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Passwords for nemo-web-archive@ietf.org: List Password // URL ---- -------- nemo@ietf.org dawauv https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/options/nemo/nemo-web-archive%40ietf.org From nemo-admin@ietf.org Fri Jan 9 15:25:43 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA09456 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 15:25:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Af3Bp-0004MK-42; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 15:25:05 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Af3B2-0004EJ-Hg for nemo@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 15:24:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA08553 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 15:24:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Af3B0-0007iO-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 15:24:14 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Af2ac-0001gT-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 14:46:39 -0500 Received: from motgate8.mot.com ([129.188.136.8]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Af1rZ-00006A-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 14:00:05 -0500 Received: from il06exr06.mot.com (il06exr06.mot.com [129.188.137.136]) by motgate8.mot.com (Motorola/Motgate3) with ESMTP id i09IxtDc003764 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:59:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from zfr01srv02.crm.mot.com (zfr01srv02.crm.mot.com [10.161.201.8]) by il06exr06.mot.com (Motorola/il06exr06) with ESMTP id i09IxiiN006838 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 12:59:49 -0600 Received: from motorola.com (test9.crm.mot.com [10.161.201.219]) by zfr01srv02.crm.mot.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A5EE85272C for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 19:59:44 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3FFEFA20.2080601@motorola.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 19:59:44 +0100 From: Alexandru Petrescu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3a) Gecko/20021212 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nemo@ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.72.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [nemo] New version of draft on NEMO threats Sender: nemo-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: nemo-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, We've just submitted a new version of draft-petrescu-nemo-threats-01.txt to the I-D editor and hope it will show on the NEMO WG list soon. Until then one can find it at: http://www.mobilenetworks.org/nemo/drafts/draft-petrescu-nemo-threats-01.txt In this new version we have added more detail about the described threats (included packet formats and how and what IPsec headers protect) all at the same time by narrowing the focus explicitely on the NEMO base protocol as it is in draft-ietf-nemo-basic-support-02.txt and avoiding as much as possible description of threats of Mobile IPv6 or other Internet generic threats. Seongho Cho provided significant comments that we acknowledge. We solicit and welcome further comments and discussion on Threats for NEMO, thank you, Alex From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Jan 9 15:37:04 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA12549 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 15:37:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Af3Mw-0005Xu-GK for nemo-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 15:36:34 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i09KaYjK021312 for nemo-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 15:36:34 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Af3Mu-0005Xf-U5 for nemo-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 15:36:34 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA12234 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 15:36:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Af3Mt-0002wG-00 for nemo-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 15:36:31 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Af3Il-0001kx-00 for nemo-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 15:32:18 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Af3Bx-0000Gx-00 for nemo-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 15:25:13 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Af3Bp-0004MK-42; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 15:25:05 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Af3B2-0004EJ-Hg for nemo@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 15:24:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA08553 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 15:24:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Af3B0-0007iO-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 15:24:14 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Af2ac-0001gT-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 14:46:39 -0500 Received: from motgate8.mot.com ([129.188.136.8]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Af1rZ-00006A-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 14:00:05 -0500 Received: from il06exr06.mot.com (il06exr06.mot.com [129.188.137.136]) by motgate8.mot.com (Motorola/Motgate3) with ESMTP id i09IxtDc003764 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:59:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from zfr01srv02.crm.mot.com (zfr01srv02.crm.mot.com [10.161.201.8]) by il06exr06.mot.com (Motorola/il06exr06) with ESMTP id i09IxiiN006838 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 12:59:49 -0600 Received: from motorola.com (test9.crm.mot.com [10.161.201.219]) by zfr01srv02.crm.mot.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A5EE85272C for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 19:59:44 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3FFEFA20.2080601@motorola.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 19:59:44 +0100 From: Alexandru Petrescu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3a) Gecko/20021212 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nemo@ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.72.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [nemo] New version of draft on NEMO threats Sender: nemo-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: nemo-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, We've just submitted a new version of draft-petrescu-nemo-threats-01.txt to the I-D editor and hope it will show on the NEMO WG list soon. Until then one can find it at: http://www.mobilenetworks.org/nemo/drafts/draft-petrescu-nemo-threats-01.txt In this new version we have added more detail about the described threats (included packet formats and how and what IPsec headers protect) all at the same time by narrowing the focus explicitely on the NEMO base protocol as it is in draft-ietf-nemo-basic-support-02.txt and avoiding as much as possible description of threats of Mobile IPv6 or other Internet generic threats. Seongho Cho provided significant comments that we acknowledge. We solicit and welcome further comments and discussion on Threats for NEMO, thank you, Alex From nemo-admin@ietf.org Tue Jan 13 09:46:34 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA14708 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:46:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AgPnt-0007vI-8s; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:46:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AgPmx-0007jC-98 for nemo@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:45:03 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA14577 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:45:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AgPmj-0002Od-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:44:49 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AgPkv-0002Hz-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:42:58 -0500 Received: from roura.ac.upc.es ([147.83.33.10]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AgPjz-0002B7-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:41:59 -0500 Received: from rogent.ac.upc.es (rogent.ac.upc.es [147.83.31.7]) by roura.ac.upc.es (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0DEfR7J019237 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:41:27 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ew2004@localhost) by rogent.ac.upc.es (8.12.8/8.12.8) id i0DEfQ5L006858 for nemo@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:41:26 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:41:26 +0100 From: Conferencia ew2004 To: nemo@ietf.org Message-ID: <20040113144126.GA6850@ac.upc.