From nobody Fri Apr 1 07:25:17 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFA1512D5FE; Fri, 1 Apr 2016 07:25:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.53 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.53 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y5zmKHl3XXFH; Fri, 1 Apr 2016 07:25:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.86.73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B011F12D5F8; Fri, 1 Apr 2016 07:25:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=6623; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1459520713; x=1460730313; h=from:subject:to:message-id:date:mime-version; bh=0GHdlus5C3vYWFwDNE8twBV31sT7jZo62sawkY9vLb0=; b=PghHf8/EttQRS+Ltp0+OEsPS3PvcuoC1hP5hTiu5siZ5NoDmLCOBXF1w 5kkaZf3QMxCOjLUN1lCCznw2bfN2EjuL51zUtPjFQZQWvbI/D6T4r5RSp X2Wzrl9lNtZo0eYMlX38YJDy1IZuZiOCNgGfe/nPpZgAS9RNeKeHc0C0k w=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0ATAgDIg/5W/5ldJa1dg0FTtySEbwENg?= =?us-ascii?q?XIdhzU4FAEBAQEBAQFlJ4RrVRojFgsCCwMCAQIBSwELAQgBAYgjDpV8nReRBAE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEGAQEBAQEBFgSGHohsgxiCVgWNSoVLhGSFc4gViTiFVY8YHgEBQoQBIokWA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="5.24,427,1454976000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="91798435" Received: from rcdn-core-2.cisco.com ([173.37.93.153]) by rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 01 Apr 2016 14:25:12 +0000 Received: from [10.82.224.219] (rtp-vpn1-219.cisco.com [10.82.224.219]) by rcdn-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u31EPB2p016301; Fri, 1 Apr 2016 14:25:12 GMT From: Benoit Claise To: NETCONF , draft-ietf-netconf-yang-library@ietf.org Message-ID: <56FE84C5.7090208@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 11:25:09 -0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050903010105070703010709" Archived-At: Subject: [Netconf] AD review: draft-ietf-netconf-yang-library-04 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2016 14:25:16 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050903010105070703010709 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all, Here is my AD review of draft-ietf-netconf-yang-library-04 - terminology The following terms are defined in [RFC6020 ]: o module o submodule Should it be 6020bis. The following terms are defined in [RFC6020 bis]: o module o submodule The module definition is different between RFC6020 and RFC6020bis - module-set-id "This mandatory leaf contains a unique implementation-specific identifier representing the current set of modules and submodules." "There is no requirement that the same set always results in the same module-set-id value." I guessed from the two sentences that the uniqueness is per server, but it was not clear. Re-reading this section, I was missing: OLD: This mandatory leaf contains a unique implementation-specific identifier representing the current set of modules and submodules. NEW: This mandatory leaf contains a unique implementation-specific identifier representing the current set of modules and submodules on a specific server. - Editorial: OLD: If the value of this leaf changes, the server also generates a "yang-library-changed" notification, with the new value of "module-set-id". NEW: If the value of this leaf changes, the server also generates a "yang-library-change" notification, with the new value of "module-set-id". - YANG 1.0 and YANG 1.1 It was not clear to me if this supports both YANG 1.0 and YANG 1.1? And RFC6020bis referring to the YANG library while RFC6020 (obviously) does not, added to the confusion. You should add that the YANG library can be used to list modules written with any YANG version. - modules-state/module, section 2.1.2 This mandatory list contains one entry for each YANG data model module supported by the server. There MUST be an entry in this list for every YANG module that is used by the server. You should add "for each revision of each YANG module supported by the server". Same remark for: list module { key "name revision"; description "Each entry represents one module currently supported by the server." Also, I propose to add a sentence such as: While RFC6020bis mentions "A server MUST NOT implement more than one revision of a module", the conformance-type might list multiple identical YANG module with different version, to document whether a module is implemented or listed for import reasons. Regards, Benoit --------------050903010105070703010709 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear all,

Here is my AD review of draft-ietf-netconf-yang-library-04

- terminology
   The following terms are defined in [RFC6020]:

   o  module

   o  submodule
Should it be 6020bis. 
   The following terms are defined in [RFC6020bis]:

   o  module

   o  submodule
The module definition is different between RFC6020 and RFC6020bis

- module-set-id
   "This mandatory leaf contains a unique implementation-specific
   identifier representing the current set of modules and submodules."

   "There is no requirement that
   the same set always results in the same module-set-id value."

I guessed from the two sentences that the uniqueness is per server, but it was not clear.
Re-reading this section, I was missing:
OLD:
   This mandatory leaf contains a unique implementation-specific
   identifier representing the current set of modules and submodules.
NEW:
   This mandatory leaf contains a unique implementation-specific
   identifier representing the current set of modules and submodules
   on a specific server.
 
- Editorial:
OLD:
   If the value of this leaf changes, the server also generates a
   "yang-library-changed" notification, with the new value of
   "module-set-id".

NEW:
   If the value of this leaf changes, the server also generates a
   "yang-library-change" notification, with the new value of
   "module-set-id".

 
- YANG 1.0 and YANG 1.1
It was not clear to me if this supports both YANG 1.0 and YANG 1.1? And RFC6020bis referring to the YANG library while RFC6020 (obviously) does not, added to the confusion.
You should add that the YANG library can be used to list modules written with any YANG version.

- modules-state/module, section 2.1.2

   This mandatory list contains one entry for each YANG data model
   module supported by the server.  There MUST be an entry in this list
   for every YANG module that is used by the server.

You should add "for each revision of each YANG module supported by the server".
Same remark for:
 list module {
         key "name revision";
         description
           "Each entry represents one module currently
            supported by the server."

Also, I propose to add a sentence such as:
While RFC6020bis mentions "A server MUST NOT implement more than one revision of a module", the conformance-type might list multiple identical YANG module with different version, to document whether a module is implemented or listed for import reasons.

Regards, Benoit
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Here are their observations on the = proposed updates. > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: > Subject: RE: RFC 5277-bis > Date: April 3, 2016 at 12:34:40 PM GMT-3 >=20 > hi >=20 > I started to write some more detailed comments, but have realized it = comes down to a fundamental design approach. I was going to send this = comment to the mailing list via my work account, but am having some = trouble logging in to that (password issues) today and I know you guys = are meeting this week, so wanted to be sure I sent something before = meetings started. Hopefully you can share them with the group. >=20 > The original approach to Notifications was to move from subscriptions = as configuration owned and managed by the device into sessions that were = owned and managed by the client. It was felt that having this = manager/client information on the device made it inherently more = complicated based on past experience with SNMP, etc. Sending = Notifications on a session create by the manager (and therefore correct = in its details) that also went away when the manager shut it down made = more operational sense. >=20 > The proposed update seems to be going back to the model of a = subscription as configuration data. I would not object to reporting = currently subscriptions as part of a get operation, but have concerns = about going back to the model of having it as configuration. >=20 > Let me use a real-world example based on recent customer discussions. = We have a network management solution capable of managing a large number = of devices, but have a customer with a huge network, so expect to have = to deploy multiple network management systems - not GR, but each one (a = GR pair actually) manages different devices. The use case is if they = want to move a device from one to another in order to simplify service = management (both endpoints on the same NMS).=20 > - Current solution: de-enroll device from NMS A (shut down = subscription session); enroll in NMS B (start new subscription session, = same parameters) > - Proposed solution: de-enroll device from NMS A and send request to = remove subscription from config for device; enroll in NMS B; and send = request to add subscription to device. >=20 > The first approach is much cleaner. And as the subscription is part of = a well-defined standardized RPC mechanism, I don't need to worry about = differences in implementation (fingers crossed). >=20 > There are a few other cases where the current solution is cleaner. = For me, it just comes down to the fact that the Notification = subscription belongs to the client and not the server(device), so that = is who should manage it and its life-cycle. >=20 > Enjoy Buenos Aires >=20 > Sharon Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com --Apple-Mail=_C468E1FA-D5D8-42D4-87F3-1A95891AAA7F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 As part of update to RFC 5277, I asked the original authors = if they wanted to be involved in its update. Here are their observations = on the proposed updates.

Begin forwarded = message:

From: = <chiz@sympatico.ca>
Subject: = RE: RFC = 5277-bis
Date: = April 3, 2016 at 12:34:40 PM = GMT-3

hi

I started to write some more detailed comments, but have = realized it comes down to a fundamental design approach. I was going to = send this comment to the mailing list via my work account, but am having = some trouble logging in to that (password issues) today and I know you = guys are meeting this week, so wanted to be sure I sent something before = meetings started.  Hopefully you can share them with the group.

The original approach to Notifications was to = move from subscriptions as configuration owned and managed by the device = into sessions that were owned and managed by the client.  It was = felt that having this manager/client information on the device made it = inherently more complicated based on past experience with SNMP, = etc.  Sending Notifications on a session create by the manager (and = therefore correct in its details) that also went away when the manager = shut it down made more operational sense.

The= proposed update seems to be going back to the model of a subscription = as configuration data. I would not object to reporting currently = subscriptions as part of a get operation, but have concerns about going = back to the model of having it as configuration.

Let me use a real-world example based on recent customer = discussions.  We have a network management solution capable of = managing a large number of devices, but have a customer with a huge = network, so expect to have to deploy multiple network management systems = - not GR, but each one (a GR pair actually) manages different = devices.  The use case is if they want to move a device from one = to  another in order to simplify service management (both endpoints = on the same NMS). 
  - Current solution:  de-enroll device from NMS A = (shut down subscription session); enroll in NMS B (start new = subscription session, same parameters)
  - Proposed = solution: de-enroll device from NMS A and send request to remove = subscription from config for device; enroll in NMS B; and send request = to add subscription to device.

The first = approach is much cleaner. And as the subscription is part of a = well-defined standardized RPC mechanism, I don't need to worry about = differences in implementation (fingers crossed).

There are a few other cases where the current solution is = cleaner.  For me, it just comes down to the fact that the = Notification subscription belongs to the client and not the = server(device), so that is who should manage it and its life-cycle.

Enjoy Buenos Aires

Sharon

Mahesh Jethanandani
mjethanandani@gmail.com



= --Apple-Mail=_C468E1FA-D5D8-42D4-87F3-1A95891AAA7F-- From nobody Sun Apr 3 10:35:30 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BBC912D623 for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2016 10:35:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DXEekA7W8Kpd for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2016 10:35:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A25512D184 for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2016 10:35:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 795F42002A; Sun, 3 Apr 2016 13:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AC876375A; Sun, 3 Apr 2016 13:35:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: netconf@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <616183C1-E7C6-4562-9C7F-172DCDD53376@juniper.net> References: <14967.1459537300@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <59067843-E22A-42E3-81D1-29ECCD4F6EEC@juniper.net> <26529.1459647848@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <616183C1-E7C6-4562-9C7F-172DCDD53376@juniper.net> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2016 13:35:24 -0400 Message-ID: <10677.1459704924@obiwan.sandelman.ca> Archived-At: Cc: max pritikin Subject: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-zerotouch-07 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2016 17:35:28 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1) I have sent Kent and Mikhail a github pull request with editorial suggestions on the text against the XML. Here is the link to the diffs, and I also include them at the end of this email for archival purposes, omitting whitespace changes: https://github.com/netconf-wg/zero-touch/pull/10 2) section 3, Information Types. "This document only tries to support the encodings supported by =C2=A0=C2=A0 RESTCONF, namely XML and JSON, while leaving extensibility me= chanisms =C2=A0=C2=A0 in place to support future extensions." mcr> Is there a MTI? Is information going to be available in multiple mcr> formats? Who decides?: Or does it not matter, because the vendor mcr> decides? 3) where "X.509" is written, I think maybe we should be writing PKIX? 4) is there any reason why an artifact that is retrieved securely can not *also* be signed? 5) section 3.2: > The configuration can configure any aspect of the device but, in =C2=A0=C2=A0> order to fulfill the goal of the zero touch bootstrapping pr= ocess, Could this be recursive? i.e. the first server actually returns a new set of "hints" and trust anchors that lets it start again? Could other goals be defined? It seems that this requirement is pretty soft. 6) I suggest in section 4.1, Removable Storage, I suggest adding a reference to one of: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CloudInit https://cloudinit.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/an-introduction-to-c= loud-config-scripting but I don't have a reference to a protocol specification that is behind a= ll of this. 7) 4.1: add reference to some embedded signature format. (I don't have one to add) 8) section 4.2 says: "no definition for bootstrap =C2=A0=C2=A0information using DNS-SD is provided by this document." but it seems that really it does define a way to store everything... so I'm confused. 9) section 4.2 should have a reference to gzip compression. All of section 4.2 needs an example, and some review... 10) maybe the validation of the boot image (referenced in 4.1 and 4.3) shou= ld be a seperate section to be referenced. 11) section 4.3 repeats the part about unsigned. I removed it in the propos= al. 12) is the client permitted to send "no notification", if it has nothing to say? 13) In section 5.3: >Details such as the format of filesystem and =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0>the naming of the files are left to the device's m= anufacturer to =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0>define. I think we should actually say something about the formats here: We should say that they SHOULD be industry standard formats. 14) section 5.3 repeats security again. "If the redirect information contained in the DHCP option..." and the next point. diff --git a/draft-ietf-netconf-zerotouch.xml b/draft-ietf-netconf-zerotouc= h.xml index ad2a667..1ae8b5b 100644 =2D-- a/draft-ietf-netconf-zerotouch.xml +++ b/draft-ietf-netconf-zerotouch.xml @@ -150,6 +150,9 @@ This document uses the following terms: + artifact based solution. A solution in= which the artifacts + are signed, and may be retrieved by insecure channels. + The term "artifact" is used throug= hout to represent the encoded form of any of Bootstrap Information, Redirect Infor= mation, Owner Certificate, and Ownership Voucher. The Bootstrap Ser= ver defined in this @@ -212,6 +215,15 @@ on signed data. This data is formally defined by the "owners= hip-voucher" container in the YANG module defined in . + protocol based solution. A solution in= which the artifacts + need not be signed, but must be retrieved by secure channels= only. + + presented ownership voucher. + + Presented Owner Certificate. + + presented artifact + The term "redirect inf= ormation" is used herein to refer to bootstrapping data that redirects a device to co= nnect to another Bootstrap Server. This data is formally defined by the "red= irect-information" @@ -281,21 +293,26 @@
A device in its factory default state possesses a limited set= of manufacturer specified trust anchors. In this document, there are two types of trust a= nchors of interest. =2D The first type of trust anchor is used to authenticate a secur= e connection to, for + The first type of trust anchor is used to authenticate a secure = (HTTPS) connection to, for instance, a manufacturer-hosted Internet-based bootstrap server.= The second type of trust anchor is used to authenticate manufacturer-signed data, such as= the owner certificate and ownership voucher described in this document. In the first case, trust is conveyed by the device first auth= enticating the secure connection to the server and then by the device trusting that th= e server would only provide =2D data that its rightful owner staged for it to find. For insta= nce, the staged data may =2D be redirect information that includes the IP address and anoth= er trust anchor certificate + data that its rightful owner staged for it to find. Actual end s= ystem data may be returned, + or a redirection may be returned. + The redirection will include + redirect information that includes the IP address and another tr= ust anchor certificate for the deployment-specific bootstrap server. The device can th= en use the discovered trust anchor to authenticate a secure connection to the deployment-spe= cific bootstrap server. In the second case, trust is conveyed by the device first aut= henticating the owner certificate and ownership voucher and then, using the public key= in the owner certificate, authenticate a signed artifact, such as redirect information. A= nd again the device can use the discovered trust anchor to authenticate a secure connection = to the deployment-specific =2D bootstrap server. + bootstrap server. + This mechanism lets the original manufacturer redirect to a cust= omer provided bootstrap + server in a secure fashion. +
The goal of this document is to enable a device to connect wi= th its rightful owner's NMS. @@ -303,25 +320,31 @@ of this document), as well as an ability to convey that informat= ion to devices (in scope). Matching the two ways to convey trust, this document provides bo= th a protocol oriented solution as well as an artifact based solution for conveying own= ership. =2D The protocol based solution conveys ownership by the device= first authenticating a secure + +
+ The protocol based solution (PBS) conveys ownership by the de= vice first authenticating a secure connection to a bootstrap server and then trusting that the serv= er would only provide data that its rightful owner staged for it to find. In the case= of a manufacturer-hosted bootstrap server, the manufacturer takes the onus of ensuring th= at only data configured by =2D the device's rightful owner is made available to the device. = With this approach, the =2D assignment of a device to an owner is ephemeral, with the manu= facturer being able is =2D reassign the device at any time. =2D The artifact based solution, which is ideal for when a secu= re connection =2D cannot be established (e.g., loading data off a removable stor= age device), =2D involves the manufacturer signing an owner certificate and the= n later, when =2D the ownership for devices is established, the manufacturer sig= ning a voucher =2D that assigns those devices to the owner, and then the owner us= ing their =2D private key to sign the artifacts. Thus, from the device's pe= rspective, =2D it can use the presented ownership voucher to validate the pre= sented owner =2D certificate, which it can then use to validate the signature o= ver the =2D presented artifact. With this approach, the assignment of a d= evice to =2D an owner is somewhat permanent, as the ability for the manufac= turer to =2D reliably distribute CRLs to revoke assignments not possible wh= en the =2D devices do not contain a real time clock (see + the device's rightful owner is made available to the device. Wi= th the PBS approach, the + assignment of a device to an owner is ephemeral. The manufacture= r being able is + able to reassign the device at any time. +
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+ The artifact based solution (ABS) is ideal for when a secure = connection + cannot be established (e.g., loading data off a removable storag= e device). + The ABS method has the manufacturer signing an owner certificate= and then later, when + the ownership for devices is established, the manufacturer sign = a voucher + to assign those devices to the owner. + The owner uses their private key to sign the artifacts. + Thus, from the device's perspective, + it can use the Presented Ownership Voucher (POV) to validate the= Presented Owner + Certificate (POC), which it can then use to validate the signatu= re over the + presented artifact (PA). With this approach, the assignment of = a device to + an owner is somewhat permanent; while the manufacturer could + attempt to revoke the signature via a Certificate Revocation List + (CRL), this would depend upon the device having a secure real ti= me + clock (see for information about this).
@@ -345,32 +368,53 @@ to the specified bootstrap servers, until finding one that it ca= n bootstrap itself off of. Redirect information is primarily distinguished from standard HT= TP redirect by its optional inclusion of trust anchors, in which case it may be referred to = as a "secure redirect". =2D Redirect information may be signed or unsigned. If the red= irect information is not =2D signed, then the device MUST NOT trust any included trust anch= or certificates, equivalent =2D to had they not been specified at all. + Redirect information may be signed or unsigned. + + Included trust anchors MAY ONLY be trusted if the redirect is + signed. =C2=A0Unsigned trust anchors MUST be discarded. + When redirect information is signed, then the device MUST est= ablish a secure connection to the specified bootstrap server using X.509 certifi= cate path validation (, Section 6) to the specified trust a= nchor, and MUST send =2D its IDevID certificate in the form of a client certificate, an= d MUST POST notifications =2D to the bootstrap server. Furthermore, in this case, any data = obtained from the bootstrap =2D server MAY NOT be signed, as it is already trusted by virtue o= f the secure connection. =2D When redirect information is unsigned, or doesn't specify a= trust anchor certificate, =2D and the device connects to the bootstrap server by blindly acc= epting the bootstrap =2D server's TLS certificate, the device MUST NOT send its IDevID = certificate in the form =2D of a client certificate, and MUST NOT POST notifications to th= e bootstrap server. =2D Furthermore, the device MUST assert that any data obtained fro= m the bootstrap server =2D is signed, much as it would assert bootstrap information loade= d from a removable =2D storage device is signed. + its IDevID certificate in the form of a client certificate. + The client MUST use a POST method to send + notifications to the bootstrap server. + Furthermore, in this case, any data obtained from the bootstrap + server MAY be unsigned, as it is already trusted by virtue of the + secure connection. + + A client MUST send it=E2=80=99s client certificate only in th= e case + where the redirect information is signed, and a trust anchor is + provided. =C2=A0In all other cases, it MUST NOT send a client + certificate. =C2=A0Sending client certificates in the insecure c= ases + permits MITM attacks. =C2=A0The following cases are insecure: + + + When redirect information is unsigned + the redirect doesn't specify a trust + anchor certificate + the device connects to the bootstrap server= =C2=A0by + blindly accepting the bootstrap server's TLS certificate. + + + + In all insecure cases, the device MUST assert that any data + obtained from the=C2=A0bootstrap server is signed, much as it wo= uld + assert bootstrap information loaded from a removable storage dev= ice + is signed. + + +
=2D Bootstrap information provides all the data neccessary for = the device + Bootstrap information provides all the data necessary for the= device to bootstrap itself, in order to be considered ready to be manag= ed. This data includes criteria about the boot image the device MUST= be running, an initial configuration the device MUST commit, and an optional= script that, if specified, the device MUST successfully execute. Description= s for these follow: =2D The boot image creteria is used to ensure the device is= running a version + The boot image criteria is used to ensure the device is r= unning a version of software that will be able to understand the configuratio= n and script, if any. The criteria is flexible in that it allows for both an= absolute specification of the boot image a device MUST be running, or= just a list @@ -391,10 +435,13 @@ statement provided in the YANG module defined in . =2D Bootstrap information may be signed or unsigned. If the de= vice is accessing + + It is always permitted for bootstrap information to be signed, + even if it was obtained in a secure fashion. If the device is ac= cessing the bootstrap server in an unsecured manner (e.g., from a remova= ble storage device =2D or from an untrusted server), then the bootstrap information M= UST be signed, =2D otherwise it MAY be signed. + or from an untrusted server), then the bootstrap information MUST + be signed. + Devices MUST process bootstrap information as is specified in= . The bootstrap information type is formally defined by the "bo= otstrap-information" @@ -422,58 +469,70 @@ A device MAY attempt to acquire bootstrapping data from a dir= ectly attached removable storage device. The bootstrapping data MAY be either = redirect information or bootstrap information. =2D If redirect information is provided, it SHOULD be signed, a= s removable storage =2D devices are not trustworthy. However, if the redirect informa= tion is not signed, =2D then the device MUST NOT trust any included trust anchor certi= ficates, =2D which means that the device would have to establish an unsecur= ed connection to + + Redirect information found in removable storage MUST be treat= ed + in the same manner as redirect information retrieved from an HTT= PS + connection: trust anchors are to be ignored if unsigned as they + would cause the device to establish an unsecured connection to the specified bootstrap servers. See for more about this case. + If bootstrap information is provided, it MUST be signed, as r= emovable storage devices are not trustworthy and there is no option to process th= e data in a degraded manner, unlike as with redirect information. + For the case when the signed bootstrap information is provide= d, it is notable that even the raw boot image file itself can be on the removable= storage device, by letting the URL reference a local file (e.g., file:///path/to= /file), making =2D use of the removable storage device a fully self-standing boot= strapping solution. + use of the removable storage device a fully self-standing + bootstrapping solution. + However, regardless if the boot image file resides on the loc= al storage device or if the device must follow the URL to download it from a remot= e (and unsecured) =2D server, the device MUST authenticate the validity of the boot = image file, either by =2D using the MD5 and SHA fingerprints supplied by the bootstrappi= ng information, or by =2D virtual of the boot image containing an embedded signature, if= any. + server, the device MUST authenticate the validity of the boot im= age + file, such as by using MD5,SHA, or other cryptographic fingerpri= nts + supplied in the bootstrapping information. + Some boot image formats can contain an embedded signature [XXXRE= F], if any. +
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A device MAY attempt to acquire bootstrapping data from a DNS= server using DNS-based service discovery (DNS-SD) .= Due to DNS packet size limitations the bootstrapping data provided using DNS-SD ca= n only be =2D redirect information, no support for bootstrap information usi= ng DNS-SD is + redirect information: no definition bootstrap information using = DNS-SD is provided by this document. =2D The redirect information provided SHOULD be signed, as this= document does + The redirect information provided via DNS-SD SHOULD be signed + internally (not via DNSSEC), as this document does not define a solution to secure the DNS records using DNSSEC . =2D However, if the redirect information is not signed, then the d= evice MUST NOT trust =2D any included trust anchor certificates, which means that the d= evice would have to =2D establish an unsecured connection to the specified bootstrap s= ervers. See + As before, devices MUST disregard unsigned redirect information.= See for more about this case= . + To use this approach, the device MAY perform DNS-SD via multi= cast DNS searching for the service "_zerotouch= ._tcp.local.". Alternatively the device MAY perform DNS-SD via normal DNS opera= tion, using the domain returned to it from the DHCP server, searching for th= e service "_zerotouch._tcp.example.com". + The mapping of redirect information onto DNS SRV and =2D DNS TXT records as follows: =2D is as follows: + DNS TXT records is as follows: + The bootstrap server's hostname or IP address is returned= by the "Target" component of the DNS SRV record. The bootstrap server's port is returned by the "Port" com= ponent of the DNS SRV record. + The bootstrap server's trust anchor is returned using the= key "anchor" in the DNS TXT record with the binary value being the `gzip` co= mpression over the redirect-information's "trust-anchor" value. To save additio= nal space, it is RECOMMENDED that the trust anchor certificate uses an ellipt= ical curve =2D algorithm, rather than the seemingly ubiquitous RSA algori= thm. + algorithm, rather than the larger, more common RSA algorithm= . + The signature over the preceding three values is returned= using the key "sig" in the DNS TXT record with the binary value being the = `gzip` compression over the redirect-information's "signature" value. + The owner certificate is returned using the key "cert" in= the DNS TXT record with the binary value being the `gzip` compression ov= er the redirect-information's "owner-certificate/certificate" value= . There isn't @@ -506,10 +565,9 @@ degraded manner, unlike as with redirect information. For the case when the signed bootstrap information is provide= d, it is notable that the URL would have to point to another file server (e.g., h= ttp://, ftp://, etc.), =2D as DHCP servers do not themselves distribute files. In this c= ase, the device MUST =2D authenticate the validity of the boot image file, either by us= ing the MD5 and SHA =2D fingerprints supplied by the bootstrapping information, or by = virtual of the boot =2D image containing an embedded signature, if any. + as DHCP servers do not themselves distribute files. + [[Reference to end of section 4.1 here]] + It is expected that DHCP servers will provide redirect inform= ation more often than bootstrap information, since redirect information is more generic, potenti= ally applicable to a large number of devices, with the number limited only by the number of device= s listed by the associated @@ -526,24 +584,19 @@ has been staged for that one device.
+ A device MAY attempt to acquire bootstrapping data from a tru= sted Internet-based bootstrap server, a server implementing the RESTCONF API defined= by the YANG module provided in . The bootstrapping d= ata provided by the =2D server MAY be either redirect information or bootstrap informa= tion. =2D Actually, a bootstrap server is not only a source for boots= trapping data, but + server MAY be either redirect information or bootstrap + information. + + As describe in section {TBD}, a bootstrap server is not only = a source for bootstrapping data, but it is also the consumer of notification messages from devices. = These notification =2D messages both enable visability into the bootstrapping process= (e.g., reporting + messages both enable visibility into the bootstrapping process (= e.g., reporting warnings and errors) and well as provide potentially useful comp= letion status information (e.g., the device's SSH host-keys). =2D If the device is able to authenticate the bootstrap server,= using X.509 =2D certificate path validation (, Secti= on 6) to a trust =2D anchor the device was manufactured with, or it securely learne= d from another =2D source of bootstrapping data, then the data the device obtains= from the =2D bootstrap server MAY NOT be signed. Notably, this is the only= mechanism defined =2D in this document whereby unsigned bootstrap information (not r= edirect information) =2D can be used. When the device is able to authenticate the boot= strap server's =2D TLS certificate, the device MUST send its IDevID certificate i= n the form of =2D client-certificate and it MUST POST notifications to the boots= trap server. + If the device is unable to authenticate the bootstrap server'= s TLS certificate, for any reason, then any data it receives from the bootstrap ser= ver MUST be signed in order for the device to be able to make use of it. 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Such a subscription is a stream, filter, and a list of receivers. A receiver is an IP address, a port, and a protocol. But the draft doesn't explain what a server should do when it has soemthing to send. How will it contact the receivers? Will it act as a NETCONF client? Will it use call-home (if so, why is the address/port defined here?) How is this supposed to be used with other protocols - the model allows other protocols even though the only current one defined is NETCONF. /martin From nobody Mon Apr 4 00:29:36 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E66FC12D146 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 00:29:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.531 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.531 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ICOuHMks8pyw for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 00:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-7.cisco.com (alln-iport-7.cisco.com [173.37.142.94]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B3EB12D13B for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 00:29:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1161; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1459754973; x=1460964573; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: content-id:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=asrC3RpEW+x96V9++hzV7JjHLuzX+1Wk/7DzMgq29b8=; b=Bf2sJqMaILeVryqIYTqyvUtnqZBAvWG7mMAAfaPzoRxrsmcMqahE1XNK X4ob+DVEE1FMwFoImpYY5raeuRH3NaSAOj+jaxansR7wJp/cXCYd+hhc6 2iLWBWJfoPZ8v/nUEHa8Z8qdDUqCwIQ94k3veJLelDtkPpjrasq3EdU6N w=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0AdAgB3FwJX/4wNJK1dgzdTfQa7IQENg?= =?us-ascii?q?XIXCoUiSgKBKDgUAQEBAQEBAWUnhEIBAQQBAQE3NBsCAQgOFxEQJwslAgQBEog?= =?us-ascii?q?nDrwLAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBEQSKaoQnhW4FmAEBjgePD48ZAR4BA?= =?us-ascii?q?UKDZ2yHDH4BAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.24,439,1454976000"; d="scan'208";a="257014125" Received: from alln-core-7.cisco.com ([173.36.13.140]) by alln-iport-7.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 04 Apr 2016 07:29:32 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-001.cisco.com (xch-rtp-001.cisco.com [64.101.220.141]) by alln-core-7.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u347TVE0030764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Apr 2016 07:29:31 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-003.cisco.com (64.101.220.143) by XCH-RTP-001.cisco.com (64.101.220.141) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 03:29:31 -0400 Received: from xch-rtp-003.cisco.com ([64.101.220.143]) by XCH-RTP-003.cisco.com ([64.101.220.143]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.009; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 03:29:31 -0400 From: "Alberto Gonzalez Prieto (albertgo)" To: Martin Bjorklund , "netconf@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Netconf] comments on draft-gonzalez-netconf-5277bis01 Thread-Index: AQHRjeY34RUm/X29H0uuoFLzbohwPp954QsA Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 07:29:30 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20160403.221948.1009098136996457017.mbj@tail-f.com> In-Reply-To: <20160403.221948.1009098136996457017.mbj@tail-f.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.6.1.160122 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.61.66.42] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <60359E4F14E11C40B47D3B9B472694E7@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-gonzalez-netconf-5277bis01 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2016 07:29:35 -0000 Thanks Martin, You are correct, like Andy, in pointing this out. This is work-in-progress, but not marked as such. Sorry about that. I will add to the draft a list of work-in-progress items to facilitate the discussion. Eric will present the list in BA. Thanks, Alberto On 4/3/16, 10:19 PM, "Netconf on behalf of Martin Bjorklund" wrote: >Hi, > >This draft proposes "static subscriptions" (configured >subscriptions). Such a subscription is a stream, filter, and a list >of receivers. A receiver is an IP address, a port, and a protocol. > >But the draft doesn't explain what a server should do when it has >soemthing to send. How will it contact the receivers? Will it act as >a NETCONF client? Will it use call-home (if so, why is the >address/port defined here?) How is this supposed to be used with other >protocols - the model allows other protocols even though the only >current one defined is NETCONF. > > >/martin > >_______________________________________________ >Netconf mailing list >Netconf@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf From nobody Mon Apr 4 09:41:45 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 872A912D564 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 09:41:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.53 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.53 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q4B0cLwIsqs2 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 09:41:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.86.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D75F12D793 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 09:31:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=8659; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1459787502; x=1460997102; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=OFnnuMvanrUMQM8Fy4qVZRDrNEl72prGfzgnVPvVWm4=; b=G0Dg8oCzUv7ppft7AEzpskbHKyHkDaBpGG0JgoJr7JzUUveF/Yv+a+Co C2u5y6cZweziu51FT5YJdnNP2S2zU55ahtOAQBRG2qjMsVxhxMeIR8cSp IANGJNdpVMY1iQCnshwOrVAEU/JDMz3gkYwc7DDs8UNjUSpOdOjGKwWyU w=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0AXAgCplQJX/4UNJK1dgmtMU30GtjCEc?= =?us-ascii?q?AENgXIXAQmFIoICOBQBAQEBAQEBZSeEQQEBAQMBAQEBKkEQDQEIJUgLJgEEARI?= =?us-ascii?q?IiBcIDr1AAQEBAQEBAQECAQEBAQEBAQEUBIYghEqEJ4VuBZgBAY4AjxaPGQEeA?= =?us-ascii?q?QFCg2dshyh+AQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="5.24,441,1454976000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="88101785" Received: from alln-core-11.cisco.com ([173.36.13.133]) by rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 04 Apr 2016 16:31:41 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-001.cisco.com (xch-rtp-001.cisco.com [64.101.220.141]) by alln-core-11.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u34GVfb2029989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Apr 2016 16:31:41 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-013.cisco.com (64.101.220.153) by XCH-RTP-001.cisco.com (64.101.220.141) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 12:31:40 -0400 Received: from xch-rtp-013.cisco.com ([64.101.220.153]) by XCH-RTP-013.cisco.com ([64.101.220.153]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.009; Mon, 4 Apr 2016 12:31:40 -0400 From: "Eric Voit (evoit)" To: "Alberto Gonzalez Prieto (albertgo)" , "Martin Bjorklund" , "netconf@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: RE: [Netconf] comments on draft-gonzalez-netconf-5277bis01 Thread-Index: AdGOj0bc8Ebhyxh8QkyBC+nSRHfvRA== Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 16:31:40 +0000 Message-ID: <397b9e22be6d4d1383cf12e9802abae3@XCH-RTP-013.cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.24.227.18] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_397b9e22be6d4d1383cf12e9802abae3XCHRTP013ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-gonzalez-netconf-5277bis01 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2016 16:41:44 -0000 --_000_397b9e22be6d4d1383cf12e9802abae3XCHRTP013ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Martin, On your questions for use with protocols other than Netconf... I am hopi= ng that draft-voit-netconf-restconf-yang-push can specify how to do transpo= rt for Restconf & HTTP2. (I.e., the draft would works as mechanism for bot= h YANG Push and 5277bis subscriptions.) This is one of the main discussio= n points I am hoping to have in the WG meeting on Thursday. But as Alberto points out, this is work in progress, so we will see where t= his goes. Eric > Alberto Gonzalez Prieto, April 04, 2016 3:30 AM > > Thanks Martin, > > You are correct, like Andy, in pointing this out. This is work-in-progres= s, but not > marked as such. Sorry about that. > I will add to the draft a list of work-in-progress items to facilitate th= e discussion. > Eric will present the list in BA. > > Thanks, > > Alberto > > On 4/3/16, 10:19 PM, "Netconf on behalf of Martin Bjorklund" > wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >This draft proposes "static subscriptions" (configured subscriptions). > >Such a subscription is a stream, filter, and a list of receivers. A > >receiver is an IP address, a port, and a protocol. > > > >But the draft doesn't explain what a server should do when it has > >soemthing to send. How will it contact the receivers? Will it act as > >a NETCONF client? Will it use call-home (if so, why is the > >address/port defined here?) How is this supposed to be used with other > >protocols - the model allows other protocols even though the only > >current one defined is NETCONF. > > > > > >/martin > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Netconf mailing list > >Netconf@ietf.org > >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > > _______________________________________________ > Netconf mailing list > Netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf --_000_397b9e22be6d4d1383cf12e9802abae3XCHRTP013ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Martin,

 

On your questions for use with protocols other th= an Netconf...    I am hoping that draft-voit-netconf-restcon= f-yang-push can specify how to do transport for Restconf & HTTP2. = (I.e., the draft would works as mechanism for both YANG Push and 5277bis subscriptions.)   This is one of the main discussion= points I am hoping to have in the WG meeting on Thursday.

