From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Sat Jul 3 09:19:13 2004 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA00190 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 09:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1Bgk7O-000Koe-IS for netconf-data@psg.com; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 12:59:46 +0000 Received: from [130.59.4.87] (helo=diotima.switch.ch) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1Bgk7M-000KoK-TT for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Sat, 03 Jul 2004 12:59:45 +0000 Received: from diotima.switch.ch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by diotima.switch.ch (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i63Cxhtb015277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-DSS-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:59:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from leinen@localhost) by diotima.switch.ch (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i63Cxg7v015276; Sat, 3 Jul 2004 14:59:42 +0200 (CEST) To: netconf@ops.ietf.org Subject: Note to I-D authors/editors: cutoff dates; new I-D guidelines X-Face: 1Nk*r=:$IBBb8|TyRB'2WSY6u:BzMO7N)#id#-4_}MsU5?vTI?dez|JiutW4sKBLjp.l7, F 7QOld^hORRtpCUj)!cP]gtK_SyK5FW(+o"!or:v^C^]OxX^3+IPd\z,@ttmwYVO7l`6OXXYR` From: Simon Leinen Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 14:59:42 +0200 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3 (usg-unix-v) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Here are the cut-off dates for the upcoming 60th IETF meeting: Mon Jul 12, 0900 EDT: cutoff for initial (-00) I-D submissions Mon Jul 19, 0900 EDT: final cutoff for I-D submission In addition, please note that the I-D boilerplate was updated recently. In this context, the following recent announcement from the IESG is helpful: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The IESG has emitted new versions of the following guideline documents: "Guidelines to authors of Internet-Drafts" http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-guidelines.txt which has been updated to reflect the new IPR policy RFCs (3667 and 3668): Note that in this process, we discovered a bug in one of the RFCs; the document ontains a temporary fix, but the details of a permanent fix are still being worked out on the IPR WG list. "Checklist for Internet-Drafts submitted for RFC publication" http://www.ietf.org/ID-Checklist.html This has had a more thorough review/revision, and should be re-read by all participants. Note in particular the new language about IANA considerations. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- If you use the xml2rfc toolset from http://xml.resource.org/ , you basically have to upgrade to the most recent version of the tool, and use the right declarations to select the most suitable variant of boilerplate. Regards, -- Simon. -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Wed Jul 7 02:16:48 2004 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA11237 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 02:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1Bi5Vg-000DNn-Ag for netconf-data@psg.com; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 06:02:24 +0000 Received: from [164.164.31.5] (helo=wiproecmx1.wipro.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1Bi5VX-000DMR-Na for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 06:02:23 +0000 Received: from ec-vwall-wd (ec-vwall-wd.wipro.com [10.200.52.125]) by wiproecmx1.wipro.com (8.12.9-20031013/8.12.9) with SMTP id i67627gd018705 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:32:07 +0530 (IST) Received: from blr-ec-bh3.wipro.com ([10.200.50.93]) by ec-vwall-wd with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Wed, 07 Jul 2004 11:32:07 +0530 Received: from blr-m2-msg.wipro.com ([10.116.50.99]) by blr-ec-bh3.wipro.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:32:00 +0530 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C463E7.EAF43482" Subject: capabilities exchange and pipelining issues Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:32:00 +0530 Message-ID: <184E80410B37F54F8FAFE5CF9AD757C4012ED36F@blr-m2-msg.wipro.com> Thread-Topic: capabilities exchange and pipelining issues Thread-Index: AcRj7M1xBkFCEBIhRMyysz57qdUrdg== From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2004 06:02:00.0600 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB178980:01C463E7] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C463E7.EAF43482 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, I have few queries regarding the capabilities exchange and pipeling.=20 =20 1. pipelining: =20 In the case of an Error will the following statement still hold good? =20 "NETCONF requests are processed serially by the managed device. Additional requests MAY be sent before previous =20 =20 ones have been completed. The managed device MUST send responses only in the order the requests were received." =20 To explain the above question please consider the following scenario- a. Request1 from Session1 is accepted and the processing is in progress. b. Request2 from Session1 is accepted and during validation (of say, protocol operation schema), an error occurs. The question is, will the error be notified/propagated to the Manager as soon as it occurs, or, should it be sent =20 =20 sequentially after response to Request1 is sent to Manager.=20 =20 2.Capabilities Exchange: =20 section 6.1 of ID:draft-ietf-netconf-prot-03 states: =20 "Capabilities are advertised in messages sent on the NETCONF channel when each peer starts operation. When the NETCONF channel is opened, each peer sends a element containing a list of that peer's capabilities". =20 It makes sense to me in advertising the capabilities of the Agent.But, what is the purpose of advertising manager =20 =20 capabilities. what the agent is going to do with the capabilities of the netconf manager. =20 3. Should a message containing the Authentication status(success/failure) be sent to the Manager? =20 To explain the above question please consider the following scenario- a. Manager1 connects to Agent passing the username and password. b. The Agent accepts the connection and authenticates the Manager w.r.t the Device(say using RADIUS) . =20 should the "Hello" message be sent to the other peer as soon as the connection request is successful or should it wait=20 =20 for the "Device" authentication(say Radius) and if successful then only send the "Hello" message.=20 =20 =20 Thanks & Regards, V.Sarma =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C463E7.EAF43482 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hi=20 All,
      I have few = queries=20 regarding the capabilities exchange and pipeling.
 
1.=20 pipelining:
 
 In the case of=20 an Error will the following statement still hold = good?
 
"NETCONF <rpc>=20 requests are processed serially by the managed device. Additional = <rpc>=20 requests MAY be sent before previous 
 
ones = have been=20 completed. The managed device MUST send responses only in the order the = requests=20 were received."
 
To = explain the above=20 question please consider the following scenario-
a. Request1 from = Session1 is=20 accepted and the processing is in progress.
b. Request2 from Session1 = is=20 accepted and during validation (of say, protocol operation schema), an = error=20 occurs.
The question is, will the error be notified/propagated to the = Manager=20 as soon as it occurs, or, should it be sent 
 
sequentially after=20 response to Request1 is sent to Manager.
 
2.Capabilities=20 Exchange:
 
   section=20 6.1 of ID:draft-ietf-netconf-prot-03 states:
 
  =20 "Capabilities are advertised in messages sent on the NETCONF=20 channel
   when each peer starts operation.  When the = NETCONF=20 channel is opened,
   each peer sends a <hello> = element=20 containing a list of that peer's
   = capabilities".
  =20
   It makes sense to me in advertising the capabilities of = the=20 Agent.But, what is the purpose of advertising manager  =
 
capabilities. what=20 the agent is going to do with the capabilities of the netconf=20 manager.
 
3. = Should a message=20 containing the Authentication status(success/failure) be sent to the=20 Manager?
 
To = explain the above=20 question please consider the following scenario-
a. Manager1 connects = to=20 Agent passing the username and password.
b. The Agent accepts the = connection=20 and authenticates the Manager w.r.t the Device(say using  RADIUS)=20 .
 
     should the "Hello" = message be=20 sent to the other peer as soon as the connection request is successful = or should=20 it wait
 
for = the "Device"=20 authentication(say Radius) and if successful then only send the "Hello" = message.=20
 
