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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching of the IETF.

        Title           : A YANG Data Model for MPLS Static LSPs
        Authors         : Tarek Saad
                          Kamran Raza
                          Rakesh Gandhi
                          Xufeng Liu
                          Vishnu Pavan Beeram
                          Himanshu Shah
                          Igor Bryskin
                          Xia Chen
                          Raqib Jones
                          Bin Wen
	Filename        : draft-ietf-mpls-static-yang-04.txt
	Pages           : 21
	Date            : 2017-07-02

Abstract:
   This document contains the specification for the MPLS Static Label
   Switched Paths (LSPs) YANG model.  The model allows for the
   provisioning of static LSP(s) on LER(s) and LSR(s) devices along a
   LSP path without the dependency on any signaling protocol.  The MPLS
   Static LSP model augments the MPLS base YANG model with specific data
   to configure and manage MPLS Static LSP(s).


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching of the IETF.

        Title           : A YANG Data Model for MPLS Base
        Authors         : Tarek Saad
                          Kamran Raza
                          Rakesh Gandhi
                          Xufeng Liu
                          Vishnu Pavan Beeram
                          Himanshu Shah
                          Igor Bryskin
                          Xia Chen
                          Raqib Jones
                          Bin Wen
	Filename        : draft-ietf-mpls-base-yang-05.txt
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	Date            : 2017-07-02

Abstract:
   This document contains a specification of the the MPLS base YANG
   model.  The MPLS base YANG module serves as a base framework for
   configuring and managing an MPLS switching subsystem.  It is expected
   that other MPLS technology YANG models (e.g.  MPLS LSP Static, LDP or
   RSVP-TE models) will augment the MPLS base YANG model.


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching of the IETF.

        Title           : Resilient MPLS Rings
        Authors         : Kireeti Kompella
                          Luis M. Contreras
	Filename        : draft-ietf-mpls-rmr-05.txt
	Pages           : 14
	Date            : 2017-07-03

Abstract:
   This document describes the use of the MPLS control and data planes
   on ring topologies.  It describes the special nature of rings, and
   proceeds to show how MPLS can be effectively used in such topologies.
   It describes how MPLS rings are configured, auto-discovered and
   signaled, as well as how the data plane works.  Companion documents
   describe the details of discovery and signaling for specific
   protocols.



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Final reminder!

Matt

> A clarification on this: keep in mind that the joint session is intended
> to provide a forum for raising YANG related issues or impacts that relate
> to more than one of the participating WGs (PCE, CCAMP, MPLS, and TEAS).
> Simple updates or single WG issues should be discussed in the respective
> WG session.
>=20
> Matt/Lou/Pavan
>=20
> > All,
> >
> > Once again, we'll be having a joint Yang session. This time, TEAS is
> > hosting, which means I get to organize the agenda.
> >
> > We're meeting at 13:30 - 15:30 on Thursday July 20th. Please send slot
> > requests for the TEAS session to me by the end of the day on Monday,
> > July 3rd (that's next week). Note that this is also the deadline for
> > draft submission.
> >
> > We'll need slides for presentation by Friday, July 14th so that we can
> > get them ready to present over the weekend.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Matt/Lou/Pavan


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The only IPR I am aware of is the IPR that has already been declared.

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Subject: Re: IPR poll on draft-bryant-mpls-sfl-framework

The previously disclosed IPR is all that I am aware of.

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> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:59 PM, Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com> w=
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> The only IPR I am aware of is the IPR that has already been declared.
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>> On 28/06/2017 11:35, Loa Andersson wrote:
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>> Working Group, authors,
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>> This mail starts this IPR poll.
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>> Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-bryant-mpls-sfl-framework=
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>> There are two IPR disclosures against draft-bryant-mpls-sfl-framework.
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Title: LS on OTNT Standardization Work Plan
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Body: Thank you for your review and comments on “Optical Transport Networks & Technologies Standardization Work Plan.” Attached is Issue 23, the latest version updated by the SG15 meeting in June 2017.

Editor of the document thanks you for your continued support and the information provided.

>From the previous issue (Issue 22), the document is split into two parts to separate up-to-date snapshot-type information and comprehensive database-type information.
- Part 1 provides highlights of relevant SDOs’ activity.
- Part 2 updated.

Splitting the document into the two parts is intended to make this information more useful and attractive to the potential readers. ITU-T SG15 is considering more effective way to provide the information and more efficient way to maintain and update it. For example for Part 1, setting up the template for reporting. For Part 2, automated production based on database is under consideration.
Again, any comments, not only the correction/update of the information but also the ways to provide the information are highly appreciated.
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Reviewer: Brian Carpenter
Review result: Ready

Gen-ART Last Call review of draft-ietf-mpls-rfc3107bis-02

I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area
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Document:  draft-ietf-mpls-rfc3107bis-02.txt
Reviewer: Brian Carpenter
Review Date: 2017-07-07
IETF LC End Date: 2017-07-12
IESG Telechat date: 2017-08-03

Summary: Ready
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Comment: 
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This is a very clear document, even for somebody quite
ignorant of the topic.

Nits:
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> This document also removes the unimplemented
> "Advertising Multiple Routes to a Destination" feature,...

I think it would be helpful if this said explicitly "as
specified in section 4 of RFC3107". (Not a big deal, unless
you have to edit the text for some other reason.)

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I am not aware of any IPR related to this IETF draft.

George

On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Siva Sivabalan (msiva) <msiva@cisco.com>
wrote:

>
> I am not aware of any IPR related to this IETF draft.
>
> Thanks,
> Siva
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping
> Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 09:39:08 +0200
> From: Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>
> To: mpls@ietf.org <mpls@ietf.org>
> CC: draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@ietf.org
> <draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@ietf.org>, mpls-chairs@ietf.org <
> mpls-chairs@ietf.org>, spring@ietf.org <spring@ietf.org>
>
> Working Group, authors,
>
> We have started to prepare the the draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping for
> wglc, prior to the wglc we need to do an IPR poll.
>
> This mail starts this IPR poll.
>
> Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping?
>
> If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see
> RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
>
> No IPR disclosures have been submitted directly on draft-ietf-mpls-
> spring-lsp-ping or the individual document it replaced.
>
> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
> this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.
> *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS WG mailing list.* The document
> will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from
> each author and contributor.
>
> If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or
> contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any
> IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
>
> Since this document might be of interest for the SPRING wg, it has been
> copied to the SPRING wg mailing list.
>
> /Loa
> mpls wg co-chair
> --
>
>
> Loa Andersson                        email: loa@mail01.huawei.com
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> Huawei Technologies (consultant)     phone: +46 739 81 21 64
>
> --
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I am not aware of any IPR related to this IETF draft.=
<br><br></div>George<br>
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul=
 4, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Siva Sivabalan (msiva) <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:msiva@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">msiva@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span=
> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
I am not aware of any IPR related to this IETF draft.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Siva<br>
<span class=3D"im HOEnZb"><br>
-------- Forwarded Message --------<br>
Subject: IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-<wbr>ping<br>
</span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 09:39:=
08 +0200<br>
From: Loa Andersson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:loa@pi.nu">loa@pi.nu</a>&gt;<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:mpls@ietf.org">mpls@ietf.org</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:mpls@ietf.org">mpls@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
CC: <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@ietf.org">draft-ietf-=
mpls-spring-lsp-<wbr>ping@ietf.org</a><br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@ietf.org">draft-ietf-=
mpls-spring-lsp-<wbr>ping@ietf.org</a>&gt;, <a href=3D"mailto:mpls-chairs@i=
etf.org">mpls-chairs@ietf.org</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.or=
g">mpls-chairs@ietf.org</a>&gt;, <a href=3D"mailto:spring@ietf.org">spring@=
ietf.org</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spring@ietf.org">spring@ietf.org</a>&gt;=
<br>
<br>
Working Group, authors,<br>
<br>
We have started to prepare the the draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-<wbr>ping for=
 wglc, prior to the wglc we need to do an IPR poll.<br>
<br>
This mail starts this IPR poll.<br>
<br>
Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-<wbr>pi=
ng?<br>
<br>
If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R=
FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).<br>
<br>
No IPR disclosures have been submitted directly on draft-ietf-mpls- spring-=
lsp-ping or the individual document it replaced.<br>
<br>
If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to thi=
s email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. *Th=
e response needs to be sent to the MPLS WG mailing list.* The document will=
 not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each=
 author and contributor.<br>
<br>
If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or con=
tributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR t=
hat has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.<br>
<br>
Since this document might be of interest for the SPRING wg, it has been cop=
ied to the SPRING wg mailing list.<br>
<br>
/Loa<br>
mpls wg co-chair<br>
--<br>
<br>
<br>
Loa Andersson=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 email: <a href=3D"mailto:loa@mail01.huawei.com">loa@m=
ail01.huawei.com</a><br>
Senior MPLS Expert=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"mailto:loa@pi.nu">loa@pi.nu</=
a><br>
Huawei Technologies (consultant)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0phone: <a href=3D"tel:%=
2B46%20739%2081%2021%2064" value=3D"+46739812164">+46 739 81 21 64</a><br>
<br>
--<br>
<br>
<br>
Loa Andersson=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 email: <a href=3D"mailto:loa@mail01.huawei.com">loa@m=
ail01.huawei.com</a><br>
Senior MPLS Expert=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"mailto:loa@pi.nu">loa@pi.nu</=
a><br>
Huawei Technologies (consultant)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0phone: <a href=3D"tel:%=
2B46%20739%2081%2021%2064" value=3D"+46739812164">+46 739 81 21 64</a><br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>

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The IESG has approved the following document:
- 'Shared-Ring protection (MSRP) mechanism for ring topology'
  (draft-ietf-mpls-tp-shared-ring-protection-06.txt) as Proposed
Standard

This document is the product of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working
Group.

The IESG contact persons are Alvaro Retana, Alia Atlas and Deborah
Brungard.

A URL of this Internet Draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-tp-shared-ring-protection/





Technical Summary

This document describes requirements, architecture and solutions for MPLS-TP
Shared Ring Protection (MSRP) in a ring topology for point-to-point (P2P) services. 
The MSRP mechanism is described to meet the ring protection requirements as
described in RFC 5654.  This document defines the Ring Protection Switch (RPS)
Protocol to be used for coordinating protection behavior of nodes on MPLS ring.

Working Group Summary

Support for the document in the working group is somewhat divided with a
fair number strongly supporting it and remaining participants not objecting to
it.  Progression in the working group since its adoption has been smooth.

Document Quality

There is at least one implementation. We have started an implementation
poll and will update the Write-Up once we have further information.
The review of the document has been both good and thorough.  In addition to
review by the authors and contributors through 10 revisions, the draft has been
reviewed by five non-authors, including the document shepherd.
The draft has been forwarded to ITU-T SG15 for review on several occasions (a
number of the authors and contributors are, or have been, active in SG15).  No
recent comments have been received (most ITU comments were handled prior
to adopting the draft as an MPLS Working Group Draft).

No further specialist reviews are necessary.

Personnel

   Who is the Document Shepherd for this document? Eric Gray
   Who is the Responsible Area Director?  Deborah Brungard


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Xufeng,

I see that draft-ietf-mpls-static-yang-04 was issued.  My comment is against
that version now.

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 03:44:28PM +0000, Xufeng Liu wrote:
> > I'm not conversant with common Yang tool suites, but it seems if the ordered-by
> > user rather than the default of system, then the tooling might present the
> > bottom of stack entry as the first or last node of the list rather than requiring the
> > consumer to have to run a sort of the nodes based on the id number and then
> > select the first node.
> 
> [Xufeng] Are you suggesting to use the position to order instead of the ID
> value? If so, what would be the semantics of the ID value? If we cannot
> get rid of the ID key, I don't know if using a separate ordering mechanism
> will make the usability better.

I see that you changed things to use a constrained index range with id 0
being special for top of stack.

So, if you have labels with indexes 0, 5, 10, 15, then 15 would be the
bottom of stack?

-- Jeff


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Working Groups,

This is to initiate a two week MPLS working group last call in on
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/Loa
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There four IPR disclosure (actually 3, since one of them is an update)
against this document.


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unaware of any other IPRs that those that has been disclosed

The working group adoption poll ends July 31, 2017.

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Loa,

I support adopting this draft, it=E2=80=99s an excellent enhancement of the=
 MPLS
tool set.

Cheers,
Andy


On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 6:06 AM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:

> Working Group,
>
> This is to start a two week poll on adopting draft-bryant-mpls-sfl-
> framework-05 as a MPLS working group document.
>
> Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working
> group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). Please give a technical
> motivation for your support/not support, especially if you think that
> the document should not be adopted as a working group document.
>
> There four IPR disclosure (actually 3, since one of them is an update)
> against this document.
>
>
> All the authors have stated on the MPLS wg mailing list that they are
> unaware of any other IPRs that those that has been disclosed
>
> The working group adoption poll ends July 31, 2017.
>
> /Loa
> mpls wg co-chair
> --
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>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Loa,<div><br></div><div>I support adopting this draft, it=
=E2=80=99s an excellent enhancement of the MPLS tool set.<div><br></div><di=
v>Cheers,</div><div>Andy</div><div><br></div></div></div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 6:06 AM, Lo=
a Andersson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:loa@pi.nu" target=3D"_b=
lank">loa@pi.nu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Wor=
king Group,<br>
<br>
This is to start a two week poll on adopting draft-bryant-mpls-sfl-<br>
framework-05 as a MPLS working group document.<br>
<br>
Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working<br>
group mailing list (<a href=3D"mailto:mpls@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">mpls=
@ietf.org</a>). Please give a technical<br>
motivation for your support/not support, especially if you think that<br>
the document should not be adopted as a working group document.<br>
<br>
There four IPR disclosure (actually 3, since one of them is an update)<br>
against this document.<br>
<br>
<br>
All the authors have stated on the MPLS wg mailing list that they are<br>
unaware of any other IPRs that those that has been disclosed<br>
<br>
The working group adoption poll ends July 31, 2017.<br>
<br>
/Loa<br>
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Loa,

I believe that this draft is ready for publication.