 

But as Alberto points out, this is work in progre= ss, so we will see where this goes.

 

Eric

 

> Alberto Gonzalez Prieto, April 04, 2016 3:30= AM

>

> Thanks Martin,

>

> You are correct, like Andy, in pointing this= out. This is work-in-progress, but not

> marked as such. Sorry about that.=

> I will add to the draft a list of work-in-pr= ogress items to facilitate the discussion.

> Eric will present the list in BA.=

>

> Thanks,

>

> Alberto

>

> On 4/3/16, 10:19 PM, "Netconf on behalf= of Martin Bjorklund"

> <netconf-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of mb= j@tail-f.com> wrote:

>

> >Hi,

> >

> >This draft proposes "static subscri= ptions" (configured subscriptions).

> >Such a subscription is a stream, filter,= and a list of receivers.  A

> >receiver is an IP address, a port, and a= protocol.

> >

> >But the draft doesn't explain what a ser= ver should do when it has

> >soemthing to send.  How will it con= tact the receivers?  Will it act as

> >a NETCONF client?  Will it use call= -home (if so, why is the

> >address/port defined here?)  How is= this supposed to be used with other

> >protocols - the model allows other proto= cols even though the only

> >current one defined is NETCONF.

> >

> >

> >/martin

> >

> >________________________________________= _______

> >Netconf mailing list

> >Netconf@ietf.org

> >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ne= tconf

>

> ____________________________________________= ___

> Netconf mailing list

> Netconf@ietf.org

> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netcon= f

 

--_000_397b9e22be6d4d1383cf12e9802abae3XCHRTP013ciscocom_-- From nobody Tue Apr 5 11:20:41 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B1512D799 for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 11:20:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.92 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.92 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p9KsIOJ9Ozsw for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 11:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (demumfd002.nsn-inter.net [93.183.12.31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C6A2112D118 for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 11:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from muimrel001.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.32.132]) by demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id u35IKWKV004171 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Apr 2016 18:20:32 GMT Received: from DEMUHTC003.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.42.34]) by muimrel001.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id u35IKWHI012049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Apr 2016 18:20:32 GMT Received: from DEMUHTC006.nsn-intra.net (10.159.42.37) by DEMUHTC003.nsn-intra.net (10.159.42.34) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.279.2; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 20:20:31 +0200 Received: from DEMUMBX005.nsn-intra.net ([169.254.5.154]) by DEMUHTC006.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.42.37]) with mapi id 14.03.0279.002; Tue, 5 Apr 2016 20:20:31 +0200 From: "Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich)" To: Netconf Thread-Topic: Need a Jabber Scribe during IETF #95 NETCONF Session Thread-Index: AdGPZ5O3CAJ4wPCNQwmTFNkevY121g== Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 18:20:30 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.159.42.112] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_E4DE949E6CE3E34993A2FF8AE79131F81CBF112FDEMUMBX005nsnin_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-purgate-type: clean X-purgate-Ad: Categorized by eleven eXpurgate (R) http://www.eleven.de X-purgate: clean X-purgate: This mail is considered clean (visit http://www.eleven.de for further information) X-purgate-size: 1294 X-purgate-ID: 151667::1459880432-00002418-71663750/0/0 Archived-At: Subject: [Netconf] Need a Jabber Scribe during IETF #95 NETCONF Session X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 18:20:39 -0000 --_000_E4DE949E6CE3E34993A2FF8AE79131F81CBF112FDEMUMBX005nsnin_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In case you would like to volunteer, please let the co-chairs know with a note. Thanks, Mehmet --_000_E4DE949E6CE3E34993A2FF8AE79131F81CBF112FDEMUMBX005nsnin_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In case you would like to volunteer,
please let the co-chairs know with a note.
 
Thanks,
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Jethanandani , NETCONF Thread-Topic: [Netconf] Fwd: RFC 5277-bis Thread-Index: AQHRjcYKKOB4uFDk8kaQyVYY3PR7sZ98DWeA Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 01:40:06 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.6.1.160122 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.156.48.77] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D32993416D291albertgociscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] Fwd: RFC 5277-bis X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2016 01:40:11 -0000 --_000_D32993416D291albertgociscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Sharon, Mahesh, Thanks for your input. Note that supporting sending notifications on a client-created session is m= andatory in the draft. Configuration-based subscriptions are not. The full specification of the static (configuration-based) subscription is = work-in-progress. Once completed is should be as well-defined as the curren= t mechanisms. In your example of moving a device from one NMS to another, could you elabo= rate on why you find the current approach cleaner? In the proposed solution, the change would consist in adding one receiver t= o the subscription (NMS B) and removing another (NMS A). Note that there is no need to resend the same parameters again in the propo= sed solution. Thanks, Alberto From: Netconf > o= n behalf of Mahesh Jethanandani > Date: Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 5:29 PM To: NETCONF > Subject: [Netconf] Fwd: RFC 5277-bis As part of update to RFC 5277, I asked the original authors if they wanted = to be involved in its update. Here are their observations on the proposed u= pdates. Begin forwarded message: From: > Subject: RE: RFC 5277-bis Date: April 3, 2016 at 12:34:40 PM GMT-3 hi I started to write some more detailed comments, but have realized it comes = down to a fundamental design approach. I was going to send this comment to = the mailing list via my work account, but am having some trouble logging in= to that (password issues) today and I know you guys are meeting this week,= so wanted to be sure I sent something before meetings started. Hopefully = you can share them with the group. The original approach to Notifications was to move from subscriptions as co= nfiguration owned and managed by the device into sessions that were owned a= nd managed by the client. It was felt that having this manager/client info= rmation on the device made it inherently more complicated based on past exp= erience with SNMP, etc. Sending Notifications on a session create by the m= anager (and therefore correct in its details) that also went away when the = manager shut it down made more operational sense. The proposed update seems to be going back to the model of a subscription a= s configuration data. I would not object to reporting currently subscriptio= ns as part of a get operation, but have concerns about going back to the mo= del of having it as configuration. Let me use a real-world example based on recent customer discussions. We h= ave a network management solution capable of managing a large number of dev= ices, but have a customer with a huge network, so expect to have to deploy = multiple network management systems - not GR, but each one (a GR pair actua= lly) manages different devices. The use case is if they want to move a dev= ice from one to another in order to simplify service management (both endp= oints on the same NMS). - Current solution: de-enroll device from NMS A (shut down subscription = session); enroll in NMS B (start new subscription session, same parameters) - Proposed solution: de-enroll device from NMS A and send request to remo= ve subscription from config for device; enroll in NMS B; and send request t= o add subscription to device. The first approach is much cleaner. And as the subscription is part of a we= ll-defined standardized RPC mechanism, I don't need to worry about differen= ces in implementation (fingers crossed). There are a few other cases where the current solution is cleaner. For me,= it just comes down to the fact that the Notification subscription belongs = to the client and not the server(device), so that is who should manage it a= nd its life-cycle. Enjoy Buenos Aires Sharon Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com --_000_D32993416D291albertgociscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <60468A99B4925445AFC195850DEA8C66@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Sharon, Mahesh,

Thanks for your input.
Note that supporting sending notifications on a client-created session= is mandatory in the draft. Configuration-based subscriptions are not.
The full specification of the static (configuration-based) subscriptio= n is work-in-progress. Once completed is should be as well-defined as the c= urrent mechanisms.
In your example of moving a device from one NMS to another, could you = elaborate on why you find the current approach cleaner?
In the proposed solution, the change would consist in adding one recei= ver to the subscription (NMS B) and removing another (NMS A).
Note that there is no need to resend the same parameters again in the = proposed solution.

Thanks,

Alberto



From: Netconf <netconf-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Ma= hesh Jethanandani <mjethanand= ani@gmail.com>
Date: Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 5:29= PM
To: NETCONF <netconf@ietf.org>
Subject: [Netconf] Fwd: RFC 5277-bi= s

As part of update to RFC 5277, I asked the original authors if they wanted = to be involved in its update. Here are their observations on the proposed u= pdates.

Begin forwarded message:

From: Subject: Date:
There are a few other cases where the current solution is cleaner.  Fo= r me, it just comes down to the fact that the Notification subscription bel= ongs to the client and not the server(device), so that is who should manage= it and its life-cycle.

Enjoy Buenos Aires

Sharon

Mahesh Jethanandani
mjeth= anandani@gmail.com



--_000_D32993416D291albertgociscocom_-- From venkatamallikarjunarao.kosuri@adtran.com Wed Apr 6 03:22:20 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB36712D82C for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2016 03:22:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1RtKVXizcl79 for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2016 03:22:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s12p02o141.mxlogic.net (s12p02o141.mxlogic.net [208.65.145.64]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F05B712D153 for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2016 03:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown [76.164.174.81] by s12p02o141.mxlogic.net(mxl_mta-8.5.0-10) over TLS secured channel with SMTP id 553e4075.0.9450.00-380.25675.s12p02o141.mxlogic.net (envelope-from ); Wed, 06 Apr 2016 04:22:19 -0600 (MDT) X-MXL-Hash: 5704e35b2ac5fd9d-ebbcac3d68b8e6d8f23c9c3d183616a2606f4e9a Received: from ex-mb1.corp.adtran.com ([fe80::51a3:972d:5f16:9952]) by ex-hc1.corp.adtran.com ([fe80::a43f:7ea6:7688:37b%13]) with mapi id 14.03.0266.001; Wed, 6 Apr 2016 05:22:07 -0500 From: "MALLI (VENKATAMALLIKARJUNARAO) KOSURI" To: "netconf@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Restconf list operation examples Thread-Index: AdGP7ircYK+SSRuMQsO0SCOFLiZPOQ== Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 10:22:06 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.20.15.143] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C41A9F2009E9CA4FAE2EEFDDCD8E00B674AB91F0exmb1corpadtran_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-AnalysisOut: [v=2.1 cv=E7DL0Ppl c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=0XgpNN2/4a34ymu16SVwsQ==] X-AnalysisOut: [:117 a=0XgpNN2/4a34ymu16SVwsQ==:17 a=Qz0b7TavcwcA:10 a=xqW] X-AnalysisOut: [C_Br6kY4A:10 a=kziv93cY1bsA:10 a=sT6BvoVQj-0t_FvhbiEA:9 a=] X-AnalysisOut: [CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=iI1fLLV9cvMA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOF] X-AnalysisOut: [EACAAAA:8 a=J-z-rFTzG1HTe3nS-CgA:9 a=IyAWDwNAJ2BqxkTL:21 a] X-AnalysisOut: [=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz] X-AnalysisOut: [4AuCg-hUA:10] X-Spam: [F=0.5695789426; CM=0.500; MH=0.569(2016040607); S=0.200(2015072901)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [76.164.174.81] Archived-At: Subject: [Netconf] Restconf list operation examples X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2016 10:23:49 -0000 --_000_C41A9F2009E9CA4FAE2EEFDDCD8E00B674AB91F0exmb1corpadtran_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Could you let me know, how to write GET, POST, PUT operations fallowing YAN= G model container interfaces { list interface { key name; leaf name { type string; } action reset { input { leaf delay { units seconds; type uint32; default 0; } } } Thanks Malli --_000_C41A9F2009E9CA4FAE2EEFDDCD8E00B674AB91F0exmb1corpadtran_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

 

Could you let me know, how to w= rite GET, POST, PUT operations fallowing YANG model

 

 

container= interfaces {

 &nb= sp;  list interface {

 &nb= sp;    key name;

 &nb= sp;    leaf name { type string; }

&nbs= p;

 &nb= sp;    action reset {

 &nb= sp;      input {

 &nb= sp;        leaf delay {

 &nb= sp;          units seconds;

 &nb= sp;          type uint32;=

 &nb= sp;          default 0;

 &nb= sp;        }

 &nb= sp;      }

 &nb= sp;    }

 

Thanks

Malli

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Hi,

RESTCONF only allows POST for an op= eration resource (e.g., action-stmt).

http= s://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-10#section-3.6
<= /div>


Andy


On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 3:22= AM, MALLI (VENKATAMALLIKARJUNARAO) KOSURI <VENKATA= MALLIKARJUNARAO.KOSURI@adtran.com> wrote:

Hello,

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Could you let me know, how to w= rite GET, POST, PUT operations fallowing YANG model

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

container interfaces {=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 list interface {<= u>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 key n= ame;

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 leaf = name { type string; }

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 actio= n reset {

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 input {

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 leaf delay {

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 units seconds;

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 type uint32;

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 default 0;

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 }

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 }

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 }<= /u>

=C2=A0

Thanks

Malli


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X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD11C12D667 for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2016 13:21:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o-V8XKdh_V1d for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2016 13:21:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trail.lhotka.name (trail.lhotka.name [77.48.224.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2583A12D0BC for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2016 13:21:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dhcp-b234.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.178.52]) by trail.lhotka.name (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BEED51CC0249 for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2016 22:21:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Ladislav Lhotka To: Netconf User-Agent: Notmuch/0.21 (http://notmuchmail.org) Emacs/24.4.51.2 (x86_64-apple-darwin14.0.0) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2016 17:21:16 -0300 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: [Netconf] RESTCONF sec. D.1.1 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2016 20:21:29 -0000 Hi, I am not sure whether this has already been reported, but the examples in sec. D.1.1 of draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-10 gives different JSON and XML data for the same request. I believe "yang-library-version" should be included in JSON encoding, too. Lada -- Ladislav Lhotka, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: E74E8C0C From nobody Wed Apr 6 17:09:30 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietf.org Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 140D412D52B; Wed, 6 Apr 2016 17:09:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.19.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160407000925.1415.44980.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2016 17:09:25 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: netconf@ietf.org Subject: [Netconf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-zerotouch-08.txt X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2016 00:09:25 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration of the IETF. Title : Zero Touch Provisioning for NETCONF or RESTCONF based Management Authors : Kent Watsen Mikael Abrahamsson Filename : draft-ietf-netconf-zerotouch-08.txt Pages : 71 Date : 2016-04-06 Abstract: This draft presents a secure technique for establishing a NETCONF or RESTCONF connection between a newly deployed device, configured with just its factory default settings, and its deployment specific network management system (NMS). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-zerotouch/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-zerotouch-08 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netconf-zerotouch-08 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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X-Received: by 10.25.32.65 with SMTP id g62mr308360lfg.138.1459998807333; Wed, 06 Apr 2016 20:13:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.135.97 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Apr 2016 20:13:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 20:13:27 -0700 Message-ID: From: Andy Bierman To: "Alberto Gonzalez Prieto (albertgo)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1140347648b09d052fdc76b1 Archived-At: Cc: NETCONF Subject: Re: [Netconf] Fwd: RFC 5277-bis X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2016 03:13:32 -0000 --001a1140347648b09d052fdc76b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi, I support the new notifications functionality, even if there might be some corner-cases that cause an extra configuration step if the operator chooses to configure notifications. Customers have long complained about NETCONF notifications because they require the NMS to keep sessions open to all the servers it manages. Configured notification parameters can be shared, which may allow implementations to be more efficient, and allow subscriptions to start a little faster. I also like the idea of permitting the notification receiver to be a different component than the configuration client. This permits more flexible system design. This component does not need a full NETCONF stack. It may use alternate transports not supported by NETCONF (e.g. protobuffs, DTLS/UDP). I don't want to take away existing functionality. That's why I suggested that the new RFC extend 5277 instead of obsolete it. Andy On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 6:40 PM, Alberto Gonzalez Prieto (albertgo) < albertgo@cisco.com> wrote: > Hello Sharon, Mahesh, > > Thanks for your input. > Note that supporting sending notifications on a client-created session is > mandatory in the draft. Configuration-based subscriptions are not. > The full specification of the static (configuration-based) subscription is > work-in-progress. Once completed is should be as well-defined as the > current mechanisms. > In your example of moving a device from one NMS to another, could you > elaborate on why you find the current approach cleaner? > In the proposed solution, the change would consist in adding one receiver > to the subscription (NMS B) and removing another (NMS A). > Note that there is no need to resend the same parameters again in the > proposed solution. > > Thanks, > > Alberto > > > > From: Netconf on behalf of Mahesh Jethanandani > > Date: Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 5:29 PM > To: NETCONF > Subject: [Netconf] Fwd: RFC 5277-bis > > As part of update to RFC 5277, I asked the original authors if they wanted > to be involved in its update. Here are their observations on the proposed > updates. > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From: * > *Subject: **RE: RFC 5277-bis* > *Date: *April 3, 2016 at 12:34:40 PM GMT-3 > > hi > > I started to write some more detailed comments, but have realized it comes > down to a fundamental design approach. I was going to send this comment to > the mailing list via my work account, but am having some trouble logging in > to that (password issues) today and I know you guys are meeting this week, > so wanted to be sure I sent something before meetings started. Hopefully > you can share them with the group. > > The original approach to Notifications was to move from subscriptions as > configuration owned and managed by the device into sessions that were owned > and managed by the client. It was felt that having this manager/client > information on the device made it inherently more complicated based on past > experience with SNMP, etc. Sending Notifications on a session create by > the manager (and therefore correct in its details) that also went away when > the manager shut it down made more operational sense. > > The proposed update seems to be going back to the model of a subscription > as configuration data. I would not object to reporting currently > subscriptions as part of a get operation, but have concerns about going > back to the model of having it as configuration. > > Let me use a real-world example based on recent customer discussions. We > have a network management solution capable of managing a large number of > devices, but have a customer with a huge network, so expect to have to > deploy multiple network management systems - not GR, but each one (a GR > pair actually) manages different devices. The use case is if they want to > move a device from one to another in order to simplify service management > (both endpoints on the same NMS). > - Current solution: de-enroll device from NMS A (shut down subscription > session); enroll in NMS B (start new subscription session, same parameters) > - Proposed solution: de-enroll device from NMS A and send request to > remove subscription from config for device; enroll in NMS B; and send > request to add subscription to device. > > The first approach is much cleaner. And as the subscription is part of a > well-defined standardized RPC mechanism, I don't need to worry about > differences in implementation (fingers crossed). > > There are a few other cases where the current solution is cleaner. For > me, it just comes down to the fact that the Notification subscription > belongs to the client and not the server(device), so that is who should > manage it and its life-cycle. > > Enjoy Buenos Aires > > Sharon > > > Mahesh Jethanandani > mjethanandani@gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Netconf mailing list > Netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > > --001a1140347648b09d052fdc76b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I support the new notifications fun= ctionality, even if
there might be some corner-cases that cause a= n extra configuration
step if the operator chooses to configure n= otifications.
Customers have long complained about NETCONF notifi= cations
because they require the NMS to keep sessions open to all= the servers
it manages.

Configured noti= fication parameters can be shared, which may allow
implementation= s to be more efficient, and allow subscriptions to start
a little= faster.

I also like the idea of permitting the no= tification receiver to be
a different component than the configur= ation client.=C2=A0 This permits
more flexible system design.=C2= =A0 This component does not need
a full NETCONF stack. It may use= alternate transports not
supported by NETCONF (e.g. protobuffs, = DTLS/UDP).

I don't want to take away existing = functionality.=C2=A0 That's why I suggested
that the new RFC = extend 5277 instead of obsolete it.


Andy


<= br>
On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 6:40 PM, Alberto Gonza= lez Prieto (albertgo) <albertgo@cisco.com> wrote:
Hello Sharon, Mahesh,

Thanks for your input.
Note that supporting sending notifications on a client-created session= is mandatory in the draft. Configuration-based subscriptions are not.
The full specification of the static (configuration-based) subscriptio= n is work-in-progress. Once completed is should be as well-defined as the c= urrent mechanisms.
In your example of moving a device from one NMS to another, could you = elaborate on why you find the current approach cleaner?
In the proposed solution, the change would consist in adding one recei= ver to the subscription (NMS B) and removing another (NMS A).
Note that there is no need to resend the same parameters again in the = proposed solution.

Thanks,

Alberto



From: Netconf <netconf-bounces@ietf.org&g= t; on behalf of Mahesh Jethanandani <mjethanandani@gmail.com>
Date: Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 5:29= PM
To: NETCONF <netconf@ietf.org>
Subject: [Netconf] Fwd: RFC 5277-bi= s

As part of update to RFC 5277, I asked the original authors if they wanted = to be involved in its update. Here are their observations on the proposed u= pdates.

Begin forwarded message:

Subject: RE: RFC 5277-bis
Date: April 3, 2016 at 12:34:40 PM GMT-3
hi

I started to write some more detailed comments, but have realized it comes = down to a fundamental design approach. I was going to send this comment to = the mailing list via my work account, but am having some trouble logging in= to that (password issues) today and I know you guys are meeting this week, so wanted to be sure I sent som= ething before meetings started.=C2=A0 Hopefully you can share them with the= group.

The original approach to Notifications was to move from subscriptions as co= nfiguration owned and managed by the device into sessions that were owned a= nd managed by the client.=C2=A0 It was felt that having this manager/client= information on the device made it inherently more complicated based on past experience with SNMP, etc.=C2=A0 Sending No= tifications on a session create by the manager (and therefore correct in it= s details) that also went away when the manager shut it down made more oper= ational sense.

The proposed update seems to be going back to the model of a subscription a= s configuration data. I would not object to reporting currently subscriptio= ns as part of a get operation, but have concerns about going back to the mo= del of having it as configuration.

Let me use a real-world example based on recent customer discussions.=C2=A0= We have a network management solution capable of managing a large number o= f devices, but have a customer with a huge network, so expect to have to de= ploy multiple network management systems - not GR, but each one (a GR pair actually) manages different devices.=C2= =A0 The use case is if they want to move a device from one to=C2=A0 another= in order to simplify service management (both endpoints on the same NMS).<= span>=C2=A0
=C2=A0 - Current solution:=C2=A0 de-enroll device from NMS A (shut down sub= scription session); enroll in NMS B (start new subscription session, same p= arameters)
=C2=A0 - Proposed solution: de-enroll device from NMS A and send request to= remove subscription from config for device; enroll in NMS B; and send requ= est to add subscription to device.

The first approach is much cleaner. And as the subscription is part of a we= ll-defined standardized RPC mechanism, I don't need to worry about diff= erences in implementation (fingers crossed).

There are a few other cases where the current solution is cleaner.=C2=A0 Fo= r me, it just comes down to the fact that the Notification subscription bel= ongs to the client and not the server(device), so that is who should manage= it and its life-cycle.

