From liz@simonspetroleum.com Mon Oct 01 06:44:13 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IcIl3-0003B6-Cn for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 06:44:13 -0400 Received: from 206-209.cp.dsl.seidata.com ([206.162.206.209]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IcIks-0005et-SZ for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 06:44:09 -0400 Received: from xls ([66.170.204.113]) by 206-209.cp.dsl.seidata.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id l92BwiBD068846; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 06:58:44 -0500 Message-ID: <470231E9.7030007@simonspetroleum.com> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 06:56:25 -0500 From: User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: I know you want one Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 4.4 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 Consumers Go Wild For New Porsche Designed Yacht FEARLESS INTL INC FRLE $0.32 "Fearless 28" is became every discerning captains dream boat, as it made waves at the Miami Boat Show this year. Since the release, fearless has nearly maxed their production line to fill orders. Media coverage has been extensive, including GQ, Bloomberg Markets, Time, and many more. If you do nothing else this weekend, go to the fearlessyachts dot com website and see this in action on the video. After you have seen it all, get ready to grab FRLE Monday morning. From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Mon Oct 01 08:58:22 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IcKqs-0000yb-4Y for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 08:58:22 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IcKqq-0001FM-UX for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 08:58:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IcKjS-00054v-Sv for netconf-data@psg.com; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:50:42 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [47.140.192.55] (helo=zrtps0kn.nortel.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IcKjQ-000547-A9 for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:50:41 +0000 Received: from zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com (zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com [47.129.230.99]) by zrtps0kn.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id l91CoUL04986 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:50:30 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Netconf WG Re-chartering Discussion Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:50:29 -0400 Message-ID: <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B41113C586@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Netconf WG Re-chartering Discussion thread-index: AcgEKaWVSPgYuBFPQDGBioj7Gow4MQ== From: "Sharon Chisholm" To: Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Hi Just a heads up that re-chartering the NETCONF working group in order to support the work proposed by the NEE BOF is currently underway on the NGO mailing list. The decision to have the discussion over there was so as to not clutter up this mailing list while we are trying to close off the Notifications work. https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ngo Sharon Chisholm Nortel=20 Ottawa, Ontario Canada -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From iguhc@cascorp.com Wed Oct 03 02:16:56 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IcxXU-0006sT-BG for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 02:16:56 -0400 Received: from [64.198.87.248] (helo=ip.yousq.net) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IcxXL-0000hs-HC for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 02:16:51 -0400 Received: from lbtdx ([219.60.211.169]) by ip.yousq.net (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id l936GZTQ045882; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 01:16:35 -0500 Message-ID: <002601c80584$d0a8bb40$a9d33cdb@lbtdx> From: To: Subject: last set of changes Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 01:15:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2499 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2499 X-Spam-Score: 4.8 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 8ac499381112328dd60aea5b1ff596ea Hot new yacht. Fearless International Inc. (FRLE.OB) $0.20 Fearless already taking in ten Million in orders. Get frLE wed From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Thu Oct 04 13:41:52 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IdUhs-0002Yw-Mz for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 13:41:52 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IdUhp-00014E-Fg for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 13:41:50 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IdUX2-000Mo6-HO for netconf-data@psg.com; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:30:40 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [68.142.198.204] (helo=smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) by psg.com with smtp (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IdUWz-000Mmk-Eb for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:30:38 +0000 Received: (qmail 20529 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2007 17:30:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (andybierman@att.net@76.195.159.89 with plain) by smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2007 17:30:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MfaQWywVM1lLM0g4rOjronGb90U8GeV.SRbLYG_G2ITC.gQhrUGVZEQHGbho7Go678FgNxHiUpAFbJ0L3rwYFROXeA-- Message-ID: <470522AB.6030909@andybierman.com> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:28:11 -0700 From: Andy Bierman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Netconf WG Subject: Conclusion: notification-09 consensus points References: <46FD2D87.3030905@andybierman.com> In-Reply-To: <46FD2D87.3030905@andybierman.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 825e642946eda55cd9bc654a36dab8c2 Hi, There seems to be no objection to adding the interleave capability and leaving the eventTime as a sibling of notificationContent. The pre-10 draft does not need any changes related to these issues. There are no other open issues, so notification-10 should be published ASAP. After that, a final 3 week WGLC will be held to identify any new issues only. Andy > Hi, > > I have reviewed the latest notification draft, and it is very > close to done! > > There are clarifications and small bug fixes already pointed > out in review comments. In addition, the comments below > require that the WG make a couple of decisions. > > > > ============================================== > > sec 1.3, para 2, last sentence > > [Andy] > > Current: > > An example of when other commands would be processed is if a separate > capability was advertised indicating support of this functionality. > > Proposed: > > [some text defining the :interleave capability] > > *** WG consensus point ************************************* > * Add :interleave capability to indicate agent will accept * > * other RPC methods besides close-session while delivering * > * notifications. Yes/No? * > ************************************************************ > > > ============================================== > > sec 2.3 > > [Martin] > > Add sentence about as the primary method > to terminate the session. > [Andy] IMO the and drop connection text > should be removed. > > ============================================== > > sec 4. and 5: eventTime element > > The XSD and examples show the eventTime as a sibling > of the notificationContent node, not a child of the > notification content: > > [A] Current: > > xmlns="urn:ietf:params:netconf:capability:notification:1.0"> > 2007-07-08T00:01:00Z > > fault > > Ethernet0 > > major > > > > > [B] Discussed on mailing list: > > xmlns:not="urn:ietf:params:netconf:capability:notification:1.0"> > > 2007-07-08T00:01:00Z > fault > > Ethernet0 > > major > > > > > *** WG consensus point **************************************** > * [A] == Keep 'eventTime' as a sibling of notificationContent * > * [B] == Make 'eventTime' a child of notificationContent * > * [A] or [B]? * > *************************************************************** > > > > > -- > to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with > the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. > archive: > > -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From lab@nzqub.eastequipment.com Thu Oct 04 20:05:43 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IdahL-0004iy-1z for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:05:43 -0400 Received: from [196.205.112.50] (helo=host-196-205-112-50.static.link.com.eg) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Idah9-0007WG-3x for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 20:05:39 -0400 Received: from atw ([222.221.67.167]) by host-196-205-112-50.static.link.com.eg (8.13.2/8.13.2) with SMTP id l94F8LQg015046; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:08:21 +0200 Message-ID: <001301c80697$fc87b680$a743ddde@atw> From: To: Subject: Huge return on FRLE today Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:05:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2578 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2578 X-Spam-Score: 3.5 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 FRLE begins to rocket, shares make huge climb. FEARLESS INTL INC (F R L E . O B) $0.25 UP 31.31 % Hard climb for the hottest new yacht on the market, shares jumped nearly 32% today. This will make for big trade day on Friday. Don't sit back on this; it will hit the market running tomorrow. From iocc@ggaweb.ch Fri Oct 05 06:06:55 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Idk59-00052z-Ol for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 06:06:55 -0400 Received: from [85.108.175.151] (helo=htihnnw) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Idk52-00078w-5P for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 06:06:49 -0400 Received: from ynd ([177.76.169.234]) by htihnnw (8.13.3/8.13.3) with SMTP id l95ABFP8061782; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:11:15 +0300 Message-ID: <47060C9C.2020102@ggaweb.ch> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:06:20 +0300 From: User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: Wake up early tomorrow Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 FRLE making huge climb, UP 31.5% Fearless International Inc. (FRLE) $0.25 UP 31.82 % 31% increase in share prices is what we call serious waves. We can see the potential this has for exploding on Friday, the stage is set for it. Be ready to get in early, this will take off at open. From luis_alfre@eurokreslo.ru Sat Oct 06 19:40:01 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IeJFZ-0002pl-3e for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 19:40:01 -0400 Received: from [201.201.12.126] (helo=ufwcj) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IeJFS-0001uU-Al for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 19:39:56 -0400 Received: from ppx ([34.144.129.239]) by ufwcj with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sat, 6 Oct 2007 17:39:12 -0600 Message-ID: <47081CA0.1030008@eurokreslo.ru> Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 17:39:12 -0600 From: User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: Weekend trip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08e48e05374109708c00c6208b534009 Heavy trading has investors moving on Fearless. FEARLESS INTL INC (f R l E) $0.21 Things are heating up for FRLE as word hits the street. You will see just how big this goes next week. We're going places with FRLE on Monday. From university_of_new_england@wchd.org Sun Oct 07 06:21:20 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IeTGC-0003kK-P9 for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 06:21:20 -0400 Received: from cqn153.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl ([83.31.245.153]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IeTG4-00037G-9n for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 06:21:18 -0400 Received: from ipvta ([135.209.121.148]) by cqn153.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl (8.13.2/8.13.2) with SMTP id l97AMma6072226; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 12:22:48 +0200 Message-ID: <000501c808cb$a8ac0c10$9479d187@ipvta> From: To: Subject: Re: your decision Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 12:20:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4131.1600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4131.1600 X-Spam-Score: 3.8 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 FRLE makes dreams come true for boaters and investors alike. Fearless International Inc. (F R l e) $0.21 Fearless International goes into over drive as Market makers move in to grab their piece. This coming week will be huge for investors. Join the frenzy, FRLE is moving Monday. From bencole@ut.com Sun Oct 07 20:03:13 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ieg5Z-0003D2-77 for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 20:03:13 -0400 Received: from pd95ec7d9.