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.60 Subject: [nemo] EW2004 Call For Participation Sender: nemo-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: nemo-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Dear Colleague, Please accept our apologies if you receive multiple copies of this e-mail. You are cordially invited to attend The 5th European Wireless Conference (EW2004) Mobile and Wireless Systems beyond 3G to be held in Barcelona, Spain in February 24-27, 2004. All the details about the conference can be found at: http://www.ac.upc.es/EW2004 (look at links: "Conference Program", "Tutorials" and "Conference and tutorial Registration") Looking forward to see you in Barcelona, EW2004 organizing committee. From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Jan 13 09:51:01 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA15066 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:51:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AgPsH-0008Lx-7p for nemo-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:50:33 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0DEoXKN032103 for nemo-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:50:33 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AgPsH-0008Li-2e for nemo-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:50:33 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA14994 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:50:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AgPsF-00036X-00 for nemo-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:50:31 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AgPpy-0002ky-00 for nemo-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:48:12 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AgPny-0002SJ-00 for nemo-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:46:06 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AgPnt-0007vI-8s; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:46:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AgPmx-0007jC-98 for nemo@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:45:03 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA14577 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:45:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AgPmj-0002Od-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:44:49 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AgPkv-0002Hz-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:42:58 -0500 Received: from roura.ac.upc.es ([147.83.33.10]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AgPjz-0002B7-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:41:59 -0500 Received: from rogent.ac.upc.es (rogent.ac.upc.es [147.83.31.7]) by roura.ac.upc.es (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i0DEfR7J019237 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:41:27 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ew2004@localhost) by rogent.ac.upc.es (8.12.8/8.12.8) id i0DEfQ5L006858 for nemo@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:41:26 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:41:26 +0100 From: Conferencia ew2004 To: nemo@ietf.org Message-ID: <20040113144126.GA6850@ac.upc.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: [nemo] EW2004 Call For Participation Sender: nemo-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: nemo-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.60 Dear Colleague, Please accept our apologies if you receive multiple copies of this e-mail. You are cordially invited to attend The 5th European Wireless Conference (EW2004) Mobile and Wireless Systems beyond 3G to be held in Barcelona, Spain in February 24-27, 2004. All the details about the conference can be found at: http://www.ac.upc.es/EW2004 (look at links: "Conference Program", "Tutorials" and "Conference and tutorial Registration") Looking forward to see you in Barcelona, EW2004 organizing committee. From nemo-admin@ietf.org Thu Jan 15 20:53:51 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA13094 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:53:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhJ9U-0001tN-JA; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:52:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhJ8j-0001sD-Rd for nemo@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:51:13 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA13025 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:51:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhJ8h-0003Ib-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:51:11 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AhJ7f-0003Fl-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:50:08 -0500 Received: from [202.20.142.13] (helo=ns.sait.samsung.co.kr) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhJ74-0003BX-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:49:30 -0500 Received: from ns.sait.samsung.co.kr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAA7F1F36F; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:48:56 +0900 (KST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 by 127.0.0.1(smtpfilter) with ESMTP; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:48:56 +0900 (KST) Received: from LocalHost (unknown [75.2.47.234]) by ns.sait.samsung.co.kr (Postfix) with ESMTP id:254F21F347; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:48:56 +0900 (KST) Reply-To: From: "Jung-Hoon Cheon" To: Cc: , Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:48:56 +0900 Organization: Samsung AIT Message-ID: <000001c3dbd2$e76e81a0$ea2f024b@LocalHost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200401152109.QAA28426@ietf.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [nemo] RE: I-D ACTION:draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt Sender: nemo-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: nemo-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi...Hosik and Eunkyung. your solution is very applicable for nested networks. if MRs know their correct age, MRs can manage a hierarchy within overall mobile network. The MR sends a RA message including its age. Also, knows its current position from received RA message. I have a question. How can MR know its age? I think that before comparing its age with other age, MR should know its age. Sincerely. Jung-Hoon -----Original Message----- From: owner-ietf-announce@ietf.org [mailto:owner-ietf-announce@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 6:10 AM To: IETF-Announce: Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Hierarchical Mobile Router Advertisement for nested mobile networks Author(s) : H. Cho Filename : draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2004-1-15 This document describes needs for hierarchical mobile router advertisement for nested mobile networks. When ingress and egress interfaces of a Mobile Router are both wireless, the MR cannot distinguish the Router Advertisement of the parent MR from the RA of the child MR. To maintain hierarchical information of wireless nested mobile networks, RA message needs to be extended to deliver additional information for hierarchy. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. 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From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Jan 15 20:54:22 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA13119 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:54:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhJBJ-0001zm-9p for nemo-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:53:54 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0G1rrqP007666 for nemo-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:53:53 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhJBJ-0001zZ-60 for nemo-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:53:53 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA13092 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:53:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhJBG-0003PS-00 for nemo-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:53:50 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AhJAN-0003Nv-00 for nemo-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:52:55 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhJ9Z-0003M3-00 for nemo-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:52:05 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhJ9U-0001tN-JA; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:52:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhJ8j-0001sD-Rd for nemo@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:51:13 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA13025 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:51:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhJ8h-0003Ib-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:51:11 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AhJ7f-0003Fl-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:50:08 -0500 Received: from [202.20.142.13] (helo=ns.sait.samsung.co.kr) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhJ74-0003BX-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:49:30 -0500 Received: from ns.sait.samsung.co.kr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAA7F1F36F; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:48:56 +0900 (KST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 by 127.0.0.1(smtpfilter) with ESMTP; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:48:56 +0900 (KST) Received: from LocalHost (unknown [75.2.47.234]) by ns.sait.samsung.co.kr (Postfix) with ESMTP id:254F21F347; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:48:56 +0900 (KST) Reply-To: From: "Jung-Hoon Cheon" To: Cc: , Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:48:56 +0900 Organization: Samsung AIT Message-ID: <000001c3dbd2$e76e81a0$ea2f024b@LocalHost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200401152109.QAA28426@ietf.