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balazs.kovacs@ericsson.com X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: VI1PR07MB6429 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] latest update to crypto-types and keystore drafts X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2019 12:41:20 -0000 --_000_VI1PR07MB4735C489562D237D5A72B24383D90VI1PR07MB4735eurp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, One question regarding migratable keys. The conversation between Kent and M= artin was concluded with this in the list: "That said, the general recommendation, which would both be correct and avo= id any potential failures, would be for the client to remove the device-spe= cific and operator-wide keys first, leaving just the migratable keys in the= config uploaded to the second device." I don't see how migration is possible here. The migratable keys were genera= ted on the first device and are encrypted with the operator key of the firs= t device. Does the second device has a different operator key? If yes, the = migrated encrypted keys cannot be decrypted by the second device. Unless I misunderstand this statement (which I don't see how to achieve in = the model): "3) privileged admin encrypts a well-known (secret to the organization) sym= metric key using the public key from the manufacturer generated asymmetric = key, and stores the result (i.e., into keystore." Does this well-known symmetric key mean that the symmetric key was generate= d externally thus its clear value must be configured to /ks:keystore/ks:asy= mmetric-keys/ks:asymmetric-key/ct:private-key? How is the operator key conf= igured in clear to the second device so that it gets encrypted with the hid= den manufacturer key of the second device? Br, Balazs --_000_VI1PR07MB4735C489562D237D5A72B24383D90VI1PR07MB4735eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

One question regarding migratable keys. The conversa= tion between Kent and Martin was concluded with this in the list:

 

“That said, the general recommendation, which = would both be correct and avoid any potential failures, would be for the cl= ient to remove the device-specific and operator-wide keys first, leaving ju= st the migratable keys in the config uploaded to the second device.”

 

I don’t see how migration is possible here. Th= e migratable keys were generated on the first device and are encrypted with= the operator key of the first device. Does the second device has a differe= nt operator key? If yes, the migrated encrypted keys cannot be decrypted by the second device.

 

Unless I misunderstand this statement (which I don&#= 8217;t see how to achieve in the model):

 

“3) privileged admin encrypts a wel= l-known (secret to the organization) symmetric key using the public key fro= m the manufacturer generated asymmetric key, and stores the result (i.e., <edit-config> into keystore.”<= /p>

 

Does this well-known symmetric key mean that the sym= metric key was generated externally thus its clear value must be configured= to /ks:keystore/ks:asymmetric-keys/ks:asymmetric-key/ct:private-key? How i= s the operator key configured in clear to the second device so that it gets encrypted with the hidden manufacture= r key of the second device?

 

Br,

Balazs

--_000_VI1PR07MB4735C489562D237D5A72B24383D90VI1PR07MB4735eurp_-- From nobody Fri Aug 2 16:48:05 2019 Return-Path: <0100016c54bba638-1b5714c0-bd81-473a-b6f7-71f5ab0033ba-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F9E212004F for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2019 16:48:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kDmnkXcqL-_r for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2019 16:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a8-32.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-32.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.32]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F18FC12002F for ; Fri, 2 Aug 2019 16:48:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=6gbrjpgwjskckoa6a5zn6fwqkn67xbtw; d=amazonses.com; t=1564789679; h=From:Message-Id:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References:Feedback-ID; bh=2YHi7Sgu8IVghbbHhWur2Huidb56r1RQrK3hFQ5nCVs=; b=XBqloAJ3soChilHp6TDWIVSa3zNalzjIlHnpdfOgP0s5XCQjq7ReP0L2GM6GTQu1 Kn5wDz9yUhTNjtPmP/f6kk4J8B3kTyAxNYwm+JIxLk56eOFkCjR16ZbGfzgM2qYPUbs inHEIWY7JNI+TCfpHpFPsEmicNgeW0zbtHp/TDoQ= From: Kent Watsen Message-ID: <0100016c54bba638-1b5714c0-bd81-473a-b6f7-71f5ab0033ba-000000@email.amazonses.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_26AA6899-58FD-491C-B7FA-1C70A51F02FC" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 23:47:59 +0000 In-Reply-To: Cc: "netconf@ietf.org" To: =?utf-8?B?QmFsw6F6cyBLb3bDoWNz?= References: <0100016bb4e4e11b-6cbb1c43-dea2-4c3f-a908-4a9ecfc69589-000000@email.amazonses.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2019.08.02-54.240.8.32 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] latest update to crypto-types and keystore drafts X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2019 23:48:03 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_26AA6899-58FD-491C-B7FA-1C70A51F02FC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Migrating configuration, including encrypted keys, from device-1 to = device-2. Preconditions: 1) the client possesses a "secret" symmetric key - for this example, the key's clear-text value is known to the = organization's=20 "crypto officer", but it seems that it could as well be = protected by an HSM. - this symmetric key value MAY be unique per device, region, or = whatever boundary the organization chooses up to being globally shared = by all devices. 2) devices 1 & 2 each posses a unique asymmetric key that, e.g., may = be associated with an secure device identity (e.g., IDevID) +--------+ +----------+ +----------+ | client | | device 1 | | device 2 | +--------+ +----------+ +----------+ | | | | 1. get config | | |-------------------->| | | | | | 2. scrub config x | |-----------------+ | | | | |<----------------+ | | | | 3. get tpm protected asymmetric key | |------------------------------------------>| | | | 4. encrypt operator's symmetric key | |--------------------------------------+ | | | | |<-------------------------------------+ | | | | 5. stitch encrypted op key into cfg | |--------------------------------------+ | | | | |<-------------------------------------+ | | | | 6. stitch additional info into cfg | |--------------------------------------+ | | | | |<-------------------------------------+ | | | | 7. set config | |------------------------------------------>| | | | | Steps: 1. get config - the client gets the full configuration from device-1 - this config would contain an entry for an encrypted operator key - this config may also contain an entry for the tpm protected key 2. scrub config - remove the encrypted operator key - remove the tpm protected key, if present 3. get tpm protected asymmetric key - the client gets the tpm protected key from device-2 - this key's "private-key" value would be hidden - only the algorithm and public-key values are present 4. encrypt operator's symmetric key - using device-2's public-key, encrypt the operator's "secret" = symmetric key - this is a local operation, using any crypto library 5. stitch encrypted op key into cfg - put the new encrypted operator key into the config 6. stitch additional info into cfg - put other, presumably non-migratable info into the config (e.g., node-locked licenses, etc.) 7. set config - set the new config onto device-2 Done. Makes sense? Kent // contributor > On Aug 2, 2019, at 8:41 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Kov=C3=A1cs = wrote: >=20 > Hi, > =20 > One question regarding migratable keys. The conversation between Kent = and Martin was concluded with this in the list: > =20 > =E2=80=9CThat said, the general recommendation, which would both be = correct and avoid any potential failures, would be for the client to = remove the device-specific and operator-wide keys first, leaving just = the migratable keys in the config uploaded to the second device.=E2=80=9D > =20 > I don=E2=80=99t see how migration is possible here. The migratable = keys were generated on the first device and are encrypted with the = operator key of the first device. Does the second device has a different = operator key? If yes, the migrated encrypted keys cannot be decrypted by = the second device. > =20 > Unless I misunderstand this statement (which I don=E2=80=99t see how = to achieve in the model): > =20 > =E2=80=9C3) privileged admin encrypts a well-known (secret to the = organization) symmetric key using the public key from the manufacturer = generated asymmetric key, and stores the result (i.e., = into keystore.=E2=80=9D > =20 > Does this well-known symmetric key mean that the symmetric key was = generated externally thus its clear value must be configured to = /ks:keystore/ks:asymmetric-keys/ks:asymmetric-key/ct:private-key? How is = the operator key configured in clear to the second device so that it = gets encrypted with the hidden manufacturer key of the second device? > =20 > Br, > Balazs --Apple-Mail=_26AA6899-58FD-491C-B7FA-1C70A51F02FC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

Migrating configuration, = including encrypted keys, from device-1 to device-2.

