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Hi Tony,

  I'm a bit confused: You know the MobOpts Multicast problem statement.=20
Why are you writing a second one?

  If you have some supplements or issues missed in the draft, we can add=20
it. Please contribute it to the MobOpts mailing list, too.

Cheers
  matthias

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On Wed, 4 Jul 2007, Tony wrote:

> Hello every
>=20
> =09Recently, I writed and submitted a new draft of MIPv6 extensions for m=
obile multicast.
> =09Welcom everyone to comment.
> =09
> =09Details:
> =09                                                                      =
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>         Title           : MIPv6 Extensions for Mobile Multicast: Problem =
Statement
>         Author(s)       : Hongke Zhang, et al.
>         Filename        : draft-zhang-multimob-memcast-ps-00.txt
>         Pages           : 17
>         Date            : 2007-07-01
>  =09=09Abstract=20
>=20
>     Mobile multicast is a research hotspot and gets more and more study=
=20
>     recently. But the current mobility management specifications can not=
=20
>     provide effective multicast packets transmission, and existing mobile=
=20
>     multicast schemes are not generally accepted. In this memo, we=20
>     discuss the problems arising from mobile multicast and address the=20
>     solutions of MIPv6 extensions to support mobile multicast services. =
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Dear colleague.

Well, actually, some issues related mobile multicast have already been
discussed in MobOpts. Also, as you mentioned the document (
draft-schmidt-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-02.txt in MobOpts) well introduces the
problems and possible approaches for mobile multicast. However, MobOpts is
not a WG for solving mobile multicast problems. We need a place for full
discussions for mobile multicast problems.

Only issues related mobile multicast would be disscussed here. Thus,
submitting documents for mobile multicast into here is natural. :)

Cheers.


On 7/5/07, Matthias Waehlisch <mw@link-lab.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Tony,
>
> I'm a bit confused: You know the MobOpts Multicast problem statement.
> Why are you writing a second one?
>
> If you have some supplements or issues missed in the draft, we can add
> it. Please contribute it to the MobOpts mailing list, too.
>
> Cheers
> matthias
>
> --
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> :. Berliner Tor 7, 20099 Hamburg         :. Hoenower Str. 35, 10318 Berli=
n
> :. Germany, mailto:waehlisch@ieee.org    :. mailto:mw@link-lab.net
> :. http://home.fhtw-berlin.de/~mw        :. http://www.link-lab.net
>
> On Wed, 4 Jul 2007, Tony wrote:
>
> > Hello every
> >
> >       Recently, I writed and submitted a new draft of MIPv6 extensions
> for mobile multicast.
> >       Welcom everyone to comment.
> >
> >       Details:
> >
> >         Title           : MIPv6 Extensions for Mobile Multicast: Proble=
m
> Statement
> >         Author(s)       : Hongke Zhang, et al.
> >         Filename        : draft-zhang-multimob-memcast-ps-00.txt
> >         Pages           : 17
> >         Date            : 2007-07-01
> >               Abstract
> >
> >     Mobile multicast is a research hotspot and gets more and more study
> >     recently. But the current mobility management specifications can no=
t
> >     provide effective multicast packets transmission, and existing
> mobile
> >     multicast schemes are not generally accepted. In this memo, we
> >     discuss the problems arising from mobile multicast and address the
> >     solutions of MIPv6 extensions to support mobile multicast services.
> >
> > =A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1Tony
> > =A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1guanjian8632@163.com
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<div>Dear colleague.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Well, actually, some issues related mobile multicast have already been=
 discussed in MobOpts. Also, as you mentioned the document (draft-schmidt-m=
obopts-mmcastv6-ps-02.txt in MobOpts) well introduces the problems and poss=
ible approaches for mobile multicast. However, MobOpts is not a WG for solv=
ing mobile multicast problems. We need a place for full discussions for mob=
ile multicast problems.
</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Only issues related mobile multicast would be disscussed here. Thus, s=
ubmitting documents for mobile multicast into here is&nbsp;natural. :)&nbsp=
;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Cheers.&nbsp;<br><br>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class=3D"gmail_quote">On 7/5/07, <b class=3D"gmail_sendername">M=
atthias Waehlisch</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mw@link-lab.net">mw@link-lab.ne=
t</a>&gt; wrote:</span>=20
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Hi Tony,<br><br>I&#39;m a bit co=
nfused: You know the MobOpts Multicast problem statement.<br>Why are you wr=
iting a second one?
<br><br>If you have some supplements or issues missed in the draft, we can =
add<br>it. Please contribute it to the MobOpts mailing list, too.<br><br>Ch=
eers<br>matthias<br><br>--<br>Matthias Waehlisch<br>:. HAW Hamburg, Dept. I=
nformatik&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; :. link-lab
<br>:. Berliner Tor 7, 20099 Hamburg&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp; :. Hoenower Str. 35, 10318 Berlin<br>:. Germany, mailto:<a href=
=3D"mailto:waehlisch@ieee.org">waehlisch@ieee.org</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;:. mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:mw@link-lab.net">mw@link-lab.net
</a><br>:. <a href=3D"http://home.fhtw-berlin.de/~mw">http://home.fhtw-berl=
in.de/~mw</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;:. <a href=3D"=
http://www.link-lab.net">http://www.link-lab.net</a><br><br>On Wed, 4 Jul 2=
007, Tony wrote:<br><br>&gt; Hello every
<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Recently, I writed and=
 submitted a new draft of MIPv6 extensions for mobile multicast.<br>&gt;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Welcom everyone to comment.<br>&gt;<br>&g=
t;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Details:<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Title&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; : MIPv6 Extensions for Mobile Multicast: Proble=
m Statement
<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Author(s)&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; : Hongke Zhang, et al.<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Filename&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;: draft-zhang-multimob-memcast-ps-00.txt<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Pages&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; : 17<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp; Date&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;: 2007-07-01<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Abstract
<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Mobile multicast is a research hot=
spot and gets more and more study<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; recently.=
 But the current mobility management specifications can not<br>&gt;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; provide effective multicast packets transmission, and exis=
ting mobile
<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; multicast schemes are not generally accept=
ed. In this memo, we<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; discuss the problems a=
rising from mobile multicast and address the<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
; solutions of MIPv6 extensions to support mobile multicast services.
<br>&gt;<br>&gt; =A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1Tony<br>&g=
t; =A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1guanjian8632@<a href=3D"=
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Hi Jong-Hyouk Lee,

  I don't know - first of all we need (a flood of) discussions, thereafter=
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a selected place.

  Btw: Behcet, is there a BoF announced for Chicago?

