From schmidt@informatik.haw-hamburg.de Wed Jul 1 10:02:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AECE28C562; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:02:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SffYtADAs3yg; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.rz.htw-berlin.de (mail2.rz.fhtw-berlin.de [141.45.10.102]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F20B28C54A; Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Envelope-to: multimob@ietf.org, netlmm@ietf.org Received: from [141.22.26.203] by mail2.rz.htw-berlin.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MM3Br-000LmV-TJ; Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:01:47 +0200 Message-ID: <4A4B9673.10201@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:01:39 +0200 From: "Thomas C. Schmidt" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: multimob@ietf.org, netlmm@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [multimob] [Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-schmidt-multimob-pmipv6-mcast-deployment-01] X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:02:13 -0000 Dear all, we have just updated the draft http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-schmidt-multimob-pmipv6-mcast-deployment-01.txt with a new version that followed all the valuable feedback received from the list. In addition, some clarifications (e.g., a flow chart) etc. have been added. Please let us know about further thoughts and input so that we can continue to improve the document! See you in Stockholm Thomas -------- Original Message -------- Subject: New Version Notification for draft-schmidt-multimob-pmipv6-mcast-deployment-01 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:55:54 -0700 (PDT) From: IETF I-D Submission Tool To: Schmidt@informatik.haw-hamburg.de CC: schmidt@informatik.haw-hamburg.de,mw@link-lab.net,sarikaya@ieee.org,suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com A new version of I-D, draft-schmidt-multimob-pmipv6-mcast-deployment-01.txt has been successfuly submitted by Thomas Schmidt and posted to the IETF repository. Filename: draft-schmidt-multimob-pmipv6-mcast-deployment Revision: 01 Title: A Minimal Deployment Option for Multicast Listeners in PMIPv6 Domains Creation_date: 2009-06-29 WG ID: Independent Submission Number_of_pages: 12 Abstract: This document describes deployment options for activating multicast listener functions in Proxy Mobile IPv6 domains without modifying mobility and multicast protocol standards. Similar to Home Agents in Mobile IPv6, PMIPv6 Local Mobility Anchors serve as multicast subscription anchor points, while Mobile Access Gateways provide MLD proxy functions. In this scenario, Mobile Nodes remain agnostic of multicast mobility operations. The IETF Secretariat. -- Prof. Dr. Thomas C. Schmidt ° Hamburg University of Applied Sciences Berliner Tor 7 ° ° Dept. Informatik, Internet Technologies Group 20099 Hamburg, Germany ° ° http://www.haw-hamburg.de/inet Fon: +49-40-42875-8452 ° ° http://www.informatik.haw-hamburg.de/~schmidt Fax: +49-40-42875-8409 ° From gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk Thu Jul 2 08:01:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53EFB3A6DAE for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:01:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.549 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.549 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.050, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o2A1qIB0YSWD for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:01:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from erg.abdn.ac.uk (dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:241:204:203:baff:fe9a:8c9b]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A1CB3A6DB4 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Gorry-Fairhursts-Laptop-6.local (ra-gorry.erg.abdn.ac.uk [139.133.204.42]) (authenticated bits=0) by erg.abdn.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n62F0K46014900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:00:20 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A4CCB84.4040703@erg.abdn.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:00:20 +0100 From: Gorry Fairhurst Organization: The University of Aberdeen is a charity registered in Scotland, No SC013683. User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: multimob@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ERG-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ERG-MailScanner-From: gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk Subject: [multimob] Charter update X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:01:41 -0000 I hope we are finally there. Behcet and I propose to post the version of the Charter below to our ADs. We think we took account of all comments we received (on and off list), but have had to make a few small compromises. If you find corrections needed to wording or something significant, let us know. There is a hard deadline of 12:00 noon, GMT for this feedback, after which we'll send to our ADs. Thanks to all who engaged in this process, Gorry & Behcet ---- Multicast Mobility (multimob) Chairs: Gorry Fairhurst Behcet Sarikaya Internet Area (int) Directors: Jari Arkko Ralph Droms Internet Area Advisor: Jari Arkko Security Area Advisor: Marshall Eubanks . Mailing Lists: General Discussion: multimob@ietf.org Subscribe online at: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob Description of Working Group The Multicast mobility (multimob) will develop protocol extensions and provide guidance for supporting IPv6 (and also IPv4) multicast in a mobile environment. It will consider both source specific multicast (SSM) and any source multicast (ASM) multicast models. The scope of work will be limited to Proxy Mobile IPv6, MLD/IGMP protocols and listener mobility. Work requiring modifications of multicast routing protocols is out of scope. Specific goals are: - Specify PMIPv6 extensions to support IPv6 multicast including remote subscription and fast handover. - Specify IGMP/MLD extensions methods for mobility. The Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PMIPv6) specification as defined in RFC 5213 does not explicitly define support for multicast. The WG will work on solutions for multicast support in PMIPv6. It will document basic support for multicast with remote subscription. Such basic support will not require any additions or changes to RFC 5213 specified message types and parameters, and will assume an unmodified mobile host. Remote subscription is a mechanism by which a mobile node joins a multicast group and receives multicast data forwarded via the local mobility anchor. If required, basic multicast support may be extended to support optimizations to address the avalanche problem and fast handover. IGMPv3/MLDv2 has been specified for wired networks with shared links. Mobile nodes also have other needs (e.g. entering a dormant mode to conserve battery power, minimising the latency for joining and leaving a group in support of movement). Mobile nodes also have other needs that are specific to wireless networks and mobility. The WG will assess existing solutions for group management, and determine if these methods are sufficient in a mobile environment. This will include recommending appropriate selection of timer values and protocol parameters. If current methods are not sufficient, the WG shall specify updates to existing protocols. It is a goal for the WG to ensure backward compatibility with current implementations of group management protocols. New IGMP/MLD message types may be specified to optimize mobile performance. Since these could be ignored, dropped or improperly forwarded by existing hosts, switches, routers and proxies, these will not be necessary for proper IGMP/MLD performance, albeit with a partial or total loss of the intended performance optimization in deployments that do not fully support them. Future work, subject to approval, may study/evaluate whether extensions are needed for the client-based mobility protocols (Mobile IPv6 and Dual-Stack Mobile IPv6). Future work may also include protocol extensions to support source mobility and methods to allow a multi-homed mobile node to join multicast groups and direct multicast flows to appropriate local interfaces. In performing this work, the Multimob working group will work closely with NETLMM working group and will coordinate work on IGMP/MLD extensions with the MBONED working group. GOALS and MILESTONES: Six months: - Submit a document explaining use of multicast in PMIPv6, for publication as an INFO/BCP RFC. - Submit a document on how to tune MLD for mobility, for publication as an INFO/BCP RFC. One year: - Submit a document on extensions for multicast mobility in PMIPv6 as an EXP/PS RFC. - Submit a document on IGMP/MLD extensions for multicast mobility as an EXP/PS RFC. Recharter or close working group. From gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk Thu Jul 2 08:01:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7261E3A6DB0 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:01:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.046, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GymkhZrznPh3 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:01:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from erg.abdn.ac.uk (dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:241:204:203:baff:fe9a:8c9b]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85F2E3A6F17 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Gorry-Fairhursts-Laptop-6.local (ra-gorry.erg.abdn.ac.uk [139.133.204.42]) (authenticated bits=0) by erg.abdn.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n62F0Qnt014909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:00:27 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A4CCB8A.9030903@erg.abdn.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:00:26 +0100 From: Gorry Fairhurst Organization: The University of Aberdeen is a charity registered in Scotland, No SC013683. User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: multimob@ietf.org, gorry Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ERG-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ERG-MailScanner-From: gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk Subject: [multimob] Charter update X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:01:41 -0000 I hope we are finally there. Behcet and I propose to post the version of the Charter below to our ADs. We think we took account of all comments we received (on and off list), but have had to make a few small compromises. If you find corrections needed to wording or something significant, let us know. There is a hard deadline of 12:00 noon, GMT for this feedback, after which we'll send to our ADs. Thanks to all who engaged in this process, Gorry & Behcet ---- Multicast Mobility (multimob) Chairs: Gorry Fairhurst Behcet Sarikaya Internet Area (int) Directors: Jari Arkko Ralph Droms Internet Area Advisor: Jari Arkko Security Area Advisor: Marshall Eubanks . Mailing Lists: General Discussion: multimob@ietf.org Subscribe online at: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob Description of Working Group The Multicast mobility (multimob) will develop protocol extensions and provide guidance for supporting IPv6 (and also IPv4) multicast in a mobile environment. It will consider both source specific multicast (SSM) and any source multicast (ASM) multicast models. The scope of work will be limited to Proxy Mobile IPv6, MLD/IGMP protocols and listener mobility. Work requiring modifications of multicast routing protocols is out of scope. Specific goals are: - Specify PMIPv6 extensions to support IPv6 multicast including remote subscription and fast handover. - Specify IGMP/MLD extensions methods for mobility. The Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PMIPv6) specification as defined in RFC 5213 does not explicitly define support for multicast. The WG will work on solutions for multicast support in PMIPv6. It will document basic support for multicast with remote subscription. Such basic support will not require any additions or changes to RFC 5213 specified message types and parameters, and will assume an unmodified mobile host. Remote subscription is a mechanism by which a mobile node joins a multicast group and receives multicast data forwarded via the local mobility anchor. If required, basic multicast support may be extended to support optimizations to address the avalanche problem and fast handover. IGMPv3/MLDv2 has been specified for wired networks with shared links. Mobile nodes also have other needs (e.g. entering a dormant mode to conserve battery power, minimising the latency for joining and leaving a group in support of movement). Mobile nodes also have other needs that are specific to wireless networks and mobility. The WG will assess existing solutions for group management, and determine if these methods are sufficient in a mobile environment. This will include recommending appropriate selection of timer values and protocol parameters. If current methods are not sufficient, the WG shall specify updates to existing protocols. It is a goal for the WG to ensure backward compatibility with current implementations of group management protocols. New IGMP/MLD message types may be specified to optimize mobile performance. Since these could be ignored, dropped or improperly forwarded by existing hosts, switches, routers and proxies, these will not be necessary for proper IGMP/MLD performance, albeit with a partial or total loss of the intended performance optimization in deployments that do not fully support them. Future work, subject to approval, may study/evaluate whether extensions are needed for the client-based mobility protocols (Mobile IPv6 and Dual-Stack Mobile IPv6). Future work may also include protocol extensions to support source mobility and methods to allow a multi-homed mobile node to join multicast groups and direct multicast flows to appropriate local interfaces. In performing this work, the Multimob working group will work closely with NETLMM working group and will coordinate work on IGMP/MLD extensions with the MBONED