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.94.199.217]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ieg5O-0004Xw-PV for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 20:03:09 -0400 Received: from [43.64.31.66] (helo=wzz) by pD95EC7D9.dip.t-dialin.net with smtp (Exim 4.62 (FreeBSD)) id 1J@g9P-0006bK-Ad; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 02:07:11 +0200 Message-ID: <47097396.8060101@ut.com> Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 02:02:30 +0200 From: User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: The next big one. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 2.1 (++) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 Big news hitting street this week. FEARLESS INTL INC (F R L E) Current: $0.21 We are placing FRLE on high alert for this week. Last weeks heavy trading and price spiking has certainly brought it to our attention. Now there are rumors there will be a huge news release this week and we can feel this one building for Monday. What ever you get done on Monday morning, make sure FRLE is on the top of your list. From gauravpandit2000@agf-allianz.com.ar Mon Oct 08 07:38:13 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ieqw9-0001NY-IS for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 07:38:13 -0400 Received: from [122.163.65.165] (helo=ABTS-NCR-Dynamic-165.65.163.122.airtelbroadband.in) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ieqw1-0003d2-OG for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 07:38:07 -0400 Received: from zbe ([130.158.225.212]) by ABTS-NCR-Dynamic-165.65.163.122.airtelbroadband.in with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 8 Oct 2007 17:06:56 +0530 Message-ID: <001401c8099f$8829a5e0$d4e19e82@zbe> From: To: Subject: No games, just free games. Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 17:06:56 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 2.8 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 0f1ff0b0158b41ac6b9548d0972cdd31 FUN FUN FUN, 1000 way to have fun, all for free. http://87.207.191.66/ From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Mon Oct 08 09:59:36 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iet8y-0008Ao-Et for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 09:59:36 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iet8w-0000Bj-6o for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 09:59:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Iet15-000O2v-Du for netconf-data@psg.com; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 13:51:27 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, USER_IN_ALL_SPAM_TO autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [198.152.13.100] (helo=co300216-co-outbound.avaya.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Iet14-000O2b-2K for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 13:51:26 +0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,242,1188792000"; d="scan'208";a="72779864" Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.14]) by co300216-co-outbound.avaya.com with ESMTP; 08 Oct 2007 09:51:24 -0400 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: FW: Last Call: draft-levin-mmusic-xml-media-control (XML Schema for Media Control) to Informational RFC Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 15:50:36 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Last Call: draft-levin-mmusic-xml-media-control (XML Schema for Media Control) to Informational RFC Thread-Index: AcgJsRpbDreR7GQPTXueFjm/CQA3/gAAO16A From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: , Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: a7d6aff76b15f3f56fcb94490e1052e4 =20 I think that folks in the OPS Area and NECONF may want to have a look at this proposal and comment if necessary.=20 Dan =20 -----Original Message----- From: The IESG [mailto:iesg-secretary@ietf.org]=20 Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 3:30 PM To: IETF-Announce Subject: Last Call: draft-levin-mmusic-xml-media-control (XML Schema for Media Control) to Informational RFC=20 The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'XML Schema for Media Control ' as an Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. 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Title : NETCONF access control profile for XACML Author(s) : L. Seitz, E. Rissanen Filename : draft-seitz-netconf-xacml-02.txt Pages : 42 Date : 2007-10-5 =09 The NETCONF remote network configuration protocol currently lacks an access control model. The need for such a model has been recognised within the NETCONF working group. The eXtended Access Control Markup Language (XACML) is an XML-based access control standard, with widespread acceptance from the industry and good open-source support. This document proposes a profile that defines how to use XACML to provide fine-grain access control for NETCONF commands. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-seitz-netconf-xacml-02.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to=20 i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of=20 the message.=20 You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce=20 to change your subscription settings. 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Mon, 08 Oct 2007 16:57:41 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [198.152.71.100] (helo=de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IevvG-000GKn-Lt for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 16:57:39 +0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,243,1188792000"; d="scan'208";a="64273662" Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.14]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 08 Oct 2007 12:57:31 -0400 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: RE: Conclusion: notification-09 consensus points Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 18:56:49 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <470522AB.6030909@andybierman.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Conclusion: notification-09 consensus points Thread-Index: AcgGrO+Nlj2awbwlQFqRBu/CZ3HVsgDHua+w References: <46FD2D87.3030905@andybierman.com> <470522AB.6030909@andybierman.com> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Andy Bierman" , "Netconf WG" Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 =20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org=20 > [mailto:owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Andy Bierman > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:28 PM > After that, a final 3 week WGLC will be held=20 > to identify any new issues only. >=20 > Andy >=20 I suggest that you make clear in the Last Call announcement that the focus o the review should be on changes since the version of the I-D that was last-called, and also help the readers and reviewers with a log section in the document detailing these changes.=20 Dan -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Tue Oct 09 00:02:34 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1If6Ik-0002Ja-R3 for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; 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Check us out. http://89.178.214.232/ From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Tue Oct 09 18:10:30 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfNHa-000735-8G for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 18:10:30 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfNHR-00069Y-1w for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 18:10:27 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IfNAK-000Gap-Vr for netconf-data@psg.com; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 22:03:00 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, USER_IN_ALL_SPAM_TO autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [193.55.95.1] (helo=sp.isima.fr) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IfNAI-000GaS-83 for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 22:03:00 +0000 Received: from www.isima.fr (www-data@www.isima.fr [193.55.95.79]) by sp.isima.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) with SMTP id AAA331954 ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:00:03 +0100 Received: from 86.66.211.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user badra) by www.isima.fr with HTTP; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:04:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <62449.86.66.211.116.1191967487.squirrel@www.isima.fr> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:04:47 +0200 (CEST) Subject: NETCONF over TLS document (Proposed Re-charting of NETCONF WG) From: badra@isima.fr To: ngo@ietf.org, netconf@ops.ietf.org Cc: ietf@andybierman.com, dromasca@avaya.com, simon@switch.ch User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: f607d15ccc2bc4eaf3ade8ffa8af02a0 [Apologies for multiple reception] Dear all, I submitted a new version of "NETCONF over TLS" that (Staging URL: http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/staging/draft-badra-tls-netconf-04.txt): a) includes comments from Eric Rescorla since I asked Eric to review the document (his comments are given below). Thanks Eric. b) supports the Notification draft (the elements are also mentioned). As the NETCONF WG re-chartering is discussed right now and since some documents are currently not considered in scope for re-charting at this time, I’d hope there will be consensus to take on the document and I'd like to have more comments and discussion on the document for adoption as WG item. Best regards, Badra ===== Eric Rescorla review ===== $Id: draft-badra-tls-netconf-03-rev.txt,v 1.1 2007/10/08 16:31:02 ekr Exp $ This draft seems conceptually sound. That said, the NETCONF WG made a deliberate decision to use SSH rather than TLS. I don't fully understand why they made that decision, but I wonder how receptive they are going to be to a TLS proposal. I see a bunch of SHOULDs that really should be MUSTs. In particular, TLS requires clarity about which side is which, so in S 2.1. where you talk about which side is the client and which the server, these should be MUST. When a party has received the close_notify alert from the other party and still has pending data to send, it SHOULD send the pending data before sending the close_notify alert. This violates RFC 4346: Unless some other fatal alert has been transmitted, each party is required to send a close_notify alert before closing the write side of the connection. The other party MUST respond with a close_notify alert of its own and close down the connection immediately, discarding any pending writes. It is not required for the initiator of the close to wait for the responding close_notify alert before closing the read side of the connection. ISTM that the security considerations here could use some work. What are the security guarantees required, esp. for upper-level authentication. ===== The review end===== -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Thu Oct 11 13:57:21 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ig2Hh-0002aL-EZ for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:57:21 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ig2Hf-0005LQ-Ex for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:57:21 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ig2Ak-000FYz-5H for netconf-data@psg.com; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:50:10 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, USER_IN_ALL_SPAM_TO autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [198.152.71.100] (helo=de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ig2Ah-000FXx-DA for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:50:08 +0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,260,1188792000"; d="url'?txt'208?scan'208,208";a="65096785" Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.14]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 11 Oct 2007 13:50:05 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C80C2F.0EC8312B" Subject: FW: I-D ACTION:draft-badra-tls-netconf-04.txt Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 19:49:18 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: I-D ACTION:draft-badra-tls-netconf-04.txt Thread-Index: AcgMI8LxbmJMSS9QSsaly5zLzvstJAAC0OyQ From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Netconf WG" , Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 36c793b20164cfe75332aa66ddb21196 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C80C2F.0EC8312B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org [mailto:Internet-Drafts@ietf.org]=20 Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 6:15 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-badra-tls-netconf-04.txt=20 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : NETCONF over TLS Author(s) : M. Badra Filename : draft-badra-tls-netconf-04.