Enjoy Buenos Aires

Sharon

Mahesh Jethanandani

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<20160407.124832.1967319534116390562.mbj@tail-f.com> To: kwatsen@juniper.net From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: <3D60808E-EB76-4BE9-8281-B91B4FD83527@juniper.net> References: <20160329.212556.1290892363387952983.mbj@tail-f.com> <3D60808E-EB76-4BE9-8281-B91B4FD83527@juniper.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.5 on Emacs 24.3 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: netconf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Netconf] mbj review of draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-server-model-09 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2016 10:48:27 -0000 Kent Watsen wrote: > > Hi Martin, > > Thank you for your review. Below are my responses: [...] > >o Section 4.1 > > > > OLD: > > > > o A configurable list of lists of trust anchor certificates. This > > enables the server to have use-specific trust anchors. For > > > > NEW: > > > > o A configurable list of trust anchor certificates. This > > enables the server to have use-specific trust anchors. For > > > > ... but what does "use-specific" mean? > > Well, it really is a list of lists: > > +--rw trusted-certificates* [name] > +--rw name string > +--rw description? string > +--rw trusted-certificate* [name] > +--rw name string > +--rw certificate? Binary Right... but the description of trusted-certificates says that it is: A list of trusted certificates. You are also using the terms "trust anchor", "trust anchor certificate", and "trusted certificate" somewhat interchangeably. This maybe adds to the confusion. Should the "trusted-certificates" list be called "trusted-certificate-list" (or "-set")? > The example in Section 4.1.2 illustrates what is meant by use-specific: > > > > > explicitly-trusted-client-certs > > ... > > > > > > deployment-specific-ca-certs > > ... > > > > > > common-ca-certs > > ... > > > > Does it makes sense now? - how would you like to see the text improved? I just didn't understand the term "use-specific". I would have expected "use-case-specific" or something... (but english is not my native language, obviously) > >o Section 4.1 > > > > The text says: > > > > o An RPC to request the server to load a new private key. > > > > When I first read this, I didn't understand what this meant. See > > more below. > > > > > >o Section 4.1 > > > > I think the "semi-configurable" design has some issues. You have > > defined some actions that actually modifies the configuration of the > > system. It is not clear which config datastore is modified. > > Presumably running. Interactions with locking and access control > > are not described. Also, the resulting configuration is not > > complete - i.e., you cannot do to save/restore a > > backup. This is fine, since you really don't want to expose the > > private keys in the config backup. But some discussion is needed > > around this subject. What happens if I generate a private key with > > your action, backup that config and then restore it? What happens > > with config that has references to such a key? > > > > One way to avoid that the actions modify the configuration could be > > to move them into the private-key list. One drawback is that two > > operations are needed in order to create a (usable) key - first > > create the config in running, then call the action. > > > > Another option might be to model the keys as config false data. > > This also solves the problem that some keys (in TPM for example) > > are not deletable. > > Yes, the action statements are intended to update the running > datastore. Presumably because the actions are either generating or > loading a new key, there would not be a real world locking issue, > but I can see how this might lead to undesirable results. Access > control (NACM) was removed when we moved to the keychain based > approach, but presumably the private key would need to protected by > nacm:default-deny-all. > > I see what you're saying. You're right about this breaking backup > and restore. The only way to fix it is for the backup > () to contain the private keys. But note that systems > using a TPM actually have NO WAY to get the private key out of the > TPM - only the TPM itself has access to the private key. So for > these systems, backup/restore (RMA) is impossible, even with > root-level access on the command line. > > I'm not sure if I understand your first option. Do you mean the > client would create a dummy private key entry (a placeholder) and > then call an action to populate the key with data? Yes, but since the private key is not part of the config, the action will not touch the running config. > I don't think the private keys can be config false, since they are > referenced by config true nodes in the tls/ssh-server modules. You can have a require-instance false leafref to the config false of keys, and then describe what will happen if some server is configured to point to a private key that doesn't exist. There are systems with tamper-proof hw that won't allow you to access the keys unless a physical token is present (e.g. a USB stick). In such systems, you may very well end up with config that refers to a key that isn't available. Question 1: If the private key is not stored in special HW, do we want to support backup/restore of such keys? If the answer is yes: Use a config list and a separate -state list. Make all references point to the -state list (in order to handle TPM etc) If the answer is no: Use only a config false list and define actions to manipulate the list. > I'll add this to the Open Issues to be discussed in tomorrow's meeting. [...] > >o Section 4.1.3 > > > > I think the "algorithms" typedef should be called "algorithm". But > > actually, it should probably have a more descriptive name > > "algorithm" is rather generic... > > > > Also, this is an fixed enumeration. Section 5 says: > > > > In additional > > algorithms are needed, they MAY be augmented in by another module, > > > > [note: s/In/If/] > > > > You can't really augment in additional enums. You'd have to augment > > an additional leaf of some other type. > > > > What happens to the "algorithm" leaf when I load a key with your > > action? Will other algorithms be rejected? > > > > If you keep the enums, a reference statement for each enum would be > > useful. > > Hmmm, would an identity be a better way to achieve do this? Yes, if you need the flexibility (which I think you do). [...] > >o Section 4.2.3 > > > > You have a leaf: > > > > leaf certificate { > > if-feature ssh-x509-certs; > > type leafref { > > path "/kc:keychain/kc:private-keys/kc:private-key/" > > + "kc:certificate-chains/kc:certificate-chain/" > > + "kc:certificate"; > > } > > > > This is a leafref that will actually contain the entire binary > > certificate. This may be a bit awkward... Unless you really meant > > kc:name as the last part of the path? In either case, the > > description statement probably needs an update. > > > > Also, the path crosses two lists, which in general means that that > > the leafref may refer to multiple leafs. But in this case it might > > be ok. > > > Changed to kc:name. I don't understand, how does crossing two lists > >result in the leafref referring to multiple leafs? Suppose you have: list foo { key id; ... list bar { key id; ... } } leaf x { type leafref { path "/foo/bar/id"; } } and this instance data: F1 B F2 B and also: B The leaf x now points to two leafs: /foo[id='F1']/bar[id='B']/id /foo[id='F2']/bar[id='B']/id > >o Section 4.2.3 > > > > leaf address { > > type inet:ip-address; > > description > > "The IP address of the interface to listen on. The SSH > > server will listen on all interfaces if no value is > > specified."; > > } > > > > What about "0.0.0.0" and "::"? > > Is your recommendation to add text indicating that there values also > result in the server listening on all interfaces? After thinking some more, I'd say "no". (But we should at least be aware of the fact that :: means different things on different OSes) > >So a missing 'address' leaf should > > mean any ipv4 and ipv6 address on all interfaces? > > Yes, this is the intent, isn't it a common idiom? I am more used to seeing explicit 0.0.0.0 or ::. In (the very expired) draft https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-schoenw-netmod-yang-pattern-00 we recommend that the ip-address is mandatory, forcing the explicit wildcard if needed. > >o Section 4.4.1 > > > > You have: > > > > +--rw listen {(ssh-listen or tls-listen)}? > > > > Hmm, the design allows for other protocols than ssl and tls (just > > augment new cases). But this if-feature statement essentially > > REQUIRE an implementation to _also_ support ssh or tls. Is that > > intentional? > > Not intentional. Is there any way that a future version of YANG > could enable a new feature to be OR-ed into an existing if-feature > statement? Nope. There are two options; either remove the feature on the listen container, or define a new feature "listen" which the server will advertise if it supports listening on *some* protocol. /martin From nobody Thu Apr 7 10:35:19 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7128312D0C2 for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2016 10:35:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XqjhRZ__XTmq for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2016 10:35:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CEFE12D533 for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2016 10:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43D092009E; Thu, 7 Apr 2016 13:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A6563755; Thu, 7 Apr 2016 13:35:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Kent Watsen In-Reply-To: <9F367C13-C732-447F-9CCD-74788FC767AA@juniper.net> References: <14967.1459537300@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <59067843-E22A-42E3-81D1-29ECCD4F6EEC@juniper.net> <26529.1459647848@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <616183C1-E7C6-4562-9C7F-172DCDD53376@juniper.net> <10677.1459704924@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <9F367C13-C732-447F-9CCD-74788FC767AA@juniper.net> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.4.2 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Cc: max pritikin , "netconf@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Netconf] comments on draft-ietf-netconf-zerotouch-07 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2016 17:35:17 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Kent Watsen wrote: >> 1) I have sent Kent and Mikhail a github pull request with editorial >> suggestions on the text against the XML. Here is the link to the diffs, >> and I also include them at the end of this email for archival purposes, >> omitting whitespace changes: >> >> https://github.com/netconf-wg/zero-touch/pull/10 > I just incorporated this. I changed a few things from your pull > request, but the spirit of it mostly survived. I did back out the new > terms you proposed, as well as the associated sub-sections in the > "Conveying Ownership" section, but I did so only after rewriting that > section to be more precise, which is what I think you were trying to > achieve as well. Please let me know if you disagree! okay, I will re-read, but not this week. mcr> Is there a MTI? Is information going to be available in multiple mcr> formats? Who decides?: Or does it not matter, because the vendor mcr> decides? > Each source of bootstrapping information has its own strategy for typing the data: > 1) Removable storage: presumably the file's suffix (e.g., config.xml or config.json) > 2) DNS server: data is mapped to DNS SVR and TXT records > 3) DHCP server: the DHCP options defined in Section 9.1 have an "encoding" parameter > 4) Bootstrap server: per RESTCONF, HTTP "Accept" and "Content-Type" headers are used yes, that explains the types, but doesn't explain which types must be supported in order to get interoperability. It would be fine if there was an applicability statement that said, "VoIP Phones will use format X and Y" or "Home NAS boxes will use format Y and Z" >> 3) where "X.509" is written, I think maybe we should be writing PKIX? > Can you call out exactly where you think this should be done? I think anyplace. X509 is an ITU specification which was too broad for anyone to use, and so the IETF PKIX WG created a profile of it. >> 4) is there any reason why an artifact that is retrieved securely >> can not *also* be signed? > It can. For instance, Section 4.4 says: Then I think that you can simplify your text a lot by never stating that it can not be signed. Instead, the question isn't if it is signed, but rather if the signature can be trusted. >> 5) section 3.2: >> > The configuration can configure any aspect of the device but, in >> > order to fulfill the goal of the zero touch bootstrapping process, >> >> Could this be recursive? i.e. the first server actually returns a new set of >> "hints" and trust anchors that lets it start again? Could other goals be >> defined? It seems that this requirement is pretty soft. > The solution does allow for recursive redirections, but I think your > question regards what the configuration the device downloads from the > bootstrap server. As currently defined, this draft does not define a > YANG module providing a configuration data-model that could be used to > configure the bootstrapping data. Do you think it should? Perhaps not this document, but I think that such a document should exist. > Regarding other goals, as the quoted text above says, the configuration > downloaded from the bootstrap server can be anything. So, for > instance, the configuration could additionally configure MPLS or IPSEC > if desired. Is this what you meant? no. >> 6) I suggest in section 4.1, Removable Storage, I suggest adding a reference >> to one of: >> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CloudInit >> https://cloudinit.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ >> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/an-introduction-to-cloud-config-scripting >> >> but I don't have a reference to a protocol specification that is behind all >> of this. > I see the similarity, but I don't see why there might be a desired to > add a reference to cloud-init. What are you thinking here? cloud-init, and friends are an example of an unsigned artifact which a "device" find on removable storage when it boots. also: https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/user-data.html >> 7) 4.1: add reference to some embedded signature format. >> (I don't have one to add) > Right, I saw that in your pull request. I decided to instead to delete > all the text regarding the possibility of the boot-image. > I also realized that this text was not unique to removable storage, and > so instead moved it to Section 6.6 (Processing Bootstrap Information). okay. I'm sure that there must be some specifications out there that we could point at. My goal here is really to be inclusive of those communities. >> 12) is the client permitted to send "no notification", if it has nothing to >> say? > First, please note that when a device connects to an untrusted > bootstrap server, it MUST NOT send any notification. Yes, I get that. It got said multiple times. > That said, Section 4.4 (Bootstrap Server), and similar text in Section > 6.3 (Processing a Source of Bootstrapping Data), says: > When the device is able to trust the > bootstrap server, it MUST send its IDevID certificate in the form of > a client certificate, and MUST send notifications to the bootstrap > server, using the "notification" action defined in Section 7.4. > But it doesn't say which, if any, of the "notification-type" enums > defined in Section 7.4. (YANG Module) are to be sent. Presumably a > device would minimally send the "bootstrap-initiated" and > "bootstrap-complete" notifications, but this isn't currently stated. Okay, so it would be good to point to at least section 7.4 there then. > What is your opinion on this? It's good to know what to expect, so that the registrar/bootserver can build a sensible statement machine. >> 13) In section 5.3: >> >Details such as the format of filesystem and >> >the naming of the files are left to the device's manufacturer to >> >define. >> >> I think we should actually say something about the formats here: We should >> say that they SHOULD be industry standard formats. > I can go either way, does anyone else have an option? I don't know if there is an IPR-free description of VFAT, but that's what I had in mind. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEVAwUBVwaaTICLcPvd0N1lAQJCowf8DZkSlZn6iULURMz6/yOx5VYzXyVmgozy HldZ+Sjkh+4rhrC1/7lWr5/BBu540ib7DWdrxMQH7r8HViRxM4tIYHqixP4kQozw 3yorsgGO4pLO6KmqOXS3Bzw+fE0iwtOqYMJr4ZFiqA6zoOeH4FN/bZ+B7GLJp7TU pbN34VgpvttM8U5bM/HS0aPflo+EDGSURawleXIV6sbkwmSn/hDCESO/kqEYYNtM +YP3DSZztjBm5O4bLABk12nhpV+Q2Kz1xgB5GkeWFP97sT/1j/fCAkQEc1PkqOZm iHCz5pTrfzXxG88l29GAcD23RP/gITiDsYJMPX+t9AOqlXX6KXbrVw== =rDuI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Thu Apr 7 12:16:24 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A674F12D0EF for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2016 12:16:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bXdP5ogaYX9j for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2016 12:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C36F12D0B7 for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2016 12:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (h-186-70.a165.priv.bahnhof.se [109.228.186.70]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E03051AE028E for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2016 21:16:18 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2016 21:16:18 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20160407.211618.713559915962370737.mbj@tail-f.com> To: netconf@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund X-Mailer: Mew version 6.5 on Emacs 24.3 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Netconf] yang push drafts X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2016 19:16:22 -0000 Hi, I am a bit confused about the discussion on four drafts for yang push. In my view, RFC 6241 + 5277 (or 5277bis) defines how the NETCONF transport works. There is nothing in the *-push-* suite of drafts that changes this, right? Also, draft-ietf-netconf-restconf defines how to transport any YANG object (data, rpc, notification) over RESTCONF. Again, nothing in *-push-* changes this, right? For HTTP and HTTP2 we need something new, if they are in scope. The new things that YANG push brings is (1) a new YANG module to control both dynamic and static subscriptions, in a transport-independent way, and (2) a way to define trigger expressions on datastores (and related parameters) for the subscriptions in (1). Would it make sense to instead split the YANG push document into the two pieces identified above? Also, currently there seems to be overlap between YANG push and 5277bis; both define ways to control dynamic and static subscriptions. However, 5277bis is NETCONF-specifc but content-generic, whereas YANG push is transport-generic but content-specific (can only be used for the data store push mechanism). /martin From nobody Thu Apr 7 14:43:29 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B8B12D714 for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2016 14:43:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.62 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.62 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pDT6MniOXJss for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2016 14:43:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0b-00103a01.pphosted.com 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15.00.1104.009; Thu, 7 Apr 2016 20:00:16 -0400 From: "Alexander Clemm (alex)" To: Martin Bjorklund , "netconf@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Netconf] yang push drafts Thread-Index: AQHRkQIB8RXdhx3Vik2QyMYoJt7BdJ9/MLcA Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 00:00:16 +0000 Message-ID: <5955a6d8c3c349d89df9bea9d9d400b0@XCH-RTP-001.cisco.com> References: <20160407.211618.713559915962370737.mbj@tail-f.com> In-Reply-To: <20160407.211618.713559915962370737.mbj@tail-f.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.154.160.128] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] yang push drafts X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2016 00:00:20 -0000 Hi Martin, I am not sure what you are proposing - are you proposing one more draft - s= plitting YANG-Push? I think we are all in agreement on the "guiding principles" - separation of= subscription model from the transports, and separation of the definition o= f update triggers and what to include in update records from subscriptions = to an event stream. =20 >From there, I would see one logical way to structure it as follows: (a) Subscription model for event notifications - create-subscription to an = event stream etc. The subscription model can be defined as a YANG model (b) Netconf transport for event notifications. =20 (a) and (b) are subject to RFC 5277bis, but separable into an RFC 5277bis (= a) and (b), if you will, for a clear transport and subscription model separ= ation. =20 On top, we have=20 (c) YANG-Push - in essence providing a way to define triggers (and a few ot= her things) for a stream of updates that users can subscribe to. This is i= n essence again a YANG Model. The way the updates are streamed/communicate= d is defined separately, as different transports can be configured. =20 Finally, (d) defines another tranport (e.g. HTTP2) in addition to Netconf t= ransport (b).=20 On your other comment, you are correct that YANG-Push and RFC 5277bis curre= ntly have overlap. Basically, portions of YANG-Push are being pulled into = RFC 5277bis. We haven't updated YANG-Push since we published RFC5277bis. = The next revision will address that. =20 --- Alex=20 -----Original Message----- From: Netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Martin Bjorklu= nd Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 12:16 PM To: netconf@ietf.org Subject: [Netconf] yang push drafts Hi, I am a bit confused about the discussion on four drafts for yang push. In my view, RFC 6241 + 5277 (or 5277bis) defines how the NETCONF transport = works. There is nothing in the *-push-* suite of drafts that changes this,= right? Also, draft-ietf-netconf-restconf defines how to transport any YANG object = (data, rpc, notification) over RESTCONF. Again, nothing in *-push-* changes this, right? For HTTP and HTTP2 we need something new, if they are in scope. The new things that YANG push brings is (1) a new YANG module to control bo= th dynamic and static subscriptions, in a transport-independent way, and (2= ) a way to define trigger expressions on datastores (and related parameters= ) for the subscriptions in (1). Would it make sense to instead split the YANG push document into the two pi= eces identified above? Also, currently there seems to be overlap between YANG push and 5277bis; bo= th define ways to control dynamic and static subscriptions. However, 5277b= is is NETCONF-specifc but content-generic, whereas YANG push is transport-g= eneric but content-specific (can only be used for the data store push mecha= nism). /martin _______________________________________________ Netconf mailing list Netconf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf From nobody Thu Apr 7 23:37:02 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5C1412D1DA for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2016 23:37:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QCOuns9nWpSu for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2016 23:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C2F12D15C for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2016 23:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (h-186-70.a165.priv.bahnhof.se [109.228.186.70]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4E0F11AE0442; Fri, 8 Apr 2016 08:36:56 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2016 08:36:56 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20160408.083656.300674541946534958.mbj@tail-f.com> To: alex@cisco.com From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: <5955a6d8c3c349d89df9bea9d9d400b0@XCH-RTP-001.cisco.com> References: <20160407.211618.713559915962370737.mbj@tail-f.com> <5955a6d8c3c349d89df9bea9d9d400b0@XCH-RTP-001.cisco.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.5 on Emacs 24.3 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: netconf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Netconf] yang push drafts X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2016 06:37:00 -0000 "Alexander Clemm (alex)" wrote: > Hi Martin, > > I am not sure what you are proposing - are you proposing one more > draft - splitting YANG-Push? > > I think we are all in agreement on the "guiding principles" - > separation of subscription model from the transports, and separation > of the definition of update triggers and what to include in update > records from subscriptions to an event stream. > > From there, I would see one logical way to structure it as follows: > > (a) Subscription model for event notifications - create-subscription > to an event stream etc. The subscription model can be defined as a > YANG model > (b) Netconf transport for event notifications. > > (a) and (b) are subject to RFC 5277bis, but separable into an RFC > 5277bis (a) and (b), if you will, for a clear transport and > subscription model separation. I was thinking that esp. static subscriptions would benfit from having one single transport-independent model to control them. Of course, there would have to be transport-specific stuff there as well, possibly as augmentations. Dynamic subscriptions are a bit different; in NETCONF you send an rpc, in RESTCONF you GET a stream resource. However, it might be useful to define the create-subscription / establish-subscription rpcs in such a way that they _can_ be used by other transports. > On top, we have > (c) YANG-Push - in essence providing a way to define triggers (and a > few other things) for a stream of updates that users can subscribe to. > This is in essence again a YANG Model. The way the updates are > streamed/communicated is defined separately, as different transports > can be configured. For static subscriptions, this results in a nice, layered model. The YANG push would augment the generic static susbcription data model, and everything would "just work" for all transports. This is nice, b/c if we in the future come up with yet another generic feature to configure the generation of certain notifications, we can just do one more augmentation. But for dynamic subscriptions, it is more difficult, due to the fact that we have transport-specific ways to start them. For NETCONF, we would augemnt create-subscription / establish-subscription, but for RESTCONF, we'd have to define query paramters in plain text. This is not a great model... /martin > Finally, (d) defines another tranport (e.g. HTTP2) in addition to > Netconf transport (b). > > On your other comment, you are correct that YANG-Push and RFC 5277bis > currently have overlap. Basically, portions of YANG-Push are being > pulled into RFC 5277bis. We haven't updated YANG-Push since we > published RFC5277bis. The next revision will address that. > > --- Alex > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Martin > Bjorklund > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 12:16 PM > To: netconf@ietf.org > Subject: [Netconf] yang push drafts > > Hi, > > I am a bit confused about the discussion on four drafts for yang push. > > In my view, RFC 6241 + 5277 (or 5277bis) defines how the NETCONF > transport works. There is nothing in the *-push-* suite of drafts > that changes this, right? > > Also, draft-ietf-netconf-restconf defines how to transport any YANG > object (data, rpc, notification) over RESTCONF. Again, nothing in > *-push-* changes this, right? > > For HTTP and HTTP2 we need something new, if they are in scope. > > The new things that YANG push brings is (1) a new YANG module to > control both dynamic and static subscriptions, in a > transport-independent way, and (2) a way to define trigger expressions > on datastores (and related parameters) for the subscriptions in (1). > > Would it make sense to instead split the YANG push document into the > two pieces identified above? > > Also, currently there seems to be overlap between YANG push and > 5277bis; both define ways to control dynamic and static subscriptions. > However, 5277bis is NETCONF-specifc but content-generic, whereas YANG > push is transport-generic but content-specific (can only be used for > the data store push mechanism). > > > > /martin > > _______________________________________________ > Netconf mailing list > Netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > From nobody Fri Apr 8 09:16:02 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD20712D5C7 for ; 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Below are my responses: > > > >o Section 5 > > > > ietf-system-keychain vs. ietf-routing-key-chain > > > > Is it "keychain" or "key-chain"? > > I've never seen "key-chain" before. Many OSs (e.g., mac, linux, openbsd, freebsd) have a utility called "keychain". > Kent The IETF is riddled with them e.g. " The key-chain YANG model groups several keys into a single key chain." in draft-chen-rtgwg-key-table-yang along with 16 other YANG I-Ds that I have seen lately, containing snippets such as container key-chains { list key-chain-list { key "name"; description "List of key-chains."; uses key-chain; I think that there should be a consistent spelling across the IETF. Tom Petch > > > >o General remark. > > > > Unless it is too much of a burden, I think it would make sense to > > move the generic tls and ssh grouping models (and keychain) into a > > separate draft. It might also be useful with corresponding > > groupings for ssh/tls clients (which you almost already have). > > This will be discussed in tomorrow's meeting > > > Thanks, > Kent > > > _______________________________________________ > Netconf mailing list > Netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf From nobody Sat Apr 9 21:36:49 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietf.org Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD9612D595; Sat, 9 Apr 2016 21:36:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.19.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160410043646.2802.24428.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2016 21:36:46 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: netconf@ietf.org Subject: [Netconf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-yang-library-05.txt X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 04:36:46 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration of the IETF. Title : YANG Module Library Authors : Andy Bierman Martin Bjorklund Kent Watsen Filename : draft-ietf-netconf-yang-library-05.txt Pages : 15 Date : 2016-04-09 Abstract: This document describes a YANG library, which provides information about all the YANG modules used by a network management server (e.g., a Network Configuration Protocol (NETCONF) server). Simple caching mechanisms are provided to allow clients to minimize retrieval of this information. 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Andy On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 9:36 PM, wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration of the IETF. > > Title : YANG Module Library > Authors : Andy Bierman > Martin Bjorklund > Kent Watsen > Filename : draft-ietf-netconf-yang-library-05.txt > Pages : 15 > Date : 2016-04-09 > > Abstract: > This document describes a YANG library, which provides information > about all the YANG modules used by a network management server (e.g., > a Network Configuration Protocol (NETCONF) server). Simple caching > mechanisms are provided to allow clients to minimize retrieval of > this information. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-yang-library/ > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-yang-library-05 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netconf-yang-library-05 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft > > directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > --001a11424abe87bdc405301a05fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

This draft of the YANG Library addr= esses the secdir and AD reviews on draft-04,
and contains only cl= arifications.


Andy


On Sat, Apr 9= , 2016 at 9:36 PM, <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:=

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration of the IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= YANG Module Library
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Andy= Bierman
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Martin Bjorklund
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Kent Watsen
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-netconf-yang-library-05.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 15
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2016-04-09

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document describes a YANG library, which provides informa= tion
=C2=A0 =C2=A0about all the YANG modules used by a network management server= (e.g.,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0a Network Configuration Protocol (NETCONF) server).=C2=A0 Simp= le caching
=C2=A0 =C2=A0mechanisms are provided to allow clients to minimize retrieval= of
=C2=A0 =C2=A0this information.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dr= aft-ietf-netconf-yang-library/

There's also a htmlized version available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf= -netconf-yang-library-05

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https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?u= rl2=3Ddraft-ietf-netconf-yang-library-05


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--001a11424abe87bdc405301a05fb-- From nobody Sat Apr 9 22:04:12 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F14D12D596 for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2016 22:04:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=yumaworks-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EglLgyO_BGNv for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2016 22:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lf0-x22c.google.com (mail-lf0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74D4812D178 for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2016 22:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id e190so117696570lfe.0 for ; Sat, 09 Apr 2016 22:04:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yumaworks-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=kw3zPLBFCXO1RLOo98014LG4GSCFRk7FYYCsikzP9G4=; b=E01dy18XIj/FuRNbf4ro8+UbREgTpbv0ZVIJBiD5+h0jvH0QlwihtCtQgN0d2SAmv4 F3/djwOtXFaaj21KTAiZTP5WRr6Is5CcpPdA/lA9QNzU3FvrxecI5pW70XVEwA97bN/q TEmrN+yUN7MIBHT02JA/tv5kqlrs4PGiXRoExIkc1rTapV1n33rndbYPUSnklVzj2oOX 1dEG8OXN9GntNxaxxKd7r8X3Ao1GcKmFFZ+znhvJRvhLedJQ/v3AghMqZKYzZWgVFNdc Se50dyiEYVA80uyi8Ian7x+HYK8GSwMzEsQwum4jxN+JdyrbScD28JpVXXraBw13ZmqO NyuQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=kw3zPLBFCXO1RLOo98014LG4GSCFRk7FYYCsikzP9G4=; b=COrgd+qF8LpGsbbVmDcReF817gu654sSm5KIoyvX39+gEVSAQBqaeDOaGnGE2cVUiT G/exnh8EeRrBntIojz9td0PtU8s3Nt8of+FZrmgb3IZ6yEbPIfvT+xQVmT+vKmTzTsaI iNQ6ITF4UvOjaymvtTTSoxiLDKq98/9APT+wznayBh+MBLl40P79Eqt0QP/dMc+chy4T 3p2IX2j9yd9oD2rs8FaTgUdqCi1NH6Et6ukYceiUNRGyaFiQpGxOzeSC9kyjN/GRPARD O6Da3g4NyUqwXK+n7tyydB+cw1L8aRf11M7z+5g9jlgB5TF37SJ0AMGn/HywVPCjuj8h ZbTA== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJInkcogW+qpig1mRS+fnD+JLcTORLY7XyUBCAnOqMvmvcqD/D8ZqBcpbm8xxD9RllWPVS16YfDIkulouw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.56.43 with SMTP id x11mr6217385lbp.145.1460264646324; Sat, 09 Apr 2016 22:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.135.97 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Apr 2016 22:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 22:04:06 -0700 Message-ID: From: Andy Bierman To: Netconf Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1133a9ea85d04005301a5bc7 Archived-At: Subject: [Netconf] time for a new NETCONF version? X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 05:04:10 -0000 --001a1133a9ea85d04005301a5bc7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi, There are many deficiencies in NETCONF 1.1 that should be addressed. One in particular that keeps coming up at every IETF is the hard-wired XML encoding or all NETCONF messages. There is currently a YANG to JSON draft almost standardized and a YANG to CBOR draft just started. IMO it is time to support a more advanced capabilities exchange so the client can pick a different message encoding, and new encoding formats can be added without republishing the protocol. I already proposed a way to do this in NETCONF: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bierman-netconf-efficiency-extensions-01#section-1.3.2 A mechanism like this can be interoperable without the NETCONF WG controlling every possible encoding that may be used with NETCONF. Andy --001a1133a9ea85d04005301a5bc7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

There are many deficiencies in NETC= ONF 1.1 that should be addressed.
One in particular that keeps co= ming up at every IETF is the hard-wired
XML encoding or all NETCO= NF messages.

There is currently a YANG to JSON dra= ft almost standardized
and a YANG to CBOR draft just started.=C2= =A0 IMO it is time to
support a more advanced capabilities exchan= ge so the client
can pick a different message encoding, and new e= ncoding formats
can be added without republishing the protocol.

I already proposed a way to do this in NETCONF:

=
A mechanism like this can be interoperable without the NETCONF WG
controlling every possible encoding that may be used with NETCONF.


Andy


--001a1133a9ea85d04005301a5bc7-- From nobody Sun Apr 10 19:33:28 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietf.org Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2935B12E08B; Sun, 10 Apr 2016 19:33:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.19.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160411023323.10231.81813.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 19:33:23 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: netconf@ietf.org Subject: [Netconf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-11.txt X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 02:33:24 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration of the IETF. Title : RESTCONF Protocol Authors : Andy Bierman Martin Bjorklund Kent Watsen Filename : draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-11.txt Pages : 116 Date : 2016-04-10 Abstract: This document describes an HTTP-based protocol that provides a programmatic interface for accessing data defined in YANG, using the datastores defined in NETCONF. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-restconf/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-11 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-11 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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(issues 56 - 58 on https://github.com/netconf-wg/restconf/issues) The RESTCONF, YANG Patch, and YANG Library drafts are now complete and ready for IESG and final IETF review. Andy On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 7:33 PM, wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration of the IETF. > > Title : RESTCONF Protocol > Authors : Andy Bierman > Martin Bjorklund > Kent Watsen > Filename : draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-11.txt > Pages : 116 > Date : 2016-04-10 > > Abstract: > This document describes an HTTP-based protocol that provides a > programmatic interface for accessing data defined in YANG, using the > datastores defined in NETCONF. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-restconf/ > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-11 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-11 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > --047d7b3a8bd239bb6505302c6b0b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

This draft-11 addresses comments on= draft-10 from Lada and Tom Petch.

The RESTCONF, YANG Pat= ch, and YANG Library drafts are now complete
and =C2=A0ready for = IESG and final IETF review.


Andy


On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 7:33 PM, <internet-drafts@ietf.org<= /a>> wrote:

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration of the IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= RESTCONF Protocol
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Andy= Bierman
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Martin Bjorklund
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Kent Watsen
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-netconf-restconf-11.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 116
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2016-04-10

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document describes an HTTP-based protocol that provides a=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0programmatic interface for accessing data defined in YANG, usi= ng the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0datastores defined in NETCONF.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-= ietf-netconf-restconf/

There's also a htmlized version available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ne= tconf-restconf-11

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2= =3Ddraft-ietf-netconf-restconf-11


Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n
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--047d7b3a8bd239bb6505302c6b0b-- From nobody Mon Apr 11 02:35:45 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 343CC12DB6B for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2016 02:35:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.088 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.088 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_MOSTLY=0.428, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dsQEpjgvpNsj for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2016 02:35:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-1.cisco.com (aer-iport-1.cisco.com [173.38.203.51]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BEAB412EA6C for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2016 02:35:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=45842; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1460367329; x=1461576929; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date: mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=vTkXmAri73Df2oE4V5VZVo/6D/9qcvEXhoTShAY4zC8=; b=CHDpREQlKaqF3EeKZ9WaM8DUrXSuYoWTq6YnAFm+2SSaD1gd9f44j3wN qnhEFX6j7TIfA7xkEGwoMudn17dlcOQgo+Mpvm72FB1XeU0uSQZsQnrVO n8lKASMEM1rbV+kwhJ8zu8JgKi+XA/zvR9uQJnfh/NW4P94g04BqR1odl I=; X-Files: : None X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0B+AgCmbgtX/xbLJq1cgmuBH326WQ6Bc?= =?us-ascii?q?hcBCYUiSgIigT4UAQEBAQEBAWUnhEIBAQQBAQEXVAoBEAsYCRYBBwcJAwIBAgE?= =?us-ascii?q?VHxEGDQYCAQEFiB4OvUcBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQENCIYhhEuEBSJEA?= =?us-ascii?q?QmFIAWYBIMkgWZtgnKFI4FnToN/gwWEOYEbh16HSB4BQ4IEGYFLOzABiHaBNAE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.24,462,1454976000"; d="scan'208,217";a="676690605" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-4.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 11 Apr 2016 09:35:25 +0000 Received: from [10.63.23.130] (dhcp-ensft1-uk-vla370-10-63-23-130.cisco.com [10.63.23.130]) by aer-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u3B9ZPF4022491; Mon, 11 Apr 2016 09:35:25 GMT To: Andy Bierman References: <20160411023323.10231.81813.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Robert Wilton Message-ID: <570B6FDB.8050208@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 10:35:23 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060702090505020106030102" Archived-At: Cc: Netconf Subject: Re: [Netconf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-11.txt X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 09:35:44 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060702090505020106030102 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020907080609090001070405" --------------020907080609090001070405 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Andy, Did you have a chance to consider my comments or incorporate my feedback on RESTCONF 9/10 (attached)? Thanks, Rob On 11/04/2016 03:36, Andy Bierman wrote: > Hi, > > This draft-11 addresses comments on draft-10 from Lada and Tom Petch. > (issues 56 - 58 on https://github.com/netconf-wg/restconf/issues) > > The RESTCONF, YANG Patch, and YANG Library drafts are now complete > and ready for IESG and final IETF review. > > > Andy > > > On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 7:33 PM, > wrote: > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration of the IETF. > > Title : RESTCONF Protocol > Authors : Andy Bierman > Martin Bjorklund > Kent Watsen > Filename : draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-11.txt > Pages : 116 > Date : 2016-04-10 > > Abstract: > This document describes an HTTP-based protocol that provides a > programmatic interface for accessing data defined in YANG, > using the > datastores defined in NETCONF. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-restconf/ > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-11 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-11 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at > tools.ietf.org . > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft > > directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Netconf mailing list > Netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf --------------020907080609090001070405 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Andy,

Did you have a chance to consider my comments or incorporate my feedback on RESTCONF 9/10 (attached)?

Thanks,
Rob


On 11/04/2016 03:36, Andy Bierman wrote:
Hi,

This draft-11 addresses comments on draft-10 from Lada and Tom Petch.

The RESTCONF, YANG Patch, and YANG Library drafts are now complete
and  ready for IESG and final IETF review.


Andy


On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 7:33 PM, <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration of the IETF.

        Title           : RESTCONF Protocol
        Authors         : Andy Bierman
                          Martin Bjorklund
                          Kent Watsen
        Filename        : draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-11.txt
        Pages           : 116
        Date            : 2016-04-10

Abstract:
   This document describes an HTTP-based protocol that provides a
   programmatic interface for accessing data defined in YANG, using the
   datastores defined in NETCONF.


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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-restconf/

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boundary="------------040305030206030709000200" --------------040305030206030709000200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Andy, Kent, Martin, I think that you have addresses some of my recent comments on 09, but not all of them. I've reproduced what I think are my outstanding review comments here which I think also apply to -10; The first 6 questions related to section 4.8: Query Parameters: 1. Are query parameters and paths case sensitive? I would guess so. The draft doesn't make any explicit mention of this, does it need to? 2. Should an unexpected query parameter cause an error or should it just be ignored? For some (but not all) of the query parameters in sections 4.8.1 through 4.8.9 it indicates that an explicit error should be returned if the query parameter is used for an resource type on which it isn't supported, but section 4.8 allows vendor specific query parameters to also be defined. I think that interop might be easier if unknown query parameters are just ignored. 3. Both the depth and fields query parameters (4.8.2 & 4.8.3) indicate that they apply to the API resource (3.3), but I wasn't sure that they served any purpose since my reading of the draft is that the api resource is just the top level and effectively fixed. I.e. it doesn't return any data from the datastore or the operations, and they need to be explicitly queried separately if required. Proposed fix: 4.8.2 & 4.8.3 Old: This parameter is only allowed for GET methods on*API,* datastore, and data resources. A "400 Bad Request" status-line is returned if it used for other methods or resource types. 4.8.2 & 4.8.3 New: This parameter is only allowed for GET methods on datastore, and data resources. A "400 Bad Request" status-line is returned if it used for other methods or resource types. 4. Minor nit. It might be helpful if the options were listed in the same order as they are listed in the table in section 4.8. E.g. this would mean that the section on "filter" would need to move up above the section on "insert". 5. Section 4.8.2: The "depth" Query Parameter The last but one paragraph reads: "By default, the server will include all sub-resources within a retrieved resource,*which have the same resource type as the requested resource. Only one level of sub-resources with a different media type than the target resource will be returned.*" I'm not convinced that this paragraph is correct, e.g. for a GET request on /restconf/data. By default I would expect it to return all levels of child nodes (which have a different resource type) rather than just the first layer of children. If the depth parameter is changed to not apply to the API resource, then could this paragraph just be changed to: New: "By default, the server will include all sub-resources within a retrieved resource." 6. Section 8: "error-info". Should the type be anydata rather than the deprecated anyxml? Old: *anyxml *error-info { description "This*anyxml *value MUST represent a container with zero or more data nodes representing additional error information."; } New: anydata error-info { description "This anydata value MUST represent a container with zero or more data nodes representing additional error information."; } These remaining questions are those that I raised previously (eliding those which have been addressed in -10): 7. Section 3.4.1 Edit Collision Detection: In -10, this has been updated to make it clear that it only applies to configuration resources which is now internally consistent. However, it feels like the timestamp is potentially be a bit inaccurate for a REST like interface. It is probably too late to raise this now, but I was wondering whether the server shouldn't also track operational resources using parallel timestamps/etags? Whether the config or operational timestamp/etag is returned would depend on which node had been queried and the "content" GET query parameter: - If the content query was for "config" only then the config resources timestamp/etag would be returned. - if the content query was for "nonconfig" then the operational resources timestamp/etag would be returned. - If the content query was for "all" then the latest of the config/operational resource timestamp would be returned and a combined config/operational etag could be returned. In addition, the config and operational timestamps and etags could be returned using separate HTTP headers. 8. Section 3.5 Data Resource, last paragraph: The resource definition version for a data resource is identified by the revision date of the YANG module containing the YANG definition for the data resource. I don't understand the purpose of this last paragraph means, or what its relevance is. I suggest that either "resource definition version" is defined in 1.1.4 Terms, or this paragraph is deleted. 9. Section 4.1. OPTIONS: The OPTIONS method is sent by the client to discover which methods are supported by the server for a specific resource (e.g., GET, POST, DELETE, etc.). The server SHOULD implement this method, however the same information could be extracted from the YANG modules and the RESTCONF protocol specification. I suggest adding the sentence: The server SHOULD NOT include any body text for the OPTIONS method. 10. Section 7.1 Error Response message: When an error occurs for a request message on a*data* resource or an *operation *resource, and a "4xx" class of status codes will be returned (except for status code "403 Forbidden"), then the server SHOULD send a response message-body containing the information described by the "errors" container definition within the YANG module Section 8 . The Content-Type of this response message*MUST be application/yang.errors* (see example below). The client*MAY *specify the desired encoding for error messages by specifying the appropriate media-type in the Accept header.*If no error media is specified, then the media type of the request message SHOULD be used, or the server MAY choose any supported message encoding format.* If there is no request message the server MUST select "application/yang.errors+xml" or "application/ yang.errors+json", depending on server preference. All of the examples in this document, except for the one below, assume that XML encoding will be returned if there is an error. i) The beginning of the error paragraph makes the description conditional on the request message being on a data resource. Should this cover other resource types as well, or otherwise what is the error handling strategy for other resource types? ii) Should the last sentence of the first paragraph be "The Content-Type of this response message MUST be a subtype of application/yang.errors (see example below). "? iii) Would it be wise to indicate that the client SHOULD specify desired encoding for error messages? iv) The second paragraph states "If no error media is specified, then the media type of the request message is used. " but this directly conflicts with "The Content- Type of this response message MUST be application/yang.errors (see example below). " v) "If there is no request message the server ..." - I would think that there must always be a request message. In summary, what about this text instead: When an error occurs for a request message on an*api, data,****datastore, or operation* resource, and a "4xx" class of status codes will be returned (except for status code "403 Forbidden"), then the server SHOULD send a response message-body containing the information described by the "errors" container definition within the YANG module Section 8 . The Content-Type of this response message*MUST**be a subtype of**application/yang.errors* (see example below). The client*SHOULD *specify the desired encoding for error messages by specifying the appropriate media-type in the Accept header.*If no error media is specified, then the server SHOULD choose the error media****type with the clients preferred encoding, or otherwise the server MAY****choose any supported message encoding format. *If there is no request message the server MUST select "application/yang.errors+xml" or "application/ yang.errors+json", depending on server preference. All of the examples in this document, except for the one below, assume that XML encoding will be returned if there is an error. Thanks, Rob On 20/03/2016 19:02, Andy Bierman wrote: > Hi, > > Please review the latest version of the RESTCONF protocol: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-restconf/ > > There have been many updates based on the extensive list > of review comments: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-10#appendix-A.1 > > This draft addresses all open issues found on github: > https://github.com/netconf-wg/restconf/issues > > Not all requested edits were made. Please review the > github issue tracker for details about the editing process. > > > thanks, > Andy > > > > _______________________________________________ > Netconf mailing list > Netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf --------------040305030206030709000200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Andy, Kent, Martin,

I think that you have addresses some of my recent comments on 09, but not all of them.

I've reproduced what I think are my outstanding review comments here which I think also apply to -10;


The first 6 questions related to section 4.8: Query Parameters:
1. Are query parameters and paths case sensitive?  I would guess so.  The draft doesn't make any explicit mention of this, does it need to?


2. Should an unexpected query parameter cause an error or should it just be ignored?  For some (but not all) of the query parameters in sections 4.8.1 through 4.8.9 it indicates that an explicit error should be returned if the query parameter is used for an resource type on which it isn't supported, but section 4.8 allows vendor specific query parameters to also be defined.  I think that interop might be easier if unknown query parameters are just ignored.


3. Both the depth and fields query parameters (4.8.2 & 4.8.3) indicate that they apply to the API resource (3.3), but I wasn't sure that they served any purpose since my reading of the draft is that the api resource is just the top level and effectively fixed.  I.e. it doesn't return any data from the datastore or the operations, and they need to be explicitly queried separately if required.  Proposed fix:

4.8.2 & 4.8.3 Old:
   This parameter is only allowed for GET methods on API, datastore, and
   data resources.  A "400 Bad Request" status-line is returned if it
   used for other methods or resource types.

4.8.2 & 4.8.3 New:
   This parameter is only allowed for GET methods on datastore, and
   data resources.  A "400 Bad Request" status-line is returned if it
   used for other methods or resource types.



4. Minor nit.  It might be helpful if the options were listed in the same order as they are listed in the table in section 4.8.  E.g. this would mean that the section on "filter" would need to move up above the section on "insert".


5. Section 4.8.2: The "depth" Query Parameter
The last but one paragraph reads:
   "By default, the server will include all sub-resources within a
   retrieved resource, which have the same resource type as the
   requested resource.  Only one level of sub-resources with a different
   media type than the target resource will be returned."

I'm not convinced that this paragraph is correct, e.g. for a GET request on /restconf/data.  By default I would expect it to return all levels of child nodes (which have a different resource type) rather than just the first layer of children.

If the depth parameter is changed to not apply to the API resource, then could this paragraph just be changed to:

New:
   "By default, the server will include all sub-resources within a
   retrieved resource."



6. Section 8: "error-info". Should the type be anydata rather than the deprecated anyxml?

Old:
           anyxml error-info {
              description
                "This anyxml value MUST represent a container with
                zero or more data nodes representing additional
                error information.";
           }
New:
           anydata error-info {
              description
                "This anydata value MUST represent a container with
                zero or more data nodes representing additional
                error information.";
           }




These remaining questions are those that I raised previously (eliding those which have been addressed in -10):


7. Section 3.4.1 Edit Collision Detection:
In -10, this has been updated to make it clear that it only applies to configuration resources which is now internally consistent.

However, it feels like the timestamp is potentially be a bit inaccurate for a REST like interface.

It is probably too late to raise this now, but I was wondering whether the server shouldn't also track operational resources using parallel timestamps/etags?  Whether the config or operational timestamp/etag is returned would depend on which node had been queried and the "content" GET query parameter:
 - If the content query was for "config" only then the config resources timestamp/etag would be returned.
 - if the content query was for "nonconfig" then the operational resources timestamp/etag would be returned.
 - If the content query was for "all" then the latest of the config/operational resource timestamp would be returned and a combined config/operational etag could be returned.  In addition, the config and operational timestamps and etags could be returned using separate HTTP headers.



8. Section 3.5 Data Resource, last paragraph:
   The resource definition version for a data resource is identified by
   the revision date of the YANG module containing the YANG definition
   for the data resource.

I don't understand the purpose of this last paragraph means, or what its relevance is.  I suggest that either "resource definition version" is defined in 1.1.4 Terms, or this paragraph is deleted.

    

    

    9. Section 4.1. OPTIONS:

    
   The OPTIONS method is sent by the client to discover which methods
   are supported by the server for a specific resource (e.g., GET, POST,
   DELETE, etc.).