       &nbs= p;
Thanks = &=20 Regards,
V.Sarma
 
 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C463E7.EAF43482-- -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Thu Jul 8 17:38:30 2004 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA03486 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 17:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BigQg-0002l0-Bd for netconf-data@psg.com; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 21:27:42 +0000 Received: from [207.17.137.105] (helo=juniper.net) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BigQf-0002kl-EF for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 21:27:41 +0000 Received: from ([172.24.18.109]) by jaffa.juniper.net with ESMTP ; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 14:27:05 -0700 Received: from photon.jnpr.net ([172.24.18.198]) by beta.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Thu, 8 Jul 2004 14:27:04 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: capabilities exchange and pipelining issues Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 14:27:02 -0700 Message-ID: <062B922B6EC55149B5A267ECE78E5D4405BADA67@photon.jnpr.net> Thread-Topic: capabilities exchange and pipelining issues thread-index: AcRj7M1xBkFCEBIhRMyysz57qdUrdgBQgvBQ From: "Rob Enns" To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2004 21:27:04.0927 (UTC) FILETIME=[50A976F0:01C46532] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comments below... (look for rpe>) _______________________________ From: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org [mailto:owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of vedula.sarma@wipro.com Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 11:02 PM To: netconf@ops.ietf.org Subject: capabilities exchange and pipelining issues =09 =09 Hi All, I have few queries regarding the capabilities exchange and pipeling.=20 =20 1. pipelining: =20 In the case of an Error will the following statement still hold good? =20 "NETCONF requests are processed serially by the managed device. Additional requests MAY be sent before previous =20 =20 ones have been completed. The managed device MUST send responses only in the order the requests were received." =20 To explain the above question please consider the following scenario- a. Request1 from Session1 is accepted and the processing is in progress. b. Request2 from Session1 is accepted and during validation (of say, protocol operation schema), an error occurs. The question is, will the error be notified/propagated to the Manager as soon as it occurs, or, should it be sent =20 =20 sequentially after response to Request1 is sent to Manager.=20 rpe> rpe> The intent of the spec is that the response would be sent sequentially. rpe> 2.Capabilities Exchange: =20 section 6.1 of ID:draft-ietf-netconf-prot-03 states: =20 "Capabilities are advertised in messages sent on the NETCONF channel when each peer starts operation. When the NETCONF channel is opened, each peer sends a element containing a list of that peer's capabilities". =20 It makes sense to me in advertising the capabilities of the Agent.But, what is the purpose of advertising manager =20 =20 capabilities. what the agent is going to do with the capabilities of the netconf manager. rpe> The original plan was to exchange rpe> capabilities simultaneously and have both the manager and rpe> agent honor the resulting contract--including possibly modifying rpe> their behavior to match the capabilities advertised by their peer. rpe> However I believe we've dropped this concept because none of the rpe> capabilties in the spec today would need to be sent by the rpe> manager (the substrate has to indicate which peer acts in rpe> the manager or agent role). So we can dispense with manager rpe> capabilities. Any comments on this? 3. Should a message containing the Authentication status(success/failure) be sent to the Manager? =20 To explain the above question please consider the following scenario- a. Manager1 connects to Agent passing the username and password. b. The Agent accepts the connection and authenticates the Manager w.r.t the Device(say using RADIUS) . =20 should the "Hello" message be sent to the other peer as soon as the connection request is successful or should it wait=20 =20 for the "Device" authentication(say Radius) and if successful then only send the "Hello" message.=20 rpe> The agent should wait for successful authentication before rpe> starting the NETCONF protocol. Authentication success/failure indication rpe> is part of the substrate and is addressed in those drafts. =20 =20 Thanks & Regards, V.Sarma =20 -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Thu Jul 8 17:55:28 2004 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA04732 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 17:55:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1Bigjj-0006OS-Un for netconf-data@psg.com; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 21:47:23 +0000 Received: from [66.127.127.227] (helo=wes.hardakers.net) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1Bigjj-0006O3-1T for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Jul 2004 21:47:23 +0000 Received: by wes.hardakers.net (Postfix, from userid 274) id DEEDC11EC03; Thu, 8 Jul 2004 14:47:18 -0700 (PDT) To: "Rob Enns" Cc: , Subject: Re: capabilities exchange and pipelining issues References: <062B922B6EC55149B5A267ECE78E5D4405BADA67@photon.jnpr.net> From: Wes Hardaker Organization: Sparta Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 14:47:18 -0700 In-Reply-To: <062B922B6EC55149B5A267ECE78E5D4405BADA67@photon.jnpr.net> (Rob Enns's message of "Thu, 8 Jul 2004 14:27:02 -0700") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) XEmacs/21.5 (chayote, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK,RCVD_IN_SORBS autolearn=no version=2.63 Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 14:27:02 -0700, "Rob Enns" said: rpe> So we can dispense with manager capabilities. Any comments on rpe> this? I predict some coming up in the future. If the ability to have agents send channel-specific event reports comes back, it would need a capability flag. Just because there is not need now doesn't mean you shouldn't create a placeholder for stuff that will likely be around in the future. -- "In the bathtub of history the truth is harder to hold than the soap, and much more difficult to find." -- Terry Pratchett -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Fri Jul 9 02:45:36 2004 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA06310 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 02:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BioxV-0001P3-IN for netconf-data@psg.com; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 06:34:09 +0000 Received: from [80.185.82.182] (helo=james.eecs.iu-bremen.de) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BioxU-0001Nz-9D for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 06:34:08 +0000 Received: by james.eecs.iu-bremen.de (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E434A8823; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 08:34:05 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 08:34:05 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Rob Enns Cc: vedula.sarma@wipro.com, netconf@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: capabilities exchange and pipelining issues Message-ID: <20040709063405.GA1866@iu-bremen.de> Reply-To: j.schoenwaelder@iu-bremen.de Mail-Followup-To: Rob Enns , vedula.sarma@wipro.com, netconf@ops.ietf.org References: <062B922B6EC55149B5A267ECE78E5D4405BADA67@photon.jnpr.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <062B922B6EC55149B5A267ECE78E5D4405BADA67@photon.jnpr.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040523i X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, Jul 08, 2004 at 02:27:02PM -0700, Rob Enns wrote: > rpe> The original plan was to exchange > rpe> capabilities simultaneously and have both the manager and > rpe> agent honor the resulting contract--including possibly modifying > rpe> their behavior to match the capabilities advertised by their peer. > rpe> However I believe we've dropped this concept because none of the > rpe> capabilties in the spec today would need to be sent by the > rpe> manager (the substrate has to indicate which peer acts in > rpe> the manager or agent role). So we can dispense with manager > rpe> capabilities. Any comments on this? Announcing manager capabilities does not hurt so I prefer to keep this feature even if it is not used in netconf 1.0. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder International University Bremen P.O. Box 750 561, 28725 Bremen, Germany -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Fri Jul 9 14:53:30 2004 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA19307 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 14:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1Bj0Js-0001oZ-9F for netconf-data@psg.com; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 18:42:00 +0000 Received: from [171.71.176.71] (helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1Bj0Ji-0001hX-VJ for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Jul 2004 18:41:51 +0000 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (171.71.177.238) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Jul 2004 11:41:16 -0700 Received: from mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com [171.71.163.17]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i69Ifkt1025760; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:41:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abierman-w2k01.cisco.com (sjc-vpn4-348.cisco.com [10.21.81.92]) by mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (MOS 3.4.5-GR) with ESMTP id AWX67769; Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040709112014.01d3df00@fedex.cisco.com> X-Sender: abierman@fedex.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 11:41:20 -0700 To: j.schoenwaelder@iu-bremen.de From: Andy Bierman Subject: Re: capabilities exchange and pipelining issues Cc: Rob Enns , vedula.sarma@wipro.com, netconf@ops.ietf.org In-Reply-To: <20040709063405.GA1866@iu-bremen.de> References: <062B922B6EC55149B5A267ECE78E5D4405BADA67@photon.jnpr.net> <062B922B6EC55149B5A267ECE78E5D4405BADA67@photon.jnpr.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk At 11:34 PM 7/8/2004, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: >On Thu, Jul 08, 2004 at 02:27:02PM -0700, Rob Enns wrote: > >> rpe> The original plan was to exchange >> rpe> capabilities simultaneously and have both the manager and >> rpe> agent honor the resulting contract--including possibly modifying >> rpe> their behavior to match the capabilities advertised by their peer. >> rpe> However I believe we've dropped this concept because none of the >> rpe> capabilties in the spec today would need to be sent by the >> rpe> manager (the substrate has to indicate which peer acts in >> rpe> the manager or agent role). So we can dispense with manager >> rpe> capabilities. Any comments on this? > >Announcing manager capabilities does not hurt so I prefer to keep >this feature even if it is not used in netconf 1.0. I agree. However, we need to make sure capability definitions are unambiguous wrt/ manager or agent roles. Since our v1.0 capabilities describe specific operational behavior, rather than general feature capabilities, we are okay in this regard. (E.g., #validate describes an operation accepted in a request. Only a NETCONF peer acting in the agent role accepts requests, so this capability doesn't apply to managers.) It is also important to note in the spec that the message sent by the manager MUST NOT be used by the agent to infer the intended usage or non-usage of certain operations. (We were going to using the (now defunct) #notification capability to allow the agents that dynamically load modular SW images to omit notification support if the manager didn't indicate a desire to use notifications in its message.) >/js Andy -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Mon Jul 12 03:42:14 2004 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA21003 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 03:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BjvGg-0006fx-Oi for netconf-data@psg.com; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 07:30:30 +0000 Received: from [61.215.192.134] (helo=home.ambisys.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BjvGf-0006fX-Cg for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 07:30:29 +0000 Received: from pop by home.ambisys.com with scan (Ambisys 4.10) id 1BjvGd-0000Jn-00 for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:30:27 +0900 Received: from lan.shiroyama.ambisys.com ([61.215.192.129] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by home.ambisys.com with esmtp (Ambisys 4.10) id 1BjvGd-0000Ji-00 for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:30:27 +0900 Message-ID: <40F23DE0.7070306@ambisys.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:29:36 +0900 From: Lewis Denizen Organization: VarioSecure Networks User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.2 (Windows/20040707) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Netconf Subject: abstract=true Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanner: VarioSecure SMTP 0.0-26: OK X-Ambisys-VC: 1225@f6d5d6d50f06485a6762335349c5ad44 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Looking through the new Netconf XML Schema, I saw a lot of reference to the abstract="true" attribute for elements. Is this a W3C approved attribute, or is it more of a "customized" attribute? I didn't see W3C mentioning about an abstract attribute... Also, a lot of standards-conforming libraries seem to have trouble understanding the "abstract" attribute. Any reason why the model changed from Draft2? Thanks in advance! Lewis -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Mon Jul 12 14:16:19 2004 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA28499 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:16:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1Bk5B5-000Pif-Tp for netconf-data@psg.com; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:05:23 +0000 Received: from [207.17.137.105] (helo=juniper.net) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1Bk5B4-000PiN-T9 for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:05:23 +0000 Received: from ([172.24.18.126]) by jaffa.juniper.net with ESMTP ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:04:29 -0700 Received: from photon.jnpr.net ([172.24.18.198]) by alpha.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:04:29 -0700 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: abstract=true X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:04:28 -0700 Message-ID: <062B922B6EC55149B5A267ECE78E5D4405BADB68@photon.jnpr.net> Thread-Topic: abstract=true Thread-Index: AcRn4r7DmknUzRMdQ8SlGQdHZwuPRQAVt82g From: "Rob Enns" To: "Lewis Denizen" , "Netconf" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2004 18:04:29.0792 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD4A0E00:01C4683A] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,=20 The abstract=3D"true" attribute indicates that the type is an abstract type and can't be instantiated directly. It's a standard XSD attribute and it's been in the NETCONF XSD since the -00 draft. What are changes in the schema that you're concerned about? The only changes made in -03 were to update the schema to match changes in the protocol itself (modulo bugs of course :-)).=20 One bug I've found in the -03 XSD is that the error-info element's type should be "xs:anyType" rather than "xs:any". Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org=20 > [mailto:owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lewis Denizen > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 12:30 AM > To: Netconf > Subject: abstract=3Dtrue >=20 > Hi all, >=20 > Looking through the new Netconf XML Schema, I saw a lot of=20 > reference to=20 > the abstract=3D"true" attribute for elements. Is this a W3C approved=20 > attribute, or is it more of a "customized" attribute? I=20 > didn't see W3C=20 > mentioning about an abstract attribute... Also, a lot of=20 > standards-conforming libraries seem to have trouble understanding the=20 > "abstract" attribute. Any reason why the model changed from Draft2?