Cheers,
Andy


On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 5:35 AM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:

> Working Groups,
>
> This is to initiate a two week MPLS working group last call in on
> draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping-03.
>
> Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org).
>
> There are no IPR disclosures against this document.
>
> All the authors and contributors have stated on the working group
> mailing list that they are not aware of any other IPRs that relates
> to this document.
>
> As usual when a wglc is across an IETF week we do not count that week,
> this working group last call therefore ends August 1, 2017.
>
>
> /Loa
> MPLS wg co-chairs
>
> PS
>
> I was a bit trigger happy and started this wglc with an ambiguous
> subjet. Please use this mail when you are responding to the wglc.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Loa,<div><br></div><div>I believe that this draft is ready=
 for publication.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Andy</di=
v><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote">On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 5:35 AM, Loa Andersson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:loa@pi.nu" target=3D"_blank">loa@pi.nu</a>&gt;</span> wro=
te:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-=
left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Working Groups,<br>
<br>
This is to initiate a two week MPLS working group last call in on<br>
draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-pin<wbr>g-03.<br>
<br>
Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (<a href=3D"mailto:mp=
ls@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">mpls@ietf.org</a>).<br>
<br>
There are no IPR disclosures against this document.<br>
<br>
All the authors and contributors have stated on the working group<br>
mailing list that they are not aware of any other IPRs that relates<br>
to this document.<br>
<br>
As usual when a wglc is across an IETF week we do not count that week,<br>
this working group last call therefore ends August 1, 2017.<br>
<br>
<br>
/Loa<br>
MPLS wg co-chairs<br>
<br>
PS<br>
<br>
I was a bit trigger happy and started this wglc with an ambiguous<br>
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Reviewer: Carlos Pignataro
Review result: Has Issues

Hello

I have been selected to do a routing directorate “early” review of this draft.
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed/

The routing directorate will, on request from the working group chair, perform
an “early” review of a draft before it is submitted for publication to the
IESG. The early review can be performed at any time during the draft’s lifetime
as a working group document. The purpose of the early review depends on the
stage that the document has reached.

The MPLS chairs have requested an early review from the directorate with the
objective of improving document quality.  This document has had three
unsuccessful WG LCs.

For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see
​http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir

Document: draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed-07.txt
Reviewer: Carlos Pignataro
Review Date: Early July, 2017
Intended Status: Standards Track

Summary:
I have significant concerns about this document.
I also recommend a BFD WG Chair or appointee to review this document.

Comments:

First, I have a general concern about the architectural approach in this
document.

This document is modeled after RFC 7110. RFC 7110 describes the specification
of a return path for MPLS LSP Ping. MPLS LSP Ping uses a request/reply
command/response paradigm, in which receipt of an Echo Request elicits the
generation of an Echo Reply.

BFD for MPLS, however, uses a different approach and paradigm (as per RFC
5884). An MPLS LSP Ping packet is used as a bootstrap, signaling discriminator
value for a persistent BFD session. After the MPLS LSP Ping signals the
Discriminator (via MPLS LSP Ping TLV) to use, then BFD control messages are
sent back and forth.

However, while the BFD session is UP and  BFD control messages and being sent
back and forth, and while no MPLS LSP Ping packets are sent after bootstrapping
-- what happens if the return path changes (e.g., the return LSP goes down,
gets unconfigured, etc.)?

In that case, not only this mechanism can actually make things worst, because
it results in a false negative, but also the document does not specify how the
system should recover. The I-D seems to assume complete topological
invariability for it to work long-term, since it does not specify any mechanism
to update or to deal with such a failure or change scenario.

On the other hand, there is already a BFD mechanism without the bootstrapping
setup and with a command/response like behavior, that is S-BFD, RFC 7881. That
one is notably missing from this draft.

Further, there seem to be a number of potentially erroneous assumptions made,
see below.

Additional Comments:

     Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) Directed Return Path

The title should include that this is *only* for MPLS BFD.

   When a BFD session monitors an explicitly routed unidirectional path
   there may be a need to direct egress BFD peer to use a specific path
   for the reverse direction of the BFD session.

Scope: is this solution targeted only for "explicitly routed unidirectional
path", and the solution to have the reply come back the exact reverse
direction? That does not seem to be the case and the solution.

   [RFC5880], [RFC5881], and [RFC5883] established the BFD protocol for
   IP networks.  [RFC5884] and [RFC7726] set rules of using BFD
   asynchronous mode over IP/MPLS LSPs.  These standards implicitly
   assume that the egress BFD peer will use the shortest path route
   regardless of route being used to send BFD control packets towards
   it.

Is "These standards" referring to the three former or the four latter?

   For the case where a LSP is explicitly routed it is likely that the
   shortest return path to the ingress BFD peer would not follow the
   same path as the LSP in the forward direction.  The fact that BFD
   control packets are not guaranteed to follow the same links and nodes
   in both forward and reverse directions is a significant factor in
   producing false positive defect notifications, i.e. false alarms, if
   used by the ingress BFD peer to deduce the state of the forward
   direction.

There may be an implicit mis-assumption in this text and overall approach: the
fact that traffic flows on one direction does not imply that the reverse
direction using the same interfaces and nodes would actually be consequently
properly programmed and working.

   This document defines the BFD Reverse Path TLV as an extension to LSP
   Ping [RFC8029] and proposes that it is to be used to instruct the
   egress BFD peer to use an explicit path for its BFD control packets
   associated with a particular BFD session.

This text assumes that the BFD return path is MPLS. However, my understanding
from RFC 5884 is that this is not necessarily the case, and the return can be
IP.

   When BFD is used to monitor unidirectional explicitly routed path,
   e.g.  MPLS-TE LSP, BFD control packets in forward direction would be
   in-band using the mechanism defined in [RFC5884] and [RFC5586].

Which BFD uses RFC 5586? RFC5586 says that is not needed:

   "Some of these functions can be supported using existing
   tools such as Virtual Circuit Connectivity Verification (VCCV)
   [RFC5085], Bidirectional Forwarding Detection for MPLS LSPs (BFD-
   MPLS) [BFD-MPLS], LSP-Ping [RFC4379], or BFD-VCCV [BFD-VCCV]."

And then:

   o  a failure detection by ingress node on the reverse path cannot be
      interpreted as bi-directional failure unambiguously and thus
      trigger, for example, protection switchover of the forward
      direction without possibility of being a false positive.

   To address this scenario the egress BFD peer would be instructed to
   use a specific path for BFD control packets.

But using a specific path for return cannot either imply "interpreted as
bi-directional failure unambiguously", so the scenario is not *addressed*.

   The BFD Reverse Path TLV carries information about the path onto
   which the egress BFD peer of the BFD session referenced by the BFD
   Discriminator TLV MUST transmit BFD control packets.  The format of
   the BFD Reverse Path TLV is as presented in Figure 1.

What does the remote endpoint do with that "MUST" if the return FEC goes away?

There also seem to be some self-contradiction. This document says:

   LSP ping, defined in [RFC8029], uses BFD Discriminator TLV [RFC5884]
   to bootstrap a BFD session over an MPLS LSP.  This document defines a
   new TLV, BFD Reverse Path TLV, that MUST contain a single sub-TLV
   that can be used to carry information about the reverse path for the
   BFD session that is specified by value in BFD Discriminator TLV.

And then says:

   Reverse Path field contains a sub-TLV.

But then says:

   None, one or more sub-TLVs MAY be included in the BFD Reverse
   Path TLV.  If none sub-TLVs found in the BFD Reverse Path TLV, the
   egress BFD peer MUST revert to using the default, i.e., over IP
   network, reverse path.

So is it only one, or none/one/multiple?

I believe it needs to be multiple since then a Tunnel can be specified. But the
document as-is seems self-contradicting.

Further, where has that "default" been defined as "over IP network"?

There's another contradiction here:

   If the egress LSR cannot find the path specified in the Reverse Path
   TLV it MUST send Echo Reply with the received Reverse Path TLV and
   set the Return Code to "Failed to establish the BFD session.  The
   specified reverse path was not found" Section 3.3.  The egress BFD
   peer MAY establish the BFD session over IP network as defined in
   [RFC5884].

So the response is "Failed to establish the BFD session." But then it MAY
establish the session? And, again, what if the path is found at bootstrap but
lost afterwards?

4.  Use Case Scenario

The fact that A-B-C-D-G-H works does not mean that the reverse, H-G-D-C-B-A,
will work.

6.  Security Considerations

   Security considerations discussed in [RFC5880], [RFC5884], [RFC7726],
   and [RFC8029], apply to this document.

There seem to be additional security considerations with returns taking
explicit paths, and should be expanded in here.

Net-net, I do have concerns about this document. I believe it is not ready to
advance, and could use more whiteboard time as well as a review by BFD experts.

Best,

Carlos Pignataro.


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All,

A reminder for folks presenting in the joint yang session in Prague: please=
 send slides by the end of Friday so that we can get them posted well in ad=
vance.

The agenda is at https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/99/agenda/teas/ (seco=
nd session).

Cheers

Matt/Lou/Pavan


> All,
>=20
> Once again, we'll be having a joint Yang session. This time, TEAS is
> hosting, which means I get to organize the agenda.
>=20
> We're meeting at 13:30 - 15:30 on Thursday July 20th. Please send slot
> requests for the TEAS session to me by the end of the day on Monday, July
> 3rd (that's next week). Note that this is also the deadline for draft
> submission.
>=20
> We'll need slides for presentation by Friday, July 14th so that we can ge=
t
> them ready to present over the weekend.
>=20
> Cheers
>=20
> Matt/Lou/Pavan


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Yes/support 

Regards,
Jeff

> On Jul 11, 2017, at 03:06, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:
> 
> Working Group,
> 
> This is to start a two week poll on adopting draft-bryant-mpls-sfl-
> framework-05 as a MPLS working group document.
> 
> Please send your comments (support/not support) to the mpls working
> group mailing list (mpls@ietf.org). Please give a technical
> motivation for your support/not support, especially if you think that
> the document should not be adopted as a working group document.
> 
> There four IPR disclosure (actually 3, since one of them is an update)
> against this document.
> 
> 
> All the authors have stated on the MPLS wg mailing list that they are
> unaware of any other IPRs that those that has been disclosed
> 
> The working group adoption poll ends July 31, 2017.
> 
> /Loa
> mpls wg co-chair
> -- 
> 
> 
> Loa Andersson                        email: loa@mail01.huawei.com
> Senior MPLS Expert                          loa@pi.nu
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Dear Carlos,
thank you for sharing your detailed comments to the draft. Please find
response in-line and tagged GIM>>.

Regards,
Greg

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 6:59 AM, Carlos Pignataro <cpignata@cisco.com>
wrote:

> Reviewer: Carlos Pignataro
> Review result: Has Issues
>
> Hello
>
> I have been selected to do a routing directorate =E2=80=9Cearly=E2=80=9D =
review of this
> draft.
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed/
>
> The routing directorate will, on request from the working group chair,
> perform
> an =E2=80=9Cearly=E2=80=9D review of a draft before it is submitted for p=
ublication to the
> IESG. The early review can be performed at any time during the draft=E2=
=80=99s
> lifetime
> as a working group document. The purpose of the early review depends on t=
he
> stage that the document has reached.
>
> The MPLS chairs have requested an early review from the directorate with
> the
> objective of improving document quality.  This document has had three
> unsuccessful WG LCs.
>
> For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see
> =E2=80=8Bhttp://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir
>
> Document: draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed-07.txt
> Reviewer: Carlos Pignataro
> Review Date: Early July, 2017
> Intended Status: Standards Track
>
> Summary:
> I have significant concerns about this document.
> I also recommend a BFD WG Chair or appointee to review this document.
>
> Comments:
>
> First, I have a general concern about the architectural approach in this
> document.
>
> This document is modeled after RFC 7110. RFC 7110 describes the
> specification
> of a return path for MPLS LSP Ping. MPLS LSP Ping uses a request/reply
> command/response paradigm, in which receipt of an Echo Request elicits th=
e
> generation of an Echo Reply.
>
> BFD for MPLS, however, uses a different approach and paradigm (as per RFC
> 5884). An MPLS LSP Ping packet is used as a bootstrap, signaling
> discriminator
> value for a persistent BFD session. After the MPLS LSP Ping signals the
> Discriminator (via MPLS LSP Ping TLV) to use, then BFD control messages a=
re
> sent back and forth.
>
> However, while the BFD session is UP and  BFD control messages and being
> sent
> back and forth, and while no MPLS LSP Ping packets are sent after
> bootstrapping
> -- what happens if the return path changes (e.g., the return LSP goes dow=
n,
> gets unconfigured, etc.)?
>

GIM>> Proposed in the draft mechanism to direct the reverse direction of
the BFD session onto specific MPLS LSP effectively puts the reverse
direction in the same environment as the forward direction of the BFD
session. What happens to the forward direction of the BFD session over MPLS
LSP if the LSP goes down? That must be detected as LSP failure and clients
of the BFD session, I'd expect, will be notified (that is rather outside of
BFD RFCs but we understand why and how proactive OAM is used). If the LSP
gets unconfigured before the BFD session, then, I assume, that will be
detected as LSP failure too. I think that these are very fundamental
scenarios but they are not discussed in RFC 5884 either.