Preconditions:

    1) the client possesses a "secret" = symmetric key
         - for this = example, the key's clear-text value is known to the = organization's 
          =  "crypto officer", but it seems that it could as well be protected = by an HSM.
         - this symmetric = key value MAY be unique per device, region, or whatever
  =          boundary the organization chooses up = to being globally shared by all
        =    devices.

    = 2) devices 1 & 2 each posses a unique asymmetric key that, e.g., may = be
        associated with an secure = device identity (e.g., IDevID)

+--------+           = +----------+         =  +----------+
| = client |           | device 1 |     =      | device 2 |
+--------+           +----------+ =          +----------+
    |         =             |         =             |
    | 1. get config     =   |                 =     |
    |-------------------->|         =             |
    |         =             |         =             |
    | 2. scrub config     = x                     = |
  =   |-----------------+             =             |
    |     =             |         =                 = |
  =   |<----------------+             =             = |
  =   |                   =                     =     |
    | 3. get tpm protected asymmetric = key    =    |
    = |------------------------------------------>|
    |   =                     =                     = |
    | 4. encrypt operator's = symmetric key       |
    = |--------------------------------------+   =  |
    | =                     =                  |   =  |
  =   |<-------------------------------------+   =  |
    |             =                     =           |
    | 5. stitch encrypted op key = into cfg       |
    = |--------------------------------------+   =  |
    | =                     =                  |   =  |
  =   |<-------------------------------------+   =  |
    |   =                     =                     = |
<= /div>
  =   | 6. stitch additional info into cfg       =  |
    = |--------------------------------------+   =  |
    | =                     =                  |   =  |
  =   |<-------------------------------------+   =  |
    |   =                     =                     = |
    | 7. set = config                   =           |
    = |------------------------------------------>|
    | =                     =                     =   |
    |       =                     =                 = |


Steps:

1. get config

    - the client gets the full = configuration from device-1
    - this config would = contain an entry for an encrypted operator key
    - = this config may also contain an entry for the tpm protected = key

2. scrub config

    - remove the encrypted operator = key
    - remove the tpm protected key, if = present

3. get tpm protected asymmetric = key

    - the client gets = the tpm protected key from device-2
    - this = key's "private-key" value would be hidden
    - only = the algorithm and public-key values are present

4. encrypt operator's symmetric key

    - using device-2's public-key, = encrypt the operator's "secret" symmetric key
    - = this is a local operation, using any crypto library

5. stitch encrypted op key into cfg

    - put the new encrypted operator key = into the config

6. stitch = additional info into cfg

  =   - put other, presumably non-migratable info into the = config
      (e.g., node-locked = licenses, etc.)

7. set config

    - set the new config = onto device-2

Done.  Makes = sense?

Kent // = contributor



On Aug = 2, 2019, at 8:41 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Kov=C3=A1cs <balazs.kovacs@ericsson.com> wrote:

Hi,
 
One = question regarding migratable keys. The conversation between Kent and = Martin was concluded with this in the list:
 
=E2=80=9CTh= at said, the general recommendation, which would both be correct and = avoid any potential failures, would be for the client to remove the = device-specific and operator-wide keys first, leaving just the = migratable keys in the config uploaded to the second device.=E2=80=9D
 
I don=E2=80= =99t see how migration is possible here. The migratable keys were = generated on the first device and are encrypted with the operator key of = the first device. Does the second device has a different operator key? = If yes, the migrated encrypted keys cannot be decrypted by the second = device.
 
Unless I misunderstand this statement (which I don=E2=80=99t = see how to achieve in the model):
 
=E2=80=9C3) privileged admin = encrypts a well-known (secret to the organization) symmetric key using = the public key from the manufacturer generated asymmetric key, and = stores the result (i.e., <edit-config> into keystore.=E2=80=9D
 
Does this well-known symmetric key mean that the symmetric = key was generated externally thus its clear value must be configured to = /ks:keystore/ks:asymmetric-keys/ks:asymmetric-key/ct:private-key? How is = the operator key configured in clear to the second device so that it = gets encrypted with the hidden manufacturer key of the second = device?
 
Br,
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<0100016c54bba638-1b5714c0-bd81-473a-b6f7-71f5ab0033ba-000000@email.amazonses.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2019.08.05-54.240.8.88 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] latest update to crypto-types and keystore drafts X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2019 18:46:32 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_CCBBFD86-B9E8-4CC4-B226-AD6D3B16B4F1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Aug 5, 2019, at 3:58 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Kov=C3=A1cs = wrote: >=20 > Hi Kent, > =20 > Yes, it makes. > =20 > I assume the =E2=80=9Csecret=E2=80=9D symmetric key could be just = equally configured as normal private-key since the key is coming from = outside, depending on the taste of the client if it is just a NACM = protected normal private-key or an encrypted key. Since a symmetric key have "secret" value more so than "private" value, = if we replace "private-key" with "secret-key" above, then yes, I agree. = Stated more plainly, a platform that doesn't have a TPM (or equivalent) = protected asymmetric key, could instead protect the operator's symmetric = key using NACM (i.e., only the crypto-officer/ restore-session can = access it). Is this what you mean? > =20 > Br, > Balazs > =20 Kent --Apple-Mail=_CCBBFD86-B9E8-4CC4-B226-AD6D3B16B4F1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

On Aug 5, 2019, at 3:58 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Kov=C3=A1cs <balazs.kovacs@ericsson.com> wrote:

Hi = Kent,
 
Yes, it = makes.
 
I assume the =E2=80=9Csecret=E2=80=9D symmetric key could be = just equally configured as normal private-key since the key is coming = from outside, depending on the taste of the client if it is just a NACM = protected normal private-key or an encrypted = key.

Since = a symmetric key have "secret" value more so than "private" value, if we = replace "private-key" with "secret-key" above, then yes, I agree. =  Stated more plainly, a platform that doesn't have a TPM (or = equivalent) protected asymmetric key, could instead protect the = operator's symmetric key using NACM (i.e., only the crypto-officer/ = restore-session can access it).  Is this what you = mean?


 
Br,
Balazs
 

Kent

= --Apple-Mail=_CCBBFD86-B9E8-4CC4-B226-AD6D3B16B4F1-- From nobody Mon Aug 5 17:03:13 2019 Return-Path: <0100016c643c960f-c52f6974-49be-439c-8bcf-80f7a1e9c71f-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21AA8120094 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2019 17:03:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HyXAC3TPjQTG for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2019 17:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a8-33.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-33.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4ECC312000E for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2019 17:03:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=6gbrjpgwjskckoa6a5zn6fwqkn67xbtw; d=amazonses.com; t=1565049788; h=From:Message-Id:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References:Feedback-ID; bh=cn96RikuRSvwWnaWfYX9VyUx0RJhrj+GBsCCCnPK9lk=; b=NyXLQ88BF6V/uQgYZCzWXdOHDF9+ewhxPVNPnx463PRev7MptiEyuzPvDljD6Bx1 23QQQvkqyzdvz7o0c7LLgpyJhEiIVO+0PWhyGvOnOBMc3WNc/Y6yDK5P42jCrsiu2TU ZTTfm0bZqh8Cr+XYXn3gZRei+NUdj5IRXmGbuJws= From: Kent Watsen Message-ID: <0100016c643c960f-c52f6974-49be-439c-8bcf-80f7a1e9c71f-000000@email.amazonses.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_41B1F3D5-0FBD-4CB4-A23F-3C700E4E5789" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 00:03:08 +0000 In-Reply-To: <0F5F840E-438E-4134-B38E-ED7BF30312B7@watsen.net> Cc: "netconf@ietf.org" To: =?utf-8?B?QmFsw6F6cyBLb3bDoWNz?= References: <0F5F840E-438E-4134-B38E-ED7BF30312B7@watsen.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2019.08.06-54.240.8.33 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] ietf-keystore, truststore, crypto-types X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2019 00:03:11 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_41B1F3D5-0FBD-4CB4-A23F-3C700E4E5789 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Why do you prefer actions? I found a reason to prefer actions. That being so applications that choose to use the groupings instead = don't have to implement ietf-keystore just to access them. Kent // contributor --Apple-Mail=_41B1F3D5-0FBD-4CB4-A23F-3C700E4E5789 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Why do you prefer actions?