=20 > Thanks in advance! >=20 > Lewis >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with > the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. > archive: >=20 >=20 -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Mon Jul 12 21:45:08 2004 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA11755 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BkCAe-000JUP-66 for netconf-data@psg.com; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:33:24 +0000 Received: from [171.71.176.72] (helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BkCAc-000JTp-US for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:33:23 +0000 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (171.71.177.238) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Jul 2004 18:25:28 +0000 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from mira-sjc5-b.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mira-sjc5-b.cisco.com [171.71.163.14]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i6D1Nwt1018050; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sberl-w2k.cisco.com (sjc-vpn1-239.cisco.com [10.21.96.239]) by mira-sjc5-b.cisco.com (MOS 3.4.5-GR) with ESMTP id AVH14539; Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040712182141.0326c600@mira-sjcm-1.cisco.com> X-Sender: sberl@mira-sjcm-1.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:24:14 -0700 To: "Rob Enns" , "Lewis Denizen" , "Netconf" From: Steve Berl Subject: RE: abstract=true In-Reply-To: <062B922B6EC55149B5A267ECE78E5D4405BADB68@photon.jnpr.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk I've just had my first look at the XSD and I don't see the "operation" attributes and their allowed values anywhere. Am I missing something? -steve At 11:04 AM 7/12/2004, Rob Enns wrote: >Hi, > >The abstract="true" attribute indicates that the type is >an abstract type and can't be instantiated directly. It's >a standard XSD attribute and it's been in the NETCONF XSD >since the -00 draft. What are changes in the schema >that you're concerned about? The only changes made in -03 >were to update the schema to match changes in the protocol >itself (modulo bugs of course :-)). > >One bug I've found in the -03 XSD is that the error-info >element's type should be "xs:anyType" rather than "xs:any". > >Rob > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org >> [mailto:owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lewis Denizen >> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 12:30 AM >> To: Netconf >> Subject: abstract=true >> >> Hi all, >> >> Looking through the new Netconf XML Schema, I saw a lot of >> reference to >> the abstract="true" attribute for elements. Is this a W3C approved >> attribute, or is it more of a "customized" attribute? I >> didn't see W3C >> mentioning about an abstract attribute... Also, a lot of >> standards-conforming libraries seem to have trouble understanding the >> "abstract" attribute. Any reason why the model changed from Draft2? >> Thanks in advance! >> >> Lewis >> >> >> >> -- >> to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with >> the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. >> archive: >> >> > >-- >to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with >the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. >archive: -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Tue Jul 13 00:11:28 2004 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA21965 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 00:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BkEWm-000D8O-A5 for netconf-data@psg.com; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:04:24 +0000 Received: from [164.164.31.6] (helo=wiproecmx2.wipro.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BkEWd-000D5A-E9 for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:04:20 +0000 Received: from ec-vwall-wd (ec-vwall-wd.wipro.com [10.200.52.125]) by wiproecmx2.wipro.com (8.12.9-20031013/8.12.9) with SMTP id i6D44Au1027409 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:34:10 +0530 (IST) Received: from blr-ec-bh1.wipro.com ([10.200.50.91]) by ec-vwall-wd with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:34:10 +0530 Received: from blr-m2-msg.wipro.com ([10.116.50.99]) by blr-ec-bh1.wipro.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:34:09 +0530 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Exiting the NETCONF subsystem Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:34:09 +0530 Message-ID: <184E80410B37F54F8FAFE5CF9AD757C401341122@blr-m2-msg.wipro.com> Thread-Topic: Exiting the NETCONF subsystem Thread-Index: AcRSMMV09DqCH3XjQv62/Rov3TifUwADkV5gBErEQbAABs3ZwAXPHeVQ From: To: Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2004 04:04:09.0892 (UTC) FILETIME=[73199E40:01C4688E] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, I have one query regarding "Exiting the NETCONF Subsystem". 1. Exiting the NETCONF Subsystem section4 of draft-ietf-netconf-ssh-01.txt states "Exiting NETCONF is accomplished using the operation. When a command is issued by the manager, the agent shall respond, terminate the SSH session, and close the TCP connection." The question is whether the manager has to issue command or command for exiting the NETCONF subsystem. Thanks & Regards, V.Sarma -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Tue Jul 13 02:42:03 2004 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA15431 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 02:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BkGou-00057Y-5z for netconf-data@psg.com; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 06:31:16 +0000 Received: from [61.215.192.134] (helo=home.ambisys.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BkGoq-000572-TF for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 06:31:13 +0000 Received: from pop by home.ambisys.com with scan (Ambisys 4.10) id 1BkGop-0007dP-00; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:31:11 +0900 Received: from lan.shiroyama.ambisys.com ([61.215.192.129] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by home.ambisys.com with esmtp (Ambisys 4.10) id 1BkGop-0007dK-00; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:31:11 +0900 Message-ID: <40F3817B.1060504@ambisys.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:30:19 +0900 From: Lewis Denizen Organization: VarioSecure Networks User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.2 (Windows/20040707) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Enns , Netconf Subject: Re: abstract=true References: <062B922B6EC55149B5A267ECE78E5D4405BADB68@photon.jnpr.net> <40F33F13.2050106@ambisys.com> <20040713033920.GA54744@tremolo.juniper.net> In-Reply-To: <20040713033920.GA54744@tremolo.juniper.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanner: VarioSecure SMTP 0.0-26: OK X-Ambisys-VC: 29349@ab53fe5061a907cf82660407760ac5ae X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Sorry for being buggy - just one last question... The line that starts with: which is embedded within "rpc-replyType" (roughly around line 70 when pretty-printed) doesn't reference to an element inside the Netconf schema. Was this "data" element created to allow future expansion on RPC replies? Or, is this just a small mistake in the XML schema? Thanks again :) Lewis Rob Enns wrote: > No problems, I had to look it up myself to be sure! :-) > FWIW I've been using XMLSpy under windows to double check > correctness of the XSD. > > Rob > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 10:46:59AM +0900, Lewis Denizen wrote: > >>Hi, >> >>Oops sorry, I guess I missed that in the previous drafts. It does seem >>to be there... I'm probably going to have to switch parsers/validators >>to see which work best. Thanks for correcting me :) >> >>Lewis >> >>Rob Enns wrote: >> >>>Hi, >>> >>>The abstract="true" attribute indicates that the type is >>>an abstract type and can't be instantiated directly. It's >>>a standard XSD attribute and it's been in the NETCONF XSD >>>since the -00 draft. What are changes in the schema >>>that you're concerned about? The only changes made in -03 >>>were to update the schema to match changes in the protocol >>>itself (modulo bugs of course :-)). >>> >>>One bug I've found in the -03 XSD is that the error-info >>>element's type should be "xs:anyType" rather than "xs:any". >>> >>>Rob >>> >>> >>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org >>>>[mailto:owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lewis Denizen >>>>Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 12:30 AM >>>>To: Netconf >>>>Subject: abstract=true >>>> >>>>Hi all, >>>> >>>>Looking through the new Netconf XML Schema, I saw a lot of >>>>reference to >>>>the abstract="true" attribute for elements. Is this a W3C approved >>>>attribute, or is it more of a "customized" attribute? I >>>>didn't see W3C >>>>mentioning about an abstract attribute... Also, a lot of >>>>standards-conforming libraries seem to have trouble understanding the >>>>"abstract" attribute. Any reason why the model changed from Draft2? >>>>Thanks in advance! >>>> >>>>Lewis >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with >>>>the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. >>>>archive: >>>> >>>> >>>-- >>>to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with >>>the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. >>>archive: >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Tue Jul 13 04:34:49 2004 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA21563 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BkIdI-000KB0-Ti for netconf-data@psg.com; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:27:24 +0000 Received: from [61.215.192.134] (helo=home.ambisys.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BkIdH-000KAa-7t for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:27:23 +0000 Received: from pop by home.ambisys.com with scan (Ambisys 4.10) id 1BkIdG-0001W6-00 for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:27:22 +0900 Received: from lan.shiroyama.ambisys.com ([61.215.192.129] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by home.ambisys.com with esmtp (Ambisys 4.10) id 1BkIdF-0001W1-00 for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:27:21 +0900 Message-ID: <40F39CB6.8020605@ambisys.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 17:26:30 +0900 From: Lewis Denizen Organization: VarioSecure Networks User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.2 (Windows/20040707) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Netconf Subject: Re: abstract=true References: <062B922B6EC55149B5A267ECE78E5D4405BADB68@photon.jnpr.net> <40F33F13.2050106@ambisys.com> <20040713033920.GA54744@tremolo.juniper.net> <40F3817B.1060504@ambisys.com> In-Reply-To: <40F3817B.1060504@ambisys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanner: VarioSecure SMTP 0.0-26: OK X-Ambisys-VC: 5832@b90b2358929458d75d46cec22db97acf X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry, I should've read the document more carefully... I'm guessing now that "data" refers to the return reply from a . This brings up another question, though - should the schema for NETCONF state be used in place of "data?" The schema for NETCONF state doesn't seem to fit the NETCONF schema model too well. According to the examples, it seems like the NETCONF schema would want to fit something like: NETCONF state schema looks like it describes some parts of the reply for a request, but I'm not too sure if this is something that should be sent back everytime a request is answered (the element). Is the NETCONF state schema something "to be completed" in the future, or is it something that should be implemented as part of a NETCONF message? Lewis Lewis Denizen wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry for being buggy - just one last question... The line that starts > with: > > which is embedded within "rpc-replyType" (roughly around line 70 when > pretty-printed) doesn't reference to an element inside the Netconf > schema. Was this "data" element created to allow future expansion on > RPC replies? Or, is this just a small mistake in the XML schema? Thanks > again :) > > Lewis > > > Rob Enns wrote: > >> No problems, I had to look it up myself to be sure! :-) >> FWIW I've been using XMLSpy under windows to double check >> correctness of the XSD. >> >> Rob >> >> On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 10:46:59AM +0900, Lewis Denizen wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Oops sorry, I guess I missed that in the previous drafts. It does >>> seem to be there... I'm probably going to have to switch >>> parsers/validators to see which work best. Thanks for correcting me :) >>> >>> Lewis >>> >>> Rob Enns wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> The abstract="true" attribute indicates that the type is >>>> an abstract type and can't be instantiated directly. It's >>>> a standard XSD attribute and it's been in the NETCONF XSD >>>> since the -00 draft. What are changes in the schema >>>> that you're concerned about? The only changes made in -03 >>>> were to update the schema to match changes in the protocol >>>> itself (modulo bugs of course :-)). >>>> One bug I've found in the -03 XSD is that the error-info >>>> element's type should be "xs:anyType" rather than "xs:any". >>>> >>>> Rob >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org >>>>> [mailto:owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lewis Denizen >>>>> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 12:30 AM >>>>> To: Netconf >>>>> Subject: abstract=true >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> Looking through the new Netconf XML Schema, I saw a lot of >>>>> reference to the abstract="true" attribute for elements. Is this a >>>>> W3C approved attribute, or is it more of a "customized" attribute? >>>>> I didn't see W3C mentioning about an abstract attribute... Also, a >>>>> lot of standards-conforming libraries seem to have trouble >>>>> understanding the "abstract" attribute. Any reason why the model >>>>> changed from Draft2? Thanks in advance! >>>>> >>>>> Lewis >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with >>>>> the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. >>>>> archive: >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with >>>> the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. >>>> archive: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > -- > to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with > the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. > archive: > > > -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Tue Jul 13 05:08:51 2004 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA22894 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BkJ9o-000P3K-Oq for netconf-data@psg.com; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:01:00 +0000 Received: from [164.164.31.6] (helo=wiproecmx2.wipro.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BkJ9m-000P2L-BU for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:01:00 +0000 Received: from ec-vwall-wd (ec-vwall-wd.wipro.com [10.200.52.125]) by wiproecmx2.wipro.com (8.12.9-20031013/8.12.9) with SMTP id i6D90ou1011047 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:30:50 +0530 (IST) Received: from blr-ec-bh2.wipro.com ([10.200.50.92]) by ec-vwall-wd with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:30:50 +0530 Received: from blr-m2-msg.wipro.com ([10.116.50.99]) by blr-ec-bh2.wipro.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:30:46 +0530 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C468B7.DFCB25DC" Subject: should operation attribute be a part of tag Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:30:41 +0530 Message-ID: <184E80410B37F54F8FAFE5CF9AD757C401341237@blr-m2-msg.wipro.com> Thread-Topic: should operation attribute be a part of tag Thread-Index: AcRMctD7KCOlCR5cSoWVChj19drv6Q== From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2004 09:00:46.0807 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2E35670:01C468B7] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C468B7.DFCB25DC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, =20 In the section 5.2 (edit-config operation) of ID:draft-ietf-netconf-prot-03, it is specified that: (a) The operation attribute appearing within the config subtree should have the same value.=20 (b) If it is not specified, the default the operation is merge. =20 In such case, shouldn't the operation attribute be a part of the config tag instead of the data payload? =20 Existing way: http://example.com/schema/1.2/config"=20 xmlns:xc=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:netconf:base:1.0"> Ethernet0/0 1500
1.2.3.4 255.0.0.0
=20 Proposed way: http://example.com/schema/1.2/config"=20 xmlns:xc=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:netconf:base:1.0"=20 xc:operation=3D"replace"> Ethernet0/0 1500
1.2.3.4 255.0.0.0
Thanks & Regards, V.Sarma ------_=_NextPart_001_01C468B7.DFCB25DC Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hi=20 All,
       
