From stig@venaas.com Thu Feb 17 13:16:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C236D3A6CC3 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 13:16:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.461 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.461 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.139, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FlyomQzd-wz4 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 13:16:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from ufisa.uninett.no (ufisa.uninett.no [IPv6:2001:700:1:2:158:38:152:126]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B51303A6A9D for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 13:16:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from [IPv6:2001:420:4:ea0c:890a:b6a6:b9fa:7c16] (unknown [IPv6:2001:420:4:ea0c:890a:b6a6:b9fa:7c16]) by ufisa.uninett.no (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8F766801C for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 22:17:17 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D5D9054.9030901@venaas.com> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 13:17:08 -0800 From: Stig Venaas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: multimob mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [multimob] Charter and draft submission deadlines X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 21:16:49 -0000 Hi As you all hopefully have seen, we got a new charter with new goals and milestones, see http://tools.ietf.org/wg/multimob/charters In particular we have the following new milestones/goals: Jun 2011 - Initial version of document on PMIPv6 routing optimizations to avoid tunnel convergence problem Nov 2011 - Initial version of document on PMIPv6 multicast source mobility solution Nov 2011 - Initial version of document on PMIPv6 handover optimizations These new topics, as well as IGMP/MLD tuning, are of particular interest for our upcoming meeting. If you want to submit a new document or update an existing one, please keep the following submission deadlines in mind. •2011-03-07 (Monday): Internet Draft Cut-off for initial document (-00) submission by 17:00 PT (01:00 Tuesday, March 8 UTC), upload using IETF ID Submission Tool. •2011-03-14 (Monday): Internet Draft final submission cut-off by 17:00 PT (01:00 Tuesday, March 15 UTC), upload using IETF ID Submission Tool. For other deadlines and links to the submission tool etc., see http://www.ietf.org/meeting/cutoff-dates-2011.html#IETF80 Stig From Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de Fri Feb 18 06:00:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFFD23A6F95 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 06:00:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SOjsyCWoRJ3Z for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 06:00:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from tcmail53.telekom.de (tcmail53.telekom.de [217.5.214.110]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 612613A6F82 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 06:00:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from s4de8psaanq.blf.telekom.de (HELO S4DE8PSAANQ.mitte.t-com.de) ([10.151.180.166]) by tcmail51.telekom.de with ESMTP; 18 Feb 2011 15:01:23 +0100 Received: from S4DE8PSAAQC.mitte.t-com.de ([10.151.229.14]) by S4DE8PSAANQ.mitte.t-com.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 18 Feb 2011 15:01:23 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 15:01:22 +0100 Message-ID: <643B0A1D1A13AB498304E0BBC8027848030A34AF@S4DE8PSAAQC.mitte.t-com.de> In-Reply-To: <4D5D9054.9030901@venaas.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [multimob] Charter and draft submission deadlines Thread-Index: AcvO6BQEo5Aa0k+GRMuJ/2lsPhpZ+gAiltCg References: <4D5D9054.9030901@venaas.com> From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Feb 2011 14:01:23.0310 (UTC) FILETIME=[536E88E0:01CBCF74] Subject: Re: [multimob] Charter and draft submission deadlines X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:00:58 -0000 Dear Stig, all Thanks for the reminder! AFAIAAO for the first new WI on PMIPv6 routing = optimizations to avoid tunnel convergence problem we have at least 4 = different drafts available tackling a potential solution such as I-D.asaeda-multimob-pmip6-extension: For a PMIPv6 domain the establishment of a dedicated multicast tunnel is proposed which may either be dynamically set up and released or be pre-configured in a static manner. Both mobility entities MAG and LMA may be operated as MLD proxy or multicast router. I-D.zuniga-multimob-smspmip: By introducing a Dedicated Multicast LMA (DM-LMA) as topological = anchor point for multicast traffic the protocol complexity is reduced in = terms of time consumption for tunnel set-up by definition of pre- or post- configured tunnels between LMA and MAG. I-D.ietf-mboned-auto-multicast: WG MBONED (Multicast Backbone Deployment) describes an approach which = allows for automatic multicast communication without explicit tunnels. This = procedure may be applied to isolated multicast-enabled sites or hosts which are = attached to a network without native multicast support and removes the need = for manual configuration. I-D.sijeon-multimob-mms-pmip6: This is a direct or local routing approach applicable to a network = topology where multicast content delivery source is located in the same network as = the MN such that the optimal multicast service delivery path is not via LMA but = directly via MAG Did I describe the approaches correctly - did I miss something? Do you think we can start evaluating the different drafts versus each = other and for potential migration to a WG document?