I found a reason to prefer actions.

That being so applications that choose to use the groupings instead don't have to implement ietf-keystore just to access them.


Kent // contributor

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X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2019.08.06-54.240.8.96 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] latest update to crypto-types and keystore drafts X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2019 15:26:40 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_75F5EE29-C110-4B7D-8EB7-C20E0C6D11C1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Balazs, I'm unclear if there is a request for a change of any sort here. One = thing that you may be hinting at is that, while the operator can install = an operator key, there is no current mechanism to enforce that keys are = encrypted with it, or even at all. =20 I'm currently unsure if there should be a knob/feature for this. = Perhaps servers should just trust the clients? Most clients will be = wrapped inside a controller/NMS app, and thus may restrict/enforce as = needed via their interfaces to the human-operators. Would this be good = enough? Kent > On Aug 6, 2019, at 3:11 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Kov=C3=A1cs = wrote: >=20 > Hi Kent, > =20 > Yes, sorry. This addition of symmetric-key is still to new to me. I = meant the equivalent of clear and NACM protected key under symmetric = keys. Which is just called =E2=80=98key=E2=80=99 in = draft-ietf-netconf-keystore-12. > =20 > The reasons could be: the TPM or equivalent key may not exist or may = not be present in keystore (which are roughly the same); or since the = encryption of the operator-key is all up to the client, the client may = just not implement encryption with the TPM or equivalent hidden public = key as the client does not see extra security gains with that (the = operator-key was created outside anyhow so it is already known by the = client). > =20 > Br, > Balazs > =20 > From: Kent Watsen >=20= > Sent: Monday, August 5, 2019 8:46 PM > To: Bal=C3=A1zs Kov=C3=A1cs > > Cc: netconf@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netconf] latest update to crypto-types and keystore = drafts > =20 > =20 >=20 >=20 > On Aug 5, 2019, at 3:58 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Kov=C3=A1cs = > wrote: > =20 > Hi Kent, > =20 > Yes, it makes. > =20 > I assume the =E2=80=9Csecret=E2=80=9D symmetric key could be just = equally configured as normal private-key since the key is coming from = outside, depending on the taste of the client if it is just a NACM = protected normal private-key or an encrypted key. > =20 > Since a symmetric key have "secret" value more so than "private" = value, if we replace "private-key" with "secret-key" above, then yes, I = agree. Stated more plainly, a platform that doesn't have a TPM (or = equivalent) protected asymmetric key, could instead protect the = operator's symmetric key using NACM (i.e., only the crypto-officer/ = restore-session can access it). Is this what you mean? > =20 >=20 >=20 > =20 > Br, > Balazs > =20 > =20 > Kent --Apple-Mail=_75F5EE29-C110-4B7D-8EB7-C20E0C6D11C1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi = Balazs,

I'm unclear = if there is a request for a change of any sort here.   One thing = that you may be hinting at is that, while the operator can install an = operator key, there is no current mechanism to enforce that keys are = encrypted with it, or even at all.   

I'm currently unsure if there should be = a knob/feature for this.  Perhaps servers should just trust the = clients?  Most clients will be wrapped inside a controller/NMS app, = and thus may restrict/enforce as needed via their interfaces to the = human-operators.  Would this be good enough?
Kent


On Aug 6, 2019, at 3:11 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Kov=C3=A1cs <balazs.kovacs@ericsson.com> wrote:

Hi = Kent,
 
Yes, = sorry. This addition of symmetric-key is still to new to me. I meant the = equivalent of clear and NACM protected key under symmetric keys. Which = is just called =E2=80=98key=E2=80=99 in = draft-ietf-netconf-keystore-12.
 
The reasons could be: the TPM or = equivalent key may not exist or may not be present in keystore (which = are roughly the same); or since the encryption of the operator-key is = all up to the client, the client may just not implement encryption with = the TPM or equivalent hidden public key as the client does not see extra = security gains with that (the operator-key was created outside anyhow so = it is already known by the client).
 
Br,
Balazs
 
From: Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net> 
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2019 8:46 = PM
To: Bal=C3=A1zs Kov=C3=A1cs = <balazs.kovacs@ericsson.com>
Cc: netconf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [netconf] latest update = to crypto-types and keystore drafts
 
 


On Aug 5, 2019, at 3:58 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Kov=C3=A1cs <balazs.kovacs@ericsson.com>= wrote:
 
Hi Kent,
 
Yes, it makes.
 
I assume the =E2=80=9Csecret=E2=80=9D = symmetric key could be just equally configured as normal private-key = since the key is coming from outside, depending on the taste of the = client if it is just a NACM protected normal private-key or an encrypted = key.
 
Since a symmetric key have "secret" value more so than = "private" value, if we replace "private-key" with "secret-key" above, = then yes, I agree.  Stated more plainly, a platform that doesn't = have a TPM (or equivalent) protected asymmetric key, could instead = protect the operator's symmetric key using NACM (i.e., only the = crypto-officer/ restore-session can access it).  Is this what you = mean?
 


 
Br,
Balazs
 
 
Kent

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X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2019 15:33:03 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_765A3BDA-CA96-46EF-9E98-886CB299E25F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Rich, What do you mean by "the crypto objects" drafts? Do you mean = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-crypto-types = ? Is so, = then please see the discussion starting on slide #4 here: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-netconf-clie= nt-server-suite-of-drafts-00 = . As an update to that, the Sec DIr discussed with Roman, who discussed = with IESG in Montreal. Nothing significant seemed to come out of it = though. l just pinged the Sec Dir for an update. If you mean any other draft listed on the first slide on the preso = linked above, or RFC 8366 or RFC 8572, I can field questions on them as = well, on or off list. Kent > On Aug 8, 2019, at 7:50 AM, Salz, Rich wrote: >=20 > I am new to netconf. I am very concerned about the crypto objects = drafts, and would like to do some background reading on the discussion = threads before commenting. Does anyone have useful pointers they can = share? Replies to me will be summarized for the list. Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > netconf mailing list > netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf = --Apple-Mail=_765A3BDA-CA96-46EF-9E98-886CB299E25F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hi = Rich,

What do you mean by "the = crypto objects" drafts?   Do you mean https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-crypto-types= ?  Is so, then please see the discussion starting on slide #4 = here:  https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-n= etconf-client-server-suite-of-drafts-00.
As an update to that, the Sec DIr discussed = with Roman, who discussed with IESG in Montreal.  Nothing = significant seemed to come out of it though.  l just pinged the Sec = Dir for an update.

If you mean any other = draft listed on the first slide on the preso linked above, or RFC 8366 = or RFC 8572, I can field questions on them as well, on or off = list.