   The server SHOULD implement this method, however the same information
   could be extracted from the YANG modules and the RESTCONF protocol
   specification.

    

    I suggest adding the sentence:

    
   The server SHOULD NOT include any body text for the OPTIONS method.


    

    

    10. Section 7.1 Error Response message:

    
   When an error occurs for a request message on a data resource or an
   operation resource, and a "4xx" class of status codes will be
   returned (except for status code "403 Forbidden"), then the server
   SHOULD send a response message-body containing the information
   described by the "errors" container definition within the YANG module
   Section 8.  The Content-Type of this response message MUST be
   application/yang.errors (see example below).

   The client MAY specify the desired encoding for error messages by
   specifying the appropriate media-type in the Accept header.  If no
   error media is specified, then the media type of the request message
   SHOULD be used, or the server MAY choose any supported message
   encoding format.  If there is no request message the server MUST
   select "application/yang.errors+xml" or "application/
   yang.errors+json", depending on server preference.  All of the
   examples in this document, except for the one below, assume that XML
   encoding will be returned if there is an error.

    

    i) The beginning of the error paragraph makes the description
    conditional on the request message being on a data resource.  Should
    this cover other resource types as well, or otherwise what is the
    error handling strategy for other resource types?

    ii) Should the last sentence of the first paragraph be "The
    Content-Type of this response message MUST be a subtype of
    application/yang.errors (see example below). "?

    iii) Would it be wise to indicate that the client SHOULD specify
    desired encoding for error messages?

    iv) The second paragraph states "If no error media is specified,
    then the media type of the request message is used. " but this
    directly conflicts with "The Content- Type of this response message
    MUST be application/yang.errors (see example below). "

    v) "If there is no request message the server ..." - I would think
    that there must always be a request message.

    

    In summary, what about this text instead:

    
   When an error occurs for a request message on an api, data,
   datastore, or operation resource, and a "4xx" class of status codes will be
   returned (except for status code "403 Forbidden"), then the server
   SHOULD send a response message-body containing the information
   described by the "errors" container definition within the YANG module
   Section 8.  The Content-Type of this response message MUST be a subtype of
   application/yang.errors (see example below).

   The client SHOULD specify the desired encoding for error messages by
   specifying the appropriate media-type in the Accept header.  If no
   error media is specified, then the server SHOULD choose the error media
   type with the clients preferred encoding, or otherwise the server MAY
   choose any supported message encoding format. If there is no request message
   the server MUST select "application/yang.errors+xml" or "application/
   yang.errors+json", depending on server preference.  All of the
   examples in this document, except for the one below, assume that XML
   encoding will be returned if there is an error.

    

    Thanks,

    Rob

    

    

    
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Hi,
        


        

        
Please review the latest version of the RESTCONF protocol:

        
        


        

        
There have been many updates based on the extensive list

        
of review comments:

        


        

        
        


        

        
This draft addresses all open issues found on github:

        
        


        

        
Not all requested edits were made. Please review the

        
github issue tracker for details about the editing process.

        


        

        


        

        
thanks,

        
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Hi,

Sorry I forgot these updates.
I will publish a draft-12 to make these clarifications.


Andy


On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 2:35 AM, Robert Wilton  wrote:

> Hi Andy,
>
> Did you have a chance to consider my comments or incorporate my feedback
> on RESTCONF 9/10 (attached)?
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
>
>
> On 11/04/2016 03:36, Andy Bierman wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> This draft-11 addresses comments on draft-10 from Lada and Tom Petch.
> (issues 56 - 58 on https://github.com/netconf-wg/restconf/issues)
>
> The RESTCONF, YANG Patch, and YANG Library drafts are now complete
> and  ready for IESG and final IETF review.
>
>
> Andy
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 7:33 PM,  wrote:
>
>>
>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>> directories.
>> This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration of the IETF.
>>
>>         Title           : RESTCONF Protocol
>>         Authors         : Andy Bierman
>>                           Martin Bjorklund
>>                           Kent Watsen
>>         Filename        : draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-11.txt
>>         Pages           : 116
>>         Date            : 2016-04-10
>>
>> Abstract:
>>    This document describes an HTTP-based protocol that provides a
>>    programmatic interface for accessing data defined in YANG, using the
>>    datastores defined in NETCONF.
>>
>>
>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-restconf/
>>
>> There's also a htmlized version available at:
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-11
>>
>> A diff from the previous version is available at:
>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-11
>>
>>
>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
>> submission
>> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
>>
>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
>>
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>
>
>
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Robert Wilton 
> To: Andy Bierman , Netconf 
> Cc:
> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 18:10:50 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Netconf] RESTCONF-10 draft
> Hi Andy, Kent, Martin,
>
> I think that you have addresses some of my recent comments on 09, but not
> all of them.
>
> I've reproduced what I think are my outstanding review comments here which
> I think also apply to -10;
>
>
> The first 6 questions related to section 4.8: Query Parameters:
> 1. Are query parameters and paths case sensitive?  I would guess so.  The
> draft doesn't make any explicit mention of this, does it need to?
>
>
> 2. Should an unexpected query parameter cause an error or should it just
> be ignored?  For some (but not all) of the query parameters in sections
> 4.8.1 through 4.8.9 it indicates that an explicit error should be returned
> if the query parameter is used for an resource type on which it isn't
> supported, but section 4.8 allows vendor specific query parameters to also
> be defined.  I think that interop might be easier if unknown query
> parameters are just ignored.
>
>
> 3. Both the depth and fields query parameters (4.8.2 & 4.8.3) indicate
> that they apply to the API resource (3.3), but I wasn't sure that they
> served any purpose since my reading of the draft is that the api resource
> is just the top level and effectively fixed.  I.e. it doesn't return any
> data from the datastore or the operations, and they need to be explicitly
> queried separately if required.  Proposed fix:
>
> 4.8.2 & 4.8.3 Old:
>
>    This parameter is only allowed for GET methods on *API,* datastore, and
>    data resources.  A "400 Bad Request" status-line is returned if it
>    used for other methods or resource types.
>
>
> 4.8.2 & 4.8.3 New:
>
>    This parameter is only allowed for GET methods on datastore, and
>    data resources.  A "400 Bad Request" status-line is returned if it
>    used for other methods or resource types.
>
>
>
>
> 4. Minor nit.  It might be helpful if the options were listed in the same
> order as they are listed in the table in section 4.8.  E.g. this would mean
> that the section on "filter" would need to move up above the section on
> "insert".
>
>
> 5. Section 4.8.2: The "depth" Query Parameter
> The last but one paragraph reads:
>
>    "By default, the server will include all sub-resources within a
>    retrieved resource,* which have the same resource type as the
>    requested resource.  Only one level of sub-resources with a different
>    media type than the target resource will be returned.*"
>
>
> I'm not convinced that this paragraph is correct, e.g. for a GET request
> on /restconf/data.  By default I would expect it to return all levels of
> child nodes (which have a different resource type) rather than just the
> first layer of children.
>
> If the depth parameter is changed to not apply to the API resource, then
> could this paragraph just be changed to:
>
> New:
>
>    "By default, the server will include all sub-resources within a
>    retrieved resource."
>
>
>
>
> 6. Section 8: "error-info". Should the type be anydata rather than the
> deprecated anyxml?
>
> Old:
>
>            *anyxml *error-info {
>               description
>                 "This *anyxml *value MUST represent a container with
>                 zero or more data nodes representing additional
>                 error information.";
>            }
>
> New:
>
>            anydata error-info {
>               description
>                 "This anydata value MUST represent a container with
>                 zero or more data nodes representing additional
>                 error information.";
>            }
>
>
>
>
>
> These remaining questions are those that I raised previously (eliding
> those which have been addressed in -10):
>
>
> 7. Section 3.4.1 Edit Collision Detection:
> In -10, this has been updated to make it clear that it only applies to
> configuration resources which is now internally consistent.
>
> However, it feels like the timestamp is potentially be a bit inaccurate
> for a REST like interface.
>
> It is probably too late to raise this now, but I was wondering whether the
> server shouldn't also track operational resources using parallel
> timestamps/etags?  Whether the config or operational timestamp/etag is
> returned would depend on which node had been queried and the "content" GET
> query parameter:
>  - If the content query was for "config" only then the config resources
> timestamp/etag would be returned.
>  - if the content query was for "nonconfig" then the operational resources
> timestamp/etag would be returned.
>  - If the content query was for "all" then the latest of the
> config/operational resource timestamp would be returned and a combined
> config/operational etag could be returned.  In addition, the config and
> operational timestamps and etags could be returned using separate HTTP
> headers.
>
>
>
> 8. Section 3.5 Data Resource, last paragraph:
>
>    The resource definition version for a data resource is identified by
>    the revision date of the YANG module containing the YANG definition
>    for the data resource.
>
>
> I don't understand the purpose of this last paragraph means, or what its
> relevance is.  I suggest that either "resource definition version" is
> defined in 1.1.4 Terms, or this paragraph is deleted.
>
>
>
> 9. Section 4.1. OPTIONS:
>
>    The OPTIONS method is sent by the client to discover which methods
>    are supported by the server for a specific resource (e.g., GET, POST,
>    DELETE, etc.).
>
>    The server SHOULD implement this method, however the same information
>    could be extracted from the YANG modules and the RESTCONF protocol
>    specification.
>
>
> I suggest adding the sentence:
>
>    The server SHOULD NOT include any body text for the OPTIONS method.
>
>
>
> 10. Section 7.1 Error Response message:
>
>    When an error occurs for a request message on a *data* resource or an
>    *operation *resource, and a "4xx" class of status codes will be
>    returned (except for status code "403 Forbidden"), then the server
>    SHOULD send a response message-body containing the information
>    described by the "errors" container definition within the YANG module
>    Section 8 .  The Content-Type of this response message *MUST be
>    application/yang.errors* (see example below).
>
>    The client *MAY *specify the desired encoding for error messages by
>    specifying the appropriate media-type in the Accept header.  *If no
>    error media is specified, then the media type of the request message
>    SHOULD be used, or the server MAY choose any supported message
>    encoding format.*  If there is no request message the server MUST
>    select "application/yang.errors+xml" or "application/
>    yang.errors+json", depending on server preference.  All of the
>    examples in this document, except for the one below, assume that XML
>    encoding will be returned if there is an error.
>
>
> i) The beginning of the error paragraph makes the description conditional
> on the request message being on a data resource.  Should this cover other
> resource types as well, or otherwise what is the error handling strategy
> for other resource types?
> ii) Should the last sentence of the first paragraph be "The Content-Type
> of this response message MUST be a subtype of application/yang.errors (see
> example below). "?
> iii) Would it be wise to indicate that the client SHOULD specify desired
> encoding for error messages?
> iv) The second paragraph states "If no error media is specified, then the
> media type of the request message is used. " but this directly conflicts
> with "The Content- Type of this response message MUST be
> application/yang.errors (see example below). "
> v) "If there is no request message the server ..." - I would think that
> there must always be a request message.
>
> In summary, what about this text instead:
>
>    When an error occurs for a request message on an *api, data,**   datastore, or operation* resource, and a "4xx" class of status codes will be
>    returned (except for status code "403 Forbidden"), then the server
>    SHOULD send a response message-body containing the information
>    described by the "errors" container definition within the YANG module
>    Section 8 .  The Content-Type of this response message *MUST** be a subtype of**
>    application/yang.errors* (see example below).
>
>    The client *SHOULD *specify the desired encoding for error messages by
>    specifying the appropriate media-type in the Accept header.  *If no
>    error media is specified, then the server SHOULD choose the error media**   type with the clients preferred encoding, or otherwise the server MAY**   choose any supported message encoding format. *If there is no request message
>    the server MUST select "application/yang.errors+xml" or "application/
>    yang.errors+json", depending on server preference.  All of the
>    examples in this document, except for the one below, assume that XML
>    encoding will be returned if there is an error.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
>
>
> On 20/03/2016 19:02, Andy Bierman wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Please review the latest version of the RESTCONF protocol:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-restconf/
>
> There have been many updates based on the extensive list
> of review comments:
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-10#appendix-A.1
>
> This draft addresses all open issues found on github:
> https://github.com/netconf-wg/restconf/issues
>
> Not all requested edits were made. Please review the
> github issue tracker for details about the editing process.
>
>
> thanks,
> Andy
>
>
>
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    Hi Andy,

    

    Did you have a chance to consider my comments or incorporate my
    feedback on RESTCONF 9/10 (attached)?

    

    Thanks,

    Rob

    

    

    
On 11/04/2016 03:36, Andy Bierman
      wrote:

    

    

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Hi,
        


        

        
This draft-11 addresses comments on draft-10 from Lada and
          Tom Petch.

        
        


        

        
The RESTCONF, YANG Patch, and YANG Library drafts are now
          complete

        
and =C2=A0ready for IESG and final IETF review.

        


        

        


        

        
Andy

        


        

      

      


        
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          wrote:

          


            A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line
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            This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration of
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            YANG, using the

            =C2=A0 =C2=A0datastores defined in NETCONF.

            

            

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            There's also a htmlized version available at:

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Date:=C2=A0Tue, 22 Mar 2016 18:10:50 +0000
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ubject:=C2=A0Re: [Netconf] RESTCONF-10 draft


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    Hi Andy, Kent, Martin,

    

    I think that you have addresses some of my recent comments on 09,
    but not all of them.

    

    I've reproduced what I think are my outstanding review comments her=
e
    which I think also apply to -10;

    

    

    The first 6 questions related to section 4.8: Query Parameters:

    1. Are query parameters and paths case sensitive?=C2=A0 I would guess
    so.=C2=A0 The draft doesn't make any explicit mention of this, does=
 it
    need to?

    

    

    2. Should an unexpected query parameter cause an error or should it
    just be ignored?=C2=A0 For some (but not all) of the query parameters i=
n
    sections 4.8.1 through 4.8.9 it indicates that an explicit error
    should be returned if the query parameter is used for an resource
    type on which it isn't supported, but section 4.8 allows vendor
    specific query parameters to also be defined.=C2=A0 I think that intero=
p
    might be easier if unknown query parameters are just ignored.

    

    

    3. Both the depth and fields query parameters (4.8.2 & 4.8.3)
    indicate that they apply to the API resource (3.3), but I wasn't
    sure that they served any purpose since my reading of the draft is
    that the api resource is just the top level and effectively fixed.=C2=
=A0
    I.e. it doesn't return any data from the datastore or the
    operations, and they need to be explicitly queried separately if
    required.=C2=A0 Proposed fix:

    

    4.8.2 & 4.8.3 Old:

    
   This parameter is only allowed for GET m=
ethods on API, datastore, and
   data resources.  A "400 Bad Request" status-line is returned i=
f it
   used for other methods or resource types.

    

    4.8.2 & 4.8.3 New:

    
   This parameter is only allowed for GET m=
ethods on datastore, and
   data resources.  A "400 Bad Request" status-line is returned i=
f it
   used for other methods or resource types.

    

    

    

    4. Minor nit.=C2=A0 It might be helpful if the options were listed in t=
he
    same order as they are listed in the table in section 4.8.=C2=A0 E.g.
    this would mean that the section on "filter" would need to mo=
ve up
    above the section on "insert".

    

    

    5. Section 4.8.2: The "depth" Query Parameter

    The last but one paragraph reads:

    
   "By default, the server will includ=
e all sub-resources within a
   retrieved resource, which have the same resource type as the
   requested resource.  Only one level of sub-resources with a different
   media type than the target resource will be returned."

    

    I'm not convinced that this paragraph is correct, e.g. for a GET
    request on /restconf/data.=C2=A0 By default I would expect it to return
    all levels of child nodes (which have a different resource type)
    rather than just the first layer of children.

    

    If the depth parameter is changed to not apply to the API resource,
    then could this paragraph just be changed to:

    

    New:

    
   "By default, the server will includ=
e all sub-resources within a
   retrieved resource."

    

    

    

    6. Section 8: "error-info". Should the type be anydata rather=
 than
    the deprecated anyxml?

    

    Old:

    
           anyxml error-info {
              description
                "This anyxml value MUST represent a container w=
ith
                zero or more data nodes representing additional
                error information.";
           }


    New:

    
           anydata error-info {
              description
                "This anydata value MUST represent a container with
                zero or more data nodes representing additional
                error information.";
           }

    

    

    

    

    These remaining questions are those that I raised previously
    (eliding those which have been addressed in -10):

    

    

    7. Section 3.4.1 Edit Collision Detection:

    In -10, this has been updated to make it clear that it only applies
    to configuration resources which is now internally consistent.

    

    However, it feels like the timestamp is potentially be a bit
    inaccurate for a REST like interface.

    

    It is probably too late to raise this now, but I was wondering
    whether the server shouldn't also track operational resources using
    parallel timestamps/etags?=C2=A0 Whether the config or operational
    timestamp/etag is returned would depend on which node had been
    queried and the "content" GET query parameter:

    =C2=A0- If the content query was for "config" only then the c=
onfig
    resources timestamp/etag would be returned.

    =C2=A0- if the content query was for "nonconfig" then the ope=
rational
    resources timestamp/etag would be returned.

    =C2=A0- If the content query was for "all" then the latest of=
 the
    config/operational resource timestamp would be returned and a
    combined config/operational etag could be returned.=C2=A0 In addition,
    the config and operational timestamps and etags could be returned
    using separate HTTP headers.

    

    

    

    8. Section 3.5 Data Resource, last paragraph:

    
   The resource definition version for a da=
ta resource is identified by
   the revision date of the YANG module containing the YANG definition
   for the data resource.

    

    I don't understand the purpose of this last paragraph means, or wha=
t
    its relevance is.=C2=A0 I suggest that either "resource definition
    version" is defined in 1.1.4 Terms, or this paragraph is deleted.<=
br>
    

    

    

    9. Section 4.1. OPTIONS:

    
   The OPTIONS method is sent by the client=
 to discover which methods
   are supported by the server for a specific resource (e.g., GET, POST,
   DELETE, etc.).

   The server SHOULD implement this method, however the same information
   could be extracted from the YANG modules and the RESTCONF protocol
   specification.

    

    I suggest adding the sentence:

    
   The server SHOULD NOT include any body t=
ext for the OPTIONS method.


    

    

    10. Section 7.1 Error Response message:

    
   When an error occurs for a request messa=
ge on a data resource or an
   operation resource, and a "4xx" class of status codes w=
ill be
   returned (except for status code "403 Forbidden"), then the se=
rver
   SHOULD send a response message-body containing the information
   described by the "errors" container definition within the YANG=
 module
   Section 8.  The Content-Type of this respons=
e message MUST be
   application/yang.errors (see example below).

   The client MAY specify the desired encoding for error messages by
   specifying the appropriate media-type in the Accept header.  If no
   error media is specified, then the media type of the request message
   SHOULD be used, or the server MAY choose any supported message
   encoding format.  If there is no request message the server MUST
   select "application/yang.errors+xml" or "application/
   yang.errors+json", depending on server preference.  All of the
   examples in this document, except for the one below, assume that XML
   encoding will be returned if there is an error.

    

    i) The beginning of the error paragraph makes the description
    conditional on the request message being on a data resource.=C2=A0 Shou=
ld
    this cover other resource types as well, or otherwise what is the
    error handling strategy for other resource types?

    ii) Should the last sentence of the first paragraph be "The
    Content-Type of this response message MUST be a subtype of
    application/yang.errors (see example below). "?

    iii) Would it be wise to indicate that the client SHOULD specify
    desired encoding for error messages?

    iv) The second paragraph states "If no error media is specified,
    then the media type of the request message is used. " but this
    directly conflicts with "The Content- Type of this response messag=
e
    MUST be application/yang.errors (see example below). "

    v) "If there is no request message the server ..." - I would =
think
    that there must always be a request message.

    

    In summary, what about this text instead:

    
   When an error occurs for a request messa=
ge on an api, data,
   datastore, or operation resource, and a "4xx" class=
 of status codes will be
   returned (except for status code "403 Forbidden"), then the se=
rver
   SHOULD send a response message-body containing the information
   described by the "errors" container definition within the YANG=
 module
   Section 8.  The Content-Type of this respons=
e message MUST be a subtype of
   application/yang.errors (see example below).

   The client SHOULD specify the desired encoding for error messages=
 by
   specifying the appropriate media-type in the Accept header.  If no
   error media is specified, then the server SHOULD choose the error media<=
/b>
   type with the clients preferred encoding, or otherwise the server=
 MAY
   choose any supported message encoding format. If there is no =
request message
   the server MUST select "application/yang.errors+xml" or "=
application/
   yang.errors+json", depending on server preference.  All of the
   examples in this document, except for the one below, assume that XML
   encoding will be returned if there is an error.

    

    Thanks,

    Rob

    

    

    
On 20/03/2016 19:02, Andy Bierman
      wrote:

    

    

     =20
      
Hi,
        


        

        
Please review the latest version of the RESTCONF protocol:
        
        


        

        
There have been many updates based on the extensive list

        
of review comments:

        


        

        
        


        

        
This draft addresses all open issues found on github:

        
        


        

        
Not all requested edits were made. Please review the

        
github issue tracker for details about the editing process.
        


        

        


        

        
thanks,

        
Andy

        


        

      

      

      

      

      
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The minutes of the NETCONF WG meeting at IETF 95 are on Etherpad at this =
 location.=20

If there are any corrections, please edit Etherpad directly. Please do =
not edit anything that did not transpire in the room.

Thanks.

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The minutes of the NETCONF WG meeting at IETF 95 are on Etherpad at this location. 

If there are any corrections, please edit Etherpad directly. Please do not edit anything that did not transpire in the room.

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The IESG has received a request from the Network Configuration WG
(netconf) to consider the following document:
- 'YANG Module Library'
   as Proposed Standard

The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits
final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the
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Abstract


   This document describes a YANG library, which provides information
   about all the YANG modules used by a network management server (e.g.,
   a Network Configuration Protocol (NETCONF) server).  Simple caching
   mechanisms are provided to allow clients to minimize retrieval of
   this information.




The file can be obtained via
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-yang-library/

IESG discussion can be tracked via
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-yang-library/ballot/


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From: "Eric Voit (evoit)" 
To: Martin Bjorklund , "Alexander Clemm (alex)" 
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> Martin Bjorklund, April 08, 2016 2:37 AM
>=20
> "Alexander Clemm (alex)"  wrote:
> > Hi Martin,
> >
> > I am not sure what you are proposing - are you proposing one more
> > draft - splitting YANG-Push?
> >
> > I think we are all in agreement on the "guiding principles" -
> > separation of subscription model from the transports, and separation
> > of the definition of update triggers and what to include in update
> > records from subscriptions to an event stream.
> >
> > From there, I would see one logical way to structure it as follows:
> >
> > (a) Subscription model for event notifications - create-subscription
> > to an event stream etc.  The subscription model can be defined as a
> > YANG model
> > (b) Netconf transport for event notifications.
> >
> > (a) and (b) are subject to RFC 5277bis, but separable into an RFC
> > 5277bis (a) and (b), if you will, for a clear transport and
> > subscription model separation.
>=20
> I was thinking that esp. static subscriptions would benfit from having on=
e single
> transport-independent model to control them.  Of course, there would have=
 to
> be transport-specific stuff there as well, possibly as augmentations.
>=20
> Dynamic subscriptions are a bit different; in NETCONF you send an rpc, in
> RESTCONF you GET a stream resource.  However, it might be useful to defin=
e
> the create-subscription / establish-subscription rpcs in such a way that =
they
> _can_ be used by other transports.

Agree.  This should be made easier via the separation of the YANG Push and =
Notification drafts from the transport drafts.

 > > On top, we have
> > (c) YANG-Push - in essence providing a way to define triggers (and a
> > few other things) for a stream of updates that users can subscribe to.
> > This is in essence again a YANG Model.  The way the updates are
> > streamed/communicated is defined separately, as different transports
> > can be configured.
>=20
> For static subscriptions, this results in a nice, layered model.  The YAN=
G push
> would augment the generic static susbcription data model, and everything
> would "just work" for all transports.
>=20
> This is nice, b/c if we in the future come up with yet another generic fe=
ature to
> configure the generation of certain notifications, we can just do one mor=
e
> augmentation.
>=20
> But for dynamic subscriptions, it is more difficult, due to the fact that=
 we have
> transport-specific ways to start them.  For NETCONF, we would augemnt
> create-subscription / establish-subscription, but for RESTCONF, we'd have=
 to
> define query paramters in plain text.  This is not a great model...

This variation is one of the reasons we believe transport specific drafts a=
re the way to go.  =20

As RESTCONF is over TLS, the query parameters here at least will be secure.=
   Beyond that, it would seem to me that parameter passing is a general RES=
TCONF consideration rather than something specific to Push subscription est=
ablishment.  Am I missing something?

Eric

> /martin
>=20
>=20
> > Finally, (d) defines another tranport (e.g. HTTP2) in addition to
> > Netconf transport (b).
> >
> > On your other comment, you are correct that YANG-Push and RFC 5277bis
> > currently have overlap.  Basically, portions of YANG-Push are being
> > pulled into RFC 5277bis.  We haven't updated YANG-Push since we
> > published RFC5277bis.  The next revision will address that.
> >
> > --- Alex
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Martin
> > Bjorklund
> > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 12:16 PM
> > To: netconf@ietf.org
> > Subject: [Netconf] yang push drafts
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am a bit confused about the discussion on four drafts for yang push.
> >
> > In my view, RFC 6241 + 5277 (or 5277bis) defines how the NETCONF
> > transport works.  There is nothing in the *-push-* suite of drafts
> > that changes this, right?
> >
> > Also, draft-ietf-netconf-restconf defines how to transport any YANG
> > object (data, rpc, notification) over RESTCONF.  Again, nothing in
> > *-push-* changes this, right?
> >
> > For HTTP and HTTP2 we need something new, if they are in scope.
> >
> > The new things that YANG push brings is (1) a new YANG module to
> > control both dynamic and static subscriptions, in a
> > transport-independent way, and (2) a way to define trigger expressions
> > on datastores (and related parameters) for the subscriptions in (1).
> >
> > Would it make sense to instead split the YANG push document into the
> > two pieces identified above?
> >
> > Also, currently there seems to be overlap between YANG push and
> > 5277bis; both define ways to control dynamic and static subscriptions.
> > However, 5277bis is NETCONF-specifc but content-generic, whereas YANG
> > push is transport-generic but content-specific (can only be used for
> > the data store push mechanism).
> >
> >
> >
> > /martin
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Netconf@ietf.org
> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf
> >
>=20
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Are you going to produce them in English at some point?

Tom Petch


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The minutes of the NETCONF WG meeting at IETF 95 are on Etherpad at this
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Hi Tom,

How old is your browser? ;-)

That link (http://bit.ly/1S2Kr35) works fine for me in Chrome, Firefox, 
or IE 11.

In case it helps, I've attached a txt copy of the Etherpad output.

Thanks,
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IETF 95, Buenos Aires, April 4-8, 2016
THURSDAY, April 7, 2016 1400-1600 
Buen Ayre - Thursday Afternoon Session I
Room: Buen Ayre B

WG Chairs:   

Mehmet Ersue    
Mahesh Jethanandani   

Note takers:
    - Ladislav Lhotka [LL]
    - Jason Sterne [JTS]

Jabber scribe:
    - Mikael Abrahamsson [MA]
    
Speakers:
    - Andy Bierman [AB]
    - Mehmet Ersue [ME]
    - Mahesh Jethanandani [MJ]
    - Kent Watsen [KW]
    - Rick Taylor [RT]
    - Jeff Haas [JH]
    - William Lupton [WL]
    - Martin Bjorklund on Jabber [MB]
    - mcharlesr on Jabber [MCR]
    - Guangying Zheng [GZ]
    - Tim Carey [TC]
    
Joining via Jabber:  23 people
Joining via Meetecho: 12 people

Agenda bashing (2 minutes)   
WG status review (5 minutes)

Chartered items:
      1. Report from documents after WGLC: Restconf, Yang-patch, Yang-library - A. Bierman (10 min.)

      AB: 3 drafts are nearly ready.  
          RESTCONF needs some updates based on comments from Tom Petch
      ME: Are you going to address all comments? Any controversy?
      AB: All the open issues are minor, it shouldn't be a problem.

      2. Subscribing to YANG datastore push updates - Eric Voit (15 min)
         https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push-02

      KW: I recommend splitting control and transport.
      MJ: Does anyone oppose the concept of splitting transport from the data model / RPCs ?
          -> In the room:  Nobody was opposed.  Many were in agreement.
      KW: Subscription allows for periodical subscription, how about other filters (e.g. when a value is exceeded, or when a value changes by more than a standard deviation, etc)
      EV: TBD on how much to put in the base model (many types of filters are possible)
      RT: Request to look at what is being worked on in DTN (async. mgmnt concepts)
      
      3. NETCONF Server Configuration Model - K. Watsen (15 min.)         
         http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-server-model

      JH: Security people will likely want some additional security functions as "if-feature" options in the base draft
      WL: ?? Clarification question about the use of groupings
      MB (jabber): propose to keep the SSH config knobs to the minimum
      ME: for issue #5 in the slides -> I'd suggest Proposal #2.
      KW: Proposal #2 means we need to specify the client part immediately.
      MJ: is there a need for a common keychain model across WGs ?
      KW: routing keychain is fundamentally different than the one needed in this draft
      MJ: It currently relies on NETCONF security (SSH/TLS) to push keys.
      KW: some concerns that strength of key being exchanged is higher than strength of security on the channel/protocol being used to exchange the keys (known issue)
      ME: What are we defining for NETCONF WG? Is it something of interest to general security of just something for NETCONF/RESTCONF?
      ME: any objection to moving forward on a NETCONF keychain independantly of the routing keychain model ?
      RT: I undestand appeal of #1, but I don't understand how you can avoid dealing with clients. I propose to use #1.
      KW: would boxes be making outbound connections like SSH, NETCONF, etc ?  If so - proposal #2 is useful.
      JH: NETCONF/RESTCONF requirements overlap general reqs.
      MB (jabber): I support #2.
      KW: there seems to be a lot of support for #2.  Will take it to the list.
      MB (jabber): peer mount would use (? client side config ?)

      4. Zero Touch Provisioning for NETCONF Call Home (ZeroTouch) - K. Watsen (15 min.)         
         http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-zerotouch

      RT: I would go for option #3 (slide 10) - use edit-config or yang-patch. The configuration can be big.
      KW: maybe an another option is to use a top level enum instead of a flag to allow a 3rd choice (patch vs just replace or merge)
      KW: any thoughts on signature over the YANG data ? (slide 11) 
 JH: PKCS#9 is popular in the IETF. Canonicalization is going to be arequirement.
 KW: Namespace issues, both XML/JSON has no guaranteed order.
      JH: storage formats have changed immensely over the years.  Fixing them in the model will likely just make the model obselete quickly . Maybe a registry ?
      KW: What would be the motivation? 
      MCR: Not that we define them, we should just refer to them.
      RT: what are we trying to achieve here ?  Just basic booting ?  or more ?
      KW: just trying to boot & be ready to be managed.  But the difference from previous approaches is that this is a *secure* approach.  In theory the config could be anything (huge full config) but it needs to be at least enough that the device can make a management connection for further management.
      ME: please propose a way to move forward on this draft
      KW: My hope is to have LC in one month and finish this work in 2016.
      
      5. NETCONF Event Notifications - Eric Voit (15 min.)
         https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gonzalez-netconf-5277bis-01  

      AB: It would be good to consider the ability to do next gen filters (current ones have limitations)
 EV: There has to be a base set and optional extensions.
      AB: Another dimension of complexity is the concept of a template for filters 
      EV: We have case of XPath and 6241 filter. Filters are important.
      RT: some of the work within DTN may be reusable here (but may be a bit more than is required)
      EV: Filters is scary, we took existing ones.  This may be a space for vendor differentiation (at least at first) and then move more advanced filters into the standard at a later point
      ME: Can you report on discussion with former authors?
      EV: static subscriptions can be more complex (configure the receivers, origination comes from the source).  May need to think about call-home.
      ME: Is the recommendation to keep compatibility?
      ME: It is important to have Hector and Sharon as part of the review to ensure backwards compatilibity
      MJ: Is it a new work or 5277bis?
      EV: I think we added items that are within the charter.  When does a bis become a new standard ?
      ME: If we keep existing functionality, it should be 5277bis. It is a chartered topic in any case.
      ME: Let's continue the discussion with orig authors, after a few weeks we can ask for adoption.
      EV: are notifications of interest in general ?
         -> show of hands of who read the draft ?  A few hands
         -> how many people have interest ?  many hands raised in the room
      GZ: we have some implementation of notifications and would want to sync up on the draft

Non-Chartered items:      

      1. I2RS strawman proposal - S. Hares (15 min)
         https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hares-i2rs-protocol-strawman-00  
        JTS: What is teh issue with CPU resources and memory:
        DB: I may want ro set a memory limit. Eg. a network topology poll, you may need to specify mem limit.
        JH: You may want to specify rate of notifications.
        JS: Specifying BW and memory in absolute terms is tricky.
        JH: It is just that some resource considerations are taken into account.
        JH: Discussions about mandatory transports.  There will be mandatory-to-implement transports, but also hooks in the initial base model to allow other future/optional transports & encoding.
        
      2. Restconf subscription and HTTP push for YANG datastores - Eric Voit (15 min)
         https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-voit-restconf-yang-push-00

ME: Comments about the name - it's not YANG Push
KW: NETCONF Push for NC, RESTCONF Push for RC.  Proposed names for the 3 models:  netconf-push-transport, restconf-push-transport, and yang-push-model  (murmurs of assent in the room)
KW: It's not a WG document.
AB: Separate subscriber and receiver is interesting. There are 3 parts: 1 - data, 2 - interaction model, 3 - plumbing. I want to be able to conform to 1 part of it but use my own things for the others.
   RT: keep the specs modular.  We need to use as much "standard" parts as we can, but be able to use other transports/encodings.

      3. How many drafts for YANG push? - All (10 min)  Open       
ME: There is interest, chrter doesn't make any difference between NC/RC Push, we have to discuus what to do. Is it correct RC-YANG-Push is mainly transport?
MJ: there are 4 drafts (5277bis)
ME: what does the group think ?
TC: we've seen this in other standards bodies - the need to separate the operations layer from the transport/encoding layer of the protocols.
ME: Misleading picture - why I need NC if I want to use RC?
ME: show of hands -> do we want 4 drafts ?  (yang push, NC transport, RC transport, 5277bis).  Lot's of hands for "yes". None for "no". 
ME: Adoption should happen within a few weeks.
ME: We need co-authors from other companies.
EV: Agrees.
ME: We may ask by name to co-author, e.g. Juniper people.
AOB

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I like it!

That said, one substantive comment and some editorial quirks

s.11.4
The new registry needs a policy; suggest 'IETF Review'

s.6.3.1
"The YANG encoding MUST be converted to
   URL-encoded string for use in the request URI. "

The I-D uses a mix of URL and URI and I am unclear if there is intended
to be a difference - I would use URI throughout.