In that case, not only this mechanism can actually make things worst,
> because
> it results in a false negative, but also the document does not specify ho=
w
> the
> system should recover. The I-D seems to assume complete topological
> invariability for it to work long-term, since it does not specify any
> mechanism
> to update or to deal with such a failure or change scenario.
>
GIM>> I disagree with your conclusion that  the draft does not include
mechanism to switch the reverse path of the BFD session in Up state.
Firstly, the BFD Reverse Path TLV MAY be included in LSP Ping at any moment
in time, not only when bootstrapping BFD session. Secondly, the draft
states that if BFD Reverse Path TLV contains none sub-TLVs, then the
reverse path MUST be switched to IP network, which is the default behavior
per RFC 5884.

>
> On the other hand, there is already a BFD mechanism without the
> bootstrapping
> setup and with a command/response like behavior, that is S-BFD, RFC 7881.
> That
> one is notably missing from this draft.
>
GIM>> Frankly, I fail to find relevance of S-BFD to the proposed mechanism.
But if you insist on discussing S-BFD, then I see that its echo-like
mechanism that does not create state on the far end of S-BFD session rather
complicates potential mechanism to control the return path.

>
> Further, there seem to be a number of potentially erroneous assumptions
> made,
> see below.
>
> Additional Comments:
>
>      Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) Directed Return Path
>
> The title should include that this is *only* for MPLS BFD.
>
GIM>> Accept this editorial change.

>
>    When a BFD session monitors an explicitly routed unidirectional path
>    there may be a need to direct egress BFD peer to use a specific path
>    for the reverse direction of the BFD session.
>
> Scope: is this solution targeted only for "explicitly routed unidirection=
al
> path", and the solution to have the reply come back the exact reverse
> direction? That does not seem to be the case and the solution.
>
GIM>> The mechanism is applicable to BFD over MPLS LSP. The quote
emphasizes one of use cases. Will prepend it , "without loss of generality
..." in the next version.

>
>    [RFC5880], [RFC5881], and [RFC5883] established the BFD protocol for
>    IP networks.  [RFC5884] and [RFC7726] set rules of using BFD
>    asynchronous mode over IP/MPLS LSPs.  These standards implicitly
>    assume that the egress BFD peer will use the shortest path route
>    regardless of route being used to send BFD control packets towards
>    it.
>
> Is "These standards" referring to the three former or the four latter?
>
GIM>> Thank you for pointing to the ambiguity. The reference to the latter
two. Will clarify in the next version.

>
>    For the case where a LSP is explicitly routed it is likely that the
>    shortest return path to the ingress BFD peer would not follow the
>    same path as the LSP in the forward direction.  The fact that BFD
>    control packets are not guaranteed to follow the same links and nodes
>    in both forward and reverse directions is a significant factor in
>    producing false positive defect notifications, i.e. false alarms, if
>    used by the ingress BFD peer to deduce the state of the forward
>    direction.
>
> There may be an implicit mis-assumption in this text and overall approach=
:
> the
> fact that traffic flows on one direction does not imply that the reverse
> direction using the same interfaces and nodes would actually be
> consequently
> properly programmed and working.
>
GIM>> The proposed mechanism is optional and, of course, it has been
assumed that the operator will verify availability and liveliness of the
LSP to be used for the reverse direction of the given BFD session.

>
>    This document defines the BFD Reverse Path TLV as an extension to LSP
>    Ping [RFC8029] and proposes that it is to be used to instruct the
>    egress BFD peer to use an explicit path for its BFD control packets
>    associated with a particular BFD session.
>
> This text assumes that the BFD return path is MPLS. However, my
> understanding
> from RFC 5884 is that this is not necessarily the case, and the return ca=
n
> be
> IP.
>
GIM>> You're absolutely correct in interpretation of RFC 5884, the reverse
direction of BFD session over MPLS LSP is always over IP. The proposed
mechanism provides option to change the default reverse path if and when
network operator sees that beneficial.

>
>    When BFD is used to monitor unidirectional explicitly routed path,
>    e.g.  MPLS-TE LSP, BFD control packets in forward direction would be
>    in-band using the mechanism defined in [RFC5884] and [RFC5586].
>
> Which BFD uses RFC 5586? RFC5586 says that is not needed:
>
GIM>> Can you please clarify what is not needed according to RFC 5586? LSP
Ping? BFD over MPLS-TP LSP?

>
>    "Some of these functions can be supported using existing
>    tools such as Virtual Circuit Connectivity Verification (VCCV)
>    [RFC5085], Bidirectional Forwarding Detection for MPLS LSPs (BFD-
>    MPLS) [BFD-MPLS], LSP-Ping [RFC4379], or BFD-VCCV [BFD-VCCV]."
>
> And then:
>
>    o  a failure detection by ingress node on the reverse path cannot be
>       interpreted as bi-directional failure unambiguously and thus
>       trigger, for example, protection switchover of the forward
>       direction without possibility of being a false positive.
>
>    To address this scenario the egress BFD peer would be instructed to
>    use a specific path for BFD control packets.
>
> But using a specific path for return cannot either imply "interpreted as
> bi-directional failure unambiguously", so the scenario is not *addressed*=
.
>
GIM>> The proposed mechanism to control the reverse path of the BFD session
may improve determinism of defect detection in certain use cases.

>
>    The BFD Reverse Path TLV carries information about the path onto
>    which the egress BFD peer of the BFD session referenced by the BFD
>    Discriminator TLV MUST transmit BFD control packets.  The format of
>    the BFD Reverse Path TLV is as presented in Figure 1.
>
> What does the remote endpoint do with that "MUST" if the return FEC goes
> away?
>
GIM>> Please see my response to the very first question. This is the same
situation as for the ingress LER per RFC 5884.

>
> There also seem to be some self-contradiction. This document says:
>
>    LSP ping, defined in [RFC8029], uses BFD Discriminator TLV [RFC5884]
>    to bootstrap a BFD session over an MPLS LSP.  This document defines a
>    new TLV, BFD Reverse Path TLV, that MUST contain a single sub-TLV
>    that can be used to carry information about the reverse path for the
>    BFD session that is specified by value in BFD Discriminator TLV.
>
> And then says:
>
>    Reverse Path field contains a sub-TLV.
>
> But then says:
>
>    None, one or more sub-TLVs MAY be included in the BFD Reverse
>    Path TLV.  If none sub-TLVs found in the BFD Reverse Path TLV, the
>    egress BFD peer MUST revert to using the default, i.e., over IP
>    network, reverse path.
>
> So is it only one, or none/one/multiple?
>
GIM>> Thank you for pointing to this. In the next version will change to
explicitly state:

Reverse Path field contains none, one or more sub-TLVs.


> I believe it needs to be multiple since then a Tunnel can be specified.
> But the
> document as-is seems self-contradicting.
>
> Further, where has that "default" been defined as "over IP network"?
>
GIM>> As per RFC 5884, the BFD control packets in reverse direction of the
BFD over MPLS LSP session are sent over IP.

>
> There's another contradiction here:
>
>    If the egress LSR cannot find the path specified in the Reverse Path
>    TLV it MUST send Echo Reply with the received Reverse Path TLV and
>    set the Return Code to "Failed to establish the BFD session.  The
>    specified reverse path was not found" Section 3.3.  The egress BFD
>    peer MAY establish the BFD session over IP network as defined in
>    [RFC5884].
>
> So the response is "Failed to establish the BFD session." But then it MAY
> establish the session? And, again, what if the path is found at bootstrap
> but
> lost afterwards?
>
GIM>> Please see the response to the first question.