=20 Thanks for your comments! Best regards Dirk=20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: multimob-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:multimob-bounces@ietf.org] Im = Auftrag von Stig Venaas Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. Februar 2011 22:17 An: multimob mailing list Betreff: [multimob] Charter and draft submission deadlines Hi As you all hopefully have seen, we got a new charter with new goals and milestones, see http://tools.ietf.org/wg/multimob/charters In particular we have the following new milestones/goals: Jun 2011 - Initial version of document on PMIPv6 routing optimizations=20 to avoid tunnel convergence problem Nov 2011 - Initial version of document on PMIPv6 multicast source=20 mobility solution Nov 2011 - Initial version of document on PMIPv6 handover optimizations These new topics, as well as IGMP/MLD tuning, are of particular interest for our upcoming meeting. If you want to submit a new document or update an existing one, please keep the following submission deadlines in mind. *2011-03-07 (Monday): Internet Draft Cut-off for initial document (-00)=20 submission by 17:00 PT (01:00 Tuesday, March 8 UTC), upload using IETF=20 ID Submission Tool. *2011-03-14 (Monday): Internet Draft final submission cut-off by 17:00=20 PT (01:00 Tuesday, March 15 UTC), upload using IETF ID Submission Tool. For other deadlines and links to the submission tool etc., see http://www.ietf.org/meeting/cutoff-dates-2011.html#IETF80 Stig _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob From asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp Tue Feb 22 19:19:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E12763A697E for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:19:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.096 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.096 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265, RELAY_IS_203=0.994, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UtuzCUce0OaX for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:19:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp [203.178.142.146]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E1BA3A67F5 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:19:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (64.137.dhcp.conference.apricot.net [169.223.137.64]) by mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E2D18278064 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 12:19:52 +0900 (JST) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 11:19:52 +0800 (HKT) Message-Id: <20110223.111952.31587963.asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp> To: multimob@ietf.org From: Hitoshi Asaeda X-Mailer: Mew version 6.2.51 on Emacs 22.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [multimob] revision of igmp/mld optimization draft X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 03:19:11 -0000 Hello folks, We've submitted the revised version of the IGMP/MLD optimization draft. There are several notes for this revision. At first, two new co-authors, Liu and Qin, are included from this revision. They gave me several valuable comments and I believe the overall draft quality is improved. As you know, this draft aims to give the guideline for tuning igmp/mld timers and other values. The revised draft clearly describes this concept by separating subsections with possible tuning values for each timer and value. And according to the comments in the mboned WG, unicasting General query is moved to appendix, because although this spec is allowed in [RFC3376] and [RFC3810], it should not be allowed as the standard behevior. Thanks for your review. Regards, -- Hitoshi Asaeda From asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp Tue Feb 22 19:29:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A4503A6802 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:29:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.096 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.096 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265, RELAY_IS_203=0.994, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KINNzw5VfeYN for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:29:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp [203.178.142.146]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A27F83A6801 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:29:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [IPv6:2001:df9:101:0:226:8ff:feec:a255]) by mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2C457278089 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 12:29:46 +0900 (JST) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 11:29:45 +0800 (HKT) Message-Id: <20110223.112945.92529548.asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp> To: multimob@ietf.org From: Hitoshi Asaeda In-Reply-To: <20110223.111952.31587963.asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp> References: <20110223.111952.31587963.asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.2.51 on Emacs 22.