working group. GOALS and MILESTONES: Six months: - Submit a document explaining use of multicast in PMIPv6, for publication as an INFO/BCP RFC. - Submit a document on how to tune MLD for mobility, for publication as an INFO/BCP RFC. One year: - Submit a document on extensions for multicast mobility in PMIPv6 as an EXP/PS RFC. - Submit a document on IGMP/MLD extensions for multicast mobility as an EXP/PS RFC. Recharter or close working group. From jouni.nospam@gmail.com Thu Jul 2 14:24:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C6D43A6D5A for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 14:24:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.416 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.416 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.183, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5be0sQyvHMCL for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 14:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.156]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C65DE3A6803 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 14:23:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 16so540565fgg.18 for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:23:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:cc:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=ra5uQEFqgM0EM3OKOHiWM6r1Lqio6t+NZKfS+K6jlNY=; b=wj20UQ1nqgJtO3MDY3YG1B16PGhNFpMmUo80JPpgE64bXhVTjhHlIEVhJesVdte9M/ ExugGKcUyi+EIw2BD3I80y2Lo7fbsi8TsXxosdg/KOcGRimfAnltARKBS4EhaViD5UEy YPHLMg65VHI2cS1OlMm7ELSIi2MQLSHvTodSk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=cc:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=MDwm+Do0eROpX9K7TqwJHktbgMEBhfHBP97jT9qW4VeanZejUo0TKHf8cUHI9Gltpq sDxyVH4R4GuJGatqZqCqPQofHldSC2e29GDLk+VxUmAfaNnp+mF2v2Ey1tCLEKpOFSoz /OdjjtrbsGxK952GvwlD+mymJcqgvFiMAtZBs= Received: by 10.86.96.18 with SMTP id t18mr695360fgb.58.1246569837553; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:23:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a88-114-68-208.elisa-laajakaista.fi (a88-114-68-208.elisa-laajakaista.fi [88.114.68.208]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm15130027fge.18.2009.07.02.14.23.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:23:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <0DEE1184-BF1C-4B8A-B7C4-B2D25D3109C8@gmail.com> From: jouni korhonen To: gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4A4CCB84.4040703@erg.abdn.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 00:23:55 +0300 References: <4A4CCB84.4040703@erg.abdn.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] Charter update X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:24:49 -0000 Hi Gorry, Behcet, Thanks for the new revised charter! It looks mostly fine to me. However, I still have few minor nits ;) Comments again prefixed with [JiK]. Cheers, Jouni On Jul 2, 2009, at 6:00 PM, Gorry Fairhurst wrote: > I hope we are finally there. > > Behcet and I propose to post the version of the Charter below to our > ADs. We think we took account of all comments we received (on and > off list), but have had to make a few small compromises. > > If you find corrections needed to wording or something significant, > let us know. There is a hard deadline of 12:00 noon, GMT for this > feedback, after which we'll send to our ADs. > > Thanks to all who engaged in this process, > > Gorry & Behcet > > ---- > > > Multicast Mobility (multimob) > > Chairs: > Gorry Fairhurst > Behcet Sarikaya > > Internet Area (int) Directors: > Jari Arkko > Ralph Droms > > Internet Area Advisor: > Jari Arkko > > Security Area Advisor: > Marshall Eubanks . > > Mailing Lists: > General Discussion: multimob@ietf.org > Subscribe online at: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob > > Description of Working Group > > The Multicast mobility (multimob) will develop protocol extensions > and provide guidance for supporting IPv6 (and also IPv4) > multicast in a mobile environment. It will consider both source > specific multicast (SSM) and any source multicast (ASM) multicast > models. The scope of work will be limited to Proxy Mobile IPv6, MLD/ > IGMP > protocols and listener mobility. Work requiring modifications of > multicast routing protocols is out of scope. > > Specific goals are: > - Specify PMIPv6 extensions to support IPv6 multicast including > remote subscription and fast handover. > - Specify IGMP/MLD extensions methods for mobility. > > The Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PMIPv6) specification as defined in RFC 5213 > does not > explicitly define support for multicast. The WG will work on > solutions for multicast support in PMIPv6. It will document basic > support for multicast with remote subscription. Such basic support > will not require any additions or changes to RFC 5213 specified > message types and parameters, and will assume an unmodified mobile > host. Remote > subscription is a mechanism by which a mobile node joins a multicast > group and receives multicast data forwarded via the local mobility > anchor. If required, basic multicast support may be extended to > support optimizations to address the avalanche problem and fast > handover. > > IGMPv3/MLDv2 has been specified for wired networks with > shared links. Mobile nodes also have other needs (e.g. entering a > dormant mode to conserve battery power, minimising the latency for > joining and leaving a group in support of movement). Mobile nodes > also have other needs that are specific to wireless networks and > mobility. [JiK] The above paragraph seems to be a bit off. I'd propose the following editorial change: "IGMPv3/MLDv2 has been specified for wired networks with shared links. Mobile nodes also have other needs that are specific to wireless networks and mobility (e.g. entering a dormant mode to conserve battery power, minimising the latency for joining and leaving a group in support of movement)." > > > The WG will assess existing solutions for group management, and > determine if these methods are sufficient in a mobile environment. > This will include recommending appropriate selection of timer values > and protocol parameters. If current methods are not sufficient, the WG > shall specify updates to existing protocols. It is a goal for the WG > to > ensure backward compatibility with current implementations of > group management protocols. New IGMP/MLD message types > may be specified to optimize mobile performance. Since these > could be ignored, dropped or improperly forwarded by existing hosts, > switches, routers and proxies, these will not be necessary for proper > IGMP/MLD performance, albeit with a partial or total loss of the > intended performance optimization in deployments that do not fully > support them. > > Future work, subject to approval, may study/evaluate whether > extensions are needed for the client-based mobility protocols > (Mobile IPv6 and Dual-Stack Mobile IPv6). Future work may also > include protocol extensions to support source mobility and methods > to allow a multi-homed mobile node to join multicast groups and > direct multicast flows to appropriate local interfaces. [JiK] Can't multi-homed host/mobile nodes already join multicast groups? Also, I think a "clever" multi-homed host can direct multicast flows between its interfaces with a stock MLDv[12]. So, what's the beef here? > > > In performing this work, the Multimob working group will work closely > with NETLMM working group and will coordinate work on IGMP/MLD > extensions with the MBONED working group. > > GOALS and MILESTONES: > > Six months: > - Submit a document explaining use of multicast in PMIPv6, for > publication as an INFO/BCP RFC. > - Submit a document on how to tune MLD for mobility, for publication > as an INFO/BCP RFC. > > One year: > - Submit a document on extensions for multicast mobility in PMIPv6 > as an EXP/PS RFC. > - Submit a document on IGMP/MLD extensions for multicast mobility as > an EXP/PS RFC. > > Recharter or close working group. > > > _______________________________________________ > multimob mailing list > multimob@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob From behcetsarikaya@yahoo.com Thu Jul 2 15:25:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E14D43A6B0E for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:25:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.751 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.751 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.548, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DbNf5K8jBfd2 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com (n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com [68.142.237.91]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id DC9B73A6951 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:25:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2009 22:25:56 -0000 Received: from [67.195.9.82] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2009 22:25:55 -0000 Received: from [67.195.9.111] by t2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2009 22:25:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2009 22:25:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 698087.15519.bm@omp115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 30171 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jul 2009 22:25:55 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1246573555; bh=m+0cB4q6SOHksWUomr9CX3gqpgpiawcyrLYvS1+ZCZc=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OV9o0ERq9+CKVWGqzlZQMorj4tWuZ6cSIrKYS/faZH869var+btVuuE2Hf9d7yvR7/YghExwx4f0NfFfPv728vpd9Vlu4KxrhUJy56pWXMji+pASeAXOw/3Wnk2lNJPdt4QQrNdtTKaC1ZNMjoec87XKTXPXWT/Sp60GDmbY7FM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=R7nFJ+mMD0whQYQ9X+UsilPDGhNFb/X2SCtDX21DPJcdVcDjEwpm09nldtM9nNMJozYhcN6YCt/p28l51hQtsPWYgeEXKL7d5aICzXC34lB3URRcULgxLXVx+f2pJQhh/8wHSvg9hZ3HuJne/UZMjHmtc9J7I+QBxTOlOXm8MVw=; Message-ID: <517894.29527.qm@web111403.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: iCZfVeEVM1nd6EX.NjbGgDjxfL4iEWt0JMc635YmPW6TM63o0oZDWMzeKncbfcnej3LmnKssnLb.5nRt5e4DvMoMq6vX8914tBansGfZfkS7TPxJKaRoty9jH5Ay6hLX3_Ix5k2YF2vv2XbXoN_unYtDHh6SErhWn5VsBP0nGE1QwvYuDoJenxVawgRmttDbArHjEZAwnVBFpJw9USpbQr0AjpBVD4XwYhhD1736qo42REITejHx7ojKnm.HTXgdRKSMPoREceaqzRJ.YXjpMxGojjfYKea57iUZ9G0G5TzJgQusyqOUbho- Received: from [206.16.17.212] by web111403.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:25:55 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.21 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 References: <4A4CCB84.4040703@erg.abdn.ac.uk> <0DEE1184-BF1C-4B8A-B7C4-B2D25D3109C8@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:25:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Behcet Sarikaya To: jouni korhonen In-Reply-To: <0DEE1184-BF1C-4B8A-B7C4-B2D25D3109C8@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] Charter update X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Behcet Sarikaya List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:25:36 -0000 Hi Jouni,=0A=0A=A0=0A=0A=0A> > =0A> > IGMPv3/MLDv2 has been specified for w= ired networks with=0A> > shared links. Mobile nodes also have other needs (= e.g.=A0 entering a=0A> > dormant mode to conserve battery power, minimising= the latency for=0A> > joining and leaving a group in support of movement).= Mobile nodes also have =0A> other needs that are specific to wireless netw= orks and mobility.=0A> =0A> [JiK] The above paragraph seems to be a bit off= .. I'd propose the following =0A> editorial change:=0A> =0A> "IGMPv3/MLDv2 h= as been specified for wired networks with=0A> shared links. Mobile nodes al= so have other needs that are specific=0A> to wireless networks and mobility= (e.g.=A0 entering a dormant mode to=0A> conserve battery power, minimising= the latency for joining and=0A> leaving a group in support of movement)."= =0A=0AOK. This looks better, we'll update the charter as requested.=0A=0A= =0A> > The WG will assess existing solutions for group management, and=0A> = > determine if these methods are sufficient in a mobile environment.=0A> > = This will include recommending appropriate selection of timer values=0A> > = and protocol parameters. If current methods are not sufficient, the WG=0A> = > shall specify updates to existing protocols. It is a goal for the WG to= =0A> > ensure backward compatibility with current implementations of=0A> > = group management protocols. New IGMP/MLD message types=0A> > may be specifi= ed to optimize mobile performance. Since these=0A> > could be ignored, drop= ped or improperly forwarded by existing hosts,=0A> > switches, routers and = proxies, these will not be necessary for proper=0A> > IGMP/MLD performance,= albeit with a partial or total loss of the=0A> > intended performance opti= mization in deployments that do not fully=0A> > support them.=0A> > =0A> > = Future work, subject to approval, may study/evaluate whether extensions are= =0A> needed for the client-based mobility protocols (Mobile IPv6 and Dual-= Stack =0A> Mobile IPv6). Future work may also include protocol extensions t= o support source =0A> mobility=A0 and methods to allow a multi-homed mobile= node to join multicast =0A> groups and direct multicast flows to appropria= te local interfaces.=0A> =0A> [JiK] Can't multi-homed host/mobile nodes alr= eady join multicast groups? Also, I =0A> think a "clever" multi-homed host = can direct multicast flows between its =0A> interfaces with a stock MLDv[12= ]. So, what's the beef here?=0A=0AThis is future work. We don't know at the= moment how things will evolve. But maybe the work could involve the defini= tion of a "clever" multi-homed host and related protocol modifications. =0A= Or some other things related to multicast flows. =0AWe suggest keeping it a= s future work?