Cheers
  matthias

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On Thu, 5 Jul 2007, Jong-Hyouk Lee wrote:

> Dear colleague.
>=20
> Well, actually, some issues related mobile multicast have already been
> discussed in MobOpts. Also, as you mentioned the document (
> draft-schmidt-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-02.txt in MobOpts) well introduces the
> problems and possible approaches for mobile multicast. However, MobOpts i=
s
> not a WG for solving mobile multicast problems. We need a place for full
> discussions for mobile multicast problems.
>=20
> Only issues related mobile multicast would be disscussed here. Thus,
> submitting documents for mobile multicast into here is natural. :)
>=20
> Cheers.
>=20
>=20
> On 7/5/07, Matthias Waehlisch <mw@link-lab.net> wrote:
> >=20
> > Hi Tony,
> >=20
> > I'm a bit confused: You know the MobOpts Multicast problem statement.
> > Why are you writing a second one?
> >=20
> > If you have some supplements or issues missed in the draft, we can add
> > it. Please contribute it to the MobOpts mailing list, too.
> >=20
> > Cheers
> > matthias
> >=20
> > --
> > Matthias Waehlisch
> > :. HAW Hamburg, Dept. Informatik         :. link-lab
> > :. Berliner Tor 7, 20099 Hamburg         :. Hoenower Str. 35, 10318 Ber=
lin
> > :. Germany, mailto:waehlisch@ieee.org    :. mailto:mw@link-lab.net
> > :. http://home.fhtw-berlin.de/~mw        :. http://www.link-lab.net
> >=20
> > On Wed, 4 Jul 2007, Tony wrote:
> >=20
> > > Hello every
> > >
> > >       Recently, I writed and submitted a new draft of MIPv6 extension=
s
> > for mobile multicast.
> > >       Welcom everyone to comment.
> > >
> > >       Details:
> > >
> > >         Title           : MIPv6 Extensions for Mobile Multicast: Prob=
lem
> > Statement
> > >         Author(s)       : Hongke Zhang, et al.
> > >         Filename        : draft-zhang-multimob-memcast-ps-00.txt
> > >         Pages           : 17
> > >         Date            : 2007-07-01
> > >               Abstract
> > >
> > >     Mobile multicast is a research hotspot and gets more and more stu=
dy
> > >     recently. But the current mobility management specifications can =
not
> > >     provide effective multicast packets transmission, and existing
> > mobile
> > >     multicast schemes are not generally accepted. In this memo, we
> > >     discuss the problems arising from mobile multicast and address th=
e
> > >     solutions of MIPv6 extensions to support mobile multicast service=
s.
> > >
> > > =A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1Tony
> > > =A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1guanjian8632@163.com
> > > =A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A12007-07-0=
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> > >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >=20
> >=20
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> --=20
> Internet Management Technology Lab, Sungkyunkwan University.
> Jong-Hyouk Lee.
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> #email: jonghyouk (at) gmail (dot) com
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Dear colleague.

The place for mobile multicast would be selected as you mentioned, I agree
with this. Before creating this mailing list (multimob), the documents and
discussions related mobile multicast are intermingled with other WGs as I
know. So,  Behcet and his colleagues have made here to be the place where w=
e
can share and develop the issues with mobile multicast. I believe that it's
time to full discussion about mobile multicast.

Well, I also want to know whether Behcet will organize an BOF meeting in
Chicago or not. Shall we turn a microphone to Behcet? :)

Cheers.


On 7/5/07, Matthias Waehlisch <mw@link-lab.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Jong-Hyouk Lee,
>
> I don't know - first of all we need (a flood of) discussions, thereafter
> a selected place.
>
> Btw: Behcet, is there a BoF announced for Chicago?
>
> Cheers
> matthias
>
> --
> Matthias Waehlisch
> :. HAW Hamburg, Dept. Informatik         :. link-lab
> :. Berliner Tor 7, 20099 Hamburg         :. Hoenower Str. 35, 10318 Berli=
n
> :. Germany, mailto:waehlisch@ieee.org    :. mailto:mw@link-lab.net
> :. http://home.fhtw-berlin.de/~mw        :. http://www.link-lab.net
>
> On Thu, 5 Jul 2007, Jong-Hyouk Lee wrote:
>
> > Dear colleague.
> >
> > Well, actually, some issues related mobile multicast have already been
> > discussed in MobOpts. Also, as you mentioned the document (
> > draft-schmidt-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-02.txt in MobOpts) well introduces th=
e
> > problems and possible approaches for mobile multicast. However, MobOpts
> is
> > not a WG for solving mobile multicast problems. We need a place for ful=
l
> > discussions for mobile multicast problems.
> >
> > Only issues related mobile multicast would be disscussed here. Thus,
> > submitting documents for mobile multicast into here is natural. :)
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> >
> > On 7/5/07, Matthias Waehlisch <mw@link-lab.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Tony,
> > >
> > > I'm a bit confused: You know the MobOpts Multicast problem statement.
> > > Why are you writing a second one?
> > >
> > > If you have some supplements or issues missed in the draft, we can ad=
d
> > > it. Please contribute it to the MobOpts mailing list, too.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > matthias
> > >
> > > --
> > > Matthias Waehlisch
> > > :. HAW Hamburg, Dept. Informatik         :. link-lab
> > > :. Berliner Tor 7, 20099 Hamburg         :. Hoenower Str. 35, 10318
> Berlin
> > > :. Germany, mailto:waehlisch@ieee.org    :. mailto:mw@link-lab.net
> > > :. http://home.fhtw-berlin.de/~mw        :. http://www.link-lab.net
> > >
> > > On Wed, 4 Jul 2007, Tony wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello every
> > > >
> > > >       Recently, I writed and submitted a new draft of MIPv6
> extensions
> > > for mobile multicast.
> > > >       Welcom everyone to comment.
> > > >
> > > >       Details:
> > > >
> > > >         Title           : MIPv6 Extensions for Mobile Multicast:
> Problem
> > > Statement
> > > >         Author(s)       : Hongke Zhang, et al.
> > > >         Filename        : draft-zhang-multimob-memcast-ps-00.txt
> > > >         Pages           : 17
> > > >         Date            : 2007-07-01
> > > >               Abstract
> > > >
> > > >     Mobile multicast is a research hotspot and gets more and more
> study
> > > >     recently. But the current mobility management specifications ca=
n
> not
> > > >     provide effective multicast packets transmission, and existing
> > > mobile
> > > >     multicast schemes are not generally accepted. In this memo, we
> > > >     discuss the problems arising from mobile multicast and address
> the
> > > >     solutions of MIPv6 extensions to support mobile multicast
> services.
> > > >
> > > > =A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1Tony
> > > > =A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1guanjian8632@163.co=
m
> > > > =A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A12007-07=
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> > > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Internet Management Technology Lab, Sungkyunkwan University.
> > Jong-Hyouk Lee.
> >
> > #email: jonghyouk (at) gmail (dot) com
> > #webpage: http://www.hurryon.org
> >