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [multimob] revision of igmp/mld optimization draft X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 03:29:03 -0000 > We've submitted the revised version of the IGMP/MLD optimization > draft. The draft is available on; http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-asaeda-multimob-igmp-mld-optimization-05 Regards, -- Hitoshi Asaeda From stig@venaas.com Wed Feb 23 13:44:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FF5A3A6912 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:44:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.469 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.469 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.131, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L+yZGs6nNe2Q for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:44:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from ufisa.uninett.no (ufisa.uninett.no [IPv6:2001:700:1:2:158:38:152:126]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D98493A68F6 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:44:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [IPv6:2001:420:4:ea0c:61fd:c03c:35d:ef6d] (unknown [IPv6:2001:420:4:ea0c:61fd:c03c:35d:ef6d]) by ufisa.uninett.no (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3E37E80B0; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 22:45:09 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D657FE1.90903@venaas.com> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:45:05 -0800 From: Stig Venaas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de References: <4D5D9054.9030901@venaas.com> <643B0A1D1A13AB498304E0BBC8027848030A34AF@S4DE8PSAAQC.mitte.t-com.de> In-Reply-To: <643B0A1D1A13AB498304E0BBC8027848030A34AF@S4DE8PSAAQC.mitte.t-com.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] Charter and draft submission deadlines X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:44:25 -0000 Hi Dirk, thanks for a good summary, comments below. On 2/18/2011 6:01 AM, Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de wrote: > Dear Stig, all > Thanks for the reminder! AFAIAAO for the first new WI on PMIPv6 routing optimizations to avoid tunnel convergence problem we have at least 4 different drafts available tackling a potential solution such as > > I-D.asaeda-multimob-pmip6-extension: > For a PMIPv6 domain the establishment of a dedicated multicast tunnel > is proposed which may either be dynamically set up and released or be > pre-configured in a static manner. Both mobility entities MAG and > LMA may be operated as MLD proxy or multicast router. It's a bit unclear to me whether the tunnel approach is the same as the dedicated multicast LMA below. I haven't compared the two drafts carefully, but at least it seems to be roughly the same idea. It would be good to have a comparison. > I-D.zuniga-multimob-smspmip: > By introducing a Dedicated Multicast LMA (DM-LMA) as topological anchor > point for multicast traffic the protocol complexity is reduced in terms > of time consumption for tunnel set-up by definition of pre- or post- > configured tunnels between LMA and MAG. As I wrote above, how is this compared to the above draft? > I-D.ietf-mboned-auto-multicast: > WG MBONED (Multicast Backbone Deployment) describes an approach which allows > for automatic multicast communication without explicit tunnels. This procedure > may be applied to isolated multicast-enabled sites or hosts which are attached > to a network without native multicast support and removes the need for manual > configuration. I guess this could be done, I assume the MAGs would be the AMT gateways then. Not sure where the AMT relay would be located. I'm not sure if this is better than having a dedicated tunnel though. > I-D.sijeon-multimob-mms-pmip6: > This is a direct or local routing approach applicable to a network topology where > multicast content delivery source is located in the same network as the MN such > that the optimal multicast service delivery path is not via LMA but directly via MAG Right, so what we are saying is that the MAG can receive multicast directly, without involving the MAG. I'm tempted to say that AMT is a special case of this. Basically the MAG receives multicast from some "outside" mechanism... I think there will be a need for both approaches, both "dedicated LMA", and the MAG receiving directly. > Did I describe the approaches correctly - did I miss something? > Do you think we can start evaluating the different drafts versus each other and for potential migration to a WG document? Certainly. The above are just some of my thoughts. It would be great to see what others think. Getting some discussion and evaluation of drafts before the meeting would be great. Stig > Thanks for your comments! > > Best regards > Dirk > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: multimob-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:multimob-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag von Stig Venaas > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. Februar 2011 22:17 > An: multimob mailing list > Betreff: [multimob] Charter and draft submission deadlines > > Hi > > As you all hopefully have seen, we got a new charter > with new goals and milestones, see > http://tools.ietf.org/wg/multimob/charters > > In particular we have the following new milestones/goals: > > Jun 2011 - Initial version of document on PMIPv6 routing optimizations > to avoid tunnel convergence problem > > Nov 2011 - Initial version of document on PMIPv6 multicast source > mobility solution > > Nov 2011 - Initial version of document on PMIPv6 handover optimizations > > These new topics, as well as IGMP/MLD tuning, are of particular > interest for our upcoming meeting. If you want to submit a new > document or update an existing one, please keep the following > submission deadlines in