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2007-10-11 =09 The NETCONF configuration protocol provides mechanisms to install,=20 manipulate, and delete the configuration of network devices. This=20 document describes how to use TLS to secure NETCONF exchanges. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-badra-tls-netconf-04.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to=20 i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of=20 the message.=20 You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce=20 to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the=20 username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After=20 logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then=20 "get draft-badra-tls-netconf-04.txt". 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Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:58:33 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, USER_IN_ALL_SPAM_TO autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [198.152.12.100] (helo=nj300815-nj-outbound.avaya.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IgGRG-000Gfa-Jt for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:04:11 +0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,265,1188792000"; d="scan'208";a="69749626" Received: from 14.140.8.135.in-addr.arpa (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.14]) by nj300815-nj-outbound.avaya.com with ESMTP; 12 Oct 2007 05:03:57 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: YANG mail list Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:03:56 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: YANG mail list Thread-Index: AcgMrtGcNM4qEKNsRsSWEJt6aYv3PQ== From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: , "Netconf WG" , , Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 We have created the YANG mail list - yang@ietf.org.=20 This list discusses proposals for a data modeling language for NETCONF based on the YANG proposal.=20 All interested in this topic please subscribe.=20 Dan =20 -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Fri Oct 12 09:05:33 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgKCr-0005cm-U5 for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:05:33 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgKCq-00039w-NI for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:05:33 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IgK6k-00091F-0b for netconf-data@psg.com; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:59:14 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, USER_IN_ALL_SPAM_TO autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [193.180.251.62] (helo=mailgw4.ericsson.se) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IgHcJ-000M4w-HU for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:19:40 +0000 Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 3D4A120270; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:19:37 +0200 (CEST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3e-b0835bb0000007e1-22-470f4a396c5e Received: from esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.124]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 2127C201EE; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:19:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.171]) by esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:19:36 +0200 Received: from selic023.lmera.ericsson.se ([150.132.106.223]) by esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:19:36 +0200 From: David Partain Organization: Ericsson AB To: ops-area@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPS-AREA] YANG mail list Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:19:35 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 Cc: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , "Netconf WG" , ngo@ietf.org, netconfmodel@lists.nortel.com, yang@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200710121219.35778.david.partain@ericsson.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2007 10:19:36.0992 (UTC) FILETIME=[6437CA00:01C80CB9] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 On Friday 12 October 2007 11.03.56 Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > We have created the YANG mail list - yang@ietf.org. > > This list discusses proposals for a data modeling language for NETCONF > based on the YANG proposal. > > All interested in this topic please subscribe. Greetings, This maintains Dan's cross-posting, but perhaps responses should go to the yang list. Just to provide some context here, since this may seem a bit out-of-the-blue... I believe that there needs to be immediate and comprehensive work on a modeling language for NETCONF. In fact, I believe that so strongly that I've been working with a group of people on putting together a proposal to fill exactly that hole. It's well known now that our proposal (currently called YANG) has been under development since this last spring and that we have proposed a BOF about it in Vancouver. The preliminary BOF proposal has been sent to our ADs and the draft will be available before too long (no later than the -00 cutoff :-)). Stay tuned... Cheers, David -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Fri Oct 12 10:50:47 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgLqh-0007ox-2k for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:50:47 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgLqa-0000DK-Qf for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:50:42 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IgLjr-000Je2-Eq for netconf-data@psg.com; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:43:43 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [69.147.64.95] (helo=smtp122.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) by psg.com with smtp (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IgLjk-000Jd1-Q9 for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:43:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 98490 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2007 14:43:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (andybierman@att.net@76.195.159.89 with plain) by smtp122.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2007 14:43:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WYfPxVgVM1nUhDpdhq91H9nC6A6JRwxFXPaHQqJsXh4__DVM Message-ID: <470F8815.5030405@andybierman.com> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:43:33 -0700 From: Andy Bierman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Netconf (E-mail)" Subject: binary params Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 Hi, IMO, all the binary clauses (some yes/no, some true/false) are really confusing. They actually make the DML more complicated, not less complicated, as intended. There are too many on/off knobs that interact with each other, and create many illegal combinations (read CLRs). I will review the latest draft over the weekend and see if I have more specific suggestions. I prefer enumerated values like: max-access none/read-only/read-write/read-create; rather than the boolean style: read-allowed yes/no; write-allowed yes/no; create-allowed yes/no; IMO, it is more descriptive and less complicated. This is subjective, I realize, but the fewer knobs the better. Ask Steve Jobs. He knows. ;-) Andy -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Fri Oct 12 11:29:32 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgMSC-0008PV-OF for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:29:32 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgMSB-0001iv-I1 for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:29:32 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IgMJr-000OIG-Np for netconf-data@psg.com; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:20:55 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [68.142.198.204] (helo=smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) by psg.com with smtp (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IgMJl-000OHn-37 for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:20:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 94079 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2007 15:20:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (andybierman@att.net@76.195.159.89 with plain) by smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2007 15:20:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 9PiB9iUVM1kcbLOzEOJnLgZwsuWdKGccC50IxD_Cx730Ug9wvxSv5bDjMMsOv1PqDO3O5AinnTU6uwHCt7_HOwXaCQ-- Message-ID: <470F90CF.1080503@andybierman.com> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:20:47 -0700 From: Andy Bierman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Netconf (E-mail)" Subject: Re: binary params References: <470F8815.5030405@andybierman.com> In-Reply-To: <470F8815.5030405@andybierman.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 Andy Bierman wrote: Sorry, I sent this to the wrong list. Should have gone to a private list. Andy > Hi, > > IMO, all the binary clauses (some yes/no, some true/false) > are really confusing. They actually make the DML more complicated, > not less complicated, as intended. There are too many on/off > knobs that interact with each other, and create many illegal > combinations (read CLRs). I will review the latest draft > over the weekend and see if I have more specific suggestions. > > I prefer enumerated values like: > > max-access none/read-only/read-write/read-create; > > rather than the boolean style: > > read-allowed yes/no; > write-allowed yes/no; > create-allowed yes/no; > > IMO, it is more descriptive and less complicated. > This is subjective, I realize, but the fewer knobs the better. > Ask Steve Jobs. He knows. ;-) > > Andy > > > > > -- > to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with > the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. > archive: > > -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Sat Oct 13 14:55:46 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Igm9K-0002cY-8D for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 14:55:46 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Igm9J-0006uU-1B for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 14:55:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Igm0v-000Can-HR for netconf-data@psg.com; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 18:47:05 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, USER_IN_ALL_SPAM_TO autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [135.245.0.37] (helo=ihemail3.lucent.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IgdyE-000CLc-Bj for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 10:11:52 +0000 Received: from ilexp01.ndc.lucent.com (h135-3-39-1.lucent.com [135.3.39.1]) by ihemail3.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id l9DABWLp014281; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 05:11:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from DEEXP01.de.lucent.com ([135.248.187.65]) by ilexp01.ndc.lucent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 13 Oct 2007 05:11:32 -0500 Received: from DEEXC1U02.de.lucent.com ([135.248.187.29]) by DEEXP01.de.lucent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 13 Oct 2007 12:11:29 +0200 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [NGO] RE: [OPS-AREA] YANG mail list Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 12:11:25 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000301c80d35$ad3700f0$ec0c6f0a@china.huawei.