From msec-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 01 13:39:23 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HMqB1-0006VA-5D; Thu, 01 Mar 2007 13:38:51 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HMqB0-0006OQ-EK for msec@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Mar 2007 13:38:50 -0500 Received: from ithilien.qualcomm.com ([129.46.51.59]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HMqAy-0006ya-Tl for msec@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Mar 2007 13:38:50 -0500 Received: from neophyte.qualcomm.com (neophyte.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.149]) by ithilien.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id l21Icj02014982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 Mar 2007 10:38:45 -0800 Received: from [129.46.78.141] (ldondeti.na.qualcomm.com [129.46.78.141]) by neophyte.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/1.0) with ESMTP id l21Ici7J014890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 1 Mar 2007 10:38:44 -0800 Message-ID: <45E71D6B.6080303@qualcomm.com> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:37:31 -0800 From: Lakshminath Dondeti User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (Windows/20070116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: msec@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 Cc: Ran Canetti Subject: [MSEC] Call for agenda items X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, I am swamped with the deadlines as are most of you, I reckon. After the deadline, I am going to pick up on the LCs etc. But, when you find time, please let Ran and me know what we should be discussing at the Prague meeting. thanks, Lakshminath for Ran and Lakshminath _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 01 13:39:23 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HMqB1-0006VA-5D; Thu, 01 Mar 2007 13:38:51 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HMqB0-0006OQ-EK for msec@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Mar 2007 13:38:50 -0500 Received: from ithilien.qualcomm.com ([129.46.51.59]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HMqAy-0006ya-Tl for msec@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Mar 2007 13:38:50 -0500 Received: from neophyte.qualcomm.com (neophyte.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.149]) by ithilien.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id l21Icj02014982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 Mar 2007 10:38:45 -0800 Received: from [129.46.78.141] (ldondeti.na.qualcomm.com [129.46.78.141]) by neophyte.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/1.0) with ESMTP id l21Ici7J014890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 1 Mar 2007 10:38:44 -0800 Message-ID: <45E71D6B.6080303@qualcomm.com> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:37:31 -0800 From: Lakshminath Dondeti User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (Windows/20070116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: msec@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 Cc: Ran Canetti Subject: [MSEC] Call for agenda items X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, I am swamped with the deadlines as are most of you, I reckon. After the deadline, I am going to pick up on the LCs etc. But, when you find time, please let Ran and me know what we should be discussing at the Prague meeting. thanks, Lakshminath for Ran and Lakshminath _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 05 16:53:21 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HOL74-0000NO-Tf; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 16:52:58 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HOL73-0000NB-OM for msec@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 16:52:57 -0500 Received: from ithilien.qualcomm.com ([129.46.51.59]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HOL6c-0008TB-J2 for msec@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 16:52:57 -0500 Received: from sabrina.qualcomm.com (sabrina.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.150]) by ithilien.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id l25LqQrJ001778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 13:52:27 -0800 Received: from [129.46.78.141] (ldondeti.na.qualcomm.com [129.46.78.141]) by sabrina.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/1.0) with ESMTP id l25LqQBZ024076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 13:52:26 -0800 Message-ID: <45EC90D1.2050500@qualcomm.com> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 13:51:13 -0800 From: Lakshminath Dondeti User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (Windows/20070116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: msec@ietf.org References: <45E71D6B.6080303@qualcomm.com> In-Reply-To: <45E71D6B.6080303@qualcomm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7bac9cb154eb5790ae3b2913587a40de Cc: Ran Canetti Subject: [MSEC] Second Call for agenda items X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Folks, We have two hours for the MSEC meeting at the moment. I have only received a couple of responses so far. Please let me know ASAP what we might discuss at the meeting. If there is not a whole lot to discuss, we can consider cutting our time short to 1 hr so other WGs/BoFs can use the bigger time slot. thanks, Lakshminath _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 05 16:53:21 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HOL74-0000NO-Tf; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 16:52:58 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HOL73-0000NB-OM for msec@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 16:52:57 -0500 Received: from ithilien.qualcomm.com ([129.46.51.59]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HOL6c-0008TB-J2 for msec@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 16:52:57 -0500 Received: from sabrina.qualcomm.com (sabrina.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.150]) by ithilien.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id l25LqQrJ001778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 13:52:27 -0800 Received: from [129.46.78.141] (ldondeti.na.qualcomm.com [129.46.78.141]) by sabrina.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/1.0) with ESMTP id l25LqQBZ024076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 13:52:26 -0800 Message-ID: <45EC90D1.2050500@qualcomm.com> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 13:51:13 -0800 From: Lakshminath Dondeti User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (Windows/20070116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: msec@ietf.org References: <45E71D6B.6080303@qualcomm.com> In-Reply-To: <45E71D6B.6080303@qualcomm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7bac9cb154eb5790ae3b2913587a40de Cc: Ran Canetti Subject: [MSEC] Second Call for agenda items X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Folks, We have two hours for the MSEC meeting at the moment. I have only received a couple of responses so far. Please let me know ASAP what we might discuss at the meeting. If there is not a whole lot to discuss, we can consider cutting our time short to 1 hr so other WGs/BoFs can use the bigger time slot. thanks, Lakshminath _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 08 00:56:37 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPBbs-00070j-I4; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:56:16 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPBbq-00070Y-Tt for msec@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:56:14 -0500 Received: from ithilien.qualcomm.com ([129.46.51.59]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPBbp-0004vd-Je for msec@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:56:14 -0500 Received: from neophyte.qualcomm.com (neophyte.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.149]) by ithilien.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id l285uCAB018083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 21:56:12 -0800 Received: from [10.50.77.112] (qconnect-10-50-77-112.qualcomm.com [10.50.77.112]) by neophyte.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/1.0) with ESMTP id l285u33v015461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 21:56:03 -0800 Message-ID: <45EFA529.1040601@qualcomm.com> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:54:49 -0800 From: Lakshminath Dondeti User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (Windows/20070116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: msec@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Subject: [MSEC] Agenda ? X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, I have checked my mailbox again and found that we really only have 1 presentation request (from Adrian on GDOI-SRTP). I want to make a couple of presentations, one on WG status and another on GKDP (if I get to finish it before the meeting). It also appears that many of the regular contributors won't be attending the meeting in Prague. Should we be canceling the meeting? Could people send me an offline email if they plan to attend and also what topics they might be interested in? It is a busy week at the IETF and if other people can better use the meeting time, we should yield to them if we don't have any need for meeting time. thanks, Lakshminath _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 08 00:56:37 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPBbs-00070j-I4; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:56:16 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPBbq-00070Y-Tt for msec@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:56:14 -0500 Received: from ithilien.qualcomm.com ([129.46.51.59]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPBbp-0004vd-Je for msec@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:56:14 -0500 Received: from neophyte.qualcomm.com (neophyte.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.149]) by ithilien.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id l285uCAB018083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 21:56:12 -0800 Received: from [10.50.77.112] (qconnect-10-50-77-112.qualcomm.com [10.50.77.112]) by neophyte.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/1.0) with ESMTP id l285u33v015461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 21:56:03 -0800 Message-ID: <45EFA529.1040601@qualcomm.com> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:54:49 -0800 From: Lakshminath Dondeti User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (Windows/20070116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: msec@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Subject: [MSEC] Agenda ? X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, I have checked my mailbox again and found that we really only have 1 presentation request (from Adrian on GDOI-SRTP). I want to make a couple of presentations, one on WG status and another on GKDP (if I get to finish it before the meeting). It also appears that many of the regular contributors won't be attending the meeting in Prague. Should we be canceling the meeting? Could people send me an offline email if they plan to attend and also what topics they might be interested in? It is a busy week at the IETF and if other people can better use the meeting time, we should yield to them if we don't have any need for meeting time. thanks, Lakshminath _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 08 00:57:03 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPBcZ-0007Cv-9V; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:56:59 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPBcY-0007Cn-Pg for msec@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:56:58 -0500 Received: from numenor.qualcomm.com ([129.46.51.58]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPBcX-00052E-F7 for msec@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:56:58 -0500 Received: from totoro.qualcomm.com (totoro.