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<div>Dear colleague.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>The place for mobile multicast would be selected as you mentioned, I a=
gree with this. Before creating this mailing list (multimob), the documents=
 and discussions related mobile multicast are intermingled with other WGs a=
s I know. So, &nbsp;Behcet and his colleagues have made&nbsp;here to be the=
 place where we can share and develop the issues with mobile multicast. I b=
elieve that it&#39;s time to full discussion about mobile multicast.
</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Well, I also want to know whether Behcet will organize an BOF meeting =
in Chicago or not. Shall we turn a microphone to Behcet? :)</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Cheers.<br><br>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class=3D"gmail_quote">On 7/5/07, <b class=3D"gmail_sendername">M=
atthias Waehlisch</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mw@link-lab.net">mw@link-lab.ne=
t</a>&gt; wrote:</span>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Hi Jong-Hyouk Lee,<br><br>I don&=
#39;t know - first of all we need (a flood of) discussions, thereafter<br>
a selected place.<br><br>Btw: Behcet, is there a BoF announced for Chicago?=
<br><br>Cheers<br>matthias<br><br>--<br>Matthias Waehlisch<br>:. HAW Hambur=
g, Dept. Informatik&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; :. link=
-lab<br>:. Berliner Tor 7, 20099 Hamburg&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp; :. Hoenower Str. 35, 10318 Berlin
<br>:. Germany, mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:waehlisch@ieee.org">waehlisch@ieee=
.org</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;:. mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:mw@link-lab.net=
">mw@link-lab.net</a><br>:. <a href=3D"http://home.fhtw-berlin.de/~mw">http=
://home.fhtw-berlin.de/~mw
</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;:. <a href=3D"http://ww=
w.link-lab.net">http://www.link-lab.net</a><br><br>On Thu, 5 Jul 2007, Jong=
-Hyouk Lee wrote:<br><br>&gt; Dear colleague.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Well, actuall=
y, some issues related mobile multicast have already been
<br>&gt; discussed in MobOpts. Also, as you mentioned the document (<br>&gt=
; draft-schmidt-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-02.txt in MobOpts) well introduces the<=
br>&gt; problems and possible approaches for mobile multicast. However, Mob=
Opts is
<br>&gt; not a WG for solving mobile multicast problems. We need a place fo=
r full<br>&gt; discussions for mobile multicast problems.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; O=
nly issues related mobile multicast would be disscussed here. Thus,<br>
&gt; submitting documents for mobile multicast into here is natural. :)<br>=
&gt;<br>&gt; Cheers.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; On 7/5/07, Matthias Waehlisch =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mw@link-lab.net">mw@link-lab.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Hi Tony,<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; I&#39;m a bit con=
fused: You know the MobOpts Multicast problem statement.<br>&gt; &gt; Why a=
re you writing a second one?<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; If you have some sup=
plements or issues missed in the draft, we can add
<br>&gt; &gt; it. Please contribute it to the MobOpts mailing list, too.<br=
>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Cheers<br>&gt; &gt; matthias<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &=
gt; --<br>&gt; &gt; Matthias Waehlisch<br>&gt; &gt; :. HAW Hamburg, Dept. I=
nformatik&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; :. link-lab
<br>&gt; &gt; :. Berliner Tor 7, 20099 Hamburg&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; :. Hoenower Str. 35, 10318 Berlin<br>&gt; &gt; :. Germa=
ny, mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:waehlisch@ieee.org">waehlisch@ieee.org</a>&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;:. mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:mw@link-lab.net">
mw@link-lab.net</a><br>&gt; &gt; :. <a href=3D"http://home.fhtw-berlin.de/~=
mw">http://home.fhtw-berlin.de/~mw</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;:. <a href=3D"http://www.link-lab.net">http://www.link-lab.net</=
a><br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; On Wed, 4 Jul 2007, Tony wrote:
<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Hello every<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; =
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Recently, I writed and submitted a=
 new draft of MIPv6 extensions<br>&gt; &gt; for mobile multicast.<br>&gt; &=
gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Welcom everyone to comment.
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; De=
tails:<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Title&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; : MIPv6 Extensions for Mobile Multicast: Problem<br>&gt; &gt; Statem=
ent<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Autho=
r(s)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; : Hongke Zhang, et al.
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Filename=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: draft-zhang-multimob-memc=
ast-ps-00.txt<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp; Pages&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; : 17=
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Date&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: 2007-=
07-01<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Abstract
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Mobile multica=
st is a research hotspot and gets more and more study<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; recently. But the current mobility management specific=
ations can not<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; provide effective =
multicast packets transmission, and existing
<br>&gt; &gt; mobile<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; multicast sc=
hemes are not generally accepted. In this memo, we<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; discuss the problems arising from mobile multicast and ad=
dress the<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; solutions of MIPv6 exte=
nsions to support mobile multicast services.
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; =A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=
=A1=A1=A1=A1Tony<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; =A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=
=A1=A1=A1guanjian8632@<a href=3D"http://163.com">163.com</a><br>&gt; &gt; &=
gt; =A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A12007-07-04<=
br>&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; ____________________________________________=
___
<br>&gt; &gt; multimob mailing list<br>&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"mailto:multimob=
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</a><br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; --<br>&gt; Internet =
Management Technology Lab, Sungkyunkwan University.<br>&gt; Jong-Hyouk Lee.=
<br>&gt;<br>&gt; #email: jonghyouk (at) gmail (dot) com<br>&gt; #webpage:=
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Subject: Re: [multimob] New draft: MIPv6 Extensions for Mobile Multicast:
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Dear all,
  First of all, let's not discuss process issues on the list.
Secondly, I don't agree that Tony's draft is the same as Mobopts multicast PS document. It is supposed to have  issues around the three items we mentioned at the beginning. Future versions of this document should be even better.
  My suggestion is to discuss technical issues on this list and Tony's draft is probably a good starting point.

Regards,

Behcet

----- Original Message ----
From: Jong-Hyouk Lee <jonghyouk@gmail.com>
To: Matthias Waehlisch <mw@link-lab.net>; behcetsarikaya@yahoo.com
Cc: multimob <multimob@ietf.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2007 4:13:20 AM
Subject: Re: [multimob] New draft: MIPv6 Extensions for Mobile Multicast: Problem Statement

Dear colleague.

 

The place for mobile multicast would be selected as you mentioned, I agree with this. Before creating this mailing list (multimob), the documents and discussions related mobile multicast are intermingled with other WGs as I know. So,  Behcet and his colleagues have made here to be the place where we can share and develop the issues with mobile multicast. I believe that it's time to full discussion about mobile multicast.


 

Well, I also want to know whether Behcet will organize an BOF meeting in Chicago or not. Shall we turn a microphone to Behcet? :)

 

Cheers.