mind. > > *2011-03-07 (Monday): Internet Draft Cut-off for initial document (-00) > submission by 17:00 PT (01:00 Tuesday, March 8 UTC), upload using IETF > ID Submission Tool. > *2011-03-14 (Monday): Internet Draft final submission cut-off by 17:00 > PT (01:00 Tuesday, March 15 UTC), upload using IETF ID Submission Tool. > > For other deadlines and links to the submission tool etc., see > http://www.ietf.org/meeting/cutoff-dates-2011.html#IETF80 > > Stig > _______________________________________________ > multimob mailing list > multimob@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob From asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp Wed Feb 23 19:15:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E8BF3A68C5 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 19:15:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.096 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.096 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265, RELAY_IS_203=0.994, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YVDpmUfbk0ti for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 19:15:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp [203.178.142.146]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A59BE3A67E4 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 19:15:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (130.150.dhcp.conference.apricot.net [169.223.150.130]) by mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4DEEA278092; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:15:49 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:15:48 +0800 (HKT) Message-Id: <20110224.111548.222441354.asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp> To: stig@venaas.com From: Hitoshi Asaeda In-Reply-To: <4D657FE1.90903@venaas.com> References: <4D5D9054.9030901@venaas.com> <643B0A1D1A13AB498304E0BBC8027848030A34AF@S4DE8PSAAQC.mitte.t-com.de> <4D657FE1.90903@venaas.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.2.51 on Emacs 22.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: multimob@ietf.org, Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de Subject: Re: [multimob] Charter and draft submission deadlines X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 03:15:04 -0000 Hi, >> I-D.asaeda-multimob-pmip6-extension: >> For a PMIPv6 domain the establishment of a dedicated multicast tunnel >> is proposed which may either be dynamically set up and released or be >> pre-configured in a static manner. Both mobility entities MAG and >> LMA may be operated as MLD proxy or multicast router. > > It's a bit unclear to me whether the tunnel approach is the same as > the > dedicated multicast LMA below. I haven't compared the two drafts > carefully, but at least it seems to be roughly the same idea. It would > be good to have a comparison. Thanks for your summary and review. We've updated our PMIPv6 extension draft; http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-asaeda-multimob-pmip6-extension-05 Please take a look at it, when you review the above topic. Thank you. Regards, -- Hitoshi Asaeda From Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de Mon Feb 28 09:18:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 326633A6A1D for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2011 09:18:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w2tkMuSU8vLA for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2011 09:18:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from tcmail83.telekom.de (tcmail83.telekom.de [62.225.183.131]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7F213A6B2F for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2011 09:18:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from s4de8psaanq.blf.telekom.de (HELO S4DE8PSAANQ.mitte.t-com.de) ([10.151.180.166]) by tcmail81.telekom.de with ESMTP; 28 Feb 2011 18:19:14 +0100 Received: from S4DE8PSAAQC.mitte.t-com.de ([10.151.229.14]) by S4DE8PSAANQ.mitte.t-com.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:19:13 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:19:08 +0100 Message-ID: <643B0A1D1A13AB498304E0BBC80278480310EB9D@S4DE8PSAAQC.mitte.t-com.de> In-Reply-To: <20110224.111548.222441354.asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [multimob] Charter and draft submission deadlines Thread-Index: AcvT0ScdUcfSTUgKTlCumMI3X0WlJQDmFq6Q References: <4D5D9054.9030901@venaas.com><643B0A1D1A13AB498304E0BBC8027848030A34AF@S4DE8PSAAQC.mitte.t-com.de><4D657FE1.90903@venaas.com> <20110224.111548.222441354.asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp> From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2011 17:19:13.0901 (UTC) FILETIME=[9EFC79D0:01CBD76B] Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] Charter and draft submission deadlines X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 17:18:16 -0000 Dear Hitoshi, all Thanks for the hint - I have read the updated draft and to me the main difference seems to be that the dual mode operation of MAG as both MLD proxy and Multicast Router is not longer envisioned. I assume in ch. 5.1 it should read _statically_ instead of _statistically_ ... :-) This approach seems to be the most general one whereas the others propose either a dedicated Multicast-LMA or a LMA-independent MR. The Mboned approach seems to be the only one which may also work for client MIP ... Right? As first attempt I think of comparing the alternatives in terms of scalability, copmpatibility with basic Multimob solution, amount of protocol extensions required, amount of entities (MAG or