More basically, I struggle to see YANG as an encoding, rather a (data)
definition - most of the rest of the I-D has 'YANG defining' or 'YANG
definition' so I suggest

NEW "The YANG definition MUST be converted to a
   URI-encoded string for use in the request URI "

and with a reference back to 3.5.1 where all the details are specified.
I note that 3.5.1 has 'URL encoded' not 'URL-encoded'; I prefer the
hyphenated form and URI not URL.

In 3.6.1, in the same vein, I would also

OLD
In YANG, data nodes are named with an absolute XPath expression,

NEW
In YANG, data nodes are identified with an absolute XPath expression,

'named' does not seem right. 'identified' or 'defined'.

s.4.8.8
'   If the "replay-support" leaf is present in the "stream" entry
   (defined in Section 9.3) then the server MUST support the
   "start-time" and "stop-time" query parameters for that stream.'

this leaf is defined as a boolean so I think it better as

NEW
   If the "replay-support" leaf has the value 'true'  in the "stream"
entry

unless false booleans are elided, which is not what I understood to
happen.

s.7.1
"   body and hence Accept headers are typically not passed."

Is that meant to be 'parsed'?

Tom Petch


----- Original Message -----
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> This draft-11 addresses comments on draft-10 from Lada and Tom Petch.
> (issues 56 - 58 on https://github.com/netconf-wg/restconf/issues)
>
> The RESTCONF, YANG Patch, and YANG Library drafts are now complete
> and  ready for IESG and final IETF review.
>
>
> Andy
>
> > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-restconf/
> >
> > There's also a htmlized version available at:
> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-11
> >
> > A diff from the previous version is available at:
> > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-11
> >
>


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration of the IETF.

        Title           : RESTCONF Protocol
        Authors         : Andy Bierman
                          Martin Bjorklund
                          Kent Watsen
	Filename        : draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-12.txt
	Pages           : 115
	Date            : 2016-04-12

Abstract:
   This document describes an HTTP-based protocol that provides a
   programmatic interface for accessing data defined in YANG, using the
   datastores defined in NETCONF.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
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Hi,

This revision addresses issues #59 and #60 on the issue tracker:
https://github.com/netconf-wg/restconf/issues

Here is the change log:

- clarify query parameter requirements
- move filter query section to match table order in sec. 4.8
- clarify that depth default is entire subtree for datastore resource
- change ietf-restconf to YANG 1.1 to use anydata instead of anyxml
- made implementation of timestamps optional since ETags are mandatory
- removed confusing text about data resource definition revision date
- clarify that errors should be returned for any resource type
- clarified media subtype (not type) for error response
- clarified client SHOULD (not MAY) specify errors format in Accept header
- clarified terminology in many sections


Andy

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 8:22 PM,  wrote:

>
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
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> This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration of the IETF.
>
>         Title           : RESTCONF Protocol
>         Authors         : Andy Bierman
>                           Martin Bjorklund
>                           Kent Watsen
>         Filename        : draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-12.txt
>         Pages           : 115
>         Date            : 2016-04-12
>
> Abstract:
>    This document describes an HTTP-based protocol that provides a
>    programmatic interface for accessing data defined in YANG, using the
>    datastores defined in NETCONF.
>
>
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Hi,

This revision addresses issues #59 =
and #60 on the issue tracker:

Here is the change log:

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- clarify that depth def=
ault is entire subtree for datastore resource
- change ietf-restc=
onf to YANG 1.1 to use anydata instead of anyxml
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- removed =
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- cla=
rify that errors should be returned for any resource type
- clari=
fied media subtype (not type) for error response
- clarified clie=
nt SHOULD (not MAY) specify errors format in Accept header
- clar=
ified terminology in many sections


Andy

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Hi Andy,

Is there any great value in using a different encoding to XML when using =
NETCONF as the transport protocol?

that feels a bit like creating options for the sake of options - unless =
I=E2=80=99m missing something.

Re JSON of course we have RESTCONF transport (since web developers =
generally prefer JSON to XML there=E2=80=99s value in having JSON as an =
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Re CBOR the draft talks about constrained nodes/networks - where I=E2=80=99=
m guessing NETCONF won=E2=80=99t be the transport (at any rate the draft =
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Giles

> On 10 Apr 2016, at 06:04, Andy Bierman  wrote:
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> Hi,
>=20
> There are many deficiencies in NETCONF 1.1 that should be addressed.
> One in particular that keeps coming up at every IETF is the hard-wired
> XML encoding or all NETCONF messages.
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> There is currently a YANG to JSON draft almost standardized
> and a YANG to CBOR draft just started.  IMO it is time to
> support a more advanced capabilities exchange so the client
> can pick a different message encoding, and new encoding formats
> can be added without republishing the protocol.
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Hi Andy,

Is=
 there any great value in using a different encoding to XML when using =
NETCONF as the transport protocol?

that feels a bit like creating options =
for the sake of options - unless I=E2=80=99m missing =
something.

Re =
JSON of course we have RESTCONF transport (since web developers =
generally prefer JSON to XML there=E2=80=99s value in having JSON as an =
alternative encoding to XML).

Re CBOR the draft talks about =
constrained nodes/networks - where I=E2=80=99m guessing NETCONF won=E2=80=99=
t be the transport (at any rate the draft doesn=E2=80=99t include the =
word NETCONF).   I guess I2RS, YANG push etc. could potentially =
leverage CBOR too?  But either way I=E2=80=99m not sure NETCONF =
itself needs it - for configuration operations the =E2=80=9Ccommit=E2=80=9D=
 is probably the bottleneck so more efficient message encoding may be a =
non-issue.

Giles

On 10 Apr 2016, at 06:04, Andy =
Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com> wrote:

Hi,

There =
are many deficiencies in NETCONF 1.1 that should be addressed.
One in particular that keeps coming up at every IETF is the =
hard-wired
XML encoding or all NETCONF =
messages.

There =
is currently a YANG to JSON draft almost standardized
and a YANG to CBOR draft just started.  IMO it is time =
to
support a more advanced capabilities exchange so =
the client
can pick a different message encoding, =
and new encoding formats
can be added without =
republishing the protocol.

I already proposed a way to do this in NETCONF:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bierman-netconf-efficiency-ex=
tensions-01#section-1.3.2

A mechanism like this can be =
interoperable without the NETCONF WG
controlling =
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> Hi Andy,
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>
>
The only value is to get the same info exchanged between peers, but to use
50 - 90%
less bytes on the wire.


that feels a bit like creating options for the sake of options - unless I=
=E2=80=99m
> missing something.
>
> Re JSON of course we have RESTCONF transport (since web developers
> generally prefer JSON to XML there=E2=80=99s value in having JSON as an a=
lternative
> encoding to XML).
>
> Re CBOR the draft talks about constrained nodes/networks - where I=E2=80=
=99m
> guessing NETCONF won=E2=80=99t be the transport (at any rate the draft do=
esn=E2=80=99t
> include the word NETCONF).   I guess I2RS, YANG push etc. could potential=
ly
> leverage CBOR too?  But either way I=E2=80=99m not sure NETCONF itself ne=
eds it -
> for configuration operations the =E2=80=9Ccommit=E2=80=9D is probably the=
 bottleneck so
> more efficient message encoding may be a non-issue.
>
>
OK, seems like commit is an implementation issue, not a protocol issue.
CORE WG will work on an efficient protocol using YANG.


Giles
>
>

Andy


> On 10 Apr 2016, at 06:04, Andy Bierman  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> There are many deficiencies in NETCONF 1.1 that should be addressed.
> One in particular that keeps coming up at every IETF is the hard-wired
> XML encoding or all NETCONF messages.
>
> There is currently a YANG to JSON draft almost standardized
> and a YANG to CBOR draft just started.  IMO it is time to
> support a more advanced capabilities exchange so the client
> can pick a different message encoding, and new encoding formats
> can be added without republishing the protocol.
>
> I already proposed a way to do this in NETCONF:
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bierman-netconf-efficiency-extensions-0=
1#section-1.3.2
>
> A mechanism like this can be interoperable without the NETCONF WG
> controlling every possible encoding that may be used with NETCONF.
>
>
> Andy
>
>
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On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 8:25 AM, Giles Heron <giles.heron@gmail.co=
m> wrote:
Hi Andy,

Is there any great value in =
using a different encoding to XML when using NETCONF as the transport proto=
col?


The only va=
lue is to get the same info exchanged between peers, but to use 50 - 90%
less bytes on the wire.


=

that feels a bit like creating options for the sake of options - unles=
s I=E2=80=99m missing something.

Re JSON of course=
 we have RESTCONF transport (since web developers generally prefer JSON to =
XML there=E2=80=99s value in having JSON as an alternative encoding to XML)=
.

Re CBOR the draft talks about constrained nodes/=
networks - where I=E2=80=99m guessing NETCONF won=E2=80=99t be the transpor=
t (at any rate the draft doesn=E2=80=99t include the word NETCONF). =C2=A0 =
I guess I2RS, YANG push etc. could potentially leverage CBOR too?=C2=A0 But=
 either way I=E2=80=99m not sure NETCONF itself needs it - for configuratio=
n operations the =E2=80=9Ccommit=E2=80=9D is probably the bottleneck so mor=
e efficient message encoding may be a non-issue.

=


OK, seems like commit is an implemen=
tation issue, not a protocol issue.
CORE WG will work on an effic=
ient protocol using YANG.


G=
iles



<=
/div>
Andy
=C2=A0
=
On 10 Apr 2016, at 06:04, Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com> wrote:

Hi,

There are many deficiencies in NETCONF=
 1.1 that should be addressed.
One in particular that keeps comin=
g up at every IETF is the hard-wired
XML encoding or all NETCONF =
messages.

There is currently a YANG to JSON draft =
almost standardized
and a YANG to CBOR draft just started.=C2=A0 =
IMO it is time to
support a more advanced capabilities exchange s=
o the client
can pick a different message encoding, and new encod=
ing formats
can be added without republishing the protocol.
=


I already proposed a way to do this in NETCONF:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/=
draft-bierman-netconf-efficiency-extensions-01#section-1.3.2
<=
div>
A mechanism like this can be interoperable without the N=
ETCONF WG
controlling every possible encoding that may be used wi=
th NETCONF.


Andy



_______________________________________________
Netconf mailing list
=
Netconf@ietf.org<=
br>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf




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> On 13 Apr 2016, at 16:44, Ashesh Mishra  =
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> +1 for Andy's comment.=20
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> For certain applications (telemetry is one such example) xml encoding =
is too large.=20

agreed.  But I=E2=80=99m not sure NETCONF is the optimal transport for =
telemetry.

> I support at least investigating what v2 should address and what it =
will look like.=20
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> Ashesh
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> Excuse brevity. Sent from mobile.=20
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> On Apr 13, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Andy Bierman > wrote:
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>>=20
>>=20
>> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 8:25 AM, Giles Heron > wrote:
>> Hi Andy,
>>=20
>> Is there any great value in using a different encoding to XML when =
using NETCONF as the transport protocol?
>>=20
>>=20
>> The only value is to get the same info exchanged between peers, but =
to use 50 - 90%
>> less bytes on the wire.
>>=20
>>=20
>> that feels a bit like creating options for the sake of options - =
unless I=E2=80=99m missing something.
>>=20
>> Re JSON of course we have RESTCONF transport (since web developers =
generally prefer JSON to XML there=E2=80=99s value in having JSON as an =
alternative encoding to XML).
>>=20
>> Re CBOR the draft talks about constrained nodes/networks - where =
I=E2=80=99m guessing NETCONF won=E2=80=99t be the transport (at any rate =
the draft doesn=E2=80=99t include the word NETCONF).   I guess I2RS, =
YANG push etc. could potentially leverage CBOR too?  But either way =
I=E2=80=99m not sure NETCONF itself needs it - for configuration =
operations the =E2=80=9Ccommit=E2=80=9D is probably the bottleneck so =
more efficient message encoding may be a non-issue.
>>=20
>>=20
>> OK, seems like commit is an implementation issue, not a protocol =
issue.
>> CORE WG will work on an efficient protocol using YANG.
>>=20
>>=20
>> Giles
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> Andy
>> =20
>>> On 10 Apr 2016, at 06:04, Andy Bierman > wrote:
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>>> Hi,
>>>=20
>>> There are many deficiencies in NETCONF 1.1 that should be addressed.
>>> One in particular that keeps coming up at every IETF is the =
hard-wired
>>> XML encoding or all NETCONF messages.
>>>=20
>>> There is currently a YANG to JSON draft almost standardized
>>> and a YANG to CBOR draft just started.  IMO it is time to
>>> support a more advanced capabilities exchange so the client
>>> can pick a different message encoding, and new encoding formats
>>> can be added without republishing the protocol.
>>>=20
>>> I already proposed a way to do this in NETCONF:
>>> =
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bierman-netconf-efficiency-extensions-01=
#section-1.3.2 =

>>>=20
>>> A mechanism like this can be interoperable without the NETCONF WG
>>> controlling every possible encoding that may be used with NETCONF.
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On 13 Apr 2016, at 16:44, Ashesh Mishra <mishra.ashesh@outlook.com> wrote:

+1 for Andy's =
comment. 

For certain applications (telemetry is one such example) xml =
encoding is too large. 

agreed.  But I=E2=80=99m not sure NETCONF is the =
optimal transport for telemetry.

I support at least investigating what v2 should address and =
what it will look like. 

--
Ashesh

Excuse brevity. Sent from =
mobile. 

On Apr 13, 2016, at =
8:39 AM, Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com> wrote:



On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 8:25 AM, =
Giles Heron <giles.heron@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Andy,

Is there any great value in using a =
different encoding to XML when using NETCONF as the transport =
protocol?


The only value is to get the same info =
exchanged between peers, but to use 50 - 90%
less =
bytes on the wire.


that =
feels a bit like creating options for the sake of options - unless I=E2=80=
=99m missing something.

Re JSON of course we have RESTCONF transport (since web =
developers generally prefer JSON to XML there=E2=80=99s value in having =
JSON as an alternative encoding to XML).

Re CBOR the draft talks about =
constrained nodes/networks - where I=E2=80=99m guessing NETCONF won=E2=80=99=
t be the transport (at any rate the draft doesn=E2=80=99t include the =
word NETCONF).   I guess I2RS, YANG push etc. could potentially =
leverage CBOR too?  But either way I=E2=80=99m not sure NETCONF =
itself needs it - for configuration operations the =E2=80=9Ccommit=E2=80=9D=
 is probably the bottleneck so more efficient message encoding may be a =
non-issue.


OK, seems like commit is an =
implementation issue, not a protocol issue.
CORE WG =
will work on an efficient protocol using YANG.


Giles



Andy
 
On 10 Apr 2016, at 06:04, Andy =
Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com> wrote:

Hi,

There are many deficiencies in NETCONF =
1.1 that should be addressed.
One in particular =
that keeps coming up at every IETF is the hard-wired
XML encoding or all NETCONF messages.

There is currently a YANG to JSON draft =
almost standardized
and a YANG to CBOR draft just =
started.  IMO it is time to
support a more =
advanced capabilities exchange so the client
can =
pick a different message encoding, and new encoding formats
can be added without republishing the protocol.

I already proposed a way =
to do this in NETCONF:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bierman-netconf-efficiency-ex=
tensions-01#section-1.3.2

A mechanism like this can be =
interoperable without the NETCONF WG
controlling =
every possible encoding that may be used with NETCONF.


Andy



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Hi Ashesh

> On 13 Apr 2016, at 16:51, Ashesh Mishra  =
wrote:
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Excuse brevity. Sent from mobile.=20
>=20
> On Apr 13, 2016, at 8:46 AM, Giles Heron > wrote:
>=20
>>=20
>>> On 13 Apr 2016, at 16:44, Ashesh Mishra > wrote:
>>>=20
>>> +1 for Andy's comment.=20
>>>=20
>>> For certain applications (telemetry is one such example) xml =
encoding is too large.=20
>>=20
>> agreed.  But I=E2=80=99m not sure NETCONF is the optimal transport =
for telemetry.
>=20
> I'm on the fence with that. The proposed PUSH mechanism is pretty =
nifty. Also, if I'm interpreting it right, Andy is suggesting we fix the =
deficiencies of NETCONF in the new version (and the lack of flexibility =
in encoding bring one of the bigger issues at this time).  =20

sure, PUSH is nifty.  But I=E2=80=99m not sure NETCONF is what you=E2=80=99=
d come up with if you started out with a clean sheet of paper to design =
a protocol for pushing telemetry data?

Giles

>=20
>>=20
>>> I support at least investigating what v2 should address and what it =
will look like.=20
>>>=20
>>> --
>>> Ashesh
>>>=20
>>> Excuse brevity. Sent from mobile.=20
>>>=20
>>> On Apr 13, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Andy Bierman > wrote:
>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 8:25 AM, Giles Heron > wrote:
>>>> Hi Andy,
>>>>=20
>>>> Is there any great value in using a different encoding to XML when =
using NETCONF as the transport protocol?
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> The only value is to get the same info exchanged between peers, but =
to use 50 - 90%
>>>> less bytes on the wire.
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> that feels a bit like creating options for the sake of options - =
unless I=E2=80=99m missing something.
>>>>=20
>>>> Re JSON of course we have RESTCONF transport (since web developers =
generally prefer JSON to XML there=E2=80=99s value in having JSON as an =
alternative encoding to XML).
>>>>=20
>>>> Re CBOR the draft talks about constrained nodes/networks - where =
I=E2=80=99m guessing NETCONF won=E2=80=99t be the transport (at any rate =
the draft doesn=E2=80=99t include the word NETCONF).   I guess I2RS, =
YANG push etc. could potentially leverage CBOR too?  But either way =
I=E2=80=99m not sure NETCONF itself needs it - for configuration =
operations the =E2=80=9Ccommit=E2=80=9D is probably the bottleneck so =
more efficient message encoding may be a non-issue.
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> OK, seems like commit is an implementation issue, not a protocol =
issue.
>>>> CORE WG will work on an efficient protocol using YANG.
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Giles
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Andy
>>>> =20
>>>>> On 10 Apr 2016, at 06:04, Andy Bierman > wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>=20
>>>>> There are many deficiencies in NETCONF 1.1 that should be =
addressed.
>>>>> One in particular that keeps coming up at every IETF is the =
hard-wired
>>>>> XML encoding or all NETCONF messages.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> There is currently a YANG to JSON draft almost standardized
>>>>> and a YANG to CBOR draft just started.  IMO it is time to
>>>>> support a more advanced capabilities exchange so the client
>>>>> can pick a different message encoding, and new encoding formats
>>>>> can be added without republishing the protocol.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> I already proposed a way to do this in NETCONF:
>>>>> =
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bierman-netconf-efficiency-extensions-01=
#section-1.3.2 =

>>>>>=20
>>>>> A mechanism like this can be interoperable without the NETCONF WG
>>>>> controlling every possible encoding that may be used with NETCONF.
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Andy
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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Hi Ashesh

On 13 Apr 2016, at 16:51, =
Ashesh Mishra <mishra.ashesh@outlook.com> wrote:


Excuse brevity. Sent from mobile. 

On Apr 13, 2016, at 8:46 AM, Giles Heron =
<giles.heron@gmail.com> wrote:


On 13 Apr 2016, at 16:44, =
Ashesh Mishra <mishra.ashesh@outlook.com> wrote:

+1 for Andy's =
comment. 

For certain applications (telemetry is one such example) xml =
encoding is too large. 

agreed.  But I=E2=80=99m not sure =
NETCONF is the optimal transport for =
telemetry.

I'm on the fence with =
that. The proposed PUSH mechanism is pretty nifty. Also, if I'm =
interpreting it right, Andy is suggesting we fix the deficiencies of =
NETCONF in the new version (and the lack of flexibility in encoding =
bring one of the bigger issues at this time). =
  

sure, =
PUSH is nifty.  But I=E2=80=99m not sure NETCONF is what you=E2=80=99=
d come up with if you started out with a clean sheet of paper to design =
a protocol for pushing telemetry data?

Giles



I =
support at least investigating what v2 should address and what it will =
look like. 

--
Ashesh

Excuse brevity. Sent from mobile. 

On Apr 13, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Andy Bierman =
<andy@yumaworks.com> wrote:



On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 8:25 AM, =
Giles Heron <giles.heron@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Andy,

Is there any great value in using a =
different encoding to XML when using NETCONF as the transport =
protocol?


The only value is to get the same info =
exchanged between peers, but to use 50 - 90%
less =
bytes on the wire.


that =
feels a bit like creating options for the sake of options - unless I=E2=80=
=99m missing something.

Re JSON of course we have RESTCONF transport (since web =
developers generally prefer JSON to XML there=E2=80=99s value in having =
JSON as an alternative encoding to XML).

Re CBOR the draft talks about =
constrained nodes/networks - where I=E2=80=99m guessing NETCONF won=E2=80=99=
t be the transport (at any rate the draft doesn=E2=80=99t include the =
word NETCONF).   I guess I2RS, YANG push etc. could potentially =
leverage CBOR too?  But either way I=E2=80=99m not sure NETCONF =
itself needs it - for configuration operations the =E2=80=9Ccommit=E2=80=9D=
 is probably the bottleneck so more efficient message encoding may be a =
non-issue.


OK, seems like commit is an =
implementation issue, not a protocol issue.
CORE WG =
will work on an efficient protocol using YANG.


Giles



Andy
 
On 10 Apr 2016, at 06:04, Andy =
Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com> wrote:

Hi,

There are many deficiencies in NETCONF =
1.1 that should be addressed.
One in particular =
that keeps coming up at every IETF is the hard-wired
XML encoding or all NETCONF messages.

There is currently a YANG to JSON draft =
almost standardized
and a YANG to CBOR draft just =
started.  IMO it is time to
support a more =
advanced capabilities exchange so the client
can =
pick a different message encoding, and new encoding formats
can be added without republishing the protocol.

I already proposed a way =
to do this in NETCONF:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bierman-netconf-efficiency-ex=
tensions-01#section-1.3.2

A mechanism like this can be =
interoperable without the NETCONF WG
controlling =
every possible encoding that may be used with NETCONF.


Andy



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Andy

Um; I would rather take a step back and get a better architecture first.

When asked what SNMP is, I usually point to RFC1155 which introduces a
'simple, workable architecture '.  With NETCONF we dived into the
protocol except that that was not enough so we have a protocol and other
bits and pieces in the RFC.  YANG likewise, enmeshed with NETCONF, but
adding some more pieces.  So when an I2RS or an openconfig comes along,
they usually miss out on the key concepts, such as a datastore, because
they are not set out as clearly as key concepts might be, in amongst the
protocol and the DDL.

I would like NETCONF to be stripped down to be a protocol, with an
equivalent to RFC1155 setting out the framework, of which a protocol is
part.  (It would have made RESTCONF somewhat easier).

By the same token, I would have been more supportive of the recurrent
suggestions on the netmod list to take NETCONF out of the YANG RFC (
more so than of YANG1.1:-)

That done, then a replacement/enhanced protocol would be simpler to
design.

Tom Petch

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Bierman" 
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> There are many deficiencies in NETCONF 1.1 that should be addressed.
> One in particular that keeps coming up at every IETF is the hard-wired
> XML encoding or all NETCONF messages.
>
> There is currently a YANG to JSON draft almost standardized
> and a YANG to CBOR draft just started.  IMO it is time to
> support a more advanced capabilities exchange so the client
> can pick a different message encoding, and new encoding formats
> can be added without republishing the protocol.
>
> I already proposed a way to do this in NETCONF:
>
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bierman-netconf-efficiency-extensions-
01#section-1.3.2
>
> A mechanism like this can be interoperable without the NETCONF WG
> controlling every possible encoding that may be used with NETCONF.
>
>
> Andy


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Hi,

It is usually considered a good idea to decouple the message encoding format
from the protocol.  I don't want to start over with NETCONF.
It works fine even if the message sizes are large.
RESTCONF can address those issues.


Andy


On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 9:12 AM, t.petch  wrote:

> Andy
>
> Um; I would rather take a step back and get a better architecture first.
>
> When asked what SNMP is, I usually point to RFC1155 which introduces a
> 'simple, workable architecture '.  With NETCONF we dived into the
> protocol except that that was not enough so we have a protocol and other
> bits and pieces in the RFC.  YANG likewise, enmeshed with NETCONF, but
> adding some more pieces.  So when an I2RS or an openconfig comes along,
> they usually miss out on the key concepts, such as a datastore, because
> they are not set out as clearly as key concepts might be, in amongst the
> protocol and the DDL.
>
> I would like NETCONF to be stripped down to be a protocol, with an
> equivalent to RFC1155 setting out the framework, of which a protocol is
> part.  (It would have made RESTCONF somewhat easier).
>
> By the same token, I would have been more supportive of the recurrent
> suggestions on the netmod list to take NETCONF out of the YANG RFC (
> more so than of YANG1.1:-)
>
> That done, then a replacement/enhanced protocol would be simpler to
> design.
>
> Tom Petch
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Bierman" 
> To: "Netconf" 
> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 6:04 AM
>
> > There are many deficiencies in NETCONF 1.1 that should be addressed.
> > One in particular that keeps coming up at every IETF is the hard-wired
> > XML encoding or all NETCONF messages.
> >
> > There is currently a YANG to JSON draft almost standardized
> > and a YANG to CBOR draft just started.  IMO it is time to
> > support a more advanced capabilities exchange so the client
> > can pick a different message encoding, and new encoding formats
> > can be added without republishing the protocol.
> >
> > I already proposed a way to do this in NETCONF:
> >
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bierman-netconf-efficiency-extensions-
> 01#section-1.3.2
> >
> > A mechanism like this can be interoperable without the NETCONF WG
> > controlling every possible encoding that may be used with NETCONF.
> >
> >
> > Andy
>
>

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Hi,

It is usually considered a good ide=
a to decouple the message encoding format
from the protocol.=C2=
=A0 I don't want to start over with NETCONF.
It works fine ev=
en if the message sizes are large.
RESTCONF can address those iss=
ues.


Andy


On Wed, Apr 13, =
2016 at 9:12 AM, t.petch <ietfc@btconnect.com> wrote:
<=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Andy



Um; I would rather take a step back and get a better architecture first.


When asked what SNMP is, I usually point to RFC1155 which introduces a

'simple, workable architecture '.=C2=A0 With NETCONF we dived into =
the

protocol except that that was not enough so we have a protocol and other
bits and pieces in the RFC.=C2=A0 YANG likewise, enmeshed with NETCONF, but=


adding some more pieces.=C2=A0 So when an I2RS or an openconfig comes along=
,

they usually miss out on the key concepts, such as a datastore, because

they are not set out as clearly as key concepts might be, in amongst the
protocol and the DDL.



I would like NETCONF to be stripped down to be a protocol, with an

equivalent to RFC1155 setting out the framework, of which a protocol is

part.=C2=A0 (It would have made RESTCONF somewhat easier).



By the same token, I would have been more supportive of the recurrent

suggestions on the netmod list to take NETCONF out of the YANG RFC (

more so than of YANG1.1:-)



That done, then a replacement/enhanced protocol would be simpler to

design.



Tom Petch



----- Original Message -----

From: "Andy Bierman" <an=
dy@yumaworks.com>

To: "Netconf" <netconf@iet=
f.org>

Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 6:04 AM



> There are many deficiencies in NETCONF 1.1 that should be addressed.
> One in particular that keeps coming up at every IETF is the hard-wired=


> XML encoding or all NETCONF messages.

>

> There is currently a YANG to JSON draft almost standardized

> and a YANG to CBOR draft just started.=C2=A0 IMO it is time to

> support a more advanced capabilities exchange so the client

> can pick a different message encoding, and new encoding formats

> can be added without republishing the protocol.

>

> I already proposed a way to do this in NETCONF:

>

https://tools.ietf.o=
rg/html/draft-bierman-netconf-efficiency-extensions-

01#section-1.3.2

>

> A mechanism like this can be interoperable without the NETCONF WG

> controlling every possible encoding that may be used with NETCONF.

>

>

> Andy







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Hi,

So now we are starting over on NETCONF and YANG.

Sorry I brought up the topic.

XML is good enough for NETCONF.
I do not agree that the half-baked YANG modules that say
the protocol will use a different encoding are a good idea.
The message encoding is part of the protocol, not a YANG module.
(i.e, NETCONF MUST use XML. Period.  Use another protocol
if XML encoding is not desired.)


Andy



On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Alexander Clemm (alex) 
wrote:

> Hi Giles,
>
>
>
> Your clean sheet of paper design presumably does not include clean sheet
> for how you model the data itself =E2=80=93 for this one you presumably a=
ccept YANG
> models?  When you do that, you already constrain your design space
> considerably.
>
>
>
> On the push side, one important aspect concerns the separation of the
> control model / the management of the subscriptions, from the push update=
s
> themselves.  I also think the YANG/Netconf framework should not be
> considered as something completely static; it may be evolved as
> requirements evolve.
>
>
>
> For control model / subscription management, the current framework works
> provides a very good basis IMHO.  For push messages themselves, sure, the=
re
> may be need for different transports and encodings, which I think can be
> accommodated via extensions to the framework.
>
>
>
> --- Alex
>
>
>
> *From:* Netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Giles
> Heron
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 13, 2016 8:54 AM
> *To:* Ashesh Mishra 
> *Cc:* Netconf 
> *Subject:* Re: [Netconf] time for a new NETCONF version?
>
>
>
> Hi Ashesh
>
>
>
> On 13 Apr 2016, at 16:51, Ashesh Mishra  wrote=
:
>
>
>
>
>
> Excuse brevity. Sent from mobile.
>
>
> On Apr 13, 2016, at 8:46 AM, Giles Heron  wrote:
>
>
>
> On 13 Apr 2016, at 16:44, Ashesh Mishra  wrote=
:
>
>
>
> +1 for Andy's comment.
>
>
>
> For certain applications (telemetry is one such example) xml encoding is
> too large.
>
>
>
> agreed.  But I=E2=80=99m not sure NETCONF is the optimal transport for te=
lemetry.
>
>
> I'm on the fence with that. The proposed PUSH mechanism is pretty nifty.
> Also, if I'm interpreting it right, Andy is suggesting we fix the
> deficiencies of NETCONF in the new version (and the lack of flexibility i=
n
> encoding bring one of the bigger issues at this time).
>
>
>
> sure, PUSH is nifty.  But I=E2=80=99m not sure NETCONF is what you=E2=80=
=99d come up with
> if you started out with a clean sheet of paper to design a protocol for
> pushing telemetry data?
>
>
>
> Giles
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I support at least investigating what v2 should address and what it will
> look like.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Ashesh
>
> Excuse brevity. Sent from mobile.
>
>
> On Apr 13, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Andy Bierman  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 8:25 AM, Giles Heron 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Andy,
>
>
>
> Is there any great value in using a different encoding to XML when using
> NETCONF as the transport protocol?
>
>
>
>
>
> The only value is to get the same info exchanged between peers, but to us=
e
> 50 - 90%
>
> less bytes on the wire.
>
>
>
>
>
> that feels a bit like creating options for the sake of options - unless
> I=E2=80=99m missing something.
>
>
>
> Re JSON of course we have RESTCONF transport (since web developers
> generally prefer JSON to XML there=E2=80=99s value in having JSON as an a=
lternative
> encoding to XML).
>
>
>
> Re CBOR the draft talks about constrained nodes/networks - where I=E2=80=
=99m
> guessing NETCONF won=E2=80=99t be the transport (at any rate the draft do=
esn=E2=80=99t
> include the word NETCONF).   I guess I2RS, YANG push etc. could potential=
ly
> leverage CBOR too?  But either way I=E2=80=99m not sure NETCONF itself ne=
eds it -
> for configuration operations the =E2=80=9Ccommit=E2=80=9D is probably the=
 bottleneck so
> more efficient message encoding may be a non-issue.
>
>
>
>
>
> OK, seems like commit is an implementation issue, not a protocol issue.
>
> CORE WG will work on an efficient protocol using YANG.
>
>
>
>
>
> Giles
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> On 10 Apr 2016, at 06:04, Andy Bierman  wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> There are many deficiencies in NETCONF 1.1 that should be addressed.
>
> One in particular that keeps coming up at every IETF is the hard-wired
>
> XML encoding or all NETCONF messages.
>
>
>
> There is currently a YANG to JSON draft almost standardized
>
> and a YANG to CBOR draft just started.  IMO it is time to
>
> support a more advanced capabilities exchange so the client
>
> can pick a different message encoding, and new encoding formats
>
> can be added without republishing the protocol.
>
>
>
> I already proposed a way to do this in NETCONF:
>
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bierman-netconf-efficiency-extensions-0=
1#section-1.3.2
>
>
>
> A mechanism like this can be interoperable without the NETCONF WG
>
> controlling every possible encoding that may be used with NETCONF.
>
>
>
>
>
> Andy
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Netconf mailing list
> Netconf@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Netconf mailing list
> Netconf@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Netconf mailing list
> Netconf@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf
>
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Hi,

So now we are starting over on NETC=
ONF and YANG.

Sorry I brought up the topic.
<=
div>
XML is good enough for NETCONF.
I do not agree=
 that the half-baked YANG modules that say
the protocol will use =
a different encoding are a good idea.
The message encoding is par=
t of the protocol, not a YANG module.
(i.e, NETCONF MUST use XML.=
 Period.=C2=A0 Use another protocol
if XML encoding is not desire=
d.)


Andy

<=
br>

On =
Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Alexander Clemm (alex) <=
;alex@cisco.com>=
 wrote:











Hi Giles,


=C2=A0


Your clean sheet of paper design pres=
umably does not include clean sheet for how you model the data itself =E2=
=80=93 for this one you presumably accept YANG models?=C2=A0 When
 you do that, you already constrain your design space considerably.=C2=A0 <=
u>


=C2=A0


On the push side, one important aspec=
t concerns the separation of the control model / the management of the subs=
criptions, from the push updates themselves.=C2=A0
 I also think the YANG/Netconf framework should not be considered as someth=
ing completely static; it may be evolved as requirements evolve.=C2=A0



=C2=A0


For control model / subscription mana=
gement, the current framework works provides a very good basis IMHO.=C2=A0 =
For push messages themselves, sure, there may be need
 for different transports and encodings, which I think can be accommodated =
via extensions to the framework.=C2=A0



=C2=A0


--- Alex


=C2=A0



=C2=A0


Hi Ashesh




=C2=A0








On 13 Apr 2016, at 16:51, Ashesh Mishra <mishra.ashesh@outlo=
ok.com> wrote:




=C2=A0












Excuse brevity. Sent from mobile.=C2=A0








On Apr 13, 2016, at 8:46 AM, Giles Heron <giles.heron@gmail.com> wrote:=









=C2=A0








On 13 Apr 2016, at 16:44, Ashesh Mishra <mishra.ashesh@outlo=
ok.com> wrote:




=C2=A0








+1 for Andy's comment.=C2=A0






=C2=A0






For certain applications (telemetry is one such exam=
ple) xml encoding is too large.=C2=A0












=C2=A0




agreed.=C2=A0 But I=E2=80=99m not sure NETCONF is th=
e optimal transport for telemetry.