 

On 7/5/07, Matthias Waehlisch <mw@link-lab.net> wrote:
Hi Jong-Hyouk Lee,

I don't know - first of all we need (a flood of) discussions, thereafter

a selected place.

Btw: Behcet, is there a BoF announced for Chicago?

Cheers
matthias

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On Thu, 5 Jul 2007, Jong-Hyouk Lee wrote:

> Dear colleague.
>
> Well, actually, some issues related mobile multicast have already been

> discussed in MobOpts. Also, as you mentioned the document (
> draft-schmidt-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-02.txt in MobOpts) well introduces the
> problems and possible approaches for mobile multicast. However, MobOpts is

> not a WG for solving mobile multicast problems. We need a place for full
> discussions for mobile multicast problems.
>
> Only issues related mobile multicast would be disscussed here. Thus,

> submitting documents for mobile multicast into here is natural. :)
>
> Cheers.
>
>
> On 7/5/07, Matthias Waehlisch <mw@link-lab.net> wrote:

> >
> > Hi Tony,
> >
> > I'm a bit confused: You know the MobOpts Multicast problem statement.
> > Why are you writing a second one?
> >
> > If you have some supplements or issues missed in the draft, we can add

> > it. Please contribute it to the MobOpts mailing list, too.
> >
> > Cheers
> > matthias
> >
> > --
> > Matthias Waehlisch
> > :. HAW Hamburg, Dept. Informatik         :. link-lab

> > :. Berliner Tor 7, 20099 Hamburg         :. Hoenower Str. 35, 10318 Berlin
> > :. Germany, mailto:waehlisch@ieee.org    :. mailto:
mw@link-lab.net
> > :. http://home.fhtw-berlin.de/~mw        :. http://www.link-lab.net
> >
> > On Wed, 4 Jul 2007, Tony wrote:

> >
> > > Hello every
> > >
> > >       Recently, I writed and submitted a new draft of MIPv6 extensions
> > for mobile multicast.
> > >       Welcom everyone to comment.

> > >
> > >       Details:
> > >
> > >         Title           : MIPv6 Extensions for Mobile Multicast: Problem
> > Statement
> > >         Author(s)       : Hongke Zhang, et al.

> > >         Filename        : draft-zhang-multimob-memcast-ps-00.txt
> > >         Pages           : 17
> > >         Date            : 2007-07-01
> > >               Abstract

> > >
> > >     Mobile multicast is a research hotspot and gets more and more study
> > >     recently. But the current mobility management specifications can not
> > >     provide effective multicast packets transmission, and existing

> > mobile
> > >     multicast schemes are not generally accepted. In this memo, we
> > >     discuss the problems arising from mobile multicast and address the
> > >     solutions of MIPv6 extensions to support mobile multicast services.

> > >
> > > $B!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(BTony
> > > $B!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(Bguanjian8632@163.com
> > > $B!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(B2007-07-04
> > >
> > _______________________________________________

> > multimob mailing list
> > multimob@ietf.org
> > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob

> >
> >
>
>
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> Jong-Hyouk Lee.
>
> #email: jonghyouk (at) gmail (dot) com
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<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:14pt"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 14pt;">Dear all,<br>&nbsp; First of all, let's not discuss process issues on the list.<br>Secondly, I don't agree that Tony's draft is the same as Mobopts multicast PS document. It is supposed to have&nbsp; issues around the three items we mentioned at the beginning. Future versions of this document should be even better.<br>&nbsp; My suggestion is to discuss technical issues on this list and Tony's draft is probably a good starting point.<br><br>Regards,<br><br>Behcet<br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: Jong-Hyouk Lee &lt;jonghyouk@gmail.com&gt;<br>To: Matthias Waehlisch &lt;mw@link-lab.net&gt;; behcetsarikaya@yahoo.com<br>Cc: multimob
 &lt;multimob@ietf.org&gt;<br>Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2007 4:13:20 AM<br>Subject: Re: [multimob] New draft: MIPv6 Extensions for Mobile Multicast: Problem Statement<br><br><div>Dear colleague.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>The place for mobile multicast would be selected as you mentioned, I agree with this. Before creating this mailing list (multimob), the documents and discussions related mobile multicast are intermingled with other WGs as I know. So, &nbsp;Behcet and his colleagues have made&nbsp;here to be the place where we can share and develop the issues with mobile multicast. I believe that it's time to full discussion about mobile multicast.
</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Well, I also want to know whether Behcet will organize an BOF meeting in Chicago or not. Shall we turn a microphone to Behcet? :)</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Cheers.<br><br>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 7/5/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Matthias Waehlisch</b> &lt;<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:mw@link-lab.net">mw@link-lab.net</a>&gt; wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hi Jong-Hyouk Lee,<br><br>I don't know - first of all we need (a flood of) discussions, thereafter<br>
a selected place.<br><br>Btw: Behcet, is there a BoF announced for Chicago?<br><br>Cheers<br>matthias<br><br>--<br>Matthias Waehlisch<br>:. HAW Hamburg, Dept. Informatik&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; :. link-lab<br>:. Berliner Tor 7, 20099 Hamburg&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; :. Hoenower Str. 35, 10318 Berlin
<br>:. Germany, mailto:<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:waehlisch@ieee.org">waehlisch@ieee.org</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;:. mailto:<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:mw@link-lab.net">mw@link-lab.net</a><br>:. <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://home.fhtw-berlin.de/%7Emw">http://home.fhtw-berlin.de/~mw
</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;:. <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.link-lab.net">http://www.link-lab.net</a><br><br>On Thu, 5 Jul 2007, Jong-Hyouk Lee wrote:<br><br>&gt; Dear colleague.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Well, actually, some issues related mobile multicast have already been
<br>&gt; discussed in MobOpts. Also, as you mentioned the document (<br>&gt; draft-schmidt-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-02.txt in MobOpts) well introduces the<br>&gt; problems and possible approaches for mobile multicast. However, MobOpts is
<br>&gt; not a WG for solving mobile multicast problems. We need a place for full<br>&gt; discussions for mobile multicast problems.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Only issues related mobile multicast would be disscussed here. Thus,<br>
&gt; submitting documents for mobile multicast into here is natural. :)<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Cheers.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; On 7/5/07, Matthias Waehlisch &lt;<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:mw@link-lab.net">mw@link-lab.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Hi Tony,<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; I'm a bit confused: You know the MobOpts Multicast problem statement.<br>&gt; &gt; Why are you writing a second one?<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; If you have some supplements or issues missed in the draft, we can add
<br>&gt; &gt; it. Please contribute it to the MobOpts mailing list, too.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Cheers<br>&gt; &gt; matthias<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; --<br>&gt; &gt; Matthias Waehlisch<br>&gt; &gt; :. HAW Hamburg, Dept. Informatik&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; :. link-lab
<br>&gt; &gt; :. Berliner Tor 7, 20099 Hamburg&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; :. Hoenower Str. 35, 10318 Berlin<br>&gt; &gt; :. Germany, mailto:<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:waehlisch@ieee.org">waehlisch@ieee.org</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;:. mailto:<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:mw@link-lab.net">
mw@link-lab.net</a><br>&gt; &gt; :. <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://home.fhtw-berlin.de/%7Emw">http://home.fhtw-berlin.de/~mw</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;:. <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.link-lab.net">http://www.link-lab.net</a><br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; On Wed, 4 Jul 2007, Tony wrote:
<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Hello every<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Recently, I writed and submitted a new draft of MIPv6 extensions<br>&gt; &gt; for mobile multicast.<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Welcom everyone to comment.
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Details:<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Title&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; : MIPv6 Extensions for Mobile Multicast: Problem<br>&gt; &gt; Statement<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Author(s)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; : Hongke Zhang, et al.
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Filename&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: draft-zhang-multimob-memcast-ps-00.txt<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Pages&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; : 17<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Date&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: 2007-07-01<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Abstract
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Mobile multicast is a research hotspot and gets more and more study<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; recently. But the current mobility management specifications can not<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; provide effective multicast packets transmission, and existing
<br>&gt; &gt; mobile<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; multicast schemes are not generally accepted. In this memo, we<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; discuss the problems arising from mobile multicast and address the<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; solutions of MIPv6 extensions to support mobile multicast services.
<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; $B!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(BTony<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; $B!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(Bguanjian8632@<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://163.com">163.com</a><br>&gt; &gt; &gt; $B!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(B2007-07-04<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; _______________________________________________
<br>&gt; &gt; multimob mailing list<br>&gt; &gt; <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:multimob@ietf.org">multimob@ietf.org</a><br>&gt; &gt; <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob">https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob
</a><br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; --<br>&gt; Internet Management Technology Lab, Sungkyunkwan University.<br>&gt; Jong-Hyouk Lee.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; #email: jonghyouk (at) gmail (dot) com<br>&gt; #webpage: 
<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.hurryon.org">http://www.hurryon.org</a><br>&gt; </blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Internet Management Technology Lab, Sungkyunkwan University. <br>Jong-Hyouk Lee.<br><br>#email: jonghyouk (at) gmail (dot) com 
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Folks,
  At the moment we have a plan to organize a Bar BOF during IETF-69 to be possibly sponsored by us.
  To help us organize this event better, it would be nice if you send me and Suresh a note on your possible attendance. 
  Also, the meeting will be totally devoted to technical discussions and not to process discussions. If you can make a technical presentation on the problem and/or solution efforts, again, send me and Suresh a note.
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I am interested.