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.158]) by numenor.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id l285uue8029585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 21:56:56 -0800 Received: from [10.50.77.112] (qconnect-10-50-77-112.qualcomm.com [10.50.77.112]) by totoro.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/1.0) with ESMTP id l285ut8k021654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 21:56:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45EFA55D.8060200@qualcomm.com> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:55:41 -0800 From: Lakshminath Dondeti User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (Windows/20070116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: msec@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Subject: [MSEC] Agenda ? X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, I have checked my mailbox again and found that we really only have 1 presentation request (from Adrian on GDOI-SRTP). I want to make a couple of presentations, one on WG status and another on GKDP (if I get to finish it before the meeting). It also appears that many of the regular contributors won't be attending the meeting in Prague. Should we be canceling the meeting? It is a busy week at the IETF and if other people can better use the meeting time, we should yield to them if we don't have any need for meeting time. Please send me an offline email if you plan to attend and also what topics are of interest to you. thanks, Lakshminath _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 08 00:57:03 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPBcZ-0007Cv-9V; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:56:59 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPBcY-0007Cn-Pg for msec@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:56:58 -0500 Received: from numenor.qualcomm.com ([129.46.51.58]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPBcX-00052E-F7 for msec@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:56:58 -0500 Received: from totoro.qualcomm.com (totoro.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.158]) by numenor.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id l285uue8029585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 21:56:56 -0800 Received: from [10.50.77.112] (qconnect-10-50-77-112.qualcomm.com [10.50.77.112]) by totoro.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/1.0) with ESMTP id l285ut8k021654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 21:56:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45EFA55D.8060200@qualcomm.com> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:55:41 -0800 From: Lakshminath Dondeti User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (Windows/20070116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: msec@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Subject: [MSEC] Agenda ? X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, I have checked my mailbox again and found that we really only have 1 presentation request (from Adrian on GDOI-SRTP). I want to make a couple of presentations, one on WG status and another on GKDP (if I get to finish it before the meeting). It also appears that many of the regular contributors won't be attending the meeting in Prague. Should we be canceling the meeting? It is a busy week at the IETF and if other people can better use the meeting time, we should yield to them if we don't have any need for meeting time. Please send me an offline email if you plan to attend and also what topics are of interest to you. thanks, Lakshminath _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 08 01:09:01 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPBo1-0005Ow-T2; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 01:08:49 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPBo0-0005Oo-Cw for msec@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 01:08:48 -0500 Received: from ithilien.qualcomm.com ([129.46.51.59]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPBnz-0001gD-0p for msec@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 01:08:48 -0500 Received: from sabrina.qualcomm.com (sabrina.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.150]) by ithilien.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id l2868jWm018955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 22:08:46 -0800 Received: from [10.50.77.112] (qconnect-10-50-77-112.qualcomm.com [10.50.77.112]) by sabrina.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/1.0) with ESMTP id l2868jSB023365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 22:08:45 -0800 Message-ID: <45EFA823.7050507@qualcomm.com> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 22:07:31 -0800 From: Lakshminath Dondeti User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (Windows/20070116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: msec@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2eba37fe9c77781b0ecb0a74d8c65128 Subject: [MSEC] Apologies for sending the slightly edited versions of essentially the same message :) X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 08 01:09:01 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPBo1-0005Ow-T2; 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charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2eba37fe9c77781b0ecb0a74d8c65128 Subject: [MSEC] Apologies for sending the slightly edited versions of essentially the same message :) X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 09 16:44:05 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPmsF-0007uh-OP; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:43:39 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPmsD-0007uU-IY for msec@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:43:37 -0500 Received: from numenor.qualcomm.com ([129.46.51.58]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPmsC-0000CR-6L for msec@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:43:37 -0500 Received: from sabrina.qualcomm.com (sabrina.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.150]) by numenor.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id l29LhVO7011890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Mar 2007 13:43:31 -0800 Received: from [129.46.78.141] (ldondeti.na.qualcomm.com [129.46.78.141]) by sabrina.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/1.0) with ESMTP id l29LhU9O026623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 9 Mar 2007 13:43:30 -0800 Message-ID: <45F1D4B8.1010408@qualcomm.com> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 13:42:16 -0800 From: Lakshminath Dondeti User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (Windows/20070116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: msec@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 Cc: tim.polk@nist.gov, Russ Housley , Ran Canetti Subject: [MSEC] How about canceling the MSEC meeting in Prague? X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, I haven't heard from anyone who is interested in attending MSEC :) and so I am considering canceling the meeting. Adrian wants to present GDOI-SRTP, but if we don't have any audience, well, I will just talk to him offline about his work. Vincent will be presenting tesla-for-alc-norm at RMT (the issues up for discussion are more relevant to that WG). Any thoughts? regards, Lakshminath _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 09 16:44:05 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPmsF-0007uh-OP; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:43:39 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPmsD-0007uU-IY for msec@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:43:37 -0500 Received: from numenor.qualcomm.com ([129.46.51.58]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPmsC-0000CR-6L for msec@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:43:37 -0500 Received: from sabrina.qualcomm.com (sabrina.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.150]) by numenor.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id l29LhVO7011890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Mar 2007 13:43:31 -0800 Received: from [129.46.78.141] (ldondeti.na.qualcomm.com [129.46.78.141]) by sabrina.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/1.0) with ESMTP id l29LhU9O026623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 9 Mar 2007 13:43:30 -0800 Message-ID: <45F1D4B8.1010408@qualcomm.com> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 13:42:16 -0800 From: Lakshminath Dondeti User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (Windows/20070116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: msec@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 Cc: tim.polk@nist.gov, Russ Housley , Ran Canetti Subject: [MSEC] How about canceling the MSEC meeting in Prague? X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, I haven't heard from anyone who is interested in attending MSEC :) and so I am considering canceling the meeting. Adrian wants to present GDOI-SRTP, but if we don't have any audience, well, I will just talk to him offline about his work. Vincent will be presenting tesla-for-alc-norm at RMT (the issues up for discussion are more relevant to that WG). Any thoughts? regards, Lakshminath _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 09 17:15:58 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPnNW-0007ql-6t; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:15:58 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPnNV-0007qg-IF for msec@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:15:57 -0500 Received: from woodstock.binhost.com ([66.150.120.2]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPnNU-0001L5-Av for msec@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:15:57 -0500 Received: (qmail 12598 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2007 22:09:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO THINKPADR52.vigilsec.com) (72.66.14.186) by woodstock.binhost.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2007 22:09:00 -0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:09:03 -0500 To: Lakshminath Dondeti ,msec@ietf.org From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <45F1D4B8.1010408@qualcomm.com> References: <45F1D4B8.1010408@qualcomm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 Cc: tim.polk@nist.gov, Ran Canetti Subject: [MSEC] Re: How about canceling the MSEC meeting in Prague? X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Message-Id: How will this impact the working group wrapping up draft-ietf-msec-ipsec-extensions? In my opinion, this is the most pressing thing for the MSEC WG to finish. Russ At 04:42 PM 3/9/2007, Lakshminath Dondeti wrote: >Hi all, > >I haven't heard from anyone who is interested in attending MSEC :) >and so I am considering canceling the meeting. > >Adrian wants to present GDOI-SRTP, but if we don't have any >audience, well, I will just talk to him offline about his >work. Vincent will be presenting tesla-for-alc-norm at RMT (the >issues up for discussion are more relevant to that WG). > >Any thoughts? > >regards, >Lakshminath > _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 09 17:15:58 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPnNW-0007ql-6t; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:15:58 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPnNV-0007qg-IF for msec@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:15:57 -0500 Received: from woodstock.binhost.com ([66.150.120.2]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPnNU-0001L5-Av for msec@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:15:57 -0500 Received: (qmail 12598 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2007 22:09:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO THINKPADR52.vigilsec.com) (72.66.14.186) by woodstock.binhost.