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [NGO] RE: [OPS-AREA] YANG mail list Thread-Index: AcgMrtGcNM4qEKNsRsSWEJt6aYv3PQAhgNvQABMc6ZA= References: <000301c80d35$ad3700f0$ec0c6f0a@china.huawei.com> From: "WIJNEN, Bert \(Bert\)" To: "Li Yan" , "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" , , "Netconf WG" , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2007 10:11:29.0801 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C3E1790:01C80D81] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.37 Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 02ec665d00de228c50c93ed6b5e4fc1a The easiest way to subscribe is via: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang I had to look around a bit before I found it. And I am actually pretty familiar with the way ietf mlists are maintained. SO I figured the pointer might save some of you some time. Bert Wijnen =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Li Yan [mailto:liyan_77@huawei.com]=20 > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 3:09 AM > To: 'Romascanu, Dan (Dan)'; ops-area@ietf.org; 'Netconf WG';=20 > ngo@ietf.org; netconfmodel@lists.nortel.com > Subject: [NGO] RE: [OPS-AREA] YANG mail list >=20 > Hi, > How to subscribe the YANG mailing list? Provide the link of=20 > subscribing please. >=20 > Yan > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com] > > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 5:04 PM > > To: ops-area@ietf.org; Netconf WG; ngo@ietf.org;=20 > > netconfmodel@lists.nortel.com > > Subject: [OPS-AREA] YANG mail list > >=20 > > We have created the YANG mail list - yang@ietf.org. > >=20 > > This list discusses proposals for a data modeling language=20 > for NETCONF=20 > > based on the YANG proposal. > >=20 > > All interested in this topic please subscribe. > >=20 > > Dan > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > OPS-AREA mailing list > > OPS-AREA@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > NGO mailing list > NGO@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ngo >=20 -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From sandiaz12@guldborgsund.dk Sat Oct 13 15:33:28 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Igmjo-0002l1-6Z for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 15:33:28 -0400 Received: from 088156065007.bsk.vectranet.pl ([88.156.65.7]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Igmjk-00082w-ON for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 15:33:26 -0400 Received: from vdnw ([24.110.137.98]) by 088156065007.bsk.vectranet.pl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:33:08 +0200 Message-ID: <47111D74.5000008@guldborgsund.dk> Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:33:08 +0200 From: User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: check this out Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 PPYH Moves On HK Real Estate Market. 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From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Mon Oct 15 15:39:07 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IhVmN-0006aq-Eu for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:39:07 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IhVmG-0000vn-7v for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:39:07 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IhVTW-000E9h-KE for netconf-data@psg.com; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:19:38 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE, RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [47.140.192.56] (helo=zrtps0kp.nortel.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IhVTP-000E86-8g for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:19:35 +0000 Received: from zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com (zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com [47.129.230.99]) by zrtps0kp.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id l9FJJO511656 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:19:24 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C80F60.42ABF98E" Subject: Netconf Notifications: Pre-release (2) of -10 Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:19:08 -0400 Message-ID: <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4114DA263@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Netconf Notifications: Pre-release (2) of -10 thread-index: AcgPYEI8lVfTu3RXTp2XZvMrVA1clw== From: "Sharon Chisholm" To: Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 255895d3c7a05ec61d26f00794d2c567 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C80F60.42ABF98E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Attached is a pre-release of version -10 of the Netconf Notifications draft. 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(CEST) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:20:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20071015.222050.59036151.mbj@tail-f.com> To: schishol@nortel.com Cc: netconf@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: Netconf Notifications: Pre-release (2) of -10 From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4114DA263@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> References: <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4114DA263@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 5.1.51 on Emacs 22.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 52e1467c2184c31006318542db5614d5 Hi, I have two comments: In section 2.1.1: > If a is requested which is earlier then the current > time, the following error is returned: s/earlier/later/ ---------- In section 6.5: > 6.5. Modifications to Existing Operations > > When a is sent while another subscription is > active on that session, the following error will be returned: > > Tag: operation-failed > > Error-type: rpc, protocol, application Error-type should probably be just 'protocol'. /martin -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From migma71@ambujarealty.com Wed Oct 17 06:22:24 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ii62i-0008HU-JQ for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:22:24 -0400 Received: from [87.224.87.118] (helo=87-224-87-118.spitfireuk.net) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ii62d-0005zz-4r for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:22:20 -0400 Received: from wnfg ([128.186.189.90]) by 87-224-87-118.spitfireuk.net (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id l9HAQ3L3005193; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:26:03 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01c810a7$8bf91980$5abdba80@wnfg> From: To: Subject: Now this is something you can't miss Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:21:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4131.1600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4131.1600 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c EXTO Rocked Canada, Now Ready To Attack US Market. 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From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Wed Oct 17 16:24:04 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IiFQL-0004J2-9j for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:23:25 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IiFQG-0002ak-3H for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:23:21 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IiFIK-000BMZ-6g for netconf-data@psg.com; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:15:08 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-201.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, USER_IN_ALL_SPAM_TO,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [156.154.16.158] (helo=ns0.neustar.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IiFIH-000BKu-HA for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:15:06 +0000 Received: from stiedprstage1.ietf.org (stiedprstage1.va.neustar.com [10.31.47.10]) by ns0.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B9A032980; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:15:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ietf by stiedprstage1.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IiFIE-0004CQ-6z; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:15:02 -0400 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: netconf@ops.ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-netconf-notification-10.txt Message-Id: Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:15:02 -0400 Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: f66b12316365a3fe519e75911daf28a8 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration Working Group of the IETF. Title : NETCONF Event Notifications Author(s) : H. Trevino, S. Chisholm Filename : draft-ietf-netconf-notification-10.txt Pages : 46 Date : 2007-10-17 This document defines mechanisms that provide an asynchronous message notification delivery service for the NETCONF protocol. This is an optional capability built on top of the base NETCONF definition. This document defines the capabilities and operations necessary to support this service. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-10.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-netconf-notification-10.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-10.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2007-10-17150011.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-10.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-netconf-notification-10.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2007-10-17150011.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From docmoore@coolking.com Thu Oct 18 05:20:04 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IiRXv-0007ZU-UX for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 05:20:03 -0400 Received: from [88.224.21.128] (helo=dsl88-244-5504.ttnet.net.tr) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IiRXo-00089M-9R for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 05:19:57 -0400 Received: (qmail 11318 invoked from network); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:19:14 +0300 Received: from unknown (HELO eejoc) (213.25.114.25) by dsl88-244-5504.ttnet.net.tr with SMTP; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:19:14 +0300 Message-ID: <000801c81167$f3588eb0$197219d5@eejoc> From: To: Subject: are you gonna install this or what Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:19:14 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 01485d64dfa90b45a74269b3ca9d5574 Check it out man. This thing just hit the net last week. I can see over 2 million users on already. http://66.31.113.211/ From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Thu Oct 18 12:00:16 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IiXnE-0004II-5J for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:00:16 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IiXnA-0006oE-Qv for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:00:16 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IiXcf-000PCB-MT for netconf-data@psg.com; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:49:21 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [69.147.64.92] (helo=smtp119.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) by psg.com with smtp (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IiXcc-000PBb-MJ for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:49:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 40643 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2007 15:49:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (andybierman@att.net@76.195.159.89 with plain) by smtp119.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2007 15:49:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: E8xmKFYVM1kmYmPro1hzgfNHh_jd2LHnU5ic83Qy0XJJONU8PwIgA0fOxXGnhYEvioXljKT0jtZRVAg.o19jSjRP Message-ID: <47178079.7010707@andybierman.com> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:49:13 -0700 From: Andy Bierman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Netconf (E-mail)" Subject: Begin 3 week WGLC: draft-ietf-netconf-notification-10.txt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Hi, The NETCONF WG has completed work on the Notifications draft. WG participants are urged to review the draft for any new and unresolved issues. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-10.txt This update addresses all the comments and bug-fixes that have been discussed on the WG mailing list. Please send all comments to before November 8. 2007. Only new issues related to this draft will be considered. thanks, Andy -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Fri Oct 19 03:44:21 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IimWr-0002TW-7f for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 03:44:21 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IimWp-0002Ot-Ub for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 03:44:21 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IimNu-000JRi-8Q for netconf-data@psg.com; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 07:35:06 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, USER_IN_ALL_SPAM_TO autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [193.180.251.62] (helo=mailgw4.ericsson.se) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IimNr-000JQv-C2 for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 07:35:04 +0000 Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 9188A2054A; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:35:01 +0200 (CEST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3e-af032bb0000007e1-7c-47185e2549cd Received: from esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.121]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 72C6220FCD; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:35:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.170]) by esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:35:01 +0200 Received: from [159.107.198.61] ([159.107.198.61]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:35:00 +0200 Message-ID: <47185E22.9000904@ericsson.com> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:34:58 +0200 From: Balazs Lengyel User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" CC: Netconf WG , ngo@ietf.org Subject: Re: [NGO] FW: I-D ACTION:draft-badra-tls-netconf-04.txt References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2007 07:35:00.0946 (UTC) FILETIME=[8E870320:01C81222] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 73734d43604d52d23b3eba644a169745 Chapter 3.2) Client Id checking must be solved. I think this is a big problem. Balazs Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org [mailto:Internet-Drafts@ietf.org] > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 6:15 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-badra-tls-netconf-04.txt > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > > Title : NETCONF over TLS > Author(s) : M. Badra > Filename : draft-badra-tls-netconf-04.txt > Pages : 7 > Date : 2007-10-11 > > The NETCONF configuration protocol provides mechanisms to install, > manipulate, and delete the configuration of network devices. This > document describes how to use TLS to secure NETCONF exchanges. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-badra-tls-netconf-04.txt > > To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to > i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of > the message. > You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce > to change your subscription settings. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the > username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After > logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then > "get draft-badra-tls-netconf-04.txt". > > A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in > http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. > > Send a message to: > mailserv@ietf.org. > In the body type: > "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-badra-tls-netconf-04.txt". > > NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in > MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this > feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" > command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or > a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail > readers > exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with > "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split > up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on > how to manipulate these messages. > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > Internet-Draft. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > NGO mailing list > NGO@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ngo -- Balazs Lengyel Ericsson Hungary Ltd. TSP System Manager ECN: 831 7320 Fax: +36 1 4377792 Tel: +36-1-437-7320 email: Balazs.Lengyel@ericsson.com -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Mon Oct 22 03:42:19 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IjrvX-00069q-Np for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 03:42:19 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IjrvX-0005au-3q for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 03:42:19 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IjrlD-000FVa-ND for netconf-data@psg.com; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:31:39 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [198.152.71.100] (helo=de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IjrlA-000FV4-DA for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:31:38 +0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,309,1188792000"; d="url'?txt'208?scan'208,208";a="67620653" Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.14]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 22 Oct 2007 03:31:32 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8147D.767A34F1" Subject: FW: I-D ACTION:draft-iijima-netconf-soap-implementation-03.txt Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:30:46 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: I-D ACTION:draft-iijima-netconf-soap-implementation-03.txt Thread-Index: AcgSdMJCcRzkjlJoT2G10FULMPYfaACBvwFA From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Netconf WG" Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 22bbb45ef41b733eb2d03ee71ece8243 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8147D.767A34F1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This I-D brings important deployment information. It needs some more work, for example to decide what to do with Section 4, but it may be worth considering its publication as Informational RFC. What are the authors intentions with this work? We can use the process described in http://www.ietf.org/IESG/content/ions/ion-ad-sponsoring.html. Other opinions?=20 Dan =20 -----Original Message----- From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org [mailto:Internet-Drafts@ietf.org]=20 Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 7:15 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-iijima-netconf-soap-implementation-03.txt=20 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Experience of implementing NETCONF over SOAP Author(s) : I. Tomoyuki, et al. Filename : draft-iijima-netconf-soap-implementation-03.txt Pages : 15 Date : 2007-10-19 =09 NETCONF protocol is standardized to be exchanged over SSH, SOAP, or BEEP. We developed a network management system based on NETCONF protocol. For several reasons, we chose the SOAP protocol as a transport protocol of NETCONF. This document describes why we chose SOAP as a transport protocol and the insight gained from actual development. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iijima-netconf-soap-implementa tion-03.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to=20 i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of=20 the message.=20 You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce=20 to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the=20 username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After=20 logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then=20 "get draft-iijima-netconf-soap-implementation-03.txt". 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I was thinking about hearing your opinion at the next IETF meeting about how we should go on with this document. We'd like to make a contributution to the NETCONF by making this work adopted as an informational RFC. And when Mr. Okita, co-author of this document, presented this I-D at the Chicago meeting, I felt that Andy made a supporting comment. So, we'd appreciate if this document could be "AD-Sponsored". Of course, I know more volume, especially in section 4, is necessary. Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > This I-D brings important deployment information. It needs some more > work, for example to decide what to do with Section 4, but it may be > worth considering its publication as Informational RFC. What are the > authors intentions with this work? We can use the process described in > http://www.ietf.org/IESG/content/ions/ion-ad-sponsoring.html. Other > opinions? > > Dan > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org [mailto:Internet-Drafts@ietf.org] > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 7:15 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-iijima-netconf-soap-implementation-03.txt > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > > Title : Experience of implementing NETCONF over SOAP > Author(s) : I. Tomoyuki, et al. > Filename : > draft-iijima-netconf-soap-implementation-03.txt > Pages : 15 > Date : 2007-10-19 > > NETCONF protocol is standardized to be exchanged over SSH, SOAP, or > BEEP. We developed a network management system based on NETCONF > protocol. For several reasons, we chose the SOAP protocol as a > transport protocol of NETCONF. This document describes why we chose > SOAP as a transport protocol and the insight gained from actual > development. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iijima-netconf-soap-implementa > tion-03.txt > > To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to > i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of > the message. > You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce > to change your subscription settings. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the > username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After > logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then > "get draft-iijima-netconf-soap-implementation-03.txt". > > A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in > http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. > > Send a message to: > mailserv@ietf.org. > In the body type: > "FILE > /internet-drafts/draft-iijima-netconf-soap-implementation-03.txt". > > NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in > MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this > feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" > command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or > a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail > readers > exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with > "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split > up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on > how to manipulate these messages. > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > Internet-Draft. > -- Tomoyuki Iijima Hitachi, Ltd. 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From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Mon Oct 22 05:49:02 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IjtuA-0002TC-Ho for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 05:49:02 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ijtu9-0007MV-8Y for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 05:49:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ijtmu-000PJx-Du for netconf-data@psg.com; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:41:32 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [193.55.95.1] (helo=sp.isima.fr) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ijtmm-000PJP-GX for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:41:30 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (pc158.isima.fr [193.55.95.158]) by sp.isima.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) with ESMTP id LAA794852 ; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:38:38 +0100 Message-ID: <471C7019.5040602@isima.fr> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:40:41 +0200 From: Mohamad Badra User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Balazs Lengyel CC: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , Netconf WG Subject: Re: [NGO] FW: I-D ACTION:draft-badra-tls-netconf-04.txt References: <47185E22.9000904@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <47185E22.9000904@ericsson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 6d95a152022472c7d6cdf886a0424dc6 Dear Balazs and all, Below a part of text I posted on the NGO mailing list, your comments are welcome... If the server authenticates a client using certificate, the server MUST validate the certificate and check the client identity. The general algorithm described RFC4642 can be used for the client certificate validation. The client identity handled through its certificate MUST be verified and authenticated by the server according to local policy before any configuration or state data is sent to or received from the server. The client identity could be considered to be the Common Name field in the X.509 v3 certificate or any of the fields in the AlternativeName extension defined in RFC3280. In this latter case, defined options include, among others, an Internet electronic mail address, a DNS name, an IP address, MAC, or a uniform resource identifier (URI) (RFC2459 section 4.2.1.7). Multiple name forms, and multiple instances of each name form, may be included. Note: The local policy is not addressed in the document. Best regards, Badra Balazs Lengyel a écrit : > Chapter 3.2) Client Id checking must be solved. I think this is a big > problem. > Balazs > > Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org [mailto:Internet-Drafts@ietf.org] Sent: >> Thursday, October 11, 2007 6:15 PM >> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org >> Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-badra-tls-netconf-04.txt >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >> directories. >> >> >> Title : NETCONF over TLS >> Author(s) : M. Badra >> Filename : draft-badra-tls-netconf-04.txt >> Pages : 7 >> Date : 2007-10-11 >> >> The NETCONF configuration protocol provides mechanisms to install, >> manipulate, and delete the configuration of network devices. This >> document describes how to use TLS to secure NETCONF exchanges. >> >> A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-badra-tls-netconf-04.txt >> >> To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to >> i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of >> the message. You can also visit >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your >> subscription settings. >> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the >> username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After >> logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get >> draft-badra-tls-netconf-04.txt". >> >> A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in >> http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt >> >> Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. >> >> Send a message to: >> mailserv@ietf.org. >> In the body type: >> "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-badra-tls-netconf-04.txt". >> >> NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in >> MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this >> feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" >> command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or >> a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail >> readers >> exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with >> "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split >> up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on >> how to manipulate these messages. >> >> Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader >> implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the >> Internet-Draft. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NGO mailing list >> NGO@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ngo -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Mon Oct 22 05:52:34 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ijtxa-0005YG-84 for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 05:52:34 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IjtxY-0007VW-Ub for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 05:52:34 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ijtqw-000Pj5-5F for netconf-data@psg.com; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:45:42 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, USER_IN_ALL_SPAM_TO autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [198.152.71.100] (helo=de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ijtqt-000Pgz-55 for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:45:40 +0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,310,1188792000"; d="scan'208";a="67644874" Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.14]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 22 Oct 2007 05:45:38 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [NGO] FW: I-D ACTION:draft-badra-tls-netconf-04.txt Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:44:54 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <471C7019.5040602@isima.fr> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [NGO] FW: I-D ACTION:draft-badra-tls-netconf-04.txt Thread-Index: AcgUj71kkXTvPspjTg+D7AN3HA5eTQAADd2Q References: <47185E22.9000904@ericsson.com> <471C7019.5040602@isima.fr> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Mohamad Badra" , "Balazs Lengyel" Cc: "Netconf WG" , Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 36b1f8810cb91289d885dc8ab4fc8172 I would encourage this discussion to happen on the ngo list, together = with the rest of the discussions of the new netconf charter. We want to = leave the netconf list focus on discussions about the completion of the = current charter until the re-chartering of the WG is approved.=20 Dan =20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Mohamad Badra [mailto:badra@isima.fr]=20 > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 11:41 AM > To: Balazs Lengyel > Cc: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); Netconf WG > Subject: Re: [NGO] FW: I-D ACTION:draft-badra-tls-netconf-04.txt >=20 > Dear Balazs and all, >=20 > Below a part of text I posted on the NGO mailing list, your=20 > comments are welcome... >=20 > If the server authenticates a client using certificate, the=20 > server MUST validate the certificate and check the client=20 > identity. The general algorithm described RFC4642 can be used=20 > for the client certificate validation. The client identity=20 > handled through its certificate MUST be verified and=20 > authenticated by the server according to local policy before=20 > any configuration or state data is sent to or received from=20 > the server. >=20 > The client identity could be considered to be the Common Name=20 > field in the X.509 v3 certificate or any of the fields in the=20 > AlternativeName extension defined in RFC3280. In this latter=20 > case, defined options include, among others, an Internet=20 > electronic mail address, a DNS name, an IP address, MAC, or a=20 > uniform resource identifier (URI) (RFC2459 section 4.2.1.7).=20 > Multiple name forms, and multiple instances of each name=20 > form, may be included. >=20 > Note: The local policy is not addressed in the document. >=20 > Best regards, > Badra >=20 > Balazs Lengyel a =E9crit : > > Chapter 3.2) Client Id checking must be solved. I think=20 > this is a big=20 > > problem. > > Balazs > >=20 > > Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > >> =20 > >> > >> > >> =20 > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org=20 > [mailto:Internet-Drafts@ietf.org] Sent:=20 > >> Thursday, October 11, 2007 6:15 PM > >> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > >> Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-badra-tls-netconf-04.txt > >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts=20 > >> directories. > >> > >> > >> Title : NETCONF over TLS > >> Author(s) : M. Badra > >> Filename : draft-badra-tls-netconf-04.txt > >> Pages : 7 > >> Date : 2007-10-11 > >> =20 > >> The NETCONF configuration protocol provides mechanisms to=20 > install, =20 > >> manipulate, and delete the configuration of network=20 > devices. This =20 > >> document describes how to use TLS to secure NETCONF exchanges. > >> > >> A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-badra-tls-netconf-04.txt > >> > >> To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a=20 > message to=20 > >> i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in=20 > the body=20 > >> of the message. You can also visit=20 > >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your=20 > >> subscription settings. > >> > >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login=20 > with the=20 > >> username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After=20 > >> logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get=20 > >> draft-badra-tls-netconf-04.txt". > >> > >> A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in=20 > >> http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or=20 > >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > >> > >> Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. > >> > >> Send a message to: > >> mailserv@ietf.org. > >> In the body type: > >> "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-badra-tls-netconf-04.txt". > >> =20 > >> NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in > >> MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this > >> feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" > >> command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or > >> a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail=20 > >> readers > >> exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with > >> "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split > >> up into multiple messages), so check your local=20 > documentation on > >> how to manipulate these messages. > >> > >> Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader=20 > >> implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the=20 > >> Internet-Draft. > >> > >> > >>=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> --- > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NGO mailing list > >> NGO@ietf.org > >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ngo >=20 -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Mon Oct 22 08:20:08 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IjwFW-0003Ht-9P for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:19:15 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IjwFK-00063t-HC for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:19:09 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ijw4r-000DlJ-ML for netconf-data@psg.com; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:08:13 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, USER_IN_ALL_SPAM_TO autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [198.152.12.100] (helo=nj300815-nj-outbound.avaya.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ijw4n-000Dkq-UB for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:08:11 +0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,311,1188792000"; d="scan'208";a="72386280" Received: from 14.140.8.135.in-addr.arpa (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.14]) by nj300815-nj-outbound.avaya.com with ESMTP; 22 Oct 2007 08:08:01 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: FW: I-D ACTION:draft-iijima-netconf-soap-implementation-03.txt Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:08:00 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <471C5F55.2040102@hitachi.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: FW: I-D ACTION:draft-iijima-netconf-soap-implementation-03.txt Thread-Index: AcgUhd8dYiOwWq1AQjuo/6GT/RGW9AAHe5/Q References: <471C5F55.2040102@hitachi.com> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Tomoyuki Iijima" , "Netconf WG" Cc: Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 8f374d0786b25a451ef87d82c076f593 I would indeed encourage you to continue the work on this document, and to present it at the Vancouver meeting. When you feel it is ready and complete for submission I will be glad to sponsor it as AD in order to make it an Informational RFC.=20 Dan =20 =20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org=20 > [mailto:owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tomoyuki Iijima > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 10:29 AM > To: Netconf WG > Subject: Re: FW: I-D=20 > ACTION:draft-iijima-netconf-soap-implementation-03.txt >=20 >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I'm writing this document. > I was thinking about hearing your opinion at the next IETF=20 > meeting about how we should go on with this document. We'd=20 > like to make a contributution to the NETCONF by making this=20 > work adopted as an informational RFC. And when Mr. Okita,=20 > co-author of this document, presented this I-D at the Chicago=20 > meeting, I felt that Andy made a supporting comment. >=20 > So, we'd appreciate if this document could be "AD-Sponsored".=20 > Of course, I know more volume, especially in section 4, is necessary. >=20 > Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > > This I-D brings important deployment information. It needs=20 > some more=20 > > work, for example to decide what to do with Section 4, but=20 > it may be=20 > > worth considering its publication as Informational RFC.