=0A=0ARegards,=0A=0ABehcet=0A=0A=0A From jouni.nospam@gmail.com Fri Jul 3 01:32:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E08CB3A6B30 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 01:32:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.039 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.039 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.560, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h5b9YAG5nz7d for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 01:32:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ew0-f215.google.com (mail-ew0-f215.google.com [209.85.219.215]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF67D3A687E for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 01:32:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ewy11 with SMTP id 11so862830ewy.37 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 01:32:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:cc:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=n9+I2owXZ/svLvD9AQwG6qpuxHr/0NUhGY7ptrzGwYQ=; b=UwbsQuVnUviiNXniN70awfmOcsdMdZ6PJK+JKSvKtbE8UmeEqN2JIKLzRQRx3ZOIof c8wnwn8UMY1PqdLzKteP6fii4HaeNjEftvQW+f8zDVx7vkw9WJ4nha/K+k+3abtuBg2L 2IRwb5KUEScYjBteWfD2Fq3FFD/R8BDMKL7yM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=cc:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=hMXdKMrVZJMMTnTBkoY8tIKhE6+nOK1vyWvpvuaJQRGaa4Tax3Mgmu47ZVNMHul4in PSipf3vccO2w2s4k4Oau9jr+rCw90U4UYgkfMrAGtcA5gg57wQ7JcHWfHTE0dF8bNeNu 1MSooFHfDyFeXHuNRaFuR0tLT4mqPzOWQQ5Yo= Received: by 10.210.70.14 with SMTP id s14mr612283eba.38.1246609948206; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 01:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.254.0.121? ([192.100.123.77]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm2225838eya.29.2009.07.03.01.32.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 03 Jul 2009 01:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1B334D1F-0AC3-4A81-853C-B4B9F1F12733@gmail.com> From: jouni korhonen To: Behcet Sarikaya In-Reply-To: <517894.29527.qm@web111403.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 11:32:23 +0300 References: <4A4CCB84.4040703@erg.abdn.ac.uk> <0DEE1184-BF1C-4B8A-B7C4-B2D25D3109C8@gmail.com> <517894.29527.qm@web111403.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] Charter update X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 08:32:09 -0000 Behcet, On Jul 3, 2009, at 1:25 AM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: > > Hi Jouni, >> [snip] >>> Future work, subject to approval, may study/evaluate whether >>> extensions are >> needed for the client-based mobility protocols (Mobile IPv6 and >> Dual-Stack >> Mobile IPv6). Future work may also include protocol extensions to >> support source >> mobility and methods to allow a multi-homed mobile node to join >> multicast >> groups and direct multicast flows to appropriate local interfaces. >> >> [JiK] Can't multi-homed host/mobile nodes already join multicast >> groups? Also, I >> think a "clever" multi-homed host can direct multicast flows >> between its >> interfaces with a stock MLDv[12]. So, what's the beef here? > > This is future work. We don't know at the moment how things will > evolve. But maybe the work could involve the definition of a > "clever" multi-homed host and related protocol modifications. > Or some other things related to multicast flows. > We suggest keeping it as future work? I am fine with the other future work listen in the above paragraph. I just don't see immediately what work there could be related to multi- homed hosts and moving multicast feeds between its interfaces (be those of the same access technology or different). As of today a multi- homed host can join and leave multicast groups independently on each of its interface. That can be controlled on the application level (i.e. the "clever" host). Maybe there is something to optimize in an multi-access tech multi- homed host case that I am not aware of. At minimum I would suggest to rephrase the: "...and methods to allow a multi-homed mobile node to join multicast groups and direct multicast flows to appropriate local interfaces" to "...and optimizations to direct multicast flows to appropriate interfaces in a multi-homed host" Cheers, Jouni > > > Regards, > > Behcet > > > > From gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk Fri Jul 3 02:06:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE8703A6E88 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 02:06:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.509 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.509 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.090, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q00JgG5T4osc for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 02:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from erg.abdn.ac.uk (dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:241:204:203:baff:fe9a:8c9b]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B55243A6BB9 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 02:03:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Gorry-Fairhursts-Laptop-6.local (fgrpf.plus.com [212.159.18.54]) (authenticated bits=0) by erg.abdn.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n6393cHl012822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 3 Jul 2009 10:03:39 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A4DC96A.4090008@erg.abdn.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 10:03:38 +0100 From: Gorry Fairhurst Organization: The University of Aberdeen is a charity registered in Scotland, No SC013683. User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jouni korhonen References: <4A4CCB84.4040703@erg.abdn.ac.uk> <0DEE1184-BF1C-4B8A-B7C4-B2D25D3109C8@gmail.com> <517894.29527.qm@web111403.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1B334D1F-0AC3-4A81-853C-B4B9F1F12733@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1B334D1F-0AC3-4A81-853C-B4B9F1F12733@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ERG-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ERG-MailScanner-From: gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] Charter update X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:06:19 -0000 The first change looks good, and I believe we have all benefited from the discussions on the charter. I agree with Behcet, let's make the change in your last email. I'm not sure we need the last change proposed at the end of this email. Specifically I am not keen on unpacking or detailing the future work paragraph - If the main scope of work is addreseed, I would expect there to be much more experience of interactions and implications on v4 and v6 stacks. I would also very much expect a future rechartering process to discuss exactly what is needed in this space. I'd suggest avoid fine-tuning the wording here. Gorry jouni korhonen wrote: > Behcet, > > > On Jul 3, 2009, at 1:25 AM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: > >> >> Hi Jouni, >>> > > [snip] > > >>>> Future work, subject to approval, may study/evaluate whether >>>> extensions are >>> needed for the client-based mobility protocols (Mobile IPv6 and >>> Dual-Stack >>> Mobile IPv6). Future work may also include protocol extensions to >>> support source >>> mobility and methods to allow a multi-homed mobile node to join >>> multicast >>> groups and direct multicast flows to appropriate local interfaces. >>> >>> [JiK] Can't multi-homed host/mobile nodes already join multicast >>> groups? Also, I >>> think a "clever" multi-homed host can direct multicast flows between its >>> interfaces with a stock MLDv[12]. So, what's the beef here? >> >> This is future work. We don't know at the moment how things will >> evolve. But maybe the work could involve the definition of a "clever" >> multi-homed host and related protocol modifications. >> Or some other things related to multicast flows. >> We suggest keeping it as future work? > > > I am fine with the other future work listen in the above paragraph. I > just don't see immediately what work there could be related to > multi-homed hosts and moving multicast feeds between its interfaces (be > those of the same access technology or different). As of today a > multi-homed host can join and leave multicast groups independently on > each of its interface. That can be controlled on the application level > (i.e. the "clever" host). > > Maybe there is something to optimize in an multi-access tech multi-homed > host case that I am not aware of. At minimum I would suggest to rephrase > the: > "...and methods to allow a multi-homed mobile node to join multicast > groups and direct multicast flows to appropriate local interfaces" > > to > > "...and optimizations to direct multicast flows to appropriate > interfaces in a multi-homed host" > > > Cheers, > Jouni > > >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Behcet >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > multimob mailing list > multimob@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob > > From jouni.nospam@gmail.com Fri Jul 3 02:19:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 190833A6C41 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 02:19:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.109 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.109 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.490, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wnDV1SAoiMPG for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 02:19:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ew0-f215.google.com (mail-ew0-f215.google.com [209.85.219.215]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C41F93A6BAB for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 02:19:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ewy11 with SMTP id 11so892335ewy.37 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 02:20:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:cc:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=D+agsY49vy8vcW16JIkvDAY4ZjWzjkcB6JzSRlZHXLM=; b=STO1XZD4MGKEy02YMZ4GQKEWMqOmtmgzLzfiw/MK7h1MXPcqxLkDZpxI6rrdd+ROpQ 0n/f1wtNh8jqtvw5uOkB3Pf74JkohAib6sAkor4irtquUW7s73mWoRFt7tiZRaAVgNDZ 3ERRx5uqzwl24UGffMv7idofV21qqkK96r/5M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=cc:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=nFV/9lEaMPGti8Sy/MBArnjumohaJ6Nrzic83xVyk+drgQG4rBs+5QkjJNuOnQH43A 8X/HwOQIjL3vEHaT5LyVKjOgYW8XQwiNo+1ihb7feyQg5yvfG/6htpPX3c6cse78Wr5y cenF2EOrFg15FruFamOTkCiIEMlMMWo3LNXRw= Received: by 10.210.76.4 with SMTP id y4mr1331115eba.86.1246612813286; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 02:20:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.254.0.121? ([192.100.123.77]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 28sm8448893eyg.54.2009.07.03.02.20.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 03 Jul 2009 02:20:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <748762AD-E801-4D48-A546-ABF63A79E878@gmail.com> From: jouni korhonen To: gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4A4DC96A.4090008@erg.abdn.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:20:09 +0300 References: <4A4CCB84.4040703@erg.abdn.ac.uk> <0DEE1184-BF1C-4B8A-B7C4-B2D25D3109C8@gmail.com> <517894.29527.qm@web111403.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1B334D1F-0AC3-4A81-853C-B4B9F1F12733@gmail.com> <4A4DC96A.4090008@erg.abdn.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] Charter update X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:19:56 -0000 Ok, fair enough. Cheers, Jouni On Jul 3, 2009, at 12:03 PM, Gorry Fairhurst wrote: > The first change looks good, and I believe we have all benefited > from the discussions on the charter. > > I agree with Behcet, let's make the change in your last email. > > I'm not sure we need the last change proposed at the end of this > email. Specifically I am not keen on unpacking or detailing the > future work paragraph - If the main scope of work is addreseed, I > would expect there to be much more experience of interactions and > implications on v4 and v6 stacks. I would also very much expect a > future rechartering process to discuss exactly what is needed in > this space. > > I'd suggest avoid fine-tuning the wording here. > > Gorry > > jouni korhonen wrote: >> Behcet, >> On Jul 3, 2009, at 1:25 AM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: >>> >>> Hi Jouni, >>>> >> [snip] >>>>> Future work, subject to approval, may study/evaluate whether >>>>> extensions are >>>> needed for the client-based mobility protocols (Mobile IPv6 and >>>> Dual-Stack >>>> Mobile IPv6). Future work may also include protocol extensions to >>>> support source >>>> mobility and methods to allow a multi-homed mobile node to join >>>> multicast >>>> groups and direct multicast flows to appropriate local interfaces. >>>> >>>> [JiK] Can't multi-homed host/mobile nodes already join multicast >>>> groups? Also, I >>>> think a "clever" multi-homed host can direct multicast flows >>>> between its >>>> interfaces with a stock MLDv[12]. So, what's the beef here? >>> >>> This is future work. We don't know at the moment how things will >>> evolve. But maybe the work could involve the definition of a >>> "clever" multi-homed host and related protocol modifications. >>> Or some other things related to multicast flows. >>> We suggest keeping it as future work? >> I am fine with the other future work listen in the above paragraph. >> I just don't see immediately what work there could be related to >> multi-homed hosts and moving multicast feeds between its interfaces >> (be those of the same access technology or different). As of today >> a multi-homed host can join and leave multicast groups >> independently on each of its interface. That can be controlled on >> the application level (i.e. the "clever" host). >> Maybe there is something to optimize in an multi-access tech multi- >> homed host case that I am not aware of. At minimum I would suggest >> to rephrase the: >> "...and methods to allow a multi-homed mobile node to join >> multicast groups and direct multicast flows to appropriate local >> interfaces" >> to >> "...and optimizations to direct multicast flows to appropriate >> interfaces in a multi-homed host" >> Cheers, >> Jouni >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Behcet >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> multimob mailing list >> multimob@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob > From schmidt@informatik.haw-hamburg.de Fri Jul 3 02:20:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C8E3A6CB8 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 02:20:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 92ryfcjfqKyi for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 02:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.rz.htw-berlin.de (mail2.rz.fhtw-berlin.de [141.45.10.102]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B46D3A6BAB for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 02:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Envelope-to: multimob@ietf.org Received: from e178156175.