From nobody Mon Oct 1 00:01:16 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62CA8130934; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 00:01:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FHK3gDdgY_C9; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 00:01:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EF94130DD5; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 00:01:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [173.38.220.61]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 52DF01AE03DD; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 09:01:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 09:01:00 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20181001.090100.961671620315760891.mbj@tail-f.com> To: alissa@cooperw.in Cc: iesg@ietf.org, draft-ietf-netconf-nmda-restconf@ietf.org, mjethanandani@gmail.com, netconf-chairs@ietf.org, netconf@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: <153799610397.21672.18066366208423632685.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <153799610397.21672.18066366208423632685.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.7 on Emacs 24.5 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-netconf-nmda-restconf-04: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 07:01:11 -0000 Hi, Alissa Cooper wrote: > Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-netconf-nmda-restconf-04: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-nmda-restconf/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Please apply the changes resulting from the Gen-ART review: either removing or > clarifying the text about 'ds-ephemeral' I have applied the text suggested by Russ: If a server implements other datastores, such as the example datastore "ds-ephemeral" in the module "example-ds-ephemeral", the server would implement the resource {+restconf}/ds/example- ds-ephemeral:ds-ephemeral. > , adding clarifying text > about GET, We (the authors) do not understand what edits are required for this. The text in the draft is: o [RFC8040], Section 3.5.4, paragraph 3 does not apply when interacting with any resource under {+restconf}/ds. > and > adding the missing ')' in Section 5. Done! /martin From nobody Mon Oct 1 00:04:39 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F2E1130DD5; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 00:04:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ns3OrGM5EgBN; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 00:04:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A08130934; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 00:04:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [173.38.220.61]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 411491AE03DD; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 09:04:26 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 09:04:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20181001.090425.762031042763991630.mbj@tail-f.com> To: warren@kumari.net Cc: iesg@ietf.org, draft-ietf-netconf-nmda-netconf@ietf.org, mjethanandani@gmail.com, netconf-chairs@ietf.org, netconf@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: <153774762713.29234.13520591093910263393.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <153774762713.29234.13520591093910263393.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.7 on Emacs 24.5 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-netconf-nmda-netconf-06: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 07:04:31 -0000 Hi, Warren Kumari wrote: > Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-netconf-nmda-netconf-06: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-nmda-netconf/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I'll be honest -- I was expecting this review to be long, annoying and > unpleasant. It is documenting changes to some fundamental bits, and on matters > where I always feel like I *should( have more expertise / knowledge... and so I > set aside time on a flight to be able to focus on this.... > > It turns out to have been a very well, clearly written and understandable > document... > > I only have a *minor* suggestion: > "3.1.1.3. Example: Retrieving an entire subtree from > > The following example shows the version of the > example shown in Section 7.1 of [RFC6241]. > " > > Seeing that this is an introductory example, I think that it would be nice to > make it clearer that this filters users subtree; it is clear once reading the > example, but knowing what it is supposed to be demonstrating before seeing it > might be nice... Ok. How about: OLD: The following example shows the version of the example shown in Section 7.1 of [RFC6241]. NEW: The following example shows the version of the example shown in Section 7.1 of [RFC6241], which selects the entire "/users" subtree: /martin From nobody Mon Oct 1 00:08:56 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 540B6130934; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 00:08:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O7tuEegCoB6e; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 00:08:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5613130DC5; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 00:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [173.38.220.61]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6EF7D1AE03DD; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 09:08:37 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 09:08:36 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20181001.090836.195350082384169070.mbj@tail-f.com> To: ek=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org Cc: gen-art@ietf.org, draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis.all@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, netconf@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: <153034650620.26529.10990280643529917972@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <153034650620.26529.10990280643529917972@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.7 on Emacs 24.5 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis-06 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 07:08:44 -0000 Hi, Thank you for your review! Comments inline. Erik Kline wrote: > Reviewer: Erik Kline > Review result: Ready > > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area > Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed > by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just > like any other last call comments. > > For more information, please see the FAQ at > > . > > Document: draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis-06 > Reviewer: Erik Kline > Review Date: 2018-06-30 > IETF LC End Date: 2018-06-28 > IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat > > Summary: ready > > Major issues: none > > Minor issues: none > > Nits/editorial comments: > > Conceptually, the "checksum" isn't a checksum so much as just a unique > identifier. The text in Section 3 text generally seems to acknowledge > this (even using checksum in quotation marks), and so I'm left wondering > whether "checksum" is really the best name. > > I've no strong opinion, just this observation, and nothing that should > impede this document (I assume bike-shedding may have already occurred). Yes; this used to be called just an "identifier", but people found it confusing and it was always referred to as the checksum... > Section 2, item 4 "more than one datastores" -> "more than one datastore". Fixed. > Section 4, I believe ietf-datastores reference can be updated to RFC 8342, > if I understand things correctly. Fixed. > Section 4, Author list entry for Rob Wilton lacks "mailto:" before the > email address. Fixed. /martin From nobody Mon Oct 1 00:40:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACD6F1271FF; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 00:40:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t8Rko00CvX6b; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 00:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 641C812D7F8; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 00:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [173.38.220.61]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1C6BF1AE03DD; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 09:40:02 +0200 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Objection on draft-ietf-netconf-nmda-netconf-06: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 11:49:28 -0000 --0000000000005c525705772965fa Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Perfect, thanks! W On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:04 AM Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Hi, > > Warren Kumari wrote: > > Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for > > draft-ietf-netconf-nmda-netconf-06: No Objection > > > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > > > Please refer to > https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-nmda-netconf/ > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > COMMENT: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I'll be honest -- I was expecting this review to be long, annoying and > > unpleasant. It is documenting changes to some fundamental bits, and on > matters > > where I always feel like I *should( have more expertise / knowledge... > and so I > > set aside time on a flight to be able to focus on this.... > > > > It turns out to have been a very well, clearly written and understandable > > document... > > > > I only have a *minor* suggestion: > > "3.1.1.3. Example: Retrieving an entire subtree from > > > > The following example shows the version of the > > example shown in Section 7.1 of [RFC6241]. > > " > > > > Seeing that this is an introductory example, I think that it would be > nice to > > make it clearer that this filters users subtree; it is clear once > reading the > > example, but knowing what it is supposed to be demonstrating before > seeing it > > might be nice... > > Ok. How about: > > OLD: > > The following example shows the version of the > example shown in Section 7.1 of [RFC6241]. > > NEW: > > The following example shows the version of the > example shown in Section 7.1 of [RFC6241], which selects > the entire "/users" subtree: > > > > > /martin > -- I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf --0000000000005c525705772965fa Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Perfect, thanks!

W

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:04 AM Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com> wrote:
Hi,

Warren Kumari <wa= rren@kumari.net> wrote:
> Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for
> draft-ietf-netconf-nmda-netconf-06: No Objection
>
> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all<= br> > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut thi= s
> introductory paragraph, however.)
>
>
> Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/i= esg/statement/discuss-criteria.html
> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.
>
>
> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/d= oc/draft-ietf-netconf-nmda-netconf/
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------=
> COMMENT:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------=
>
> I'll be honest -- I was expecting this review to be long, annoying= and
> unpleasant. It is documenting changes to some fundamental bits, and on= matters
> where I always feel like I *should( have more expertise / knowledge...= and so I
> set aside time on a flight to be able to focus on this....
>
> It turns out to have been a very well, clearly written and understanda= ble
> document...
>
> I only have a *minor* suggestion:
> "3.1.1.3.=C2=A0 Example: Retrieving an entire subtree from <ru= nning>
>
> The following example shows the <get-data> version of the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <get-config> example shown in Section 7.1 of [RFC62= 41].
> "
>
> Seeing that this is an introductory example, I think that it would be = nice to
> make it clearer that this filters users subtree; it is clear once read= ing the
> example, but knowing what it is supposed to be demonstrating before se= eing it
> might be nice...

Ok.=C2=A0 How about:

OLD:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0The following example shows the <get-data> version of th= e
=C2=A0 =C2=A0<get-config> example shown in Section 7.1 of [RFC6241].<= br>
NEW:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0The following example shows the <get-data> version of th= e
=C2=A0 =C2=A0<get-config> example shown in Section 7.1 of [RFC6241], = which selects
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the entire "/users" subtree:




/martin
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I don't think the execution is relev= ant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place.
This is like pu= tting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having ch= osen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants.
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mjethanandani@gmail.com, netconf-chairs@ietf.org, netconf@ietf.org To: Martin Bjorklund References: <153799610397.21672.18066366208423632685.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <20181001.090100.961671620315760891.mbj@tail-f.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-netconf-nmda-restconf-04: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 14:03:16 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_F06DF1B5-7F26-44BD-AC96-6DDC9A545877 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks! Alissa > On Oct 1, 2018, at 3:01 AM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > Alissa Cooper > wrote: >> Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for >> draft-ietf-netconf-nmda-restconf-04: No Objection >>=20 >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut = this >> introductory paragraph, however.) >>=20 >>=20 >> Please refer to = https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html >> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >>=20 >>=20 >> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-nmda-restconf/ >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> COMMENT: >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>=20 >> Please apply the changes resulting from the Gen-ART review: either = removing or >> clarifying the text about 'ds-ephemeral' >=20 > I have applied the text suggested by Russ: >=20 > If a server implements other datastores, such as the example > datastore "ds-ephemeral" in the module "example-ds-ephemeral", > the server would implement the resource {+restconf}/ds/example- > ds-ephemeral:ds-ephemeral. >=20 >> , adding clarifying text >> about GET, >=20 > We (the authors) do not understand what edits are required for this. > The text in the draft is: >=20 > o [RFC8040], Section 3.5.4, paragraph 3 does not apply when > interacting with any resource under {+restconf}/ds. >=20 >=20 >> and >> adding the missing ')' in Section 5. >=20 > Done! >=20 >=20 > /martin --Apple-Mail=_F06DF1B5-7F26-44BD-AC96-6DDC9A545877 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Thanks!
Alissa

On Oct = 1, 2018, at 3:01 AM, Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com> = wrote:

Hi,

Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
Alissa = Cooper has entered the following ballot position for
draft-ietf-netconf-nmda-restconf-04: No Objection

When responding, please keep the subject line = intact and reply to all
email addresses included in the To = and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this
introductory = paragraph, however.)


Please = refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.htmlfor more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT = positions.


The document, = along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-nmda-restco= nf/



---------------------------------------------------------------= -------
COMMENT:
---------------------------------------------------------------= -------

Please apply the changes resulting = from the Gen-ART review: either removing or
clarifying the = text about 'ds-ephemeral'

I have applied the text = suggested by Russ:

 If a server implements other datastores, such as the = example
 datastore= "ds-ephemeral" in the module "example-ds-ephemeral",
 the server would implement = the resource {+restconf}/ds/example-
 ds-ephemeral:ds-ephemeral.

, = adding clarifying text
about GET,

We (the authors) do not understand what edits are required = for this.
The text in = the draft is:

  o =  [RFC8040], Section 3.5.4, paragraph 3 does not apply = when
     interacting with any resource = under {+restconf}/ds.


and
adding the missing = ')' in Section 5.

Done!


/martin

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We know that > > establish-subscription returns a dynamically created URI, comparable > > to what a client might get from ietf-restconf-monitoring: > restconf-state\ > > /streams/stream/access/location. > > But it is not quite comparable. In the 8040 solution, the location > url is static, and then query parameters are provided by the client > in the POST to the SSE location. Thus, the server can free any > resources associated with the filter when the connection is > terminated. > > > > > > The RESTCONF procedure starts with the client > > examining /restconf-state/streams to determine stream and its location UR= L > > How does this monitoring information relate to the new solution? > > I assume both the old and new procedures can be supported by the same > server. > > Is it just ignored for a new subscription? > > > > Since all SSE data is always media type test/event-stream, each stream > entry indicates > > its secondary encoding format. This leaf is type string, and only 'xml' > and 'json' are supported > > in RFC 8040. The establish-subscription RPC has its own leaf for this > purpose. > > > > > > [Qin]: I am lost, should resource URIs returned by establish-subscription > same as location URL obtained from > > ietf-restconf-monitoring:restconf-state\/streams/stream/access/location. > > My understanding is if SSE is supported, let=E2=80=99s say HTTP 1.1, we w= ill use > location URL returned from > > ietf-restconf-monitoring:restconf-state\/streams/stream/access/location > > as input parameter to trigger SSE. In case of SSE being supported, HTTP > GET(URI) is not needed ? wrong? > > But if SSE is not supported, let=E2=80=99s say HTTP/2, location URL is no= t needed. > HTTP POST(URI) is required. > > Please correct me, if I am wrong. > > I don=E2=80=99t think there=E2=80=99s the option of SSE not being su= pported, doesn=E2=80=99t > RESTCONF mandate SSE support? > > > > > > > > I think sec 3.2 Discovery says use a different /streams container > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-restconf- > notif-07#section-3.2 > > > > Right. But using RFC8040 container should also work, or are you > saying we could not support RFC8040 container? > > > The draft mentions RFC 8040 in a few places so the reader is left to assume that there is no relationship between /streams and /restconf-state/streams. The RFC 8040 procedures are intentionally ignored and there is no correlation between these data models (e.g., same stream name in both is just coincidence with no meaning). If this is the intent then it should be stated in the draft. If not, then something else should be stated in the draft. > Regards, > > Reshad. > Andy > > > There should be a sub-section added in sec. 3 about coexistence between > > RFC 8040 notifications and this document. Obviously vendors need the opti= on > > of supporting both in the same server. > > > > How do they interact, starting with the 2 different /streams data models. > > > > It should also be clear in this draft that the "uri" leaf contents are > implementation-specific > > and MAY be predictable by a client application. Query parameters MAY be > defined > > for use with the GET operation on this uri. > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > --00000000000039db9205772d26ee Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:48 AM, Reshad Rahman (rrahman) <rrahman@cisco= .com> wrote:

Hi,

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=C2=A0

From= : 'Andy Bierman= ' <andy@yuma= works.com>
Date: Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 2:00 PM
To: Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com>
Cc: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com>, Netconf <netconf@ietf.org>, "Reshad Rahman (rrah= man)" <rrahm= an@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: [Netconf] SSE and HTTP/2 in restcon-notif=

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=C2=A0

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 8:40 PM Qin Wu <bill.wu@h= uawei.com> wrote:

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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I envision the variation being relatively
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 minor, something along the line of:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 if 1.1, then SSE.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 if 2.0, client MAY open a stream first.
>
> 3) resource URIs
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This is likely where we need to spend the most time. We k= now that
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 establish-subscription returns a dynamically created URI,= comparable
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 to what a client might get from ietf-restconf-monitoring:= restconf-state\
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 /streams/stream/access/location.

But it is not quite comparable.=C2=A0 In the 8040 solution, the location url is static, and then query parameters are provided by the client
in the POST to the SSE location.=C2=A0 Thus, the server can free any
resources associated with the filter when the connection is
terminated.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

The RESTCONF procedure st= arts with the client<= /p>

examining /restconf-state= /streams to determine stream and its location URL=

How does this monitoring = information relate to the new solution?=

I assume both the old and= new procedures can be supported by the same server.

Is it just ignored for a = new subscription?

=C2=A0

Since all SSE data is alw= ays media type test/event-stream, each stream entry indicates=

its secondary encoding fo= rmat. This leaf is type string, and only 'xml' and 'json' are supported

in RFC 8040. The establis= h-subscription RPC has its own leaf for this purpose.

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=C2=A0

[Qin]: I am lost, should resource URIs returned by establish-subscription same as location URL obtained from=

ietf-restconf-monitoring:restconf-state\/streams/= stream/access/location.

My understanding is if SSE is supported, let=E2=80=99s say HTTP 1.1, we will use location URL returned from <= span>

ietf-restconf-monitoring:restconf-state\/streams/= stream/access/location

as input parameter to trigger SSE. In case of SSE being supported, HTTP GET(URI) is not needed ? wrong?<= span>

But if SSE is not supported, let=E2=80=99s say HTTP/2, location URL is not needed. HTTP POST(URI) is required.

Please correct me, if I am wrong.

<RR> I don=E2=80=99t think there= =E2=80=99s the option of SSE not being supported, doesn=E2=80=99t RESTCONF = mandate SSE support?

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=C2=A0

=C2=A0

I think sec 3.2 Discovery says use a different= /streams container

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<RR> Right. But using RFC8040 container = should also work, or are you saying we could not support RFC8040 container?=

=C2=A0




The draft mentions RFC 8040 in a few places so the reader is left to assu= me
that there is no relationship between /streams and /restconf-s= tate/streams.
The RFC 8040 procedures are intentionally ignored a= nd there is no correlation between
these data models (e.g., same = stream name in both is just coincidence with
no meaning).

If this is the intent then it should be stated in the dra= ft.
If not, then something else should be stated in the draft.



=C2=A0

Regards,

Reshad.



Andy
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=

=C2=A0

There should be a sub-section added in sec. 3 = about coexistence between

RFC 8040 notifications and this document. Obvi= ously vendors need the option

of supporting both in the same server.<= u>

=C2=A0

How do they interact, starting with the 2 diff= erent /streams data models.

=C2=A0

It should also be clear in this draft that the= "uri" leaf contents are implementation-specific

and MAY be predictable by a client application= . Query parameters MAY be defined

for use with the GET operation on this uri.=

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=C2=A0

Andy

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Mon, 01 Oct 2018 11:26:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a19:f811:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 11:26:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6E59E89D-B00C-4E8A-A3EA-970553C2F40E@juniper.net> References: <20180927.224854.1626742691261140238.mbj@tail-f.com> <6E59E89D-B00C-4E8A-A3EA-970553C2F40E@juniper.net> From: Andy Bierman Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2018 11:26:08 -0700 Message-ID: To: Kent Watsen Cc: Qin Wu , Netconf , "rrahman=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000072d2c605772ef098" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] SSE and HTTP/2 in restcon-notif X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 18:26:14 -0000 --00000000000072d2c605772ef098 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Kent Watsen wrote: > > > > It should also be clear in this draft that the "uri" leaf contents > > are implementation-specific and MAY be predictable by a client > > application. Query parameters MAY be defined for use with the GET > > operation on this URI. > > I recommend against this. > > Going back to my "how does the server ensure only said client > accesses the resource?", I've been thinking that the simplest > thing would be for the server to generate a cryptographically > random URI. This would defend against both brute-force and > side-channel attacks. As the URI is always communicated over > TLS (both when sent to the client, and in all the client's > subsequent HTTP requests), the URI is never exposed. SecDir > should be fine with this. Thoughts? > > FWIW, I'm distinguishing between the URI that should be > receiver-specific, and the subscription/id that may be shared > by multiple receivers. > > I think the URI should be implementation-specific. There is a standard mechanism to discover the correct URI to use so there should not be any client issues. If the URI just happens to match /streams// then so what? It is just an implementation detail right? And if the URI happens to support configured subscriptions this way that should not cause a problem either. > > Kent // contributor > > Andy --00000000000072d2c605772ef098 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:00 AM, Kent Watsen <kwatsen@juniper.net> wrote:


> It should also be clear in this draft that the "uri" leaf co= ntents
> are implementation-specific and MAY be predictable by a client
> application. Query parameters MAY be defined for use with the GET
> operation on this URI.

I recommend against this.=C2=A0

Going back to my "how does the server ensure only said client
accesses the resource?", I've been thinking that the simplest
thing would be for the server to generate a cryptographically
random URI.=C2=A0 This would defend against both brute-force and
side-channel attacks.=C2=A0 As the URI is always communicated over
TLS (both when sent to the client, and in all the client's
subsequent HTTP requests), the URI is never exposed.=C2=A0 SecDir
should be fine with this.=C2=A0 Thoughts?

FWIW, I'm distinguishing between the URI that should be
receiver-specific, and the subscription/id that may be shared
by multiple receivers.



I think the URI should = be implementation-specific.
There is a standard mechanism to disc= over the correct URI to use
so there should not be any client iss= ues.

If the URI just happens to match /streams/<= ;stream-name>/<subscription-id>
then so what?=C2=A0 It i= s just an implementation detail right?
And if the URI happens to = support configured subscriptions this way
that should not cause a= problem either.

=C2=A0

Kent // contributor


Andy
=C2=A0

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Query parameters MAY be defined for use with the GET > > > operation on this URI. > > > > I recommend against this. > > > > Going back to my "how does the server ensure only said client > > accesses the resource?", I've been thinking that the simplest > > thing would be for the server to generate a cryptographically > > random URI. This would defend against both brute-force and > > side-channel attacks. As the URI is always communicated over > > TLS (both when sent to the client, and in all the client's > > subsequent HTTP requests), the URI is never exposed. SecDir > > should be fine with this. Thoughts? > > > > FWIW, I'm distinguishing between the URI that should be > > receiver-specific, and the subscription/id that may be shared > > by multiple receivers. > > > > > > I think the URI should be implementation-specific. > There is a standard mechanism to discover the correct URI to use > so there should not be any client issues. +1 > If the URI just happens to match /streams// > then so what? It is just an implementation detail right? Exactly. It might actually be on the form /streams//?filter="..." In this case there are no resources to free for the server, so the "lifetime" problem is trivial to handle. > And if the URI happens to support configured subscriptions this way > that should not cause a problem either. Yes. 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Mon, 01 Oct 2018 12:45:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a19:f811:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 12:45:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2EAF7889-0179-482E-AEE9-A5311EFAB680@juniper.net> References: <6E59E89D-B00C-4E8A-A3EA-970553C2F40E@juniper.net> <20181001.203508.1709854582923261288.mbj@tail-f.com> <2EAF7889-0179-482E-AEE9-A5311EFAB680@juniper.net> From: Andy Bierman Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2018 12:45:53 -0700 Message-ID: To: Kent Watsen Cc: Martin Bjorklund , "rrahman=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org" , "netconf@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a3a17d0577300d21" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] SSE and HTTP/2 in restcon-notif X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 19:46:00 -0000 --000000000000a3a17d0577300d21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: > > > >> I think the URI should be implementation-specific. > >> There is a standard mechanism to discover the correct URI to use > >> so there should not be any client issues. > > > > +1 > > > >> If the URI just happens to match /streams/\ > >> / then so what? It is just an implementation > >> detail right? > > I thought the concern was for preventing access by other > clients. One way is through obfuscation (e.g., random URI). > Another is through access control, but we wouldn't want > dynamically-generated NACM rules, in at least, > so then is the idea for dynamically-generated NACM rules > to be in ? Perhaps someone can post text? > > I don't know why changes to NACM would be needed. The server just needs to remember the username of the client that did the and only allow that username to do the GET on the SSE URI. > Kent // contributor > > > Andy --000000000000a3a17d0577300d21 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Kent Watsen <kwatsen@juniper.net> wrote:


>> I think the URI should be implementation-specific.
>> There is a standard mechanism to discover the correct URI to use >> so there should not be any client issues.
>
> +1
>
>> If the URI just happens to match /streams/<stream-name>\
>> /<subscription-id> then so what?=C2=A0 It is just an impleme= ntation
>> detail right?

I thought the concern was for preventing access by other
clients.=C2=A0 One way is through obfuscation (e.g., random URI).
Another is through access control, but we wouldn't want
dynamically-generated NACM rules, in <intended> at least,
so then is the idea for dynamically-generated NACM rules
to be in <operational>?=C2=A0 Perhaps someone can post text?


I don't know why changes to NACM w= ould be needed.
The server just needs to remember the username of= the client that
did the <establish-subscription> and only = allow that username
to do the GET on the SSE URI.