>
> 4.  Use Case Scenario
>
> The fact that A-B-C-D-G-H works does not mean that the reverse,
> H-G-D-C-B-A,
> will work.
>
> 6.  Security Considerations
>
>    Security considerations discussed in [RFC5880], [RFC5884], [RFC7726],
>    and [RFC8029], apply to this document.
>
> There seem to be additional security considerations with returns taking
> explicit paths, and should be expanded in here.
>
> Net-net, I do have concerns about this document. I believe it is not read=
y
> to
> advance, and could use more whiteboard time as well as a review by BFD
> experts.
>
> Best,
>
> Carlos Pignataro.
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Dear Carlos,<div>thank you for sharing your detailed comme=
nts to the draft. Please find response in-line and tagged GIM&gt;&gt;.</div=
><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Greg</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra=
"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 6:59 AM, Carlos Pi=
gnataro <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cpignata@cisco.com" target=
=3D"_blank">cpignata@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">Reviewer: Carlos Pignataro<br>
Review result: Has Issues<br>
<br>
Hello<br>
<br>
I have been selected to do a routing directorate =E2=80=9Cearly=E2=80=9D re=
view of this draft.<br>
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed/" =
rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/<wbr>doc/=
draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-<wbr>directed/</a><br>
<br>
The routing directorate will, on request from the working group chair, perf=
orm<br>
an =E2=80=9Cearly=E2=80=9D review of a draft before it is submitted for pub=
lication to the<br>
IESG. The early review can be performed at any time during the draft=E2=80=
=99s lifetime<br>
as a working group document. The purpose of the early review depends on the=
<br>
stage that the document has reached.<br>
<br>
The MPLS chairs have requested an early review from the directorate with th=
e<br>
objective of improving document quality.=C2=A0 This document has had three<=
br>
unsuccessful WG LCs.<br>
<br>
For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see<br>
=E2=80=8B<a href=3D"http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir" r=
el=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://trac.tools.ietf.org/<wbr>area/rt=
g/trac/wiki/RtgDir</a><br>
<br>
Document: draft-ietf-mpls-bfd-directed-<wbr>07.txt<br>
Reviewer: Carlos Pignataro<br>
Review Date: Early July, 2017<br>
Intended Status: Standards Track<br>
<br>
Summary:<br>
I have significant concerns about this document.<br>
I also recommend a BFD WG Chair or appointee to review this document.<br>
<br>
Comments:<br>
<br>
First, I have a general concern about the architectural approach in this<br=
>
document.<br>
<br>
This document is modeled after RFC 7110. RFC 7110 describes the specificati=
on<br>
of a return path for MPLS LSP Ping. MPLS LSP Ping uses a request/reply<br>
command/response paradigm, in which receipt of an Echo Request elicits the<=
br>
generation of an Echo Reply.<br>
<br>
BFD for MPLS, however, uses a different approach and paradigm (as per RFC<b=
r>
5884). An MPLS LSP Ping packet is used as a bootstrap, signaling discrimina=
tor<br>
value for a persistent BFD session. After the MPLS LSP Ping signals the<br>
Discriminator (via MPLS LSP Ping TLV) to use, then BFD control messages are=
<br>
sent back and forth.<br>
<br>
However, while the BFD session is UP and=C2=A0 BFD control messages and bei=
ng sent<br>
back and forth, and while no MPLS LSP Ping packets are sent after bootstrap=
ping<br>
-- what happens if the return path changes (e.g., the return LSP goes down,=
<br>
gets unconfigured, etc.)?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>GIM&gt;&gt; P=
roposed in the draft mechanism to direct the reverse direction of the BFD s=
ession onto specific MPLS LSP effectively puts the reverse direction in the=
 same environment as the forward direction of the BFD session. What happens=
 to the forward direction of the BFD session over MPLS LSP if the LSP goes =
down? That must be detected as LSP failure and clients of the BFD session, =
I&#39;d expect, will be notified (that is rather outside of BFD RFCs but we=
 understand why and how proactive OAM is used). If the LSP gets unconfigure=
d before the BFD session, then, I assume, that will be detected as LSP fail=
ure too. I think that these are very fundamental scenarios but they are not=
 discussed in RFC 5884 either.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-lef=
t:1ex">
In that case, not only this mechanism can actually make things worst, becau=
se<br>
it results in a false negative, but also the document does not specify how =
the<br>
system should recover. The I-D seems to assume complete topological<br>
invariability for it to work long-term, since it does not specify any mecha=
nism<br>
to update or to deal with such a failure or change scenario.<br></blockquot=
e><div>GIM&gt;&gt; I disagree with your conclusion that =C2=A0the draft doe=
s not include mechanism to switch the reverse path of the BFD session in Up=
 state. Firstly, the BFD Reverse Path TLV MAY be included in LSP Ping at an=
y moment in time, not only when bootstrapping BFD session. Secondly, the dr=
aft states that if BFD Reverse Path TLV contains none sub-TLVs, then the re=
verse path MUST be switched to IP network, which is the default behavior pe=
r RFC 5884.</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
On the other hand, there is already a BFD mechanism without the bootstrappi=
ng<br>
setup and with a command/response like behavior, that is S-BFD, RFC 7881. T=
hat<br>
one is notably missing from this draft.<br></blockquote><div>GIM&gt;&gt; Fr=
ankly, I fail to find relevance of S-BFD to the proposed mechanism. But if =
you insist on discussing S-BFD, then I see that its echo-like mechanism tha=
t does not create state on the far end of S-BFD session rather complicates =
potential mechanism to control the return path.</div><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex">
<br>
Further, there seem to be a number of potentially erroneous assumptions mad=
e,<br>
see below.<br>
<br>
Additional Comments:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) Directed Retur=
n Path<br>
<br>
The title should include that this is *only* for MPLS BFD.<br></blockquote>=
<div>GIM&gt;&gt; Accept this editorial change.=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0When a BFD session monitors an explicitly routed unidirectiona=
l path<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0there may be a need to direct egress BFD peer to use a specifi=
c path<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0for the reverse direction of the BFD session.<br>
<br>
Scope: is this solution targeted only for &quot;explicitly routed unidirect=
ional<br>
path&quot;, and the solution to have the reply come back the exact reverse<=
br>
direction? That does not seem to be the case and the solution.<br></blockqu=
ote><div>GIM&gt;&gt; The mechanism is applicable to BFD over MPLS LSP. The =
quote emphasizes one of use cases. Will prepend it , &quot;without loss of =
generality ...&quot; in the next version.</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e=
x">
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0[RFC5880], [RFC5881], and [RFC5883] established the BFD protoc=
ol for<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0IP networks.=C2=A0 [RFC5884] and [RFC7726] set rules of using =
BFD<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0asynchronous mode over IP/MPLS LSPs.=C2=A0 These standards imp=
licitly<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0assume that the egress BFD peer will use the shortest path rou=
te<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0regardless of route being used to send BFD control packets tow=
ards<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0it.<br>
<br>
Is &quot;These standards&quot; referring to the three former or the four la=
tter?<br></blockquote><div>GIM&gt;&gt; Thank you for pointing to the ambigu=
ity. The reference to the latter two. Will clarify in the next version.=C2=
=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0For the case where a LSP is explicitly routed it is likely tha=
t the<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0shortest return path to the ingress BFD peer would not follow =
the<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0same path as the LSP in the forward direction.=C2=A0 The fact =
that BFD<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0control packets are not guaranteed to follow the same links an=
d nodes<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0in both forward and reverse directions is a significant factor=
 in<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0producing false positive defect notifications, i.e. false alar=
ms, if<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0used by the ingress BFD peer to deduce the state of the forwar=
d<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0direction.<br>
<br>
There may be an implicit mis-assumption in this text and overall approach: =
the<br>
fact that traffic flows on one direction does not imply that the reverse<br=
>
direction using the same interfaces and nodes would actually be consequentl=
y<br>
properly programmed and working.<br></blockquote><div>GIM&gt;&gt; The propo=
sed mechanism is optional and, of course, it has been assumed that the oper=
ator will verify availability and liveliness of the LSP to be used for the =
reverse direction of the given BFD session. =C2=A0</div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document defines the BFD Reverse Path TLV as an extension=
 to LSP<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Ping [RFC8029] and proposes that it is to be used to instruct =
the<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0egress BFD peer to use an explicit path for its BFD control pa=
ckets<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0associated with a particular BFD session.<br>
<br>
This text assumes that the BFD return path is MPLS. However, my understandi=
ng<br>
from RFC 5884 is that this is not necessarily the case, and the return can =
be<br>
IP.<br></blockquote><div>GIM&gt;&gt; You&#39;re absolutely correct in inter=
pretation of RFC 5884, the reverse direction of BFD session over MPLS LSP i=
s always over IP. The proposed mechanism provides option to change the defa=
ult reverse path if and when network operator sees that beneficial.=C2=A0</=
div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-lef=
t:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0When BFD is used to monitor unidirectional explicitly routed p=
ath,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0e.g.=C2=A0 MPLS-TE LSP, BFD control packets in forward directi=
on would be<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0in-band using the mechanism defined in [RFC5884] and [RFC5586]=
.<br>
<br>
Which BFD uses RFC 5586? RFC5586 says that is not needed:<br></blockquote><=
div>GIM&gt;&gt; Can you please clarify what is not needed according to RFC =
5586? LSP Ping? BFD over MPLS-TP LSP?=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:=
1ex">
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0&quot;Some of these functions can be supported using existing<=
br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0tools such as Virtual Circuit Connectivity Verification (VCCV)=
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0[RFC5085], Bidirectional Forwarding Detection for MPLS LSPs (B=
FD-<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0MPLS) [BFD-MPLS], LSP-Ping [RFC4379], or BFD-VCCV [BFD-VCCV].&=
quot;<br>
<br>
And then:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 a failure detection by ingress node on the reverse pat=
h cannot be<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 interpreted as bi-directional failure unambiguously an=
d thus<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 trigger, for example, protection switchover of the for=
ward<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 direction without possibility of being a false positiv=
e.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0To address this scenario the egress BFD peer would be instruct=
ed to<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0use a specific path for BFD control packets.<br>
<br>
But using a specific path for return cannot either imply &quot;interpreted =
as<br>
bi-directional failure unambiguously&quot;, so the scenario is not *address=
ed*.<br></blockquote><div>GIM&gt;&gt; The proposed mechanism to control the=
 reverse path of the BFD session may improve determinism of defect detectio=
n in certain use cases.</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The BFD Reverse Path TLV carries information about the path on=
to<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0which the egress BFD peer of the BFD session referenced by the=
 BFD<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Discriminator TLV MUST transmit BFD control packets.=C2=A0 The=
 format of<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the BFD Reverse Path TLV is as presented in Figure 1.<br>
<br>
What does the remote endpoint do with that &quot;MUST&quot; if the return F=
EC goes away?<br></blockquote><div>GIM&gt;&gt; Please see my response to th=
e very first question. This is the same situation as for the ingress LER pe=
r RFC 5884.=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 =
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
There also seem to be some self-contradiction. This document says:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0LSP ping, defined in [RFC8029], uses BFD Discriminator TLV [RF=
C5884]<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0to bootstrap a BFD session over an MPLS LSP.=C2=A0 This docume=
nt defines a<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0new TLV, BFD Reverse Path TLV, that MUST contain a single sub-=
TLV<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0that can be used to carry information about the reverse path f=
or the<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0BFD session that is specified by value in BFD Discriminator TL=
V.<br>
<br>
And then says:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Reverse Path field contains a sub-TLV.<br>
<br>
But then says:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0None, one or more sub-TLVs MAY be included in the BFD Reverse<=
br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Path TLV.=C2=A0 If none sub-TLVs found in the BFD Reverse Path=
 TLV, the<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0egress BFD peer MUST revert to using the default, i.e., over I=
P<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0network, reverse path.<br>
<br>
So is it only one, or none/one/multiple?<br></blockquote><div>GIM&gt;&gt; T=
hank you for pointing to this. In the next version will change to explicitl=
y state:</div></div></div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 40px;border:non=
e;padding:0px"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>R=
everse Path field contains none, one or more sub-TLVs.</div></div></div></b=
lockquote><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc soli=
d;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
I believe it needs to be multiple since then a Tunnel can be specified. But=
 the<br>
document as-is seems self-contradicting.<br>
<br>
Further, where has that &quot;default&quot; been defined as &quot;over IP n=
etwork&quot;?<br></blockquote><div>GIM&gt;&gt; As per RFC 5884, the BFD con=
trol packets in reverse direction of the BFD over MPLS LSP session are sent=
 over IP.</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
There&#39;s another contradiction here:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0If the egress LSR cannot find the path specified in the Revers=
e Path<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0TLV it MUST send Echo Reply with the received Reverse Path TLV=
 and<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0set the Return Code to &quot;Failed to establish the BFD sessi=
on.=C2=A0 The<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0specified reverse path was not found&quot; Section 3.3.=C2=A0 =
The egress BFD<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0peer MAY establish the BFD session over IP network as defined =
in<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0[RFC5884].<br>
<br>
So the response is &quot;Failed to establish the BFD session.&quot; But the=
n it MAY<br>
establish the session? And, again, what if the path is found at bootstrap b=
ut<br>
lost afterwards?<br></blockquote><div>GIM&gt;&gt; Please see the response t=
o the first question.=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
4.=C2=A0 Use Case Scenario<br>
<br>
The fact that A-B-C-D-G-H works does not mean that the reverse, H-G-D-C-B-A=
,<br>
will work.<br>
<br>
6.=C2=A0 Security Considerations<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Security considerations discussed in [RFC5880], [RFC5884], [RF=
C7726],<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and [RFC8029], apply to this document.<br>
<br>
There seem to be additional security considerations with returns taking<br>
explicit paths, and should be expanded in here.<br>
<br>
Net-net, I do have concerns about this document. I believe it is not ready =
to<br>
advance, and could use more whiteboard time as well as a review by BFD expe=
rts.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Carlos Pignataro.<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br></div></div>

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Support as co-author.

Sri

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar) <
naikumar@cisco.com> wrote:

> Support as co-author.
>
> Thanks,
> Nagendra
>
> On 7/11/17, 5:35 AM, "Loa Andersson" <loa@pi.nu> wrote:
>
>     Working Groups,
>
>     This is to initiate a two week MPLS working group last call in on
>     draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping-03.
>
>     Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org).
>
>     There are no IPR disclosures against this document.
>
>     All the authors and contributors have stated on the working group
>     mailing list that they are not aware of any other IPRs that relates
>     to this document.
>
>     As usual when a wglc is across an IETF week we do not count that week,
>     this working group last call therefore ends August 1, 2017.
>
>
>     /Loa
>     MPLS wg co-chairs
>
>     PS
>
>     I was a bit trigger happy and started this wglc with an ambiguous
>     subjet. Please use this mail when you are responding to the wglc.
>     --
>
>
>     Loa Andersson                        email: loa@mail01.huawei.com
>     Senior MPLS Expert                          loa@pi.nu
>     Huawei Technologies (consultant)     phone: +46 739 81 21 64
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Support as co-author.<div><br></div><div>Sri</div></div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 12, 201=
7 at 12:07 PM, Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar) <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:naikumar@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">naikumar@cisco.com</a>&g=
t;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Support as co-author.<br=
>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Nagendra<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
On 7/11/17, 5:35 AM, &quot;Loa Andersson&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:loa@pi=
.nu">loa@pi.nu</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Working Groups,<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This is to initiate a two week MPLS working group last call i=
n on<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-<wbr>ping-03.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:mpls@ietf.org">mpls@ietf.org</a>).<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 There are no IPR disclosures against this document.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 All the authors and contributors have stated on the working g=
roup<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 mailing list that they are not aware of any other IPRs that r=
elates<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 to this document.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 As usual when a wglc is across an IETF week we do not count t=
hat week,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 this working group last call therefore ends August 1, 2017.<b=
r>
<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 /Loa<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 MPLS wg co-chairs<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 PS<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I was a bit trigger happy and started this wglc with an ambig=
uous<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 subjet. Please use this mail when you are responding to the w=
glc.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 --<br>
<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Loa Andersson=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 email: <a href=3D"mailto:loa@mail01.hua=
wei.com">loa@mail01.huawei.com</a><br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Senior MPLS Expert=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"mailto:loa@pi.n=
u">loa@pi.nu</a><br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Huawei Technologies (consultant)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0phone: <a=
 href=3D"tel:%2B46%20739%2081%2021%2064" value=3D"+46739812164">+46 739 81 =
21 64</a><br>
<br>
<br>
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I support this document as a contributor.

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Support as co-author.

Thanks,
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On 7/11/17, 5:35 AM, "Loa Andersson" <loa@pi.nu> wrote:

    Working Groups,
   =20
    This is to initiate a two week MPLS working group last call in on
    draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping-03.
   =20
    Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org).
   =20
    There are no IPR disclosures against this document.
   =20
    All the authors and contributors have stated on the working group
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    to this document.
   =20
    As usual when a wglc is across an IETF week we do not count that week,
    this working group last call therefore ends August 1, 2017.
   =20
   =20
    /Loa
    MPLS wg co-chairs
   =20
    PS
   =20
    I was a bit trigger happy and started this wglc with an ambiguous
    subjet. Please use this mail when you are responding to the wglc.
    --=20
   =20
   =20
    Loa Andersson                        email: loa@mail01.huawei.com
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Hi Loa,
I've read, reviewed the draft and believe it is ready for publication.