=20 > What are the=20 > > authors intentions with this work? We can use the process=20 > described in=20 > > http://www.ietf.org/IESG/content/ions/ion-ad-sponsoring.html. Other=20 > > opinions? > >=20 > > Dan > >=20 > >=20 > > =20 > >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org [mailto:Internet-Drafts@ietf.org] > > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 7:15 PM > > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > > Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-iijima-netconf-soap-implementation-03.txt > >=20 > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts=20 > > directories. > >=20 > >=20 > > Title : Experience of implementing NETCONF over SOAP > > Author(s) : I. Tomoyuki, et al. > > Filename : > > draft-iijima-netconf-soap-implementation-03.txt > > Pages : 15 > > Date : 2007-10-19 > > =09 > > NETCONF protocol is standardized to be exchanged over SSH, SOAP, or > > BEEP. We developed a network management system based on NETCONF > > protocol. For several reasons, we chose the SOAP protocol as a > > transport protocol of NETCONF. This document describes=20 > why we chose > > SOAP as a transport protocol and the insight gained from actual > > development. > >=20 > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > >=20 > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iijima-netconf-soap-implemen > > ta > > tion-03.txt > >=20 > > To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a=20 > message to=20 > > i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in=20 > the body of=20 > > the message. > > You can also visit=20 > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce > > to change your subscription settings. > >=20 > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the=20 > > username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After=20 > > logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get=20 > > draft-iijima-netconf-soap-implementation-03.txt". > >=20 > > A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in=20 > > http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or=20 > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > >=20 > > Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. > >=20 > > Send a message to: > > mailserv@ietf.org. > > In the body type: > > "FILE > > /internet-drafts/draft-iijima-netconf-soap-implementation-03.txt". > > =09 > > NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in > > MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this > > feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" > > command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or > > a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant=20 > mail readers > > exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with > > "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split > > up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on > > how to manipulate these messages. > >=20 > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader=20 > > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the=20 > > Internet-Draft. > >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > Tomoyuki Iijima > Hitachi, Ltd. Central Research Laboratory > TEL:+81-42-323-1111 ext.3579 > FAX:+81-42-327-7868 > E-mail:tomoyuki.iijima.fg@hitachi.com >=20 >=20 > -- > to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with > the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. > archive: >=20 -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Mon Oct 22 08:51:26 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ijwkg-0006yQ-24 for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:51:26 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ijwke-0007i8-RU for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:51:26 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IjweB-000HkB-3O for netconf-data@psg.com; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:44:43 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, USER_IN_ALL_SPAM_TO autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [212.201.44.23] (helo=hermes.jacobs-university.de) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ijwe8-000Hja-L2 for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:44:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (demetrius.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9268986887; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:44:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09792-07; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:44:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.iuhb02.iu-bremen.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB1D1865A0; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:44:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 31F9D39D393; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:44:32 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:44:32 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Tomoyuki Iijima Cc: Netconf WG , ngo@ietf.org Subject: Re: [NGO] RE: FW: I-D ACTION:draft-iijima-netconf-soap-implementation-03.txt Message-ID: <20071022124432.GB28550@elstar.local> Reply-To: j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Mail-Followup-To: Tomoyuki Iijima , Netconf WG , ngo@ietf.org References: <471C5F55.2040102@hitachi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new 2.3.3 (20050822) at jacobs-university.de Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 02:08:00PM +0200, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > I would indeed encourage you to continue the work on this document, and > to present it at the Vancouver meeting. When you feel it is ready and > complete for submission I will be glad to sponsor it as AD in order to > make it an Informational RFC. Stupid question: Did you do any interoperability testing of your NETCONF over SOAP implementation? What NETCONF really needs are I think interoperability tests and test cases and such things. This would really help to ensure NETCONF engines do the same thing and the specs lead implementors to the same conclusions. And we need to find a way to deal with those things implementors found either not well described or more complex than it needs to be. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From ocy2grluydu8@yahoo.co.jp Mon Oct 22 19:38:02 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ik6qQ-00088c-H3 for NETCONF-ARCHIVE@LISTS.IETF.ORG; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:38:02 -0400 Received: from [222.172.0.15] (helo=a-net.ne.jp) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ik6qP-0005F6-KK for NETCONF-ARCHIVE@LISTS.IETF.ORG; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:38:02 -0400 Received: from aow1 (unknown [107.155.102.100]) by smtp85 (Coremail) with SMTP id rl6c32ienGMHXR77.1 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:16:59 +0800 (CST) X-Originating-IP: [107.155.102.100] Subject: =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCQ2Y7MxsoQiAbJEIwNDtSGyhC?= From: =?shift-jis?B?dGF4aSBtYWls?= To: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01C7C322.2BABEB20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 2.5 (++) X-Scan-Signature: cd3fc8e909678b38737fc606dec187f0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C7C322.2BABEB20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit $BL5Bj%I%-%e%a%s%H(B O $BA0!'Cf;3(B $B04;R(B u $B6b3[!'(B600,000 }}} $B>\:Y$O$3$A$i(B Celebrate Day. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C7C322.2BABEB20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =1B$BL5Bj%I%-%e%a%s%H=1B(B
 
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<= /TBODY> ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C7C322.2BABEB20-- From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Mon Oct 22 22:20:34 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ik9Ni-0004ZL-IC for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:20:34 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ik9Nh-0006ld-4g for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:20:33 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ik9Gv-000Pmw-5P for netconf-data@psg.com; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:13:33 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, USER_IN_ALL_SPAM_TO autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [133.145.228.44] (helo=mail9.hitachi.co.jp) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ik9Gs-000PmU-G0 for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:13:31 +0000 Received: from mlsv13.hitachi.co.jp (unknown [133.144.234.166]) by mail9.hitachi.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6D637C8B for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:13:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from mfilter-s5.hitachi.co.jp by mlsv13.hitachi.co.jp (8.13.1/8.13.1) id l9N2DQP2029725; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:13:26 +0900 Received: from vshuts5.hitachi.co.jp (unverified) by mfilter-s5.hitachi.co.jp (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.17) with SMTP id ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:13:26 +0900 Received: from gmml27.itg.hitachi.co.jp ([158.213.165.130]) by vshuts5.hitachi.co.jp with SMTP id M2007102311132502165 ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:13:25 +0900 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gmml27.itg.hitachi.co.jp (AIX5.2/8.11.6p2/8.11.0) id l9N2DP57540756; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:13:25 +0900 Message-ID: <471D58C4.5030700@hitachi.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:13:24 +0900 From: Tomoyuki Iijima User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Netconf WG , ngo@ietf.org Subject: Re: [NGO] RE: FW: I-D ACTION:draft-iijima-netconf-soap-implementation-03.txt References: <471C5F55.2040102@hitachi.com> <20071022124432.GB28550@elstar.local> In-Reply-To: <20071022124432.GB28550@elstar.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3e15cc4fdc61d7bce84032741d11c8e5 Hi, >> I would indeed encourage you to continue the work on this document, >> to present it at the Vancouver meeting. When you feel it is ready and >> complete for submission I will be glad to sponsor it as AD in order >> make it an Informational RFC. Thank you for encouraging us! We'll complete the work as soon as we can and be ready to present it. > Stupid question: Did you do any interoperability testing of your > NETCONF over SOAP implementation? Regretably, not yet. Personally, I think interoperability will be ensured since we are using WSDL of the RFC4743 and XSD of RFC4741. Anyway, I'd like to touch upon the issue of interoperability. Kind regards, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 02:08:00PM +0200, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > >> I would indeed encourage you to continue the work on this document, and >> to present it at the Vancouver meeting. When you feel it is ready and >> complete for submission I will be glad to sponsor it as AD in order to >> make it an Informational RFC. > > Stupid question: Did you do any interoperability testing of your > NETCONF over SOAP implementation? > > What NETCONF really needs are I think interoperability tests and test > cases and such things. This would really help to ensure NETCONF > engines do the same thing and the specs lead implementors to the same > conclusions. And we need to find a way to deal with those things > implementors found either not well described or more complex than it > needs to be. > > /js > -- Tomoyuki Iijima Hitachi, Ltd. Central Research Laboratory TEL:+81-42-323-1111 ext.3579 FAX:+81-42-327-7868 E-mail:tomoyuki.iijima.fg@hitachi.com -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Tue Oct 23 03:25:43 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IkE91-0001Fe-Go for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:25:43 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IkE91-0001Kq-6c for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:25:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IkE0c-0002BC-Gg for netconf-data@psg.com; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:17:02 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, USER_IN_ALL_SPAM_TO autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [212.201.44.23] (helo=hermes.jacobs-university.de) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IkE0a-0002Av-4o for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:17:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (demetrius.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE2A64C5B3; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:16:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29945-05; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:16:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.iuhb02.iu-bremen.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1858A86668; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:16:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 8F5BC3A31E5; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:16:53 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:16:53 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Tomoyuki Iijima Cc: Netconf WG , ngo@ietf.org Subject: Re: [NGO] RE: FW: I-D ACTION:draft-iijima-netconf-soap-implementation-03.txt Message-ID: <20071023071653.GA8637@elstar.local> Reply-To: j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Mail-Followup-To: Tomoyuki Iijima , Netconf WG , ngo@ietf.org References: <471C5F55.2040102@hitachi.com> <20071022124432.GB28550@elstar.local> <471D58C4.5030700@hitachi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <471D58C4.5030700@hitachi.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new 2.3.3 (20050822) at jacobs-university.de Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 11:13:24AM +0900, Tomoyuki Iijima wrote: > Personally, I think interoperability will be ensured since we are using > WSDL of the RFC4743 and XSD of RFC4741. Anyway, I'd like to touch upon > the issue of interoperability. NETCONF interoperability means much more than being able to parse messages; just consider the filtering, multiple data stores, the various things edit-config can do and so on. This goes far beyond what WSDL and XSD can do for you. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Tue Oct 23 21:50:49 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IkVOT-0002no-Fb for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:50:49 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IkVOI-0007o1-8U for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:50:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IkVDx-00034U-PX for netconf-data@psg.com; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:39:57 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [207.126.144.118] (helo=s200aob14.obsmtp.com) by psg.com with smtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IkHhb-000NJQ-No for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:13:44 +0000 Received: from source ([164.129.1.35]) (using TLSv1) by eu1sys200aob014.postini.com ([207.126.147.11]) with SMTP; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:13:32 UTC Received: from zeta.dmz-eu.st.com (ns2.st.com [164.129.230.9]) by beta.dmz-eu.st.com (STMicroelectronics) with ESMTP id 74E0BDACA for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:54:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail1.dlh.st.com (mail1.dlh.st.com [10.199.8.21]) by zeta.dmz-eu.st.com (STMicroelectronics) with ESMTP id 0536E4BF75 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:54:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dlhcmgadityaj (dlhgn53dhcp25.dlh.st.com [10.199.53.25]) by mail1.dlh.st.com (MOS 3.7.5a-GA) with ESMTP id CSV03403 (AUTH ajain); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:24:18 +0530 (IST) From: Aditya JAIN To: Subject: What does Read-only object mean? Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:24:18 +0530 Message-ID: <009d01c81563$0f8bb9a0$19dda8c0@dlh.st.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcgVYw8gazeD60MOS2WUxxWQOkvslQ== x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Hi All, Could anyone please give the actual definition of "read-only"? Does it mean that if implemented, the object instance MUST always be = present? Or, is it only concerned with the accessibility of the object, = disregarding of it's initial instantiation? What I mean to say is that if I implement a read-only object 'X' on a = device, then does this mean that (I) the object instance must be present since device NMS boot-up? Or (ii) the object's instantiation can be dependent on some external = impulse (like a value in the config file), but whenever that object = would exist, it's value cannot be changed by another NMS? Thanks, Aditya -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Wed Oct 24 09:13:57 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ikg3Z-0002e0-Fj for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:13:57 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ikg3Y-0004wR-8g for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:13:57 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ikfsz-0004vX-38 for netconf-data@psg.com; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:03:01 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [193.180.251.60] (helo=mailgw3.ericsson.se) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ikfsw-0004v9-MV for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:02:59 +0000 Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id D3AE220838; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:02:54 +0200 (CEST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3c-b1e82bb0000007e1-39-471f427ef53d Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.123]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id C170620652; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:02:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.172]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:02:54 +0200 Received: from [159.107.198.61] ([159.107.198.61]) by esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:02:54 +0200 Message-ID: <471F427C.6090803@ericsson.com> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:02:52 +0200 From: Balazs Lengyel User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: schishol@nortel.com CC: netconf@ops.ietf.org Subject: Netconf Notifications: 10 comments References: <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4114DA263@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <20071015.222050.59036151.mbj@tail-f.com> In-Reply-To: <20071015.222050.59036151.mbj@tail-f.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2007 13:02:54.0371 (UTC) FILETIME=[30DE2F30:01C8163E] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 Hello, The draft is in really good shape, ready for prime time, still 2 comments: Ch 6.5) In the Error-info we have startTime, while the subscription request might not have had startTime at all. I think the rejection of the second suscription is independent of the startTime. Ch 1.3 and 6.1) Both with and without the interleave capability we only know that an edit-config during notification delivery MAY receive a response. We do not know that without the capability edit-config will fail. We do not know that with the capability the edit-config will succeed. So what is the reason to have the capability? I think in one of the chapters (or both) we should use stronger words: like MUST, MUST NOT, SHALL ... regards Balazs -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Mon Oct 29 12:44:01 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ImXib-0006OI-Fx for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:44:01 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ImXiR-0000qs-OA for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:43:59 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ImXSI-000O9B-EU for netconf-data@psg.com; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:27:10 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [69.147.64.88] (helo=smtp115.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) by psg.com with smtp (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ImXSF-000O8o-D4 for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:27:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 63405 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2007 16:27:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (andybierman@att.net@67.127.99.221 with plain) by smtp115.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2007 16:27:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: AQJvsr0VM1kLe9gPZctRa449.nS1kpw6jBFVofUjkpnH3qo3 Message-ID: <472609D0.3060005@andybierman.com> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:26:56 -0700 From: Andy Bierman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Balazs Lengyel CC: schishol@nortel.com, netconf@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: Netconf Notifications: 10 comments References: <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4114DA263@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <20071015.222050.59036151.mbj@tail-f.com> <471F427C.6090803@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <471F427C.6090803@ericsson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: f60d0f7806b0c40781eee6b9cd0b2135 Balazs Lengyel wrote: > Hello, > The draft is in really good shape, ready for prime time, still 2 comments: > > Ch 6.5) In the Error-info we have startTime, while the subscription > request might not have had startTime at all. I think the rejection of > the second suscription is independent of the startTime. > This is probably a cut-and-paste omission: OLD: Error-info: : startTime NEW: Error-info: none > Ch 1.3 and 6.1) Both with and without the interleave capability we only > know that an edit-config during notification delivery MAY receive a > response. We do not know that without the capability edit-config will > fail. We do not know that with the capability the edit-config will > succeed. So what is the reason to have the capability? > I do not agree. Any of the operations can fail for various reasons in normal mode. Just because these same errors can occur in interleave mode does not change the value of the interleave capability. The capability is there to let the manager know if it should even try an while notifications are being delivered. > I think in one of the chapters (or both) we should use stronger words: > like MUST, MUST NOT, SHALL ... where exactly? I think the 1.3 text is fine. Here is 6.1: The Interleave capability indicates that the NETCONF peer supports the ability to interleave other NETCONF operations within a Notification subscription. This means the NETCONF server is able to ^^^^^^^^^^ receive, process and respond to NETCONF requests on a session with an active notification subscription. s/is able to/MUST/ I think this addresses your concerns right? > > regards Balazs > Andy -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Mon Oct 29 12:48:06 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ImXmY-0001DW-PX for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:48:06 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ImXmX-00017q-Hy for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:48:06 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ImXdY-000PBw-44 for netconf-data@psg.com; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:38:48 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [193.180.251.60] (helo=mailgw3.ericsson.se) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ImXdV-000PBf-LC for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:38:46 +0000 Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 2313B20954; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:38:30 +0100 (CET) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3c-afe7ebb0000007e1-5e-47260c860e32 Received: from esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.124]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 0B5B320793; Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:38:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.177]) by esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:38:28 +0100 Received: from [159.107.198.61] ([159.107.198.61]) by esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:38:28 +0100 Message-ID: <47260C82.60504@ericsson.com> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:38:26 +0100 From: Balazs Lengyel User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andy Bierman CC: schishol@nortel.com, netconf@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: Netconf Notifications: 10 comments References: <713043CE8B8E1348AF3C546DBE02C1B4114DA263@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> <20071015.222050.59036151.mbj@tail-f.com> <471F427C.6090803@ericsson.com> <472609D0.3060005@andybierman.com> In-Reply-To: <472609D0.3060005@andybierman.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2007 16:38:28.0647 (UTC) FILETIME=[225CD370:01C81A4A] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 Andy Bierman wrote: > Here is 6.1: > > The Interleave capability indicates that the NETCONF peer supports > the ability to interleave other NETCONF operations within a > Notification subscription. This means the NETCONF server is able to > ^^^^^^^^^^ > receive, process and respond to NETCONF requests on a session with an > active notification subscription. > > s/is able to/MUST/ > > I think this addresses your concerns right? Yes that will be fine. Balazs -- to unsubscribe send a message to netconf-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Wed Oct 31 04:44:09 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1In9BJ-0007HE-Os for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 04:44:09 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1In9B9-0008Vx-IC for netconf-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 04:44:05 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1In8yd-000A6N-AJ for netconf-data@psg.com; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 08:31:03 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [213.180.94.162] (helo=mail.tail-f.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1In8ya-0009yQ-Ld for netconf@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 08:31:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (138.162.241.83.in-addr.dgcsystems.net [83.241.162.138]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13D601B80C6 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 09:30:57 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 09:31:01 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <20071031.093101.150262352.mbj@tail-f.com> To: netconf@ops.ietf.org Subject: draft -10 namespace errors From: Martin Bjorklund X-Mailer: Mew version 5.1.51 on Emacs 22.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 21c69d3cfc2dd19218717dbe1d974352 Hi, The targetNamespace of the notification schema changed in -10 from urn:ietf:params:netconf:capability:notification:1.0 to urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:netconf:notification:1.0. 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