<= /div>
=C2=A0
Kent // contributor



Andy

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Schoenwaelder Mail-Followup-To: Qin Wu , Netconf References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 X-ClientProxiedBy: SXCHMB02.jacobs.jacobs-university.de (10.70.0.121) To sxchmb03.jacobs.jacobs-university.de (10.70.0.155) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] I-D Action: draft-wu-netconf-restconf-factory-restore-02.txt X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 09:35:50 -0000 On Tue, Oct 02, 2018 at 08:52:40AM +0000, Qin Wu wrote: > Thanks Juergen, please see my comments inline. > > -Qin > -----邮件原件----- > å‘件人: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de] > å‘é€æ—¶é—´: 2018å¹´9月30æ—¥ 21:04 > 收件人: Qin Wu > 抄é€: Netconf > 主题: Re: [Netconf] I-D Action: draft-wu-netconf-restconf-factory-restore-02.txt > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 09:35:26AM +0000, Qin Wu wrote: > > I am also not sure what exactly the factory-default datastore contains. It sounds like simple static data but in reality many devices do some probing of hardware to determine what the "factory default" is, i.e., factory-default is not necessarily static. > > [Qin]: Good point, regarding what content is included in factory default datastore, I think the documentation defining the datastore should answer this question, but I am not sure this should be in the scope of this draft. > Yes, I agree with you factory default datstore is not necessarily a static datastore and will update the draft to reflect this. I thought this draft defines this new datastore and hence the draft should define what it contains and how the content relates to other datastores. > Why do we need a capability identifier? > > i.e.,a new XML element is added to the input for > the , operations. > > I think this is wrong and not needed for get-data. And if NMDA is a prerequisite for this, then we do not need to talk about get-config. > > [Qin]: For get-data operation, I agree with you but we need to add a new datastore identity which is derived from identity defined in ietf-datstores module of RFC8342. datastore identity != capability identifier. I agree that you need a datastore identify, I do not think you need a capability identifier. > For get-config, the choice-based strategy from get-config operation doesn't allow future extension. That's why we proposed to add a new XML element which is identity type. > If mixing use of identity to identify factory with choice based strategy from get-config is not a good design,i.e., > " > augment "/nc:copy-config/nc:input/nc:source/nc:config-source" { > description > "Add factory default Datastore as source."; > leaf factory { > type ds:datastore-ref; > must "derived-from-or-self(current(), 'fd:factory')" { > error-message "config source is only applicable to factory."; > } > " But why would one do this? Use get-data instead of get-config. > I think we should define a new operation for reverting content of any datastore into factory default setting. What do you think of this? > > For operation, the server MUST reset the target > datastore to factory default setting according to the value of this > element and return element in the NETCONF messages > in success case. Whether this is meaningful or not I can't tell without having a more precise definition of what contains. The phrase 'reset the target datastore to factory default' is a bit unclear. Is this meant to be an exact copy of to the target or is there more to this notion of 'reset'? > [Qin]: Will make them consistent,thanks. > > I do not understand the reset operation (nor I am convinced yet that copy-config is the right thing necessarily): > > rpc reset { > nacm:default-deny-all; > description > "Request to reset the device to factory default setting > and make configuration update to take effect. > A server SHOULD send an rpc reply to the client before > reset the device."; > } > > What is 'make configuration update to take effect.' How are the various datastores modified if I invoke 'reset'? How do copy-config and reset relate to each other? Why is reset nacm:default-deny-all while copy-config etc. are not? > > [Qin]: I think nacm:default-deny-all should apply to config-config if you think extending copy-config is a right thing. > In the current draft, the key difference between copy-config and reset, is reset operation can revert all datastores in the device to factory-default-setting while copy-config can only revert one target datastore to factory default setting. I am still unsure whether 'reset' is the same as copy of to all (configuration?) datastores or whether 'reset' means different things to different datastores and what does this operation mean when more datastores are added in the future or how do I determine the set of datastores affected by such a 'reset'. Concerning nacm:default-deny-all, I think we should be consistent. It is kind of strange if an operation is nacm:default-deny-all but you can achieve the same effect using a sequence of other operations that are not nacm:default-deny-all. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Tue Oct 2 09:14:48 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietf.org Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BCE2130E27; Tue, 2 Oct 2018 09:14:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netconf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.85.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netconf@ietf.org Message-ID: <153849687941.5204.6037846837474086911@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 09:14:39 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Netconf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-00.txt X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 16:14:39 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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<153866831213.4558.12288032815519526150@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 08:51:52 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Netconf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-notifications-12.txt X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 15:51:52 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration WG of the IETF. Title : NETCONF Support for Event Notifications Authors : Eric Voit Alexander Clemm Alberto Gonzalez Prieto Einar Nilsen-Nygaard Ambika Prasad Tripathy Filename : draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-notifications-12.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2018-10-04 Abstract: This document provides a NETCONF binding to the dynamic subscription capability of both subscribed notifications and YANG push. RFC Editor note: please replace the four references to pre-RFC normative drafts with the actual assigned RFC numbers. 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7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netconf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.85.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netconf@ietf.org Message-ID: <153867088305.4391.14878274374243523544@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 09:34:43 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Netconf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-notifications-13.txt X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 16:34:43 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration WG of the IETF. Title : NETCONF Support for Event Notifications Authors : Eric Voit Alexander Clemm Alberto Gonzalez Prieto Einar Nilsen-Nygaard Ambika Prasad Tripathy Filename : draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-notifications-13.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2018-10-04 Abstract: This document provides a NETCONF binding to the dynamic subscription capability of both subscribed notifications and YANG push. RFC Editor note: please replace the four references to pre-RFC normative drafts with the actual assigned RFC numbers. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Oct 4 14:28:08 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietf.org Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F116212F1A5; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 14:28:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netconf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.85.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netconf@ietf.org Message-ID: <153868848193.4537.18164796613337965652@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 14:28:01 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Netconf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-notif-08.txt X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 21:28:02 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration WG of the IETF. Title : RESTCONF Transport for Event Notifications Authors : Eric Voit Reshad Rahman Einar Nilsen-Nygaard Alexander Clemm Andy Bierman Filename : draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-notif-08.txt Pages : 24 Date : 2018-10-04 Abstract: This document defines a RESTCONF binding to the dynamic subscription capability of both subscribed notifications and YANG-Push. Subscriptions to publisher defined event streams or nodes/subtrees of YANG Datastores is supported. 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charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US Hello, I have reviewed the draft and I think it is ready to progress forward. Some comments minor: Generally I find the draft a bit too long and too detailed. Much of this = can be derived from the yang language, subscribed-notifications and=20 yang-push. Still I=C2=A0 can accept it; it is OK. Ch 3) s/is been received/has been received/ Last paragraph) true, but to me this seems trivial. If you don't support = something, don't advertise it. Still this does not harm anyone. CH 5) s/if the NETCONF session involved with the "establish-subscription"=20 terminates,/ if the NETCONF session that carried the=20 "establish-subscription" terminates/ s/RPC MUST be sent using same the NETCONF session/RPC MUST be sent using = the same NETCONF session/ regards Balazs On 10/5/2018 12:10 AM, Kent Watsen wrote: > This message starts a Last Call on draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-not= ifications-13 (a.k.a. "netconf-notif"): > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-notific= ations-13 > > This, along with the restconf-notif Last Call, started in a separate > message, marks the last of the last calls on the yang push suite of > drafts. As explained before, given the size and number of documents, > the chairs decided to break the reviews up into pieces so as to get > focus on each in turn. We chose to go top-down, starting with > yang-push and ending with the "notif" drafts. We plan to submit > the drafts for publication when they are ready as a collective. > The goal is to do all this prior to IETF 103. > > While it's always nice to receive messages of support, at this time, > the question isn't so much if the working group supports the work > than if the document is ready to progress. The chairs need to see > reviews that indicate thorough end-to-end reading of the text. Of > course, if there are any objections, these should be brought forward > now as well. > > The current version (-13) of this draft was published on Oct 4th > (today). The datatracker page for the draft is here: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-no= tifications. > > > Thanks, > Kent (and Mahesh) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Netconf mailing list > Netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > --=20 Balazs Lengyel Ericsson Hungary Ltd. 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Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 X-ClientProxiedBy: SXCHMB04.jacobs.jacobs-university.de (10.70.0.156) To sxchmb03.jacobs.jacobs-university.de (10.70.0.155) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] I-D Action: draft-wu-netconf-restconf-factory-restore-02.txt X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2018 09:51:21 -0000 On Mon, Oct 08, 2018 at 09:36:08AM +0000, Qin Wu wrote: > > The content of factory is related to all configuration datastore, if > the content of factory need to be related to operational datastore > as well, a separate factory datastore is needed, in my opinion. This is too vague and does not help me. You need to explain what the data flow is between other datastores. > I am talking about copy-config, not get-config, do you suggest to > define copy-datastore new operation? If the answer is yes, I will > agree the capability identifier is not needed. If we need a better copy-config, we should create a better copy-config instead of introducing multiple ways to refer to datastores. 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Hello,

1) The function needs to support devices that have a factory reset functionality, but which are not capable to show the actual default values as a full datastore. Not all YANG servers will be full featured, big machines.

2) We have a number of writable datastores: running, startup, candidate, dynamic-datastores.=C2=A0 We need to document what happe= ns with each. After reseting a datastore in the normal case

  1. the running datastore is reset to mirror the content of the factory-default-datastore
  2. candidate datastore is reset to the same state as if the <discard-changes> operation was executed
  3. startup datastore is reset to the same state as if <copy-config>=C2=A0 running->startup was executed
  4. Any dynamic datastores are reset to empty

The system MAY provide YANG-Instance-Data based or other implementation specific documentation to specify other content that a datastore will have after a reset operation.

I wrote an example YANG module that could describe the above:

----------------------------
module ietf-factory-reset {
    namespace urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-factory-reset ;
    prefix fres ;
    yang-version 1.1;
   =20
    import ietf-netconf { prefix nc ; }
    import ietf-datastores { prefix ds; }
   =20
    feature factory-default-as-datastore {
        description "Indicates that the factory default configuration is =

            also available as a separate datastore";=20
    }
          =20
    rpc reset-datastore {
        description "The target datastore is reset to it's factory=20
            default content. The server MUST allow reset for the running =

            datastore and MAY allow reset for any other writable datastor=
e.";
           =20
        input {
            choice target-datastore {
                leaf target {
                    type identityref { base "ds:datastore" ; }
                }
                leaf all-datastores {=20
                    type empty;=20
                    description "All writable datastores including runnin=
g,=20
                        startup, candidate and any dynamic datastores tha=
t exist
                        are reset to their default value.";=20
                }=20
            }
           =20
            // Do we need an extra parameter that may order a restart of =

            // the YANG-server or the whole system?=20
        }
    }
   =20
    identity factory-default-running-datastore {
        description "The read-only datastore contains the configuration t=
hat=20
            will be copied into the running datastore by the reset-datast=
ore=20
            operation if the target is the running datastore.";
        if-feature "factory-default-as-datastore";
    }
   =20
    augment /nc:copy-config/nc:input/nc:target/nc:config-target {
        description " Allows the copy-config operation to use the=20
            factory-default-running-datastore as a source";
        if-feature factory-default-as-datastore;
        leaf factory-default { type empty ;}
    }
}


regards Balazs

On 2018. 10. 08. 11:51, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote:
On Mon, Oct 08, 2018 at 09:3=
6:08AM +0000, Qin Wu wrote:

The content of factory is related to all configuration datastore, if
the content of factory need to be related to operational datastore
as well, a separate factory datastore is needed, in my opinion.

This is too vague and does not help me. You need to explain what the
data flow is between other datastores.


I am talking about copy-co=
nfig, not get-config, do you suggest to
define copy-datastore new operation? If the answer is yes, I will
agree the capability identifier is not needed.

If we need a better copy-config, we should create a better copy-config
instead of introducing multiple ways to refer to datastores. I know
that early versions of draft-ietf-netconf-nmda-netconf-06 mentioned
copy-config, I need to dig deeper why this was taken out at some point
in time.

/js


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auto-generated Precedence: bulk CC: ibagdona@gmail.com, Bert Wijnen , Mahesh Jethanandani , draft-ietf-netconf-zerotouch@ietf.org, netconf@ietf.org, Bert Wijnen , mjethanandani@gmail.com, netconf-chairs@ietf.org Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Sender: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Message-ID: <153902452681.18658.3510868676789963389.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2018 11:48:46 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Netconf] Last Call: (Zero Touch Provisioning for Networking Devices) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2018 18:48:47 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Network Configuration WG (netconf) to consider the following document: - 'Zero Touch Provisioning for Networking Devices' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2018-10-22. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This draft presents a technique to securely provision a networking device when it is booting in a factory-default state. Variations in the solution enables it to be used on both public and private networks. The provisioning steps are able to update the boot image, commit an initial configuration, and execute arbitrary scripts to address auxiliary needs. The updated device is subsequently able to establish secure connections with other systems. For instance, a device may establish NETCONF (RFC 6241) and/or RESTCONF (RFC 8040) connections with deployment-specific network management systems. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-zerotouch/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-zerotouch/ballot/ The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2581/ The document contains these normative downward references. 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[Netconf] Mandatory local configuration in Keystore groupings X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2018 06:50:34 -0000 Hi Kent, First of all, thank you for the keystore update. I was checking it at the moment and noticed something that may be a miss. typedef asymmetric-key-ref { type leafref { path "/ks:keystore/ks:asymmetric-keys/ks:asymmetric-key" + "/ks:name"; require-instance false; } description "This typedef enables modules to easily define a reference to an asymmetric key stored in the keystore. The require instance attribute is false to enable the referencing of asymmetric keys that exist only in ."; reference "RFC 8342: Network Management Datastore Architecture (NMDA)"; } I think we were discussing changing 'require-instance' to 'true' in relatio= n to the change toward alternative (C) as discussed below. Should it be 'tr= ue' instead of 'false'? Br, Balazs -----Original Message----- From: Martin Bjorklund =20 Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 10:12 PM To: kwatsen@juniper.net Cc: Bal=E1zs Kov=E1cs ; Bal=E1zs Lengyel ; netconf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Netconf] Mandatory local configuration in Keystore groupings Kent Watsen wrote: >=20 > I like Martin's "twist" - I don't view it as an extreme hardship (the=20 > 1% case), and I prefer (C) for supporting "require-instance true" as=20 > well as having one less action. So, let's go with (C). >=20 > Martin, you mentioned some details might be wrong, are they wrong in=20 > (C)? - I'd like to have it right when posting the next update... Yes; in (C), "generate-hidden-key" and "load-hidden-key" doesn't take "name= " as input. /martin > Balazs, the desire to reference an IDevID could be from any=20 > SSH/TLS-based app, it would be hard to know in advance where. No=20 > matter, with (C)+twist, we can have "require-instance true" always. >=20 > Kent // contributor >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I'd just emphasize that in creation step of hidden key, the name must=20 > be coordinated between step A/1&2 by external application logic. Same=20 > holds for deletion of hidden key for A/1&2. "Same name" is important. >=20 > Enabling the possibility for 'require instance true' would be also=20 > good remark on the side of (C). >=20 > Regarding manufactured keys, I would not expect manufactured keys to=20 > be used in other common models, such as in TLS/SSH use cases. If they=20 > have some specific use case, maybe those models could either have=20 > 'require instance false' or it could be said to create an empty key=20 > for them as Martin described. >=20 > Br, > Balazs >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Bjorklund > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 9:02 AM > To: kwatsen@juniper.net > Cc: Bal=E1zs Kov=E1cs ; Bal=E1zs Lengyel=20 > ; netconf@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Netconf] Mandatory local configuration in Keystore=20 > groupings >=20 > Hi, >=20 > Ok, so we have these two alternatives illustrated below. There are=20 > some details that probably are wrong, but it doesn't really matter at=20 > this stage. With (A), there is one more action to control the=20 > lifespan of keys (delete-hidden-key). >=20 > In the case that the key is given as config, A and C works in the same=20 > way. >=20 > In the case that the key is permanent, A and C also works in the same=20 > way. >=20 > A and C differ in how hidden keys are handled. >=20 >=20 > In order to create a hidden key + certificate, the steps are: >=20 > A: 1. call generate-hidden-key with a given name > 2. create an asymmetric-key with the same name in the config > 3. call generate-certificate-signing-request > 4. > 5. create the certificate in the config >=20 > (step 1 and 2 can be done in reverse order) >=20 > C 1. create an asymmetric-key in the config > 2. call generate-hidden-key on this key > 3. call generate-certificate-signing-request > 4. > 5. create the certificate in the config >=20 > In order to delete a hidden key completely: >=20 > A: 1. call delete-hidden-key on the asymmetric-key to be deleted > 2. delete the asymmetric-key from the config >=20 > C: 1. delete the asymmetric-key from the config >=20 >=20 >=20 > In summary, they are very similar. >=20 > One possible twist that probably works best for C could be to use=20 > leafrefs with require instance true, and say that in order to use a=20 > permanent key (created during manufacturing), you first need to create=20 > config for the key (more or less empty config). The benefit is that=20 > we get proper leafref validation (no dangling pointers to handle in=20 > all other models). FWIW, this is the approach taken in=20 > ietf-interfaces. >=20 > If we don't do this twist, I think that we can use either of A and C. >=20 >=20 >=20 > /martin >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Kent Watsen wrote: > >=20 > > > With (A), once you have generated the key, you first have to create > > > the config for it, then invoke the action. With (C) (99% of) the=20 > > > keys already exist in the config, so you can just invoke the action. > >=20 > > I don't follow. What I see is that, with (A), a hidden key can be=20 > > created with a single action invocation while, with (C), first a=20 > > configuration operation is needed to create the "asymmetric-key" > > (without the three leafs) followed by an action invocation (to=20 > > populate the three leafs). > >=20 > >=20 > > > To summarize, A and C both get the job done. Which one is better=20 > > > is probably subjective. I think (C) is might be easier to understand= . > >=20 > > Okay, let's see how it looks. Bubbling all the ideas to the top, I=20 > > created the below tree-diagrams. Note, in both cases, the three=20 > > "mandatory true" leafs are replaced with an all-or-nothing "must" > > expression: > >=20 > >=20 > > (A) Uses RFC 8342 Section C.3.2 style config overlays for all hidden=20 > > keys; > > and an action statement is used to delete all hidden keys. > >=20 > > +--rw keystore > > +--rw asymmetric-keys > > +--rw asymmetric-key* [name] > > | +--rw name string > > | +--rw algorithm? ct:key-algorithm-re= f > > | +--rw public-key? binary > > | +--rw private-key? union > > | +---m "(algorithm and public-key and private-key) > > | | or not (algorithm or public-key or private-key)"; > > | +--rw certificates > > | | +--rw certificate* [name] > > | | +--rw name string > > | | +--rw cert ct:end-entity-cert-= cms > > | | +---n certificate-expiration > > | | +-- expiration-date? yang:date-and-time > > | +---x generate-certificate-signing-request > > | | +---w input // KEY MAY BE IN > > | | | +---w subject binary > > | | | +---w attributes? binary > > | | +--ro output > > | | +--ro certificate-signing-request binary > > | +---x delete-hidden-key > > | // no params > > +---x generate-hidden-key > > | +---w input // RESULT IN > > | +---w name string > > | +---w algorithm ct:key-algorithm-re= f > > +---x load-hidden-key > > +---w input // RESULT IN > > +---w name string > > +---w algorithm ct:key-algorithm-re= f > > +---w public-key binary > > +---w private-key union > >=20 > >=20 > > (C) Uses RFC 8342 Section C.3.2 style config overlays only for=20 > > hidden keys > > created in (i.e., during manufacturing). But if ther= e > > is > > even just one key created during Manufacturing, and it doesn't appe= ar > > in , then leafrefs still need to be "require-instance > > false", > > right? Also, it seems that such keys could never be deleted, unlike= =20 > > other hidden keys, but that is probably okay (correct behavior). > >=20 > > +--rw keystore > > +--rw asymmetric-keys > > +--rw asymmetric-key* [name] > > +--rw name string > > +--rw algorithm? ct:key-algorithm-re= f > > +--rw public-key? binary > > +--rw private-key? union > > +---m "(algorithm and public-key and private-key) > > | or not (algorithm or public-key or private-key)"; > > +--rw certificates > > | +--rw certificate* [name] > > | +--rw name string > > | +--rw cert ct:end-entity-cert-= cms=20 > > | +---n certificate-expiration > > | +-- expiration-date? yang:date-and-time > > +---x generate-hidden-key > > | +---w input // RESULT IN > > | +---w name string > > | +---w algorithm ct:key-algorithm-re= f > > +---x load-hidden-key > > | +---w input // RESULT IN > > | +---w name string > > | +---w algorithm ct:key-algorithm-re= f > > | +---w public-key binary > > | +---w private-key union > > +---x generate-certificate-signing-request > > +---w input // KEY MAY BE IN > > | +---w subject binary > > | +---w attributes? binary > > +--ro output > > +--ro certificate-signing-request binary > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Kent // contributor > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 From nobody Tue Oct 9 00:57:05 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietf.org Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1204131202; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 00:56:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netconf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.86.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netconf@ietf.org Message-ID: <153907181774.12097.9889176488309357203@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2018 00:56:57 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Netconf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-nmda-netconf-07.txt X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2018 07:56:58 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration WG of the IETF. Title : NETCONF Extensions to Support the Network Management Datastore Architecture Authors : Martin Bjorklund Juergen Schoenwaelder Phil Shafer Kent Watsen Robert Wilton Filename : draft-ietf-netconf-nmda-netconf-07.txt Pages : 21 Date : 2018-10-09 Abstract: This document extends the NETCONF protocol defined in RFC 6241 in order to support the Network Management Datastore Architecture defined in RFC 8342. This document updates both RFC 6241 and RFC 7950. The update to RFC 6241 adds new operations and , and augments existing operations , , and . The update to RFC 7950 requires the usage of I-D.ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis by NETCONF servers implementing the Network Management Datastore Architecture. RFC Ed.: Please replace "I-D.ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis" above with its final RFC assignment and remove this note. 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This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration WG of the IETF. Title : RESTCONF Extensions to Support the Network Management Datastore Architecture Authors : Martin Bjorklund Juergen Schoenwaelder Phil Shafer Kent Watsen Robert Wilton Filename : draft-ietf-netconf-nmda-restconf-05.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2018-10-09 Abstract: This document extends the RESTCONF protocol defined in RFC 8040 in order to support the Network Management Datastore Architecture defined in RFC 8342. This document updates RFC 8040 by introducing new datastore resources, adding a new query parameter, and requiring the usage of I-D.ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis by RESTCONF servers implementing the Network Management Datastore Architecture. RFC Ed.: Please replace "I-D.ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis" above with its final RFC assignment and remove this note. 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I found this in ct: grouping asymmetric-key-pair-with-certs-grouping { description "A private/public key pair and associated certificates."; uses asymmetric-key-pair-grouping; container certificates { description "Certificates associated with this asymmetric key. More than one certificate supports, for instance, a TPM-protected asymmetric key that has both IDevID and LDevID certificates associated."; list certificate { must "../../algorithm and ../../public-key and ../../private-key"; key name; description ... Is it ok to have the must statement in the certificate list? I think with (= C) the idea was to have hidden keys represented in the configuration for wh= ich certificates can still be configured, but hidden keys will have no algo= rithm/public-key/private-key in configuration. What's your view? Br, Balazs -----Original Message----- From: Netconf On Behalf Of Bal=E1zs Kov=E1cs Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2018 8:50 AM To: Martin Bjorklund ; kwatsen@juniper.net Cc: netconf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Netconf] Mandatory local configuration in Keystore groupings Hi Kent, First of all, thank you for the keystore update. I was checking it at the moment and noticed something that may be a miss. typedef asymmetric-key-ref { type leafref { path "/ks:keystore/ks:asymmetric-keys/ks:asymmetric-key" + "/ks:name"; require-instance false; } description "This typedef enables modules to easily define a reference to an asymmetric key stored in the keystore. The require instance attribute is false to enable the referencing of asymmetric keys that exist only in ."; reference "RFC 8342: Network Management Datastore Architecture (NMDA)"; } I think we were discussing changing 'require-instance' to 'true' in relatio= n to the change toward alternative (C) as discussed below. Should it be 'tr= ue' instead of 'false'? Br, Balazs -----Original Message----- From: Martin Bjorklund Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 10:12 PM To: kwatsen@juniper.net Cc: Bal=E1zs Kov=E1cs ; Bal=E1zs Lengyel ; netconf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Netconf] Mandatory local configuration in Keystore groupings Kent Watsen wrote: >=20 > I like Martin's "twist" - I don't view it as an extreme hardship (the=20 > 1% case), and I prefer (C) for supporting "require-instance true" as=20 > well as having one less action. So, let's go with (C). >=20 > Martin, you mentioned some details might be wrong, are they wrong in=20 > (C)? - I'd like to have it right when posting the next update... Yes; in (C), "generate-hidden-key" and "load-hidden-key" doesn't take "name= " as input. /martin > Balazs, the desire to reference an IDevID could be from any=20 > SSH/TLS-based app, it would be hard to know in advance where. No=20 > matter, with (C)+twist, we can have "require-instance true" always. >=20 > Kent // contributor >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I'd just emphasize that in creation step of hidden key, the name must=20 > be coordinated between step A/1&2 by external application logic. Same=20 > holds for deletion of hidden key for A/1&2. "Same name" is important. >=20 > Enabling the possibility for 'require instance true' would be also=20 > good remark on the side of (C). >=20 > Regarding manufactured keys, I would not expect manufactured keys to=20 > be used in other common models, such as in TLS/SSH use cases. If they=20 > have some specific use case, maybe those models could either have=20 > 'require instance false' or it could be said to create an empty key=20 > for them as Martin described. >=20 > Br, > Balazs >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Bjorklund > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 9:02 AM > To: kwatsen@juniper.net > Cc: Bal=E1zs Kov=E1cs ; Bal=E1zs Lengyel=20 > ; netconf@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Netconf] Mandatory local configuration in Keystore=20 > groupings >=20 > Hi, >=20 > Ok, so we have these two alternatives illustrated below. There are=20 > some details that probably are wrong, but it doesn't really matter at=20 > this stage. With (A), there is one more action to control the=20 > lifespan of keys (delete-hidden-key). >=20 > In the case that the key is given as config, A and C works in the same=20 > way. >=20 > In the case that the key is permanent, A and C also works in the same=20 > way. >=20 > A and C differ in how hidden keys are handled. >=20 >=20 > In order to create a hidden key + certificate, the steps are: >=20 > A: 1. call generate-hidden-key with a given name > 2. create an asymmetric-key with the same name in the config > 3. call generate-certificate-signing-request > 4. > 5. create the certificate in the config >=20 > (step 1 and 2 can be done in reverse order) >=20 > C 1. create an asymmetric-key in the config > 2. call generate-hidden-key on this key > 3. call generate-certificate-signing-request > 4. > 5. create the certificate in the config >=20 > In order to delete a hidden key completely: >=20 > A: 1. call delete-hidden-key on the asymmetric-key to be deleted > 2. delete the asymmetric-key from the config >=20 > C: 1. delete the asymmetric-key from the config >=20 >=20 >=20 > In summary, they are very similar. >=20 > One possible twist that probably works best for C could be to use=20 > leafrefs with require instance true, and say that in order to use a=20 > permanent key (created during manufacturing), you first need to create=20 > config for the key (more or less empty config). The benefit is that=20 > we get proper leafref validation (no dangling pointers to handle in=20 > all other models). FWIW, this is the approach taken in=20 > ietf-interfaces. >=20 > If we don't do this twist, I think that we can use either of A and C. >=20 >=20 >=20 > /martin >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Kent Watsen wrote: > >=20 > > > With (A), once you have generated the key, you first have to create > > > the config for it, then invoke the action. With (C) (99% of) the=20 > > > keys already exist in the config, so you can just invoke the action. > >=20 > > I don't follow. What I see is that, with (A), a hidden key can be=20 > > created with a single action invocation while, with (C), first a=20 > > configuration operation is needed to create the "asymmetric-key" > > (without the three leafs) followed by an action invocation (to=20 > > populate the three leafs). > >=20 > >=20 > > > To summarize, A and C both get the job done. Which one is better=20 > > > is probably subjective. I think (C) is might be easier to understand= . > >=20 > > Okay, let's see how it looks. Bubbling all the ideas to the top, I=20 > > created the below tree-diagrams. Note, in both cases, the three=20 > > "mandatory true" leafs are replaced with an all-or-nothing "must" > > expression: > >=20 > >=20 > > (A) Uses RFC 8342 Section C.3.2 style config overlays for all hidden=20 > > keys; > > and an action statement is used to delete all hidden keys. > >=20 > > +--rw keystore > > +--rw asymmetric-keys > > +--rw asymmetric-key* [name] > > | +--rw name string > > | +--rw algorithm? ct:key-algorithm-re= f > > | +--rw public-key? binary > > | +--rw private-key? union > > | +---m "(algorithm and public-key and private-key) > > | | or not (algorithm or public-key or private-key)"; > > | +--rw certificates > > | | +--rw certificate* [name] > > | | +--rw name string > > | | +--rw cert ct:end-entity-cert-= cms > > | | +---n certificate-expiration > > | | +-- expiration-date? yang:date-and-time > > | +---x generate-certificate-signing-request > > | | +---w input // KEY MAY BE IN > > | | | +---w subject binary > > | | | +---w attributes? binary > > | | +--ro output > > | | +--ro certificate-signing-request binary > > | +---x delete-hidden-key > > | // no params > > +---x generate-hidden-key > > | +---w input // RESULT IN > > | +---w name string > > | +---w algorithm ct:key-algorithm-re= f > > +---x load-hidden-key > > +---w input // RESULT IN > > +---w name string > > +---w algorithm ct:key-algorithm-re= f > > +---w public-key binary > > +---w private-key union > >=20 > >=20 > > (C) Uses RFC 8342 Section C.3.2 style config overlays only for=20 > > hidden keys > > created in (i.e., during manufacturing). But if ther= e > > is > > even just one key created during Manufacturing, and it doesn't appe= ar > > in , then leafrefs still need to be "require-instance > > false", > > right? Also, it seems that such keys could never be deleted, unlike= =20 > > other hidden keys, but that is probably okay (correct behavior). > >=20 > > +--rw keystore > > +--rw asymmetric-keys > > +--rw asymmetric-key* [name] > > +--rw name string > > +--rw algorithm? ct:key-algorithm-re= f > > +--rw public-key? binary > > +--rw private-key? union > > +---m "(algorithm and public-key and private-key) > > | or not (algorithm or public-key or private-key)"; > > +--rw certificates > > | +--rw certificate* [name] > > | +--rw name string > > | +--rw cert ct:end-entity-cert-= cms=20 > > | +---n certificate-expiration > > | +-- expiration-date? yang:date-and-time > > +---x generate-hidden-key > > | +---w input // RESULT IN > > | +---w name string > > | +---w algorithm ct:key-algorithm-re= f > > +---x load-hidden-key > > | +---w input // RESULT IN > > | +---w name string > > | +---w algorithm ct:key-algorithm-re= f > > | +---w public-key binary > > | +---w private-key union > > +---x generate-certificate-signing-request > > +---w input // KEY MAY BE IN > > | +---w subject binary > > | +---w attributes? binary > > +--ro output > > +--ro certificate-signing-request binary > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Kent // contributor > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ Netconf mailing list Netconf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf From nobody Tue Oct 9 06:46:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietf.org Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3977B131323; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 06:46:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.86.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: ibagdona@gmail.com, The IESG , Mahesh Jethanandani , draft-ietf-netconf-nmda-restconf@ietf.org, netconf@ietf.org, mjethanandani@gmail.com, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, netconf-chairs@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <153909280222.12145.10299212468956411959.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2018 06:46:42 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Netconf] Protocol Action: 'RESTCONF Extensions to Support the Network Management Datastore Architecture' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-netconf-nmda-restconf-05.txt) X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2018 13:46:43 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'RESTCONF Extensions to Support the Network Management Datastore Architecture' (draft-ietf-netconf-nmda-restconf-05.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Network Configuration Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Warren Kumari and Ignas Bagdonas. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-nmda-restconf/ Technical Summary This document defines RESTCONF protocol extensions needed for NMDA (Network Management Datastore Architecture) support. Working Group Summary NETCONF WG came to a consensus on technical details and there were no controversial aspects left unresolved. This document is a “copy†of the equivalent functionality of NETCONF NMDA extensions. Document Quality There is an interest in implementing NMDA extensions from the vendor community. RESTCONF generally sees somewhat less operator exposure compared to NETCONF but there is interest in the operations community for having NMDA support in RESTCONF environments too. The document was reviewed by YANG doctors with no major issues. Personnel Document shepherd is Mahesh Jethanandani. Responsible AD is Ignas Bagdonas. 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nkgeml414-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.75]) with mapi id 14.03.0399.000; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 10:07:06 +0800 From: Tianran Zhou To: Kent Watsen , "netconf@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WGLC on netconf-event-notifications-13 Thread-Index: AQHUXC8cbkWCNEfz8kWboGz592BIZKUXwePg Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 02:07:06 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.156.116] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] WGLC on netconf-event-notifications-13 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 02:07:15 -0000 Hi, I have reviewed this document, and think it's OK to move forward. Only one thing, I am a little lost in the following paragraph. " Each error identity will be inserted as the "error-app-tag" using JSON encoding following the form :. An example of such as valid encoding would be "ietf-subscribed- notifications:no-such-subscription". " I do not know why "JSON encoding" is mentioned here. : is not JSON like. Regards, Tianran > -----Original Message----- > From: Netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Kent Watsen > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 6:11 AM > To: netconf@ietf.org > Subject: [Netconf] WGLC on netconf-event-notifications-13 >=20 > This message starts a Last Call on > draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-notifications-13 (a.k.a. > "netconf-notif"): >=20 >=20 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-notificatio > ns-13 >=20 > This, along with the restconf-notif Last Call, started in a separate mess= age, > marks the last of the last calls on the yang push suite of drafts. As exp= lained > before, given the size and number of documents, the chairs decided to bre= ak > the reviews up into pieces so as to get focus on each in turn. We chose = to > go top-down, starting with yang-push and ending with the "notif" drafts. = We > plan to submit the drafts for publication when they are ready as a collec= tive. > The goal is to do all this prior to IETF 103. >=20 > While it's always nice to receive messages of support, at this time, the > question isn't so much if the working group supports the work than if the > document is ready to progress. The chairs need to see reviews that indic= ate > thorough end-to-end reading of the text. Of course, if there are any > objections, these should be brought forward now as well. >=20 > The current version (-13) of this draft was published on Oct 4th (today). > The datatracker page for the draft is here: >=20 >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-notifi > cations. >=20 >=20 > Thanks, > Kent (and Mahesh) >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Netconf mailing list > Netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf From nobody Tue Oct 9 19:48:16 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF778130E55 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2018 19:48:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, 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(HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] WGLC on netconf-event-notifications-13 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 09:14:57 -0000 Hi, I think this document is ready for publication. Some minor comments below. And note a bug in SN as well. o section 4 OLD: The "encode-xml" feature of [I-D.draft-ietf-netconf-subscribed-notifications] is mandatory to support. NEW: The "encode-xml" feature of [I-D.draft-ietf-netconf-subscribed-notifications] MUST be supported. o section 7 Also, it seems this text starts a itemized list, but it probably should not be a list: o In case of error responses to an "establish-subscription" or o section A.2.2 Bad xmlns: OLD: 3000 NEW: 3000 o A.3.1 The example has: nsn:netconf There is no transport "netconf" defined in SN, so this is broken. But this illustrates a problem with SN; the "transport" leaf is mandatory if the feature "configured" is supported. The problem is that just b/c a server supports the "configured" feature, it doesn't mean that there is an identity defined for all transports; e.g., there is no identity defined for NETCONF. So the leaf "transport" should probably not be mandatory. o A.4 Namespace and XPath errors: OLD: /vrrp-protocol-error-event[protocol-error-reason="checksum-error"] NEW: /vrrp:vrrp-protocol-error-event[ vrrp:protocol-error-reason="vrrp:checksum-error"] o Spelling of XPath s/xpath filter/XPath filter/ (a couple of places) OLD: This section provides examples which illustrate both xpath and NEW: This section provides examples which illustrate both XPath and OLD: Establishing a subscription error reason via XPATH NEW: Establishing a subscription error reason via XPath /martin From nobody Wed Oct 10 04:45:19 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 999FE130EE2 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 04:45:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9396IlaCYsqB for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 04:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFFFD130EAC for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 04:45:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [173.38.220.61]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0E2A51B039FA for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 13:45:15 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 13:45:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20181010.134515.758050607192527205.mbj@tail-f.com> To: netconf@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: <4101090B-394D-4C65-837B-568ECEDCCBB3@juniper.net> References: <4101090B-394D-4C65-837B-568ECEDCCBB3@juniper.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.7 on Emacs 24.5 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] WGLC on restconf-notif-08 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 11:45:19 -0000 Hi, I think that this document needs some fixes before it is ready. Here are my comments. o Title and Abstract This document is called: RESTCONF Transport for Event Notifications but netconf-notif called NETCONF Support for Event Notifications The titles should probably be aligned. ... and note the document that they support is called Customized Subscriptions to a Publisher's Event Streams It is not obvious that "RESTCONF Transport for Event Notifications" relates to "Customized Subscriptions to a Publisher's Event Streams". Also, the abstracts should probably also be aligned. o Section 3.1 Last sentence: A subscriber can then attempt to re-establish. Please clarify what this means. Specifically, the subscriber needs to re-send the "establish-subscription" and do a new GET on the new URI. (right?) o Section 3.2 The reference RFC6520 is incorrect, it should be 8040. o Section 3.3 It seems this text starts a itemized list, but it probably should not be a list: o In case of error responses to an "establish-subscription" or o Section 3.4 The text says: An HTTP GET is then sent on a separate logical connection (b) to the URI on the publisher. I think that is also ok if the GET is sent on (a) - in the case that you don't care about being able to modify the subscription. This should be clarified. Also, "modify-subscription" may be sent on some other session. o Section 4 o take any existing subscription "priority" and copy it into the HTTP2 stream priority, and What is the 'subscription "priority"'? Can you add a reference. Can you also add a reference to HTTP2 stream priority? o Section 4 o take any existing subscription "dependency" and map the HTTP2 stream for the parent subscription into the HTTP2 stream dependency. (same comments as above wrt. references) This text seems to imply that there in fact exists a HTTP2 stream for the "parent subscription". I don't think is necessarily true. o Section 5 In RESTCONF in general, JSON is not mandatory. I don't think this document should change that. o Section 5 OLD: A publisher supporting [I-D.ietf-netconf-yang-push] MUST support the "operational" datastore as defined by [RFC8342]. NEW: A publisher supporting [I-D.ietf-netconf-yang-push] MUST support the operational state datastore defined in [RFC8342]. ... but why do we specify conformance requirement for YANG push in this document? o Section 6 You should refer to Section 6.4 in RFC 8040 instead of RFC 5277. o Section 8 Should the identity "restconf" be derived also from "sn:configurable-encoding"? o Section 8 Why is "uri" augmented to "subscription-modified"? The URI can't change dynamically, right? Should the leaf "uri" be renamed to "location", to align with 8040? o A.1.1 The example POST is: POST /restconf/operations/subscriptions:establish-subscription This is not correct, it should be POST /restconf/operations/ietf-subscribed-notifications:establish-subscription (same for all POSTs in the examples) o A.1.1 The example reply is: { "id": "22", "uri": "/subscriptions/22" } and then the GET is: GET /restconf/operations/subscriptions/22 This isn't correct. Perhaps change to: "uri": "https://example.com/restconf/subscriptions/22" and GET /restconf/subscriptions/22 o A.3 The example of a subtree filter is not correct: OLD: "stream-subtree-filter": "/ietf-vrrp:vrrp-protocol-error-event/", NEW: "stream-subtree-filter": { "ietf-vrrp:vrrp-protocol-error-event": {} } /martin From nobody Wed Oct 10 06:03:45 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietf.org Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 400A7130EFE; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 06:03:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.86.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: ibagdona@gmail.com, The IESG , Mahesh Jethanandani , rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, netconf@ietf.org, mjethanandani@gmail.com, draft-ietf-netconf-nmda-netconf@ietf.org, netconf-chairs@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <153917660825.5879.5828558251469969778.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 06:03:28 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Netconf] Protocol Action: 'NETCONF Extensions to Support the Network Management Datastore Architecture' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-netconf-nmda-netconf-07.txt) X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 13:03:29 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'NETCONF Extensions to Support the Network Management Datastore Architecture' (draft-ietf-netconf-nmda-netconf-07.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Network Configuration Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Warren Kumari and Ignas Bagdonas. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-nmda-netconf/ Technical Summary This document defines NETCONF protocol extensions needed for NMDA (Network Management Datastore Architecture) support. Working Group Summary NETCONF WG came to a consensus on technical details and there were no controversial aspects left unresolved. Document Quality There is a strong indication in vendor community that NMDA extensions will be implemented. Operator community expressed their support for the NMDA model approach too. The document was reviewed by YANG doctors with no major issues. Personnel Document shepherd is Mahesh Jethanandani. Responsible AD is Ignas Bagdonas. Document adds several new entries into existing IANA registries. IANA Note Document adds several new entries into existing IANA registries. From nobody Wed Oct 10 07:11:17 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEBB3130F15 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 07:11:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.957 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.957 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4FsarfeMSwFT for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 07:11:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com [173.37.86.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4FA4130F2A for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 07:11:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3131; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1539180672; x=1540390272; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=E/k5eAYdbKHeCzqF/zCmMemVzLbyV9Zqc8/62Vbyy1E=; b=cX0JlfOcZZA+utHDtlJNMsB9R86tSfa09OL/AboS6YTlw7grveQR1QRh xCBFD0Rc7st69MXMdKB+0BCOuf4Z/ewo6eXos+OUuN3+YrAPIHvZOjYTO JKp5JgSkw2aSZMy9KLfyddhf+Fij0ktd05TrXssYETs8rSSn4XlFmK5EW g=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0AEAAAnB75b/4sNJK1ZAQkZAQEBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBAQEBBwEBAQEBAYFRBAEBAQEBCwGBWypmfygKjACMNYINln6BegsBARg?= =?us-ascii?q?LhANGAoRQITQNDQEDAQECAQECbRwMhTkBAQEBAgEBATg0CQcHBAIBCBEEAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?OEQkHJwsUCQgCBAESCIJOSwGBeQgPpgmEMweFVQWLOxeBQT+BEoMSgxsBAQI?= =?us-ascii?q?BAYEyAYYCAokLlHsJAoZPiXgfkAuMMIk1AhEUgSUdOIFVcBU7gmyLF4U+b4s?= =?us-ascii?q?/gR8BAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.54,364,1534809600"; d="scan'208";a="464282559" Received: from alln-core-6.cisco.com ([173.36.13.139]) by rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 10 Oct 2018 14:11:11 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-013.cisco.com (xch-rtp-013.cisco.com [64.101.220.153]) by alln-core-6.cisco.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w9AEBBxC004260 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Oct 2018 14:11:11 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-013.cisco.com (64.101.220.153) by XCH-RTP-013.cisco.com (64.101.220.153) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1395.4; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 10:11:10 -0400 Received: from xch-rtp-013.cisco.com ([64.101.220.153]) by XCH-RTP-013.cisco.com ([64.101.220.153]) with mapi id 15.00.1395.000; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 10:11:10 -0400 From: "Eric Voit (evoit)" To: Tianran Zhou , Kent Watsen , "netconf@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WGLC on netconf-event-notifications-13 Thread-Index: AQHUXC8cbkWCNEfz8kWboGz592BIZKUXwePggADIfdA= Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 14:11:10 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.118.56.234] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 64.101.220.153, xch-rtp-013.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: alln-core-6.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] WGLC on netconf-event-notifications-13 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 14:11:15 -0000 > From: Tianran Zhou, October 9, 2018 10:07 PM >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I have reviewed this document, and think it's OK to move forward. >=20 > Only one thing, I am a little lost in the following paragraph. > " Each error identity will be inserted as the "error-app-tag" using > JSON encoding following the form :. An > example of such as valid encoding would be "ietf-subscribed- > notifications:no-such-subscription". " >=20 > I do not know why "JSON encoding" is mentioned here. > : is not JSON like. Thanks for the comment Tianran. In that paragraph we are saying that a wa= y of encoding is needed to uniquely identify a specific identity within the= module. As you point out, It is true that there are not quotes around the= "" and "". So you are right that it is not exa= ctly JSON like (although there is some similarity). =20 To remove the confusion, I just eliminated the text "using JSON encoding". = Is that sufficient for you? Eric =20 > Regards, > Tianran >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Kent > > Watsen > > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 6:11 AM > > To: netconf@ietf.org > > Subject: [Netconf] WGLC on netconf-event-notifications-13 > > > > This message starts a Last Call on > > draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-notifications-13 (a.k.a. > > "netconf-notif"): > > > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-notificat > > io > > ns-13 > > > > This, along with the restconf-notif Last Call, started in a separate > > message, marks the last of the last calls on the yang push suite of > > drafts. As explained before, given the size and number of documents, > > the chairs decided to break the reviews up into pieces so as to get > > focus on each in turn. We chose to go top-down, starting with > > yang-push and ending with the "notif" drafts. We plan to submit the dr= afts > for publication when they are ready as a collective. > > The goal is to do all this prior to IETF 103. > > > > While it's always nice to receive messages of support, at this time, > > the question isn't so much if the working group supports the work than > > if the document is ready to progress. The chairs need to see reviews > > that indicate thorough end-to-end reading of the text. Of course, if > > there are any objections, these should be brought forward now as well. > > > > The current version (-13) of this draft was published on Oct 4th (today= ). > > The datatracker page for the draft is here: > > > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-noti > > fi > > cations. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Kent (and Mahesh) > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Netconf mailing list > > Netconf@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Netconf mailing list > Netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf From nobody Wed Oct 10 08:54:03 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86601130DD9; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 08:53:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=cooperw.in header.b=B/HTe7Ip; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=aghcqX87 Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yqPyIevrx1Jf; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 08:53:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com (out3-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D762A130F59; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 08:53:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C79021FA2; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 11:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 10 Oct 2018 11:53:48 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cooperw.in; h= from:message-id:content-type:mime-version:subject:date :in-reply-to:cc:to:references; s=fm1; bh=fAlUScotIYK/xbTGEB1yR4I zeZbyJZU0ekpv/iz8JuQ=; b=B/HTe7IpSv6X/aZb2RtGxD2LpSwVnKHgcdS/+/6 oe5MPUcb8LTj9LXOSvemyRJ2WU6h4VPA0inJp6HmNXXfT1geFXnobpl8DutbzH6U a5+fpKSV/PRqxkiq+9I7UwyiNk4co12JapchsxOQKO3UDJusgUEqHc/bJ0QvBcva 7AQTe81ttnENG78idQfqCN97Vuis7xmbx3PIYtB74bnSejI6gyqvinUs64l6MPTq aQVjDISndBmsEDPwEm3M6hwQouN5/WuJFz0Sa442BUqpiRGAYWlWRCN3vw/p6IPE gkm+Q2dYaZJ7n1PBRRFh/jYzL/XDuYLVUhOfWjmXoQENz5g== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=fAlUSc otIYK/xbTGEB1yR4IzeZbyJZU0ekpv/iz8JuQ=; b=aghcqX87tpEgO99+kQZCrT 6scKsLBPqUBHnyjN/ZgIx/9+EhKV5cDZtf5gizv6Nj3VBuWPdBy4Pnv6lBLXNe4d 9a4/E73gYPWlHYGr1MKhtnCjCWkFGnx/RuBqJFfNJJAdGmYjXCeX+Kyl4rbxmzs7 6AdAY0cv1jRh+YfxNKFrzfeNVvMAx/WX2D8pypzq2sG91Etgroz6VdfCZPUyN8xM q9aXlIVqyLIEeXwN8SYpzRYCZpX6r+swdJkNVe2O9b4JKV5gkBATEp+u4G8MNIsw 4cSqqers3JxXR6WSnvcU5ScwghlAhD9eCZwuPXKd2bGIU9HipWoxH8k9GJkm80dQ == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy: Received: from rtp-alcoop-nitro5.cisco.com (nccm-cmcs-client.cisco.com [173.38.117.70]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D7403E46BA; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 11:53:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Alissa Cooper Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_734B9BE9-534A-41F3-B6B8-D6F532E02153" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 11:53:45 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20181001.090836.195350082384169070.mbj@tail-f.com> Cc: General Area Review Team , draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis.all@ietf.org, netconf@ietf.org To: Martin Bjorklund , Erik Kline References: <153034650620.26529.10990280643529917972@ietfa.amsl.com> <20181001.090836.195350082384169070.mbj@tail-f.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] [Gen-art] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis-06 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 15:53:54 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_734B9BE9-534A-41F3-B6B8-D6F532E02153 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Erik, thanks for your review. Martin, thanks for your response. I agree = that =E2=80=9Cchecksum=E2=80=9D is a misnomer here and don=E2=80=99t = really understand why it was picked, but at least the text explains that = it isn=E2=80=99t a checksum. I entered a No Objection ballot. Alissa > On Oct 1, 2018, at 3:08 AM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > Thank you for your review! Comments inline. >=20 > Erik Kline > wrote: >> Reviewer: Erik Kline >> Review result: Ready >>=20 >> I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area >> Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed >> by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just >> like any other last call comments. >>=20 >> For more information, please see the FAQ at >>=20 >> . >>=20 >> Document: draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis-06 >> Reviewer: Erik Kline >> Review Date: 2018-06-30 >> IETF LC End Date: 2018-06-28 >> IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat >>=20 >> Summary: ready >>=20 >> Major issues: none >>=20 >> Minor issues: none >>=20 >> Nits/editorial comments:=20 >>=20 >> Conceptually, the "checksum" isn't a checksum so much as just a = unique >> identifier. The text in Section 3 text generally seems to acknowledge >> this (even using checksum in quotation marks), and so I'm left = wondering >> whether "checksum" is really the best name. >>=20 >> I've no strong opinion, just this observation, and nothing that = should >> impede this document (I assume bike-shedding may have already = occurred). >=20 > Yes; this used to be called just an "identifier", but people found it > confusing and it was always referred to as the checksum... >=20 >> Section 2, item 4 "more than one datastores" -> "more than one = datastore". >=20 > Fixed. >=20 >> Section 4, I believe ietf-datastores reference can be updated to RFC = 8342, >> if I understand things correctly. >=20 > Fixed. >=20 >> Section 4, Author list entry for Rob Wilton lacks "mailto:" before = the >> email address. >=20 > Fixed. >=20 >=20 >=20 > /martin >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gen-art mailing list > Gen-art@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gen-art = --Apple-Mail=_734B9BE9-534A-41F3-B6B8-D6F532E02153 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Erik,= thanks for your review. Martin, thanks for your response. I agree that = =E2=80=9Cchecksum=E2=80=9D is a misnomer here and don=E2=80=99t really = understand why it was picked, but at least the text explains that it = isn=E2=80=99t a checksum. I entered a No Objection ballot.