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2007 22:09:00 -0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:09:03 -0500 To: Lakshminath Dondeti ,msec@ietf.org From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <45F1D4B8.1010408@qualcomm.com> References: <45F1D4B8.1010408@qualcomm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 Cc: tim.polk@nist.gov, Ran Canetti Subject: [MSEC] Re: How about canceling the MSEC meeting in Prague? X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Message-Id: How will this impact the working group wrapping up draft-ietf-msec-ipsec-extensions? In my opinion, this is the most pressing thing for the MSEC WG to finish. Russ At 04:42 PM 3/9/2007, Lakshminath Dondeti wrote: >Hi all, > >I haven't heard from anyone who is interested in attending MSEC :) >and so I am considering canceling the meeting. > >Adrian wants to present GDOI-SRTP, but if we don't have any >audience, well, I will just talk to him offline about his >work. Vincent will be presenting tesla-for-alc-norm at RMT (the >issues up for discussion are more relevant to that WG). > >Any thoughts? > >regards, >Lakshminath > _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 09 17:32:53 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPndo-000267-NX; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:32:48 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPndn-00025B-CD for msec@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:32:47 -0500 Received: from numenor.qualcomm.com ([129.46.51.58]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPndk-0001OK-UB for msec@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:32:47 -0500 Received: from totoro.qualcomm.com (totoro.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.158]) by numenor.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id l29MTWwG016982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:29:32 -0800 Received: from [129.46.78.141] (ldondeti.na.qualcomm.com [129.46.78.141]) by totoro.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/1.0) with ESMTP id l29MTVFn006735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:29:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45F1DF82.7050605@qualcomm.com> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 14:28:18 -0800 From: Lakshminath Dondeti User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (Windows/20070116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russ Housley References: <45F1D4B8.1010408@qualcomm.com> <200703092209.l29M9BRM009744@moria.qualcomm.com> In-Reply-To: <200703092209.l29M9BRM009744@moria.qualcomm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bb8f917bb6b8da28fc948aeffb74aa17 Cc: msec@ietf.org, tim.polk@nist.gov, Ran Canetti Subject: [MSEC] Re: How about canceling the MSEC meeting in Prague? X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org None of the authors will be there at the meeting. My plan is to talk to them next week to see what if anything needs to be done and forward it to you. I think we are done at the MSEC and IPSEC level with that draft; but I need the same confirmation from the authors and Ran too before forwarding it to you/Tim (I also wanted to read it one more time before sending it to you; but I can do that rather quickly). thanks, Lakshminath Russ Housley wrote: > How will this impact the working group wrapping up > draft-ietf-msec-ipsec-extensions? In my opinion, this is the most > pressing thing for the MSEC WG to finish. > > Russ > > At 04:42 PM 3/9/2007, Lakshminath Dondeti wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I haven't heard from anyone who is interested in attending MSEC :) and >> so I am considering canceling the meeting. >> >> Adrian wants to present GDOI-SRTP, but if we don't have any audience, >> well, I will just talk to him offline about his work. Vincent will be >> presenting tesla-for-alc-norm at RMT (the issues up for discussion are >> more relevant to that WG). >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> regards, >> Lakshminath >> > > _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 09 17:32:53 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPndo-000267-NX; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:32:48 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPndn-00025B-CD for msec@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:32:47 -0500 Received: from numenor.qualcomm.com ([129.46.51.58]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPndk-0001OK-UB for msec@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:32:47 -0500 Received: from totoro.qualcomm.com (totoro.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.158]) by numenor.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id l29MTWwG016982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:29:32 -0800 Received: from [129.46.78.141] (ldondeti.na.qualcomm.com [129.46.78.141]) by totoro.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/1.0) with ESMTP id l29MTVFn006735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:29:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <45F1DF82.7050605@qualcomm.com> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 14:28:18 -0800 From: Lakshminath Dondeti User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (Windows/20070116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russ Housley References: <45F1D4B8.1010408@qualcomm.com> <200703092209.l29M9BRM009744@moria.qualcomm.com> In-Reply-To: <200703092209.l29M9BRM009744@moria.qualcomm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bb8f917bb6b8da28fc948aeffb74aa17 Cc: msec@ietf.org, tim.polk@nist.gov, Ran Canetti Subject: [MSEC] Re: How about canceling the MSEC meeting in Prague? X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org None of the authors will be there at the meeting. My plan is to talk to them next week to see what if anything needs to be done and forward it to you. I think we are done at the MSEC and IPSEC level with that draft; but I need the same confirmation from the authors and Ran too before forwarding it to you/Tim (I also wanted to read it one more time before sending it to you; but I can do that rather quickly). thanks, Lakshminath Russ Housley wrote: > How will this impact the working group wrapping up > draft-ietf-msec-ipsec-extensions? In my opinion, this is the most > pressing thing for the MSEC WG to finish. > > Russ > > At 04:42 PM 3/9/2007, Lakshminath Dondeti wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I haven't heard from anyone who is interested in attending MSEC :) and >> so I am considering canceling the meeting. >> >> Adrian wants to present GDOI-SRTP, but if we don't have any audience, >> well, I will just talk to him offline about his work. Vincent will be >> presenting tesla-for-alc-norm at RMT (the issues up for discussion are >> more relevant to that WG). >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> regards, >> Lakshminath >> > > _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 09 22:24:26 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPsBk-0001zh-Ph; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 22:24:08 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPsBj-0001zX-Ki for msec@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 22:24:07 -0500 Received: from mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp ([2001:200:0:8803:203:47ff:fedf:73a6]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPsBi-0006pq-3G for msec@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 22:24:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (ZC185163.ppp.dion.ne.jp [221.119.185.163]) by mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B0AA4D909; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:23:46 +0900 (JST) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:25:43 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20070310.122543.85413667.asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp> To: ldondeti@qualcomm.com Subject: Re: [MSEC] How about canceling the MSEC meeting in Prague? From: Hitoshi Asaeda In-Reply-To: <45F1D4B8.1010408@qualcomm.com> References: <45F1D4B8.1010408@qualcomm.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 5.1 on Emacs 21.4 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Cc: msec@ietf.org, canetti@csail.mit.edu, housley@vigilsec.com, tim.polk@nist.gov X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org > I haven't heard from anyone who is interested in attending MSEC :) and > so I am considering canceling the meeting. > > Adrian wants to present GDOI-SRTP, but if we don't have any audience, > well, I will just talk to him offline about his work. Vincent will be > presenting tesla-for-alc-norm at RMT (the issues up for discussion are > more relevant to that WG). > > Any thoughts? Although most things could be discussed in the mailing-list, the face-to-face meeting is in general productive. At least, I personally want to listen or join the discussion for current active drafts. Knowing the future view (not just about conclusion) of this WG is also interesting. -- Hitoshi Asaeda _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 09 22:24:26 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPsBk-0001zh-Ph; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 22:24:08 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPsBj-0001zX-Ki for msec@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 22:24:07 -0500 Received: from mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp ([2001:200:0:8803:203:47ff:fedf:73a6]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPsBi-0006pq-3G for msec@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 22:24:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (ZC185163.ppp.dion.ne.jp [221.119.185.163]) by mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B0AA4D909; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:23:46 +0900 (JST) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:25:43 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20070310.122543.85413667.asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp> To: ldondeti@qualcomm.com Subject: Re: [MSEC] How about canceling the MSEC meeting in Prague? From: Hitoshi Asaeda In-Reply-To: <45F1D4B8.1010408@qualcomm.com> References: <45F1D4B8.1010408@qualcomm.