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [nemo] RE: I-D ACTION:draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt Sender: nemo-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: nemo-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi...Hosik and Eunkyung. your solution is very applicable for nested networks. if MRs know their correct age, MRs can manage a hierarchy within overall mobile network. The MR sends a RA message including its age. Also, knows its current position from received RA message. I have a question. How can MR know its age? I think that before comparing its age with other age, MR should know its age. Sincerely. Jung-Hoon -----Original Message----- From: owner-ietf-announce@ietf.org [mailto:owner-ietf-announce@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 6:10 AM To: IETF-Announce: Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Hierarchical Mobile Router Advertisement for nested mobile networks Author(s) : H. Cho Filename : draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2004-1-15 This document describes needs for hierarchical mobile router advertisement for nested mobile networks. When ingress and egress interfaces of a Mobile Router are both wireless, the MR cannot distinguish the Router Advertisement of the parent MR from the RA of the child MR. To maintain hierarchical information of wireless nested mobile networks, RA message needs to be extended to deliver additional information for hierarchy. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. From nemo-admin@ietf.org Thu Jan 15 22:14:31 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA14816 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:14:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhKQr-0005Lz-Oq; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:14:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhKQn-0005Lb-Fe for nemo@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:13:57 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA14813 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:13:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhKQk-0006DT-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:13:54 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AhKPo-0006Bz-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:12:57 -0500 Received: from mmlab.snu.ac.kr ([147.46.114.112]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhKPV-0006AN-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:12:38 -0500 Received: from cydream (bijou.snu.ac.kr [147.46.114.131]) by mmlab.snu.ac.kr (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i0G3Caw21445; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:12:36 +0900 (KST) (envelope-from hscho@mmlab.snu.ac.kr) Message-Id: <200401160312.i0G3Caw21445@mmlab.snu.ac.kr> From: "Hosik Cho" To: Cc: , Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:12:46 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcPb0up6W2edmFWdSbSYwZ8o64jymAAAIW/A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <000001c3dbd2$e76e81a0$ea2f024b@LocalHost> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [nemo] RE: I-D ACTION:draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt Sender: nemo-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: nemo-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jung-Hoon, Thank you for your interest in our draft. > How can MR know its age? > I think that before comparing its age with other age, MR should know its age. Every mobile router has the initial value of zero. Every access router has the initial value of the maximum age. (In our draft, the field size for AGE is three bits, so the maximum age is defined 7. But this value of maximum age may be extended later, if we need.) The age of each child MR is re-calculated when if receives a RA message from its parent MR. If the received age, i.e. the parent MR's age, is bigger than its age, the child MR re-assigns its age to (received age)-1. Regards, Hosik -----Original Message----- From: Jung-Hoon Cheon [mailto:jhch@sait.samsung.co.kr] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 10:49 AM To: nemo@ietf.org Cc: hscho@mmlab.snu.ac.kr; eun@mmlab.snu.ac.kr Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt Hi...Hosik and Eunkyung. your solution is very applicable for nested networks. if MRs know their correct age, MRs can manage a hierarchy within overall mobile network. The MR sends a RA message including its age. Also, knows its current position from received RA message. I have a question. How can MR know its age? I think that before comparing its age with other age, MR should know its age. Sincerely. Jung-Hoon -----Original Message----- From: owner-ietf-announce@ietf.org [mailto:owner-ietf-announce@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 6:10 AM To: IETF-Announce: Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Hierarchical Mobile Router Advertisement for nested mobile networks Author(s) : H. Cho Filename : draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2004-1-15 This document describes needs for hierarchical mobile router advertisement for nested mobile networks. When ingress and egress interfaces of a Mobile Router are both wireless, the MR cannot distinguish the Router Advertisement of the parent MR from the RA of the child MR. To maintain hierarchical information of wireless nested mobile networks, RA message needs to be extended to deliver additional information for hierarchy. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Jan 15 22:16:22 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA14875 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:16:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhKSh-0005TD-Fb for nemo-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:15:55 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0G3Ftm5021021 for nemo-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:15:55 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhKSh-0005Sy-Bh for nemo-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:15:55 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA14864 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:15:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhKSe-0006IP-00 for nemo-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:15:52 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AhKRl-0006GX-00 for nemo-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:14:57 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhKQr-0006ER-00 for nemo-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:14:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhKQr-0005Lz-Oq; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:14:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhKQn-0005Lb-Fe for nemo@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:13:57 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA14813 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:13:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhKQk-0006DT-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:13:54 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AhKPo-0006Bz-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:12:57 -0500 Received: from mmlab.snu.ac.kr ([147.46.114.112]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhKPV-0006AN-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:12:38 -0500 Received: from cydream (bijou.snu.ac.kr [147.46.114.131]) by mmlab.snu.ac.kr (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i0G3Caw21445; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:12:36 +0900 (KST) (envelope-from hscho@mmlab.snu.ac.kr) Message-Id: <200401160312.i0G3Caw21445@mmlab.snu.ac.kr> From: "Hosik Cho" To: Cc: , Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:12:46 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcPb0up6W2edmFWdSbSYwZ8o64jymAAAIW/A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <000001c3dbd2$e76e81a0$ea2f024b@LocalHost> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [nemo] RE: I-D ACTION:draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt Sender: nemo-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: nemo-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jung-Hoon, Thank you for your interest in our draft. > How can MR know its age? > I think that before comparing its age with other age, MR should know its age. Every mobile router has the initial value of zero. Every access router has the initial value of the maximum age. (In our draft, the field size for AGE is three bits, so the maximum age is defined 7. But this value of maximum age may be extended later, if we need.) The age of each child MR is re-calculated when if receives a RA message from its parent MR. If the received age, i.e. the parent MR's age, is bigger than its age, the child MR re-assigns its age to (received age)-1. Regards, Hosik -----Original Message----- From: Jung-Hoon Cheon [mailto:jhch@sait.samsung.co.kr] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 10:49 AM To: nemo@ietf.org Cc: hscho@mmlab.snu.ac.kr; eun@mmlab.snu.ac.kr Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt Hi...Hosik and Eunkyung. your solution is very applicable for nested networks. if MRs know their correct age, MRs can manage a hierarchy within overall mobile network. The MR sends a RA message including its age. Also, knows its current position from received RA message. I have a question. How can MR know its age? I think that before comparing its age with other age, MR should know its age. Sincerely. Jung-Hoon -----Original Message----- From: owner-ietf-announce@ietf.org [mailto:owner-ietf-announce@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 6:10 AM To: IETF-Announce: Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Hierarchical Mobile Router Advertisement for nested mobile networks Author(s) : H. Cho Filename : draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2004-1-15 This document describes needs for hierarchical mobile router advertisement for nested mobile networks. When ingress and egress interfaces of a Mobile Router are both wireless, the MR cannot distinguish the Router Advertisement of the parent MR from the RA of the child MR. To maintain hierarchical information of wireless nested mobile networks, RA message needs to be extended to deliver additional information for hierarchy. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. From nemo-admin@ietf.org Thu Jan 15 22:57:42 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA15613 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:57:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhL6S-0006t4-Pq; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:57:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhL5e-0006sQ-HH for nemo@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:56:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA15595 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhL5O-0007YI-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:55:54 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AhL4V-0007X0-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:55:00 -0500 Received: from [202.20.142.13] (helo=ns.sait.samsung.co.kr) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhL3j-0007ST-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:54:11 -0500 Received: from ns.sait.samsung.co.kr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9821F1F35F; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:53:39 +0900 (KST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 by 127.0.0.1(smtpfilter) with ESMTP; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:53:39 +0900 (KST) Received: from LocalHost (unknown [75.2.47.234]) by ns.sait.samsung.co.kr (Postfix) with ESMTP id:CE7191F381; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:53:38 +0900 (KST) Reply-To: From: "Jung-Hoon Cheon" To: "'Hosik Cho'" Cc: , Subject: RE: [nemo] RE: I-D ACTION:draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:53:39 +0900 Organization: Samsung AIT Message-ID: <000201c3dbe4$537f8b80$ea2f024b@LocalHost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <200401160312.i0G3Caw21445@mmlab.snu.ac.kr> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nemo-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: nemo-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi. Hosik and all, If MR2 and MR3 arrive at foreign network almost simultaneously and MR2 receives two RA message from the both MR1(age=6) and MR3(age=7) before sending RA message, at this time, how can the MR2 determine MR1 with its parent MR? AR | MR1 | MR2 | MR3 As my understanding, every MR update its position according to other MR's age, whenever receiving RA message. It's not easy to solve this problem. -----Original Message----- From: nemo-admin@ietf.org [mailto:nemo-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Hosik Cho Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 12:13 PM To: jhch@sait.samsung.co.kr Cc: eun@mmlab.snu.ac.kr; nemo@ietf.org Subject: [nemo] RE: I-D ACTION:draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt Hi Jung-Hoon, Thank you for your interest in our draft. > How can MR know its age? > I think that before comparing its age with other age, MR should know > its age. Every mobile router has the initial value of zero. Every access router has the initial value of the maximum age. (In our draft, the field size for AGE is three bits, so the maximum age is defined 7. But this value of maximum age may be extended later, if we need.) The age of each child MR is re-calculated when if receives a RA message from its parent MR. If the received age, i.e. the parent MR's age, is bigger than its age, the child MR re-assigns its age to (received age)-1. Regards, Hosik -----Original Message----- From: Jung-Hoon Cheon [mailto:jhch@sait.samsung.co.kr] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 10:49 AM To: nemo@ietf.org Cc: hscho@mmlab.snu.ac.kr; eun@mmlab.snu.ac.kr Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt Hi...Hosik and Eunkyung. your solution is very applicable for nested networks. if MRs know their correct age, MRs can manage a hierarchy within overall mobile network. The MR sends a RA message including its age. Also, knows its current position from received RA message. I have a question. How can MR know its age? I think that before comparing its age with other age, MR should know its age. Sincerely. Jung-Hoon -----Original Message----- From: owner-ietf-announce@ietf.org [mailto:owner-ietf-announce@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 6:10 AM To: IETF-Announce: Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Hierarchical Mobile Router Advertisement for nested mobile networks Author(s) : H. Cho Filename : draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2004-1-15 This document describes needs for hierarchical mobile router advertisement for nested mobile networks. When ingress and egress interfaces of a Mobile Router are both wireless, the MR cannot distinguish the Router Advertisement of the parent MR from the RA of the child MR. To maintain hierarchical information of wireless nested mobile networks, RA message needs to be extended to deliver additional information for hierarchy. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Jan 15 22:59:22 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA15656 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:59:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhL8J-00070C-NT for nemo-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:58:55 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0G3wtOP026910 for nemo-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:58:55 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhL8J-0006zx-Hk for nemo-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:58:55 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA15652 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:58:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhL8G-0007dk-00 for nemo-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:58:52 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AhL7L-0007cO-00 for nemo-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:57:56 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhL6e-0007b2-00 for nemo-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:57:12 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhL6S-0006t4-Pq; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:57:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhL5e-0006sQ-HH for nemo@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:56:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA15595 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhL5O-0007YI-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:55:54 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AhL4V-0007X0-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:55:00 -0500 Received: from [202.20.142.13] (helo=ns.sait.samsung.co.kr) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhL3j-0007ST-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:54:11 -0500 Received: from ns.sait.samsung.co.kr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9821F1F35F; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:53:39 +0900 (KST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 by 127.0.0.1(smtpfilter) with ESMTP; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:53:39 +0900 (KST) Received: from LocalHost (unknown [75.2.47.234]) by ns.sait.samsung.co.kr (Postfix) with ESMTP id:CE7191F381; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:53:38 +0900 (KST) Reply-To: From: "Jung-Hoon Cheon" To: "'Hosik Cho'" Cc: , Subject: RE: [nemo] RE: I-D ACTION:draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:53:39 +0900 Organization: Samsung AIT Message-ID: <000201c3dbe4$537f8b80$ea2f024b@LocalHost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <200401160312.i0G3Caw21445@mmlab.snu.ac.kr> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nemo-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: nemo-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi. Hosik and all, If MR2 and MR3 arrive at foreign network almost simultaneously and MR2 receives two RA message from the both MR1(age=6) and MR3(age=7) before sending RA message, at this time, how can the MR2 determine MR1 with its parent MR? AR | MR1 | MR2 | MR3 As my understanding, every MR update its position according to other MR's age, whenever receiving RA message. It's not easy to solve this problem. -----Original Message----- From: nemo-admin@ietf.org [mailto:nemo-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Hosik Cho Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 12:13 PM To: jhch@sait.samsung.co.kr Cc: eun@mmlab.snu.ac.kr; nemo@ietf.org Subject: [nemo] RE: I-D ACTION:draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt Hi Jung-Hoon, Thank you for your interest in our draft. > How can MR know its age? > I think that before comparing its age with other age, MR should know > its age. Every mobile router has the initial