Regards,
Greg

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 2:35 AM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:

> Working Groups,
>
> This is to initiate a two week MPLS working group last call in on
> draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping-03.
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> Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org).
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> this working group last call therefore ends August 1, 2017.
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>
> /Loa
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> I was a bit trigger happy and started this wglc with an ambiguous
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Loa,<div>I&#39;ve read, reviewed the draft and believe =
it is ready for publication.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Gr=
eg</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On =
Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 2:35 AM, Loa Andersson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:loa@pi.nu" target=3D"_blank">loa@pi.nu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Working Groups,<br>
<br>
This is to initiate a two week MPLS working group last call in on<br>
draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-pin<wbr>g-03.<br>
<br>
Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (<a href=3D"mailto:mp=
ls@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">mpls@ietf.org</a>).<br>
<br>
There are no IPR disclosures against this document.<br>
<br>
All the authors and contributors have stated on the working group<br>
mailing list that they are not aware of any other IPRs that relates<br>
to this document.<br>
<br>
As usual when a wglc is across an IETF week we do not count that week,<br>
this working group last call therefore ends August 1, 2017.<br>
<br>
<br>
/Loa<br>
MPLS wg co-chairs<br>
<br>
PS<br>
<br>
I was a bit trigger happy and started this wglc with an ambiguous<br>
subjet. Please use this mail when you are responding to the wglc.<span clas=
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To: Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org>
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Hi Jeff,

Thanks for looking at this. You are right, but we are still discussing vari=
ous approaches for the static MPLS and the conclusion has not been reached =
yet.=20
We'd like to hear what you think and appreciate your comments.

Best,
- Xufeng

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeffrey Haas [mailto:jhaas@pfrc.org]
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 4:21 PM
> To: Xufeng Liu <Xufeng_Liu@jabil.com>
> Cc: Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com>; draft-ietf-mpls-static-yang@ietf=
.org;
> mpls@ietf.org; draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types@ietf.org; rtgwg@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: MPLS label and LSE data models
>=20
> Xufeng,
>=20
> I see that draft-ietf-mpls-static-yang-04 was issued.  My comment is agai=
nst that
> version now.
>=20
> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 03:44:28PM +0000, Xufeng Liu wrote:
> > > I'm not conversant with common Yang tool suites, but it seems if the
> > > ordered-by user rather than the default of system, then the tooling
> > > might present the bottom of stack entry as the first or last node of
> > > the list rather than requiring the consumer to have to run a sort of
> > > the nodes based on the id number and then select the first node.
> >
> > [Xufeng] Are you suggesting to use the position to order instead of
> > the ID value? If so, what would be the semantics of the ID value? If
> > we cannot get rid of the ID key, I don't know if using a separate
> > ordering mechanism will make the usability better.
>=20
> I see that you changed things to use a constrained index range with id 0 =
being
> special for top of stack.
>=20
> So, if you have labels with indexes 0, 5, 10, 15, then 15 would be the bo=
ttom of
> stack?
>=20
> -- Jeff


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Xufeng,

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 04:14:18PM +0000, Xufeng Liu wrote:
> Thanks for looking at this. You are right, but we are still discussing various approaches for the static MPLS and the conclusion has not been reached yet. 
> We'd like to hear what you think and appreciate your comments.

To offer a suggestion, order the stack from bottom (lowest number) to top
(highest).  Require that bottom of stack be element index zero.

My yang constraints are a bit weak but I believe you can construct an XPath
that requires that a node of index 0 must be present.

The above two suggestions don't help with the issues of needing to sort the
list by index in order to generate the stack, but it does at least remove
any possible ambiguity about the critical bottom of stack semantic.

-- Jeff


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A reminder: please send slides by the end of the day tomorrow.

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> All,
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> A reminder for folks presenting in the joint yang session in Prague:
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> The agenda is at https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/99/agenda/teas/
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> > We'll need slides for presentation by Friday, July 14th so that we can
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Acee,

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 08:31:25PM +0000, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:
> Typically, YANG indices are added to YANG lists to simply imply ordering.
> I don’t believe there is absolutely any value in trying to enforce the
> semantics of a precise label position on this index. It is fairly obvious
> that the first label in the list is the first label in the stack, the
> second label in the list is the second label in the stack, and so on…
> Hopefully, the other YANG model authors will agree with me on this point
> and the “Index 0 as top” convention should be relaxed. Is there a YANG
> doctor in the house???
> 
> Now, we currently specify the top label as the first label in the list
> while Jeff has proposed that the bottom label be the first label.  Surely,
> there is an existing convention within MPLS RFCs and drafts and we should
> be consistent. I’d research myself but I have a ton of other things to do
> prior to leaving for Prague tomorrow. When someone refers to the first
> label, is the top or bottom label? I have always been referring to the
> first label as the top label (with all due respect to C stack
> implementations).

Generally, people view stacks from top to bottom.  I don't think there's any
argument about that.

As noted in the thread, the issue is that the indexes are there for ordering
and to remove ambiguity when the same value is present in the list twice.

But since the ordering is implied by indexes and gaps are permitted, a sort
operation is still required.  The question becomes whether there's any use
in letting a well known value, such as 0, can be an expected bottom or top
of stack element?  I believe the answer is yes, but have a mixed opinion
whether bottom or top would be better.  

I think the arguments for each are:
Bottom: This is the only label that has special semantics - it's the last
one and gets the bottom of stack bit.
Top: This is the label you forward on.

I'm ambivalent as to which is most useful, but do suggest we should use one
of the two.

-- Jeff


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Greg,


On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 07:19:04PM -0700, Greg Mirsky wrote:
> GIM>> I disagree with your conclusion that  the draft does not include
> mechanism to switch the reverse path of the BFD session in Up state.
> Firstly, the BFD Reverse Path TLV MAY be included in LSP Ping at any moment
> in time, not only when bootstrapping BFD session. Secondly, the draft
> states that if BFD Reverse Path TLV contains none sub-TLVs, then the
> reverse path MUST be switched to IP network, which is the default behavior
> per RFC 5884.

I'm not sure I agree with your conclusion.  As best I'm aware,
implementations only bootstrap their sessions to start with lsping.  I don't
recall discussion about procedures for updating existing sessions.  This may
be a fault of my memory - would you clarify where you believe this is
covered in 5884?

-- Jeff


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Hi Jeff,
true, the RFC 5884 does not discuss handling of subsequent LSP Ping with
the same BFD Discriminator value in BFD Discriminator TLV. My reference to
RFC 5884 is to point that the default, implied path for the reverse
direction of the BFD session is over IP network and that how this draft
interprets BFD Reverse Path TLV with none- sub-TLVs included. And yes,
nodes that would support this draft MUST handle subsequent LSP Ping Echo
Request with BFD Discriminator and BFD Reverse TLVs.

Regards,
Greg

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 2:04 AM, Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org> wrote:

> Greg,
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 07:19:04PM -0700, Greg Mirsky wrote:
> > GIM>> I disagree with your conclusion that  the draft does not include
> > mechanism to switch the reverse path of the BFD session in Up state.
> > Firstly, the BFD Reverse Path TLV MAY be included in LSP Ping at any
> moment
> > in time, not only when bootstrapping BFD session. Secondly, the draft
> > states that if BFD Reverse Path TLV contains none sub-TLVs, then the
> > reverse path MUST be switched to IP network, which is the default
> behavior
> > per RFC 5884.
>
> I'm not sure I agree with your conclusion.  As best I'm aware,
> implementations only bootstrap their sessions to start with lsping.  I
> don't
> recall discussion about procedures for updating existing sessions.  This
> may
> be a fault of my memory - would you clarify where you believe this is
> covered in 5884?
>
> -- Jeff
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Jeff,<div>true, the RFC 5884 does not discuss handling =
of subsequent LSP Ping with the same BFD Discriminator value in BFD Discrim=
inator TLV. My reference to RFC 5884 is to point that the default, implied =
path for the reverse direction of the BFD session is over IP network and th=
at how this draft interprets BFD Reverse Path TLV with none- sub-TLVs inclu=
ded. And yes, nodes that would support this draft MUST handle subsequent LS=
P Ping Echo Request with BFD Discriminator and BFD Reverse TLVs.</div><div>=
<br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Greg</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra=
"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 2:04 AM, Jeffrey H=
aas <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jhaas@pfrc.org" target=3D"_blan=
k">jhaas@pfrc.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">G=
reg,<br>
<span class=3D""><br>
<br>
On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 07:19:04PM -0700, Greg Mirsky wrote:<br>
&gt; GIM&gt;&gt; I disagree with your conclusion that=C2=A0 the draft does =
not include<br>
&gt; mechanism to switch the reverse path of the BFD session in Up state.<b=
r>
&gt; Firstly, the BFD Reverse Path TLV MAY be included in LSP Ping at any m=
oment<br>
&gt; in time, not only when bootstrapping BFD session. Secondly, the draft<=
br>
&gt; states that if BFD Reverse Path TLV contains none sub-TLVs, then the<b=
r>
&gt; reverse path MUST be switched to IP network, which is the default beha=
vior<br>
&gt; per RFC 5884.<br>
<br>
</span>I&#39;m not sure I agree with your conclusion.=C2=A0 As best I&#39;m=
 aware,<br>
implementations only bootstrap their sessions to start with lsping.=C2=A0 I=
 don&#39;t<br>
recall discussion about procedures for updating existing sessions.=C2=A0 Th=
is may<br>
be a fault of my memory - would you clarify where you believe this is<br>
covered in 5884?<br>
<br>
-- Jeff<br>
</blockquote></div><br></div>

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On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 02:06:01AM -0700, Greg Mirsky wrote:
> true, the RFC 5884 does not discuss handling of subsequent LSP Ping with
> the same BFD Discriminator value in BFD Discriminator TLV. My reference to
> RFC 5884 is to point that the default, implied path for the reverse
> direction of the BFD session is over IP network and that how this draft
> interprets BFD Reverse Path TLV with none- sub-TLVs included. And yes,
> nodes that would support this draft MUST handle subsequent LSP Ping Echo
> Request with BFD Discriminator and BFD Reverse TLVs.
> 

I don't believe the procedure updating 5884 to change existing session
properties is called out in the -directed document.  I don't have a strong
opinion about the use case of whether such updates are desired or not.
That's a decision for the MPLS WG.  However, I do think such procedure needs
to be clear if it's desired.  This is part of Carlos' point.

-- Jeff


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Hi Jeff,
thank you for pointing that the use of LSP Ping to update the existing BFD
session should be explicitly documented in the draft. I agree that this is
valid request and, if the MPLS WG agrees, will add it in the next version
along what I've outlined in our discussion.

Regards,
Greg

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 2:23 AM, Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 02:06:01AM -0700, Greg Mirsky wrote:
> > true, the RFC 5884 does not discuss handling of subsequent LSP Ping with
> > the same BFD Discriminator value in BFD Discriminator TLV. My reference
> to
> > RFC 5884 is to point that the default, implied path for the reverse
> > direction of the BFD session is over IP network and that how this draft
> > interprets BFD Reverse Path TLV with none- sub-TLVs included. And yes,
> > nodes that would support this draft MUST handle subsequent LSP Ping Echo
> > Request with BFD Discriminator and BFD Reverse TLVs.
> >
>
> I don't believe the procedure updating 5884 to change existing session
> properties is called out in the -directed document.  I don't have a strong
> opinion about the use case of whether such updates are desired or not.
> That's a decision for the MPLS WG.  However, I do think such procedure
> needs
> to be clear if it's desired.  This is part of Carlos' point.
>
> -- Jeff
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Jeff,<div>thank you for pointing that the use of LSP Pi=
ng to update the existing BFD session should be explicitly documented in th=
e draft. I agree that this is valid request and, if the MPLS WG agrees, wil=
l add it in the next version along what I&#39;ve outlined in our discussion=
.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Greg</div></div><div class=3D=
"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 2:23 A=
M, Jeffrey Haas <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jhaas@pfrc.org" tar=
get=3D"_blank">jhaas@pfrc.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding=
-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 02:06:01AM -0700, Greg =
Mirsky wrote:<br>
&gt; true, the RFC 5884 does not discuss handling of subsequent LSP Ping wi=
th<br>
&gt; the same BFD Discriminator value in BFD Discriminator TLV. My referenc=
e to<br>
&gt; RFC 5884 is to point that the default, implied path for the reverse<br=
>
&gt; direction of the BFD session is over IP network and that how this draf=
t<br>
&gt; interprets BFD Reverse Path TLV with none- sub-TLVs included. And yes,=
<br>
&gt; nodes that would support this draft MUST handle subsequent LSP Ping Ec=
ho<br>
&gt; Request with BFD Discriminator and BFD Reverse TLVs.<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
</span>I don&#39;t believe the procedure updating 5884 to change existing s=
ession<br>
properties is called out in the -directed document.=C2=A0 I don&#39;t have =
a strong<br>
opinion about the use case of whether such updates are desired or not.<br>
That&#39;s a decision for the MPLS WG.=C2=A0 However, I do think such proce=
dure needs<br>
to be clear if it&#39;s desired.=C2=A0 This is part of Carlos&#39; point.<b=
r>
<br>
-- Jeff<br>
</blockquote></div><br></div>

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We have started to prepare draft-mtaillon-mpls-summary-frr-rsvpte for
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Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-mtaillon-mpls-summary-frr-rs=
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Yes, I=E2=80=99m aware of the IPR that applies to
draft-mtaillon-mpls-summary-frr-rsvpte.
And yes the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules.
IPR -- https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2559/

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-Pavan

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> Working Group,
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> We have started to prepare draft-mtaillon-mpls-summary-frr-rsvpte for
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>
> This mail starts the IPR poll.
>
> Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-mtaillon-mpls-summary-
> frr-rsvpte?
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<div>There is one IPR disclosures against draft-mtaillon-mpls-summary-<wbr>=
frr-rsvpte.</div>
<div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </div>
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Hi,

Just as a point of reference, for VLAN tag stacks, the outermost VLAN 
tag is always first in the list.