Alissa

On Oct 1, 2018, at 3:08 AM, Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com> = wrote:

Hi,

Thank you for your review! =  Comments inline.

Erik Kline <ek=3D40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
Reviewer: Erik Kline
Review result: Ready

I am the = assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area
Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being = processed
by the IESG for the IETF Chair.  Please = treat these comments just
like any other last call = comments.

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Document: draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis-06
Reviewer: Erik Kline
Review Date: 2018-06-30
IETF LC End Date: 2018-06-28
IESG Telechat = date: Not scheduled for a telechat

Summary: = ready

Major issues: none

Minor issues: none

Nits/editorial = comments: 

Conceptually, the "checksum" isn't a checksum = so much as just a unique
identifier. The text in Section 3 = text generally seems to acknowledge
this (even using = checksum in quotation marks), and so I'm left wondering
whether "checksum" is really the best name.

I've no strong opinion, just this observation, and nothing = that should
impede this document (I assume bike-shedding = may have already occurred).

Yes; this used to be called just = an "identifier", but people found it
confusing and it was always referred to as the = checksum...

Section= 2, item 4 "more than one datastores" -> "more than one = datastore".

Fixed.

Section 4, I believe ietf-datastores = reference can be updated to RFC 8342,
if I understand = things correctly.

Fixed.

Section 4, Author list entry for Rob = Wilton lacks "mailto:" before the
email address.

Fixed.