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.156.175] helo=[192.168.178.29]) by mail2.rz.htw-berlin.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MMewS-000DBS-10; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:20:24 +0200 Message-ID: <4A4DCD57.6060308@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:20:23 +0200 From: "Thomas C. Schmidt" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk References: <4A4CCB84.4040703@erg.abdn.ac.uk> <0DEE1184-BF1C-4B8A-B7C4-B2D25D3109C8@gmail.com> <517894.29527.qm@web111403.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1B334D1F-0AC3-4A81-853C-B4B9F1F12733@gmail.com> <4A4DC96A.4090008@erg.abdn.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4A4DC96A.4090008@erg.abdn.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] Charter update X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:20:04 -0000 Hi Gorry & Jouni, Gorry Fairhurst wrote: > > I'm not sure we need the last change proposed at the end of this email. > Specifically I am not keen on unpacking or detailing the future work > paragraph - If the main scope of work is addreseed, I would expect there > to be much more experience of interactions and implications on v4 and v6 > stacks. I would also very much expect a future rechartering process to > discuss exactly what is needed in this space. > > I'd suggest avoid fine-tuning the wording here. > This appears quite convincing to me: Once we have worked on the subject & in the group for some while and intensity, a rechartering discussion will most likely be aware of additional experiences and insights, also from the work of the other mobility groups. So I agree with Gorry to not dive to deeply into the issues of a future rechartering ... Best regards, Thomas > jouni korhonen wrote: >> Behcet, >> >> >> On Jul 3, 2009, at 1:25 AM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi Jouni, >>>> >> >> [snip] >> >> >>>>> Future work, subject to approval, may study/evaluate whether >>>>> extensions are >>>> needed for the client-based mobility protocols (Mobile IPv6 and >>>> Dual-Stack >>>> Mobile IPv6). Future work may also include protocol extensions to >>>> support source >>>> mobility and methods to allow a multi-homed mobile node to join >>>> multicast >>>> groups and direct multicast flows to appropriate local interfaces. >>>> >>>> [JiK] Can't multi-homed host/mobile nodes already join multicast >>>> groups? Also, I >>>> think a "clever" multi-homed host can direct multicast flows between >>>> its >>>> interfaces with a stock MLDv[12]. So, what's the beef here? >>> >>> This is future work. We don't know at the moment how things will >>> evolve. But maybe the work could involve the definition of a "clever" >>> multi-homed host and related protocol modifications. >>> Or some other things related to multicast flows. >>> We suggest keeping it as future work? >> >> >> I am fine with the other future work listen in the above paragraph. I >> just don't see immediately what work there could be related to >> multi-homed hosts and moving multicast feeds between its interfaces >> (be those of the same access technology or different). As of today a >> multi-homed host can join and leave multicast groups independently on >> each of its interface. That can be controlled on the application level >> (i.e. the "clever" host). >> >> Maybe there is something to optimize in an multi-access tech >> multi-homed host case that I am not aware of. At minimum I would >> suggest to rephrase the: >> "...and methods to allow a multi-homed mobile node to join multicast >> groups and direct multicast flows to appropriate local interfaces" >> >> to >> >> "...and optimizations to direct multicast flows to appropriate >> interfaces in a multi-homed host" >> >> >> Cheers, >> Jouni >> >> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Behcet >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> multimob mailing list >> multimob@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > multimob mailing list > multimob@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob -- Prof. Dr. Thomas C. Schmidt ° Hamburg University of Applied Sciences Berliner Tor 7 ° ° Dept. Informatik, Internet Technologies Group 20099 Hamburg, Germany ° ° http://www.haw-hamburg.de/inet Fon: +49-40-42875-8452 ° ° http://www.informatik.haw-hamburg.de/~schmidt Fax: +49-40-42875-8409 ° From sijeon79@gmail.com Sat Jul 4 05:54:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AAFC3A6A8A for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 05:54:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fF+wzNFO1orE for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 05:54:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-px0-f178.google.com (mail-px0-f178.google.com [209.85.216.178]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 999A93A6359 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 05:54:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pxi8 with SMTP id 8so3411188pxi.29 for ; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 05:55:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-mailer:thread-index:x-mimeole; bh=vx4vKSO8PQVh+1jmASI5YmH5awL4EoAw1wrAW7qSK2w=; b=riDJcxy+Olm1f/9BAZtPpDpjxN6WUe+u9SVu5e0A3L6XyWAkukRN/osNsEDMjhXc4I qmvuaZgoQeJGxtUggoxOnrbSyhpBEY/jESh8MtWPhYWlqS/ZFyfcF+95B8C98w+jx4Q3 EYxk+3IWDCeQAxx0k8ZTEilg/P5ftdZzj0V1w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:x-mimeole; b=UgKiststn+33rwKcB7euqCLp013eaSIKqX3Pte12lVpFUL16b0s+XKq3mT8Y4+VtwZ NOydWCKYoi0lldapxOQVN+1bNry9H+Pe3Uzw6Mxm+47pt34TGcJvG4dsYpzIx1RsoQot anvCOZ9gcdai38MNjY3zy8zNO+9q7a1R/oJpY= Received: by 10.142.136.3 with SMTP id j3mr812258wfd.328.1246712102142; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 05:55:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dcn153 ([220.70.2.100]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 29sm4950883wfg.1.2009.07.04.05.55.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 04 Jul 2009 05:55:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "Seil Jeon" To: Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 21:54:46 +0900 Message-ID: <015701c9fca6$9d6b85d0$640246dc@dcn153> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acn8pVrNZOqAVIV0Rlmit5en7PAVGAAAH/8w X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Subject: [multimob] FW: New Version Notification for draft-sijeon-multimob-mms-pmip6-00 X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 12:54:40 -0000 Hello.. multimob All.. We have submitted a new draft for PMIPv6 multicasting. Please take a look and let us know if you have any comments. Thank you.. http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/staging/draft-sijeon-multimob-mms-pmip6- 00.txt -----Original Message----- From: IETF I-D Submission Tool [mailto:idsubmission@ietf.org] Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 9:45 PM To: sijeon@dcn.ssu.ac.kr Cc: jaehwoon@dongguk.edu; yhkim@dcn.ssu.ac.kr Subject: New Version Notification for draft-sijeon-multimob-mms-pmip6-00 A new version of I-D, draft-sijeon-multimob-mms-pmip6-00.txt has been successfuly submitted by Seil Jeon and posted to the IETF repository. Filename: draft-sijeon-multimob-mms-pmip6 Revision: 00 Title: Mobile Multicasting Support in Proxy Mobile IPv6 Creation_date: 2009-07-04 WG ID: Independent Submission Number_of_pages: 9 Abstract: To support IP-based group communication such as mobile IPTV in mobile environment, IP multicasting is required. Two major constraints in mobile multicasting are the tunnel convergence problem and high handover latency. To reduce the constraints, several mobile multicasting schemes based on Mobile IP have been proposed. To provide efficient mobile multicast service related to two problems, we present a multicasting architecture and fast handover scheme for Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PMIPv6). The IETF Secretariat. From schmidt@informatik.haw-hamburg.de Sat Jul 4 06:25:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E2428C294 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 06:25:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lC4znZnpR9Tc for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 06:25:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.rz.htw-berlin.de (mail2.rz.fhtw-berlin.de [141.45.10.102]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B573A685F for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 06:25:41 -0700 (PDT) Envelope-to: multimob@ietf.org Received: from e178160146.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.160.146] helo=[192.168.178.29]) by mail2.rz.htw-berlin.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MN5Fj-0008h5-ID; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:26:03 +0200 Message-ID: <4A4F5865.2020601@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:25:57 +0200 From: "Thomas C. Schmidt" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Seil Jeon References: <015701c9fca6$9d6b85d0$640246dc@dcn153> In-Reply-To: <015701c9fca6$9d6b85d0$640246dc@dcn153> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] FW: New Version Notification for draft-sijeon-multimob-mms-pmip6-00 X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:25:43 -0000 Hi Seil, I have a quick question: In your scenario, how do you expect MLD Reports to arrive at the MR? Thanks, Thomas Seil Jeon wrote: > > Hello.. multimob All.. > > We have submitted a new draft for PMIPv6 multicasting. > > Please take a look and let us know if you have any comments. > > Thank you.. > > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/staging/draft-sijeon-multimob-mms-pmip6- > 00.txt > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: IETF I-D Submission Tool [mailto:idsubmission@ietf.org] > Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 9:45 PM > To: sijeon@dcn.ssu.ac.kr > Cc: jaehwoon@dongguk.edu; yhkim@dcn.ssu.ac.kr > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-sijeon-multimob-mms-pmip6-00 > > > A new version of I-D, draft-sijeon-multimob-mms-pmip6-00.txt has been > successfuly submitted by Seil Jeon and posted to the IETF repository. > > Filename: draft-sijeon-multimob-mms-pmip6 > Revision: 00 > Title: Mobile Multicasting Support in Proxy Mobile IPv6 > Creation_date: 2009-07-04 > WG ID: Independent Submission > Number_of_pages: 9 > > Abstract: > To support IP-based group communication such as mobile IPTV in mobile > environment, IP multicasting is required. Two major constraints in mobile > multicasting are the tunnel convergence problem and high handover latency. > To reduce the constraints, several mobile multicasting schemes based on > Mobile IP have been proposed. To provide efficient mobile multicast service > related to two problems, we present a multicasting architecture and fast > handover scheme for Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PMIPv6). > > > > > The IETF Secretariat. > > _______________________________________________ > multimob mailing list > multimob@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob -- Prof. Dr. Thomas C. Schmidt ° Hamburg University of Applied Sciences Berliner Tor 7 ° ° Dept. 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Schmidt'" References: <015701c9fca6$9d6b85d0$640246dc@dcn153> <4A4F5865.2020601@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 00:41:57 +0900 Message-ID: <015801c9fcbd$f86aff30$640246dc@dcn153> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acn8qvwLvR4AGHAiQv2AQRf4ez0B5wAEeCZw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <4A4F5865.2020601@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] FW: New Version Notification for draft-sijeon-multimob-mms-pmip6-00 X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:41:52 -0000 Hi.. Thomas, As mentioned in the draft, MAG performs the function of MLD forwarding proxy (MF-Proxy).=20 Therefore, MLD Reports received from a MN are delivered to the MAG. The MAG forwards the message to the MR. Thanks Seil -----Original Message----- From: Thomas C. Schmidt [mailto:schmidt@informatik.haw-hamburg.de]=20 Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:26 PM To: Seil Jeon Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] FW: New Version Notification for draft-sijeon- multimob-mms-pmip6-00 Hi Seil, I have a quick question: In your scenario, how do you expect MLD Reports = to arrive at the MR? Thanks, Thomas Seil Jeon wrote: > =20 > Hello.. multimob All.. >=20 > We have submitted a new draft for PMIPv6 multicasting. >=20 > Please take a look and let us know if you have any comments. >=20 > Thank you..=20 >=20 >=20 > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/staging/draft-sijeon-multimob-mms-pmip > 6- > 00.txt >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: IETF I-D Submission Tool [mailto:idsubmission@ietf.org] > Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 9:45 PM > To: sijeon@dcn.ssu.ac.kr > Cc: jaehwoon@dongguk.edu; yhkim@dcn.ssu.ac.kr > Subject: New Version Notification for=20 > draft-sijeon-multimob-mms-pmip6-00 >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-sijeon-multimob-mms-pmip6-00.txt has been=20 > successfuly submitted by Seil Jeon and posted to the IETF repository. >=20 > Filename: draft-sijeon-multimob-mms-pmip6 > Revision: 00 > Title: Mobile Multicasting Support in Proxy Mobile IPv6 > Creation_date: 2009-07-04 > WG ID: Independent Submission > Number_of_pages: 9 >=20 > Abstract: > To support IP-based group communication such as mobile IPTV in mobile=20 > environment, IP multicasting is required. Two major constraints in=20 > mobile multicasting are the tunnel convergence problem and high = handover latency. > To reduce the constraints, several mobile multicasting schemes based=20 > on Mobile IP have been proposed. To provide efficient mobile multicast = > service related to two problems, we present a multicasting=20 > architecture and fast handover scheme for Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PMIPv6). > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > The IETF Secretariat. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > multimob mailing list > multimob@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob --=20 Prof. Dr. Thomas C. Schmidt =A1=C6 Hamburg University of Applied Sciences Berliner = Tor 7 =A1=C6 =A1=C6 Dept. Informatik, Internet Technologies Group 20099 Hamburg, = Germany =A1=C6 =A1=C6 http://www.haw-hamburg.de/inet Fon: = +49-40-42875-8452 =A1=C6 =A1=C6 http://www.informatik.haw-hamburg.de/~schmidt Fax: = +49-40-42875-8409 =A1=C6 From schmidt@informatik.haw-hamburg.de Sat Jul 4 08:49:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE0B28C2E2 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 08:49:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.024 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.024 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.225, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AYVFreWk1Bg7 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 08:49:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.rz.htw-berlin.de (mail2.rz.fhtw-berlin.de [141.45.10.102]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29F9728C2D7 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 08:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Envelope-to: multimob@ietf.org Received: from e178135053.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.135.53] helo=[192.168.178.29]) by mail2.rz.htw-berlin.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MN7US-000Grc-UH; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:49:25 +0200 Message-ID: <4A4F7A02.3010702@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:49:22 +0200 From: "Thomas C. Schmidt" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Seil Jeon References: <015701c9fca6$9d6b85d0$640246dc@dcn153> <4A4F5865.2020601@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> <015801c9fcbd$f86aff30$640246dc@dcn153> In-Reply-To: <015801c9fcbd$f86aff30$640246dc@dcn153> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=EUC-KR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] FW: New Version Notification for draft-sijeon-multimob-mms-pmip6-00 X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:49:33 -0000 Hi Seil, thanks for your reply. Seil Jeon wrote: > As mentioned in the draft, MAG performs the function of MLD forwarding > proxy (MF-Proxy). > > Therefore, MLD Reports received from a MN are delivered to the MAG. > > The MAG forwards the message to the MR. > Yes, this is written in the draft and I read it. However, the question was how the MLD reports travel from MAG to MR ? MLD packets are link-local. Best regards, Thomas > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas C. Schmidt [mailto:schmidt@informatik.haw-hamburg.de] > Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:26 PM > To: Seil Jeon > Cc: multimob@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [multimob] FW: New Version Notification for draft-sijeon- > multimob-mms-pmip6-00 > > Hi Seil, > > I have a quick question: In your scenario, how do you expect MLD Reports to > arrive at the MR? > > Thanks, > > Thomas > > Seil Jeon wrote: >> >> Hello.. multimob All.. >> >> We have submitted a new draft for PMIPv6 multicasting. >> >> Please take a look and let us know if you have any comments. >> >> Thank you.. >> >> >> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/staging/draft-sijeon-multimob-mms-pmip >> 6- >> 00.txt >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: IETF I-D Submission Tool [mailto:idsubmission@ietf.org] >> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 9:45 PM >> To: sijeon@dcn.ssu.ac.kr >> Cc: jaehwoon@dongguk.edu; yhkim@dcn.ssu.ac.kr >> Subject: New Version Notification for >> draft-sijeon-multimob-mms-pmip6-00 >> >> >> A new version of I-D, draft-sijeon-multimob-mms-pmip6-00.txt has been >> successfuly submitted by Seil Jeon and posted to the IETF repository. >> >> Filename: draft-sijeon-multimob-mms-pmip6 >> Revision: 00 >> Title: Mobile Multicasting Support in Proxy Mobile IPv6 >> Creation_date: 2009-07-04 >> WG ID: Independent Submission >> Number_of_pages: 9 >> >> Abstract: >> To support IP-based group communication such as mobile IPTV in mobile >> environment, IP multicasting is required. Two major constraints in >> mobile multicasting are the tunnel convergence problem and high handover > latency. >> To reduce the constraints, several mobile multicasting schemes based >> on Mobile IP have been proposed. To provide efficient mobile multicast >> service related to two problems, we present a multicasting >> architecture and fast handover scheme for Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PMIPv6). >> >> >> >> >> The IETF Secretariat. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> multimob mailing list >> multimob@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob > -- Prof. Dr. Thomas C. Schmidt ¡Æ Hamburg University of Applied Sciences Berliner Tor 7 ¡Æ ¡Æ Dept. Informatik, Internet Technologies Group 20099 Hamburg, Germany ¡Æ ¡Æ http://www.haw-hamburg.de/inet Fon: +49-40-42875-8452 ¡Æ ¡Æ http://www.informatik.haw-hamburg.de/~schmidt Fax: +49-40-42875-8409 ¡Æ From sijeon79@gmail.com Sat Jul 4 09:35:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC6213A69E6 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 09:35:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.762 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.762 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.613, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W5dpd-OZ9cpW for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 09:35:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f198.google.com (mail-pz0-f198.google.com [209.85.222.198]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEF8A3A6959 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 09:35:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pzk36 with SMTP id 36so3344581pzk.29 for ; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:35:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:cc:references:subject :date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-mailer:thread-index:x-mimeole:in-reply-to; bh=6xotnF7WkJCqjb0he0CyV6w6GdQComCI8w+3Eqtsvhc=; b=bXqNBIsAjCwjjQG2QyuUQ4RkU3lXRksgE8m99POuslXgORyHk7xRQJCGJO8A4D/S1o 63ZfALs7gQzfIe0yhJDoADS+j/2nS9HiY7VG2Zs8vdkC2LAt+UivupSgde7qRU+hbE8O UYfTyE5dNHjm1q9P1Eh3TulP6FHsRYzJUpGB0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :x-mimeole:in-reply-to; b=osdc9XPtwNDjpYpY4AUlZJUR/zIJIWv28B8/+u94i6+jt/HVJPxJpPL+X8Te0+ARCw UgFq6k1RCy+TA2QYh2W6zz9yu4BfnlyUkGiWzHfANG8Kz5IpcA6QryY6rIMFl3DtBQ86 euv3Go9K4v1cT1plnl+Dw1B8trTJ/2URE4+hM= Received: by 10.143.33.16 with SMTP id l16mr859224wfj.104.1246725335712; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:35:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dcn153 ([220.70.2.100]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 27sm9911185wff.6.2009.07.04.09.35.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:35:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Seil Jeon" To: "'Thomas C. Schmidt'" References: <015701c9fca6$9d6b85d0$640246dc@dcn153> <4A4F5865.2020601@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> <015801c9fcbd$f86aff30$640246dc@dcn153> <4A4F7A02.3010702@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 01:35:20 +0900 Message-ID: <015901c9fcc5$6d7d39d0$640246dc@dcn153> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acn8vwKjwcQY5BFJRPGgYh8LwnUPOQAAFhQw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <4A4F7A02.3010702@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] FW: New Version Notification for draft-sijeon-multimob-mms-pmip6-00 X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 16:35:43 -0000 Hi Thomas, Thanks for your comment. =20 When the MAG forwards the MLD packets, received from the MN, to the MR, = it uses its link-local address. Best regards, Seil -----Original Message----- From: Thomas C. Schmidt [mailto:schmidt@informatik.haw-hamburg.de]=20 Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 12:49 AM To: Seil Jeon Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] FW: New Version Notification for draft-sijeon- multimob-mms-pmip6-00 Hi Seil, thanks for your reply. Seil Jeon wrote: > As mentioned in the draft, MAG performs the function of MLD forwarding = > proxy (MF-Proxy). >=20 > Therefore, MLD Reports received from a MN are delivered to the MAG. >=20 > The MAG forwards the message to the MR. >=20 Yes, this is written in the draft and I read it. However, the question = was how the MLD reports travel from MAG to MR ? MLD packets are link-local. Best regards, Thomas > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas C. Schmidt [mailto:schmidt@informatik.haw-hamburg.de] > Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:26 PM > To: Seil Jeon > Cc: multimob@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [multimob] FW: New Version Notification for draft-sijeon- = > multimob-mms-pmip6-00 >=20 > Hi Seil, >=20 > I have a quick question: In your scenario, how do you expect MLD=20 > Reports to arrive at the MR? >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Thomas >=20 > Seil Jeon wrote: >> =20 >> Hello.. multimob All.. >> >> We have submitted a new draft for PMIPv6 multicasting. >> >> Please take a look and let us know if you have any comments. >> >> Thank you..=20 >> >> >> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/staging/draft-sijeon-multimob-mms-pmi >> p >> 6- >> 00.txt >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: IETF I-D Submission Tool [mailto:idsubmission@ietf.org] >> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 9:45 PM >> To: sijeon@dcn.ssu.ac.kr >> Cc: jaehwoon@dongguk.edu; yhkim@dcn.ssu.ac.kr >> Subject: New Version Notification for=20 >> draft-sijeon-multimob-mms-pmip6-00 >> >> >> A new version of I-D, draft-sijeon-multimob-mms-pmip6-00.txt has been = >> successfuly submitted by Seil Jeon and posted to the IETF repository. >> >> Filename: draft-sijeon-multimob-mms-pmip6 >> Revision: 00 >> Title: Mobile Multicasting Support in Proxy Mobile IPv6 >> Creation_date: 2009-07-04 >> WG ID: Independent Submission >> Number_of_pages: 9 >> >> Abstract: >> To support IP-based group communication such as mobile IPTV in mobile = >> environment, IP multicasting is required. Two major constraints in=20 >> mobile multicasting are the tunnel convergence problem and high=20 >> handover > latency. >> To reduce the constraints, several mobile multicasting schemes based=20 >> on Mobile IP have been proposed. To provide efficient mobile=20 >> multicast service related to two problems, we present a multicasting=20 >> architecture and fast handover scheme for Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PMIPv6). >> =20 >> >> >> >> The IETF Secretariat. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> multimob mailing list >> multimob@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob >=20 --=20 Prof. Dr. Thomas C. Schmidt =A1=C6 Hamburg University of Applied Sciences Berliner = Tor 7 =A1=C6 =A1=C6 Dept. Informatik, Internet Technologies Group 20099 Hamburg, = Germany =A1=C6 =A1=C6 http://www.haw-hamburg.de/inet Fon: = +49-40-42875-8452 =A1=C6 =A1=C6 http://www.informatik.haw-hamburg.de/~schmidt Fax: = +49-40-42875-8409 =A1=C6 From schmidt@informatik.haw-hamburg.de Sat Jul 4 10:04:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 799C028C2E9 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:04:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.871 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.871 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.072, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S6-YwZOrvYXP for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:04:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.rz.htw-berlin.de (mail2.rz.fhtw-berlin.de [141.45.10.102]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5687728C2D7 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Envelope-to: multimob@ietf.org Received: from e178135053.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.135.53] helo=[192.168.178.29]) by mail2.rz.htw-berlin.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1MN8fA-0005Ok-4T; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 19:04:32 +0200 Message-ID: <4A4F8B9D.90102@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 19:04:29 +0200 From: "Thomas C. Schmidt" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Seil Jeon References: <015701c9fca6$9d6b85d0$640246dc@dcn153> <4A4F5865.2020601@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> <015801c9fcbd$f86aff30$640246dc@dcn153> <4A4F7A02.3010702@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> <015901c9fcc5$6d7d39d0$640246dc@dcn153> In-Reply-To: <015901c9fcc5$6d7d39d0$640246dc@dcn153> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=EUC-KR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] FW: New Version Notification for draft-sijeon-multimob-mms-pmip6-00 X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:04:26 -0000 Hi Seil, thanks for clarification. Seil Jeon wrote: > When the MAG forwards the MLD packets, received from the MN, to the MR, it > uses its link-local address. > O.K. - this means, that you are considering one flat network containing all MAGs and all MRs. I guess this should be mentioned explicitly, preferably in the abstract of the draft. Best regards, Thomas > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas C. Schmidt [mailto:schmidt@informatik.haw-hamburg.de] > Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 12:49 AM > To: Seil Jeon > Cc: multimob@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [multimob] FW: New Version Notification for draft-sijeon- > multimob-mms-pmip6-00 > > Hi Seil, > > thanks for your reply. > > Seil Jeon wrote: >> As mentioned in the draft, MAG performs the function of MLD forwarding >> proxy (MF-Proxy). >> >> Therefore, MLD Reports received from a MN are delivered to the MAG. >> >> The MAG forwards the message to the MR. >> > > Yes, this is written in the draft and I read it. However, the question was > how the MLD reports travel from MAG to MR ? MLD packets are link-local. > > Best regards, > > Thomas > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Thomas C. Schmidt [mailto:schmidt@informatik.haw-hamburg.de] >> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:26 PM >> To: Seil Jeon >> Cc: multimob@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [multimob] FW: New Version Notification for draft-sijeon- >> multimob-mms-pmip6-00 >> >> Hi Seil, >> >> I have a quick question: In your scenario, how do you expect MLD >> Reports to arrive at the MR? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Thomas >> >> Seil Jeon wrote: >>> >>> Hello.. multimob All.. >>> >>> We have submitted a new draft for PMIPv6 multicasting. >>> >>> Please take a look and let us know if you have any comments. >>> >>> Thank you.. >>> >>> >>> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/staging/draft-sijeon-multimob-mms-pmi >>> p >>> 6- >>> 00.txt >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: IETF I-D Submission Tool [mailto:idsubmission@ietf.org] >>> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 9:45 PM >>> To: sijeon@dcn.ssu.ac.kr >>> Cc: jaehwoon@dongguk.edu; yhkim@dcn.ssu.ac.kr >>> Subject: New Version Notification for >>> draft-sijeon-multimob-mms-pmip6-00 >>> >>> >>> A new version of I-D, draft-sijeon-multimob-mms-pmip6-00.txt has been >>> successfuly submitted by Seil Jeon and posted to the IETF repository. >>> >>> Filename: draft-sijeon-multimob-mms-pmip6 >>> Revision: 00 >>> Title: Mobile Multicasting Support in Proxy Mobile IPv6 >>> Creation_date: 2009-07-04 >>> WG ID: Independent Submission >>> Number_of_pages: 9 >>> >>> Abstract: >>> To support IP-based group communication such as mobile IPTV in mobile >>> environment, IP multicasting is required. Two major constraints in >>> mobile multicasting are the tunnel convergence problem and high >>> handover >> latency. >>> To reduce the constraints, several mobile multicasting schemes based >>> on Mobile IP have been proposed. To provide efficient mobile >>> multicast service related to two problems, we present a multicasting >>> architecture and fast handover scheme for Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PMIPv6). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> The IETF Secretariat. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> multimob mailing list >>> multimob@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob > -- Prof. Dr. Thomas C. Schmidt ¡Æ Hamburg University of Applied Sciences Berliner Tor 7 ¡Æ ¡Æ Dept. Informatik, Internet Technologies Group 20099 Hamburg, Germany ¡Æ ¡Æ http://www.haw-hamburg.de/inet Fon: +49-40-42875-8452 ¡Æ ¡Æ http://www.informatik.haw-hamburg.de/~schmidt Fax: +49-40-42875-8409 ¡Æ From behcetsarikaya@yahoo.com Tue Jul 7 07:58:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 279B528C4BB for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:58:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.274 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.274 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.009, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TdQht6543ReX for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web111406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (web111406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [67.195.15.162]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 672C628C4B9 for ; 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Tue, 07 Jul 2009 07:58:32 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.21 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:58:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Behcet Sarikaya To: multimob@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [multimob] Multimob drafts X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Behcet Sarikaya List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:58:39 -0000 Hi all,=0A=A0 These are the drafts submitted to Multimob in IETF draft repo= sitory:=0A08=A0Mar=A02009=A0=A0draft-asaeda-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-exte= nsions =0A06=A0Jul=A02009=A0=A0draft-asaeda-multimob-igmp-mld-optimization = =0A08=A0Mar=A02009=A0=A0draft-asaeda-multimob-pmip6-extension =0A20=A0Jun= =A02008=A0=A0draft-deng-multimob-mip4 =0A19=A0Oct=A02008=A0=A0draft-deng-mu= ltimob-pmip6-requirement =0A13=A0Jul=A02008=A0=A0draft-deng-multimob-ps-mob= ilemulticast =0A13=A0May=A02009=A0=A0draft-gundavelli-multimob-pmip6basicmc= ast-solution =0A30=A0Jun=A02009=A0=A0draft-hui-multimob-fast-handover =0A06= =A0Jul=A02009=A0=A0draft-krishnan-multimob-pmip6basicmcast-solution =0A16= =A0Oct=A02008=A0=A0draft-liu-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-req =0A14=A0Jun=A02= 009=A0=A0draft-liu-multimob-multicast-receiver-mobility =0A05=A0Mar=A02009= =A0=A0draft-sarikaya-multimob-overwireless-ps =0A21=A0Feb=A02008=A0=A0draft= -sarikaya-multimob-ps =0A01=A0Jul=A02009=A0=A0draft-schmidt-multimob-pmipv6= -mcast-deployment =0A04=A0Jul=A02009=A0=A0draft-sijeon-multimob-mms-pmip6 = =0A04=A0Feb=A02009=A0=A0draft-von-hugo-multimob-agents =0A06=A0Nov=A02007= =A0=A0draft-xia-multimob-hybrid =0A14=A0Jul=A02008=A0=A0draft-yang-multimob= -mip6-mc-tunnel-opt =0A20=A0Nov=A02007=A0=A0draft-zhang-multimob-memcast-ps= =0A08=A0Aug=A02008=A0=A0draft-zhang-multimob-mld-mmcast =0A01=A0Oct=A02008= =A0=A0draft-zhang-multimob-mldsas-mmcast =0A03=A0Nov=A02008=A0=A0draft-zhao= -multimob-pmip6-solution=0A=0AThere are a few others submitted to other pla= ces, we suggest those people to submit their drafts to Multimob.=0A=0AIf yo= u have any updates on the above drafts, please submit them by next Monday, = July 13, 2009.=0A=0ARegards,=0A=0ABehcet=0A=0A=0A From behcetsarikaya@yahoo.com Wed Jul 8 15:39:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BA9628B23E for ; 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charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [multimob] Final BoF Date and Time and Room X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Behcet Sarikaya List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:39:49 -0000 Hello Folks, =0A=A0 Multimob BoF will take place not on Friday afternoon as= originally scheduled=0A=0Abut =0A=0Aon Tuesday, July 28, 2009=0A=0Ajust be= fore the social (I have not seen yet the social in the agenda)=0A=0Aduring = 17:10 - 18:10.=0A=0AFor details please see:=0Ahttps://datatracker.ietf.org/= meeting/75/agenda.html=0A=0AThe agenda will be:=0A=0AMulticast Mobility BOF= (Multimob)=0A=0ATuesday, July 28, 2009 17:10 - 18:10 Room Congresshall B= =0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =0ACHAIRS: Gorry=A0 Fairhurst =0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 Behcet=A0 Sarikaya =0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =0AAGEND= A:=0A1. Administrativia (Chairs, 5 min) =0A=A0 - Note takers, Jabber scribe= s=0A=A0 - Agenda bashing=0A=A0 =0A2. Multimob Problem Statement (Chairs/ADs= , 15 min) =0A=A0 - Motivation and problem statement=0A=A0=A0=A0 - draft-irt= f-mobopts-mmcastv6-ps-06=A0 =0A3. Operator requirements for multicast mobil= ity (10 min) =0A=A0 -=A0 Requirements from a Global Operator (Dirk) 5=0A=A0= -=A0 Multicast Support Requirements for PMIP6 (Gang) 5=0A=A0 =0A4. Protoco= ls=A0 (10 min) =0A=A0 - Group Management Solutions Overview (Thomas) 5=0A= =A0=A0=A0 - draft-asaeda-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-extensions=0A=A0 - Prox= y Mobile IPv6 Solutions Overview (Suresh) 5=0A=A0=A0=A0 - draft-krishnan-mu= ltimob-pmip6basicmcast-solution =0A=A0=A0=A0 - draft-schmidt-multimob-pmip6= -mcast-deployment-00=0A=A0=A0=A0 - draft-sijeon-multimob-mms-pmip6=0A=A0=A0= =A0 - draft-asaeda-multimob-pmip6-extension =0A5. Proposed Roadmap and Char= ter Discussion (All, 20 min) =0A6. Conclusions and Next Steps (Chairs/ADs, = 5 min)=0A=0APresenters, please send your slides to the chairs.=0A=0ARegards= ,=0A=0AGorry & Behcet=0A=0A=0A=0A From yuankui.zhao@gmail.com Mon Jul 13 08:06:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7998728C45F for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:06:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9rWfnOOePd2F for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f198.google.com (mail-pz0-f198.google.com [209.85.222.198]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F293C28C486 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pzk36 with SMTP id 36so2711855pzk.29 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:04:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=+9lCu3Tx4c1VRVVnz3c+AvKxMlcOjZhT+NJIyogjzWA=; b=CDzoun/DwgNXEcOvBIBwoM//eXhaifWYo/OJTD0zoya152997C7gaXf2UXjRTwiPqh yYvuwgvys/yuf7aFsS5ITeIeTeV3xeUfwWp1lunIwXlRLvlSjLf/bjuifIgG2OszZ4uA oLOUjN97TMAJ2Ul0XFxb5wkhh/e8z3f5lzgfg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=DggyEg3Sv6mK49cfnJOJH65OlzIj8hWB5AlbmiqTjtVRrEpbYVeZ/aANxRvU90GxV4 c+eFxaPrvNH6sX/hDzOlo3YcHkT10fMt93HxPgzELVkN9qm2M97TM2LF/lOcoD4AfgSL ksVcwJjIB4rLaA/DUZBIM+26S88SygwAtdBhM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.240.19 with SMTP id n19mr1454398wfh.198.1247497479058; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:04:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090713145850.BF7B93A6DF4@core3.amsl.com> References: <20090713145850.BF7B93A6DF4@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:04:39 +0800 Message-ID: From: "john.zhao" To: multimob@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [multimob] New Version Notification for draft-zhao-multimob-pmip6-solution-03 X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:06:52 -0000 Hi all, I have updated my draft as the following. Welcome comment, anything missed let me know ASAP. Best Rgds, Thanks, John.zhao ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: IETF I-D Submission Tool Date: 2009/7/13 Subject: New Version Notification for draft-zhao-multimob-pmip6-solution-03 To: yuankui.zhao@gmail.com =B3=AD=CB=CD=A3=BA pierrick.seite@orange-ftgroup.com A new version of I-D, draft-zhao-multimob-pmip6-solution-03.txt has been successfuly submitted by YuanKui ZHAO and posted to the IETF repository. Filename: draft-zhao-multimob-pmip6-solution Revision: 03 Title: The Solution for Pmipv6 Multicast Service Creation_date: 2009-07-13 WG ID: Independent Submission Number_of_pages: 24 Abstract: To mobility scenario, multicast service is a valuable feature to those mobile customers. We need to consider how to integrate current multicast service in PMIPv6 domain. This draft will introduce this kind of solution about proxy mobile multicast. It explains the system solution and framework about how to provide the proxy mobile multicast system. The IETF Secretariat. From behcetsarikaya@yahoo.com Tue Jul 14 09:31:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67C9E3A6B6E for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:31:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.269 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.269 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.004, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZvpjiKosXFRO for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n2-vm0.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (n2-vm0.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [67.195.23.154]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id BA4E83A6B69 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [67.195.9.83] by n2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2009 16:27:14 -0000 Received: from [67.195.9.97] by t3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2009 16:27:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2009 16:27:14 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 675193.17488.bm@omp101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 70257 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jul 2009 16:27:14 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1247588834; bh=2bJehVkShVLPdc2jiuFCHH7dxB9fkeJ71r0OZuumZPk=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=H7GNMAS44RMjdCw5h8Zt0TikadafFQxrtiihxX3524RNkLc4xA40AvgGfE8cq4s295JVLa5JIqkBFdAIAHsk66x4FDsNcnbm2yPk8HLcV1wGyvqs7sGpVyitNw0UsbBMUDn9rHtZln50y4urBFkKE9Qf13O0vKF/C/RTyU1aahI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wgBz1x4GK6TgvwEZEUjKYKoTH7A82W7QTfLNN/5sL6rY9dDXExsVWsXFaLtd8mgqs7XX4w/+Aq7dfObPpeD9m/AAS9eZrbyh3BSlEeDjrjO2sEL3itD5VOcaPZsDm/i0ABI1xtIUycjZoPELRWA59D46i+lm8wtLuUbG/6NdEaA=; Message-ID: <452737.61586.qm@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: WAzhdagVM1lwCSnc3SZrMNXDAfoitR5ZOcnQfWLqoe5nWXZQ_jmR3y7gWu5Cna1w3yPMJcUrEyb5exl1zNmVLIFfKqxheXQ5O3c146ysNKnFR4UZAWLVYGlTn1Jd92zXALQOcWSPyAbOxnpPb8kyq5DCmg5y0nvZjzgxeDyBVod_u0SkHky1fYz.xuOafRBnEI1y9W3N0fnFWdOpmmn40wt2lVuO6eCo69uR_lqrRzhzwQ8EQHdHsnoCo02xqTu4fGZjD_hjG4sI43wL7EEzht.GQgSdQUm.CvBgr.4iG9P.FbffWk9AWKJP.oePrRHSUkY9GbHK9UFRXAiYfnK7eqHNbwd.jW.D8QWf Received: from [206.16.17.212] by web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:27:14 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.21 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:27:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Behcet Sarikaya To: multimob@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [multimob] BoF Agenda posted X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Behcet Sarikaya List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:31:31 -0000 Hello Folks,=0A=A0 We posted BoF agenda at:=0Ahttp://www.ietf.org/proceedin= gs/09jul/agenda/multimob.html=0Awhich contains links to the presentations a= s well. Some presentations are coming up soon, so please visit the agenda p= age often.=0A=0A=A0 The agenda also contains links to the drafts. If your d= raft is missing, please let me know.