value of zero. Every access router has the initial value of the maximum age. (In our draft, the field size for AGE is three bits, so the maximum age is defined 7. But this value of maximum age may be extended later, if we need.) The age of each child MR is re-calculated when if receives a RA message from its parent MR. If the received age, i.e. the parent MR's age, is bigger than its age, the child MR re-assigns its age to (received age)-1. Regards, Hosik -----Original Message----- From: Jung-Hoon Cheon [mailto:jhch@sait.samsung.co.kr] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 10:49 AM To: nemo@ietf.org Cc: hscho@mmlab.snu.ac.kr; eun@mmlab.snu.ac.kr Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt Hi...Hosik and Eunkyung. your solution is very applicable for nested networks. if MRs know their correct age, MRs can manage a hierarchy within overall mobile network. The MR sends a RA message including its age. Also, knows its current position from received RA message. I have a question. How can MR know its age? I think that before comparing its age with other age, MR should know its age. Sincerely. Jung-Hoon -----Original Message----- From: owner-ietf-announce@ietf.org [mailto:owner-ietf-announce@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 6:10 AM To: IETF-Announce: Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Hierarchical Mobile Router Advertisement for nested mobile networks Author(s) : H. Cho Filename : draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2004-1-15 This document describes needs for hierarchical mobile router advertisement for nested mobile networks. When ingress and egress interfaces of a Mobile Router are both wireless, the MR cannot distinguish the Router Advertisement of the parent MR from the RA of the child MR. To maintain hierarchical information of wireless nested mobile networks, RA message needs to be extended to deliver additional information for hierarchy. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. From nemo-admin@ietf.org Thu Jan 15 23:32:32 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA16331 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:32:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhLeM-0008I4-2m; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:32:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhLeL-0008Hq-B5 for nemo@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:32:01 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA16312 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:31:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhLeJ-0000u8-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:31:59 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AhLdJ-0000rv-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:30:58 -0500 Received: from mmlab.snu.ac.kr ([147.46.114.112]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhLck-0000qM-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:30:22 -0500 Received: from cydream (bijou.snu.ac.kr [147.46.114.131]) by mmlab.snu.ac.kr (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i0G4UKw22924; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:30:20 +0900 (KST) (envelope-from hscho@mmlab.snu.ac.kr) Message-Id: <200401160430.i0G4UKw22924@mmlab.snu.ac.kr> From: "Hosik Cho" To: Cc: , Subject: RE: [nemo] RE: I-D ACTION:draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:30:31 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcPb5Nw1EJg3LOAUQru2GD2pIW63XQAAfMFw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <000201c3dbe4$537f8b80$ea2f024b@LocalHost> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nemo-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: nemo-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jung-Hoon, > If MR2 and MR3 arrive at foreign network almost simultaneously > and MR2 receives two RA message from the both MR1(age=6) and MR3(age=7) > before sending RA message, at this time, how can the MR2 determine MR1 with its parent MR? Only access routers can have the maximum age 7. When MR2 and MR3 enter into the network, the ages of MR are initially zero. And MR2 can receive two RAs from MR1(age=6) and MR3(age=0). So MR2(age=0) accepts the RA from MR1(age=6) and sets its age to 5. Regards, Hosik -----Original Message----- From: nemo-admin@ietf.org [mailto:nemo-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jung-Hoon Cheon Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 12:54 PM To: 'Hosik Cho' Cc: eun@mmlab.snu.ac.kr; nemo@ietf.org Subject: RE: [nemo] RE: I-D ACTION:draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt Hi. Hosik and all, If MR2 and MR3 arrive at foreign network almost simultaneously and MR2 receives two RA message from the both MR1(age=6) and MR3(age=7) before sending RA message, at this time, how can the MR2 determine MR1 with its parent MR? AR | MR1 | MR2 | MR3 As my understanding, every MR update its position according to other MR's age, whenever receiving RA message. It's not easy to solve this problem. -----Original Message----- From: nemo-admin@ietf.org [mailto:nemo-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Hosik Cho Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 12:13 PM To: jhch@sait.samsung.co.kr Cc: eun@mmlab.snu.ac.kr; nemo@ietf.org Subject: [nemo] RE: I-D ACTION:draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt Hi Jung-Hoon, Thank you for your interest in our draft. > How can MR know its age? > I think that before comparing its age with other age, MR should know > its age. Every mobile router has the initial value of zero. Every access router has the initial value of the maximum age. (In our draft, the field size for AGE is three bits, so the maximum age is defined 7. But this value of maximum age may be extended later, if we need.) The age of each child MR is re-calculated when if receives a RA message from its parent MR. If the received age, i.e. the parent MR's age, is bigger than its age, the child MR re-assigns its age to (received age)-1. Regards, Hosik -----Original Message----- From: Jung-Hoon Cheon [mailto:jhch@sait.samsung.co.kr] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 10:49 AM To: nemo@ietf.org Cc: hscho@mmlab.snu.ac.kr; eun@mmlab.snu.ac.kr Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt Hi...Hosik and Eunkyung. your solution is very applicable for nested networks. if MRs know their correct age, MRs can manage a hierarchy within overall mobile network. The MR sends a RA message including its age. Also, knows its current position from received RA message. I have a question. How can MR know its age? I think that before comparing its age with other age, MR should know its age. Sincerely. Jung-Hoon -----Original Message----- From: owner-ietf-announce@ietf.org [mailto:owner-ietf-announce@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 6:10 AM To: IETF-Announce: Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Hierarchical Mobile Router Advertisement for nested mobile networks Author(s) : H. Cho Filename : draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2004-1-15 This document describes needs for hierarchical mobile router advertisement for nested mobile networks. When ingress and egress interfaces of a Mobile Router are both wireless, the MR cannot distinguish the Router Advertisement of the parent MR from the RA of the child MR. To maintain hierarchical information of wireless nested mobile networks, RA message needs to be extended to deliver additional information for hierarchy. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Jan 15 23:34:24 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA16363 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:34:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhLgC-0008Ny-Ds for nemo-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:33:56 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0G4Xue4032230 for nemo-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:33:56 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhLgC-0008Nl-9O for nemo-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:33:56 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA16353 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:33:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhLgA-0000xq-00 for nemo-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:33:54 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AhLfB-0000w6-00 for nemo-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:32:54 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhLeN-0000ug-00 for nemo-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:32:03 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhLeM-0008I4-2m; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:32:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhLeL-0008Hq-B5 for nemo@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:32:01 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA16312 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:31:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhLeJ-0000u8-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:31:59 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AhLdJ-0000rv-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:30:58 -0500 Received: from mmlab.snu.ac.kr ([147.46.114.112]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhLck-0000qM-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:30:22 -0500 Received: from cydream (bijou.snu.ac.kr [147.46.114.131]) by