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Marshall Eubanks

On Jul 13, 2007, at 3:24 PM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote:

> Folks,
>   At the moment we have a plan to organize a Bar BOF during IETF-69  
> to be possibly sponsored by us.
>   To help us organize this event better, it would be nice if you  
> send me and Suresh a note on your possible attendance.
>   Also, the meeting will be totally devoted to technical  
> discussions and not to process discussions. If you can make a  
> technical presentation on the problem and/or solution efforts,  
> again, send me and Suresh a note.
>   See you in Chicago.
>
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Hi all,

we completed an updated version of the RG ID of the problem statement
on extending Multicast to Mobility.

It can immediately be downloaded under:

http://www.realmv6.org/papers/draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-01.txt

  and will be presented in Chicago with sufficient time for discussions

   http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07jul/agenda/MobOpts.txt

The document has been significantly extended by

   * A section on layer 2 aspects as discussed in Prague.
     This is still somewhat incomplete and we hope for your input!

   * A brief inclusion of hybrid multicast approaches with a pointer
     to SAM work.

   * Many minor extensions, gap filling and clarifications.

   * An updated and extended bibliography


Details:

        Multicast Mobility in MIPv6: Problem Statement and Brief Survey
               <draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-01.txt>

Abstract

    In this document we discuss mobility extensions to current IP layer
    multicast solutions. Problems arising from mobile group communication
    in general, in the case of multicast listener mobility and for mobile
    Any Source Multicast as well as Source Specific Multicast senders are
    documented. Characteristic aspects of multicast routing and
    deployment issues for fixed IPv6 networks are summarized. The
    principal approaches to the multicast mobility problems are outlined
    subsequently.


Looking forward to your hints & discussions!

See you in Chicago,

thomas





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Hi Behcet,

I'd like to attend the bar bof of multimob in Chicago.
Do you have the schedule of the bof?

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Yes, it will be held on Wednesday night right after the plenary. Suresh is working on the room arrangements with IETF.
The tentative agenda is as follows:

Kind regards,

Behcet


 Multimob Bar BOF Agenda 

  Opening & Multimob overview  by Suresh, Behcet (15min)
  
  1. Problem Statement & Requirements (25min)
     by Tony (Jian-feng) Guan (presented by Frank Xia)
     
       - Background/Motivation
       - Problems
       - Requirements
     * Q&A  (10min)

    2. Introduction of Multimob Use cases & Scenarios (40min)
       * by Thomas C. Schmit (30min)
       
       * Q&A (10min)

   3. Relationship with other WGs (20min)
       * by Hesham Soliman (5min)
         

       *Q&A (15min)

    4. Open Discussion
        - next steps

----- Original Message ----
From: Hitoshi Asaeda <asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp>
To: sarikaya@ieee.org; behcetsarikaya@yahoo.com
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Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 3:41:58 AM
Subject: Re: [multimob] Bar BOF in Chicago

Hi Behcet,

I'd like to attend the bar bof of multimob in Chicago.
Do you have the schedule of the bof?

Thanks,
--
Hitoshi Asaeda





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 Introduction of Multimob Use cases &amp; Scenarios (40min)<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * by Thomas C. Schmit (30min)<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * Q&amp;A (10min)<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp; 3. Relationship with other WGs (20min)<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; * by Hesham Soliman (5min)<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; *Q&amp;A (15min)<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 4. Open Discussion<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - next steps<br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: Hitoshi Asaeda &lt;asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp&gt;<br>To: sarikaya@ieee.org; behcetsarikaya@yahoo.com<br>Cc: multimob@ietf.org; ryuji@sfc.wide.ad.jp<br>Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 3:41:58 AM<br>Subject: Re: [multimob] Bar BOF in Chicago<br><br><div>Hi Behcet,<br><br>I'd like to attend the bar
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Hi Folks,
   We have managed to secure a room for the meeting. The details are as 
follows

Day: Wednesday July 25 2007
Time: 7:30pm and 8:30pm (right after the plenary)
Location: Salon 2

Hope to meet you all there.

Cheers
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Hi Behcet, 

I'm interested in this BOF and write some comments on the 
draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-01.txt.

