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I just republished the MSDP MIB.  Since MSDP is now approved, let's get
this finished up to go with it.  Here are the open issues from the
draft.  Some of them are irrelevant now since they applied to pieces
that we removed to get to the current version.  Comments are welcome.

--
We need Components to describe multiple instances of MSDP in the same
box (similar to the PIM MIB)

Need a static RPF-peer table (see spec, section 14.3)

Do we need an msdpPeerLastErrorSent, too, for what notification I last
sent to this peer?

The Backwards Transition notification won't trigger on established ->
disabled.  Is that desired?

A table to express policy was suggested on the MSDP mailing list.  More
discussion is required before including this in the MIB.  (Some of the
more discussion: other than filtering announcements at an RP, policy in
MSDP == black holes; policy should be in MBGP)

An OID for control of encapsulation (e.g. SA-encapsulate the first N
packets sent to this group?) was suggested, although it might be more
appropriate to be a table for fine-grained control.

Is the RowStatus object in the SACache appropriate?  (e.g. used to flush
potentially bad state)

Should there be a mechanism to describe alternate methods of RPF?  (e.g.
statically configured peer address and RP address lists - could be a
table indexed by peer address and RP address with a value of
accept/deny)  One or more MSDP default-peers?

Is it appropriate to use names to distinguish mesh groups?

Are there any other variables appropriate for configuring/managing mesh
groups?

Should the UDP port used for encapsulation be in the Peer table?


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	Title		: Multicast Source Discovery protocol MIB
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I just republished the MSDP MIB.  Since MSDP is now approved, let's get
this finished up to go with it.  Here are the open issues from the
draft.  Some of them are irrelevant now since they applied to pieces
that we removed to get to the current version.  Comments are welcome.

--
We need Components to describe multiple instances of MSDP in the same
box (similar to the PIM MIB)

Need a static RPF-peer table (see spec, section 14.3)

Do we need an msdpPeerLastErrorSent, too, for what notification I last
sent to this peer?

The Backwards Transition notification won't trigger on established ->
disabled.  Is that desired?

A table to express policy was suggested on the MSDP mailing list.  More
discussion is required before including this in the MIB.  (Some of the
more discussion: other than filtering announcements at an RP, policy in
MSDP == black holes; policy should be in MBGP)

An OID for control of encapsulation (e.g. SA-encapsulate the first N
packets sent to this group?) was suggested, although it might be more
appropriate to be a table for fine-grained control.

Is the RowStatus object in the SACache appropriate?  (e.g. used to flush
potentially bad state)

Should there be a mechanism to describe alternate methods of RPF?  (e.g.
statically configured peer address and RP address lists - could be a
table indexed by peer address and RP address with a value of
accept/deny)  One or more MSDP default-peers?

Is it appropriate to use names to distinguish mesh groups?

Are there any other variables appropriate for configuring/managing mesh
groups?

Should the UDP port used for encapsulation be in the Peer table?


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	Title		: Multicast Source Discovery protocol MIB
	Author(s)	: B. Fenner, D. Thaler
	Filename	: draft-ietf-msdp-mib-07.txt
	Pages		: 32
	Date		: 2003-5-29
	
This memo defines an experimental portion of the Management Information
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A couple of brief MSDP MIB questions:

1. Has anyone implemented the draft -06 or -07 (or, for that matter,
   any version)?  I'm curious if renumbering the OIDs would affect
   anyone.

2. In the Requests table, does it make sense for longest-match to
   happen first, or highest priority first?

3. I'm planning to delete msdpPeerEncapsulationType,
   msdpPeerInNotifications, msdpPeerOutNotifications, msdpPeerLastError
   to reflect evolution of the MSDP spec.  Can anyone think of any other
   changes relevant to the structure of the MIB?

Thanks,
  Bill


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A couple of brief MSDP MIB questions:

1. Has anyone implemented the draft -06 or -07 (or, for that matter,
   any version)?  I'm curious if renumbering the OIDs would affect
   anyone.

2. In the Requests table, does it make sense for longest-match to
   happen first, or highest priority first?

3. I'm planning to delete msdpPeerEncapsulationType,
   msdpPeerInNotifications, msdpPeerOutNotifications, msdpPeerLastError
   to reflect evolution of the MSDP spec.  Can anyone think of any other
   changes relevant to the structure of the MIB?