mmlab.snu.ac.kr (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i0G4UKw22924; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:30:20 +0900 (KST) (envelope-from hscho@mmlab.snu.ac.kr) Message-Id: <200401160430.i0G4UKw22924@mmlab.snu.ac.kr> From: "Hosik Cho" To: Cc: , Subject: RE: [nemo] RE: I-D ACTION:draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:30:31 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcPb5Nw1EJg3LOAUQru2GD2pIW63XQAAfMFw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <000201c3dbe4$537f8b80$ea2f024b@LocalHost> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nemo-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: nemo-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jung-Hoon, > If MR2 and MR3 arrive at foreign network almost simultaneously > and MR2 receives two RA message from the both MR1(age=6) and MR3(age=7) > before sending RA message, at this time, how can the MR2 determine MR1 with its parent MR? Only access routers can have the maximum age 7. When MR2 and MR3 enter into the network, the ages of MR are initially zero. And MR2 can receive two RAs from MR1(age=6) and MR3(age=0). So MR2(age=0) accepts the RA from MR1(age=6) and sets its age to 5. Regards, Hosik -----Original Message----- From: nemo-admin@ietf.org [mailto:nemo-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jung-Hoon Cheon Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 12:54 PM To: 'Hosik Cho' Cc: eun@mmlab.snu.ac.kr; nemo@ietf.org Subject: RE: [nemo] RE: I-D ACTION:draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt Hi. Hosik and all, If MR2 and MR3 arrive at foreign network almost simultaneously and MR2 receives two RA message from the both MR1(age=6) and MR3(age=7) before sending RA message, at this time, how can the MR2 determine MR1 with its parent MR? AR | MR1 | MR2 | MR3 As my understanding, every MR update its position according to other MR's age, whenever receiving RA message. It's not easy to solve this problem. -----Original Message----- From: nemo-admin@ietf.org [mailto:nemo-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Hosik Cho Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 12:13 PM To: jhch@sait.samsung.co.kr Cc: eun@mmlab.snu.ac.kr; nemo@ietf.org Subject: [nemo] RE: I-D ACTION:draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt Hi Jung-Hoon, Thank you for your interest in our draft. > How can MR know its age? > I think that before comparing its age with other age, MR should know > its age. Every mobile router has the initial value of zero. Every access router has the initial value of the maximum age. (In our draft, the field size for AGE is three bits, so the maximum age is defined 7. But this value of maximum age may be extended later, if we need.) The age of each child MR is re-calculated when if receives a RA message from its parent MR. If the received age, i.e. the parent MR's age, is bigger than its age, the child MR re-assigns its age to (received age)-1. Regards, Hosik -----Original Message----- From: Jung-Hoon Cheon [mailto:jhch@sait.samsung.co.kr] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 10:49 AM To: nemo@ietf.org Cc: hscho@mmlab.snu.ac.kr; eun@mmlab.snu.ac.kr Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt Hi...Hosik and Eunkyung. your solution is very applicable for nested networks. if MRs know their correct age, MRs can manage a hierarchy within overall mobile network. The MR sends a RA message including its age. Also, knows its current position from received RA message. I have a question. How can MR know its age? I think that before comparing its age with other age, MR should know its age. Sincerely. Jung-Hoon -----Original Message----- From: owner-ietf-announce@ietf.org [mailto:owner-ietf-announce@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 6:10 AM To: IETF-Announce: Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Hierarchical Mobile Router Advertisement for nested mobile networks Author(s) : H. Cho Filename : draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2004-1-15 This document describes needs for hierarchical mobile router advertisement for nested mobile networks. When ingress and egress interfaces of a Mobile Router are both wireless, the MR cannot distinguish the Router Advertisement of the parent MR from the RA of the child MR. To maintain hierarchical information of wireless nested mobile networks, RA message needs to be extended to deliver additional information for hierarchy. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-cho-nemo-hmra-00.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. From nemo-admin@ietf.org Mon Jan 19 08:24:36 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA15724 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:24:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AiZNr-00011T-Dg; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:24:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AiYTJ-000746-Nf for nemo@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:25:37 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA14161 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:25:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AiYTE-0000u1-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:25:32 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AiYR0-0000kA-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:23:15 -0500 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.74.5]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AiYNa-0000WY-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:19:42 -0500 Received: from cisco.com (144.254.74.60) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 19 Jan 2004 13:19:30 +0100 Received: from xbe-lon-312.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ams-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i0JCIPYU015821 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:18:25 +0100 (MET) Received: from xbe-lon-313.cisco.com ([64.103.99.73]) by xbe-lon-312.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:18:45 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:18:43 -0000 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Make usages draft a WG DOC Thread-Index: AcPehZ0UPAO79hMfTxasqZEZQEZ/kw== From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2004 12:18:45.0156 (UTC) FILETIME=[623B8E40:01C3DE86] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [nemo] Make usages draft a WG DOC Sender: nemo-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: nemo-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi; During last meeting, we voted that the usages document should be a WG document but needed more work and maybe more content. An advice was voiced that since at the moment the draft is about the organization of the home network, it should be renamed (which it will be anyway as a WG doc).=20 So I'm posting this to ask you all to discuss areas where revisions and additions are needed. It's time to discuss this now if we want the modifications ready by IETF deadline. Ideas? Pascal From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Jan 19 08:33:36 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA16097 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:33:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AiZWd-0001oj-Te for nemo-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:33:07 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0JDX75P006985 for nemo-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:33:07 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AiZWd-0001oa-Pc for nemo-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:33:07 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA16054 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:33:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AiZWX-0004C2-00 for nemo-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:33:01 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AiZQz-0003xW-00 for nemo-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:27:19 -0500 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AiZP2-0003m3-00 for nemo-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:25:16 -0500 Received: from optimus22.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AiZOd-0007eX-PP for nemo-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:24:51 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AiZNr-00011T-Dg; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:24:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AiYTJ-000746-Nf for nemo@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:25:37 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA14161 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:25:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AiYTE-0000u1-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:25:32 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AiYR0-0000kA-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:23:15 -0500 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.74.5]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AiYNa-0000WY-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:19:42 -0500 Received: from cisco.com (144.254.74.60) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 19 Jan 2004 13:19:30 +0100 Received: from xbe-lon-312.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ams-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i0JCIPYU015821 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:18:25 +0100 (MET) Received: from xbe-lon-313.cisco.com ([64.103.99.73]) by xbe-lon-312.