=0A=0ARegards,=0A=0AGorry & Behcet=0A= =0A=0A From liuhui47967@huawei.com Tue Jul 14 18:48:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D53A3A6958 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:48:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.188 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.188 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.411, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fZESOVUCq4mR for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:48:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga03-in.huawei.com (szxga03-in.huawei.com [119.145.14.66]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECA093A694C for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:48:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga03-in [172.24.2.9]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0KMS007JKV65UU@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for multimob@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:37:17 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.24]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0KMS00GN0V65LZ@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for multimob@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:37:17 +0800 (CST) Received: from l47967b ([10.111.12.139]) by szxml04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KMS00GC8V65QY@szxml04-in.huawei.com> for multimob@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:37:17 +0800 (CST) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:37:16 +0800 From: Liu Hui In-reply-to: <452737.61586.qm@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> To: 'Behcet Sarikaya' , multimob@ietf.org Message-id: <002801ca04ec$c995c870$8b0c6f0a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Thread-index: AcoEoKOhrVkSz0/SSsuR7Uir98JLIQAQYk6Q Subject: Re: [multimob] BoF Agenda posted X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 01:48:24 -0000 Hi Behcet, The IGMP/MLD requirement draft in the agenda has been updated to a new version.=20 The major changes is in section 4.4. The wireless link type is = abstracted and classified and their requirements on IGMP/MLD protocols are = discussed. Other changes are for editorial improvement such as better wording or conciseness: http://ietfreport.isoc.org/all-ids/draft-liu-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-r= eq- 02.txt We welcome the comments of the group. Best Regards, Liu Hui > -----Original Message----- > From: multimob-bounces@ietf.org=20 > [mailto:multimob-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Behcet Sarikaya > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:27 AM > To: multimob@ietf.org > Subject: [multimob] BoF Agenda posted >=20 >=20 > Hello Folks, > =A0 We posted BoF agenda at: > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/09jul/agenda/multimob.html > which contains links to the presentations as well. Some=20 > presentations are coming up soon, so please visit the agenda=20 > page often. >=20 > =A0 The agenda also contains links to the drafts. If your draft=20 > is missing, please let me know. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Gorry & Behcet >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > multimob mailing list > multimob@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob From asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp Wed Jul 15 02:45:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ABB23A6B8D for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 02:45:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.706 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.706 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.294, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265, RELAY_IS_203=0.994, SARE_RECV_IP_222000=1.508] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8951rWfEEUH7 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 02:45:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pione.sfc.wide.ad.jp (pione.sfc.wide.ad.jp [203.178.143.105]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B80FD3A6B1D for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 02:45:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (KHP222006121211.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp [222.6.121.211]) by pione.sfc.wide.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB30D13D06C8 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:45:32 +0900 (JST) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:45:36 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20090715.184536.243831409.asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp> To: multimob@ietf.org From: Hitoshi Asaeda X-Mailer: Mew version 5.2.54 on Emacs 22.2 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [multimob] three drafts available X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 09:45:34 -0000 Hello folks, The following drafts are available: 1. IGMP/MLD optimization draft-asaeda-multimob-igmp-mld-optimization-00.txt 2. IGMP/MLD protocol extension (Hold/Release extension) draft-asaeda-multimob-igmp-mld-mobility-extensions-03.txt 3. PMIPv6 protocol extension for IP multicast support draft-asaeda-multimob-pmip6-extension-02.txt Regarding the first and second drafts, the previous draft, igmp-mld-mobility-extensions-02, is split into these IGMP/MLD optimization and extension drafts. The third one is the PMIPv6 extension draft that provides the detail spec for IP multicast support for PMIPv6. This version includes the clear description for the protocol extension and reasons why protocol extension is necessary for effective IP multicast communication with PMIPv6. According to the proposed bof agenda, the time slot to present them is very limited, and hence I'd encourage you to read them, especially PMIPv6 extension draft. Regards, -- Hitoshi Asaeda From gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk Mon Jul 27 01:32:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5F4A3A69F5 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 01:32:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L0QD9+yX9Kdk for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 01:32:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from erg.abdn.ac.uk (dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:241:204:203:baff:fe9a:8c9b]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E06223A68CF for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 01:32:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-14b8.meeting.ietf.org (ra-gorry.erg.abdn.ac.uk [139.133.204.42]) (authenticated bits=0) by erg.abdn.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n6R8WcBF017539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 27 Jul 2009 09:32:39 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A6D6627.8010402@erg.abdn.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:32:39 +0200 From: Gorry Fairhurst Organization: The University of Aberdeen is a charity registered in Scotland, No SC013683. User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: multimob@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ERG-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ERG-MailScanner-From: gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk Subject: [multimob] Scribes and note takers on Tuesday - volunteer now! X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:32:50 -0000 We need some volunteers to take notes and jabber-scribe for the MultiMob BOF. We have a full agenda and can't start the meeting without them, so please do volunteer now to save us time. Volunteers please send an email to the chairs (in CC), Gorry & Behcet From behcetsarikaya@yahoo.com Mon Jul 27 07:44:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E189B3A6A41 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 07:44:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.265 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.265 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gnRpxEPCZiTO for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 07:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web111407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (web111407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [67.195.15.168]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0CE623A68FD for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 07:43:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6216 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jul 2009 14:43:48 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; 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Mon, 27 Jul 2009 07:43:48 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.22 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.1 Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 07:43:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Behcet Sarikaya To: multimob@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [multimob] Multimob BoF X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Behcet Sarikaya List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:44:08 -0000 Hello Folks,=0A=A0 We will have the BoF tomorrow (Tuesday Afternoon Session= III on July 28) starting at 17:10 at=A0Room 307 on Level 3=A0just before t= he Social.=0A=A0 You can check the latest agenda and see the presentations = online at:=0Ahttp://www.ietf.org/proceedings/75/agenda/multimob.html=0A=0AN= ote the room change.=0A=0APlease attend the meeting and support Multimob.= =0A=0ARegards,=0A=0AGorry& Behcet=0A=0A=0A From behcetsarikaya@yahoo.com Tue Jul 28 01:15:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 019343A6D5B for ; 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Tue, 28 Jul 2009 01:15:11 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.22 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.1 References: <005b01ca0f1f$b8033060$8b0c6f0a@china.huawei.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 01:15:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Behcet Sarikaya To: Liu Hui , multimob@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <005b01ca0f1f$b8033060$8b0c6f0a@china.huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [multimob] Multimob BoF X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Behcet Sarikaya List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 08:15:16 -0000 Hi Hui,=0A=A0 I corrected the link. Thanks for pointing this out.=0A=0ARega= rds,=0A=0ABehcet=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0A> From: Liu Hui <= liuhui47967@huawei.com>=0A> To: Behcet Sarikaya =0A> Sen= t: Monday, July 27, 2009 8:07:03 PM=0A> Subject: RE: [multimob] Multimob Bo= F=0A> =0A> Hi Bechet,=0A> =0A> The link of the IGMP requirement draft is st= ill version 1.=A0 Please make a=0A> check for it. =0A> =0A> Thanks,=0A> Liu= Hui=0A> =0A> =0A> > -----Original Message-----=0A> > From: multimob-bounce= s@ietf.org =0A> > [mailto:multimob-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Behcet Sa= rikaya=0A> > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 10:44 PM=0A> > To: multimob@ietf.o= rg=0A> > Subject: [multimob] Multimob BoF=0A> > =0A> > Hello Folks,=0A> > = =A0 We will have the BoF tomorrow (Tuesday Afternoon Session =0A> > III on = July 28) starting at 17:10 at=A0Room 307 on Level 3=A0just =0A> > before th= e Social.=0A> > =A0 You can check the latest agenda and see the presentatio= ns online at:=0A> > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/75/agenda/multimob.html= =0A> > =0A> > Note the room change.=0A> > =0A> > Please attend the meeting = and support Multimob.=0A> > =0A> > Regards,=0A> > =0A> > Gorry& Behcet=0A> = > =0A> > =0A> >=A0 =A0 =A0 =0A> > _________________________________________= ______=0A> > multimob mailing list=0A> > multimob@ietf.org=0A> > https://ww= w.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob=0A=0A=0A=0A From behcetsarikaya@yahoo.com Tue Jul 28 02:27:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48B473A6CEF for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 02:27:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.349 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.349 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.083, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 96bQs0qGjISF for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 02:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web111407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (web111407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [67.195.15.168]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A00713A69E0 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 02:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 80670 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jul 2009 09:27:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1248773226; bh=k46D93cFIu2sd9ZAyr46MdNvpGfqpsSvKbeYffWxZe0=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6P/c6Wr5zZykcpX1wzRHz+YyNH9pGfl5xfx8iv026gFu8WSg9kb8lny8TJVZO83kkH55Kz882Ga+ZsksaxRlQ5mvjQJx3jY5aIypEe5nmz9gfpOdG8qgiwUSoTa6coDIQ7LqmQtj+BG7qIhrODZn3Gn7mxFIwgn+dHGhC59o+ak= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LCy+te+mu4z10c7Qg2tFszNAeoNaxcL6/YQPP0D7lsb/nfGwKX15t5p7ZxpUzwQvxeNVphQjCsF3nlR4hLMuU/jf5S7G9FkqjwHLwaKzxMgKn83X9X1pBL3rb8YZuMRNu51QOabuBgQyuyKSOpyBnWO7YCmSvqM70TKNgUMlEtU=; Message-ID: <823105.80590.qm@web111407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: BDWfqa8VM1m6E5J5O1TXuNxXxFzt84I33s0vWjuZ2TQ84Nqwy7ljRbkFqrmIQtyRB1871NaqVb4tc1nJoOtHLS_rFjsI5hD6.hLfLZ4.cVGNiA54lRhkYSkgk38ZozJFn1IF5rE5IyLPLD.TRNOdCe8E4mp_ZvNnERMPkb6b6cTD.tV.RMr70lIUxX3aooDr.C5uz3lUAeiWvAtnMekggDxyWNt9jTuQkZUZb_NlCnj7ft242zU.2nodLIrAyrSWKNuUgSgl.UtI.YK9y1Vlt_iE_m4pr.PJyiE7LrW_ERPYaiFiQD9qaFDYyEMEnH.Zknn008fevHto0.bJ5seQ1nfbuKJ362vEFlLAtv5_ Received: from [130.129.87.243] by web111407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 02:27:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.22 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.1 References: <4A6D6627.8010402@erg.abdn.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 02:27:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Behcet Sarikaya To: multimob@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <4A6D6627.8010402@erg.abdn.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [multimob] Scribes and note takers on Tuesday - volunteer now! X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Behcet Sarikaya List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:27:49 -0000 Folks so far we have a volunteer for Jabber. =0A=0AWe need volunteers for t= aking the notes.=0A=0A=0A=A0=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0A> From: = Gorry Fairhurst =0A> To: multimob@ietf.org=0A> Sent: = Monday, July 27, 2009 3:32:39 AM=0A> Subject: [multimob] Scribes and note t= akers on Tuesday - volunteer now!=0A> =0A> =0A> We need some volunteers to = take notes and jabber-scribe for the=0A> MultiMob BOF.