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 5.1 on Emacs 21.4 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Cc: msec@ietf.org, canetti@csail.mit.edu, housley@vigilsec.com, tim.polk@nist.gov X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org > I haven't heard from anyone who is interested in attending MSEC :) and > so I am considering canceling the meeting. > > Adrian wants to present GDOI-SRTP, but if we don't have any audience, > well, I will just talk to him offline about his work. Vincent will be > presenting tesla-for-alc-norm at RMT (the issues up for discussion are > more relevant to that WG). > > Any thoughts? Although most things could be discussed in the mailing-list, the face-to-face meeting is in general productive. At least, I personally want to listen or join the discussion for current active drafts. Knowing the future view (not just about conclusion) of this WG is also interesting. -- Hitoshi Asaeda _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 09 22:31:30 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPsIn-0005xL-Vt; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 22:31:25 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPsIm-0005xC-Hz for msec@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 22:31:24 -0500 Received: from mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp ([2001:200:0:8803:203:47ff:fedf:73a6]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPsIl-0000nl-6M for msec@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 22:31:24 -0500 Received: from localhost (ZC185163.ppp.dion.ne.jp [221.119.185.163]) by mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EFFE4D901; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:31:22 +0900 (JST) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:33:18 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20070310.123318.21931391.asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp> To: ldondeti@qualcomm.com Subject: Re: [MSEC] How about canceling the MSEC meeting in Prague? From: Hitoshi Asaeda In-Reply-To: <20070310.122543.85413667.asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp> References: <45F1D4B8.1010408@qualcomm.com> <20070310.122543.85413667.asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp> X-Mailer: Mew version 5.1 on Emacs 21.4 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 Cc: msec@ietf.org, tim.polk@nist.gov, housley@vigilsec.com, canetti@csail.mit.edu X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org > Although most things could be discussed in the mailing-list, the > face-to-face meeting is in general productive. At least, I personally > want to listen or join the discussion for current active drafts. > Knowing the future view (not just about conclusion) of this WG is also > interesting. Ah, this means I'll attend the meeting if it's not canceled.:) -- Hitoshi Asaeda _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 09 22:31:31 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPsIn-0005xL-Vt; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 22:31:25 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPsIm-0005xC-Hz for msec@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 22:31:24 -0500 Received: from mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp ([2001:200:0:8803:203:47ff:fedf:73a6]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HPsIl-0000nl-6M for msec@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 22:31:24 -0500 Received: from localhost (ZC185163.ppp.dion.ne.jp [221.119.185.163]) by mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EFFE4D901; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:31:22 +0900 (JST) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:33:18 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20070310.123318.21931391.asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp> To: ldondeti@qualcomm.com Subject: Re: [MSEC] How about canceling the MSEC meeting in Prague? From: Hitoshi Asaeda In-Reply-To: <20070310.122543.85413667.asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp> References: <45F1D4B8.1010408@qualcomm.com> <20070310.122543.85413667.asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp> X-Mailer: Mew version 5.1 on Emacs 21.4 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 Cc: msec@ietf.org, tim.polk@nist.gov, housley@vigilsec.com, canetti@csail.mit.edu X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org > Although most things could be discussed in the mailing-list, the > face-to-face meeting is in general productive. At least, I personally > want to listen or join the discussion for current active drafts. > Knowing the future view (not just about conclusion) of this WG is also > interesting. Ah, this means I'll attend the meeting if it's not canceled.:) -- Hitoshi Asaeda _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 12 19:10:18 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQteO-0002w4-6j; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:09:56 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQteN-0002vv-6z; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:09:55 -0400 Received: from ithilien.qualcomm.com ([129.46.51.59]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQteL-0008K1-SI; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:09:55 -0400 Received: from sabrina.qualcomm.com (sabrina.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.150]) by ithilien.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id l2CN9pBP007871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:09:51 -0700 Received: from [10.50.76.185] (qconnect-10-50-76-185.qualcomm.com [10.50.76.185]) by sabrina.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/1.0) with ESMTP id l2CN9nFb019859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:09:50 -0700 Message-ID: <45F5DDB7.9070402@qualcomm.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:09:43 -0700 From: Lakshminath Dondeti User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (Windows/20070116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: msec@ietf.org References: <45F1D4B8.1010408@qualcomm.com> In-Reply-To: <45F1D4B8.1010408@qualcomm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 Cc: tim.polk@nist.gov, IETF Agenda , Russ Housley , Ran Canetti Subject: [MSEC] Canceled --- MSEC meeting in Prague X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, I am canceling the MSEC meeting in Prague. I barely got a response from the list for my question on whether to cancel the MSEC meeting. I know that a few people will show up if we held the meeting, but it will not be productive in any sense of the word. For those interested in the status of the WG, I will ask to be included in the SAAG list of WG reporting roll call, and present a summary there. Please attend that meeting. Thank you. Please feel free to send me email if you are going to be around; we can probably get together for lunch or something. best regards, Lakshminath _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 12 19:10:18 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQteO-0002w4-6j; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:09:56 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQteN-0002vv-6z; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:09:55 -0400 Received: from ithilien.qualcomm.com ([129.46.51.59]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQteL-0008K1-SI; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:09:55 -0400 Received: from sabrina.qualcomm.com (sabrina.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.150]) by ithilien.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id l2CN9pBP007871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:09:51 -0700 Received: from [10.50.76.185] (qconnect-10-50-76-185.qualcomm.com [10.50.76.185]) by sabrina.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/1.0) with ESMTP id l2CN9nFb019859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:09:50 -0700 Message-ID: <45F5DDB7.9070402@qualcomm.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:09:43 -0700 From: Lakshminath Dondeti User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (Windows/20070116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: msec@ietf.org References: <45F1D4B8.1010408@qualcomm.com> In-Reply-To: <45F1D4B8.1010408@qualcomm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 Cc: tim.polk@nist.gov, IETF Agenda , Russ Housley , Ran Canetti Subject: [MSEC] Canceled --- MSEC meeting in Prague X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, I am canceling the MSEC meeting in Prague. I barely got a response from the list for my question on whether to cancel the MSEC meeting. I know that a few people will show up if we held the meeting, but it will not be productive in any sense of the word. For those interested in the status of the WG, I will ask to be included in the SAAG list of WG reporting roll call, and present a summary there. Please attend that meeting. Thank you. Please feel free to send me email if you are going to be around; we can probably get together for lunch or something. best regards, Lakshminath _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Tue Mar 13 03:37:26 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HR1ZB-0006V5-8s; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 03:37:05 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HR1ZA-0006S9-Gn for msec@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 03:37:04 -0400 Received: from w132233.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp ([121.1.132.233] helo=mama.tanu.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HR1Z8-0007b7-R7 for msec@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 03:37:04 -0400 Received: from [192.168.248.128] (cp.64translator.com [202.214.123.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mama.tanu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 876C01A7BE5 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:37:01 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <45F65499.1060506@tanu.org> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:36:57 +0900 From: Shoichi Sakane User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5.0.9 (X11/20070106) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: msec@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a Subject: [MSEC] question about usage of each protocol X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, Before closing this WG, though I am not sure that members want to do so, please let me ask members in this WG. >From the first sentence of the charter: The purpose of the MSEC WG is to standardize protocols for securing group communication over internets, and in particular over the global Internet. There are four different core protocols (GSAKMP, GDOI, MIKEY, GKDP) so far. My simple question is what protocol should be used, and what situation it should be used in ? I admit that it is obviously clear that there are so many environment of users. So four protocols are going to be standardized. I think that each specification should define the target itself, otherwise users must be confused and misuse it. That is not for global internetworking. The MIKEY's document seems clarifying its target. However others don't seem so. At least, this WG or the authors have to specify advantages/disadvantages of the protocol and the target. I believe that it is one of the important tasks for a WG in the IETF to make systems to be interoperable, and to be usable. Otherwise a standardization is not needed, is it ? Please correct me if my understanding is not correct. Regards, _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Tue Mar 13 03:37:26 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HR1ZB-0006V5-8s; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 03:37:05 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HR1ZA-0006S9-Gn for msec@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 03:37:04 -0400 Received: from w132233.