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:18:45 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:18:43 -0000 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Make usages draft a WG DOC Thread-Index: AcPehZ0UPAO79hMfTxasqZEZQEZ/kw== From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2004 12:18:45.0156 (UTC) FILETIME=[623B8E40:01C3DE86] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [nemo] Make usages draft a WG DOC Sender: nemo-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: nemo-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi; During last meeting, we voted that the usages document should be a WG document but needed more work and maybe more content. An advice was voiced that since at the moment the draft is about the organization of the home network, it should be renamed (which it will be anyway as a WG doc).=20 So I'm posting this to ask you all to discuss areas where revisions and additions are needed. It's time to discuss this now if we want the modifications ready by IETF deadline. Ideas? Pascal From nemo-admin@ietf.org Thu Jan 22 21:55:36 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA26038 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:55:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AjrTK-0008Hu-T8; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:55:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AjrSa-0008HO-4C for nemo@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:54:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA26000 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:54:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AjrSX-0006MK-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:54:13 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AjrRZ-0006KA-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:53:14 -0500 Received: from darkstar.iprg.nokia.com ([205.226.5.69]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AjrQd-0006H0-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:52:15 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (8.11.0/8.11.0-DARKSTAR) id i0N2pb925067; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:51:37 -0800 X-mProtect: <200401230251> Nokia Silicon Valley Messaging Protection Received: from UNKNOWN (205.226.30.3, claiming to be "iprg.nokia.com") by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com smtpdnMVacc; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:32:59 PST Message-ID: <40108A15.4080102@iprg.nokia.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:42:29 -0800 From: Vijay Devarapalli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" CC: nemo@ietf.org Subject: Re: [nemo] Make usages draft a WG DOC References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nemo-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: nemo-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi Pascal, > So I'm posting this to ask you all to discuss areas where revisions and > additions are needed. It's time to discuss this now if we want the > modifications ready by IETF deadline. Ideas? I would like to see the draft quite restrictive in scope. it should talk about the different ways in which a home link can be configured to support mobile routers. the home link configuration has an impact on the mobile router behavior (for example, the returning home procedure is different for each case). Vijay From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Jan 22 21:56:47 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA26074 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:56:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AjrUY-0008Nf-5j for nemo-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:56:20 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0N2uI4r032209 for nemo-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:56:18 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AjrUY-0008NQ-0V for nemo-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:56:18 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA26069 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:56:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AjrUV-0006P3-00 for nemo-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:56:15 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AjrTY-0006OF-00 for nemo-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:55:17 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AjrTP-0006NT-00 for nemo-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:55:07 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AjrTK-0008Hu-T8; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:55:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AjrSa-0008HO-4C for nemo@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:54:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA26000 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:54:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AjrSX-0006MK-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:54:13 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AjrRZ-0006KA-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:53:14 -0500 Received: from darkstar.iprg.nokia.com ([205.226.5.69]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AjrQd-0006H0-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:52:15 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (8.11.0/8.11.0-DARKSTAR) id i0N2pb925067; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:51:37 -0800 X-mProtect: <200401230251> Nokia Silicon Valley Messaging Protection Received: from UNKNOWN (205.226.30.3, claiming to be "iprg.nokia.com") by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com smtpdnMVacc; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:32:59 PST Message-ID: <40108A15.4080102@iprg.nokia.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 18:42:29 -0800 From: Vijay Devarapalli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" CC: nemo@ietf.org Subject: Re: [nemo] Make usages draft a WG DOC References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nemo-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: nemo-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi Pascal, > So I'm posting this to ask you all to discuss areas where revisions and > additions are needed. It's time to discuss this now if we want the > modifications ready by IETF deadline. Ideas? I would like to see the draft quite restrictive in scope. it should talk about the different ways in which a home link can be configured to support mobile routers. the home link configuration has an impact on the mobile router behavior (for example, the returning home procedure is different for each case). Vijay From nemo-admin@ietf.org Tue Jan 27 19:06:53 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA02224 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:06:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AldCE-0007wu-1j; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:04:42 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AlAt7-0005f5-0l for nemo@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:51:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA14256 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:51:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AlAt5-00032L-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:51:03 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AlAs8-0002z4-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:50:05 -0500 Received: from postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu ([132.236.56.38]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AlArJ-0002wk-00 for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:49:14 -0500 Received: from Panacea_2.cornell.edu (dhcp-128-84-210-142-r3a-desktop.ece.cornell.edu [128.84.210.142]) by postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i0QHnCj9002947; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:49:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20040126124541.027bade0@postoffice7.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: pp59@postoffice7.mail.cornell.