I'm on the fence with that. The proposed PUSH mechanism is pretty nifty=
. Also, if I'm interpreting it right, Andy is suggesting we fix the def=
iciencies of NETCONF in the new version (and the lack of flexibility in enc=
oding bring one of the bigger issues at
 this time). =C2=A0=C2=A0










=C2=A0




sure, PUSH is nifty.=C2=A0 But I=E2=80=99m not sure =
NETCONF is what you=E2=80=99d come up with if you started out with a clean =
sheet of paper to design a protocol for pushing telemetry data?






=C2=A0






Giles

















































I support at least investigating what v2 should addr=
ess and what it will look like.=C2=A0






=C2=A0






--






Ashesh



Excuse brevity. Sent from mobile.=C2=A0








On Apr 13, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com> wrote:<=
/p>









=C2=A0




=C2=A0




On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 8:25 AM, Giles Heron <giles.heron@gmail.c=
om> wrote:






Hi Andy,




=C2=A0






Is there any great value in using a different encodi=
ng to XML when using NETCONF as the transport protocol?




=C2=A0












=C2=A0






The only value is to get the same info exchanged bet=
ween peers, but to use 50 - 90%






less bytes on the wire.






=C2=A0






=C2=A0












that feels a bit like creating options for the sake =
of options - unless I=E2=80=99m missing something.






=C2=A0






Re JSON of course we have RESTCONF transport (since =
web developers generally prefer JSON to XML there=E2=80=99s value in having=
 JSON as an alternative encoding to XML).






=C2=A0






Re CBOR the draft talks about constrained nodes/netw=
orks - where I=E2=80=99m guessing NETCONF won=E2=80=99t be the transport (a=
t any rate the draft doesn=E2=80=99t include the word NETCONF). =C2=A0 I gu=
ess I2RS, YANG push etc. could potentially leverage CBOR too?=C2=A0
 But either way I=E2=80=99m not sure NETCONF itself needs it - for configur=
ation operations the =E2=80=9Ccommit=E2=80=9D is probably the bottleneck so=
 more efficient message encoding may be a non-issue.






=C2=A0












=C2=A0






OK, seems like commit is an implementation issue, no=
t a protocol issue.






CORE WG will work on an efficient protocol using YAN=
G.






=C2=A0






=C2=A0












Giles






=C2=A0












=C2=A0






=C2=A0






Andy






=C2=A0


















On 10 Apr 2016, at 06:04, Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com>=
 wrote:




=C2=A0






Hi,




=C2=A0






There are many deficiencies in NETCONF 1.1 that shou=
ld be addressed.






One in particular that keeps coming up at every IETF=
 is the hard-wired






XML encoding or all NETCONF messages.<=
/p>





=C2=A0






There is currently a YANG to JSON draft almost stand=
ardized






and a YANG to CBOR draft just started.=C2=A0 IMO it =
is time to






support a more advanced capabilities exchange so the=
 client






can pick a different message encoding, and new encod=
ing formats






can be added without republishing the protocol.






=C2=A0






I already proposed a way to do this in NETCONF:







=C2=A0






A mechanism like this can be interoperable without t=
he NETCONF WG






controlling every possible encoding that may be used=
 with NETCONF.






=C2=A0






=C2=A0






Andy






=C2=A0






=C2=A0






_______________________________________________

Netconf mailing list

Netconf@ietf.org<=
br>
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf








=C2=A0












=C2=A0














_______________________________________________

Netconf mailing list

Netconf@ietf.org<=
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https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf








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[Chair hat off]

+1

I would support the idea of the WG exploring the separation of transport =
from the encoding mechanisms used.=20

There is clearly a need to have different encoding formats to meet =
different requirements. While XML and JSON works great for smaller =
pieces of data, we have not dealt with the issue of bulk data and its =
requirements. YANG push and streaming of operational data are examples =
of that. If extensions to the protocol allow for that flexibility, I =
would support it.

Thanks

> On Apr 13, 2016, at 10:49 AM, Alexander Clemm (alex)  =
wrote:
>=20
> Hi Giles,
> =20
> Your clean sheet of paper design presumably does not include clean =
sheet for how you model the data itself =E2=80=93 for this one you =
presumably accept YANG models?  When you do that, you already constrain =
your design space considerably. =20
> =20
> On the push side, one important aspect concerns the separation of the =
control model / the management of the subscriptions, from the push =
updates themselves.  I also think the YANG/Netconf framework should not =
be considered as something completely static; it may be evolved as =
requirements evolve.=20
> =20
> For control model / subscription management, the current framework =
works provides a very good basis IMHO.  For push messages themselves, =
sure, there may be need for different transports and encodings, which I =
think can be accommodated via extensions to the framework.=20
> =20
> --- Alex
> =20
> From: Netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Giles =
Heron
> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 8:54 AM
> To: Ashesh Mishra 
> Cc: Netconf 
> Subject: Re: [Netconf] time for a new NETCONF version?
> =20
> Hi Ashesh
> =20
> On 13 Apr 2016, at 16:51, Ashesh Mishra > wrote:
> =20
>=20
>=20
> Excuse brevity. Sent from mobile.=20
>=20
> On Apr 13, 2016, at 8:46 AM, Giles Heron > wrote:
>=20
> =20
> On 13 Apr 2016, at 16:44, Ashesh Mishra > wrote:
> =20
> +1 for Andy's comment.=20
> =20
> For certain applications (telemetry is one such example) xml encoding =
is too large.=20
> =20
> agreed.  But I=E2=80=99m not sure NETCONF is the optimal transport for =
telemetry.
>=20
> I'm on the fence with that. The proposed PUSH mechanism is pretty =
nifty. Also, if I'm interpreting it right, Andy is suggesting we fix the =
deficiencies of NETCONF in the new version (and the lack of flexibility =
in encoding bring one of the bigger issues at this time).  =20
> =20
> sure, PUSH is nifty.  But I=E2=80=99m not sure NETCONF is what you=E2=80=
=99d come up with if you started out with a clean sheet of paper to =
design a protocol for pushing telemetry data?
> =20
> Giles
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> I support at least investigating what v2 should address and what it =
will look like.=20
> =20
> --
> Ashesh
>=20
> Excuse brevity. Sent from mobile.=20
>=20
> On Apr 13, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Andy Bierman > wrote:
>=20
> =20
> =20
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 8:25 AM, Giles Heron > wrote:
> Hi Andy,
> =20
> Is there any great value in using a different encoding to XML when =
using NETCONF as the transport protocol?
> =20
> =20
> The only value is to get the same info exchanged between peers, but to =
use 50 - 90%
> less bytes on the wire.
> =20
> =20
> that feels a bit like creating options for the sake of options - =
unless I=E2=80=99m missing something.
> =20
> Re JSON of course we have RESTCONF transport (since web developers =
generally prefer JSON to XML there=E2=80=99s value in having JSON as an =
alternative encoding to XML).
> =20
> Re CBOR the draft talks about constrained nodes/networks - where I=E2=80=
=99m guessing NETCONF won=E2=80=99t be the transport (at any rate the =
draft doesn=E2=80=99t include the word NETCONF).   I guess I2RS, YANG =
push etc. could potentially leverage CBOR too?  But either way I=E2=80=99m=
 not sure NETCONF itself needs it - for configuration operations the =
=E2=80=9Ccommit=E2=80=9D is probably the bottleneck so more efficient =
message encoding may be a non-issue.
> =20
> =20
> OK, seems like commit is an implementation issue, not a protocol =
issue.
> CORE WG will work on an efficient protocol using YANG.
> =20
> =20
> Giles
> =20
> =20
> =20
> Andy
> =20
> On 10 Apr 2016, at 06:04, Andy Bierman > wrote:
> =20
> Hi,
> =20
> There are many deficiencies in NETCONF 1.1 that should be addressed.
> One in particular that keeps coming up at every IETF is the hard-wired
> XML encoding or all NETCONF messages.
> =20
> There is currently a YANG to JSON draft almost standardized
> and a YANG to CBOR draft just started.  IMO it is time to
> support a more advanced capabilities exchange so the client
> can pick a different message encoding, and new encoding formats
> can be added without republishing the protocol.
> =20
> I already proposed a way to do this in NETCONF:
> =
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bierman-netconf-efficiency-extensions-01=
#section-1.3.2 =

> =20
> A mechanism like this can be interoperable without the NETCONF WG
> controlling every possible encoding that may be used with NETCONF.
> =20
> =20
> Andy
> =20
> =20
> _______________________________________________
> Netconf mailing list
> Netconf@ietf.org 
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf =

> =20
> =20
> _______________________________________________
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> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf =

> 
> =20
> =20
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[Chair hat off]

+1

I =
would support the idea of the WG exploring the separation of transport =
from the encoding mechanisms used. 

There is clearly a need to have =
different encoding formats to meet different requirements. While XML and =
JSON works great for smaller pieces of data, we have not dealt with the =
issue of bulk data and its requirements. YANG push and streaming of =
operational data are examples of that. If extensions to the protocol =
allow for that flexibility, I would support it.

Thanks

On =
Apr 13, 2016, at 10:49 AM, Alexander Clemm (alex) <alex@cisco.com> =
wrote:

Hi Giles,
 
Your clean sheet of =
paper design presumably does not include clean sheet for how you model =
the data itself =E2=80=93 for this one you presumably accept YANG =
models?  When you do that, you already constrain your design space =
considerably.  
 
On the push side, one =
important aspect concerns the separation of the control model / the =
management of the subscriptions, from the push updates themselves.  =
I also think the YANG/Netconf framework should not be considered as =
something completely static; it may be evolved as requirements =
evolve. 
 
For=
 control model / subscription management, the current framework works =
provides a very good basis IMHO.  For push messages themselves, =
sure, there may be need for different transports and encodings, which I =
think can be accommodated via extensions to the framework. 
 
--- Alex
 
From: Netconf =
[mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf =
Of Giles Heron
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 =
8:54 AM
To: Ashesh Mishra <mishra.ashesh@outlook.com>
Cc: Netconf <netconf@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Netconf] time for a =
new NETCONF version?
 
Hi Ashesh
 
On 13 Apr 2016, at =
16:51, Ashesh Mishra <mishra.ashesh@outlook.com> wrote:
 


Excuse brevity. Sent from mobile. 

On Apr 13, 2016, at 8:46 AM, Giles Heron =
<giles.heron@gmail.com> =
wrote:
 
On =
13 Apr 2016, at 16:44, Ashesh Mishra <mishra.ashesh@outlook.com> =
wrote:
 
+1 =
for Andy's comment. 
 
For certain applications (telemetry is one such =
example) xml encoding is too large. 
 
agreed.  But I=E2=80=99m not sure NETCONF is the optimal =
transport for telemetry.

I'm on the fence with that. The =
proposed PUSH mechanism is pretty nifty. Also, if I'm interpreting it =
right, Andy is suggesting we fix the deficiencies of NETCONF in the new =
version (and the lack of flexibility in encoding bring one of the bigger =
issues at this time).   
 
sure, PUSH is nifty.  But I=E2=80=99m not sure NETCONF =
is what you=E2=80=99d come up with if you started out with a clean sheet =
of paper to design a protocol for pushing telemetry data?
 
Giles






I support at least =
investigating what v2 should address and what it will look =
like. 
 
--
Ashesh

Excuse brevity. Sent from mobile. 

On Apr 13, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Andy Bierman =
<andy@yumaworks.com> =
wrote:
 
 
On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 8:25 AM, Giles Heron <giles.heron@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi =
Andy,
 
Is there any great =
value in using a different encoding to XML when using NETCONF as the =
transport protocol?
 
 
The only value is to get the same info exchanged =
between peers, but to use 50 - 90%
less bytes on the =
wire.
 
 
that =
feels a bit like creating options for the sake of options - unless I=E2=80=
=99m missing something.
 
Re JSON of course we have RESTCONF transport (since =
web developers generally prefer JSON to XML there=E2=80=99s value in =
having JSON as an alternative encoding to XML).
 
Re CBOR the draft talks about constrained =
nodes/networks - where I=E2=80=99m guessing NETCONF won=E2=80=99t be the =
transport (at any rate the draft doesn=E2=80=99t include the word =
NETCONF).   I guess I2RS, YANG push etc. could potentially leverage =
CBOR too?  But either way I=E2=80=99m not sure NETCONF itself needs =
it - for configuration operations the =E2=80=9Ccommit=E2=80=9D is =
probably the bottleneck so more efficient message encoding may be a =
non-issue.
 
 
OK, seems like commit is an implementation issue, not =
a protocol issue.
CORE WG will work on an efficient =
protocol using YANG.
 
 
Giles
 
 
 
Andy
 
On 10 Apr 2016, at =
06:04, Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com> wrote:
 
Hi,
 
There are many deficiencies in NETCONF 1.1 that =
should be addressed.
One in particular that keeps coming up at =
every IETF is the hard-wired
XML encoding or all =
NETCONF messages.
 
There is currently a YANG to JSON draft almost =
standardized
and a YANG to CBOR draft just =
started.  IMO it is time to
support a more =
advanced capabilities exchange so the client
can pick a different message encoding, and new encoding =
formats
can be added without republishing the =
protocol.
 
I already proposed a way to do this in NETCONF:
 
A mechanism like this can be interoperable without =
the NETCONF WG
controlling every possible encoding that =
may be used with NETCONF.
 
 
Andy
 
 
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> On 13 Apr 2016, at 17:39, Andy Bierman  wrote:
>=20
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> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 8:25 AM, Giles Heron  =
wrote:
> Hi Andy,
>=20
> Is there any great value in using a different encoding to XML when =
using NETCONF as the transport protocol?
>=20
>=20
> The only value is to get the same info exchanged between peers, but to =
use 50 - 90%
> less bytes on the wire.

This may be true for an implementation that support *both* XML and JSON. =
If you go JSON-only, then parsing and dealing with data in general =
becomes considerably simpler - no DOMs or event-driven APIs are needed. =
XML is great as for marked-up text (as in HTML) but much less so as a =
data exchange format.

Lada

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> that feels a bit like creating options for the sake of options - =
unless I=E2=80=99m missing something.
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> Re JSON of course we have RESTCONF transport (since web developers =
generally prefer JSON to XML there=E2=80=99s value in having JSON as an =
alternative encoding to XML).
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> Re CBOR the draft talks about constrained nodes/networks - where I=E2=80=
=99m guessing NETCONF won=E2=80=99t be the transport (at any rate the =
draft doesn=E2=80=99t include the word NETCONF).   I guess I2RS, YANG =
push etc. could potentially leverage CBOR too?  But either way I=E2=80=99m=
 not sure NETCONF itself needs it - for configuration operations the =
=E2=80=9Ccommit=E2=80=9D is probably the bottleneck so more efficient =
message encoding may be a non-issue.
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>=20
> OK, seems like commit is an implementation issue, not a protocol =
issue.
> CORE WG will work on an efficient protocol using YANG.
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>=20
> Giles
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> Andy
> =20
>> On 10 Apr 2016, at 06:04, Andy Bierman  wrote:
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>> Hi,
>>=20
>> There are many deficiencies in NETCONF 1.1 that should be addressed.
>> One in particular that keeps coming up at every IETF is the =
hard-wired
>> XML encoding or all NETCONF messages.
>>=20
>> There is currently a YANG to JSON draft almost standardized
>> and a YANG to CBOR draft just started.  IMO it is time to
>> support a more advanced capabilities exchange so the client
>> can pick a different message encoding, and new encoding formats
>> can be added without republishing the protocol.
>>=20
>> I already proposed a way to do this in NETCONF:
>> =
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bierman-netconf-efficiency-extensions-01=
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>> A mechanism like this can be interoperable without the NETCONF WG
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Hi,

I'd appreciate clarification of how the  NETCONF edit-config command should work with default-operation set to 'replace'.  For the most part, the edit-config section is clear that config will only be replaced if explicitly overwritten (ie if you provide replacement config for given nodes).  However, the section on default-operation is less clear:

         The  parameter is optional, but if provided,
         it has one of the following values:

         merge:  The configuration data in the  parameter is
            merged with the configuration at the corresponding level in
            the target datastore.  This is the default behavior.

         replace:  The configuration data in the  parameter
            completely replaces the configuration in the target
            datastore.  This is useful for loading previously saved
            configuration data.

Specifically, while 'merge' states that merge happesn with 'configuration as the corresponding level', 'replace' states that is 'completely replaces' the configuration, suggesting that it will remove ALL existing configuration regardless of what is explicitly provided as the replacement.  Is that correct, or is 'replace' meant to have equivalent semantics to 'merge' ie it will only replace configuration when an explicit replacement is provided.  In other words, if the latter case is correct, all it does is remove the requirement to specify the operation in each element of new config.

Thanks,

William



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Hi,


 


I’d appreciate clarification of how the  NETCONF edit-confi=
g command should work with default-operation set to ‘replace’.&=
nbsp; For the most part, the edit-config section is clear that config will =
only be replaced if explicitly overwritten (ie if you provide
replacement config for given nodes).  However, the section on default-=
operation is less clear:


 


         The <default-opera=
tion> parameter is optional, but if provided,


         it has one of the fol=
lowing values:


 


         merge:  The conf=
iguration data in the <config> parameter is


            mer=
ged with the configuration at the corresponding level in


            the=
 target datastore.  This is the default behavior.


 


         replace:  The co=
nfiguration data in the <config> parameter


            com=
pletely replaces the configuration in the target


            dat=
astore.  This is useful for loading previously saved


            con=
figuration data.


 


Specifically, while ‘merge’ states that merge happesn with=
 ‘configuration as the corresponding level’, ‘replaceR=
17; states that is ‘completely replaces’ the configuration, sug=
gesting that it will remove ALL existing configuration regardless of what i=
s explicitly
provided as the replacement.  Is that correct, or is ‘replace=
217; meant to have equivalent semantics to ‘merge’ ie it will o=
nly replace configuration when an explicit replacement is provided.  I=
n other words, if the latter case is correct, all it does is remove
the requirement to specify the operation in each element of new config.

 


Thanks,


 


William


 


 





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Hi,

William Ivory  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'd appreciate clarification of how the NETCONF edit-config command
> should work with default-operation set to 'replace'.  For the most
> part, the edit-config section is clear that config will only be
> replaced if explicitly overwritten (ie if you provide replacement
> config for given nodes).  However, the section on default-operation is
> less clear:
> 
>          The  parameter is optional, but if provided,
>          it has one of the following values:
> 
>          merge:  The configuration data in the  parameter is
>             merged with the configuration at the corresponding level in
>             the target datastore.  This is the default behavior.
> 
>          replace:  The configuration data in the  parameter
>             completely replaces the configuration in the target
>             datastore.  This is useful for loading previously saved
>             configuration data.
> 
> Specifically, while 'merge' states that merge happesn with
> 'configuration as the corresponding level', 'replace' states that is
> 'completely replaces' the configuration, suggesting that it will
> remove ALL existing configuration regardless of what is explicitly
> provided as the replacement.  Is that correct, or is 'replace' meant
> to have equivalent semantics to 'merge' ie it will only replace
> configuration when an explicit replacement is provided.  In other
> words, if the latter case is correct, all it does is remove the
> requirement to specify the operation in each element of new config.

Yes the latter is correct.  Note that the definition of "replace" as
an operation says:

            Unlike a
             operation, which replaces the entire target
            configuration, only the configuration actually present in
            the  parameter is affected.


/martin


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For the following module:

module x {
   namespace "example:uri";
   prefix ex;

   container y {
     leaf-list z {
       type string;
       ordered-by user;
     }
   }
}

and a datastore containing:

   
     a
     b
     d
   

what is the correct restconf request (using "insert" and "point") to 
insert leaf-list entry "c" after entry "b", for both XML and JSON encoding?

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Hi Martin,

Thanks - I think  that the section on 'replace' under 'default-operation' could do with being clarified next time the RFC is updated then.

I'd appreciate some further clarification on what exactly ' only the configuration actually present in the  parameter is affected' means in practice.

First, the general pattern of examples which use 'operation=' is that this command is put in the 'parent' element's tag, ie the tag which specifies 'delete' is *not* deleted.  How then would you delete a top-level container?  The examples have a '' element but in cases where there are multiple top-level nodes, some of which are optional in the configuration (ie not presence containers), is it possible to delete these nodes?

Secondly, if I'm correct that the 'delete' operation would only affect nodes below the one with the delete operation, is it possible to construct an edit-config PDU that would delete all child nodes without having to explicitly specify each one?  Or is the only way to achieve this either to explicitly specify all config to be removed, or to do a copy-config explicitly specifying all config that is not to be deleted.

Thanks,

William

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Hi,

William Ivory  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'd appreciate clarification of how the NETCONF edit-config command 
> should work with default-operation set to 'replace'.  For the most 
> part, the edit-config section is clear that config will only be 
> replaced if explicitly overwritten (ie if you provide replacement 
> config for given nodes).  However, the section on default-operation is 
> less clear:
> 
>          The  parameter is optional, but if provided,
>          it has one of the following values:
> 
>          merge:  The configuration data in the  parameter is
>             merged with the configuration at the corresponding level in
>             the target datastore.  This is the default behavior.
> 
>          replace:  The configuration data in the  parameter
>             completely replaces the configuration in the target
>             datastore.  This is useful for loading previously saved
>             configuration data.
> 
> Specifically, while 'merge' states that merge happesn with 
> 'configuration as the corresponding level', 'replace' states that is 
> 'completely replaces' the configuration, suggesting that it will 
> remove ALL existing configuration regardless of what is explicitly 
> provided as the replacement.  Is that correct, or is 'replace' meant 
> to have equivalent semantics to 'merge' ie it will only replace 
> configuration when an explicit replacement is provided.  In other 
> words, if the latter case is correct, all it does is remove the 
> requirement to specify the operation in each element of new config.

Yes the latter is correct.  Note that the definition of "replace" as an operation says:

            Unlike a
             operation, which replaces the entire target
            configuration, only the configuration actually present in
            the  parameter is affected.


/martin


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William Ivory  wrote:
> Hi Martin,
> 
> Thanks - I think that the section on 'replace' under
> 'default-operation' could do with being clarified next time the RFC is
> updated then.
> 
> I'd appreciate some further clarification on what exactly ' only the
> configuration actually present in the  parameter is affected'
> means in practice.
> 
> First, the general pattern of examples which use
> 'operation=' is that this command is put in the 'parent'
> element's tag, ie the tag which specifies 'delete' is *not* deleted.

No.  For example:

    
      192.0.2.4
    

will delete the "interface" node with the name "192.0.2.4"

It does NOT keep the "interface" node and just delete the "name" node.

> How then would you delete a top-level container?

 



/martin


> The examples have a
> '' element but in cases where there are multiple top-level nodes,
> some of which are optional in the configuration (ie not presence
> containers), is it possible to delete these nodes?
> 
> Secondly, if I'm correct that the 'delete' operation would only affect
> nodes below the one with the delete operation, is it possible to
> construct an edit-config PDU that would delete all child nodes without
> having to explicitly specify each one?  Or is the only way to achieve
> this either to explicitly specify all config to be removed, or to do a
> copy-config explicitly specifying all config that is not to be
> deleted.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> William
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Bjorklund [mailto:mbj@tail-f.com] 
> Sent: 14 April 2016 09:34
> To: William Ivory 
> Cc: netconf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Netconf] Clarification request for NETCONF edit-config
> default-operation replace
> 
> Hi,
> 
> William Ivory  wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I'd appreciate clarification of how the NETCONF edit-config command 
> > should work with default-operation set to 'replace'.  For the most 
> > part, the edit-config section is clear that config will only be 
> > replaced if explicitly overwritten (ie if you provide replacement 
> > config for given nodes).  However, the section on default-operation is
> > less clear:
> > 
> >          The  parameter is optional, but if provided,
> >          it has one of the following values:
> > 
> >          merge:  The configuration data in the  parameter is
> >             merged with the configuration at the corresponding level in
> >             the target datastore.  This is the default behavior.
> > 
> >          replace:  The configuration data in the  parameter
> >             completely replaces the configuration in the target
> >             datastore.  This is useful for loading previously saved
> >             configuration data.
> > 
> > Specifically, while 'merge' states that merge happesn with 
> > 'configuration as the corresponding level', 'replace' states that is 
> > 'completely replaces' the configuration, suggesting that it will 
> > remove ALL existing configuration regardless of what is explicitly 
> > provided as the replacement.  Is that correct, or is 'replace' meant 
> > to have equivalent semantics to 'merge' ie it will only replace 
> > configuration when an explicit replacement is provided.  In other 
> > words, if the latter case is correct, all it does is remove the 
> > requirement to specify the operation in each element of new config.
> 
> Yes the latter is correct.  Note that the definition of "replace" as
> an operation says:
> 
>             Unlike a
>              operation, which replaces the entire target
>             configuration, only the configuration actually present in
>             the  parameter is affected.
> 
> 
> /martin
> 


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OK - I think it might help if I gave some specific examples, with my understanding of what would get deleted and you can tell me if I'm correct or not.  Apologies for length, but I'd like to avoid any confusion by not spelling out my queries, and I'm struggling to get a clear picture of how this all works with all the different permutations!

Let's take a configuration like this:


    leafValue
    leaflistValueOne
    leaflistValueTwo
    
        firstEntryKey
        firstEntryLeaf
    
    
        secondEntryKey
        secondEntryLeaf
    


---

(a) topCont, default operation delete

With the default operation set to delete:


    


=> topCont, and everything under it, would be deleted

---

(b) topCont, operation delete

With the default operation set to none:


    


=> topCont, and everything under it, would be deleted

---

(c) aLeaf delete, operation specified for topCont

With the default operation set to none:


    
        leafValue


=> Will delete aLeaf node.  If this leaves topCont empty, then topCont would be removed.  If topCont still contains other elements, topCont would remain?

---

(d) aLeaf delete, operation specified for aLeaf

With the default operation set to none:


    
        leafValue


=> Will delete aLeaf node.  If this leaves topCont empty, then topCont would be removed unless it is a presence node.

---

(e) aLeaf delete, operation specified for aLeaf, but no value given

With the default operation set to none:


    
        


=> Would this delete aLeaf, and, as per (d), conditionally , or must the value of the leaf be specified?

---

(f) aLeafListEntry

Is there a way to delete all leaflist entries without specifying them individually, eg:



... or, assuming there are other sibling nodes such that we can't just delete topCont, must I specify each individual leaflist element I wish to remove?

---

(g) aListEntry

As per leaflist entries, is there a way to delete all entries generically, or must each be specified?

Separately, if I delete a non-key node inside a list entry, I assume that just deletes that node.  If I delete the list's key node, then presumably that removes the complete entry, eg:


    
        
            firstEntryKey
        


Would the following achieve the same, ie removal of this list entry:


    
        
            firstEntryKey
        


---

Thanks  for bearing with me,

William

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To: William Ivory 
Cc: netconf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Netconf] Clarification request for NETCONF edit-config default-operation replace

William Ivory  wrote:
> Hi Martin,
> 
> Thanks - I think that the section on 'replace' under 
> 'default-operation' could do with being clarified next time the RFC is 
> updated then.
> 
> I'd appreciate some further clarification on what exactly ' only the 
> configuration actually present in the  parameter is affected'
> means in practice.
> 
> First, the general pattern of examples which use 
> 'operation=' is that this command is put in the 'parent'
> element's tag, ie the tag which specifies 'delete' is *not* deleted.

No.  For example:

    
      192.0.2.4
    

will delete the "interface" node with the name "192.0.2.4"

It does NOT keep the "interface" node and just delete the "name" node.

> How then would you delete a top-level container?

 



/martin


> The examples have a
> '' element but in cases where there are multiple top-level nodes, 
> some of which are optional in the configuration (ie not presence 
> containers), is it possible to delete these nodes?
> 
> Secondly, if I'm correct that the 'delete' operation would only affect 
> nodes below the one with the delete operation, is it possible to 
> construct an edit-config PDU that would delete all child nodes without 
> having to explicitly specify each one?  Or is the only way to achieve 
> this either to explicitly specify all config to be removed, or to do a 
> copy-config explicitly specifying all config that is not to be 
> deleted.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> William
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Bjorklund [mailto:mbj@tail-f.com]
> Sent: 14 April 2016 09:34
> To: William Ivory 
> Cc: netconf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Netconf] Clarification request for NETCONF edit-config 
> default-operation replace
> 
> Hi,
> 
> William Ivory  wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I'd appreciate clarification of how the NETCONF edit-config command 
> > should work with default-operation set to 'replace'.  For the most 
> > part, the edit-config section is clear that config will only be 
> > replaced if explicitly overwritten (ie if you provide replacement 
> > config for given nodes).  However, the section on default-operation 
> > is less clear:
> > 
> >          The  parameter is optional, but if provided,
> >          it has one of the following values:
> > 
> >          merge:  The configuration data in the  parameter is
> >             merged with the configuration at the corresponding level in
> >             the target datastore.  This is the default behavior.
> > 
> >          replace:  The configuration data in the  parameter
> >             completely replaces the configuration in the target
> >             datastore.  This is useful for loading previously saved
> >             configuration data.
> > 
> > Specifically, while 'merge' states that merge happesn with 
> > 'configuration as the corresponding level', 'replace' states that is 
> > 'completely replaces' the configuration, suggesting that it will 
> > remove ALL existing configuration regardless of what is explicitly 
> > provided as the replacement.  Is that correct, or is 'replace' meant 
> > to have equivalent semantics to 'merge' ie it will only replace 
> > configuration when an explicit replacement is provided.  In other 
> > words, if the latter case is correct, all it does is remove the 
> > requirement to specify the operation in each element of new config.
> 
> Yes the latter is correct.  Note that the definition of "replace" as 
> an operation says:
> 
>             Unlike a
>              operation, which replaces the entire target
>             configuration, only the configuration actually present in
>             the  parameter is affected.
> 
> 
> /martin
> 


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William Ivory  wrote:
> OK - I think it might help if I gave some specific examples, with my
> understanding of what would get deleted and you can tell me if I'm
> correct or not.  Apologies for length, but I'd like to avoid any
> confusion by not spelling out my queries, and I'm struggling to get a
> clear picture of how this all works with all the different
> permutations!
> 
> Let's take a configuration like this:
> 
> 
>     leafValue
>     leaflistValueOne
>     leaflistValueTwo
>     
>         firstEntryKey
>         firstEntryLeaf
>     
>     
>         secondEntryKey
>         secondEntryLeaf
>     
> 
> 
> ---
> 
> (a) topCont, default operation delete
> 
> With the default operation set to delete:
> 
> 
>     
> 
> 
> => topCont, and everything under it, would be deleted

Yes.

> (b) topCont, operation delete
> 
> With the default operation set to none:
> 
> 
>     
> 
> 
> => topCont, and everything under it, would be deleted
> 

Yes.

> ---
> 
> (c) aLeaf delete, operation specified for topCont
> 
> With the default operation set to none:
> 
> 
>     
>         leafValue
> 
> 
> => Will delete aLeaf node.  If this leaves topCont empty, then topCont
> would be removed.  If topCont still contains other elements, topCont
> would remain?

No.  This deletes the topCont and everything below it.

> ---
> 
> (d) aLeaf delete, operation specified for aLeaf
> 
> With the default operation set to none:
> 
> 
>     
>         leafValue
> 
> 
> => Will delete aLeaf node.  If this leaves topCont empty, then topCont
> would be removed unless it is a presence node.

Yes  (s/would/may/)

> ---
> 
> (e) aLeaf delete, operation specified for aLeaf, but no value given
> 
> With the default operation set to none:
> 
> 
>     
>         
> 
> 
> => Would this delete aLeaf, and, as per (d), conditionally ,
> or must the value of the leaf be specified?
> 

Yes, this would delete aLeaf.  The value doesn't matter.

> ---
> 
> (f) aLeafListEntry
> 
> Is there a way to delete all leaflist entries without specifying them
> individually, eg:
> 
> 

No


> 
> ... or, assuming there are other sibling nodes such that we can't just
> delete topCont, must I specify each individual leaflist element I wish
> to remove?
> 
> ---
> 
> (g) aListEntry
> 
> As per leaflist entries, is there a way to delete all entries
> generically

No.

>, or must each be specified?

Yes.

> Separately, if I delete a non-key node inside a list entry, I assume
> that just deletes that node.  If I delete the list's key node, then
> presumably that removes the complete entry, eg:
> 
> 
>     
>         
>             firstEntryKey
>         
> 

Yes

> Would the following achieve the same, ie removal of this list entry:
> 
> 
>     
>         
>             firstEntryKey
>         
> 

Hmm.  I would say that this results in an error - deleting
just the key of a list is not possible.



/martin



> 
> ---
> 
> Thanks  for bearing with me,
> 
> William
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Bjorklund [mailto:mbj@tail-f.com] 
> Sent: 15 April 2016 13:44
> To: William Ivory 
> Cc: netconf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Netconf] Clarification request for NETCONF edit-config
> default-operation replace
> 
> William Ivory  wrote:
> > Hi Martin,
> > 
> > Thanks - I think that the section on 'replace' under 
> > 'default-operation' could do with being clarified next time the RFC is
> > updated then.
> > 
> > I'd appreciate some further clarification on what exactly ' only the 
> > configuration actually present in the  parameter is affected'
> > means in practice.
> > 
> > First, the general pattern of examples which use 
> > 'operation=' is that this command is put in the 'parent'
> > element's tag, ie the tag which specifies 'delete' is *not* deleted.
> 
> No.  For example:
> 
>     
>       192.0.2.4
>     
> 
> will delete the "interface" node with the name "192.0.2.4"
> 
> It does NOT keep the "interface" node and just delete the "name" node.
> 
> > How then would you delete a top-level container?
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> /martin
> 
> 
> > The examples have a
> > '' element but in cases where there are multiple top-level nodes,
> > some of which are optional in the configuration (ie not presence 
> > containers), is it possible to delete these nodes?
> > 
> > Secondly, if I'm correct that the 'delete' operation would only affect
> > nodes below the one with the delete operation, is it possible to 
> > construct an edit-config PDU that would delete all child nodes without
> > having to explicitly specify each one?  Or is the only way to achieve 
> > this either to explicitly specify all config to be removed, or to do a
> > copy-config explicitly specifying all config that is not to be 
> > deleted.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > William
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Martin Bjorklund [mailto:mbj@tail-f.com]
> > Sent: 14 April 2016 09:34
> > To: William Ivory 
> > Cc: netconf@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: [Netconf] Clarification request for NETCONF edit-config 
> > default-operation replace
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > William Ivory  wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I'd appreciate clarification of how the NETCONF edit-config command 
> > > should work with default-operation set to 'replace'.  For the most 
> > > part, the edit-config section is clear that config will only be 
> > > replaced if explicitly overwritten (ie if you provide replacement 
> > > config for given nodes).  However, the section on default-operation 
> > > is less clear:
> > > 
> > >          The  parameter is optional, but if provided,
> > >          it has one of the following values:
> > > 
> > >          merge:  The configuration data in the  parameter is
> > >             merged with the configuration at the corresponding level in
> > >             the target datastore.  This is the default behavior.
> > > 
> > >          replace:  The configuration data in the  parameter
> > >             completely replaces the configuration in the target
> > >             datastore.  This is useful for loading previously saved
> > >             configuration data.
> > > 
> > > Specifically, while 'merge' states that merge happesn with 
> > > 'configuration as the corresponding level', 'replace' states that is 
> > > 'completely replaces' the configuration, suggesting that it will 
> > > remove ALL existing configuration regardless of what is explicitly 
> > > provided as the replacement.  Is that correct, or is 'replace' meant 
> > > to have equivalent semantics to 'merge' ie it will only replace 
> > > configuration when an explicit replacement is provided.  In other 
> > > words, if the latter case is correct, all it does is remove the 
> > > requirement to specify the operation in each element of new config.
> > 
> > Yes the latter is correct.  Note that the definition of "replace" as 
> > an operation says:
> > 
> >             Unlike a
> >              operation, which replaces the entire target
> >             configuration, only the configuration actually present in
> >             the  parameter is affected.
> > 
> > 
> > /martin
> > 
> 


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Hi,

I would like to ask for the clarification on why the contents of startup co=
nfiguration datastore cannot be modified by  operation. Althou=
gh the text of the RFC 6241 does not explicitly prohibit it, the ietf-netco=
nf@2011-06-01.yang does not allow startup as the target of the edit-config =
RPC.