LMA or both or none) affected by extensions, ... Other suggestions very welcome! I am not sure whether this can be completed before Prague, but at least a draft for start-up may be provided ;-) Thanks and best regards Dirk=20 Von: multimob-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:multimob-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag von Hitoshi Asaeda Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. Februar 2011 04:16 An: stig@venaas.com Cc: multimob@ietf.org; von Hugo, Dirk Betreff: Re: [multimob] Charter and draft submission deadlines Hi, >> I-D.asaeda-multimob-pmip6-extension: >> For a PMIPv6 domain the establishment of a dedicated multicast tunnel >> is proposed which may either be dynamically set up and released or be >> pre-configured in a static manner. Both mobility entities MAG and >> LMA may be operated as MLD proxy or multicast router. >=20 > It's a bit unclear to me whether the tunnel approach is the same as > the > dedicated multicast LMA below. I haven't compared the two drafts > carefully, but at least it seems to be roughly the same idea. It would > be good to have a comparison. Thanks for your summary and review. We've updated our PMIPv6 extension draft; http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-asaeda-multimob-pmip6-extension-05 Please take a look at it, when you review the above topic. Thank you. Regards, -- Hitoshi Asaeda _______________________________________________ multimob mailing list multimob@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/multimob From behcetsarikaya@yahoo.com Mon Feb 28 11:32:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F3D63A6C75 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2011 11:32:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.183 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.183 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.184, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QRqJythFCnB5 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2011 11:32:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from nm12.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm12.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.82]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7896C3A6C57 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2011 11:32:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [98.139.91.68] by nm12.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2011 19:33:33 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.26] by tm8.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2011 19:33:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1026.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2011 19:33:33 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 195477.47743.bm@omp1026.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 60738 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Feb 2011 19:33:32 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1298921612; bh=S82uP80DMD6FEotQH5rDaBlHSGd3OeJoXQArxLhkHmw=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UgNkB5n2kgFJddSyqoYxaLq83n9W2pPey3/12b23TWkDKnGGKcJEC6w2qiqYwHbraqd8PephbQ825ZVYF/UJTrYk2Uhu5aOqgFkhozJgBHTZkAa4qna73Lg08HELQjziDcpJ9mUUm+I++C6m7eU/xnTyBOKkL4kc3UpCPyqJ2pw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=s/59niaVP5VB5cWbTXD8226Ffz1WzV962Yx589iOWAmHyc+nEBRfV25DcR3tQXT1LQjSeiILEM11wWOoB+qdauWDbjDSQM3D8/T6EWwn5211kq6cbGTHn2ToCch2bn7nlqPXT+bM2br5/dt9mxhpey1WK7LL+bYz0E40q3U+c9A=; Message-ID: <596660.55216.qm@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: d1jv8jAVM1n8tdLsN_eyAn7FxuF5P_bakOTGm9nbZp7iWeP 5.grau7sr2osRKc0LPqfXa4tsakfi.ok9F18Oxm3KDN72Oi5Db0dtgn5dW8O M_5L6WyphjbjqpYjZm9YE_KtEBKNdQEQqM34qq0Z9kfDcuJj7Ae_UtFrI5Dc AoMPfpLTyfRHXw0WhX92V2RdtoCfpCkFqRxiHd3sZxuJg7xpb2eLqUZ70NwJ xsvQYZ0PIzRZKeNGNRuNgFMKNqRpjIUl17YurYSga6LTQDZkWLt8LpwvrKpj znA72pcr4dvjMba3MJLqwND0tj5cqIEw2D3_rWHWCTqUBJzTs0MaqieZaG2C CPBeZUsc2FYmj.oaIS9KlpwKzG8XfIycra41nKtV4WraRm4yHe3oBWuOBCjc .FrIo2oleEo0x Received: from [206.16.17.212] by web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Feb 2011 11:33:32 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/555 YahooMailWebService/0.8.109.292656 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 11:33:32 -0800 (PST) From: Behcet Sarikaya To: multimob@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [multimob] Session in Prague X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Behcet Sarikaya List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 19:32:35 -0000 Folks, We got our session tentatively reserved like this: > MULTIMOB Session 1 (2 hours) > Tuesday, Morning Session I 0900-1130 > Room Name: Roma We are still waiting for presentation requests. So far we have received only one :-). Regards, Behcet & Stig From behcetsarikaya@yahoo.com Mon Feb 28 13:02:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D2893A6C9A for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2011 13:02:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.351 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.351 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.248, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LiGvMSP9OJAM for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2011 13:02:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from nm3-vm1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm3-vm1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.90.231]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id F31B03A6A14 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2011 13:02:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from [98.139.91.61] by nm3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2011 21:03:45 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.34] by tm1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2011 21:03:45 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1034.