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:49:08 -0500 To: nemo@ietf.org From: Panos Papadimitratos Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, LINES_OF_YELLING,LINES_OF_YELLING_2 autolearn=no version=2.60 Subject: [nemo] CfP: 1st European Workshop on Security in Ad-Hoc and Sensor Networks (ESAS 2004) Sender: nemo-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: nemo-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , CALL FOR PAPERS 1st European Workshop on Security in Ad-Hoc and Sensor Networks (ESAS 2004) 5-6 August, 2004 EURESCOM, Heidelberg, Germany http://www.netlab.nec.de/esas/esas2004.html Technically co-sponsored by COMSOC Germany Chapter ------------------------------------------------------------------------ GENERAL INFORMATION With more and more devices getting smart and interconnected, ad hoc and sensor networks will open up a realm of new communication and data exchange opportunities. These upcoming networks are characterized by their dynamic structure, lack of a pre-established fixed infrastructure, and constrained resources. In order to allow their successful deployment, various security challenges must be met. Examples include missing `a priori' security associations, no clear line of defense, the lack of a trusted infrastructure, complex multiple domain relationships, as well as bandwidth, computing, memory and energy constraints. Due to the pervasive nature of applications relying on ad-hoc and sensor networks effective provisions for robust security solutions in a reliable and power efficient way must be taken. This workshop seeks submissions presenting novel research on all aspects of security and cryptography for ad-hoc and sensor networks. ESAS 2004 will be a workshop where the cryptography, security and wireless networking communities meet. Submission of papers based on work-in-progress is encouraged. The topics include but are not limited to: * Cryptographic protocols * Trust establishment, negotiation, and management * Security in constrained environments * Cooperation and fairness based protocols * Key management * Scalability evaluation of secure and reliable protocols * Secure routing * Secure hardware modules * Implementations of secure protocols * Deployment of secure protocols * Privacy and anonymity * Secure MAC protocols INSTRUCTIONS FOR AUTHORS Authors are invited to submit original papers. The preferred submission form is by electronic mail to Claude.Castelluccia@inrialpes.fr. The submissions must not exceed 10 pages (excluding the title page, bibliography and appendices) nor 12 pages overall. The final version should not exceed 15 pages. Please submit the paper in Postscript or PDF, together with an extra file containing the email and physical address of the authors, an indication of the corresponding author and a copy of the title, key words and abstract. We recommend that you generate the PS or PDF file using LaTeX and the LNCS style available at www.springer.de/comp/lncs. All submissions will be refereed. Submissions must not substantially duplicate work that any of the authors have published elsewhere or have submitted in parallel. The workshop will also include a poster and demonstrator session. Submissions will include a 2-page summary as well as a rough draft of the poster. IMPORTANT DATES Submission Deadline: 15th March, 2004 Acceptance Notifications: 30th April, 2004 Final Version due: 1st June, 2004 Workshop: 5th-6th August, 2004 Proceedings Version Deadline: 6th September, 2004 MAILING LIST If you want to receive subsequent Call for Papers and registration information, please send a brief mail to majordomo@netlab.nec.de and in the mail body write "subscribe esasworkshop". REGISTRATION Registration is available now! (http://www.eurescom.de/Public/Events/2004/ESAS_2004/esas_2004_registration.asp) All sessions will be held at EURESCOM (http://www.eurescom.de). WORKSHOP ORGANIZERS Claude Castelluccia, INRIA, France (Claude.Castelluccia@inrialpes.fr) Hannes Hartenstein, University of Karlsruhe, Germany (hannes.hartenstein@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) Christof Paar, University of Bochum, Germany (cpaar@crypto-ruhr-uni-bochum.de) Dirk Westhoff, NEC Network Labs Heidelberg, Germany (dirk.westhoff@netlab.nec.de) PROGRAM COMMITTEE N. Asokan, Nokia, Finland Levente Buttyan, BME-HIT, Hungary Sonja Buchegger, EPFL, Switzerland Claude Castelluccia, INRIA, France Claudia Eckert, TU Darmstadt, Germany Hannes Hartenstein, University of Karlsruhe, Germany Stefan Lucks, University of Mannheim, Germany Refik Molva, Eurecom, France Gabriel Montenegro, SunLabs, France Pekka Nikander, Ericsson, Finland Christof Paar, University of Bochum, Germany Panagiotis Papadimitratos, Cornell University, USA Frank Stajano, University of Cambridge, UK Gene Tsudik, UC Irvine, USA Andre Weimerskirch, University of Bochum, Germany Nathalie Weiler, ETH Zuerich, Switzerland Dirk Westhoff, NEC Europe Ltd., Germany Susanne Wetzel, Stevens Institute of Technology, USA Manel Guerrero Zapata, University Pompeu Fabra, Barcelona, Spain WORKSHOP PROCEEDINGS The Proceedings will be published by Springer after the Workshop in the Lecture Notes in Computer Science (LNCS) Series (www.springer.de/comp/lncs). Notice that in order to be included in the proceedings, the authors of an accepted paper must guarantee to present their contribution at the workshop. FURTHER WORKSHOP INFORMATION Dirk Westhoff NEC Europe Ltd. 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These upcoming networks are characterized by their dynamic structure, lack of a pre-established fixed infrastructure, and constrained resources. In order to allow their successful deployment, various security challenges must be met. Examples include missing `a priori' security associations, no clear line of defense, the lack of a trusted infrastructure, complex multiple domain relationships, as well as bandwidth, computing, memory and energy constraints. Due to the pervasive nature of applications relying on ad-hoc and sensor networks effective provisions for robust security solutions in a reliable and power efficient way must be taken. This workshop seeks submissions presenting novel research on all aspects of security and cryptography for ad-hoc and sensor networks. ESAS 2004 will be a workshop where the cryptography, security and wireless networking communities meet. Submission of papers based on work-in-progress is encouraged. The topics include but are not limited to: * Cryptographic protocols * Trust establishment, negotiation, and management * Security in constrained environments * Cooperation and fairness based protocols * Key management * Scalability evaluation of secure and reliable protocols * Secure routing * Secure hardware modules * Implementations of secure protocols * Deployment of secure protocols * Privacy and anonymity * Secure MAC protocols INSTRUCTIONS FOR AUTHORS Authors are invited to submit original papers. The preferred submission form is by electronic mail to Claude.Castelluccia@inrialpes.fr. The submissions must not exceed 10 pages (excluding the title page, bibliography and appendices) nor 12 pages overall. The final version should not exceed 15 pages. Please submit the paper in Postscript or PDF, together with an extra file containing the email and physical address of the authors, an indication of the corresponding author and a copy of the title, key words and abstract. We recommend that you generate the PS or PDF file using LaTeX and the LNCS style available at www.springer.de/comp/lncs. All submissions will be refereed. Submissions must not substantially duplicate work that any of the authors have published elsewhere or have submitted in parallel. The workshop will also include a poster and demonstrator session. Submissions will include a 2-page summary as well as a rough draft of the poster. IMPORTANT DATES Submission Deadline: 15th March, 2004 Acceptance Notifications: 30th April, 2004 Final Version due: 1st June, 2004 Workshop: 5th-6th August, 2004 Proceedings Version Deadline: 6th September, 2004 MAILING LIST If you want to receive subsequent Call for Papers and registration information, please send a brief mail to majordomo@netlab.nec.de and in the mail body write "subscribe esasworkshop". REGISTRATION Registration is available now! (http://www.eurescom.de/Public/Events/2004/ESAS_2004/esas_2004_registration.asp) All sessions will be held at EURESCOM (http://www.eurescom.de). WORKSHOP ORGANIZERS Claude Castelluccia, INRIA, France (Claude.Castelluccia@inrialpes.fr) Hannes Hartenstein, University of Karlsruhe, Germany (hannes.hartenstein@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) Christof Paar, University of Bochum, Germany (cpaar@crypto-ruhr-uni-bochum.de) Dirk Westhoff, NEC Network Labs Heidelberg, Germany (dirk.westhoff@netlab.nec.de) PROGRAM COMMITTEE N. Asokan, Nokia, Finland Levente Buttyan, BME-HIT, Hungary Sonja Buchegger, EPFL, Switzerland Claude Castelluccia, INRIA, France Claudia Eckert, TU Darmstadt, Germany Hannes Hartenstein, University of Karlsruhe, Germany Stefan Lucks, University of Mannheim, Germany Refik Molva, Eurecom, France Gabriel Montenegro, SunLabs, France Pekka Nikander, Ericsson, Finland Christof Paar, University of Bochum, Germany Panagiotis Papadimitratos, Cornell University, USA Frank Stajano, University of Cambridge, UK Gene Tsudik, UC Irvine, USA Andre Weimerskirch, University of Bochum, Germany Nathalie Weiler, ETH Zuerich, Switzerland Dirk Westhoff, NEC Europe Ltd., Germany Susanne Wetzel, Stevens Institute of Technology, USA Manel Guerrero Zapata, University Pompeu Fabra, Barcelona, Spain WORKSHOP PROCEEDINGS The Proceedings will be published by Springer after the Workshop in the Lecture Notes in Computer Science (LNCS) Series (www.springer.de/comp/lncs). Notice that in order to be included in the proceedings, the authors of an accepted paper must guarantee to present their contribution at the workshop. FURTHER WORKSHOP INFORMATION Dirk Westhoff NEC Europe Ltd. Kurfuersten-Anlage 36 D-69115 Heidelberg Germany Phone: +49/(0)6221/90511-49 Fax: +49/(0)6221/90511-55 Email: dirk.westhoff@netlab.nec.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Technically co-sponsored by IEEE Communications Society, Germany Chapter (http://it.e-technik.uni-ulm.de/comsoc/), Supported by Inria (http://www.inria.fr/), Supported by Cosy Group (http://www.crypto.rub.de/Seminare/Krypt/Krypto_engwise0203.html), Supported by DSN Group (cid:part6.00090903.08050200@ccrle.nec.de), Supported by NL-E (http://www.ccrle.nec.de/), Proceedings published as Springer LNCS (http://www.springerlink.com/app/home/main.asp?wasp=1b22a8h1021trge130e) ------------------------------------------------------------------------