Regarding relax the ordering or not, I may not be answering exactly the 
same question, but I would say that you want a have a canonical order 
(to allow for easy and efficient comparison), and forcing everyone to 
have to sort the label stack before using it would probably just be 
regarded as a wart.

Thanks,
Rob


On 14/07/2017 22:31, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:
> Hi Tarek, Jeff,
>
> Typically, YANG indices are added to YANG lists to simply imply 
> ordering. I don’t believe there is absolutely any value in trying to 
> enforce the semantics of a precise label position on this index. It is 
> fairly obvious that the first label in the list is the first label in 
> the stack, the second label in the list is the second label in the 
> stack, and so on… Hopefully, the other YANG model authors will agree 
> with me on this point and the “Index 0 as top” convention should be 
> relaxed. Is there a YANG doctor in the house???
>
> Now, we currently specify the top label as the first label in the list 
> while Jeff has proposed that the bottom label be the first label. 
>  Surely, there is an existing convention within MPLS RFCs and drafts 
> and we should be consistent. I’d research myself but I have a ton of 
> other things to do prior to leaving for Prague tomorrow. When someone 
> refers to the first label, is the top or bottom label? I have always 
> been referring to the first label as the top label (with all due 
> respect to C stack implementations).
>
> Thanks,
> Acee
>
> From: "Tarek Saad (tsaad)" <tsaad@cisco.com <mailto:tsaad@cisco.com>>
> Date: Thursday, July 13, 2017 at 1:12 PM
> To: Jeff Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org <mailto:jhaas@pfrc.org>>, Xufeng Liu 
> <Xufeng_Liu@jabil.com <mailto:Xufeng_Liu@jabil.com>>
> Cc: Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com 
> <mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com>>, "draft-ietf-mpls-static-yang@ietf.org 
> <mailto:draft-ietf-mpls-static-yang@ietf.org>" 
> <draft-ietf-mpls-static-yang@ietf.org 
> <mailto:draft-ietf-mpls-static-yang@ietf.org>>, "mpls@ietf.org 
> <mailto:mpls@ietf.org>" <mpls@ietf.org <mailto:mpls@ietf.org>>, 
> "draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types@ietf.org 
> <mailto:draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types@ietf.org>" 
> <draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types@ietf.org 
> <mailto:draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types@ietf.org>>, Routing WG 
> <rtgwg@ietf.org <mailto:rtgwg@ietf.org>>
> Subject: Re: MPLS label and LSE data models
> Resent-From: <alias-bounces@ietf.org <mailto:alias-bounces@ietf.org>>
> Resent-To: <xufeng_liu@jabil.com <mailto:xufeng_liu@jabil.com>>, 
> Yingzhen Qu <yingzhen.qu@huawei.com <mailto:yingzhen.qu@huawei.com>>, 
> Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com <mailto:acee@cisco.com>>, Christian Hopps 
> <chopps@chopps.org <mailto:chopps@chopps.org>>, <lberger@labn.net 
> <mailto:lberger@labn.net>>
> Resent-Date: Thursday, July 13, 2017 at 1:12 PM
>
>     Hi Jeff and Xufeng,
>
>     Sorry, catching up on this thread. Yes, we've made a change for
>     the MPLS label-stack from "leaf-list" to a "list with key index"
>     to address having multiple labels of same value in the same stack.
>
>     We noted an assumption in the description that index 0 is the top
>     of the stack followed by the remainder of the labels in the stack.
>     However, you have a point about enforcing index (n-1) being
>     present before accepting index n. There is some discussion on
>     'preceding-sibling' and 'following-sibling' with some
>     recommendations in rfc6087.. I'll need to check if enforcing such
>     "when" check is good idea in YANG.
>
>     Another idea (not so elegant) is relax this "index 0 as top" and
>     just accept the lowest index of the list as the top followed by
>     the remainder labels (as sorted in index increasing order).
>
>     Regards,
>
>     Tarek
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>
>     From: Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org <mailto:jhaas@pfrc.org>>
>
>     Date: Thursday, July 13, 2017 at 12:51 PM
>
>     To: Xufeng Liu <Xufeng_Liu@jabil.com <mailto:Xufeng_Liu@jabil.com>>
>
>     Cc: Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com
>     <mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com>>,
>     "draft-ietf-mpls-static-yang@ietf.org
>     <mailto:draft-ietf-mpls-static-yang@ietf.org>"
>     <draft-ietf-mpls-static-yang@ietf.org
>     <mailto:draft-ietf-mpls-static-yang@ietf.org>>, "mpls@ietf.org
>     <mailto:mpls@ietf.org>" <mpls@ietf.org <mailto:mpls@ietf.org>>,
>     "draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types@ietf.org
>     <mailto:draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types@ietf.org>"
>     <draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types@ietf.org
>     <mailto:draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types@ietf.org>>, "rtgwg@ietf.org
>     <mailto:rtgwg@ietf.org>" <rtgwg@ietf.org <mailto:rtgwg@ietf.org>>
>
>     Subject: Re: MPLS label and LSE data models
>
>     Resent-From: <alias-bounces@ietf.org <mailto:alias-bounces@ietf.org>>
>
>     Resent-To: Tarek Saad <tsaad@cisco.com <mailto:tsaad@cisco.com>>,
>     <skraza@cisco.com <mailto:skraza@cisco.com>>, <rgandhi@cisco.com
>     <mailto:rgandhi@cisco.com>>, <xufeng_liu@jabil.com
>     <mailto:xufeng_liu@jabil.com>>, <vbeeram@juniper.net
>     <mailto:vbeeram@juniper.net>>, <hshah@ciena.com
>     <mailto:hshah@ciena.com>>, <igor.bryskin@huawei.com
>     <mailto:igor.bryskin@huawei.com>>, <jescia.chenxia@huawei.com
>     <mailto:jescia.chenxia@huawei.com>>, <raqib@brocade.com
>     <mailto:raqib@brocade.com>>, <bin_wen@cable.comcast.com
>     <mailto:bin_wen@cable.comcast.com>>
>
>     Resent-Date: Thursday, July 13, 2017 at 12:42 PM
>
>         Xufeng,
>
>         On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 04:14:18PM +0000, Xufeng Liu wrote:
>
>         > Thanks for looking at this. You are right, but we are still
>     discussing various approaches for the static MPLS and the
>     conclusion has not been reached yet.
>
>         > We'd like to hear what you think and appreciate your comments.
>
>         To offer a suggestion, order the stack from bottom (lowest
>     number) to top
>
>         (highest).  Require that bottom of stack be element index zero.
>
>         My yang constraints are a bit weak but I believe you can
>     construct an XPath
>
>         that requires that a node of index 0 must be present.
>
>         The above two suggestions don't help with the issues of
>     needing to sort the
>
>         list by index in order to generate the stack, but it does at
>     least remove
>
>         any possible ambiguity about the critical bottom of stack
>     semantic.
>
>         -- Jeff
>
>
>
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    <p>Hi,</p>
    <p>Just as a point of reference, for VLAN tag stacks, the outermost
      VLAN tag is always first in the list.</p>
    <p>Regarding relax the ordering or not, I may not be answering
      exactly the same question, but I would say that you want a have a
      canonical order (to allow for easy and efficient comparison), and
      forcing everyone to have to sort the label stack before using it
      would probably just be regarded as a wart.</p>
    <p>Thanks,<br>
      Rob<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 14/07/2017 22:31, Acee Lindem (acee)
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:D58E9EC8.B88E8%25acee@cisco.com">
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      <div>Hi Tarek, Jeff, </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Typically, YANG indices are added to YANG lists to simply
        imply ordering. I don’t believe there is absolutely any value in
        trying to enforce the semantics of a precise label position on
        this index. It is fairly obvious that the first label in the
        list is the first label in the stack, the second label in the
        list is the second label in the stack, and so on… Hopefully, the
        other YANG model authors will agree with me on this point and
        the “Index 0 as top” convention should be relaxed. Is there a
        YANG doctor in the house??? </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Now, we currently specify the top label as the first label in
        the list while Jeff has proposed that the bottom label be the
        first label.  Surely, there is an existing convention within
        MPLS RFCs and drafts and we should be consistent. I’d research
        myself but I have a ton of other things to do prior to leaving
        for Prague tomorrow. When someone refers to the first label, is
        the top or bottom label? I have always been referring to the
        first label as the top label (with all due respect to C stack
        implementations). </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Thanks,</div>
      <div>Acee </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
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          <span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>"Tarek Saad
          (tsaad)" &lt;<a href="mailto:tsaad@cisco.com"
            moz-do-not-send="true">tsaad@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
          <span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Thursday, July
          13, 2017 at 1:12 PM<br>
          <span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Jeff Haas &lt;<a
            href="mailto:jhaas@pfrc.org" moz-do-not-send="true">jhaas@pfrc.org</a>&gt;,
          Xufeng Liu &lt;<a href="mailto:Xufeng_Liu@jabil.com"
            moz-do-not-send="true">Xufeng_Liu@jabil.com</a>&gt;<br>
          <span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>Greg Mirsky &lt;<a
            href="mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">gregimirsky@gmail.com</a>&gt;,
          "<a href="mailto:draft-ietf-mpls-static-yang@ietf.org"
            moz-do-not-send="true">draft-ietf-mpls-static-yang@ietf.org</a>"
          &lt;<a href="mailto:draft-ietf-mpls-static-yang@ietf.org"
            moz-do-not-send="true">draft-ietf-mpls-static-yang@ietf.org</a>&gt;,
          "<a href="mailto:mpls@ietf.org" moz-do-not-send="true">mpls@ietf.org</a>"
          &lt;<a href="mailto:mpls@ietf.org" moz-do-not-send="true">mpls@ietf.org</a>&gt;,
          "<a href="mailto:draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types@ietf.org"
            moz-do-not-send="true">draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types@ietf.org</a>"
          &lt;<a href="mailto:draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types@ietf.org"
            moz-do-not-send="true">draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types@ietf.org</a>&gt;,
          Routing WG &lt;<a href="mailto:rtgwg@ietf.org"
            moz-do-not-send="true">rtgwg@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
          <span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: MPLS label
          and LSE data models<br>
          <span style="font-weight:bold">Resent-From: </span>&lt;<a
            href="mailto:alias-bounces@ietf.org" moz-do-not-send="true">alias-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
          <span style="font-weight:bold">Resent-To: </span>&lt;<a
            href="mailto:xufeng_liu@jabil.com" moz-do-not-send="true">xufeng_liu@jabil.com</a>&gt;,
          Yingzhen Qu &lt;<a href="mailto:yingzhen.qu@huawei.com"
            moz-do-not-send="true">yingzhen.qu@huawei.com</a>&gt;, Acee
          Lindem &lt;<a href="mailto:acee@cisco.com"
            moz-do-not-send="true">acee@cisco.com</a>&gt;, Christian
          Hopps &lt;<a href="mailto:chopps@chopps.org"
            moz-do-not-send="true">chopps@chopps.org</a>&gt;, &lt;<a
            href="mailto:lberger@labn.net" moz-do-not-send="true">lberger@labn.net</a>&gt;<br>
          <span style="font-weight:bold">Resent-Date: </span>Thursday,
          July 13, 2017 at 1:12 PM<br>
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                <p class="MsoPlainText">Hi Jeff and Xufeng,</p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText">Sorry, catching up on this
                  thread. Yes, we've made a change for the MPLS
                  label-stack from "leaf-list" to a "list with key
                  index" to address having multiple labels of same value
                  in the same stack.</p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText">We noted an assumption in the
                  description that index 0 is the top of the stack
                  followed by the remainder of the labels in the stack.
                  However, you have a point about enforcing index (n-1)
                  being present before accepting index n. There is some
                  discussion on 'preceding-sibling' and
                  'following-sibling' with some recommendations in
                  rfc6087.. I'll need to check if enforcing such "when"
                  check is good idea in YANG.</p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText">Another idea (not so elegant) is
                  relax this "index 0 as top" and just accept the lowest
                  index of the list as the top followed by the remainder
                  labels (as sorted in index increasing order).
                </p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText">Regards,</p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText">Tarek</p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText">From: Jeffrey Haas &lt;<a
                    href="mailto:jhaas@pfrc.org" moz-do-not-send="true">jhaas@pfrc.org</a>&gt;<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText">Date: Thursday, July 13, 2017 at
                  12:51 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText">To: Xufeng Liu &lt;<a
                    href="mailto:Xufeng_Liu@jabil.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">Xufeng_Liu@jabil.com</a>&gt;<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText">Cc: Greg Mirsky &lt;<a
                    href="mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">gregimirsky@gmail.com</a>&gt;,
                  "<a href="mailto:draft-ietf-mpls-static-yang@ietf.org"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">draft-ietf-mpls-static-yang@ietf.org</a>"
                  &lt;<a
                    href="mailto:draft-ietf-mpls-static-yang@ietf.org"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">draft-ietf-mpls-static-yang@ietf.org</a>&gt;,
                  "<a href="mailto:mpls@ietf.org" moz-do-not-send="true">mpls@ietf.org</a>"
                  &lt;<a href="mailto:mpls@ietf.org"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">mpls@ietf.org</a>&gt;, "<a
                    href="mailto:draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types@ietf.org"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types@ietf.org</a>"
                  &lt;<a
                    href="mailto:draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types@ietf.org"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">draft-ietf-rtgwg-routing-types@ietf.org</a>&gt;,
                  "<a href="mailto:rtgwg@ietf.org"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">rtgwg@ietf.org</a>" &lt;<a
                    href="mailto:rtgwg@ietf.org" moz-do-not-send="true">rtgwg@ietf.org</a>&gt;<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText">Subject: Re: MPLS label and LSE
                  data models<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText">Resent-From: &lt;<a
                    href="mailto:alias-bounces@ietf.org"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">alias-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt;<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText">Resent-To: Tarek Saad &lt;<a
                    href="mailto:tsaad@cisco.com" moz-do-not-send="true">tsaad@cisco.com</a>&gt;,
                  &lt;<a href="mailto:skraza@cisco.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">skraza@cisco.com</a>&gt;,
                  &lt;<a href="mailto:rgandhi@cisco.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">rgandhi@cisco.com</a>&gt;,
                  &lt;<a href="mailto:xufeng_liu@jabil.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">xufeng_liu@jabil.com</a>&gt;,
                  &lt;<a href="mailto:vbeeram@juniper.net"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">vbeeram@juniper.net</a>&gt;,
                  &lt;<a href="mailto:hshah@ciena.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">hshah@ciena.com</a>&gt;, &lt;<a
                    href="mailto:igor.bryskin@huawei.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">igor.bryskin@huawei.com</a>&gt;,
                  &lt;<a href="mailto:jescia.chenxia@huawei.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">jescia.chenxia@huawei.com</a>&gt;,
                  &lt;<a href="mailto:raqib@brocade.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">raqib@brocade.com</a>&gt;,
                  &lt;<a href="mailto:bin_wen@cable.comcast.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">bin_wen@cable.comcast.com</a>&gt;<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText">Resent-Date: Thursday, July 13,
                  2017 at 12:42 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText">    Xufeng,<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText">    <o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText">    On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at
                  04:14:18PM +0000, Xufeng Liu wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText">    &gt; Thanks for looking at
                  this. You are right, but we are still discussing
                  various approaches for the static MPLS and the
                  conclusion has not been reached yet.
                  <o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText">    &gt; We'd like to hear what
                  you think and appreciate your comments.<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText">    <o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText">    To offer a suggestion, order
                  the stack from bottom (lowest number) to top<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText">    (highest).  Require that
                  bottom of stack be element index zero.<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText">    <o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText">    My yang constraints are a
                  bit weak but I believe you can construct an XPath<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText">    that requires that a node of
                  index 0 must be present.<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText">    <o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText">    The above two suggestions
                  don't help with the issues of needing to sort the<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText">    list by index in order to
                  generate the stack, but it does at least remove<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText">    any possible ambiguity about
                  the critical bottom of stack semantic.<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText">    <o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText">    -- Jeff<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText">    <o:p></o:p></p>
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Working Group,