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Changes made as described in-line. > From: Martin Bjorklund, October 10, 2018 5:15 AM >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I think this document is ready for publication. Some minor comments belo= w. > And note a bug in SN as well. >=20 >=20 > o section 4 >=20 > OLD: >=20 > The "encode-xml" feature of > [I-D.draft-ietf-netconf-subscribed-notifications] is mandatory to > support. >=20 > NEW: >=20 > The "encode-xml" feature of > [I-D.draft-ietf-netconf-subscribed-notifications] MUST be > supported. Updated > o section 7 >=20 > Also, it seems this text starts a itemized list, but it probably > should not be a list: >=20 > o In case of error responses to an "establish-subscription" or Updated > o section A.2.2 >=20 > Bad xmlns: >=20 > OLD: >=20 > xmlns=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-yang-push"> > > > 3000 > > > >=20 > NEW: > > xmlns=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-yang-push"> > > 3000 > > > Updated > o A.3.1 >=20 > The example has: >=20 > "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-netconf-subscribed-notifications"> > nsn:netconf > >=20 > There is no transport "netconf" defined in SN, so this is broken. Updated. =20 > But this illustrates a problem with SN; the "transport" leaf is mandato= ry if the > feature "configured" is supported. The problem is that just b/c a serve= r > supports the "configured" feature, it doesn't mean that there is an iden= tity > defined for all transports; e.g., there is no identity defined for NETCO= NF. So > the leaf "transport" > should probably not be mandatory. Made optional within the SN grouping "subscription-policy", and tweaked the= definition as follows: leaf transport { if-feature "configured"; type transport; description "For a configured subscription, this leaf specifies the=20 transport used to deliver messages destined to all receivers=20 of that subscription."; } Also in SN, refined the definition of: +--rw subscriptions +--rw subscription* [id] +--rw transport =20 To: refine "transport" { description "For a configured subscription, this leaf specifies the=20 transport used to deliver messages destined to all =20 receivers of that subscription. This object is mandatory for subscriptions in the configuration datastore." } > o A.4 >=20 > Namespace and XPath errors: >=20 > OLD: >=20 > > /vrrp-protocol-error-event[protocol-error-reason=3D"checksum-error"= ] > >=20 > NEW: >=20 > > /vrrp:vrrp-protocol-error-event[ > vrrp:protocol-error-reason=3D"vrrp:checksum-error"] > Update made > o Spelling of XPath >=20 > s/xpath filter/XPath filter/ (a couple of places) Found one. Fixed. =20 > OLD: >=20 > This section provides examples which illustrate both xpath and >=20 > NEW: >=20 > This section provides examples which illustrate both XPath and fixed > OLD: >=20 > Establishing a subscription error reason via XPATH >=20 > NEW: >=20 > Establishing a subscription error reason via XPath Fixed. 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draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis@ietf.org, Mahesh Jethanandani , netconf-chairs@ietf.org, mjethanandani@gmail.com, netconf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.86.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <153920274822.5771.13782269202268288262.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 13:19:08 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Netconf] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis-06: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 20:19:14 -0000 Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis-06: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Just a few minor comments: Substantive Comments: §2, 2nd bullet: "Each YANG module and submodule within the library SHOULD have a revision." Why not MUST? Does it ever make sense not to have a revision? What are the consequences? Editorial Comments: §1, last paragraph: Missing article before "YANG Library" in first sentence. §2, list item 1: "Efficient for a client to consume." - sentence fragment. -- List item 3: Why is "NOT" in all-caps? -- List item 6: The first sentence, while not technically a fragment, seems to use an understood "you" as the subject. I doubt that is the intent. From nobody Wed Oct 10 17:59:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietf.org Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A32E4130DDC; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 17:59:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Adam Roach To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis@ietf.org, Mahesh Jethanandani , netconf-chairs@ietf.org, mjethanandani@gmail.com, netconf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.86.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <153921956365.5895.2867315554651220798.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 17:59:23 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Netconf] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis-06: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 00:59:24 -0000 Adam Roach has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis-06: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for the work everyone did on this document. ID Nits reports: ** Obsolete normative reference: RFC 5246 (Obsoleted by RFC 8446) ** Obsolete normative reference: RFC 6536 (Obsoleted by RFC 8341) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Page 16: > leaf checksum { > type string; > mandatory true; > description > "A server-generated checksum of the contents of the > 'yang-library' tree. The server MUST change the value of > this leaf if the information represented by the > 'yang-library' tree, except 'yang-library/checksum', has > changed."; I suspect that changing the name of this node in the tree would be disruptive at this point in time, but this is clearly not a checksum ("There is no requirement that the same information always results in the same 'checksum' value"). I would suggest updating the description to use the term "version identifier" or something similar. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- §8.2: > [RFC8340] Bjorklund, M. and L. Berger, Ed., "YANG Tree Diagrams", > BCP 215, RFC 8340, DOI 10.17487/RFC8340, March 2018, > . Since this document is required to understand the syntax used in the tree diagrams used by this document, it should be normative rather than informative. From nobody Wed Oct 10 18:02:48 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05A2D130DEB; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 18:02:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.879 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.879 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fyAFjahS9QCV; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 18:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 28871130DDC; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 18:02:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Svantevit.local (99-152-146-228.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.146.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w9B12Suo029394 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 10 Oct 2018 20:02:33 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host 99-152-146-228.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.146.228] claimed to be Svantevit.local From: Adam Roach To: The IESG Cc: mjethanandani@gmail.com, netconf@ietf.org, draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis@ietf.org, netconf-chairs@ietf.org References: <153921956365.5895.2867315554651220798.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Message-ID: <950a89a7-3626-efc6-cb36-37ca6b1b9396@nostrum.com> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 20:02:23 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <153921956365.5895.2867315554651220798.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis-06: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 01:02:40 -0000 On 10/10/18 7:59 PM, Adam Roach wrote: > > §8.2: > >> [RFC8340] Bjorklund, M. and L. Berger, Ed., "YANG Tree Diagrams", >> BCP 215, RFC 8340, DOI 10.17487/RFC8340, March 2018, >> . > Since this document is required to understand the syntax used in the tree > diagrams used by this document, it should be normative rather than informative. > > I just realized that my comment above is unreadably ambiguous. What I meant to say was: Since RFC 8340 is required to understand the syntax used in the tree diagrams in draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis, RFC 8340 should be normative rather than informative. /a From nobody Wed Oct 10 18:09:22 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E54130DF0 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 18:09:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iGCmVO1X5rIw for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 18:09:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47312130DDC for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 18:09:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LHREML711-CAH.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 89D36411E5A24 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 02:09:13 +0100 (IST) Received: from NKGEML414-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.75) by LHREML711-CAH.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.34) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.399.0; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 02:09:14 +0100 Received: from NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::a54a:89d2:c471:ff]) by nkgeml414-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.75]) with mapi id 14.03.0399.000; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 09:09:09 +0800 From: Tianran Zhou To: "Eric Voit (evoit)" , Kent Watsen , "netconf@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WGLC on netconf-event-notifications-13 Thread-Index: AQHUXC8cbkWCNEfz8kWboGz592BIZKUXwePggADIfdCAALquMA== Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 01:09:08 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.156.116] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] WGLC on netconf-event-notifications-13 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 01:09:20 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Voit (evoit) [mailto:evoit@cisco.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 10:11 PM > To: Tianran Zhou ; Kent Watsen > ; netconf@ietf.org > Subject: RE: WGLC on netconf-event-notifications-13 >=20 > > From: Tianran Zhou, October 9, 2018 10:07 PM > > > > Hi, > > > > I have reviewed this document, and think it's OK to move forward. > > > > Only one thing, I am a little lost in the following paragraph. > > " Each error identity will be inserted as the "error-app-tag" using > > JSON encoding following the form :. An > > example of such as valid encoding would be "ietf-subscribed- > > notifications:no-such-subscription". " > > > > I do not know why "JSON encoding" is mentioned here. > > : is not JSON like. >=20 > Thanks for the comment Tianran. In that paragraph we are saying that a = way > of encoding is needed to uniquely identify a specific identity within the > module.=20 That's what I understood. As you point out, It is true that there are not quotes around the > "" and "". So you are right that it is not > exactly JSON like (although there is some similarity). >=20 > To remove the confusion, I just eliminated the text "using JSON encoding"= . > Is that sufficient for you? Yes, thanks. Tianran > Eric >=20 >=20 > > Regards, > > Tianran > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Kent > > > Watsen > > > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 6:11 AM > > > To: netconf@ietf.org > > > Subject: [Netconf] WGLC on netconf-event-notifications-13 > > > > > > This message starts a Last Call on > > > draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-notifications-13 (a.k.a. > > > "netconf-notif"): > > > > > > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-notific > > > at > > > io > > > ns-13 > > > > > > This, along with the restconf-notif Last Call, started in a separate > > > message, marks the last of the last calls on the yang push suite of > > > drafts. As explained before, given the size and number of documents, > > > the chairs decided to break the reviews up into pieces so as to get > > > focus on each in turn. We chose to go top-down, starting with > > > yang-push and ending with the "notif" drafts. We plan to submit the > > > drafts > > for publication when they are ready as a collective. > > > The goal is to do all this prior to IETF 103. > > > > > > While it's always nice to receive messages of support, at this time, > > > the question isn't so much if the working group supports the work > > > than if the document is ready to progress. The chairs need to see > > > reviews that indicate thorough end-to-end reading of the text. Of > > > course, if there are any objections, these should be brought forward = now > as well. > > > > > > The current version (-13) of this draft was published on Oct 4th (tod= ay). > > > The datatracker page for the draft is here: > > > > > > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-no > > > ti > > > fi > > > cations. > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Kent (and Mahesh) > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Netconf mailing list > > > Netconf@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Netconf mailing list > > Netconf@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf From nobody Wed Oct 10 18:46:15 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0AB2130DF9 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 18:46:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xUtyKkFY4xpK for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 18:46:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11D0D130DF6 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 18:46:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml709-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id B32E4D8BBB543 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 02:46:08 +0100 (IST) Received: from NKGEML413-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.74) by lhreml709-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.32) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.399.0; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 02:45:24 +0100 Received: from NKGEML513-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.200]) by NKGEML413-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.74]) with mapi id 14.03.0399.000; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 09:45:12 +0800 From: Qin Wu To: "netconf@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Netconf] WGLC on netconf-event-notifications-13 Thread-Index: AQHUXC8cbkWCNEfz8kWboGz592BIZKUXtPCAgAB9oICAARuu4A== Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 01:45:12 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.138.33.244] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [Netconf] WGLC on netconf-event-notifications-13 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 01:46:14 -0000 Hi: I have read the latest version of netconf event notification and believe it= is ready for publication, here is a few comments: 1. Section 5 The first sentence in paragraph 1 discuss how to encode notification messag= es over NETCONF protocol,=20 but it is not clear how to encode notification messages transported over RE= STCONF protocol? additional text to clarify? For second paragraph, I think we should emphasize all notifications and RPC= are carried in the same session, how about the following proprosed text: " For dynamic subscriptions, all notification messages MUST be sent in a same NETCONF transport session used by the "establish-subscription" RPC. " 2. Section 7, paragraph 2 and paragraph 2, the 1st bullet: Why JSON encoding is underlined? Why is limited to XML encoding? 3.Section 7 paragraph 2, the 1st bullet: "In case of error responses to an "establish-subscription" or "modify-subscription" request there is the option of including an "error-info" node." Where "error-info" node is included? element? " The yang-data included within "error-info" SHOULD NOT include the optional leaf "error-reason", as such a leaf would be redundant with information that is already placed within the "error-app-tag". " where yang-data included in "error-info" defined? I only see something simi= lar defined in RFC8040 for error-info. -Qin From nobody Wed Oct 10 19:11:04 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D1C130E14 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 19:10:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a7ZRERHsALDm for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 19:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 00E8F130E3F for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 19:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml707-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id A3365403C1FF9 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 03:10:46 +0100 (IST) Received: from DGGEML423-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.1.199.40) by lhreml707-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.48) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.399.0; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 03:10:47 +0100 Received: from DGGEML510-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.22]) by dggeml423-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.1.199.40]) with mapi id 14.03.0399.000; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 10:10:37 +0800 From: Rohit R Ranade To: Alexander Clemm , "'netconf@ietf.org'" Thread-Topic: [Netconf] Comments on Yang-push-18 //RE: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push-18.txt Thread-Index: AQHURLV8jIgnhgVF1EWHjzKvGxWUnqTq0XIQgC6zLFA= Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 02:10:37 +0000 Message-ID: <991B70D8B4112A4699D5C00DDBBF878A6BC563D7@dggeml510-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <991B70D8B4112A4699D5C00DDBBF878A6BC192DD@dggeml530-mbs.china.huawei.com> <644DA50AFA8C314EA9BDDAC83BD38A2E0EB5C6FA@sjceml521-mbs.china.huawei.com> <991B70D8B4112A4699D5C00DDBBF878A6BC31BD4@dggeml510-mbx.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <991B70D8B4112A4699D5C00DDBBF878A6BC31BD4@dggeml510-mbx.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.18.150.121] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] Comments on Yang-push-18 //RE: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push-18.txt X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 02:11:02 -0000 Hi Alex, I think the below mail got missed somehow.=20 For the scenario that yang-push send sending "delete", when "create" and "d= elete" has happened within a dampening time, one more reason for not prefer= ring this way is that we are robbing one of the validation checks that a cl= ient can do. For example, in above scenario when a "delete" is received by client, clie= nt sees that there was no record in its local-db and client has no way to k= now whether actually a "create" notification was dropped / not-received fro= m the server. -----Original Message----- From: Rohit R Ranade=20 Sent: 11 September 2018 14:43 To: Alexander Clemm ; netconf@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Netconf] Comments on Yang-push-18 //RE: I-D Action: draft-iet= f-netconf-yang-push-18.txt Hi Alex, I agree with your replies for most of the comments and those comments have = been removed in the text blow. Some comments which I feel need more discuss= ion are kept below. > 4. Section 3.5.2 > "To support this, it is valid to encode a YANG patch operation so=20 > that its application would result > in no change between the previous and current state. This indicates > that some churn has occurred on the object. An example of this would > be a patch that does a "create" operation for a datastore node where > the receiver believes one already exists, or a "replace" operation > which replaces a previous value with the same value." >=20 > Some points here need more clarification. > a. If there is no change, but only a churn then why is it=20 > important to send this object in a YANG push ? What is the benefit ? It indicates the fact that churn has occurred. Basically, it allows = a client to recognize that the value has not been static/unchanged, but did= undergo some kind of oscillation. The benefits to only indicate the last = change is per the dampening period (reduce bandwidth and CPU). =20 [Rohit]: I am still not clear which scenario this is trying to solve. Some = devices maybe track only the differences and don't want to handle this spec= ial scenario. Such devices may not want to implement this feature. > b. If there was a "create" and "delete" on object X, within a=20 > dampening period, then what will be the patch record operation ? We would send a delete. (even if the object did not exist originally). We= should indicate this actually. Adding the following to the same item:=20 " In case the changes involve creating a new datastore node, then deleting = it, the YANG patch record will indicate deletion of the datastore node. Si= milarly, in case the changes involve deleting a new datastore node, then re= creating it, the YANG patch record will indicate creation of the datastore = node." [Rohit] : Why would the client be interested in a "delete" of a record X, w= hen such a record X did not exist in its previous sync ?=20 > 12. Section 3.9 > "If read access into previously accessible nodes has been lost due to > a receiver permissions change, this SHOULD be reported as a patch > "delete" operation for on-change subscriptions." > I think we should not have such mechanisms. If a user does not have=20 > access, we should not try to evaluate what was the last update sent > to such user, and how to send a subsequent patch which will=20 > stabilize the user's DB due to the access-control changes. >=20 I can see your point; that said I think one can argue to keep things= as-is. When a receiver can no longer access a datastore node, the node ha= s effectively "disappeared" to the receiver. By keeping it, the receiver w= ill be under the illusion of no change even when the value does change. Th= is might cause a receiver to "not trust" a subscription any more and start = polling, which is something we would absolutely want to avoid. So, I prefe= r to keep things as they are. Alternatively, an implementation may always= delete the subscription / force subscription reestablishment. =20 --- Alex [Rohit] " receiver will be under the illusion of no change even when the va= lue does change." Since the receiver has no permission, the receiver will = not know that indeed there was a change in value. So if the receiver alread= y had got the record on a path in its previous sync, if now the NACM rules = got applied, the receiver will never receive any other update on that path,= which would have been the purpose of adding the NACM rules. With Regards, Rohit R Ranade -----Original Message----- From: Alexander Clemm Sent: 05 September 2018 06:42 To: Rohit R Ranade ; netconf@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Netconf] Comments on Yang-push-18 //RE: I-D Action: draft-iet= f-netconf-yang-push-18.txt Hi Rohit,=20 thank you for the comments! I am in the process of incorporating them into= -19, which I hope to post by Thursday. Replies to your items inline. --- Alex > -----Original Message----- > From: Netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Rohit R=20 > Ranade > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 10:01 PM > To: netconf@ietf.org > Subject: [Netconf] Comments on Yang-push-18 //RE: I-D Action:=20 > draft-ietf- netconf-yang-push-18.txt >=20 > Hi All, >=20 >=20 > 1. In Section 3.3 > The whole para from "To avoid flooding receivers .. the last change=20 > will still be sent." looks like a repetition > of Section 3.1 , description of "Dampening period" >=20 3.1 describes the model, while 3.3 discusses the considerations behi= nd it and provides additional explanation. While the explanation may be re= dundant, we felt it is still useful to explain the rational. Hence we woul= d like to keep it. =20 > 2. Section 3.3, Point 4 > "insert into the YANG patch record the last change made for any=20 > object which otherwise wouldn't have appeared." > I am not able to understand this statement clearly. Can this=20 > statement be simplified ? Rephrasing it as follows: " insert into the YANG patch record the last chan= ge made, even if the new value is no different from the original value (sin= ce changes that were made in the interim were canceled out)." >=20 > 3. Section 3.5.2 > The para "A publisher will indicate a change to the effect ... this by = a > "move" operation." > This is already defined in the YANG Patch RFC right ? What is the=20 > need to define this again in this RFC ? The patch is generated by the publisher, not by the client. In that= sense, we use it a bit different from RFC 8072. We thought it will be use= ful in the interest of greater clarity to explain it. So, while it would b= e possible to editorially tighten, again we would like to keep it. =20 >=20 > 4. Section 3.5.2 > "To support this, it is valid to encode a YANG patch operation so=20 > that its application would result > in no change between the previous and current state. This indicates > that some churn has occurred on the object. An example of this would > be a patch that does a "create" operation for a datastore node where > the receiver believes one already exists, or a "replace" operation > which replaces a previous value with the same value." >=20 > Some points here need more clarification. > a. If there is no change, but only a churn then why is it=20 > important to send this object in a YANG push ? What is the benefit ? It indicates the fact that churn has occurred. Basically, it allows = a client to recognize that the value has not been static/unchanged, but did= undergo some kind of oscillation. The benefits to only indicate the last = change is per the dampening period (reduce bandwidth and CPU). =20 > b. If there was a "create" and "delete" on object X, within a=20 > dampening period, then what will be the patch record operation ? We would send a delete. (even if the object did not exist originally). We= should indicate this actually. Adding the following to the same item:=20 " In case the changes involve creating a new datastore node, then deleting = it, the YANG patch record will indicate deletion of the datastore node. Si= milarly, in case the changes involve deleting a new datastore node, then re= creating it, the YANG patch record will indicate creation of the datastore = node." > c. s/patch that does a "create" operation /patch that indicates a "cr= eate" > operation ? Patch can indicate the operation not do it. changed "does" do "indicates" /ALEX> >=20 > 5. Section 3.7 > "the counter MUST be reset to '1' the after passing a maximum value=20 > of '4294967295'" > s/reset to '1' the after passing/reset to '1' after passing >=20 changed > 6. Section 3.7 Figure 2: Push example for on change > The "yang-patch" should be under the namespace=20 > "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-yang-patch" >=20 changed > 7. In the ietf-yang-push, tree diagram > " > +--ro datastore-changes? > +--ro ypatch:yang-patch > +--ro patch-id string > " > There looks to be an indentation problem for "ypatch:yang-patch" >=20 changed (apparently somewhere a tab character sneaked into the .xml,= which was not rendered correctly) > 8. resynch-subscription-error > I feel "sync" is a better abbreviation than "synch" for=20 > synchronization, because when reading this name, we may > not pronounce this correctly or read correctly. I also feel=20 > "re-sync" is better when compared to "resync" >=20 Hmm. This will also require to change the name of RPCs, and everywh= ere else the term "sync(h)" is used. I agree that while not a major item, = this would have been a better choice, so I am applying the change throughou= t. =20 > 9. Section 3.9. > "since the last notification message was sent to a particular each rec= eiver.". > s/sent to a particular each receiver/sent to a particular receiver >=20 changed >=20 > 10. Section 3.9 > "To accomplish this, implementations SHOULD support the > conceptual authorization model of [RFC8341], specifically section 3.2.= 4.". > The link to section 3.2.4 seems to be broken as it is taking the=20 > reader to the YANG Push draft and not to NACM >=20 Yes indeed, I see it. Interestingly this is autogenerated in the .h= tml version (and only there), the XML source does not include a link. I am= not sure how to change it. Note for the RFC Editor? > 11. Section 3.9 > I think here "access-protected data", is used to indicate that the=20 > receiver has "no access". I think this is misleading. > "access-protected data" means that there are NACM rules to protect=20 > the data. Maybe we can replace it with "access-denied data" ? >=20 Rephrased the passages in question as follows: " A publisher MUST al= low for the possibility that a subscription's selection filter references n= on-existent data or data that the receiver is not allowed to access." and "= A publisher MAY choose to reject an establish-subscription request which s= elects non-existent data or data that a receiver is not allowed to access. = " > 12. Section 3.9 > "If read access into previously accessible nodes has been lost due to > a receiver permissions change, this SHOULD be reported as a patch > "delete" operation for on-change subscriptions." > I think we should not have such mechanisms. If a user does not have=20 > access, we should not try to evaluate what was the last update sent > to such user, and how to send a subsequent patch which will=20 > stabilize the user's DB due to the access-control changes. >=20 I can see your point; that said I think one can argue to keep things= as-is. When a receiver can no longer access a datastore node, the node ha= s effectively "disappeared" to the receiver. By keeping it, the receiver w= ill be under the illusion of no change even when the value does change. Th= is might cause a receiver to "not trust" a subscription any more and start = polling, which is something we would absolutely want to avoid. So, I prefe= r to keep things as they are. Alternatively, an implementation may always= delete the subscription / force subscription reestablishment. =20 --- Alex >=20 > With Regards, > Rohit R Ranade >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-=20 > drafts@ietf.org > Sent: 29 August 2018 06:24 > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: netconf@ietf.org > Subject: [Netconf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push-18.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. > This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration WG of the IETF. >=20 > Title : YANG Datastore Subscription > Authors : Alexander Clemm > Eric Voit > Alberto Gonzalez Prieto > Ambika Prasad Tripathy > Einar Nilsen-Nygaard > Andy Bierman > Balazs Lengyel > Filename : draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push-18.txt > Pages : 57 > Date : 2018-08-28 >=20 > Abstract: > Via the mechanism described in this document, subscriber applications > may request a continuous, customized stream of updates from a YANG > datastore. Providing such visibility into updates enables new > capabilities based on the remote mirroring and monitoring of > configuration and operational state. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push-18 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push-18 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-netconf-yang-push-18 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of=20 > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.iet= f.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Netconf mailing list > Netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Netconf mailing list > Netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf From nobody Wed Oct 10 19:24:55 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CECD130E21 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 19:24:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h2iq7zYdqBGZ for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 19:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 400EE130E37 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 19:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml701-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 2F197D528AD09 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 03:24:40 +0100 (IST) Received: from NKGEML411-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.70) by lhreml701-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.42) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.399.0; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 03:24:41 +0100 Received: from NKGEML513-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.200]) by nkgeml411-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.70]) with mapi id 14.03.0399.000; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 10:24:37 +0800 From: Qin Wu To: "netconf@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Netconf] WGLC on restconf-notif-08 Thread-Index: AQHUXC8dqc/ZdIehM0Ol7lZ9+zKBhqUX3vCAgAF7cNA= Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 02:24:38 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.138.33.244] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [Netconf] WGLC on restconf-notif-08 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 02:24:54 -0000 Hi, I have read the latest version of restconf-notif-08 and have the following = comments: 1. Section 3 " Subscribing to event streams is accomplished in this way via a RESTCONF POST into RPCs defined within [I-D.draft-ietf-netconf-subscribed-notifications] Section 2.4. " hard to understand this sentence, what do we mean "via RESTCONF POST into R= PCs"? in which way? 2.section 3 I think this section explain why POST is used instead of GET for URI retiev= al. Suggest the following change: " As described in [RFC8040] Section 6.3, a GET needs to be made against a specific URI on the publisher. Subscribers cannot pre-determine the URI against which a subscription might exist on a publisher, as the URI will only exist after the "establish-subscription" RPC has been accepted. Therefore The POST for the "establish-subscription" RPC = replaces the GET request for the "location" leaf which is used in [RFC8040] to obtain the URI. When The subscription URI is determined and sent as part of the response to the "establish-subscription" RPC, and a subsequent GET to this URI will be done in order to start the flow of notification messages back to the subscriber. A subscription does not move to the active state as per Section 2.4.1. of [I-D.draft-ietf-netconf-subscribed-notifications] until the GET is received. =20 " 3. Section 3.2 Is there any reason not reuse streams defined in ietf-restconf-monitoring.y= ang in [RFC6520]? 4.Section 3.3 Why JSON encoding is emphasized? what about XML encoding? " Note that "error-path" does not need to be included with the "rpc- error" element, as subscription errors are generally not associated with nodes in the datastore but with the choice of RPC input parameters. " not sure I understand this, is this difference between NETCONF and RESTCONF= ? RESTCONF server doesn't support NETCONF protocol or datastore? 5.Section 3.4 " In addition to an RPC response for a "modify-subscription" RPC traveling over (a), a "subscription-modified" state change notification must be sent within (b).=20 " Does this contradict with the statement in subscrbed notification draft " unlike [RFC5277], this document enables a single transport session to intermix notification messages and RPCs for different subscriptions. " confused. -Qin From nobody Thu Oct 11 00:25:42 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2CF9130E45 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 00:25:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FwDRzBL3gPCE for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 00:25:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B8B1130E3A for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 00:25:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [173.38.220.61]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7B3CD1AE0310; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 09:25:39 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 09:25:39 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20181011.092539.1869235859078328014.mbj@tail-f.com> To: evoit@cisco.com Cc: netconf@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: References: <20181010.111455.977252154629241283.mbj@tail-f.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.7 on Emacs 24.5 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] WGLC on netconf-event-notifications-13 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 07:25:42 -0000 Hi, Thanks for fixing these issues. Two comments, trimming: "Eric Voit (evoit)" wrote: > Thanks very much Martin. Changes made as described in-line. > > > From: Martin Bjorklund, October 10, 2018 5:15 AM [...] > > But this illustrates a problem with SN; the "transport" leaf is > > mandatory if the feature "configured" is supported. The problem > > is that just b/c a server supports the "configured" feature, it > > doesn't mean that there is an identity defined for all transports; > > e.g., there is no identity defined for NETCONF. So the leaf > > "transport" should probably not be mandatory. > > Made optional within the SN grouping "subscription-policy", and > tweaked the definition as follows: > > leaf transport { > if-feature "configured"; > type transport; > description > "For a configured subscription, this leaf specifies the > transport used to deliver messages destined to all receivers > of that subscription."; > } Is the intention that this leaf is not present in the operational state for dynamic subscriptions? If so, I think this should be explicitly stated. [...] > > o Spelling of XPath > > > > s/xpath filter/XPath filter/ (a couple of places) > > Found one. Fixed. In A.2.2: seen, the modifications being attempted are the application of a new xpath filter as well as the setting of a new periodic time interval. In A.4: For more examples of xpath filters, see [XPATH]. /martin From nobody Thu Oct 11 00:40:40 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26D61130E07 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 00:40:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v6a3xdR7S0or for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 00:40:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas5.jacobs-university.de (atlas5.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 68B04130DE1 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 00:40:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas5.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A96DE05; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 09:40:35 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas5.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.217]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id G0RyofVdqvkE; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 09:40:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by atlas5.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 09:40:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.49]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 152C920036; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 09:40:35 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fLbc-QcMRyl9; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 09:40:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from exchange.jacobs-university.de (sxchmb04.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.156]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "exchange.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A5FF20037; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 09:40:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from anna.localdomain (10.50.218.117) by sxchmb03.jacobs.jacobs-university.de (10.70.0.155) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.1.1415.2; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 09:40:34 +0200 Received: by anna.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 501) id D1C2E3000E1B42; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 09:40:33 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 09:40:33 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Martin Bjorklund CC: , Message-ID: <20181011074033.nvoji4wm66jcryzs@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Mail-Followup-To: Martin Bjorklund , evoit@cisco.com, netconf@ietf.org References: <20181010.111455.977252154629241283.mbj@tail-f.com> <20181011.092539.1869235859078328014.mbj@tail-f.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20181011.092539.1869235859078328014.mbj@tail-f.com> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 X-ClientProxiedBy: SXCHMB01.jacobs.jacobs-university.de (10.70.0.120) To sxchmb03.jacobs.jacobs-university.de (10.70.0.155) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] WGLC on netconf-event-notifications-13 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 07:40:39 -0000 On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 09:25:39AM +0200, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > > > But this illustrates a problem with SN; the "transport" leaf is > > > mandatory if the feature "configured" is supported. The problem > > > is that just b/c a server supports the "configured" feature, it > > > doesn't mean that there is an identity defined for all transports; > > > e.g., there is no identity defined for NETCONF. So the leaf > > > "transport" should probably not be mandatory. > > > > Made optional within the SN grouping "subscription-policy", and > > tweaked the definition as follows: > > > > leaf transport { > > if-feature "configured"; > > type transport; > > description > > "For a configured subscription, this leaf specifies the > > transport used to deliver messages destined to all receivers > > of that subscription."; > > } The fix does not seem to address the question nor do I understand how a configured unspecified transport will work. > Is the intention that this leaf is not present in the operational > state for dynamic subscriptions? If so, I think this should be > explicitly stated. I hope there are no special semantics wrt. . /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Thu Oct 11 00:41:25 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D898130E07 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 00:41:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c5o_VjyI49rQ for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 00:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 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Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis-06: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 08:11:19 -0000 Hi, Ben Campbell wrote: > Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis-06: No Objection > = > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all= > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut th= is > introductory paragraph, however.) > = > = > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.