=A0 We have a full ag= enda and can't start the meeting without them, =0A> so please do volunteer = now to save us time.=0A> =0A> Volunteers please send an email to the chairs= (in CC),=0A> =0A> Gorry & Behcet=0A> _____________________________________= __________=0A> multimob mailing list=0A> multimob@ietf.org=0A> https://www.= ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob=0A=0A=0A=0A From behcetsarikaya@yahoo.com Wed Jul 29 04:56:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A97B3A69CF for ; 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charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [multimob] Minutes X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Behcet Sarikaya List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:56:27 -0000 Hi all,=0A=A0 Draft minutes have been posted at:=0Ahttp://www.ietf.org/proc= eedings/75/minutes/multimob.txt=0A=0AThanks to Matthias for his hard work i= n taking the minutes.=0A=0AThe minutes will be detailed with Jabber activit= y and a revised version will be posted later today.=0A=0ARegards,=0A=0AGorr= y & Behcet=0A=0A=0A From gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk Wed Jul 29 08:40:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9DF93A692B for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 08:40:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IdEJviJYeOOQ for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 08:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from erg.abdn.ac.uk (dee.erg.abdn.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:241:204:203:baff:fe9a:8c9b]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DBF33A6774 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 08:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-14b8.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-14b8.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.20.184]) (authenticated bits=0) by erg.abdn.ac.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id n6TFdovc015032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:39:51 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A706D47.1010302@erg.abdn.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:39:51 +0200 From: Gorry Fairhurst Organization: The University of Aberdeen is a charity registered in Scotland, No SC013683. User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: multimob@ietf.org References: <469281.4520.qm@web111407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <469281.4520.qm@web111407.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ERG-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ERG-MailScanner-From: gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk Subject: Re: [multimob] Minutes X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:40:12 -0000 As promised by Behcet, Here are the draft minutes. I'd like to solicit comments and corrections, by the 10th August. http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/75/minutes/multimob.txt I'd also like to extend a huge thank you to all who contributed to multimob - we had a sizeable set of technical contributions (which speaks of your interest in getting specifications defined) and many people helped in clarifying the Charter and what this means prior to the meeting - this was a great help in getting this BoF in place. We'll now have to await advice and directions from our Area Directors on the next steps. Best wishes, Gorry & Bhecet Behcet Sarikaya wrote: > Hi all, > Draft minutes have been posted at: > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/75/minutes/multimob.txt > > Thanks to Matthias for his hard work in taking the minutes. > > The minutes will be detailed with Jabber activity and a revised version will be posted later today. > > Regards, > > Gorry & Behcet > > > > _______________________________________________ > multimob mailing list > multimob@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob > > From pierrick.seite@orange-ftgroup.com Thu Jul 30 02:03:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA3928C17C for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 02:03:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.166 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.166 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n4eeGkEfJA8v for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 02:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from R-MAIL1.rd.francetelecom.com (r-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com [217.108.152.41]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1217E28C1A6 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 02:03:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ftrdmel0.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.192.128.56]) by ftrdsmtp2.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 30 Jul 2009 11:03:11 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA10F4.90475125" Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 11:03:10 +0200 Message-ID: <843DA8228A1BA74CA31FB4E111A5C4623A739F@ftrdmel0.rd.francetelecom.fr> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: operator's requirements Thread-Index: AcoQ9I/u5A4e+2E6R6G3eMmWD1rPtw== From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2009 09:03:11.0669 (UTC) FILETIME=[908CC650:01CA10F4] Subject: [multimob] operator's requirements X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 09:03:13 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA10F4.90475125 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =20 I couldn't attend the multimob session due to the overlap with MEXT session. However, I just want to say that I agree with operator's requirements brought by Dirk. IMHO, harmonization with Multicast delivery on fixed network and optimal routing are also requirements to be taken into account. =20 BR, Pierrick ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA10F4.90475125 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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I couldn't attend the multimob session due to the overlap with MEXT session. = However, I just want to say that I agree with operator's requirements brought by = Dirk. IMHO, harmonization with Multicast delivery on fixed network and optimal = routing are also requirements to be taken into account.

 

BR,

Pierrick

------_=_NextPart_001_01CA10F4.90475125-- From Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de Thu Jul 30 02:09:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F5E28C209 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 02:09:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.484 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.484 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.275, BAYES_05=-1.11, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RFH8IAXR6Wfu for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 02:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tcmail33.telekom.de (tcmail33.telekom.de [194.25.30.7]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED0EF28C218 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2009 02:08:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s4de8psaans.blf.telekom.de (HELO s4de8psaans.mitte.t-com.de) ([10.151.180.168]) by tcmail31.telekom.de with ESMTP; 30 Jul 2009 11:08:42 +0200 Received: from S4DE8PSAAQC.mitte.t-com.de ([10.151.229.14]) by s4de8psaans.mitte.t-com.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 30 Jul 2009 11:08:41 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA10F5.5485B801" Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 11:08:40 +0200 Message-ID: <643B0A1D1A13AB498304E0BBC8027848012F6EA4@S4DE8PSAAQC.mitte.t-com.de> In-Reply-To: <843DA8228A1BA74CA31FB4E111A5C4623A739F@ftrdmel0.rd.francetelecom.fr> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [multimob] operator's requirements Thread-Index: AcoQ9I/u5A4e+2E6R6G3eMmWD1rPtwAADftw References: <843DA8228A1BA74CA31FB4E111A5C4623A739F@ftrdmel0.rd.francetelecom.fr> From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2009 09:08:41.0860 (UTC) FILETIME=[555BEC40:01CA10F5] Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] operator's requirements X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 09:09:28 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA10F5.5485B801 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Pierrick, I am happy you mention that point. I fully agree - that's what I wanted to express with FMC (Fixed Mobile Convergence), and I am glad if we could discuss and evaluate that issue in more detail in the future within the framework of a WG ;-)=20 Best regards,=20 Dirk=20 =20 ________________________________ Von: multimob-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:multimob-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag von pierrick.seite@orange-ftgroup.com Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Juli 2009 11:03 An: multimob@ietf.org Betreff: [multimob] operator's requirements Hi, =20 I couldn't attend the multimob session due to the overlap with MEXT session. However, I just want to say that I agree with operator's requirements brought by Dirk. IMHO, harmonization with Multicast delivery on fixed network and optimal routing are also requirements to be taken into account. =20 BR, Pierrick ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA10F5.5485B801 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Pierrick,
I am happy you mention that point. I fully = agree =20 - that's what I wanted to express with FMC (Fixed Mobile Convergence), = and I am=20 glad if we could discuss and evaluate that issue in more detail in = the=20 future within the framework of a WG ;-) 
Best regards, =
Dirk
 

Von: multimob-bounces@ietf.org=20 [mailto:multimob-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag von=20 pierrick.seite@orange-ftgroup.com
Gesendet: Donnerstag, = 30. Juli=20 2009 11:03
An: multimob@ietf.org
Betreff: [multimob] = operator's requirements

Hi,

 

I=20 couldn't attend the multimob session due to the overlap with MEXT = session.=20 However, I just want to say that I agree with operator's requirements = brought by=20 Dirk. IMHO, harmonization with Multicast delivery on fixed network and = optimal=20 routing are also requirements to be taken into=20 account.

 

BR,

Pierrick

------_=_NextPart_001_01CA10F5.5485B801-- From liuhui47967@huawei.com Fri Jul 31 03:16:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3978028C0D7 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 03:16:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.495 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.495 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9mitWNLAhkHE for ; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 03:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga02-in.huawei.com (unknown [119.145.14.65]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6107828C116 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 03:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga02-in [172.24.2.6]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0KNN00GUS5V4F3@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for multimob@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:16:17 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.33]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0KNN00M3Z5V4EB@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for multimob@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:16:16 +0800 (CST) Received: from l47967b ([10.111.12.139]) by szxml06-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KNN006YY5V4S7@szxml06-in.huawei.com> for multimob@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:16:16 +0800 (CST) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:16:16 +0800 From: Liu Hui In-reply-to: <643B0A1D1A13AB498304E0BBC8027848012F6EA4@S4DE8PSAAQC.mitte.t-com.de> To: Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de, pierrick.seite@orange-ftgroup.com Message-id: <001301ca11c7$f095be70$8b0c6f0a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcoQ9I/u5A4e+2E6R6G3eMmWD1rPtwAADftwACw0z+A= Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] operator's requirements X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:16:26 -0000 I agree these issues are worth exploring. There are already some suggestions on how to harmonize the fixed network multicasting and mobile IP signalling, and on how to implement optimal multicast forwarding in receiver mobility senario in the architecture draft "draft-liu-multimob-multicast-receiver-mobility-00.txt". Section 2 gives some general desciptions, and the latter sections show more details. I recomment you to have a read on it and evaluate whether or not they are applicable and complete regarding to the operator's requirements. It's a good thing that these commonly interested issues are discussed and evaluated in the future. Best Regards, Liu Hui > -----Original Message----- > From: multimob-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:multimob-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 5:09 PM > To: pierrick.seite@orange-ftgroup.com > Cc: multimob@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [multimob] operator's requirements > > Dear Pierrick, > I am happy you mention that point. I fully agree - that's > what I wanted to express with FMC (Fixed Mobile Convergence), > and I am glad if we could discuss and evaluate that issue in > more detail in the future within the framework of a WG ;-) > Best regards, Dirk > > > ________________________________ > > Von: multimob-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:multimob-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag von > pierrick.seite@orange-ftgroup.com > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Juli 2009 11:03 > An: multimob@ietf.org > Betreff: [multimob] operator's requirements > > > Hi, > > I couldn't attend the multimob session due to the overlap > with MEXT session. However, I just want to say that I agree > with operator's requirements brought by Dirk. IMHO, > harmonization with Multicast delivery on fixed network and > optimal routing are also requirements to be taken into account. > > BR, > Pierrick >