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp ([121.1.132.233] helo=mama.tanu.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HR1Z8-0007b7-R7 for msec@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 03:37:04 -0400 Received: from [192.168.248.128] (cp.64translator.com [202.214.123.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mama.tanu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 876C01A7BE5 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:37:01 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <45F65499.1060506@tanu.org> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:36:57 +0900 From: Shoichi Sakane User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5.0.9 (X11/20070106) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: msec@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a Subject: [MSEC] question about usage of each protocol X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, Before closing this WG, though I am not sure that members want to do so, please let me ask members in this WG. >From the first sentence of the charter: The purpose of the MSEC WG is to standardize protocols for securing group communication over internets, and in particular over the global Internet. There are four different core protocols (GSAKMP, GDOI, MIKEY, GKDP) so far. My simple question is what protocol should be used, and what situation it should be used in ? I admit that it is obviously clear that there are so many environment of users. So four protocols are going to be standardized. I think that each specification should define the target itself, otherwise users must be confused and misuse it. That is not for global internetworking. The MIKEY's document seems clarifying its target. However others don't seem so. At least, this WG or the authors have to specify advantages/disadvantages of the protocol and the target. I believe that it is one of the important tasks for a WG in the IETF to make systems to be interoperable, and to be usable. Otherwise a standardization is not needed, is it ? Please correct me if my understanding is not correct. Regards, _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Tue Mar 13 13:00:12 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRALj-00033A-Ir; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:59:47 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRALi-000333-Lh for msec@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:59:46 -0400 Received: from gecko.sbs.de ([194.138.37.40]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRALe-0007d4-3Y for msec@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:59:46 -0400 Received: from mail1.sbs.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gecko.sbs.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l2DGxSgd024430; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:59:28 +0100 Received: from fthw9xoa.ww002.siemens.net (fthw9xoa.ww002.siemens.net [157.163.133.201]) by mail1.sbs.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l2DGxPCB023601; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:59:26 +0100 Received: from MCHP7I6A.ww002.siemens.net ([139.25.131.137]) by fthw9xoa.ww002.siemens.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:59:25 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [MSEC] Re: How about canceling the MSEC meeting in Prague? Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:59:25 +0100 Message-ID: <6A18D243963B7447AC1A36583F78EEDA01AF8A98@MCHP7I6A.ww002.siemens.net> In-Reply-To: <45F1DF82.7050605@qualcomm.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [MSEC] Re: How about canceling the MSEC meeting in Prague? Thread-Index: Acdimv06ZvSMqkeqRKqRB0gSR3D4jAB7BqvA References: <45F1D4B8.1010408@qualcomm.com><200703092209.l29M9BRM009744@moria.qualcomm.com> <45F1DF82.7050605@qualcomm.com> From: "Fries, Steffen" To: "Lakshminath Dondeti" , "Russ Housley" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2007 16:59:25.0773 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4A887D0:01C76590] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0a7aa2e6e558383d84476dc338324fab Cc: msec@ietf.org, Ran Canetti , tim.polk@nist.gov X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Hi Lakshminath, I will attend the meeting too. Ciao Steffen=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Lakshminath Dondeti [mailto:ldondeti@qualcomm.com]=20 > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 11:28 PM > To: Russ Housley > Cc: msec@ietf.org; tim.polk@nist.gov; Ran Canetti > Subject: [MSEC] Re: How about canceling the MSEC meeting in Prague? >=20 > None of the authors will be there at the meeting. My plan is=20 > to talk to them next week to see what if anything needs to be=20 > done and forward it to you. I think we are done at the MSEC=20 > and IPSEC level with that draft; but I need the same=20 > confirmation from the authors and Ran too before forwarding=20 > it to you/Tim (I also wanted to read it one more time before=20 > sending it to you; but I can do that rather quickly). >=20 > thanks, > Lakshminath >=20 > Russ Housley wrote: > > How will this impact the working group wrapping up=20 > > draft-ietf-msec-ipsec-extensions? In my opinion, this is the most=20 > > pressing thing for the MSEC WG to finish. > >=20 > > Russ > >=20 > > At 04:42 PM 3/9/2007, Lakshminath Dondeti wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I haven't heard from anyone who is interested in attending MSEC :)=20 > >> and so I am considering canceling the meeting. > >> > >> Adrian wants to present GDOI-SRTP, but if we don't have=20 > any audience,=20 > >> well, I will just talk to him offline about his work. =20 > Vincent will=20 > >> be presenting tesla-for-alc-norm at RMT (the issues up for=20 > discussion=20 > >> are more relevant to that WG). > >> > >> Any thoughts? > >> > >> regards, > >> Lakshminath > >> > >=20 > >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > MSEC mailing list > MSEC@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec >=20 _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Tue Mar 13 13:00:12 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRALj-00033A-Ir; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:59:47 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRALi-000333-Lh for msec@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:59:46 -0400 Received: from gecko.sbs.de ([194.138.37.40]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRALe-0007d4-3Y for msec@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:59:46 -0400 Received: from mail1.sbs.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gecko.sbs.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l2DGxSgd024430; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:59:28 +0100 Received: from fthw9xoa.ww002.siemens.net (fthw9xoa.ww002.siemens.net [157.163.133.201]) by mail1.sbs.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l2DGxPCB023601; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:59:26 +0100 Received: from MCHP7I6A.ww002.siemens.net ([139.25.131.137]) by fthw9xoa.ww002.siemens.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:59:25 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [MSEC] Re: How about canceling the MSEC meeting in Prague? Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:59:25 +0100 Message-ID: <6A18D243963B7447AC1A36583F78EEDA01AF8A98@MCHP7I6A.ww002.siemens.net> In-Reply-To: <45F1DF82.7050605@qualcomm.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [MSEC] Re: How about canceling the MSEC meeting in Prague? Thread-Index: Acdimv06ZvSMqkeqRKqRB0gSR3D4jAB7BqvA References: <45F1D4B8.1010408@qualcomm.com><200703092209.l29M9BRM009744@moria.qualcomm.com> <45F1DF82.7050605@qualcomm.com> From: "Fries, Steffen" To: "Lakshminath Dondeti" , "Russ Housley" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2007 16:59:25.0773 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4A887D0:01C76590] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0a7aa2e6e558383d84476dc338324fab Cc: msec@ietf.org, Ran Canetti , tim.polk@nist.gov X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Hi Lakshminath, I will attend the meeting too. Ciao Steffen=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Lakshminath Dondeti [mailto:ldondeti@qualcomm.com]=20 > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 11:28 PM > To: Russ Housley > Cc: msec@ietf.org; tim.polk@nist.gov; Ran Canetti > Subject: [MSEC] Re: How about canceling the MSEC meeting in Prague? >=20 > None of the authors will be there at the meeting. My plan is=20 > to talk to them next week to see what if anything needs to be=20 > done and forward it to you. I think we are done at the MSEC=20 > and IPSEC level with that draft; but I need the same=20 > confirmation from the authors and Ran too before forwarding=20 > it to you/Tim (I also wanted to read it one more time before=20 > sending it to you; but I can do that rather quickly). >=20 > thanks, > Lakshminath >=20 > Russ Housley wrote: > > How will this impact the working group wrapping up=20 > > draft-ietf-msec-ipsec-extensions? In my opinion, this is the most=20 > > pressing thing for the MSEC WG to finish. > >=20 > > Russ > >=20 > > At 04:42 PM 3/9/2007, Lakshminath Dondeti wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I haven't heard from anyone who is interested in attending MSEC :)=20 > >> and so I am considering canceling the meeting. > >> > >> Adrian wants to present GDOI-SRTP, but if we don't have=20 > any audience,=20 > >> well, I will just talk to him offline about his work. =20 > Vincent will=20 > >> be presenting tesla-for-alc-norm at RMT (the issues up for=20 > discussion=20 > >> are more relevant to that WG). > >> > >> Any thoughts? > >> > >> regards, > >> Lakshminath > >> > >=20 > >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > MSEC mailing list > MSEC@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec >=20 _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 14 13:46:48 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRXYD-0004E6-Oi; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:46:13 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRXYC-0004D5-8G for msec@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:46:12 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com ([171.71.176.117]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRXYA-0007lF-Sj for msec@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:46:12 -0400 Received: from sj-dkim-1.cisco.com ([171.71.179.21]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 14 Mar 2007 10:46:10 -0700 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2EHkA58026277; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:46:10 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-211.cisco.com [171.70.151.144]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l2EHk3MF008324; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:46:03 GMT Received: from xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.174]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:45:53 -0700 Received: from [192.168.0.10] ([10.21.113.24]) by xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:45:53 -0700 In-Reply-To: <45F65499.1060506@tanu.org> References: <45F65499.1060506@tanu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Baugher Subject: Re: [MSEC] question about usage of each protocol Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:45:44 -0700 To: Shoichi Sakane