= html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > = > = > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis/ > = > = > = > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= - > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= - > = > Just a few minor comments: > = > Substantive Comments: > = > =A72, 2nd bullet: "Each YANG module and submodule within the library > SHOULD have a revision." Why not MUST? Does it ever make sense not > to have a revision? What are the consequences? In YANG, the "revision" is formally optional. (But for IETF modules we have stricter rules that require a revsision.) This bullet is part of the "Objectives" list, so I think we should rephrase it: OLD: o revision: Each YANG module and submodule within the library SHOUL= D have a revision. This is derived from the most recent revision statement within the module or submodule. NEW: o revision: If defined in the YANG module or submodule, the revision is derived from the most recent revision statement within the module or submodule. > Editorial Comments: > = > =A71, last paragraph: Missing article before "YANG Library" in first = sentence. I can't find this. Can you quote the full sentence? = > =A72, list item 1: "Efficient for a client to consume." - sentence fr= agment. NEW: 1. The information must be efficient for a client to consume. > -- List item 3: Why is "NOT" in all-caps? Unclear, now fixed. > -- List item 6: The first sentence, while not technically a fragment,= seems to > use an understood "you" as the subject. I doubt that is the intent. NEW: 6. It must be possible to use the YANG library by schema mount /martin From nobody Thu Oct 11 02:02:24 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92019130DD0; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 02:02:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IbKfBjhBdASe; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 02:02:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34EEF130E5E; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 02:02:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [173.38.220.61]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9332E1AE0310; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 11:02:17 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 11:02:16 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20181011.110216.379747718915955121.mbj@tail-f.com> To: adam@nostrum.com Cc: iesg@ietf.org, draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis@ietf.org, mjethanandani@gmail.com, netconf-chairs@ietf.org, netconf@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: <153921956365.5895.2867315554651220798.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <153921956365.5895.2867315554651220798.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.7 on Emacs 24.5 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis-06: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 09:02:23 -0000 Hi, Adam Roach wrote: > Adam Roach has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis-06: No Objection > = > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all= > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut th= is > introductory paragraph, however.) > = > = > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.= html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > = > = > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis/ > = > = > = > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= - > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= - > = > Thanks for the work everyone did on this document. > = > ID Nits reports: > = > ** Obsolete normative reference: RFC 5246 (Obsoleted by RFC 8446) > ** Obsolete normative reference: RFC 6536 (Obsoleted by RFC 8341) Fixed. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ > = > Page 16: > = > > leaf checksum { > > type string; > > mandatory true; > > description > > "A server-generated checksum of the contents of the > > 'yang-library' tree. The server MUST change the value of= > > this leaf if the information represented by the > > 'yang-library' tree, except 'yang-library/checksum', has > > changed."; > = > I suspect that changing the name of this node in the tree would be di= sruptive > at this point in time, but this is clearly not a checksum ("There is = no > requirement that the same information always results in the same 'che= cksum' > value"). I would suggest updating the description to use the term "ve= rsion > identifier" or something similar. Since so many people brought this up, I will go back to WG and propose a name change for this leaf. "YANG library content version identifier" or "leaf version-id" for short. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ > = > =A78.2: > = > > [RFC8340] Bjorklund, M. and L. Berger, Ed., "YANG Tree Diagrams",= > > BCP 215, RFC 8340, DOI 10.17487/RFC8340, March 2018, > > . > = > Since this document is required to understand the syntax used in the = tree > diagrams used by this document, it should be normative rather than > informative. This has been discussed in the WG (NETMOD, who produced RFC 8340), and the conclusion was to have the tree diagram reference as an Informative reference. The diagrams are a way to illustrate the structure of the YANG module. The YANG module is the authoritative source. You will find this in all YANG RFCs > 8340, and all current drafts. (except I just found that 8341 is missing the reference completely...) /martin From nobody Thu Oct 11 03:28:23 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC3F0130E45 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 03:28:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TVAzhdLlg7dN for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 03:28:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73FB9130E1B for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 03:28:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [173.38.220.61]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B560C1AE0310 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:28:20 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:28:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20181011.122820.1889985185460521508.mbj@tail-f.com> To: netconf@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: <4101090B-394D-4C65-837B-568ECEDCCBB3@juniper.net> References: <4101090B-394D-4C65-837B-568ECEDCCBB3@juniper.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.7 on Emacs 24.5 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] WGLC on restconf-notif-08 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 10:28:23 -0000 Hi, In addition to my previous review, I have one more issue. The document shows examples of how a "stream-xpath-filter" is encoded in JSON. But since there is no way to specify XML namespaces and prefixes in JSON, this doesn't work. I started a thread in NETMOD for this (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/5qRC1VqO58b7vXbNm3DVednpxtY). Depending on the outcome, this document and/or draft-ietf-netconf-subscribed-notification may need updates. /martin From nobody Thu Oct 11 03:46:04 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAFDF130E57 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 03:46:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pr_cwmF_xiz0 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 03:46:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B4DA130DE5 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 03:46:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [173.38.220.61]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9D9C31AE0310 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:46:00 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:46:00 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20181011.124600.2085483972062437440.mbj@tail-f.com> To: netconf@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund X-Mailer: Mew version 6.7 on Emacs 24.5 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Netconf] the name "checksum" in YANG library X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 10:46:03 -0000 Hi, Several reviewers in the IESG have commented that the name "checksum" in YANG library is misleading. It is not really a checksum ('There is no requirement that the same information always results in the same "checksum" value.') So since many people have complained, maybe we should change it. After a quick discussion among (some of the) authors, we suggest that we call it "YANG library content identifier" or "content-id" for short. The changes would be: OLD: o YANG library checksum: A server-generated checksum of the contents of the YANG library. NEW: o YANG library content identifier: A server-generated identifier of the contents of the YANG library. OLD: o The "/yang-library/checksum" leaf contains the YANG library checksum, which is a unique implementation-specific identifier representing the current information in the YANG library on a specific server. NEW: o The "/yang-library/content-id" leaf contains the YANG library content identifier, which is a unique implementation-specific identifier representing the current information in the YANG library on a specific server. ... and various simpler search&replaces. We would also update the schema-mount and netconf-nmda documents to use the new term. Does anyone object to this change? /martin From nobody Thu Oct 11 04:19:07 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A12F2130DD5 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 04:19:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3VgMD9riHqju for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 04:19:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B5221130E4F for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 04:19:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LHREML713-CAH.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id DA901CCBCBC2F for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:18:59 +0100 (IST) Received: from DGGEML405-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.17.49) by LHREML713-CAH.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.36) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.399.0; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:19:01 +0100 Received: from DGGEML510-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.22]) by dggeml405-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.3.17.49]) with mapi id 14.03.0382.000; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 19:18:52 +0800 From: Rohit R Ranade To: Martin Bjorklund , "netconf@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Netconf] the name "checksum" in YANG library Thread-Index: AQHUYU+r+OxuXa+NZUuar3yMev1i1aUZ5GTQ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 11:18:51 +0000 Message-ID: <991B70D8B4112A4699D5C00DDBBF878A6BC567C6@dggeml510-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <20181011.124600.2085483972062437440.mbj@tail-f.com> In-Reply-To: <20181011.124600.2085483972062437440.mbj@tail-f.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.18.150.121] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] the name "checksum" in YANG library X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 11:19:06 -0000 Since this leaf has to change every-time the content of YANG library change= s, "content-modify-count" can also be used which is simple for a server to = implement (just increment when content changes) and also for client or a hu= man reader to understand. -----Original Message----- From: Netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Martin Bjorklu= nd Sent: 11 October 2018 16:16 To: netconf@ietf.org Subject: [Netconf] the name "checksum" in YANG library Hi, Several reviewers in the IESG have commented that the name "checksum" in YANG library is misleading. It is not really a checksum ('There is no r= equirement that the same information always results in the same "checksum" = value.') So since many people have complained, maybe we should change it. After a quick discussion among (some of the) authors, we suggest that we ca= ll it "YANG library content identifier" or "content-id" for short. The changes would be: OLD: o YANG library checksum: A server-generated checksum of the contents of the YANG library. NEW: o YANG library content identifier: A server-generated identifier of the contents of the YANG library. OLD: o The "/yang-library/checksum" leaf contains the YANG library checksum, which is a unique implementation-specific identifier representing the current information in the YANG library on a specific server. NEW: o The "/yang-library/content-id" leaf contains the YANG library content identifier, which is a unique implementation-specific identifier representing the current information in the YANG library on a specific server. .... and various simpler search&replaces. We would also update the schema-mount and netconf-nmda documents to use the= new term. Does anyone object to this change? /martin _______________________________________________ Netconf mailing list Netconf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf From nobody Thu Oct 11 04:31:21 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 411F4130E28 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 04:31:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QJr52yCvKo9P for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 04:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BC53130E1B for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 04:31:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [173.38.220.61]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D5D761AE0310; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 13:31:14 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 13:31:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20181011.133113.643945777606446073.mbj@tail-f.com> To: rohitrranade@huawei.com Cc: netconf@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: <991B70D8B4112A4699D5C00DDBBF878A6BC567C6@dggeml510-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <20181011.124600.2085483972062437440.mbj@tail-f.com> <991B70D8B4112A4699D5C00DDBBF878A6BC567C6@dggeml510-mbx.china.huawei.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.7 on Emacs 24.5 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] the name "checksum" in YANG library X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 11:31:19 -0000 Rohit R Ranade wrote: > Since this leaf has to change every-time the content of YANG library > changes, "content-modify-count" can also be used which is simple for a > server to implement (just increment when content changes) and also for > client or a human reader to understand. But it doesn't have to change everytime, it could very well be implemented as a checksum of the contents. /martin > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Martin > Bjorklund > Sent: 11 October 2018 16:16 > To: netconf@ietf.org > Subject: [Netconf] the name "checksum" in YANG library > > Hi, > > Several reviewers in the IESG have commented that the name "checksum" > in YANG library is misleading. It is not really a checksum ('There is > no requirement that the same information always results in the same > "checksum" value.') > > So since many people have complained, maybe we should change it. > > After a quick discussion among (some of the) authors, we suggest that > we call it "YANG library content identifier" or "content-id" for > short. > > The changes would be: > > OLD: > > o YANG library checksum: A server-generated checksum of the contents > of the YANG library. > > NEW: > > o YANG library content identifier: A server-generated identifier of > the contents of the YANG library. > > > OLD: > > o The "/yang-library/checksum" leaf contains the YANG library > checksum, which is a unique implementation-specific identifier > representing the current information in the YANG library on a > specific server. > > > NEW: > > o The "/yang-library/content-id" leaf contains the YANG library > content identifier, which is a unique implementation-specific > identifier representing the current information in the YANG > library on a specific server. > > > .... and various simpler search&replaces. > > > We would also update the schema-mount and netconf-nmda documents to > use the new term. > > > Does anyone object to this change? > > > > /martin > > _______________________________________________ > Netconf mailing list > Netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > From nobody Thu Oct 11 06:54:55 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F79D130E74 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 06:54:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.956 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.956 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id duo4V0-PCwBb for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 06:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-8.cisco.com (alln-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.142.95]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6EF0A130DD6 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 06:54:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2549; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1539266090; x=1540475690; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=gt9LNsfAk8V2b9+VBzOW2R39ZxNFHWk8OsGJyagfh8k=; b=VlhyY612bceCjxTbu5IkcyuP6RqZ1BDUrEEiBKyjuJ25Kaa8y1kcef4Q jLNyHZZcjwFZImJuukaDrvn6ZN45+uNy8qmZvWIsZ8IHHvfJvkfiM0k1e VL6y6BCSrW1xOWGJDk0ttqV8NqH/1+mmPltSaZrnQ5hOasrMpT3AaTO28 M=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0AHAAB8Vb9b/40NJK1ZCRkBAQEBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBAQEHAQEBAQEBgVMCAQEBAQELAYFZKoFlKAqaRJcAFIFmCwEBhGwChFU?= =?us-ascii?q?hNgsNAQMBAQIBAQJtKIU5AQEBAQIBOj0CBQsCAQgOBwMNERAyJQIEDgUIgk1?= =?us-ascii?q?LgXoIp0qJWYtFF4FBP4ESgxKESwEICgEJhW4ClCaJagkCkEofkBGVawIRFIE?= =?us-ascii?q?lJAsmZHFwFYMnkFVviiOBH4EfAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.54,368,1534809600"; d="scan'208";a="184073490" Received: from alln-core-8.cisco.com ([173.36.13.141]) by alln-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 11 Oct 2018 13:54:49 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-015.cisco.com (xch-rtp-015.cisco.com [64.101.220.155]) by alln-core-8.cisco.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w9BDsnRf019906 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 Oct 2018 13:54:49 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-013.cisco.com (64.101.220.153) by XCH-RTP-015.cisco.com (64.101.220.155) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1395.4; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 09:54:48 -0400 Received: from xch-rtp-013.cisco.com ([64.101.220.153]) by XCH-RTP-013.cisco.com ([64.101.220.153]) with mapi id 15.00.1395.000; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 09:54:48 -0400 From: "Eric Voit (evoit)" To: Martin Bjorklund CC: "netconf@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Netconf] WGLC on netconf-event-notifications-13 Thread-Index: AQHUYHm1PmFXMfKNSkqeZJpjJKWPMKUYhW+wgAFj44CAABUqwA== Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 13:54:48 +0000 Message-ID: <02b883052761429dac02eb99a36c426b@XCH-RTP-013.cisco.com> References: <20181010.111455.977252154629241283.mbj@tail-f.com> <20181011.092539.1869235859078328014.mbj@tail-f.com> In-Reply-To: <20181011.092539.1869235859078328014.mbj@tail-f.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.118.56.234] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 64.101.220.155, xch-rtp-015.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: alln-core-8.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] WGLC on netconf-event-notifications-13 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 13:54:54 -0000 Hi Martin, > From: Martin Bjorklund, October 11, 2018 3:26 AM >=20 > Hi, >=20 > Thanks for fixing these issues. Two comments, trimming: >=20 >=20 > "Eric Voit (evoit)" wrote: > > Thanks very much Martin. Changes made as described in-line. > > > > > From: Martin Bjorklund, October 10, 2018 5:15 AM >=20 > [...] >=20 > > > But this illustrates a problem with SN; the "transport" leaf is > > > mandatory if the feature "configured" is supported. The problem is > > > that just b/c a server supports the "configured" feature, it doesn't > > > mean that there is an identity defined for all transports; e.g., > > > there is no identity defined for NETCONF. So the leaf "transport" > > > should probably not be mandatory. > > > > Made optional within the SN grouping "subscription-policy", and > > tweaked the definition as follows: > > > > leaf transport { > > if-feature "configured"; > > type transport; > > description > > "For a configured subscription, this leaf specifies the > > transport used to deliver messages destined to all receivers > > of that subscription."; > > } >=20 > Is the intention that this leaf is not present in the operational state f= or dynamic > subscriptions? If so, I think this should be explicitly stated. That was the intent with the subsequent part of the earlier email. To imp= rove things, I have added the sentence:=20 "The object should not be present for dynamic subscriptions" to the text. Now the leaf: +--rw subscriptions +--rw subscription* [id] +--rw transport =20 Is defined as: refine "transport" { description "For a configured subscription, this leaf specifies the=20 transport used to deliver messages destined to all =20 receivers of that subscription. This object is mandatory for subscriptions in the configuration datastore. The=20 object should not be present for dynamic subscriptions." } > [...] >=20 > > > o Spelling of XPath > > > > > > s/xpath filter/XPath filter/ (a couple of places) > > > > Found one. Fixed. >=20 > In A.2.2: >=20 > seen, the modifications being attempted are the application of a new > xpath filter as well as the setting of a new periodic time interval. >=20 > In A.4: >=20 > For more examples of xpath filters, see [XPATH]. Fixed this one too. 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Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] WGLC on netconf-event-notifications-13 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 16:13:21 -0000 Hi Juergen, > From: Juergen Schoenwaelder, October 11, 2018 3:41 AM >=20 > On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 09:25:39AM +0200, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > > > > > But this illustrates a problem with SN; the "transport" leaf is > > > > mandatory if the feature "configured" is supported. The problem > > > > is that just b/c a server supports the "configured" feature, it > > > > doesn't mean that there is an identity defined for all transports; > > > > e.g., there is no identity defined for NETCONF. So the leaf > > > > "transport" should probably not be mandatory. > > > > > > Made optional within the SN grouping "subscription-policy", and > > > tweaked the definition as follows: > > > > > > leaf transport { > > > if-feature "configured"; > > > type transport; > > > description > > > "For a configured subscription, this leaf specifies the > > > transport used to deliver messages destined to all receivers > > > of that subscription."; > > > } >=20 > The fix does not seem to address the question nor do I understand how a > configured unspecified transport will work. An unspecified configured transport cannot work without leaf transport popu= lated. That is why there is a refinement to the definition for the Data No= de which appends to the description above: "This object is mandatory for s= ubscriptions in the configuration datastore." =20 > > Is the intention that this leaf is not present in the operational > > state for dynamic subscriptions? If so, I think this should be > > explicitly stated. >=20 > I hope there are no special semantics wrt. . A dynamic subscription does not need to populate "transport". There is not= hing in the model which would stop an implementation from populating this l= eaf should it choose to do so. Thanks, Eric > /js >=20 > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Thu Oct 11 09:33:02 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875F4130EBB for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 09:33:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xht2K_Zeq43a for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 09:32:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas5.jacobs-university.de (atlas5.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9DDE9130E6B for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 09:32:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas5.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39FF1E0A; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 18:32:56 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas5.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.217]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id 85xqJMcD2Cxk; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 18:32:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by atlas5.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 18:32:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (demetrius3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.48]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 195ED20037; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 18:32:56 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HdIck_zF1A-6; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 18:32:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from exchange.jacobs-university.de (SXCHMB02.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.121]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "exchange.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96BD020036; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 18:32:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from anna.localdomain (10.50.218.117) by sxchmb03.jacobs.jacobs-university.de (10.70.0.155) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.1.1415.2; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 18:32:55 +0200 Received: by anna.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 501) id C94403000E3F55; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 18:32:54 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 18:32:54 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: "Eric Voit (evoit)" CC: Martin Bjorklund , "netconf@ietf.org" Message-ID: <20181011163254.csnxrjbyhwoqk2f5@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Mail-Followup-To: "Eric Voit (evoit)" , Martin Bjorklund , "netconf@ietf.org" References: <20181010.111455.977252154629241283.mbj@tail-f.com> <20181011.092539.1869235859078328014.mbj@tail-f.com> <20181011074033.nvoji4wm66jcryzs@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 X-ClientProxiedBy: SXCHMB04.jacobs.jacobs-university.de (10.70.0.156) To sxchmb03.jacobs.jacobs-university.de (10.70.0.155) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] WGLC on netconf-event-notifications-13 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 16:33:00 -0000 On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 04:13:15PM +0000, Eric Voit (evoit) wrote: > Hi Juergen, > > > From: Juergen Schoenwaelder, October 11, 2018 3:41 AM > > > > On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 09:25:39AM +0200, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > > > > > > > But this illustrates a problem with SN; the "transport" leaf is > > > > > mandatory if the feature "configured" is supported. The problem > > > > > is that just b/c a server supports the "configured" feature, it > > > > > doesn't mean that there is an identity defined for all transports; > > > > > e.g., there is no identity defined for NETCONF. So the leaf > > > > > "transport" should probably not be mandatory. > > > > > > > > Made optional within the SN grouping "subscription-policy", and > > > > tweaked the definition as follows: > > > > > > > > leaf transport { > > > > if-feature "configured"; > > > > type transport; > > > > description > > > > "For a configured subscription, this leaf specifies the > > > > transport used to deliver messages destined to all receivers > > > > of that subscription."; > > > > } > > > > The fix does not seem to address the question nor do I understand how a > > configured unspecified transport will work. > > An unspecified configured transport cannot work without leaf transport populated. That is why there is a refinement to the definition for the Data Node which appends to the description above: "This object is mandatory for subscriptions in the configuration datastore." > The original statement was "there is no identity defined for NETCONF". So is there a defined transport identity for NETCONF or not? /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Thu Oct 11 09:41:45 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BA9C130EBB for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 09:41:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r0JwUfI-S7Ea for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 09:41:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com [173.37.86.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 503FB130EB8 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 09:41:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2335; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1539276101; x=1540485701; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=W+WIkJifvBM4peZjHFtNCV9cGGv3Fij/x27vKrFtLDY=; b=D4qpGgw5Go+znxDQu/LsHDshWK7hAuogzffi9+d3huZvdgd2YWOE4w3T HoOcAI4mtXCB4H9jLNDp4KK7VMpoDGj09J1IiRs6P6es+Jqcmb2oWDAwI HMkM6Tjc79BB/AWxnGNyC4osTmzOGSalvRWnc5RWVSuOyq3b8etway1cv E=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0AQAABLfL9b/4wNJK1ZBgMZAQEBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBAQEBBwEBAQEBAYFUAQEBAQEBCwGBWSpmfzKYN4INlxSBZgsBAR+ETQK?= =?us-ascii?q?EVSE3Cg0BAwEBAgEBAm0cDIU5AQEBAQIBOj0CBQkCAgEIDgIFAw0REBsXJQI?= =?us-ascii?q?EDg2CTUsBgXkIp1uJVgUFi0AXgUE/gRKDEoRUEgI3JoURAp4QCQKQSh+QEZV?= =?us-ascii?q?rAhEUgSUzIoFVcBWDKIY1ih+MBYEfAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.54,369,1534809600"; d="scan'208";a="464901026" Received: from alln-core-7.cisco.com ([173.36.13.140]) by rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 11 Oct 2018 16:41:40 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-013.cisco.com (xch-rtp-013.cisco.com [64.101.220.153]) by alln-core-7.cisco.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w9BGfdFQ007375 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 Oct 2018 16:41:40 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-013.cisco.com (64.101.220.153) by XCH-RTP-013.cisco.com (64.101.220.153) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1395.4; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:41:39 -0400 Received: from xch-rtp-013.cisco.com ([64.101.220.153]) by XCH-RTP-013.cisco.com ([64.101.220.153]) with mapi id 15.00.1395.000; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:41:39 -0400 From: "Eric Voit (evoit)" To: Juergen Schoenwaelder CC: Martin Bjorklund , "netconf@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Netconf] WGLC on netconf-event-notifications-13 Thread-Index: AQHUYHm1PmFXMfKNSkqeZJpjJKWPMKUYhW+wgAFj44CAAAQqgIAASHawgABMRwD//74ocA== Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 16:41:39 +0000 Message-ID: <04bac2b6af86439aa785d95354b1eaff@XCH-RTP-013.cisco.com> References: <20181010.111455.977252154629241283.mbj@tail-f.com> <20181011.092539.1869235859078328014.mbj@tail-f.com> <20181011074033.nvoji4wm66jcryzs@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> <20181011163254.csnxrjbyhwoqk2f5@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> In-Reply-To: <20181011163254.csnxrjbyhwoqk2f5@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.118.56.234] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 64.101.220.153, xch-rtp-013.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: alln-core-7.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] WGLC on netconf-event-notifications-13 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 16:41:44 -0000 > From: Juergen Schoenwaelder, October 11, 2018 12:33 PM >=20 > On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 04:13:15PM +0000, Eric Voit (evoit) wrote: > > Hi Juergen, > > > > > From: Juergen Schoenwaelder, October 11, 2018 3:41 AM > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 09:25:39AM +0200, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > But this illustrates a problem with SN; the "transport" leaf > > > > > > is mandatory if the feature "configured" is supported. The > > > > > > problem is that just b/c a server supports the "configured" > > > > > > feature, it doesn't mean that there is an identity defined for > > > > > > all transports; e.g., there is no identity defined for > > > > > > NETCONF. So the leaf "transport" should probably not be mandat= ory. > > > > > > > > > > Made optional within the SN grouping "subscription-policy", and > > > > > tweaked the definition as follows: > > > > > > > > > > leaf transport { > > > > > if-feature "configured"; > > > > > type transport; > > > > > description > > > > > "For a configured subscription, this leaf specifies the > > > > > transport used to deliver messages destined to all receiv= ers > > > > > of that subscription."; > > > > > } > > > > > > The fix does not seem to address the question nor do I understand > > > how a configured unspecified transport will work. > > > > An unspecified configured transport cannot work without leaf transport > populated. That is why there is a refinement to the definition for the D= ata > Node which appends to the description above: "This object is mandatory f= or > subscriptions in the configuration datastore." > > >=20 > The original statement was "there is no identity defined for NETCONF". > So is there a defined transport identity for NETCONF or not? There is not. =20 This identity was extracted from a previous version of SN to a new model in= NETCONF-Notif earlier in the year. When we subsequently removed configure= d subscription support from the NETCONF-Notif draft, we removed the identit= y. Eric > /js >=20 > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Thu Oct 11 12:04:22 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67508130EDA for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:04:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e-IWLXm-Vnuy for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:04:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA963130ED4 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 7955290BE39B3 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 20:04:04 +0100 (IST) Received: from SJCEML703-CHM.china.huawei.com (10.208.112.39) by lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.45) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.399.0; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 20:04:05 +0100 Received: from SJCEML521-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.47]) by SJCEML703-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.5.166]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:03:55 -0700 From: Alexander Clemm To: Rohit R Ranade , "'netconf@ietf.org'" Thread-Topic: [Netconf] Comments on Yang-push-18 //RE: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push-18.txt Thread-Index: AdQ/VLvBsEuHunkySd2q4Mf8WxSa0AFLVWIQAVoS5YAF1fpFgAAUWudQ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 19:03:54 +0000 Message-ID: <644DA50AFA8C314EA9BDDAC83BD38A2E0EB6E98F@sjceml521-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <991B70D8B4112A4699D5C00DDBBF878A6BC192DD@dggeml530-mbs.china.huawei.com> <644DA50AFA8C314EA9BDDAC83BD38A2E0EB5C6FA@sjceml521-mbs.china.huawei.com> <991B70D8B4112A4699D5C00DDBBF878A6BC31BD4@dggeml510-mbx.china.huawei.com> <991B70D8B4112A4699D5C00DDBBF878A6BC563D7@dggeml510-mbx.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <991B70D8B4112A4699D5C00DDBBF878A6BC563D7@dggeml510-mbx.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.193.35.93] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] Comments on Yang-push-18 //RE: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push-18.txt X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 19:04:20 -0000 Hi Rohit, really it is up to the client to determine what they want to subscribe to. = As indicated in the message thread below, sending the delete update (in ca= se of oscillating creates/deletes within periods shorter than then dampenin= g period) will indicate that churn has occurred. The corresponding create = will not have been indicated because it happened within the same dampening = period. If a client wants to receive both, it can do so by using a subscri= ption without dampening and, if only interested in creates and deletes, spe= cify that other changes (e.g. replace or move) should be excluded. A clien= t could also choose to have multiple subscriptions in parallel, one for the= creates/deletes without dampening, another one for the replaces with dampe= ning. =20 Thanks --- Alex > -----Original Message----- > From: Rohit R Ranade > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 7:11 PM > To: Alexander Clemm ; 'netconf@ietf.org' > > Subject: RE: [Netconf] Comments on Yang-push-18 //RE: I-D Action: draft-i= etf- > netconf-yang-push-18.txt >=20 > Hi Alex, >=20 > I think the below mail got missed somehow. >=20 > For the scenario that yang-push send sending "delete", when "create" and > "delete" has happened within a dampening time, one more reason for not > preferring this way is that we are robbing one of the validation checks t= hat a > client can do. >=20 > For example, in above scenario when a "delete" is received by client, cl= ient sees > that there was no record in its local-db and client has no way to know wh= ether > actually a "create" notification was dropped / not-received from the serv= er. >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Rohit R Ranade > Sent: 11 September 2018 14:43 > To: Alexander Clemm ; netconf@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [Netconf] Comments on Yang-push-18 //RE: I-D Action: draft-i= etf- > netconf-yang-push-18.txt >=20 > Hi Alex, >=20 > I agree with your replies for most of the comments and those comments hav= e > been removed in the text blow. Some comments which I feel need more > discussion are kept below. >=20 > > 4. Section 3.5.2 > > "To support this, it is valid to encode a YANG patch operation so > > that its application would result > > in no change between the previous and current state. This indicates > > that some churn has occurred on the object. An example of this woul= d > > be a patch that does a "create" operation for a datastore node where > > the receiver believes one already exists, or a "replace" operation > > which replaces a previous value with the same value." > > > > Some points here need more clarification. > > a. If there is no change, but only a churn then why is it > > important to send this object in a YANG push ? What is the benefit ? >=20 > It indicates the fact that churn has occurred. Basically, it allow= s a client > to recognize that the value has not been static/unchanged, but did underg= o > some kind of oscillation. The benefits to only indicate the last change = is per the > dampening period (reduce bandwidth and CPU). > >=20 > [Rohit]: I am still not clear which scenario this is trying to solve. Som= e devices > maybe track only the differences and don't want to handle this special sc= enario. > Such devices may not want to implement this feature. >=20 > > b. If there was a "create" and "delete" on object X, within a > > dampening period, then what will be the patch record operation ? >=20 > > We would send a delete. (even if the object did not exist originally). = We should > indicate this actually. Adding the following to the same item: > " In case the changes involve creating a new datastore node, then deletin= g it, > the YANG patch record will indicate deletion of the datastore node. Simi= larly, in > case the changes involve deleting a new datastore node, then recreating i= t, the > YANG patch record will indicate creation of the datastore node." > >=20 > [Rohit] : Why would the client be interested in a "delete" of a record X,= when > such a record X did not exist in its previous sync ? >=20 > > 12. Section 3.9 > > "If read access into previously accessible nodes has been lost due to > > a receiver permissions change, this SHOULD be reported as a patch > > "delete" operation for on-change subscriptions." > > I think we should not have such mechanisms. If a user does not have > > access, we should not try to evaluate what was the last update sent > > to such user, and how to send a subsequent patch which will > > stabilize the user's DB due to the access-control changes. > > >=20 > I can see your point; that said I think one can argue to keep thin= gs as-is. > When a receiver can no longer access a datastore node, the node has effec= tively > "disappeared" to the receiver. By keeping it, the receiver will be under= the > illusion of no change even when the value does change. This might cause = a > receiver to "not trust" a subscription any more and start polling, which = is > something we would absolutely want to avoid. So, I prefer to keep things= as > they are. Alternatively, an implementation may always delete the subscr= iption / > force subscription reestablishment. > --- Alex > >=20 > [Rohit] " receiver will be under the illusion of no change even when the = value > does change." Since the receiver has no permission, the receiver will no= t know > that indeed there was a change in value. So if the receiver already had g= ot the > record on a path in its previous sync, if now the NACM rules got applied,= the > receiver will never receive any other update on that path, which would ha= ve > been the purpose of adding the NACM rules. >=20 >=20 > With Regards, > Rohit R Ranade >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Alexander Clemm > Sent: 05 September 2018 06:42 > To: Rohit R Ranade ; netconf@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [Netconf] Comments on Yang-push-18 //RE: I-D Action: draft-i= etf- > netconf-yang-push-18.txt >=20 > Hi Rohit, >=20 > thank you for the comments! I am in the process of incorporating them in= to - > 19, which I hope to post by Thursday. >=20 > Replies to your items inline. >=20 > --- Alex >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Rohit R > > Ranade > > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 10:01 PM > > To: netconf@ietf.org > > Subject: [Netconf] Comments on Yang-push-18 //RE: I-D Action: > > draft-ietf- netconf-yang-push-18.txt > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > 1. In Section 3.3 > > The whole para from "To avoid flooding receivers .. the last change > > will still be sent." looks like a repetition > > of Section 3.1 , description of "Dampening period" > > >=20 > 3.1 describes the model, while 3.3 discusses the considerations be= hind it > and provides additional explanation. While the explanation may be redund= ant, > we felt it is still useful to explain the rational. Hence we would like = to keep it. > >=20 > > 2. Section 3.3, Point 4 > > "insert into the YANG patch record the last change made for any > > object which otherwise wouldn't have appeared." > > I am not able to understand this statement clearly. Can this > > statement be simplified ? >=20 > > Rephrasing it as follows: " insert into the YANG patch record the last ch= ange > made, even if the new value is no different from the original value (sinc= e > changes that were made in the interim were canceled out)." > >=20 > > > > 3. Section 3.5.2 > > The para "A publisher will indicate a change to the effect ... this b= y a > > "move" operation." > > This is already defined in the YANG Patch RFC right ? What is the > > need to define this again in this RFC ? >=20 > The patch is generated by the publisher, not by the client. In th= at sense, > we use it a bit different from RFC 8072. We thought it will be useful in= the > interest of greater clarity to explain it. So, while it would be possibl= e to > editorially tighten, again we would like to keep it. > > > > > 4. Section 3.5.2 > > "To support this, it is valid to encode a YANG patch operation so > > that its application would result > > in no change between the previous and current state. This indicates > > that some churn has occurred on the object. An example of this woul= d > > be a patch that does a "create" operation for a datastore node where > > the receiver believes one already exists, or a "replace" operation > > which replaces a previous value with the same value." > > > > Some points here need more clarification. > > a. If there is no change, but only a churn then why is it > > important to send this object in a YANG push ? What is the benefit ? >=20 > It indicates the fact that churn has occurred. Basically, it allow= s a client > to recognize that the value has not been static/unchanged, but did underg= o > some kind of oscillation. The benefits to only indicate the last change = is per the > dampening period (reduce bandwidth and CPU). > >=20 > > b. If there was a "create" and "delete" on object X, within a > > dampening period, then what will be the patch record operation ? >=20 > > We would send a delete. (even if the object did not exist originally). = We should > indicate this actually. Adding the following to the same item: > " In case the changes involve creating a new datastore node, then deletin= g it, > the YANG patch record will indicate deletion of the datastore node. Simi= larly, in > case the changes involve deleting a new datastore node, then recreating i= t, the > YANG patch record will indicate creation of the datastore node." > >=20 > > c. s/patch that does a "create" operation /patch that indicates a "= create" > > operation ? Patch can indicate the operation not do it. >=20 > changed "does" do "indicates" /ALEX> >=20 > > > > 5. Section 3.7 > > "the counter MUST be reset to '1' the after passing a maximum value > > of '4294967295'" > > s/reset to '1' the after passing/reset to '1' after passing > > >=20 > changed >=20 > > 6. Section 3.7 Figure 2: Push example for on change > > The "yang-patch" should be under the namespace > > "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-yang-patch" > > >=20 > changed >=20 > > 7. In the ietf-yang-push, tree diagram > > " > > +--ro datastore-changes? > > +--ro ypatch:yang-patch > > +--ro patch-id string > > " > > There looks to be an indentation problem for "ypatch:yang-patch" > > >=20 > changed (apparently somewhere a tab character sneaked into the .xm= l, > which was not rendered correctly) >=20 > > 8. resynch-subscription-error > > I feel "sync" is a better abbreviation than "synch" for > > synchronization, because when reading this name, we may > > not pronounce this correctly or read correctly. I also feel > > "re-sync" is better when compared to "resync" > > >=20 > Hmm. This will also require to change the name of RPCs, and > everywhere else the term "sync(h)" is used. I agree that while not a maj= or item, > this would have been a better choice, so I am applying the change through= out. > >=20 > > 9. Section 3.9. > > "since the last notification message was sent to a particular each r= eceiver.". > > s/sent to a particular each receiver/sent to a particular receiver > > >=20 > changed >=20 > > > > 10. Section 3.9 > > "To accomplish this, implementations SHOULD support the > > conceptual authorization model of [RFC8341], specifically section 3.