The reason why I'm asking this is that we think that we have found a use-ca=
se for this in our project. Details on the project follow.

In sysrepo [1] and Netopeer2 [2] integration project we aim to provide a co=
nvenient API for any Linux applications/daemons to become manageable via NE=
TCONF. To do it, (in the most-basic use-case) they would just need to switc=
h (or amend) the part of the code, where they read their configuration e.g.=
 from text config files to the code that would read it from sysrepo datasto=
re. The issue is, that many Linux daemons are designed to read the config o=
nly by their startup. We thought that for such applications, the best appro=
ach would be to say that they do not support running datastore (their confi=
g never appears in running) and the only way to control them is via modific=
ation of their startup configuration. Sysrepo datastore of course will prov=
ide the API to support changes of the running state of the applications, bu=
t it will be more challenging for the integration into legacy Linux daemons=
. While it is not integrated into some of them, it would be better to have =
only startup config NETCONF support, than no NETCONF support at all.

[1] https://github.com/sysrepo/sysrepo
[2] https://github.com/CESNET/Netopeer2

Thanks,
Rastislav

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Hi,


 


I would like to ask for the clarification on why the=
 contents of startup configuration datastore cannot be modified by <edit=
-config> operation. Although the text of the RFC 6241 does not explicitl=
y prohibit it, the ietf-netconf@2011-06-01.yang
 does not allow startup as the target of the edit-config RPC.

 


The reason why I’m asking this is that we thin=
k that we have found a use-case for this in our project. Details on the pro=
ject follow.


 


In sysrepo [1] and Netopeer2 [2] integration project=
 we aim to provide a convenient API for any Linux applications/daemons to b=
ecome manageable via NETCONF. To do it, (in the most-basic use-case) they w=
ould just need to switch (or amend)
 the part of the code, where they read their configuration e.g. from text c=
onfig files to the code that would read it from sysrepo datastore. The issu=
e is, that many Linux daemons are designed to read the config only by their=
 startup. We thought that for such
 applications, the best approach would be to say that they do not support r=
unning datastore (their config never appears in running) and the only way t=
o control them is via modification of their startup configuration. Sysrepo =
datastore of course will provide
 the API to support changes of the running state of the applications, but i=
t will be more challenging for the integration into legacy Linux daemons. W=
hile it is not integrated into some of them, it would be better to have onl=
y startup config NETCONF support,
 than no NETCONF support at all.


 


[1] h=
ttps://github.com/sysrepo/sysrepo


[2] =
https://github.com/CESNET/Netopeer2


 


Thanks,


Rastislav






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Hi Martin,

To follow up on this 'replace'-specific query (as opposed to my other reply regarding 'delete'), is it correct that with this example YANG:



    leafValue
    leaflistValueOne
    leaflistValueTwo
    
        firstEntryKey
        firstEntryLeaf
    
    
        secondEntryKey
        secondEntryLeaf
    


... then either of the following operations would remove ALL existing configuration under , including any existing list entries and any other nodes (leaves etc), and would only leave the new list entry?

Using default operation 'none':

    
        
            newEntryKey
        
    


Or using default operation 'replace':


    
        
            firstEntryKey
        
    


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Thanks,

William

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From: Martin Bjorklund [mailto:mbj@tail-f.com] 
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Subject: Re: [Netconf] Clarification request for NETCONF edit-config default-operation replace

Hi,

William Ivory  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'd appreciate clarification of how the NETCONF edit-config command 
> should work with default-operation set to 'replace'.  For the most 
> part, the edit-config section is clear that config will only be 
> replaced if explicitly overwritten (ie if you provide replacement 
> config for given nodes).  However, the section on default-operation is 
> less clear:
> 
>          The  parameter is optional, but if provided,
>          it has one of the following values:
> 
>          merge:  The configuration data in the  parameter is
>             merged with the configuration at the corresponding level in
>             the target datastore.  This is the default behavior.
> 
>          replace:  The configuration data in the  parameter
>             completely replaces the configuration in the target
>             datastore.  This is useful for loading previously saved
>             configuration data.
> 
> Specifically, while 'merge' states that merge happesn with 
> 'configuration as the corresponding level', 'replace' states that is 
> 'completely replaces' the configuration, suggesting that it will 
> remove ALL existing configuration regardless of what is explicitly 
> provided as the replacement.  Is that correct, or is 'replace' meant 
> to have equivalent semantics to 'merge' ie it will only replace 
> configuration when an explicit replacement is provided.  In other 
> words, if the latter case is correct, all it does is remove the 
> requirement to specify the operation in each element of new config.

Yes the latter is correct.  Note that the definition of "replace" as an operation says:

            Unlike a
             operation, which replaces the entire target
            configuration, only the configuration actually present in
            the  parameter is affected.


/martin


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Kent Watsen writes:
>   This is before my time, but I would've thought startup would be editable, given
>   that it is lockable...

The basic use case for distinct-startup was IOS, where the startup is
out in flash.  It can be copied but not edited.

>   From: Netconf  on behalf of "Rastislav Szabo -X (raszabo - PANTHEON TECHNOLOGIES at Cisco)" 
>   In sysrepo [1] and Netopeer2 [2] integration project we aim to provide a
>   convenient API for any Linux applications/daemons to become manageable via
>   NETCONF. To do it, (in the most-basic use-case) they would just need to switch
>   (or amend) the part of the code, where they read their configuration e.g. from
>   text config files to the code that would read it from sysrepo datastore. The
>   issue is, that many Linux daemons are designed to read the config only by their
>   startup. We thought that for such applications, the best approach would be to
>   say that they do not support running datastore (their config never appears in
>   running) and the only way to control them is via modification of their startup
>   configuration. Sysrepo datastore of course will provide the API to support
>   changes of the running state of the applications, but it will be more
>   challenging for the integration into legacy Linux daemons. While it is not
>   integrated into some of them, it would be better to have only startup config
>   NETCONF support, than no NETCONF support at all.
>   [1] https://github.com/sysrepo/sysrepo
>   [2] https://github.com/CESNET/Netopeer2

You might want to take a look at how JUNOS handles this.  We're
built on freebsd, not linux, but the basic model holds.  A central
daemon holds all system configuration, and at commit time, writes
each daemon's specific files and HUPs or restarts them as needed.
To the user, it's all completely invisible, integrated under the
covers.

Thanks,
 Phil


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> On Apr 18, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Acee Lindem (acee)  =
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> I did get some negative feedback with respect to adding =E2=80=9Crouting=
-=E2=80=9C to the
> model name since key chains are used for other non-routing =
applications as
> well.=20

One of those non-routing protocols is BFD. I am fine if the model is =
called protocol-key-chain, but I wonder what happens the next entity =
needing key-chain is not a protocol.

The bigger question in my mind is, are these really different types of =
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On Apr 18, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> =
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I did get some negative feedback with respect to =
adding =E2=80=9Crouting-=E2=80=9C to the
model name since key chains are used for other =
non-routing applications as
well. 
One of those non-routing protocols is BFD. I am =
fine if the model is called protocol-key-chain, but I wonder what =
happens the next entity needing key-chain is not a =
protocol.

The bigger question in my =
mind is, are these really different types of key-chains models, or are =
we talking about one key-chain model?



Mahesh Jethanandani
mjethanandani@gmail.com







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Hi,
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> The basic use case for distinct-startup was IOS, where the startup is out=
 in
> flash.  It can be copied but not edited.

Yes, I understand that use case. However, I think that writeable startup wo=
uld fit the use case of generic Unix/Linux OS better than pretending that t=
here is a non-editable startup datastore, since on Unix/Linux system an adm=
inistrator can edit a config file without any immediate effect, which in te=
rms of NETCONF is a partial edit of the startup datastore config. Therefore=
 I think that writeable startup could be considered as an optional feature.

> You might want to take a look at how JUNOS handles this.  We're built on
> freebsd, not linux, but the basic model holds.  A central daemon holds al=
l
> system configuration, and at commit time, writes each daemon's specific f=
iles
> and HUPs or restarts them as needed.
> To the user, it's all completely invisible, integrated under the covers.

Thanks for the info. We have also considered sending of a SIGHUP or restart=
ing of the process, but it brings one issue - you need to be the superuser =
to do that. Sysrepo, however, is designed so that it can work also without =
the daemon (in so-called library mode) to address no-single-point-of-failur=
e needs. If we implemented it this way, edit-config to startup could be uns=
uccessful in library mode access to sysrepo in some cases. But yes, without=
 writeable startup, it seems to be the only way of supporting daemons witho=
ut the ability of changing their state while running.

Thanks,
Rastislav


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Marta

In your first e-mail, you said you were struggling to reconcile RFC6125
and call-home.

"RFC 6125 Section 6.2.1 provides guidance for building your reference
identifiers.  However it recommends to build your reference identifiers
on the DNS-ID.    If I go to
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-call-home-17 Security
section, the reference identifier is defined as the serial number."

I do not read call-home as defining the reference identifier as the
serial number.  It says
"... may be known to only sign IDevID certificates  [Std-802.1AR-2009]
having a unique identifier (e.g., serial  number) "

It is 'may be known' and 'e.g.' which I think is far removed from
defining the reference identifier as the serial number.  I see it as
allowing any reference identifier you like to suit your environment.

When I read this, I think how keen Kent is on serial numbers and so we
have to mention them - I am not keen and would have omitted all
reference to them from the call-home I-D:-)

Likewise RFC6125, for all its appendices, is applicable to Web access
over the public Internet with a powerful server accessed from a
underpowered client, with a human on tap to provide intelligence when
needed with no client authentication (IMO:-).  Of course it uses DNS-ID,
who uses anything else on the Web? but this is unlike any network
management I have done, where underpowered servers are accessed by
powerful clients (NMS 'servers') in the middle of the night with not a
human in sight, over a private network with client authentication
paramount.  So I tend to take RFC6125 with a pinch of salt - it excludes
the use case which I think covers network manaagement.

I think that the underlying philosophy of RFC6125, of knowing in advance
what to expect and checking that you get it in the X.509 Certificate, is
right, but the details wrong, for most use cases (I disagree too on its
wild-carding).  I did make comments on this in course of its
preparation - I lost. In a private network, the organisation might well
issue all its own certificates with whatever it likes by way of unique
identification, only requiring uniqueness within the organisation.
.
Reading your e-mails, my sense is of you reading too much into the
words, of the RFC and I-D.

Note, too, that the call-home I-D has been through all the stages of
IETF review and is only awaiting a final polish from the RFC Editor, so
the only changes at this stage would be to improve the grammar, or
clarity.

Tom Petch

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From: "Marta Seda" 
To: "Kent Watsen" ;

Cc: "max pritikin" ; 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Netconf] draft-ietf-netconf-call-home-17


> Hi, Kent,
> Thanks for clarifying the new text of call-home.  That clarifies that
we dont need to support a new attribute in the subject field called
Serialnumber.  However that still leave open the common name serial
number.  It should be a DN format.  Just incorporating the serial number
in binary, hex, or asci format doesnt represent a DN.  Are you implying
in this response that it is up to the vendor to put any format? (perhaps
integer list is suitable (matching the label)? Just want to clarify it
(have internal discussions within bbf if this is acceptable or not since
there are informal discussions going on about 3rd party PMAs).
>
> CN=11111 (if I understood your email correctly, is an acceptable
format).
>
> Marta
>
> From: Kent Watsen [mailto:kwatsen@juniper.net]
> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 4:19 PM
> To: Marta Seda ;
draft-ietf-netconf-call-home@ietf.org
> Cc: netconf@ietf.org; max pritikin 
> Subject: Re: draft-ietf-netconf-call-home-17
>
> Hi Marta,
>
> My understanding is that the CommonName field is prefixed by other
Subject fields.  For instance, /C=US/ST=CA/L=Sunnyvale/O=Example
Company/CN=, where unique-id might be a serial-number.  So
even though the serial number may not be globally unique, it is unique
when qualified this way.
>
>


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Dear NETCONF WG,

below is the NETCONF WG session summary and AIs after IETF #95.

=3D> This mail is at the same time to verify the discussion result and deci=
sions from the IETF 95 NETCONF session.
=3D> If there is no strong objection we will implement as discussed.

The NETCONF session took place on Thursday, April 7, 2016, from 2-4pm in Bu=
enos Aires, Argentina.

- We had approx. 65+ participants in the 2 hour NETCONF session,
- We reviewed the status of the WG,
- We had a discussion on chartered documents.

- Many thanks to the note takers: Lada Lhotka and Jason Sterne and
Jabber scribe: Mikael Abrahamsson

The session agenda is available at: https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/95/age=
nda/agenda-95-netconf
The minutes of the session are available at: https://www.ietf.org/proceedin=
gs/95/minutes/minutes-95-netconf

Following is a summary of the discussion and the decisions taken per show-h=
ands.

- Status update of the three drafts, RESTCONF, YANG Patch and YANG library.=
 RESTCONF has some minor updates, and the other two drafts are in AD queue.=
 Once the RESTCONF draft update is available, the write-up will be provided=
 to the AD and WG.

- NETCONF YANG Push. The discussion centered around how best to organize th=
e contents of the draft and draft-voit-netconf-restconf-push. There was als=
o some discussion around filtering capability and to see if it could be ext=
ended.
Show hands result is that many are in favor of separating transport into a =
separate draft.

- Server Configuration Model. Discussion centered around keychain model and=
 the need to split it from the configuration draft. There was no objection =
to moving forward on a keychain mechanism for NETCONF instead of preparing =
a universal method.
AI: Kent will bring the discussion on splitting the keychain model from the=
 configuration draft to the mailing list.

- Zero Touch draft. There was some questions around where does zero touch c=
onfiguration stop, and where does NMS take over.
AI: Kent will propose text around what is envisioned to be part of zero tou=
ch configuration.
Kent is planning to have LC in one month and finish the work in 2016.

- 5277bis. Eric Voit positioned the proposed work to be extensions to 5277 =
keeping backward compatibility. Original authors of 5277 Sharon and Hector =
seem to be fine with the arrangement and will be included as co-authors. 52=
77bis will include existing content from 5277 and replace it as RFC. The to=
pic is chartered and the chairs will ask for adoption in a few weeks.
Result of show hands is that many in the room are in favor of the proposed =
extensions to the notification model.

- I2rs co-chair Susan Hares gave an update on i2rs requirements for NETCONF=
. Most of the discussion happened in i2rs.

- RESTCONF YANG push discussion mostly focused around the subject of the or=
ganization of drafts (see NETCONF YANG push above). The proposed names for =
the drafts are netconf-push-transport, restconf-push-transport, and yang-pu=
sh-model. There will be four drafts including 5277bis. Current charter cove=
rs both NC and RC Push.
Show hands result is that many are in favor of having four drafts. Adoption=
 should happen within a few weeks.

Regards,
Mehmet & Mahesh



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Dear NETCONF WG,



 






below is
the
NETCONF WG session summary and AIs after IETF #95.


 


=3D> This mail is at the same time=
 to verify the discussion result and decisions from the IETF 95 NETCONF ses=
sion.


=3D> If there is no strong objecti=
on we will implement as discussed.


 


The NETCONF session took place on Thu=
rsday, April 7, 2016, from 2-4pm in Buenos Aires, Argentina.







 






- We had approx. 65+ participants=
 in the 2 hour NETCONF session,






- We reviewed the status of the WG,






- We had a discussion on chartered do=
cuments.






 






- Many thanks to the note takers: Lad=
a Lhotka and Jason Sterne and



Jabber scribe: Mikael Abrahamsson






 







The minutes of the session are availa=
ble at:
=
https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/95/minutes/m=
inutes-95-netconf


 






Following is a summary of the discuss=
ion and the decisions taken per show-hands.




 


- Status update of the three drafts, =
RESTCONF, YANG Patch and YANG library. RESTCONF has some minor updates, and=
 the other two drafts are in AD queue. Once the
 RESTCONF draft update is available, the write-up will be provided to the A=
D and WG.


 


- NETCONF YANG Push. The discussion c=
entered around how best to organize the contents of the draft and draft-voi=
t-netconf-restconf-push. There was also some discussion
 around filtering capability and to see if it could be extended.=



Show hands result is that many are in=
 favor of separating transport into a separate draft.


 


- Server Configuration Model. Discuss=
ion centered around keychain model and the need to split it from the config=
uration draft. There was no objection to moving
 forward on a keychain mechanism for NETCONF instead of preparing a univers=
al method.



AI: Kent will bring the discussion on=
 splitting the keychain model from the configuration draft to the mailing l=
ist.


 


- Zero Touch draft. There was some qu=
estions around where does zero touch configuration stop, and where does NMS=
 take over.



AI: Kent will propose text around wha=
t is envisioned to be part of zero touch configuration.



Kent is planning to have LC in one mo=
nth and finish the work in 2016.


 


- 5277bis. Eric Voit positioned the p=
roposed work to be extensions to 5277 keeping backward compatibility. Origi=
nal authors of 5277 Sharon and Hector seem to
 be fine with the arrangement and will be included as co-authors. 5277bis w=
ill include existing content from 5277 and replace it as RFC. The topic is =
chartered and the chairs will ask for adoption in a few weeks.



Result of show hands is that many in =
the room are in favor of the proposed extensions to the notification model.=



 


- I2rs co-chair Susan Hares gave an u=
pdate on i2rs requirements for NETCONF. Most of the discussion happened in =
i2rs.


 


- RESTCONF YANG push discussion mostl=
y focused around the subject of the organization of drafts (see NETCONF YAN=
G push above). The proposed names for the drafts
 are netconf-push-transport, restconf-push-transport, and yang-push-model. =
There will be four drafts including 5277bis. Current charter covers both NC=
 and RC Push.



Show hands result is that many are in=
 favor of having four drafts. Adoption should happen within a few weeks.




 






Regards,


Mehmet & Mahesh 






 






 








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Dear Authors and Contributors of RESTCONF Draft,
Dear WG Members,

please state on the maillist clearly whether you own or are aware of any IP=
R that applies to draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-12.txt.
For the opposite case, please state also on the maillist clearly if you don=
't own or are not aware of any IPR that applies to the draft-ietf-netconf-r=
estconf.

If you own or are aware of any IPR that applies to the draft-ietf-netconf-r=
estconf please clarify whether
this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4=
879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
If not please do so asap.

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you are aware of any relevant IPR. The document will not advance to the nex=
t stage until a response has been received from _each author and contributo=
r_.

If you are not listed as an author or contributor but are on NETCONF WG mai=
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not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

Thank you for kind support.

Regards,
Mehmet & Mahesh


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Dear Authors and Contributors of REST=
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Dear WG Members,

 


please state on the maillist clearly =
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restconf-12.txt.


For the opposite case, please state a=
lso on the maillist clearly if you don’t own or are not aware of any =
IPR that applies to the draft-ietf-netconf-restconf.


 


If you own or are aware of any IPR th=
at applies to the draft-ietf-netconf-restconf please clarify whether



this IPR been disclosed in compliance=
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If you are listed as a document autho=
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please respond to this email ON NETCONF MAILLIST expl=
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document will not advance to the next stage
 until a response has been received from _each author
and contributor_.


 


If you are not listed as an author or=
 contributor but are on NETCONF WG maillist, then please explicitly respond=
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 been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.


 


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Hi,

I am not aware of any IPR related to this draft.


Andy


On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich) <
mehmet.ersue@nokia.com> wrote:

> Dear Authors and Contributors of RESTCONF Draft,
>
> Dear WG Members,
>
>
>
> please state on the maillist clearly whether you own or are aware of any
> IPR that applies to draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-12.txt.
>
> For the opposite case, please state also on the maillist clearly if you
> don=E2=80=99t own or are not aware of any IPR that applies to the
> draft-ietf-netconf-restconf.
>
>
>
> If you own or are aware of any IPR that applies to the
> draft-ietf-netconf-restconf please clarify whether
>
> this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979,
> 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
>
> If not please do so asap.
>
>
>
> If you are listed as a document author or contributor (CCed) please
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r
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o
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d
> contributor*_.
>
>
>
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> maillist, then please explicitly respond if you are aware of any IPR that
> has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
>
>
>
> Thank you for kind support.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Mehmet & Mahesh
>
>
>

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Hi,

I am not aware of any IPR related t=
o this draft.


Andy


On Sun,=
 Apr 24, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich) <mehmet.e=
rsue@nokia.com> wrote:











Dear Authors and Contributors of REST=
CONF Draft,


Dear WG Members,=



=C2=A0


please state on the maillist clearly =
whether you own or are aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-netconf-=
restconf-12.txt.


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lso on the maillist clearly if you don=E2=80=99t own or are not aware of an=
y IPR that applies to the draft-ietf-netconf-restconf.=



=C2=A0


If you own or are aware of any IPR th=
at applies to the draft-ietf-netconf-restconf please clarify whether



this IPR been disclosed in compliance=
 with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).=



If not please do so asap.


=C2=A0


If you are listed as a document autho=
r or contributor (CCed)
please respond to this email ON NETCONF MAILLIST expl=
icitly regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The =
document will not advance to the next stage
 until a response has been received from _each author
and contributor_.=



=C2=A0


If you are not listed as an author or=
 contributor but are on NETCONF WG maillist, then please explicitly respond=
 if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet
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=C2=A0


Thank you for kind support.=





=C2=A0


Regards,


Mehmet & Mahesh






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Hi,

I am not aware of any IPR related to this draft.

Lada

> On 24 Apr 2016, at 23:49, Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich) =
 wrote:
>=20
> Dear Authors and Contributors of RESTCONF Draft,
> Dear WG Members,
> =20
> please state on the maillist clearly whether you own or are aware of =
any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-12.txt.
> For the opposite case, please state also on the maillist clearly if =
you don=E2=80=99t own or are not aware of any IPR that applies to the =
draft-ietf-netconf-restconf.
> =20
> If you own or are aware of any IPR that applies to the =
draft-ietf-netconf-restconf please clarify whether
> this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs =
3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
> If not please do so asap.
> =20
> If you are listed as a document author or contributor (CCed) please =
respond to this email ON NETCONF MAILLIST explicitly regardless of =
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> =20
> If you are not listed as an author or contributor but are on NETCONF =
WG maillist, then please explicitly respond if you are aware of any IPR =
that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
> =20
> Thank you for kind support.
> =20
> Regards,
> Mehmet & Mahesh

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Hi,

I am not aware of any IPR related to this draft.


/martin

"Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich)"  wrote:
> Dear Authors and Contributors of RESTCONF Draft,
> Dear WG Members,
> 
> please state on the maillist clearly whether you own or are aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-12.txt.
> For the opposite case, please state also on the maillist clearly if you don't own or are not aware of any IPR that applies to the draft-ietf-netconf-restconf.
> 
> If you own or are aware of any IPR that applies to the draft-ietf-netconf-restconf please clarify whether
> this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
> If not please do so asap.
> 
> If you are listed as a document author or contributor (CCed) please respond to this email ON NETCONF MAILLIST explicitly regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from _each author and contributor_.
> 
> If you are not listed as an author or contributor but are on NETCONF WG maillist, then please explicitly respond if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
> 
> Thank you for kind support.
> 
> Regards,
> Mehmet & Mahesh
> 


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Hi,

I am not aware of any IPR related to this draft.

Rob


On 24/04/2016 22:49, Ersue, Mehmet (Nokia - DE/Munich) wrote:
>
> Dear Authors and Contributors of RESTCONF Draft,
>
> Dear WG Members,
>
> please state on the maillist clearly whether you own or are aware of 
> any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-12.txt.
>
> For the opposite case, please state also on the maillist clearly if 
> you don’t own or are not aware of any IPR that applies to the 
> draft-ietf-netconf-restconf.
>
> If you own or are aware of any IPR that applies to the 
> draft-ietf-netconf-restconf please clarify whether
>
> this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 
> 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
>
> If not please do so asap.
>
> If you are listed as a document author or contributor (CCed)please 
> respond to this email ON NETCONF MAILLIST explicitly regardless of 
> whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The document will 
> not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from 
> _/each author////and contributor/_.
>
> If you are not listed as an author or contributor but are on NETCONF 
> WG maillist, then please explicitly respond if you are aware of any 
> IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
>
> Thank you for kind support.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mehmet & Mahesh
>


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    Hi,
    


    

    
I am not aware of any IPR related to this draft.

      

      Rob

    

    

    

    
On 24/04/2016 22:49, Ersue, Mehmet
      (Nokia - DE/Munich) wrote:

    

    

      
      
      
      

        
Dear
            Authors and Contributors of RESTCONF Draft,

        
Dear
            WG Members,

        
 

        
please
            state on the maillist clearly whether you own or are aware
            of any IPR that applies to
            draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-12.txt.

        
For
            the opposite case, please state also on the maillist clearly
            if you don’t own or are not aware of any IPR that applies to
            the draft-ietf-netconf-restconf.

        
 

        
If
            you own or are aware of any IPR that applies to the
            draft-ietf-netconf-restconf please clarify whether
            

        
this
            IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see
            RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

        
If
            not please do so asap.

        
 

        
If
            you are listed as a document author or contributor (CCed)
          please
            respond to this email ON NETCONF MAILLIST explicitly
            regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant
            IPR. The document will not advance to the next stage until a
            response has been received from _each author
            and
              contributor_.

        
 

        
If
            you are not listed as an author or contributor but are on
            NETCONF WG maillist, then please explicitly respond if you
            are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in
            conformance with IETF rules.

        
 

        
Thank
            you for kind support.

        

          
 

          
Regards,

          
Mehmet
              & Mahesh

        

        

          
 

        

      

    

    

  


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Hello,
RFC 6536 states:
"Configuration of access control rules specifically for descendant nodes 
of the notification event type element are outside the scope of this 
document."

draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push-02 states:
"A push update notification contains several parameters:

- A data node that contains a representation of the datastore subtree 
containing the updates. The subtree is filtered per access control rules 
to contain only data that the subscriber is authorized to see."

IMHO these to contradict. Will we update RFC6536? We should.
regards Balazs

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On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Balazs Lengyel  wrote:

> Hello,
> RFC 6536 states:
> "Configuration of access control rules specifically for descendant nodes
> of the notification event type element are outside the scope of this
> document."
>
> draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push-02 states:
> "A push update notification contains several parameters:
>
> - A data node that contains a representation of the datastore subtree
> containing the updates. The subtree is filtered per access control rules to
> contain only data that the subscriber is authorized to see."
>
> IMHO these to contradict. Will we update RFC6536? We should.
>



The reason NACM only supports limited processing of notifications is to
make it easier to implement with high performance.  There was consensus
that fine-grained access control was not needed for notifications or RPC
parameters.

IMO the access control for YANG push should be simple, and it should
be checked at subscribe-time.  The receiver must have read permission
for the subscribed node and all descendants or the subscription request is
rejected.

If the NACM config changes so that complete subtree read permission is no
longer true,
then the subscription is dropped by the server.


regards Balazs
>
>

Andy


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> Senior Specialist
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On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Balazs Lengyel <<=
a href=3D"mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com" target=3D"_blank">balazs.leng=
yel@ericsson.com> wrote:
He=
llo,

RFC 6536 states:

"Configuration of access control rules specifically for descendant nod=
es of the notification event type element are outside the scope of this doc=
ument."



draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push-02 states:

"A push update notification contains several parameters:



- A data node that contains a representation of the datastore subtree conta=
ining the updates. The subtree is filtered per access control rules to cont=
ain only data that the subscriber is authorized to see."



IMHO these to contradict. Will we update RFC6536? We should.



The reason NACM only su=
pports limited processing of notifications is to
make it easier t=
o implement with high performance.=C2=A0 There was consensus
that=
 fine-grained access control was not needed for notifications or RPC parame=
ters.

IMO the access control for YANG push should =
be simple, and it should
be checked at subscribe-time.=C2=A0 The =
receiver must have read permission
for the subscribed node and al=
l descendants or the subscription request is rejected.

=

If the NACM config changes so that complete subtree read permission is=
 no longer true,
then the subscription is dropped by the server.<=
/div>



regards Balazs




Andy
=C2=A0

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Kent Watsen  wrote:
> 
> We discussed splitting the server-model draft into several drafts at
> the IETF 95 in in Bueno Aires.  At that meeting, there was
> overwhelming support to adopt "Proposal #2" as follows:
> 
>     draft-ietf-netconf-system-keychain
>     draft-ietf-netconf-ssh-client-server
>     draft-ietf-netconf-tls-client-server
>     draft-ietf-restconf-tls-client-server

It is not entirely clear which modules would go into which drafts.

I think the functionality we define is:

  o  generic system keychain 
  o  generic ssh client (grouping)
  o  generic ssh server (grouping)
  o  generic tls client (grouping)
  o  generic tls server (grouping)
  o  netconf server model (using the generic modules above)
  o  restconf server model (using the generic modules above)

In terms of YANG modules it makes sense to have:

  ietf-system-keychain
  ietf-ssh-client-server
  ietf-tls-client-server
  ietf-netconf-server
  ietf-restconf-server

I can think of several reasonable ways to combine these into
documents.  The simplest might be:

  o  document for ietf-system-keychain
  o  document for ietf-ssh-client-server + ietf-tls-client-server
  o  document for ietf-netconf-server + ietf-restconf-server

... or one document per module, or somewhere inbetween.


/martin



> 
> This email is to confirm that decision here on the mailing list.  If
> this decision is confirmed, we will remove the current draft as a WG
> item, and add the four drafts listed above - a total of +3 new WG
> drafts.  Please voice any concerns or objections before Wednesday May
> 11th.
> 
> For completeness, all the proposals discussed at the meeting follow:
> 
> Proposal #0:
>     Do nothing
> 
> Proposal #1:
>     draft-ietf-netconf-system-keychain
>     draft-ietf-netconf-ssh-client
>     draft-ietf-netconf-ssh-server
>     draft-ietf-netconf-tls-client
>     draft-ietf-netconf-tls-server
>     draft-ietf-restconf-tls-client
>     draft-ietf-restconf-tls-server
> 
> Proposal #2:
>     draft-ietf-netconf-system-keychain
>     draft-ietf-netconf-ssh-client-server
>     draft-ietf-netconf-tls-client-server
>     draft-ietf-restconf-tls-client-server
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Kent
> 


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Do we have a clear understanding what the problem is we are trying to
solve with splitting things into several small pieces?

/js

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 10:02:26AM +0200, Martin Bjorklund wrote:
> Kent Watsen  wrote:
> > 
> > We discussed splitting the server-model draft into several drafts at
> > the IETF 95 in in Bueno Aires.  At that meeting, there was
> > overwhelming support to adopt "Proposal #2" as follows:
> > 
> >     draft-ietf-netconf-system-keychain
> >     draft-ietf-netconf-ssh-client-server
> >     draft-ietf-netconf-tls-client-server
> >     draft-ietf-restconf-tls-client-server
> 
> It is not entirely clear which modules would go into which drafts.
> 
> I think the functionality we define is:
> 
>   o  generic system keychain 
>   o  generic ssh client (grouping)
>   o  generic ssh server (grouping)
>   o  generic tls client (grouping)
>   o  generic tls server (grouping)
>   o  netconf server model (using the generic modules above)
>   o  restconf server model (using the generic modules above)
> 
> In terms of YANG modules it makes sense to have:
> 
>   ietf-system-keychain
>   ietf-ssh-client-server
>   ietf-tls-client-server
>   ietf-netconf-server
>   ietf-restconf-server
> 
> I can think of several reasonable ways to combine these into
> documents.  The simplest might be:
> 
>   o  document for ietf-system-keychain
>   o  document for ietf-ssh-client-server + ietf-tls-client-server
>   o  document for ietf-netconf-server + ietf-restconf-server
> 
> ... or one document per module, or somewhere inbetween.
> 
> 
> /martin
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > This email is to confirm that decision here on the mailing list.  If
> > this decision is confirmed, we will remove the current draft as a WG
> > item, and add the four drafts listed above - a total of +3 new WG
> > drafts.  Please voice any concerns or objections before Wednesday May
> > 11th.
> > 
> > For completeness, all the proposals discussed at the meeting follow:
> > 
> > Proposal #0:
> >     Do nothing
> > 
> > Proposal #1:
> >     draft-ietf-netconf-system-keychain
> >     draft-ietf-netconf-ssh-client
> >     draft-ietf-netconf-ssh-server
> >     draft-ietf-netconf-tls-client
> >     draft-ietf-netconf-tls-server
> >     draft-ietf-restconf-tls-client
> >     draft-ietf-restconf-tls-server
> > 
> > Proposal #2:
> >     draft-ietf-netconf-system-keychain
> >     draft-ietf-netconf-ssh-client-server
> >     draft-ietf-netconf-tls-client-server
> >     draft-ietf-restconf-tls-client-server
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Kent
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Netconf mailing list
> Netconf@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf

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Juergen Schoenwaelder  wrote:
> Do we have a clear understanding what the problem is we are trying to
> solve with splitting things into several small pieces?

Are you talking about the YANG modules or documents?

I think it makese sense to split the modules so that generic stuff
that we believe is usable for many other technologies are in separate
modules than the specific netconf/restconf server models.

As for the number of documents, it is probably more subjective; it is
easier to grasp a smaller document that focues on one thing.