Kent


On Aug = 8, 2019, at 7:50 AM, Salz, Rich <rsalz@akamai.com> wrote:

I am new to netconf. I am very = concerned about the crypto objects drafts, and would like to do some = background reading on the discussion threads before commenting. Does = anyone have useful pointers they can share?  Replies to me will be = summarized for the list.  Thanks.
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= --Apple-Mail=_765A3BDA-CA96-46EF-9E98-886CB299E25F-- From nobody Thu Aug 8 08:55:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietf.org Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC721200E7; Thu, 8 Aug 2019 08:54:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.100.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: ibagdona@gmail.com, draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-notif@ietf.org, netconf-chairs@ietf.org, The IESG , netconf@ietf.org, kent+ietf@watsen.net, Kent Watsen , rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <156527969429.7538.10760575935645020053.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2019 08:54:54 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netconf] Protocol Action: 'Dynamic subscription to YANG Events and Datastores over RESTCONF' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-notif-15.txt) X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2019 15:54:55 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Dynamic subscription to YANG Events and Datastores over RESTCONF' (draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-notif-15.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Network Configuration Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Warren Kumari and Ignas Bagdonas. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-notif/ Technical Summary This document defines extensions specific to RESTCONF transport for support of subscribe notifications. Working Group Summary The WG has reached consensus on the document without any controversial topics. Document Quality There is vendor interest in developing support for subscribe notifications, and as a result it will require implementing the RESTCONF extensions defined in this document. The document has received several directorate reviews, as well as a review from YANG Doctors. Personnel The Document Shepherd is Kent Watsen. The Responsible Area Director is Ignas Bagdonas. IANA Note This document adds new entries to existing IETF XML and YANG Module Names registries. 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X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2019 18:57:49 -0000 >=20 > =E2=80=A2 What do you mean by "the crypto objects" drafts? Do = you mean https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-crypto-types? > =20 > Yes, that one. > =20 > I am looking for email discussion (I guess I can watch meetecho = archives if that=E2=80=99s useful) to understand the WG thoughts. I'm guessing that you have the same concern with this draft as expressed = by others, and thus imagine the thread you are looking for is here: = https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netconf/?q=3DI-D%20Action. The NETCONF WG's ultimate objective is to define YANG modules enabling = the configuration of the NETCONF and RESTCONF protocol stacks, for both = client and servers (please see [1] and [2]). The crypto-types draft is = the cornerstone of a hierarchy of drafts supporting this goal: crypto-types ^ ^ / \ / \ trust-anchors keystore ^ ^------+ ^ | \ | | +-----------+ | / \ tcp-client-server ssh-client-server tls-client-server = http-client-server ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ = ^ | | | | | = | | | | +----------+ | = | | | | | | = | | | | | | = | | +--------------|-------|------------+ | = | | | | | | = | | | | | | = | +--------------+ | | | | = +--------+ | | | | | | | | | | | | netconf-client-server restconf-client-server Not shown, other WGs are defining YANG modules that import parts of the = above. 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X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2019 19:21:49 -0000 PiAgICBJJ20gZ3Vlc3NpbmcgdGhhdCB5b3UgaGF2ZSB0aGUgc2FtZSBjb25jZXJuIHdpdGggdGhp cyBkcmFmdCBhcyBleHByZXNzZWQgYnkgb3RoZXJzLCBhbmQgdGh1cyBpbWFnaW5lIHRoZSB0aHJl YWQgeW91IGFyZSBsb29raW5nIGZvciBpcyBoZXJlOiBodHRwczovL21haWxhcmNoaXZlLmlldGYu b3JnL2FyY2gvYnJvd3NlL25ldGNvbmYvP3E9SS1EJTIwQWN0aW9uLg0KICAgIA0KPiAgICBUaGUg TkVUQ09ORiBXRydzIHVsdGltYXRlIG9iamVjdGl2ZSBpcyB0byBkZWZpbmUgWUFORyBtb2R1bGVz IGVuYWJsaW5nIHRoZSBjb25maWd1cmF0aW9uIG9mIHRoZSBORVRDT05GIGFuZCBSRVNUQ09ORiBw cm90b2NvbCBzdGFja3MsIGZvciBib3RoIGNsaWVudCBhbmQgc2VydmVycyAocGxlYXNlIHNlZSBb MV0gYW5kIFsyXSkuDQoNClRoYW5rcyBmb3IgdGhvc2UgcGllY2VzIG9mIGluZm9ybWF0aW9uLiAg IkknbGwgYmUgYmFjayIgOikNCg0K From nobody Tue Aug 13 08:02:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietf.org Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A0712021D; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 08:02:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netconf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.100.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netconf@ietf.org Message-ID: <156570854958.24235.17984613762491187879@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 08:02:29 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netconf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-03.txt X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 15:02:30 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration WG of the IETF. Title : Yang-Push Notification Capabilities Authors : Balazs Lengyel Alexander Clemm Benoit Claise Filename : draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-03.txt Pages : 18 Date : 2019-08-13 Abstract: This document proposes a YANG module that allows a server to specify server capabilities related to "Subscription to YANG Datastores" (Yang-Push). It proposes to use YANG Instance Data to document this information and make it already available at implementation time, but also allow it to be reported at runtime. 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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I updated the draft with all comments from and after the meeting. Please = review. Changes v02 - v03 o Allow throughput related capabilities to be defined on top, datastore or data node level. Described that specific capability values always override generic ones. o Indicate that non-NMDA servers can also use this model. o Updated according to draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file- format-04 Regards Balazs -----Original Message----- From: internet-drafts@ietf.org =20 Sent: 2019. augusztus 13., kedd 17:02 To: Benoit Claise ; Alexander Clemm = ; Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel Subject: New Version Notification for = draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-03.txt A new version of I-D, = draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-03.txt has been successfully submitted by Balazs Lengyel and posted to the IETF = repository. Name: draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities Revision: 03 Title: Yang-Push Notification Capabilities Document date: 2019-08-13 Group: netconf Pages: 18 URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capa= bilities-03.txt Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabili= ties/ Htmlized: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-= 03 Htmlized: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-cap= abilities Diff: = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-netconf-notification-capab= ilities-03 Abstract: This document proposes a YANG module that allows a server to specify server capabilities related to "Subscription to YANG Datastores" (Yang-Push). It proposes to use YANG Instance Data to document this information and make it already available at implementation time, but also allow it to be reported at runtime. = =20 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at = tools.ietf.org. 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------=_NextPart_001_0054_01D551FD.12F1CD30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I validated my model ietf-notification-capabilities@2019-08-13.yang with yangvalidator.com. My model seems fine, but I got a lot of errors from lint: yanglint Validation err : The leafref leaf is config but refers to a non-config leaf. (/ietf-subscribed-notifications:subscriptions/subscription/target/stream/str eam) err : The leafref leaf is config but refers to a non-config leaf. (/ietf-subscribed-notifications:subscriptions/subscription/target/stream/str eam) err : Invalid value "subscription-policy" of "uses". (/ietf-subscribed-notifications:subscriptions/subscription/subscription-poli cy) err : Copying data from grouping failed. (/ietf-subscribed-notifications:subscriptions/subscription/subscription-poli cy) err : Module "ietf-subscribed-notifications" parsing failed. err : Importing "ietf-subscribed-notifications" module into "ietf-yang-push" failed. err : Module "ietf-yang-push" parsing failed. err : Importing "ietf-yang-push" module into "ietf-notification-capabilities" failed. err : Module "ietf-notification-capabilities" parsing failed. At least some of these are not really errors. (pyang, confdc accepts them) E.g. the first error is not true because the leafref has require-instance false. It would be nice if this could be corrected. I got the same messages from the draft submission tool too. Regards Balazs ------=_NextPart_001_0054_01D551FD.12F1CD30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

I validated = my model ietf-notif= ication-capabilities@2019-08-13.yang with yangvalidator.com. My = model seems fine, but I got a lot of errors from lint:

 

yanglint = Validation

err : The leafref = leaf is config but refers to a non-config leaf. = (/ietf-subscribed-notifications:subscriptions/subscription/target/stream/= stream)

err : The leafref = leaf is config but refers to a non-config leaf. = (/ietf-subscribed-notifications:subscriptions/subscription/target/stream/= stream)

err : Invalid value = "subscription-policy" of "uses". = (/ietf-subscribed-notifications:subscriptions/subscription/subscription-p= olicy)

err : Copying data = from grouping failed. = (/ietf-subscribed-notifications:subscriptions/subscription/subscription-p= olicy)

err : Module = "ietf-subscribed-notifications" parsing = failed.

err : Importing = "ietf-subscribed-notifications" module into = "ietf-yang-push" failed.

err : Module "ietf-yang-push" parsing = failed.

err : Importing = "ietf-yang-push" module into = "ietf-notification-capabilities" = failed.

err : Module = "ietf-notification-capabilities" parsing = failed.