= 2.4.". > > The link to section 3.2.4 seems to be broken as it is taking the > > reader to the YANG Push draft and not to NACM > > >=20 > Yes indeed, I see it. Interestingly this is autogenerated in the = .html > version (and only there), the XML source does not include a link. I am n= ot sure > how to change it. Note for the RFC Editor? > >=20 > > 11. Section 3.9 > > I think here "access-protected data", is used to indicate that the > > receiver has "no access". I think this is misleading. > > "access-protected data" means that there are NACM rules to protect > > the data. Maybe we can replace it with "access-denied data" ? > > >=20 > Rephrased the passages in question as follows: " A publisher MUST = allow > for the possibility that a subscription's selection filter references non= -existent > data or data that the receiver is not allowed to access." and " A publish= er MAY > choose to reject an establish-subscription request which selects non-exis= tent > data or data that a receiver is not allowed to access. " >=20 > > 12. Section 3.9 > > "If read access into previously accessible nodes has been lost due to > > a receiver permissions change, this SHOULD be reported as a patch > > "delete" operation for on-change subscriptions." > > I think we should not have such mechanisms. If a user does not have > > access, we should not try to evaluate what was the last update sent > > to such user, and how to send a subsequent patch which will > > stabilize the user's DB due to the access-control changes. > > >=20 > I can see your point; that said I think one can argue to keep thin= gs as-is. > When a receiver can no longer access a datastore node, the node has effec= tively > "disappeared" to the receiver. By keeping it, the receiver will be under= the > illusion of no change even when the value does change. This might cause = a > receiver to "not trust" a subscription any more and start polling, which = is > something we would absolutely want to avoid. So, I prefer to keep things= as > they are. Alternatively, an implementation may always delete the subscr= iption / > force subscription reestablishment. > --- Alex > >=20 > > > > With Regards, > > Rohit R Ranade > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet- > > drafts@ietf.org > > Sent: 29 August 2018 06:24 > > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > > Cc: netconf@ietf.org > > Subject: [Netconf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push-18.txt > > > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts dire= ctories. > > This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration WG of the IETF. > > > > Title : YANG Datastore Subscription > > Authors : Alexander Clemm > > Eric Voit > > Alberto Gonzalez Prieto > > Ambika Prasad Tripathy > > Einar Nilsen-Nygaard > > Andy Bierman > > Balazs Lengyel > > Filename : draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push-18.txt > > Pages : 57 > > Date : 2018-08-28 > > > > Abstract: > > Via the mechanism described in this document, subscriber application= s > > may request a continuous, customized stream of updates from a YANG > > datastore. Providing such visibility into updates enables new > > capabilities based on the remote mirroring and monitoring of > > configuration and operational state. > > > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push/ > > > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push-18 > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push-18 > > > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-netconf-yang-push-18 > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.i= etf.org. > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Netconf mailing list > > Netconf@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Netconf mailing list > > Netconf@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf From nobody Thu Oct 11 12:12:16 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE8C0130ED8 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <04bac2b6af86439aa785d95354b1eaff@XCH-RTP-013.cisco.com> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 X-ClientProxiedBy: SXCHMB03.jacobs.jacobs-university.de (10.70.0.155) To sxchmb03.jacobs.jacobs-university.de (10.70.0.155) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] WGLC on netconf-event-notifications-13 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 19:12:15 -0000 On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 04:41:39PM +0000, Eric Voit (evoit) wrote: > > From: Juergen Schoenwaelder, October 11, 2018 12:33 PM > > > > On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 04:13:15PM +0000, Eric Voit (evoit) wrote: > > > Hi Juergen, > > > > > > > From: Juergen Schoenwaelder, October 11, 2018 3:41 AM > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 09:25:39AM +0200, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > But this illustrates a problem with SN; the "transport" leaf > > > > > > > is mandatory if the feature "configured" is supported. The > > > > > > > problem is that just b/c a server supports the "configured" > > > > > > > feature, it doesn't mean that there is an identity defined for > > > > > > > all transports; e.g., there is no identity defined for > > > > > > > NETCONF. So the leaf "transport" should probably not be mandatory. > > > > > > > > > > > > Made optional within the SN grouping "subscription-policy", and > > > > > > tweaked the definition as follows: > > > > > > > > > > > > leaf transport { > > > > > > if-feature "configured"; > > > > > > type transport; > > > > > > description > > > > > > "For a configured subscription, this leaf specifies the > > > > > > transport used to deliver messages destined to all receivers > > > > > > of that subscription."; > > > > > > } > > > > > > > > The fix does not seem to address the question nor do I understand > > > > how a configured unspecified transport will work. > > > > > > An unspecified configured transport cannot work without leaf transport > > populated. That is why there is a refinement to the definition for the Data > > Node which appends to the description above: "This object is mandatory for > > subscriptions in the configuration datastore." > > > > > > > The original statement was "there is no identity defined for NETCONF". > > So is there a defined transport identity for NETCONF or not? > > There is not. > > This identity was extracted from a previous version of SN to a new model in NETCONF-Notif earlier in the year. When we subsequently removed configured subscription support from the NETCONF-Notif draft, we removed the identity. > So should there be one? Or how do things work with NETCONF? (Seems we go in circles here instead of addressing the question...) /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Thu Oct 11 12:23:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietf.org Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BE6C130EDE; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:23:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Linda Dunbar To: Cc: ietf@ietf.org, draft-ietf-netconf-nmda-restconf.all@ietf.org, netconf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.86.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <153928582198.7081.16827085925175507755@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:23:42 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Netconf] Opsdir telechat review of draft-ietf-netconf-nmda-restconf-05 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 19:23:42 -0000 Reviewer: Linda Dunbar Review result: Has Nits Reviewer: Linda Dunbar Review result: Almost Ready I think the document is written very clear. Ready to move forward, except one minor question: What does "the lowest RESTCONF layer " mean? as used in the Section 5 Security Considerations: "The lowest RESTCONF layer is HTTPS". Thank you very much. Linda Dunbar From nobody Thu Oct 11 12:51:31 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CE7A130DE9 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:51:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IMBnsb49E5SH for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:51:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-4.cisco.com (alln-iport-4.cisco.com [173.37.142.91]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1EDD9130DE7 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:51:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3067; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1539287485; x=1540497085; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=yfu9uUtWMBFKntdz0ETMXipvkenNhangNa3XDNOSKDI=; b=JGBjPpiHocvnPT6ULwvxQQJ71ghPXo+yieaMpK5/Zmx6bNS1rsnBTfVO 54Xhnkr9HZmJueEXNvd4wvDlpFDUgjpKEqxESMZNZjcRZ5fGPtWJ+m9DT f9Y00zufwE1Dfe7aKWywelbO1uHlX86Nbc+bclhkooBd+eIR52P1T+iBG 4=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0AQAAA4qb9b/5RdJa1ZBgMZAQEBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBAQEBBwEBAQEBAYFUAQEBAQEBCwGBWSpmfzKYN4INlxSBZgsBAR+ETQK?= =?us-ascii?q?EVSE3Cg0BAwEBAgEBAm0cDIU5AQEBAQIBOj0CBQkCAgEIDgIFAw0REBsXJQI?= =?us-ascii?q?EDg2CTUsBgXkIp16JWAUFi0AXgUE/gRKDEoRUEgI3JoURAp4QCQKQSh+QEZV?= =?us-ascii?q?rAhEUgSUzIoFVcBWDKIY1ih+MBYEfAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.54,369,1534809600"; d="scan'208";a="184657587" Received: from rcdn-core-12.cisco.com ([173.37.93.148]) by alln-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 11 Oct 2018 19:51:24 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-013.cisco.com (xch-rtp-013.cisco.com [64.101.220.153]) by rcdn-core-12.cisco.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id w9BJpNSa032570 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 Oct 2018 19:51:24 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-013.cisco.com (64.101.220.153) by XCH-RTP-013.cisco.com (64.101.220.153) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1395.4; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 15:51:23 -0400 Received: from xch-rtp-013.cisco.com ([64.101.220.153]) by XCH-RTP-013.cisco.com ([64.101.220.153]) with mapi id 15.00.1395.000; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 15:51:23 -0400 From: "Eric Voit (evoit)" To: Juergen Schoenwaelder CC: Martin Bjorklund , "netconf@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Netconf] WGLC on netconf-event-notifications-13 Thread-Index: AQHUYHm1PmFXMfKNSkqeZJpjJKWPMKUYhW+wgAFj44CAAAQqgIAASHawgABMRwD//74ocIAAblUA///FhzA= Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 19:51:23 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20181010.111455.977252154629241283.mbj@tail-f.com> <20181011.092539.1869235859078328014.mbj@tail-f.com> <20181011074033.nvoji4wm66jcryzs@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> <20181011163254.csnxrjbyhwoqk2f5@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> <04bac2b6af86439aa785d95354b1eaff@XCH-RTP-013.cisco.com> <20181011191208.rswltqkw6lknnbbq@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> In-Reply-To: <20181011191208.rswltqkw6lknnbbq@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.118.56.234] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 64.101.220.153, xch-rtp-013.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: rcdn-core-12.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] WGLC on netconf-event-notifications-13 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 19:51:27 -0000 > On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 04:41:39PM +0000, Eric Voit (evoit) wrote: > > > From: Juergen Schoenwaelder, October 11, 2018 12:33 PM > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 04:13:15PM +0000, Eric Voit (evoit) wrote: > > > > Hi Juergen, > > > > > > > > > From: Juergen Schoenwaelder, October 11, 2018 3:41 AM > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 09:25:39AM +0200, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But this illustrates a problem with SN; the "transport" > > > > > > > > leaf is mandatory if the feature "configured" is > > > > > > > > supported. The problem is that just b/c a server supports = the > "configured" > > > > > > > > feature, it doesn't mean that there is an identity defined > > > > > > > > for all transports; e.g., there is no identity defined for > > > > > > > > NETCONF. So the leaf "transport" should probably not be > mandatory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Made optional within the SN grouping "subscription-policy", > > > > > > > and tweaked the definition as follows: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leaf transport { > > > > > > > if-feature "configured"; > > > > > > > type transport; > > > > > > > description > > > > > > > "For a configured subscription, this leaf specifies t= he > > > > > > > transport used to deliver messages destined to all re= ceivers > > > > > > > of that subscription."; > > > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > The fix does not seem to address the question nor do I > > > > > understand how a configured unspecified transport will work. > > > > > > > > An unspecified configured transport cannot work without leaf > > > > transport > > > populated. That is why there is a refinement to the definition for > > > the Data Node which appends to the description above: "This object > > > is mandatory for subscriptions in the configuration datastore." > > > > > > > > > > The original statement was "there is no identity defined for NETCONF"= . > > > So is there a defined transport identity for NETCONF or not? > > > > There is not. > > > > This identity was extracted from a previous version of SN to a new mode= l in > NETCONF-Notif earlier in the year. When we subsequently removed > configured subscription support from the NETCONF-Notif draft, we removed > the identity. > > >=20 > So should there be one? Or how do things work with NETCONF? (Seems we go > in circles here instead of addressing the question...) There should not be a NETCONF identity until there is configured subscripti= on support for NETCONF. =20 Previous reviewers have been very vigilant in ensuring each transport ident= ity not appear until supported by a transport document. This is why the N= ETCONF transport identity was extracted from SN earlier this year. Eric =20 > /js >=20 > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Thu Oct 11 14:01:42 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F90C12872C for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 14:01:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) 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[Netconf] the name "checksum" in YANG library Thread-Index: AQHUYU+r+OxuXa+NZUuar3yMev1i1aUZ5GTQ//9+tICAAbiJgA== Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2018 05:59:19 +0000 Message-ID: <991B70D8B4112A4699D5C00DDBBF878A6BC57080@dggeml510-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <20181011.124600.2085483972062437440.mbj@tail-f.com> <991B70D8B4112A4699D5C00DDBBF878A6BC567C6@dggeml510-mbx.china.huawei.com> <20181011.133113.643945777606446073.mbj@tail-f.com> In-Reply-To: <20181011.133113.643945777606446073.mbj@tail-f.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.18.150.121] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] the name "checksum" in YANG library X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2018 05:59:36 -0000 Hi Martin, " The value of this leaf MUST change whenever the information in the YANG library changes." =3D=3D> This statement in S= ection 3, indicates that the value must change when content changes. The draft has also placed a constraint that it is a " unique implementation= -specific identifier". When the contents changes, especially if the length = of the data which is used for checksum changes, then the resulting checksum= values may not be unique. So I feel it is simpler, if a counter is used. With Regards, Rohit -----Original Message----- From: Martin Bjorklund [mailto:mbj@tail-f.com]=20 Sent: 11 October 2018 17:01 To: Rohit R Ranade Cc: netconf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Netconf] the name "checksum" in YANG library Rohit R Ranade wrote: > Since this leaf has to change every-time the content of YANG library=20 > changes, "content-modify-count" can also be used which is simple for a=20 > server to implement (just increment when content changes) and also for=20 > client or a human reader to understand. But it doesn't have to change everytime, it could very well be implemented = as a checksum of the contents. /martin >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Martin=20 > Bjorklund > Sent: 11 October 2018 16:16 > To: netconf@ietf.org > Subject: [Netconf] the name "checksum" in YANG library >=20 > Hi, >=20 > Several reviewers in the IESG have commented that the name "checksum" > in YANG library is misleading. It is not really a checksum ('There is=20 > no requirement that the same information always results in the same=20 > "checksum" value.') >=20 > So since many people have complained, maybe we should change it. >=20 > After a quick discussion among (some of the) authors, we suggest that=20 > we call it "YANG library content identifier" or "content-id" for=20 > short. >=20 > The changes would be: >=20 > OLD: >=20 > o YANG library checksum: A server-generated checksum of the contents > of the YANG library. >=20 > NEW: >=20 > o YANG library content identifier: A server-generated identifier of > the contents of the YANG library. >=20 >=20 > OLD: >=20 > o The "/yang-library/checksum" leaf contains the YANG library > checksum, which is a unique implementation-specific identifier > representing the current information in the YANG library on a > specific server. >=20 >=20 > NEW: >=20 > o The "/yang-library/content-id" leaf contains the YANG library > content identifier, which is a unique implementation-specific > identifier representing the current information in the YANG > library on a specific server. >=20 >=20 > .... and various simpler search&replaces. >=20 >=20 > We would also update the schema-mount and netconf-nmda documents to=20 > use the new term. >=20 >=20 > Does anyone object to this change? >=20 >=20 >=20 > /martin >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Netconf mailing list > Netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf >=20 From nobody Thu Oct 11 23:48:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FFB6130DFD for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 23:48:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham 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X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F38A130E07 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 03:56:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bCYEF-W3t0Pr for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 03:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.transpacket.com (s91205186171.blix.com [91.205.186.171]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8FAC1130DF5 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 03:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.transpacket.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 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<20181011.133113.643945777606446073.mbj@tail-f.com> <991B70D8B4112A4699D5C00DDBBF878A6BC57080@dggeml510-mbx.china.huawei.com> From: Vladimir Vassilev Message-ID: <819ba6e3-89f4-63c4-35a5-c54172cc70cd@transpacket.com> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2018 12:56:34 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <991B70D8B4112A4699D5C00DDBBF878A6BC57080@dggeml510-mbx.china.huawei.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] the name "checksum" in YANG library X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2018 10:56:40 -0000 Hi, On 10/12/18 7:59 AM, Rohit R Ranade wrote: > Hi Martin, > > " The value of this leaf MUST change whenever the > information in the YANG library changes." ==> This statement in Section 3, indicates that the value must change when content changes. > > The draft has also placed a constraint that it is a " unique implementation-specific identifier". When the contents changes, especially if the length of the data which is used for checksum changes, then the resulting checksum values may not be unique. > > So I feel it is simpler, if a counter is used. There is this usecase where a client can compare the checksum against already retrieved checksum or a list of checksums and know that it is connected to a device with schema it was designed to work with or not, or has already retrieved the yang library contents and compiled and cached the schema in case of smarter client etc. I do not think replacing this information with the information how many times the schema has changed (since the last restart?, has it changed and returned back to the same state?) can serve the same purpose as the checksum even if the checksum is calculated with implementation dependent algorithm. That said it is clear that the presented usecase is dependent on what the vendor chose to implement as "checksum" algorithm. How probable it is that two different yang libraries generate identical checksums etc. Vladimir > > With Regards, > Rohit From nobody Fri Oct 12 04:26:58 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B8FE12F1A6 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 04:26:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.957 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.957 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zyd23wkJAfyL for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 04:26:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-4.cisco.com (aer-iport-4.cisco.com [173.38.203.54]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9AC671293FB for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 04:26:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=4431; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1539343614; x=1540553214; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date: mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NlEkGHfZP5Yeqd50eGB3aaGBRDpYV5g3WcFx2/Wof9U=; b=WJDCxOii4amz7A8ZMf8iDSW/viLGXZ4wWZwpTjmZYt8mtxbtG5NKO7px UG124/x9aNBmpej5hWl/797M1TJmQGTgbTa9gCZGicsR3KPl/tiC7fTXH DIwpZW8hoAhCjCKCGqFrom5OJ2uDnbSOVnaLnaZuKX6gUPxyFYltCdLhJ s=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0A+AACAhMBb/xbLJq1lGQEBAQEBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBAQcBAQEBAQGBZYFVgRVtEiiDdYh1jTotepgHDRgLgVSCL0YChHk4FgE?= =?us-ascii?q?DAQECAQECbRwMhTkBAQEEAQEhDwEFNgsMBAsRBAEBAQICIwMCAicfCQgGDQY?= =?us-ascii?q?CAQGDHAGCAQ+jbRGBIoEuhHeEZQWBC4pSgUE/gRIngjY1gxsBAYFLAoMVglc?= =?us-ascii?q?CiRKFKI9iCZBSBheBT4dahm2JGYZVhjaBWiGBVTMaCBsVO4JsgiUYiFuFPz4?= =?us-ascii?q?wiguCTAEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.54,371,1534809600"; d="scan'208";a="7129313" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-3.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 12 Oct 2018 11:26:51 +0000 Received: from [10.63.23.158] (dhcp-ensft1-uk-vla370-10-63-23-158.cisco.com [10.63.23.158]) by aer-core-3.cisco.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w9CBQp9q014444; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 11:26:51 GMT To: Rohit R Ranade Cc: Martin Bjorklund , "netconf@ietf.org" References: <20181011.124600.2085483972062437440.mbj@tail-f.com> <991B70D8B4112A4699D5C00DDBBF878A6BC567C6@dggeml510-mbx.china.huawei.com> <20181011.133113.643945777606446073.mbj@tail-f.com> <991B70D8B4112A4699D5C00DDBBF878A6BC57080@dggeml510-mbx.china.huawei.com> From: Robert Wilton Message-ID: <674660c8-13e4-2fad-8a7e-1fef2dd3f572@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2018 12:26:50 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <991B70D8B4112A4699D5C00DDBBF878A6BC57080@dggeml510-mbx.china.huawei.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 10.63.23.158, dhcp-ensft1-uk-vla370-10-63-23-158.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: aer-core-3.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] the name "checksum" in YANG library X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2018 11:26:57 -0000 Hi Rohit, If the server restarts, or the YANG management daemon on the server restarts, and the YANG library content is the same then it is less work on the client to return the same content-id value. It isn't the end of the world if it is different because it just forces the client to re-download and re-parse YANG library. However, it could be a problem for the client if the server returns the same value if the server reboots and uses a different set of YANG modules after it has rebooted (e.g. after a software upgrade). Perhaps if you write the counter to persistent storage this can still be made to work in a reliable way, but using a robust hash function over the contents in YANG library is probably a simpler approach.   I would predict that if MurmurHash3, generating a 128 bit hash value, is used over the Yang Library contents then the risk of a collision (i.e. where the content differs, but hashes to the same value) would be extremely low in practice. Thanks, Rob On 12/10/2018 06:59, Rohit R Ranade wrote: > Hi Martin, > > " The value of this leaf MUST change whenever the > information in the YANG library changes." ==> This statement in Section 3, indicates that the value must change when content changes. > > The draft has also placed a constraint that it is a " unique implementation-specific identifier". When the contents changes, especially if the length of the data which is used for checksum changes, then the resulting checksum values may not be unique. > > So I feel it is simpler, if a counter is used. > > With Regards, > Rohit > > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Bjorklund [mailto:mbj@tail-f.com] > Sent: 11 October 2018 17:01 > To: Rohit R Ranade > Cc: netconf@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Netconf] the name "checksum" in YANG library > > Rohit R Ranade wrote: >> Since this leaf has to change every-time the content of YANG library >> changes, "content-modify-count" can also be used which is simple for a >> server to implement (just increment when content changes) and also for >> client or a human reader to understand. > But it doesn't have to change everytime, it could very well be implemented as a checksum of the contents. > > > /martin > > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Martin >> Bjorklund >> Sent: 11 October 2018 16:16 >> To: netconf@ietf.org >> Subject: [Netconf] the name "checksum" in YANG library >> >> Hi, >> >> Several reviewers in the IESG have commented that the name "checksum" >> in YANG library is misleading. It is not really a checksum ('There is >> no requirement that the same information always results in the same >> "checksum" value.') >> >> So since many people have complained, maybe we should change it. >> >> After a quick discussion among (some of the) authors, we suggest that >> we call it "YANG library content identifier" or "content-id" for >> short. >> >> The changes would be: >> >> OLD: >> >> o YANG library checksum: A server-generated checksum of the contents >> of the YANG library. >> >> NEW: >> >> o YANG library content identifier: A server-generated identifier of >> the contents of the YANG library. >> >> >> OLD: >> >> o The "/yang-library/checksum" leaf contains the YANG library >> checksum, which is a unique implementation-specific identifier >> representing the current information in the YANG library on a >> specific server. >> >> >> NEW: >> >> o The "/yang-library/content-id" leaf contains the YANG library >> content identifier, which is a unique implementation-specific >> identifier representing the current information in the YANG >> library on a specific server. >> >> >> .... and various simpler search&replaces. >> >> >> We would also update the schema-mount and netconf-nmda documents to >> use the new term. >> >> >> Does anyone object to this change? >> >> >> >> /martin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Netconf mailing list >> Netconf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf >> > _______________________________________________ > Netconf mailing list > Netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > . > From nobody Fri Oct 12 04:37:28 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46166130E17 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 04:37:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UnRF6Uuej4p4 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 04:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas5.jacobs-university.de (atlas5.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 28D8E130E0F for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 04:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas5.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6EF1E16; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 13:37:20 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas5.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.217]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id DRKfxcAVTZ1b; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 13:37:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by atlas5.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 13:37:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.47]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF10F20038; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 13:37:20 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius2.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gLclI9cDfCLM; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 13:37:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from exchange.jacobs-university.de (SXCHMB01.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.120]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "exchange.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DED2A20037; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 13:37:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from anna.localdomain (10.50.218.117) by sxchmb03.jacobs.jacobs-university.de (10.70.0.155) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.1.1415.2; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 13:37:19 +0200 Received: by anna.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 501) id 2544D3000E6032; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 13:37:18 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2018 13:37:18 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Robert Wilton CC: Rohit R Ranade , "netconf@ietf.org" Message-ID: <20181012113718.zvamdsuwqjj3divu@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Mail-Followup-To: Robert Wilton , Rohit R Ranade , "netconf@ietf.org" References: <20181011.124600.2085483972062437440.mbj@tail-f.com> <991B70D8B4112A4699D5C00DDBBF878A6BC567C6@dggeml510-mbx.china.huawei.com> <20181011.133113.643945777606446073.mbj@tail-f.com> <991B70D8B4112A4699D5C00DDBBF878A6BC57080@dggeml510-mbx.china.huawei.com> <674660c8-13e4-2fad-8a7e-1fef2dd3f572@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <674660c8-13e4-2fad-8a7e-1fef2dd3f572@cisco.com> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 X-ClientProxiedBy: SXCHMB03.jacobs.jacobs-university.de (10.70.0.155) To sxchmb03.jacobs.jacobs-university.de (10.70.0.155) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] the name "checksum" in YANG library X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2018 11:37:27 -0000 I think the point is that we do not require this to be a counter nor do we require this to be a hash of the yang library. Implementations can do what they think is best as long as the content-id changes when the content of the yang library changes, i.e., the content-id value can be used to check whether a cached version of yang library can still be used. /js On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 12:26:50PM +0100, Robert Wilton wrote: > Hi Rohit, > > If the server restarts, or the YANG management daemon on the server > restarts, and the YANG library content is the same then it is less work on > the client to return the same content-id value. > > It isn't the end of the world if it is different because it just forces the > client to re-download and re-parse YANG library. However, it could be a > problem for the client if the server returns the same value if the server > reboots and uses a different set of YANG modules after it has rebooted (e.g. > after a software upgrade). > > Perhaps if you write the counter to persistent storage this can still be > made to work in a reliable way, but using a robust hash function over the > contents in YANG library is probably a simpler approach.   I would predict > that if MurmurHash3, generating a 128 bit hash value, is used over the Yang > Library contents then the risk of a collision (i.e. where the content > differs, but hashes to the same value) would be extremely low in practice. > > Thanks, > Rob > > > On 12/10/2018 06:59, Rohit R Ranade wrote: > > Hi Martin, > > > > " The value of this leaf MUST change whenever the > > information in the YANG library changes." ==> This statement in Section 3, indicates that the value must change when content changes. > > > > The draft has also placed a constraint that it is a " unique implementation-specific identifier". When the contents changes, especially if the length of the data which is used for checksum changes, then the resulting checksum values may not be unique. > > > > So I feel it is simpler, if a counter is used. > > > > With Regards, > > Rohit > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Martin Bjorklund [mailto:mbj@tail-f.com] > > Sent: 11 October 2018 17:01 > > To: Rohit R Ranade > > Cc: netconf@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [Netconf] the name "checksum" in YANG library > > > > Rohit R Ranade wrote: > > > Since this leaf has to change every-time the content of YANG library > > > changes, "content-modify-count" can also be used which is simple for a > > > server to implement (just increment when content changes) and also for > > > client or a human reader to understand. > > But it doesn't have to change everytime, it could very well be implemented as a checksum of the contents. > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Martin > > > Bjorklund > > > Sent: 11 October 2018 16:16 > > > To: netconf@ietf.org > > > Subject: [Netconf] the name "checksum" in YANG library > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Several reviewers in the IESG have commented that the name "checksum" > > > in YANG library is misleading. It is not really a checksum ('There is > > > no requirement that the same information always results in the same > > > "checksum" value.') > > > > > > So since many people have complained, maybe we should change it. > > > > > > After a quick discussion among (some of the) authors, we suggest that > > > we call it "YANG library content identifier" or "content-id" for > > > short. > > > > > > The changes would be: > > > > > > OLD: > > > > > > o YANG library checksum: A server-generated checksum of the contents > > > of the YANG library. > > > > > > NEW: > > > > > > o YANG library content identifier: A server-generated identifier of > > > the contents of the YANG library. > > > > > > > > > OLD: > > > > > > o The "/yang-library/checksum" leaf contains the YANG library > > > checksum, which is a unique implementation-specific identifier > > > representing the current information in the YANG library on a > > > specific server. > > > > > > > > > NEW: > > > > > > o The "/yang-library/content-id" leaf contains the YANG library > > > content identifier, which is a unique implementation-specific > > > identifier representing the current information in the YANG > > > library on a specific server. > > > > > > > > > .... and various simpler search&replaces. > > > > > > > > > We would also update the schema-mount and netconf-nmda documents to > > > use the new term. > > > > > > > > > Does anyone object to this change? > > > > > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Netconf mailing list > > > Netconf@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Netconf mailing list > > Netconf@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > > . > > > > _______________________________________________ > Netconf mailing list > Netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen 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User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <991B70D8B4112A4699D5C00DDBBF878A6BC572E8@dggeml510-mbx.china.huawei.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------57EE90F1A992133D2E16F118" Content-Language: en-US X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 10.63.23.158, dhcp-ensft1-uk-vla370-10-63-23-158.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: aer-core-3.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] the name "checksum" in YANG library X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2018 12:24:48 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------57EE90F1A992133D2E16F118 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Rohit, I'm OK with removing "unique" if the other authors and WG agree with the change. Note that the full context for the current block of text would become this (incorporating Martin's proposed changes): o The "/yang-library/content-id" leaf contains the YANG library content identifier, which is an implementation-specific identifier representing the current information in the YANG library on a specific server. The value of this leaf MUST change whenever the information in the YANG library changes. There is no requirement that the same information always results in the same "content-id" value. This leaf allows a client to fetch all schema information once, cache it, and only refetch it if the value of this leaf has been changed. If the value of this leaf changes, the server also generates a "yang-library-update" notification. Thanks, Rob On 12/10/2018 12:40, Rohit R Ranade wrote: > Hi Robert, > > When I read that the identifier is a "unique implementation-specific identifier", I inferred that this identifier should generate a unique value whenever the contents change. > So I inferred that there should not be a repetition of the identifier values. But the use-cases presented show that to make full use of this leaf, it is better if same content generated the same identifier. > > Maybe if we removed the term "unique", then this doubt may not arise. > > With Regards, > Rohit > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Wilton [mailto:rwilton@cisco.com] > Sent: 12 October 2018 16:57 > To: Rohit R Ranade > Cc: Martin Bjorklund ; netconf@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Netconf] the name "checksum" in YANG library > > Hi Rohit, > > If the server restarts, or the YANG management daemon on the server restarts, and the YANG library content is the same then it is less work on the client to return the same content-id value. > > It isn't the end of the world if it is different because it just forces the client to re-download and re-parse YANG library. However, it could be a problem for the client if the server returns the same value if the server reboots and uses a different set of YANG modules after it has rebooted (e.g. after a software upgrade). > > Perhaps if you write the counter to persistent storage this can still be made to work in a reliable way, but using a robust hash function over the contents in YANG library is probably a simpler approach.   I would predict that if MurmurHash3, generating a 128 bit hash value, is used over the Yang Library contents then the risk of a collision (i.e. where the content differs, but hashes to the same value) would be extremely low in practice. > > Thanks, > Rob > > > On 12/10/2018 06:59, Rohit R Ranade wrote: >> Hi Martin, >> >> " The value of this leaf MUST change whenever the >> information in the YANG library changes." ==> This statement in Section 3, indicates that the value must change when content changes. >> >> The draft has also placed a constraint that it is a " unique implementation-specific identifier". When the contents changes, especially if the length of the data which is used for checksum changes, then the resulting checksum values may not be unique. >> >> So I feel it is simpler, if a counter is used. >> >> With Regards, >> Rohit >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Martin Bjorklund [mailto:mbj@tail-f.com] >> Sent: 11 October 2018 17:01 >> To: Rohit R Ranade >> Cc: netconf@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [Netconf] the name "checksum" in YANG library >> >> Rohit R Ranade wrote: >>> Since this leaf has to change every-time the content of YANG library >>> changes, "content-modify-count" can also be used which is simple for >>> a server to implement (just increment when content changes) and also >>> for client or a human reader to understand. >> But it doesn't have to change everytime, it could very well be implemented as a checksum of the contents. >> >> >> /martin >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Martin >>> Bjorklund >>> Sent: 11 October 2018 16:16 >>> To: netconf@ietf.org >>> Subject: [Netconf] the name "checksum" in YANG library >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Several reviewers in the IESG have commented that the name "checksum" >>> in YANG library is misleading. It is not really a checksum ('There >>> is no requirement that the same information always results in the >>> same "checksum" value.') >>> >>> So since many people have complained, maybe we should change it. >>> >>> After a quick discussion among (some of the) authors, we suggest that >>> we call it "YANG library content identifier" or "content-id" for >>> short. >>> >>> The changes would be: >>> >>> OLD: >>> >>> o YANG library checksum: A server-generated checksum of the contents >>> of the YANG library. >>> >>> NEW: >>> >>> o YANG library content identifier: A server-generated identifier of >>> the contents of the YANG library. >>> >>> >>> OLD: >>> >>> o The "/yang-library/checksum" leaf contains the YANG library >>> checksum, which is a unique implementation-specific identifier >>> representing the current information in the YANG library on a >>> specific server. >>> >>> >>> NEW: >>> >>> o The "/yang-library/content-id" leaf contains the YANG library >>> content identifier, which is a unique implementation-specific >>> identifier representing the current information in the YANG >>> library on a specific server. >>> >>> >>> .... and various simpler search&replaces. >>> >>> >>> We would also update the schema-mount and netconf-nmda documents to >>> use the new term. >>> >>> >>> Does anyone object to this change? >>> >>> >>> >>> /martin >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Netconf mailing list >>> Netconf@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Netconf mailing list >> Netconf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf >> . >> --------------57EE90F1A992133D2E16F118 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi Rohit,