/martin


> 
> /js
> 
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 10:02:26AM +0200, Martin Bjorklund wrote:
> > Kent Watsen  wrote:
> > > 
> > > We discussed splitting the server-model draft into several drafts at
> > > the IETF 95 in in Bueno Aires.  At that meeting, there was
> > > overwhelming support to adopt "Proposal #2" as follows:
> > > 
> > >     draft-ietf-netconf-system-keychain
> > >     draft-ietf-netconf-ssh-client-server
> > >     draft-ietf-netconf-tls-client-server
> > >     draft-ietf-restconf-tls-client-server
> > 
> > It is not entirely clear which modules would go into which drafts.
> > 
> > I think the functionality we define is:
> > 
> >   o  generic system keychain 
> >   o  generic ssh client (grouping)
> >   o  generic ssh server (grouping)
> >   o  generic tls client (grouping)
> >   o  generic tls server (grouping)
> >   o  netconf server model (using the generic modules above)
> >   o  restconf server model (using the generic modules above)
> > 
> > In terms of YANG modules it makes sense to have:
> > 
> >   ietf-system-keychain
> >   ietf-ssh-client-server
> >   ietf-tls-client-server
> >   ietf-netconf-server
> >   ietf-restconf-server
> > 
> > I can think of several reasonable ways to combine these into
> > documents.  The simplest might be:
> > 
> >   o  document for ietf-system-keychain
> >   o  document for ietf-ssh-client-server + ietf-tls-client-server
> >   o  document for ietf-netconf-server + ietf-restconf-server
> > 
> > ... or one document per module, or somewhere inbetween.
> > 
> > 
> > /martin
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > This email is to confirm that decision here on the mailing list.  If
> > > this decision is confirmed, we will remove the current draft as a WG
> > > item, and add the four drafts listed above - a total of +3 new WG
> > > drafts.  Please voice any concerns or objections before Wednesday May
> > > 11th.
> > > 
> > > For completeness, all the proposals discussed at the meeting follow:
> > > 
> > > Proposal #0:
> > >     Do nothing
> > > 
> > > Proposal #1:
> > >     draft-ietf-netconf-system-keychain
> > >     draft-ietf-netconf-ssh-client
> > >     draft-ietf-netconf-ssh-server
> > >     draft-ietf-netconf-tls-client
> > >     draft-ietf-netconf-tls-server
> > >     draft-ietf-restconf-tls-client
> > >     draft-ietf-restconf-tls-server
> > > 
> > > Proposal #2:
> > >     draft-ietf-netconf-system-keychain
> > >     draft-ietf-netconf-ssh-client-server
> > >     draft-ietf-netconf-tls-client-server
> > >     draft-ietf-restconf-tls-client-server
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > Kent
> > > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Netconf mailing list
> > Netconf@ietf.org
> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf
> 
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On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 10:21:16AM +0200, Martin Bjorklund wrote:
> Juergen Schoenwaelder  wrote:
> > Do we have a clear understanding what the problem is we are trying to
> > solve with splitting things into several small pieces?
> 
> Are you talking about the YANG modules or documents?
> 
> I think it makese sense to split the modules so that generic stuff
> that we believe is usable for many other technologies are in separate
> modules than the specific netconf/restconf server models.

Yes, modularity is generally a good idea.
 
> As for the number of documents, it is probably more subjective; it is
> easier to grasp a smaller document that focues on one thing.

Yes, but there is also overhead in maintaining consistency across
douments, there is overhead in the IETF processes, and for the reader
in having to assemble bits and pieces from multiple documents mentally
back together.

I guess I should listen to the IETF recordings to understand what has
been driving this discussion so I am better informed.

/js

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Subject: Re: [Netconf] Confirming the decision to split the server-model draft into several drafts.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Bjorklund" 
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Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 9:21 AM
> Juergen Schoenwaelder  wrote:
> > Do we have a clear understanding what the problem is we are trying
to
> > solve with splitting things into several small pieces?
>
> Are you talking about the YANG modules or documents?
>
> I think it makese sense to split the modules so that generic stuff
> that we believe is usable for many other technologies are in separate
> modules than the specific netconf/restconf server models.
>
> As for the number of documents, it is probably more subjective; it is
> easier to grasp a smaller document that focues on one thing.

Depends.  I think that the principles are easy, their application less
so.

I think it no coincidence how many things are hierarchical - YANG, SMI,
... - it makes them easier to understand; whereas meshes are more
difficult, and I mean meshes in a very general sense, not just in terms
of YANG statements that reference other parts of a module or other
modules.  If I come to a section that gives the details of how to derive
a user name from a certificate, which is self-contained, I can skip over
it and drill down into the detail when I need to later; but if the
section is conditional on the context, SSH, TLS, HTTP, RESTCONF etc or
other parts are themselves conditional on the parts of such
authentication, and I have to disentangle the cases, with references to
other material, then that is complex.

And it depends on the reader.  If they are implementing only RESTCONF
with no call home, then they want a document with only RESTCONF, and do
not want to have to visit other documents to understand other aspects of
authentication or access control or  ... whereas if they are looking at
the security, then they want all the authentication, and may be access
control, together, regardless of whether it is certificate, host key,
PAKE etc.

I think that the coverage of key-chain in the current I-D illustrates
the problem.   It comes first, but do I have to understand its17 pages
in order to understand an SSH server, or can I leave it as a
self-contained high-level function to come back to later?  If the
latter, then move it to a separate I-D, if not, then do not, but from
this I-D, as it stands, I cannot tell.
(draft-ietf-rtgwg-yang-key-chain-02.txt is better in this regard but
still tends to be written for key-chain experts rather then being
something whose interest to me I can judge from Abstract and
Introduction).

Tom Petch

>
> /martin
>
> > /js
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 10:02:26AM +0200, Martin Bjorklund wrote:
> > > Kent Watsen  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > We discussed splitting the server-model draft into several
drafts at
> > > > the IETF 95 in in Bueno Aires.  At that meeting, there was
> > > > overwhelming support to adopt "Proposal #2" as follows:
> > > >
> > > >     draft-ietf-netconf-system-keychain
> > > >     draft-ietf-netconf-ssh-client-server
> > > >     draft-ietf-netconf-tls-client-server
> > > >     draft-ietf-restconf-tls-client-server
> > >
> > > It is not entirely clear which modules would go into which drafts.
> > >
> > > I think the functionality we define is:
> > >
> > >   o  generic system keychain
> > >   o  generic ssh client (grouping)
> > >   o  generic ssh server (grouping)
> > >   o  generic tls client (grouping)
> > >   o  generic tls server (grouping)
> > >   o  netconf server model (using the generic modules above)
> > >   o  restconf server model (using the generic modules above)
> > >
> > > In terms of YANG modules it makes sense to have:
> > >
> > >   ietf-system-keychain
> > >   ietf-ssh-client-server
> > >   ietf-tls-client-server
> > >   ietf-netconf-server
> > >   ietf-restconf-server
> > >
> > > I can think of several reasonable ways to combine these into
> > > documents.  The simplest might be:
> > >
> > >   o  document for ietf-system-keychain
> > >   o  document for ietf-ssh-client-server + ietf-tls-client-server
> > >   o  document for ietf-netconf-server + ietf-restconf-server
> > >
> > > ... or one document per module, or somewhere inbetween.
> > >
> > >
> > > /martin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > This email is to confirm that decision here on the mailing list.
If
> > > > this decision is confirmed, we will remove the current draft as
a WG
> > > > item, and add the four drafts listed above - a total of +3 new
WG
> > > > drafts.  Please voice any concerns or objections before
Wednesday May
> > > > 11th.
> > > >
> > > > For completeness, all the proposals discussed at the meeting
follow:
> > > >
> > > > Proposal #0:
> > > >     Do nothing
> > > >
> > > > Proposal #1:
> > > >     draft-ietf-netconf-system-keychain
> > > >     draft-ietf-netconf-ssh-client
> > > >     draft-ietf-netconf-ssh-server
> > > >     draft-ietf-netconf-tls-client
> > > >     draft-ietf-netconf-tls-server
> > > >     draft-ietf-restconf-tls-client
> > > >     draft-ietf-restconf-tls-server
> > > >
> > > > Proposal #2:
> > > >     draft-ietf-netconf-system-keychain
> > > >     draft-ietf-netconf-ssh-client-server
> > > >     draft-ietf-netconf-tls-client-server
> > > >     draft-ietf-restconf-tls-client-server
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Kent
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Netconf mailing list
> > > Netconf@ietf.org
> > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf
> >
> > --
> > Juergen Schoenwaelder           Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH
> > Phone: +49 421 200 3587         Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen |
Germany
> > Fax:   +49 421 200 3103         
> >
>
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On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 8:49 AM, Kent Watsen  wrote:

>
> To answer so of the questions posted here:
>
> The motivation is to have well-defined RFCs that make good referenceable
> targets for future work.  In particular, there may be other transports
> besides SSH and TLS, or there may be other high-level protocols that use
> these two transports.
>
> Regarding the intention of which modules would be in which drafts, I just
> realized that a made a mistake before, also in the slides presented in BA.
> Below is correct, there's actually five drafts (not four) having the
> following YANG modules:
>
>
There is currently 1 draft (draft-ietf-netconf-server-model-09) correct?


>     draft-ietf-netconf-system-keychain
>         - ietf-system-keychain  // this we have already today
>
>     draft-ietf-netconf-ssh-client-server
>         - ietf-ssh-client  // this would be added
>         - ietf-ssh-server  // this we have already today
>
>     draft-ietf-netconf-tls-client-server
>         - ietf-tls-client  // this would be added
>         - ietf-tls-server  // this we have already today
>
>
>     draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-client-server
>
>         - ietf-netconf-client  // this would be added
>         - ietf-netconf-server  // this we have already today
>
>
>     draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-client-server
>         - ietf-restconf-client  // this would be added
>         - ietf-restconf-server  // this we have already today
>
>

Looking over the current draft, it seems like 3 RFCs would be more
intuitive:

   - keychain
   - NETCONF server
   - RESTCONF server

IMO lumping TLS and SSH together does not imply that the RFC needs
to be updated later to add new transports.  They can be added as needed
via augments.

The 5 module split is not easy to follow.  It is not easy to
see how the modules relate to each other.  Going to a 9 module
split spread over 5 RFCs would probably be impossible to read.

I am not sure what is in each of the "client" modules.
IMO we should have a virtual interim on server-model-09,
before you start refactoring.


Andy


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On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 8:49 AM, Kent Watsen <kwatsen@juniper.net> wrote:


To answer so of the questions posted here:



The motivation is to have well-defined RFCs that make good referenceable ta=
rgets for future work.=C2=A0 In particular, there may be other transports b=
esides SSH and TLS, or there may be other high-level protocols that use the=
se two transports.



Regarding the intention of which modules would be in which drafts, I just r=
ealized that a made a mistake before, also in the slides presented in BA.=
=C2=A0 Below is correct, there's actually five drafts (not four) having=
 the following YANG modules:



There is currently 1 draft (draft-ietf=
-netconf-server-model-09) correct?
=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 draft-ietf-netconf-system-keychain

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - ietf-system-keychain=C2=A0 // this we have al=
ready today



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 draft-ietf-netconf-ssh-client-server

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - ietf-ssh-client=C2=A0 // this would be added<=
br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - ietf-ssh-server=C2=A0 // this we have already=
 today



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 draft-ietf-netconf-tls-client-server

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - ietf-tls-client=C2=A0 // this would be added<=
br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - ietf-tls-server=C2=A0 // this we have already=
 today





=C2=A0 =C2=A0 draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-client-server



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - ietf-netconf-client=C2=A0 // this would be ad=
ded

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - ietf-netconf-server=C2=A0 // this we have alr=
eady today





=C2=A0 =C2=A0 draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-client-server

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - ietf-restconf-client=C2=A0 // this would be a=
dded

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - ietf-restconf-server=C2=A0 // this we have al=
ready today




Looking over the curren=
t draft, it seems like 3 RFCs would be more intuitive:

=

=C2=A0 =C2=A0- keychain
=C2=A0 =C2=A0- NETCONF server
<=
div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0- RESTCONF server









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Is there no way to delete the entire contents of the datastore without havi=
ng to explicitly list every single top level node ?

e.g.
with no default operation (i.e. merge):


Or
With default operation =3D delete:


Similarly -> Is there no way to replace the entire contents of the datastor=
e ?

About the cases below shouldn't (c) and (d) return an error ?  They contain=
 data for an object that is being deleted.  (e) seems like the correct way =
to do it.

(f) and (g) surprise me.  If I can  an entire leaf-list or list=
 by just specifying the tag for the leaf-list/list name, why doesn't delete=
 get rid of the entire leaf-list/list ?
(if you specify a specific list entry/member in a delete it is basically ju=
st a content match node but otherwise you've selected the entire list no ?)=
.

Jason

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nd
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 10:49
To: wivory@Brocade.com
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Subject: Re: [Netconf] Clarification request for NETCONF edit-config defaul=
t-operation replace

William Ivory  wrote:
> OK - I think it might help if I gave some specific examples, with my=20
> understanding of what would get deleted and you can tell me if I'm=20
> correct or not.  Apologies for length, but I'd like to avoid any=20
> confusion by not spelling out my queries, and I'm struggling to get a=20
> clear picture of how this all works with all the different=20
> permutations!
>=20
> Let's take a configuration like this:
>=20
> 
>     leafValue
>     leaflistValueOne
>     leaflistValueTwo
>     
>         firstEntryKey
>         firstEntryLeaf
>     
>     
>         secondEntryKey
>         secondEntryLeaf
>     
> 
>=20
> ---
>=20
> (a) topCont, default operation delete
>=20
> With the default operation set to delete:
>=20
> 
>     
> 
>=20
> =3D> topCont, and everything under it, would be deleted

Yes.

> (b) topCont, operation delete
>=20
> With the default operation set to none:
>=20
> 
>     
> 
>=20
> =3D> topCont, and everything under it, would be deleted
>=20

Yes.

> ---
>=20
> (c) aLeaf delete, operation specified for topCont
>=20
> With the default operation set to none:
>=20
> 
>     
>         leafValue
> 
>=20
> =3D> Will delete aLeaf node.  If this leaves topCont empty, then topCont=
=20
> would be removed.  If topCont still contains other elements, topCont=20
> would remain?

No.  This deletes the topCont and everything below it.

> ---
>=20
> (d) aLeaf delete, operation specified for aLeaf
>=20
> With the default operation set to none:
>=20
> 
>     
>         leafValue
> 
>=20
> =3D> Will delete aLeaf node.  If this leaves topCont empty, then topCont=
=20
> would be removed unless it is a presence node.

Yes  (s/would/may/)

> ---
>=20
> (e) aLeaf delete, operation specified for aLeaf, but no value given
>=20
> With the default operation set to none:
>=20
> 
>     
>         
> 
>=20
> =3D> Would this delete aLeaf, and, as per (d), conditionally ,=20
> or must the value of the leaf be specified?
>=20

Yes, this would delete aLeaf.  The value doesn't matter.

> ---
>=20
> (f) aLeafListEntry
>=20
> Is there a way to delete all leaflist entries without specifying them=20
> individually, eg:
>=20
> 

No


>=20
> ... or, assuming there are other sibling nodes such that we can't just=20
> delete topCont, must I specify each individual leaflist element I wish=20
> to remove?
>=20
> ---
>=20
> (g) aListEntry
>=20
> As per leaflist entries, is there a way to delete all entries=20
> generically

No.

>, or must each be specified?

Yes.

> Separately, if I delete a non-key node inside a list entry, I assume=20
> that just deletes that node.  If I delete the list's key node, then=20
> presumably that removes the complete entry, eg:
>=20
> 
>     
>         
>             firstEntryKey
>         
> 

Yes

> Would the following achieve the same, ie removal of this list entry:
>=20
> 
>     
>         
>             firstEntryKey
>         
> 

Hmm.  I would say that this results in an error - deleting just the key of =
a list is not possible.



/martin



>=20
> ---
>=20
> Thanks  for bearing with me,
>=20
> William
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Bjorklund [mailto:mbj@tail-f.com]
> Sent: 15 April 2016 13:44
> To: William Ivory 
> Cc: netconf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Netconf] Clarification request for NETCONF edit-config=20
> default-operation replace
>=20
> William Ivory  wrote:
> > Hi Martin,
> >=20
> > Thanks - I think that the section on 'replace' under=20
> > 'default-operation' could do with being clarified next time the RFC=20
> > is updated then.
> >=20
> > I'd appreciate some further clarification on what exactly ' only the=20
> > configuration actually present in the  parameter is affected'
> > means in practice.
> >=20
> > First, the general pattern of examples which use=20
> > 'operation=3D' is that this command is put in the 'parent'
> > element's tag, ie the tag which specifies 'delete' is *not* deleted.
>=20
> No.  For example:
>=20
>     
>       192.0.2.4
>     
>=20
> will delete the "interface" node with the name "192.0.2.4"
>=20
> It does NOT keep the "interface" node and just delete the "name" node.
>=20
> > How then would you delete a top-level container?
>=20
>  
>=20
>=20
>=20
> /martin
>=20
>=20
> > The examples have a
> > '' element but in cases where there are multiple top-level=20
> > nodes, some of which are optional in the configuration (ie not=20
> > presence containers), is it possible to delete these nodes?
> >=20
> > Secondly, if I'm correct that the 'delete' operation would only=20
> > affect nodes below the one with the delete operation, is it possible=20
> > to construct an edit-config PDU that would delete all child nodes=20
> > without having to explicitly specify each one?  Or is the only way=20
> > to achieve this either to explicitly specify all config to be=20
> > removed, or to do a copy-config explicitly specifying all config=20
> > that is not to be deleted.
> >=20
> > Thanks,
> >=20
> > William
> >=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Martin Bjorklund [mailto:mbj@tail-f.com]
> > Sent: 14 April 2016 09:34
> > To: William Ivory 
> > Cc: netconf@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: [Netconf] Clarification request for NETCONF edit-config=20
> > default-operation replace
> >=20
> > Hi,
> >=20
> > William Ivory  wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >=20
> > > I'd appreciate clarification of how the NETCONF edit-config=20
> > > command should work with default-operation set to 'replace'.  For=20
> > > the most part, the edit-config section is clear that config will=20
> > > only be replaced if explicitly overwritten (ie if you provide=20
> > > replacement config for given nodes).  However, the section on=20
> > > default-operation is less clear:
> > >=20
> > >          The  parameter is optional, but if provid=
ed,
> > >          it has one of the following values:
> > >=20
> > >          merge:  The configuration data in the  parameter is
> > >             merged with the configuration at the corresponding level =
in
> > >             the target datastore.  This is the default behavior.
> > >=20
> > >          replace:  The configuration data in the  parameter
> > >             completely replaces the configuration in the target
> > >             datastore.  This is useful for loading previously saved
> > >             configuration data.
> > >=20
> > > Specifically, while 'merge' states that merge happesn with=20
> > > 'configuration as the corresponding level', 'replace' states that=20
> > > is 'completely replaces' the configuration, suggesting that it=20
> > > will remove ALL existing configuration regardless of what is=20
> > > explicitly provided as the replacement.  Is that correct, or is=20
> > > 'replace' meant to have equivalent semantics to 'merge' ie it will=20
> > > only replace configuration when an explicit replacement is=20
> > > provided.  In other words, if the latter case is correct, all it=20
> > > does is remove the requirement to specify the operation in each eleme=
nt of new config.
> >=20
> > Yes the latter is correct.  Note that the definition of "replace" as=20
> > an operation says:
> >=20
> >             Unlike a
> >              operation, which replaces the entire target
> >             configuration, only the configuration actually present in
> >             the  parameter is affected.
> >=20
> >=20
> > /martin
> >=20
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See below.
Jason

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Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 11:56
To: Martin Bjorklund
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t-operation replace

Hi Martin,

To follow up on this 'replace'-specific query (as opposed to my other reply=
 regarding 'delete'), is it correct that with this example YANG:



    leafValue
    leaflistValueOne
    leaflistValueTwo
    
        firstEntryKey
        firstEntryLeaf
    
    
        secondEntryKey
        secondEntryLeaf
    


... then either of the following operations would remove ALL existing confi=
guration under , including any existing list entries and any other=
 nodes (leaves etc), and would only leave the new list entry?

Using default operation 'none':

    
        
            newEntryKey
        
    


[>>JTS] I would think this does nothing except add a new aListEntry with ke=
y 'newEntryKey'.  If you wanted to, for example, replace the contents of th=
e first aListEntry member it would look like this:

    
        
            firstEntryKey
            newValueForFirstEntryLeaf
        
    


[>>JTS] If you want to replace the entire content of topCont then you need =
to do this:

    
        
            newEntryKey
        
    


Or using default operation 'replace':


    
        
            firstEntryKey
        
    


[>>JTS] I'm not sure about this one.  Is it equivalent to the following ?
Default operation merge (or none):

    
        
            firstEntryKey
        
    


---

Thanks,

William

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Bjorklund [mailto:mbj@tail-f.com]
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To: William Ivory 
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Hi,

William Ivory  wrote:
> Hi,
>=20
> I'd appreciate clarification of how the NETCONF edit-config command=20
> should work with default-operation set to 'replace'.  For the most=20
> part, the edit-config section is clear that config will only be=20
> replaced if explicitly overwritten (ie if you provide replacement=20
> config for given nodes).  However, the section on default-operation is=20
> less clear:
>=20
>          The  parameter is optional, but if provided,
>          it has one of the following values:
>=20
>          merge:  The configuration data in the  parameter is
>             merged with the configuration at the corresponding level in
>             the target datastore.  This is the default behavior.
>=20
>          replace:  The configuration data in the  parameter
>             completely replaces the configuration in the target
>             datastore.  This is useful for loading previously saved
>             configuration data.
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> Specifically, while 'merge' states that merge happesn with=20
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> words, if the latter case is correct, all it does is remove the=20
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Yes the latter is correct.  Note that the definition of "replace" as an ope=
ration says:

            Unlike a
             operation, which replaces the entire target
            configuration, only the configuration actually present in
            the  parameter is affected.


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-----Original Message-----
From: Netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sterne, Jason
(Nokia - CA)
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 2:12 PM
To: Martin Bjorklund ; wivory@Brocade.com
Cc: netconf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Netconf] Clarification request for NETCONF edit-config
default-operation replace

Is there no way to delete the entire contents of the datastore without
having to explicitly list every single top level node ?

e.g.
with no default operation (i.e. merge):


Or
With default operation = delete:


Similarly -> Is there no way to replace the entire contents of the datastore
?

[XL] I think< copy-config> or  can do this.

About the cases below shouldn't (c) and (d) return an error ?  They contain
data for an object that is being deleted.  (e) seems like the correct way to
do it.

[XL] I think Martin's explanation is correct. My understanding is that if
the value does not match, then the  would return an error since the
no matching data node found (yes I view this as a content-match). Or I might
be totally wrong here, i.e., the value does not matter in any way as Martin
said?

(f) and (g) surprise me.  If I can  an entire leaf-list or list
by just specifying the tag for the leaf-list/list name, why doesn't delete
get rid of the entire leaf-list/list ?
(if you specify a specific list entry/member in a delete it is basically
just a content match node but otherwise you've selected the entire list no
?).

[XL] I also thought that I can delete a list entry by specifying  all key
nodes and their values (i.e., list entry's instance ID). If no values of key
nodes are given, then the entire list entries matched and all of them should
be deleted. Although Martin's explanation also makes sense here, that is,
you can't  just delete a key node yet if it is still used by non-key nodes.
Just like deleting a directory when the directory still contains files. But,
in any case,  I would still like that I can delete a list entry by giving
the list entry's IID since we can unmistakably identify  a list entry by
given a list entry's IID (i.e. , all key nodes and their corresponding
values).  I think  such a delete operation would be useful,  just like "rm
-rf directory".

--Xiang 
-----Original Message-----
From: Netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Martin
Bjorklund
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 10:49
To: wivory@Brocade.com
Cc: netconf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Netconf] Clarification request for NETCONF edit-config
default-operation replace

William Ivory  wrote:
> OK - I think it might help if I gave some specific examples, with my 
> understanding of what would get deleted and you can tell me if I'm 
> correct or not.  Apologies for length, but I'd like to avoid any 
> confusion by not spelling out my queries, and I'm struggling to get a 
> clear picture of how this all works with all the different 
> permutations!
> 
> Let's take a configuration like this:
> 
> 
>     leafValue
>     leaflistValueOne
>     leaflistValueTwo
>     
>         firstEntryKey
>         firstEntryLeaf
>     
>     
>         secondEntryKey
>         secondEntryLeaf
>     
> 
> 
> ---
> 
> (a) topCont, default operation delete
> 
> With the default operation set to delete:
> 
> 
>     
> 
> 
> => topCont, and everything under it, would be deleted

Yes.

> (b) topCont, operation delete
> 
> With the default operation set to none:
> 
> 
>     
> 
> 
> => topCont, and everything under it, would be deleted
> 

Yes.

> ---
> 
> (c) aLeaf delete, operation specified for topCont
> 
> With the default operation set to none:
> 
> 
>     
>         leafValue
> 
> 
> => Will delete aLeaf node.  If this leaves topCont empty, then topCont 
> would be removed.  If topCont still contains other elements, topCont 
> would remain?

No.  This deletes the topCont and everything below it.

> ---
> 
> (d) aLeaf delete, operation specified for aLeaf
> 
> With the default operation set to none:
> 
> 
>     
>         leafValue
> 
> 
> => Will delete aLeaf node.  If this leaves topCont empty, then topCont 
> would be removed unless it is a presence node.

Yes  (s/would/may/)

> ---
> 
> (e) aLeaf delete, operation specified for aLeaf, but no value given
> 
> With the default operation set to none:
> 
> 
>     
>         
> 
> 
> => Would this delete aLeaf, and, as per (d), conditionally , 
> or must the value of the leaf be specified?
> 

Yes, this would delete aLeaf.  The value doesn't matter.

> ---
> 
> (f) aLeafListEntry
> 
> Is there a way to delete all leaflist entries without specifying them 
> individually, eg:
> 
> 

No


> 
> ... or, assuming there are other sibling nodes such that we can't just 
> delete topCont, must I specify each individual leaflist element I wish 
> to remove?
> 
> ---
> 
> (g) aListEntry
> 
> As per leaflist entries, is there a way to delete all entries 
> generically

No.

>, or must each be specified?

Yes.

> Separately, if I delete a non-key node inside a list entry, I assume 
> that just deletes that node.  If I delete the list's key node, then 
> presumably that removes the complete entry, eg:
> 
> 
>     
>         
>             firstEntryKey
>         
> 

Yes

> Would the following achieve the same, ie removal of this list entry:
> 
> 
>     
>         
>             firstEntryKey
>         
> 

Hmm.  I would say that this results in an error - deleting just the key of a
list is not possible.



/martin



> 
> ---
> 
> Thanks  for bearing with me,
> 
> William
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Bjorklund [mailto:mbj@tail-f.com]
> Sent: 15 April 2016 13:44
> To: William Ivory 
> Cc: netconf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Netconf] Clarification request for NETCONF edit-config 
> default-operation replace
> 
> William Ivory  wrote:
> > Hi Martin,
> > 
> > Thanks - I think that the section on 'replace' under 
> > 'default-operation' could do with being clarified next time the RFC 
> > is updated then.
> > 
> > I'd appreciate some further clarification on what exactly ' only the 
> > configuration actually present in the  parameter is affected'
> > means in practice.
> > 
> > First, the general pattern of examples which use 
> > 'operation=' is that this command is put in the 'parent'
> > element's tag, ie the tag which specifies 'delete' is *not* deleted.
> 
> No.  For example:
> 
>     
>       192.0.2.4
>     
> 
> will delete the "interface" node with the name "192.0.2.4"
> 
> It does NOT keep the "interface" node and just delete the "name" node.
> 
> > How then would you delete a top-level container?
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> /martin
> 
> 
> > The examples have a
> > '' element but in cases where there are multiple top-level 
> > nodes, some of which are optional in the configuration (ie not 
> > presence containers), is it possible to delete these nodes?
> > 
> > Secondly, if I'm correct that the 'delete' operation would only 
> > affect nodes below the one with the delete operation, is it possible 
> > to construct an edit-config PDU that would delete all child nodes 
> > without having to explicitly specify each one?  Or is the only way 
> > to achieve this either to explicitly specify all config to be 
> > removed, or to do a copy-config explicitly specifying all config 
> > that is not to be deleted.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > William
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Martin Bjorklund [mailto:mbj@tail-f.com]
> > Sent: 14 April 2016 09:34
> > To: William Ivory 
> > Cc: netconf@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: [Netconf] Clarification request for NETCONF edit-config 
> > default-operation replace
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > William Ivory  wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I'd appreciate clarification of how the NETCONF edit-config 
> > > command should work with default-operation set to 'replace'.  For 
> > > the most part, the edit-config section is clear that config will 
> > > only be replaced if explicitly overwritten (ie if you provide 
> > > replacement config for given nodes).  However, the section on 
> > > default-operation is less clear:
> > > 
> > >          The  parameter is optional, but if
provided,
> > >          it has one of the following values:
> > > 
> > >          merge:  The configuration data in the  parameter is
> > >             merged with the configuration at the corresponding level
in
> > >             the target datastore.  This is the default behavior.
> > > 
> > >          replace:  The configuration data in the  parameter
> > >             completely replaces the configuration in the target
> > >             datastore.  This is useful for loading previously saved
> > >             configuration data.
> > > 
> > > Specifically, while 'merge' states that merge happesn with 
> > > 'configuration as the corresponding level', 'replace' states that 
> > > is 'completely replaces' the configuration, suggesting that it 
> > > will remove ALL existing configuration regardless of what is 
> > > explicitly provided as the replacement.  Is that correct, or is 
> > > 'replace' meant to have equivalent semantics to 'merge' ie it will 
> > > only replace configuration when an explicit replacement is 
> > > provided.  In other words, if the latter case is correct, all it 
> > > does is remove the requirement to specify the operation in each
element of new config.
> > 
> > Yes the latter is correct.  Note that the definition of "replace" as 
> > an operation says:
> > 
> >             Unlike a
> >              operation, which replaces the entire target
> >             configuration, only the configuration actually present in
> >             the  parameter is affected.
> > 
> > 
> > /martin
> > 
> 

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That or we could also rename it to protocol-key-chain to disambiguate it
from system-key-chain.

On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Acee Lindem (acee)  wrote=
:

> So hopefully we=E2=80=99ve put the issue of combining the module to bed f=
or good=E2=80=A6
> If look at the date nodes for these two models, it is patently clear that
> these serve two different purposes.
>
> What about the naming issue? I got a comment that I should take =E2=80=9C=
routing-=E2=80=9C
> back out due to the fact that this is what that these key-chains can be
> used for many non-routing purposes. For example, BFD -
> http://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos14.2/topics/reference/con=
figuration-statement/key-chain-edit-security-authentication-key-chains.html
>
> Thanks,
> Acee
>
> From: rtgwg  on behalf of Acee Lindem <
> acee@cisco.com>
> Date: Monday, April 18, 2016 at 6:04 PM
> To: Mahesh Jethanandani 
> Cc: Martin Bjorklund , Tom Petch , "
> netconf@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-rtgwg-keychain@ietf.org=
"
> , Routing WG 
> Subject: Re: [Netconf] mbj review of
> draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-server-model-09
>
>
>
> From: Mahesh Jethanandani 
> Date: Monday, April 18, 2016 at 4:43 PM
> To: Acee Lindem 
> Cc: Kent Watsen , Tom Petch ,
> Martin Bjorklund , "netconf@ietf.org" ,
> Routing WG , "draft-ietf-rtgwg-keychain@ietf.org" <
> draft-ietf-rtgwg-keychain@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: [Netconf] mbj review of
> draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-server-model-09
>
>
> On Apr 18, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Acee Lindem (acee)  wrote:
>
> I did get some negative feedback with respect to adding =E2=80=9Crouting-=
=E2=80=9C to the
> model name since key chains are used for other non-routing applications a=
s
> well.
>
>
> One of those non-routing protocols is BFD. I am fine if the model is
> called protocol-key-chain, but I wonder what happens the next entity
> needing key-chain is not a protocol.
>
> The bigger question in my mind is, are these really different types of
> key-chains models, or are we talking about one key-chain model?
>
>
> The rtgwg key chain model is the one we all know and love associated with
> the graceful rollover of configurable keys. The netconf model is list of
> certificates for a public key. Please look at the information content of
> the two models. I hope I don=E2=80=99t have to answer this question again=
 ;^)
>
> Acee
>
>
>
>
>
> Mahesh Jethanandani
> mjethanandani@gmail.com
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That or we could also rename it to protocol-=
key-chain to disambiguate it from system-key-chain.

On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at =
11:40 AM, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote:







So hopefully we=E2=80=99ve put the issue of combining the module to be=
d for good=E2=80=A6 If look at the date nodes for these two models, it is p=
atently clear that these serve two different purposes.=C2=A0







What about the naming issue? I got a comment that I should take =E2=80=
=9Crouting-=E2=80=9C back out due to the fact that this is what that these =
key-chains can be used for many non-routing purposes. For example, BFD -=C2=
=A0http://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/=
junos14.2/topics/reference/configuration-statement/key-chain-edit-security-=
authentication-key-chains.html







Thanks,


Acee









From: rtgwg <rtgwg-bounces@ietf.org> on =
behalf of Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com>

Date: Monday, April 18, 2016 at 6:0=
4 PM

To: Mahesh Jethanandani <mjethanandani@gmail.c=
om>

Cc: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com>, Tom Petch=
 <ietfc@btconne=
ct.com>, "netconf@ietf.org" <netconf@ietf.org>,
 "draft-ietf-rtgwg-keychain@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-rtgwg-keychain=
@ietf.org>, Routing WG <rtgwg@ietf.org>

Subject: Re: [Netconf] mbj review o=
f draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-server-model-09



























From: Mahesh Jethanandani <mjethanandani@gmail=
.com>

Date: Monday, April 18, 2016 at 4:4=
3 PM

To: Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com>

Cc: Kent Watsen <kwatsen@juniper.net>, Tom =
Petch <ietfc@bt=
connect.com>, Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com>,
 "netconf@ietf.o=
rg" <netc=
onf@ietf.org>, Routing WG <rtgwg@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-rtgwg-keychain@ietf.org=
"
 <draft-ietf-rtgwg-keychain@ietf.org>

Subject: Re: [Netconf] mbj review o=
f draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-server-model-09





















On Apr 18, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote:




I
 did get some negative feedback with respect to adding =E2=80=9Crouting-=E2=
=80=9C to the

model
 name since key chains are used for other non-routing applications as

well.=C2=A0=









One of those non-routing protocols is BFD. I am fine if the model is c=
alled protocol-key-chain, but I wonder what happens the next entity needing=
 key-chain is not a protocol.







The bigger question in my mind is, are these really different types of=
 key-chains models, or are we talking about one key-chain model?














The rtgwg key chain model is the one we all know and love associated w=
ith the graceful rollover of configurable keys. The netconf model is list o=
f certificates for a public key. Please look at the information content of =
the two models. I hope I don=E2=80=99t have
 to answer this question again ;^)=C2=A0







Acee=C2=A0

































Mahesh Jethanandani

































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