In the section 5.2 (edit-config = operation) of=20 ID:draft-ietf-netconf-prot-03, it is specified that:
(a) The = operation=20 attribute appearing within the config subtree should have the same = value.=20
(b) If it is not specified, the default the operation is = merge.
 

In such case, shouldn't the = operation attribute=20 be a part of the config tag instead of the data payload?
 
Existing way:
<config = xmlns=3D"http://example.com/schema/1.2/config"=20
       =20 xmlns:xc=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:netconf:base:1.0">
  &= nbsp; =20 <interface=20 xc:operation=3D"replace">
       = ;=20 <name>Ethernet0/0</name>
     &nb= sp; =20 <mtu>1500</mtu>
       = =20 <address>
         =  =20 <name>1.2.3.4</name>
      &= nbsp;   =20 <mask>255.0.0.0</mask>
      = ; =20 </address>
    =20 </interface>
</config>
 
Proposed way:
<config = xmlns=3D"http://example.com/schema/1.2/config"=20
       =20 xmlns:xc=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:netconf:base:1.0"=20
       =20 xc:operation=3D"replace">
    =20 <interface>
       =20 <name>Ethernet0/0</name>
     &nb= sp; =20 <mtu>1500</mtu>
       = =20 <address>
         =  =20 <name>1.2.3.4</name>
      &= nbsp;   =20 <mask>255.0.0.0</mask>
      = ; =20 </address>
    =20 </interface>
</config>
Thanks = &=20 Regards,
V.Sarma
------_=_NextPart_001_01C468B7.DFCB25DC-- -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Tue Jul 13 05:21:32 2004 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA24521 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 05:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BkJOf-0001HA-0F for netconf-data@psg.com; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:16:21 +0000 Received: from [164.164.31.6] (helo=wiproecmx2.wipro.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BkJOZ-0001GW-C3 for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:16:20 +0000 Received: from ec-vwall-wd (ec-vwall-wd.wipro.com [10.200.52.125]) by wiproecmx2.wipro.com (8.12.9-20031013/8.12.9) with SMTP id i6D9GAu1019968 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:46:11 +0530 (IST) Received: from blr-ec-bh2.wipro.com ([10.200.50.92]) by ec-vwall-wd with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:46:10 +0530 Received: from blr-m2-msg.wipro.com ([10.116.50.99]) by blr-ec-bh2.wipro.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:46:10 +0530 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C468BA.08C9DA87" Subject: test-option missing in validate capability Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 14:46:09 +0530 Message-ID: <184E80410B37F54F8FAFE5CF9AD757C401341246@blr-m2-msg.wipro.com> Thread-Topic: test-option missing in validate capability Thread-Index: AcRMdPoTDMv7fxIBRQCn7F2n7FLTjg== From: To: Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2004 09:16:10.0028 (UTC) FILETIME=[092BAEC0:01C468BA] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C468BA.08C9DA87 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rob, An editorial comment on ID:draft-ietf-netconf-prot-03 =20 Section 5.2 operation "test-option" parameter states "The test-option element may be specified only if the device advertises the #validate capability (section 6.6 )"=20 But in section 6.6 there is no mention about the test-option. the "modifications to existing operations" is missing. =20 Thanks & Regards, V.Sarma ------_=_NextPart_001_01C468BA.08C9DA87 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hi=20 Rob,
An editorial comment on=20 ID:draft-ietf-netconf-prot-03
 
Section 5.2 <edit-config> = operation=20 "test-option" parameter states
"The test-option element may be = specified only=20 if the device advertises the #validate capability
 (section 6.6 = )"=20
    But in section 6.6 there is no mention about the=20 test-option. the "modifications to existing operations" is = missing.
 
Thanks = &=20 Regards,
V.Sarma
------_=_NextPart_001_01C468BA.08C9DA87-- -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Tue Jul 13 16:46:30 2004 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA15559 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BkTxf-0004lB-H1 for netconf-data@psg.com; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:33:11 +0000 Received: from [207.31.248.245] (helo=thingmagic.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BkTxe-0004kc-45 for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:33:10 +0000 Received: from [207.31.248.169] (account margaret HELO [10.0.0.41]) by thingmagic.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 111900; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:30:38 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: margaret@mail.thingmagic.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <184E80410B37F54F8FAFE5CF9AD757C401341122@blr-m2-msg.wipro.com> References: <184E80410B37F54F8FAFE5CF9AD757C401341122@blr-m2-msg.wipro.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:32:11 -0400 To: , From: Margaret Wasserman Subject: Re: Exiting the NETCONF subsystem Cc: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Hi Vedula, You should use the command to cleanly exit a NETCONF session. The command was added to the base specification after the last revision of the NETCONF SSH specification. I will be changing this in the next revision of the NETCONF SSH specification (hopefully before the San Diego cut-off). Thanks, Margaret At 9:34 AM +0530 7/13/04, wrote: >Hi All, > I have one query regarding "Exiting the NETCONF Subsystem". > >1. Exiting the NETCONF Subsystem > > section4 of draft-ietf-netconf-ssh-01.txt states > > "Exiting NETCONF is accomplished using the operation. > When a command is issued by the manager, the agent > shall respond, terminate the SSH session, and close the TCP >connection." > > The question is whether the manager has to issue >command or command for exiting the NETCONF subsystem. > > >Thanks & Regards, >V.Sarma > >-- >to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with >the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. >archive: -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Wed Jul 14 15:36:36 2004 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA10705 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BkpLq-000Hke-8M for netconf-data@psg.com; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 19:23:34 +0000 Received: from [171.68.10.87] (helo=sj-iport-5.cisco.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BkpLn-000Hk6-1B for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 19:23:31 +0000 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (171.71.177.238) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 14 Jul 2004 12:24:45 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com [171.71.163.17]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i6EJNMMZ029069 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:23:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ajamwalw2k03 (dhcp-128-107-133-43.cisco.com [128.107.133.43]) by mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (MOS 3.4.5-GR) with ESMTP id AXB17538; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:23:21 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Arvind Jamwal" To: Subject: Some schema errors and missing definitions Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:23:21 -0700 Organization: Cisco Systems Inc. Message-ID: <00cc01c469d8$0666a860$2b856b80@amer.cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C4699D.5A07D060" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.5709 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham version=2.63 Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C4699D.5A07D060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the XML schema section for the netconf operations, "data" element is refered but not defined. <--------------------- Missing definition And I believe someone already pointed out, the error-info element of the rpc-errorType should be type "xs:anyType". <--------- should be "xs:anyType" -Arvind ------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C4699D.5A07D060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
In the = XML schema=20 section for the netconf operations, "data" element is refered but not=20 defined.
 
     <xs:complexType=20 name=3D"rpc-replyType">
      =20 <xs:choice>
        =20 <xs:element name=3D"ok"=20 minOccurs=3D"0"/>
         = <xs:element name=3D"rpc-error" type=3D"rpc-errorType"=20 minOccurs=3D"0"/>
         = <xs:element ref=3D"config"=20 minOccurs=3D"0"/>
         = <xs:element ref=3D"data" minOccurs=3D"0"/>       &nbs= p;    =20 <--------------------- Missing=20 definition
      =20 </xs:choice>
       = <xs:attribute=20 name=3D"message-id" type=3D"xs:string"=20 use=3D"required"/>
    =20 </xs:complexType>
And I believe = someone=20 already pointed out, the error-info element of the rpc-errorType should = be type=20 "xs:anyType".
 