I've reviewed this draft - with one exception it is mainly nits, I've 
sent those directly to the authors.

The non-nit is that when you define a new IANA registry you also have
to define the allocation policies, as far as I see this is not done.

Update needed.

/Loa

On 2017-07-11 11:35, Loa Andersson wrote:
> Working Groups,
>
> This is to initiate a two week MPLS working group last call in on
> draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping-03.
>
> Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org).
>
> There are no IPR disclosures against this document.
>
> All the authors and contributors have stated on the working group
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> to this document.
>
> As usual when a wglc is across an IETF week we do not count that week,
> this working group last call therefore ends August 1, 2017.
>
>
> /Loa
> MPLS wg co-chairs
>
> PS
>
> I was a bit trigger happy and started this wglc with an ambiguous
> subjet. Please use this mail when you are responding to the wglc.

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Support.

(Was part of the implementation team of this draft in my past life!)

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Working Groups,

This is to initiate a two week MPLS working group last call in on draft-iet=
f-mpls-spring-lsp-ping-03.

Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org).

There are no IPR disclosures against this document.

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ist that they are not aware of any other IPRs that relates to this document=
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As usual when a wglc is across an IETF week we do not count that week, this=
 working group last call therefore ends August 1, 2017.


/Loa
MPLS wg co-chairs

PS

I was a bit trigger happy and started this wglc with an ambiguous subjet. P=
lease use this mail when you are responding to the wglc.
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Thanks Loa!

WG,

We worked the following update together with Loa for the non-nit issue iden=
tified, to be included in the post WGLC rev:

   IANA is requested to create a new "Protocol"  registry under the
   "Multi-Protocol Label Switching (MPLS) Label Switched Paths (LSPs)
   Ping Parameters" registry. Code points in the range of 0-250
   will be assigned by Standards Action. The range of 251-254 and will
   not be assigned. The initial entries into the registry will be.

      Value                 Meaning               Reference
    ----------        -----------------         ------------
       0                    Unknown           Section 3.4.1.2 (RFC8029)
       1                    Static            Section 3.4.1.2 (RFC8029)
       2                    BGP               Section 3.4.1.2 (RFC8029)
       3                    LDP               Section 3.4.1.2 (RFC8029)
       4                    RSVP-TE           Section 3.4.1.2 (RFC8029)
       5                    OSPF              Section 6 (this document)
       6                    ISIS              Section 6 (this document)
       7-250                unassigned
       251-254              Experimental use  (this document)
       255                  Reserved          (this document)

Thanks,

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 18, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:
>=20
> Working Group,
>=20
> I've reviewed this draft - with one exception it is mainly nits, I've sen=
t those directly to the authors.
>=20
> The non-nit is that when you define a new IANA registry you also have
> to define the allocation policies, as far as I see this is not done.
>=20
> Update needed.
>=20
> /Loa
>=20
>> On 2017-07-11 11:35, Loa Andersson wrote:
>> Working Groups,
>>=20
>> This is to initiate a two week MPLS working group last call in on
>> draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping-03.
>>=20
>> Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org).
>>=20
>> There are no IPR disclosures against this document.
>>=20
>> All the authors and contributors have stated on the working group
>> mailing list that they are not aware of any other IPRs that relates
>> to this document.
>>=20
>> As usual when a wglc is across an IETF week we do not count that week,
>> this working group last call therefore ends August 1, 2017.
>>=20
>>=20
>> /Loa
>> MPLS wg co-chairs
>>=20
>> PS
>>=20
>> I was a bit trigger happy and started this wglc with an ambiguous
>> subjet. Please use this mail when you are responding to the wglc.
>=20
> --=20
>=20
>=20
> Loa Andersson                        email: loa@mail01.huawei.com
> Senior MPLS Expert                          loa@pi.nu
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Carlos,

I goofed a bit - talked to Amanda and she suggested that we make the
policy:

      IANA is requested to create a new "Protocol"  registry under the
      "Multi-Protocol Label Switching (MPLS) Label Switched Paths (LSPs)
      Ping Parameters" registry. Code points in the range of 0-250
      will be assigned by Standards Action. The range of 251-254 are
      reserved for experimental use and will not be assigned. The
      initial entries into the registry will be.

/Loa

On 2017-07-18 12:14, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) wrote:
> Thanks Loa!
>
> WG,
>
> We worked the following update together with Loa for the non-nit issue identified, to be included in the post WGLC rev:
>
>    IANA is requested to create a new "Protocol"  registry under the
>    "Multi-Protocol Label Switching (MPLS) Label Switched Paths (LSPs)
>    Ping Parameters" registry. Code points in the range of 0-250
>    will be assigned by Standards Action. The range of 251-254 and will
>    not be assigned. The initial entries into the registry will be.
>
>       Value                 Meaning               Reference
>     ----------        -----------------         ------------
>        0                    Unknown           Section 3.4.1.2 (RFC8029)
>        1                    Static            Section 3.4.1.2 (RFC8029)
>        2                    BGP               Section 3.4.1.2 (RFC8029)
>        3                    LDP               Section 3.4.1.2 (RFC8029)
>        4                    RSVP-TE           Section 3.4.1.2 (RFC8029)
>        5                    OSPF              Section 6 (this document)
>        6                    ISIS              Section 6 (this document)
>        7-250                unassigned
>        251-254              Experimental use  (this document)
>        255                  Reserved          (this document)
>
> Thanks,
>
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>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:
>>
>> Working Group,
>>
>> I've reviewed this draft - with one exception it is mainly nits, I've sent those directly to the authors.
>>
>> The non-nit is that when you define a new IANA registry you also have
>> to define the allocation policies, as far as I see this is not done.
>>
>> Update needed.
>>
>> /Loa
>>
>>> On 2017-07-11 11:35, Loa Andersson wrote:
>>> Working Groups,
>>>
>>> This is to initiate a two week MPLS working group last call in on
>>> draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping-03.
>>>
>>> Please send your comments to the mpls wg mailing list (mpls@ietf.org).
>>>
>>> There are no IPR disclosures against this document.
>>>
>>> All the authors and contributors have stated on the working group
>>> mailing list that they are not aware of any other IPRs that relates
>>> to this document.
>>>
>>> As usual when a wglc is across an IETF week we do not count that week,
>>> this working group last call therefore ends August 1, 2017.
>>>
>>>
>>> /Loa
>>> MPLS wg co-chairs
>>>
>>> PS
>>>
>>> I was a bit trigger happy and started this wglc with an ambiguous
>>> subjet. Please use this mail when you are responding to the wglc.
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Loa Andersson                        email: loa@mail01.huawei.com
>> Senior MPLS Expert                          loa@pi.nu
>> Huawei Technologies (consultant)     phone: +46 739 81 21 64

-- 


Loa Andersson                        email: loa@mail01.huawei.com
Senior MPLS Expert                          loa@pi.nu
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> On Jul 17, 2017, at 11:13 AM, Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org> wrote:
>=20
>> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 02:06:01AM -0700, Greg Mirsky wrote:
>> true, the RFC 5884 does not discuss handling of subsequent LSP Ping with
>> the same BFD Discriminator value in BFD Discriminator TLV. My reference =
to
>> RFC 5884 is to point that the default, implied path for the reverse
>> direction of the BFD session is over IP network and that how this draft
>> interprets BFD Reverse Path TLV with none- sub-TLVs included.

Greg, I cannot find any default behavior specified in RFC 5884. Section 7, =
paragraphs 6 and 7 talk about and either/or.=20

>> And yes,
>> nodes that would support this draft MUST handle subsequent LSP Ping Echo
>> Request with BFD Discriminator and BFD Reverse TLVs.
>>=20

This, along with its associated "how" is missing from the draft.=20

>=20
> I don't believe the procedure updating 5884 to change existing session
> properties is called out in the -directed document.  I don't have a stron=
g
> opinion about the use case of whether such updates are desired or not.
> That's a decision for the MPLS WG.  However, I do think such procedure ne=
eds
> to be clear if it's desired.  This is part of Carlos' point.
>=20

Jeff, indeed.=20

> -- Jeff

Thanks!

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That works. Adding the "are reserved for experimental use" that got dropped=
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Draft authors,

The OAM section described in the draft is sparse to minimal.
See the mention of RFC8029, that it could be used without any changes,
which I entirely disagree.

Questions:
1. How are you encapsulating the LSP Ping Echo request with delegation
labels and corresponding FEC stack TLV?
2. If you are saying that delegation node is going to modify the packet and
its payload, this is entirely new mechanism and RFC8029 doesn't provide
mechanics of it. So, add detailed content.
3. What is the FEC type being added for delegation label?

Will comment further, based on the updated content and clarifications.

-sam

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Draft authors,<div><br></div><div>The OAM section describe=
d in the draft is sparse to minimal.</div><div>See the mention of RFC8029, =
that it could be used without any changes, which I entirely disagree.</div>=
<div><br></div><div>Questions:</div><div>1. How are you encapsulating the L=
SP Ping Echo request with delegation labels and corresponding FEC stack TLV=
?</div><div>2. If you are saying that delegation node is going to modify th=
e packet and its payload, this is entirely new mechanism and RFC8029 doesn&=
#39;t provide mechanics of it. So, add detailed content.</div><div>3. What =
is the FEC type being added for delegation label?</div><div><br></div><div>=
Will comment further, based on the updated content and clarifications.</div=
><div><br></div><div>-sam</div></div>

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Hi all,
I have read the draft<https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-mpls-a=
nycast-segments-01> in question, and, from my POV, it defines, under the n=
ame of Virtual LFIB,  a dedicated context-specific label space (see RFC 53=
31<https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5331>)  in the devices that are assigned=
 with one or more anycast segments, and uses the labels such devices alloc=
ate for these segments as the context labels identifying this space.