X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Mar 2007 17:45:53.0059 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C6C5F30:01C76660] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1871; t=1173894370; x=1174758370; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim1004; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=mbaugher@cisco.com; z=From:=20Mark=20Baugher=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[MSEC]=20question=20about=20usage=20of=20each=20proto col |Sender:=20; bh=+pACGkpfjv4F7Wz0kKFeQTGn0JOFvqp+USbBy/HQbBw=; b=ozwim0K0IKPNtcb1eUDY+drl/LWzPNaP0GIctbgUgAlvaI7McTHnoea6L6e3/017gaR3xfTr 8x+RtEuri63jI3MP49Svbgzv+NG0iI2M+uZwoGheNegerBwihDDnDM3JE4R57kydnK+OKnbLkj qT43dvUtF886VDj+PaKlpAzPE=; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-1; header.From=mbaugher@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim1004 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 82c9bddb247d9ba4471160a9a865a5f3 Cc: msec@ietf.org X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org hi, The major functional differences between GSAKMP and GDOI are that GDOI uses an ISAKMP header, uses an IKE Phase 1 security association, and is suitable for implementation using an IKE code base. I think it's fair to say that GSAKMP has some additional functionality over GDOI in the area of policy. Mark On Mar 13, 2007, at 12:36 AM, Shoichi Sakane wrote: > Hi all, > > Before closing this WG, though I am not sure that members want to > do so, > please let me ask members in this WG. > >> From the first sentence of the charter: > > The purpose of the MSEC WG is to standardize protocols for > securing > group communication over internets, and in particular over the > global > Internet. > > There are four different core protocols (GSAKMP, GDOI, MIKEY, GKDP) > so far. > My simple question is what protocol should be used, and what > situation it > should be used in ? I admit that it is obviously clear that there > are so > many environment of users. So four protocols are going to be > standardized. > I think that each specification should define the target itself, > otherwise > users must be confused and misuse it. That is not for global > internetworking. > > The MIKEY's document seems clarifying its target. However others > don't seem so. > At least, this WG or the authors have to specify advantages/ > disadvantages > of the protocol and the target. I believe that it is one of the > important > tasks for a WG in the IETF to make systems to be interoperable, and > to be usable. > Otherwise a standardization is not needed, is it ? > > Please correct me if my understanding is not correct. > > Regards, > > _______________________________________________ > MSEC mailing list > MSEC@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 14 13:46:48 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRXYD-0004E6-Oi; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:46:13 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRXYC-0004D5-8G for msec@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:46:12 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com ([171.71.176.117]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRXYA-0007lF-Sj for msec@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:46:12 -0400 Received: from sj-dkim-1.cisco.com ([171.71.179.21]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 14 Mar 2007 10:46:10 -0700 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2EHkA58026277; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:46:10 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-211.cisco.com [171.70.151.144]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l2EHk3MF008324; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:46:03 GMT Received: from xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.174]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:45:53 -0700 Received: from [192.168.0.10] ([10.21.113.24]) by xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:45:53 -0700 In-Reply-To: <45F65499.1060506@tanu.org> References: <45F65499.1060506@tanu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Baugher Subject: Re: [MSEC] question about usage of each protocol Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:45:44 -0700 To: Shoichi Sakane X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Mar 2007 17:45:53.0059 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C6C5F30:01C76660] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1871; t=1173894370; x=1174758370; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim1004; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=mbaugher@cisco.com; z=From:=20Mark=20Baugher=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[MSEC]=20question=20about=20usage=20of=20each=20proto col |Sender:=20; bh=+pACGkpfjv4F7Wz0kKFeQTGn0JOFvqp+USbBy/HQbBw=; b=ozwim0K0IKPNtcb1eUDY+drl/LWzPNaP0GIctbgUgAlvaI7McTHnoea6L6e3/017gaR3xfTr 8x+RtEuri63jI3MP49Svbgzv+NG0iI2M+uZwoGheNegerBwihDDnDM3JE4R57kydnK+OKnbLkj qT43dvUtF886VDj+PaKlpAzPE=; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-1; header.From=mbaugher@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim1004 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 82c9bddb247d9ba4471160a9a865a5f3 Cc: msec@ietf.org X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org hi, The major functional differences between GSAKMP and GDOI are that GDOI uses an ISAKMP header, uses an IKE Phase 1 security association, and is suitable for implementation using an IKE code base. I think it's fair to say that GSAKMP has some additional functionality over GDOI in the area of policy. Mark On Mar 13, 2007, at 12:36 AM, Shoichi Sakane wrote: > Hi all, > > Before closing this WG, though I am not sure that members want to > do so, > please let me ask members in this WG. > >> From the first sentence of the charter: > > The purpose of the MSEC WG is to standardize protocols for > securing > group communication over internets, and in particular over the > global > Internet. > > There are four different core protocols (GSAKMP, GDOI, MIKEY, GKDP) > so far. > My simple question is what protocol should be used, and what > situation it > should be used in ? I admit that it is obviously clear that there > are so > many environment of users. So four protocols are going to be > standardized. > I think that each specification should define the target itself, > otherwise > users must be confused and misuse it. That is not for global > internetworking. > > The MIKEY's document seems clarifying its target. However others > don't seem so. > At least, this WG or the authors have to specify advantages/ > disadvantages > of the protocol and the target. I believe that it is one of the > important > tasks for a WG in the IETF to make systems to be interoperable, and > to be usable. > Otherwise a standardization is not needed, is it ? > > Please correct me if my understanding is not correct. > > Regards, > > _______________________________________________ > MSEC mailing list > MSEC@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 14 14:13:23 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRXyK-0003pV-Q0; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:13:12 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRXyK-0003pP-0y for msec@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:13:12 -0400 Received: from m4.sparta.com ([157.185.61.2]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRXyH-0004WL-3U for msec@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:13:12 -0400 Received: from Beta5.sparta.com (beta5.sparta.com [157.185.63.21]) by M4.sparta.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2EICvBU005145; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:12:57 -0500 Received: from nemo.columbia.ads.sparta.com (nemo.columbia.sparta.com [157.185.80.75]) by Beta5.sparta.com (8.12.11/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2EICvGu010618; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:12:57 -0500 Received: from [157.185.81.181] ([157.185.81.181]) by nemo.columbia.ads.sparta.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:12:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: <45F65499.1060506@tanu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: From: Hugh Harney Subject: Re: [MSEC] question about usage of each protocol Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:12:56 -0400 To: Mark Baugher X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Mar 2007 18:12:57.0073 (UTC) FILETIME=[64693E10:01C76664] X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (M4.sparta.com [157.185.61.2]); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:12:57 -0500 (CDT) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4ec58ef3f343ebf5ac40a04538f9a6fc Cc: msec@ietf.org X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1137784631==" Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org --===============1137784631== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-25-167764782 --Apple-Mail-25-167764782 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To be a bit more specific: GSAKMP sends a policy token to ensure coordination of the group protections and access control mechanisms. GSAKMP also incorporates a distribution of operation concept with subordinate group controllers. Hugh Harney Technical Director IA Research hh@sparta.com (443) 430-8032 (443) 430-8181 fax Sparta, Inc. 7110 Samuel Morse Drive Columbia, MD, 21046 On Mar 14, 2007, at 1:45 PM, Mark Baugher wrote: > hi, > The major functional differences between GSAKMP and GDOI are that > GDOI uses an ISAKMP header, uses an IKE Phase 1 security > association, and is suitable for implementation using an IKE code > base. I think it's fair to say that GSAKMP has some additional > functionality over GDOI in the area of policy. > > Mark > > On Mar 13, 2007, at 12:36 AM, Shoichi Sakane wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Before closing this WG, though I am not sure that members want to >> do so, >> please let me ask members in this WG. >> >>> From the first sentence of the charter: >> >> The purpose of the MSEC WG is to standardize protocols for >> securing >> group communication over internets, and in particular over the >> global >> Internet. >> >> There are four different core protocols (GSAKMP, GDOI, MIKEY, >> GKDP) so far. >> My simple question is what protocol should be used, and what >> situation it >> should be used in ? I admit that it is obviously clear that there >> are so >> many environment of users. So four protocols are going to be >> standardized. >> I think that each specification should define the target itself, >> otherwise >> users must be confused and misuse it. That is not for global >> internetworking. >> >> The MIKEY's document seems clarifying its target. However others >> don't seem so. >> At least, this WG or the authors have to specify advantages/ >> disadvantages >> of the protocol and the target. I believe that it is one of the >> important >> tasks for a WG in the IETF to make systems to be interoperable, >> and to be usable. >> Otherwise a standardization is not needed, is it ? >> >> Please correct me if my understanding is not correct. >> >> Regards, >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MSEC mailing list >> MSEC@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec > > _______________________________________________ > MSEC mailing list > MSEC@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec --Apple-Mail-25-167764782 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
To be a bit more = specific:


