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The Scribe=E2=80=99s only duty is: 1. If someone posts a question on Jabber for the WG, then direct the participant to type =E2=80=9C+q=E2=80=9D in the WebEx chat = window so that=20 they can ask their question directly there. 2. In the unlikely case that the participant is unable to type = =E2=80=9C+q=E2=80=9D in the WebEx chat window, i.e., because the participant joined the meeting only by phone (and jabber), then the Scribe types =E2=80=9C+q=E2=80=9D themselves into the WebEx chat window and, = when called upon, relays the original participant=E2=80=99s question then. If you are willing to be the Scribe, then: 1. please Reply-All with your confirmation. Reply-all so that everyone can see that the position is filled =20 and also to know who to direct their Jabber questions to. 2. Familiarise yourself with Jabber, if not already, by reviewing https://www.ietf.org/how/meetings/jabber, setting up an XMPP client, and test connecting to the netconf@jabber.ietf.org room before the meeting starts. Thank you! 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Does the "fields-expr" ABNF allow multiple nested bracket parts? e.g.: fields-expr = path ( path ; ( path ; path; ( path ; path ) ) ) My guess is it allows to nest the "sub-selector" operator, but only the rightmost of a series of multiple selected nodes ( split by ";" ) can be another sub-selector. Is this interpretation correct? What is the supposed semantic for this kind of query parameter? 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X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 01:43:31 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_F7541AA7-0736-498D-9F56-3A792052C304 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A gentle reminder. Draft slides are (more like were, since it is EOB in = EDT) due today, and final slides are due Friday. The NETCONF chairs. > On Mar 31, 2020, at 10:06 AM, Kent Watsen = wrote: >=20 > Presenters, >=20 >=20 > 1) Please send DRAFT slides to the chairs by EOB (EDT) Thursday. >=20 > This is so the chairs can ensure that the slides are a) being = worked on > and b) offer improvement suggestions. >=20 >=20 > 2) Please send FINAL slides to the chairs by EOB (EDT) Friday. >=20 > This is so they can be uploaded to material manager with = sufficient time > before the meeting so that they may be reviewed by participants = before > the meeting (this is especially important for our non-English = native > participants). >=20 >=20 > 3) Please ensure that SLIDE NUMBERS are on each slide (w/ title slide = optional). >=20 > For those that join only by phone can follow along. >=20 >=20 > 4) Please send slides using the PowerPoint (PPTX or PPT) format. >=20 > FWIW, we normally ask for PDF, but that preference was/is only to=20= > workaround an in meeting-room Chromebook display issue... >=20 >=20 > The goal is that the chairs will drive (screen share) the slides for = the entire=20 > meeting. This is primarily to avoid any possible sharing issues that = may arise. >=20 >=20 > Thanks, > The NETCONF Chairs >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netconf mailing list > netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf --Apple-Mail=_F7541AA7-0736-498D-9F56-3A792052C304 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii A = gentle reminder. Draft slides are (more like were, since it is EOB in = EDT) due today, and final slides are due Friday.

The NETCONF chairs.

On Mar 31, 2020, at 10:06 AM, Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net> wrote:

Presenters,


1) = Please send DRAFT slides to the chairs by EOB (EDT) Thursday.

    This is so the chairs can ensure that the = slides are a) being worked on
    and b) offer improvement = suggestions.


2) Please send FINAL = slides to the chairs by EOB (EDT) Friday.
    This is so they can be uploaded to = material manager with sufficient time
    before the meeting so that they may = be reviewed by participants before
    the meeting (this is especially = important for our non-English native
    participants).


3) = Please ensure that SLIDE NUMBERS are on each slide (w/ title slide = optional).

    For those that join only by phone can = follow along.


4) Please send slides = using the PowerPoint (PPTX or PPT) format.

   FWIW, we normally ask for PDF, but that = preference was/is only to 
  =  workaround an in meeting-room Chromebook display issue...


The goal is that the = chairs will drive (screen share) the slides for the = entire 
meeting. This is primarily to avoid any possible = sharing issues that may arise.


Thanks,
The = NETCONF Chairs

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([2601:647:5600:5020:d45c:8535:818f:83ae]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a185sm10503325pfa.27.2020.04.05.17.13.47 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 05 Apr 2020 17:13:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Mahesh Jethanandani Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_DFD92716-0E2C-4C06-9BD7-4356F2F45E6C" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.5\)) X-Mail-Calendar-Part: Yes References: <2B8A3FF9-FC17-41F5-B61C-F41E8086FFB3@gmail.com> To: Netconf Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 17:13:46 -0700 Message-Id: <6A8263C6-C17C-46E6-AB50-C89499E32D6D@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.5) Archived-At: Subject: [netconf] Interim meeting on April 6 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2020 00:13:56 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_DFD92716-0E2C-4C06-9BD7-4356F2F45E6C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 This is a reminder that NETCONF WG meets for a virtual interim meeting = on April 6 at 14:00 hrs UTC. This meeting is in-lieu of the in-person = 107 meeting that was cancelled.=20 Information regarding all interim meetings can be found here = . We are second on the = list. Meeting material and all the details can be found there. Note, the = Etherpad link on the site is incorrect. You should use this = link for = Etherpad. The Etherpad will also act as a Bluesheet. Please put your = name both on the top right corner against your color, and at the bottom = with your company affiliation. We strongly encourage everyone to = contribute to minute taking in Etherpad. There is no Meetecho for this = meeting, and as such there will be no Youtube recording available. Information for the WebEx part of the meeting is attached to this = e-mail.=20 Please remember to mute your microphones and turn your video off. Use = the chat window if you want to get into a =E2=80=9Cspeakers queue=E2=80=9D= . 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Mahesh & Kent (as co-chairs) NETCONF Virtual Meeting Scheduled: Apr 6, 2020 at 7:00 AM to 9:15 AM Location: = https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm3a1bb72a65938dfe1c821408e431c941= = Invitees: mjethanandani@gmail.com = > JOIN WEBEX MEETING https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm3a1bb72a65938dfe1c821408e431c941= = Meeting number (access code): 612 328 094 Meeting password: EUh3WeggW83 JOIN BY PHONE 1-877-668-4493 Call-in toll free number (US/Canada) Tap here to call (mobile phones only, hosts not supported): = tel:1-877-668-4493,,*01*612328094%23%23*01* = 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) Tap here to call (mobile phones only, hosts not supported): = tel:%2B1-650-479-3208,,*01*612328094%23%23*01* = Toll-free calling restrictions https://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pdf = JOIN FROM A VIDEO SYSTEM OR APPLICATION Dial sip:612328094@ietf.webex.com You can also dial 173.243.2.68 and enter your meeting number. 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Information regarding all interim meetings can be = found here. We are second on the list. Meeting material and all = the details can be found there. Note, the Etherpad link on the site is = incorrect. You should use this link for Etherpad. The Etherpad will also act = as a Bluesheet. Please put your name both on the top right corner = against your color, and at the bottom with your company affiliation. We = strongly encourage everyone to contribute to minute taking in Etherpad. = There is no Meetecho for this meeting, and as such there will be no = Youtube recording available.

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Please remember to mute your = microphones and turn your video off. Use the chat window if you want to = get into a =E2=80=9Cspeakers queue=E2=80=9D. A +q from you indicates you = want to be in the queue, a -q indicates you want to be removed from the = queue. State your name before you ask your question.

Please do not use the = WebEx chat window to carry on side conversations. Instead use Jabber for = that. Information on how to setup Jabber can be found here. = We are at netconf@jabber.ietf.org. Note, all Jabber logs are = logged.

The = chairs will be driving the slides. The meeting calendar invite, which = should convert to your local timezone is attached to this e-mail.

Mahesh & Kent (as = co-chairs)

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If the answer is 'yes', then option #3 is attractive as we gain time and hopefully implementation experience and we can add protocol specific key generation RPCs in a second step. Otherwise, option #2 seems more attractive to me. 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In telemetry data transport capability draft, we allow server to advertise = multiple transport protocol, encoding, the client can specified transport a= nd encoding in the yang push subscription model and select appropriate tran= sport from
Sever supported transport protocols.



=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BA Reshad Rahman (rrahman)<rrahman=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ie= tf.org>
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BA netconf<netconf@ietf.org>
=D6=F7=CC=E2=A3=BA [netconf] https-receiver in draft-ietf-netco= nf-https-notif-02
=CA=B1=BC=E4=A3=BA 2020-04-07 00:24:53

Hi,

 

I understand why no= des receiver(s) were renamed to https-receiver(s) and moved to SN.

 

So is the plan to h= ave different receiver lists for each transport (assuming we=A1=AFll have m= ultiple transports)? Why not have 1 receiver list (keyed on name) and add p= rotocol specifics as needed? If this was already discussed, apologies for beating a dead-horse.

 

Regards,

Reshad.

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The big motivation of this draft is to instruct which of subscription can b= e bundled together into a single transport Message since when the server bu= ndles subscriptions together, he needs to understand which subscription nee= ds to bundle together, based on which subscription classification criteria.





=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BA Reshad Rahman (rrahman)<rrahman=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ie= tf.org>
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BA netconf<netconf@ietf.org>
=D6=F7=CC=E2=A3=BA [netconf] Question on draft-wang-netconf-bul= k-subscribed-notifications
=CA=B1=BC=E4=A3=BA 2020-04-07 00:10:40

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I ju= st went through the draft (very) quickly. I don=A1=AFt understand the need = to bundle multiple existing subscriptions together. Why not have 1 subscrip= tion to multiple nodes using union in XPath?

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--_000_B8F9A780D330094D99AF023C5877DABAAD5C8D91dggeml511mbxchi_-- From nobody Mon Apr 6 15:09:09 2020 Return-Path: <01000171518a37da-e2c4b56b-dd75-48e7-b735-94e5eb39edf3-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77DA73A0D36 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2020 15:09:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ucv0c9vEX4nI for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2020 15:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a8-33.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-33.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 549393A0D32 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2020 15:09:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1586210945; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:Feedback-ID; bh=PhOAine1KdvkE28T+t9seUFqTpPrxtQRC+8cKj7fgVU=; b=WzVMZQFq5VZljpERUPmAdmj+qc+Hg1FJS73WKMoZDQVKJ73F6kt16icGYHuRKwYm J15/CalpfEKMdT6zW7TVyIBdVfoqBgPTLWvjhKS1SLbW+p8Gwme/lEi1kE3TpgDhtjg 2t3fqZxAUH6qWVSXUW19gzpVAfNevga9zuil1OiI= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Kent Watsen In-Reply-To: <20200406153338.dgh5zlbdomctzbop@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 22:09:05 +0000 Cc: "Joe Clarke (jclarke)" , "netconf@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <01000171518a37da-e2c4b56b-dd75-48e7-b735-94e5eb39edf3-000000@email.amazonses.com> References: <20200406153338.dgh5zlbdomctzbop@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> To: Juergen Schoenwaelder X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.04.06-54.240.8.33 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] Comments on crypto types presentation X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2020 22:09:07 -0000 Hi Juergen (and Joe and Jason), > Just for clarification: If we do #3 now, we can still do #2 later? Yes, as far as we know, the =E2=80=9Calgorithm" id can be added later. =20 Assuming existing versioning rules (Sec 11 in RFC 7950), the = =E2=80=9Calgorithm=E2=80=9D node would have to be added then as = "mandatory false", which might be okay. Of course, the YANG-versioning = work (in NETMOD WG) should be published by then so, in the worst case = (i.e., it needs to be mandatory true), the YANG module could legally = introduce the non-backwards-compatible change. > If the answer is 'yes', then option #3 is attractive as we gain time > and hopefully implementation experience and we can add protocol > specific key generation RPCs in a second step. Indeed, time-to-market vs completeness. However everyone should be = aware that the deferral would likely be "a few years", if not more. I=E2=80=99m personally okay with that, and perhaps even prefer it, since = it more quickly gets the monkey off my back. =20 Devil=E2=80=99s advocate position: not supporting keygen would be a = disservice to the industry as whole, and there=E2=80=99s something to be = said for striking while the iron is hot. PS: regarding enum vs identityref. Option 1 could also use = identityref=E2=80=A6and, in fact, it did before. The reason Option 1 = changed to using an enum was so that a set =E2=80=9Cvalue=E2=80=9D could = be associated with each algorithm. That said, the need to set a value = was never clearly explained and, IMO, doesn=E2=80=99t exist. My only = point is, don=E2=80=99t let enum-vs-identity be the key differentiator = in thinking about Option 1-vs-2. =20 Kent // contributor > Otherwise, option #2 > seems more attractive to me. 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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Moving to =E2=80=9Cnetconf=E2=80=9D (=E2=80=9Cnetmod=E2=80=9D in BCC) K.=20 Sent from my iPhone >> On Apr 7, 2020, at 4:35 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel wrote: > =EF=BB=BF > Hello Mahesh, Kent, > I was wondering how the JSON encoding of event would look like in your dra= ft. (I intend to propose something similar to 3GPP so I am most interested.)= > The part below push-update or push-change-update is well defined in YANG h= owever the part outside is not. In Restconf (https://trac.tools.ietf.org/htm= l/rfc8040#section-6.4) I see the following example: > =20 > { > "ietf-restconf:notification" : { > "eventTime" : "2013-12-21T00:01:00Z", > "example-mod:event" : { > "event-class" : "fault", > "reporting-entity" : { "card" : "Ethernet0" }, > "severity" : "major" > } } } > =20 > However how would the first 2 lines look here? IMHO keeping restconf as a m= odule name seems wrong. > So maybe we should define it here in this draft : > { > "json-yang-notification:notification" : { > "eventTime" : "2013-12-21T00:01:00Z", > "push-change-update" : { > ... > } } } > =20 > How to define this wrapper (the first 2 lines, I am unsure. As far as I kn= ow it is not possible to describe this in YANG. Maybe just some text like: > The YANG encoding of the notification SHALL be wrapped in a JSON object as= illustrated below > =20 > "json-yang-notification:notification" : { > "eventTime" : "2013-12-21T00:01:00Z", > =20 > =20 > Also I would definitely need an example of a notification sent. > Regards Balazs > =20 > -- > Balazs Lengyel Senior Specialist E= ricsson Hungary Ltd. > Mobile: +36-70-330-7909 email: Balazs.Lengyel@ericsson.com --Apple-Mail-A9E3B5E9-190A-4623-B4D4-A15C381D7403 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Moving to =E2=80=9Cnetconf=E2= =80=9D (=E2=80=9Cnetmod=E2=80=9D in BCC)

K. 



Sent from my iPhone
=
On Apr 7, 2020, at 4:35 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel &l= t;balazs.lengyel=3D40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF

Hello Mahesh, Kent,

I was wond= ering how the JSON encoding of event would look like in your draft. (I inten= d to propose something similar to 3GPP so I am most interested.)<= /p>

The part below push-update or push-change-update i= s well defined in YANG however the part outside is not. In Restconf (https://trac.tools= .ietf.org/html/rfc8040#section-6.4) I see the following example:

 

{

"ietf-restconf:notification" : {

  "eventTime" : "2013-12-21T00:01:00Z",<= o:p>

  "example-mod:event" : {

    "event-class" : "= fault",

    "repor= ting-entity" : { "card" : "Ethernet0" },

  } } }

 

However how would the first 2 lines l= ook here? IMHO keeping restconf as a module name seems wrong.

So maybe we should define it here in this draft :

{

 "json-yang-notifica=
tion:notification" : {

  "eventTi= me" : "2013-12-21T00:01:00Z",

 &n= bsp;"push-change-update" : {

 &nbs= p;  ...

  } } }

 

How to define this wrapper (the first 2 lines, I am unsure. As far as I= know it is not possible to describe this in YANG.  Maybe just some tex= t like:

The YANG encoding of the notifi= cation SHALL be wrapped in a JSON object as illustrated below

=

 

"json-yang-notification:not=
ification" : {

  "eventTime" : "2= 013-12-21T00:01:00Z",

 = ;

 

Also I would definitely need an example of a notification sent.=

Regards Balazs

 

--

Balazs Lengyel        &n= bsp;           Senior Spec= ialist           &nbs= p;           Ericsson Hung= ary Ltd.

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= --Apple-Mail-A9E3B5E9-190A-4623-B4D4-A15C381D7403-- From nobody Tue Apr 7 07:50:28 2020 Return-Path: <01000171551eee4b-c7e54bc9-239b-46b0-9bee-4c483d9a9984-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 854D13A0BDB for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2020 07:50:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vX0jpyPAUV_5 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2020 07:50:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a8-31.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-31.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 83B533A0BE7 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2020 07:50:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1586271023; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:Feedback-ID; bh=9E5X9dZT29UKwGFggrs7cI09VNHyIPHHkXFqhsLYORw=; b=NfQWs8AYQl7rheDRIIeSukKLODX13HDthMOXotUBVxOZ1F6YuKCO4YzEFvh8/WV9 dod8R+JKE1zBbdKgVuiF2f4+e/p6j9QvDcpOcG3Fm79AyriusQP5jQRR2dhZj/gLz0+ /tNiw8S97R9+dAcLASnOC6Gx2VaRGNFSdCd8BE1Y= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Kent Watsen In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 14:50:23 +0000 Cc: "netconf@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <01000171551eee4b-c7e54bc9-239b-46b0-9bee-4c483d9a9984-000000@email.amazonses.com> References: To: Qin Wu , "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.04.07-54.240.8.31 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] https-receiver in draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif-02 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2020 14:50:27 -0000 Qin, I think Reshad=E2=80=99s question regards YANG modeling. Reshad, are you suggesting that a pattern will evolve over time and can = we prep for now? This would be consistent with statements made by = Juergen and Martin in the past, i.e., that 1) the desire to have many = subscriptions point to the same receiver transport is going to be common = and 2) it=E2=80=99s too bad RFC 8639 didn=E2=80=99t consider this (*). If I understand correctly, you=E2=80=99re suggesting the creation of = another module (=E2=80=9Cnew-module=E2=80=9D in tree diagram below), = independent of https-notif, that only defines a list of receivers, with = just a =E2=80=9Cname=E2=80=9D key node and a =E2=80=9Creceiver-type=E2=80=9D= choice node in which =E2=80=9Cnotif=E2=80=9D transports (e.g, = https-notif) could augment a receiver into. Something like this? module: ietf-subscribed-notifications =E2=80=A6 +--rw subscriptions +--rw new-module:receivers +--rw receiver [name] +--rw name string +--rw (receiver-type) +--rw https-notif:https-receiver? ... +--rw subscription* [id] +--rw receivers +--rw receiver* [name] +--rw name string +--rw new-module:receiver-ref? leafref -> = /subscriptions/new-module:receivers/name (*) Please recall that the WG =E2=80=9Cconsensus" was to move forward = with =E2=80=9Cconfigured=E2=80=9D subscriptions even though we had no = configurable =E2=80=9Cnotif=E2=80=9D transport at the time. Some were = concerned about what we were not thinking about things, such as this = issue, as well as the multi-steam originators =E2=80=9Cchannel=E2=80=9D = issue. IIRC, the authors said that they would walk away from the draft = if the WG removed =E2=80=9Cconfigured=E2=80=9D subscriptions while = urging the WG to move faster. Kent // contributor > On Apr 6, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Qin Wu wrote: >=20 >=20 > In telemetry data transport capability draft, we allow server to = advertise multiple transport protocol, encoding, the client can = specified transport and encoding in the yang push subscription model and = select appropriate transport from > Sever supported transport protocols. >=20 >=20 >=20 > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9A Reshad Rahman = (rrahman) > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9A netconf > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98=EF=BC=9A [netconf] https-receiver in = draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif-02 > =E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4=EF=BC=9A 2020-04-07 00:24:53 >=20 > Hi, >=20 > =20 > I understand why nodes receiver(s) were renamed to https-receiver(s) = and moved to SN. >=20 > =20 > So is the plan to have different receiver lists for each transport = (assuming we=E2=80=99ll have multiple transports)? Why not have 1 = receiver list (keyed on name) and add protocol specifics as needed? If = this was already discussed, apologies for beating a dead-horse. >=20 > =20 > Regards, >=20 > Reshad. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netconf mailing list > netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > _______________________________________________ > netconf mailing list > netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf From nobody Tue Apr 7 08:22:50 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266543A0D8D for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2020 08:22:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.069 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.069 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.168, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kent, During a review of the latest NETCONF client-server draft we found a spelli= ng error in the password leaf (draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-client-server-18) | | | | | +--rw passsword? empty | | | | | | {client-auth-password}? There 2 places. Thanks, Tim --_000_BN7PR08MB4083D8CF2C4BE10B7DDCFBA5EFC30BN7PR08MB4083namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Kent,

 

During a review of the latest NETCONF client-server = draft we found a spelling error in the password leaf (draft-ietf-netconf-ne= tconf-client-server-18)

 

| | | | | +--rw passsword? empty | | | | | | {cl= ient-auth-password}?

 

There 2 places.

 

Thanks,

Tim

--_000_BN7PR08MB4083D8CF2C4BE10B7DDCFBA5EFC30BN7PR08MB4083namp_-- From nobody Tue Apr 7 11:00:11 2020 Return-Path: <0100017155c9f5ac-bfb6a14f-dee7-42e7-9416-da5d51a91a47-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A0C3A0CA2 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2020 11:00:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wU0G5toN_BKJ for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2020 11:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a8-33.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-33.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BDC483A1867 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2020 10:57:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1586282231; h=From:Message-Id:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References:Feedback-ID; bh=uV81OVB3JJZfsw+0BDMf5mwpAncVM7ZWnc9QTTIgbYU=; b=Dnm3PcWqRJfeYEst2a6PjuFOyXSnsy+Qoo5B5ea4Mp+Diz+asqE8FnRJmr+2v6gQ gfUCGMbojcxgsr+xFEZ0cd5OiQNn5WFY2vw1EAQMRN6NofvLLPlx9Onej3llqZy4uKE z1TPbknNYiTS8/v4e1nlc+3xitNmEJf9hM3aK3JU= From: Kent Watsen Message-ID: <0100017155c9f5ac-bfb6a14f-dee7-42e7-9416-da5d51a91a47-000000@email.amazonses.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_9186D0ED-96BB-49BA-8A9A-7662D605360D" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 17:57:11 +0000 In-Reply-To: Cc: "netconf@ietf.org" To: "Carey, Timothy (Nokia - US)" References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.04.07-54.240.8.33 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-client-server-18 passsword spelling X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2020 18:00:10 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_9186D0ED-96BB-49BA-8A9A-7662D605360D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Tim, I found the typo in ssh-client-server/ietf-ssh-server.yang=E2=80=A6the = "ssh-server-grouping" grouping is used twice in ietf-netconf-server. PS: good to see Nokia is still tracking this work. It would be nice to = get your group=E2=80=99s thoughts about the keygen options in the other = thread... Thanks! Kent > On Apr 7, 2020, at 11:22 AM, Carey, Timothy (Nokia - US) = wrote: >=20 > Kent, > =20 > During a review of the latest NETCONF client-server draft we found a = spelling error in the password leaf = (draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-client-server-18) > =20 > | | | | | +--rw passsword? empty | | | | | | {client-auth-password}? > =20 > There 2 places. > =20 > Thanks, > Tim=20 > _______________________________________________ > netconf mailing list > netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf = --Apple-Mail=_9186D0ED-96BB-49BA-8A9A-7662D605360D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi = Tim,

I found the = typo in ssh-client-server/ietf-ssh-server.yang=E2=80=A6the = "ssh-server-grouping" grouping is used twice = in ietf-netconf-server.

PS: good to see Nokia is still tracking = this work.  It would be nice to get your group=E2=80=99s thoughts = about the keygen options in the other thread...

Thanks!
Kent



On Apr 7, 2020, at 11:22 AM, Carey, Timothy = (Nokia - US) <timothy.carey@nokia.com> wrote:

Kent,
 
During a = review of the latest NETCONF client-server draft we found a spelling = error in the password leaf = (draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-client-server-18)
 
| | | | | = +--rw passsword? empty | | | | | | {client-auth-password}?
 
There 2 = places.
 
Thanks,
Tim 
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1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] JSON encoding of events in draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2020 20:31:26 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_7C936DEC-8F7A-4FC1-885F-4B17412A0617 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Balazs, >> I was wondering how the JSON encoding of event would look like in = your draft. (I intend to propose something similar to 3GPP so I am most = interested.) >> The part below push-update or push-change-update is well defined in = YANG however the part outside is not. In Restconf = (https://trac.tools..ietf.org/html/rfc8040#section-6.4 = ) I see the = following example: >> =20 >> { >> "ietf-restconf:notification" : { >> "eventTime" : "2013-12-21T00:01:00Z", >> "example-mod:event" : { >> "event-class" : "fault", >> "reporting-entity" : { "card" : "Ethernet0" }, >> "severity" : "major" >> } } } >> =20 >> However how would the first 2 lines look here? IMHO keeping restconf = as a module name seems wrong.=20 Agreed, because https-notif is on HTTP (not RESTCONF). Note that RFC 8040 defined the "ietf-restconf=E2=80=9D prefix only = because RFC 5277 defines notifications using XSD (not YANG), so there = was no better YANG module name to use... >> So maybe we should define it here in this draft : >> { >> "json-yang-notification:notification" : { >> "eventTime" : "2013-12-21T00:01:00Z", >> "push-change-update" : { >> ... >> } } } >> =20 >> How to define this wrapper (the first 2 lines, I am unsure. As far as = I know it is not possible to describe this in YANG. Maybe just some = text like: >> The YANG encoding of the notification SHALL be wrapped in a JSON = object as illustrated below >> =20 >> "json-yang-notification:notification" : { >> "eventTime" : "2013-12-21T00:01:00Z", >> =20 >> =20 >> Also I would definitely need an example of a notification sent. Given that there still isn=E2=80=99t a base YANG module for = notifications, I propose we copy/paste the entirety of = https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8040#section-6.4 = with the following = substitution: OLD: For JSON-encoding purposes, the module name for the "notification" element is "ietf-restconf". NEW: For JSON-encoding purposes, the module name for the "notification" element is =E2=80=9Cietf-https-notif". Kent // contributor --Apple-Mail=_7C936DEC-8F7A-4FC1-885F-4B17412A0617 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi = Balazs,

I was wondering how the = JSON encoding of event would look like in your draft. (I intend to = propose something similar to 3GPP so I am most interested.)
The part = below push-update or push-change-update is well defined in YANG however = the part outside is not. In Restconf (https://trac.tools..ietf.org/html/rfc8040#section-6.4) I = see the following example:
 
{
"ietf-restconf:notification" : {
  "eventTime" : "2013-12-21T00:01:00Z",
  "example-mod:event" : {
    "event-class" : "fault",
    "reporting-entity" : { "card" : = "Ethernet0" },
    "severity" : "major"
  } } }
 
However how would the first 2 lines = look here? IMHO keeping restconf as a module name seems wrong. 

Agreed, because https-notif is on HTTP (not = RESTCONF).

Note that RFC 8040 = defined the "ietf-restconf=E2=80=9D prefix only because RFC 5277 defines = notifications using XSD (not YANG), so there was no better YANG module = name to use...


So maybe = we should define it here in this draft :
{
 =
"json-yang-notification:notification" : {
  "eventTime" = : "2013-12-21T00:01:00Z",
  "push-change-update" : {
    ...
  } } }
 
How to = define this wrapper (the first 2 lines, I am unsure. As far as I know it = is not possible to describe this in YANG.  Maybe just some text = like:
The YANG = encoding of the notification SHALL be wrapped in a JSON object as = illustrated below
 
"json-yang-notification:notification" : {
  "eventTime" : "2013-12-21T00:01:00Z",
 
 
Also I = would definitely need an example of a notification sent.

Given that there still isn=E2=80=99t = a base YANG module for notifications, I propose we copy/paste the = entirety of https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8040#section-6.4 with = the following substitution:

OLD:
   For = JSON-encoding purposes, the module name for the "notification"
   element is "ietf-restconf".

NEW:
   For = JSON-encoding purposes, the module name for the "notification"
   element is =E2=80=9Cietf-https-notif".


Kent // = contributor








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(I intend to propose something similar to 3GPP so I am most = interested.) The part below push-update or push-change-update is well defined in YANG = however the part outside is not. In Restconf ( = = https://trac.tools..ietf.org/html/rfc8040#section-6.4) I see the = following example: =20 { "ietf-restconf:notification" : { "eventTime" : "2013-12-21T00:01:00Z", "example-mod:event" : { "event-class" : "fault", "reporting-entity" : { "card" : "Ethernet0" }, "severity" : "major" } } } =20 However how would the first 2 lines look here? IMHO keeping restconf as = a module name seems wrong.=20 =20 Agreed, because https-notif is on HTTP (not RESTCONF). =20 Note that RFC 8040 defined the "ietf-restconf=E2=80=9D prefix only = because RFC 5277 defines notifications using XSD (not YANG), so there = was no better YANG module name to use... =20 So maybe we should define it here in this draft : { "json-yang-notification:notification" : { "eventTime" : "2013-12-21T00:01:00Z", "push-change-update" : { ... } } } =20 How to define this wrapper (the first 2 lines, I am unsure. As far as I = know it is not possible to describe this in YANG. Maybe just some text = like: The YANG encoding of the notification SHALL be wrapped in a JSON object = as illustrated below =20 "json-yang-notification:notification" : { "eventTime" : "2013-12-21T00:01:00Z", =20 =20 Also I would definitely need an example of a notification sent. =20 Given that there still isn=E2=80=99t a base YANG module for = notifications, I propose we copy/paste the entirety of = https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8040#section-6.4 with the following = substitution: =20 OLD: For JSON-encoding purposes, the module name for the "notification" element is "ietf-restconf". =20 NEW: For JSON-encoding purposes, the module name for the "notification" element is =E2=80=9Cietf-https-notif". Kent // contributor =20 BALAZS2: Do we want to make this transport specific by using = =E2=80=9Cietf-https-notif" as a prefix or better make it transport = independent like "json-yang-notification:notification" ? I would prefer transport independent, but can live with your proposal = too. =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_024E_01D60D88.30D58020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

 

From: Kent Watsen = <kent+ietf@watsen.net>
Sent: 2020. =C3=A1prilis 7., = kedd 22:31
To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>
Cc: Oskar Malm = <oskar.malm@ericsson.com>; netconf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: = [netconf] JSON encoding of events in = draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif

 

Hi = Balazs,

 

I was wondering how the JSON encoding of event would = look like in your draft. (I intend to propose something similar to 3GPP = so I am most interested.)

The part below push-update or push-change-update is = well defined in YANG however the part outside is not. In Restconf (https://trac.tools..ietf.org/html/rfc8040#section= -6.4) I see the following = example:

 

{

"ietf-restconf:notification" : = {

  "eventTime" : = "2013-12-21T00:01:00Z",

  "example-mod:event" : = {

    "event-class" : = "fault",

    "reporting-entity" : { = "card" : "Ethernet0" = },

    "severity" : = "major"

  } } }

 

However how would the first 2 lines look here? IMHO = keeping restconf as a module name seems wrong. 

 

Agreed, because https-notif is on HTTP (not = RESTCONF).

 

Note that RFC 8040 defined the = "ietf-restconf=E2=80=9D prefix only because RFC 5277 defines = notifications using XSD (not YANG), so there was no better YANG module = name to use...

 



So maybe we should define it here in this draft = :

{

 =
"json-yang-notification:notification" : =
{

  "eventTime" : = "2013-12-21T00:01:00Z",

  "push-change-update" : = {

    = ...

  } } = }

 

How to define this wrapper (the first 2 lines, I am = unsure. As far as I know it is not possible to describe this in YANG. =  Maybe just some text like:

The YANG encoding of the notification SHALL be wrapped = in a JSON object as illustrated below

 

"json-yang-notific=
ation:notification" : {

  "eventTime" : = "2013-12-21T00:01:00Z",

 

 

Also I would definitely need an example of a = notification = sent.

 

Given that there still isn=E2=80=99t a base YANG = module for notifications, I propose we copy/paste the entirety = of https://tools.ie= tf.org/html/rfc8040#section-6.4 with the following = substitution:

 

OLD:

   For JSON-encoding purposes, the module = name for the "notification"

   element is = "ietf-restconf".

 

NEW:

   For JSON-encoding purposes, the module = name for the "notification"

   element is = =E2=80=9Cietf-https-notif".

Kent // contributor

 

BALAZS2: Do we want to make this transport specific by = using =E2=80=9Cietf-https-notif" as a prefix or better make it = transport independent like "json-yang-notification:notification" = ?

I would prefer transport = independent, but can live with your proposal = too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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fields Query Parameter X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 21:03:00 -0000 Anyone (Maybe the timing of the question just before the IETF was not that good ^^) ? Henning Rogge? On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 2:18 PM Henning Rogge wrote: > > Hi, > > I am trying to implement a Restconf (RFC8040) compliant server in > Python and having trouble interpreting the definition of the "fields" > query parameter (Section 4.8.3). > > Does the "fields-expr" ABNF allow multiple nested bracket parts? > e.g.: > > fields-expr = path ( path ; ( path ; path; ( path ; path ) ) ) > > My guess is it allows to nest the "sub-selector" operator, but only > the rightmost of a series of multiple selected nodes ( split by ";" ) > can be another sub-selector. > > Is this interpretation correct? What is the supposed semantic for this > kind of query parameter? > > Henning Rogge From nobody Tue Apr 14 07:29:02 2020 Return-Path: <010001717917c312-741f8486-519f-4e87-bc12-4fb98174ebd5-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7F333A0865 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 07:28:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nd3EocZEpgIH for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 07:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a8-88.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-88.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.88]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2776A3A0840 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 07:28:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1586874532; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:Feedback-ID; bh=2+ljaO8sUxl9F18cEy2tL5LnGJcMLGnpt5v93TLQylM=; b=L1zl/sREU+dB36UR5QGRCDG6loBFyZmt/65xeQF5Mm0UK/E0tNHgfCVCAyk/IG6t O+uSJhKLQFDfGJ3Wzyi80AfZqzmy0XypctmvuPxpem8grPuVpdYrro9sU7WDaEzW2xB 6QrZr2tcXrr3E5ksNRNPiSJhw6AwiolJr5GZC7LE= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Kent Watsen In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 14:28:52 +0000 Cc: "netconf@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <010001717917c312-741f8486-519f-4e87-bc12-4fb98174ebd5-000000@email.amazonses.com> References: To: Henning Rogge X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.04.14-54.240.8.88 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] Trouble with RFC 8040 (Restconf) fields Query Parameter X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 14:29:00 -0000 It seems like it would. Have you tried an ABNF validator? Kent // contributor > On Apr 11, 2020, at 5:02 PM, Henning Rogge wrote: > > Anyone (Maybe the timing of the question just before the IETF was not > that good ^^) ? > > Henning Rogge? > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 2:18 PM Henning Rogge wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I am trying to implement a Restconf (RFC8040) compliant server in >> Python and having trouble interpreting the definition of the "fields" >> query parameter (Section 4.8.3). >> >> Does the "fields-expr" ABNF allow multiple nested bracket parts? >> e.g.: >> >> fields-expr = path ( path ; ( path ; path; ( path ; path ) ) ) >> >> My guess is it allows to nest the "sub-selector" operator, but only >> the rightmost of a series of multiple selected nodes ( split by ";" ) >> can be another sub-selector. >> >> Is this interpretation correct? What is the supposed semantic for this >> kind of query parameter? >> >> Henning Rogge > > _______________________________________________ > netconf mailing list > netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf From nobody Tue Apr 14 09:03:11 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07ED93A0A8C for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 09:03:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H0X5YQ9v_w4p for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 09:03:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lf1-x142.google.com (mail-lf1-x142.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::142]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C32D93A0A2F for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 09:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf1-x142.google.com with SMTP id 131so135987lfh.11 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 09:03:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Cpj56vNJVe0wwJ5//JyK8Hv8wdjXLFiF/Cxetcv82VQ=; b=kXxRhIWGIZxKPxKUyEMUdx75369zKTW7UflkAFncYDFalOkVfTtRZuWq9iXljE3Caw wP+bDEmhn5oGaszqeO7W/RNG4KaBvjeNhURmItwA3fwbZCXrV7eq3hfxS18qTMK3HoHL Y0F3eLms18QO04fIMO32EI76lFHEdHVBa1mS6NoIAks/QhrQ7t6NbZI0MR+/EZIs6dWE 8j8rpcXllg6bO0UBdh2UpsIhVdeEUx5TMkVDjvbEpr2RTDlhgwgei7J7hhxqcB+WTFR9 SQ+vZMGD+LbClsRedA2YUPyu+GzH0xzQa84Aac8Kt3+cOIFYtkT1CR/SVZLUBD+cdIJ8 jNhQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Cpj56vNJVe0wwJ5//JyK8Hv8wdjXLFiF/Cxetcv82VQ=; b=fSd9F2IulovgrosPz5q9It1s9SdfdK3SnyTud+5r7op4wqWh/NmXk8W0jnDYIsLTn7 Xp1h9v9NksBfGzBNFqNx+gsEcGlQC2ZCQA6KL/3Ml8mLKQDroj/tPnoz/4/v1kVOciym eFrEcbWB4wsFGEph3dldk6WkbBY92b3/3JWXeqcX7OCZ21QYAAc7KEbB42s5LcCY1z3f vDvZSaBbeQJrMAb7P75bpSA+4EsTVhMbnp0YlOMka+4jhF0w7b8LdeUb/b0vNuV4zxEg fvgirruEtoc/5B6kFgycdAVvYM4el3oyRTIeZWqXEXyw8W0QyAnDOrb3Cg7HQyriM/aY hepw== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0Puav6U4M3w3IC9jaHEd3FE1q9Ri72yrOMY1CXGjptLyG/8B5y9Xo dE5GGcm7hmk+JRs5QJFDAqBtMp7zxmPMlEx/hrPmVDa+ X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypIFM2ZUNLF/gOTlpcu/t03lRAIYyG+bZ3CjV7Jege+DuecUNWW+lmyenQ9MJpKcpamsSMH1KyoIwKgd7k2OsU0= X-Received: by 2002:a19:f806:: with SMTP id a6mr295056lff.201.1586880178880; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 09:02:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <010001717917c312-741f8486-519f-4e87-bc12-4fb98174ebd5-000000@email.amazonses.com> In-Reply-To: <010001717917c312-741f8486-519f-4e87-bc12-4fb98174ebd5-000000@email.amazonses.com> From: Henning Rogge Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 18:02:32 +0200 Message-ID: To: Kent Watsen Cc: "netconf@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] Trouble with RFC 8040 (Restconf) fields Query Parameter X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:03:09 -0000 Hi, my problem is how these "multi-parenthesis" expressions are meant to be processed. Single parenthesis is easy to understand. Does anyone has at least one example of such a (valid?) fields expression and what it should do? Henning Rogge On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 4:28 PM Kent Watsen wrote: > > It seems like it would. Have you tried an ABNF validator? > > Kent // contributor > > > > On Apr 11, 2020, at 5:02 PM, Henning Rogge wrote: > > > > Anyone (Maybe the timing of the question just before the IETF was not > > that good ^^) ? > > > > Henning Rogge? > > > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 2:18 PM Henning Rogge wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> I am trying to implement a Restconf (RFC8040) compliant server in > >> Python and having trouble interpreting the definition of the "fields" > >> query parameter (Section 4.8.3). > >> > >> Does the "fields-expr" ABNF allow multiple nested bracket parts? > >> e.g.: > >> > >> fields-expr = path ( path ; ( path ; path; ( path ; path ) ) ) > >> > >> My guess is it allows to nest the "sub-selector" operator, but only > >> the rightmost of a series of multiple selected nodes ( split by ";" ) > >> can be another sub-selector. > >> > >> Is this interpretation correct? What is the supposed semantic for this > >> kind of query parameter? > >> > >> Henning Rogge > > > > _______________________________________________ > > netconf mailing list > > netconf@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > From nobody Tue Apr 14 11:03:45 2020 Return-Path: <0100017179dc6961-166c9a34-ed06-4e26-9240-83728a433691-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D45BA3A08A5 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 11:03:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7AMBjPLYIaNt for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 11:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a8-88.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-88.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.88]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B0B933A08A2 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 11:03:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1586887420; h=From:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Message-Id:Date:To:Feedback-ID; bh=9NisQmJMm0/UOIbkuYyusjbmRN+ckiCRCO8owlYPfV4=; b=KufuvaGwWIbEkUghUbrxYaKxYLCD/8YLqwJZxoA9OhdA6MvRGadGp8yAdHuXGys+ /IPJQHVq+TQE/e4f8quQ96b1/IeuTxN3jPni0OI7pzbrBNzibqiAL+x5xv9Q+eUikoH T9vKs/wgWttZr6Vemh11mVFZ1OR3Neu1wZtr0WsM= From: Kent Watsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Message-ID: <0100017179dc6961-166c9a34-ed06-4e26-9240-83728a433691-000000@email.amazonses.com> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 18:03:40 +0000 To: "netconf@ietf.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.04.14-54.240.8.88 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: [netconf] Shepherd review of draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 18:03:44 -0000 [WG/Authors: this draft passed WGLC, what happened?!] Authors, please find my shepherd review below. Title: - it would be best for the title to not use the =E2=80=9CYANG-Push=E2=80= =9D term before it=E2=80=99s been imported. How about this? OLD: YANG Modules for describing System Capabilities and Yang-Push = Notification Capabilities NEW: YANG Modules describing Capabilities for Systems and = Notifications for Datastore Updates NEW2: YANG Modules describing Capabilities for Systems and Datastore = Updates Notifications Be sure to update any change in the title in the YANG modules as = well! Note: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YANG#Standards-track_data_models = has a preference for "Data Models=E2=80=9D over =E2=80=9CModules= =E2=80=9D, but I left that part alone since it=E2=80=99s not unheard of either... Abbreviated title: - "YANG-Push Notification Capabilities=E2=80=9D is not an accurate = description... Abstract: - module names should be in quotes when introduced - s/This document defines two YANG modules:/This document=20 defines two YANG modules,"ietf-system-capabilities=E2=80=9D and=20 "ietf-notification-capabilities=E2=80=9D. - s/YANG Instance Data/YANG Instance Data = (I-D.ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format)/ - s/"Subscription to YANG Datastores" (YANG-Push)/Subscription to YANG Notifications for Datastore Updates (RFC 8641)/ - Actually (in ref to the above two comments), the sentence structure = in p2 seems backwards. Better would be to say "The module can be used to report = capability information from the server at run-time or implementation-time, per=20= I-D.ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format.=E2=80=9D Section 1: - Why isn=E2=80=99t the =E2=80=9CIntroduction=E2=80=9D Section =E2=80=98= 1=E2=80=99 as is common in RFCs? - Each term should be in double-quotes when first introduced, or use=20= hanging text like other RFCs do. - don=E2=80=99t capitalize terms unless they appear at the beginning = of a sentence, unless they=E2=80=99re capitalized throughout the entire document = consistently! Which they=E2=80=99re not here.v Personally, I can never capitalize = them=20 consistently, so I just normal sentence-capitalization rules=E2=80=A6 - Neither "Run-time information=E2=80=9D nor "Implementation-time = information=E2=80=9D constitute terms. Seriously, no one is going to care this document = for those terms. Also not that "Run-time information=E2=80=9D is only = used once, as "Implementation-time information=E2=80=9D would be as well if the = text in the two back-to-back paragraphs were rearranged slightly. - "On-change notification capability=E2=80=9D is not a term and it=E2=80=99= s not used anywhere in the document Section 2: - The first sentence uses the word =E2=80=9Ccapabilities=E2=80=9D = without explanation (and it=E2=80=99s not a term). Given that this document defines the = =E2=80=9Ccapabilities=E2=80=9D, I=E2=80=99m expecting a term to be defined for it. S3 provides examples, but it = seems too far away=E2=80=A6thoughts? Maybe S1 and S2 could be collapsed: OLD: Systems implementing a server and/or a publisher often have capabilities that are not defined by the YANG model itself. = There is a need to publish this capability information as it is part of = the contract between the server and client. NEW: Servers and/or a publishers often have capabilities, values = describing operational behavior, that need to be conveyed to clients, which = is=20 enabled by the YANG modules described in this document. - the bullet list should be indented (i.e., put inside another list = with symbols=3D"empty=E2=80=9D) Section 2.1: - remove all instances of =E2=80=9Cwe=E2=80=9D throughout the = document. s/we/this document/? - why is there a =E2=80=9C2.1=E2=80=9D if there isn=E2=80=99t at least = a =E2=80=9C2.2=E2=80=9D? (Is this meant to actually be a section 3?) - the bullet lists should be indented (i.e., put inside another list = with symbols=3D"empty=E2=80=9D) - P4 (the paragraph beginning "Publishers have limitations=E2=80=9D) = doesn=E2=80=99t seem to say anything concrete (i.e., relavent to the draft). Actually, the same can be = said for P5. - P6 and P7 appear to be (unnecessary) elaborations of bullet-point #2 = above. - s/Clients of a server, subscribers to a publisher/Clients of a = server/ (note: that subscribers are clients) - the last 2-3 paragraphs seem to go into the weeds wrt the focus of = this draft=E2=80=A6and the whole Implementation-time vs Runtime tradeoff is repeated in Section 3. = Honestly, I don=E2=80=99t think this draft needs to discuss this at all but, if you must, factor it = out into a separate section and keep it short, e.g., as in Section 3. Section 3: - why doesn=E2=80=99t this section come before Section 2.1 (which = maybe should actually be a Section 3)? - System-level capabilities is the =E2=80=9Cbase=E2=80=9D model, = in hence should be introduced first=E2=80=A6 - actually, after reading the entirely of Section 3, I no understand = the purpose of Section 2.1 - recommend 1) extracting the middle part out into a new = =E2=80=9Cproviding data=E2=80=9D section where the Implementation-time vs Runtime options are discussed and 2) = moving the remainder to=20 End of the Introduction section=E2=80=A6 - s/The module ietf-system-capabilities/The module = "ietf-system-capabilities"/ - s/is defined to provide a structure/provides a structure/ - s/any YANG related system capability/YANG-defined capabilities/ - s/The module ietf-notification-capabilities/The module = "ietf-notification-capabilities=E2=80=9D/ - s/"Subscription to YANG Datastores" (YANG-Push)/Subscription=20 to YANG Notifications for Datastore Updates [RFC8641]/ - Re: "on system/publisher level=E2=80=9D - why is =E2=80=9Cpublisher=E2= =80=9D mentioned in Section 4 at all? Section 4: - s/The module ietf-system-capabilities/The module = "ietf-system-capabilities"/ - s/is defined to provide a structure/provides a structure/ - s/that can be used to specify/that can be used to discover (as = read-only operational state)/ - s/any YANG related system capability/YANG-defined capabilities/ - P3 should be P2 (like they are in the YANG module) - the presence of P2 is confusing, if =E2=80=9Cthis module itself does = not contain any capabilities=E2=80=9D - I think you want to say something like the =E2=80=9Cstructure=E2=80= =9D provides augmentation points for capabilities to be defined at different levels: a) system, = when foo, b) datastore, when bar, and c) specific data nodes, the baz. (where = foo/bar/baz describe the augmentation points used) - right? - s/config=3Dfalse/=E2=80=9Cconfig false=E2=80=9D/ Section 4.2: (ietf-system-capabilities@2020-03-23.yang) - should the =E2=80=9Cdescription=E2=80=9D statement for "import = ietf-yang-library=E2=80=9D 1) s/a revision/a backwards-compatable revision/ and 2) state that the module must be implemented? (Better, see my other comment regarding the YANG Doctor;s comment) - s/RFC RFC8525/RFC 8525/ - OLD: This module specifies a module intended to contain system capabilities. System capabilities may include capabilities of a NETCONF or RESTCONF server or a notification publisher. NEW: This module specifies a structure to specify system capabilities for s server or a publisher. - s/capabilities it only/capabilities, it only/ - s/should be augmented in/are augmented in/ - be sure there is a blank line between paragraphs and numbered list items, and/or list items are indented (this comment applies to *all* =E2=80=9Cdescription=E2=80=9D statements) - list item (4) is missing punctuation and the first =E2=80=9Csentence=E2= =80=9D doesn=E2=80=99t form a sentence. - "RFC XXX: YANG-Push Notification Capabilities=E2=80=9D has both an=20= incorrect number of X=E2=80=99s as well as incorrect document title. - rather than have the =E2=80=9Cdescription=E2=80=9D statement "// = augmentation point for system level capabilities=E2=80=9D, why not have an empty =E2=80=9Cchoice=E2=80=9D statement with the same description = statement? - re: "Only individual datastores=E2=80=9D, is =E2=80=9Cindividual=E2=80= =9D the right word? =20 Would =E2=80=9Cspecific=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cleaf=E2=80=9D be = better? - rather than have the =E2=80=9Cdescription=E2=80=9D statement "// = augmentation augmentation point for datastore or data node level capabilities=E2=80= =9D, why not have an empty =E2=80=9Cchoice=E2=80=9D statement with the = same description statement? - is the comment "The special value '/' denotes all data nodes in the datastore.=E2=80=9D should state if it=E2=80=99s a CLR or simply = consistent with=20 XPath 1.0 expressions. - this command detected an issue: pyang --ietf = ietf-system-capabilities\@2020-03-23.yang. (I=E2=80=99m unsure why, exactly, as I see the keywords block in the = module=E2=80=A6suggest copying text directly from `pyang --ietf-help`. Section 5 - s/The YANG module ietf-notification-capabilities is defined to = provide/The YANG module "ietf-notification-capabilities=E2=80=9D = provides/ Section 5.2: (ietf-notification-capabilities@2020-03-23.yang) - P1 doesn=E2=80=99t specify all the normative imports - be sure there is a blank line between paragraphs and numbered list items, and/or list items are indented (this comment applies to *all* =E2=80=9Cdescription=E2=80=9D statements) - s/If, different/If different/ - "RFC XXX: YANG-Push Notification Capabilities=E2=80=9D has both an=20= incorrect number of X=E2=80=99s as well as incorrect document title. - s/config=3Dtrue/=E2=80=98config true=E2=80=99/ - s/config=3Dfalse/=E2=80=98config false=E2=80=99/ - "supported for none=E2=80=9D - nonsensical, rephrase. - s/ or all data nodes/, or all data nodes/ (also try to fix the = sentence so it makes sense) - s/ or a set of/, or a set of/ - s/update-too-big/'update-too-big=E2=80=99/ - many of the =E2=80=9Creference=E2=80=9D statements are being = misused. Move content information into the =E2=80=9Cdescription=E2=80=9D and only set the = reference per=20 https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.21.4 - s/and the subtree below them/including any subtrees that may exist = below them/ - s/on-change notifications/'on-change' notifications/ - this command detected a number of issues: pyang -f yang = --keep-comments=20 --yang-line-length 69 = ietf-notification-capabilities\@2020-03-23.yang > tmp;=20 diff ietf-notification-capabilities\@2020-03-23.yang tmp. = (whitespace at end of lines) Section 7.2 (really 5.2, but I didn=E2=80=99t catch it until here) - the =E2=80=9Cinc=E2=80=9D prefix seems odd, perhaps wrong, how about = =E2=80=9Cnotc=E2=80=9D (to match =E2=80=9Csysc=E2=80=9D)? Appendix A - the example is wrapped in the /, but now = that `rfcstrip` has the =E2=80=9C-a=E2=80=9D parameter, these are no = longer needed - agreed? Please move the filename augment to the = =E2=80=9Cname=E2=80=9D attribute in the element for both = examples. - ideally there are subsections (i.e., A.1 and A.2) delineating each = example - s/config=3Dfalse/=E2=80=9Cconfig false=E2=80=9D/ - please reorder the examples so that the system-capability examples = precedes the notification-capability example=20 - in both examples: - s/following instance-data/following instance data/ (or "instance = data set=E2=80=9D?) ^-- also add a reference to = I-D.ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format - please remove the "

[As an in= dividual contributor]

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Changing = my stance somewhat from the NETCONF meeting …

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After loo= king into the details a bit more, section 7 of rfc8639 states:

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   A specification for a transport MUST identify any encodi= ngs that are

   supported.  If a configured subscription's transpor= t allows different

   encodings, the specification MUST identify the default e= ncoding.

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Does this= imply that the http-notif draft either must state a default encoding (or o= therwise update rfc8639)?

&nbs= p;

If so, my= thinking is to make the default encoding JSON, because it is easier to gen= erate than XML, and easier to convert into CBOR.  Clients don’t = have to support JSON if they know that the publisher supports a different encoding that they do support.

&nbs= p;

I’v= e also filled in the virtual hum.

&nbs= p;

Regards,<= br> Rob

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From: netconf <netconf-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Mahesh Jethanandani
Sent: 21 April 2020 01:48
To: Netconf <netconf@ietf.org>
Subject: [netconf] Virtual hum for the question on "https-notif= " draft

 


At the 107 NETCONF virtual meeting, the authors posed the question of manda= tory encoding for draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif draft to the = WG. This virtual hum in the form of a survey is being presented to record the response from the WG.

 

Please respond by selecting one of the options in th= e survey page.

 

 

The relevant slide that was used for discussion was = this. In addition to the options discussed here, Rob suggested that the WG = could defer to the market to decide.

 

Thanks

 

Mahesh & Kent (as co-chairs)

--_000_MN2PR11MB4366FC94F18140F1BB153A1FB5AF0MN2PR11MB4366namp_-- From nobody Mon Apr 27 08:28:17 2020 Return-Path: <01000171bc405640-6e173d84-f921-4f6f-929a-6431410051c8-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0441B3A0D2F for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 08:28:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LCxYgOBIigPc for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 08:28:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a8-96.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-96.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.96]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 008213A0D7E for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 08:27:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1588001265; h=From:Message-Id:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References:Feedback-ID; bh=Yi6YLR2EeBT8nvbc9/kVWbt2n8p9ldE3G6ZkpIhrDyk=; b=UZ7dUB2oMW4Fi5vDA7OFHfOiwBQt4jXS5JBw3+yo+swZRzwzhQLQSinqOMgVXW9D qqE/uZqMFcvw9eKcQgn6fxEag7/K6zaYfmaxHE38jkWBmN8ix5vETqkxJkddfhX+93o kwLelnqENBWBFhJlJMm/7n6bhTd/KQpZxzu5JSSc= From: Kent Watsen Message-ID: <01000171bc405640-6e173d84-f921-4f6f-929a-6431410051c8-000000@email.amazonses.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E0B59FE8-45E1-4155-A1B4-C3F549322893" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 15:27:45 +0000 In-Reply-To: Cc: Mahesh Jethanandani , "netconf@ietf.org" To: "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" References: <5CE2095E-7117-4092-B356-A5C4FF490D10@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.04.27-54.240.8.96 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] Virtual hum for the question on "https-notif" draft X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 15:28:14 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_E0B59FE8-45E1-4155-A1B4-C3F549322893 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Apr 27, 2020, at 8:08 AM, Rob Wilton (rwilton) = wrote: >=20 > [As an individual contributor] > =20 > Changing my stance somewhat from the NETCONF meeting =E2=80=A6 > =20 > After looking into the details a bit more, section 7 of rfc8639 = states: > =20 > A specification for a transport MUST identify any encodings that = are >=20 > supported. If a configured subscription's transport allows = different >=20 > encodings, the specification MUST identify the default encoding. >=20 > =20 > Does this imply that the http-notif draft either must state a default = encoding (or otherwise update rfc8639)? It seems that way...at least when https-notif is being used for RFC 8639 = (it doesn=E2=80=99t have to be). Looking at the hum-results so far, 70% picked "Let the market decide=E2=80= =9D (with the remaining 30% all picking "Publisher MUST implement JSON = encoding=E2=80=9D).=20 In light of the RFC 8639 text quoted above, we might question the = validity of the hum=E2=80=A6or, given the strong preference from the = hum, we might question the validity of that constraint in RFC 8639. If = questioning RFC 8639, a better question to ask might be why the = configurable =E2=80=9Cencoding=E2=80=9D leaf isn=E2=80=99t mandatory = (also eliminating this issue and seemingly cleaner)? > If so, my thinking is to make the default encoding JSON, because it is = easier to generate than XML, and easier to convert into CBOR. Clients = don=E2=80=99t have to support JSON if they know that the publisher = supports a different encoding that they do support. If we had to pick one, JSON is more agreeable than XML. Picking JSON = would likely also be the kiss-of-death for XML, as once support for JSON = has been coded, it=E2=80=99s unlikely XML support would be coded (like = how XPath-filters are rarely implemented due to subtree-filters having = to implemented). Picking JSON would NOT be the kiss-of-death for CBOR = (or some other binary encoding) as *binary* offers real value in space = and time consumption. Kent // contributor > =20 > I=E2=80=99ve also filled in the virtual hum. > =20 > Regards, > Rob > =20 > =20 > =20 > From: netconf > On Behalf Of Mahesh Jethanandani > Sent: 21 April 2020 01:48 > To: Netconf > > Subject: [netconf] Virtual hum for the question on "https-notif" draft > =20 >=20 > At the 107 NETCONF virtual meeting, the authors posed the question of = mandatory encoding for draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif = draft to = the WG. This virtual hum in the form of a survey is being presented to = record the response from the WG.=20 > =20 > Please respond by selecting one of the options in the survey page. > =20 > https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/68W3DX3 = > =20 > The relevant slide that was used for discussion was this. In addition = to the options discussed here, Rob suggested that the WG could defer to = the market to decide. > =20 > Thanks > =20 > Mahesh & Kent (as co-chairs) > _______________________________________________ > netconf mailing list > netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf = --Apple-Mail=_E0B59FE8-45E1-4155-A1B4-C3F549322893 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

On Apr 27, 2020, at 8:08 AM, Rob Wilton (rwilton) <rwilton=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

[As an individual contributor]
 
Changing my stance somewhat from the NETCONF = meeting =E2=80=A6
 
After looking into the = details a bit more, section 7 of rfc8639 states:
 

   A = specification for a transport MUST identify any encodings that are

   = supported.  If a configured subscription's transport allows = different

   = encodings, the specification MUST identify the default encoding.

 
Does this imply that = the http-notif draft either must state a default encoding (or otherwise = update rfc8639)?

It seems that way...at least when https-notif is = being used for RFC 8639 (it doesn=E2=80=99t have to be).

Looking at the hum-results so far, 70% picked "Let = the market decide=E2=80=9D (with the remaining 30% all picking = "Publisher MUST implement JSON encoding=E2=80=9D). 

In light of the RFC 8639 text quoted above, we = might question the validity of the hum=E2=80=A6or, given the strong = preference from the hum, we might question the validity of that = constraint in RFC 8639.  If questioning RFC 8639, a better question = to ask might be why the configurable =E2=80=9Cencoding=E2=80=9D leaf = isn=E2=80=99t mandatory (also eliminating this issue and seemingly = cleaner)?


If so, my = thinking is to make the default encoding JSON, because it is easier to = generate than XML, and easier to convert into CBOR.  Clients = don=E2=80=99t have to support JSON if they know that the publisher = supports a different encoding that they do = support.

If we had to pick one, JSON is more agreeable = than XML.  Picking JSON would likely also be the kiss-of-death for = XML, as once support for JSON has been coded, it=E2=80=99s unlikely XML = support would be coded (like how XPath-filters are rarely implemented = due to subtree-filters having to implemented).  Picking JSON would = NOT be the kiss-of-death for CBOR (or some other binary encoding) as = *binary* offers real value in space and time consumption.


Kent // = contributor


 
I=E2=80=99ve also filled in the virtual = hum.
 
Regards,
Rob
 
 
 
From: netconf <netconf-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf = Of Mahesh = Jethanandani
Sent: 21 April 2020 01:48
To: Netconf <netconf@ietf.org>
Subject: [netconf] Virtual hum for = the question on "https-notif" draft
 

At the 107 = NETCONF virtual meeting, the authors posed the question of mandatory = encoding for draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif draft to the WG. This = virtual hum in the form of a survey is being presented to record the = response from the WG. 
 
Please respond by selecting one of the = options in the survey page.
 
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/68W3DX3
 
The relevant slide that was used for = discussion was this. In addition to the options discussed here, Rob = suggested that the WG could defer to the market to decide.
 
Thanks
 
Mahesh & Kent (as co-chairs)
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l19mr20692347lji.63.1588166235802; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 06:17:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Henning Rogge Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 15:16:49 +0200 Message-ID: To: netconf@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: [netconf] Guidelines for YANG anyxml/anydata statements in RFC8040 (Restconf) X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:18:22 -0000 Hi, I have some trouble with the anyxml/anydata YANG statements in Restconf... to be more precise in a Restconf-server that accepts both XML and JSON transport encoding. The anydata issue is that there are some "data resources" that have the same XML transport encoding but different JSON encoding. Which means I cannot "guess" the YANG schema of incoming XML data for an anyxml statement. If I read RFC 7950 and 7951 correctly, then a (as an example) leaf-list with a single entry has the same encoding in XML as a leaf of the same name... but not in JSON. Same is true for a list with one element and a container. The problem with anyxml is the same and worse... RFC 7951 section 5.6 demands transporting the data encoded in JSON (and not in a string that contains the XML data), but does not define how to encode the XML data into JSON and the other way around. Are there any guidelines/best-practices for this problem? Thanks Henning Rogge From nobody Wed Apr 29 08:30:25 2020 Return-Path: <01000171c68f6fc0-d63b2b6e-4dc1-42b7-bd7c-9473803b4f39-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01AA83A12F3 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 08:30:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b1Zqnygv-wAm for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 08:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a48-90.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a48-90.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.48.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9EE83A12F2 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 08:30:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1588174221; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:Feedback-ID; bh=P5tI27elPo7OVUqiBQCQR1MK2vlXT2FtIvwlnKjC9l8=; b=WsbgRGnQugfVJDmujqb3kNAcgfiOVOLpXFBd9I+3BZmd9JoH7yuVF9981dEvh9Kd F/mdSNiMTQWiSI0Zi/LyvSQ8MdMaf+F0g1fCATa2pQBdFqQc0uMpp03jyHQ7kBPUWlN ABy39TkP91MXt9QkS+70kyLNnWUn0BYt2xU0v9BU= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Kent Watsen In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 15:30:21 +0000 Cc: "netconf@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <01000171c68f6fc0-d63b2b6e-4dc1-42b7-bd7c-9473803b4f39-000000@email.amazonses.com> References: To: Henning Rogge X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.04.29-54.240.48.90 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] Guidelines for YANG anyxml/anydata statements in RFC8040 (Restconf) X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 15:30:24 -0000 Hi Henning, > I have some trouble with the anyxml/anydata YANG statements in > Restconf... to be more precise in a Restconf-server that accepts both > XML and JSON transport encoding. Is the server bound to an application that can provide supplemental = schema for the anyxml/anydata schema? > The anydata issue is that there are some "data resources" that have > the same XML transport encoding but different JSON encoding. Which > means I cannot "guess" the YANG schema of incoming XML data for an > anyxml statement. Is the issue *only* with incoming XML data? That is, is incoming JSON = data always mappable to conforming XML data? I think that this almost = true, but my spider-sense is tingling. Something beyond the = XML-encoding=E2=80=99s [seemingly unnecessary] requirement that list = keys are encoded first and in order... > If I read RFC 7950 and 7951 correctly, then a (as an example) > leaf-list with a single entry has the same encoding in XML as a leaf > of the same name... but not in JSON. Same is true for a list with one > element and a container. Can the server mandate some limitations/conventions/annotations that = would enable transcoding? For instance, could the server require that = "xsi:schemaLocation=E2=80=9D be set in order to grok incoming XML = =E2=80=98any=E2=80=99 data? Or, alternately, define a proprietary = XML-attriibute where needed? If not, likely all that can be done is to treat the XML =E2=80=98any=E2=80= =99 data as an opaque blob. FWIW, this is in effect what RFC 8572 does = by using =E2=80=9Cbinary=E2=80=9D instead of =E2=80=9Canydata=E2=80=9D = for its =E2=80=9Cconfiguration=E2=80=9D leaf: leaf configuration { type binary; description "Any configuration known to the device. The use of the 'binary' type enables content (e.g., XML) to be embedded into a JSON document. The exact encoding of the content, as with the scripts, is vendor specific."; } Note: the middle sentence should=E2=80=99ve been written: "The = use of the 'binary' type enables content (e.g., XML) to be = embedded into a document with an alternate encoding (e.g., = JSON). > The problem with anyxml is the same and worse... RFC 7951 section 5.6 > demands transporting the data encoded in JSON (and not in a string > that contains the XML data), but does not define how to encode the XML > data into JSON and the other way around. Does =E2=80=9Canyxml=E2=80=9D have to be supported, given that it=E2=80=99= s effectively (albeit not yet officially) deprecated? > Are there any guidelines/best-practices for this problem? Not yet that I=E2=80=99m aware of, but it might make a nice I-D if we = can come up with some. 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Which > means I cannot "guess" the YANG schema of incoming XML data for an > anyxml statement. In order to properly convert between JSON/XML for anydata in the general case, you need the YANG model that describes the anydata content. I don't think anyxml can be converted in the general case; remember that it can contain *any* XML, including processing instructions, mixed content etc. /martin > > If I read RFC 7950 and 7951 correctly, then a (as an example) > leaf-list with a single entry has the same encoding in XML as a leaf > of the same name... but not in JSON. Same is true for a list with one > element and a container. > > The problem with anyxml is the same and worse... RFC 7951 section 5.6 > demands transporting the data encoded in JSON (and not in a string > that contains the XML data), but does not define how to encode the XML > data into JSON and the other way around. > > Are there any guidelines/best-practices for this problem? > > Thanks > > Henning Rogge > > _______________________________________________ > netconf mailing list > netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf From nobody Wed Apr 29 10:30:40 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B31103A14A2 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 10:30:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E5-Lhl5t52LD for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 10:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lf1-x141.google.com (mail-lf1-x141.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::141]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B3183A149C for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 10:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf1-x141.google.com with SMTP id r17so2401687lff.2 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 10:30:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/1qAu3OY/q0sG6kZOU38EgvcnxSrLoVKUOBoecLqm1E=; b=BwVSxmO1F/YQzDyMcCJ6AQEv3V4pEigd/ofUuVlqPqlwgkCgH7OtEh5gq0lVTkZzvb 86Pz0zPg7o+V8JPrSe7e9wIzWXQDo3QiRZyhsbGZHNTGudykvf9seNh1/0ani2nV3Rjn j9xNyjVdH6OFONYoiBygphLqYpFOfh3NOT8cfOT5zYi8wdI5fBCemqmOJTemCmNFyGqZ oJx4C6paji833FyP/9Oes+xv/k/krrf/Adxtm79EdO6M5pwWkuD3DyxClIHPeQ1nH6HS 2EEyV4QGj0BMQEjAQ2QOVLOi/STbPdD52lKPi0xcwFla/tJOOKPUCW5myQ0RbbrJw5mn ShwA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/1qAu3OY/q0sG6kZOU38EgvcnxSrLoVKUOBoecLqm1E=; b=tIBMkDJsfwtGiNkUtyodiKxJqhbW0DbyIRLI1ploDhF901NjRofAapYVwmwZ2SXs7C wD5ZctwqJkKtQ0Kbp/mGw/fPCFWYnScrcj4lYLc8QuxTKEMN744zRDTs2zdXoF7GnNj1 EVcAYwsc1bDc0d/zV6w2g63JJJA2X2QRRuvQF5ywnOVU4vM94yQX1ceALio0W8fxKVUx GaPbNGHvCZlc4H/Eqiq3IFxbedrAeYHhzzXTFTz7s7kqt0XgwTbdDKB1unTW9CcVtR9K 1QaNnF8tJbKf6ZeTzWp+mGVx4tnYUcidzLuw4uuLstLvTWDGT04mH0gvQhPvQ3IxnykQ gO4Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0Pub+aY6UFGycOfGMglkAUSCTf7lTAFEpniwRVAcf9UtfcIr5jlIO tAqPXUb9dHsx+yTfeJrWlLMVzmOw3mLMNUzBWOmUmIakVQA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypKdIXkazaRzBqo1A51drIgV491F030xa2fYa3ZC+JiTXMaUhqx8EnVdZEgvzxak2skQCEs788NJ2y9vneA9UPk= X-Received: by 2002:a19:ca0e:: with SMTP id a14mr23696096lfg.105.1588181433091; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 10:30:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <01000171c68f6fc0-d63b2b6e-4dc1-42b7-bd7c-9473803b4f39-000000@email.amazonses.com> In-Reply-To: <01000171c68f6fc0-d63b2b6e-4dc1-42b7-bd7c-9473803b4f39-000000@email.amazonses.com> From: Henning Rogge Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 19:30:06 +0200 Message-ID: To: Kent Watsen , =?UTF-8?Q?Martin_Bj=C3=B6rklund?= Cc: "netconf@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] Guidelines for YANG anyxml/anydata statements in RFC8040 (Restconf) X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:30:38 -0000 On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 5:30 PM Kent Watsen wrote: > Hi Henning, > > > I have some trouble with the anyxml/anydata YANG statements in > > Restconf... to be more precise in a Restconf-server that accepts both > > XML and JSON transport encoding. > > Is the server bound to an application that can provide supplemental schem= a for the anyxml/anydata schema? No, I am working on a generic Python server library... based on the yangson (https://github.com/CZ-NIC/yangson) library for the data model. Currently I am patching yangson for XML support (and hope I can upstream the code later). > > The anydata issue is that there are some "data resources" that have > > the same XML transport encoding but different JSON encoding. Which > > means I cannot "guess" the YANG schema of incoming XML data for an > > anyxml statement. > > Is the issue *only* with incoming XML data? That is, is incoming JSON da= ta always mappable to conforming XML data? I think that this almost true, = but my spider-sense is tingling. Something beyond the XML-encoding=E2=80= =99s [seemingly unnecessary] requirement that list keys are encoded first a= nd in order... I think there is a 1-to-1 mapping between RFC 7951 JSON encoding and the internal state of the Netconf/Restconf data model. This is not true for the XML encoding described in RFC 7950 (If I got it right). There is a "collision" between 1-entry leaf-lists and normal leaf nodes... and between a list with one entry and a container. This means there is a definite mapping from the data state to XML... but no definite way to guess the structure from reading the XML data. Which leads to the "anydata" trouble when receiving XML. > > If I read RFC 7950 and 7951 correctly, then a (as an example) > > leaf-list with a single entry has the same encoding in XML as a leaf > > of the same name... but not in JSON. Same is true for a list with one > > element and a container. > > Can the server mandate some limitations/conventions/annotations that woul= d enable transcoding? For instance, could the server require that "xsi:s= chemaLocation=E2=80=9D be set in order to grok incoming XML =E2=80=98any=E2= =80=99 data? Or, alternately, define a proprietary XML-attriibute where = needed? I am trying to write a generic server. > If not, likely all that can be done is to treat the XML =E2=80=98any=E2= =80=99 data as an opaque blob. FWIW, this is in effect what RFC 8572 does= by using =E2=80=9Cbinary=E2=80=9D instead of =E2=80=9Canydata=E2=80=9D for= its =E2=80=9Cconfiguration=E2=80=9D leaf: Yes, binary would be a replacement... as would be "store anyxml in a string for JSON transport". But RFC 7951 definitely says "encode in I-JSON"... whatever that means (see RFC 7951, section 5.6). > > The problem with anyxml is the same and worse... RFC 7951 section 5.6 > > demands transporting the data encoded in JSON (and not in a string > > that contains the XML data), but does not define how to encode the XML > > data into JSON and the other way around. > > Does =E2=80=9Canyxml=E2=80=9D have to be supported, given that it=E2=80= =99s effectively (albeit not yet officially) deprecated? Good to know that its really deprecated, maybe I will just skip the support for anyxml... (at least for the XML transport). That sounds like I good advice. Thank you. On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 5:40 PM Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund wr= ote: > > The anydata issue is that there are some "data resources" that have > > the same XML transport encoding but different JSON encoding. Which > > means I cannot "guess" the YANG schema of incoming XML data for an > > anyxml statement. > > In order to properly convert between JSON/XML for anydata in the > general case, you need the YANG model that describes the anydata > content. Yes... but RFC 7950 and RFC 7951 seem to suggest otherwise... most likely it was easy to do before the JSON based encoding was introduced. > I don't think anyxml can be converted in the general case; remember > that it can contain *any* XML, including processing instructions, > mixed content etc. So the best solution might be "demand YANG schema for anydata nodes" and "just ignore anyxml". Thank you. 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protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=SHA1; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_25E0_01D61E2D.AB743690" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 31b5aadc-7750-4559-14a1-08d7ec66ff1c X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 29 Apr 2020 17:59:00.6184 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5ae1af62-9505-4097-a69a-c1553ef7840e X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: 3CWCgwZZ1NjaF2orLNroGTeaasn567skHfpFquPkloQIpRUpO1VmS6ftsLA7oGPX X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BL0PR11MB3156 X-OriginatorOrg: cisco.com X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 173.37.102.14, xch-rcd-004.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: alln-core-9.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] Virtual hum for the question on "https-notif" draft X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:59:49 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_25E0_01D61E2D.AB743690 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_25E1_01D61E2D.AB743690" ------=_NextPart_001_25E1_01D61E2D.AB743690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Kent Watsen, April 27, 2020 11:28 AM On Apr 27, 2020, at 8:08 AM, Rob Wilton (rwilton) = > wrote: =20 [As an individual contributor] =20 Changing my stance somewhat from the NETCONF meeting =E2=80=A6 =20 After looking into the details a bit more, section 7 of rfc8639 states: =20 A specification for a transport MUST identify any encodings that are supported. If a configured subscription's transport allows different encodings, the specification MUST identify the default encoding. =20 Does this imply that the http-notif draft either must state a default = encoding (or otherwise update rfc8639)? =20 It seems that way...at least when https-notif is being used for RFC 8639 = (it doesn=E2=80=99t have to be). =20 Looking at the hum-results so far, 70% picked "Let the market = decide=E2=80=9D (with the remaining 30% all picking "Publisher MUST = implement JSON encoding=E2=80=9D).=20 =20 In light of the RFC 8639 text quoted above, we might question the = validity of the hum=E2=80=A6or, given the strong preference from the = hum, we might question the validity of that constraint in RFC 8639. If = questioning RFC 8639, a better question to ask might be why the = configurable =E2=80=9Cencoding=E2=80=9D leaf isn=E2=80=99t mandatory = (also eliminating this issue and seemingly cleaner)? =20 The WG feedback during RFC-8639 development was that encoding was = often implied from transport. Therefore mandating exposure of this = information in the model was overly verbose, and could result in = misconfiguration. =20 =20 Adding Martin to the thread as he was previosuly involved with this = discussion. Eric =20 <...> =20 Kent // contributor =20 =20 I=E2=80=99ve also filled in the virtual hum. =20 Regards, Rob ------=_NextPart_001_25E1_01D61E2D.AB743690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

From: Kent Watsen, April 27, 2020 11:28 = AM

On Apr 27, 2020, at 8:08 AM, Rob Wilton (rwilton) = <rwilton=3D40cisco.co= m@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

 

[As an individual = contributor]

 

Changing my stance somewhat from the NETCONF meeting = =E2=80=A6

 

After looking into the details a bit more, section 7 = of rfc8639 states:

 

   A specification for a transport = MUST identify any encodings that are

   supported.  If a configured = subscription's transport allows different

   encodings, the specification MUST = identify the default encoding.

 

Does this imply that the http-notif draft either must = state a default encoding (or otherwise update = rfc8639)?

 

It seems that way...at least when https-notif is being = used for RFC 8639 (it doesn=E2=80=99t have to = be).

 

Looking at the hum-results so far, 70% picked = "Let the market decide=E2=80=9D (with the remaining 30% all picking = "Publisher MUST implement JSON = encoding=E2=80=9D). 

 

In light of the RFC 8639 text quoted above, we might = question the validity of the hum=E2=80=A6or, given the strong preference = from the hum, we might question the validity of that constraint in RFC = 8639.  If questioning RFC 8639, a better question to ask might be = why the configurable =E2=80=9Cencoding=E2=80=9D leaf isn=E2=80=99t = mandatory (also eliminating this issue and seemingly = cleaner)?

 

<eric> The WG feedback during RFC-8639 = development was that encoding was often implied from transport.=C2=A0 = Therefore mandating exposure of this information in the model was overly = verbose, and could result in misconfiguration.=C2=A0

 

Adding = Martin to the thread as he was previosuly involved with this = discussion.


Eric

 

<...>

 

Kent // contributor

 



 

I=E2=80=99ve also filled in the virtual = hum.

 

Regards,
Rob

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c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1588186500; h=From:Message-Id:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References:Feedback-ID; bh=uJYAe2Z7iJQnKQ+QEjAu7P8ffwE6InSpiQDdzap1Wvk=; b=KjJPxDuPlfIZVCpGxsnB/QWAKYsHdCl5dO9gb0omCmp+4kxcgTbGNI5Qyi+4Y8HP 7/SMMjdknDzGDreVxp4su0u4pGmEhPmecdB1gwfWhmGBWkyNrR5GSfQaL/E6jpOiUQj R1q2j+gWrzPw0Ir3hrFWt940v+ek8CUC4VTrQ7Hg= From: Kent Watsen Message-ID: <01000171c74acb58-073a0c06-40a8-41f7-b5b8-363b93ee9b03-000000@email.amazonses.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_DDF3B538-CE6F-4826-9FAE-3017EE51A8C7" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 18:55:00 +0000 In-Reply-To: Cc: =?utf-8?Q?Martin_Bj=C3=B6rklund?= , "netconf@ietf.org" To: Henning Rogge References: <01000171c68f6fc0-d63b2b6e-4dc1-42b7-bd7c-9473803b4f39-000000@email.amazonses.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.04.29-54.240.8.31 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] Guidelines for YANG anyxml/anydata statements in RFC8040 (Restconf) X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 18:55:04 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_DDF3B538-CE6F-4826-9FAE-3017EE51A8C7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Henning, >> Does =E2=80=9Canyxml=E2=80=9D have to be supported, given that it=E2=80= =99s effectively (albeit not yet officially) deprecated? >=20 > Good to know that its really deprecated, maybe I will just skip the > support for anyxml... (at least for the XML transport). It=E2=80=99s not officially deprecated, but no one uses it anymore that = I=E2=80=99m aware of. The only *standard* modules that use it are = "ietf-netconf" and "ietf-netconf-monitoring=E2=80=9D, both a decade old, = long before =E2=80=9Canydata=E2=80=9D was defined. FWIW, I just added a YANG-next issue for this: = https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-next/issues/105 = . Kent // contributor --Apple-Mail=_DDF3B538-CE6F-4826-9FAE-3017EE51A8C7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Hi Henning,

Does =E2=80=9Canyxml=E2=80=9D have to be = supported, given that it=E2=80=99s effectively (albeit not yet = officially) deprecated?

Good = to know that its really deprecated, maybe I will just skip the
support for anyxml... (at least for the XML transport).

It=E2=80= =99s not officially deprecated, but no one uses it anymore that I=E2=80=99= m aware of.  The only *standard* modules that use it are = "ietf-netconf" and "ietf-netconf-monitoring=E2=80=9D, both a decade old, = long before =E2=80=9Canydata=E2=80=9D was defined.

FWIW, I just added a YANG-next issue for = this: https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-next/issues/105.

Kent // contributor

= --Apple-Mail=_DDF3B538-CE6F-4826-9FAE-3017EE51A8C7-- From nobody Wed Apr 29 16:15:06 2020 Return-Path: <01000171c838d773-fd48e2c5-2902-4244-b039-98cf5866b6a8-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CFD43A099D for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 16:15:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mbsoPkNv7Q1m for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 16:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a8-88.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-88.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.88]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F1BD43A03EA for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 16:15:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1588202100; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:Feedback-ID; bh=ZHiyCoHQdwcRTwFjLHTDpr2Na22yIn022vaKShz+d7w=; b=Alp2+At7U2Q43knJAfJRY47WuqW2L9xEQ4IaTxWzjcLs/HQ4lW8QRjqfqwY/Nbrd AuU5yogDCXN+gtMcQL/8c5xY4G2wvb2wAa/efLtm49EhliAOFst93NrLFtXny5jNgRS /ucmCxKZfGN5dSCHftH90dJinBdPA0CkbxGAGtcY= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Kent Watsen In-Reply-To: <20200429.203838.1829077676409702830.id@4668.se> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 23:15:00 +0000 Cc: evoit=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org, rwilton=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org, "netconf@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <01000171c838d773-fd48e2c5-2902-4244-b039-98cf5866b6a8-000000@email.amazonses.com> References: <01000171bc405640-6e173d84-f921-4f6f-929a-6431410051c8-000000@email.amazonses.com> <20200429.203838.1829077676409702830.id@4668.se> To: =?utf-8?Q?Martin_Bj=C3=B6rklund?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.04.29-54.240.8.88 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] Virtual hum for the question on "https-notif" draft X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 23:15:05 -0000 >> In light of the RFC 8639 text quoted above, we might question the = validity of the hum=E2=80=A6or, given >> the strong preference from the hum, we might question the validity of = that constraint in RFC >> 8639. If questioning RFC 8639, a better question to ask might be why = the configurable =E2=80=9Cencoding=E2=80=9D >> leaf isn=E2=80=99t mandatory (also eliminating this issue and = seemingly cleaner)? >=20 > RFC 8639 explains that if the "encoding" leaf isn't configured, the > transport-default is used. RFC 8639 also says that a transport must > have a transport-default. >=20 > That's the answer to the question: "why is 'encoding' optional?=E2=80=9D= . No, that=E2=80=99s just paraphrasing what the RFC says. Eric=E2=80=99s = answer below provides a =E2=80=9Cwhy=E2=80=9D. Kent // contributor > /martin >=20 >=20 >>=20 >> The WG feedback during RFC-8639 development was that encoding = was often implied from >> transport. Therefore mandating exposure of this information in the = model was overly verbose, >> and could result in misconfiguration. >>=20 >> Adding Martin to the thread as he was previosuly involved with this = discussion. >>=20 >> Eric From nobody Wed Apr 29 16:50:23 2020 Return-Path: <01000171c8592477-936cf5b6-e4fa-4426-80e9-9ba560c4bd51-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC0C43A0A66 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 16:50:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YKTuYpjltHhe for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 16:50:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a48-90.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a48-90.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.48.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D97733A0A58 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 16:50:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1588204217; h=From:Message-Id:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References:Feedback-ID; bh=QSUbtgI4dEjXS0jk/mGIZnhkT5pay2qKk2K/wzwJAAA=; b=cDlYi3S/tRao4yILUwUAUcbxaSHI3IsAMK8ewkvCgqqij4Kz75X+dqmlnDVctrNN b00ZXN4A0nATsePFH6xzvzsFPIW+zjeN1fh5TLO/tBkCKqhvwgDKDpODbK+moRDHvNW edXNuA1O9quDNxlSM3cYCkpSql5c8cz3LCqYmUfc= From: Kent Watsen Message-ID: <01000171c8592477-936cf5b6-e4fa-4426-80e9-9ba560c4bd51-000000@email.amazonses.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_75803C75-1F8D-4DA5-BCC1-53FA9B557083" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 23:50:17 +0000 In-Reply-To: Cc: "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" , "netconf@ietf.org" , Martin Bjorklund To: "Eric Voit (evoit)" References: <5CE2095E-7117-4092-B356-A5C4FF490D10@gmail.com> <01000171bc405640-6e173d84-f921-4f6f-929a-6431410051c8-000000@email.amazonses.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.04.29-54.240.48.90 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] Virtual hum for the question on "https-notif" draft X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 23:50:22 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_75803C75-1F8D-4DA5-BCC1-53FA9B557083 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Eric, > In light of the RFC 8639 text quoted above, we might question the = validity of the hum=E2=80=A6or, given the strong preference from the = hum, we might question the validity of that constraint in RFC 8639. If = questioning RFC 8639, a better question to ask might be why the = configurable =E2=80=9Cencoding=E2=80=9D leaf isn=E2=80=99t mandatory = (also eliminating this issue and seemingly cleaner)? > =20 > The WG feedback during RFC-8639 development was that encoding = was often implied from transport. Therefore mandating exposure of this = information in the model was overly verbose, and could result in = misconfiguration. =20 Okay, but now our first configurable transport can support multiple = encodings and 70% of the WG wants to =E2=80=9Clet the market decide=E2=80=9D= (i.e., no required, or default, encoding), it seems almost like we=E2=80=99= re contradicting ourselves here... =20 You mention the rational making the =E2=80=9Dencoding=E2=80=9D leaf = optional, which seems reasonable to me, but what about mandating a = default, do you have a sense for how many people weighed-in on that = decision? =20 PS: separately, can you look into configuring your mail agent to indent = quotes in responses? Kent // contributor --Apple-Mail=_75803C75-1F8D-4DA5-BCC1-53FA9B557083 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Eric,

In light of the RFC 8639 text quoted above, we might = question the validity of the hum=E2=80=A6or, given the strong preference = from the hum, we might question the validity of that constraint in RFC = 8639.  If questioning RFC 8639, a better question to ask might be = why the configurable =E2=80=9Cencoding=E2=80=9D leaf isn=E2=80=99t = mandatory (also eliminating this issue and seemingly cleaner)?
 
<eric> The WG feedback during RFC-8639 development was = that encoding was often implied from transport.  Therefore = mandating exposure of this information in the model was overly verbose, = and could result in misconfiguration.  

Okay, but now our first configurable transport can = support multiple encodings and 70% of the WG wants to =E2=80=9Clet the = market decide=E2=80=9D (i.e., no required, or default, encoding), it = seems almost like we=E2=80=99re contradicting ourselves here... =  

You mention the rational = making the =E2=80=9Dencoding=E2=80=9D leaf optional, which seems = reasonable to me, but what about mandating a default, do you have a = sense for how many people weighed-in on that decision?  

PS: separately, can you look into configuring = your mail agent to indent quotes in responses?

Kent // contributor

= --Apple-Mail=_75803C75-1F8D-4DA5-BCC1-53FA9B557083-- From nobody Thu Apr 30 06:35:02 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E9BC3A00AD for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 06:35:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K-uZViKNFOYc for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 06:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trail.lhotka.name (trail.lhotka.name [77.48.224.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C6813A0064 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 06:34:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by trail.lhotka.name (Postfix, from userid 109) id B0B7E860083; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 15:35:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (unknown [172.29.2.100]) by trail.lhotka.name (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E27C7860083; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 15:35:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Ladislav Lhotka To: Martin =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rklund?= , hrogge@gmail.com Cc: netconf@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <20200429.174041.933209692828664773.id@4668.se> References: <20200429.174041.933209692828664773.id@4668.se> Mail-Followup-To: Martin =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rklund?= , hrogge@gmail.com, netconf@ietf.org Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 15:34:49 +0200 Message-ID: <878sid9jwm.fsf@nic.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] Guidelines for YANG anyxml/anydata statements in RFC8040 (Restconf) X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 13:35:01 -0000 Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund writes: > Henning Rogge wrote: >> Hi, >>=20 >> I have some trouble with the anyxml/anydata YANG statements in >> Restconf... to be more precise in a Restconf-server that accepts both >> XML and JSON transport encoding. >>=20 >> The anydata issue is that there are some "data resources" that have >> the same XML transport encoding but different JSON encoding. Which >> means I cannot "guess" the YANG schema of incoming XML data for an >> anyxml statement. > > In order to properly convert between JSON/XML for anydata in the > general case, you need the YANG model that describes the anydata > content. > > I don't think anyxml can be converted in the general case; remember > that it can contain *any* XML, including processing instructions, > mixed content etc. Right. This issue was discussed quite heavily during the preparation of RFC= 7951. Randy Presuhn summarized it nicely at that time: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/INVRhYLrnkfeFVtRUlp__JUD8E0/ Lada > > > /martin > > > >>=20 >> If I read RFC 7950 and 7951 correctly, then a (as an example) >> leaf-list with a single entry has the same encoding in XML as a leaf >> of the same name... but not in JSON. Same is true for a list with one >> element and a container. >>=20 >> The problem with anyxml is the same and worse... RFC 7951 section 5.6 >> demands transporting the data encoded in JSON (and not in a string >> that contains the XML data), but does not define how to encode the XML >> data into JSON and the other way around. >>=20 >> Are there any guidelines/best-practices for this problem? >>=20 >> Thanks >>=20 >> Henning Rogge >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> netconf mailing list >> netconf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > > _______________________________________________ > netconf mailing list > netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf --=20 Ladislav Lhotka=20 Head, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 From nobody Thu Apr 30 07:01:23 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 137453A07C3 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 07:01:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gXcucKP0UMnb for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 07:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lj1-x22a.google.com (mail-lj1-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B4283A07C2 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 07:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x22a.google.com with SMTP id g4so6634358ljl.2 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 07:01:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=LTQ54z60AetprgYcCquHpykF6QknHnjhHPNj+37UnSw=; b=DkjVWzmvcHuLSF0eTathnqzzMmjbuunCu/2Kb4wvf7i03hn1HkrEGqWV2127hpoCwe 0xnNqOpvGBIE572yy9PS2NV1ud6+7b3IhYTk7yl11XpJJZj64n6niU9utjORSKJKu48m Xerz6NNGFGeS9MKGB0SKwZiRySCNpz32bB2f0JB3Y6aQ/mTzA8265Q87KncrSHrI3liE 2wvdb56i6sRTdJZx1n6y+o5pdhyNIDgbX4niuAC0eFoceguiDQuimBWPNTguExuyfW46 ERzqLyYMu/Xg80Xf0V3TDNn9now1DkHCLVikl6xaP3N2n4P0v3ApjayllMOd/kh+Tkbu KNIA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=LTQ54z60AetprgYcCquHpykF6QknHnjhHPNj+37UnSw=; b=LLHA5uaO5HaoWa77WW5GaY8uCeuy+DVSXGYpTi75dIsimNI4YIvSgA7MBsWHlntuxX enDKYPg+NpKFjdajh0YawpmebHhmOnSnMQdz+99BMOic31mQOAMWMtBXqDECjQ3CdT3e Rg4upGcwHXt6JvOKApxxrM9CQ7BhHurqoweQ5I2GpHS/sYgEUpAa8KKroXaVb/Q8+RJG 6qnbK7ZNPXBVhtiriQ5aR4CfFCgoPjejoOliwj7YAUjq7j7QzJiHZfaLhoSlr1l5kjmE peuCpU8hRTT41CN2jtGJuypk6fS9PX5KbbwkvS9LGgecEw4pkgFMftGQX/GXrQNHo2xW V8fg== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0Puafk1A0ELIu4uLOlk3OBn1lCbx7aFmdasiyeI43vcAKwtN9y+63 56FJjNyIsNZku2ALrwA2TXjJQMjF4b/LgyfX34U= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypLxWzGqCqaJSSOfdDqkTqN00e5Sa8LZFPTe5ip+iHEdmESyDyu/XuII7YEALT9kVVJUbC1X/qOAyrXeP+ZHCD8= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9cc1:: with SMTP id g1mr1377298ljj.261.1588255276277; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 07:01:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200429.174041.933209692828664773.id@4668.se> <878sid9jwm.fsf@nic.cz> In-Reply-To: <878sid9jwm.fsf@nic.cz> From: Henning Rogge Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 16:00:49 +0200 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Martin_Bj=C3=B6rklund?= , Henning Rogge , netconf@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] Guidelines for YANG anyxml/anydata statements in RFC8040 (Restconf) X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 14:01:21 -0000 On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 3:34 PM Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > I don't think anyxml can be converted in the general case; remember > > that it can contain *any* XML, including processing instructions, > > mixed content etc. > > Right. This issue was discussed quite heavily during the preparation of RFC 7951. Randy Presuhn summarized it nicely at that time: > > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/INVRhYLrnkfeFVtRUlp__JUD8E0/ Yes... did I mention yes? Or maybe YES? AnyXML is broken for anything beyond XML encoding... no way to fix it. Anydata is broken if you don't have the YANG schema. At least I have a plan how to deal with Anydata... I will ignore Anyxml for now. Thank you for all the comments... 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X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 15:05:14 -0000 --_000_DM5PR08MB2633076DF9F65D3DE7035AA59BAA0DM5PR08MB2633namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, If we have this YANG model (omitting some details): module test { container foo { leaf bar { type uint8; } action reset { input { leaf reset-at { type yang:date-and-time; mandatory true; } } output { leaf reset-finished-at { type yang:date-and-time; mandatory true; } } } // action reset } // container foo } // module Should NETCONF return an error (which one?) for this request or would the s= erver simply do nothing an return "OK" (like doing a get-data on a non-exis= tent list entry) ? 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Hi all,

 

If we have this YANG model (omitting some d= etails):

 

   module test {

       contai= ner foo {

       &= nbsp; leaf bar { type uint8; }

       &= nbsp; action reset {

       &= nbsp;   input {

       &= nbsp;     leaf reset-at {

       &= nbsp;       type yang:date-and-time;

       &= nbsp;       mandatory true;=

       &= nbsp;      }

       &= nbsp;    }

       &= nbsp;    output {

       &= nbsp;      leaf reset-finished-at {

       &= nbsp;        type yang:date-and-time;

       &= nbsp;        mandatory true;<= /span>

       &= nbsp;      }

       &= nbsp;    }

       &= nbsp; } // action reset

       } // c= ontainer foo

   } // module<= /p>

 

Should NETCONF return an error (which one?)= for this request or would the server simply do nothing an return "OK&= quot; (like doing a get-data on a non-existent list entry) ?

 

     <rp= c message-id=3D"101"

     &= nbsp;    xmlns=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:netconf:base:1= .0">

     &= nbsp; <action xmlns=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:1">=

     &= nbsp;   <foo xmlns=3D"urn:example:test">

      =    </foo>

     &= nbsp; </action>

     </r= pc>

 

Jason

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X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 16:00:11 -0000 "Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" wrote: > Hi all, > > If we have this YANG model (omitting some details): > > module test { > container foo { > leaf bar { type uint8; } > action reset { > input { > leaf reset-at { > type yang:date-and-time; > mandatory true; > } > } > output { > leaf reset-finished-at { > type yang:date-and-time; > mandatory true; > } > } > } // action reset > } // container foo > } // module > > Should NETCONF return an error (which one?) for this request or > would the server simply do nothing an return "OK" (like doing a > get-data on a non-existent list entry) ? > > xmlns="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:netconf:base:1.0"> > > > > > Yes, it should return an error, since the contents of doesn't contain any "action" node (no "reset"). It would probably send "operation-failed". /martin From nobody Thu Apr 30 09:01:37 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 810433A0B0A for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 09:01:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.421 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.421 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.82, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com header.b=nDMHl6Vf; dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (body has been altered)" header.d=cisco.onmicrosoft.com header.b=yjI5JSBt Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xZENyiP7MwDF for ; 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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > From: Kent Watsen, April 29, 2020 7:50 PM >=20 > Eric, > > > In light of the RFC 8639 text quoted above, we might question the = validity of the hum >=E2=80=A6or, given the strong preference from the hum, we might = question the validity of that=20 > constraint in RFC 8639. If questioning RFC > 8639, a better question = to ask might be=20 > why the configurable =E2=80=9Cencoding=E2=80=9D leaf isn=E2=80=99t = mandatory (also eliminating this issue and=20 > seemingly cleaner)? >=20 > The WG feedback during RFC-8639 development was that encoding = was often=20 > implied from transport. Therefore mandating exposure of this = information in the model=20 > was overly verbose, and could result in misconfiguration. =20 > > Okay, but now our first configurable transport can support multiple = encodings and 70%=20 > of the WG wants to =E2=80=9Clet the market decide=E2=80=9D (i.e., no = required, or default, encoding), it=20 > seems almost like we=E2=80=99re contradicting ourselves here... =20 Certainly WGs have changed their mind in the past. If someone = wants to re-open this discussion it could touch a lot of structures in = the model, and would needs to be considered with other transports in = mind. I feel that "having the market decide" can still be accomplished with = the current model by having the desired configurable-encoding identity = as part of the datastore write. To me this seems safer for a Northbound = system to handle than for that Northbound system to have to track and = adjust its write based the default for any particular vendor. (FWIW, I voted for "JSON") =20 > You mention the rational making the =E2=80=9Dencoding=E2=80=9D leaf = optional, which seems reasonable=20 > to me, but what about mandating a default, do you have a sense for how = many people=20 > weighed-in on that decision? =20 There were several fairly extensive discussion of the linking = between transport and encoding. This included presentations within a WG = sessions. It was seen as problematic to create XPATH which makes = optional the population of an encoding leaf based on it being an = configurable-encoding *and* also considering the value of as-yet-unknown = transport identities specified within future transport drafts. IMHO, the current structure balances these objectives reasonably. 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boundary="0000000000009b442a05a485ba10" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] Error to make a NETCONF action call without including an action node? X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 17:52:36 -0000 --0000000000009b442a05a485ba10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 9:27 AM Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) < jason.sterne@nokia.com> wrote: > No. I meant this as my example (but Martin's reply clarified it). Sorry > for the confusion of having those mandatory statements (although I don't > think those are evaluated unless their action parent is requested, a bit > like a presence container). > > > > module test { > > container foo { > > leaf bar { type uint8; } > > action reset { > > input { > > leaf reset-at { > > type yang:date-and-time; > > } > > } > > output { > > leaf reset-finished-at { > > type yang:date-and-time; > > } > > } > > } // action reset > > } // container foo > > } // module > > > > Should NETCONF return an error (which one?) for this request or would the > server simply do nothing an return "OK" (like doing a get-data on a > non-existent list entry) ? > > > > > xmlns=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:netconf:base:1..0"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This should be an error The element contains a hierarchy of nodes that identifies the node in the datastore. It MUST contain all containers and list nodes in the direct path from the top level down to the list or container containing the action. For lists, all key leafs MUST also be included. * The innermost container or list contains an XML element that carries the name of the defined action. * Within this element, the input parameters are encoded as child XML elements, in the same order as they are defined within the "input" statement. Looks like the "operation-failed" error-tag unless "data-missing" can be used. Andy > > > *From:* Reshad Rahman (rrahman) > *Sent:* Thursday, April 30, 2020 12:13 PM > *To:* Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) ; > netconf@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [netconf] Error to make a NETCONF action call without > including an action node? > > > > I just saw Martin=E2=80=99s response which points out that you=E2=80=99re= missing the > reset node. So your example should have the reset node but no reset-at > input? > > > > *From: *"Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" > *Date: *Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 11:45 AM > *To: *"Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" , "netconf@ietf.org" < > netconf@ietf.org> > *Subject: *RE: [netconf] Error to make a NETCONF action call without > including an action node? > > > > I used a bad example. Pretend the mandatory statement wasn't there. Is i= t > an error? > > > > *From:* Reshad Rahman (rrahman) > *Sent:* Thursday, April 30, 2020 11:39 AM > *To:* Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) ; > netconf@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [netconf] Error to make a NETCONF action call without > including an action node? > > > > Jason, my understanding is that an error should be returned since the > input leaf has mandatory true. > > > > Interestingly, the following text (for rpc) is missing from the action > section. Oversight or on purpose? > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.14.2 > > If a leaf in the input tree has a "mandatory" statement with the > > value "true", the leaf MUST be present in an RPC invocation. > > > > I=E2=80=99d expect this error: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6241#appendix-A > > error-tag: missing-attribute > > error-type: rpc, protocol, application > > error-severity: error > > error-info: : name of the missing attribute > > : name of the element that is supposed > > to contain the missing attribute > > Description: An expected attribute is missing. > > > > Regards, > > Reshad. > > > > *From: *netconf on behalf of "Sterne, Jason > (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" > *Date: *Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 11:06 AM > *To: *"netconf@ietf.org" > *Subject: *[netconf] Error to make a NETCONF action call without > including an action node? > > > > Hi all, > > > > If we have this YANG model (omitting some details): > > > > module test { > > container foo { > > leaf bar { type uint8; } > > action reset { > > input { > > leaf reset-at { > > type yang:date-and-time; > > mandatory true; > > } > > } > > output { > > leaf reset-finished-at { > > type yang:date-and-time; > > mandatory true; > > } > > } > > } // action reset > > } // container foo > > } // module > > > > Should NETCONF return an error (which one?) for this request or would the > server simply do nothing an return "OK" (like doing a get-data on a > non-existent list entry) ? > > > > > xmlns=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:netconf:base:1..0"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jason > _______________________________________________ > netconf mailing list > netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > --0000000000009b442a05a485ba10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 9:27 AM Stern= e, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) <= jason.sterne@nokia.com> wrote:

No.=C2=A0 I meant this as my example (but Mart= in's reply clarified it). Sorry for the confusion of having those manda= tory statements (although I don't think those are evaluated unless thei= r action parent is requested, a bit like a presence container).

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 module test {

=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0containe= r foo {

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 leaf bar { type uint8; }

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 action reset {

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 input {

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 leaf reset-at {

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 type yang:date-and-time;<= /u>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 }

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 }

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 output {

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 leaf reset-finished-at {=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 type yang:date-and-time;

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 }

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 }

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 } // action reset

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 } // con= tainer foo

=C2=A0 =C2=A0} // module=

=C2=A0

Should NETCONF return an error (which one?) f= or this request or would the server simply do nothing an return "OK&qu= ot; (like doing a get-data on a non-existent list entry) ?

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <rpc message-id=3D"101"= ;

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 xmlns= =3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:netconf:base:1..0">

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <action xmlns=3D&quo= t;urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:1">

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <foo xml= ns=3D"urn:example:test">

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0</foo>= ;

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </action><= u>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </rpc>

=C2=A0



This should be an error


   The <action> element contains a hierarchy of nodes that identifies
   the node in the datastore.  It MUST contain all containers and list
   nodes in the direct path from the top level down to the list or
   container containing the action.  For lists, all key leafs MUST also
   be included.  The innermost container or list contains an XML element
   that carries the name of the defined action.  Within this element,
   the input parameters are encoded as child XML elements, in the same
   order as they are defined within the "input" statement.
<= pre class=3D"gmail-newpage" style=3D"font-size:13.3333px;margin-top:0px;mar= gin-bottom:0px;break-before:page;color:rgb(0,0,0)">

Looks like the &= quot;operation-failed" error-tag unless "data-missing" can b= e used.


Andy


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From: Reshad Rahman (rrahman) <rrahman@cisco.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 12:13 PM
To: Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) <jason.sterne@nokia.com>; netconf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [netconf] Error to make a NETCONF action call without i= ncluding an action node?

=C2=A0

I just saw Martin=E2=80=99s res= ponse which points out that you=E2=80=99re missing the reset node. So your = example should have the reset node but no reset-at input?

=C2=A0

From: = "Sterne, Jason (= Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" <jason.sterne@nokia.com>
Date: Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 11:45 AM
To: "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" <rrahman@cisco.com>, "netconf@ietf.org" <<= a href=3D"mailto:netconf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">netconf@ietf.org&g= t;
Subject: RE: [netconf] Error to make a NETCONF action call without i= ncluding an action node?

=C2=A0

I used a bad example.=C2=A0 Pretend the mandatory st= atement wasn't there. Is it an error?

=C2=A0

From: Reshad Rahman (rrahman) <rrahman@cisco.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 11:39 AM
To: Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) <jason.sterne@nokia.com>; netconf@ietf.org<= br> Subject: Re: [netconf] Error to make a NETCONF action call without i= ncluding an action node?

=C2=A0

Jason, my understanding is that an error should be r= eturned since the input leaf has mandatory true.

=C2=A0

Interestingly, the following text (for rpc) is missi= ng from the action section. Oversight or on purpose?

https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-7.= 14.2

=C2=A0=C2=A0 If a leaf in the input tree has a &= quot;mandatory" statement with the

=C2=A0=C2=A0 value "true", the leaf MU= ST be present in an RPC invocation.

=C2=A0

I=E2=80=99d expect this error:<= /span>

https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6241#appendix-A=

=C2=A0=C2=A0 error-tag:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 missing-attribute

=C2=A0=C2=A0 error-type:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= rpc, protocol, application

=C2=A0=C2=A0 error-severity: error=

=C2=A0=C2=A0 error-info:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= <bad-attribute> : name of the missing attribute=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <bad-elemen= t> : name of the element that is supposed

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 to= contain the missing attribute

=C2=A0=C2=A0 Description:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 An e= xpected attribute is missing.

=C2=A0

Regards,

Reshad.

=C2=A0

From: = netconf <netconf-bounces@ietf= .org> on behalf of "Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" <jason.ster= ne@nokia.com>
Date: Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 11:06 AM
To: "netc= onf@ietf.org" <netconf@ietf.org>
Subject: [netconf] Error to make a NETCONF action call without inclu= ding an action node?

=C2=A0

Hi all,

=C2=A0

If we have this YANG model (omitting some det= ails):

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 module test {

=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0containe= r foo {

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 leaf bar { type uint8; }

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 action reset {

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 input {

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 leaf reset-at {

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 type yang:date-and-time;<= /u>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 mandatory true;

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 }

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 }

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 output {

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 leaf reset-finished-at {=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 type yang:date-and-time;

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 mandatory true;=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 }

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 }

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 } // action reset

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 } // con= tainer foo

=C2=A0 =C2=A0} // module=

=C2=A0

Should NETCONF return an error (which one?) f= or this request or would the server simply do nothing an return "OK&qu= ot; (like doing a get-data on a non-existent list entry) ?

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <rpc message-id=3D"101"= ;

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 xmlns= =3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:netconf:base:1..0">

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <action xmlns=3D&quo= t;urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:1">

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <foo xml= ns=3D"urn:example:test">

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0</foo>= ;

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </action><= u>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </rpc>

=C2=A0

Jason

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