Thanks,
  Bill


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I made up this Cisco multicast network management support matrix awhile ago:

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/intsolns/mcst_sol/mibs.htm

It was correct a year ago. 

Andy

  From: Bill Fenner <fenner@research.att.com>
  
  A couple of brief MSDP MIB questions:
  
  1. Has anyone implemented the draft -06 or -07 (or, for that matter,
     any version)?  I'm curious if renumbering the OIDs would affect
     anyone.
  
  2. In the Requests table, does it make sense for longest-match to
     happen first, or highest priority first?
  
  3. I'm planning to delete msdpPeerEncapsulationType,
     msdpPeerInNotifications, msdpPeerOutNotifications, msdpPeerLastError
     to reflect evolution of the MSDP spec.  Can anyone think of any other
     changes relevant to the structure of the MIB?
  
  Thanks,
    Bill
  



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From: Andrew Kessler <kessler@cisco.com>
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Subject: Re: MSDP MIB questions
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I made up this Cisco multicast network management support matrix awhile ago:

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/intsolns/mcst_sol/mibs.htm

It was correct a year ago. 

Andy

  From: Bill Fenner <fenner@research.att.com>
  
  A couple of brief MSDP MIB questions:
  
  1. Has anyone implemented the draft -06 or -07 (or, for that matter,
     any version)?  I'm curious if renumbering the OIDs would affect
     anyone.
  
  2. In the Requests table, does it make sense for longest-match to
     happen first, or highest priority first?
  
  3. I'm planning to delete msdpPeerEncapsulationType,
     msdpPeerInNotifications, msdpPeerOutNotifications, msdpPeerLastError
     to reflect evolution of the MSDP spec.  Can anyone think of any other
     changes relevant to the structure of the MIB?
  
  Thanks,
    Bill
  



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        MBONE Deployment WG (MBONED)
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        Tuesday, July 15, 2003 (0900-1130 Morning Sessions)

        Draft Agenda
        ------------

        Agenda Bashing                                              5 minutes
        Meyer/All

        Embedding the Address of RP in IPv6 Multicast Address      20 minutes
        draft-savola-mboned-mcast-rpaddr-03.txt         
        Pekka Savola

        Multicast Source Discovery Protocol Deployment Scenarios   20 minutes
        draft-ietf-mboned-msdp-deploy-02.txt
        Mike McBride

        MSDP Spec Update
        draft-ietf-msdp-spec-20.txt                                10 minutes
        Mike McBride

        MSDP MIB Issues
        draft-ietf-msdp-mib-07.txt                                 10 minutes
        Meyer (Bill Fenner, Dave Thaler)

        MCOP Issues                                                15 minutes
        draft-lehtonen-magma-mcop-03.txt
        draft-lehtonen-mboned-mcop-operation-00.txt
        draft-vatiainen-mcop-cops-ps-00.txt
        Rami Lehtonen

        Framework for Deploying IP Multicast in IPv6               30 minutes
        draft-giuliano-mboned-v6mcast-framework-00.txt
        Lenny Giuliano

        IPv6 Multicast Addressing -- IANA Considerations           10 minutes
        Meyer/All


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        MBONE Deployment WG (MBONED)
        ============================
        
        Tuesday, July 15, 2003 (0900-1130 Morning Sessions)

        Draft Agenda
        ------------

        Agenda Bashing                                              5 minutes
        Meyer/All

        Embedding the Address of RP in IPv6 Multicast Address      20 minutes
        draft-savola-mboned-mcast-rpaddr-03.txt         
        Pekka Savola

        Multicast Source Discovery Protocol Deployment Scenarios   20 minutes
        draft-ietf-mboned-msdp-deploy-02.txt
        Mike McBride

        MSDP Spec Update
        draft-ietf-msdp-spec-20.txt                                10 minutes
        Mike McBride

        MSDP MIB Issues
        draft-ietf-msdp-mib-07.txt                                 10 minutes
        Meyer (Bill Fenner, Dave Thaler)

        MCOP Issues                                                15 minutes
        draft-lehtonen-magma-mcop-03.txt
        draft-lehtonen-mboned-mcop-operation-00.txt
        draft-vatiainen-mcop-cops-ps-00.txt
        Rami Lehtonen

        Framework for Deploying IP Multicast in IPv6               30 minutes
        draft-giuliano-mboned-v6mcast-framework-00.txt
        Lenny Giuliano

        IPv6 Multicast Addressing -- IANA Considerations           10 minutes
        Meyer/All