But I can't go to Chicago this time, and the second author 
Dr. Deng Hui will attend the bar bof of multimob.

Best Regards,
Wu Qian
CERNET & Network Research Center of Tsinghua University
Tel: +86-10-62603327, +86-13911189166			 
wuqian@cernet.edu.cn
2007-07-24

----------Original Message----------
From: Behcet Sarikaya
Date: 2007-07-14 03:24:33
To: multimob@ietf.org
CC: townsley@cisco.com; Jari Arkko
Subject: [multimob] Bar BOF in Chicago

>Folks,
>  At the moment we have a plan to organize a Bar BOF during IETF-69 to be possibly sponsored by us.
>  To help us organize this event better, it would be nice if you send me and Suresh a note on your possible attendance. 
>  Also, the meeting will be totally devoted to technical discussions and not to process discussions. If you can make a technical presentation on the problem and/or solution efforts, again, send me and Suresh a note.
>  See you in Chicago.
>
>Behcet
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Hi Wu,

many thanks for your feedback - please see comments inline

------------- snip ------------------------
For the problems which mobile multicast faces

â€¢ I think the main problems can be divided into
2 categories, and then we can explain the
problems of multicast caused by mobility
clearer:
â€“ For the User side, 2 main problems:
â€¢ Multicast packet loss percentage mainly caused by
handoff)
â€¢ packer transmit delay (related Average to the path
length of multicast packet, triangular routing would
make parameter this worse)

------------- snap ------------------------

TS => Yes, agree. Additional disturbances arrive from jitter, as 
discussed in the introduction of the draft.

Another key issue: the address duality problem.

The idea of the PS-draft is - from a fairly general level of abstraction 
- to look behind the scene, i.e., to identify issues and causes in more 
detail.

The reason for this: The PS-draft is meant to serve as comprehensive 
overview and analytical fundament for future designers of mobile 
multicast protocols.

------------- snip ------------------------

For the problems which mobile multicast faces (con.)

â€“ For the Network side, 3 main problems:
â€¢ Multicast packet efficiency (use delivery related to the of tunnel)
â€¢ Multicast maintenance overhead (related to the design of mobile 
multicast scheme)
â€¢ The stability of multicast tree (related the way of updating multicast 
tree after a handoff event)

------------- snap ------------------------

TS => D'accord. Please don't forget convergence speed and robustness of 
the mobile multicast routing schemes.

Fairly central issues derive from deployment: We should closely look at 
  solutions which have a realistic chance for deployment, e.g., by 
staying close to unicast mobility management schemes.

------------- snip ------------------------

For the solutions
â€¢ Users always move around within a definite scope, such as within a 
building when they are working
â€¢ Hierarchical structure is useful in mobile multicast
â€“ Can shield the local movement from outside
â€“ Can efficiently reduce the change of the main
multicast delivery tree
â€“ Can decrease the multicast protocol overhead related handoff
â€“ It is an important category of mobile multicast
solution and I suggest it be written in solution, the draft

------------- snap ------------------------

TS => Yes, you're right. Actually this approach is taken in draft 
http://www3.tools.ietf.org/html/draft-schmidt-waehlisch-mhmipv6 , which 
is mentioned in the solutions section.

Of course, the brief survey over the solution space mainly consists in 
reference pointers ... to keep the document within readable bounds :-)


Best regards & hope to see you in Vancouver

thomas

Wu Qian wrote:
> Hi Behcet, 
> 
> I'm interested in this BOF and write some comments on the 
> draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-01.txt.
> 
> But I can't go to Chicago this time, and the second author 
> Dr. Deng Hui will attend the bar bof of multimob.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Wu Qian
> CERNET & Network Research Center of Tsinghua University
> Tel: +86-10-62603327, +86-13911189166			 
> wuqian@cernet.edu.cn
> 2007-07-24
> 
> ----------Original Message----------
> From: Behcet Sarikaya
> Date: 2007-07-14 03:24:33
> To: multimob@ietf.org
> CC: townsley@cisco.com; Jari Arkko
> Subject: [multimob] Bar BOF in Chicago
> 
>> Folks,
>>  At the moment we have a plan to organize a Bar BOF during IETF-69 to be possibly sponsored by us.
>>  To help us organize this event better, it would be nice if you send me and Suresh a note on your possible attendance. 
>>  Also, the meeting will be totally devoted to technical discussions and not to process discussions. If you can make a technical presentation on the problem and/or solution efforts, again, send me and Suresh a note.
>>  See you in Chicago.
>>
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Hi, thomas,

Thanks for your paste and reply,
See below inline.

> ------------- snip ------------------------
> For the problems which mobile multicast faces
>
> =95 I think the main problems can be divided into
> 2 categories, and then we can explain the
> problems of multicast caused by mobility
> clearer:
> =96 For the User side, 2 main problems:
> =95 Multicast packet loss percentage mainly caused by
> handoff)
> =95 packer transmit delay (related Average to the path
> length of multicast packet, triangular routing would
> make parameter this worse)
>
> ------------- snap ------------------------
>
> TS =3D> Yes, agree. Additional disturbances arrive from jitter, as
> discussed in the introduction of the draft.
>
> Another key issue: the address duality problem.
>
> The idea of the PS-draft is - from a fairly general level of abstraction
> - to look behind the scene, i.e., to identify issues and causes in more
> detail.
>
> The reason for this: The PS-draft is meant to serve as comprehensive
> overview and analytical fundament for future designers of mobile
> multicast protocols.
The problem statement which you wrote is good, and here what we would like
to suggest is that in the current stage, we may skip source mobility
since the needs are not strong and quite complicated. So if possible,
we may could define
more category like user and network side consideration.


> ------------- snip ------------------------
>
> For the problems which mobile multicast faces (con.)
>
> =96 For the Network side, 3 main problems:
> =95 Multicast packet efficiency (use delivery related to the of tunnel)
> =95 Multicast maintenance overhead (related to the design of mobile
> multicast scheme)
> =95 The stability of multicast tree (related the way of updating multicas=
t
> tree after a handoff event)
>
> ------------- snap ------------------------
>
> TS =3D> D'accord. Please don't forget convergence speed and robustness of
> the mobile multicast routing schemes.
Good suggestion, we cold clarify more in detail related to this

> Fairly central issues derive from deployment: We should closely look at
>  solutions which have a realistic chance for deployment, e.g., by
> staying close to unicast mobility management schemes.
This need more discussion on it.