If my understanding is correct:

*         Explicit mapping of the definitions of the draft to already defi=
ned and well-understood MPLS architectural mechanisms would greatly improv=
e its readability. It would also greatly help the implementers, especially=
 if they have already implemented (or consider implementation of) context-=
specific label spaces in their devices

*         Adding the relevant references (including a normative reference =
to RFC 5331) seems necessary

Using context-specific label spaces and context labels in conjunction with=
 anycast (or anycast-like) functionality  in MPLS is not new. One example =
(as indicated in Eric Rosen's email<https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/=
mpls/current/msg12659.html>)  is the PW Endpoint Fast Failure Protection m=
echanism defined in RFC 8104<https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8104>. The ana=
logy looks important to me since anycast groups are commonly considered as=
 a protection mechanism (and not just as a load-balancing one). I also thi=
nk that relationships between this draft and the egress protection framewo=
rk<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shen-mpls-egress-protection-fram=
ework/?include_text=3D1> one are worth looking at carefully.

My 2c,
Sasha

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have read the <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/h=
tml/draft-ietf-spring-mpls-anycast-segments-01">
draft</a> in question, and, from my POV, it defines, under the name of Vir=
tual LFIB, &nbsp;<i>a dedicated context-specific label space</i> (see
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5331">RFC 5331</a>) &nbsp;in the=
 devices that are assigned with one or more anycast segments, and uses the=
 labels such devices allocate for these segments as the
<i>context labels</i> identifying this space. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If my understanding is correct:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 lev=
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3D"LTR"></span>Explicit mapping o=
f the definitions of the draft to already defined and well-understood MPLS=
 architectural mechanisms would greatly improve its readability. It would =
also greatly help the implementers, especially
 if they have already implemented (or consider implementation of) context-=
specific label spaces in their devices<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 lev=
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Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
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t references (including a normative reference to RFC 5331) seems necessary=
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Using context-specific label spaces and context lab=
els in conjunction with anycast (or anycast-like) functionality &nbsp;in M=
PLS is not new. One example (as indicated in
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/mpls/current/msg12659.htm=
l">Eric Rosen&#8217;s email</a>) &nbsp;is the PW Endpoint Fast Failure Pro=
tection mechanism defined in
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8104">RFC 8104</a>. The analogy =
looks important to me since anycast groups are commonly considered as a pr=
otection mechanism (and not just as a load-balancing one). I also think th=
at relationships between this draft and
 the <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shen-mpls-egress-pr=
otection-framework/?include_text=3D1">
egress protection framework</a> one are worth looking at carefully.<o:p></=
o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">My 2c,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sasha<o:p></o:p></p>
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Hi Sasha,

Thanks a lot for taking time to read the document and providing the much
appreciated comments. Please find some comments inline.


On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 12:09 AM, Alexander Vainshtein <
Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have read the draft
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-mpls-anycast-segments-01>
> in question, and, from my POV, it defines, under the name of Virtual LFIB=
,  *a
> dedicated context-specific label space* (see RFC 5331
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5331>)  in the devices that are assigned
> with one or more anycast segments, and uses the labels such devices
> allocate for these segments as the *context labels* identifying this
> space.
>
[Pushpasis] Yes, that is correct. I will add a reference to RFC 5331 in the
next version.


>
>
> If my understanding is correct:
>
> =C2=B7         Explicit mapping of the definitions of the draft to alread=
y
> defined and well-understood MPLS architectural mechanisms would greatly
> improve its readability. It would also greatly help the implementers,
> especially if they have already implemented (or consider implementation o=
f)
> context-specific label spaces in their devices
>
[Pushpasis] At the time of writing this draft, there were already some
implementations of context-specific label space , and so I thought adding
those implementation details will not be useful, especially during the WGLC
last calls. Implementation minute details are not welcome I assume from the
WGLC reviews I have gone through so far. But l can sure add some reference
to RFC5331.

> =C2=B7         Adding the relevant references (including a normative refe=
rence
> to RFC 5331) seems necessary
>
>
>
> Using context-specific label spaces and context labels in conjunction wit=
h
> anycast (or anycast-like) functionality  in MPLS is not new. One example
> (as indicated in Eric Rosen=E2=80=99s email
> <https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/mpls/current/msg12659.html>)  is
> the PW Endpoint Fast Failure Protection mechanism defined in RFC 8104
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8104>.
>
[Pushpasis] Yes, use of context-specific label space is not new. And
working in Juniper for sometime I have a good idea of its application. But
using it to provide a means to do anycast segments using MPLS dataplane is
very much new. And to my knowledge till date there is no other way to
achieve this without recursive label lookup and context-specific label
spaces.


> The analogy looks important to me since anycast groups are commonly
> considered as a protection mechanism (and not just as a load-balancing on=
e).
>
[Pushpasis] Actually, about the usecases I have discussed some of the
operators I have discussed with so far on this, almost all them are about
policy-based-routing,  load-balancing and providing disjoint paths.
Offcourse disjoint paths can be used for protection as well as
load-balancing.


> I also think that relationships between this draft and the egress
> protection framework
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shen-mpls-egress-protection-frame=
work/?include_text=3D1>
> one are worth looking at carefully.
>
[Pushpasis] First the egress protection drafts does not seem to have gone
through WG adoption. Next though these two drafts use the same mechanisms,
the exact problem they try to solve are not exactly related.

Nevertheless, I value your comments, suggestions and thoughts a lot, and
thank you very much for providing the insights. I will definitely work on
them and address them in the next draft.

Thanks once again and best regards,
-Pushpasis


>
> My 2c,
>
> Sasha
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Sasha,<div><br></div><div>Thanks a lot for taking time =
to read the document and providing the much appreciated comments. Please fi=
nd some comments inline.</div><div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 12:09 AM, Alexander Vai=
nshtein <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitel=
e.com" target=3D"_blank">Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.com</a>&gt;</span> wr=
ote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72">
<div class=3D"m_7490746872996519144WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi all,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have read the <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/ht=
ml/draft-ietf-spring-mpls-anycast-segments-01" target=3D"_blank">
draft</a> in question, and, from my POV, it defines, under the name of Virt=
ual LFIB, =C2=A0<i>a dedicated context-specific label space</i> (see
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5331" target=3D"_blank">RFC 5331<=
/a>) =C2=A0in the devices that are assigned with one or more anycast segmen=
ts, and uses the labels such devices allocate for these segments as the
<i>context labels</i> identifying this space.</p></div></div></blockquote><=
div>[Pushpasis] Yes, that is correct. I will add a reference to RFC 5331 in=
 the next version.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><di=
v lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72"><div class=3D"m_7490746=
872996519144WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If my understanding is correct:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"m_7490746872996519144MsoListParagraph"><u></u><span style=3D"fo=
nt-family:Symbol"><span>=C2=B7<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Rom=
an&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span dir=3D"LTR"></span>Explicit mapping of th=
e definitions of the draft to already defined and well-understood MPLS arch=
itectural mechanisms would greatly improve its readability. It would also g=
reatly help the implementers, especially
 if they have already implemented (or consider implementation of) context-s=
pecific label spaces in their devices</p></div></div></blockquote><div>[Pus=
hpasis] At the time of writing this draft, there were already some implemen=
tations of context-specific label space , and so I thought adding those imp=
lementation details will not be useful, especially during the WGLC last cal=
ls. Implementation minute details are not welcome I assume from the WGLC re=
views I have gone through so far. But l can sure add some reference to RFC5=
331.</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"#0563C=
1" vlink=3D"#954F72"><div class=3D"m_7490746872996519144WordSection1"><p cl=
ass=3D"m_7490746872996519144MsoListParagraph"><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"m_7490746872996519144MsoListParagraph"><u></u><span style=3D"fo=
nt-family:Symbol"><span>=C2=B7<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Rom=
an&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span dir=3D"LTR"></span>Adding the relevant re=
ferences (including a normative reference to RFC 5331) seems necessary<u></=
u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Using context-specific label spaces and context labe=
ls in conjunction with anycast (or anycast-like) functionality =C2=A0in MPL=
S is not new. One example (as indicated in
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/mpls/current/msg12659.html=
" target=3D"_blank">Eric Rosen=E2=80=99s email</a>) =C2=A0is the PW Endpoin=
t Fast Failure Protection mechanism defined in
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8104" target=3D"_blank">RFC 8104<=
/a>. </p></div></div></blockquote><div>[Pushpasis] Yes, use of context-spec=
ific label space is not new. And working in Juniper for sometime I have a g=
ood idea of its application. But using it to provide a means to do anycast =
segments using MPLS dataplane is very much new. And to my knowledge till da=
te there is no other way to achieve this without recursive label lookup and=
 context-specific label spaces.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-=
left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72"><div class=
=3D"m_7490746872996519144WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The analogy l=
ooks important to me since anycast groups are commonly considered as a prot=
ection mechanism (and not just as a load-balancing one).</p></div></div></b=
lockquote><div>[Pushpasis] Actually, about the usecases I have discussed so=
me of the operators I have discussed with so far on this, almost all them a=
re about policy-based-routing, =C2=A0load-balancing and providing disjoint =
paths. Offcourse disjoint paths can be used for protection as well as load-=
balancing.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=
=3D"EN-US" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72"><div class=3D"m_7490746872996=
519144WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> I also think that relationships=
 between this draft and
 the <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shen-mpls-egress-pro=
tection-framework/?include_text=3D1" target=3D"_blank">
egress protection framework</a> one are worth looking at carefully.</p></di=
v></div></blockquote><div>[Pushpasis] First the egress protection drafts do=
es not seem to have gone through WG adoption. Next though these two drafts =
use the same mechanisms, the exact problem they try to solve are not exactl=
y related.</div><div><br></div><div>Nevertheless, I value your comments, su=
ggestions and thoughts a lot, and thank you very much for providing the ins=
ights. I will definitely work on them and address them in the next draft.</=
div><div><br></div><div>Thanks once again and best regards,</div><div>-Push=
pasis</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US=
" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72"><div class=3D"m_7490746872996519144Wor=
dSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">My 2c,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sasha<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Office: +972-39266302<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cell:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +972-549266302<u=
></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Email:=C2=A0=C2=A0 <a href=3D"mailto:Alexander.Vains=
htein@ecitele.com" target=3D"_blank">Alexander.Vainshtein@ecitele.<wbr>com<=
/a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching WG of the IETF.

        Title           : MPLS Flow Identification Considerations
        Authors         : Stewart Bryant
                          Carlos Pignataro
                          Mach Chen
                          Zhenbin Li
                          Gregory Mirsky
	Filename        : draft-ietf-mpls-flow-ident-05.txt
	Pages           : 11
	Date            : 2017-07-27

Abstract:
   This memo discusses the aspects that must be considered when
   developing a solution for MPLS flow identification.  The key
   application that needs this is in-band performance monitoring of user
   data packets.


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From: "Mike Taillon (mtaillon)" <mtaillon@cisco.com>
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Hi

I'm not aware of any IPR other than what was disclosed by co-authors.

-mike

> On Jul 17, 2017, at 5:23 AM, N.Leymann@telekom.de wrote:
>=20
> Working Group,
>=20
> We have started to prepare draft-mtaillon-mpls-summary-frr-rsvpte for
> working group adoption, prior to the wgap we need to do an IPR poll.
>=20
> This mail starts the IPR poll.
>=20
> Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-mtaillon-mpls-summary-frr-=
rsvpte?
>=20
> If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
> (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?
>=20
> There is one IPR disclosures against draft-mtaillon-mpls-summary-frr-rsvp=
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Yes, I am aware of IPR that applies to draft-mtaillon-mpls-summary-frr-rsvp=
te.
It has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules: https://datatracke=
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-Markus

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Subject: IPR Poll on draft-mtaillon-mpls-summary-frr-rsvpte-05

Working Group,

We have started to prepare draft-mtaillon-mpls-summary-frr-rsvpte for worki=
ng group adoption, prior to the wgap we need to do an IPR poll.

This mail starts the IPR poll.

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-mtaillon-mpls-summary-frr-rs=
vpte?

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R=
FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

There is one IPR disclosures against draft-mtaillon-mpls-summary-frr-rsvpte


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Dear All,
the new draft, draft-mirsky-bfd-mpls-demand
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mirsky-bfd-mpls-demand/>, was
presented
<https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/99/slides/slides-99-mpls-sessb-04-draft-mirsky-bfd-mpls-demand-00.pdf>
at MPLS WG meeting in Prague. The draft proposes how the BFD Demand mode
can be used over MPLS p2p LSP. One of use cases that likely benefit from
the described procedures, in my opinion, is when multiple BFD sessions
established for the same FEC between the same pair of BFD nodes, e.g. ECMP
scenario, as described in RFC 7726.

Greatly appreciate your reviews, comments, questions and suggestions.

Regards,
Greg

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Dear All,<div>the new draft,=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://datat=
racker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mirsky-bfd-mpls-demand/" target=3D"_blank">draft-=
mirsky-bfd-mpls-<wbr>demand</a>, was <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/procee=
dings/99/slides/slides-99-mpls-sessb-04-draft-mirsky-bfd-mpls-demand-00.pdf=
">presented</a> at MPLS WG meeting in Prague. The draft proposes how the BF=
D Demand mode can be used over MPLS p2p LSP. One of use cases that likely b=
enefit from the described procedures, in my opinion, is when multiple BFD s=
essions established for the same FEC between the same pair of BFD nodes, e.=
g. ECMP scenario, as described in RFC 7726.</div><div><br></div><div>Greatl=
y appreciate your reviews, comments, questions and suggestions.</div><div><=
br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Greg</div></div>

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