I'm OK with removing "unique" if the other authors and WG agree with the change.

Note that the full context for the current block of text would become this (incorporating Martin's proposed changes):

   o  The "/yang-library/content-id" leaf contains the YANG library
      content identifier, which is an implementation-specific
      identifier representing the current information in the YANG
      library on a specific server.  The value of this leaf MUST change
      whenever the information in the YANG library changes.  There is no
      requirement that the same information always results in the same
      "content-id" value.  This leaf allows a client to fetch all schema
      information once, cache it, and only refetch it if the value of
      this leaf has been changed.  If the value of this leaf changes,
      the server also generates a "yang-library-update" notification.

Thanks,
Rob

On 12/10/2018 12:40, Rohit R Ranade wrote:
Hi Robert,

When I read that the identifier is a "unique implementation-specific identifier", I inferred that this identifier should generate a unique value whenever the contents change.
So I inferred that there should not be a repetition of the identifier values. But the use-cases presented show that to make full use of this leaf, it is better if same content generated the same identifier.

Maybe if we removed the term "unique", then this doubt may not arise.

With Regards,
Rohit

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Wilton [mailto:rwilton@cisco.com] 
Sent: 12 October 2018 16:57
To: Rohit R Ranade <rohitrranade@huawei.com>
Cc: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com>; netconf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Netconf] the name "checksum" in YANG library

Hi Rohit,

If the server restarts, or the YANG management daemon on the server restarts, and the YANG library content is the same then it is less work on the client to return the same content-id value.

It isn't the end of the world if it is different because it just forces the client to re-download and re-parse YANG library. However, it could be a problem for the client if the server returns the same value if the server reboots and uses a different set of YANG modules after it has rebooted (e.g. after a software upgrade).

Perhaps if you write the counter to persistent storage this can still be made to work in a reliable way, but using a robust hash function over the contents in YANG library is probably a simpler approach.   I would predict that if MurmurHash3, generating a 128 bit hash value, is used over the Yang Library contents then the risk of a collision (i.e. where the content differs, but hashes to the same value) would be extremely low in practice.

Thanks,
Rob


On 12/10/2018 06:59, Rohit R Ranade wrote:

Hi Martin,

" The value of this leaf MUST change whenever the
       information in the YANG library changes." ==> This statement in Section 3, indicates that the value must change when content changes.

The draft has also placed a constraint that it is a " unique implementation-specific identifier". When the contents changes, especially if the length of the data which is used for checksum changes, then the resulting checksum values may not be unique.

So I feel it is simpler, if a counter is used.

With Regards,
Rohit

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Bjorklund [mailto:mbj@tail-f.com]
Sent: 11 October 2018 17:01
To: Rohit R Ranade <rohitrranade@huawei.com>
Cc: netconf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Netconf] the name "checksum" in YANG library

Rohit R Ranade <rohitrranade@huawei.com> wrote:

Since this leaf has to change every-time the content of YANG library 
changes, "content-modify-count" can also be used which is simple for 
a server to implement (just increment when content changes) and also 
for client or a human reader to understand.

But it doesn't have to change everytime, it could very well be implemented as a checksum of the contents.


/martin



-----Original Message-----
From: Netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Martin 
Bjorklund
Sent: 11 October 2018 16:16
To: netconf@ietf.org
Subject: [Netconf] the name "checksum" in YANG library

Hi,

Several reviewers in the IESG have commented that the name "checksum"
in YANG library is misleading.  It is not really a checksum ('There 
is no requirement that the same information always results in the 
same "checksum" value.')

So since many people have complained, maybe we should change it.

After a quick discussion among (some of the) authors, we suggest that 
we call it "YANG library content identifier" or "content-id" for 
short.

The changes would be:

OLD:

    o  YANG library checksum: A server-generated checksum of the contents
       of the YANG library.

NEW:

    o  YANG library content identifier: A server-generated identifier of
       the contents of the YANG library.


OLD:

    o  The "/yang-library/checksum" leaf contains the YANG library
       checksum, which is a unique implementation-specific identifier
       representing the current information in the YANG library on a
       specific server.


NEW:

    o  The "/yang-library/content-id" leaf contains the YANG library
       content identifier, which is a unique implementation-specific
       identifier representing the current information in the YANG
       library on a specific server.


.... and various simpler search&replaces.


We would also update the schema-mount and netconf-nmda documents to 
use the new term.


Does anyone object to this change?



/martin

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> On Oct 11, 2018, at 3:11 AM, Martin Bjorklund  wrote:
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> Ben Campbell  wrote:
>> Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for
>> draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis-06: No Objection
>>=20
>> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all
>> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut =
this
>> introductory paragraph, however.)
>>=20
>>=20
>> Please refer to =
https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html
>> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.
>>=20
>>=20
>> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis/
>>=20
>>=20
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>> =
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>> COMMENT:
>> =
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>>=20
>> Just a few minor comments:
>>=20
>> Substantive Comments:
>>=20
>> =C2=A72, 2nd bullet: "Each YANG module and submodule within the =
library
>> SHOULD have a revision." Why not MUST? Does it ever make sense not
>> to have a revision? What are the consequences?
>=20
> In YANG, the "revision" is formally optional.  (But for IETF modules
> we have stricter rules that require a revsision.)
>=20
> This bullet is part of the "Objectives" list, so I think we should
> rephrase it:
>=20
> OLD:
>=20
>   o  revision: Each YANG module and submodule within the library =
SHOULD
>      have a revision.  This is derived from the most recent revision
>      statement within the module or submodule.
>=20
> NEW:
>=20
>   o  revision: If defined in the YANG module or submodule, the
>      revision is derived from the most recent revision statement
>      within the module or submodule.

That works for me, thanks.


>=20
>> Editorial Comments:
>>=20
>> =C2=A71, last paragraph: Missing article before "YANG Library" in =
first sentence.
>=20
> I can't find this.  Can you quote the full sentence?

"All NETCONF servers supporting YANG 1.1 [RFC7950] are required to
   support YANG Library (see Section 5.6.4 of RFC 7950).=E2=80=9D

Perhaps =E2=80=9Csupport the YANG Library capability=E2=80=9D?


>=20
>> =C2=A72, list item 1: "Efficient for a client to consume." - sentence =
fragment.
>=20
> NEW:
>=20
>  1.  The information must be efficient for a client to consume.
>=20
>> -- List item 3: Why is "NOT" in all-caps?
>=20
> Unclear, now fixed.
>=20
>> -- List item 6: The first sentence, while not technically a fragment, =
seems to
>> use an understood "you" as the subject. I doubt that is the intent.
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> NEW:
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>  6.  It must be possible to use the YANG library by schema mount
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Hi Qin,

Thanks very much for your review.  Some thoughts in-line...

> From: Qin Wu, October 10, 2018 9:45 PM
>=20
> Hi:
> I have read the latest version of netconf event notification and believe =
it is
> ready for publication, here is a few comments:
> 1. Section 5
> The first sentence in paragraph 1 discuss how to encode notification mess=
ages
> over NETCONF protocol, but it is not clear how to encode notification
> messages transported over RESTCONF protocol? additional text to clarify?

RESTCONF requirements would seem a cleaner fit for draft-ietf-netconf-restc=
onf-notif, which is also currently under WGLC.
=20
> For second paragraph, I think we should emphasize all notifications and R=
PC
> are carried in the same session, how about the following proprosed text:
> "
> For dynamic subscriptions, all notification messages MUST be sent in a sa=
me
> NETCONF transport session used by the "establish-subscription" RPC.
> "

I agree with your desire to clarify and simplify.  And proposed text above =
does appearing two paragraphs below in Section 6.

However the kill-subscription RPC likely will not come from the same NETCON=
F transport session.  So we cannot fully generalize/simplify.  Let me know =
if there is some other approach you would like, or whether this is ok.

> 2. Section 7, paragraph 2 and paragraph 2, the 1st bullet:
> Why JSON encoding is underlined? Why is limited to XML encoding?

Per another thread, mention of JSON in this draft is removed.  I don't thin=
k that we have a full set of IETF standards which document JSON + NETCONF. =
=20
 =20
> 3.Section 7 paragraph 2, the 1st bullet:
>       "In case of error responses to an "establish-subscription" or
>       "modify-subscription" request there is the option of including an
>       "error-info" node."
>=20
> Where "error-info" node is included?  element?

Good catch.  The text "each error identity..." really is part of the previo=
us bullet.  I will move the text up to make that obvious.  That makes the "=
error-info" bullet an obvious part of the previous list.
=20
> "  The yang-data included within "error-info" SHOULD NOT include the
>       optional leaf "error-reason", as such a leaf would be redundant
>       with information that is already placed within the
>       "error-app-tag".
> "
>=20
>=20
> where yang-data included in "error-info" defined? I only see something si=
milar
> defined in RFC8040 for error-info.

I have updated the document to show that the yang-data structures come from=
: ietf-subscribed-notifications and ietf-yang-push.

Thanks again,

Eric

> -Qin
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Hi Kent,

On 10/12/18 7:52 PM, Kent Watsen wrote:
> We should not try to ensure that two servers having the same response r=
eturn the same value.
I do not disagree with that.
>    That would require the definition of a canonical form that we don't =
have.

IMO this is doable. There are other usecases apart from the yang library=20
one that need canonical form representation of YANG data trees. Does=20
"Restrictions for canonical form XML representation of YANG data" sound=20
like a useful draft? A 1 page text with restrictions - some for the YANG=20
data types lexical representation (identityref and instance-identifier)=20
and some for the XML encoding format intended to guarantee the XML=20
generated will be canonical nevertheless compatible with RFC 7950.

Vladimir

>
> We should (IMO) align the checksum value with HTTP Entity-Tag (ETag) [1=
] and, in particular, using a strong validator [2].  RESTCONF says that E=
Tag SHOULD be available for each resource [3], including {+restconf}/ds/i=
etf-datastores:operational/ietf-yang-library:yang-library.  I know that w=
e don't have to conflate these two things, but it makes sense to do so.
>
> PS: just realized that nmda-restconf didn't update [4]. This might be a=
 problem.
>
> [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7232#section-2.3
> [2] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7232#section-2.1
> [3] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8040#section-3.5.2
> [4] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8040#section-3.4.1.2
>
> Kent // contributor
>
>
> =EF=BB=BF-----Original Message-----
> From: Netconf  on behalf of Vladimir Vassilev=
 
> Date: Friday, October 12, 2018 at 6:56 AM
> To: Rohit R Ranade , Martin Bjorklund 
> Cc: "netconf@ietf.org" 
> Subject: Re: [Netconf] the name "checksum" in YANG library
>
> Hi,
>
> On 10/12/18 7:59 AM, Rohit R Ranade wrote:
>
>> Hi Martin,
>>
>> " The value of this leaf MUST change whenever the
>>         information in the YANG library changes." =3D=3D> This stateme=
nt in Section 3, indicates that the value must change when content change=
s.
>>
>> The draft has also placed a constraint that it is a " unique implement=
ation-specific identifier". When the contents changes, especially if the =
length of the data which is used for checksum changes, then the resulting=
 checksum values may not be unique.
>>
>> So I feel it is simpler, if a counter is used.
> There is this usecase where a client can compare the checksum against
> already retrieved checksum or a list of checksums and know that it is
> connected to a device with schema it was designed to work with or not,
> or has already retrieved the yang library contents and compiled and
> cached the schema in case of smarter client etc. I do not think
> replacing this information with the information how many times the
> schema has changed (since the last restart?, has it changed and returne=
d
> back to the same state?) can serve the same purpose as the checksum eve=
n
> if the checksum is calculated with implementation dependent algorithm.
>
> That said it is clear that the presented usecase is dependent on what
> the vendor chose to implement as "checksum" algorithm. How probable it
> is that two different yang libraries generate identical checksums etc.
>
> Vladimir
>
>> With Regards,
>> Rohit
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Reviewer: Roni Even
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Document: draft-ietf-netconf-zerotouch-??
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Summary: The document is ready for publication as Standard Track RFC

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1. In the editorial note the change log is in appendix D and not A




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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration WG of the IETF.

        Title           : YANG Library
        Authors         : Andy Bierman
                          Martin Bjorklund
                          Juergen Schoenwaelder
                          Kent Watsen
                          Robert Wilton
	Filename        : draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis-07.txt
	Pages           : 32
	Date            : 2018-10-17

Abstract:
   This document describes a YANG library that provides information
   about the YANG modules, datastores, and datastore schemas used by a
   network management server.  Simple caching mechanisms are provided to
   allow clients to minimize retrieval of this information.  This
   version of the YANG library supports the Network Management Datastore
   Architecture by listing all datastores supported by a network
   management server and the schema that is used by each of these
   datastores.

   This document obsoletes RFC 7895.


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration WG of the IETF.

        Title           : NETCONF Extensions to Support the Network Management Datastore Architecture
        Authors         : Martin Bjorklund
                          Juergen Schoenwaelder
                          Phil Shafer
                          Kent Watsen
                          Robert Wilton
	Filename        : draft-ietf-netconf-nmda-netconf-08.txt
	Pages           : 21
	Date            : 2018-10-17

Abstract:
   This document extends the NETCONF protocol defined in RFC 6241 in
   order to support the Network Management Datastore Architecture
   defined in RFC 8342.

   This document updates both RFC 6241 and RFC 7950.  The update to RFC
   6241 adds new operations  and , and augments
   existing operations , , and .  The update to
   RFC 7950 requires the usage of I-D.ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis by NETCONF
   servers implementing the Network Management Datastore Architecture.

   RFC Ed.: Please replace "I-D.ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis" above with its
   final RFC assignment and remove this note.


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Hi,

After discussion among the authors and in the WG, the name "checksum"
has now been changed to "YANG library content identifier", or
"content-id" for short.

I have uploaded a new version of the draft with this change (and also
a new version of the dependant document
draft-ietf-netconf-nmda-netconf)


/martin



Martin Bjorklund  wrote:
> Hi,
> =

> Adam Roach  wrote:
> > Adam Roach has entered the following ballot position for
> > draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis-06: No Objection
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> > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteri=
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> > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:=

> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis/
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> > Thanks for the work everyone did on this document.
> > =

> > ID Nits reports:
> > =

> >   ** Obsolete normative reference: RFC 5246 (Obsoleted by RFC 8446)=

> >   ** Obsolete normative reference: RFC 6536 (Obsoleted by RFC 8341)=

> =

> Fixed.
> =

> > -------------------------------------------------------------------=
--------
> > =

> > Page 16:
> > =

> > >      leaf checksum {
> > >        type string;
> > >        mandatory true;
> > >        description
> > >          "A server-generated checksum of the contents of the
> > >           'yang-library' tree.  The server MUST change the value =
of
> > >           this leaf if the information represented by the
> > >           'yang-library' tree, except 'yang-library/checksum', ha=
s
> > >           changed.";
> > =

> > I suspect that changing the name of this node in the tree would be =
disruptive
> > at this point in time, but this is clearly not a checksum ("There i=
s no
> > requirement that the same information always results in the same 'c=
hecksum'
> > value"). I would suggest updating the description to use the term "=
version
> > identifier" or something similar.
> =

> Since so many people brought this up, I will go back to WG and propos=
e
> a name change for this leaf.  "YANG library content version
> identifier" or "leaf version-id" for short.
> =

> > -------------------------------------------------------------------=
--------
> > =

> > =A78.2:
> > =

> > >  [RFC8340]  Bjorklund, M. and L. Berger, Ed., "YANG Tree Diagrams=
",
> > >             BCP 215, RFC 8340, DOI 10.17487/RFC8340, March 2018,
> > >             .
> > =

> > Since this document is required to understand the syntax used in th=
e tree
> > diagrams used by this document, it should be normative rather than
> > informative.
> =

> This has been discussed in the WG (NETMOD, who produced RFC 8340), an=
d
> the conclusion was to have the tree diagram reference as an
> Informative reference.  The diagrams are a way to illustrate the
> structure of the YANG module.  The YANG module is the authoritative
> source.  You will find this in all YANG RFCs > 8340, and all current
> drafts.  (except I just found that 8341 is missing the reference
> completely...)
> =

> =

> /martin
> =

> =

> =


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Thanks!

/a

On 10/17/18 2:36 AM, Martin Bjorklund wrote:
> Hi,
>
> After discussion among the authors and in the WG, the name "checksum"
> has now been changed to "YANG library content identifier", or
> "content-id" for short.
>
> I have uploaded a new version of the draft with this change (and also
> a new version of the dependant document
> draft-ietf-netconf-nmda-netconf)
>
>
> /martin
>
>
>
> Martin Bjorklund  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Adam Roach  wrote:
>>> Adam Roach has entered the following ballot position for
>>> draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis-06: No Objection
>>>
>>> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all
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>>> introductory paragraph, however.)
>>>
>>>
>>> Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html
>>> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.
>>>
>>>
>>> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> COMMENT:
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Thanks for the work everyone did on this document.
>>>
>>> ID Nits reports:
>>>
>>>    ** Obsolete normative reference: RFC 5246 (Obsoleted by RFC 8446)
>>>    ** Obsolete normative reference: RFC 6536 (Obsoleted by RFC 8341)
>> Fixed.
>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Page 16:
>>>
>>>>       leaf checksum {
>>>>         type string;
>>>>         mandatory true;
>>>>         description
>>>>           "A server-generated checksum of the contents of the
>>>>            'yang-library' tree.  The server MUST change the value of
>>>>            this leaf if the information represented by the
>>>>            'yang-library' tree, except 'yang-library/checksum', has
>>>>            changed.";
>>> I suspect that changing the name of this node in the tree would be disruptive
>>> at this point in time, but this is clearly not a checksum ("There is no
>>> requirement that the same information always results in the same 'checksum'
>>> value"). I would suggest updating the description to use the term "version
>>> identifier" or something similar.
>> Since so many people brought this up, I will go back to WG and propose
>> a name change for this leaf.  "YANG library content version
>> identifier" or "leaf version-id" for short.
>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> §8.2:
>>>
>>>>   [RFC8340]  Bjorklund, M. and L. Berger, Ed., "YANG Tree Diagrams",
>>>>              BCP 215, RFC 8340, DOI 10.17487/RFC8340, March 2018,
>>>>              .
>>> Since this document is required to understand the syntax used in the tree
>>> diagrams used by this document, it should be normative rather than
>>> informative.
>> This has been discussed in the WG (NETMOD, who produced RFC 8340), and
>> the conclusion was to have the tree diagram reference as an
>> Informative reference.  The diagrams are a way to illustrate the
>> structure of the YANG module.  The YANG module is the authoritative
>> source.  You will find this in all YANG RFCs > 8340, and all current
>> drafts.  (except I just found that 8341 is missing the reference
>> completely...)
>>
>>
>> /martin
>>
>>
>>


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Hi Martin and Andy,

We have updated the section number as mentioned.  

Thank you.

RFC Editor/mf



On Sep 23, 2018, at 11:38 PM, Martin Bjorklund  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> This errata should be accepted; however it is for secion B.3.8, not
> 8.3.8.
> 
> 
> /martin
> 
> 
> 
> RFC Errata System  wrote:
>> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC8040,
>> "RESTCONF Protocol".
>> 
>> --------------------------------------
>> You may review the report below and at:
>> http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5504
>> 
>> --------------------------------------
>> Type: Editorial
>> Reported by: Andy Bierman 
>> 
>> Section: 8.3.8
>> 
>> Original Text
>> -------------
>>      GET /mystreams/NETCONF?start-time=2014-10-25T10%3A02%3A00Z\
>>         &stop-time=2014-10-25T12%3A31%3A00Z
>> 
>> Corrected Text
>> --------------
>>      GET /streams/NETCONF?start-time=2014-10-25T10%3A02%3A00Z\
>>         &stop-time=2014-10-25T12%3A31%3A00Z
>> 
>> Notes
>> -----
>> The node 'mystreams' is incorrect.
>> 
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>> --------------------------------------
>> RFC8040 (draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-18)
>> --------------------------------------
>> Title               : RESTCONF Protocol
>> Publication Date    : January 2017
>> Author(s)           : A. Bierman, M. Bjorklund, K. Watsen
>> Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
>> Source              : Network Configuration
>> Area                : Operations and Management
>> Stream              : IETF
>> Verifying Party     : IESG
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration WG of the IETF.

        Title           : UDP based Publication Channel for Streaming Telemetry
        Authors         : Guangying Zheng
                          Tianran Zhou
                          Alexander Clemm
	Filename        : draft-ietf-netconf-udp-pub-channel-04.txt
	Pages           : 22
	Date            : 2018-10-19

Abstract:
   This document describes a UDP-based publication channel for streaming
   telemetry use to collect data from devices.  A new shim header is
   proposed to facilitate the distributed data collection mechanism
   which directly pushes data from line cards to the collector.  Because
   of the lightweight UDP encapsulation, higher frequency and better
   transit performance can be achieved.



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Dear Mahesh Jethanandani,

The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled.
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    netconf Session 1 (2:00 requested)
    Monday, 5 November 2018, Morning Session I 0900-1100
    Room Name: Chitlada 3 size: 200
    ---------------------------------------------


iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/sessions/netconf.ics

Request Information:


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Working Group Name: Network Configuration
Area Name: Operations and Management Area
Session Requester: Mahesh Jethanandani

Number of Sessions: 1
Length of Session(s):  2 Hours
Number of Attendees: 75
Conflicts to Avoid: 
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People who must be present:
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  Kent Watsen
  Ignas Bagdonas

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Dynamic subscription to YANG Events and Datastores over RESTCONF
        Authors         : Eric Voit
                          Reshad Rahman
                          Einar Nilsen-Nygaard
                          Alexander Clemm
                          Andy Bierman
	Filename        : draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-notif-09.txt
	Pages           : 25
	Date            : 2018-10-19

Abstract:
   This document provides a RESTCONF binding to the dynamic subscription
   capability of both subscribed notifications and YANG-Push.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-notif/

There are also htmlized versions available at:
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-notif-09

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Hi,

In section 4.1, this draft explains how a dynamic subscription can be
used with UPC.  How is this supposed to work?  There is no way to
indicate in an  that the UPC protocol should
be used instead of sending  to the NETCONF client that
sent the .


/martin



internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
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> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration WG of the IETF.
> 
>         Title           : UDP based Publication Channel for Streaming Telemetry
>         Authors         : Guangying Zheng
>                           Tianran Zhou
>                           Alexander Clemm
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-netconf-udp-pub-channel-04.txt
> 	Pages           : 22
> 	Date            : 2018-10-19
> 
> Abstract:
>    This document describes a UDP-based publication channel for streaming
>    telemetry use to collect data from devices.  A new shim header is
>    proposed to facilitate the distributed data collection mechanism
>    which directly pushes data from line cards to the collector.  Because
>    of the lightweight UDP encapsulation, higher frequency and better
>    transit performance can be achieved.
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        Title           : Common YANG Data Types for Cryptography
        Authors         : Kent Watsen
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	Filename        : draft-ietf-netconf-crypto-types-02.txt
	Pages           : 52
	Date            : 2018-10-22

Abstract:
   This document defines YANG identities, typedefs, the groupings useful
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        Title           : YANG Data Model for Global Trust Anchors
        Author          : Kent Watsen
	Filename        : draft-ietf-netconf-trust-anchors-02.txt
	Pages           : 15
	Date            : 2018-10-22

Abstract:
   This document defines a YANG 1.1 data model for configuring global
   sets of X.509 certificates and SSH host-keys that can be referenced
   by other data models for trust.  While the SSH host-keys are uniquely
   for the SSH protocol, the X.509 certificates may have multiple uses,
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        Title           : YANG Data Model for a Centralized Keystore Mechanism
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	Filename        : draft-ietf-netconf-keystore-07.txt
	Pages           : 21
	Date            : 2018-10-22

Abstract:
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   enables centralized configuration of asymmetric keys and their
   associated certificates, and notification for when configured
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        Title           : YANG Groupings for SSH Clients and SSH Servers
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                          Liang Xia
	Filename        : draft-ietf-netconf-ssh-client-server-08.txt
	Pages           : 40
	Date            : 2018-10-22

Abstract:
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                          Liang Xia
	Filename        : draft-ietf-netconf-tls-client-server-08.txt
	Pages           : 40
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Abstract:
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        Title           : RESTCONF Client and Server Models
        Author          : Kent Watsen
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Abstract:
   This document defines two YANG modules, one module to configure a
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   Both modules support the TLS transport protocol with both standard
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Abstract:
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        Title           : Subscription to YANG Datastores
        Authors         : Alexander Clemm
                          Eric Voit
                          Alberto Gonzalez Prieto
                          Ambika Prasad Tripathy
                          Einar Nilsen-Nygaard
                          Andy Bierman
                          Balazs Lengyel
	Filename        : draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push-20.txt
	Pages           : 57
	Date            : 2018-10-22

Abstract:
   Via the mechanism described in this document, subscriber applications
   may request a continuous, customized stream of updates from a YANG
   datastore.  Providing such visibility into updates enables new
   capabilities based on the remote mirroring and monitoring of
   configuration and operational state.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push/

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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push-20

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push-20


Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission
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The IESG has approved the following document:
- 'YANG Library'
  (draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis-07.txt) as Proposed Standard

This document is the product of the Network Configuration Working Group.

The IESG contact persons are Warren Kumari and Ignas Bagdonas.

A URL of this Internet Draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-rfc7895bis/




Technical Summary

This document specifies NMDA extensions to YANG Library – a mechanism for exporting the information about modules, schemas, and datastores used by the network management server that is NMDA compliant. 


Working Group Summary

This is an extension of YANG Library to be aligned with NMDA, it does not specify a new mechanism, therefore the WG process did not result in major controversies. As NMDA was in development at the same time, there were various options being explored, which eventually resulted in a WG consensus. 


Document Quality

There are indications from both closed and open source vendors for plans to implement this mechanism. The non-NMDA compliant YANG library is implemented and is in use, therefore it is expected that NMDA compliant YANG Library would be implemented and used too. 


Personnel

Document Shepherd is Mahesh Jethanandani. Responsible AD is Ignas Bagdonas. 


IANA Note

The document takes over the existing entries in IETF XML URI and YANG Module Names registries without changing the values of the entries. 
 




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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Subscription to YANG Event Notifications
        Authors         : Eric Voit
                          Alexander Clemm
                          Alberto Gonzalez Prieto
                          Einar Nilsen-Nygaard
                          Ambika Prasad Tripathy
	Filename        : draft-ietf-netconf-subscribed-notifications-18.txt
	Pages           : 77
	Date            : 2018-10-23

Abstract:
   This document defines a YANG data model and associated mechanisms
   enabling subscriber-specific subscriptions to a publisher's event
   streams.  Applying these elements allows a subscriber to request for
   and receive a continuous, custom feed of publisher generated
   information.


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Dynamic subscription to YANG Events and Datastores over NETCONF
        Authors         : Eric Voit
                          Alexander Clemm
                          Alberto Gonzalez Prieto
                          Einar Nilsen-Nygaard
                          Ambika Prasad Tripathy
	Filename        : draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-notifications-14.txt
	Pages           : 17
	Date            : 2018-10-23

Abstract:
   This document provides a NETCONF binding to the dynamic subscription
   capability of both subscribed notifications and YANG push.

   RFC Editor note: please replace the four references to pre-RFC
   normative drafts with the actual assigned RFC numbers.


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Hi,

I had a quick look at the diff and found two issues:

In Figure 6, the prefix "ypatch:" is still present on a couple of
leafs:

          |     +--ro patch-id        string
          |     +--ro ypatch:comment?    string

...


And in the module you have accidentally added the number "6":

               values marshalled and placed into a new update
              6 record.";
             ^^^


/martin


internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
> 
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration WG of the IETF.
> 
>         Title           : Subscription to YANG Datastores
>         Authors         : Alexander Clemm
>                           Eric Voit
>                           Alberto Gonzalez Prieto
>                           Ambika Prasad Tripathy
>                           Einar Nilsen-Nygaard
>                           Andy Bierman
>                           Balazs Lengyel
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push-20.txt
> 	Pages           : 57
> 	Date            : 2018-10-22
> 
> Abstract:
>    Via the mechanism described in this document, subscriber applications
>    may request a continuous, customized stream of updates from a YANG
>    datastore.  Providing such visibility into updates enables new
>    capabilities based on the remote mirroring and monitoring of
>    configuration and operational state.
> 
> 
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push/
> 
> There are also htmlized versions available at:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push-20
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push-20
> 
> A diff from the previous version is available at:
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push-20
> 
> 
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Very minimal changes.  =20

(a) Name change to unify the set of subscription drafts

(b) Transport leaf made optional in the YANG model.

(c) Nit fix per the thread "WGLC on restconf-notif-08".  SN should have alw=
ays had the same behavior between  and  in whether they need to come from the same subscriber as the .    The behavior is now re-unified with the text.=20

Still tracking the outcome of the "xpath expressions in JSON" thread on the=
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This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Subscription to YANG Event Notifications
        Authors         : Eric Voit
                          Alexander Clemm
                          Alberto Gonzalez Prieto
                          Einar Nilsen-Nygaard
                          Ambika Prasad Tripathy
	Filename        : draft-ietf-netconf-subscribed-notifications-18.txt
	Pages           : 77
	Date            : 2018-10-23

Abstract:
   This document defines a YANG data model and associated mechanisms
   enabling subscriber-specific subscriptions to a publisher's event
   streams.  Applying these elements allows a subscriber to request for
   and receive a continuous, custom feed of publisher generated
   information.


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To: Martin Bjorklund , "netconf@ietf.org" 
Thread-Topic: [Netconf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push-20.txt
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Ugh.  Thank you.  Will fix as soon as submission window reopens. =20
--- Alex

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Martin
> Bjorklund
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 11:40 PM
> To: netconf@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Netconf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push-20.txt
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> I had a quick look at the diff and found two issues:
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> In Figure 6, the prefix "ypatch:" is still present on a couple of
> leafs:
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>           |     +--ro patch-id        string
>           |     +--ro ypatch:comment?    string
>=20
> ....
>=20
>=20
> And in the module you have accidentally added the number "6":
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>                values marshalled and placed into a new update
>               6 record.";
>              ^^^
>=20
>=20
> /martin
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> internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
> >
> > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts dire=
ctories.
> > This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration WG of the IETF.
> >
> >         Title           : Subscription to YANG Datastores
> >         Authors         : Alexander Clemm
> >                           Eric Voit
> >                           Alberto Gonzalez Prieto
> >                           Ambika Prasad Tripathy
> >                           Einar Nilsen-Nygaard
> >                           Andy Bierman
> >                           Balazs Lengyel
> > 	Filename        : draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push-20.txt
> > 	Pages           : 57
> > 	Date            : 2018-10-22
> >
> > Abstract:
> >    Via the mechanism described in this document, subscriber application=
s
> >    may request a continuous, customized stream of updates from a YANG
> >    datastore.  Providing such visibility into updates enables new
> >    capabilities based on the remote mirroring and monitoring of
> >    configuration and operational state.
> >
> >
> > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push/
> >
> > There are also htmlized versions available at:
> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push-20
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push-20
> >
> > A diff from the previous version is available at:
> > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-netconf-yang-push-20
> >
> >
> > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
> > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.i=
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> >
> > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
> > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
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Kent Watsen  wrote:
> 
> > Since this is an existing issue (not caused by the -notif drafts),
> > if the outcome is slow can we just remove this example to be able
> > to advance those docs?
> 
> It appears that the outcome is slow.  Any objection to removing the
> example so the Last Call can close?

Yes, I object to that.  I think we need to address the issue, rather
than pretending it isn't an issue.  If we can't figure out what an
example looks like, how is an implementor supposed to get this right?

IMO SN should adopt the solution proposed by Juergen, and the example
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=B3=AD=CB=CD: Eric Voit (evoit)

=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [Netconf] Solicit comments on inline action capability for NETCONF






 


Hi Qin,


Having read this draft, I can understand what the d=
raft is proposing, but I don't currently understand why this is useful.&nbs=
p; Specifically, I don't find the example that is in the draft as compellin=
g.  If the desire is to set the MTU and
 enable the interface as one configuration operation, then wouldn't the cli=
ent just configure both mtu and enabled leaves at the same time.  Why =
is a separate action required here to enable the interface?


So I'm struggling to think of actions that apply to=
 configuration datastores where the same behaviour cannot just be achieved =
via a simple configuration manipulation.  One use case could be wantin=
g to repeat the same configuration on many
 interfaces at the same time, but for this, I think that a configuration te=
mplating solution would be preferable rather than using actions, and a temp=
lating would probably just reused edit-config/edit-data.  So, if you h=
ave some other more concrete examples
 of actions that apply to configuration datastores, that might be helpful.<=
o:p>


[Qin]: Come back for this d=
iscussion. One typical example is Configure multiple UserVLANTag range on t=
runk interface Ethernet0/0


UserVLANTag Range 1 [1,5]


UserVLANTag Range [6,10]


Using configuration templat=
e to replicate multiple copies on the same interface from the client to the=
 server result in a significant amount of signaling traffic(e.g,edit-config=
 operation related to protocol message)
 on a periodic basis, in this example, we require 10 time exchange between =
the client and the server(device).


With inline action, we can =
introduce bulk operation, so we only need to send one protocol message for =
such bulk operatio, configuration template can also be used in this case, t=
he difference is configuration template
 is only used within the server, which is more efficient.=



Another question (which I think is similar to the o=
ne that Eric has also asked) is whether to have transactions that mix confi=
guration operations and action operations on <operational>.  E.g=
. perhaps enable an interface and reset the counters
 at the same time, or perform some config change and establish a dynamic su=
bscription at the same time.  But I question how robust this would end=
 up being (I'm not generally a fan of distributed transactions - they never=
 seem to be as robust as they claim to
 be).  Perhaps one for future thought and discussion.


[Qin]: Withdraw such case.<=
o:p>


Thanks,

Rob


 




On 03/07/2018 22:01, Qin Wu wro=
te:






Hi, Folks:

We have posted inline action ca=
pability draft on Jun 28:


https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/netconf/c=
urrent/msg14823.html


 


One comment we received from the list is:<=
/span>


https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web=
/netconf/current/msg14863.html


The v-(01) is uploaded to address this com=
ment.


Therefore we would like to draw=
 you attention again on this draft


https://tools.ietf.org/html/d=
raft-zheng-netconf-inline-action-capability-01


We would like to receive more r=
eview and feedback on this draft, thanks.


 


-Qin











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Hi Qin,


On 25/10/2018 14:30, Qin Wu wrote:
>
> *å‘件人:*Robert Wilton [mailto:rwilton@cisco.com]
> *å‘é€æ—¶é—´:*2018å¹´7月17æ—¥20:09
> *收件人:*Qin Wu; netconf@ietf.org
> *抄é€:*Eric Voit (evoit)
> *主题:*Re: [Netconf] Solicit comments on inline action capability for 
> NETCONF
>
> Hi Qin,
>
> Having read this draft, I can understand what the draft is proposing, 
> but I don't currently understand why this is useful.  Specifically, I 
> don't find the example that is in the draft as compelling.  If the 
> desire is to set the MTU and enable the interface as one configuration 
> operation, then wouldn't the client just configure both mtu and 
> enabled leaves at the same time.  Why is a separate action required 
> here to enable the interface?
>
> So I'm struggling to think of actions that apply to configuration 
> datastores where the same behaviour cannot just be achieved via a 
> simple configuration manipulation.  One use case could be wanting to 
> repeat the same configuration on many interfaces at the same time, but 
> for this, I think that a configuration templating solution would be 
> preferable rather than using actions, and a templating would probably 
> just reused edit-config/edit-data.  So, if you have some other more 
> concrete examples of actions that apply to configuration datastores, 
> that might be helpful.
>
> [Qin]: Come back for this discussion. One typical example is Configure 
> multiple UserVLANTag range on trunk interface Ethernet0/0
>
> UserVLANTag Range 1 [1,5]
>
> UserVLANTag Range [6,10]
>
> Using configuration template to replicate multiple copies on the same 
> interface from the client to the server result in a significant amount 
> of signaling traffic(e.g,edit-config operation related to protocol 
> message) on a periodic basis, in this example, we require 10 time 
> exchange between the client and the server(device).
>
I'm sorry, but I don't follow this example.  Why can't this be done as a 
single edit-config request that updates all the VLANs in a single message?

Thanks,
Rob


> With inline action, we can introduce bulk operation, so we only need 
> to send one protocol message for such bulk operatio, configuration 
> template can also be used in this case, the difference is 
> configuration template is only used within the server, which is more 
> efficient.
>
> Another question (which I think is similar to the one that Eric has 
> also asked) is whether to have transactions that mix configuration 
> operations and action operations on .  E.g. perhaps 
> enable an interface and reset the counters at the same time, or 
> perform some config change and establish a dynamic subscription at the 
> same time.  But I question how robust this would end up being (I'm not 
> generally a fan of distributed transactions - they never seem to be as 
> robust as they claim to be).  Perhaps one for future thought and 
> discussion.
>
> [Qin]: Withdraw such case.
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
>
> On 03/07/2018 22:01, Qin Wu wrote:
>
>     Hi, Folks:
>
>     We have posted inline action capability draft on Jun 28:
>
>     https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/netconf/current/msg14823.html
>
>     One comment we received from the list is:
>
>     https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/netconf/current/msg14863.html
>
>     The v-(01) is uploaded to address this comment.
>
>     Therefore we would like to draw you attention again on this draft
>
>     https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zheng-netconf-inline-action-capability-01
>
>     We would like to receive more review and feedback on this draft,
>     thanks.
>
>     -Qin
>
>
>
>
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Hi Qin,

    

    

    
On 25/10/2018 14:30, Qin Wu wrote:

    

    

      
      
      
      

        

          

            
å‘件人: Robert Wilton [mailto:rwilton@cisco.com]
                

              å‘é€æ—¶é—´: 2018å¹´7月17æ—¥ 20:09

                收件人: Qin Wu; netconf@ietf.org

                抄é€: Eric Voit (evoit)

                主题: Re: [Netconf] Solicit comments on inline
                  action capability for NETCONF

          

        

        
 

        
Hi Qin,

        
Having read this draft, I can understand
            what the draft is proposing, but I don't currently
            understand why this is useful.  Specifically, I don't find
            the example that is in the draft as compelling.  If the
            desire is to set the MTU and enable the interface as one
            configuration operation, then wouldn't the client just
            configure both mtu and enabled leaves at the same time.  Why
            is a separate action required here to enable the interface?

        
So I'm struggling to think of actions that
            apply to configuration datastores where the same behaviour
            cannot just be achieved via a simple configuration
            manipulation.  One use case could be wanting to repeat the
            same configuration on many interfaces at the same time, but
            for this, I think that a configuration templating solution
            would be preferable rather than using actions, and a
            templating would probably just reused
            edit-config/edit-data.  So, if you have some other more
            concrete examples of actions that apply to configuration
            datastores, that might be helpful.

        
[Qin]: Come back for
            this discussion. One typical example is Configure multiple
            UserVLANTag range on trunk interface Ethernet0/0

        
UserVLANTag Range 1
            [1,5]

        
UserVLANTag Range
            [6,10]

        
Using configuration
            template to replicate multiple copies on the same interface
            from the client to the server result in a significant amount
            of signaling traffic(e.g,edit-config operation related to
            protocol message) on a periodic basis, in this example, we
            require 10 time exchange between the client and the
            server(device).

      

    

    
I'm sorry, but I don't follow this example.  Why can't this be
      done as a single edit-config request that updates all the VLANs in
      a single message?

    
Thanks,

      Rob

    

    

    

      

        

        
With inline action,
            we can introduce bulk operation, so we only need to send one
            protocol message for such bulk operatio, configuration
            template can also be used in this case, the difference is
            configuration template is only used within the server, which
            is more efficient.

        
Another question (which I think is similar
            to the one that Eric has also asked) is whether to have
            transactions that mix configuration operations and action
            operations on <operational>.  E.g. perhaps enable an
            interface and reset the counters at the same time, or
            perform some config change and establish a dynamic
            subscription at the same time.  But I question how robust
            this would end up being (I'm not generally a fan of
            distributed transactions - they never seem to be as robust
            as they claim to be).  Perhaps one for future thought and
            discussion.

        
[Qin]: Withdraw such
            case.

        
Thanks,

            Rob

        
 

        

          
On 03/07/2018 22:01,
              Qin Wu wrote:

        

        

          
Hi, Folks:

          
We have posted inline
              action capability draft on Jun 28:

          
https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/netconf/current/msg14823.html

          
 

          
One comment we received from the list is:

          
https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/netconf/current/msg14863.html

          
The v-(01) is uploaded to address this comment.

          
Therefore we would
              like to draw you attention again on this draft

          
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zheng-netconf-inline-action-capability-01

          
We would like to
              receive more review and feedback on this draft, thanks.

          
 

          
-Qin

          


              

              

              

          
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If you configure 100 interfaces, specify 10 vlan tag for each interface, th=
e message size will be extremely long. In addition, it doesn't support vlan=
 range merge or split.








=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BA Robert Wilton


=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BA Qin Wu<bill.wu@huawei.com>;netconf<netconf@ietf.org>


=B3=AD=CB=CD=A3=BA Eric Voit (evoit)<evoit@cisco.com>


=D6=F7=CC=E2=A3=BA Re: [Netconf] Solicit comments on inline act=
ion capability for NETCONF


=CA=B1=BC=E4=A3=BA 2018-10-25 21:46:28








Hi Qin,






On 25/10/2018 14:30, Qin Wu wrote:












=B7=A2=
=BC=FE=C8=CB: Rober=
t Wilton
 [mail=
to:rwilton@cisco.com]


=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2018=C4=EA7=D4=C217=C8=D5
 20:09

=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Qin Wu; 
netconf@ietf.org

=B3=AD=CB=CD: Eric Voit (evoit)

=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [Netconf] Solicit comments on inline action capability for NETCONF






 


Hi Qin,


Having read this draft, I can understand what the d=
raft is proposing, but I don't currently understand why this is useful.&nbs=
p; Specifically, I don't find the example that is in the draft as compellin=
g.  If the desire is to set the MTU and
 enable the interface as one configuration operation, then wouldn't the cli=
ent just configure both mtu and enabled leaves at the same time.  Why =
is a separate action required here to enable the interface?


So I'm struggling to think of actions that apply to=
 configuration datastores where the same behaviour cannot just be achieved =
via a simple configuration manipulation.  One use case could be wantin=
g to repeat the same configuration on many
 interfaces at the same time, but for this, I think that a configuration te=
mplating solution would be preferable rather than using actions, and a temp=
lating would probably just reused edit-config/edit-data.  So, if you h=
ave some other more concrete examples
 of actions that apply to configuration datastores, that might be helpful.<=
/span>


[Qin]: Come back for this d=
iscussion. One typical example is Configure multiple UserVLANTag range on t=
runk interface Ethernet0/0


UserVLANTag Range 1 [1,5]


UserVLANTag Range [6,10]


Using configuration templat=
e to replicate multiple copies on the same interface from the client to the=
 server result in a significant amount of signaling traffic(e.g,edit-config=
 operation related to protocol message)
 on a periodic basis, in this example, we require 10 time exchange between =
the client and the server(device).






I'm sorry, but I don't follow this example.  Why can't this be done=
 as a single edit-config request that updates all the VLANs in a single mes=
sage?


Thanks,

Rob












With inline action, we can =
introduce bulk operation, so we only need to send one protocol message for =
such bulk operatio, configuration template can also be used in this case, t=
he difference is configuration template
 is only used within the server, which is more efficient.


Another question (which I think is similar to the o=
ne that Eric has also asked) is whether to have transactions that mix confi=
guration operations and action operations on <operational>.  E.g=
. perhaps enable an interface and reset the counters
 at the same time, or perform some config change and establish a dynamic su=
bscription at the same time.  But I question how robust this would end=
 up being (I'm not generally a fan of distributed transactions - they never=
 seem to be as robust as they claim to
 be).  Perhaps one for future thought and discussion.


[Qin]: Withdraw such case.<=
/span>


Thanks,

Rob


 




On 03/07/2018 22:01, Qin Wu wro=
te:






Hi, Folks:


We have posted inline action ca=
pability draft on Jun 28:


https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/netconf/=
current/msg14823.html


 =



One comment we received from the list is:=



https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/we=
b/netconf/current/msg14863.html

The v-(01) is uploaded to address this co=
mment.


Therefore we would like to draw=
 you attention again on this draft


https://tools.ietf.org/html/=
draft-zheng-netconf-inline-action-capability-01


We would like to receive more r=
eview and feedback on this draft, thanks.


 


-Qin











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Hi,

Kent Watsen  wrote:
> Hi Reshad,
> 
> > Most of the comments received during WGLC (from Kent, Martin and
> > Qin) have been addressed. Those not addressed are:
> >
> > 1- s/uri/location/ (to use same term as in RFC8040), I'm fine with
> >   this change but would like to hear from WG.
> 
> 
> I resist the idea that node names need to be consistent across modules.

I agree.  In this case I would have used the existing name, instead of
inventing a new name.

Not important though.

> Yes, there exists some meta-conventions (e.g., the "enabled" leaf) that
> are unfortunately with us at the moment.
> 
> Modules should firstly use whatever name makes most sense for their
> own purpose.  If it doesn't matter, then picking a value consistent
> with another module is okay, but I wouldn't spend more than five 
> minutes searching for it.
> 
> FWIW, the zerotouch draft has an inet:uri node called "download-uri".
> I don't know if it's a better name within the ZTP context, but it 
> made sense to me at the time and no one questioned it.
> 
> 
> 
> > 2- Allowing modify/delete subscription from a different connection. There
> >  was a discussion between Martin and Eric on this topic:
> > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netconf/3WaiWBVlLhj9wBOtuFuxVJkfsig
> 
> RESTCONF doesn't have connections, per se, but sometimes drafts refer to
> the underlying TLS connection.
> 
> Regardless, the general goals (for NETCONF too, I would think) could be:
>   - a client (i.e., a RESTCONF username) can always modify/delete/resynch
>     their own subscriptions.
>   - an authorized administrator can modify/kill any client's subscription.

I agree that tying it to the username (RESTCONF or NETCONF or others)
makes sense.  But note that this can be done with NACM rules.  It
doesn't have to be built into the spec.  The details should go into the
SN draft.


/martin


> > 3- Take uri out of subscription-modified. It was pointed out to me that
> > SN draft says the following:
> >
> >       For completeness, this subscription state change notification
> >       includes both modified and non-modified aspects of a subscription.
> 
> I'm unsure how the [non-]modified matters to this question, but it seems
> that "uri" may not be *needed* as there is already an "id" node that
> achieves the similar ability to identify the subscription.  That said,
> I'm okay with the "uri" field being present, even if it's only mildly
> helpful, so long as there is no concern for the message size or the 
> publisher's ability to populate the value.
> 
> 
> Kent // contributor
> 
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If you requested a slot for a presentation at 103, note, the meeting is =
on Monday, Nov. 5. We are the first morning session, and will need to =
have the draft version of the slides latest by Friday, with the final =
slides sent to us by Saturday.

Thanks.

Mahesh and Kent.

> On Oct 8, 2018, at 11:13 AM, Kent Watsen  wrote:
>=20
> Dear WG,
>=20
> The preliminary IETF 103 Agenda has been posted [1].  NETCONF is =
scheduled to meet in the first slot Monday morning (November 5th) for =
two hours.
>=20
> If you are interested in presenting to the WG, please send your =
presentation requests to the "netconf-chairs" alias (CC-ed) with the =
following information, for each presentation request, if more than one:
>=20
>  - name of the drafts (if any)
>  - name of presentation (usually same as the name of the draft)
>  - name of the presenters
>  - desired time request in minutes.
>=20
> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/agenda.html
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> Thanks!
> Kent (and Mahesh)
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