>
> ------------- snip ------------------------
>
> For the solutions
> =95 Users always move around within a definite scope, such as within a
> building when they are working
> =95 Hierarchical structure is useful in mobile multicast
> =96 Can shield the local movement from outside
> =96 Can efficiently reduce the change of the main
> multicast delivery tree
> =96 Can decrease the multicast protocol overhead related handoff
> =96 It is an important category of mobile multicast
> solution and I suggest it be written in solution, the draft
>
> ------------- snap ------------------------
>
> TS =3D> Yes, you're right. Actually this approach is taken in draft
> http://www3.tools.ietf.org/html/draft-schmidt-waehlisch-mhmipv6 , which
> is mentioned in the solutions section.
we are suggesting more hierachical solution other hmip solution since we
have to consider more deployment realistic.

> Of course, the brief survey over the solution space mainly consists in
> reference pointers ... to keep the document within readable bounds :-)
Sure,

btw, more suggestion, shall we consider as well pmip area?

Thanks

-Hui

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Is there a room for this ?

Marshall

On Jul 20, 2007, at 12:24 PM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote:

> Yes, it will be held on Wednesday night right after the plenary.  
> Suresh is working on the room arrangements with IETF.
> The tentative agenda is as follows:
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Behcet
>
>
>  Multimob Bar BOF Agenda
>
>   Opening & Multimob overview  by Suresh, Behcet (15min)
>
>   1. Problem Statement & Requirements (25min)
>      by Tony (Jian-feng) Guan (presented by Frank Xia)
>
>        - Background/Motivation
>        - Problems
>        - Requirements
>      * Q&A  (10min)
>
>     2. Introduction of Multimob Use cases & Scenarios (40min)
>        * by Thomas C. Schmit (30min)
>
>        * Q&A (10min)
>
>    3. Relationship with other WGs (20min)
>        * by Hesham Soliman (5min)
>
>
>        *Q&A (15min)
>
>     4. Open Discussion
>         - next steps
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Hitoshi Asaeda <asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp>
> To: sarikaya@ieee.org; behcetsarikaya@yahoo.com
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>
> Hi Behcet,
>
> I'd like to attend the bar bof of multimob in Chicago.
> Do you have the schedule of the bof?
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Hitoshi Asaeda
>
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Hi Marshall,

  Suresh announced:

Location: Salon 2

Day: Wednesday July 25 2007
Time: 7:30pm and 8:30pm (right after the plenary)

Cheers
  matthias


On Wed, 25 Jul 2007, Marshall Eubanks wrote:

> Is there a room for this ?
> 
> Marshall
> 
> On Jul 20, 2007, at 12:24 PM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote:
> 
> > Yes, it will be held on Wednesday night right after the plenary. Suresh is
> > working on the room arrangements with IETF.
> > The tentative agenda is as follows:
> > 
> > Kind regards,
> > 
> > Behcet
> > 
> > 
> >  Multimob Bar BOF Agenda
> > 
> >   Opening & Multimob overview  by Suresh, Behcet (15min)
> > 
> >   1. Problem Statement & Requirements (25min)
> >      by Tony (Jian-feng) Guan (presented by Frank Xia)
> > 
> >        - Background/Motivation
> >        - Problems
> >        - Requirements
> >      * Q&A  (10min)
> > 
> >     2. Introduction of Multimob Use cases & Scenarios (40min)
> >        * by Thomas C. Schmit (30min)
> > 
> >        * Q&A (10min)
> > 
> >    3. Relationship with other WGs (20min)
> >        * by Hesham Soliman (5min)
> > 
> > 
> >        *Q&A (15min)
> > 
> >     4. Open Discussion
> >         - next steps
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Hitoshi Asaeda <asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp>
> > To: sarikaya@ieee.org; behcetsarikaya@yahoo.com
> > Cc: multimob@ietf.org; ryuji@sfc.wide.ad.jp
> > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 3:41:58 AM
> > Subject: Re: [multimob] Bar BOF in Chicago
> > 
> > Hi Behcet,
> > 
> > I'd like to attend the bar bof of multimob in Chicago.
> > Do you have the schedule of the bof?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > --
> > Hitoshi Asaeda
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > multimob mailing list
> > multimob@ietf.org
> > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob
> 
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Hi Hui Deng,

thanks for your opinions - please see comments inline

Hui Deng wrote:

> 
>> ------------- snip ------------------------
>> For the problems which mobile multicast faces
>>
>> • I think the main problems can be divided into
>> 2 categories, and then we can explain the
>> problems of multicast caused by mobility
>> clearer:
>> – For the User side, 2 main problems:
>> • Multicast packet loss percentage mainly caused by
>> handoff)
>> • packer transmit delay (related Average to the path
>> length of multicast packet, triangular routing would
>> make parameter this worse)
>>
>> ------------- snap ------------------------
>>
>> TS => Yes, agree. Additional disturbances arrive from jitter, as
>> discussed in the introduction of the draft.
>>
>> Another key issue: the address duality problem.
>>
>> The idea of the PS-draft is - from a fairly general level of abstraction
>> - to look behind the scene, i.e., to identify issues and causes in more
>> detail.
>>
>> The reason for this: The PS-draft is meant to serve as comprehensive
>> overview and analytical fundament for future designers of mobile
>> multicast protocols.
> The problem statement which you wrote is good, and here what we would like
> to suggest is that in the current stage, we may skip source mobility
> since the needs are not strong and quite complicated. So if possible,
> we may could define
> more category like user and network side consideration.
>

Thanks, but disagree: source mobility is a quite important part of the 
problem ... and, as I'll try to convince in today's talk, interactive 
multicast applications are important, as well.

Additionally: I don't see a point in adding these categories to the 
problem space. The control signalling interplay, of course, is alway 
between endnodes and routers or in between routers. But this is not 
unique to multicast ... ;)

There are network-related issues with respect to deployment, though.
> 
>> ------------- snip ------------------------
>>
>> For the problems which mobile multicast faces (con.)
>>
>> – For the Network side, 3 main problems:
>> • Multicast packet efficiency (use delivery related to the of tunnel)
>> • Multicast maintenance overhead (related to the design of mobile
>> multicast scheme)
>> • The stability of multicast tree (related the way of updating multicast
>> tree after a handoff event)
>>
>> ------------- snap ------------------------
>>
>> TS => D'accord. Please don't forget convergence speed and robustness of
>> the mobile multicast routing schemes.
> Good suggestion, we cold clarify more in detail related to this
> 
>> Fairly central issues derive from deployment: We should closely look at
>>  solutions which have a realistic chance for deployment, e.g., by
>> staying close to unicast mobility management schemes.
> This need more discussion on it.
> 
>>
>> ------------- snip ------------------------
>>
>> For the solutions
>> • Users always move around within a definite scope, such as within a
>> building when they are working
>> • Hierarchical structure is useful in mobile multicast
>> – Can shield the local movement from outside
>> – Can efficiently reduce the change of the main
>> multicast delivery tree
>> – Can decrease the multicast protocol overhead related handoff
>> – It is an important category of mobile multicast
>> solution and I suggest it be written in solution, the draft
>>
>> ------------- snap ------------------------
>>
>> TS => Yes, you're right. Actually this approach is taken in draft
>> http://www3.tools.ietf.org/html/draft-schmidt-waehlisch-mhmipv6 , which
>> is mentioned in the solutions section.
> we are suggesting more hierachical solution other hmip solution since we
> have to consider more deployment realistic.
> 
>> Of course, the brief survey over the solution space mainly consists in
>> reference pointers ... to keep the document within readable bounds :-)
> Sure,
> 
> btw, more suggestion, shall we consider as well pmip area?
> 

Yes, we can check for and take this up, thanks.