 

At least = some of these are not really errors. (pyang, confdc accepts = them)

E.g.=A0 the first error is not = true because the leafref has require-instance false.

 

It would be = nice if this could be corrected. I got the same messages from the draft = submission tool too.

 

Regards = Balazs

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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 21:32:58 +0000 Reply-To: X-URL: https://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ Subject: [ietfdb] #2667 (Datatracker: Yang): Newer version of yanglint needed for YANG validation X-Trac-Ticket-URL: https://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/2667 Message-ID: <065.4ac72b6a900cad38d7c35386e1e68c19@tools.ietf.org> X-Trac-Ticket-ID: 2667 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: ::1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rrahman@cisco.com, henrik@levkowetz.com, rjsparks@nostrum.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: trac@tools.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on durif.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 173.37.147.233, alln-inbound-c.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: alln-core-9.cisco.com Return-Path: trac@tools.ietf.org X-MS-Exchange-Organization-Network-Message-Id: 9387c5a0-26a4-475b-e4f5-08d665f98eea X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AVStamp-Enterprise: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AuthSource: XCH-ALN-003.cisco.com X-MS-Exchange-Organization-AuthAs: Anonymous Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 #2667: Newer version of yanglint needed for YANG validation So datatracker still has yanglint showing these errors for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-subscribed- notifications: yanglint 0.14.80: yanglint --verbose -p {rfclib} -p {draftlib} -p {tmplib} {model} -i: err : The leafref leaf is config but refers to a non-config leaf. (/ietf- subscribed-notifications:subscriptions/subscription/target/stream/stream) This is due to issue below which was fixed in yanglint in 0.16.59 https://github.com/CESNET/libyang/issues/644 So we need datatracker to use a more recent version of yanglint. Regards, Reshad. -- -------------------------------+-------------------- Reporter: rrahman@cisco.com | Owner: Type: enhancement | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: (None) Component: Datatracker: Yang | Version: Keywords: sprint | -------------------------------+-------------------- Ticket URL: ietfdb --_004_15D146FDFD7A451C8655C6BC1987CC22ciscocom_-- From nobody Tue Aug 13 10:34:08 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F29E120232 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2019 10:34:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham 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Balazs =20 From: Reshad Rahman (rrahman) =20 Sent: 2019. j=C3=BAlius 23., kedd 16:34 To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel ; netconf@ietf.org Subject: Comment on draft-ietf-notification-capabilities =20 Hi Balazs, =20 Section 2 mentions that the capabilities could change at run-time. For = those implementations which support this, there would be value if the = datastore-subscription-capabilities container is on-change capable? This should be indicated with an entry for that node in the = on-change-notification-capability list (for the operational datastore)? = Could we have some text in the draft for this? =20 Regards, Reshad. ------=_NextPart_001_03F5_01D5417F.D892A980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

OK, will add = it.=C2=A0 Balazs

 

From: Reshad Rahman (rrahman) = <rrahman@cisco.com>
Sent: 2019. j=C3=BAlius 23., kedd = 16:34
To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>; netconf@ietf.org
Subject: = Comment on = draft-ietf-notification-capabilities

 

Hi = Balazs,

 

Section = 2 mentions that the capabilities could change at run-time. For those = implementations which support this, there would be value if the = datastore-subscription-capabilities container is on-change = capable?

This should be indicated with an entry for = that node in the on-change-notification-capability list (for the = operational datastore)? Could we have some text in the draft for = this?

 

Regards,

Reshad.

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03#section-3 includes the text: For the run-time use-case: It SHALL be available via NETCONF [RFC6241 ] or RESTCONF = [RFC8040 ] from the live server = during runtime. =20 =20 As these capabilities might change during run-time, implementations that support the YANG-Push on-change feature, SHOULD support sending on-change notifications about this module. =20 I think that should cover your comment. Or is it something else you = want? Regards Balazs =20 From: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel =20 Sent: 2019. j=C3=BAlius 23., kedd 23:56 To: Reshad Rahman (rrahman) ; netconf@ietf.org Subject: RE: Comment on draft-ietf-notification-capabilities =20 OK, will add it. Balazs =20 From: Reshad Rahman (rrahman) >=20 Sent: 2019. j=C3=BAlius 23., kedd 16:34 To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel >; netconf@ietf.org = =20 Subject: Comment on draft-ietf-notification-capabilities =20 Hi Balazs, =20 Section 2 mentions that the capabilities could change at run-time. For = those implementations which support this, there would be value if the = datastore-subscription-capabilities container is on-change capable? This should be indicated with an entry for that node in the = on-change-notification-capability list (for the operational datastore)? = Could we have some text in the draft for this? =20 Regards, Reshad. ------=_NextPart_001_0068_01D5528F.749488B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello = Reshad,

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-noti= fication-capabilities-03#section-3 includes the = text:

For the run-time use-case: It SHALL be =
available via =
NETCONF
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 [RFC6241] or RESTCONF [RFC8040] from the live server =
during
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
runtime.=C2=A0 =

 
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 As these capabilities might change during =
run-time,
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
 implementations that support the YANG-Push on-change =
feature,
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0=C2=A0SHOULD support sending on-change notifications about this =
module.

 

I think that should = cover your comment. Or is it something else you = want?

Regards Balazs

 

From: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>
Sent: 2019. j=C3=BAlius = 23., kedd 23:56
To: Reshad Rahman (rrahman) = <rrahman@cisco.com>; netconf@ietf.org
Subject: RE: = Comment on = draft-ietf-notification-capabilities

 

OK, will add it.  = Balazs

 

From: Reshad Rahman (rrahman) <rrahman@cisco.com> =
Sent: 2019. j=C3=BAlius 23., kedd 16:34
To: = Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>; netconf@ietf.org
Subject: = Comment on = draft-ietf-notification-capabilities

 

Hi = Balazs,

 

Section = 2 mentions that the capabilities could change at run-time. For those = implementations which support this, there would be value if the = datastore-subscription-capabilities container is on-change = capable?

This should be indicated with an entry for = that node in the on-change-notification-capability list (for the = operational datastore)? Could we have some text in the draft for = this?

 

Regards,

Reshad.

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To = clarify it I will modify the YANG description text: "Supported update period values for a periodic subscription (used if = only these specific values are supported)." =20 Regards Balazs =20 From: netconf On Behalf Of Tim Jenkins = (timjenki) Sent: 2019. augusztus 13., kedd 19:36 To: netconf@ietf.org Subject: [netconf] supported-update-period in = draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-03 =20 Hi, =20 I=E2=80=99m reading over draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-03 = and the intent of the supported-update-period list isn=E2=80=99t clear = to me. What I think it=E2=80=99s to be used for is when an = implementation is unable to support arbitrary subscription periods, it = uses this to provide the sets of periods that it does support. =20 Can we get the text for that clarified, please? =20 Thanks, =20 Tim =20 --=20 Cisco Systems Canada Co. 2000 Innovation Drive Kanata, ON, Canada, K2K 3E8 Preferences < = http://www.cisco.com/offer/subscribe/?sid=3D000478326> Unsubscribe < = http://www.cisco.com/offer/unsubscribe/?sid=3D000478327> Privacy < = http://www.cisco.com/web/siteassets/legal/privacy.html> =20 ------=_NextPart_001_009E_01D55296.B204AAC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello = Tim,

Your understanding about the = supported-update-period is correct. To clarify it I will modify the YANG = description text:

"Supported = update period values for a periodic subscription (used if only these = specific values are supported)."