GSAKMP sends a policy token = to ensure coordination of the group protections and access control = mechanisms. GSAKMP also incorporates a distribution of operation concept = with subordinate group controllers.



Hugh = Harney = = = = = = =

Technical = Director IA Research

hh@sparta.com

(443) = 430-8032

(443) 430-8181 fax


=A07110 Samuel = Morse Drive
Columbia, MD, = 21046

On Mar 14, 2007, at 1:45 = PM, Mark Baugher wrote:

hi,
=A0 The major functional = differences between GSAKMP and GDOI are that GDOI uses an ISAKMP header, = uses an IKE Phase 1 security association, and is suitable for = implementation using an IKE code base.=A0 I think it's fair to say that = GSAKMP has some additional functionality over GDOI in the area of = policy.

Mark

On Mar 13, 2007, at 12:36 AM, = Shoichi Sakane wrote:
Hi = all,

Before closing this WG, though I am not sure that = members want to do so,
please let me ask members = in this WG.

=
=46rom the first sentence = of the charter:

=A0 =A0 The purpose of the MSEC = WG is to standardize protocols for securing
=A0 =A0 group communication over = internets, and in particular over the global
=A0 =A0 = Internet.

There are four different core protocols (GSAKMP, = GDOI, MIKEY, GKDP) so far.
My simple = question is what protocol should be used, and what situation = it
should be used in ?=A0 I admit that it is obviously = clear that there are so
many = environment of users.=A0 So = four protocols are going to be standardized.
I think that each specification should define the = target itself, otherwise
users must be = confused and misuse it.=A0 = That is not for global internetworking.

The = MIKEY's document seems clarifying its target.=A0 However others don't seem = so.
At least, this WG or the authors = have to specify advantages/disadvantages
of the = protocol and the target.=A0 = I believe that it is one of the important
tasks for a WG in the IETF to make systems to be = interoperable, and to be usable.
Otherwise a = standardization is not needed, is it ?

Please = correct me if my understanding is not correct.