Best regards,

thomas

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Hi everybody,


as we are short in time at the MOBOPTS meeting, here are the open 
questions for discussion:

  1. Are there further relevant deployment aspects?

  2. Are layer 2 aspects missing in the draft?

  3. Are there Multicast-specific Multihoming issues?
     (Beyond interface and unicast traffic management.)

  4. Anything else we missed?


The current draft is not yet on the ID-directory, but can be downloaded 
from:

http://www.realmv6.org/papers/draft-schmidt-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-02.txt


Please send your feedback to advance the quality of this document 8-)


Cheers,

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Hello all,
  In case the plenary closes earlier than 7:30 pm we will start earlier. Please go to Salon 2 right after the plenary.

Regards,

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----- Original Message ----
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Hi Folks,
   We have managed to secure a room for the meeting. The details are as 
follows

Day: Wednesday July 25 2007
Time: 7:30pm and 8:30pm (right after the plenary)
Location: Salon 2

Hope to meet you all there.

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Hi Folks,
   Here is a summary of the multimob meeting we had at IETF69. It is a 
subjective view of what happened at the meeting. Let me know if you have 
any issues, comments, or corrections.

multimob@IETF69 Summary
=======================
The goal of the bar BOF was to identify the problems that need to be 
solved in the near future. The secondary goal of the bar BOF was to 
identify the working groups in the IETF that can do the work (if any). 
The attendance for the bar BOF was as expected (27 people) covering 
researchers, implementers and operators. The problem statements were 
presented. The presentations were followed, and sometimes interrupted, 
by related discussions.


Three approaches to multicast mobility were discussed

* Remote Subscription
* Bidirectional tunneling
* Agent based

Some of the people in the meeting believed that the problems to be 
solved need to be defined by the operator (The majority,I believe). 
There were other vocal critics who believed that this is not the right 
approach to follow since the operators typically lag behind in multicast.

After the ensuing discussions, it became clear that the problems that 
need to be solved are the following

* Receiver mobility
   Issues due to latency
   * join latency - can be fixed with link layer indicators
   * leave latency - much harder to fix, may require changes to MLD,PIM

* SSM issues with mobility

Problems which are out of scope for now

* Sender mobility

These problems can theoretically be solved by extensions to existing 
unicast mobility protocols like {,f,h,p}mipv6 and extensions to 
multicast protocols like MLD and pmip6.

Conclusion
==========
We need to put in further effort to investigate if these fall under the 
charter of current working groups or not. We also need to come up with a 
collective list of requirements to work on. Further work will be done on 
the mailing list.


Cheers
Suresh


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Hi Folks,
   You can find the presentations from the meeting at Behcet's web site 
at the following URL.

http://www-etud.iro.umontreal.ca/~sarikaya/multimob/

Cheers
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On Jul 31, 2007, at 6:24 PM, Suresh Krishnan wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>   Here is a summary of the multimob meeting we had at IETF69. It is  
> a subjective view of what happened at the meeting. Let me know if  
> you have any issues, comments, or corrections.
>
> multimob@IETF69 Summary
> =======================
> The goal of the bar BOF was to identify the problems that need to  
> be solved in the near future. The secondary goal of the bar BOF was  
> to identify the working groups in the IETF that can do the work (if  
> any). The attendance for the bar BOF was as expected (27 people)  
> covering researchers, implementers and operators. The problem  
> statements were presented. The presentations were followed, and  
> sometimes interrupted, by related discussions.
>
>
> Three approaches to multicast mobility were discussed
>
> * Remote Subscription
> * Bidirectional tunneling

I suspect this could be done using Bi-Dir PIM more or less as is.  
There would have to be changes to support
SSM, and Bi-Dir has never been made interdomain, but neither should  
be that difficult in IPv6.

If anyone is interested in exploring this, please let me know.

Regards
Marshall

> * Agent based
>
> Some of the people in the meeting believed that the problems to be  
> solved need to be defined by the operator (The majority,I believe).  
> There were other vocal critics who believed that this is not the  
> right approach to follow since the operators typically lag behind  
> in multicast.
>
> After the ensuing discussions, it became clear that the problems  
> that need to be solved are the following
>
> * Receiver mobility
>   Issues due to latency
>   * join latency - can be fixed with link layer indicators
>   * leave latency - much harder to fix, may require changes to MLD,PIM
>
> * SSM issues with mobility
>
> Problems which are out of scope for now
>
> * Sender mobility
>
> These problems can theoretically be solved by extensions to  
> existing unicast mobility protocols like {,f,h,p}mipv6 and  
> extensions to multicast protocols like MLD and pmip6.
>
> Conclusion
> ==========
> We need to put in further effort to investigate if these fall under  
> the charter of current working groups or not. We also need to come  
> up with a collective list of requirements to work on. Further work  
> will be done on the mailing list.
>
>
> Cheers
> Suresh
>
>
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Hi Marshall,

Marshall Eubanks wrote:

>> Three approaches to multicast mobility were discussed
>>
>> * Remote Subscription
>> * Bidirectional tunneling
>=20
> I suspect this could be done using Bi-Dir PIM more or less as is. There=
=20
> would have to be changes to support
> SSM, and Bi-Dir has never been made interdomain, but neither should be=20
> that difficult in IPv6.
>=20
> If anyone is interested in exploring this, please let me know.
>=20
This remark on source-mobility agnostics of Bi-Dir PIM we already=20
started to discuss in MOBOPTS, cf.=20
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps ... and we=20
started keeping an eye on it a while ago: it's really interesting!

And yes, we are looking at this and are interested in working a way=20
further down there ...

For the moment I personally doubt, though, that Bi-Dir can easily be=20
extended to scale beyond domains.

Anyway, Bi-Dir PIM can at least be embedded in (mobility-agnostic)=20
hybrid approaches, cf.
http://samrg.org/about/meetings/ietf69/mw69-foilsV2.pdf

Cheers,

thomas
--=20

=B0 Prof. Dr. Thomas Schmidt
=B0 HAW Hamburg, Dept. Informatik
=B0 University of Applied Sciences
=B0 Berliner Tor 7, D 20099 Hamburg
=B0 Germany, Fon: +49-40-42875-8157
=B0 http://www.informatik.haw-hamburg.de/~schmidt

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