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2011 21:03:45 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 447968.43300.bm@omp1034.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 13335 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Feb 2011 21:03:45 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1298927025; bh=QiPXoHX+TABAUWdCv0NVmdkXRYctixIb6Jzw3qPTeFs=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LdcXXWOzk/Yt4PlFFBKd6B8r5/WHFf6zVB50NAqdOfxkBwxrsMOKUUYnuWLrMbCqisjAok0dP+NxlbgkcEC/lXjjmcd1qqgtAN2xCcDO7eCP6hO+08ax4oRIIDCNBqr/++oYXx1cWs1Ro6YBvOsd2yS7OuPc/yZbFH5Bn8UM35E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4a+SngPihjDbsVLjGhSyA0KbKbBDCPpv3o3BVGF9kraxn4j6zp/v4PPpS2d+AsobM3l9gGAq5gIK/uC74DKfRelAeF57kDf7O1ilxwFYqfANabqvu9agBvle7n240LM/9fjgeZGhX0xB+PbIvUHbGnprLtqAJcfOmERozzg6yeg=; Message-ID: <176899.13118.qm@web111411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: KCRLO.8VM1naH25whMdxcpSkKoxOnSCtKxC4oyHtoFv8qC6 Dy47OkwPJicM_RCTaTLHdvA6q0SbT2ENF3DfpdbkJgBdBswERAWxQ7OqEIGz GqhJzorudUBucbT6QDMLmkkcOkrVTaIOu8QlwuaIT7qnvZ075t6T4ZFjE4Nm 4kbYpqVdaFNBhPUzMwQA1JoDaNcV_ahw2bmdQtB8eWdDKBy9ilmlUakDdviL YNKbMy.sxSJASyihnanV0ubqxiWGpnqRRWnBM.359zc8gT0Ryf5MJkb0w1vR 8lndVwu3FcC43559mFquBNHNQCkQu_PLpctGrUumzP3P5llN2fQVswBCkS37 M3InReotm2BMF3e0dfTgREmGtQG5W0eQOwlllQb1LJSGDqAXJE87h3pw9BQP k3g7DaNKGQ7AW Received: from [206.16.17.212] by web111411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Feb 2011 13:03:45 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/555 YahooMailWebService/0.8.109.292656 References: <4D5D9054.9030901@venaas.com> <643B0A1D1A13AB498304E0BBC8027848030A34AF@S4DE8PSAAQC.mitte.t-com.de> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 13:03:45 -0800 (PST) From: Behcet Sarikaya To: Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de, multimob@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <643B0A1D1A13AB498304E0BBC8027848030A34AF@S4DE8PSAAQC.mitte.t-com.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [multimob] OFFLIST: Charter and draft submission deadlines X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: Behcet Sarikaya List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 21:02:50 -0000 Hi Dirk, > > Dear Stig, all > Thanks for the reminder! AFAIAAO for the first new WI on PMIPv6 routing >optimizations to avoid tunnel convergence problem we have at least 4 different >drafts available tackling a potential solution such as > > I-D.ietf-mboned-auto-multicast: > WG MBONED (Multicast Backbone Deployment) describes an approach which >allows > for automatic multicast communication without explicit tunnels. This >procedure > may be applied to isolated multicast-enabled sites or hosts which are >attached > to a network without native multicast support and removes the need for >manual > configuration. If you think this draft applies to our charter item then maybe we need a short draft explaining how. Regards, Behcet From asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp Mon Feb 28 19:13:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: multimob@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5125C3A6D8B for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2011 19:13:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.096 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.096 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265, RELAY_IS_203=0.994, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RTS5W3B3UaFh for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2011 19:13:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp [203.178.142.146]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7659B3A6A6B for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2011 19:13:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (hapro.sfc.wide.ad.jp [203.178.143.166]) by mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 232BC278079; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 12:14:17 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 12:14:16 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20110301.121416.39656930.asaeda@sfc.wide.ad.jp> To: sarikaya@ieee.org, behcetsarikaya@yahoo.com From: Hitoshi Asaeda In-Reply-To: <596660.55216.qm@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <596660.55216.qm@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.2 on Emacs 22.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: multimob@ietf.org Subject: Re: [multimob] Session in Prague X-BeenThere: multimob@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Mobility List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 03:13:23 -0000 Hi Behcet, > Folks, > We got our session tentatively reserved like this: > >> MULTIMOB Session 1 (2 hours) >> Tuesday, Morning Session I 0900-1130 >> Room Name: Roma > > We are still waiting for presentation requests. So far we have > received only one :-). I'd like to ask the following two presentation items. o. IGMP/MLD tuning draft http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-asaeda-multimob-igmp-mld-optimization-05 o. PMIPv6 extension draft http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-asaeda-multimob-pmip6-extension-05 Regards, -- Hitoshi Asaeda