 

Regards = Balazs

 

From: netconf <netconf-bounces@ietf.org> = On Behalf Of Tim Jenkins (timjenki)
Sent: 2019. = augusztus 13., kedd 19:36
To: = netconf@ietf.org
Subject: [netconf] supported-update-period in = draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-03

 

Hi,

 

I=E2=80=99m reading = over draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-03 and the intent of = the supported-update-period list isn=E2=80=99t clear to me. What I think = it=E2=80=99s to be used for is when an implementation is unable to = support arbitrary subscription periods, it uses this to provide the sets = of periods that it does support.

 

Can we get the text = for that clarified, please?

 

Thanks,

 

Tim

 

-- 

Cisco Systems = Canada Co.

2000 = Innovation Drive

Kanata, ON, = Canada, K2K 3E8

 

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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Updates in this version... o Changed 'yang-data' to 'structure' from draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext. o Removed the ability to encapsulate structures other than YANG notifications. o Other minor fixes... Eric -----Original Message----- From: internet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 2:54 PM To: Andy Bierman ; Eric Voit (evoit) ; Alexander Clemm ; Tim Jenkins (timjenki) ; Henk Birkholz Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-netconf-notification-messages-06.txt A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-netconf-notification-messages-06.txt has been successfully submitted by Eric Voit and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-ietf-netconf-notification-messages Revision: 06 Title: Notification Message Headers and Bundles Document date: 2019-08-15 Group: netconf Pages: 23 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-messages-06.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-messages/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-messages-06 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-messages Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netconf-notification-messages-06 Abstract: This document defines a new notification message format. Included are: o a new notification mechanism and encoding to replace the one way operation of RFC-5277 o a set of common, transport agnostic message header objects. o how to bundle multiple event records into a single notification message. o how to ensure these new capabilities are only used with capable receivers. 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From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netconf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.100.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netconf@ietf.org Message-ID: <156589695942.15852.2241059699419683722@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 12:22:39 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netconf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-notification-messages-07.txt X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 19:22:39 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration WG of the IETF. Title : Notification Message Headers and Bundles Authors : Eric Voit Henk Birkholz Andy Bierman Alexander Clemm Tim Jenkins Filename : draft-ietf-netconf-notification-messages-07.txt Pages : 23 Date : 2019-08-15 Abstract: This document defines a new notification message format. Included are: o a new notification mechanism and encoding to replace the one way operation of RFC-5277 o a set of common, transport agnostic message header objects. o how to bundle multiple event records into a single notification message. o how to ensure these new capabilities are only used with capable receivers. 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560B2120896; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 12:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 4A206B8161B; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 12:54:36 -0700 (PDT) To: mjethanandani@gmail.com, rob.enns@gmail.com, mbj@tail-f.com, j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de, andy@yumaworks.com X-PHP-Originating-Script: 30:errata_mail_lib.php From: RFC Errata System Cc: ibagdona@gmail.com, iesg@ietf.org, netconf@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <20190820195436.4A206B8161B@rfc-editor.org> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 12:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: Subject: [netconf] [Errata Verified] RFC6241 (5790) X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 19:54:48 -0000 The following errata report has been verified for RFC6241, "Network Configuration Protocol (NETCONF)". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5790 -------------------------------------- Status: Verified Type: Technical Reported by: Mahesh Jethanandani Date Reported: 2019-07-23 Verified by: Ignas Bagdonas (IESG) In Sections 7.8, 7.9, and 8.4.1 Original Text ------------- OLD: 7.8. Description: Request graceful termination of a NETCONF session. When a NETCONF server receives a request, it will gracefully close the session. The server will release any locks and resources associated with the session and gracefully close any associated connections. Any NETCONF requests received after a request will be ignored. Positive Response: If the device was able to satisfy the request, an is sent that includes an element. Negative Response: An element is included in the if the request cannot be completed for any reason. Example: NEW 7.8. Description: Request graceful termination of a NETCONF session. When a NETCONF server receives a request, it will gracefully close the session. The server will release any locks and resources associated with the session and gracefully close any associated connections. Any NETCONF requests received after a request will be ignored. For details on what happens if a NETCONF server receives a request while processing a confirmed commit, please refer to Section 8.4. Positive Response: If the device was able to satisfy the request, an is sent that includes an element. Negative Response: An element is included in the if the request cannot be completed for any reason. Example: OLD 7.9. Description: Force the termination of a NETCONF session. When a NETCONF entity receives a request for an open session, it will abort any operations currently in process, release any locks and resources associated with the session, and close any associated connections. If a NETCONF server receives a request while processing a confirmed commit (Section 8.4), it MUST restore the configuration to its state before the confirmed commit was issued. Otherwise, the operation does not roll back configuration or other device state modifications made by the entity holding the lock. Parameters: session-id: Session identifier of the NETCONF session to be terminated. If this value is equal to the current session ID, an "invalid-value" error is returned. Positive Response: If the device was able to satisfy the request, an is sent that includes an element. Negative Response: An element is included in the if the request cannot be completed for any reason. Example: 4 NEW 7.9. Description: Force the termination of a NETCONF session. When a NETCONF entity receives a request for an open session, it will abort any operations currently in process, release any locks and resources associated with the session, and close any associated connections. For details on what happens if a NETCONF server receives a request while processing a confirmed commit, please refer to Section 8.4. Otherwise, the operation does not roll back configuration or other device state modifications made by the entity holding the lock. Parameters: session-id: Session identifier of the NETCONF session to be terminated. If this value is equal to the current session ID, an "invalid-value" error is returned. Positive Response: If the device was able to satisfy the request, an is sent that includes an element. Negative Response: An element is included in the if the request cannot be completed for any reason. Example: 4 Section 8.4.1 OLD: If the device reboots for any reason before the confirm timeout expires, the server MUST restore the configuration to its state before the confirmed commit was issued. NEW: If the device reboots for any reason before the confirm timeout expires, the server MUST restore the configuration to its state before the confirmed commit was issued, unless the confirmed commit also included a element, in which case the server MAY continue the confirmed commit procedure. Corrected Text -------------- Notes ----- This Errata modifies three different sections, Sections 7.8, 7.9 and 8.4.1. The changes in Section 7.8 and 7.9 defer the description of the behavior of confirmed commit to Section 8.4.1. -------------------------------------- RFC6241 (draft-ietf-netconf-4741bis-10) -------------------------------------- Title : Network Configuration Protocol (NETCONF) Publication Date : June 2011 Author(s) : R. Enns, Ed., M. Bjorklund, Ed., J. Schoenwaelder, Ed., A. Bierman, Ed. Category : PROPOSED STANDARD Source : Network Configuration Area : Operations and Management Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From nobody Mon Aug 26 14:21:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietf.org Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EA0512011C; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 14:21:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: ibagdona@gmail.com, mjethanandani@gmail.com, netconf-chairs@ietf.org, netconf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.100.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <156685450421.2633.11281633585738236185.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 14:21:44 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netconf] netconf - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 106 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 21:21:44 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Mahesh Jethanandani, a Chair of the netconf working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Network Configuration Area Name: Operations and Management Area Session Requester: Mahesh Jethanandani Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 65 Conflicts to Avoid: Chair Conflict: netmod Technology Overlap: opsarea opsawg Key Participant Conflict: babel tcpm bfd anima idr rats People who must be present: Mahesh Jethanandani Kent Watsen Ignas Bagdonas Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Mon Aug 26 15:02:16 2019 Return-Path: <0100016ccff35064-9da3c8b6-263c-47f6-a4f2-4db9495bc8b7-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A15E120FF7 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 15:02:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ooRTmyV3NsDw for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 15:02:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a8-64.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-64.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.64]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6A2C120FE9 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 15:02:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=6gbrjpgwjskckoa6a5zn6fwqkn67xbtw; d=amazonses.com; t=1566856925; h=From:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Message-Id:Date:To:Feedback-ID; bh=ELKv9jGWAmuJ2H5sVnTTqXhbs+u9HIjddOQ7Oox2aE0=; b=IfFJYQesl0zbPfnInSGTFbzskBxv3VhW7PlV1JAYD3hy5PTZKRvYqR6Jij/iWeUH LGt3yTuSkojbKZ65JGogwWufoG/eGE7K2uOb+UHPhMYBan7nv/FG2gDrsUthx4mAU3q wziagroibc6bLmSEQ4I7WkiDwaj8a/OI7dxRFYOY= From: Kent Watsen Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3B7BF187-D018-42E0-90B1-4184F34CE376" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Message-ID: <0100016ccff35064-9da3c8b6-263c-47f6-a4f2-4db9495bc8b7-000000@email.amazonses.com> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 22:02:05 +0000 To: "netconf@ietf.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2019.08.26-54.240.8.64 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: [netconf] Adoption Call for draft-mahesh-netconf-https-notif-00 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 22:02:15 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_3B7BF187-D018-42E0-90B1-4184F34CE376 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mahesh-netconf-https-notif-00 = In-room support for this draft was noted but, as always, it is necessary = to confirm WG consensus on the list. 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Mahesh & Kent



--Apple-Mail=_B94BAC05-7ABF-45D2-92ED-01A2362BBBAC-- From nobody Mon Aug 26 17:03:11 2019 Return-Path: <0100016cd0621a97-62449df5-2537-4ff0-97e7-b874e758a15a-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61591120815 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 17:03:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gsON56W3wQt9 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 17:03:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a8-33.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-33.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7DFB812080F for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 17:03:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=6gbrjpgwjskckoa6a5zn6fwqkn67xbtw; d=amazonses.com; t=1566864186; h=From:Message-Id:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References:Feedback-ID; bh=LYX077qzNZv4S7G/BLrlC6omc32fhZaUT0nWWjxEVZU=; b=JrlBXRV1XsdBJX44w2QtEwJKjwwEDwE+SDTCNjJ7zgpHcmbLG3LFaJbnjcXmtg0m UfZuACfN0l5oCOf1ZJP4RpjSK4dK3AsU3M4ScRd4B3XMxz1n3DZbPYRwcHOVc4bEJne z0m9VFMMBZOXZEpCBpJZNAWdP8+cBlFXGB6wv6Bs= From: Kent Watsen Message-ID: <0100016cd0621a97-62449df5-2537-4ff0-97e7-b874e758a15a-000000@email.amazonses.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C98F1976-926C-40A7-9075-E5F7B70F26C1" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 00:03:06 +0000 In-Reply-To: <3154573B-BD2D-43F6-86BB-4C99198270E9@gmail.com> Cc: "netconf@ietf.org" To: Mahesh Jethanandani References: <0100016ccff35064-9da3c8b6-263c-47f6-a4f2-4db9495bc8b7-000000@email.amazonses.com> <3154573B-BD2D-43F6-86BB-4C99198270E9@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2019.08.27-54.240.8.33 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] Adoption Call for draft-mahesh-netconf-https-notif-00 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 00:03:10 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_C98F1976-926C-40A7-9075-E5F7B70F26C1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm not aware of any IPR related to this draft either. Kent // as co-author > On Aug 26, 2019, at 6:47 PM, Mahesh Jethanandani = wrote: >=20 > I am not aware of any IPRs related to this draft. >=20 > Mahesh Jethanandani // as co-author. >=20 >> On Aug 26, 2019, at 3:02 PM, Kent Watsen > wrote: >>=20 >> This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: >>=20 >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mahesh-netconf-https-notif-00 = >>=20 >> In-room support for this draft was noted but, as always, it is = necessary to confirm WG consensus on the list. If interested in the WG = defining an HTTPS-based solution for *configured subscriptions* (for = which there are none to date), please voice your support for this = draft's adoption. If objecting, please state your reasons. =20 >>=20 >> PS: Authors, please additionally respond to as if there is any IPR to = disclose. >>=20 >> Kent and Mahesh // as chairs >> _______________________________________________ >> netconf mailing list >> netconf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_C98F1976-926C-40A7-9075-E5F7B70F26C1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I'm = not aware of any IPR related to this draft either.

Kent // as co-author


On Aug = 26, 2019, at 6:47 PM, Mahesh Jethanandani <mjethanandani@gmail.com> wrote:

I am not aware of any = IPRs related to this draft.

Mahesh Jethanandani // as co-author.

On Aug 26, 2019, at 3:02 PM, Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net> wrote:

This email begins a = 2-week adoption poll for:

  =   https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mahesh-netconf-https-notif-00=

In-room support for this draft was noted = but, as always, it is necessary to confirm WG consensus on the list. =  If interested in the WG defining an HTTPS-based solution for = *configured subscriptions* (for which there are none to date), = please voice = your support for this draft's adoption.  If objecting, please state = your reasons.  

PS: Authors, = please additionally respond to as if there is any IPR to = disclose.

Kent and Mahesh // as = chairs
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= --Apple-Mail=_C98F1976-926C-40A7-9075-E5F7B70F26C1-- From nobody Tue Aug 27 00:16:00 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F6312002E for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2019 00:15:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T_Ll9oHMuglg for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2019 00:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 677441200FB for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2019 00:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [173.38.220.50]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A581B1AE0451; Tue, 27 Aug 2019 09:15:54 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 09:15:31 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20190827.091531.2170309439792906317.mbj@tail-f.com> To: kent+ietf@watsen.net Cc: netconf@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: <0100016ccff35064-9da3c8b6-263c-47f6-a4f2-4db9495bc8b7-000000@email.amazonses.com> References: <0100016ccff35064-9da3c8b6-263c-47f6-a4f2-4db9495bc8b7-000000@email.amazonses.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.7 on Emacs 25.2 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] Adoption Call for draft-mahesh-netconf-https-notif-00 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 07:16:00 -0000 Hi, I think that defining a "simple" protocol for notification delivery only is an interesting problem to work on. However, this document doesn't define this protocol. It just says "https". But how is the client supposed to deliver the notifs? PUT? POST? To which uri? Further, it doesn't discuss authorization at all (which "user" will be used for NACM checks of the notifications?) The document relies on the client-server suite of drafts, including the individual draft draft-kwatsen-netconf-http-client-server (these need to be added as references BTW). I would really like the WG to finish these documents before starting to work on something new. (BUT, I also think that having a module that is the user of these generic client-server drafts is very useful to validate the design of them. (*)) I have a bunch of more detailed comments as well, but these can wait. (*) An observation: This module introduces a level of indirection for receivers; something we should have done in the subscribed-notifications model directly. Perhaps we should revisit that model and add the indirection there instead. /martin Kent Watsen wrote: > This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mahesh-netconf-https-notif-00 > > > In-room support for this draft was noted but, as always, it is > necessary to confirm WG consensus on the list. If interested in the > WG defining an HTTPS-based solution for *configured subscriptions* > (for which there are none to date), please voice your support for this > draft's adoption. If objecting, please state your reasons. > > PS: Authors, please additionally respond to as if there is any IPR to > disclose. > > Kent and Mahesh // as chairs From nobody Wed Aug 28 09:00:25 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82E64120059 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 09:00:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ericsson.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WMg-LmY3Ijpl for ; 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We would actually need this. Regards Balazs From: netconf On Behalf Of Kent Watsen Sent: 2019. augusztus 27., kedd 0:02 To: netconf@ietf.org Subject: [netconf] Adoption Call for draft-mahesh-netconf-https-notif-00 This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mahesh-netconf-https-notif-00 In-room support for this draft was noted but, as always, it is necessary to confirm WG consensus on the list. If interested in the WG defining an HTTPS-based solution for *configured subscriptions* (for which there are none to date), please voice your support for this draft's adoption. If objecting, please state your reasons. PS: Authors, please additionally respond to as if there is any IPR to disclose. Kent and Mahesh // as chairs ------=_NextPart_001_010F_01D55DCA.706AEBD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I support = the adoption of the draft. We would actually need this.

Regards Balazs

 

From: netconf = <netconf-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Kent = Watsen
Sent: 2019. augusztus 27., kedd 0:02
To: = netconf@ietf.org
Subject: [netconf] Adoption Call for = draft-mahesh-netconf-https-notif-00

 

This email begins a 2-week = adoption poll for:

 

    = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mahesh-netconf-https-notif-00

In-room = support for this draft was noted but, as always, it is necessary to = confirm WG consensus on the list.  If interested in the WG defining = an HTTPS-based solution for *configured subscriptions* (for which there = are none to date), please voice your support for this draft's = adoption.  If objecting, please state your reasons. =  

 

PS: Authors, = please additionally respond to as if there is any IPR to = disclose.


Kent and = Mahesh // as chairs

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<0100016ce21ab15a-16b3c8d4-0722-4ea7-a6c0-081689ae42f4-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2F15120C55 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2019 03:38:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zECKLLnt52km for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2019 03:38:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a8-96.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-96.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.96]) (using 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2019.08.30-54.240.8.96 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: [netconf] SN and indirection X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2019 10:38:19 -0000 In the https-notif adoption call, Martin writes: > (*) An observation: This module introduces a level of indirection for > receivers; something we should have done in the > subscribed-notifications model directly. Perhaps we should revisit > that model and add the indirection there instead. What is meant by =E2=80=9Crevisit=E2=80=9D? SN is in Auth48. Pull it back= or start a bis now? 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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We started implementing parts of subscribed-notifications. Please don't = reopen it. ONAP and 3GPP is considering to use this standard, please do = not reopen it. Balazs -----Original Message----- From: netconf On Behalf Of Kent Watsen Sent: 2019. augusztus 30., p=C3=A9ntek 12:38 To: Martin Bjorklund Cc: netconf@ietf.org Subject: [netconf] SN and indirection In the https-notif adoption call, Martin writes: > (*) An observation: This module introduces a level of indirection for=20 > receivers; something we should have done in the=20 > subscribed-notifications model directly. Perhaps we should revisit=20 > that model and add the indirection there instead. What is meant by =E2=80=9Crevisit=E2=80=9D? SN is in Auth48. Pull it = back or start a bis now? 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<20190830.142405.429358952690470664.mbj@tail-f.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2019.08.30-54.240.8.88 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] SN and indirection X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2019 13:39:44 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_7144858E-3E59-4D36-B09B-121D50F7E202 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>> (*) An observation: This module introduces a level of indirection = for >>> receivers; something we should have done in the >>> subscribed-notifications model directly. Perhaps we should revisit >>> that model and add the indirection there instead. >>=20 >> What is meant by =E2=80=9Crevisit=E2=80=9D? SN is in Auth48. Pull = it back or start a >> bis now? >=20 > I meant a bis. Excellent. Back to the adoption call, do you mean as a pre-condition to defining = any configured subscription notif transports and, perhaps, multi-stream = originators too? You wrote "perhaps" above, but in the spirit of = pinning a plan down, what does the WG want to do here? FWIW, there are currently no uses of the static configuration defined in = SN, as only dynamic subscriptions are currently supported, so changing = the static configuration structure defined in SN now should be = relatively easy, that is, easier than doing it later. My personal opinion is that the indirection introduced in https-notif is = likely to be desired by all notif transports for configured = subscriptions, but it's unclear to me if the leverage to be had by = consolidating the pattern into SN is significantly better than the = copy/pasting the pattern into each notif draft, especially when = considering that we're not likely to ever have more than a few such = notif drafts. It may be that the only justifiable reason for = consolidating the pattern into SN would be to enable some cross = notif-transport configuration (i.e., the indirection can span notif = transports), but I'm struggling to see how this might manifest, some = examples would help. Separately, patching the SN configuration model to = support multi-stream originators is an obvious fix for that problem, but = hopefully the design team the chairs proposed in Montreal can devise a = clever solution that isn't so obtrusive. Kent= --Apple-Mail=_7144858E-3E59-4D36-B09B-121D50F7E202 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

(*) An observation: This = module introduces a level of indirection for
receivers; = something we should have done in the
subscribed-notifications model directly.  Perhaps we = should revisit
that model and add the indirection there = instead.

What is meant by = =E2=80=9Crevisit=E2=80=9D?  SN is in Auth48.  Pull it back or = start a
bis now?

I= meant a bis.

Excellent.

Back = to the adoption call, do you mean as a pre-condition to defining any = configured subscription notif transports and, perhaps, multi-stream = originators too?    You wrote "perhaps" above, but in the = spirit of pinning a plan down, what does the WG want to do = here?

FWIW, there are currently no = uses of the static configuration defined in SN, as only dynamic = subscriptions are currently supported, so changing the static = configuration structure defined in SN now should be relatively easy, = that is, easier than doing it later.

My personal opinion is that the indirection = introduced in https-notif is likely to be desired by all notif = transports for configured subscriptions, but it's unclear to me if the = leverage to be had by consolidating the pattern into SN is significantly = better than the copy/pasting the pattern into each notif draft, = especially when considering that we're not likely to ever have more than = a few such notif drafts.  It may be that the only justifiable = reason for consolidating the pattern into SN would be to enable some = cross notif-transport configuration (i.e., the indirection can span = notif transports), but I'm struggling to see how this might manifest, = some examples would help.  Separately, patching the SN = configuration model to support multi-stream originators is an obvious = fix for that problem, but hopefully the design team the chairs proposed = in Montreal can devise a clever solution that isn't so = obtrusive.

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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > From: Martin Bjorklund, August 30, 2019 8:24 AM >=20 > Kent Watsen wrote: > > In the https-notif adoption call, Martin writes: > > > > > (*) An observation: This module introduces a level of indirection > > > for receivers; something we should have done in the > > > subscribed-notifications model directly. Perhaps we should = revisit > > > that model and add the indirection there instead. > > > > What is meant by =E2=80=9Crevisit=E2=80=9D? SN is in Auth48. Pull = it back or start a > > bis now? >=20 > I meant a bis. Back when the authors were first discussing the intersections of SN and = Multi-stream, there were a number of other complexities which were = considered. A related was one the mobility of YANG subtrees between = publisher line cards. This relevant for example if a BRAS moves some = sessions from one line card to another. Or if there is a failover. So = as a receiver, how do you know that the full set of YANG objects = promised are being provided across the sum of stream originators? At that time we thought such state mobility could be done by an = augmentations to the state change notification listing the subtrees = being handled by different originators within the Publisher. (If we = eventually go down this path, we should likewise add which line cards = are serving which elements of the subscription as part of the RPC = response. There might be implications to the dynamic-subscription state = machine which need to be thought through as well.) As a result of the complexities, we held off of integrating the question = into the current SN. We just needed to get something done there. This = is defendable as the majority of publishers won't need to worry about = the complexities of multi-stream origination. If someone is interested = in tackling these types of complexities as part of a bis, that would be = great. 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