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= --Apple-Mail-25-167764782-- --===============1137784631== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec --===============1137784631==-- From msec-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 14 14:13:23 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRXyK-0003pV-Q0; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:13:12 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRXyK-0003pP-0y for msec@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:13:12 -0400 Received: from m4.sparta.com ([157.185.61.2]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRXyH-0004WL-3U for msec@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:13:12 -0400 Received: from Beta5.sparta.com (beta5.sparta.com [157.185.63.21]) by M4.sparta.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2EICvBU005145; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:12:57 -0500 Received: from nemo.columbia.ads.sparta.com (nemo.columbia.sparta.com [157.185.80.75]) by Beta5.sparta.com (8.12.11/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2EICvGu010618; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:12:57 -0500 Received: from [157.185.81.181] ([157.185.81.181]) by nemo.columbia.ads.sparta.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:12:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: <45F65499.1060506@tanu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: From: Hugh Harney Subject: Re: [MSEC] question about usage of each protocol Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:12:56 -0400 To: Mark Baugher X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Mar 2007 18:12:57.0073 (UTC) FILETIME=[64693E10:01C76664] X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (M4.sparta.com [157.185.61.2]); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:12:57 -0500 (CDT) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4ec58ef3f343ebf5ac40a04538f9a6fc Cc: msec@ietf.org X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1137784631==" Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org --===============1137784631== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-25-167764782 --Apple-Mail-25-167764782 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To be a bit more specific: GSAKMP sends a policy token to ensure coordination of the group protections and access control mechanisms. GSAKMP also incorporates a distribution of operation concept with subordinate group controllers. Hugh Harney Technical Director IA Research hh@sparta.com (443) 430-8032 (443) 430-8181 fax Sparta, Inc. 7110 Samuel Morse Drive Columbia, MD, 21046 On Mar 14, 2007, at 1:45 PM, Mark Baugher wrote: > hi, > The major functional differences between GSAKMP and GDOI are that > GDOI uses an ISAKMP header, uses an IKE Phase 1 security > association, and is suitable for implementation using an IKE code > base. I think it's fair to say that GSAKMP has some additional > functionality over GDOI in the area of policy. > > Mark > > On Mar 13, 2007, at 12:36 AM, Shoichi Sakane wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Before closing this WG, though I am not sure that members want to >> do so, >> please let me ask members in this WG. >> >>> From the first sentence of the charter: >> >> The purpose of the MSEC WG is to standardize protocols for >> securing >> group communication over internets, and in particular over the >> global >> Internet. >> >> There are four different core protocols (GSAKMP, GDOI, MIKEY, >> GKDP) so far. >> My simple question is what protocol should be used, and what >> situation it >> should be used in ? I admit that it is obviously clear that there >> are so >> many environment of users. So four protocols are going to be >> standardized. >> I think that each specification should define the target itself, >> otherwise >> users must be confused and misuse it. That is not for global >> internetworking. >> >> The MIKEY's document seems clarifying its target. However others >> don't seem so. >> At least, this WG or the authors have to specify advantages/ >> disadvantages >> of the protocol and the target. I believe that it is one of the >> important >> tasks for a WG in the IETF to make systems to be interoperable, >> and to be usable. >> Otherwise a standardization is not needed, is it ? >> >> Please correct me if my understanding is not correct. >> >> Regards, >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MSEC mailing list >> MSEC@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec > > _______________________________________________ > MSEC mailing list > MSEC@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec --Apple-Mail-25-167764782 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
To be a bit more = specific:


GSAKMP sends a policy token = to ensure coordination of the group protections and access control = mechanisms. GSAKMP also incorporates a distribution of operation concept = with subordinate group controllers.



Hugh = Harney = = = = = = =

Technical = Director IA Research

hh@sparta.com

(443) = 430-8032

(443) 430-8181 fax


=A07110 Samuel = Morse Drive
Columbia, MD, = 21046

On Mar 14, 2007, at 1:45 = PM, Mark Baugher wrote:

hi,
=A0 The major functional = differences between GSAKMP and GDOI are that GDOI uses an ISAKMP header, = uses an IKE Phase 1 security association, and is suitable for = implementation using an IKE code base.=A0 I think it's fair to say that = GSAKMP has some additional functionality over GDOI in the area of = policy.

Mark

On Mar 13, 2007, at 12:36 AM, = Shoichi Sakane wrote:
Hi = all,

Before closing this WG, though I am not sure that = members want to do so,
please let me ask members = in this WG.

=
=46rom the first sentence = of the charter:

=A0 =A0 The purpose of the MSEC = WG is to standardize protocols for securing
=A0 =A0 group communication over = internets, and in particular over the global
=A0 =A0 = Internet.

There are four different core protocols (GSAKMP, = GDOI, MIKEY, GKDP) so far.
My simple = question is what protocol should be used, and what situation = it
should be used in ?=A0 I admit that it is obviously = clear that there are so
many = environment of users.=A0 So = four protocols are going to be standardized.
I think that each specification should define the = target itself, otherwise
users must be = confused and misuse it.=A0 = That is not for global internetworking.

The = MIKEY's document seems clarifying its target.=A0 However others don't seem = so.
At least, this WG or the authors = have to specify advantages/disadvantages
of the = protocol and the target.=A0 = I believe that it is one of the important
tasks for a WG in the IETF to make systems to be = interoperable, and to be usable.
Otherwise a = standardization is not needed, is it ?

Please = correct me if my understanding is not correct.


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= --Apple-Mail-25-167764782-- --===============1137784631== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec --===============1137784631==-- From msec-bounces@ietf.org Tue Mar 27 23:21:38 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWOiN-0004uT-B5; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 23:20:47 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWOiL-0004uL-SE for msec@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 23:20:45 -0400 Received: from szxga02-in.huawei.com ([61.144.161.54]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWOiJ-0004QT-LF for msec@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 23:20:45 -0400 Received: from huawei.com (szxga02-in [172.24.2.6]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JFL00G3VFUNO9@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for msec@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:18:23 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.24]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JFL00J99FUNVN@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for msec@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:18:23 +0800 (CST) Received: from l52008 ([10.111.12.63]) by szxml04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0JFL00KENFUJXD@szxml04-in.huawei.com> for msec@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:18:22 +0800 (CST) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:18:19 +0800 From: Liu Ya To: msec@ietf.org Message-id: <002101c770e7$bbebfd70$3f0c6f0a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: Acdw57uTPNpp6AuZSByqn/5Z5O+q6Q== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad Cc: Michael Barnes , 'Russ White' Subject: [MSEC] A req doc on MSEC GKM protocols' usage in OSPFv3 IPsec automated group keying X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, draft-liu-ospfv3-automated-keying-req-00.txt, http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-liu-ospfv3-automated-keying- req-00.txt, discussses the requirements on using MSEC GKM protocols to provide automated group keying for OSPFv3 IPsec. Since it is concerned with the usage of msec protocols, it should be known to and reviewed by MSEC folks. Comments are welcome. Thanks and regards, Liu Ya _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Tue Mar 27 23:21:38 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWOiN-0004uT-B5; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 23:20:47 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWOiL-0004uL-SE for msec@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 23:20:45 -0400 Received: from szxga02-in.huawei.com ([61.144.161.54]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWOiJ-0004QT-LF for msec@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 23:20:45 -0400 Received: from huawei.com (szxga02-in [172.24.2.6]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JFL00G3VFUNO9@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for msec@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:18:23 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.24]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JFL00J99FUNVN@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for msec@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:18:23 +0800 (CST) Received: from l52008 ([10.111.12.63]) by szxml04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0JFL00KENFUJXD@szxml04-in.huawei.com> for msec@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:18:22 +0800 (CST) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:18:19 +0800 From: Liu Ya To: msec@ietf.org Message-id: <002101c770e7$bbebfd70$3f0c6f0a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: Acdw57uTPNpp6AuZSByqn/5Z5O+q6Q== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad Cc: Michael Barnes , 'Russ White' Subject: [MSEC] A req doc on MSEC GKM protocols' usage in OSPFv3 IPsec automated group keying X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, draft-liu-ospfv3-automated-keying-req-00.txt, http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-liu-ospfv3-automated-keying- req-00.txt, discussses the requirements on using MSEC GKM protocols to provide automated group keying for OSPFv3 IPsec. Since it is concerned with the usage of msec protocols, it should be known to and reviewed by MSEC folks. Comments are welcome. Thanks and regards, Liu Ya _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec