= <symmetric-key> <name>ex-octet-string-based-symmetric-key</name> <key-format>ct:octet-string-key-format</key-format> <key>base64encodedvalue=3D=3D</key> </symmetric-key>

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Below you=E2=80=99ll note the "is this the right type?=E2=80=9D comment. = Currently the =E2=80=9Cid=E2=80=9D node is type =E2=80=9Cstring=E2=80=9D,= what type is used by TLS? case psk { if-feature psk-auth; container psk { description=20 "Specifies the server identity using a PSK (pre-shared or pairwise-symmetric key)."; uses ks:local-or-keystore-symmetric-key-grouping { augment "local-or-keystore/local/local-definition" { if-feature "ks:local-definitions-supported"; description "Adds an 'id' value when the PSK is used by TLS."; leaf id { type string; // FIXME: is this the right type? description "The key id used in the TLS protocol for PSKs."; } =20 }=20 }=20 }=20 }=20 K. --Apple-Mail=_B5AD7110-ED08-4D09-9E2D-F2ECC91FFAC6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

Hi = Henk,

I=E2=80=99m trying to close a couple issues = on list before the meeting...

Below you=E2=80=99ll note the "is this the right type?=E2=80=9D= comment. Currently the =E2=80=9Cid=E2=80=9D node is type = =E2=80=9Cstring=E2=80=9D, what type is used by TLS?

case psk = {

= if-feature = psk-auth;

= container = psk = {

= description

= "Specifies the server identity using a = PSK (pre-shared

= or pairwise-symmetric key).";

= uses ks:local-or-keystore-symmetric-key-grouping {

= augment "local-or-keystore/local/local-definition" {

= if-feature "ks:local-definitions-supported";

= description

= "Adds an 'id' value when the PSK is used = by TLS.";

= leaf = id = {

= type string; // = FIXME: is this the right type?

= description

= "The key id used in the TLS protocol for = PSKs.";

= } =

= }

}

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The use of HTTPS > maximizes transport-level interoperability, while allowing for > encoding selection from text, e.g. XML or JSON, to binary. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif-04 > = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif-04 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-netconf-https-notif-04 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netconf mailing list > netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf Mahesh Jethanandani (as co-author) mjethanandani@gmail.com From nobody Mon Jul 27 09:52:50 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD033A1B1B for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mahesh, Thanks for updating the text. One question, are you sure you need the statement: This example shows the flow assuming that Subscribed Notifications is used and therefore a notification is sent before sending the first notification. The example would be the same for when Subscribed Notification is not used by removing the first POST message for . I am guessing that you mean "Subscription State Change Notifications" here rather than "Subscribed Notifications". As RFC-8639 Subscription State Change Notifications are mandatory, is this statement necessary here? Perhaps you could add a non-normative appendix which shows the implications of dropping specific Subscription State Change Notifications If an implementation desires this simplification? E.g., issues with supporting replay, issues with understanding what subscription is sending traffic, no ability to see if the terms of the subscription changed, no awareness of subscription suspend, no way to signal the end/termination of a subscription, etc. All of these might be absolutely ok in an implementation, but it might be worth addressing in aggregate in a place which is outside the bounds of the normative text. Eric > -----Original Message----- > From: netconf On Behalf Of Mahesh > Jethanandani > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 11:46 AM > To: netconf@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netconf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif-04.txt > > This version of the document addresses comments received from Eric, and > updates to the ietf-truststore module. > > > On Jul 27, 2020, at 8:39 AM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > > > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration WG of the IETF. > > > > Title : An HTTPS-based Transport for Configured Subscriptions > > Authors : Mahesh Jethanandani > > Kent Watsen > > Filename : draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif-04.txt > > Pages : 27 > > Date : 2020-07-27 > > > > Abstract: > > This document defines a YANG data module for configuring HTTPS based > > configured subscription, as defined in RFC 8639. The use of HTTPS > > maximizes transport-level interoperability, while allowing for > > encoding selection from text, e.g. XML or JSON, to binary. > > > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif/ > > > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif-04 > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif-0 > > 4 > > > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif-04 > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at > tools.ietf.org. > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > netconf mailing list > > netconf@ietf.org > > 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Kent and Mahesh Agenda for the NETCONF 108 WG Session ------------------------------------- https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/108/materials/agenda-108-netconf Session: Tuesday July 28th UTC: 11:00-12:40 WG Chairs: Mahesh Jethanandani (mjethanandani at gmail dot com) Kent Watsen (kent plus ietf at watsen dot net) Available During Session: ICS: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/108/sessions/netconf.ics MeetEcho: = https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/ietf108/?group=3Dnetconf Jabber: xmpp:netconf@jabber.ietf.org?join Available During and After Session: CodiMD: https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-ietf-108-netconf Slides (TGZ): = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/108/agenda/netconf-drafts.tgz Slides (PDF): = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/108/agenda/netconf-drafts.pdf Available After Session: Recording: = https://ietf108.conf.meetecho.com/index.php/Recordings#NETCONF Jabber Logs: https://www.ietf.org/jabber/logs/netconf Introduction Chairs (10 minutes) Session Intro & WG Status Chartered items: Status and Issues on Client-Server Suite of Drafts (10 min) https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-crypto-types-17 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-trust-anchors-12 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-keystore-19 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-tcp-client-server-07 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-ssh-client-server-21 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-tls-client-server-21 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-http-client-server-04 = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-client-server-20 = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-client-server-20 Presenter: Kent Watsen An HTTPS-based Transport for Configured Subscriptions (10 min) https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif-03 Presenter: Mahesh Jethanandani Non-Chartered items: UDP-based Transport for Configured Subscriptions (10 min) https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-unyte-netconf-udp-notif-00 Presenter: Pierre Francois =20 Subscription to Distributed Notifications (10 min) = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-unyte-netconf-distributed-notif-00 Presenter: Thomas Graf Self-explanation Data Node Tag & Telemetry Data Export Capabilities = (15 min) = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tao-netconf-notif-node-tag-capabili= ties-02 = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tao-netconf-data-export-capabilitie= s-01 Presenter: Qin Wu / Liu Peng Adaptive Subscription to YANG & Bulk Subscription to YANG Event = Notifications (15 min) = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wang-netconf-adaptive-subscription-= 02 = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wang-netconf-bulk-subscribed-notifi= cations-02 Presenter: Qin Wu / Liu Peng =20 Conveying a CSR in a SZTP Bootstrapping Request (10 min) https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kwatsen-netconf-sztp-csr-01 Presenter: Kent Watsen Remaining 10 min. 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X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 09:46:19 -0000 Hi all, this might be pretty much "just in time", but let me elaborate a bit here: After re-exploring the source of PSK Identity (hints), I arrived at PSK Identity Encoding again: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4279#section-5.1 If that is the PSK "id" that you are looking for, that always involves a conversion to UTF8 encoded bytestrings. If that is interoperable with the type string here, that is fine, I'd say. Interoperability already is a rather painful compromise here in (D)TLS. Please take care to adhere to the encoding guidance, therefore. I am not sure, if you want to cover identity hints, too: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4279#section-5.2 Viele Grüße, Henk On 21.07.20 16:44, Kent Watsen wrote: > Hi Henk, > > I’m trying to close a couple issues on list before the meeting... > > Below you’ll note the "is this the right type?” comment. Currently the > “id” node is type “string”, what type is used by TLS? > > > case*psk*{ > if-feature*psk-auth*; > container*psk*{ > description > "Specifies the server identity using a PSK (pre-shared > or pairwise-symmetric key)."; > uses*ks:local-or-keystore-symmetric-key-grouping*{ > augment"local-or-keystore/local/local-definition"{ > if-feature"ks:local-definitions-supported"; > description > "Adds an 'id' value when the PSK is used by TLS."; > leaf*id*{ > typestring; // FIXME: is this the right type? > description > "The key id used in the TLS protocol for PSKs."; > } > } > } > } > } > > > K. > > From nobody Tue Jul 28 03:40:53 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 014FC3A0AAF for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 03:40:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.62 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.62 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Is that correct, or should there = be a single response for a single post request? 2) Section 2.1: Do you need to specify on what path the GET request is made? Is this a con= figured path described in section 4.1? Otherwise, it is not possible that = the receiver could be running a webserver for other purposes? 3) Section 4.1: The tree diagram doesn't contain the path leaf. Possibly a more expanded t= ree diagram might be helpful. Arguably the tcp part could/should be omitte= d. 4) I'm not a big fan of this construct: uses httpc:http-client-stack-grouping { refine "transport/tcp" { // create the logical impossibility of enabling "tcp" // transport if-feature "not httpc:tcp-supported"; I was wondering if it would be better if the base grouping should be split = (perhaps too late for that)? 5) augment "transport/tls/tls/http-client-parameters" { leaf path { type string; description "Relative URI to the target resource."; } description "Augmentation to add a path to the target resource."; } What is this URI relative to? 6) reference "RFC 7407: A YANG Data Model for SNMP Configuration."; It seems strange to have a dependency on SNMP configuration, but perhaps th= is is just a historical aberration. 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protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=SHA1; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0BB2_01D664B5.3520F9A0" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: BL0PR11MB3122.namprd11.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 849a6a9a-3b84-470a-bd03-08d832ede0e6 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 28 Jul 2020 12:00:53.3683 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5ae1af62-9505-4097-a69a-c1553ef7840e X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: fRZ9VI/q6spIkb80dXXZ0JdcJDnqZQFnJFnvgp7q/Jj6Bf9hdufgoF6cIUYog0p5 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BL0PR11MB3316 X-OriginatorOrg: cisco.com X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 173.37.102.13, xch-rcd-003.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: alln-core-5.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif-04.txt X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:01:42 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_0BB2_01D664B5.3520F9A0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0BB3_01D664B5.3520F9A0" ------=_NextPart_001_0BB3_01D664B5.3520F9A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mahesh, What I was trying to ask during the IETF session was the following: There are many downsides to *not* including the Subscription State Change Notifications, including the DOS attacks listed below. As several people mentioned during the session, the draft isn't clear on which elements of https-notif require SN, and which do not. Additionally, the intro section of https-notif isn't clear here: This document defines two YANG 1.1 [RFC7950] data modules, one for augmenting the Subscription to YANG Notifications [RFC8639] to add a transport type, and another for configuring and managing HTTPS based receivers for the notifications. The first time I understand all of SN isn't mandatory is Section 8.2. If there are mandatory SN elements which are sometimes optional, could you explicitly list these in the draft? Also could you list what the potential downsides of excluding mandatory might be, and when these potential downsides can be safely discounted? Thanks, Eric > -----Original Message----- > From: netconf On Behalf Of Eric Voit (evoit) > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 12:53 PM > To: Mahesh Jethanandani ; netconf@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netconf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif-04.txt > > Hi Mahesh, > > Thanks for updating the text. One question, are you sure you need the > statement: > > This example shows the flow assuming that > Subscribed Notifications is used and therefore a > started> notification is sent before sending the first > notification. > The example would be the same for when Subscribed Notification > is > not > used by removing the first POST message for started>. > > I am guessing that you mean "Subscription State Change Notifications" here > rather than "Subscribed Notifications". As RFC-8639 Subscription State > Change Notifications are mandatory, is this statement necessary here? > > Perhaps you could add a non-normative appendix which shows the > implications of dropping specific Subscription State Change Notifications If > an implementation desires this simplification? E.g., issues with supporting > replay, issues with understanding what subscription is sending traffic, no > ability to see if the terms of the subscription changed, no awareness of > subscription suspend, no way to signal the end/termination of a > subscription, etc. > > All of these might be absolutely ok in an implementation, but it might be > worth addressing in aggregate in a place which is outside the bounds of the > normative text. > > Eric > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: netconf < netconf-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Mahesh > > Jethanandani > > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 11:46 AM > > To: netconf@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [netconf] I-D Action: > > draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif-04.txt > > > > This version of the document addresses comments received from Eric, > > and updates to the ietf-truststore module. > > > > > On Jul 27, 2020, at 8:39 AM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > > > > > > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > > directories. > > > This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration WG of the IETF. > > > > > > Title : An HTTPS-based Transport for Configured > Subscriptions > > > Authors : Mahesh Jethanandani > > > Kent Watsen > > > Filename : draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif-04.txt > > > Pages : 27 > > > Date : 2020-07-27 > > > > > > Abstract: > > > This document defines a YANG data module for configuring HTTPS > based > > > configured subscription, as defined in RFC 8639. The use of HTTPS > > > maximizes transport-level interoperability, while allowing for > > > encoding selection from text, e.g. XML or JSON, to binary. > > > > > > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif/ > > > > > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif-04 > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif > > > -0 > > > 4 > > > > > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif-04 > > > > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > > > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at > > tools.ietf.org. > > > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > netconf mailing list > > > netconf@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > > > > Mahesh Jethanandani (as co-author) > > mjethanandani@gmail.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > netconf mailing list > > netconf@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf ------=_NextPart_001_0BB3_01D664B5.3520F9A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Mahesh,

What I = was trying to ask during the IETF session was the = following:

There are many downsides to *not* including the = Subscription State Change Notifications, including the DOS attacks = listed below. As several people mentioned during the = session, the draft isn't clear on which elements of https-notif require = SN, and which do not. Additionally, the intro section of = https-notif isn't clear here:

This document = defines two YANG 1.1 [RFC7950] data

modules, one for = augmenting the Subscription to YANG = Notifications

[RFC8639] to add a = transport type, and another for configuring and

managing HTTPS based = receivers for the notifications.

The first time I understand all of SN isn't = mandatory is Section 8.2.

If = there are mandatory SN elements which are sometimes optional, could you = explicitly list these in the draft? Also could you list what = the potential downsides of excluding mandatory might be, and when these = potential downsides can be safely discounted?

Thanks,

Eric

> = -----Original Message-----

> From: netconf = <netconf-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Eric Voit (evoit)

> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 12:53 PM

> To: Mahesh Jethanandani = <mjethanandani@gmail.com>; netconf@ietf.org

> Subject: Re: [netconf] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif-04.txt

> =

> Hi Mahesh,

> Thanks for = updating the text. One question, are you sure you need the

> statement:

> =

> = &= nbsp; This example shows the flow assuming = that

> = = Subscribed Notifications is used and therefore a = <subscription-

> = = started> notification is sent before sending the = first

> notification.

> = = The example would be the same for when Subscribed = Notification

> is

> not

> = = used by removing the first POST message for = <subscription-

> started>.

> I am guessing = that you mean "Subscription State Change Notifications" = here

> rather than "Subscribed = Notifications". As RFC-8639 Subscription State

> Change Notifications are mandatory, is this = statement necessary here?

> Perhaps you could add a non-normative appendix = which shows the

> implications of dropping = specific Subscription State Change Notifications If

> an implementation desires this = simplification? E.g., issues with supporting

> replay, issues with understanding what = subscription is sending traffic, no

> = ability to see if the terms of the subscription changed, no awareness = of

> subscription suspend, no way to = signal the end/termination of a

> = subscription, etc.

> All of these might be absolutely ok in an = implementation, but it might be

> worth = addressing in aggregate in a place which is outside the bounds of = the

> normative text.

> Eric

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: netconf <netconf-bounces@ietf.org<= /span>> On Behalf Of Mahesh

> > = Jethanandani

> > Sent: Monday, July 27, = 2020 11:46 AM

> > To: netconf@ietf.org

> > Subject: Re: [netconf] I-D = Action:

> > = draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif-04.txt

> = >

> > This version of the document = addresses comments received from Eric,

> = > and updates to the ietf-truststore module.

> >

> > > = On Jul 27, 2020, at 8:39 AM, internet-drafts@ietf.org<= /span> wrote:

> > >

> > = > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line = Internet-Drafts

> > directories.

> > > This draft is a work item of the = Network Configuration WG of the IETF.

> = > >

> > = > = Title : An = HTTPS-based Transport for Configured

> = Subscriptions

> > = > = Authors : Mahesh = Jethanandani

> > = > &nb= sp; &nbs= p; Kent Watsen

> > > = = Filename : = draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif-04.txt

> = > > = Pages : = 27

> > > = Date : = 2020-07-27

> > >

> > > Abstract:

> > > This document defines a = YANG data module for configuring HTTPS

> = based

> > > configured = subscription, as defined in RFC 8639. The use of HTTPS

> > > maximizes = transport-level interoperability, while allowing for

> > > encoding selection from = text, e.g. XML or JSON, to binary.

> = > >

> > >

> > > The IETF datatracker status page for = this draft is:

> > > https://datatracker.ietf.= org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif/

> > >

> > = > There are also htmlized versions available at:

> > > https://tools.ietf.org/ht= ml/draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif-04

> > > https://datatracker.ietf.= org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif

> > > -0

> = > > 4

> > >

> > > A diff from the previous version is = available at:

> > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcd= iff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-netconf-https-notif-04

> > >

> > = >

> > > Please note that it may = take a couple of minutes from the time of

> > > submission until the htmlized = version and diff are available at

> > = tools.ietf.org.

> > >

> > > Internet-Drafts are also available = by anonymous FTP at:

> > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/intern= et-drafts/

> > >

> > = > _______________________________________________

> > > netconf mailing list

> > > netconf@ietf.org

> > > https://www.ietf.org/mail= man/listinfo/netconf

> = >

> > Mahesh Jethanandani (as = co-author)

> > mjethanandani@gmail.com

> >

> = >

> > = _______________________________________________

> > netconf mailing list

> > netconf@ietf.org

> > https://www.ietf.org/mail= man/listinfo/netconf

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1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif-04.txt X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 20:52:32 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_9A78963C-04AD-4732-A0AF-CA32F7C9094C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Eric, > There are many downsides to *not* including the Subscription State = Change Notifications, including the DOS attacks listed below. As = several people mentioned during the session, the draft isn't clear on = which elements of https-notif require SN, and which do not.=20 Disagree, as it=E2=80=99s obvious that *implementing* the modules = requires SN, while not implementing them doesn=E2=80=99t. But, per your = comment below, it would be good to float this point towards the = beginning. > Additionally, the intro section of https-notif isn't clear here:=20 > This document defines two YANG 1.1 [RFC7950] data > modules, one for augmenting the Subscription to YANG Notifications > [RFC8639] to add a transport type, and another for configuring = and > managing HTTPS based receivers for the notifications. > The first time I understand all of SN isn't mandatory is Section 8.2. Ack, see above. > If there are mandatory SN elements which are sometimes optional, could = you explicitly list these in the draft? This draft does not =E2=80=9Cupdate=E2=80=9D RFC 8639. No change to = RFC8639 normative text exists in the draft. > Also could you list what the potential downsides of excluding = mandatory might be, and when these potential downsides can be safely = discounted? An enumerated list would be overkill. A passing comment is sufficient. = The following seems about right: =20 =E2=80=9CUsing the 'https-notif=E2=80=99 transport outside of RFC 8639 = MAY be desirable in cases where a simple notification-delivery mechanism = is sufficient for the intended use. When advanced delivery features are = needed (e.g., replay, QoS), RFC 8639 is SHOULD be used.=E2=80=9D K. --Apple-Mail=_9A78963C-04AD-4732-A0AF-CA32F7C9094C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi = Eric,

There are = many downsides to *not* including the Subscription State Change = Notifications, including the DOS attacks listed below. As = several people mentioned during the session, the draft isn't clear on = which elements of https-notif require SN, and which do not. =

Disagree, = as it=E2=80=99s obvious that *implementing* the modules requires SN, = while not implementing them doesn=E2=80=99t. But, per your comment = below, it would be good to float this point towards the = beginning.

Additionally, the intro = section of https-notif isn't clear here:
     This document defines two YANG = 1.1 [RFC7950] data
    modules, one for augmenting the = Subscription to YANG Notifications
   [RFC8639] to add a transport = type, and another for configuring and
    managing HTTPS based receivers for = the notifications.
The first time I understand all of SN isn't mandatory is = Section 8.2.

Ack, see above.

If there are mandatory SN elements = which are sometimes optional, could you explicitly list these in the = draft?

This = draft does not =E2=80=9Cupdate=E2=80=9D RFC 8639. No change to = RFC8639 normative text exists in the draft.

Also could you list what the = potential downsides of excluding mandatory might be, and when these = potential downsides can be safely = discounted?

An enumerated list would be overkill. A = passing comment is sufficient. The following seems about right: =

= =E2=80=9CUsing the 'https-notif=E2=80=99 transport outside of RFC = 8639 MAY be desirable in cases where a simple = notification-delivery mechanism is sufficient for the intended use. = When advanced delivery features are needed (e.g., replay, QoS), = RFC 8639 is SHOULD be used.=E2=80=9D

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([2601:647:5600:5020:9c44:e9ff:18d8:c86c]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w71sm92360pfd.6.2020.07.28.15.33.15 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 28 Jul 2020 15:33:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Mahesh Jethanandani Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A65FE228-B5C0-4A04-B8C8-4427CB5E23E5" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.6\)) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 15:33:14 -0700 In-Reply-To: Cc: Kent Watsen , "Eric Voit (evoit)" , "netconf@ietf.org" To: Alexander Clemm References: <159586435098.29591.15728904593699090813@ietfa.amsl.com> <010001739732b207-d1f05f7d-170d-436e-8b94-2576a3bb5365-000000@us-east-1.amazonses.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.6) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netconf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif-04.txt X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETCONF WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 22:33:20 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A65FE228-B5C0-4A04-B8C8-4427CB5E23E5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Alex, If the implementation calls for a method by which a receiver wants to = subscribe to particular notifications, by all means you need to = implement SN. However, if all you need to implement is a channel by = which notifications can be send from the publisher to the receiver, = however that channel is set up, why would you need to implement SN? Subscription State Change Notification is central to the concept of = being able to subscribe to events. It is not central to how = notifications are sent. M > On Jul 28, 2020, at 3:19 PM, Alexander Clemm = wrote: >=20 > Hi Kent, > I am getting a bit confused here. Are you saying that you would only = need to implement the augmentations, not the subscriptions model being = augmented? Subscription State Change Notifications are an integral part = of the whole subscription concept. =20 > Anyway, I agree this point needs clarification. > --- Alex > =20 > From: netconf > On Behalf Of Kent Watsen > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 1:52 PM > To: Eric Voit (evoit) > > Cc: netconf@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netconf] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif-04.txt > =20 > Hi Eric, > =20 > There are many downsides to *not* including the Subscription State = Change Notifications, including the DOS attacks listed below. As = several people mentioned during the session, the draft isn't clear on = which elements of https-notif require SN, and which do not. =20 > =20 > Disagree, as it=E2=80=99s obvious that *implementing* the modules = requires SN, while not implementing them doesn=E2=80=99t. But, per your = comment below, it would be good to float this point towards the = beginning. > =20 >=20 >=20 > Additionally, the intro section of https-notif isn't clear here:=20 > This document defines two YANG 1.1 [RFC7950] data > modules, one for augmenting the Subscription to YANG Notifications > [RFC8639] to add a transport type, and another for configuring = and > managing HTTPS based receivers for the notifications. > The first time I understand all of SN isn't mandatory is Section 8.2. > =20 > Ack, see above. > =20 >=20 >=20 > If there are mandatory SN elements which are sometimes optional, could = you explicitly list these in the draft? > =20 > This draft does not =E2=80=9Cupdate=E2=80=9D RFC 8639. No change to = RFC8639 normative text exists in the draft. > =20 >=20 >=20 > Also could you list what the potential downsides of excluding = mandatory might be, and when these potential downsides can be safely = discounted? > =20 > An enumerated list would be overkill. A passing comment is = sufficient. The following seems about right: =20 > =20 > =E2=80=9CUsing the 'https-notif=E2=80=99 transport outside of RFC = 8639 MAY be desirable in cases where a simple notification-delivery = mechanism is sufficient for the intended use. When advanced delivery = features are needed (e.g., replay, QoS), RFC 8639 is SHOULD be used.=E2=80= =9D >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > K. >=20 >=20 > =20 > =20 > _______________________________________________ > netconf mailing list > netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf = --Apple-Mail=_A65FE228-B5C0-4A04-B8C8-4427CB5E23E5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi = Alex,

If the = implementation calls for a method by which a receiver wants to subscribe = to particular notifications, by all means you need to implement SN. = However, if all you need to implement is a channel by which = notifications can be send from the publisher to the receiver, however = that channel is set up, why would you need to implement SN?

Subscription State = Change Notification is central to the concept of being able to subscribe = to events. It is not central to how notifications are sent.

On Jul = 28, 2020, at 3:19 PM, Alexander Clemm <alex@futurewei.com> = wrote:

Hi = Kent,
I am = getting a bit confused here. Are you saying that you would only = need to implement the augmentations, not the subscriptions model being = augmented? Subscription State Change Notifications are an integral = part of the whole subscription concept.
Anyway, I = agree this point needs clarification.
--- Alex

From: netconf <netconf-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf = Of Kent Watsen
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 1:52 = PM
To: Eric Voit (evoit) <evoit=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Cc: netconf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [netconf] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-netconf-https-notif-04.txt

Hi Eric,

There are many downsides to *not* including the Subscription = State Change Notifications, including the DOS attacks listed below. =   As several people mentioned during the session, the draft = isn't clear on which elements of https-notif require SN, and which do = not.

Disagree, as it=E2=80=99s obvious that *implementing* the = modules requires SN, while not implementing them doesn=E2=80=99t. = But, per your comment below, it would be good to float this point = towards the beginning.

Additionally, the intro section of = https-notif isn't clear here:
     This document defines two YANG = 1.1 [RFC7950] data
    modules, one for = augmenting the Subscription to YANG Notifications
=    [RFC8639] to add a transport type, and another for = configuring and
    managing HTTPS = based receivers for the notifications.
The first time I understand all of SN isn't mandatory is = Section 8.2.

Ack, see above.

If there are mandatory SN elements which are sometimes = optional, could you explicitly list these in the draft?

This draft does not =E2=80=9Cupdate=E2=80=9D RFC 8639. = No change to RFC8639 normative text exists in the draft.

Also could you list what the potential downsides of excluding = mandatory might be, and when these potential downsides can be safely = discounted?

An enumerated list would be overkill. A passing comment is sufficient. The following seems = about right:

=E2=80=9CUsing the = 'https-notif=E2=80=99 transport outside of RFC 8639 MAY be desirable in = cases where a simple notification-delivery mechanism is sufficient = for the intended use. When advanced delivery features are = needed (e.g., replay, QoS), RFC 8639 is SHOULD be used.=E2=80=9D

K.

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