     <xs:complexType=20 name=3D"rpc-errorType">
      =20 <xs:sequence>
        =20 <xs:element name=3D"error-type"=20 type=3D"ErrorType"/>
       &nbs= p;=20 <xs:element name=3D"error-tag"=20 type=3D"ErrorTag"/>
        = ;=20 <xs:element name=3D"error-severity"=20 type=3D"ErrorSeverity"/>
       =  =20 <xs:element name=3D"error-app-tag" type=3D"xs:string"=20 minOccurs=3D"0"/>
         = <xs:element name=3D"error-path" type=3D"xs:string"=20 minOccurs=3D"0"/>
         = <xs:element name=3D"error-message" type=3D"xs:string"=20 minOccurs=3D"0"/>
         = <xs:element name=3D"error-info" type=3D"xs:any"=20 minOccurs=3D"0"/>         = ;            = =20 <--------- should be=20 "xs:anyType"
      =20 </xs:sequence>
    =20 </xs:complexType>
 
-Arvind
------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C4699D.5A07D060-- -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Wed Jul 14 15:53:19 2004 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA12230 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BkphG-000L5U-BZ for netconf-data@psg.com; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 19:45:42 +0000 Received: from [207.217.120.62] (helo=snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BkphD-000L4v-Fh for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 19:45:39 +0000 Received: from h-66-167-207-210.snvacaid.dynamic.covad.net ([66.167.207.210] helo=oemcomputer) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BkphC-0001r8-00 for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:45:38 -0700 Message-ID: <002801c469db$658e5ec0$7f1afea9@oemcomputer> From: "Randy Presuhn" To: "netconf" Subject: IEEE Communications issue on XML-based management Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:47:29 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_30 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Hi - The July, 2004 issue of IEEE Communications magazine (volume 42 number 7) has several articles on XML-based management of networks and services. Randy -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Wed Jul 14 15:56:08 2004 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA12379 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BkplX-000Low-9n for netconf-data@psg.com; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 19:50:07 +0000 Received: from [207.17.137.57] (helo=colo-dns-ext1.juniper.net) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BkplU-000LmD-7d for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 19:50:04 +0000 Received: from merlot.juniper.net (merlot.juniper.net [172.17.27.10]) by colo-dns-ext1.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id i6EJo2994233; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phil@juniper.net) Received: from idle.juniper.net (leida.juniper.net [172.18.16.26]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id i6EJnve83981; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:49:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phil@juniper.net) Received: from idle.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by idle.juniper.net (8.12.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id i6EJnuBE042046; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:49:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from phil@idle.juniper.net) Message-Id: <200407141949.i6EJnuBE042046@idle.juniper.net> To: "Randy Presuhn" cc: "netconf" Subject: Re: IEEE Communications issue on XML-based management In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:47:29 PDT." <002801c469db$658e5ec0$7f1afea9@oemcomputer> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:49:56 -0400 From: Phil Shafer X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk "Randy Presuhn" writes: >The July, 2004 issue of IEEE Communications magazine http://www.comsoc.org/ci1/Public/2004/jul/index.html -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Thu Jul 15 06:00:21 2004 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA07691 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1Bl2sb-000Maw-OR for netconf-data@psg.com; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:50:17 +0000 Received: from [164.164.31.6] (helo=wiproecmx2.wipro.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1Bl2sV-000MVg-3H for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:50:12 +0000 Received: from ec-vwall-wd (ec-vwall-wd.wipro.com [10.200.52.125]) by wiproecmx2.wipro.com (8.12.9-20031013/8.12.9) with SMTP id i6F9nju1027876 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:19:50 +0530 (IST) Received: from blr-ec-bh2.wipro.com ([10.200.50.92]) by ec-vwall-wd with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:19:45 +0530 Received: from blr-m2-msg.wipro.com ([10.116.50.99]) by blr-ec-bh2.wipro.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:19:44 +0530 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C46A51.0E9A93D8" Subject: Editorial comment on draft-ietf-netconf-prot-03 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:19:44 +0530 Message-ID: <184E80410B37F54F8FAFE5CF9AD757C4013416F2@blr-m2-msg.wipro.com> Thread-Topic: Editorial comment on draft-ietf-netconf-prot-03 Thread-Index: AcROC/4V0hoYBu2WRcmKo8tx+FWEaw== From: To: Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2004 09:49:45.0008 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F04BB00:01C46A51] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C46A51.0E9A93D8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rob =20 Another editorial comment on ID:draft-ietf-netconf-prot-03 =20 In section 5.5 (lock operation), it is mentioned that lock will not be granted if lock capability is not supported. =20 Shouldn't this reference to lock capability be removed too? =20 Thanks & Regards, V.Sarma ------_=_NextPart_001_01C46A51.0E9A93D8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hi Rob
 
Another editorial comment on=20 ID:draft-ietf-netconf-prot-03
 
In section 5.5 (lock operation), it is = mentioned=20 that lock will not be granted if lock capability is not = supported.
 
Shouldn't this reference to lock=20 capability  be removed too?
 
Thanks = &=20 Regards,
V.Sarma
------_=_NextPart_001_01C46A51.0E9A93D8-- -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Thu Jul 15 12:49:35 2004 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA02748 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1Bl9Ea-0000UM-V8 for netconf-data@psg.com; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:37:24 +0000 Received: from [171.71.176.70] (helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1Bl9ER-0000TX-TI for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:37:15 +0000 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (171.71.177.254) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 15 Jul 2004 09:38:26 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com [171.71.163.17]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i6FGbDZl005300 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abierman-w2k01.cisco.com (sjc-vpn4-1127.cisco.com [10.21.84.102]) by mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (MOS 3.4.5-GR) with ESMTP id AXB98890; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040715082934.025504a8@fedex.cisco.com> X-Sender: abierman@fedex.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:37:11 -0700 To: netconf@ops.ietf.org From: Andy Bierman Subject: Errata and clarifications: netconf-prot-03 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk - pg 5, para 5: move [7] reference to first occurrence of XSLT (ln 9 -> ln 5) - pg 14, example The request is missing the message-id attribute, so the reply should not have it either. Currently has message-id="102". - pg 17, para 2, filter parameter This parameter needs some more explanation. The concept of retrieval filtering needs to be explicitly introduced before this section (5.1). At least mention where filtering is defined. The larger issues related to filtering need to be resolved before this new section can be written. - pg 20, para 1, operation parameter I think the WG agreed to this list: - merge, replace, create, modify, delete The modify value is missing. See separate email on this issue. - pg 27, para 3, bullet 2 This is very 'candidate model' centric. If the "changes have not been committed" does not apply if the #candidate capability is not supported. There are also "implicit locking" issues that need to be resolved by the WG (not in this email). - pg 27, para 3, bullet 3 remove bullet -- lock capability has been removed - pg 27, para 7, negative response mention that the LOCK_DENIED error response (defined in appendix A) is returned. - pg 28, footer this seems to go over to the next page on my printer; check the page formatting - pg 31, para 1 Mention that all subsequent requests received after the will be ignored by the agent. - pg 33, onward Include the actual URI for each capability. Include multiple examples for capabilities that have parameter values. - pg 33, para 6 2 sentences mention "NETCONF channel". Remove this obsolete references - pg 34, para 1 reformat indentation on XML example; line wrap occurring - pg 37, para 5 The default target for cannot be on one platform and on another. This isn't represented in the XSD (don't know if it can be represented). This also doesn't seem consistent with the defaults for some other operations. This gives lots of ammo to the people that want to take out defaults from the protocol operations altogether. Andy -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Thu Jul 15 12:49:34 2004 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA02746 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1Bl9Em-0000Vw-J4 for netconf-data@psg.com; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:37:36 +0000 Received: from [171.71.176.71] (helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1Bl9El-0000Vg-N8 for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:37:35 +0000 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (171.71.177.238) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 15 Jul 2004 09:38:12 -0700 Received: from mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com [171.71.163.17]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i6FGbXau012916 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:37:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abierman-w2k01.cisco.com (sjc-vpn4-1127.cisco.com [10.21.84.102]) by mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (MOS 3.4.5-GR) with ESMTP id AXB98928; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040715090719.0241e9e8@fedex.cisco.com> X-Sender: abierman@fedex.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:37:32 -0700 To: netconf@ops.ietf.org From: Andy Bierman Subject: edit-config operation set Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I think we have a few more details to resolve wrt/ the edit-config 'operation' attribute: - pg 20, para 1, operation parameter I think the WG agreed to this list: - merge, replace, create, modify, delete The modify value is missing. After some more thought, I think the operation set in the draft is better without the modify operation, because modify is ambiguous -- it can mean merge or replace. Also, we don't need modify to prevent inadvertent re-creation of objects. We just need to put the operation attribute at the appropriate nest level. This rationale, and perhaps an example (see below) should be added to the spec. Example: change user barney's account type using the (default) merge operation vs. a scoped replace operation. Wrong: ... ... other parameters ... barney superuser - this operation will attempt to create the 'barney' entry if it doesn't already exist. Better: ... ... other parameters ... barney superuser - this operation should not attempt to create the 'barney' entry if it doesn't already exist. [open issue: does the default operation of 'merge' apply and the agent will try to create 'barney'? If so, should we add a parameter to set the default operation?] Unambiguous default operation behavior: - Add new parameter to operation: 'default-op': enum The edit-config operation that will assumed if the operation attribute is not present for a particular data model object. Valid values: none, merge, replace Default value: merge - Example: replace by setting default operation to 'none': ... ... other parameters ... none barney superuser Andy -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Thu Jul 15 21:20:54 2004 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA24865 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BlHCV-0009qf-DV for netconf-data@psg.com; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 01:07:47 +0000 Received: from [207.17.137.105] (helo=juniper.net) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BlHCS-0009qE-KU for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 01:07:44 +0000 Received: from ([172.24.18.109]) by jaffa.juniper.net with ESMTP ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:06:47 -0700 Received: from photon.jnpr.net ([172.24.18.198]) by beta.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:06:47 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C46AD1.2AC4A389" Subject: RE: Editorial comment on draft-ietf-netconf-prot-03 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:06:45 -0700 Message-ID: <062B922B6EC55149B5A267ECE78E5D4405BADE1A@photon.jnpr.net> Thread-Topic: Editorial comment on draft-ietf-netconf-prot-03 Thread-Index: AcROC/4V0hoYBu2WRcmKo8tx+FWEawcxRrCw From: "Rob Enns" To: Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2004 01:06:47.0582 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B073BE0:01C46AD1] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C46AD1.2AC4A389 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, thank you for the careful review. =20 regards, Rob ________________________________ From: vedula.sarma@wipro.com [mailto:vedula.sarma@wipro.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 2:50 AM To: Rob Enns Cc: netconf@ops.ietf.org Subject: Editorial comment on draft-ietf-netconf-prot-03 =09 =09 Hi Rob =20 Another editorial comment on ID:draft-ietf-netconf-prot-03 =20 In section 5.5 (lock operation), it is mentioned that lock will not be granted if lock capability is not supported. =20 Shouldn't this reference to lock capability be removed too? =20 Thanks & Regards, V.Sarma Confidentiality Notice The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential or privileged information. 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Yes, thank you for the careful = review.
 
regards,
 Rob

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Cc:=20 netconf@ops.ietf.org
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Hi Rob
 
Another editorial comment on=20 ID:draft-ietf-netconf-prot-03
 
In section 5.5 (lock operation), it = is mentioned=20 that lock will not be granted if lock capability is not=20 supported.
 
Shouldn't this reference to lock=20 capability  be removed too?
 
Thanks &=20 Regards,
V.Sarma
Confidentiality Notice = The=20 information contained in this electronic message and any = attachments to=20 this message are intended for the exclusive use of the = addressee(s) and=20 may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are = not the=20 intended recipient, please notify the sender at Wipro or=20 Mailadmin@wipro.com immediately and destroy all copies of this = message=20 and any attachments.=20
------_=_NextPart_001_01C46AD1.2AC4A389-- -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Fri Jul 16 19:30:10 2004 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA19582 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BlbyW-000HMA-5h for netconf-data@psg.com; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 23:18:44 +0000 Received: from [171.71.176.70] (helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BlbyU-000HLt-Vy for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 23:18:43 +0000 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (171.71.177.254) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Jul 2004 16:20:07 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com [171.71.163.17]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i6GNIfaI016205 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 16:18:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abierman-w2k01.cisco.com (sjc-vpn4-1127.cisco.com [10.21.84.102]) by mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (MOS 3.4.5-GR) with ESMTP id AXD44434; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 16:18:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040715115343.025b9490@fedex.cisco.com> X-Sender: abierman@fedex.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 16:18:39 -0700 To: netconf@ops.ietf.org From: Andy Bierman Subject: Issue 11.2.13: rollback capability Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I don't think the WG has fully addressed the strong request made at the last IETF to add some rollback support. Initially, XMLCONF had and operations but they were taken out because of disagreements related to the application of other protocol operations (e.g., get-config or copy-config) on the "snapshot config". I think this feature was dropped too soon. We really need checkpoint and rollback to support coordinated commit (or undo) procedures across multiple devices. (E.g., a network change requires some config changes on 10 boxes: 9 succeed and the 10th fails : the manager needs a way to easily revert the 9 boxes that accepted the config changes). This feature makes it easy for a manager to undo committed configuration changes on a network device. X.1) Rollback Capability X.1.1) Overview The rollback capability allows an application to easily revert the configuration to a previously saved state. The saved state is maintained in an implementation-specific manner, and cannot be retrieved, copied, edited, or validated by the application. This feature is complex to implement and resource-intensive, so it is optional, and its support is indicated by this capability. Conceptually, the agent maintains a ring buffer of saved configuration data for each session. At least one saved configuration (per-session) must be supported by an agent that supports the #rollback capability. The application uses the operation to add a new saved configuration to the ring-buffer. If the buffer is full, then the oldest existing entry will be over-written by the new entry. The operation is used to revert the configuration to the most recent saved state in the ring-buffer. A saved configuration is removed automatically from the ring-buffer after it is reverted (with the operation. Saved configurations can be discarded manually with the operation. Even though the configuration is global, a separate rollback ring-buffer is maintained for each NETCONF session. The agent MUST NOT change the size of this ring-buffer (for a particular session) while that session is active. When a session terminates for any reason, all internal resources related to rollback are released by the agent. X.1.2) Dependencies None X.1.3) Capability and Namespace The rollback capability is identified by the string "rollback", and is named as follows: urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:netconf:base:1.0#rollback If the #rollback capability is advertised, it means the , and operations are supported. The parameter value in the netconf-state data model must be equal to a value greater than zero. X.1.4) New Operations X.1.4.1) This protocol operation causes the agent to take whatever steps required to capture the current state of the configuration, so a subsequent operation will cause the configuration to revert to this state. This operation has no parameters. X.1.4.2) This protocol operation causes the agent to take whatever steps required to revert the configuration to the state captured at the time of the last operation. The checkpoint data is removed from the session's rollback ring buffer after this operation is completed. The agent SHOULD revert the configuration in a manner that causes the least amount of disruption to the running network. If complete restoration of the running configuration requires a system or module restart, then the agent will return a RESTART_REQUIRED error. In this case, some restoration of the configuration may already be completed, but the manager must initiate an appropriate restart sequence in order to complete the operation. This operation has no parameters. X.1.4.3) This protocol operation causes the agent to remove a specified number (or all) of configurations previously saved with the operation. Parameter: : NonNegativeInteger The number of saved configurations to discard. The value zero indicates that all saved rollback configurations for this session should be discarded. If this value is greater than the current number of saved rollback configurations, then a BAD_ELEMENT error will be returned, with the value set to "count". This parameter is optional. The default value of one is used if this parameter is not present in the operation. X.1.5) Modifications to Existing Operations None X.1.6) Interactions with Other Capabilities Although similar in implementation requirements, the #rollback capability is independent of the #rollback-on-error capability. An agent which supports #rollback SHOULD support the #rollback-on-error capability as well. X.1.7) Additions to the netconf-state Data Model X.1.7.1) A read-only parameter to indicate the maximum number of saved rollback configurations the agent will support for a single NETCONF session. If the #rollback capability is not supported, then the value zero MUST be returned. A positive integer value indicates the maximum depth of the rollback ring-buffer that the agent supports for any NETCONF session. When this depth is reached, a subsequent operation will cause the oldest saved rollback configuration data to be deleted. [TBD -- update XSD to include this parameter] X.1.8) Additions to the NETCONF Error Code Set X.1.3.1) RESTART_REQUIRED Tag: RESTART_REQUIRED Severity: warning Error-info: none [ed. - TBD] Description: The requested protocol operation will require a system or module restart in order to be completed. The system may not operate properly until this restart is performed. X.1.9) Usage Examples X.1.9.1) High level edit operation sequences for target== start_edit: lock(running) lock(startup) checkpoint prepare: edit-config(running, rollback-on-error) + commit: N/A persist_changes: copy-config(running, startup) rollback: rollback end_edit: discard-checkpoint(0) unlock(running) unlock(startup) X.1.9.1) High level edit operation sequences for target== start_edit: lock(candidate) lock(running) lock(startup) // if #distinct-startup is true checkpoint prepare: edit-config(candidate, stop-on-error) + commit: commit persist_changes: copy-config(running, startup) rollback: discard-changes // if commit has not been done OR rollback // if commit has been done end_edit: discard-checkpoint(0) unlock(candidate) unlock(running) unlock(startup) -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Tue Jul 20 10:54:42 2004 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA25673 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1Bmvnq-000BfH-Vi for netconf-data@psg.com; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:41:10 +0000 Received: from [47.129.242.57] (helo=zcars04f.nortelnetworks.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1Bmvnp-000Bep-Lt for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:41:09 +0000 Received: from zcard309.ca.nortel.com (zcard309.ca.nortel.com [47.129.242.69]) by zcars04f.nortelnetworks.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id i6KEf7a26594 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:41:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by zcard309.ca.nortel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:41:08 -0400 Message-ID: <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4D336F6@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> From: "Sharon Chisholm" To: netconf@ops.ietf.org Subject: FW: Netconf Data Model BOF Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:41:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk hi We have approval to have a Netconf Data Model BOF at IETF 60. To join in on the discussion, follow the instructions for joining the mailing list at http://standards.nortelnetworks.com/netconf/ Sharon -----Original Message----- From: Chisholm, Sharon [CAR:0S00:EXCH] Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 7:14 AM To: Netconf Data Model Discussion Subject: Netconf Data Model BOF hi I ran out of time yesterday, but here is the BOF as it current stands. As has been mentioned, there are a number of areas for discussion including - Agenda - Vision or direction to take data modelling - BOF Abbreviation - I like netmod - Additional Milestones - Volunteers I'll also send a message to the netconf list reminding them we are over here and letting them know we will be having a BOF Netconf Data Model BOF (netconfmodel) Time: TBD ============================== CHAIRS: Sharon Chisholm (schishol@nortelnetworks.com) Randy Presuhn (randy_presuhn@mindspring.com) Web page (which has a reference to the mailing list, archives, papers and presentations with proposed solutions): http://standards.nortelnetworks.com/netconf/ AGENDA: 1) Preliminaries - 15 minutes 2) Problem Statement/Scope Overview - 10 minutes 3) Framework for Netconf Data Models - Sharon Chisholm - 15 min http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-chisholm-netconf-mod el-00.txt 4) Netconf Data Model - Sandeep Adwanker, 20 minutes http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-adwankar-netconf-dat amodel-00.txt 5) General Discussion - 15 minutes 6) Charter Discussion and Wrap-up - 10 minutes Proposed Charter ---------------- The Netconf Data Model Working Group would be charted to provide an initial framework to create XML data models for use with the Netconf protocol. Abstract information models on which all XML data models would be based may also be discussed. The working group will also produce some initial XML data models as proof of concept examples, as well as to meet specific industry need. The network configuration (netconf - http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/netconf-charter.html )working group in the IETF is chartered to produce a protocol for network configuration. The data models to be used with this new protocol are outside the scope of that discussion. Even though the netconf architecture proposes to be independent of data definition and data model, it is critical to start talking about data models in more concrete terms to ensure there really aren't implications for either the protocol or the models as a result of combining them into system to provide management functionality. In addition, many feel that the identification or creation of standard data models for use in netconf is critical for both the success of the protocol and the benefit of the industry. The working group will complete these tasks: Define a 'Framework for Netconf Data Models' Document [Exact Title TDB] Define a 'Netconf Data Model for system, interfaces and physical entities' The working group will consider existing definitions, including: o Netconf Protocol Work o SNMP Information Model o Common Information Model (CIM) from DMTF Goals and Milestones: ---------------------- Done Bar BOF IETF 59 June 2004 Initial draft of Framework document Aug 2004 Netconf Data Model BOF at IETF 60 Sept 2004 Version of Framework document as Working Group document Mar 2005 Working Group Last Call On Framework document Sharon Chisholm Portfolio Integration Nortel Networks Ottawa, Canada --- You are currently subscribed to netconfmodel as: schishol@americasm01.nt.com. To unsubscribe send an e-mail to lyris@lists.nortelnetworks.com and in the body type unsubscribe netconfmodel -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Wed Jul 21 17:54:47 2004 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA09572 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BnOsX-000MLC-14 for netconf-data@psg.com; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:43:57 +0000 Received: from [207.17.137.105] (helo=juniper.net) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BnOsV-000MJB-T1 for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:43:55 +0000 Received: from ([172.24.245.25]) by jaffa.juniper.net with ESMTP ; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:43:21 -0700 Received: from photon.jnpr.net ([172.24.18.198]) by gamma.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:43:19 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Errata and clarifications: netconf-prot-03 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:43:18 -0700 Message-ID: <062B922B6EC55149B5A267ECE78E5D4405BAE080@photon.jnpr.net> Thread-Topic: Errata and clarifications: netconf-prot-03 Thread-Index: AcRqimJ0w0SjmHKSSXWLT9E1JR/3CQARsn1A From: "Rob Enns" To: "Andy Bierman" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2004 21:43:19.0625 (UTC) FILETIME=[BCFF5390:01C46F6B] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Andy. A few comments below. - Rob > - pg 17, para 2, filter parameter >=20 > This parameter needs some more explanation. The concept > of retrieval filtering needs to be explicitly introduced=20 > before this section (5.1). At least mention where filtering > is defined. >=20 > The larger issues related to filtering need to be resolved > before this new section can be written. Yep. I'm leaving the filtering piece alone until the WG agrees on what to do. > - pg 27, para 3, bullet 2 >=20 > This is very 'candidate model' centric. If the "changes have > not been committed" does not apply if the #candidate capability > is not supported. There are also "implicit locking" issues that=20 > need to be resolved by the WG (not in this email). Agree. The WG agreed to remove this restriction and I must have=20 dropped it in my notes. I've removed it from the working draft. > - pg 33, onward >=20 > Include the actual URI for each capability. Include multiple > examples for capabilities that have parameter values. I think the URIs (URNs) are in there, for example: urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:netconf:base:1.0#rollback-on-error=20 If this isn't what you're after can you be more specific? > - pg 37, para 5 >=20 > The default target for cannot be on one=20 > platform and on another. This isn't represented=20 > in the XSD (don't know if it can be represented). This also > doesn't seem consistent with the defaults for some other > operations. This gives lots of ammo to the people that > want to take out defaults from the protocol operations altogether. While it can't be represented in the XSD, it makes sense to have do the right thing no matter if you're managing a device with a single configuration or one with a configuration. We could remove the inconsistency by taking out the default behavior for , but that would make using NETCONF more of a pain, since a user would always have to specify the parameter. -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Wed Jul 21 18:48:15 2004 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA21465 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BnPls-0003os-Tv for netconf-data@psg.com; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 22:41:08 +0000 Received: from [171.71.176.71] (helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BnPlp-0003oY-VR for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 22:41:06 +0000 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (171.71.177.237) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 21 Jul 2004 15:42:56 -0700 Received: from mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com [171.71.163.17]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i6LMf38a024193; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abierman-w2k01.cisco.com (rtp-vpn3-888.cisco.com [10.82.219.124]) by mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (MOS 3.4.5-GR) with ESMTP id AXH08417; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:41:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040721152832.01c5b7f0@fedex.cisco.com> X-Sender: abierman@fedex.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:42:18 -0700 To: "Rob Enns" From: Andy Bierman Subject: RE: Errata and clarifications: netconf-prot-03 Cc: In-Reply-To: <062B922B6EC55149B5A267ECE78E5D4405BAE080@photon.jnpr.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk At 02:43 PM 7/21/2004, Rob Enns wrote: >Thanks Andy. A few comments below. - Rob > >> - pg 17, para 2, filter parameter >> >> This parameter needs some more explanation. The concept >> of retrieval filtering needs to be explicitly introduced >> before this section (5.1). At least mention where filtering >> is defined. >> >> The larger issues related to filtering need to be resolved >> before this new section can be written. > >Yep. I'm leaving the filtering piece alone until the WG >agrees on what to do. okay >> - pg 27, para 3, bullet 2 >> >> This is very 'candidate model' centric. If the "changes have >> not been committed" does not apply if the #candidate capability >> is not supported. There are also "implicit locking" issues that >> need to be resolved by the WG (not in this email). > >Agree. The WG agreed to remove this restriction and I must have >dropped it in my notes. I've removed it from the working draft. > >> - pg 33, onward >> >> Include the actual URI for each capability. Include multiple >> examples for capabilities that have parameter values. > >I think the URIs (URNs) are in there, for example: > urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:netconf:base:1.0#rollback-on-error > >If this isn't what you're after can you be more specific? I'll look to see if there are any of these URNs are missing. Sec. 6.8.3 (#url capability) should have some examples of valid values. We should define a specific set of URL types that can be used in NETCONF. This came up in the IESG review of an RMON MIB with a URL MIB object much like our element. >> - pg 37, para 5 >> >> The default target for cannot be on one >> platform and on another. This isn't represented >> in the XSD (don't know if it can be represented). This also >> doesn't seem consistent with the defaults for some other >> operations. This gives lots of ammo to the people that >> want to take out defaults from the protocol operations altogether. > >While it can't be represented in the XSD, it makes sense to >have do the right thing no matter if you're managing >a device with a single configuration or one with >a configuration. We could remove the inconsistency >by taking out the default behavior for , but that would >make using NETCONF more of a pain, since a user would always >have to specify the parameter. You are assuming that no product would ever allow both writes to or directly to . I don't think we should assume that. Regardless, I am in favor of using the 'default' attribute, and minOccurs="0" in the NETCONF XSD, when there is a clear default for all use cases. Having to overlay (and override) bits and pieces of the XSD to generate platform-specific schema is something we should avoid. This looks like a parameter that should not have a default -- everybody should have to specify a value for and . 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2004 12:29:22 +0000 Received: from [47.129.242.157] (helo=zcars0m9.nortelnetworks.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BnzAv-0006tI-Bt for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:29:21 +0000 Received: from zcard309.ca.nortel.com (zcard309.ca.nortel.com [47.129.242.69]) by zcars0m9.nortelnetworks.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id i6NCTIN07113 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by zcard309.ca.nortel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:29:19 -0400 Message-ID: <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4D9F2A7@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> From: "Sharon Chisholm" To: netconf@ops.ietf.org Subject: NIT: NETCONF over SSH Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:29:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk hi XMLCONF is used instead of NETCONF in the following paragraph in the Introduction of the SSH draft. It also showed up in 3 or 4 other places in the draft when I did a search. "The NETCONF protocol [I-D.ietf-netconf-prot] is an XML-based protocol used to manage the configuration of networking equipment. NETCONF is defined to be session-layer and transport independent, allowing mappings to be defined for multiple session-layer or transport protocols. This document defines how XMLCONF can be used within a Secure Shell (SSH) session, using the SSH connection protocol [I-D.ietf-secsh-connect] over the SSH transport protocol [I-D.ietf-secsh-transport]. This mapping will allow NETCONF to be executed from a secure shell session by a user or a simple script." Sharon Chisholm Portfolio Integration Nortel Networks Ottawa, Canada -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Fri Jul 23 16:00:06 2004 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA23426 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:00:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1Bo63T-000Pn7-3W for netconf-data@psg.com; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:50:07 +0000 Received: from [171.71.176.72] (helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1Bo63R-000PmS-Ok for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:50:05 +0000 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (171.71.177.238) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 23 Jul 2004 12:53:40 +0000 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from mira-sjc5-b.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mira-sjc5-b.cisco.com [171.71.163.14]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i6NJo3Nv002565; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from andreaww2k01 (sjc-vpn2-743.cisco.com [10.21.114.231]) by mira-sjc5-b.cisco.com (MOS 3.4.5-GR) with ESMTP id AVP37513; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:48:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrea Westerinen" To: , Subject: FW: I-D ACTION:draft-boucadair-netconf-req-00.txt Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:51:20 -0700 Message-ID: <011c01c470ee$6d216910$7a01a8c0@amer.cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.5709 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4939.300 X-Message-Flag: Follow up X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have some comments on the draft. Here they are: 1. An item missed in the terminology section (Section 3) is "Service Offering". It is used in several of the other definitions. 2. Section 6, which discusses Current Issues, presents requirements also = (I see lots of uses of the word SHOULD). Are all of these items included = in the Requirements Section, Section 8? It would be valuable to capture = all of them. 3. Section 8.1.1, item 5, discusses support for a reporting mechanism = for statistics. I think that more detail is needed since the statistical information itself is part of a data model, but "protocol" aspects deal = with the ability to send lots of data at a rapid rate, and/or to filter the = data transmitted based on thresholds, time intervals, etc. I think that you = mean the latter but the current wording is quite vague. 4. The first sentence of Section 8.2 is very difficult for me to parse. = Do you mean to say "Several factors contribute to the complexity of configuration. These include the increase in network service offerings = and the wide variety of protocols, as well as the diversity of vendors and product offerings." - or something else? 5. Sections 8.2.1.1 and 8.2.2.4 mix identification of an interface and a tunnel (where the ids could be arbitrary and opaque, but MUST be unique) with naming and configuration properties (which should carry specific semantics). This information needs to be separated out into identity requirements and data model requirements (which provide all the relevant config and relationship info). 6. Section 8.2.2, Forwarding Services, presents good requirements for = data model content, and should be clearly distinguished from the protocol requirements. 7. In Section 8.2.3.4.2, I have a problem with saying that integrity = MUST be provided, and then saying MAY/SHOULD in the following sentences. I = think that application config data MUST be protected, and this MAY be = accomplished by security at the network level. You might even want to go further, = but this is a start. 8. Section 8.2.3.4.6, Profiles, starts to talk about privilege levels. = Do you mean "Roles" and RBAC? If so, we should be clear about this, and separate the definition of Privileges from Roles (which group privileges = and possibly other Roles). Andrea=20 >To: i-d-announce@ietf.org >From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org >Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 15:29:23 -0400 >Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-boucadair-netconf-req-00.txt > >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts=20 >directories. > > > Title : Requirements for Efficient and Automated=20 > Configuration Management > Author(s) : M. Boucadair, et al. > Filename : draft-boucadair-netconf-req-00.txt > Pages : 18 > Date : 2004-7-9 > >Given the ever-increasing importance of configuration tasks for the > provisioning of a wide range of IP resources, networks, and = services > in today's Internet, this draft aims at listing the basic > requirements that should drive the specification of a protocol to > convey configuration information towards network devices. This memo > doesn't aim at listing candidate protocols to convey such > information, nor at choosing one of these. This draft basically > describes a whole set of issues a service provider has to deal = with, > hence a list of requirements to better address such issues. > >A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-boucadair-netconf-req-00.txt Mark Basinski, CCIE #4422 Product Manager, NMTG Product Marketing Cisco Systems, Inc. Tel: +1.408.527.7753 FAX: +1.408.527.6351 -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Tue Jul 27 14:42:53 2004 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA05866 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.41 (FreeBSD)) id 1BpWif-000Jj4-QE for netconf-data@psg.com; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:30:33 +0000 Received: from [195.101.245.15] (helo=p-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BmZoz-0002iI-49 for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:12:58 +0000 Received: from ftrdmel3.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.155]) by parsmtp1.rd.francetelecom.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:12:42 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C46DA2.D675D8F3" Subject: Network configuration Requirement Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:12:42 +0200 Message-ID: <6CF039C5B32037498B02251E11CDE6B019D345@ftrdmel3.rd.francetelecom.fr> Thread-Topic: Network configuration Requirement Thread-Index: AcRtotYtuAU1YlfqRC+RNR+LHrGMSQ== From: "BOUCADAIR Mohamed RD-CORE-CAE" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2004 15:12:42.0453 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6873050:01C46DA2] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham version=2.63 Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C46DA2.D675D8F3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Please find in the indicated URL an ID that aims at identifying a set = of requieremnts for handling network configuration. http://www.rfc-editor.org/internet-drafts/draft-boucadair-netconf-req-00.= txt This is a first attempt within the IETF to have such a document dealing = with netconf issues Your comments are more than welcome. Cheers, Med ------_=_NextPart_001_01C46DA2.D675D8F3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Network configuration Requirement

Hi all,

Please find in the indicated URL = an ID that aims at identifying  a set of requieremnts for handling = network configuration.

http://www.rfc-editor.org/internet-drafts/draft-boucadair-ne= tconf-req-00.txt

This is a first attempt within = the IETF to have such a document dealing with netconf issues

Your comments are more than = welcome.

Cheers,

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Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:26:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phil@juniper.net) Received: from idle.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by idle.juniper.net (8.12.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id i6S3QnBE090679; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:26:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from phil@idle.juniper.net) Message-Id: <200407280326.i6S3QnBE090679@idle.juniper.net> To: "BOUCADAIR Mohamed RD-CORE-CAE" cc: netconf@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: Network configuration Requirement In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:12:42 +0200." <6CF039C5B32037498B02251E11CDE6B019D345@ftrdmel3.rd.francetelecom.fr> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:26:49 -0400 From: Phil Shafer X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk "BOUCADAIR Mohamed RD-CORE-CAE" writes: >This is a first attempt within the IETF to have such a document dealing >with netconf issues Some of the previous efforts re: requirements are listed in: http://ops.ietf.org/lists/netconf/netconf.2003/msg00111.html The expired drafts can probably be found on: http://www.watersprings.org/pub/id/draft-whatever-xx.txt Thanks, Phil -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Wed Jul 28 16:23:00 2004 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA02240 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.41 (FreeBSD)) id 1BpumO-000Iyy-9g for netconf-data@psg.com; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:12:00 +0000 Received: from [171.71.176.70] (helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.41 (FreeBSD)) id 1Bpulx-000Ivt-Mk for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:11:33 +0000 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (171.71.177.238) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2004 13:15:03 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com [171.71.163.17]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i6SKBSsF023269; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abierman-w2k01.cisco.com (sjc-vpn3-307.cisco.com [10.21.65.51]) by mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (MOS 3.4.5-GR) with ESMTP id AXM94913; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040728130826.01c7a228@fedex.cisco.com> X-Sender: abierman@fedex.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:11:35 -0700 To: agenda@ietf.org From: Andy Bierman Subject: Agenda for NETCONF WG meeting at IETF #60 Cc: netconf@ops.ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Network Configuration WG (netconf) IETF #60 August 5, 2004 : 1530 - 1730 ============================ Chairs: Simon Leinen Andy Bierman Agenda: - Report on NETMOD BOF (Sharon Chisholm, 15 min) - BOF results summary - Impact on NETCONF protocol documents (e.g., move netconf-state data model to a different document) - Security Issues (Wes Hardaker, 15 min) - Discussion of Major Open Issues (30 min) - retrieval filtering - rollback - Discussion of WG Documents (50 min) - NETCONF Configuration Protocol - BEEP Application Protocol Mapping for NETCONF - NETCONF Over SOAP - Using the NETCONF Configuration Protocol over Secure Shell (SSH) - Next Steps (10 min) - Need to finish up the last bits, and start WG Last Calls ASAP WG Internet Drafts: NETCONF Configuration Protocol http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-netconf-prot-03.txt BEEP Application Protocol Mapping for NETCONF http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-netconf-beep-01.txt NETCONF Over SOAP http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-netconf-soap-02.txt Using the NETCONF Configuration Protocol over Secure Shell (SSH) http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-netconf-ssh-01.txt -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Thu Jul 29 09:19:28 2004 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA09746 for ; 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multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C47603.093E3EEC" Subject: query regarding kill session Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:31:28 +0530 Message-ID: <184E80410B37F54F8FAFE5CF9AD757C4013F4EF0@blr-m2-msg.wipro.com> Thread-Topic: query regarding kill session Thread-Index: AcR2A8Ra7kY2/F7QSPqG8uE+RACDTg== From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2004 07:01:28.0777 (UTC) FILETIME=[09646390:01C47603] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C47603.093E3EEC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, As per XML schema for NETCONF RPC and protocol operations ( Appendix B) of ID:draft-ietf-netconf-prot-03 =20 the "session-id" parameter is optional in "kill-session" command. =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 What is the target session, if the request doesn't contain session-id in the kill-session command? =20 Thanks & Regards, V.Sarma ------_=_NextPart_001_01C47603.093E3EEC Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hi,
 As per  XML schema for NETCONF RPC = and=20 protocol operations ( Appendix B) of=20 ID:draft-ietf-netconf-prot-03  
 the  "session-id" parameter is optional in=20 "kill-session" command.
 
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
 <xs:complexType=20 name=3D"kill-sessionType">
  <xs:complexContent>   <xs:extension=20 base=3D"rpcOperationType">
    <xs:sequence&= gt;
     <xs:element=20 name=3D"session-id" type=3D"SessionId"=20 minOccurs=3D"0"/>
    </xs:sequence>
&= nbsp;  </xs:extension>
  </xs:complexCont= ent>
 </xs:complexType>
 <xs:element=20 name=3D"kill-session" type=3D"kill-sessionType"=20 substitutionGroup=3D"rpcOperation"/>
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
 
What = is the target=20 session, if the request doesn't contain session-id in the kill-session=20 command?
 
Thanks & Regards,
V.Sarma
------_=_NextPart_001_01C47603.093E3EEC-- -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Fri Jul 30 13:05:41 2004 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA19583 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.41 (FreeBSD)) id 1BqacV-000A1J-B2 for netconf-data@psg.com; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:52:35 +0000 Received: from [171.71.176.72] (helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.41 (FreeBSD)) id 1BqacK-0009yp-EK for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:52:24 +0000 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (171.71.177.237) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 30 Jul 2004 09:53:54 +0000 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com [171.71.163.17]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i6UGqE8L006486 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:52:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abierman-w2k01.cisco.com (sjc-vpn2-83.cisco.com [10.21.112.83]) by mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (MOS 3.4.5-GR) with ESMTP id AXO84767; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:51:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040730080346.0275a778@fedex.cisco.com> X-Sender: abierman@fedex.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:53:06 -0700 To: netconf@ops.ietf.org From: Andy Bierman Subject: Comments on Application Mapping I-Ds Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Here are some more comments on the 3 application mapping drafts. IMO they are all in good shape, and almost ready for WG Last Call. 1) General Comments - Titles should be consistent; every one is a different style. We need to decide which style is best: - BEEP Application Protocol Mapping for NETCONF - NETCONF Over SOAP - Using the NETCONF Configuration Protocol over Secure Shell (SSH) - The following normative sections should exist in all documents, and be consistent in content: - NETCONF Session Establishment - NETCONF Capabilities Exchange - NETCONF Session Usage - NETCONF Session Teardown - In the session tear-down section, each document must explain what to do when or operations are invoked 2) draft-ietf-netconf-beep-01 comments - pg 4, sec 2.1, para 5 OLD: ... manager now establishes an NETCONF a new &dquot;operational&dquot; channel for capabilitiesexchange and requests and responses. NEW: ... manager now establishes a new channel for NETCONF messages. - pg 5, sec. 2.4 - "Operations channel" is no longer a well-understood term, since it's been removed from the protocol. "NETCONF Messages channel" seems better. - pg 7, sec. 2.4.2 - Remove this section (Notification Channel Profile) 3) draft-ietf-netconf-soap-02 comments - I am rather concerned that the document is so specific to SOAP over HTTP, partly because the advert said "SOAP runs over anything, don't worry about the transport", and partly because our EMS developers are very interested in SOAP over BEEP, not SOAP over HTTP. Clearly we have to worry about the transport, and clearly BEEP is better than HTTP, for use with NETCONF. Proposal: - separate SOAP-generic and SOAP-over-HTTP text as much as possible - add text to support for SOAP over BEEP (RFC 3288) - I think Eliot raised valid issues wrt/ HTTP caching that should be mentioned in sec 2.4 - Appendix A: WSDL Definitions I've been told our WSDL model is inferior because it just exposes the , exchange, not the standard protocol operations underneath. I've also been told this doesn't matter -- you can still get WSDL based tools to model the proto-op layer, not the RPC layer. I don't know which is true. The WG needs to decide. 4) draft-ietf-netconf-ssh-01 comments - pg 3, Introduction OLD: XMLCONF NEW: NETCONF - general (starting on pg 5) Indent examples and label them Example 1, Example 2, etc. They blend in with the normative text. Change "in the example above" to "in Example N". - pg 5, sec 2.1, para 1 "(or the user's expect script)" This seems very implementation-dependent, and expect is not defined or mentioned anywhere else - pg 6, para 1 OLD: a $lt;hello> NEW: a - pg 9, sec 5.1, example change #lock to a current NETCONF capability, like #candidate - pg 10, sec 5.2 This needs to be updated to use instead of . Need to note that it is an implementation-specific matter as to how a or a (from one session to another) is detected. - pg 11, sec 6, para 3 OLD: security keys. So, NETCONF should NEW: security keys. NETCONF should -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: