From nobody Sun Mar 1 13:48:42 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D023D3A0984 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2020 13:48:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F0grlB_SoYx0 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2020 13:48:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy6-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy6-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.39.168]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 045B33A0985 for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2020 13:48:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from cmgw14.unifiedlayer.com (unknown [10.9.0.14]) by gproxy6.mail.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85F5A1E0A5F for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2020 14:48:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id 8WRwj2oq9Rmzw8WRwj1lyN; Sun, 01 Mar 2020 14:48:36 -0700 X-Authority-Reason: nr=8 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=QLxGuDDL c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:17 a=dLZJa+xiwSxG16/P+YVxDGlgEgI=:19 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10:nop_ipv6 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10:nop_charset_1 a=SS2py6AdgQ4A:10:nop_rcvd_month_year a=Vy_oeq2dmq0A:10:endurance_base64_authed_username_1 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=AUd_NHdVAAAA:8 a=9qxNCY_qAAAA:8 a=i0EeH86SAAAA:8 a=dmRzt_VgqthMUV4LQTgA:9 a=7Zwj6sZBwVKJAoWSPKxL6X1jA+E=:19 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10:nop_charset_2 a=-RoEEKskQ1sA:10:nop_election2020_name_body a=w1C3t2QeGrPiZgrLijVG:22 a=Yz9wTY_ffGCQnEDHKrcv:22 a=A2X48xt2e1hG9NJDz63Y:22 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=sHs+cJQCaYWhcgUwL/zFkhholpWHuS+P1pBZ67SeJEI=; b=lyOAZ7IBEuxdvcRRsz5DlnUNeV xQZZ4sIluvdGdbF9z8jLUcQZ+u5Wd75VeS2ofpUR43Cy911gTCkacrE2RDeNL18nVVG7yqFy6qr55 zYfXNkYhIgwJUKOXzbSGVm8gw; Received: from [127.0.0.1] (port=32091 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1j8WRw-003gob-5W; Sun, 01 Mar 2020 14:48:36 -0700 To: "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" , "netmod@ietf.org" , "netmod-chairs@ietf.org" References: From: Lou Berger Message-ID: <29afc69d-02bd-139f-ffc6-93abf057c78c@labn.net> Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 16:48:34 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-Source-L: Yes X-Exim-ID: 1j8WRw-003gob-5W X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([IPv6:::1]) [127.0.0.1]:32091 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 2 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Version selection draft posted X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2020 21:48:40 -0000 Excellent wort all -- stay tuned for the adoption process! On 2/29/2020 2:21 AM, Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote: > Netmod chairs, > > The version selection draft draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 is now posted. With that, the YANG versioning design team would like to please request you make an WG adoption call for these documents. > > The updated full list is: > > 1) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03 > - Solution overview, updated since 106 to cover updates to version selection and schema comparison drafts. > > 2) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01 > - Base module versioning solution, unchanged from the version presented at 106. > > 3) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01 > - YANG Semantic version numbers, unchanged from the version presented at 106. > > 4) draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03 > - YANG packages draft, updated since 106 > > 5) draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 > - Version selection, updated since 106, as per notes below > > 6) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00 > - Schema comparison tooling, unchanged from the version presented at 106. > > The main changes to the version selection draft are: > - We have tried to simplify the model, but at the same time give servers more flexibility about how they implement version selection and what it can be used for. E.g. if the server wants to allow a client to choose between different schema versions, but require that all clients use the same schema version, that is now possible > - The draft explicitly disallows schema-selection happening mid-session > - The solution allows the server to require clients to configure schema-sets before they are used > - The solution provides more information about which schema-sets are compatible with each other > > Regards, > Rob > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: netmod On Behalf Of Rob Wilton (rwilton) >> Sent: 19 February 2020 17:03 >> To: netmod@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [netmod] FW: New Version Notification for draft-rwilton- >> netmod-yang-packages-03.txt >> >> Just as a reminder of what the full set of versioning documents are that >> we will ask the chairs to consider for WG adoption (in case you wish to >> start reviewing some of the drafts early), are listed them below, and I >> have indicated which ones have been (or will be) updated since 106. >> >> 1) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03 >> - Solution overview, updated since 106 to cover updates to version >> selection and schema comparison drafts. >> >> 2) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01 >> - Base module versioning solution, unchanged from the version presented >> at 106. >> >> 3) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01 >> - YANG Semantic version numbers, unchanged from the version presented at >> 106. >> >> 4) draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03 >> - YANG packages draft, updated since 106, as per notes below. >> >> 5) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-02 (TBD) >> - Version selection, will post updated version soon, current aim is for >> the end of Feb. >> >> 6) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00 >> - Schema comparison tooling, unchanged from the version presented at 106. >> >> Thanks, >> Rob >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Lou Berger >>> Sent: 19 February 2020 16:37 >>> To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) ; netmod@ietf.org >>> Subject: Re: [netmod] FW: New Version Notification for draft-rwilton- >>> netmod-yang-packages-03.txt >>> >>> Thanks Rob/Team! >>> >>> All, >>> >>>     We're planning to run the adoption poll on the versioning >>> document set  once the next update of the selection draft is published >>> -- so please feel free to get started reading/commenting on this >> document now. >>> Lou >>> >>> On 2/19/2020 11:31 AM, Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote: >>>> FYI, I've posted an updated version of the YANG packages draft. >>>> This is >>> the version that we plan to request a WG adoption call on, once we >>> have an updated version of the version selection draft posted >>> (hopefully ready soon). >>>> To highlight the main changes: >>>> - Added a section to describe how YANG packages relate to >>>> datastore >>> schema, along with guidance on how to structure package definitions. >>>> - Unified the package definition on the server vs in YANG instance >>> data documents. In particular, the on-server definition no longer >>> reuses the module-sets from YANG library. This also simplifies the >>> explanation of how these definitions relate since the same common >> grouping is reused. >>>> - Move packages into its own top level container, rather than >>>> being >>> under YANG library. >>>> - Changed the binding between datastore schema in YANG library and >>> packages. Before there was a 1:1 binding from datastore schema to >>> package definition. It has been changed to a 1:N binding, i.e. a >>> datastore scheme is represented by a union of compatible packages. >>> This aligns with how the relationship is defined in the version >> selection draft. >>>> Thanks, >>>> Rob >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org >>>> Sent: 19 February 2020 16:15 >>>> To: Jason Sterne ; Reshad Rahman (rrahman) >>>> ; Rob Wilton (rwilton) ; Joe >>>> Clarke (jclarke) ; Wu Bo ; >>>> Bo Wu >>>> Subject: New Version Notification for >>>> draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03.txt >>>> >>>> >>>> A new version of I-D, draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03.txt >>>> has been successfully submitted by Robert Wilton and posted to the >>>> IETF >>> repository. >>>> Name: draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages >>>> Revision: 03 >>>> Title: YANG Packages >>>> Document date: 2020-02-19 >>>> Group: Individual Submission >>>> Pages: 56 >>>> URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-rwilton- >>> netmod-yang-packages-03.txt >>>> Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rwilton-netmod- >>> yang-packages/ >>>> Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rwilton-netmod-yang- >>> packages-03 >>>> Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-rwilton- >>> netmod-yang-packages >>>> Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-rwilton- >> netmod- >>> yang-packages-03 >>>> Abstract: >>>> This document defines YANG packages, a versioned organizational >>>> structure holding a set of related YANG modules, that collectively >>>> define a YANG schema. 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To me, it's an important piece of information to know that ietf-netconf-acm is optional to implement. It seems that we have 3 potential places where to insert this information 1. The associated document. We could and should insert it into the RFC text.     Drawback: Somehow the YANG module is looked at independently of the associated document 2. import-stmt: people on the list apparently don't like this 3. module description? What harm would it do if the description could contain this info? Regards, Benoit > > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 5:44 AM Ladislav Lhotka > wrote: > > On Wed, 2020-01-08 at 04:49 -0800, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 1:11 AM Ladislav Lhotka > wrote: > > > On Tue, 2020-01-07 at 14:29 +0000, Balázs Lengyel wrote: > > > > If that is the consensus, I can remove the description > statements, no big > > > > deal. (I actually like the statements, but they are not > important for this > > > > draft) > > > > > > Of course, it is not that important, but I don't see how this > information > > > could > > > be harmful, if it is included with the import. In my view, it > is not meant > > > as a > > > conformance requirement but just an info from the module > author about the > > > meaning of the import statement. > > > > > > > It adds a lot of extra work but more importantly the import-stmt > is the wrong > > place > > What work do you mean? I thought that it would be just info for > potential > developers (or their managers) that implementing the module requires > implementing other modules and functionality - or not. > > > > It is duplication because the individual data-def statements should > have any notes > about implementation requirements. The duplication may even be wrong. > E.g., in the module it says NACM is not required, but what if some objects > have NACM requirements listed in the Security Considerations section? > That is the RFC section to discuss NACM requirements. > > > For example, if a module imports ietf-netconf-nacm only for using > "node- > instance-identifier" type, it is relatively uninteresting. Otherwise, > implementation of the module may just be out of question. > > > > to document such a complex and unrelated issue as server conformance > > requirements. > > > > > > > The root of this problem (and design flaw of YANG, IMO) is > that import is > > > "overloaded" with two different purposes, one of which > effectively requires > > > that > > > the imported module be also implemented, while the other doesn't. > > > > > > > The import-stmt is only used to map a local prefix to an > external module. > > But one thing is using a prefix for accessing top-level types and > groupings > (i.e. stuff in YANG modules), and another thing is accessing > schema nodes, which > have to be present in the schema tree. In complicated data models, > it is not > exactly easy to figure out all these dependencies. > > > I do not agree these are different things. > In both cases the prefix is used to determine the imported module that > contains the identifier. > > > So maybe what is really overloaded are the namespace prefixes: > they are used for > addressing YANG modules, schema nodes and instances (in XPath). > > Lada > > > > Andy > > > > This proposal to add conformance info the the import-stmt would > overload it > > with > > another purpose. > > > > Not even a typedef is easy to classify  (e.g., leafref requires > implementation > > of a data node). > > I certainly agree that YANG conformance is poorly specified, poorly > > understood, and > > in real need of improvement. Likewise, the import-stmt is also > in need of some > > improvement > > since import-by-exact-revision is (and has always been) poorly > designed. > > > > > > > Lada > > > > > > > Balazs > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Martin Bjorklund > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 2:38 PM > > > > To: Balázs Lengyel > > > > > Cc: andy@yumaworks.com ; > lhotka@nic.cz ; netmod@ietf.org > > > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a > module is > > > needed as > > > > import-only or as implemented > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > I agree w/ Andy and others that we should not add this to > the import's > > > > description.  I don't think this kind of conformance text > belongs to the > > > > import's description.  If you think it is important to state > this, the > > > best > > > > place is probably as plain text in the document itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > > > > > Balázs Lengyel > wrote: > > > > > As a draft author who was asked to add text about the > imports IMHO > > > > > > > > > > *   it would be easy for me to remove the description from > the import. > > > > > Actually I really just want to know what is acceptable to > the group, so > > > I > > > > > can proceed > > > > > *   I also think that adding this text is in most cases > easy and it does > > > not > > > > > need updates later. > > > > > *   The rules in some cases might not be trivial. > > > > > > > > > > *   Imported YAMs need to be implemented if > > > > > > > > > > *   Imported parts are included in Xpath (augment, when, > must, require- > > > > > instance) > > > > > > > > > > *   Imported YAMs do not need to be implemented if only > the following > > > are > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > *   Types > > > > > *   Features > > > > > *   extensions > > > > > > > > > > *   Ambiguous if > > > > > > > > > > *   groupings are used > > > > > *   if the dependency is not formally defined by YANG, but > functionally > > > > > needed. (E.g. notification-capabilities does not formally > need YANG- > > > > > Push > > > to > > > > > be implemented, however there is no sense in defining > capabilities if > > > YANG- > > > > > Push is itself not implemented.) > > > > > *   deviation ? > > > > > *   other cases ? > > > > > > > > > > Regards Balazs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: netmod > On Behalf Of Andy Bierman > > > > > Sent: 2019. december 19., csütörtök 17:23 > > > > > To: Ladislav Lhotka > > > > > > Cc: NetMod WG > > > > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a > module is > > > > > needed as import-only or as implemented > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 8:00 AM Ladislav Lhotka > > > > > lhotka@nic.cz > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2019-12-19 at 07:52 +0000, Schönwälder, Jürgen wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 08:23:27AM +0100, Ladislav > Lhotka wrote: > > > > > > > I don't see how YANG syntax defines this. If a module > imports > > > > > > > ietf-netconf- acm, it could be because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - it just uses a typedef, such as > "node-instance-identifier", and > > > then > > > > > > >   ietf-netconf-acm needn't be implemented (but can be), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - it augments ietf-netconf-acm, which makes sense only > if the latter > > > > > > >   module is implemented. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It it the YANG library that specifies whether a module is > > > > > > > implemented or not, but the "import" statement itself > doesn't tell > > > you > > > > > > > anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can we not assume that an implementor will figure out > the difference? > > > > > > > > > > An implementor should be able to figure it out, but other > potential > > > > > module users may not. For example, if somebody is > evaluating whether > > > > > to use a module for their device or not, it is important > to know that > > > > > NACM has to be implemented (or not). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to be talking about a new conformance > documentation procedure > > > > > > > > > > that attempts to solve the problem "to use modules A, B, > and C > > > > > together > > > > > > > > > > to achieve some functionality X, all these conditions need > to be met".. > > > > > > > > > > (Sounds more like a problem for YANG Packages to solve) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO this is a much harder problem than something that can > be solved > > > > > > > > > > with extra description-stmt text. The writer is likely to > get it wrong > > > > > or not > > > > > > > > > > keep it up to date, so a tool to analyze the file seems > like a better > > > > > solution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or someone writes a pyang plugin to determine from the > schema tree > > > > > > the kind of imports there are (for a given set of features). > > > > > > > > > > > > /js > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Ladislav Lhotka > > > > > Head, CZ.NIC Labs > > > > > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > netmod mailing list > > > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > > > -- > Ladislav Lhotka > Head, CZ.NIC Labs > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod --------------FB394B32B01BA2473E0F2824 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Sorry to resurrect this old email thread.
To me, it's an important piece of information to know that ietf-netconf-acm is optional to implement.

It seems that we have 3 potential places where to insert this information
1. The associated document. We could and should insert it into the RFC text.
    Drawback: Somehow the YANG module is looked at independently of the associated document
2. import-stmt: people on the list apparently don't like this
3. module description? What harm would it do if the description could contain this info?

Regards, Benoit


On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 5:44 AM Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz> wrote:
On Wed, 2020-01-08 at 04:49 -0800, Andy Bierman wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 1:11 AM Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2020-01-07 at 14:29 +0000, Balázs Lengyel wrote:
> > > If that is the consensus, I can remove the description statements, no big
> > > deal. (I actually like the statements, but they are not important for this
> > > draft)
> >
> > Of course, it is not that important, but I don't see how this information
> > could
> > be harmful, if it is included with the import. In my view, it is not meant
> > as a
> > conformance requirement but just an info from the module author about the
> > meaning of the import statement.
> >
>
> It adds a lot of extra work but more importantly the import-stmt is the wrong
> place

What work do you mean? I thought that it would be just info for potential
developers (or their managers) that implementing the module requires
implementing other modules and functionality - or not.



It is duplication because the individual data-def statements should have any notes
about implementation requirements. The duplication may even be wrong.
E.g., in the module it says NACM is not required, but what if some objects
have NACM requirements listed in the Security Considerations section?
That is the RFC section to discuss NACM requirements.


For example, if a module imports ietf-netconf-nacm only for using "node-
instance-identifier" type, it is relatively uninteresting. Otherwise,
implementation of the module may just be out of question.


> to document such a complex and unrelated issue as server conformance
> requirements.
>
>
> > The root of this problem (and design flaw of YANG, IMO) is that import is
> > "overloaded" with two different purposes, one of which effectively requires
> > that
> > the imported module be also implemented, while the other doesn't.
> >
>
> The import-stmt is only used to map a local prefix to an external module.

But one thing is using a prefix for accessing top-level types and groupings
(i.e. stuff in YANG modules), and another thing is accessing schema nodes, which
have to be present in the schema tree. In complicated data models, it is not
exactly easy to figure out all these dependencies.


I do not agree these are different things.
In both cases the prefix is used to determine the imported module that contains the identifier.


So maybe what is really overloaded are the namespace prefixes: they are used for
addressing YANG modules, schema nodes and instances (in XPath).

Lada


Andy
 

> This proposal to add conformance info the the import-stmt would overload it
> with
> another purpose.
>
> Not even a typedef is easy to classify  (e.g., leafref requires implementation
> of a data node).
> I certainly agree that YANG conformance is poorly specified, poorly
> understood, and
> in real need of improvement. Likewise, the import-stmt is also in need of some
> improvement
> since import-by-exact-revision is (and has always been) poorly designed.
>
>
> > Lada
> >
> > > Balazs
>
> Andy
>
> 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 2:38 PM
> > > To: Balázs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>
> > > Cc: andy@yumaworks.com; lhotka@nic.cz; netmod@ietf.org
> > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a module is
> > needed as
> > > import-only or as implemented
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > I agree w/ Andy and others that we should not add this to the import's
> > > description.  I don't think this kind of conformance text belongs to the
> > > import's description.  If you think it is important to state this, the
> > best
> > > place is probably as plain text in the document itself.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > /martin
> > >
> > >
> > > Balázs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel=40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
> > > > As a draft author who was asked to add text about the imports IMHO
> > > >
> > > > *   it would be easy for me to remove the description from the import.
> > > > Actually I really just want to know what is acceptable to the group, so
> > I
> > > > can proceed
> > > > *   I also think that adding this text is in most cases easy and it does
> > not
> > > > need updates later.
> > > > *   The rules in some cases might not be trivial.
> > > >
> > > > *   Imported YAMs need to be implemented if
> > > >
> > > > *   Imported parts are included in Xpath (augment, when, must, require-
> > > > instance)
> > > >
> > > > *   Imported YAMs do not need to be implemented if only the following
> > are
> > > > used
> > > >
> > > > *   Types
> > > > *   Features
> > > > *   extensions
> > > >
> > > > *   Ambiguous if
> > > >
> > > > *   groupings are used
> > > > *   if the dependency is not formally defined by YANG, but functionally
> > > > needed. (E.g. notification-capabilities does not formally need YANG-
> > > > Push
> > to
> > > > be implemented, however there is no sense in defining capabilities if
> > YANG-
> > > > Push is itself not implemented.)
> > > > *   deviation ?
> > > > *   other cases ?
> > > >
> > > > Regards Balazs
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Andy Bierman
> > > > Sent: 2019. december 19., csütörtök 17:23
> > > > To: Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz>
> > > > Cc: NetMod WG <netmod@ietf.org>
> > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a module is
> > > > needed as import-only or as implemented
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 8:00 AM Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz <mailto:
> > > > lhotka@nic.cz> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 2019-12-19 at 07:52 +0000, Schönwälder, Jürgen wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 08:23:27AM +0100, Ladislav Lhotka wrote:
> > > > > > I don't see how YANG syntax defines this. If a module imports
> > > > > > ietf-netconf- acm, it could be because
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - it just uses a typedef, such as "node-instance-identifier", and
> > then
> > > > > >   ietf-netconf-acm needn't be implemented (but can be),
> > > > > >
> > > > > > or
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - it augments ietf-netconf-acm, which makes sense only if the latter
> > > > > >   module is implemented.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It it the YANG library that specifies whether a module is
> > > > > > implemented or not, but the "import" statement itself doesn't tell
> > you
> > > > > > anything.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Can we not assume that an implementor will figure out the difference?
> > > >
> > > > An implementor should be able to figure it out, but other potential
> > > > module users may not. For example, if somebody is evaluating whether
> > > > to use a module for their device or not, it is important to know that
> > > > NACM has to be implemented (or not).
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > You seem to be talking about a new conformance documentation procedure
> > > >
> > > > that attempts to solve the problem "to use modules A, B, and C
> > > > together
> > > >
> > > > to achieve some functionality X, all these conditions need to be met"..
> > > >
> > > > (Sounds more like a problem for YANG Packages to solve)
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > IMO this is a much harder problem than something that can be solved
> > > >
> > > > with extra description-stmt text. The writer is likely to get it wrong
> > > > or not
> > > >
> > > > keep it up to date, so a tool to analyze the file seems like a better
> > > > solution.
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > Lada
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > Andy
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Or someone writes a pyang plugin to determine from the schema tree
> > > > > the kind of imports there are (for a given set of features).
> > > > >
> > > > > /js
> > > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Ladislav Lhotka
> > > > Head, CZ.NIC Labs
> > > > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > netmod mailing list
> > > > netmod@ietf.org <mailto:netmod@ietf.org>
> > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod
> > > >
--
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Whoops, I had missed this; luckily Rob is on the ball and reminded me / pointed this out. I have just requested IETF LC. W > > Thanks, > Rob > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Qin Wu > > Sent: 26 February 2020 12:28 > > To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) ; netmod@ietf.org > > Subject: RE: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-13.txt > > > > -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- > > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Rob Wilton (rwilton) [mailto:rwilton@cisco= .com] > > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B42=E6=9C=8826=E6=97= =A5 18:03 > > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Qin Wu ; netmod@ietf.o= rg > > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: RE: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-1= 3.txt > > > > Hi Qin, > > > > Please see inline ... > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Qin Wu > > > Sent: 26 February 2020 01:15 > > > To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) ; netmod@ietf.org > > > Subject: RE: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-13.txt > > > > > > Hi, Rob: > > > -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- > > > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Rob Wilton (rwilton) [mailto:rwilton@cis= co.com] > > > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B42=E6=9C=8826=E6=97= =A5 2:02 > > > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Qin Wu ; netmod@ietf= .org > > > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: RE: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default= -13.txt > > > > > > Hi Qin, > > > > > > I think that you may have accidentally removed the RFC editor > > > instructions in the YANG module that presumably we want to still keep= ? > > > > > > // RFC Ed.: update the date below with the date of RFC > > publication > > > // and remove this note. > > > // RFC Ed.: replace XXXX with actual RFC number and remove > > > this > > > // note. > > > [Qin]: My understanding is RFC Note is used to send a note to RFC > > > Editor, after RFC Editor take action, the RFC Editor note should go > > > away and will not stay in the YANG module any more. > > > What do you suggest? Don't include "and remove this note" in the RFC > > > Editor note? > > [RW] > > Apologies, I had read the diff the wrong way round. Your instruction h= ere > > is fine, and no further change is required. > > [Qin]: Good. > > > > > > > > For the update to the security section, my concern wasn't so much > > > about no longer being able to access a private key, but more that a > > > client cannot rely on any private data being unrecoverable after the > > factory-reset RPC. > > > i.e. they can't just use the factory-reset RPC and then sell the > > > device on ebay, with the assumption that all private data has been > > > properly cleansed. > > > > > > OLD: > > > > > > > > > The non-volatile storage is expected to be wiped clean and res= et > > > back > > > to the factory default state, but there is no guarantee that t= he > > > data > > > is wiped according to any particular data cleansing standard, = and > > > the > > > owner of the device MUST NOT rely on any temporary data (e.g., > > > including private keys) for recovery after the factory-reset R= PC > > > has > > > been invoked. > > > > > > NEW: > > > > > > > > > The non-volatile storage is expected to be wiped clean and res= et > > > back > > > to the factory default state, but there is no guarantee that t= he > > > data > > > is wiped according to any particular data cleansing standard, = and > > > the > > > owner of the device MUST NOT rely on any sensitive data (e.g., > > > private keys) being forensically unrecoverable from the device= 's > > > non-volatile storage after a factory-reset RPC has been > > invoked. > > > > > > [Qin]: I am not lawyer, when you use the word "forensically". But the > > > "factory-reset" RPC operation has been restricted by using the > > > "default- deny-all" access control defined in RFC8341. I am not sure > > > any end user can take advantage of factory-reset RPC as the client. > > > Let me know if my understanding is correct. > > > > > > > Your current text says, "users need to be aware that private keys might > > not be recoverable after a factory-reset RPC". But this isn't a securi= ty > > consideration, this is just an inconvenience, and I believe the text is > > section 2 is sufficient. > > > > My concern is entirely the other way around, i.e. "users need to be awa= re > > that private information might still be recoverable after a factory-res= et > > RPC", because a factory-reset RPC does not guarantee that it won't be. > > Section 2 recommends that security sensitive data be overwritten with 0= 's, > > but this is only a SHOULD, and writing 0's doesn't meet the standard > > industry requirements of ensuring that the data won't be subsequently > > recoverable. > > > > When electronic equipment reaches the end of its useful life then norma= lly > > the company will ensure that all private data is destroyed from any med= ia > > before it can be resold. E.g. in the US this might be done to the DoD > > 5220.22 standard. > > > > I don't want clients using the factory-reset RPC to think that it is > > sufficient for them to avoid properly wiping any non-volatile storage. > > > > Does that help clarify the security concern that I'm asking you to plea= se > > address? > > > > [Qin]: Thanks for your clarification, the text you suggest seems > > reasonable to me now, thanks. > > Thanks, > > Rob > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: netmod On Behalf Of Qin Wu > > > > Sent: 25 February 2020 12:39 > > > > To: netmod@ietf.org > > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] I-D Action: > > > > draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-13.txt > > > > > > > > v-13 is posted, the diff is: > > > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-netmod-factory-defau= lt- > > > > 13 > > > > Thanks Rob for valuable review. > > > > > > > > -Qin > > > > -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- > > > > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: I-D-Announce [mailto:i-d-announce-boun= ces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 > > > internet- > > > > drafts@ietf.org > > > > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B42=E6=9C=8825=E6= =97=A5 20:36 > > > > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: i-d-announce@ietf.org > > > > =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: netmod@ietf.org > > > > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-1= 3.txt > > > > > > > > > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > > > > directories. > > > > This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. > > > > > > > > Title : A YANG Data Model for Factory Default > > Settings > > > > Authors : Qin Wu > > > > Balazs Lengyel > > > > Ye Niu > > > > Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-13.txt > > > > Pages : 12 > > > > Date : 2020-02-25 > > > > > > > > Abstract: > > > > This document defines a YANG data model to allow clients to rese= t a > > > > server back to its factory default condition. It also defines a > > > > "factory-default" datastore to allow clients to read the factory > > > > default configuration for the device. > > > > > > > > The YANG data model in this document conforms to the Network > > > > Management Datastore Architecture (NMDA) defined in RFC 8342. > > > > > > > > > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default/ > > > > > > > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-13 > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-def= a > > > > ul > > > > t-13 > > > > > > > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > > > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-netmod-factory-defau= lt- > > > > 13 > > > > > > > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > > > > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at > > > > tools.ietf.org. > > > > > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > > > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > I-D-Announce mailing list > > > > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > > > > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or > > > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > netmod mailing list > > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod --=20 I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf From nobody Mon Mar 2 09:44:54 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA6533A0D86; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 09:44:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.119.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk CC: netmod@ietf.org, warren@kumari.net, netmod-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default@ietf.org, Kent Watsen , kent+ietf@watsen.net Reply-To: last-call@ietf.org Sender: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <158317109386.27365.12106933566899901388@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2020 09:44:53 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] Last Call: (A YANG Data Model for Factory Default Settings) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2020 17:44:54 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Network Modeling WG (netmod) to consider the following document: - 'A YANG Data Model for Factory Default Settings' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the last-call@ietf.org mailing lists by 2020-03-16. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Note: Warren Kumari is officially the Responsible AD, but is simply acting as a proxy for Rob Wilton, the incoming Management AD. Abstract This document defines a YANG data model to allow clients to reset a server back to its factory default condition. It also defines a "factory-default" datastore to allow clients to read the factory default configuration for the device. The YANG data model in this document conforms to the Network Management Datastore Architecture (NMDA) defined in RFC 8342. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. 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The associated document. We could and should insert it into the RFC > text. > Drawback: Somehow the YANG module is looked at independently of the > associated document > 2. import-stmt: people on the list apparently don't like this > 3. module description? What harm would it do if the description could > contain this info? > > IMO it makes more sense to summarize the imported modules that need to be implemented and not mention the ones that are not required. The module description-stmt is better than each import. (YANG 1.1 allows the same module to be imported multiple times). > Regards, Benoit > Andy > > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 5:44 AM Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > >> On Wed, 2020-01-08 at 04:49 -0800, Andy Bierman wrote: >> > >> > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 1:11 AM Ladislav Lhotka wrote: >> > > On Tue, 2020-01-07 at 14:29 +0000, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel wrote: >> > > > If that is the consensus, I can remove the description statements, >> no big >> > > > deal. (I actually like the statements, but they are not important >> for this >> > > > draft) >> > > >> > > Of course, it is not that important, but I don't see how this >> information >> > > could >> > > be harmful, if it is included with the import. In my view, it is not >> meant >> > > as a >> > > conformance requirement but just an info from the module author abou= t >> the >> > > meaning of the import statement. >> > > >> > >> > It adds a lot of extra work but more importantly the import-stmt is th= e >> wrong >> > place >> >> What work do you mean? I thought that it would be just info for potentia= l >> developers (or their managers) that implementing the module requires >> implementing other modules and functionality - or not. >> >> > > It is duplication because the individual data-def statements should have > any notes > about implementation requirements. The duplication may even be wrong. > E.g., in the module it says NACM is not required, but what if some object= s > have NACM requirements listed in the Security Considerations section? > That is the RFC section to discuss NACM requirements. > > > For example, if a module imports ietf-netconf-nacm only for using "node- >> instance-identifier" type, it is relatively uninteresting. Otherwise, >> implementation of the module may just be out of question. >> >> >> > to document such a complex and unrelated issue as server conformance >> > requirements. >> > >> > >> > > The root of this problem (and design flaw of YANG, IMO) is that >> import is >> > > "overloaded" with two different purposes, one of which effectively >> requires >> > > that >> > > the imported module be also implemented, while the other doesn't. >> > > >> > >> > The import-stmt is only used to map a local prefix to an external >> module. >> >> But one thing is using a prefix for accessing top-level types and >> groupings >> (i.e. stuff in YANG modules), and another thing is accessing schema >> nodes, which >> have to be present in the schema tree. In complicated data models, it is >> not >> exactly easy to figure out all these dependencies. >> >> > I do not agree these are different things. > In both cases the prefix is used to determine the imported module that > contains the identifier. > > > So maybe what is really overloaded are the namespace prefixes: they are >> used for >> addressing YANG modules, schema nodes and instances (in XPath). >> >> Lada >> > > > Andy > > >> >> > This proposal to add conformance info the the import-stmt would >> overload it >> > with >> > another purpose. >> > >> > Not even a typedef is easy to classify (e.g., leafref requires >> implementation >> > of a data node). >> > I certainly agree that YANG conformance is poorly specified, poorly >> > understood, and >> > in real need of improvement. Likewise, the import-stmt is also in need >> of some >> > improvement >> > since import-by-exact-revision is (and has always been) poorly designe= d. >> > >> > >> > > Lada >> > > >> > > > Balazs >> > >> > Andy >> > >> > >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > From: Martin Bjorklund >> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 2:38 PM >> > > > To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel >> > > > Cc: andy@yumaworks.com; lhotka@nic.cz; netmod@ietf.org >> > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a module = is >> > > needed as >> > > > import-only or as implemented >> > > > >> > > > Hi >> > > > >> > > > I agree w/ Andy and others that we should not add this to the >> import's >> > > > description. I don't think this kind of conformance text belongs >> to the >> > > > import's description. If you think it is important to state this, >> the >> > > best >> > > > place is probably as plain text in the document itself. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > /martin >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel >> wrote: >> > > > > As a draft author who was asked to add text about the imports IM= HO >> > > > > >> > > > > * it would be easy for me to remove the description from the >> import. >> > > > > Actually I really just want to know what is acceptable to the >> group, so >> > > I >> > > > > can proceed >> > > > > * I also think that adding this text is in most cases easy and >> it does >> > > not >> > > > > need updates later. >> > > > > * The rules in some cases might not be trivial. >> > > > > >> > > > > * Imported YAMs need to be implemented if >> > > > > >> > > > > * Imported parts are included in Xpath (augment, when, must, >> require- >> > > > > instance) >> > > > > >> > > > > * Imported YAMs do not need to be implemented if only the >> following >> > > are >> > > > > used >> > > > > >> > > > > * Types >> > > > > * Features >> > > > > * extensions >> > > > > >> > > > > * Ambiguous if >> > > > > >> > > > > * groupings are used >> > > > > * if the dependency is not formally defined by YANG, but >> functionally >> > > > > needed. (E.g. notification-capabilities does not formally need >> YANG- >> > > > > Push >> > > to >> > > > > be implemented, however there is no sense in defining >> capabilities if >> > > YANG- >> > > > > Push is itself not implemented.) >> > > > > * deviation ? >> > > > > * other cases ? >> > > > > >> > > > > Regards Balazs >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > From: netmod On Behalf Of Andy Bierman >> > > > > Sent: 2019. december 19., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 17:23 >> > > > > To: Ladislav Lhotka >> > > > > Cc: NetMod WG >> > > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a modul= e >> is >> > > > > needed as import-only or as implemented >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 8:00 AM Ladislav Lhotka > > > > > > lhotka@nic.cz> > wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > On Thu, 2019-12-19 at 07:52 +0000, Sch=C3=B6nw=C3=A4lder, J=C3= =BCrgen wrote: >> > > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 08:23:27AM +0100, Ladislav Lhotka wrot= e: >> > > > > > > I don't see how YANG syntax defines this. If a module import= s >> > > > > > > ietf-netconf- acm, it could be because >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > - it just uses a typedef, such as "node-instance-identifier"= , >> and >> > > then >> > > > > > > ietf-netconf-acm needn't be implemented (but can be), >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > or >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > - it augments ietf-netconf-acm, which makes sense only if th= e >> latter >> > > > > > > module is implemented. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > It it the YANG library that specifies whether a module is >> > > > > > > implemented or not, but the "import" statement itself doesn'= t >> tell >> > > you >> > > > > > > anything. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Can we not assume that an implementor will figure out the >> difference? >> > > > > >> > > > > An implementor should be able to figure it out, but other >> potential >> > > > > module users may not. For example, if somebody is evaluating >> whether >> > > > > to use a module for their device or not, it is important to know >> that >> > > > > NACM has to be implemented (or not). >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > You seem to be talking about a new conformance documentation >> procedure >> > > > > >> > > > > that attempts to solve the problem "to use modules A, B, and C >> > > > > together >> > > > > >> > > > > to achieve some functionality X, all these conditions need to be >> met".. >> > > > > >> > > > > (Sounds more like a problem for YANG Packages to solve) >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > IMO this is a much harder problem than something that can be >> solved >> > > > > >> > > > > with extra description-stmt text. The writer is likely to get it >> wrong >> > > > > or not >> > > > > >> > > > > keep it up to date, so a tool to analyze the file seems like a >> better >> > > > > solution. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Lada >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Andy >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Or someone writes a pyang plugin to determine from the schema >> tree >> > > > > > the kind of imports there are (for a given set of features). >> > > > > > >> > > > > > /js >> > > > > > >> > > > > -- >> > > > > Ladislav Lhotka >> > > > > Head, CZ.NIC Labs >> > > > > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 >> > > > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > netmod mailing list >> > > > > netmod@ietf.org >> > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >> > > > > >> -- >> Ladislav Lhotka >> Head, CZ.NIC Labs >> PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> netmod mailing list >> netmod@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >> > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing listnetmod@ietf.orghttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/n= etmod > > > --000000000000ba55c1059fe2da44 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 8:57 AM Benoit= Claise <bclaise@cisco.com> = wrote:
=20 =20 =20
Sorry to resurrect this old email thread.
To me, it's an important piece of information to know that = ietf-netconf-acm is optional to implement.

It seems that we have 3 potential places where to insert this information
1. The associated document. We could and should insert it into the RFC text.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Drawback: Somehow the YANG module is looked at i= ndependently of the associated document
2. import-stmt: people on the list apparently don't like this
3. module description? What harm would it do if the description could contain this info?


IMO it make= s more sense to summarize the imported modules that need to be implemented<= /div>
and not mention the ones that are not required.=C2=A0 The module = description-stmt is better
than each import. (YANG 1.1 allows the= same module to be imported multiple times).
=C2=A0
Regards, Benoit

<= div>Andy
=C2=A0
=20


On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 5:44 AM Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz> wrote:
On Wed, 2020-01= -08 at 04:49 -0800, Andy Bierman wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 1:11 AM Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz> wrote: > > On Tue, 2020-01-07 at 14:29 +0000, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengye= l wrote:
> > > If that is the consensus, I can remove the description statements, no big
> > > deal. (I actually like the statements, but they are not important for this
> > > draft)
> >
> > Of course, it is not that important, but I don't see how this information
> > could
> > be harmful, if it is included with the import. In my view, it is not meant
> > as a
> > conformance requirement but just an info from the module author about the
> > meaning of the import statement.
> >
>
> It adds a lot of extra work but more importantly the import-stmt is the wrong
> place

What work do you mean? I thought that it would be just info for potential
developers (or their managers) that implementing the module requires
implementing other modules and functionality - or not.



It is duplication because=C2=A0the individual data-def statements should have any notes
about implementation requirements. The duplication may even be wrong.
E.g., in the module it says NACM is not required, but what if some objects
have NACM requirements listed in the Security Considerations section?
That is the RFC section to discuss NACM requirements.


For example, if a module imports ietf-netconf-nacm only for using "node-
instance-identifier" type, it is relatively uninteresting. Otherwise,
implementation of the module may just be out of question.


> to document such a complex and unrelated issue as server conformance
> requirements.
>
>
> > The root of this problem (and design flaw of YANG, IMO) is that import is
> > "overloaded" with two different purposes, o= ne of which effectively requires
> > that
> > the imported module be also implemented, while the other doesn't.
> >
>
> The import-stmt is only used to map a local prefix to an external module.

But one thing is using a prefix for accessing top-level types and groupings
(i.e. stuff in YANG modules), and another thing is accessing schema nodes, which
have to be present in the schema tree. In complicated data models, it is not
exactly easy to figure out all these dependencies.


I do not agree these are different things.
In both cases the prefix is used to determine the imported module that contains the identifier.


So maybe what is really overloaded are the namespace prefixes: they are used for
addressing YANG modules, schema nodes and instances (in XPath).

Lada


Andy
=C2=A0

> This proposal to add conformance info the the import-stmt would overload it
> with
> another purpose.
>
> Not even a typedef is easy to classify=C2=A0 (e.g., leafre= f requires implementation
> of a data node).
> I certainly agree that YANG conformance is poorly specified, poorly
> understood, and
> in real need of improvement. Likewise, the import-stmt is also in need of some
> improvement
> since import-by-exact-revision is (and has always been) poorly designed.
>
>
> > Lada
> >
> > > Balazs
>
> Andy
>
>=C2=A0
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 2:38 PM
> > > To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>
> > > Cc: andy@yumaworks.com; lhotka@nic.c= z; netmod@ietf.org=
> > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a module is
> > needed as
> > > import-only or as implemented
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > I agree w/ Andy and others that we should not add this to the import's
> > > description.=C2=A0 I don't think this kind o= f conformance text belongs to the
> > > import's description.=C2=A0 If you think it = is important to state this, the
> > best
> > > place is probably as plain text in the document itself.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > /martin
> > >
> > >
> > > Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel=3D40ericsson.com@= dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
> > > > As a draft author who was asked to add text about the imports IMHO
> > > >
> > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0it would be easy for me to re= move the description from the import.
> > > > Actually I really just want to know what is acceptable to the group, so
> > I
> > > > can proceed
> > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0I also think that adding this= text is in most cases easy and it does
> > not
> > > > need updates later.
> > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0The rules in some cases might= not be trivial.
> > > >
> > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0Imported YAMs need to be impl= emented if
> > > >
> > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0Imported parts are included i= n Xpath (augment, when, must, require-
> > > > instance)
> > > >
> > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0Imported YAMs do not need to = be implemented if only the following
> > are
> > > > used
> > > >
> > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0Types
> > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0Features
> > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0extensions
> > > >
> > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0Ambiguous if
> > > >
> > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0groupings are used
> > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0if the dependency is not form= ally defined by YANG, but functionally
> > > > needed. (E.g. notification-capabilities does not formally need YANG-
> > > > Push
> > to
> > > > be implemented, however there is no sense in defining capabilities if
> > YANG-
> > > > Push is itself not implemented.)
> > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0deviation ?
> > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0other cases ?
> > > >
> > > > Regards Balazs
> > > >
> > > >=C2=A0
> > > >
> > > > From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Andy Bierman
> > > > Sent: 2019. december 19., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt= =C3=B6k 17:23
> > > > To: Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz>
> > > > Cc: NetMod WG <netmod@ietf.org>
> > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a module is
> > > > needed as import-only or as implemented
> > > >
> > > >=C2=A0
> > > >
> > > >=C2=A0
> > > >
> > > >=C2=A0
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 8:00 AM Ladislav Lhotka <l= hotka@nic.cz <mailto:
> > > > lhotka@nic.cz> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 2019-12-19 at 07:52 +0000, Sch=C3=B6nw=C3=A4lder, J=C3=BCrgen wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 08:23:27AM +0100, Ladislav Lhotka wrote:
> > > > > > I don't see how YANG syntax defines this. If a module imports
> > > > > > ietf-netconf- acm, it could be because
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - it just uses a typedef, such as "node-instance-identifier", and
> > then
> > > > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0ietf-netconf-acm need= n't be implemented (but can be),
> > > > > >
> > > > > > or
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - it augments ietf-netconf-acm, which makes sense only if the latter
> > > > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0module is implemented= .
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It it the YANG library that specifies whether a module is
> > > > > > implemented or not, but the "import" statement itself doesn't tell
> > you
> > > > > > anything.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Can we not assume that an implementor will figure out the difference?
> > > >
> > > > An implementor should be able to figure it out, but other potential
> > > > module users may not. For example, if somebody is evaluating whether
> > > > to use a module for their device or not, it is important to know that
> > > > NACM has to be implemented (or not).
> > > >
> > > >=C2=A0
> > > >
> > > > You seem to be talking about a new conformance documentation procedure
> > > >
> > > > that attempts to solve the problem "to use modules A, B, and C
> > > > together
> > > >
> > > > to achieve some functionality X, all these conditions need to be met"..
> > > >
> > > > (Sounds more like a problem for YANG Packages to solve)
> > > >
> > > >=C2=A0
> > > >
> > > > IMO this is a much harder problem than something that can be solved
> > > >
> > > > with extra description-stmt text. The writer is likely to get it wrong
> > > > or not
> > > >
> > > > keep it up to date, so a tool to analyze the file seems like a better
> > > > solution.
> > > >
> > > >=C2=A0
> > > >
> > > > Lada
> > > >
> > > >=C2=A0
> > > >
> > > >=C2=A0
> > > >
> > > > Andy
> > > >
> > > >=C2=A0
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Or someone writes a pyang plugin to determine from the schema tree
> > > > > the kind of imports there are (for a given set of features).
> > > > >
> > > > > /js
> > > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Ladislav Lhotka
> > > > Head, CZ.NIC Labs
> > > > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > netmod mailing list
> > > > netmod@ietf.org <mailto:netmod@ietf.org>
> > > > https://www.ietf.org/mai= lman/listinfo/netmod
> > > >
--
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--000000000000ba55c1059fe2da44-- From nobody Mon Mar 2 10:23:29 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF9F53A0EBD for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 10:23:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UeXz9pv-htqD for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 10:23:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.nic.cz (lists.nic.cz [217.31.204.67]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E0C83A0EAD for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 10:23:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from birdie (unknown [IPv6:2a01:5e0:29:ffff:8592:b8e4:c3d4:5af6]) by mail.nic.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4D549141855; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 19:23:17 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <6c7419ed4553947cd84930c240a14cf5f91fac11.camel@nic.cz> From: Ladislav Lhotka To: Andy Bierman , Benoit Claise Cc: NETMOD WG Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2020 19:23:16 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <20200107.143818.1928135118621633911.mbj@tail-f.com> <940da771-440b-6e42-eaf7-12bc5626441a@cisco.com> Organization: CZ.NIC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.34.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.101.4 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a module is needed as import-only or as implemented X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2020 18:23:28 -0000 On Mon, 2020-03-02 at 09:52 -0800, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 8:57 AM Benoit Claise wrote: > > Sorry to resurrect this old email thread. > > To me, it's an important piece of information to know that ietf-netconf-acm > > is optional to implement. > > > > It seems that we have 3 potential places where to insert this information > > 1. The associated document. We could and should insert it into the RFC text. > > Drawback: Somehow the YANG module is looked at independently of the > > associated document > > 2. import-stmt: people on the list apparently don't like this > > 3. module description? What harm would it do if the description could > > contain this info? > > > > > > IMO it makes more sense to summarize the imported modules that need to be > implemented > and not mention the ones that are not required. The module description-stmt > is better > than each import. (YANG 1.1 allows the same module to be imported multiple > times). Modules that have to be implemented can be imported only once. Adding this information to the import statement for such modules is IMO more effective than having it in the module description. I don't get how it could become a problem. Lada > > > Regards, Benoit > > > > Andy > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 5:44 AM Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2020-01-08 at 04:49 -0800, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 1:11 AM Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, 2020-01-07 at 14:29 +0000, Balázs Lengyel wrote: > > > > > > > If that is the consensus, I can remove the description statements, > > > > no big > > > > > > > deal. (I actually like the statements, but they are not important > > > > for this > > > > > > > draft) > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, it is not that important, but I don't see how this > > > > information > > > > > > could > > > > > > be harmful, if it is included with the import. In my view, it is not > > > > meant > > > > > > as a > > > > > > conformance requirement but just an info from the module author > > > > about the > > > > > > meaning of the import statement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It adds a lot of extra work but more importantly the import-stmt is > > > > the wrong > > > > > place > > > > > > > > What work do you mean? I thought that it would be just info for > > > > potential > > > > developers (or their managers) that implementing the module requires > > > > implementing other modules and functionality - or not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is duplication because the individual data-def statements should have > > > any notes > > > about implementation requirements. The duplication may even be wrong. > > > E.g., in the module it says NACM is not required, but what if some objects > > > have NACM requirements listed in the Security Considerations section? > > > That is the RFC section to discuss NACM requirements. > > > > > > > > > > For example, if a module imports ietf-netconf-nacm only for using "node- > > > > instance-identifier" type, it is relatively uninteresting. Otherwise, > > > > implementation of the module may just be out of question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > to document such a complex and unrelated issue as server conformance > > > > > requirements. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root of this problem (and design flaw of YANG, IMO) is that > > > > import is > > > > > > "overloaded" with two different purposes, one of which effectively > > > > requires > > > > > > that > > > > > > the imported module be also implemented, while the other doesn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The import-stmt is only used to map a local prefix to an external > > > > module. > > > > > > > > But one thing is using a prefix for accessing top-level types and > > > > groupings > > > > (i.e. stuff in YANG modules), and another thing is accessing schema > > > > nodes, which > > > > have to be present in the schema tree. In complicated data models, it is > > > > not > > > > exactly easy to figure out all these dependencies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not agree these are different things. > > > In both cases the prefix is used to determine the imported module that > > > contains the identifier. > > > > > > > > > > So maybe what is really overloaded are the namespace prefixes: they are > > > > used for > > > > addressing YANG modules, schema nodes and instances (in XPath). > > > > > > > > Lada > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > This proposal to add conformance info the the import-stmt would > > > > overload it > > > > > with > > > > > another purpose. > > > > > > > > > > Not even a typedef is easy to classify (e.g., leafref requires > > > > implementation > > > > > of a data node). > > > > > I certainly agree that YANG conformance is poorly specified, poorly > > > > > understood, and > > > > > in real need of improvement. Likewise, the import-stmt is also in need > > > > of some > > > > > improvement > > > > > since import-by-exact-revision is (and has always been) poorly > > > > designed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lada > > > > > > > > > > > > > Balazs > > > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Martin Bjorklund > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 2:38 PM > > > > > > > To: Balázs Lengyel > > > > > > > Cc: andy@yumaworks.com; lhotka@nic.cz; netmod@ietf.org > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a module > > > > is > > > > > > needed as > > > > > > > import-only or as implemented > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree w/ Andy and others that we should not add this to the > > > > import's > > > > > > > description. I don't think this kind of conformance text belongs > > > > to the > > > > > > > import's description. If you think it is important to state this, > > > > the > > > > > > best > > > > > > > place is probably as plain text in the document itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Balázs Lengyel > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > As a draft author who was asked to add text about the imports > > > > IMHO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * it would be easy for me to remove the description from the > > > > import. > > > > > > > > Actually I really just want to know what is acceptable to the > > > > group, so > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > can proceed > > > > > > > > * I also think that adding this text is in most cases easy and > > > > it does > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > need updates later. > > > > > > > > * The rules in some cases might not be trivial. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Imported YAMs need to be implemented if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Imported parts are included in Xpath (augment, when, must, > > > > require- > > > > > > > > instance) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Imported YAMs do not need to be implemented if only the > > > > following > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Types > > > > > > > > * Features > > > > > > > > * extensions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Ambiguous if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * groupings are used > > > > > > > > * if the dependency is not formally defined by YANG, but > > > > functionally > > > > > > > > needed. (E.g. notification-capabilities does not formally need > > > > YANG- > > > > > > > > Push > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > be implemented, however there is no sense in defining > > > > capabilities if > > > > > > YANG- > > > > > > > > Push is itself not implemented.) > > > > > > > > * deviation ? > > > > > > > > * other cases ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards Balazs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: netmod On Behalf Of Andy Bierman > > > > > > > > Sent: 2019. december 19., csütörtök 17:23 > > > > > > > > To: Ladislav Lhotka > > > > > > > > Cc: NetMod WG > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a > > > > module is > > > > > > > > needed as import-only or as implemented > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 8:00 AM Ladislav Lhotka > > > > > > > > > > lhotka@nic.cz> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2019-12-19 at 07:52 +0000, Schönwälder, Jürgen wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 08:23:27AM +0100, Ladislav Lhotka > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I don't see how YANG syntax defines this. If a module > > > > imports > > > > > > > > > > ietf-netconf- acm, it could be because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - it just uses a typedef, such as "node-instance- > > > > identifier", and > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > ietf-netconf-acm needn't be implemented (but can be), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - it augments ietf-netconf-acm, which makes sense only if > > > > the latter > > > > > > > > > > module is implemented. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It it the YANG library that specifies whether a module is > > > > > > > > > > implemented or not, but the "import" statement itself > > > > doesn't tell > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can we not assume that an implementor will figure out the > > > > difference? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An implementor should be able to figure it out, but other > > > > potential > > > > > > > > module users may not. For example, if somebody is evaluating > > > > whether > > > > > > > > to use a module for their device or not, it is important to know > > > > that > > > > > > > > NACM has to be implemented (or not). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to be talking about a new conformance documentation > > > > procedure > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that attempts to solve the problem "to use modules A, B, and C > > > > > > > > together > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to achieve some functionality X, all these conditions need to be > > > > met".. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Sounds more like a problem for YANG Packages to solve) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO this is a much harder problem than something that can be > > > > solved > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with extra description-stmt text. The writer is likely to get it > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > or not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keep it up to date, so a tool to analyze the file seems like a > > > > better > > > > > > > > solution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or someone writes a pyang plugin to determine from the schema > > > > tree > > > > > > > > > the kind of imports there are (for a given set of features). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /js > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Ladislav Lhotka > > > > > > > > Head, CZ.NIC Labs > > > > > > > > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > netmod mailing list > > > > > > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Ladislav Lhotka > > > > Head, CZ.NIC Labs > > > > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > netmod mailing list > > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > netmod mailing list > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > -- Ladislav Lhotka Head, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 From nobody Mon Mar 2 10:37:23 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A0E63A0DF9 for ; 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Mon, 02 Mar 2020 10:37:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200107.143818.1928135118621633911.mbj@tail-f.com> <940da771-440b-6e42-eaf7-12bc5626441a@cisco.com> <6c7419ed4553947cd84930c240a14cf5f91fac11.camel@nic.cz> In-Reply-To: <6c7419ed4553947cd84930c240a14cf5f91fac11.camel@nic.cz> From: Andy Bierman Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 10:37:06 -0800 Message-ID: To: Ladislav Lhotka Cc: Benoit Claise , NETMOD WG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000008cd45059fe37ace" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a module is needed as import-only or as implemented X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2020 18:37:22 -0000 --00000000000008cd45059fe37ace Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:23 AM Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > On Mon, 2020-03-02 at 09:52 -0800, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 8:57 AM Benoit Claise wrote: > > > Sorry to resurrect this old email thread. > > > To me, it's an important piece of information to know that > ietf-netconf-acm > > > is optional to implement. > > > > > > It seems that we have 3 potential places where to insert this > information > > > 1. The associated document. We could and should insert it into the RF= C > text. > > > Drawback: Somehow the YANG module is looked at independently of t= he > > > associated document > > > 2. import-stmt: people on the list apparently don't like this > > > 3. module description? What harm would it do if the description could > > > contain this info? > > > > > > > > > > IMO it makes more sense to summarize the imported modules that need to = be > > implemented > > and not mention the ones that are not required. The module > description-stmt > > is better > > than each import. (YANG 1.1 allows the same module to be imported > multiple > > times). > > Modules that have to be implemented can be imported only once. Adding thi= s > information to the import statement for such modules is IMO more effectiv= e > than > having it in the module description. I don't get how it could become a > problem. > > I do not think this info helps very much. It is duplicate info. It should be in the description-stmts for the objects defined in the module= . It is also self-evident (and defined in YANG) that if you augment some external node you have to implement the augmented module. This is the classic definition of a CLR. Lada > Andy > > > > > Regards, Benoit > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 5:44 AM Ladislav Lhotka > wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 2020-01-08 at 04:49 -0800, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 1:11 AM Ladislav Lhotka > wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, 2020-01-07 at 14:29 +0000, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel wrote: > > > > > > > > If that is the consensus, I can remove the description > statements, > > > > > no big > > > > > > > > deal. (I actually like the statements, but they are not > important > > > > > for this > > > > > > > > draft) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, it is not that important, but I don't see how this > > > > > information > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > be harmful, if it is included with the import. In my view, it > is not > > > > > meant > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > conformance requirement but just an info from the module auth= or > > > > > about the > > > > > > > meaning of the import statement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It adds a lot of extra work but more importantly the import-stm= t > is > > > > > the wrong > > > > > > place > > > > > > > > > > What work do you mean? I thought that it would be just info for > > > > > potential > > > > > developers (or their managers) that implementing the module > requires > > > > > implementing other modules and functionality - or not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is duplication because the individual data-def statements should > have > > > > any notes > > > > about implementation requirements. The duplication may even be wron= g. > > > > E.g., in the module it says NACM is not required, but what if some > objects > > > > have NACM requirements listed in the Security Considerations sectio= n? > > > > That is the RFC section to discuss NACM requirements. > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, if a module imports ietf-netconf-nacm only for using > "node- > > > > > instance-identifier" type, it is relatively uninteresting. > Otherwise, > > > > > implementation of the module may just be out of question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to document such a complex and unrelated issue as server > conformance > > > > > > requirements. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root of this problem (and design flaw of YANG, IMO) is th= at > > > > > import is > > > > > > > "overloaded" with two different purposes, one of which > effectively > > > > > requires > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > the imported module be also implemented, while the other > doesn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The import-stmt is only used to map a local prefix to an extern= al > > > > > module. > > > > > > > > > > But one thing is using a prefix for accessing top-level types and > > > > > groupings > > > > > (i.e. stuff in YANG modules), and another thing is accessing sche= ma > > > > > nodes, which > > > > > have to be present in the schema tree. In complicated data models= , > it is > > > > > not > > > > > exactly easy to figure out all these dependencies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not agree these are different things. > > > > In both cases the prefix is used to determine the imported module > that > > > > contains the identifier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > So maybe what is really overloaded are the namespace prefixes: > they are > > > > > used for > > > > > addressing YANG modules, schema nodes and instances (in XPath). > > > > > > > > > > Lada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > This proposal to add conformance info the the import-stmt would > > > > > overload it > > > > > > with > > > > > > another purpose. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not even a typedef is easy to classify (e.g., leafref requires > > > > > implementation > > > > > > of a data node). > > > > > > I certainly agree that YANG conformance is poorly specified, > poorly > > > > > > understood, and > > > > > > in real need of improvement. Likewise, the import-stmt is also > in need > > > > > of some > > > > > > improvement > > > > > > since import-by-exact-revision is (and has always been) poorly > > > > > designed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Balazs > > > > > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Martin Bjorklund > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 2:38 PM > > > > > > > > To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel > > > > > > > > Cc: andy@yumaworks.com; lhotka@nic.cz; netmod@ietf.org > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a > module > > > > > is > > > > > > > needed as > > > > > > > > import-only or as implemented > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree w/ Andy and others that we should not add this to t= he > > > > > import's > > > > > > > > description. I don't think this kind of conformance text > belongs > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > import's description. If you think it is important to stat= e > this, > > > > > the > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > place is probably as plain text in the document itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > As a draft author who was asked to add text about the > imports > > > > > IMHO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * it would be easy for me to remove the description fro= m > the > > > > > import. > > > > > > > > > Actually I really just want to know what is acceptable to > the > > > > > group, so > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > can proceed > > > > > > > > > * I also think that adding this text is in most cases > easy and > > > > > it does > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > need updates later. > > > > > > > > > * The rules in some cases might not be trivial. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Imported YAMs need to be implemented if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Imported parts are included in Xpath (augment, when, > must, > > > > > require- > > > > > > > > > instance) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Imported YAMs do not need to be implemented if only t= he > > > > > following > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Types > > > > > > > > > * Features > > > > > > > > > * extensions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Ambiguous if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * groupings are used > > > > > > > > > * if the dependency is not formally defined by YANG, bu= t > > > > > functionally > > > > > > > > > needed. (E.g. notification-capabilities does not formally > need > > > > > YANG- > > > > > > > > > Push > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > be implemented, however there is no sense in defining > > > > > capabilities if > > > > > > > YANG- > > > > > > > > > Push is itself not implemented.) > > > > > > > > > * deviation ? > > > > > > > > > * other cases ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards Balazs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: netmod On Behalf Of Andy > Bierman > > > > > > > > > Sent: 2019. december 19., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 17:23 > > > > > > > > > To: Ladislav Lhotka > > > > > > > > > Cc: NetMod WG > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether = a > > > > > module is > > > > > > > > > needed as import-only or as implemented > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 8:00 AM Ladislav Lhotka < > lhotka@nic.cz > > > > > > > > > > > > > lhotka@nic.cz> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2019-12-19 at 07:52 +0000, Sch=C3=B6nw=C3=A4lder,= J=C3=BCrgen > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 08:23:27AM +0100, Ladislav Lhot= ka > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I don't see how YANG syntax defines this. If a module > > > > > imports > > > > > > > > > > > ietf-netconf- acm, it could be because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - it just uses a typedef, such as "node-instance- > > > > > identifier", and > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > ietf-netconf-acm needn't be implemented (but can be= ), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - it augments ietf-netconf-acm, which makes sense onl= y > if > > > > > the latter > > > > > > > > > > > module is implemented. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It it the YANG library that specifies whether a modul= e > is > > > > > > > > > > > implemented or not, but the "import" statement itself > > > > > doesn't tell > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can we not assume that an implementor will figure out t= he > > > > > difference? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An implementor should be able to figure it out, but other > > > > > potential > > > > > > > > > module users may not. For example, if somebody is > evaluating > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > to use a module for their device or not, it is important > to know > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > NACM has to be implemented (or not). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to be talking about a new conformance > documentation > > > > > procedure > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that attempts to solve the problem "to use modules A, B, > and C > > > > > > > > > together > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to achieve some functionality X, all these conditions nee= d > to be > > > > > met".. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Sounds more like a problem for YANG Packages to solve) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO this is a much harder problem than something that can > be > > > > > solved > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with extra description-stmt text. The writer is likely to > get it > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > or not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keep it up to date, so a tool to analyze the file seems > like a > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > solution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or someone writes a pyang plugin to determine from the > schema > > > > > tree > > > > > > > > > > the kind of imports there are (for a given set of > features). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /js > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > Ladislav Lhotka > > > > > > > > > Head, CZ.NIC Labs > > > > > > > > > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > netmod mailing list > > > > > > > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > > > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Ladislav Lhotka > > > > > Head, CZ.NIC Labs > > > > > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > netmod mailing list > > > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > netmod mailing list > > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > -- > Ladislav Lhotka > Head, CZ.NIC Labs > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 > > --00000000000008cd45059fe37ace Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


=
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:23 AM Ladis= lav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz> wrote= :
On Mon, 2020-0= 3-02 at 09:52 -0800, Andy Bierman wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 8:57 AM Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com> wrote:
> > Sorry to resurrect this old email thread.
> > To me, it's an important piece of information to know that ie= tf-netconf-acm
> > is optional to implement.
> >
> > It seems that we have 3 potential places where to insert this inf= ormation
> > 1. The associated document. We could and should insert it into th= e RFC text.
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Drawback: Somehow the YANG module is looked at= independently of the
> > associated document
> > 2. import-stmt: people on the list apparently don't like this=
> > 3. module description? What harm would it do if the description c= ould
> > contain this info?
> >
> >
>
> IMO it makes more sense to summarize the imported modules that need to= be
> implemented
> and not mention the ones that are not required.=C2=A0 The module descr= iption-stmt
> is better
> than each import. (YANG 1.1 allows the same module to be imported mult= iple
> times).

Modules that have to be implemented can be imported only once. Adding this<= br> information to the import statement for such modules is IMO more effective = than
having it in the module description. I don't get how it could become a = problem.


I do not think this info helps very mu= ch. It is duplicate info.
It should be in the description-stmts f= or the objects defined in the module.
It is also self-evident (an= d defined in YANG) that if you augment some external node
you hav= e to implement the augmented module.

=C2=A0This is= the classic definition of a CLR.

Lada

Andy


>=C2=A0
> > Regards, Benoit
> >
>
> Andy
>=C2=A0
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 5:44 AM Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz> wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2020-01-08 at 04:49 -0800, Andy Bierman wrote:<= br> > > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 1:11 AM Ladislav Lhotka <= ;lhotka@nic.cz> w= rote:
> > > > > > On Tue, 2020-01-07 at 14:29 +0000, Bal=C3=A1z= s Lengyel wrote:
> > > > > > > If that is the consensus, I can remove t= he description statements,
> > > > no big
> > > > > > > deal. (I actually like the statements, b= ut they are not important
> > > > for this
> > > > > > > draft)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course, it is not that important, but I do= n't see how this
> > > > information
> > > > > > could
> > > > > > be harmful, if it is included with the import= . In my view, it is not
> > > > meant
> > > > > > as a
> > > > > > conformance requirement but just an info from= the module author
> > > > about the
> > > > > > meaning of the import statement.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It adds a lot of extra work but more importantly t= he import-stmt is
> > > > the wrong
> > > > > place
> > > >
> > > > What work do you mean? I thought that it would be just = info for
> > > > potential
> > > > developers (or their managers) that implementing the mo= dule requires
> > > > implementing other modules and functionality - or not. =
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It is duplication because the individual data-def statements= should have
> > > any notes
> > > about implementation requirements. The duplication may even = be wrong.
> > > E.g., in the module it says NACM is not required, but what i= f some objects
> > > have NACM requirements listed in the Security Considerations= section?
> > > That is the RFC section to discuss NACM requirements.
> > >
> > >
> > > > For example, if a module imports ietf-netconf-nacm only= for using "node-
> > > > instance-identifier" type, it is relatively uninte= resting. Otherwise,
> > > > implementation of the module may just be out of questio= n.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > to document such a complex and unrelated issue as = server conformance
> > > > > requirements.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > The root of this problem (and design flaw of = YANG, IMO) is that
> > > > import is
> > > > > > "overloaded" with two different pur= poses, one of which effectively
> > > > requires
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > the imported module be also implemented, whil= e the other doesn't.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The import-stmt is only used to map a local prefix= to an external
> > > > module.
> > > >
> > > > But one thing is using a prefix for accessing top-level= types and
> > > > groupings
> > > > (i.e. stuff in YANG modules), and another thing is acce= ssing schema
> > > > nodes, which
> > > > have to be present in the schema tree. In complicated d= ata models, it is
> > > > not
> > > > exactly easy to figure out all these dependencies.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > I do not agree these are different things.
> > > In both cases the prefix is used to determine the imported m= odule that
> > > contains the identifier.
> > >
> > >
> > > > So maybe what is really overloaded are the namespace pr= efixes: they are
> > > > used for
> > > > addressing YANG modules, schema nodes and instances (in= XPath).
> > > >
> > > > Lada
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Andy
> > >=C2=A0
> > > > > This proposal to add conformance info the the impo= rt-stmt would
> > > > overload it
> > > > > with
> > > > > another purpose.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not even a typedef is easy to classify=C2=A0 (e.g.= , leafref requires
> > > > implementation
> > > > > of a data node).
> > > > > I certainly agree that YANG conformance is poorly = specified, poorly
> > > > > understood, and
> > > > > in real need of improvement. Likewise, the import-= stmt is also in need
> > > > of some
> > > > > improvement
> > > > > since import-by-exact-revision is (and has always = been) poorly
> > > > designed.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Lada
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Balazs
> > > > >
> > > > > Andy
> > > > >
> > > > >=C2=A0
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 2:38 PM > > > > > > > To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsso= n.com>
> > > > > > > Cc: andy@yumaworks.com; lhotka@nic.cz; netmod@ietf.org
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to = indicate whether a module
> > > > is
> > > > > > needed as
> > > > > > > import-only or as implemented
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I agree w/ Andy and others that we shoul= d not add this to the
> > > > import's
> > > > > > > description.=C2=A0 I don't think thi= s kind of conformance text belongs
> > > > to the
> > > > > > > import's description.=C2=A0 If you t= hink it is important to state this,
> > > > the
> > > > > > best
> > > > > > > place is probably as plain text in the d= ocument itself.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > /martin
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel= =3D40eri= csson.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > As a draft author who was asked to = add text about the imports
> > > > IMHO
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0it would be easy for = me to remove the description from the
> > > > import.
> > > > > > > > Actually I really just want to know= what is acceptable to the
> > > > group, so
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > can proceed
> > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0I also think that add= ing this text is in most cases easy and
> > > > it does
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > need updates later.
> > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0The rules in some cas= es might not be trivial.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0Imported YAMs need to= be implemented if
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0Imported parts are in= cluded in Xpath (augment, when, must,
> > > > require-
> > > > > > > > instance)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0Imported YAMs do not = need to be implemented if only the
> > > > following
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > used
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0Types
> > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0Features
> > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0extensions
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0Ambiguous if
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0groupings are used > > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0if the dependency is = not formally defined by YANG, but
> > > > functionally
> > > > > > > > needed. (E.g. notification-capabili= ties does not formally need
> > > > YANG-
> > > > > > > > Push
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > be implemented, however there is no= sense in defining
> > > > capabilities if
> > > > > > YANG-
> > > > > > > > Push is itself not implemented.) > > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0deviation ?
> > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0other cases ?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Regards Balazs
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >=C2=A0
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> = On Behalf Of Andy Bierman
> > > > > > > > Sent: 2019. december 19., cs=C3=BCt= =C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 17:23
> > > > > > > > To: Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz>
> > > > > > > > Cc: NetMod WG <netmod@ietf.org>
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in impor= t to indicate whether a
> > > > module is
> > > > > > > > needed as import-only or as impleme= nted
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >=C2=A0
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >=C2=A0
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >=C2=A0
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 8:00 AM Lad= islav Lhotka <lhotka@= nic.cz
> > > > <mailto:
> > > > > > > > lhotka@nic.cz> > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Thu, 2019-12-19 at 07:52 +0000, = Sch=C3=B6nw=C3=A4lder, J=C3=BCrgen wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 08:23:= 27AM +0100, Ladislav Lhotka
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > I don't see how YANG = syntax defines this. If a module
> > > > imports
> > > > > > > > > > ietf-netconf- acm, it cou= ld be because
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > - it just uses a typedef,= such as "node-instance-
> > > > identifier", and
> > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0ietf-netconf-= acm needn't be implemented (but can be),
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > - it augments ietf-netcon= f-acm, which makes sense only if
> > > > the latter
> > > > > > > > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0module is imp= lemented.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It it the YANG library th= at specifies whether a module is
> > > > > > > > > > implemented or not, but t= he "import" statement itself
> > > > doesn't tell
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > anything.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Can we not assume that an impl= ementor will figure out the
> > > > difference?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > An implementor should be able to fi= gure it out, but other
> > > > potential
> > > > > > > > module users may not. For example, = if somebody is evaluating
> > > > whether
> > > > > > > > to use a module for their device or= not, it is important to know
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > NACM has to be implemented (or not)= .
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >=C2=A0
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You seem to be talking about a new = conformance documentation
> > > > procedure
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > that attempts to solve the problem = "to use modules A, B, and C
> > > > > > > > together
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > to achieve some functionality X, al= l these conditions need to be
> > > > met"..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > (Sounds more like a problem for YAN= G Packages to solve)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >=C2=A0
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > IMO this is a much harder problem t= han something that can be
> > > > solved
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > with extra description-stmt text. T= he writer is likely to get it
> > > > wrong
> > > > > > > > or not
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > keep it up to date, so a tool to an= alyze the file seems like a
> > > > better
> > > > > > > > solution.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >=C2=A0
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Lada
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >=C2=A0
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >=C2=A0
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Andy
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >=C2=A0
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Or someone writes a pyang plug= in to determine from the schema
> > > > tree
> > > > > > > > > the kind of imports there are = (for a given set of features).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > /js
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Ladislav Lhotka
> > > > > > > > Head, CZ.NIC Labs
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> > > > --
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Adding thi= s > information to the import statement for such modules is IMO more effectiv= e than > having it in the module description. I don't get how it could become a pr= oblem. > The question is how we make sure that text written by a human reflects the actual facts. If tools can derive most of the import semantics (i.e., generate a list of imported names and how they are used), why not have a tooling answer instead of relying on manual work by authors and reviewers? /js --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Mon Mar 2 14:13:23 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB9CC3A12D2 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 14:13:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NRIw6bKSV6Xu for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 14:13:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy5-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy5-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.38.55]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 500363A12C9 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 14:13:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from cmgw10.unifiedlayer.com (unknown [10.9.0.10]) by gproxy5.mail.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D101404BD for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 15:13:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id 8tJIjIIGqRlnN8tJIjOKww; Mon, 02 Mar 2020 15:13:12 -0700 X-Authority-Reason: nr=8 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=Kdz8TzQD c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:17 a=dLZJa+xiwSxG16/P+YVxDGlgEgI=:19 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10:nop_ipv6 a=4iOZJtFv7AwA:10:uccc_punct_subject_2 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10:nop_charset_1 a=SS2py6AdgQ4A:10:nop_rcvd_month_year a=Vy_oeq2dmq0A:10:endurance_base64_authed_username_1 a=HLvPDLHGFjgA:10:nop_election2020_name_subject a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=-tsAPJKn6S7ax0J5AdsA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10:nop_charset_2 a=w1C3t2QeGrPiZgrLijVG:22 a=pHzHmUro8NiASowvMSCR:22 a=xoEH_sTeL_Rfw54TyV31:22 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date: Message-ID:Subject:From:Cc:To:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=gcRKVZIGibrVx+eOuCxJOsXngB6pmT+193qoHYBx91Q=; b=Zf6YCEdmCFQsjfVI+lPdF2OwlL 8hVgaTGdkpTALnuUe4SgiS1xJdC1bPsSJF0Dk/S7PSXGFTOH/xIHbCgChFgoNYqAhX0ig6ruHBxei mqdwuRexrfGMzXI8FZh3xj/sN; Received: from [127.0.0.1] (port=52381 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1j8tJI-0000X0-4h; Mon, 02 Mar 2020 15:13:12 -0700 To: rwilton@cisco.com, rrahman@cisco.com, jclarke@cisco.com, jason.sterne@nokia.com, lana.wubo@huawei.com Cc: netmod-ver-dt@ietf.org, netmod@ietf.org From: Lou Berger Message-ID: <04276b2f-8650-b87c-fc23-4ded7c47f084@labn.net> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 17:13:10 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-Source-L: Yes X-Exim-ID: 1j8tJI-0000X0-4h X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([IPv6:::1]) [127.0.0.1]:52381 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 7 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] Regarding IPR on draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2020 22:13:17 -0000 Authors, Contributors, WG, As part of preparation for WG Adoption: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? 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Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate. We note that all DT members are listed as contributors. If you contributed to the document please respond. Alternatively, please feel free to state that you didn't materially contribute to the draft and would like your name removed from the contribution section (and moved to acknowledgments after WG adoption). If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. Thank you, NetMod WG Chairs PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your response. From nobody Mon Mar 2 14:13:44 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E5B3A12CF for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 14:13:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QhzJIrRzQd9Z for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 14:13:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy6-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy6-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.39.168]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF3303A12D5 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 14:13:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from CMGW (unknown [10.9.0.13]) by gproxy6.mail.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B7541E0693 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 15:13:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id 8tJXjojheNj0b8tJXjEYBJ; Mon, 02 Mar 2020 15:13:27 -0700 X-Authority-Reason: nr=8 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=eIdjtDh1 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:17 a=dLZJa+xiwSxG16/P+YVxDGlgEgI=:19 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=4mx9_Gt2UX4A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=SS2py6AdgQ4A:10 a=Vy_oeq2dmq0A:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=-tsAPJKn6S7ax0J5AdsA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=w1C3t2QeGrPiZgrLijVG:22 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date: Message-ID:Subject:From:Cc:To:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=gcRKVZIGibrVx+eOuCxJOsXngB6pmT+193qoHYBx91Q=; b=O0ISYG/2hV0yigtLCFHYuDPHte ogYIdLyXh37RoOiM5bhMK1dSUGaXBK8Le6wQ3WCzqiRvOVf4R/JtB3/gYW8DCbgXWBKTiNWuBWcjj m2dfY2syKKaNNy1ewarTe7lKf; Received: from [127.0.0.1] (port=52625 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1j8tJX-0000mv-9N; Mon, 02 Mar 2020 15:13:27 -0700 To: rwilton@cisco.com Cc: netmod-ver-dt@ietf.org, netmod@ietf.org From: Lou Berger Message-ID: <0515e5bd-21fb-f26a-e403-3f8f18b99bf1@labn.net> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 17:13:26 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-Source-L: Yes X-Exim-ID: 1j8tJX-0000mv-9N X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([IPv6:::1]) [127.0.0.1]:52625 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 22 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] Regarding IPR on draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2020 22:13:31 -0000 Authors, Contributors, WG, As part of preparation for WG Adoption: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate. We note that all DT members are listed as contributors. If you contributed to the document please respond. Alternatively, please feel free to state that you didn't materially contribute to the draft and would like your name removed from the contribution section (and moved to acknowledgments after WG adoption). If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. Thank you, NetMod WG Chairs PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your response. 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Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate. We note that all DT members are listed as contributors. If you contributed to the document please respond. Alternatively, please feel free to state that you didn't materially contribute to the draft and would like your name removed from the contribution section (and moved to acknowledgments after WG adoption). If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. Thank you, NetMod WG Chairs PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your response. From nobody Mon Mar 2 14:13:51 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 025FC3A12FC for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 14:13:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NNJBjqUJdiIX for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 14:13:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy1-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy1-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.25.95]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AAAD03A12D3 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 14:13:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from CMGW (unknown [10.9.0.13]) by gproxy1.mail.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 527CB36D7132A for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 15:13:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id 8tJijojldNj0b8tJijEYFL; Mon, 02 Mar 2020 15:13:38 -0700 X-Authority-Reason: nr=8 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=eIdjtDh1 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:17 a=dLZJa+xiwSxG16/P+YVxDGlgEgI=:19 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=pVJs3sS_pfEA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=SS2py6AdgQ4A:10 a=Vy_oeq2dmq0A:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=-tsAPJKn6S7ax0J5AdsA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=w1C3t2QeGrPiZgrLijVG:22 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date: Message-ID:Subject:From:Cc:To:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=gcRKVZIGibrVx+eOuCxJOsXngB6pmT+193qoHYBx91Q=; b=JswFFXv5GxXnYDiL7QS4bYmSGj IBm0S83cU/8LUorS73CWx6UDI55emRLuzORFHgNUay3YZ/RMf/o/xA0MtArI0NjF8/jb+tAtY8I3S co1tIGutuqb2LO9mCv3YsoU+l; Received: from [127.0.0.1] (port=52663 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1j8tJg-0000pe-Om; Mon, 02 Mar 2020 15:13:38 -0700 To: bclaise@cisco.com, jclarke@cisco.com, rrahman@cisco.com, rwilton@cisco.com, balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com, jason.sterne@nokia.com, kd6913@att.com Cc: netmod-ver-dt@ietf.org, netmod@ietf.org From: Lou Berger Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 17:13:31 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-Source-L: Yes X-Exim-ID: 1j8tJg-0000pe-Om X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([IPv6:::1]) [127.0.0.1]:52663 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 31 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] Regarding IPR on draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2020 22:13:41 -0000 Authors, Contributors, WG, As part of preparation for WG Adoption: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate. We note that all DT members are listed as contributors. If you contributed to the document please respond. Alternatively, please feel free to state that you didn't materially contribute to the draft and would like your name removed from the contribution section (and moved to acknowledgments after WG adoption). If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. Thank you, NetMod WG Chairs PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your response. 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Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate. We note that all DT members are listed as contributors. If you contributed to the document please respond. Alternatively, please feel free to state that you didn't materially contribute to the draft and would like your name removed from the contribution section (and moved to acknowledgments after WG adoption). If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. Thank you, NetMod WG Chairs PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your response. From nobody Mon Mar 2 14:15:21 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D41C3A12D2; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 14:15:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9damc2oU9wBW; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 14:15:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CEE663A12D0; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 14:15:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from jmbp.local ([IPv6:2601:647:4200:5811:7945:7c11:6895:e97a]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 022MFE4i067505; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 22:15:14 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) X-Authentication-Warning: nagasaki.bogus.com: Host [IPv6:2601:647:4200:5811:7945:7c11:6895:e97a] claimed to be jmbp.local To: Alexander Clemm , "draft-ietf-netmod-nmda-diff@ietf.org" , "netmod@ietf.org" References: <14dcbe36-43c3-0a21-4ec8-ad78019eefea@bogus.com> From: Joel Jaeggli X-Pep-Version: 2.0 Message-ID: <7bbe686d-264e-4c6e-8430-5cc51ad0a676@bogus.com> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 14:15:14 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------B2CBB80E3ECE0AFDCB82EA58" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] draft-ietf-netmod-nmda-diff - IPR verfication request X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2020 22:15:21 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B2CBB80E3ECE0AFDCB82EA58 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks joel On 2/25/20 12:17, Alexander Clemm wrote: > Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules. =20 > (Back in 2017; see datatracker) > --- Alex > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: netmod On Behalf Of Joel Jaeggli >> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2020 11:45 AM >> To: draft-ietf-netmod-nmda-diff@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org >> Subject: [netmod] draft-ietf-netmod-nmda-diff - IPR verfication reques= t >> >> Authors, Contributors, WG, >> >> As part of the preparation for WG Last Call: >> >> Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? >> >> Please state either: >> >> "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" >> or >> "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" >> >> If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (= see RFCs >> 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? >> >> If yes to the above, please state either: >> >> "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" >> or >> "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" >> >> If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appr= opriate. >> >> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer th= e above >> by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware= of any >> relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a= response >> has been received from each author and listed contributor. NOTE: THIS >> APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. >> >> If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not list= ed as an >> author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IET= F IPR >> rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR = of others >> on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contr= ibution or >> discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. 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To be specific, this includes 1) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03 2) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01 3) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01 4) draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03 5) draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 6) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00 The adoption call ends in two weeks, on March 16. Please voice your support or objections on list. While we prefer to adopt as a set, objections on specific documents are acceptable. Netmod Chairs On 2/29/2020 2:21 AM, Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote: > Netmod chairs, > > The version selection draft draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 is now posted. With that, the YANG versioning design team would like to please request you make an WG adoption call for these documents. > > The updated full list is: > > 1) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03 > - Solution overview, updated since 106 to cover updates to version selection and schema comparison drafts. > > 2) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01 > - Base module versioning solution, unchanged from the version presented at 106. > > 3) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01 > - YANG Semantic version numbers, unchanged from the version presented at 106. > > 4) draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03 > - YANG packages draft, updated since 106 > > 5) draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 > - Version selection, updated since 106, as per notes below > > 6) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00 > - Schema comparison tooling, unchanged from the version presented at 106. > > The main changes to the version selection draft are: > - We have tried to simplify the model, but at the same time give servers more flexibility about how they implement version selection and what it can be used for. E.g. if the server wants to allow a client to choose between different schema versions, but require that all clients use the same schema version, that is now possible > - The draft explicitly disallows schema-selection happening mid-session > - The solution allows the server to require clients to configure schema-sets before they are used > - The solution provides more information about which schema-sets are compatible with each other > > Regards, > Rob > > --------------AB0AC1FC0FC31C88F572F0A4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 
Hi,
We'd like to start a two week adoption call for the set of documents described below by Rob.  To be specific, this includes
1) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03
2) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01
3) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01
4) draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03
5) draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02
6) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00

The adoption call ends in two weeks, on March 16.  

Please voice your support or objections on list.  While we prefer to adopt as a set, objections on specific documents are acceptable.

Netmod Chairs

On 2/29/2020 2:21 AM, Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote:

Netmod chairs,

The version selection draft draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 is now posted.  With that, the YANG versioning design team would like to please request you make an WG adoption call for these documents.

The updated full list is:

1) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03
  - Solution overview, updated since 106 to cover updates to version selection and schema comparison drafts.

2) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01
  - Base module versioning solution, unchanged from the version presented at 106.

3) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01
  - YANG Semantic version numbers, unchanged from the version presented at 106.

4) draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03
  - YANG packages draft, updated since 106
  
5) draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02
  - Version selection, updated since 106, as per notes below

6) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00
  - Schema comparison tooling, unchanged from the version presented at 106.

The main changes to the version selection draft are:
  - We have tried to simplify the model, but at the same time give servers more flexibility about how they implement version selection and what it can be used for.  E.g. if the server wants to allow a client to choose between different schema versions, but require that all clients use the same schema version, that is now possible
  - The draft explicitly disallows schema-selection happening mid-session
  - The solution allows the server to require clients to configure schema-sets before they are used
  - The solution provides more information about which schema-sets are compatible with each other

Regards,
Rob
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Mon, 2 Mar 2020 22:32:55 +0000 From: "Joe Clarke (jclarke)" To: Lou Berger CC: "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" , "netmod@ietf.org" , "netmod-ver-dt@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Netmod-ver-dt] Regarding IPR on draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03 Thread-Index: AQHV8N/X+wJ4AeXAm0m9Zlv+uFuyuKg140cA Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 22:32:55 +0000 Message-ID: <63C8E674-4AED-4D43-8091-866F396EE958@cisco.com> References: <415f837c-66e0-10b1-65a5-dc948ff23cbc@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <415f837c-66e0-10b1-65a5-dc948ff23cbc@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=jclarke@cisco.com; x-originating-ip: [173.38.117.85] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 245a149f-3c59-4a64-dd6c-08d7bef9a6fa x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: BN6PR11MB1842: x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-ms-oob-tlc-oobclassifiers: OLM:6108; x-forefront-prvs: 033054F29A x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; 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Joe > On Mar 2, 2020, at 17:13, Lou Berger wrote: >=20 >=20 > Authors, Contributors, WG, >=20 > As part of preparation for WG Adoption: >=20 > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? >=20 > Please state either: >=20 > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" >=20 > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? >=20 > If yes to the above, please state either: >=20 > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" >=20 > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. >=20 > We note that all DT members are listed as contributors. If you contribut= ed to the document please respond. Alternatively, please feel free to stat= e that you didn't materially contribute to the draft and would like your na= me removed from the contribution section (and moved to acknowledgments afte= r WG adoption). >=20 > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next > stage until a response has been received from each author. >=20 > NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. >=20 > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from > participating in any contribution or discussion related to your > undisclosed IPR. 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Joe > On Mar 2, 2020, at 17:13, Lou Berger wrote: >=20 >=20 > Authors, Contributors, WG, >=20 > As part of preparation for WG Adoption: >=20 > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? >=20 > Please state either: >=20 > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" >=20 > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? >=20 > If yes to the above, please state either: >=20 > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" >=20 > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. >=20 > We note that all DT members are listed as contributors. If you contribut= ed to the document please respond. Alternatively, please feel free to stat= e that you didn't materially contribute to the draft and would like your na= me removed from the contribution section (and moved to acknowledgments afte= r WG adoption). >=20 > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next > stage until a response has been received from each author. >=20 > NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. >=20 > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from > participating in any contribution or discussion related to your > undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above > and > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. >=20 > Thank you, > NetMod WG Chairs >=20 > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > response. >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Netmod-ver-dt mailing list > Netmod-ver-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod-ver-dt From nobody Mon Mar 2 14:33:30 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32AED3A1307; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 14:33:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: e7842913-11dd-467c-a2c3-08d7bef9b8a2 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 02 Mar 2020 22:33:24.7416 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5ae1af62-9505-4097-a69a-c1553ef7840e X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: KZpLHrHdnelvaLkxPVnfF5L7vjw6DUgOOJLSL4WcWq5mC2oEAI8Tztqme/SHbXRL7Pl6ET/0DJ9BEj6s7qpC8Q== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BN6PR11MB1842 X-OriginatorOrg: cisco.com X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 173.36.7.12, xch-aln-002.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: alln-core-4.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Regarding IPR on draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2020 22:33:29 -0000 I know of no IPR that applies to this draft. Joe > On Mar 2, 2020, at 17:13, Lou Berger wrote: >=20 >=20 > Authors, Contributors, WG, >=20 > As part of preparation for WG Adoption: >=20 > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? >=20 > Please state either: >=20 > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" >=20 > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? >=20 > If yes to the above, please state either: >=20 > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" >=20 > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. >=20 > We note that all DT members are listed as contributors. If you contribut= ed to the document please respond. Alternatively, please feel free to stat= e that you didn't materially contribute to the draft and would like your na= me removed from the contribution section (and moved to acknowledgments afte= r WG adoption). >=20 > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next > stage until a response has been received from each author. >=20 > NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. >=20 > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from > participating in any contribution or discussion related to your > undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above > and > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. >=20 > Thank you, > NetMod WG Chairs >=20 > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > response. >=20 >=20 >=20 From nobody Mon Mar 2 14:34:01 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C223A1307; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 14:33:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com header.b=hYwv3NPY; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.onmicrosoft.com header.b=DYyY5+R+ Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zIIBEbV-ZYb1; 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Mon, 2 Mar 2020 22:33:50 +0000 From: "Joe Clarke (jclarke)" To: Lou Berger CC: "Benoit Claise (bclaise)" , "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" , "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" , "balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com" , "jason.sterne@nokia.com" , "kd6913@att.com" , "netmod-ver-dt@ietf.org" , "netmod@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Regarding IPR on draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01 Thread-Index: AQHV8N/VVSrCNODjY0OJz6kDQza3TKg144oA Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 22:33:50 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=jclarke@cisco.com; x-originating-ip: [173.38.117.85] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 053824fa-bf7d-4284-6d5f-08d7bef9c7f7 x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: BN6PR11MB1842: x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-ms-oob-tlc-oobclassifiers: OLM:6108; x-forefront-prvs: 033054F29A x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10009020)(4636009)(136003)(346002)(366004)(39860400002)(376002)(396003)(199004)(189003)(26005)(2906002)(5660300002)(53546011)(6506007)(478600001)(4326008)(6486002)(71200400001)(966005)(186003)(66446008)(64756008)(2616005)(54906003)(33656002)(76116006)(66556008)(66946007)(91956017)(66476007)(6916009)(8936002)(86362001)(8676002)(81156014)(81166006)(6512007)(36756003)(316002); 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Joe > On Mar 2, 2020, at 17:13, Lou Berger wrote: >=20 >=20 > Authors, Contributors, WG, >=20 > As part of preparation for WG Adoption: >=20 > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? >=20 > Please state either: >=20 > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" >=20 > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? >=20 > If yes to the above, please state either: >=20 > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" >=20 > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. >=20 > We note that all DT members are listed as contributors. If you contribut= ed to the document please respond. Alternatively, please feel free to stat= e that you didn't materially contribute to the draft and would like your na= me removed from the contribution section (and moved to acknowledgments afte= r WG adoption). >=20 > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next > stage until a response has been received from each author. >=20 > NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. >=20 > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from > participating in any contribution or discussion related to your > undisclosed IPR. 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Mon, 2 Mar 2020 22:34:11 +0000 From: "Joe Clarke (jclarke)" To: Lou Berger CC: "Benoit Claise (bclaise)" , "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" , "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" , "balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com" , "jason.sterne@nokia.com" , "kd6913@att.com" , "netmod-ver-dt@ietf.org" , "netmod@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Regarding IPR on draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01 Thread-Index: AQHV8N/gs3WmvGYeOkaNRUZ+0oY/mqg146IA Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 22:34:10 +0000 Message-ID: <617D4FA9-79DD-4E7B-B917-5674A42215AE@cisco.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=jclarke@cisco.com; x-originating-ip: [173.38.117.85] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: d0bfb097-db92-4295-8f0d-08d7bef9d423 x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: BN6PR11MB1842: x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-ms-oob-tlc-oobclassifiers: OLM:6108; x-forefront-prvs: 033054F29A x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; 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Joe > On Mar 2, 2020, at 17:13, Lou Berger wrote: >=20 >=20 > Authors, Contributors, WG, >=20 > As part of preparation for WG Adoption: >=20 > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? >=20 > Please state either: >=20 > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" >=20 > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? >=20 > If yes to the above, please state either: >=20 > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" >=20 > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. >=20 > We note that all DT members are listed as contributors. If you contribut= ed to the document please respond. Alternatively, please feel free to stat= e that you didn't materially contribute to the draft and would like your na= me removed from the contribution section (and moved to acknowledgments afte= r WG adoption). >=20 > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next > stage until a response has been received from each author. >=20 > NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. >=20 > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from > participating in any contribution or discussion related to your > undisclosed IPR. 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From nobody Tue Mar 3 00:45:16 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A21413A1B5A for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2020 00:45:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hLHkwDhXTlvs for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2020 00:45:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-3.cisco.com (aer-iport-3.cisco.com [173.38.203.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E55D73A0F73 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2020 00:45:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=53877; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1583225109; x=1584434709; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date: mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=f8yRpPbQ2sSAhw/NnuHsRfxq8KqW68Fg5uYD8+VmIx8=; b=ZbX1vYDCbSAJz5tOgsYHyjn9rwHRwmchuNi+t/FaCbgv1hAcEoXmWdZK trYiDljjwX3Iqif0WR3MXqiZr3JL14YPfgjUin7p1qcYl3S9RtWvu3RSG 6DwnIRj13GgseP9m1+k/I3D1kLnzOVK5ezAp+67CHh6NNzNsYfK9oqcR6 I=; X-IPAS-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0BCAAAwGF5e/xbLJq1lGQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBE?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQEBAQEBAQEBgXuDFVUgEiqDVECJA4gLmVeBZwkBAQEMAQEYAQwKBAEBg?= =?us-ascii?q?3tFAoI0OBMCAwEBAQMCAwEBAQEFAQEBAgEFBG2FVgyFYwEBAQEDAQEKDgEIS?= =?us-ascii?q?wsMBAkCEQQBAQEgAQIEAwICJx8JCAYBDAYCAQEXgwsBgnsPkAGbBHWBMoQ5A?= =?us-ascii?q?oEPg0GBOAaBOIw/gUE/gREngW9QLj6CZAEBAgGBGhIBARIBCYMpgl4EryV2g?= =?us-ascii?q?kaHUoUDigsGHI8OjCOKUYQhiHyIXIlyAgQLAhWBaSIqPXEzGggbFTuCbFAYD?= =?us-ascii?q?Y5ViE+FQkADMAIBjj6CMgEB?= X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="5.70,510,1574121600"; d="scan'208,217"; a="21650550" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-1.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA; 03 Mar 2020 08:45:04 +0000 Received: from [10.61.97.215] (dhcp-10-61-97-215.cisco.com [10.61.97.215]) (authenticated bits=0) by aer-core-1.cisco.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 0238ivtY010018 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 3 Mar 2020 08:45:02 GMT To: Andy Bierman , Ladislav Lhotka Cc: NETMOD WG References: <20200107.143818.1928135118621633911.mbj@tail-f.com> <940da771-440b-6e42-eaf7-12bc5626441a@cisco.com> <6c7419ed4553947cd84930c240a14cf5f91fac11.camel@nic.cz> From: Benoit Claise Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 09:44:57 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------0EF449060E72598AA534DC8E" Content-Language: en-US X-Authenticated-User: bclaise X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 10.61.97.215, dhcp-10-61-97-215.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: aer-core-1.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a module is needed as import-only or as implemented X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2020 08:45:14 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0EF449060E72598AA534DC8E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, > > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:23 AM Ladislav Lhotka > wrote: > > On Mon, 2020-03-02 at 09:52 -0800, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 8:57 AM Benoit Claise > wrote: > > > Sorry to resurrect this old email thread. > > > To me, it's an important piece of information to know that > ietf-netconf-acm > > > is optional to implement. > > > > > > It seems that we have 3 potential places where to insert this > information > > > 1. The associated document. We could and should insert it into > the RFC text. > > >     Drawback: Somehow the YANG module is looked at > independently of the > > > associated document > > > 2. import-stmt: people on the list apparently don't like this > > > 3. module description? What harm would it do if the > description could > > > contain this info? > > > > > > > > > > IMO it makes more sense to summarize the imported modules that > need to be > > implemented > > and not mention the ones that are not required.  The module > description-stmt > > is better > > than each import. (YANG 1.1 allows the same module to be > imported multiple > > times). > > Modules that have to be implemented can be imported only once. > Adding this > information to the import statement for such modules is IMO more > effective than > having it in the module description. I don't get how it could > become a problem. > > > I do not think this info helps very much. It is duplicate info. > It should be in the description-stmts for the objects defined in the > module. Well, I had in mind the module description The "description-stmts for the objects defined in the module" is yet another place. > It is also self-evident (and defined in YANG) that if you augment some > external node > you have to implement the augmented module. > >  This is the classic definition of a CLR. > > Lada > > > Trying to decompose the problem space .... I believe it's common sense to include in the RFC text that ietf-netconf-acm is optional to implement (to take the example in question in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11) Do we agree that this information should also be contained somewhere, somehow in the YANG module? I would say: yes If yes, what are the options? I agree with Juergen (in a reply in this email thread): ideally a tooling answer would be better. This will take some time. So what do we do now? 3 options: a. import description (description-stmt in import-stmt) module ietf-system-capabilities { yang-version 1.1; namespace "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-system-capabilities"; prefix sysc; import ietf-netconf-acm { prefix nacm; } description "_ietf-netconf-acm is optional to implement_."; } b. module description (description-stmt in  meta-stmts in module-stmt/submodule-stmt) module ietf-system-capabilities { yang-version 1.1; namespace "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-system-capabilities"; prefix sysc; import ietf-netconf-acm { prefix nacm; } import ietf-yang-library { prefix yanglib; description "Revision 2019-01-04 or a revision derived from it is REQUIRED."; } organization "IETF NETCONF (Network Configuration) Working Group"; contact "WG Web: WG List: Editor: Balazs Lengyel "; description "This module specifies a module intended to contain system capabilities. System capabilities may include capabilities of a NETCONF or RESTCONF server or a notification publisher. ... _ietf-netconf-acm is optional to implement."_ c. description-stmts for the objects defined in the module leaf node-selector { type nacm:node-instance-identifier; description "Selects the data nodes for which capabilities are specified. The special value '/' denotes all data nodes in the datastore._ietf-netconf-acm is optional to implement._"; } c. looks weird to me, and might need repetitions in different YANG objects. In the end, as an implementer, I only care to understand whether I need to implement "ietf-netconf-acm" as a prequesite to implement ietf-system-capabilities. Between a. and b., I have no strong preferences. However, a. seems to be the logical place to me. Regards, Benoit > > > > > > > Regards, Benoit > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 5:44 AM Ladislav Lhotka > > wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 2020-01-08 at 04:49 -0800, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 1:11 AM Ladislav Lhotka > > wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, 2020-01-07 at 14:29 +0000, Balázs Lengyel wrote: > > > > > > > > If that is the consensus, I can remove the > description statements, > > > > > no big > > > > > > > > deal. (I actually like the statements, but they are > not important > > > > > for this > > > > > > > > draft) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, it is not that important, but I don't see > how this > > > > > information > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > be harmful, if it is included with the import. In my > view, it is not > > > > > meant > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > conformance requirement but just an info from the > module author > > > > > about the > > > > > > > meaning of the import statement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It adds a lot of extra work but more importantly the > import-stmt is > > > > > the wrong > > > > > > place > > > > > > > > > > What work do you mean? I thought that it would be just > info for > > > > > potential > > > > > developers (or their managers) that implementing the > module requires > > > > > implementing other modules and functionality - or not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is duplication because the individual data-def statements > should have > > > > any notes > > > > about implementation requirements. The duplication may even > be wrong. > > > > E.g., in the module it says NACM is not required, but what > if some objects > > > > have NACM requirements listed in the Security Considerations > section? > > > > That is the RFC section to discuss NACM requirements. > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, if a module imports ietf-netconf-nacm only > for using "node- > > > > > instance-identifier" type, it is relatively uninteresting. > Otherwise, > > > > > implementation of the module may just be out of question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to document such a complex and unrelated issue as server > conformance > > > > > > requirements. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root of this problem (and design flaw of YANG, > IMO) is that > > > > > import is > > > > > > > "overloaded" with two different purposes, one of which > effectively > > > > > requires > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > the imported module be also implemented, while the > other doesn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The import-stmt is only used to map a local prefix to an > external > > > > > module. > > > > > > > > > > But one thing is using a prefix for accessing top-level > types and > > > > > groupings > > > > > (i.e. stuff in YANG modules), and another thing is > accessing schema > > > > > nodes, which > > > > > have to be present in the schema tree. In complicated data > models, it is > > > > > not > > > > > exactly easy to figure out all these dependencies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not agree these are different things. > > > > In both cases the prefix is used to determine the imported > module that > > > > contains the identifier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > So maybe what is really overloaded are the namespace > prefixes: they are > > > > > used for > > > > > addressing YANG modules, schema nodes and instances (in > XPath). > > > > > > > > > > Lada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > This proposal to add conformance info the the > import-stmt would > > > > > overload it > > > > > > with > > > > > > another purpose. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not even a typedef is easy to classify  (e.g., leafref > requires > > > > > implementation > > > > > > of a data node). > > > > > > I certainly agree that YANG conformance is poorly > specified, poorly > > > > > > understood, and > > > > > > in real need of improvement. Likewise, the import-stmt > is also in need > > > > > of some > > > > > > improvement > > > > > > since import-by-exact-revision is (and has always been) > poorly > > > > > designed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Balazs > > > > > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Martin Bjorklund > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 2:38 PM > > > > > > > > To: Balázs Lengyel > > > > > > > > > Cc: andy@yumaworks.com ; > lhotka@nic.cz ; netmod@ietf.org > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate > whether a module > > > > > is > > > > > > > needed as > > > > > > > > import-only or as implemented > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree w/ Andy and others that we should not add > this to the > > > > > import's > > > > > > > > description.  I don't think this kind of conformance > text belongs > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > import's description.  If you think it is important > to state this, > > > > > the > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > place is probably as plain text in the document itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Balázs Lengyel > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > As a draft author who was asked to add text about > the imports > > > > > IMHO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *   it would be easy for me to remove the > description from the > > > > > import. > > > > > > > > > Actually I really just want to know what is > acceptable to the > > > > > group, so > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > can proceed > > > > > > > > > *   I also think that adding this text is in most > cases easy and > > > > > it does > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > need updates later. > > > > > > > > > *   The rules in some cases might not be trivial. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *   Imported YAMs need to be implemented if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *   Imported parts are included in Xpath (augment, > when, must, > > > > > require- > > > > > > > > > instance) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *   Imported YAMs do not need to be implemented if > only the > > > > > following > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *   Types > > > > > > > > > *   Features > > > > > > > > > *   extensions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *   Ambiguous if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *   groupings are used > > > > > > > > > *   if the dependency is not formally defined by > YANG, but > > > > > functionally > > > > > > > > > needed. (E.g. notification-capabilities does not > formally need > > > > > YANG- > > > > > > > > > Push > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > be implemented, however there is no sense in defining > > > > > capabilities if > > > > > > > YANG- > > > > > > > > > Push is itself not implemented.) > > > > > > > > > *   deviation ? > > > > > > > > > *   other cases ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards Balazs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: netmod > On Behalf Of Andy Bierman > > > > > > > > > Sent: 2019. december 19., csütörtök 17:23 > > > > > > > > > To: Ladislav Lhotka > > > > > > > > > > Cc: NetMod WG > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate > whether a > > > > > module is > > > > > > > > > needed as import-only or as implemented > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 8:00 AM Ladislav Lhotka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lhotka@nic.cz > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2019-12-19 at 07:52 +0000, Schönwälder, > Jürgen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 08:23:27AM +0100, > Ladislav Lhotka > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I don't see how YANG syntax defines this. If a > module > > > > > imports > > > > > > > > > > > ietf-netconf- acm, it could be because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - it just uses a typedef, such as "node-instance- > > > > > identifier", and > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > >  ietf-netconf-acm needn't be implemented (but > can be), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - it augments ietf-netconf-acm, which makes > sense only if > > > > > the latter > > > > > > > > > > >   module is implemented. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It it the YANG library that specifies whether > a module is > > > > > > > > > > > implemented or not, but the "import" statement > itself > > > > > doesn't tell > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can we not assume that an implementor will > figure out the > > > > > difference? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An implementor should be able to figure it out, > but other > > > > > potential > > > > > > > > > module users may not. For example, if somebody is > evaluating > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > to use a module for their device or not, it is > important to know > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > NACM has to be implemented (or not). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to be talking about a new conformance > documentation > > > > > procedure > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that attempts to solve the problem "to use modules > A, B, and C > > > > > > > > > together > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to achieve some functionality X, all these > conditions need to be > > > > > met".. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Sounds more like a problem for YANG Packages to > solve) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO this is a much harder problem than something > that can be > > > > > solved > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with extra description-stmt text. The writer is > likely to get it > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > or not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keep it up to date, so a tool to analyze the file > seems like a > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > solution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or someone writes a pyang plugin to determine > from the schema > > > > > tree > > > > > > > > > > the kind of imports there are (for a given set > of features). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /js > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > Ladislav Lhotka > > > > > > > > > Head, CZ.NIC Labs > > > > > > > > > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > netmod mailing list > > > > > > > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Ladislav Lhotka > > > > > Head, CZ.NIC Labs > > > > > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > netmod mailing list > > > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > netmod mailing list > > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > -- > Ladislav Lhotka > Head, CZ.NIC Labs > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 > --------------0EF449060E72598AA534DC8E Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi,


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:23 AM Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz> wrote:
On Mon, 2020-03-02 at 09:52 -0800, Andy Bierman wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 8:57 AM Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com> wrote:
> > Sorry to resurrect this old email thread.
> > To me, it's an important piece of information to know that ietf-netconf-acm
> > is optional to implement.
> >
> > It seems that we have 3 potential places where to insert this information
> > 1. The associated document. We could and should insert it into the RFC text.
> >     Drawback: Somehow the YANG module is looked at independently of the
> > associated document
> > 2. import-stmt: people on the list apparently don't like this
> > 3. module description? What harm would it do if the description could
> > contain this info?
> >
> >
>
> IMO it makes more sense to summarize the imported modules that need to be
> implemented
> and not mention the ones that are not required.  The module description-stmt
> is better
> than each import. (YANG 1.1 allows the same module to be imported multiple
> times).

Modules that have to be implemented can be imported only once. Adding this
information to the import statement for such modules is IMO more effective than
having it in the module description. I don't get how it could become a problem.


I do not think this info helps very much. It is duplicate info.
It should be in the description-stmts for the objects defined in the module.
Well, I had in mind the module description
The "description-stmts for the objects defined in the module" is yet another place.
It is also self-evident (and defined in YANG) that if you augment some external node
you have to implement the augmented module.

 This is the classic definition of a CLR.

Lada


Trying to decompose the problem space ....
I believe it's common sense to include in the RFC text that ietf-netconf-acm is optional to implement (to take the example in question in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11)
Do we agree that this information should also be contained somewhere, somehow in the YANG module? I would say: yes

If yes, what are the options?
I agree with Juergen (in a reply in this email thread): ideally a tooling answer would be better. This will take some time. So what do we do now?
3 options:
a. import description (description-stmt in import-stmt) 
module ietf-system-capabilities {
  yang-version 1.1;
  namespace
    "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-system-capabilities";
  prefix sysc;

  import ietf-netconf-acm 
    { prefix nacm; }
    description "ietf-netconf-acm is optional to implement.";
    }

b. module description (description-stmt in  meta-stmts in module-stmt/submodule-stmt)
module ietf-system-capabilities {
  yang-version 1.1;
  namespace
    "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-system-capabilities";
  prefix sysc;

  import ietf-netconf-acm { prefix nacm; }

  import ietf-yang-library {
    prefix yanglib;
    description "Revision 2019-01-04 or a
      revision derived from it is REQUIRED.";
  }

  organization
    "IETF NETCONF (Network Configuration) Working Group";
  contact
    "WG Web:   <https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/netconf/>
     WG List:  <mailto:netconf@ietf.org>

     Editor:   Balazs Lengyel
               <mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>";
  description
    "This module specifies a module intended to contain system
      capabilities. System capabilities may include capabilities of a
      NETCONF or RESTCONF server or a notification publisher.

      ...

     
      ietf-netconf-acm is optional to implement."
c. description-stmts for the objects defined in the module

          leaf node-selector { 
            type nacm:node-instance-identifier;
            description
              "Selects the data nodes for which capabilities are
               specified. The special value '/' denotes all data nodes
               in the datastore. ietf-netconf-acm is optional to implement.";
          }

c. looks weird to me, and might need repetitions in different YANG objects. In the end, as an implementer, I only care to understand whether I need to implement "ietf-netconf-acm" as a prequesite to implement ietf-system-capabilities.

Between a. and b., I have no strong preferences.
However, a. seems to be the logical place to me.

Regards, Benoit

> 
> > Regards, Benoit
> >
>
> Andy
> 
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 5:44 AM Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz> wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 2020-01-08 at 04:49 -0800, Andy Bierman wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 1:11 AM Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz> wrote:
> > > > > > On Tue, 2020-01-07 at 14:29 +0000, Balázs Lengyel wrote:
> > > > > > > If that is the consensus, I can remove the description statements,
> > > > no big
> > > > > > > deal. (I actually like the statements, but they are not important
> > > > for this
> > > > > > > draft)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course, it is not that important, but I don't see how this
> > > > information
> > > > > > could
> > > > > > be harmful, if it is included with the import. In my view, it is not
> > > > meant
> > > > > > as a
> > > > > > conformance requirement but just an info from the module author
> > > > about the
> > > > > > meaning of the import statement.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It adds a lot of extra work but more importantly the import-stmt is
> > > > the wrong
> > > > > place
> > > >
> > > > What work do you mean? I thought that it would be just info for
> > > > potential
> > > > developers (or their managers) that implementing the module requires
> > > > implementing other modules and functionality - or not.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It is duplication because the individual data-def statements should have
> > > any notes
> > > about implementation requirements. The duplication may even be wrong.
> > > E.g., in the module it says NACM is not required, but what if some objects
> > > have NACM requirements listed in the Security Considerations section?
> > > That is the RFC section to discuss NACM requirements.
> > >
> > >
> > > > For example, if a module imports ietf-netconf-nacm only for using "node-
> > > > instance-identifier" type, it is relatively uninteresting. Otherwise,
> > > > implementation of the module may just be out of question.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > to document such a complex and unrelated issue as server conformance
> > > > > requirements.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > The root of this problem (and design flaw of YANG, IMO) is that
> > > > import is
> > > > > > "overloaded" with two different purposes, one of which effectively
> > > > requires
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > the imported module be also implemented, while the other doesn't.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The import-stmt is only used to map a local prefix to an external
> > > > module.
> > > >
> > > > But one thing is using a prefix for accessing top-level types and
> > > > groupings
> > > > (i.e. stuff in YANG modules), and another thing is accessing schema
> > > > nodes, which
> > > > have to be present in the schema tree. In complicated data models, it is
> > > > not
> > > > exactly easy to figure out all these dependencies.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > I do not agree these are different things.
> > > In both cases the prefix is used to determine the imported module that
> > > contains the identifier.
> > >
> > >
> > > > So maybe what is really overloaded are the namespace prefixes: they are
> > > > used for
> > > > addressing YANG modules, schema nodes and instances (in XPath).
> > > >
> > > > Lada
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Andy
> > > 
> > > > > This proposal to add conformance info the the import-stmt would
> > > > overload it
> > > > > with
> > > > > another purpose.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not even a typedef is easy to classify  (e.g., leafref requires
> > > > implementation
> > > > > of a data node).
> > > > > I certainly agree that YANG conformance is poorly specified, poorly
> > > > > understood, and
> > > > > in real need of improvement. Likewise, the import-stmt is also in need
> > > > of some
> > > > > improvement
> > > > > since import-by-exact-revision is (and has always been) poorly
> > > > designed.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Lada
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Balazs
> > > > >
> > > > > Andy
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 2:38 PM
> > > > > > > To: Balázs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>
> > > > > > > Cc: andy@yumaworks.com; lhotka@nic.cz; netmod@ietf.org
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a module
> > > > is
> > > > > > needed as
> > > > > > > import-only or as implemented
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I agree w/ Andy and others that we should not add this to the
> > > > import's
> > > > > > > description.  I don't think this kind of conformance text belongs
> > > > to the
> > > > > > > import's description.  If you think it is important to state this,
> > > > the
> > > > > > best
> > > > > > > place is probably as plain text in the document itself.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > /martin
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Balázs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel=40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > As a draft author who was asked to add text about the imports
> > > > IMHO
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > *   it would be easy for me to remove the description from the
> > > > import.
> > > > > > > > Actually I really just want to know what is acceptable to the
> > > > group, so
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > can proceed
> > > > > > > > *   I also think that adding this text is in most cases easy and
> > > > it does
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > need updates later.
> > > > > > > > *   The rules in some cases might not be trivial.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > *   Imported YAMs need to be implemented if
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > *   Imported parts are included in Xpath (augment, when, must,
> > > > require-
> > > > > > > > instance)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > *   Imported YAMs do not need to be implemented if only the
> > > > following
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > used
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > *   Types
> > > > > > > > *   Features
> > > > > > > > *   extensions
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > *   Ambiguous if
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > *   groupings are used
> > > > > > > > *   if the dependency is not formally defined by YANG, but
> > > > functionally
> > > > > > > > needed. (E.g. notification-capabilities does not formally need
> > > > YANG-
> > > > > > > > Push
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > be implemented, however there is no sense in defining
> > > > capabilities if
> > > > > > YANG-
> > > > > > > > Push is itself not implemented.)
> > > > > > > > *   deviation ?
> > > > > > > > *   other cases ?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Regards Balazs
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Andy Bierman
> > > > > > > > Sent: 2019. december 19., csütörtök 17:23
> > > > > > > > To: Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz>
> > > > > > > > Cc: NetMod WG <netmod@ietf.org>
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a
> > > > module is
> > > > > > > > needed as import-only or as implemented
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 8:00 AM Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz
> > > > <mailto:
> > > > > > > > lhotka@nic.cz> > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Thu, 2019-12-19 at 07:52 +0000, Schönwälder, Jürgen wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 08:23:27AM +0100, Ladislav Lhotka
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > I don't see how YANG syntax defines this. If a module
> > > > imports
> > > > > > > > > > ietf-netconf- acm, it could be because
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > - it just uses a typedef, such as "node-instance-
> > > > identifier", and
> > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > >   ietf-netconf-acm needn't be implemented (but can be),
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > - it augments ietf-netconf-acm, which makes sense only if
> > > > the latter
> > > > > > > > > >   module is implemented.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It it the YANG library that specifies whether a module is
> > > > > > > > > > implemented or not, but the "import" statement itself
> > > > doesn't tell
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > anything.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Can we not assume that an implementor will figure out the
> > > > difference?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > An implementor should be able to figure it out, but other
> > > > potential
> > > > > > > > module users may not. For example, if somebody is evaluating
> > > > whether
> > > > > > > > to use a module for their device or not, it is important to know
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > NACM has to be implemented (or not).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You seem to be talking about a new conformance documentation
> > > > procedure
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > that attempts to solve the problem "to use modules A, B, and C
> > > > > > > > together
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > to achieve some functionality X, all these conditions need to be
> > > > met"..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > (Sounds more like a problem for YANG Packages to solve)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > IMO this is a much harder problem than something that can be
> > > > solved
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > with extra description-stmt text. The writer is likely to get it
> > > > wrong
> > > > > > > > or not
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > keep it up to date, so a tool to analyze the file seems like a
> > > > better
> > > > > > > > solution.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Lada
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Andy
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Or someone writes a pyang plugin to determine from the schema
> > > > tree
> > > > > > > > > the kind of imports there are (for a given set of features).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > /js
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Ladislav Lhotka
> > > > > > > > Head, CZ.NIC Labs
> > > > > > > > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod
> > > > > > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Ladislav Lhotka
> > > > Head, CZ.NIC Labs
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> > > >
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> > >
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Text in import to indicate whether a module is needed as import-only or as implemented X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2020 16:14:15 -0000 --000000000000fe24df059ff5976c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 12:45 AM Benoit Claise wrote: > Hi, > > > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:23 AM Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > >> On Mon, 2020-03-02 at 09:52 -0800, Andy Bierman wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 8:57 AM Benoit Claise wrote= : >> > > Sorry to resurrect this old email thread. >> > > To me, it's an important piece of information to know that >> ietf-netconf-acm >> > > is optional to implement. >> > > >> > > It seems that we have 3 potential places where to insert this >> information >> > > 1. The associated document. We could and should insert it into the >> RFC text. >> > > Drawback: Somehow the YANG module is looked at independently of >> the >> > > associated document >> > > 2. import-stmt: people on the list apparently don't like this >> > > 3. module description? What harm would it do if the description coul= d >> > > contain this info? >> > > >> > > >> > >> > IMO it makes more sense to summarize the imported modules that need to >> be >> > implemented >> > and not mention the ones that are not required. The module >> description-stmt >> > is better >> > than each import. (YANG 1.1 allows the same module to be imported >> multiple >> > times). >> >> Modules that have to be implemented can be imported only once. Adding th= is >> information to the import statement for such modules is IMO more >> effective than >> having it in the module description. I don't get how it could become a >> problem. >> >> > I do not think this info helps very much. It is duplicate info. > It should be in the description-stmts for the objects defined in the > module. > > Well, I had in mind the module description > The "description-stmts for the objects defined in the module" is yet > another place. > The object descriptions are the correct level of granularity to be useful. A boolean statement wrt/ module implementation is required vs not required is not very useful. Rarely is the entire module either fully required or nothing to implement at all. IMO it is wrong to conflate the import-stmt with conformance requirements. It is merely a mechanism to bind local prefix usage to an external module. Text like "revision X or derived from X is required" is appropriate for the import-stmt because it refers to the binding between prefix and imported module revision used. Consider how this extra documentation work scales to a big module like ietf-bgp. There are multiple submodules, each with overlapping imports and each with their own module header. Andy It is also self-evident (and defined in YANG) that if you augment some > external node > you have to implement the augmented module. > > This is the classic definition of a CLR. > > Lada >> > > > Trying to decompose the problem space .... > I believe it's common sense to include in the RFC text that > ietf-netconf-acm is optional to implement (to take the example in questio= n > in > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-= 11 > ) > Do we agree that this information should also be contained somewhere, > somehow in the YANG module? I would say: yes > > If yes, what are the options? > I agree with Juergen (in a reply in this email thread): ideally a tooling > answer would be better. This will take some time. So what do we do now? > 3 options: > a. import description (description-stmt in import-stmt) > > module ietf-system-capabilities { > yang-version 1.1; > namespace > "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-system-capabilities"; > prefix sysc; > > import ietf-netconf-acm > { prefix nacm; } > description "*ietf-netconf-acm is optional to implement*."; > } > > > b. module description (description-stmt in meta-stmts in > module-stmt/submodule-stmt) > > module ietf-system-capabilities { > yang-version 1.1; > namespace > "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-system-capabilities"; > prefix sysc; > > import ietf-netconf-acm { prefix nacm; } > > import ietf-yang-library { > prefix yanglib; > description "Revision 2019-01-04 or a > revision derived from it is REQUIRED."; > } > > organization > "IETF NETCONF (Network Configuration) Working Group"; > contact > "WG Web: > WG List: > > Editor: Balazs Lengyel > "; > description > "This module specifies a module intended to contain system > capabilities. System capabilities may include capabilities of a > NETCONF or RESTCONF server or a notification publisher. > > ... > > > *ietf-netconf-acm is optional to implement."* > > c. description-stmts for the objects defined in the module > > leaf node-selector { > type nacm:node-instance-identifier; > description > "Selects the data nodes for which capabilities are > specified. The special value '/' denotes all data nodes > in the datastore. *ietf-netconf-acm is optional to impleme= nt.*"; > } > > > c. looks weird to me, and might need repetitions in different YANG > objects. In the end, as an implementer, I only care to understand whether= I > need to implement "ietf-netconf-acm" as a prequesite to implement > ietf-system-capabilities. > > Between a. and b., I have no strong preferences. > However, a. seems to be the logical place to me. > > Regards, Benoit > > >> > >> > > Regards, Benoit >> > > >> > >> > Andy >> > >> > > > >> > > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 5:44 AM Ladislav Lhotka >> wrote: >> > > > > On Wed, 2020-01-08 at 04:49 -0800, Andy Bierman wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 1:11 AM Ladislav Lhotka >> wrote: >> > > > > > > On Tue, 2020-01-07 at 14:29 +0000, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel wrote= : >> > > > > > > > If that is the consensus, I can remove the description >> statements, >> > > > > no big >> > > > > > > > deal. (I actually like the statements, but they are not >> important >> > > > > for this >> > > > > > > > draft) >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Of course, it is not that important, but I don't see how thi= s >> > > > > information >> > > > > > > could >> > > > > > > be harmful, if it is included with the import. In my view, i= t >> is not >> > > > > meant >> > > > > > > as a >> > > > > > > conformance requirement but just an info from the module >> author >> > > > > about the >> > > > > > > meaning of the import statement. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > It adds a lot of extra work but more importantly the >> import-stmt is >> > > > > the wrong >> > > > > > place >> > > > > >> > > > > What work do you mean? I thought that it would be just info for >> > > > > potential >> > > > > developers (or their managers) that implementing the module >> requires >> > > > > implementing other modules and functionality - or not. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > It is duplication because the individual data-def statements shoul= d >> have >> > > > any notes >> > > > about implementation requirements. The duplication may even be >> wrong. >> > > > E.g., in the module it says NACM is not required, but what if some >> objects >> > > > have NACM requirements listed in the Security Considerations >> section? >> > > > That is the RFC section to discuss NACM requirements. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > For example, if a module imports ietf-netconf-nacm only for usin= g >> "node- >> > > > > instance-identifier" type, it is relatively uninteresting. >> Otherwise, >> > > > > implementation of the module may just be out of question. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > to document such a complex and unrelated issue as server >> conformance >> > > > > > requirements. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The root of this problem (and design flaw of YANG, IMO) is >> that >> > > > > import is >> > > > > > > "overloaded" with two different purposes, one of which >> effectively >> > > > > requires >> > > > > > > that >> > > > > > > the imported module be also implemented, while the other >> doesn't. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > The import-stmt is only used to map a local prefix to an >> external >> > > > > module. >> > > > > >> > > > > But one thing is using a prefix for accessing top-level types an= d >> > > > > groupings >> > > > > (i.e. stuff in YANG modules), and another thing is accessing >> schema >> > > > > nodes, which >> > > > > have to be present in the schema tree. In complicated data >> models, it is >> > > > > not >> > > > > exactly easy to figure out all these dependencies. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > I do not agree these are different things. >> > > > In both cases the prefix is used to determine the imported module >> that >> > > > contains the identifier. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > So maybe what is really overloaded are the namespace prefixes: >> they are >> > > > > used for >> > > > > addressing YANG modules, schema nodes and instances (in XPath). >> > > > > >> > > > > Lada >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Andy >> > > > >> > > > > > This proposal to add conformance info the the import-stmt woul= d >> > > > > overload it >> > > > > > with >> > > > > > another purpose. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Not even a typedef is easy to classify (e.g., leafref require= s >> > > > > implementation >> > > > > > of a data node). >> > > > > > I certainly agree that YANG conformance is poorly specified, >> poorly >> > > > > > understood, and >> > > > > > in real need of improvement. Likewise, the import-stmt is also >> in need >> > > > > of some >> > > > > > improvement >> > > > > > since import-by-exact-revision is (and has always been) poorly >> > > > > designed. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Lada >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Balazs >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Andy >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > > > > > From: Martin Bjorklund >> > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 2:38 PM >> > > > > > > > To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel >> > > > > > > > Cc: andy@yumaworks.com; lhotka@nic.cz; netmod@ietf.org >> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a >> module >> > > > > is >> > > > > > > needed as >> > > > > > > > import-only or as implemented >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hi >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I agree w/ Andy and others that we should not add this to >> the >> > > > > import's >> > > > > > > > description. I don't think this kind of conformance text >> belongs >> > > > > to the >> > > > > > > > import's description. If you think it is important to >> state this, >> > > > > the >> > > > > > > best >> > > > > > > > place is probably as plain text in the document itself. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > /martin >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel > 40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> >> > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > As a draft author who was asked to add text about the >> imports >> > > > > IMHO >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > * it would be easy for me to remove the description >> from the >> > > > > import. >> > > > > > > > > Actually I really just want to know what is acceptable t= o >> the >> > > > > group, so >> > > > > > > I >> > > > > > > > > can proceed >> > > > > > > > > * I also think that adding this text is in most cases >> easy and >> > > > > it does >> > > > > > > not >> > > > > > > > > need updates later. >> > > > > > > > > * The rules in some cases might not be trivial. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > * Imported YAMs need to be implemented if >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > * Imported parts are included in Xpath (augment, when, >> must, >> > > > > require- >> > > > > > > > > instance) >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > * Imported YAMs do not need to be implemented if only >> the >> > > > > following >> > > > > > > are >> > > > > > > > > used >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > * Types >> > > > > > > > > * Features >> > > > > > > > > * extensions >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > * Ambiguous if >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > * groupings are used >> > > > > > > > > * if the dependency is not formally defined by YANG, b= ut >> > > > > functionally >> > > > > > > > > needed. (E.g. notification-capabilities does not formall= y >> need >> > > > > YANG- >> > > > > > > > > Push >> > > > > > > to >> > > > > > > > > be implemented, however there is no sense in defining >> > > > > capabilities if >> > > > > > > YANG- >> > > > > > > > > Push is itself not implemented.) >> > > > > > > > > * deviation ? >> > > > > > > > > * other cases ? >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards Balazs >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > From: netmod On Behalf Of Andy >> Bierman >> > > > > > > > > Sent: 2019. december 19., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 17:23 >> > > > > > > > > To: Ladislav Lhotka >> > > > > > > > > Cc: NetMod WG >> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether= a >> > > > > module is >> > > > > > > > > needed as import-only or as implemented >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 8:00 AM Ladislav Lhotka < >> lhotka@nic.cz >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lhotka@nic.cz> > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2019-12-19 at 07:52 +0000, Sch=C3=B6nw=C3=A4lder= , J=C3=BCrgen >> wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 08:23:27AM +0100, Ladislav >> Lhotka >> > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > I don't see how YANG syntax defines this. If a modul= e >> > > > > imports >> > > > > > > > > > > ietf-netconf- acm, it could be because >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > - it just uses a typedef, such as "node-instance- >> > > > > identifier", and >> > > > > > > then >> > > > > > > > > > > ietf-netconf-acm needn't be implemented (but can >> be), >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > or >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > - it augments ietf-netconf-acm, which makes sense >> only if >> > > > > the latter >> > > > > > > > > > > module is implemented. >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > It it the YANG library that specifies whether a >> module is >> > > > > > > > > > > implemented or not, but the "import" statement itsel= f >> > > > > doesn't tell >> > > > > > > you >> > > > > > > > > > > anything. >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Can we not assume that an implementor will figure out >> the >> > > > > difference? >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > An implementor should be able to figure it out, but othe= r >> > > > > potential >> > > > > > > > > module users may not. For example, if somebody is >> evaluating >> > > > > whether >> > > > > > > > > to use a module for their device or not, it is important >> to know >> > > > > that >> > > > > > > > > NACM has to be implemented (or not). >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > You seem to be talking about a new conformance >> documentation >> > > > > procedure >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > that attempts to solve the problem "to use modules A, B, >> and C >> > > > > > > > > together >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > to achieve some functionality X, all these conditions >> need to be >> > > > > met".. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > (Sounds more like a problem for YANG Packages to solve) >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > IMO this is a much harder problem than something that ca= n >> be >> > > > > solved >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > with extra description-stmt text. The writer is likely t= o >> get it >> > > > > wrong >> > > > > > > > > or not >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > keep it up to date, so a tool to analyze the file seems >> like a >> > > > > better >> > > > > > > > > solution. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Lada >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Andy >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Or someone writes a pyang plugin to determine from the >> schema >> > > > > tree >> > > > > > > > > > the kind of imports there are (for a given set of >> features). >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > /js >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > -- >> > > > > > > > > Ladislav Lhotka >> > > > > > > > > Head, CZ.NIC Labs >> > > > > > > > > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > > > > > netmod mailing list >> > > > > > > > > netmod@ietf.org >> > > > > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > -- >> > > > > Ladislav Lhotka >> > > > > Head, CZ.NIC Labs >> > > > > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 >> > > > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > netmod mailing list >> > > > > netmod@ietf.org >> > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > netmod mailing list >> > > > netmod@ietf.org >> > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >> > > >> -- >> Ladislav Lhotka >> Head, CZ.NIC Labs >> PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 >> >> > --000000000000fe24df059ff5976c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


=
On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 12:45 AM Benoi= t Claise <bclaise@cisco.com>= wrote:
=20 =20 =20
Hi,
=20


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:2= 3 AM Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz> wrote:
On Mon, 2020-03= -02 at 09:52 -0800, Andy Bierman wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 8:57 AM Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com> w= rote:
> > Sorry to resurrect this old email thread.
> > To me, it's an important piece of information to know that ietf-netconf-acm
> > is optional to implement.
> >
> > It seems that we have 3 potential places where to insert this information
> > 1. The associated document. We could and should insert it into the RFC text.
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Drawback: Somehow the YANG module = is looked at independently of the
> > associated document
> > 2. import-stmt: people on the list apparently don't like this
> > 3. module description? What harm would it do if the description could
> > contain this info?
> >
> >
>
> IMO it makes more sense to summarize the imported modules that need to be
> implemented
> and not mention the ones that are not required.=C2=A0 The module description-stmt
> is better
> than each import. (YANG 1.1 allows the same module to be imported multiple
> times).

Modules that have to be implemented can be imported only once. Adding this
information to the import statement for such modules is IMO more effective than
having it in the module description. I don't get how it could become a problem.


I do not think this info helps very much. It is duplicate info.
It should be in the description-stmts for the objects defined in the module.
Well, I had in mind the module description
The "description-stmts for the objects defined in the module"= is yet another place.


The object descriptions are the correct level of granularity to be useful.=
A boolean statement wrt/ module implementation is required vs no= t required is not very useful.
Rarely is the entire module either= fully required or nothing to implement at all.

IM= O it is wrong to conflate the import-stmt with conformance requirements.
It is merely a mechanism to bind local prefix usage to an external = module.
Text like "revision X or derived from X is requ= ired" is appropriate for the import-stmt because
it refe= rs to the binding between prefix and imported module revision used.

Consider how this extra documentation wo= rk scales to a big module like ietf-bgp.
There are multiple submo= dules, each with overlapping imports and each with their own module header.=

=C2=A0
Andy

It is also self-evident (and defined in YANG) that if you augment some external node
you have to implement the augmented module.

=C2=A0This is the classic definition of a CLR.

Lada


Trying to decompose the problem space ....
I believe it's common sense to include in the RFC text that ietf-netconf-acm is optional to implement (to take the example in question in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netco= nf-notification-capabilities-11)
Do we agree that this information should also be contained somewhere, somehow in the YANG module? I would say: yes

If yes, what are the options?
I agree with Juergen (in a reply in this email thread): ideally a tooling answer would be better. This will take some time. So what do we do now?
3 options:
a. import description (description-stmt in import-stmt) 
module ietf-system-capabilities {
  yang-version 1.1;
  namespace
    "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-system-capabilities";
  prefix sysc;

  import ietf-netconf-acm=20
    { prefix nacm; }
    description "ietf-netconf-acm is optional to implement.&quo=
t;;
    }

b. module description (description-stmt in=C2=A0 meta-stmts in module-stmt/submodule-stmt)
module ietf-system-capabilities {
  yang-version 1.1;
  namespace
    "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-system-capabilities";
  prefix sysc;

  import ietf-netconf-acm { prefix nacm; }

  import ietf-yang-library {
    prefix yanglib;
    description "Revision 2019-01-04 or a
      revision derived from it is REQUIRED.";
  }

  organization
    "IETF NETCONF (Network Configuration) Working Group";
  contact
    "WG Web:   <https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/netconf/>
     WG List:  <ma=
ilto:netconf@ietf.org>

     Editor:   Balazs Lengyel
               <mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>";
  description
    "This module specifies a module intended to contain system
      capabilities. System capabilities may include capabilities of a
      NETCONF or RESTCONF server or a notification publisher.

      ...

    =20
      ietf-netconf-acm is optional to implement."
c. description-stmts for the objects defined in the module

          leaf node-selector {=20
            type nacm:node-instance-identifier;
            description
              "Selects the data nodes for which capabilities are
               specified. The special value '/' denotes all data no=
des
               in the datastore. ietf-netconf-acm is optional to impleme=
nt.";
          }

c. looks weird to me, and might need repetitions in different YANG objects. In the end, as an implementer, I only care to understand whether I need to implement "ietf-netconf-acm" as a prequesit= e to implement ietf-system-capabilities.

Between a. and b., I have no strong preferences.
However, a. seems to be the logical place to me.

Regards, Benoit

>=C2=A0
> > Regards, Benoit
> >
>
> Andy
>=C2=A0
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 5:44 AM Ladislav Lhotka <l= hotka@nic.cz> wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 2020-01-08 at 04:49 -0800, Andy Bierman wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 1:11 AM Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz> wrote:
> > > > > > On Tue, 2020-01-07 at 14:29 +0000, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel wrote:
> > > > > > > If that is the consensus, I can remove the description statements,
> > > > no big
> > > > > > > deal. (I actually like the statements, but they are not important
> > > > for this
> > > > > > > draft)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course, it is not that important, but I don't see how this
> > > > information
> > > > > > could
> > > > > > be harmful, if it is included with the import. In my view, it is not
> > > > meant
> > > > > > as a
> > > > > > conformance requirement but just an info from the module author
> > > > about the
> > > > > > meaning of the import statement.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It adds a lot of extra work but more importantly the import-stmt is
> > > > the wrong
> > > > > place
> > > >
> > > > What work do you mean? I thought that it would be just info for
> > > > potential
> > > > developers (or their managers) that implementing the module requires
> > > > implementing other modules and functionality - or not.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It is duplication because the individual data-def statements should have
> > > any notes
> > > about implementation requirements. The duplication may even be wrong.
> > > E.g., in the module it says NACM is not required, but what if some objects
> > > have NACM requirements listed in the Security Considerations section?
> > > That is the RFC section to discuss NACM requirements.
> > >
> > >
> > > > For example, if a module imports ietf-netconf-nacm only for using "node-
> > > > instance-identifier" type, it is relatively uninteresting. Otherwise,
> > > > implementation of the module may just be out of question.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > to document such a complex and unrelated issue as server conformance
> > > > > requirements.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > The root of this problem (and design flaw of YANG, IMO) is that
> > > > import is
> > > > > > "overloaded" with two different purposes, one of which effectively
> > > > requires
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > the imported module be also implemented, while the other doesn't.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The import-stmt is only used to map a local prefix to an external
> > > > module.
> > > >
> > > > But one thing is using a prefix for accessing top-level types and
> > > > groupings
> > > > (i.e. stuff in YANG modules), and another thing is accessing schema
> > > > nodes, which
> > > > have to be present in the schema tree. In complicated data models, it is
> > > > not
> > > > exactly easy to figure out all these dependencies.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > I do not agree these are different things.
> > > In both cases the prefix is used to determine the imported module that
> > > contains the identifier.
> > >
> > >
> > > > So maybe what is really overloaded are the namespace prefixes: they are
> > > > used for
> > > > addressing YANG modules, schema nodes and instances (in XPath).
> > > >
> > > > Lada
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Andy
> > >=C2=A0
> > > > > This proposal to add conformance info the the import-stmt would
> > > > overload it
> > > > > with
> > > > > another purpose.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not even a typedef is easy to classify=C2=A0 (e.g., leafref requires
> > > > implementation
> > > > > of a data node).
> > > > > I certainly agree that YANG conformance is poorly specified, poorly
> > > > > understood, and
> > > > > in real need of improvement. Likewise, the import-stmt is also in need
> > > > of some
> > > > > improvement
> > > > > since import-by-exact-revision is (and has always been) poorly
> > > > designed.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Lada
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Balazs
> > > > >
> > > > > Andy
> > > > >
> > > > >=C2=A0
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tai= l-f.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 2:38 PM
> > > > > > > To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <= balazs.len= gyel@ericsson.com>
> > > > > > > Cc: andy@yumaworks.com; lhotka@nic.cz; netmod@ietf.org
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a module
> > > > is
> > > > > > needed as
> > > > > > > import-only or as implemented
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I agree w/ Andy and others that we should not add this to the
> > > > import's
> > > > > > > description.=C2=A0 I don'= ;t think this kind of conformance text belongs
> > > > to the
> > > > > > > import's description.=C2= =A0 If you think it is important to state this,
> > > > the
> > > > > > best
> > > > > > > place is probably as plain text in the document itself.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > /martin
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel=3D40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > As a draft author who was asked to add text about the imports
> > > > IMHO
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0it would = be easy for me to remove the description from the
> > > > import.
> > > > > > > > Actually I really just want to know what is acceptable to the
> > > > group, so
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > can proceed
> > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0I also th= ink that adding this text is in most cases easy and
> > > > it does
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > need updates later.
> > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0The rules= in some cases might not be trivial.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0Imported = YAMs need to be implemented if
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0Imported = parts are included in Xpath (augment, when, must,
> > > > require-
> > > > > > > > instance)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0Imported = YAMs do not need to be implemented if only the
> > > > following
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > used
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0Types
> > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0Features<= br> > > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0extension= s
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0Ambiguous= if
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0groupings= are used
> > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0if the dependency is not formally defined by YANG, but
> > > > functionally
> > > > > > > > needed. (E.g. notification-capabilities does not formally need
> > > > YANG-
> > > > > > > > Push
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > be implemented, however there is no sense in defining
> > > > capabilities if
> > > > > > YANG-
> > > > > > > > Push is itself not implemented.)
> > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0deviation= ?
> > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0other cas= es ?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Regards Balazs
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >=C2=A0
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.= org> On Behalf Of Andy Bierman
> > > > > > > > Sent: 2019. december 19., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 17:23
> > > > > > > > To: Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@n= ic.cz>
> > > > > > > > Cc: NetMod WG <netmod@ietf.org>
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a
> > > > module is
> > > > > > > > needed as import-only or as implemented
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >=C2=A0
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >=C2=A0
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >=C2=A0
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 8:00 AM Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz
> > > > <mailto:
> > > > > > > > lhotka@nic.cz> > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Thu, 2019-12-19 at 07:52 +0000, Sch=C3=B6nw=C3=A4lder, J=C3=BCrgen wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 08:23:27AM +0100, Ladislav Lhotka
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > I don't see how YANG syntax defines this. If a module
> > > > imports
> > > > > > > > > > ietf-netconf- acm, it could be because
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > - it just uses a typedef, such as "node-instance-
> > > > identifier", and
> > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0ietf-netconf-acm needn't be implemented (but can be),=
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > - it augments ietf-netconf-acm, which makes sense only if
> > > > the latter
> > > > > > > > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0m= odule is implemented.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It it the YANG library that specifies whether a module is
> > > > > > > > > > implemented or not, but the "import" statement itself=
> > > > doesn't tell
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > anything.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Can we not assume that an implementor will figure out the
> > > > difference?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > An implementor should be able to figure it out, but other
> > > > potential
> > > > > > > > module users may not. For example, if somebody is evaluating
> > > > whether
> > > > > > > > to use a module for their device or not, it is important to know
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > NACM has to be implemented (or not).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >=C2=A0
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You seem to be talking about a new conformance documentation
> > > > procedure
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > that attempts to solve the problem "to use modules A, B, and C
> > > > > > > > together
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > to achieve some functionality X, all these conditions need to be
> > > > met"..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > (Sounds more like a problem for YANG Packages to solve)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >=C2=A0
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > IMO this is a much harder problem than something that can be
> > > > solved
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > with extra description-stmt text. The writer is likely to get it
> > > > wrong
> > > > > > > > or not
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > keep it up to date, so a tool to analyze the file seems like a
> > > > better
> > > > > > > > solution.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >=C2=A0
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Lada
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >=C2=A0
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >=C2=A0
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Andy
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >=C2=A0
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Or someone writes a pyang plugin to determine from the schema
> > > > tree
> > > > > > > > > the kind of imports there are (for a given set of features).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > /js
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Ladislav Lhotka
> > > > > > > > Head, CZ.NIC Labs
> > > > > > > > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > netmod mailing list
> > > > > > > > netmod@ietf.org <mailto:netmod@ietf.org>
> > > > > > > > http= s://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod
> > > > > > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Ladislav Lhotka
> > > > Head, CZ.NIC Labs
> > > > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > netmod mailing list
> > > > netmod@ietf.org
> > > > https://www.ietf.org/mai= lman/listinfo/netmod
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > netmod mailing list
> > > netmod@ietf.org
> > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/= listinfo/netmod
> >=C2=A0
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module is needed as import-only or as implemented X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2020 13:31:29 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01D5F2FA.BBDF0A40 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00B3_01D5F2FA.BBDF0A40" ------=_NextPart_001_00B3_01D5F2FA.BBDF0A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Putting this information on individual schema nodes can be a problem if = a module uses imported items a lot. We have modules with 100+ schema = nodes that use an import, while there are only 7 modules imported. = Adding the statement (mandatory/optional to implement) 100 times would = be a lot of text. I also doubt that people will check all 100 places. IMHO alternatives a) or b) are feasible. (I like a) the best) Regards Balazs =20 From: netmod On Behalf Of Andy Bierman Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 3., kedd 17:14 To: Benoit Claise Cc: NETMOD WG Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a module is = needed as import-only or as implemented =20 =20 =20 On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 12:45 AM Benoit Claise > wrote: Hi, =20 =20 On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:23 AM Ladislav Lhotka > wrote: On Mon, 2020-03-02 at 09:52 -0800, Andy Bierman wrote: >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 8:57 AM Benoit Claise > wrote: > > Sorry to resurrect this old email thread. > > To me, it's an important piece of information to know that = ietf-netconf-acm > > is optional to implement. > >=20 > > It seems that we have 3 potential places where to insert this = information > > 1. The associated document. We could and should insert it into the = RFC text. > > Drawback: Somehow the YANG module is looked at independently of = the > > associated document > > 2. import-stmt: people on the list apparently don't like this > > 3. module description? What harm would it do if the description = could > > contain this info? > >=20 > >=20 >=20 > IMO it makes more sense to summarize the imported modules that need to = be > implemented > and not mention the ones that are not required. The module = description-stmt > is better > than each import. (YANG 1.1 allows the same module to be imported = multiple > times). Modules that have to be implemented can be imported only once. Adding = this information to the import statement for such modules is IMO more = effective than having it in the module description. I don't get how it could become a = problem. =20 I do not think this info helps very much. It is duplicate info. It should be in the description-stmts for the objects defined in the = module. Well, I had in mind the module description The "description-stmts for the objects defined in the module" is yet = another place. =20 =20 The object descriptions are the correct level of granularity to be = useful. A boolean statement wrt/ module implementation is required vs not = required is not very useful. Rarely is the entire module either fully required or nothing to = implement at all. =20 IMO it is wrong to conflate the import-stmt with conformance = requirements. It is merely a mechanism to bind local prefix usage to an external = module. Text like "revision X or derived from X is required" is appropriate for = the import-stmt because it refers to the binding between prefix and imported module revision = used. =20 Consider how this extra documentation work scales to a big module like = ietf-bgp. There are multiple submodules, each with overlapping imports and each = with their own module header. =20 =20 Andy =20 It is also self-evident (and defined in YANG) that if you augment some = external node you have to implement the augmented module. =20 This is the classic definition of a CLR. =20 Lada =20 =20 Trying to decompose the problem space .... I believe it's common sense to include in the RFC text that = ietf-netconf-acm is optional to implement (to take the example in = question in = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-= 11) Do we agree that this information should also be contained somewhere, = somehow in the YANG module? I would say: yes If yes, what are the options? I agree with Juergen (in a reply in this email thread): ideally a = tooling answer would be better. This will take some time. So what do we = do now? 3 options: a. import description (description-stmt in import-stmt)=20 module ietf-system-capabilities { yang-version 1.1; namespace "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-system-capabilities"; prefix sysc; =20 import ietf-netconf-acm=20 { prefix nacm; } description "ietf-netconf-acm is optional to implement."; } b. module description (description-stmt in meta-stmts in = module-stmt/submodule-stmt) module ietf-system-capabilities { yang-version 1.1; namespace "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-system-capabilities"; prefix sysc; =20 import ietf-netconf-acm { prefix nacm; } =20 import ietf-yang-library { prefix yanglib; description "Revision 2019-01-04 or a revision derived from it is REQUIRED."; } =20 organization "IETF NETCONF (Network Configuration) Working Group"; contact "WG Web: WG List: =20 Editor: Balazs Lengyel = "; description "This module specifies a module intended to contain system capabilities. System capabilities may include capabilities of a NETCONF or RESTCONF server or a notification publisher. =20 ... =20 =20 ietf-netconf-acm is optional to implement." c. description-stmts for the objects defined in the module leaf node-selector {=20 type nacm:node-instance-identifier; description "Selects the data nodes for which capabilities are specified. The special value '/' denotes all data nodes in the datastore. ietf-netconf-acm is optional to = implement."; } c. looks weird to me, and might need repetitions in different YANG = objects. In the end, as an implementer, I only care to understand = whether I need to implement "ietf-netconf-acm" as a prequesite to = implement ietf-system-capabilities.=20 Between a. and b., I have no strong preferences. However, a. seems to be the logical place to me. Regards, Benoit > =20 > > Regards, Benoit > >=20 >=20 > Andy > =20 > > >=20 > > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 5:44 AM Ladislav Lhotka > wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2020-01-08 at 04:49 -0800, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > > >=20 > > > > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 1:11 AM Ladislav Lhotka > wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, 2020-01-07 at 14:29 +0000, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = wrote: > > > > > > > If that is the consensus, I can remove the description = statements, > > > > no big > > > > > > > deal. (I actually like the statements, but they are not = important > > > > for this > > > > > > > draft) > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > Of course, it is not that important, but I don't see how = this > > > > information > > > > > > could > > > > > > be harmful, if it is included with the import. In my view, = it is not > > > > meant > > > > > > as a > > > > > > conformance requirement but just an info from the module = author > > > > about the > > > > > > meaning of the import statement. > > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > It adds a lot of extra work but more importantly the = import-stmt is > > > > the wrong > > > > > place > > > >=20 > > > > What work do you mean? I thought that it would be just info for > > > > potential > > > > developers (or their managers) that implementing the module = requires > > > > implementing other modules and functionality - or not.=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > It is duplication because the individual data-def statements = should have > > > any notes > > > about implementation requirements. The duplication may even be = wrong. > > > E.g., in the module it says NACM is not required, but what if some = objects > > > have NACM requirements listed in the Security Considerations = section? > > > That is the RFC section to discuss NACM requirements. > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > > For example, if a module imports ietf-netconf-nacm only for = using "node- > > > > instance-identifier" type, it is relatively uninteresting. = Otherwise, > > > > implementation of the module may just be out of question. > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > > to document such a complex and unrelated issue as server = conformance > > > > > requirements. > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > > The root of this problem (and design flaw of YANG, IMO) is = that > > > > import is > > > > > > "overloaded" with two different purposes, one of which = effectively > > > > requires > > > > > > that > > > > > > the imported module be also implemented, while the other = doesn't. > > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > The import-stmt is only used to map a local prefix to an = external > > > > module. > > > >=20 > > > > But one thing is using a prefix for accessing top-level types = and > > > > groupings > > > > (i.e. stuff in YANG modules), and another thing is accessing = schema > > > > nodes, which > > > > have to be present in the schema tree. In complicated data = models, it is > > > > not > > > > exactly easy to figure out all these dependencies. > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > I do not agree these are different things. > > > In both cases the prefix is used to determine the imported module = that > > > contains the identifier. > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > > So maybe what is really overloaded are the namespace prefixes: = they are > > > > used for > > > > addressing YANG modules, schema nodes and instances (in XPath).=20 > > > >=20 > > > > Lada > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Andy > > > =20 > > > > > This proposal to add conformance info the the import-stmt = would > > > > overload it > > > > > with > > > > > another purpose. > > > > >=20 > > > > > Not even a typedef is easy to classify (e.g., leafref = requires > > > > implementation > > > > > of a data node). > > > > > I certainly agree that YANG conformance is poorly specified, = poorly > > > > > understood, and > > > > > in real need of improvement. Likewise, the import-stmt is also = in need > > > > of some > > > > > improvement > > > > > since import-by-exact-revision is (and has always been) poorly > > > > designed. > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > > Lada > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > Balazs > > > > >=20 > > > > > Andy > > > > >=20 > > > > > =20 > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Martin Bjorklund >=20 > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 2:38 PM > > > > > > > To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel > > > > > > > > Cc: andy@yumaworks.com ; = lhotka@nic.cz ; netmod@ietf.org = =20 > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a = module > > > > is > > > > > > needed as > > > > > > > import-only or as implemented > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > I agree w/ Andy and others that we should not add this to = the > > > > import's > > > > > > > description. I don't think this kind of conformance text = belongs > > > > to the > > > > > > > import's description. If you think it is important to = state this, > > > > the > > > > > > best > > > > > > > place is probably as plain text in the document itself. > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > As a draft author who was asked to add text about the = imports > > > > IMHO > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > * it would be easy for me to remove the description = from the > > > > import. > > > > > > > > Actually I really just want to know what is acceptable = to the > > > > group, so > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > can proceed > > > > > > > > * I also think that adding this text is in most cases = easy and > > > > it does > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > need updates later. > > > > > > > > * The rules in some cases might not be trivial. > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > * Imported YAMs need to be implemented if > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > * Imported parts are included in Xpath (augment, when, = must, > > > > require- > > > > > > > > instance) > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > * Imported YAMs do not need to be implemented if only = the > > > > following > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > * Types > > > > > > > > * Features > > > > > > > > * extensions > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > * Ambiguous if > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > * groupings are used > > > > > > > > * if the dependency is not formally defined by YANG, = but > > > > functionally > > > > > > > > needed. (E.g. notification-capabilities does not = formally need > > > > YANG- > > > > > > > > Push=20 > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > be implemented, however there is no sense in defining > > > > capabilities if > > > > > > YANG- > > > > > > > > Push is itself not implemented.) > > > > > > > > * deviation ? > > > > > > > > * other cases ? > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > Regards Balazs > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > =20 > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > From: netmod > On Behalf Of Andy Bierman > > > > > > > > Sent: 2019. december 19., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 17:23 > > > > > > > > To: Ladislav Lhotka > > > > > > > > > Cc: NetMod WG = > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether = a > > > > module is=20 > > > > > > > > needed as import-only or as implemented > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > =20 > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > =20 > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > =20 > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 8:00 AM Ladislav Lhotka = =20 > > > > =20 > > > > > > > > lhotka@nic.cz > > wrote: > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2019-12-19 at 07:52 +0000, = Sch=C3=B6nw=C3=A4lder, J=C3=BCrgen wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 08:23:27AM +0100, Ladislav = Lhotka > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I don't see how YANG syntax defines this. If a = module > > > > imports=20 > > > > > > > > > > ietf-netconf- acm, it could be because > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > - it just uses a typedef, such as "node-instance- > > > > identifier", and > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > ietf-netconf-acm needn't be implemented (but can = be), > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > - it augments ietf-netconf-acm, which makes sense = only if > > > > the latter > > > > > > > > > > module is implemented. > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > It it the YANG library that specifies whether a = module is=20 > > > > > > > > > > implemented or not, but the "import" statement = itself > > > > doesn't tell > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > anything. > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > Can we not assume that an implementor will figure out = the > > > > difference? > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > An implementor should be able to figure it out, but = other > > > > potential=20 > > > > > > > > module users may not. For example, if somebody is = evaluating > > > > whether=20 > > > > > > > > to use a module for their device or not, it is important = to know > > > > that=20 > > > > > > > > NACM has to be implemented (or not). > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > =20 > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > You seem to be talking about a new conformance = documentation > > > > procedure > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > that attempts to solve the problem "to use modules A, B, = and C=20 > > > > > > > > together > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > to achieve some functionality X, all these conditions = need to be > > > > met".. > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > (Sounds more like a problem for YANG Packages to solve) > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > =20 > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > IMO this is a much harder problem than something that = can be > > > > solved > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > with extra description-stmt text. The writer is likely = to get it > > > > wrong=20 > > > > > > > > or not > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > keep it up to date, so a tool to analyze the file seems = like a > > > > better > > > > > > > > solution. > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > =20 > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > Lada > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > =20 > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > =20 > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > =20 > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > Or someone writes a pyang plugin to determine from the = schema > > > > tree=20 > > > > > > > > > the kind of imports there are (for a given set of = features). > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > /js > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Ladislav Lhotka > > > > > > > > Head, CZ.NIC Labs > > > > > > > > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > netmod mailing list > > > > > > > > netmod@ietf.org = >=20 > > > > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > --=20 > > > > Ladislav Lhotka > > > > Head, CZ.NIC Labs > > > > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 > > > >=20 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > netmod mailing list > > > > netmod@ietf.org =20 > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > netmod mailing list > > > netmod@ietf.org =20 > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > =20 --=20 Ladislav Lhotka Head, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_00B3_01D5F2FA.BBDF0A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

Putting this = information on individual schema nodes can be a problem if a module uses = imported items a lot. We have modules with 100+ schema nodes that use an = import, while =C2=A0there are only 7 modules imported. Adding the = statement (mandatory/optional to implement) 100 times would be a lot of = text. I also doubt that people will check all 100 = places.

IMHO alternatives a) or b) = are feasible. (I like a) the best)

Regards Balazs

 

From: = netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Andy = Bierman
Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 3., kedd 17:14
To: = Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com>
Cc: NETMOD WG = <netmod@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import = to indicate whether a module is needed as import-only or as = implemented

 

 

 

On = Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 12:45 AM Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com> = wrote:

Hi,

 

 

On = Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:23 AM Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz> = wrote:

On Mon, 2020-03-02 at 09:52 -0800, Andy = Bierman wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 8:57 AM = Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com> wrote:
> > Sorry to = resurrect this old email thread.
> > To me, it's an important = piece of information to know that ietf-netconf-acm
> > is = optional to implement.
> >
> > It seems that we have = 3 potential places where to insert this information
> > 1. The = associated document. We could and should insert it into the RFC = text.
> >     Drawback: Somehow the YANG module = is looked at independently of the
> > associated = document
> > 2. import-stmt: people on the list apparently = don't like this
> > 3. module description? What harm would it = do if the description could
> > contain this info?
> > =
> >
>
> IMO it makes more sense to summarize the = imported modules that need to be
> implemented
> and not = mention the ones that are not required.  The module = description-stmt
> is better
> than each import. (YANG 1.1 = allows the same module to be imported multiple
> = times).

Modules that have to be implemented can be imported only = once. Adding this
information to the import statement for such = modules is IMO more effective than
having it in the module = description. I don't get how it could become a = problem.

 

I = do not think this info helps very much. It is duplicate = info.

It should be in the = description-stmts for the objects defined in the = module.

Well, I had in mind the module description
The = "description-stmts for the objects defined in the module" is = yet another place.

 

 

The object descriptions are the correct level of = granularity to be useful.

A boolean statement wrt/ module implementation is = required vs not required is not very useful.

Rarely is the entire module either fully required or = nothing to implement at all.

 

IMO it is wrong to conflate the import-stmt with = conformance requirements.

It is merely a mechanism to bind local prefix usage to = an external module.

Text like "revision X or derived from X is = required" is appropriate for the import-stmt = because

it refers to the = binding between prefix and imported module revision = used.

 

Consider how this extra documentation work scales to a = big module like ietf-bgp.

There are multiple submodules, each with overlapping = imports and each with their own module = header.

 

 

Andy

 

It is also self-evident (and defined in YANG) that if = you augment some external node

you have to implement the augmented = module.

 

 This is the classic definition of a = CLR.

 

Lada

 

 

Trying to decompose the problem space ....
I = believe it's common sense to include in the RFC text that = ietf-netconf-acm is optional to implement (to take the example in = question in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-notifica= tion-capabilities-11)
Do we agree that this information should = also be contained somewhere, somehow in the YANG module? I would say: = yes

If yes, what are the options?
I agree with Juergen (in a = reply in this email thread): ideally a tooling answer would be better. = This will take some time. So what do we do now?
3 options:
a. = import description (description-stmt in import-stmt) = 

module =
ietf-system-capabilities {
=C2=A0 yang-version =
1.1;
=C2=A0 =
namespace
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-system-capabilities";
=C2=A0 prefix =
sysc;
 
=C2=A0 import =
ietf-netconf-acm 
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0{ prefix =
nacm; }
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 description =
"ietf-netconf-acm is optional to =
implement.";
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
}


b. module = description (description-stmt in  meta-stmts in = module-stmt/submodule-stmt)

module =
ietf-system-capabilities {
=C2=A0 yang-version =
1.1;
=C2=A0 =
namespace
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-system-capabilities";
=C2=A0 prefix =
sysc;
 
=C2=A0 import =
ietf-netconf-acm { prefix nacm; =
}
 
=C2=A0 import =
ietf-yang-library {
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 prefix =
yanglib;
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 description =
"Revision 2019-01-04 or =
a
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 revision derived =
from it is REQUIRED.";
=C2=A0 =
}
 
=C2=A0 =
organization
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 "IETF NETCONF =
(Network Configuration) Working Group";
=C2=A0 =
contact
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 "WG =
Web:=C2=A0=C2=A0 <https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/netconf/>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 WG List:=C2=A0 <mailto:netconf@ietf.org>
 
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
Editor:=C2=A0=C2=A0 Balazs =
Lengyel
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>";
=C2=A0 =
description
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 "This module =
specifies a module intended to contain =
system
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 capabilities. =
System capabilities may include capabilities of =
a
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 NETCONF or =
RESTCONF server or a notification =
publisher.
 
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
...
 
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 =

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0ietf-netconf=
-acm is optional to implement."

c. description-stmts = for the objects defined in the module

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 leaf node-selector { =

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0type =
nacm:node-instance-identifier;
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
description
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 "Selects the data nodes for =
which capabilities =
are
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 specified. The special value '/' =
denotes all data =
nodes
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 in the datastore. =
ietf-netconf-acm is optional to =
implement.";
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0}


c. looks weird to me, and might need repetitions = in different YANG objects. In the end, as an implementer, I only care to = understand whether I need to implement "ietf-netconf-acm" as a = prequesite to implement ietf-system-capabilities.

Between a. and = b., I have no strong preferences.
However, a. seems to be the logical = place to me.

Regards, Benoit


> 
> > Regards, = Benoit
> >
>
> Andy
> 
> > = >
> > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 5:44 AM Ladislav Lhotka = <lhotka@nic.cz> wrote:
> > > > On = Wed, 2020-01-08 at 04:49 -0800, Andy Bierman wrote:
> > > = > >
> > > > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 1:11 AM = Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz> wrote:
> > > > = > > On Tue, 2020-01-07 at 14:29 +0000, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = wrote:
> > > > > > > If that is the consensus, I = can remove the description statements,
> > > > no = big
> > > > > > > deal. (I actually like the = statements, but they are not important
> > > > for = this
> > > > > > > draft)
> > > > = > >
> > > > > > Of course, it is not that = important, but I don't see how this
> > > > = information
> > > > > > could
> > > = > > > be harmful, if it is included with the import. In my = view, it is not
> > > > meant
> > > > > = > as a
> > > > > > conformance requirement but = just an info from the module author
> > > > about = the
> > > > > > meaning of the import = statement.
> > > > > >
> > > > > =
> > > > > It adds a lot of extra work but more = importantly the import-stmt is
> > > > the wrong
> = > > > > place
> > > >
> > > > = What work do you mean? I thought that it would be just info for
> = > > > potential
> > > > developers (or their = managers) that implementing the module requires
> > > > = implementing other modules and functionality - or not.
> > = > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > =
> > > It is duplication because the individual data-def = statements should have
> > > any notes
> > > = about implementation requirements. The duplication may even be = wrong.
> > > E.g., in the module it says NACM is not = required, but what if some objects
> > > have NACM = requirements listed in the Security Considerations section?
> > = > That is the RFC section to discuss NACM requirements.
> > = >
> > >
> > > > For example, if a module = imports ietf-netconf-nacm only for using "node-
> > > = > instance-identifier" type, it is relatively uninteresting. = Otherwise,
> > > > implementation of the module may just = be out of question.
> > > >
> > > > =
> > > > > to document such a complex and unrelated = issue as server conformance
> > > > > = requirements.
> > > > >
> > > > > =
> > > > > > The root of this problem (and design = flaw of YANG, IMO) is that
> > > > import is
> > = > > > > "overloaded" with two different purposes, = one of which effectively
> > > > requires
> > = > > > > that
> > > > > > the imported = module be also implemented, while the other doesn't.
> > > = > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > = The import-stmt is only used to map a local prefix to an = external
> > > > module.
> > > >
> = > > > But one thing is using a prefix for accessing top-level = types and
> > > > groupings
> > > > (i.e. = stuff in YANG modules), and another thing is accessing schema
> = > > > nodes, which
> > > > have to be present in = the schema tree. In complicated data models, it is
> > > = > not
> > > > exactly easy to figure out all these = dependencies.
> > > >
> > > >
> = > >
> > > I do not agree these are different = things.
> > > In both cases the prefix is used to determine = the imported module that
> > > contains the = identifier.
> > >
> > >
> > > > = So maybe what is really overloaded are the namespace prefixes: they = are
> > > > used for
> > > > addressing = YANG modules, schema nodes and instances (in XPath).
> > > = >
> > > > Lada
> > > >
> > = >
> > >
> > > Andy
> > >  =
> > > > > This proposal to add conformance info the = the import-stmt would
> > > > overload it
> > = > > > with
> > > > > another purpose.
> = > > > >
> > > > > Not even a typedef is = easy to classify  (e.g., leafref requires
> > > > = implementation
> > > > > of a data node).
> > = > > > I certainly agree that YANG conformance is poorly = specified, poorly
> > > > > understood, and
> = > > > > in real need of improvement. Likewise, the = import-stmt is also in need
> > > > of some
> > = > > > improvement
> > > > > since = import-by-exact-revision is (and has always been) poorly
> > = > > designed.
> > > > >
> > > > = >
> > > > > > Lada
> > > > > = >
> > > > > > > Balazs
> > > = > >
> > > > > Andy
> > > > > =
> > > > > 
> > > > > > = > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > = From: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com>
> > > > > = > > Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 2:38 PM
> > > > = > > > To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>
> > > = > > > > Cc: andy@yumaworks.com; lhotka@nic.cz; netmod@ietf.org
> > > > > > = > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a = module
> > > > is
> > > > > > needed = as
> > > > > > > import-only or as = implemented
> > > > > > >
> > > = > > > > Hi
> > > > > > >
> = > > > > > > I agree w/ Andy and others that we should = not add this to the
> > > > import's
> > > = > > > > description.  I don't think this kind of = conformance text belongs
> > > > to the
> > > = > > > > import's description.  If you think it is = important to state this,
> > > > the
> > > = > > > best
> > > > > > > place is = probably as plain text in the document itself.
> > > > = > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > = > > > >
> > > > > > > = /martin
> > > > > > >
> > > > = > > >
> > > > > > > Bal=C3=A1zs = Lengyel <balazs.lengyel=3D40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
> > = > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > As a draft = author who was asked to add text about the imports
> > > = > IMHO
> > > > > > > >
> > > = > > > > > *   it would be easy for me to remove = the description from the
> > > > import.
> > = > > > > > > Actually I really just want to know what = is acceptable to the
> > > > group, so
> > > = > > > I
> > > > > > > > can = proceed
> > > > > > > > *   I also = think that adding this text is in most cases easy and
> > > = > it does
> > > > > > not
> > > > = > > > > need updates later.
> > > > > > = > > *   The rules in some cases might not be = trivial.
> > > > > > > >
> > > = > > > > > *   Imported YAMs need to be = implemented if
> > > > > > > >
> > = > > > > > > *   Imported parts are included = in Xpath (augment, when, must,
> > > > require-
> = > > > > > > > instance)
> > > > > = > > >
> > > > > > > > *  =  Imported YAMs do not need to be implemented if only the
> = > > > following
> > > > > > are
> = > > > > > > > used
> > > > > > = > >
> > > > > > > > *  =  Types
> > > > > > > > *  =  Features
> > > > > > > > *  =  extensions
> > > > > > > >
> = > > > > > > > *   Ambiguous if
> = > > > > > > >
> > > > > > = > > *   groupings are used
> > > > > = > > > *   if the dependency is not formally defined = by YANG, but
> > > > functionally
> > > > = > > > > needed. (E.g. notification-capabilities does not = formally need
> > > > YANG-
> > > > > = > > > Push
> > > > > > to
> > = > > > > > > be implemented, however there is no sense = in defining
> > > > capabilities if
> > > = > > > YANG-
> > > > > > > > Push is = itself not implemented.)
> > > > > > > > = *   deviation ?
> > > > > > > > = *   other cases ?
> > > > > > > > =
> > > > > > > > Regards Balazs
> > = > > > > > >
> > > > > > > = > 
> > > > > > > >
> > = > > > > > > From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Andy = Bierman
> > > > > > > > Sent: 2019. december = 19., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 17:23
> > > > > > = > > To: Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz>
> > > > > > = > > Cc: NetMod WG <netmod@ietf.org>
> > > > > = > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether = a
> > > > module is
> > > > > > = > > needed as import-only or as implemented
> > > > = > > > >
> > > > > > > >  =
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > = > > > 
> > > > > > > > =
> > > > > > > > 
> > > = > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On = Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 8:00 AM Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz
> > > > <mailto:
> > > > > > > = > lhotka@nic.cz> > wrote:
> > > = > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On = Thu, 2019-12-19 at 07:52 +0000, Sch=C3=B6nw=C3=A4lder, J=C3=BCrgen = wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, = 2019 at 08:23:27AM +0100, Ladislav Lhotka
> > > > = wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > I don't see = how YANG syntax defines this. If a module
> > > > imports =
> > > > > > > > > > ietf-netconf- acm, = it could be because
> > > > > > > > > > =
> > > > > > > > > > - it just uses a = typedef, such as "node-instance-
> > > > = identifier", and
> > > > > > then
> > = > > > > > > > >   ietf-netconf-acm = needn't be implemented (but can be),
> > > > > > = > > > >
> > > > > > > > > = > or
> > > > > > > > > >
> = > > > > > > > > > - it augments = ietf-netconf-acm, which makes sense only if
> > > > the = latter
> > > > > > > > > >  =  module is implemented.
> > > > > > > > = > >
> > > > > > > > > > It it = the YANG library that specifies whether a module is
> > > = > > > > > > > implemented or not, but the = "import" statement itself
> > > > doesn't = tell
> > > > > > you
> > > > > = > > > > > anything.
> > > > > > > = > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> = > > > > > > > > Can we not assume that an = implementor will figure out the
> > > > = difference?
> > > > > > > >
> > = > > > > > > An implementor should be able to figure it = out, but other
> > > > potential
> > > > = > > > > module users may not. For example, if somebody is = evaluating
> > > > whether
> > > > > = > > > to use a module for their device or not, it is important = to know
> > > > that
> > > > > > = > > NACM has to be implemented (or not).
> > > > = > > > >
> > > > > > > >  =
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > = > > > You seem to be talking about a new conformance = documentation
> > > > procedure
> > > > = > > > >
> > > > > > > > that = attempts to solve the problem "to use modules A, B, and C
> = > > > > > > > together
> > > > > = > > >
> > > > > > > > to achieve = some functionality X, all these conditions need to be
> > > = > met"..
> > > > > > > >
> = > > > > > > > (Sounds more like a problem for YANG = Packages to solve)
> > > > > > > >
> = > > > > > > > 
> > > > > = > > >
> > > > > > > > IMO this is a = much harder problem than something that can be
> > > > = solved
> > > > > > > >
> > > = > > > > > with extra description-stmt text. The writer is = likely to get it
> > > > wrong
> > > > = > > > > or not
> > > > > > > > =
> > > > > > > > keep it up to date, so a = tool to analyze the file seems like a
> > > > = better
> > > > > > > > solution.
> > = > > > > > >
> > > > > > > = > 
> > > > > > > >
> > = > > > > > > Lada
> > > > > > > = >
> > > > > > > > 
> > = > > > > > >
> > > > > > > = > 
> > > > > > > >
> > = > > > > > > Andy
> > > > > > > = >
> > > > > > > > 
> > = > > > > > >
> > > > > > > = >
> > > > > > > > > Or someone writes = a pyang plugin to determine from the schema
> > > > tree =
> > > > > > > > > the kind of imports = there are (for a given set of features).
> > > > > = > > > >
> > > > > > > > > = /js
> > > > > > > > >
> > > = > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > = Ladislav Lhotka
> > > > > > > > Head, CZ.NIC = Labs
> > > > > > > > PGP Key ID: = 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67
> > > > > > > >
> = > > > > > > > = _______________________________________________
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>= ; > > > > > > >
> > > > --
> = > > > Ladislav Lhotka
> > > > Head, CZ.NIC = Labs
> > > > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67
> > = > >
> > > > = _______________________________________________
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>= ; > > >
> > >
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Mar 2020 13:36:30 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_00B9_01D5F2FB.71078910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft Balazs Lengyel -----Original Message----- From: Benoit Claise =20 Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 3., kedd 19:22 To: Lou Berger ; jclarke@cisco.com; rrahman@cisco.com; = rwilton@cisco.com; Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel ; = jason.sterne@nokia.com; kd6913@att.com Cc: netmod-ver-dt@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: Regarding IPR on = draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01 Hi, No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft Regards, B. > > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of preparation for WG Adoption: > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As one of the authors/contributors I support adoption. Balazs =20 From: netmod On Behalf Of Lou Berger Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 2., h=C3=A9tf=C5=91 23:30 To: NETMOD Group Cc: netmod-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [netmod] Adoption of versioning design team docs =20 Hi, We'd like to start a two week adoption call for the set of documents = described below by Rob. To be specific, this includes 1) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03 2) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01 3) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01 4) draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03 5) draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 6) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00 =20 The adoption call ends in two weeks, on March 16. =20 =20 Please voice your support or objections on list. While we prefer to = adopt as a set, objections on specific documents are acceptable. =20 Netmod Chairs =20 On 2/29/2020 2:21 AM, Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote: Netmod chairs, =20 The version selection draft draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 is = now posted. With that, the YANG versioning design team would like to = please request you make an WG adoption call for these documents. =20 The updated full list is: =20 1) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03 - Solution overview, updated since 106 to cover updates to version = selection and schema comparison drafts. =20 2) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01 - Base module versioning solution, unchanged from the version = presented at 106. =20 3) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01 - YANG Semantic version numbers, unchanged from the version presented = at 106. =20 4) draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03 - YANG packages draft, updated since 106 =20 5) draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 - Version selection, updated since 106, as per notes below =20 6) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00 - Schema comparison tooling, unchanged from the version presented at = 106. =20 The main changes to the version selection draft are: - We have tried to simplify the model, but at the same time give = servers more flexibility about how they implement version selection and = what it can be used for. E.g. if the server wants to allow a client to = choose between different schema versions, but require that all clients = use the same schema version, that is now possible - The draft explicitly disallows schema-selection happening = mid-session - The solution allows the server to require clients to configure = schema-sets before they are used - The solution provides more information about which schema-sets are = compatible with each other =20 Regards, Rob =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0148_01D5F30C.46A82740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As one of the authors/contributors I support = adoption.

Balazs

 

From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> On = Behalf Of Lou Berger
Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 2., = h=C3=A9tf=C5=91 23:30
To: NETMOD Group = <netmod@ietf.org>
Cc: = netmod-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [netmod] Adoption of = versioning design team docs

 

Hi,
We'd=
 like to start a two week adoption call for the set of documents =
described below by Rob.=C2=A0 To be specific, this =
includes
1) =
draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03
2) =
draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01
3) =
draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01
4) =
draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03
5) =
draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02
6) =
draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00
&n=
bsp;
The adoption call ends in two weeks, on March =
16.=C2=A0 
 
Please voice =
your support or objections on list.=C2=A0 While we prefer to adopt as a =
set, objections on specific documents are =
acceptable.
 
Netmod =
Chairs
 
On 2/29/2020 =
2:21 AM, Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote:
Netmod =
chairs,
 
The version =
selection draft draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 is now =
posted.=C2=A0 With that, the YANG versioning design team would like to =
please request you make an WG adoption call for these =
documents.
 
The updated =
full list is:
 
1) =
draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03
=C2=A0 - =
Solution overview, updated since 106 to cover updates to version =
selection and schema comparison =
drafts.
 
2) =
draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01
=C2=A0 =
- Base module versioning solution, unchanged from the version presented =
at 106.
 
3) =
draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01
=C2=A0 - YANG =
Semantic version numbers, unchanged from the version presented at =
106.
 
4) =
draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03
=C2=A0 - YANG =
packages draft, updated since 106
=C2=A0 =

5) =
draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02
=C2=A0 - =
Version selection, updated since 106, as per notes =
below
 
6) =
draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00
=C2=A0 =
- Schema comparison tooling, unchanged from the version presented at =
106.
 
The main changes =
to the version selection draft are:
=C2=A0 - We =
have tried to simplify the model, but at the same time give servers more =
flexibility about how they implement version selection and what it can =
be used for.=C2=A0 E.g. if the server wants to allow a client to choose =
between different schema versions, but require that all clients use the =
same schema version, that is now possible
=C2=A0 - =
The draft explicitly disallows schema-selection happening =
mid-session
=C2=A0 - The solution allows the server =
to require clients to configure schema-sets before they are =
used
=C2=A0 - The solution provides more =
information about which schema-sets are compatible with each =
other
 
Regards,
Rob
 
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07:42:49 -0800 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Bal=C3=A1zs_Lengyel?= Cc: Benoit Claise , NETMOD WG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004b727705a01d64d4" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a module is needed as import-only or as implemented X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2020 15:43:07 -0000 --0000000000004b727705a01d64d4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 5:31 AM Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel wrote: > Hello, > > Putting this information on individual schema nodes can be a problem if a > module uses imported items a lot. We have modules with 100+ schema nodes > that use an import, while there are only 7 modules imported. Adding the > statement (mandatory/optional to implement) 100 times would be a lot of > text. I also doubt that people will check all 100 places. > > IMHO alternatives a) or b) are feasible. (I like a) the best) > This is a strawman -- nobody suggested duplicating the same text over and over in data nodes. The same issue exists with the reference-stmt. We don't require (or encourage) people to place a reference to an external RFC on every leaf. The same judgement can be used here. > Regards Balazs > > Andy > > > *From:* netmod *On Behalf Of *Andy Bierman > *Sent:* 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 3., kedd 17:14 > *To:* Benoit Claise > *Cc:* NETMOD WG > *Subject:* Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a module is > needed as import-only or as implemented > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 12:45 AM Benoit Claise wrote: > > Hi, > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:23 AM Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > On Mon, 2020-03-02 at 09:52 -0800, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 8:57 AM Benoit Claise wrote: > > > Sorry to resurrect this old email thread. > > > To me, it's an important piece of information to know that > ietf-netconf-acm > > > is optional to implement. > > > > > > It seems that we have 3 potential places where to insert this > information > > > 1. The associated document. We could and should insert it into the RF= C > text. > > > Drawback: Somehow the YANG module is looked at independently of t= he > > > associated document > > > 2. import-stmt: people on the list apparently don't like this > > > 3. module description? What harm would it do if the description could > > > contain this info? > > > > > > > > > > IMO it makes more sense to summarize the imported modules that need to = be > > implemented > > and not mention the ones that are not required. The module > description-stmt > > is better > > than each import. (YANG 1.1 allows the same module to be imported > multiple > > times). > > Modules that have to be implemented can be imported only once. Adding thi= s > information to the import statement for such modules is IMO more effectiv= e > than > having it in the module description. I don't get how it could become a > problem. > > > > I do not think this info helps very much. It is duplicate info. > > It should be in the description-stmts for the objects defined in the > module. > > Well, I had in mind the module description > The "description-stmts for the objects defined in the module" is yet > another place. > > > > > > The object descriptions are the correct level of granularity to be useful= . > > A boolean statement wrt/ module implementation is required vs not require= d > is not very useful. > > Rarely is the entire module either fully required or nothing to implement > at all. > > > > IMO it is wrong to conflate the import-stmt with conformance requirements= . > > It is merely a mechanism to bind local prefix usage to an external module= . > > Text like "revision X or derived from X is required" is appropriate for > the import-stmt because > > it refers to the binding between prefix and imported module revision used= . > > > > Consider how this extra documentation work scales to a big module like > ietf-bgp. > > There are multiple submodules, each with overlapping imports and each wit= h > their own module header. > > > > > > Andy > > > > It is also self-evident (and defined in YANG) that if you augment some > external node > > you have to implement the augmented module. > > > > This is the classic definition of a CLR. > > > > Lada > > > > > > Trying to decompose the problem space .... > I believe it's common sense to include in the RFC text that > ietf-netconf-acm is optional to implement (to take the example in questio= n > in > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-= 11 > ) > Do we agree that this information should also be contained somewhere, > somehow in the YANG module? I would say: yes > > If yes, what are the options? > I agree with Juergen (in a reply in this email thread): ideally a tooling > answer would be better. This will take some time. So what do we do now? > 3 options: > a. import description (description-stmt in import-stmt) > > module ietf-system-capabilities { > > yang-version 1.1; > > namespace > > "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-system-capabilities"; > > prefix sysc; > > > > import ietf-netconf-acm > > { prefix nacm; } > > description "*ietf-netconf-acm is optional to implement*."; > > } > > > b. module description (description-stmt in meta-stmts in > module-stmt/submodule-stmt) > > module ietf-system-capabilities { > > yang-version 1.1; > > namespace > > "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-system-capabilities"; > > prefix sysc; > > > > import ietf-netconf-acm { prefix nacm; } > > > > import ietf-yang-library { > > prefix yanglib; > > description "Revision 2019-01-04 or a > > revision derived from it is REQUIRED."; > > } > > > > organization > > "IETF NETCONF (Network Configuration) Working Group"; > > contact > > "WG Web: > > WG List: > > > > Editor: Balazs Lengyel > > "; > > description > > "This module specifies a module intended to contain system > > capabilities. System capabilities may include capabilities of a > > NETCONF or RESTCONF server or a notification publisher. > > > > ... > > > > > > *ietf-netconf-acm is optional to implement."* > > c. description-stmts for the objects defined in the module > > leaf node-selector { > > type nacm:node-instance-identifier; > > description > > "Selects the data nodes for which capabilities are > > specified. The special value '/' denotes all data nodes > > in the datastore. *ietf-netconf-acm is optional to impleme= nt.*"; > > } > > > c. looks weird to me, and might need repetitions in different YANG > objects. In the end, as an implementer, I only care to understand whether= I > need to implement "ietf-netconf-acm" as a prequesite to implement > ietf-system-capabilities. > > Between a. and b., I have no strong preferences. > However, a. seems to be the logical place to me. > > Regards, Benoit > > > > > > > Regards, Benoit > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 5:44 AM Ladislav Lhotka > wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 2020-01-08 at 04:49 -0800, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 1:11 AM Ladislav Lhotka > wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, 2020-01-07 at 14:29 +0000, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel wrote: > > > > > > > > If that is the consensus, I can remove the description > statements, > > > > > no big > > > > > > > > deal. (I actually like the statements, but they are not > important > > > > > for this > > > > > > > > draft) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, it is not that important, but I don't see how this > > > > > information > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > be harmful, if it is included with the import. In my view, it > is not > > > > > meant > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > conformance requirement but just an info from the module auth= or > > > > > about the > > > > > > > meaning of the import statement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It adds a lot of extra work but more importantly the import-stm= t > is > > > > > the wrong > > > > > > place > > > > > > > > > > What work do you mean? I thought that it would be just info for > > > > > potential > > > > > developers (or their managers) that implementing the module > requires > > > > > implementing other modules and functionality - or not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is duplication because the individual data-def statements should > have > > > > any notes > > > > about implementation requirements. The duplication may even be wron= g. > > > > E.g., in the module it says NACM is not required, but what if some > objects > > > > have NACM requirements listed in the Security Considerations sectio= n? > > > > That is the RFC section to discuss NACM requirements. > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, if a module imports ietf-netconf-nacm only for using > "node- > > > > > instance-identifier" type, it is relatively uninteresting. > Otherwise, > > > > > implementation of the module may just be out of question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to document such a complex and unrelated issue as server > conformance > > > > > > requirements. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root of this problem (and design flaw of YANG, IMO) is th= at > > > > > import is > > > > > > > "overloaded" with two different purposes, one of which > effectively > > > > > requires > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > the imported module be also implemented, while the other > doesn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The import-stmt is only used to map a local prefix to an extern= al > > > > > module. > > > > > > > > > > But one thing is using a prefix for accessing top-level types and > > > > > groupings > > > > > (i.e. stuff in YANG modules), and another thing is accessing sche= ma > > > > > nodes, which > > > > > have to be present in the schema tree. In complicated data models= , > it is > > > > > not > > > > > exactly easy to figure out all these dependencies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not agree these are different things. > > > > In both cases the prefix is used to determine the imported module > that > > > > contains the identifier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > So maybe what is really overloaded are the namespace prefixes: > they are > > > > > used for > > > > > addressing YANG modules, schema nodes and instances (in XPath). > > > > > > > > > > Lada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > This proposal to add conformance info the the import-stmt would > > > > > overload it > > > > > > with > > > > > > another purpose. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not even a typedef is easy to classify (e.g., leafref requires > > > > > implementation > > > > > > of a data node). > > > > > > I certainly agree that YANG conformance is poorly specified, > poorly > > > > > > understood, and > > > > > > in real need of improvement. Likewise, the import-stmt is also > in need > > > > > of some > > > > > > improvement > > > > > > since import-by-exact-revision is (and has always been) poorly > > > > > designed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Balazs > > > > > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Martin Bjorklund > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 2:38 PM > > > > > > > > To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel > > > > > > > > Cc: andy@yumaworks.com; lhotka@nic.cz; netmod@ietf.org > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a > module > > > > > is > > > > > > > needed as > > > > > > > > import-only or as implemented > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree w/ Andy and others that we should not add this to t= he > > > > > import's > > > > > > > > description. I don't think this kind of conformance text > belongs > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > import's description. If you think it is important to stat= e > this, > > > > > the > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > place is probably as plain text in the document itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > As a draft author who was asked to add text about the > imports > > > > > IMHO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * it would be easy for me to remove the description fro= m > the > > > > > import. > > > > > > > > > Actually I really just want to know what is acceptable to > the > > > > > group, so > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > can proceed > > > > > > > > > * I also think that adding this text is in most cases > easy and > > > > > it does > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > need updates later. > > > > > > > > > * The rules in some cases might not be trivial. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Imported YAMs need to be implemented if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Imported parts are included in Xpath (augment, when, > must, > > > > > require- > > > > > > > > > instance) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Imported YAMs do not need to be implemented if only t= he > > > > > following > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Types > > > > > > > > > * Features > > > > > > > > > * extensions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Ambiguous if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * groupings are used > > > > > > > > > * if the dependency is not formally defined by YANG, bu= t > > > > > functionally > > > > > > > > > needed. (E.g. notification-capabilities does not formally > need > > > > > YANG- > > > > > > > > > Push > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > be implemented, however there is no sense in defining > > > > > capabilities if > > > > > > > YANG- > > > > > > > > > Push is itself not implemented.) > > > > > > > > > * deviation ? > > > > > > > > > * other cases ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards Balazs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: netmod On Behalf Of Andy > Bierman > > > > > > > > > Sent: 2019. december 19., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 17:23 > > > > > > > > > To: Ladislav Lhotka > > > > > > > > > Cc: NetMod WG > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether = a > > > > > module is > > > > > > > > > needed as import-only or as implemented > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 8:00 AM Ladislav Lhotka < > lhotka@nic.cz > > > > > <%0b>> > > > > > > > lhotka@nic.cz> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2019-12-19 at 07:52 +0000, Sch=C3=B6nw=C3=A4lder,= J=C3=BCrgen > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 08:23:27AM +0100, Ladislav Lhot= ka > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I don't see how YANG syntax defines this. If a module > > > > > imports > > > > > > > > > > > ietf-netconf- acm, it could be because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - it just uses a typedef, such as "node-instance- > > > > > identifier", and > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > ietf-netconf-acm needn't be implemented (but can be= ), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - it augments ietf-netconf-acm, which makes sense onl= y > if > > > > > the latter > > > > > > > > > > > module is implemented. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It it the YANG library that specifies whether a modul= e > is > > > > > > > > > > > implemented or not, but the "import" statement itself > > > > > doesn't tell > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can we not assume that an implementor will figure out t= he > > > > > difference? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An implementor should be able to figure it out, but other > > > > > potential > > > > > > > > > module users may not. For example, if somebody is > evaluating > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > to use a module for their device or not, it is important > to know > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > NACM has to be implemented (or not). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to be talking about a new conformance > documentation > > > > > procedure > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that attempts to solve the problem "to use modules A, B, > and C > > > > > > > > > together > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to achieve some functionality X, all these conditions nee= d > to be > > > > > met".. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Sounds more like a problem for YANG Packages to solve) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO this is a much harder problem than something that can > be > > > > > solved > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with extra description-stmt text. The writer is likely to > get it > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > or not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keep it up to date, so a tool to analyze the file seems > like a > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > solution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or someone writes a pyang plugin to determine from the > schema > > > > > tree > > > > > > > > > > the kind of imports there are (for a given set of > features). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /js > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > Ladislav Lhotka > > > > > > > > > Head, CZ.NIC Labs > > > > > > > > > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > netmod mailing list > > > > > > > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > > > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Ladislav Lhotka > > > > > Head, CZ.NIC Labs > > > > > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > netmod mailing list > > > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > netmod mailing list > > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > -- > Ladislav Lhotka > Head, CZ.NIC Labs > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 > > > > --0000000000004b727705a01d64d4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 5:31 AM Bal=C3= =A1zs Lengyel <balazs.len= gyel@ericsson.com> wrote:

Hello,

Putting this information on individual schema nodes can be a= problem if a module uses imported items a lot. We have modules with 100+ s= chema nodes that use an import, while =C2=A0there are only 7 modules import= ed. Adding the statement (mandatory/optional to implement) 100 times would = be a lot of text. I also doubt that people will check all 100 places.

IMHO alternatives a) or b) are feasible.= (I like a) the best)



<= /div>
This is a strawman -- nobody suggested duplicating the same text = over and over in data nodes.
The same issue exists with the refer= ence-stmt.=C2=A0 We don't require (or encourage) people to
pl= ace a reference to an external RFC on every leaf. The same judgement can be= used here.


=C2=A0

Regards Balazs


Andy=
=C2=A0
<= p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0

From: = netmod <net= mod-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Andy Bierman
Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 3., kedd 17:14
To: Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com><= br>Cc: NETMOD WG <netmod@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in impor= t to indicate whether a module is needed as import-only or as implemented

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

<= u>=C2=A0

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020= at 12:45 AM Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com> wrote:

Hi,

=C2=A0

= =C2=A0

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10= :23 AM Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz> wrote:

On Mon, 2020-03-02 a= t 09:52 -0800, Andy Bierman wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2,= 2020 at 8:57 AM Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com> wrote:
> > Sorry to resur= rect this old email thread.
> > To me, it's an important piece= of information to know that ietf-netconf-acm
> > is optional to i= mplement.
> >
> > It seems that we have 3 potential plac= es where to insert this information
> > 1. The associated document= . We could and should insert it into the RFC text.
> >=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0Drawback: Somehow the YANG module is looked at independently of t= he
> > associated document
> > 2. import-stmt: people on = the list apparently don't like this
> > 3. module description?= What harm would it do if the description could
> > contain this i= nfo?
> >
> >
>
> IMO it makes more sense t= o summarize the imported modules that need to be
> implemented
>= ; and not mention the ones that are not required.=C2=A0 The module descript= ion-stmt
> is better
> than each import. (YANG 1.1 allows the s= ame module to be imported multiple
> times).

Modules that have= to be implemented can be imported only once. Adding this
information to= the import statement for such modules is IMO more effective than
having= it in the module description. I don't get how it could become a proble= m.

=C2=A0<= u>

I do not think this info helps = very much. It is duplicate info.

It should be in the description-stmts for the objects defined in t= he module.

Well, I had in mind the module description
The "description-= stmts for the objects defined in the module" is yet another place.<= /u>

=C2=A0<= u>

=C2=A0

<= div>

The object descriptions are the correct level of= granularity to be useful.

A boolean statement wrt/ module implementation is required vs not requir= ed is not very useful.

R= arely is the entire module either fully required or nothing to implement at= all.

=C2=A0

IMO it is wrong to conflate the imp= ort-stmt with conformance requirements.

It is merely a mechanism to bind local prefix usage to an e= xternal module.

Tex= t like "revision X or derived from X is required" is appropriate = for the import-stmt because

it refers to the binding between prefix and imported module revision us= ed.

=C2=A0<= u>

Consider how this extra documen= tation work scales to a big module like ietf-bgp.

There are multiple submodules, each with overlapp= ing imports and each with their own module header.

<= div>

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Andy=

=C2=A0

It is also self-evident (= and defined in YANG) that if you augment some external node

you have to implement the augmented mod= ule.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0This is the classic definition= of a CLR.

=C2=A0=

Lada<= u>

=C2=A0

=

=C2=A0

Trying to decompose the problem space = ....
I believe it's common sense to include in the RFC text that iet= f-netconf-acm is optional to implement (to take the example in question in = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netco= nf-notification-capabilities-11)
Do we agree that this information s= hould also be contained somewhere, somehow in the YANG module? I would say:= yes

If yes, what are the options?
I agree with Juergen (in a rep= ly in this email thread): ideally a tooling answer would be better. This wi= ll take some time. So what do we do now?
3 options:
a. import descrip= tion (description-stmt in import-stmt) 

module ietf-system-capabilities =
{
=C2=A0 yang-version 1.1;
=
=C2=A0 namespace
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 "urn:ietf:=
params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-system-capabilities";
=
=C2=A0 prefix sysc;
=C2=A0
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=C2=A0 import ietf-netconf-acm 
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0{ prefix nacm; }
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 descripti=
on "ietf-netconf-acm is optional to implement.";=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 }


b. module description (description-stmt in=C2=A0 meta-s= tmts in module-stmt/submodule-stmt)

module ietf-system-capabilities {<=
/u>
=C2=A0 yang-version 1.1;
=C2=
=A0 namespace
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 "urn:ietf:par=
ams:xml:ns:yang:ietf-system-capabilities";
=C2=
=A0 prefix sysc;
=C2=A0
=C2=
=A0 import ietf-netconf-acm { prefix nacm; }
=C2=A0
=C2=A0 import ietf-yang-library {
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 prefix yanglib;
=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 description "Revision 2019-01-04 or a
=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 revision derived from it is REQUIRED.&q=
uot;;
=C2=A0 }
=C2=
=A0
=C2=A0 organization
=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 "IETF NETCONF (Network Configuration) Working Group";
=C2=A0 contact
=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 "WG Web:=C2=A0=C2=A0 <https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/netconf/>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 WG List:=C2=A0 <mailto:netconf@ietf.o=
rg>
=C2=A0
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=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Editor:=C2=A0=C2=A0 Balazs Lengyel
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=A0=C2=A0 =
<mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>";
=C2=A0 description
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 "This=
 module specifies a module intended to contain system
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 capabilities. System capabilities may inc= lude capabilities of a
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 NETCONF or RESTCONF server or a notification publisher.
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u>
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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0ietf=
-netconf-acm is optional to implement."
c. description-st=
mts for the objects defined in the module
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 leaf node-selector { 
=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0type n=
acm:node-instance-identifier;
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 description
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 "Selects the data nodes for which capabilities are=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 specified. The special value '/' denote=
s all data nodes
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 in the datastore. ie=
tf-netconf-acm is optional to implement.";
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0}

c. looks weird to me, and might n=
eed repetitions in different YANG objects. In the end, as an implementer, I=
 only care to understand whether I need to implement "ietf-netconf-acm=
" as a prequesite to implement ietf-system-capabilities. 

Betwe=
en a. and b., I have no strong preferences.
However, a. seems to be the =
logical place to me.

Regards, Benoit


>=C2=A0 <=
br>> > Regards, Benoit
> > 
> 
> Andy
>=C2=
=A0 
> > > 
> > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 5:44 AM La=
dislav Lhotka <lhotka=
@nic.cz> wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 2020-01-08 at 04:49 -=
0800, Andy Bierman wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > &g=
t; > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 1:11 AM Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz> wrote:
> >=
; > > > > On Tue, 2020-01-07 at 14:29 +0000, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengye=
l wrote:
> > > > > > > If that is the consensus, I =
can remove the description statements,
> > > > no big
>=
; > > > > > > deal. (I actually like the statements, but =
they are not important
> > > > for this
> > > &g=
t; > > > draft)
> > > > > > 
> > >=
; > > > Of course, it is not that important, but I don't see h=
ow this
> > > > information
> > > > > >=
 could
> > > > > > be harmful, if it is included with =
the import. In my view, it is not
> > > > meant
> >=
 > > > > as a
> > > > > > conformance requ=
irement but just an info from the module author
> > > > abou=
t the
> > > > > > meaning of the import statement.
=
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > &g=
t; > > It adds a lot of extra work but more importantly the import-st=
mt is
> > > > the wrong
> > > > > place> > > > 
> > > > What work do you mean? I thoug=
ht that it would be just info for
> > > > potential
> =
> > > developers (or their managers) that implementing the module =
requires
> > > > implementing other modules and functionalit=
y - or not. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > &=
gt; 
> > > 
> > > It is duplication because the ind=
ividual data-def statements should have
> > > any notes
>=
 > > about implementation requirements. The duplication may even be w=
rong.
> > > E.g., in the module it says NACM is not required, b=
ut what if some objects
> > > have NACM requirements listed in =
the Security Considerations section?
> > > That is the RFC sect=
ion to discuss NACM requirements.
> > > 
> > > 
=
> > > > For example, if a module imports ietf-netconf-nacm only=
 for using "node-
> > > > instance-identifier" typ=
e, it is relatively uninteresting. Otherwise,
> > > > implem=
entation of the module may just be out of question.
> > > > =

> > > > 
> > > > > to document such a com=
plex and unrelated issue as server conformance
> > > > > =
requirements.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
=
> > > > > > The root of this problem (and design flaw of =
YANG, IMO) is that
> > > > import is
> > > > =
> > "overloaded" with two different purposes, one of which =
effectively
> > > > requires
> > > > > >=
; that
> > > > > > the imported module be also impleme=
nted, while the other doesn't.
> > > > > > 
>=
; > > > > 
> > > > > The import-stmt is only =
used to map a local prefix to an external
> > > > module.> > > > 
> > > > But one thing is using a prefi=
x for accessing top-level types and
> > > > groupings
>=
; > > > (i.e. stuff in YANG modules), and another thing is accessi=
ng schema
> > > > nodes, which
> > > > have t=
o be present in the schema tree. In complicated data models, it is
> =
> > > not
> > > > exactly easy to figure out all th=
ese dependencies.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> &=
gt; > 
> > > I do not agree these are different things.
&=
gt; > > In both cases the prefix is used to determine the imported mo=
dule that
> > > contains the identifier.
> > > 
=
> > > 
> > > > So maybe what is really overloaded a=
re the namespace prefixes: they are
> > > > used for
>=
 > > > addressing YANG modules, schema nodes and instances (in XPa=
th). 
> > > > 
> > > > Lada
> > >=
 > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Andy
>=
 > >=C2=A0 
> > > > > This proposal to add conforma=
nce info the the import-stmt would
> > > > overload it
&g=
t; > > > > with
> > > > > another purpose.> > > > > 
> > > > > Not even a typedef i=
s easy to classify=C2=A0 (e.g., leafref requires
> > > > imp=
lementation
> > > > > of a data node).
> > > =
> > I certainly agree that YANG conformance is poorly specified, poor=
ly
> > > > > understood, and
> > > > > =
in real need of improvement. Likewise, the import-stmt is also in need
&=
gt; > > > of some
> > > > > improvement
> =
> > > > since import-by-exact-revision is (and has always been)=
 poorly
> > > > designed.
> > > > > 
&g=
t; > > > > 
> > > > > > Lada
> > =
> > > > 
> > > > > > > Balazs
> &=
gt; > > > 
> > > > > Andy
> > > >=
 > 
> > > > >=C2=A0 
> > > > > > =
> -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From:=
 Martin Bjorklund <m=
bj@tail-f.com> 
> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday,=
 January 7, 2020 2:38 PM
> > > > > > > To: Bal=C3=
=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>
> > > > > >=
; > Cc: andy@yum=
aworks.com; lhotka@n=
ic.cz; netmod@ietf=
.org
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text i=
n import to indicate whether a module
> > > > is
> >=
; > > > > needed as
> > > > > > > impor=
t-only or as implemented
> > > > > > > 
> >=
; > > > > > Hi
> > > > > > > 
>=
; > > > > > > I agree w/ Andy and others that we should n=
ot add this to the
> > > > import's
> > > &g=
t; > > > description.=C2=A0 I don't think this kind of conform=
ance text belongs
> > > > to the
> > > > >=
 > > import's description.=C2=A0 If you think it is important to =
state this,
> > > > the
> > > > > > bes=
t
> > > > > > > place is probably as plain text in =
the document itself.
> > > > > > > 
> > &g=
t; > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> >=
 > > > > > /martin
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > =
Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel=3D40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
&=
gt; > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > As a d=
raft author who was asked to add text about the imports
> > > &=
gt; IMHO
> > > > > > > > 
> > > >=
 > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0it would be easy for me to remove the de=
scription from the
> > > > import.
> > > > &g=
t; > > > Actually I really just want to know what is acceptable to=
 the
> > > > group, so
> > > > > > I> > > > > > > > can proceed
> > > >=
 > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0I also think that adding this text is in=
 most cases easy and
> > > > it does
> > > > =
> > not
> > > > > > > > need updates later=
.
> > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0The rules in som=
e cases might not be trivial.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0Imported YAMs need =
to be implemented if
> > > > > > > > 
> &g=
t; > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0Imported parts are included =
in Xpath (augment, when, must,
> > > > require-
> >=
 > > > > > > instance)
> > > > > > &=
gt; > 
> > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0Imported=
 YAMs do not need to be implemented if only the
> > > > foll=
owing
> > > > > > are
> > > > > >=
 > > used
> > > > > > > > 
> > &g=
t; > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0Types
> > > > >=
 > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0Features
> > > > > > >=
; > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0extensions
> > > > > > > > =

> > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0Ambiguous if
&=
gt; > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > &g=
t; > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0groupings are used
> > > > > > &=
gt; > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0if the dependency is not formally defined by YANG, b=
ut
> > > > functionally
> > > > > > >=
; > needed. (E.g. notification-capabilities does not formally need
&g=
t; > > > YANG-
> > > > > > > > Push > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > >=
; be implemented, however there is no sense in defining
> > > &=
gt; capabilities if
> > > > > > YANG-
> > >=
; > > > > > Push is itself not implemented.)
> > &g=
t; > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0deviation ?
> > > >=
; > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0other cases ?
> > > > &g=
t; > > > 
> > > > > > > > Regards Balaz=
s
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > &=
gt; > >=C2=A0 
> > > > > > > > 
> &g=
t; > > > > > > From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> On Beha=
lf Of Andy Bierman
> > > > > > > > Sent: 2019. d=
ecember 19., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 17:23
> > > > > >=
; > > To: Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz>
> > > > > > > >=
; Cc: NetMod WG <ne=
tmod@ietf.org>
> > > > > > > > Subject: R=
e: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a
> > > > mod=
ule is 
> > > > > > > > needed as import-only or=
 as implemented
> > > > > > > > 
> > &g=
t; > > > > >=C2=A0 
> > > > > > > &g=
t; 
> > > > > > > >=C2=A0 
> > > >=
; > > > > 
> > > > > > > >=C2=A0 > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > =
> > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 8:00 AM Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz
> > > &=
gt; <mailto:
> > &=
gt; > > > > > lhotka@nic.cz> > wrote:
> > > > > > >=
; > 
> > > > > > > > On Thu, 2019-12-19 at 07=
:52 +0000, Sch=C3=B6nw=C3=A4lder, J=C3=BCrgen wrote:
> > > >=
 > > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 08:23:27AM +0100, Ladisla=
v Lhotka
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >=
; > > > I don't see how YANG syntax defines this. If a module<=
br>> > > > imports 
> > > > > > > > =
> > ietf-netconf- acm, it could be because
> > > > >=
; > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >=
 > - it just uses a typedef, such as "node-instance-
> > &=
gt; > identifier", and
> > > > > > then
>=
; > > > > > > > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0ietf-netconf-acm=
 needn't be implemented (but can be),
> > > > > > =
> > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > o=
r
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > &=
gt; > > > > > > - it augments ietf-netconf-acm, which mak=
es sense only if
> > > > the latter
> > > > &=
gt; > > > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0module is implemented.
> >=
; > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > >=
 > > > > It it the YANG library that specifies whether a module=
 is 
> > > > > > > > > > implemented or no=
t, but the "import" statement itself
> > > > doesn=
't tell
> > > > > > you
> > > > >=
; > > > > > anything.
> > > > > > > =
> > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> &g=
t; > > > > > > > Can we not assume that an implementor=
 will figure out the
> > > > difference?
> > > &=
gt; > > > > 
> > > > > > > > An impl=
ementor should be able to figure it out, but other
> > > > p=
otential 
> > > > > > > > module users may not. =
For example, if somebody is evaluating
> > > > whether 
&=
gt; > > > > > > > to use a module for their device or =
not, it is important to know
> > > > that 
> > >=
 > > > > > NACM has to be implemented (or not).
> >=
 > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >=
=C2=A0 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > =
> > > > You seem to be talking about a new conformance document=
ation
> > > > procedure
> > > > > > >=
; > 
> > > > > > > > that attempts to solve t=
he problem "to use modules A, B, and C 
> > > > > &g=
t; > > together
> > > > > > > > 
> &=
gt; > > > > > > to achieve some functionality X, all thes=
e conditions need to be
> > > > met"..
> > >=
; > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > (Sou=
nds more like a problem for YANG Packages to solve)
> > > > =
> > > > 
> > > > > > > >=C2=A0 
&=
gt; > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > &g=
t; > IMO this is a much harder problem than something that can be
>=
; > > > solved
> > > > > > > > 
>=
 > > > > > > > with extra description-stmt text. The w=
riter is likely to get it
> > > > wrong 
> > > &=
gt; > > > > or not
> > > > > > > > <=
br>> > > > > > > > keep it up to date, so a tool to=
 analyze the file seems like a
> > > > better
> > &=
gt; > > > > > solution.
> > > > > > >=
; > 
> > > > > > > >=C2=A0 
> > >=
 > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Lada<=
br>> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > >=
; > >=C2=A0 
> > > > > > > > 
> >=
 > > > > > >=C2=A0 
> > > > > > >=
 > 
> > > > > > > > Andy
> > > &g=
t; > > > > 
> > > > > > > >=C2=A0 > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > >=
 > > 
> > > > > > > > > Or someone writ=
es a pyang plugin to determine from the schema
> > > > tree =

> > > > > > > > > the kind of imports there =
are (for a given set of features).
> > > > > > > &g=
t; > 
> > > > > > > > > /js
> > &=
gt; > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > &g=
t; --
> > > > > > > > Ladislav Lhotka
> &g=
t; > > > > > > Head, CZ.NIC Labs
> > > > &=
gt; > > > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67
> > > > &g=
t; > > > 
> > > > > > > > _____________=
__________________________________
> > > > > > > &g=
t; netmod mailing list
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o:netmod@ietf.org&=
gt; 
> > > > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailma=
n/listinfo/netmod
> > > > > > > > 
> &=
gt; > > -- 
> > > > Ladislav Lhotka
> > > =
> Head, CZ.NIC Labs
> > > > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C6=
7
> > > > 
> > > > __________________________=
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tf.org
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> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
&g=
t; > > _______________________________________________
> > &=
gt; netmod mailing list
> > > netmod@ietf.org
> > > https://www.ietf.=
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> >=C2=A0 
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boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0167_01D5F30E.6906C240" ------=_NextPart_001_0167_01D5F30E.6906C240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 From: Andy Bierman =20 Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 5., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 16:43 To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel Cc: Benoit Claise ; NETMOD WG Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a module is = needed as import-only or as implemented =20 =20 =20 On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 5:31 AM Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = > = wrote: Hello, Putting this information on individual schema nodes can be a problem if = a module uses imported items a lot. We have modules with 100+ schema = nodes that use an import, while there are only 7 modules imported. = Adding the statement (mandatory/optional to implement) 100 times would = be a lot of text. I also doubt that people will check all 100 places. IMHO alternatives a) or b) are feasible. (I like a) the best) =20 =20 This is a strawman -- nobody suggested duplicating the same text over = and over in data nodes. The same issue exists with the reference-stmt. We don't require (or = encourage) people to place a reference to an external RFC on every leaf. The same judgement = can be used here. =20 Andy BALAZS2: If the first 50 uses of an import don=E2=80=99t need an = implemented import-module but the 51stdoes, then finding this will be = difficult, unless we formalize it somehow e.g. with a new statement, = extension, standard text, whatever. =20 From: netmod > = On Behalf Of Andy Bierman Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 3., kedd 17:14 To: Benoit Claise > Cc: NETMOD WG > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a module is = needed as import-only or as implemented =20 =20 =20 On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 12:45 AM Benoit Claise > wrote: Hi, =20 =20 On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:23 AM Ladislav Lhotka > wrote: On Mon, 2020-03-02 at 09:52 -0800, Andy Bierman wrote: >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 8:57 AM Benoit Claise > wrote: > > Sorry to resurrect this old email thread. > > To me, it's an important piece of information to know that = ietf-netconf-acm > > is optional to implement. > >=20 > > It seems that we have 3 potential places where to insert this = information > > 1. The associated document. We could and should insert it into the = RFC text. > > Drawback: Somehow the YANG module is looked at independently of = the > > associated document > > 2. import-stmt: people on the list apparently don't like this > > 3. module description? What harm would it do if the description = could > > contain this info? > >=20 > >=20 >=20 > IMO it makes more sense to summarize the imported modules that need to = be > implemented > and not mention the ones that are not required. The module = description-stmt > is better > than each import. (YANG 1.1 allows the same module to be imported = multiple > times). Modules that have to be implemented can be imported only once. Adding = this information to the import statement for such modules is IMO more = effective than having it in the module description. I don't get how it could become a = problem. =20 I do not think this info helps very much. It is duplicate info. It should be in the description-stmts for the objects defined in the = module. Well, I had in mind the module description The "description-stmts for the objects defined in the module" is yet = another place. =20 =20 The object descriptions are the correct level of granularity to be = useful. A boolean statement wrt/ module implementation is required vs not = required is not very useful. Rarely is the entire module either fully required or nothing to = implement at all. =20 IMO it is wrong to conflate the import-stmt with conformance = requirements. It is merely a mechanism to bind local prefix usage to an external = module. Text like "revision X or derived from X is required" is appropriate for = the import-stmt because it refers to the binding between prefix and imported module revision = used. =20 Consider how this extra documentation work scales to a big module like = ietf-bgp. There are multiple submodules, each with overlapping imports and each = with their own module header. =20 =20 Andy =20 It is also self-evident (and defined in YANG) that if you augment some = external node you have to implement the augmented module. =20 This is the classic definition of a CLR. =20 Lada =20 =20 Trying to decompose the problem space .... I believe it's common sense to include in the RFC text that = ietf-netconf-acm is optional to implement (to take the example in = question in = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-= 11) Do we agree that this information should also be contained somewhere, = somehow in the YANG module? I would say: yes If yes, what are the options? I agree with Juergen (in a reply in this email thread): ideally a = tooling answer would be better. This will take some time. So what do we = do now? 3 options: a. import description (description-stmt in import-stmt)=20 module ietf-system-capabilities { yang-version 1.1; namespace "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-system-capabilities"; prefix sysc; =20 import ietf-netconf-acm=20 { prefix nacm; } description "ietf-netconf-acm is optional to implement."; } b. module description (description-stmt in meta-stmts in = module-stmt/submodule-stmt) module ietf-system-capabilities { yang-version 1.1; namespace "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-system-capabilities"; prefix sysc; =20 import ietf-netconf-acm { prefix nacm; } =20 import ietf-yang-library { prefix yanglib; description "Revision 2019-01-04 or a revision derived from it is REQUIRED."; } =20 organization "IETF NETCONF (Network Configuration) Working Group"; contact "WG Web: WG List: =20 Editor: Balazs Lengyel = "; description "This module specifies a module intended to contain system capabilities. System capabilities may include capabilities of a NETCONF or RESTCONF server or a notification publisher. =20 ... =20 =20 ietf-netconf-acm is optional to implement." c. description-stmts for the objects defined in the module leaf node-selector {=20 type nacm:node-instance-identifier; description "Selects the data nodes for which capabilities are specified. The special value '/' denotes all data nodes in the datastore. ietf-netconf-acm is optional to = implement."; } c. looks weird to me, and might need repetitions in different YANG = objects. In the end, as an implementer, I only care to understand = whether I need to implement "ietf-netconf-acm" as a prequesite to = implement ietf-system-capabilities.=20 Between a. and b., I have no strong preferences. However, a. seems to be the logical place to me. Regards, Benoit > =20 > > Regards, Benoit > >=20 >=20 > Andy > =20 > > >=20 > > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 5:44 AM Ladislav Lhotka > wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2020-01-08 at 04:49 -0800, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > > >=20 > > > > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 1:11 AM Ladislav Lhotka > wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, 2020-01-07 at 14:29 +0000, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = wrote: > > > > > > > If that is the consensus, I can remove the description = statements, > > > > no big > > > > > > > deal. (I actually like the statements, but they are not = important > > > > for this > > > > > > > draft) > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > Of course, it is not that important, but I don't see how = this > > > > information > > > > > > could > > > > > > be harmful, if it is included with the import. In my view, = it is not > > > > meant > > > > > > as a > > > > > > conformance requirement but just an info from the module = author > > > > about the > > > > > > meaning of the import statement. > > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > It adds a lot of extra work but more importantly the = import-stmt is > > > > the wrong > > > > > place > > > >=20 > > > > What work do you mean? I thought that it would be just info for > > > > potential > > > > developers (or their managers) that implementing the module = requires > > > > implementing other modules and functionality - or not.=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > It is duplication because the individual data-def statements = should have > > > any notes > > > about implementation requirements. The duplication may even be = wrong. > > > E.g., in the module it says NACM is not required, but what if some = objects > > > have NACM requirements listed in the Security Considerations = section? > > > That is the RFC section to discuss NACM requirements. > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > > For example, if a module imports ietf-netconf-nacm only for = using "node- > > > > instance-identifier" type, it is relatively uninteresting. = Otherwise, > > > > implementation of the module may just be out of question. > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > > to document such a complex and unrelated issue as server = conformance > > > > > requirements. > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > > The root of this problem (and design flaw of YANG, IMO) is = that > > > > import is > > > > > > "overloaded" with two different purposes, one of which = effectively > > > > requires > > > > > > that > > > > > > the imported module be also implemented, while the other = doesn't. > > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > The import-stmt is only used to map a local prefix to an = external > > > > module. > > > >=20 > > > > But one thing is using a prefix for accessing top-level types = and > > > > groupings > > > > (i.e. stuff in YANG modules), and another thing is accessing = schema > > > > nodes, which > > > > have to be present in the schema tree. In complicated data = models, it is > > > > not > > > > exactly easy to figure out all these dependencies. > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > I do not agree these are different things. > > > In both cases the prefix is used to determine the imported module = that > > > contains the identifier. > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > > So maybe what is really overloaded are the namespace prefixes: = they are > > > > used for > > > > addressing YANG modules, schema nodes and instances (in XPath).=20 > > > >=20 > > > > Lada > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Andy > > > =20 > > > > > This proposal to add conformance info the the import-stmt = would > > > > overload it > > > > > with > > > > > another purpose. > > > > >=20 > > > > > Not even a typedef is easy to classify (e.g., leafref = requires > > > > implementation > > > > > of a data node). > > > > > I certainly agree that YANG conformance is poorly specified, = poorly > > > > > understood, and > > > > > in real need of improvement. Likewise, the import-stmt is also = in need > > > > of some > > > > > improvement > > > > > since import-by-exact-revision is (and has always been) poorly > > > > designed. > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > > Lada > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > Balazs > > > > >=20 > > > > > Andy > > > > >=20 > > > > > =20 > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Martin Bjorklund >=20 > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 2:38 PM > > > > > > > To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel > > > > > > > > Cc: andy@yumaworks.com ; = lhotka@nic.cz ; netmod@ietf.org = =20 > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a = module > > > > is > > > > > > needed as > > > > > > > import-only or as implemented > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > I agree w/ Andy and others that we should not add this to = the > > > > import's > > > > > > > description. I don't think this kind of conformance text = belongs > > > > to the > > > > > > > import's description. If you think it is important to = state this, > > > > the > > > > > > best > > > > > > > place is probably as plain text in the document itself. > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > As a draft author who was asked to add text about the = imports > > > > IMHO > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > * it would be easy for me to remove the description = from the > > > > import. > > > > > > > > Actually I really just want to know what is acceptable = to the > > > > group, so > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > can proceed > > > > > > > > * I also think that adding this text is in most cases = easy and > > > > it does > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > need updates later. > > > > > > > > * The rules in some cases might not be trivial. > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > * Imported YAMs need to be implemented if > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > * Imported parts are included in Xpath (augment, when, = must, > > > > require- > > > > > > > > instance) > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > * Imported YAMs do not need to be implemented if only = the > > > > following > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > * Types > > > > > > > > * Features > > > > > > > > * extensions > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > * Ambiguous if > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > * groupings are used > > > > > > > > * if the dependency is not formally defined by YANG, = but > > > > functionally > > > > > > > > needed. (E.g. notification-capabilities does not = formally need > > > > YANG- > > > > > > > > Push=20 > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > be implemented, however there is no sense in defining > > > > capabilities if > > > > > > YANG- > > > > > > > > Push is itself not implemented.) > > > > > > > > * deviation ? > > > > > > > > * other cases ? > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > Regards Balazs > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > =20 > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > From: netmod > On Behalf Of Andy Bierman > > > > > > > > Sent: 2019. december 19., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 17:23 > > > > > > > > To: Ladislav Lhotka > > > > > > > > > Cc: NetMod WG = > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether = a > > > > module is=20 > > > > > > > > needed as import-only or as implemented > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > =20 > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > =20 > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > =20 > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 8:00 AM Ladislav Lhotka = =20 > > > > =20 > > > > > > > > lhotka@nic.cz > > wrote: > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2019-12-19 at 07:52 +0000, = Sch=C3=B6nw=C3=A4lder, J=C3=BCrgen wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 08:23:27AM +0100, Ladislav = Lhotka > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I don't see how YANG syntax defines this. If a = module > > > > imports=20 > > > > > > > > > > ietf-netconf- acm, it could be because > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > - it just uses a typedef, such as "node-instance- > > > > identifier", and > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > ietf-netconf-acm needn't be implemented (but can = be), > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > - it augments ietf-netconf-acm, which makes sense = only if > > > > the latter > > > > > > > > > > module is implemented. > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > > It it the YANG library that specifies whether a = module is=20 > > > > > > > > > > implemented or not, but the "import" statement = itself > > > > doesn't tell > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > anything. > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > Can we not assume that an implementor will figure out = the > > > > difference? > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > An implementor should be able to figure it out, but = other > > > > potential=20 > > > > > > > > module users may not. For example, if somebody is = evaluating > > > > whether=20 > > > > > > > > to use a module for their device or not, it is important = to know > > > > that=20 > > > > > > > > NACM has to be implemented (or not). > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > =20 > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > You seem to be talking about a new conformance = documentation > > > > procedure > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > that attempts to solve the problem "to use modules A, B, = and C=20 > > > > > > > > together > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > to achieve some functionality X, all these conditions = need to be > > > > met".. > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > (Sounds more like a problem for YANG Packages to solve) > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > =20 > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > IMO this is a much harder problem than something that = can be > > > > solved > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > with extra description-stmt text. The writer is likely = to get it > > > > wrong=20 > > > > > > > > or not > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > keep it up to date, so a tool to analyze the file seems = like a > > > > better > > > > > > > > solution. > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > =20 > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > Lada > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > =20 > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > =20 > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > =20 > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > Or someone writes a pyang plugin to determine from the = schema > > > > tree=20 > > > > > > > > > the kind of imports there are (for a given set of = features). > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > > /js > > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Ladislav Lhotka > > > > > > > > Head, CZ.NIC Labs > > > > > > > > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > netmod mailing list > > > > > > > > netmod@ietf.org = >=20 > > > > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > > > > >=20 > > > > --=20 > > > > Ladislav Lhotka > > > > Head, CZ.NIC Labs > > > > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 > > > >=20 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > netmod mailing list > > > > netmod@ietf.org =20 > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > netmod mailing list > > > netmod@ietf.org =20 > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > =20 --=20 Ladislav Lhotka Head, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0167_01D5F30E.6906C240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

 

From: = Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com>
Sent: 2020. = m=C3=A1rcius 5., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 16:43
To: = Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>
Cc: = Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com>; NETMOD WG = <netmod@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import = to indicate whether a module is needed as import-only or as = implemented

 

 

 

On = Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 5:31 AM Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> wrote:

 <= /o:p>

From:= netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of = Andy Bierman
Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 3., kedd = 17:14
To: Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com>
Cc: NETMOD WG = <netmod@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: = [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a module is needed as = import-only or as implemented

 <= /o:p>

 <= /o:p>

 <= /o:p>

On Tue, Mar = 3, 2020 at 12:45 AM Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com> = wrote:

Hi,

 <= /o:p>

 <= /o:p>

On Mon, Mar = 2, 2020 at 10:23 AM Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz> = wrote:

On Mon, = 2020-03-02 at 09:52 -0800, Andy Bierman wrote:
>
>
> = On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 8:57 AM Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com> wrote:
> > Sorry to = resurrect this old email thread.
> > To me, it's an important = piece of information to know that ietf-netconf-acm
> > is = optional to implement.
> >
> > It seems that we have = 3 potential places where to insert this information
> > 1. The = associated document. We could and should insert it into the RFC = text.
> >     Drawback: Somehow the YANG module = is looked at independently of the
> > associated = document
> > 2. import-stmt: people on the list apparently = don't like this
> > 3. module description? What harm would it = do if the description could
> > contain this info?
> > =
> >
>
> IMO it makes more sense to summarize the = imported modules that need to be
> implemented
> and not = mention the ones that are not required.  The module = description-stmt
> is better
> than each import. (YANG 1.1 = allows the same module to be imported multiple
> = times).

Modules that have to be implemented can be imported only = once. Adding this
information to the import statement for such = modules is IMO more effective than
having it in the module = description. I don't get how it could become a = problem.

 <= /o:p>

I do not = think this info helps very much. It is duplicate = info.

It should = be in the description-stmts for the objects defined in the = module.

Well, I had = in mind the module description
The "description-stmts for the = objects defined in the module" is yet another = place.

 <= /o:p>

 <= /o:p>

The object = descriptions are the correct level of granularity to be = useful.

A boolean = statement wrt/ module implementation is required vs not required is not = very useful.

Rarely is = the entire module either fully required or nothing to implement at = all.

 <= /o:p>

IMO it is = wrong to conflate the import-stmt with conformance = requirements.

It is = merely a mechanism to bind local prefix usage to an external = module.

Text like = "revision X or derived from X is required" is appropriate for = the import-stmt because

it refers = to the binding between prefix and imported module revision = used.

 <= /o:p>

Consider = how this extra documentation work scales to a big module like = ietf-bgp.

There are = multiple submodules, each with overlapping imports and each with their = own module header.

 <= /o:p>

 <= /o:p>

Andy

 <= /o:p>

It is also = self-evident (and defined in YANG) that if you augment some external = node

you have to = implement the augmented module.

 <= /o:p>

 This = is the classic definition of a CLR.

 <= /o:p>

Lada

 <= /o:p>

 <= /o:p>

Trying to = decompose the problem space ....
I believe it's common sense to = include in the RFC text that ietf-netconf-acm is optional to implement = (to take the example in question in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-notifica= tion-capabilities-11)
Do we agree that this information should = also be contained somewhere, somehow in the YANG module? I would say: = yes

If yes, what are the options?
I agree with Juergen (in a = reply in this email thread): ideally a tooling answer would be better. = This will take some time. So what do we do now?
3 options:
a. = import description (description-stmt in import-stmt) = 

module =
ietf-system-capabilities {
  yang-version =
1.1;
  =
namespace
    =
"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-system-capabilities";
  prefix =
sysc;
 
  import =
ietf-netconf-acm 
    { prefix =
nacm; }
    description =
"ietf-netconf-acm is optional to =
implement.";
    =
}


b. = module description (description-stmt in  meta-stmts in = module-stmt/submodule-stmt)

module =
ietf-system-capabilities {
  yang-version =
1.1;
  =
namespace
    =
"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-system-capabilities";
  prefix =
sysc;
 
  import =
ietf-netconf-acm { prefix nacm; =
}
 
  import =
ietf-yang-library {
    prefix =
yanglib;
    description =
"Revision 2019-01-04 or =
a
      revision derived =
from it is REQUIRED.";
  =
}
 
  =
organization
    "IETF NETCONF =
(Network Configuration) Working Group";
  =
contact
    "WG =
Web:   <https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/netconf/>
     WG List:  <mailto:netconf@ietf.org>
 
     =
Editor:   Balazs =
Lengyel
       &n=
bsp;       <mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>";
  =
description
    "This module =
specifies a module intended to contain =
system
      capabilities. =
System capabilities may include capabilities of =
a
      NETCONF or =
RESTCONF server or a notification =
publisher.
 
  &=
nbsp;   =
...
 
   &n=
bsp; =

      ietf-netconf=
-acm is optional to implement."

c. = description-stmts for the objects defined in the = module

   &nb=
sp;      leaf node-selector { =

        &nb=
sp;   type =
nacm:node-instance-identifier;
   &nb=
sp;        =
description
      &nbs=
p;       "Selects the data nodes for =
which capabilities =
are
        =
       specified. The special value '/' =
denotes all data =
nodes
       &nbs=
p;       in the datastore. =
ietf-netconf-acm is optional to =
implement.";
     =
     }


c. looks = weird to me, and might need repetitions in different YANG objects. In = the end, as an implementer, I only care to understand whether I need to = implement "ietf-netconf-acm" as a prequesite to implement = ietf-system-capabilities.

Between a. and b., I have no strong = preferences.
However, a. seems to be the logical place to = me.

Regards, Benoit


>  =
> > Regards, Benoit
> >
>
> = Andy
> 
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 8, = 2020 at 5:44 AM Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz> wrote:
> > > > On = Wed, 2020-01-08 at 04:49 -0800, Andy Bierman wrote:
> > > = > >
> > > > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 1:11 AM = Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz> wrote:
> > > > = > > On Tue, 2020-01-07 at 14:29 +0000, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = wrote:
> > > > > > > If that is the consensus, I = can remove the description statements,
> > > > no = big
> > > > > > > deal. (I actually like the = statements, but they are not important
> > > > for = this
> > > > > > > draft)
> > > > = > >
> > > > > > Of course, it is not that = important, but I don't see how this
> > > > = information
> > > > > > could
> > > = > > > be harmful, if it is included with the import. In my = view, it is not
> > > > meant
> > > > > = > as a
> > > > > > conformance requirement but = just an info from the module author
> > > > about = the
> > > > > > meaning of the import = statement.
> > > > > >
> > > > > =
> > > > > It adds a lot of extra work but more = importantly the import-stmt is
> > > > the wrong
> = > > > > place
> > > >
> > > > = What work do you mean? I thought that it would be just info for
> = > > > potential
> > > > developers (or their = managers) that implementing the module requires
> > > > = implementing other modules and functionality - or not.
> > = > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > =
> > > It is duplication because the individual data-def = statements should have
> > > any notes
> > > = about implementation requirements. The duplication may even be = wrong.
> > > E.g., in the module it says NACM is not = required, but what if some objects
> > > have NACM = requirements listed in the Security Considerations section?
> > = > That is the RFC section to discuss NACM requirements.
> > = >
> > >
> > > > For example, if a module = imports ietf-netconf-nacm only for using "node-
> > > = > instance-identifier" type, it is relatively uninteresting. = Otherwise,
> > > > implementation of the module may just = be out of question.
> > > >
> > > > =
> > > > > to document such a complex and unrelated = issue as server conformance
> > > > > = requirements.
> > > > >
> > > > > =
> > > > > > The root of this problem (and design = flaw of YANG, IMO) is that
> > > > import is
> > = > > > > "overloaded" with two different purposes, = one of which effectively
> > > > requires
> > = > > > > that
> > > > > > the imported = module be also implemented, while the other doesn't.
> > > = > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > = The import-stmt is only used to map a local prefix to an = external
> > > > module.
> > > >
> = > > > But one thing is using a prefix for accessing top-level = types and
> > > > groupings
> > > > (i.e. = stuff in YANG modules), and another thing is accessing schema
> = > > > nodes, which
> > > > have to be present in = the schema tree. In complicated data models, it is
> > > = > not
> > > > exactly easy to figure out all these = dependencies.
> > > >
> > > >
> = > >
> > > I do not agree these are different = things.
> > > In both cases the prefix is used to determine = the imported module that
> > > contains the = identifier.
> > >
> > >
> > > > = So maybe what is really overloaded are the namespace prefixes: they = are
> > > > used for
> > > > addressing = YANG modules, schema nodes and instances (in XPath).
> > > = >
> > > > Lada
> > > >
> > = >
> > >
> > > Andy
> > >  =
> > > > > This proposal to add conformance info the = the import-stmt would
> > > > overload it
> > = > > > with
> > > > > another purpose.
> = > > > >
> > > > > Not even a typedef is = easy to classify  (e.g., leafref requires
> > > > = implementation
> > > > > of a data node).
> > = > > > I certainly agree that YANG conformance is poorly = specified, poorly
> > > > > understood, and
> = > > > > in real need of improvement. Likewise, the = import-stmt is also in need
> > > > of some
> > = > > > improvement
> > > > > since = import-by-exact-revision is (and has always been) poorly
> > = > > designed.
> > > > >
> > > > = >
> > > > > > Lada
> > > > > = >
> > > > > > > Balazs
> > > = > >
> > > > > Andy
> > > > > =
> > > > > 
> > > > > > = > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > = From: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com>
> > > > > = > > Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 2:38 PM
> > > > = > > > To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>
> > > = > > > > Cc: andy@yumaworks.com; lhotka@nic.cz; netmod@ietf.org
> > > > > > = > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a = module
> > > > is
> > > > > > needed = as
> > > > > > > import-only or as = implemented
> > > > > > >
> > > = > > > > Hi
> > > > > > >
> = > > > > > > I agree w/ Andy and others that we should = not add this to the
> > > > import's
> > > = > > > > description.  I don't think this kind of = conformance text belongs
> > > > to the
> > > = > > > > import's description.  If you think it is = important to state this,
> > > > the
> > > = > > > best
> > > > > > > place is = probably as plain text in the document itself.
> > > > = > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > = > > > >
> > > > > > > = /martin
> > > > > > >
> > > > = > > >
> > > > > > > Bal=C3=A1zs = Lengyel <balazs.lengyel=3D40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
> > = > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > As a draft = author who was asked to add text about the imports
> > > = > IMHO
> > > > > > > >
> > > = > > > > > *   it would be easy for me to remove = the description from the
> > > > import.
> > = > > > > > > Actually I really just want to know what = is acceptable to the
> > > > group, so
> > > = > > > I
> > > > > > > > can = proceed
> > > > > > > > *   I also = think that adding this text is in most cases easy and
> > > = > it does
> > > > > > not
> > > > = > > > > need updates later.
> > > > > > = > > *   The rules in some cases might not be = trivial.
> > > > > > > >
> > > = > > > > > *   Imported YAMs need to be = implemented if
> > > > > > > >
> > = > > > > > > *   Imported parts are included = in Xpath (augment, when, must,
> > > > require-
> = > > > > > > > instance)
> > > > > = > > >
> > > > > > > > *  =  Imported YAMs do not need to be implemented if only the
> = > > > following
> > > > > > are
> = > > > > > > > used
> > > > > > = > >
> > > > > > > > *  =  Types
> > > > > > > > *  =  Features
> > > > > > > > *  =  extensions
> > > > > > > >
> = > > > > > > > *   Ambiguous if
> = > > > > > > >
> > > > > > = > > *   groupings are used
> > > > > = > > > *   if the dependency is not formally defined = by YANG, but
> > > > functionally
> > > > = > > > > needed. (E.g. notification-capabilities does not = formally need
> > > > YANG-
> > > > > = > > > Push
> > > > > > to
> > = > > > > > > be implemented, however there is no sense = in defining
> > > > capabilities if
> > > = > > > YANG-
> > > > > > > > Push is = itself not implemented.)
> > > > > > > > = *   deviation ?
> > > > > > > > = *   other cases ?
> > > > > > > > =
> > > > > > > > Regards Balazs
> > = > > > > > >
> > > > > > > = > 
> > > > > > > >
> > = > > > > > > From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Andy = Bierman
> > > > > > > > Sent: 2019. december = 19., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 17:23
> > > > > > = > > To: Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz>
> > > > > > = > > Cc: NetMod WG <netmod@ietf.org>
> > > > > = > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether = a
> > > > module is
> > > > > > = > > needed as import-only or as implemented
> > > > = > > > >
> > > > > > > >  =
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > = > > > 
> > > > > > > > =
> > > > > > > > 
> > > = > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On = Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 8:00 AM Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz
> > > > <mailto:
> > > > = > > > > lhotka@nic.cz> > wrote:
> > > = > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On = Thu, 2019-12-19 at 07:52 +0000, Sch=C3=B6nw=C3=A4lder, J=C3=BCrgen = wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, = 2019 at 08:23:27AM +0100, Ladislav Lhotka
> > > > = wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > I don't see = how YANG syntax defines this. If a module
> > > > imports =
> > > > > > > > > > ietf-netconf- acm, = it could be because
> > > > > > > > > > =
> > > > > > > > > > - it just uses a = typedef, such as "node-instance-
> > > > = identifier", and
> > > > > > then
> > = > > > > > > > >   ietf-netconf-acm = needn't be implemented (but can be),
> > > > > > = > > > >
> > > > > > > > > = > or
> > > > > > > > > >
> = > > > > > > > > > - it augments = ietf-netconf-acm, which makes sense only if
> > > > the = latter
> > > > > > > > > >  =  module is implemented.
> > > > > > > > = > >
> > > > > > > > > > It it = the YANG library that specifies whether a module is
> > > = > > > > > > > implemented or not, but the = "import" statement itself
> > > > doesn't = tell
> > > > > > you
> > > > > = > > > > > anything.
> > > > > > > = > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> = > > > > > > > > Can we not assume that an = implementor will figure out the
> > > > = difference?
> > > > > > > >
> > = > > > > > > An implementor should be able to figure it = out, but other
> > > > potential
> > > > = > > > > module users may not. For example, if somebody is = evaluating
> > > > whether
> > > > > = > > > to use a module for their device or not, it is important = to know
> > > > that
> > > > > > = > > NACM has to be implemented (or not).
> > > > = > > > >
> > > > > > > >  =
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > = > > > You seem to be talking about a new conformance = documentation
> > > > procedure
> > > > = > > > >
> > > > > > > > that = attempts to solve the problem "to use modules A, B, and C
> = > > > > > > > together
> > > > > = > > >
> > > > > > > > to achieve = some functionality X, all these conditions need to be
> > > = > met"..
> > > > > > > >
> = > > > > > > > (Sounds more like a problem for YANG = Packages to solve)
> > > > > > > >
> = > > > > > > > 
> > > > > = > > >
> > > > > > > > IMO this is a = much harder problem than something that can be
> > > > = solved
> > > > > > > >
> > > = > > > > > with extra description-stmt text. The writer is = likely to get it
> > > > wrong
> > > > = > > > > or not
> > > > > > > > =
> > > > > > > > keep it up to date, so a = tool to analyze the file seems like a
> > > > = better
> > > > > > > > solution.
> > = > > > > > >
> > > > > > > = > 
> > > > > > > >
> > = > > > > > > Lada
> > > > > > > = >
> > > > > > > > 
> > = > > > > > >
> > > > > > > = > 
> > > > > > > >
> > = > > > > > > Andy
> > > > > > > = >
> > > > > > > > 
> > = > > > > > >
> > > > > > > = >
> > > > > > > > > Or someone writes = a pyang plugin to determine from the schema
> > > > tree =
> > > > > > > > > the kind of imports = there are (for a given set of features).
> > > > > = > > > >
> > > > > > > > > = /js
> > > > > > > > >
> > > = > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > = Ladislav Lhotka
> > > > > > > > Head, CZ.NIC = Labs
> > > > > > > > PGP Key ID: = 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67
> > > > > > > >
> = > > > > > > > = _______________________________________________
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>= ; > > > > > > >
> > > > --
> = > > > Ladislav Lhotka
> > > > Head, CZ.NIC = Labs
> > > > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67
> > = > >
> > > > = _______________________________________________
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>= ; > > >
> > >
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with ESMTPSA id F220360D6E; Thu, 5 Mar 2020 16:04:32 +0000 (UTC) From: Christian Hopps Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3608.40.2.2.4\)) Message-Id: <97B2BEDA-E4E3-4A15-A1A7-17E4501A2337@chopps.org> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2020 11:04:32 -0500 To: NETMOD Working Group X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.40.2.2.4) Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] Update on https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location/ X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2020 16:04:35 -0000 Hi netmod, I pointed our external/expert reviewers to the new version (-02 at the = time, -03 are editorial changes), and received a positive response that = things looked good. 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We have modules with 100+ schema nodes > that use an import, while there are only 7 modules imported. Adding the > statement (mandatory/optional to implement) 100 times would be a lot of > text. I also doubt that people will check all 100 places. > > IMHO alternatives a) or b) are feasible. (I like a) the best) > > > > > > This is a strawman -- nobody suggested duplicating the same text over and > over in data nodes. > > The same issue exists with the reference-stmt. We don't require (or > encourage) people to > > place a reference to an external RFC on every leaf. The same judgement ca= n > be used here. > > > > Andy > > BALAZS2: If the first 50 uses of an import don=E2=80=99t need an impleme= nted > import-module but the 51stdoes, then finding this will be difficult, > unless we formalize it somehow e.g. with a new statement, extension, > standard text, whatever. > I am unclear on the procedures for this new procedure to be added to the documentation of all YANG modules. 1) What does "implement" mean? Even in this case, implementation of a typedef is required. So does "implement" mean "implement data nodes"? How is "implement a leafref typedef" classified? 2) What is the module granularity? Is the same information repeated in each submodule? Does a submodule header document the implementation requirements just for that submodule? 3) What is the object granularity? Does the author search for every occurrence of the prefix and then write a summary for that object? Does the author just stop when implementation of a data node is required (making the boolean statement true) Andy > > *From:* netmod *On Behalf Of *Andy Bierman > *Sent:* 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 3., kedd 17:14 > *To:* Benoit Claise > *Cc:* NETMOD WG > *Subject:* Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a module is > needed as import-only or as implemented > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 12:45 AM Benoit Claise wrote: > > Hi, > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:23 AM Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > On Mon, 2020-03-02 at 09:52 -0800, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 8:57 AM Benoit Claise wrote: > > > Sorry to resurrect this old email thread. > > > To me, it's an important piece of information to know that > ietf-netconf-acm > > > is optional to implement. > > > > > > It seems that we have 3 potential places where to insert this > information > > > 1. The associated document. We could and should insert it into the RF= C > text. > > > Drawback: Somehow the YANG module is looked at independently of t= he > > > associated document > > > 2. import-stmt: people on the list apparently don't like this > > > 3. module description? What harm would it do if the description could > > > contain this info? > > > > > > > > > > IMO it makes more sense to summarize the imported modules that need to = be > > implemented > > and not mention the ones that are not required. The module > description-stmt > > is better > > than each import. (YANG 1.1 allows the same module to be imported > multiple > > times). > > Modules that have to be implemented can be imported only once. Adding thi= s > information to the import statement for such modules is IMO more effectiv= e > than > having it in the module description. I don't get how it could become a > problem. > > > > I do not think this info helps very much. It is duplicate info. > > It should be in the description-stmts for the objects defined in the > module. > > Well, I had in mind the module description > The "description-stmts for the objects defined in the module" is yet > another place. > > > > > > The object descriptions are the correct level of granularity to be useful= . > > A boolean statement wrt/ module implementation is required vs not require= d > is not very useful. > > Rarely is the entire module either fully required or nothing to implement > at all. > > > > IMO it is wrong to conflate the import-stmt with conformance requirements= . > > It is merely a mechanism to bind local prefix usage to an external module= . > > Text like "revision X or derived from X is required" is appropriate for > the import-stmt because > > it refers to the binding between prefix and imported module revision used= . > > > > Consider how this extra documentation work scales to a big module like > ietf-bgp. > > There are multiple submodules, each with overlapping imports and each wit= h > their own module header. > > > > > > Andy > > > > It is also self-evident (and defined in YANG) that if you augment some > external node > > you have to implement the augmented module. > > > > This is the classic definition of a CLR. > > > > Lada > > > > > > Trying to decompose the problem space .... > I believe it's common sense to include in the RFC text that > ietf-netconf-acm is optional to implement (to take the example in questio= n > in > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-= 11 > ) > Do we agree that this information should also be contained somewhere, > somehow in the YANG module? I would say: yes > > If yes, what are the options? > I agree with Juergen (in a reply in this email thread): ideally a tooling > answer would be better. This will take some time. So what do we do now? > 3 options: > a. import description (description-stmt in import-stmt) > > module ietf-system-capabilities { > > yang-version 1.1; > > namespace > > "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-system-capabilities"; > > prefix sysc; > > > > import ietf-netconf-acm > > { prefix nacm; } > > description "*ietf-netconf-acm is optional to implement*."; > > } > > > b. module description (description-stmt in meta-stmts in > module-stmt/submodule-stmt) > > module ietf-system-capabilities { > > yang-version 1.1; > > namespace > > "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-system-capabilities"; > > prefix sysc; > > > > import ietf-netconf-acm { prefix nacm; } > > > > import ietf-yang-library { > > prefix yanglib; > > description "Revision 2019-01-04 or a > > revision derived from it is REQUIRED."; > > } > > > > organization > > "IETF NETCONF (Network Configuration) Working Group"; > > contact > > "WG Web: > > WG List: > > > > Editor: Balazs Lengyel > > "; > > description > > "This module specifies a module intended to contain system > > capabilities. System capabilities may include capabilities of a > > NETCONF or RESTCONF server or a notification publisher. > > > > ... > > > > > > *ietf-netconf-acm is optional to implement."* > > c. description-stmts for the objects defined in the module > > leaf node-selector { > > type nacm:node-instance-identifier; > > description > > "Selects the data nodes for which capabilities are > > specified. The special value '/' denotes all data nodes > > in the datastore. *ietf-netconf-acm is optional to impleme= nt.*"; > > } > > > c. looks weird to me, and might need repetitions in different YANG > objects. In the end, as an implementer, I only care to understand whether= I > need to implement "ietf-netconf-acm" as a prequesite to implement > ietf-system-capabilities. > > Between a. and b., I have no strong preferences. > However, a. seems to be the logical place to me. > > Regards, Benoit > > > > > > > Regards, Benoit > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 5:44 AM Ladislav Lhotka > wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 2020-01-08 at 04:49 -0800, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 1:11 AM Ladislav Lhotka > wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, 2020-01-07 at 14:29 +0000, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel wrote: > > > > > > > > If that is the consensus, I can remove the description > statements, > > > > > no big > > > > > > > > deal. (I actually like the statements, but they are not > important > > > > > for this > > > > > > > > draft) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, it is not that important, but I don't see how this > > > > > information > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > be harmful, if it is included with the import. In my view, it > is not > > > > > meant > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > conformance requirement but just an info from the module auth= or > > > > > about the > > > > > > > meaning of the import statement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It adds a lot of extra work but more importantly the import-stm= t > is > > > > > the wrong > > > > > > place > > > > > > > > > > What work do you mean? I thought that it would be just info for > > > > > potential > > > > > developers (or their managers) that implementing the module > requires > > > > > implementing other modules and functionality - or not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is duplication because the individual data-def statements should > have > > > > any notes > > > > about implementation requirements. The duplication may even be wron= g. > > > > E.g., in the module it says NACM is not required, but what if some > objects > > > > have NACM requirements listed in the Security Considerations sectio= n? > > > > That is the RFC section to discuss NACM requirements. > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, if a module imports ietf-netconf-nacm only for using > "node- > > > > > instance-identifier" type, it is relatively uninteresting. > Otherwise, > > > > > implementation of the module may just be out of question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to document such a complex and unrelated issue as server > conformance > > > > > > requirements. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The root of this problem (and design flaw of YANG, IMO) is th= at > > > > > import is > > > > > > > "overloaded" with two different purposes, one of which > effectively > > > > > requires > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > the imported module be also implemented, while the other > doesn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The import-stmt is only used to map a local prefix to an extern= al > > > > > module. > > > > > > > > > > But one thing is using a prefix for accessing top-level types and > > > > > groupings > > > > > (i.e. stuff in YANG modules), and another thing is accessing sche= ma > > > > > nodes, which > > > > > have to be present in the schema tree. In complicated data models= , > it is > > > > > not > > > > > exactly easy to figure out all these dependencies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not agree these are different things. > > > > In both cases the prefix is used to determine the imported module > that > > > > contains the identifier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > So maybe what is really overloaded are the namespace prefixes: > they are > > > > > used for > > > > > addressing YANG modules, schema nodes and instances (in XPath). > > > > > > > > > > Lada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > This proposal to add conformance info the the import-stmt would > > > > > overload it > > > > > > with > > > > > > another purpose. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not even a typedef is easy to classify (e.g., leafref requires > > > > > implementation > > > > > > of a data node). > > > > > > I certainly agree that YANG conformance is poorly specified, > poorly > > > > > > understood, and > > > > > > in real need of improvement. Likewise, the import-stmt is also > in need > > > > > of some > > > > > > improvement > > > > > > since import-by-exact-revision is (and has always been) poorly > > > > > designed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Balazs > > > > > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Martin Bjorklund > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 2:38 PM > > > > > > > > To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel > > > > > > > > Cc: andy@yumaworks.com; lhotka@nic.cz; netmod@ietf.org > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a > module > > > > > is > > > > > > > needed as > > > > > > > > import-only or as implemented > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree w/ Andy and others that we should not add this to t= he > > > > > import's > > > > > > > > description. I don't think this kind of conformance text > belongs > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > import's description. If you think it is important to stat= e > this, > > > > > the > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > place is probably as plain text in the document itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > As a draft author who was asked to add text about the > imports > > > > > IMHO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * it would be easy for me to remove the description fro= m > the > > > > > import. > > > > > > > > > Actually I really just want to know what is acceptable to > the > > > > > group, so > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > can proceed > > > > > > > > > * I also think that adding this text is in most cases > easy and > > > > > it does > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > need updates later. > > > > > > > > > * The rules in some cases might not be trivial. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Imported YAMs need to be implemented if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Imported parts are included in Xpath (augment, when, > must, > > > > > require- > > > > > > > > > instance) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Imported YAMs do not need to be implemented if only t= he > > > > > following > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Types > > > > > > > > > * Features > > > > > > > > > * extensions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Ambiguous if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * groupings are used > > > > > > > > > * if the dependency is not formally defined by YANG, bu= t > > > > > functionally > > > > > > > > > needed. (E.g. notification-capabilities does not formally > need > > > > > YANG- > > > > > > > > > Push > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > be implemented, however there is no sense in defining > > > > > capabilities if > > > > > > > YANG- > > > > > > > > > Push is itself not implemented.) > > > > > > > > > * deviation ? > > > > > > > > > * other cases ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards Balazs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: netmod On Behalf Of Andy > Bierman > > > > > > > > > Sent: 2019. december 19., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 17:23 > > > > > > > > > To: Ladislav Lhotka > > > > > > > > > Cc: NetMod WG > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether = a > > > > > module is > > > > > > > > > needed as import-only or as implemented > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 8:00 AM Ladislav Lhotka < > lhotka@nic.cz > > > > > <%0b>> > > > > > > > lhotka@nic.cz> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2019-12-19 at 07:52 +0000, Sch=C3=B6nw=C3=A4lder,= J=C3=BCrgen > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 08:23:27AM +0100, Ladislav Lhot= ka > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I don't see how YANG syntax defines this. If a module > > > > > imports > > > > > > > > > > > ietf-netconf- acm, it could be because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - it just uses a typedef, such as "node-instance- > > > > > identifier", and > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > ietf-netconf-acm needn't be implemented (but can be= ), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - it augments ietf-netconf-acm, which makes sense onl= y > if > > > > > the latter > > > > > > > > > > > module is implemented. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It it the YANG library that specifies whether a modul= e > is > > > > > > > > > > > implemented or not, but the "import" statement itself > > > > > doesn't tell > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can we not assume that an implementor will figure out t= he > > > > > difference? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An implementor should be able to figure it out, but other > > > > > potential > > > > > > > > > module users may not. For example, if somebody is > evaluating > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > to use a module for their device or not, it is important > to know > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > NACM has to be implemented (or not). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to be talking about a new conformance > documentation > > > > > procedure > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that attempts to solve the problem "to use modules A, B, > and C > > > > > > > > > together > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to achieve some functionality X, all these conditions nee= d > to be > > > > > met".. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Sounds more like a problem for YANG Packages to solve) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO this is a much harder problem than something that can > be > > > > > solved > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with extra description-stmt text. The writer is likely to > get it > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > or not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keep it up to date, so a tool to analyze the file seems > like a > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > solution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or someone writes a pyang plugin to determine from the > schema > > > > > tree > > > > > > > > > > the kind of imports there are (for a given set of > features). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /js > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > Ladislav Lhotka > > > > > > > > > Head, CZ.NIC Labs > > > > > > > > > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > netmod mailing list > > > > > > > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > > > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Ladislav Lhotka > > > > > Head, CZ.NIC Labs > > > > > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > netmod mailing list > > > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > netmod mailing list > > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > -- > Ladislav Lhotka > Head, CZ.NIC Labs > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 > > > > --000000000000dffb2005a01e1c1b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 7:52 AM Bal=C3= =A1zs Lengyel <balazs.len= gyel@ericsson.com> wrote:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: And= y Bierman <andy@= yumaworks.com>
Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 5., cs=C3=BCt=C3= =B6rt=C3=B6k 16:43
To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com<= /a>>
Cc: Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com>; NETMOD WG <netmod@ietf.org>
Subjec= t: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a module is needed a= s import-only or as implemented

= =C2=A0

=C2=A0<= /p>

=C2=A0

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 5:31 AM Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@= ericsson.com> wrote:

<= div>

Hello,

Putting this information on individual schema nodes can be a problem if= a module uses imported items a lot. We have modules with 100+ schema nodes= that use an import, while =C2=A0there are only 7 modules imported. Adding = the statement (mandatory/optional to implement) 100 times would be a lot of= text. I also doubt that people will check all 100 places.

IMHO alternatives a) or b) are feasible. (I like a)= the best)

=C2=A0

=C2= =A0

This is a strawman -- nobod= y suggested duplicating the same text over and over in data nodes.

The same issue exists with the r= eference-stmt.=C2=A0 We don't require (or encourage) people to

place a reference to an external= RFC on every leaf. The same judgement can be used here.

<= /div>

=C2=A0

Andy

=C2= =A0BALAZS2: If the first 50 uses of an import don=E2=80=99t need an impleme= nted import-module=C2=A0 but the 51stdoes, then finding this wil= l be difficult, unless we formalize it somehow e.g. with a new statement, e= xtension, standard text, whatever.



I am unclear on the procedures for= this new procedure to be added to the
documentation of all YANG = modules.=C2=A0=C2=A0

1) What does "implement&= quot; mean?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Even in this case, implementation of a = typedef is required.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 So does "implement" = mean "implement data nodes"?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0How is "= implement a leafref typedef" classified?

2) W= hat is the module granularity?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Is the same informati= on repeated in each submodule?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Does a submodule head= er document the implementation requirements
=C2=A0 =C2=A0just for= that submodule?

3) What is the object granularity= ?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Does the author search for every occurrence of th= e prefix and then write a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 summary for that object? = Does the author=C2=A0just stop when implementation of
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 a data node is required (making the boolean statement true)
<= br>

Andy

<= u>

=C2= =A0

From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.o= rg> On Behalf Of Andy Bierman
Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rc= ius 3., kedd 17:14
To: Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com>
Cc: NETM= OD WG <netmod@ietf.= org>
Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whet= her a module is needed as import-only or as implemented

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 12:45 AM Benoi= t Claise <bclaise= @cisco.com> wrote:

Hi,

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:23 AM Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz> wrote= :

On Mon, 2020-03-02 at 09:52 -0800, Andy Bierman wrote:
&g= t;
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 8:57 AM Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com>= wrote:
> > Sorry to resurrect this old email thread.
> >= To me, it's an important piece of information to know that ietf-netcon= f-acm
> > is optional to implement.
> >
> > It = seems that we have 3 potential places where to insert this information
&= gt; > 1. The associated document. We could and should insert it into the= RFC text.
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Drawback: Somehow the YANG modul= e is looked at independently of the
> > associated document
>= ; > 2. import-stmt: people on the list apparently don't like this> > 3. module description? What harm would it do if the description = could
> > contain this info?
> >
> >
> <= br>> IMO it makes more sense to summarize the imported modules that need= to be
> implemented
> and not mention the ones that are not re= quired.=C2=A0 The module description-stmt
> is better
> than ea= ch import. (YANG 1.1 allows the same module to be imported multiple
>= times).

Modules that have to be implemented can be imported only on= ce. Adding this
information to the import statement for such modules is = IMO more effective than
having it in the module description. I don't= get how it could become a problem.

=C2=A0

I do not think this info helps very much. It is duplicate info.=

It should be in the description-s= tmts for the objects defined in the module.

Well, I had in mind the module desc= ription
The "description-stmts for the objects defined in the modul= e" is yet another place.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

The object desc= riptions are the correct level of granularity to be useful.

A boolean statement wrt/ module impleme= ntation is required vs not required is not very useful.

Rarely is the entire module either fully re= quired or nothing to implement at all.

=C2=A0

IM= O it is wrong to conflate the import-stmt with conformance requirements.=

It is merely a mechanism t= o bind local prefix usage to an external module.

Text like "revision X or derived from X = is required" is appropriate for the import-stmt because<= /p>

it refers to the binding between prefi= x and imported module revision used.

=C2=A0

Consider how this extra documentation work scales to a big module like ie= tf-bgp.

There are multip= le submodules, each with overlapping imports and each with their own module= header.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Andy

=C2=A0

It= is also self-evident (and defined in YANG) that if you augment some extern= al node

you have to impl= ement the augmented module.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0This is= the classic definition of a CLR.

=C2=A0

Lada

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Trying to decompose the p= roblem space ....
I believe it's common sense to include in the RFC = text that ietf-netconf-acm is optional to implement (to take the example in= question in https://tools.ietf.org/html/dra= ft-ietf-netconf-notification-capabilities-11)
Do we agree that this = information should also be contained somewhere, somehow in the YANG module?= I would say: yes

If yes, what are the options?
I agree with Juer= gen (in a reply in this email thread): ideally a tooling answer would be be= tter. This will take some time. So what do we do now?
3 options:
a. i= mport description (description-stmt in import-stmt) 

module ietf-system-c=
apabilities {
=C2=A0 yang-version 1.1;
=C2=A0 namespace
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &qu=
ot;urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-system-capabilities";
=C2=A0 prefix sysc;
=C2=A0
=C2=A0 import ietf-netconf-acm 
=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0{ prefix nacm; }
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 description "ietf-netconf-acm is optional to implement.&quo=
t;;
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 }


b. module description (description-stmt in= =C2=A0 meta-stmts in module-stmt/submodule-stmt)

module ietf-system-capab=
ilities {
=C2=A0 yang-version 1.1;
=C2=A0 namespace
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 "u=
rn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-system-capabilities";
=C2=A0 prefix sysc;
=C2=A0
=C2=A0 import ietf-netconf-acm { prefix nacm; }
=

=C2=A0
=C2=A0 import ietf-yang-library {
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 prefix yanglib;
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 description "Revision 2019-01-04 or a<=
/u>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 revision derived from it is RE=
QUIRED.";
=C2=A0 }
=C2=
=A0
=C2=A0 organization
=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 "IETF NETCONF (Network Configuration) Working Group&qu=
ot;;
=C2=A0 contact
=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 "WG Web:=C2=A0=C2=A0 <https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/netc=
onf/>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 WG List:=C2=
=A0 <mailto:netcon=
f@ietf.org>
=C2=A0
=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Editor:=C2=A0=C2=A0 Balazs Lengyel
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <mailto:balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>";
=C2=A0 description
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &=
quot;This module specifies a module intended to contain system
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 capabilities. System capabilitie=
s may include capabilities of a
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 NETCONF or RESTCONF server or a notification publisher.=

=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 ...
=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0ietf-netconf-acm is optional to implement."

c. desc= ription-stmts for the objects defined in the module

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 leaf node-selector {
= 
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0type nacm:node-instance-identifier;
=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 description
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 "Selects the data nodes for which capabilities a=
re
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 specified. The special value '/=
9; denotes all data nodes
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 in the datasto=
re. ietf-netconf-acm is optional to implement.";<=
/pre>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0}


c. looks weird to me, and might need repetitions in different YANG obj= ects. In the end, as an implementer, I only care to understand whether I ne= ed to implement "ietf-netconf-acm" as a prequesite to implement i= etf-system-capabilities.

Between a. and b., I have no strong prefer= ences.
However, a. seems to be the logical place to me.

Regards, = Benoit


>=C2=A0
> > Regards, Benoit
> >
>
= > Andy
>=C2=A0
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 8= , 2020 at 5:44 AM Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz> wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 2= 020-01-08 at 04:49 -0800, Andy Bierman wrote:
> > > > > <= br>> > > > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 1:11 AM Ladislav Lhotka = <lhotka@nic.cz>= ; wrote:
> > > > > > On Tue, 2020-01-07 at 14:29 +0000= , Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel wrote:
> > > > > > > If that = is the consensus, I can remove the description statements,
> > >= ; > no big
> > > > > > > deal. (I actually like = the statements, but they are not important
> > > > for this<= br>> > > > > > > draft)
> > > > > &g= t;
> > > > > > Of course, it is not that important, b= ut I don't see how this
> > > > information
> >= > > > > could
> > > > > > be harmful, if = it is included with the import. In my view, it is not
> > > >= ; meant
> > > > > > as a
> > > > > &= gt; conformance requirement but just an info from the module author
>= > > > about the
> > > > > > meaning of the i= mport statement.
> > > > > >
> > > > &= gt;
> > > > > It adds a lot of extra work but more impor= tantly the import-stmt is
> > > > the wrong
> > >= ; > > place
> > > >
> > > > What work = do you mean? I thought that it would be just info for
> > > >= ; potential
> > > > developers (or their managers) that impl= ementing the module requires
> > > > implementing other modu= les and functionality - or not.
> > > >
> > > = >
> > >
> > >
> > > It is duplica= tion because the individual data-def statements should have
> > &g= t; any notes
> > > about implementation requirements. The dupli= cation may even be wrong.
> > > E.g., in the module it says NAC= M is not required, but what if some objects
> > > have NACM req= uirements listed in the Security Considerations section?
> > > = That is the RFC section to discuss NACM requirements.
> > > > > >
> > > > For example, if a module imports ie= tf-netconf-nacm only for using "node-
> > > > instance-= identifier" type, it is relatively uninteresting. Otherwise,
> &= gt; > > implementation of the module may just be out of question.
= > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > to= document such a complex and unrelated issue as server conformance
> = > > > > requirements.
> > > > >
> >= > > >
> > > > > > The root of this problem = (and design flaw of YANG, IMO) is that
> > > > import is
= > > > > > > "overloaded" with two different pur= poses, one of which effectively
> > > > requires
> >= ; > > > > that
> > > > > > the imported mo= dule be also implemented, while the other doesn't.
> > > &g= t; > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The = import-stmt is only used to map a local prefix to an external
> > = > > module.
> > > >
> > > > But one th= ing is using a prefix for accessing top-level types and
> > > &= gt; groupings
> > > > (i.e. stuff in YANG modules), and anot= her thing is accessing schema
> > > > nodes, which
> &= gt; > > have to be present in the schema tree. In complicated data mo= dels, it is
> > > > not
> > > > exactly easy = to figure out all these dependencies.
> > > >
> > = > >
> > >
> > > I do not agree these are di= fferent things.
> > > In both cases the prefix is used to deter= mine the imported module that
> > > contains the identifier.> > >
> > >
> > > > So maybe what is= really overloaded are the namespace prefixes: they are
> > > &= gt; used for
> > > > addressing YANG modules, schema nodes a= nd instances (in XPath).
> > > >
> > > > La= da
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> &g= t; > Andy
> > >=C2=A0
> > > > > This prop= osal to add conformance info the the import-stmt would
> > > &g= t; overload it
> > > > > with
> > > > >= another purpose.
> > > > >
> > > > > = Not even a typedef is easy to classify=C2=A0 (e.g., leafref requires
>= ; > > > implementation
> > > > > of a data node)= .
> > > > > I certainly agree that YANG conformance is po= orly specified, poorly
> > > > > understood, and
> = > > > > in real need of improvement. Likewise, the import-stmt = is also in need
> > > > of some
> > > > > = improvement
> > > > > since import-by-exact-revision is (= and has always been) poorly
> > > > designed.
> > &= gt; > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >= ; Lada
> > > > > >
> > > > > > &= gt; Balazs
> > > > >
> > > > > Andy> > > > >
> > > > >=C2=A0
> > = > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > = > > > From: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com>
> > > > > >= > Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 2:38 PM
> > > > > &g= t; > To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>
> > = > > > > > Cc: andy@yumaworks.com; lhotka@nic.cz; netmod@ietf.org
> > > > > > > Subject:= Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a module
> > >= > is
> > > > > > needed as
> > > > = > > > import-only or as implemented
> > > > > &g= t; >
> > > > > > > Hi
> > > > &g= t; > >
> > > > > > > I agree w/ Andy and oth= ers that we should not add this to the
> > > > import's<= br>> > > > > > > description.=C2=A0 I don't think = this kind of conformance text belongs
> > > > to the
>= > > > > > > import's description.=C2=A0 If you think= it is important to state this,
> > > > the
> > >= ; > > > best
> > > > > > > place is probab= ly as plain text in the document itself.
> > > > > > &= gt;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >= ; >
> > > > > > > /martin
> > > >= ; > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > = > > > > Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel=3D40ericsson.com@dmarc.i= etf.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > &= gt; > > As a draft author who was asked to add text about the imports=
> > > > IMHO
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0it would be easy for= me to remove the description from the
> > > > import.
&g= t; > > > > > > > Actually I really just want to know w= hat is acceptable to the
> > > > group, so
> > >= > > > I
> > > > > > > > can proceed> > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0I also think that ad= ding this text is in most cases easy and
> > > > it does
= > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > >= ; need updates later.
> > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 = =C2=A0The rules in some cases might not be trivial.
> > > > = > > > >
> > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2= =A0Imported YAMs need to be implemented if
> > > > > >= > >
> > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0Import= ed parts are included in Xpath (augment, when, must,
> > > >= require-
> > > > > > > > instance)
> >= > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > = *=C2=A0 =C2=A0Imported YAMs do not need to be implemented if only the
&g= t; > > > following
> > > > > > are
> &g= t; > > > > > > used
> > > > > > >= >
> > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0Types
&g= t; > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0Features
> > &= gt; > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0extensions
> > > >= ; > > > >
> > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 = =C2=A0Ambiguous if
> > > > > > > >
> >= > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0groupings are used
> >= ; > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0if the dependency is not form= ally defined by YANG, but
> > > > functionally
> > = > > > > > > needed. (E.g. notification-capabilities does = not formally need
> > > > YANG-
> > > > > = > > > Push
> > > > > > to
> > > = > > > > > be implemented, however there is no sense in defin= ing
> > > > capabilities if
> > > > > >= YANG-
> > > > > > > > Push is itself not implem= ented.)
> > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0deviation = ?
> > > > > > > > *=C2=A0 =C2=A0other cases ?> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > = > > Regards Balazs
> > > > > > > >
>= ; > > > > > > >=C2=A0
> > > > > >= ; > >
> > > > > > > > From: netmod <netmod-bounces@i= etf.org> On Behalf Of Andy Bierman
> > > > > > = > > Sent: 2019. december 19., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 17:23
> = > > > > > > > To: Ladislav Lhotka <lhotka@nic.cz>
> > > = > > > > > Cc: NetMod WG <netmod@ietf.org>
> > > > > &g= t; > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Text in import to indicate whether a
= > > > > module is
> > > > > > > > n= eeded as import-only or as implemented
> > > > > > >= ; >
> > > > > > > >=C2=A0
> > >= > > > > >
> > > > > > > >=C2=A0=
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > &= gt; > >=C2=A0
> > > > > > > >
> &g= t; > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 8:00 AM Ladislav L= hotka <lhotka@nic.cz<= /a>
> > > > <mai= lto:
> > > > > > > > lhotka@nic.cz> > wrote:
> > = > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > O= n Thu, 2019-12-19 at 07:52 +0000, Sch=C3=B6nw=C3=A4lder, J=C3=BCrgen wrote:=
> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 08= :23:27AM +0100, Ladislav Lhotka
> > > > wrote:
> > = > > > > > > > > I don't see how YANG syntax def= ines this. If a module
> > > > imports
> > > &g= t; > > > > > > ietf-netconf- acm, it could be because
= > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > &= gt; > > > > > - it just uses a typedef, such as "node-i= nstance-
> > > > identifier", and
> > > >= ; > > then
> > > > > > > > > >=C2=A0= =C2=A0ietf-netconf-acm needn't be implemented (but can be),
> &g= t; > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >= ; > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > &g= t;
> > > > > > > > > > - it augments ietf= -netconf-acm, which makes sense only if
> > > > the latter> > > > > > > > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0module is i= mplemented.
> > > > > > > > > >
> &= gt; > > > > > > > > It it the YANG library that spe= cifies whether a module is
> > > > > > > > >= > implemented or not, but the "import" statement itself
&g= t; > > > doesn't tell
> > > > > > you
= > > > > > > > > > > anything.
> > &g= t; > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >= ; > >
> > > > > > > > > Can we not ass= ume that an implementor will figure out the
> > > > differen= ce?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > >= > > > An implementor should be able to figure it out, but other> > > > potential
> > > > > > > >= module users may not. For example, if somebody is evaluating
> > = > > whether
> > > > > > > > to use a modu= le for their device or not, it is important to know
> > > > = that
> > > > > > > > NACM has to be implemented= (or not).
> > > > > > > >
> > > &g= t; > > > >=C2=A0
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to be talking about a ne= w conformance documentation
> > > > procedure
> > &= gt; > > > > >
> > > > > > > > th= at attempts to solve the problem "to use modules A, B, and C
> = > > > > > > > together
> > > > > >= ; > >
> > > > > > > > to achieve some fun= ctionality X, all these conditions need to be
> > > > met&qu= ot;..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > &g= t; > > > (Sounds more like a problem for YANG Packages to solve)> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >= > >=C2=A0
> > > > > > > >
> > = > > > > > > IMO this is a much harder problem than someth= ing that can be
> > > > solved
> > > > > &= gt; > >
> > > > > > > > with extra descri= ption-stmt text. The writer is likely to get it
> > > > wron= g
> > > > > > > > or not
> > > >= > > > >
> > > > > > > > keep it up= to date, so a tool to analyze the file seems like a
> > > >= better
> > > > > > > > solution.
> > &= gt; > > > > >
> > > > > > > >=C2= =A0
> > > > > > > >
> > > > >= ; > > > Lada
> > > > > > > >
> &= gt; > > > > > >=C2=A0
> > > > > > &= gt; >
> > > > > > > >=C2=A0
> > &g= t; > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And= y
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > &= gt; > >=C2=A0
> > > > > > > >
> &g= t; > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >= ; > Or someone writes a pyang plugin to determine from the schema
>= ; > > > tree
> > > > > > > > > the = kind of imports there are (for a given set of features).
> > > = > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > &= gt; /js
> > > > > > > > >
> > > = > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Ladi= slav Lhotka
> > > > > > > > Head, CZ.NIC Labs> > > > > > > > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67
= > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > &= gt; > _______________________________________________
> > > = > > > > > netmod mailing list
> > > > > &g= t; > > netmod@ie= tf.org <mailto:= netmod@ietf.org>
> > > > > > > > https:/= /www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod
> > > > > > = > >
> > > > --
> > > > Ladislav Lhotk= a
> > > > Head, CZ.NIC Labs
> > > > PGP Key I= D: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67
> > > >
> > > > ______= _________________________________________
> > > > netmod mai= ling list
> > > > netmod@ietf.org
> > > > https://www.ietf.org= /mailman/listinfo/netmod
> > > >
> > >
= > > >
> > > _________________________________________= ______
> > > netmod mailing list
> > > netmod@ietf.org
> > &= gt; https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod
> >=C2=A0 --
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PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76= C67

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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Jurgen, See answers below as "BALAZS3". I am putting them into the -08 revision = this weekend. One general comment: As partial data sets are allowed, it is not always necessary to indicate = if a feature is not supported.=20 E.g. If you have an instance dataset for ietf-system, which does not = include authentication data,=20 you do not care whether the feature authentication is supported or not. Similarly if the deviation does not impact your particular instance data items, you might not care to specify it. Regards Balazs -----Original Message----- From: Sch=F6nw=E4lder, J=FCrgen =20 Sent: 2020. febru=E1r 19., szerda 11:17 To: Bal=E1zs Lengyel Cc: Kent Watsen ; NETMOD Working Group Subject: Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-06 On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 01:40:13PM +0000, Bal=E1zs Lengyel wrote: > See below as BALAZS2. >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Sch=F6nw=E4lder, J=FCrgen > Sent: 2020. febru=E1r 12., szerda 10:07 > Subject: [Not Scanned] - Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: > draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-06 >=20 > > - Is it necessary to describe P2 in terms of (presumably) NETCONF > > operations? I would prefer to have the document written in a > > protocol agnostic style. Perhaps simply drop "similar to the > > response of a operation/request". > > BALAZS: This is a reference both to NETCONF and RESTCONF. It was=20 > > explicitly asked for by other reviewers. >=20 > Well, then the correct wording would be "similar to the response of a=20 > NETCONF operation or the RESTCONF response to a GET method=20 > invocation on the (unified) datastore resource". Sounds complex and I=20 > still prefer the text to be agnostic to specific operations - in=20 > particular since and the unified datastore have their=20 > limitations. The format is simply reusing the already defined data=20 > model encoding formats, i.e., the format has nothing to do with the operations used to retrieve the data. So I suggest: >=20 > P2 Instance data shall reuse existing encoding rules for > YANG defined data.=20 >=20 > There is no need to refer to specific protocol operations. > BALAZS: I will use both of your texts. That is the most common=20 > question I > get: Will this use the same format as a get-reply? People like to=20 > think in terms of a specific easy-to-grasp function instead of a=20 > non-descript set of "existing" rules. Existing means you need to=20 > understand X number of RFCs, while just looking up a get-reply is=20 > easy. It is not precise, but IMHO that's how people think. If you write "reuse existing encoding rules", then actually fewer = documents need to be understood. And operations have additional issues in how they interact with 'datastores', so they may even be misleading and I rather = have the standards precise (and minimal normative dependencies). BALAZS3: Sorry, I don't fully understand your point. What would you like = in P2?=20 The text now is:=20 P2 Instance data shall reuse existing encoding rules for YANG defined data. Its format will be similar to the response of a NETCONF operation or the RESTCONF response to a GET method invocation on the (unified) datastore resource. It refers to existing rules as you asked for and also says" similar" to = a get response, using phrasing from your email on 2020-02-12. =20 Are you OK with this? Or how would you like to change it? =20 > > - Why MUST XML attributes be ignored, why is there no text about > > unknown JSON data, 'attributes' (or annotations)? What should > > implementations generally do about unknown elements, attributes, > > objects, arrays, ...)? Why are we specific about only one = specific > > case? > > BALAZS: Generally we want to allow users/creators to decorate the=20 > > data with additional information, that is not standardized. Like=20 > > YANG extensions these may be useful, but at least should not cause problems. > > XML attributes are often used as meta-data and I was asked to list=20 > > them specifically. > >=20 > I do not understand why there are specific rules for XML encodings but = > not equivalent JSON rules. It looks like either the XML rules are not=20 > needed or equivalent JSON rules are missing if the XML rules are=20 > needed or there should be an explanation why the different encodings=20 > lead to different results (which is operationally rather surprising). > BALAZS2:XML has 2 distinct ways to encode information XML attributes=20 > and elements. JSON only has one uniform way. XML attributes are often = > used to carry metadata which is a useful facility and they are not=20 > used to encode "real" YANG defined data. So we want to allow the use=20 > of XML attributes and not go for a least common denominator of the 2=20 > encodings. IMHO it is a useful facility, IMHO it belongs here, but if = you insist I can remove it. I believe this text is odd for what I wrote below. BALAZS3: IMO as XML attributes are encoding specific (they do not exists = in JSON) the rules about them are also inherently encoding specific.=20 I see no problem with allowing a special rule about them to allow the customers to make use of this richer encoding.=20 =20 > If we want rules that apply to all encodings, they should be expressed = > in an encoding neutral way. The current text and your response leaves=20 > me puzzled what the specification really wants to say here. And do we=20 > have to say something at all? >=20 > > It is unclear what "will be very similar" really means but = perhaps > > this is clarified later. If not, this sentence says nothing in > > terms of a technical specification. >=20 >=20 > > - I like to understand why we need several methods to specify the > > schema. Having N solution is always bad for interoperability and > > also for maintainability. Perhaps the WG failed to reach = consensus > > on a single solution. Or there are strong technical reasons - = but > > then they should be clearly stated. What are implementations > > expected to support, all methods? Or whatever the implementer > > prefers? How do we achieve interoperability across tools? > > BALAZS: Different people in the WG wanted different solutions. > > - Some (as I remember you too) asked for a full flexible solution=20 > > which can use multiple modules potentially not even the=20 > > ietf-yang-library to define the schema (Inline solution) > > - some asked for a simple solution listing the content schema=20 > > modules > > - some wanted just to use a reference (If any this is the one, I=20 > > would > > remove) > > - some stated that they do not want to define the content-schema at=20 > > all because it is already known So we ended up with 4 methods >=20 > But reaching consensus by doing all four is not necessarily cheap. So=20 > what are compliant tools required to implement. All 4 method? > Whatever the implementer prefers? Or is there a mandatory to support=20 > method (other than external ;-)? The WG needs to understand the costs=20 > of having N ways to do the same thing. > BALAZS: 2 methods are mandatory: Simplified-Inline & URI.=20 > Inline is controlled by a feature, so it is optional. =20 > External is inherently optional, as whatever is outside this=20 > specification is undefined thus it may or may not be supported. This means that as soon as I have deviations or I am not supporting all features (this can be quite likely), there is no guaranteed to be = supported way to communicate schema information. Well, if that is what the WG = believes is what we want... BALAZS3: Often you will not care for non-supported features or data = nodes, you just don't provide the instance data for them.=20 OK, I will add that if the feature inline-content-schema is supported, = the usage of ietf-yang-library MUST be supported. This guarantees a common solution even in the complicated case where we do want to specify features/deviations. =20 =20 > In this case, I think it helps to spell out that users cannot assume=20 > that instance data always represents consistent snapshots. > BALAZS2: I would like to avoid the topic. We never stated anything=20 > about the quality of data in the instance data set. > E.g. if this is a snapshot of state data and it takes time to create a = > snapshot, data might change even during creating the snapshot. This is = > not described here or in Netconf or in Restconf. > Why should we describe this in more details than the protocols. I think the phrase 'snapshot of information at a specific point of time' makes the difference for me. I do not think that RFC 6241 or RFC 8040 promise to create a snapshot or a snapshot of information at a = specific point of time. BALAZS: OK> IMHO the word snapshot does not inherently mean consistent. = But I will change the wording: New: "YANG instance data set is created at a specific point in time. If = the data changes afterwards, ..." =20 >=20 > > * Delivery of Instance Data > >=20 > > - Why do we need this SHOULD? I do not think we should use RFC = 2119 > > keywords to define how organizations may use the instance data > > format. My proposal is to delete this entire section. > > BALAZS: I will change it to lower case may. > > I was asked to and I want to state that we want to use instance data = > > both for offline delivery of design time information and for=20 > > run-time delivery of other data. >=20 > But should this not be stated in the use cases and principles list in=20 > section 2? I think section 5 is a mixture of a use-case concern and a=20 > requirement (oops principle): >=20 > PX: Instance data sets may be read from or produced by a live server > [is YANG server the proper term?] or they can be the result of a > specification or design effort that does not involve a live > server. >=20 > I think the essence of section 5 should be integrated into section 2. > What it says seems misplaced in the middle of the document. (I=20 > personally prefer to talk about objectives rather than principles but=20 > that may be just > me.) > BALAZS: OK, I will move it into chapter 2 Introduction. This is really = > not something mandatory on the implementation. I still do not see why one use case gets a subsection while others are elaborated on in the appendix. I am still not sure section 2.2 is = needed. I would rather add the proposed PX to the principles and dump section 2.2. BALAZS3: This was explicitly requested by the group, on multiple = occasions. IMHO it is good information. =20 > > * Backwards Compatibility > >=20 > > - I do not think 'managed entity' is a YANG term. > > BALAZS: What term do you propose for something that is managed like=20 > > an interface or user etc. ? I was told managed entity is a generic=20 > > term that is commonly understood . Would "managed item" or "managed thing" > > be better? > >=20 > > - I think this text is use case specific and the items are kind of > > conflicting with each other (2nd says changing the semantics of = a > > list should lead to a change of the key while the 1st suggests > > that changing keys may lead to misinterpretation of something > > being new). > >=20 > > - My proposal is to simply drop this entire section. If use case > > specific text is needed, add it to the use cases in the = appendix. > > BALAZS: You don't know how many trouble reports we got in multiple=20 > > use-cases for violating these recommendations. While they may not be = > > important for all use-cases, the are important for many. > > Actually we met the problem or had to avoid it in all but one of the = > > listed use-cases. >=20 > This text seems specific to certain use cases or best practices and as = > such I suggest to integrate it into the appendix C. I do not think=20 > this advice needs to be part of the technical instance data format=20 > specification. One could even argue that some of this also concerns=20 > config changes to live servers. My issue is that I find this=20 > discussion misplaced - I like to to see the format definition = separated from any guidelines how to use it. > BALAZS2: I still see this as important as proved by real life=20 > situations and also as a n explicit request from the Yang versioning requirements draft. > The text is specific to some use cases: In practice relevant to 90%=20 > of the use cases. I understand that you care about this specific use case a lot and it = might be 90% in your estimation but this does not change my point that the = text seems guidelines text that I prefer to see separated from the technical instance format specification and hence moved into the matching = appendix. BALAZS3: OK: This was explicitly requested by the group and IMO it is important and have been seen in practice to be needed advice. But I can = move it into an appendix. =20 >=20 > How much simplification is there really compared to the inline method=20 > if I only list modules in the yang library schema without derivations=20 > etc? See my earlier point about which schema formats are mandatory to=20 > implement and whether the simplification is worth the extra code and=20 > possible interoperability issues. > BALAZS2: > Compare: > INLINE method: > > > ietf-yang-library@2016-06-21 > > > xmlns=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-yang-library"> > > ietf-yang-library > 2016-06-21 > > > ietf-netconf-monitoring > 2010-10-04 > > > > >=20 > SIMPLIFIED INLINE method: > > ietf-yang-library@2020-01-14 > ietf-netconf-monitoring@2020-01-14 > The begining is static overhead (does not increase with # of modules) = and the rest marginal when it comes to tools reading this, at least not a = big enough argument for me to invent another format. And once you have a deviation or a feature not implemented, you will need the longer format anyway (or simply announce a schema that is not quite correct - I guess = this is what people will do). BALAZS3: In practice (at least in Ericsson) humans also read and write = the instance data files, so static overhead is bad. It is 18 lines versus = 4. 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I think that we should probably avoid using the term "yid-version" because = "yid" can be regarded as a racial slur, perhaps "file-format-version" would= be safer? But I also agree with Joe that I think that it would be better to tie this = back to the revision-date of the YANG module rather than inventing another = versioning scheme. Ideally, this would be a YANG Semver revision-label, bu= t we don't want this draft to get delayed behind the versioning work. Subject to the outcome of the (so far remarkably quiet) YANG versioning dra= fts adoption call, perhaps this leaf could instead be defined as a string, = which can only currently take the value "1.0.0", thus allowing it to be ext= ended to adopt YANG revision labels and semver in future? Thanks, Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: netmod On Behalf Of Kent Watsen > Sent: 07 January 2020 12:41 > To: NETMOD Working Group > Subject: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file- > format-06 >=20 >=20 > This begins a two-week Working Group Last Call (WGLC) on draft-ietf- > netmod-yang-instance-file-format-06. The WGLC ends on Jan 21. Please > send your comments to the working group mailing list. >=20 > Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe it is > ready for publication", are welcome! This is useful and important, even > from authors. Objections, concerns, and suggestions are also welcomed at > this time. >=20 > Thank you, > NETMOD Chairs >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod From nobody Fri Mar 6 04:46:54 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7E313A0E93 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 04:46:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JoqhX1fH459V for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 04:46:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14C2B3A0E92 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 04:46:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhreml707-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 3BD97FFE93FFA1C3AD3D for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 12:46:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lhreml710-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.61) by lhreml707-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.48) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 12:46:48 +0000 Received: from lhreml710-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.61) by lhreml710-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.61) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1713.5; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 12:46:48 +0000 Received: from DGGEMI403-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.17.136) by lhreml710-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.61) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA) id 15.1.1713.5 via Frontend Transport; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 12:46:48 +0000 Received: from DGGEMI522-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.131]) by dggemi403-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.3.17.136]) with mapi id 14.03.0439.000; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 20:46:39 +0800 From: "taoran (F)" To: "netmod@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Updated draft draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-01 Thread-Index: AdXztSFjofvKitagQ96N4fDb1/nRhA== Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2020 12:46:39 +0000 Message-ID: <9A819AE7BFA8104F8CDA9A55CAFA538C042E9667@dggemi522-mbs.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.138.33.188] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9A819AE7BFA8104F8CDA9A55CAFA538C042E9667dggemi522mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] Updated draft draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-01 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2020 12:46:53 -0000 --_000_9A819AE7BFA8104F8CDA9A55CAFA538C042E9667dggemi522mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, WG, This is Ran. I have updated the draft draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-01 (h= ttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-01). In this doc= ument we define a method to tag data node associated with telemetry data in= YANG Modules. This YANG data node tagging method can be used to provide i= nput, instruction, indication to selection filter and filter queries of ope= rational state on a server during a "pub/sub" service for YANG datastore up= dates and provide multiple dimensional network visibility analysis. Anyone is welcome to make comments on the draft. Thank you. Best regards, Ran Tao --_000_9A819AE7BFA8104F8CDA9A55CAFA538C042E9667dggemi522mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, WG,

 

This is Ran. I have updated the= draft draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-01 (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draf= t-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-01). In this document we define a method to tag= data node associated with telemetry data in YANG Modules.  This YANG data node tagging method can be used= to provide input, instruction, indication to selection filter and filter q= ueries of operational state on a server during a "pub/sub" servic= e for YANG datastore updates and provide multiple dimensional network visibility analysis.

 

Anyone is welcome to make comme= nts on the draft. Thank you.

 

 

Best regards,=

 

Ran Tao

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06 Mar 2020 14:44:38 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_0295_01D5F3CE.1F88A8C0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0296_01D5F3CE.1F88A8C0" ------=_NextPart_001_0296_01D5F3CE.1F88A8C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 From: Kent Watsen =20 Sent: 2020. febru=C3=A1r 14., p=C3=A9ntek 20:15 To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel Subject: Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-06 to -07 =20 Have the YANG modules been validated and tested for formatting? (i.e., pyang -f yang --keep-comments --yang-line-length 69 filename)=20 BALAZS: yes. With pyang offline and yangvalidator.com =20 Have the examples in the draft validated against the YANG module? BALAZS: Only manually. How do you validate samples conforming to a yang = data structure ? =20 Please review the Normative/Informative status of the references. Not looking carefully, but RFCs 2119 and 8174 should be Normative,=20 and I think RFCs 3688 and 6020 should be Informative, right? BALAZS: OK, changed in rev 08=20 =20 All of the =E2=80=9Cimport=E2=80=9D statements in the YANG module are = missing a =E2=80=9Creference=E2=80=9D statement. BALAZS:=20 Added: rfc6991 for types added.=20 Already present:=20 rfc8342 for datastores ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext for ietf-yang-structure-ext =20 Please add a paragraph to Section 5.2 preceding the YANG module indicating all the aforementioned Normative references. BALAZS: OK, I did it, but=20 this is not what is required by = https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8407#section-3.9. I also see no value in this statement. =20 The copyright in the YANG module needs to be 2020 (not 2019) BALAZS: OK =20 Please ensure a blank line between paragraphs in the = =E2=80=9Cdescription" statements. BALAZS: OK =20 Please add a statement to the Introduction regarding why the module Isn=E2=80=99t compliant with NMDA. BALAZS: Sorry, don=E2=80=99t understand. Why is this not compliant with = NMDA ?=20 IMHO it is NMDA compliant, or rather it has nothing to do with NDMA. =20 The tree diagram does not adhere to the syntax described in=20 draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext. =20 BALAZS: OK I try, but what actually is the problem? Any help would be = really appreciated. Sadly=20 pyang -p ../ietfYams ietf-yang-instance-data\@2020-03-06.yang -f tree = --tree-print-yang-data --tree-print-yang-data doesn=E2=80=99t print out anything, so I am handcrafting. I just updated pyang from git. Any idea why this doesn=E2=80=99t work = for me? It would be good if YangValidator would print out the tree. At some = point it did. Not now. :-( Please update the first sentence in Section 5.1 to also reference = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext. BALZS: OK =20 Please ensure that the planning-text version of the draft passes IDNITS (https://www6.ietf.org/tools/idnits = ) at the = =E2=80=9Cverbose output=E2=80=9D level and correct any issues found, or explain why they = shouldn=E2=80=99t be corrected. BALAZS: OK, corrected =20 =20 Thanks, Kent // shepherd =20 On Feb 14, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = > = wrote: =20 Hello Chairs, I replied to Juergen, and exchanged some additional mails with him. I = updated the draft to draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-07. = Please take it forward in the process. https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=3Ded368c2e-b1bcaefa-ed36ccb5-0cc47a= d93e6a-1bf0817821133165 = = &q=3D1&e=3Db8630aed-b037-42b0-a579-0e6e8067e0eb&u=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftools.i= etf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-07 Regards Balazs -----Original Message----- From: netmod > = On Behalf Of Kent Watsen Sent: 2020. febru=C3=A1r 9., vas=C3=A1rnap 20:23 To: netmod@ietf.org =20 Subject: Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-06 This message closes the WGLC. Authors, please respond to Juergen=E2=80=99s message from Jan 20, = ultimately posting an update to the draft. Thanks, Kent // as shepherd On Jan 7, 2020, at 7:41 AM, Kent Watsen > wrote: This begins a two-week Working Group Last Call (WGLC) on = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-06. The WGLC ends on Jan = 21. Please send your comments to the working group mailing list. Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe it is = ready for publication", are welcome! This is useful and important, even = from authors. Objections, concerns, and suggestions are also welcomed = at this time. Thank you, NETMOD Chairs _______________________________________________ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org =20 https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod = =20 _______________________________________________ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org =20 https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod = =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0296_01D5F3CE.1F88A8C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

 

From: Kent Watsen = <kent+ietf@watsen.net>
Sent: 2020. febru=C3=A1r 14., = p=C3=A9ntek 20:15
To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>
Subject: Re: [netmod] WG = Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-06 to = -07

 

Have the YANG modules been validated and tested for = formatting?

(i.e., pyang = -f yang --keep-comments --yang-line-length 69 = filename) 

BALAZS: yes. With = pyang offline and yangvalidator.com

 

Have the examples in the draft validated against the = YANG module?

BALAZS: Only manually. = How do you validate samples conforming to a yang data structure = ?

 

Please review the Normative/Informative status of the = references.

Not looking = carefully, but RFCs 2119 and 8174 should be = Normative, 

and I = think RFCs 3688 and 6020 should be Informative, right?

BALAZS: OK, changed in rev 08 =

 

All of the =E2=80=9Cimport=E2=80=9D statements in the = YANG module are missing a

=E2=80=9Creference=E2=80=9D = statement.

BALAZS:

Added:

rfc6991 for types added. =

Already present:

rfc8342 = for datastores

ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext = for ietf-yang-structure-ext

 

Please add a paragraph to Section 5.2 preceding the = YANG module

indicating all the aforementioned Normative = references.

BALAZS: OK, I did it, but =

this is not what is required by https://tools.ie= tf.org/html/rfc8407#section-3.9.

I also see no value in this = statement.

 

The copyright in the YANG module needs to be 2020 (not = 2019)

BALAZS: = OK

 

Please ensure a blank line between paragraphs in the = =E2=80=9Cdescription"

statements.

BALAZS: = OK

 

Please add a statement to the Introduction regarding = why the module

Isn=E2=80=99t compliant with NMDA.

BALAZS: Sorry, don=E2=80=99t understand. Why is this = not compliant with NMDA ?

IMHO it is = NMDA compliant, or rather it =C2=A0has nothing to do with = NDMA.

 

The tree diagram does not adhere to the syntax = described in 

draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext. =  

BALAZS: OK I try, = but what actually is the problem? Any help would be really = appreciated.

Sadly

pyang -p = ../ietfYams ietf-yang-instance-data\@2020-03-06.yang -f tree = --tree-print-yang-data --tree-print-yang-data

doesn=E2=80=99t print out anything, so I am = handcrafting.

I just updated pyang = from git. Any idea why this doesn=E2=80=99t work for = me?

It would be good if YangValidator = would print out the tree. At some point it did. Not now. = :-(

Please update the first = sentence  in Section 5.1 to also reference = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext.

BALZS: OK

 

Please ensure that the planning-text version of the = draft passes

IDNITS (https= ://www6.ietf.org/tools/idnits) at the =E2=80=9Cverbose = output=E2=80=9D

level and = correct any issues found, or explain why they = shouldn=E2=80=99t

be = corrected.

BALAZS: OK, = corrected

 

 

Thanks,

Kent  // shepherd

 



On Feb 14, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> wrote:

 

Hello Chairs,
I replied to Juergen, and exchanged = some additional mails with him. I updated the draft to = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-07. Please take it forward = in the process.

https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=3D= ed368c2e-b1bcaefa-ed36ccb5-0cc47ad93e6a-1bf0817821133165&q=3D1&e=3D= b8630aed-b037-42b0-a579-0e6e8067e0eb&u=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org= %2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-07
Regards = Balazs

-----Original Message-----
From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> = On Behalf Of Kent Watsen
Sent: 2020. febru=C3=A1r 9., vas=C3=A1rnap = 20:23
To: netmod@ietf.org
Subject: Re: = [netmod] WG Last Call: = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-06

This message = closes the WGLC.

Authors, please respond to Juergen=E2=80=99s = message from Jan 20, ultimately posting an update to the = draft.

Thanks,
Kent // as = shepherd




On = Jan 7, 2020, at 7:41 AM, Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net> = wrote:


This begins a two-week Working Group Last Call (WGLC) = on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-06.  The WGLC ends = on Jan 21.  Please send your comments to the working group mailing = list.

Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document = and believe it is ready for publication", are welcome!  This = is useful and important, even from authors.  Objections, concerns, = and suggestions are also welcomed at this time.

Thank = you,
NETMOD = Chairs

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netmod = mailing list
netmod@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod


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66068c7b-7bbb-4bad-949c-08d7c1dd7d20 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 06 Mar 2020 14:48:52.5815 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5ae1af62-9505-4097-a69a-c1553ef7840e X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: 9Fj5qBTcso5KsBaMn1wmdtWE7vHpqX9ZIF+zBFszILOhkJEzBlb4Mv38hUNhdW0JTRlM3aTqZX3PoxiNoTg8yQ== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BY5PR11MB4072 X-OriginatorOrg: cisco.com X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 173.37.102.15, xch-rcd-005.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: rcdn-core-2.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] URGENT kind of - RE: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-06 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2020 14:48:57 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Bal=E1zs Lengyel > Sent: 06 March 2020 14:23 > To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) ; 'netmod@ietf.org' > > Subject: RE: URGENT kind of - RE: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf- > netmod-yang-instance-file-format-06 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Wilton (rwilton) > Sent: 2020. m=E1rcius 6., p=E9ntek 14:18 > To: Bal=E1zs Lengyel > Subject: RE: URGENT kind of - RE: [netmod] WG Last Call: > draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-06 >=20 > Not a full WGLC review, but one comment that I have on this draft (which > partly picks up a comment that Joe mentioned earlier regarding > "yid-version"). >=20 >=20 > I think that we should probably avoid using the term "yid-version" becaus= e > "yid" can be regarded as a racial slur, perhaps "file-format-version" > would > be safer? > BALAZS: OK, changed to format-version. Shorter & In the future an instanc= e > data set could be transported over the wire without a file around it. [RW]=20 Okay. >=20 > But I also agree with Joe that I think that it would be better to tie thi= s > back to the revision-date of the YANG module rather than inventing anothe= r > versioning scheme. Ideally, this would be a YANG Semver revision-label, > but > we don't want this draft to get delayed behind the versioning work. > BALAZS: OK, go with date. [RW]=20 Okay. Thanks for accommodating, Rob >=20 > Subject to the outcome of the (so far remarkably quiet) YANG versioning > drafts adoption call, perhaps this leaf could instead be defined as a > string, which can only currently take the value "1.0.0", thus allowing it > to > be extended to adopt YANG revision labels and semver in future? >=20 > Rob From nobody Fri Mar 6 18:32:10 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E69F03A108D for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 18:32:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9KWNZi5J2zk6 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 18:31:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3899A3A107A for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 18:31:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from jmbp.local (172-10-235-9.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [172.10.235.9]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 0272VskE047909 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2020 02:31:56 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) X-Authentication-Warning: nagasaki.bogus.com: Host 172-10-235-9.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [172.10.235.9] claimed to be jmbp.local To: "netmod@ietf.org" From: Joel Jaeggli X-Pep-Version: 2.0 Message-ID: <72e87466-5929-6bd6-d231-1b319a6ee19c@bogus.com> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2020 18:31:54 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------EAAFB080DE8DA427DF5FDCF2" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] NETMOD IETF 107 update and call for agenda items X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2020 02:32:09 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------EAAFB080DE8DA427DF5FDCF2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, This note is somewhat late, but we felt the need to get it out this week.= According to the IETF 107 meeting agenda [1], NETMOD is scheduled to meet a total of 3 hours across 2 sessions, both on Monday: =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 13:30-15:30=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Monday Afternoon session= I =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 18:10-19:10=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Monday Afternoon session= III This is clearly will be an atypical meeting, with more remote attendees than usual.=C2=A0 This includes all three WG chairs. If you are interested in presenting to the WG, please send your request not later than COB Monday March 9 to the "netmod-chairs" alias (CC-ed). Please include the following information for each presentation request: =C2=A0- name of the drafts (if any) =C2=A0- name of presentation (usually the title of the draft) =C2=A0- name of the presenter(s) =C2=A0- desired time request (in minutes) =C2=A0- local or remote? Please be advised that=C2=A0the draft submission cutoff deadline [2] is this coming Monday. =C2=A0Please update your drafts before then! 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Some corrections, and adjustments were requested in the discussion between Juergen and Alex.=C2=A0 While the last call window did not see a lot of postive or negative support it aligns well with the dicussion at the last meeting on readiness to advance. I think we can call consensus on this point. if a draft 04 appears shortly addressing the changes that were made I think we can move it along. Thanks joel On 2/17/20 11:42, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > Greetings, > > This was supposed to get processed shortly after IETF 106, however I lo= st track of it. We are therefore running a 2 week WGLC on draft-ietf-netm= od-nmda-diff-03. > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-nmda-diff/ > > the 02 - 03 diff is available here: > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=3Ddraft-ietf-netmod-nmda-diff-02&url2= =3Ddraft-ietf-netmod-nmda-diff-03 > > Please send email to the list indicating your support or concerns. > > This WGLC will conclude Monday March 2nd. > > > Thank you, > NETMOD WG Chairs > --------------5CFE7EB06AE0E3637A233BE7 Content-Type: application/pgp-keys; name="pEpkey.asc" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="pEpkey.asc" -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- mQENBF0zjHcBCAC/VccTV8/Owi3MQVGop8umVKn4stHzV/F4/5+ixMnzkhhRsI1L 305ew6Uh+ypYkKn28X7B5+3zNIRxK+JKkV9QKufSBPFcTd41xoknMtCMSr5QZIln A61tLz2oCIdB6eiTrzI60pHwd0idCOmAEqUP8JLfaQZK9JNQ416Kb/8CHiDhkG0N 17l0EYT+uVVBlUbSAgbaw6gO2csUPeASB6oiFd9AdCBVMQsQ4Q57Giz1oFam/FJw igtZ4TG+fW8dM1k8ngyonN8RzdTwnkkPLCNrttdOfjrv9llianW9Jz48l52ViT39 S82tYLkDuNbQ0AJKK8lniYz0yvs47k5WHF/VABEBAAG0H0pvZWwgSmFlZ2dsaSA8 am9lbGphQGJvZ3VzLmNvbT6JAVQEEwEIAD4WIQTSCLPd1dloH5f5hauFzc47B3GZ 7AUCXTOMdwIbAwUJAeEzgAULCQgHAgYVCgkICwIEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRCFzc47 B3GZ7HcvCAChCaaK8xnP5z7bxz5y5tX15fpEzjjhz0fHe32gJ2uZblWzhX6ch/6z 2k51Pcnf0FJj788Nu+WI0kF/U81jByvbz5WPlEBm7E/D0HLxsIWkbt0AlNjiDIP8 WuTZ0Lom/m7YFzwLTN7g+MI5Jqui/LEKcKAqoo5ioGsDGOIa9Fq7/WWkx7fIYvTR pqSpPKdZs3kz1z9QvncyM3IrY7fOMD4hShCwcA2HU+rl61g6aIZmpG7LXT0ZlHfY UMk8zxL/8/S89p7ZPxhxrjDeYMPxlexmWY9KZS6Ek6ugO2udHeEDagpUpUrmqEgg tK8qSsmclqqWXWps5Bl8JLueamnwV+77uQENBF0zjHcBCADWGXodjIueeHPimoj7 55ExPKJvP8ECZProTxJ86N5xmLP9Fbs70FKSxRwv4at1fWgvEwOU9w0ibq7CT+wo neboxFsWh6GEHlskSlgr5MpqCJXSpcoHABR7aBaBecFAD2YS3Zaf7GUCHcl51Bb8 7Xuj59tS8S5RCMtQ5spAL1unLt/rIBbEaiJR24/vJQLuZAJtAeUQgy0s2daBFKfL j/7AIVGTpbFSpM3iiOOjFnvQsWapzxheLNS57OY7DaQWDsd/E8zFHcTJLpotST4r AkWnXvrCxOkFKX+WJ1TKiy8I0enIa1U8aB+9YswHy4fE3GbGqeMDjSxCziNLKKe+ MlZ1ABEBAAGJATwEGAEIACYWIQTSCLPd1dloH5f5hauFzc47B3GZ7AUCXTOMdwIb DAUJAeEzgAAKCRCFzc47B3GZ7G9dB/9mvCNEjuJVv9IdcziUFrWX8r0rZPRTw+iH 1EKxpE5RWU+LTf3dNJWz/s8pItLkevjIz4tLOdoAa8awj4xqoLkoVFr/LTU7ugaF ZksanT5/E5ZsDm/ngsdUAgOwZvalOU6cdj7Utzk1xWbGfPLnx86a8VzEaCMtzNX6 roW3zJPBcxnDekuvuHnEiAvUBDGhf2GcVafVRuyM0MOlT7jQ0B8N6mcmojJFSJvO 4jFLiT2/9vPgl4i41S3P8jbjEBQ24U26BDBuB3yNOvoaPDcRUsC1sKHHZCr1cwan 0E4HFJ5kouvANneQTsH+QtWnGZ9mtDrmR+qZ4p7+4dXve+HsG64S =3DmE9q -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- --------------5CFE7EB06AE0E3637A233BE7-- From nobody Mon Mar 9 02:44:02 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A44B3A0B93 for ; 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I am putting them into the -08 revision this > weekend. > One general comment: > As partial data sets are allowed, it is not always necessary to indicate if > a feature is not supported. > E.g. If you have an instance dataset for ietf-system, which does not include > authentication data, > you do not care whether the feature authentication is supported or not. > Similarly if the deviation does not impact your particular instance data > items, you might not care to specify it. > Regards Balazs > > -----Original Message----- > From: Schnwlder, Jrgen > Sent: 2020. februr 19., szerda 11:17 > To: Balzs Lengyel > Cc: Kent Watsen ; NETMOD Working Group > > Subject: Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: > draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-06 > > On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 01:40:13PM +0000, Balzs Lengyel wrote: > > See below as BALAZS2. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Schnwlder, Jrgen > > Sent: 2020. februr 12., szerda 10:07 > > Subject: [Not Scanned] - Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: > > draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-06 > > > > > - Is it necessary to describe P2 in terms of (presumably) NETCONF > > > operations? I would prefer to have the document written in a > > > protocol agnostic style. Perhaps simply drop "similar to the > > > response of a operation/request". > > > BALAZS: This is a reference both to NETCONF and RESTCONF. It was > > > explicitly asked for by other reviewers. > > > > Well, then the correct wording would be "similar to the response of a > > NETCONF operation or the RESTCONF response to a GET method > > invocation on the (unified) datastore resource". Sounds complex and I > > still prefer the text to be agnostic to specific operations - in > > particular since and the unified datastore have their > > limitations. The format is simply reusing the already defined data > > model encoding formats, i.e., the format has nothing to do with the > operations used to retrieve the data. So I suggest: > > > > P2 Instance data shall reuse existing encoding rules for > > YANG defined data. > > > > There is no need to refer to specific protocol operations. > > BALAZS: I will use both of your texts. That is the most common > > question I > > get: Will this use the same format as a get-reply? People like to > > think in terms of a specific easy-to-grasp function instead of a > > non-descript set of "existing" rules. Existing means you need to > > understand X number of RFCs, while just looking up a get-reply is > > easy. It is not precise, but IMHO that's how people think. > > If you write "reuse existing encoding rules", then actually fewer documents > need to be understood. And operations have additional issues in how they > interact with 'datastores', so they may even be misleading and I rather have > the standards precise (and minimal normative dependencies). > BALAZS3: Sorry, I don't fully understand your point. What would you like in > P2? > The text now is: > P2 Instance data shall reuse existing encoding rules for YANG > defined data. Its format will be similar to the response of a > NETCONF operation or the RESTCONF response to a GET method > invocation on the (unified) datastore resource. > It refers to existing rules as you asked for and also says" similar" to a > get response, using phrasing from your email on 2020-02-12. > Are you OK with this? Or how would you like to change it? What I proposed above: P2 Instance data shall reuse existing encoding rules for YANG defined data. Your additional sentence is simply wrong. Instance data from lets say with _not_ be 'similar' to the response of a NETCONF operation or the RESTCONF response to a GET method invocation on the (unified) datastore resource. The same holds true for instance data from . > > > - Why MUST XML attributes be ignored, why is there no text about > > > unknown JSON data, 'attributes' (or annotations)? What should > > > implementations generally do about unknown elements, attributes, > > > objects, arrays, ...)? Why are we specific about only one specific > > > case? > > > BALAZS: Generally we want to allow users/creators to decorate the > > > data with additional information, that is not standardized. Like > > > YANG extensions these may be useful, but at least should not cause > problems. > > > XML attributes are often used as meta-data and I was asked to list > > > them specifically. > > > > > I do not understand why there are specific rules for XML encodings but > > not equivalent JSON rules. It looks like either the XML rules are not > > needed or equivalent JSON rules are missing if the XML rules are > > needed or there should be an explanation why the different encodings > > lead to different results (which is operationally rather surprising). > > BALAZS2:XML has 2 distinct ways to encode information XML attributes > > and elements. JSON only has one uniform way. XML attributes are often > > used to carry metadata which is a useful facility and they are not > > used to encode "real" YANG defined data. So we want to allow the use > > of XML attributes and not go for a least common denominator of the 2 > > encodings. IMHO it is a useful facility, IMHO it belongs here, but if you > insist I can remove it. > > I believe this text is odd for what I wrote below. > BALAZS3: IMO as XML attributes are encoding specific (they do not exists in > JSON) the rules about them are also inherently encoding specific. > I see no problem with allowing a special rule about them to allow the > customers to make use of this richer encoding. I strongly prefer to stay as much as possible encoding independent. If the intention is to say that 'unknown metadata MUST be ignored', then say this in an encoding neutral way. In fact, -09 has already: implementation specific metadata relevant to individual data nodes. Unknown metadata MUST be ignored by users of instance data, allowing it to be used later for other purposes. Hence, I think the following item talking specifically about XML attributes is not needed. > > If we want rules that apply to all encodings, they should be expressed > > in an encoding neutral way. The current text and your response leaves > > me puzzled what the specification really wants to say here. And do we > > have to say something at all? > > > > > It is unclear what "will be very similar" really means but perhaps > > > this is clarified later. If not, this sentence says nothing in > > > terms of a technical specification. > > > > > > > > - I like to understand why we need several methods to specify the > > > schema. Having N solution is always bad for interoperability and > > > also for maintainability. Perhaps the WG failed to reach consensus > > > on a single solution. Or there are strong technical reasons - but > > > then they should be clearly stated. What are implementations > > > expected to support, all methods? Or whatever the implementer > > > prefers? How do we achieve interoperability across tools? > > > BALAZS: Different people in the WG wanted different solutions. > > > - Some (as I remember you too) asked for a full flexible solution > > > which can use multiple modules potentially not even the > > > ietf-yang-library to define the schema (Inline solution) > > > - some asked for a simple solution listing the content schema > > > modules > > > - some wanted just to use a reference (If any this is the one, I > > > would > > > remove) > > > - some stated that they do not want to define the content-schema at > > > all because it is already known So we ended up with 4 methods > > > > But reaching consensus by doing all four is not necessarily cheap. So > > what are compliant tools required to implement. All 4 method? > > Whatever the implementer prefers? Or is there a mandatory to support > > method (other than external ;-)? The WG needs to understand the costs > > of having N ways to do the same thing. > > BALAZS: 2 methods are mandatory: Simplified-Inline & URI. > > Inline is controlled by a feature, so it is optional. > > External is inherently optional, as whatever is outside this > > specification is undefined thus it may or may not be supported. > > This means that as soon as I have deviations or I am not supporting all > features (this can be quite likely), there is no guaranteed to be supported > way to communicate schema information. Well, if that is what the WG believes > is what we want... > BALAZS3: Often you will not care for non-supported features or data nodes, > you just don't provide the instance data for them. > OK, I will add that if the feature inline-content-schema is supported, the > usage of ietf-yang-library MUST be supported. This guarantees a common > solution even in the complicated case where we do want to specify > features/deviations. OK > > In this case, I think it helps to spell out that users cannot assume > > that instance data always represents consistent snapshots. > > BALAZS2: I would like to avoid the topic. We never stated anything > > about the quality of data in the instance data set. > > E.g. if this is a snapshot of state data and it takes time to create a > > snapshot, data might change even during creating the snapshot. This is > > not described here or in Netconf or in Restconf. > > Why should we describe this in more details than the protocols. I will not fight for this but generally warning signs are a good idea (even if we missed warning signs elsewhere). > I think the phrase 'snapshot of information at a specific point of time' > makes the difference for me. I do not think that RFC 6241 or RFC > 8040 promise to create a snapshot or a snapshot of information at a specific > point of time. > BALAZS: OK> IMHO the word snapshot does not inherently mean consistent. But > I will change the wording: > New: "YANG instance data set is created at a specific point in time. If the > data changes afterwards, ..." OK... > > > * Delivery of Instance Data > > > > > > - Why do we need this SHOULD? I do not think we should use RFC 2119 > > > keywords to define how organizations may use the instance data > > > format. My proposal is to delete this entire section. > > > BALAZS: I will change it to lower case may. > > > I was asked to and I want to state that we want to use instance data > > > both for offline delivery of design time information and for > > > run-time delivery of other data. > > > > But should this not be stated in the use cases and principles list in > > section 2? I think section 5 is a mixture of a use-case concern and a > > requirement (oops principle): > > > > PX: Instance data sets may be read from or produced by a live server > > [is YANG server the proper term?] or they can be the result of a > > specification or design effort that does not involve a live > > server. > > > > I think the essence of section 5 should be integrated into section 2. > > What it says seems misplaced in the middle of the document. (I > > personally prefer to talk about objectives rather than principles but > > that may be just > > me.) > > BALAZS: OK, I will move it into chapter 2 Introduction. This is really > > not something mandatory on the implementation. > > I still do not see why one use case gets a subsection while others are > elaborated on in the appendix. I am still not sure section 2.2 is needed. I > would rather add the proposed PX to the principles and dump section 2.2. > BALAZS3: This was explicitly requested by the group, on multiple occasions. > IMHO it is good information. See, I even proposed to turn some of this into a 'principle' (while suggesting to move the use-case specific text to the use cases). (Looking at 2.1 again, I would in the first P1 indicate that the solution should allow for encoding extensibility but too late to bring this up.) P1 Two standard formats shall be defined based on the XML and JSON encodings and extensibility should be provided to support future YANG encoding formats. > > > * Backwards Compatibility > > > > > > - I do not think 'managed entity' is a YANG term. > > > BALAZS: What term do you propose for something that is managed like > > > an interface or user etc. ? I was told managed entity is a generic > > > term that is commonly understood . Would "managed item" or "managed > thing" > > > be better? > > > > > > - I think this text is use case specific and the items are kind of > > > conflicting with each other (2nd says changing the semantics of a > > > list should lead to a change of the key while the 1st suggests > > > that changing keys may lead to misinterpretation of something > > > being new). > > > > > > - My proposal is to simply drop this entire section. If use case > > > specific text is needed, add it to the use cases in the appendix. > > > BALAZS: You don't know how many trouble reports we got in multiple > > > use-cases for violating these recommendations. While they may not be > > > important for all use-cases, the are important for many. > > > Actually we met the problem or had to avoid it in all but one of the > > > listed use-cases. > > > > This text seems specific to certain use cases or best practices and as > > such I suggest to integrate it into the appendix C. I do not think > > this advice needs to be part of the technical instance data format > > specification. One could even argue that some of this also concerns > > config changes to live servers. My issue is that I find this > > discussion misplaced - I like to to see the format definition separated > from any guidelines how to use it. > > BALAZS2: I still see this as important as proved by real life > > situations and also as a n explicit request from the Yang versioning > requirements draft. > > The text is specific to some use cases: In practice relevant to 90% > > of the use cases. > > I understand that you care about this specific use case a lot and it might > be 90% in your estimation but this does not change my point that the text > seems guidelines text that I prefer to see separated from the technical > instance format specification and hence moved into the matching appendix. > > BALAZS3: OK: This was explicitly requested by the group and IMO it is > important and have been seen in practice to be needed advice. But I can move > it into an appendix. Thanks. > > How much simplification is there really compared to the inline method > > if I only list modules in the yang library schema without derivations > > etc? See my earlier point about which schema formats are mandatory to > > implement and whether the simplification is worth the extra code and > > possible interoperability issues. > > BALAZS2: > > Compare: > > INLINE method: > > > > > > ietf-yang-library@2016-06-21 > > > > > > > xmlns="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-yang-library"> > > > > ietf-yang-library > > 2016-06-21 > > > > > > ietf-netconf-monitoring > > 2010-10-04 > > > > > > > > > > > > SIMPLIFIED INLINE method: > > > > ietf-yang-library@2020-01-14 > > ietf-netconf-monitoring@2020-01-14 > > > > The begining is static overhead (does not increase with # of modules) and > the rest marginal when it comes to tools reading this, at least not a big > enough argument for me to invent another format. And once you have a > deviation or a feature not implemented, you will need the longer format > anyway (or simply announce a schema that is not quite correct - I guess this > is what people will do). > > BALAZS3: In practice (at least in Ericsson) humans also read and write the > instance data files, so static overhead is bad. It is 18 lines versus 4. > People (Rob, and someone else maybe Reshad ?) explicitly asked for the > simple-inline format. Several lines are static that the core is ietf-yang-library@2020-01-14 ietf-netconf-monitoring@2020-01-14 vs ietf-yang-library2016-06-21 ietf-netconf-monitoring2010-10-04 so this is just syntactic sugar if I understand correctly. 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"netmod-chairs@ietf.org" References: <0bea8c03-9e1c-f032-7dac-115f4813eba1@labn.net> From: Benoit Claise Message-ID: <8cac3f4d-9697-abab-2604-2ef8f6de88f0@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2020 15:38:48 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------454D0AA303C1380692D6CC79" Content-Language: en-US X-Authenticated-User: bclaise X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 10.55.221.38, ams-bclaise-nitro5.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: aer-core-4.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption of versioning design team docs X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2020 14:38:55 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------454D0AA303C1380692D6CC79 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Support. Regards, B. > > As a contributor/DT-member I support the adoption of this set of > documents. > > *From:*netmod *On Behalf Of *Lou Berger > *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 5:30 PM > *To:* NETMOD Group > *Cc:* netmod-chairs@ietf.org > *Subject:* [netmod] Adoption of versioning design team docs > > Hi, > We'd like to start a two week adoption call for the set of documents described below by Rob.  To be specific, this includes > 1) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03 > 2) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01 > 3) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01 > 4) draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03 > 5) draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 > 6) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00 > The adoption call ends in two weeks, on March 16. > Please voice your support or objections on list.  While we prefer to adopt as a set, objections on specific documents are acceptable. > Netmod Chairs > On 2/29/2020 2:21 AM, Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote: > > Netmod chairs, > > The version selection draft draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 is now posted.  With that, the YANG versioning design team would like to please request you make an WG adoption call for these documents. > > The updated full list is: > > 1) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03 > >   - Solution overview, updated since 106 to cover updates to version selection and schema comparison drafts. > > 2) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01 > >   - Base module versioning solution, unchanged from the version presented at 106. > > 3) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01 > >   - YANG Semantic version numbers, unchanged from the version presented at 106. > > 4) draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03 > >   - YANG packages draft, updated since 106 > > > > 5) draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 > >  - Version selection, updated since 106, as per notes below > > 6) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00 > >   - Schema comparison tooling, unchanged from the version presented at 106. > > The main changes to the version selection draft are: > >   - We have tried to simplify the model, but at the same time give servers more flexibility about how they implement version selection and what it can be used for.  E.g. if the server wants to allow a client to choose between different schema versions, but require that all clients use the same schema version, that is now possible > >   - The draft explicitly disallows schema-selection happening mid-session > >   - The solution allows the server to require clients to configure schema-sets before they are used > >   - The solution provides more information about which schema-sets are compatible with each other > > Regards, > > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod --------------454D0AA303C1380692D6CC79 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Support.

Regards, B.

As a contributor/DT-member I support the adoption of this set of documents.

 

From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Lou Berger
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 5:30 PM
To: NETMOD Group <netmod@ietf.org>
Cc: netmod-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [netmod] Adoption of versioning design team docs

 

Hi,
We'd like to start a two week adoption call for the set of documents described below by Rob.  To be specific, this includes
1) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03
2) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01
3) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01
4) draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03
5) draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02
6) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00
 
The adoption call ends in two weeks, on March 16.  
 
Please voice your support or objections on list.  While we prefer to adopt as a set, objections on specific documents are acceptable.
 
Netmod Chairs
 
On 2/29/2020 2:21 AM, Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote:
Netmod chairs,
 
The version selection draft draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 is now posted.  With that, the YANG versioning design team would like to please request you make an WG adoption call for these documents.
 
The updated full list is:
 
1) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03
  - Solution overview, updated since 106 to cover updates to version selection and schema comparison drafts.
 
2) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01
  - Base module versioning solution, unchanged from the version presented at 106.
 
3) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01
  - YANG Semantic version numbers, unchanged from the version presented at 106.
 
4) draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03
  - YANG packages draft, updated since 106
  
5) draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02
  - Version selection, updated since 106, as per notes below
 
6) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00
  - Schema comparison tooling, unchanged from the version presented at 106.
 
The main changes to the version selection draft are:
  - We have tried to simplify the model, but at the same time give servers more flexibility about how they implement version selection and what it can be used for.  E.g. if the server wants to allow a client to choose between different schema versions, but require that all clients use the same schema version, that is now possible
  - The draft explicitly disallows schema-selection happening mid-session
  - The solution allows the server to require clients to configure schema-sets before they are used
  - The solution provides more information about which schema-sets are compatible with each other
 
Regards,
Rob
 
 

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--------------454D0AA303C1380692D6CC79-- From nobody Mon Mar 9 07:42:30 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FD353A094C; Mon, 9 Mar 2020 07:42:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JF3DUUl7qHOZ; Mon, 9 Mar 2020 07:42:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-1.cisco.com (aer-iport-1.cisco.com [173.38.203.51]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 347D23A0952; Mon, 9 Mar 2020 07:42:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=7360; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1583764938; x=1584974538; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date: mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=PzAg9Qf/oxFMvQtt1mDVLO4ymxYaAFa1rUSWYWIeHPI=; b=J+ysU15Lhl/yXns9dzSL01A/OcFTkeXIk+hX5CjuCzGg3VZ8YpUKZrgk XECQML2dsjX7hBvFZafzXX9/vVOwUYFHOKJB66rvE49QenTwpS0YP52vs 3NmWZFmjxIHW7MrJWZPMCopfXTJR2sXS2Ovbq4i2BuVnuJ4Xm2kLUAgAG U=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="5.70,533,1574121600"; d="scan'208,217"; a="24215805" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-3.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA; 09 Mar 2020 14:42:16 +0000 Received: from [10.55.221.38] (ams-bclaise-nitro5.cisco.com [10.55.221.38]) (authenticated bits=0) by aer-core-3.cisco.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 029EgFZY015990 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 9 Mar 2020 14:42:16 GMT To: Lou Berger , rwilton@cisco.com Cc: netmod@ietf.org, netmod-ver-dt@ietf.org References: <0515e5bd-21fb-f26a-e403-3f8f18b99bf1@labn.net> From: Benoit Claise Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2020 15:42:15 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0515e5bd-21fb-f26a-e403-3f8f18b99bf1@labn.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------4F2476AED0BEF550F6A242B2" Content-Language: en-US X-Authenticated-User: bclaise X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 10.55.221.38, ams-bclaise-nitro5.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: aer-core-3.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] [Netmod-ver-dt] Regarding IPR on draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2020 14:42:21 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4F2476AED0BEF550F6A242B2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Lou, "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" Note: there are more contributors. See https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00#section-8 o Balazs Lengyel o Benoit Claise o Bo Wu o Ebben Aries o Jason Sterne o Joe Clarke o Juergen Schoenwaelder o Mahesh Jethanandani o Michael Wang o Qin Wu o Reshad Rahman o Rob Wilton regards, Benoit. > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of preparation for WG Adoption: > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. > > We note that all DT members are listed as contributors.  If you > contributed to the document please respond.  Alternatively, please > feel free to state that you didn't materially contribute to the draft > and would like your name removed from the contribution section (and > moved to acknowledgments after WG adoption). > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. 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Hi Lou,

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"

Note: there are more contributors. See
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00#section-8
   o  Balazs Lengyel

   o  Benoit Claise

   o  Bo Wu

   o  Ebben Aries

   o  Jason Sterne

   o  Joe Clarke

   o  Juergen Schoenwaelder

   o  Mahesh Jethanandani

   o  Michael Wang

   o  Qin Wu

   o  Reshad Rahman

   o  Rob Wilton
regards, Benoit.
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This document will not advance to the next > stage until a response has been received from each author. > > NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. > > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from > participating in any contribution or discussion related to your > undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above > and > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > > Thank you, > NetMod WG Chairs > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > response. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Netmod-ver-dt mailing list > Netmod-ver-dt@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod-ver-dt > . --------------216FE6A54639008704141ADD Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03#section-3
   o  Balazs Lengyel

   o  Benoit Claise

   o  Ebben Aries

   o  Jason Sterne

   o  Joe Clarke

   o  Juergen Schoenwaelder

   o  Mahesh Jethanandani

   o  Michael (Wangzitao)

   o  Qin Wu

   o  Reshad Rahman

   o  Rob Wilton

   o  Susan Hares

   o  Wu Bo
Regards, B.
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and
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Thank you,
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--------------216FE6A54639008704141ADD-- From nobody Mon Mar 9 08:10:02 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B07DB3A11DF; Mon, 9 Mar 2020 08:10:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4L4IXe4cOGZu; Mon, 9 Mar 2020 08:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trail.lhotka.name (trail.lhotka.name [77.48.224.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD7963A11D9; Mon, 9 Mar 2020 08:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by trail.lhotka.name (Postfix, from userid 109) id ED6DA860044; Mon, 9 Mar 2020 16:08:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (unknown [195.113.220.107]) by trail.lhotka.name (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CA422860041; Mon, 9 Mar 2020 16:08:25 +0100 (CET) From: Ladislav Lhotka To: Lou Berger , NETMOD Group Cc: "netmod-chairs\@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: <0bea8c03-9e1c-f032-7dac-115f4813eba1@labn.net> References: <0bea8c03-9e1c-f032-7dac-115f4813eba1@labn.net> Mail-Followup-To: Lou Berger , NETMOD Group , "netmod-chairs\@ietf.org" Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2020 16:09:51 +0100 Message-ID: <87tv2xd0ow.fsf@nic.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption of versioning design team docs X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2020 15:10:01 -0000 I support the adoption of the entire document set. Lada Lou Berger writes: > Hi, > We'd like to start a two week adoption call for the set of documents described below by Rob. To be specific, this includes > 1) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03 > 2) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01 > 3) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01 > 4) draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03 > 5) draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 > 6) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00 > > The adoption call ends in two weeks, on March 16. > > Please voice your support or objections on list. While we prefer to adopt as a set, objections on specific documents are acceptable. > > Netmod Chairs > > On 2/29/2020 2:21 AM, Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote: > >> Netmod chairs, >> >> The version selection draft draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 is now posted. With that, the YANG versioning design team would like to please request you make an WG adoption call for these documents. >> >> The updated full list is: >> >> 1) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03 >> - Solution overview, updated since 106 to cover updates to version selection and schema comparison drafts. >> >> 2) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01 >> - Base module versioning solution, unchanged from the version presented at 106. >> >> 3) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01 >> - YANG Semantic version numbers, unchanged from the version presented at 106. >> >> 4) draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03 >> - YANG packages draft, updated since 106 >> >> 5) draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 >> - Version selection, updated since 106, as per notes below >> >> 6) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00 >> - Schema comparison tooling, unchanged from the version presented at 106. >> >> The main changes to the version selection draft are: >> - We have tried to simplify the model, but at the same time give servers more flexibility about how they implement version selection and what it can be used for. E.g. if the server wants to allow a client to choose between different schema versions, but require that all clients use the same schema version, that is now possible >> - The draft explicitly disallows schema-selection happening mid-session >> - The solution allows the server to require clients to configure schema-sets before they are used >> - The solution provides more information about which schema-sets are compatible with each other >> >> Regards, >> Rob >> >> > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod -- Ladislav Lhotka Head, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 From nobody Mon Mar 9 08:25:06 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596FD3A1241; Mon, 9 Mar 2020 08:24:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO 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See BALAZS4 below -----Original Message----- From: Juergen Schoenwaelder =20 Sent: 2020. m=E1rcius 9., h=E9tf=F5 10:44 To: Bal=E1zs Lengyel Subject: Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-06 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sch=F6nw=E4lder, J=FCrgen = > > Sent: 2020. febru=E1r 12., szerda 10:07 > > Subject: [Not Scanned] - Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: > > draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-06 > >=20 > > > - Is it necessary to describe P2 in terms of (presumably) = NETCONF > > > operations? I would prefer to have the document written in a > > > protocol agnostic style. Perhaps simply drop "similar to the > > > response of a operation/request". > > > BALAZS: This is a reference both to NETCONF and RESTCONF. It was=20 > > > explicitly asked for by other reviewers. > >=20 > > Well, then the correct wording would be "similar to the response of=20 > > a NETCONF operation or the RESTCONF response to a GET method=20 > > invocation on the (unified) datastore resource". Sounds complex and=20 > > I still prefer the text to be agnostic to specific operations - in=20 > > particular since and the unified datastore have their=20 > > limitations. The format is simply reusing the already defined data=20 > > model encoding formats, i.e., the format has nothing to do with the > operations used to retrieve the data. So I suggest: > >=20 > > P2 Instance data shall reuse existing encoding rules for > > YANG defined data.=20 > >=20 > > There is no need to refer to specific protocol operations. > > BALAZS: I will use both of your texts. That is the most common=20 > > question I > > get: Will this use the same format as a get-reply? People like to=20 > > think in terms of a specific easy-to-grasp function instead of a=20 > > non-descript set of "existing" rules. Existing means you need to=20 > > understand X number of RFCs, while just looking up a get-reply is=20 > > easy. It is not precise, but IMHO that's how people think. >=20 > If you write "reuse existing encoding rules", then actually fewer=20 > documents need to be understood. And operations have additional issues = > in how they interact with 'datastores', so they may even be misleading = > and I rather have the standards precise (and minimal normative dependencies). > BALAZS3: Sorry, I don't fully understand your point. What would you=20 > like in P2? > The text now is:=20 > P2 Instance data shall reuse existing encoding rules for YANG > defined data. Its format will be similar to the response of a > NETCONF operation or the RESTCONF response to a GET = method > invocation on the (unified) datastore resource. > It refers to existing rules as you asked for and also says" similar"=20 > to a get response, using phrasing from your email on 2020-02-12. > Are you OK with this? Or how would you like to change it? What I proposed above: P2 Instance data shall reuse existing encoding rules for YANG defined data. Your additional sentence is simply wrong. Instance data from lets say with _not_ be 'similar' to the response of a NETCONF operation or the RESTCONF response to a GET method invocation on the (unified) datastore resource. The same holds true for instance data from . BALAZS4: I would like to keep the second part of the sentence. 4+ people asked me explicitly to state this similarity during the development of the draft. While your methodical and somewhat abstract = way of thinking has greatly helped me/us in many cases, IMHO other people often think in the terms of examples and in recognizing known similar methodology. As the we use the same encoding rules for get replies and = for instance data, IMHO they are similar even if instance data allows some additions/omissions. (People liked/requested this statement, even though "similar" is a rather subjective term.) Anyway it is only included in the introduction part, so while it helps = some people, it should not cause problems with the precise definition of the format. On your request I already removed a similar statement from the normative parts. -------------------------------------------- > > > - Why MUST XML attributes be ignored, why is there no text about > > > unknown JSON data, 'attributes' (or annotations)? What should > > > implementations generally do about unknown elements, = attributes, > > > objects, arrays, ...)? Why are we specific about only one = specific > > > case? > > > BALAZS: Generally we want to allow users/creators to decorate the = > > > data with additional information, that is not standardized. Like=20 > > > YANG extensions these may be useful, but at least should not=20 > > > cause > problems. > > > XML attributes are often used as meta-data and I was asked to list = > > > them specifically. > > >=20 > > I do not understand why there are specific rules for XML encodings=20 > > but not equivalent JSON rules. It looks like either the XML rules=20 > > are not needed or equivalent JSON rules are missing if the XML rules = > > are needed or there should be an explanation why the different=20 > > encodings lead to different results (which is operationally rather surprising). > > BALAZS2:XML has 2 distinct ways to encode information XML attributes = > > and elements. JSON only has one uniform way. XML attributes are=20 > > often used to carry metadata which is a useful facility and they are = > > not used to encode "real" YANG defined data. So we want to allow the = > > use of XML attributes and not go for a least common denominator of=20 > > the 2 encodings. IMHO it is a useful facility, IMHO it belongs here, = > > but if you > insist I can remove it. >=20 > I believe this text is odd for what I wrote below. > BALAZS3: IMO as XML attributes are encoding specific (they do not=20 > exists in > JSON) the rules about them are also inherently encoding specific.=20 > I see no problem with allowing a special rule about them to allow the=20 > customers to make use of this richer encoding. I strongly prefer to stay as much as possible encoding independent. If = the intention is to say that 'unknown metadata MUST be ignored', then say = this in an encoding neutral way. In fact, -09 has already: implementation specific metadata relevant to individual data nodes. Unknown metadata MUST be ignored by users of instance data, allowing it to be used later for other purposes. Hence, I think the following item talking specifically about XML = attributes is not needed. BALAZS4: OK. I will remove it. > > If we want rules that apply to all encodings, they should be=20 > > expressed in an encoding neutral way. The current text and your=20 > > response leaves me puzzled what the specification really wants to=20 > > say here. And do we have to say something at all? > >=20 -------------------------------------------- > > > * Delivery of Instance Data > > >=20 > > > - Why do we need this SHOULD? I do not think we should use RFC = 2119 > > > keywords to define how organizations may use the instance data > > > format. My proposal is to delete this entire section. > > > BALAZS: I will change it to lower case may. > > > I was asked to and I want to state that we want to use instance=20 > > > data both for offline delivery of design time information and for=20 > > > run-time delivery of other data. > >=20 > > But should this not be stated in the use cases and principles list=20 > > in section 2? I think section 5 is a mixture of a use-case concern=20 > > and a requirement (oops principle): > >=20 > > PX: Instance data sets may be read from or produced by a live = server > > [is YANG server the proper term?] or they can be the result of = a > > specification or design effort that does not involve a live > > server. > >=20 > > I think the essence of section 5 should be integrated into section = 2. > > What it says seems misplaced in the middle of the document. (I=20 > > personally prefer to talk about objectives rather than principles=20 > > but that may be just > > me.) > > BALAZS: OK, I will move it into chapter 2 Introduction. This is=20 > > really not something mandatory on the implementation. >=20 > I still do not see why one use case gets a subsection while others are = > elaborated on in the appendix. I am still not sure section 2.2 is=20 > needed. I would rather add the proposed PX to the principles and dump section 2.2. > BALAZS3: This was explicitly requested by the group, on multiple occasions. > IMHO it is good information. See, I even proposed to turn some of this into a 'principle' (while suggesting to move the use-case specific text to the use cases). BALAZS4: While I would be OK with your PX: principle, I was explicitly = asked to write about the DELIVERY of the instance data, not just about how it = is produced. (Looking at 2.1 again, I would in the first P1 indicate that the = solution should allow for encoding extensibility but too late to bring this up.) P1 Two standard formats shall be defined based on the XML and JSON encodings and extensibility should be provided to support future YANG encoding formats. BALAZS4: I agree with your idea. It is also stated in chapter3. > > How much simplification is there really compared to the inline=20 > > method if I only list modules in the yang library schema without=20 > > derivations etc? See my earlier point about which schema formats are = > > mandatory to implement and whether the simplification is worth the=20 > > extra code and possible interoperability issues. > > BALAZS2: > > Compare: > > INLINE method: > > > > > > ietf-yang-library@2016-06-21 > > > > > > > xmlns=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-yang-library"> > > > > ietf-yang-library > > 2016-06-21 > > > > > > ietf-netconf-monitoring > > 2010-10-04 > > > > > > > > > >=20 > > SIMPLIFIED INLINE method: > > > > ietf-yang-library@2020-01-14 > > ietf-netconf-monitoring@2020-01-14 > > >=20 > The begining is static overhead (does not increase with # of modules)=20 > and the rest marginal when it comes to tools reading this, at least=20 > not a big enough argument for me to invent another format. And once=20 > you have a deviation or a feature not implemented, you will need the=20 > longer format anyway (or simply announce a schema that is not quite=20 > correct - I guess this is what people will do). >=20 > BALAZS3: In practice (at least in Ericsson) humans also read and write = > the instance data files, so static overhead is bad. It is 18 lines = versus 4. > People (Rob, and someone else maybe Reshad ?) explicitly asked for the = > simple-inline format. Several lines are static that the core is ietf-yang-library@2020-01-14 ietf-netconf-monitoring@2020-01-14 vs =20 ietf-yang-library2016-06-21 =20 ietf-netconf-monitoring2010-10-04< /module> so this is just syntactic sugar if I understand correctly. But if I can = turn the syntactic sugar format algorithmically into the more powerful yang-library format, then I will shut up on this. BALAZS4: You can translate the simplified format into the powerful = inline (yang-library format) algorithmically. 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X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Id: f78e973e-5c0b-4ab8-bbd7-9887c95a8ebd X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-MailboxType: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-UserPrincipalName: Cj8YLiPbpMwWI+arNSI/j5er723Mev1SDzNAc/rxVatbubTgveA0+ZvfXO0W4D7kOYxek7LrlhZEZEzGp7gAljByfE1DJ0XplRadNQC9vbY= X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM4P190MB0195 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-06 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2020 16:36:02 -0000 On Mon, Mar 09, 2020 at 04:17:40PM +0000, Balázs Lengyel wrote: > See BALAZS4 below > > -----Original Message----- > From: Juergen Schoenwaelder > Sent: 2020. március 9., hétfő 10:44 > To: Balázs Lengyel > Subject: Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: > draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-06 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Schönwälder, Jürgen > > > Sent: 2020. február 12., szerda 10:07 > > > Subject: [Not Scanned] - Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: > > > draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-06 > > > > > > > - Is it necessary to describe P2 in terms of (presumably) NETCONF > > > > operations? I would prefer to have the document written in a > > > > protocol agnostic style. Perhaps simply drop "similar to the > > > > response of a operation/request". > > > > BALAZS: This is a reference both to NETCONF and RESTCONF. It was > > > > explicitly asked for by other reviewers. > > > > > > Well, then the correct wording would be "similar to the response of > > > a NETCONF operation or the RESTCONF response to a GET method > > > invocation on the (unified) datastore resource". Sounds complex and > > > I still prefer the text to be agnostic to specific operations - in > > > particular since and the unified datastore have their > > > limitations. The format is simply reusing the already defined data > > > model encoding formats, i.e., the format has nothing to do with the > > operations used to retrieve the data. So I suggest: > > > > > > P2 Instance data shall reuse existing encoding rules for > > > YANG defined data. > > > > > > There is no need to refer to specific protocol operations. > > > BALAZS: I will use both of your texts. That is the most common > > > question I > > > get: Will this use the same format as a get-reply? People like to > > > think in terms of a specific easy-to-grasp function instead of a > > > non-descript set of "existing" rules. Existing means you need to > > > understand X number of RFCs, while just looking up a get-reply is > > > easy. It is not precise, but IMHO that's how people think. > > > > If you write "reuse existing encoding rules", then actually fewer > > documents need to be understood. And operations have additional issues > > in how they interact with 'datastores', so they may even be misleading > > and I rather have the standards precise (and minimal normative > dependencies). > > BALAZS3: Sorry, I don't fully understand your point. What would you > > like in P2? > > The text now is: > > P2 Instance data shall reuse existing encoding rules for YANG > > defined data. Its format will be similar to the response of a > > NETCONF operation or the RESTCONF response to a GET method > > invocation on the (unified) datastore resource. > > It refers to existing rules as you asked for and also says" similar" > > to a get response, using phrasing from your email on 2020-02-12. > > Are you OK with this? Or how would you like to change it? > > What I proposed above: > > P2 Instance data shall reuse existing encoding rules for > YANG defined data. > > Your additional sentence is simply wrong. Instance data from lets say > with _not_ be 'similar' to the response of a NETCONF > operation or the RESTCONF response to a GET method invocation on the > (unified) datastore resource. The same holds true for instance data from > . > BALAZS4: I would like to keep the second part of the sentence. > 4+ people asked me explicitly to state this similarity during the > development of the draft. While your methodical and somewhat abstract way of > thinking has greatly helped me/us in many cases, IMHO other people often > think in the terms of examples and in recognizing known similar > methodology. As the we use the same encoding rules for get replies and for > instance data, IMHO they are similar even if instance data allows some > additions/omissions. (People liked/requested this statement, even though > "similar" is a rather subjective term.) > Anyway it is only included in the introduction part, so while it helps some > people, it should not cause problems with the precise definition of the > format. On your request I already removed a similar statement from the > normative parts. What the sentence says is unclear or plain wrong in a number of valid use cases (depends on how one understands the word "similar") and thus this sentence is misleading and asking for trouble down the road. I fully understand the value of examples but here we define what is called a 'basic principle' - and a basic principle that is not quite correct for all use cases sounds like a bad idea to me. If you want to write an example after the principles that is identifiable as an example, I am fine with that. As the sentence is worded right now as part of a 'basic principle', I am having an issue with the it. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Mon Mar 9 10:14:14 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C352F3A0CE9; Mon, 9 Mar 2020 10:14:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netmod@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.120.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netmod@ietf.org Message-ID: <158377404874.5537.10653673597047369269@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2020 10:14:08 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-08.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2020 17:14:09 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Instance Data File Format Authors : Balazs Lengyel Benoit Claise Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-08.txt Pages : 27 Date : 2020-03-09 Abstract: There is a need to document data defined in YANG models when a live server is not available. Data is often needed already at design or implementation time or needed by groups that do not have a live running server available. This document specifies a standard file format for YANG instance data, which follows the syntax and semantics of existing YANG models, and annotates it with metadata. 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Thanks for the comments, especially for = Juergen's contribution. Main changes: - Moved compatibility into appendix - Made support of ietf-yang-library mandatory if inline-content- schema = is supported - Renamed yid-version to format-version as "yid" can be regarded as a = racial slur. Changed format to date of the YANG module - Removed section about XML attributes - Other WGLC related changes Regards Balazs -----Original Message----- From: internet-drafts@ietf.org =20 Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 9., h=C3=A9tf=C5=91 18:14 To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel ; Benoit Claise = Subject: New Version Notification for = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-08.txt A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-08.txt has been successfully submitted by Balazs Lengyel and posted to the IETF = repository. Name: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format Revision: 08 Title: YANG Instance Data File Format Document date: 2020-03-09 Group: netmod Pages: 27 URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file= -format-08.txt Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-for= mat/ Htmlized: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-0= 8 Htmlized: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-fil= e-format Diff: = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-= format-08 Abstract: There is a need to document data defined in YANG models when a live server is not available. Data is often needed already at design or implementation time or needed by groups that do not have a live running server available. 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To: "'Lou Berger'" , "'NETMOD Group'" Cc: References: <0bea8c03-9e1c-f032-7dac-115f4813eba1@labn.net> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2020 14:55:37 -0400 Message-ID: <00ec01d5f644$530d0970$f9271c50$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00ED_01D5F622.CBFB6970" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQGS1Z8kktj4fnDV2SiOa4whQ8pHBQKg0HumqLHSmHA= Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 200309-0, 03/09/2020), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption of versioning design team docs X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2020 18:56:19 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00ED_01D5F622.CBFB6970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lou and Netmod:=20 =20 As a monitoring DT-member and contributor to the requirements I support = the adoption of this set of documents below. =20 =20 I have reviewed the final version of each of these modules.=20 =20 These document are a necessary base work to be able to handle = versioning for configuration. =20 It is especially helpful when the protocol (like BGP) have different = features that may be revised.=20 =20 As the WG continues to refine this work, I hope you will consider the = needs of the BGP configuration.=20 =20 Cheers, Sue=20 =20 =20 Hi, We'd like to start a two week adoption call for the set of documents = described below by Rob. To be specific, this includes 1) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03 2) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01 3) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01 4) draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03 5) draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 6) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00 =20 The adoption call ends in two weeks, on March 16. =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00ED_01D5F622.CBFB6970 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Lou and Netmod:

 

As = a monitoring = DT-member and contributor to the requirements I support the adoption of this set of = documents below.=C2=A0 =

 

I have = reviewed the final version of each of these modules. =

 

These = document are a necessary base work to =C2=A0be able to handle versioning = for configuration. =C2=A0

It is = especially helpful when the protocol (like BGP) have different features = that may be revised.

 

As the WG = continues to refine this work, I hope you will consider the needs of the = BGP configuration.

 

Cheers, Sue =

 

 

Hi,
We'd =
like to start a two week adoption call for the set of documents =
described below by Rob.  To be specific, this =
includes
1) =
draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03
2) =
draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01
=
3) =
draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01
4) =
draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03
5) =
draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02
6) =
draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00
=
 
The adoption call ends in two weeks, on March 16.  =

 
------=_NextPart_000_00ED_01D5F622.CBFB6970-- From nobody Mon Mar 9 12:15:06 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A763A15DC; Mon, 9 Mar 2020 12:14:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Stephen Kent via Datatracker To: Cc: netmod@ietf.org, draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default.all@ietf.org, last-call@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.120.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <158378129274.5575.11079304412600243334@ietfa.amsl.com> Reply-To: Stephen Kent Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2020 12:14:52 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-14 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2020 19:15:00 -0000 Reviewer: Stephen Kent Review result: Has Issues SECDIR review of draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-14 I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written with the intent of improving security requirements and considerations in IETF drafts. Comments not addressed in last call may be included in AD reviews during the IESG review. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other last call comments. This is a very brief document- only 9 pages (ignoring notes that are to be removed before publication)! It is a proposal for a YANG data model that will allow clients to reset a server to its factory default settings. It also defines a “factory-default” datastore that enables a client to determine the values for the default settings for a server. The datamodel is said to conform to the architecture defined in RFC 8342. RFC 8342, and RFC 7950, define the terms used in this document, and the terminology Section (1.1) cites these RFCs when enumerating these terms. This reader would prefer to have the definitions replicated here for the nine terms in question. Only one additional term is defined in this document, the factory-default datastore. The acronym “RPC” (remote procedure call) is not expanded upon first use. The description of how to effect a factor-reset RPC, in Sections 2 & 3 seems pretty thorough, and includes appropriate comments about security-relevant data, e.g., private keys and certificates. I an not familiar enough with YANG to evaluate the module definition in Section 4. Section 6, Security Considerations, calls for use of SSH (RFC 6242) with NETCONF and HTTPS (RFC 8446) with RESTCONF. The TLS reference is current, citing TLS v1.3. However, RFC 6242 is a document that describes how to use SSH with NETCONF. That document, in turn, cites RFC 4254, and that RFC cites RFC 4253 for a description of SSH. 4253 is a very much out of date document; the integrity and key management algorithms in the original RFC have been updated 3 times (6668, 8268, and 8332). The encryption algorithms cited in 4253 are all outdated. This discussion of SSH security for use with NETCONF, based on the one citation, seems to be inconsistent with current IETF crypto guidelines. This is a problem that the net management area should address before this document is approved. The discussion of how a factory-reset RPC may isolate a device, is good, as is the warning about not relying on this RPC to prevent recovery of security-sensitive data from NV storage. 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Thank you, NETMOD Chairs From nobody Mon Mar 9 17:10:04 2020 Return-Path: <01000170c1c6ba92-8fc59686-79e2-48a0-9025-8f775fd7c041-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23E7B3A0A37 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2020 17:09:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.36 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.36 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.463, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8uJG6Ao8PctX for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2020 17:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a48-90.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a48-90.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.48.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D53483A0A4D for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2020 17:09:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=6gbrjpgwjskckoa6a5zn6fwqkn67xbtw; d=amazonses.com; t=1583798991; h=From:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Cc:To:Feedback-ID; bh=w8o+Kjsqemd4A90tr/ShbCL/IjhKwmVzzXjCHO37Ikc=; b=b9knGsG16kbkQuCWTqXWiPbKQX0Cz1qWqJLsVusnmcWzaDpbI3mhyWNNQmNc0vQc B49/AJWaUrMEtvtz6Nbb3fXesNiUntOM4rCpBxeRTA5bOJBeECVRtZns1aLwJ0M4NOS mniCx4QaRenCh31ooCREm4b/GICYD6bU7kObLjgE= From: Kent Watsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Message-ID: <01000170c1c6ba92-8fc59686-79e2-48a0-9025-8f775fd7c041-000000@email.amazonses.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 00:09:51 +0000 Cc: "netmod@ietf.org" To: Christian Hopps X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.03.10-54.240.48.90 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-04 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 00:10:01 -0000 Authors, Contributors, WG, As part of the WGLC, are you aware of any IPR that applies to = draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location? =20 Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If "yes", has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules = (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? 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([2601:647:5600:5020:c66:ef44:8f0b:9230]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 129sm21214188pfw.84.2020.03.09.20.51.03 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 09 Mar 2020 20:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Mahesh Jethanandani In-Reply-To: <0515e5bd-21fb-f26a-e403-3f8f18b99bf1@labn.net> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2020 20:51:02 -0700 Cc: Robert Wilton , netmod@ietf.org, netmod-ver-dt@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <61FD71E4-01AD-415F-8367-935690458D2E@gmail.com> References: <0515e5bd-21fb-f26a-e403-3f8f18b99bf1@labn.net> To: Lou Berger X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] [Netmod-ver-dt] Regarding IPR on draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 03:51:35 -0000 Thanks to Benoit for pointing out =E2=80=A6 No, I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Cheers. > On Mar 2, 2020, at 2:13 PM, Lou Berger wrote: >=20 >=20 > Authors, Contributors, WG, >=20 > As part of preparation for WG Adoption: >=20 > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? >=20 > Please state either: >=20 > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" >=20 > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? >=20 > If yes to the above, please state either: >=20 > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" >=20 > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. >=20 > We note that all DT members are listed as contributors. If you = contributed to the document please respond. 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([2601:647:5600:5020:c66:ef44:8f0b:9230]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 129sm21214188pfw.84.2020.03.09.20.51.47 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 09 Mar 2020 20:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Mahesh Jethanandani In-Reply-To: <415f837c-66e0-10b1-65a5-dc948ff23cbc@labn.net> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2020 20:51:47 -0700 Cc: Robert Wilton , netmod@ietf.org, netmod-ver-dt@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <280AE336-F186-4DA5-AB52-5B93ECA0940D@gmail.com> References: <415f837c-66e0-10b1-65a5-dc948ff23cbc@labn.net> To: Lou Berger X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Regarding IPR on draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 03:52:07 -0000 No, I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. > On Mar 2, 2020, at 2:13 PM, Lou Berger wrote: >=20 >=20 > Authors, Contributors, WG, >=20 > As part of preparation for WG Adoption: >=20 > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? >=20 > Please state either: >=20 > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" >=20 > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? >=20 > If yes to the above, please state either: >=20 > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" >=20 > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. >=20 > We note that all DT members are listed as contributors. If you = contributed to the document please respond. Alternatively, please feel = free to state that you didn't materially contribute to the draft and = would like your name removed from the contribution section (and moved to = acknowledgments after WG adoption). >=20 > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer = the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next > stage until a response has been received from each author. >=20 > NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. >=20 > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not = listed > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from > participating in any contribution or discussion related to your > undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed = above > and > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. >=20 > Thank you, > NetMod WG Chairs >=20 > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > response. >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod From nobody Tue Mar 10 02:11:52 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0DDF3A0E97; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 02:11:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Balazs -----Original Message----- From: netmod On Behalf Of Mahesh Jethanandani Sent: 2020. m=E1rcius 10., kedd 4:52 To: Lou Berger Cc: netmod-ver-dt@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] Regarding IPR on = draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03 No, I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. > On Mar 2, 2020, at 2:13 PM, Lou Berger wrote: >=20 >=20 > Authors, Contributors, WG, >=20 > As part of preparation for WG Adoption: >=20 > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? >=20 > Please state either: >=20 > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" >=20 > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules=20 > (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? >=20 > If yes to the above, please state either: >=20 > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" >=20 > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think=20 > appropriate. >=20 > We note that all DT members are listed as contributors. 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en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 200309-0, 03/09/2020), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption of versioning design team docs X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 09:15:20 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01D5F69A.E1D66BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lou and WG =E2=80=93 =20 I not aware of any IPR relating to these drafts.=20 =20 Susan Hares=20 =20 From: netmod On Behalf Of Lou Berger Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 5:30 PM To: NETMOD Group Cc: netmod-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [netmod] Adoption of versioning design team docs =20 Hi, We'd like to start a two week adoption call for the set of documents = described below by Rob. To be specific, this includes 1) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03 2) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01 3) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01 4) draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03 5) draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 6) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00 =20 The adoption call ends in two weeks, on March 16. =20 =20 Please voice your support or objections on list. While we prefer to = adopt as a set, objections on specific documents are acceptable. =20 Netmod Chairs =20 On 2/29/2020 2:21 AM, Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote: Netmod chairs, =20 The version selection draft draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 is = now posted. With that, the YANG versioning design team would like to = please request you make an WG adoption call for these documents. =20 The updated full list is: =20 1) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03 - Solution overview, updated since 106 to cover updates to version = selection and schema comparison drafts. =20 2) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01 - Base module versioning solution, unchanged from the version = presented at 106. =20 3) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01 - YANG Semantic version numbers, unchanged from the version presented = at 106. =20 4) draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03 - YANG packages draft, updated since 106 =20 5) draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 - Version selection, updated since 106, as per notes below =20 6) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00 - Schema comparison tooling, unchanged from the version presented at = 106. =20 The main changes to the version selection draft are: - We have tried to simplify the model, but at the same time give = servers more flexibility about how they implement version selection and = what it can be used for. E.g. if the server wants to allow a client to = choose between different schema versions, but require that all clients = use the same schema version, that is now possible - The draft explicitly disallows schema-selection happening = mid-session - The solution allows the server to require clients to configure = schema-sets before they are used - The solution provides more information about which schema-sets are = compatible with each other =20 Regards, Rob =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01D5F69A.E1D66BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Lou and WG =E2=80=93

 

I not aware of any IPR relating to these drafts. =

 

Susan Hares

 

From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> On = Behalf Of Lou Berger
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 5:30 = PM
To: NETMOD Group <netmod@ietf.org>
Cc: = netmod-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [netmod] Adoption of = versioning design team docs

 

Hi,
We'd =
like to start a two week adoption call for the set of documents =
described below by Rob.  To be specific, this =
includes
1) =
draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03
2) =
draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01
=
3) =
draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01
4) =
draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03
5) =
draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02
6) =
draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00
=
 
The adoption call ends in two weeks, on March 16.  =

 
Please voice your support or objections on list.  =
While we prefer to adopt as a set, objections on specific documents are =
acceptable.
 
Netmod Chairs
 
On =
2/29/2020 2:21 AM, Rob Wilton (rwilton) =
wrote:
Netmod chairs,
 
The =
version selection draft draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 is now =
posted.  With that, the YANG versioning design team would like to =
please request you make an WG adoption call for these =
documents.
 
The =
updated full list is:
 
1) =
draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03
  - Solution overview, updated since 106 to cover =
updates to version selection and schema comparison =
drafts.
 
2) =
draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01
=
  - Base module versioning solution, unchanged =
from the version presented at 106.
 
3) =
draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01
  - YANG Semantic version numbers, unchanged from the =
version presented at 106.
 
4) =
draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03
  - YANG packages draft, updated since =
106
  =

5) =
draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02
  - Version selection, updated since 106, as per =
notes below
 
6) =
draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00
=
  - Schema comparison tooling, unchanged from =
the version presented at 106.
 
The =
main changes to the version selection draft =
are:
  - We have =
tried to simplify the model, but at the same time give servers more =
flexibility about how they implement version selection and what it can =
be used for.  E.g. if the server wants to allow a client to choose =
between different schema versions, but require that all clients use the =
same schema version, that is now =
possible
  - The =
draft explicitly disallows schema-selection happening =
mid-session
  - The =
solution allows the server to require clients to configure schema-sets =
before they are used
  - The solution provides more information about which =
schema-sets are compatible with each =
other
 
Regards,
Rob
 
 
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Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-04 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 11:56:06 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Kent Watsen writes: > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of the WGLC, are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location? > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" Thanks, Chris. --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEm56yH/NF+m1FHa6lLh2DDte4MCUFAl5ngE8ACgkQLh2DDte4 MCULqA/9Fs2rxJnh0/3Z43fJhcdvHgdDKXsz5kPhl2thZ2TCkRAv7uO9p3ST+OtN yIq24iMXWtTrCzTr9i6MNWys2NJfKsjLiSwyqPSMVQX58WlZqvNBfYwIkF+NGPvY M7vl9+qA2Z9yHHsFuCQVXrK3DtdajGJFds7Ucl6W7y0TV4Hxgb1Y8rmWVRfA2BSw 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X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 10 Mar 2020 11:58:50.7210 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 92e84ceb-fbfd-47ab-be52-080c6b87953f X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: D4aR/BvQ8V4Fa0m8r+DoKwJvg3M+plKVydj3n4InfD91mX9cWDcqoSCIxGTqqElPeKh+Wq68SK/e0IzvlTSmFJ4lzjkqn2MLNbjsdvoyX98= X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DB7PR07MB4954 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] FW: Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-14 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 11:59:04 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_01A4_01D5F6DB.A4639CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As an author of netmod drafts I would like to see some general guidance = on this issue. Can someone help please. Balazs -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Kent via Datatracker =20 Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 9., h=C3=A9tf=C5=91 20:15 To: secdir@ietf.org Cc: netmod@ietf.org; draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default.all@ietf.org; = last-call@ietf.org Subject: Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-14 Reviewer: Stephen Kent Review result: Has Issues SECDIR review of draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-14 Section 6, Security Considerations, calls for use of SSH (RFC 6242) with = NETCONF and HTTPS (RFC 8446) with RESTCONF. The TLS reference is = current, citing TLS v1.3. However, RFC 6242 is a document that describes = how to use SSH with NETCONF. That document, in turn, cites RFC 4254, and = that RFC cites RFC 4253 for a description of SSH. 4253 is a very much out of date document; = the integrity and key management algorithms in the original RFC have = been updated 3 times (6668, 8268, and 8332). The encryption algorithms = cited in 4253 are all outdated. This discussion of SSH security for use = with NETCONF, based on the one citation, seems to be inconsistent with = current IETF crypto guidelines. This is a problem that the net management area should address before = this document is approved. The discussion of how a factory-reset RPC may isolate a device, is good, = as is the warning about not relying on this RPC to prevent recovery of = security-sensitive data from NV storage. ------=_NextPart_000_01A4_01D5F6DB.A4639CC0 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIVbjCCAyAw ggIIoAMCAQICAR0wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwOTELMAkGA1UEBhMCRkkxDzANBgNVBAoTBlNvbmVy YTEZMBcGA1UEAxMQU29uZXJhIENsYXNzMiBDQTAeFw0wMTA0MDYwNzI5NDBaFw0yMTA0MDYwNzI5 NDBaMDkxCzAJBgNVBAYTAkZJMQ8wDQYDVQQKEwZTb25lcmExGTAXBgNVBAMTEFNvbmVyYSBDbGFz czIgQ0EwggEiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQCQF0o1ncrwDZbHRPoWN/xIvb1/ gC01O+FvqGepvwMcTYxvMkfVQWikEwTBNQyahEP8XB3/ibPoFxjNkV/7iePqv05dfBsm03V57eaE 41flrSnE9Doo56V7hDZps/1edr2jLZnTkE4jKH0YY/FUOyaddluXQrL/rvBO7N05lU6DBn/nSUDI xQGyVFpmHT38+ek8Cp6BuHDwAYvkI1R8yK74kB4AlnLUVM9hI7zq+50CldG2uXE6aQg/D7ThQseI 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X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Id: f78e973e-5c0b-4ab8-bbd7-9887c95a8ebd X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-MailboxType: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-UserPrincipalName: oxGuxhoqEmdpDPsCdJhYWZrtEYOJ15X92yL0tD39zuDUXOCjQUKXd/BsnzHRZcyP2zmbs3JPHv1SnNHq48jBODGuWBVFGL58OLwQbUUqcGY= X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM4P190MB0145 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-14 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 12:19:30 -0000 Hi, if secdir people believe RFC 6242 needs to be revised or updated, then this is a separate work item for the NETCONF working group to consider. I do not think that such an update should gate any data models currently in the pipeline. (I am not even sure such an update is strictly needed since if we go there, we constantly need udpates, but that is then a NETCONF discussion.) /js On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 12:13:51PM +0000, Qin Wu wrote: > Thanks Balazs for heads up. I think the security guideline we are currently following is one defined in the following link: > https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ops/wiki/yang-security-guidelines > If it is a issue, I believe it applies to all YANG related documents. > > -Qin > -----邮件原件----- > 发件人: netmod [mailto:netmod-bounces@ietf.org] 代表 Balázs Lengyel > 发送时间: 2020年3月10日 19:59 > 收件人: 'netmod@ietf.org' > 主题: [netmod] FW: Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-14 > > As an author of netmod drafts I would like to see some general guidance on this issue. Can someone help please. > Balazs > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Kent via Datatracker > Sent: 2020. március 9., hétfő 20:15 > To: secdir@ietf.org > Cc: netmod@ietf.org; draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default.all@ietf.org; last-call@ietf.org > Subject: Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-14 > > Reviewer: Stephen Kent > Review result: Has Issues > > SECDIR review of draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-14 > > Section 6, Security Considerations, calls for use of SSH (RFC 6242) with NETCONF and HTTPS (RFC 8446) with RESTCONF. The TLS reference is current, citing TLS v1.3. However, RFC 6242 is a document that describes how to use SSH with NETCONF. That document, in turn, cites RFC 4254, and that RFC cites RFC > 4253 for a description of SSH. 4253 is a very much out of date document; the integrity and key management algorithms in the original RFC have been updated 3 times (6668, 8268, and 8332). The encryption algorithms cited in 4253 are all outdated. This discussion of SSH security for use with NETCONF, based on the one citation, seems to be inconsistent with current IETF crypto guidelines. > This is a problem that the net management area should address before this document is approved. > > The discussion of how a factory-reset RPC may isolate a device, is good, as is the warning about not relying on this RPC to prevent recovery of security-sensitive data from NV storage. > > > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Tue Mar 10 06:38:56 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FFEE3A12DA for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 06:38:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: 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<0bea8c03-9e1c-f032-7dac-115f4813eba1@labn.net> References: <0bea8c03-9e1c-f032-7dac-115f4813eba1@labn.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.8 on Emacs 25.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption of versioning design team docs X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 19:28:43 -0000 [second attempt, sorry for duplicates] Hi, By document: draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01 This is a great contribution to the YANG ecosystem. It is very well written, and I would like to see this document proceed quickly. The solutions it proposed are really needed. I have one objection though; in 7.1 the text says: All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-label statements for all newly published YANG modules, and all newly published revisions of existing YANG modules. The revision-label MUST take the form of a YANG semantic version number [I-D.verdt-netmod-yang-semver]. I strongly disagree with this new rule. IETF modules use a linear history, so there are no reasons to use "modified semver". I support the adoption of this document. (I will send a review of this document in a separate mail) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01 This draft proposes a way to express how a given revision is backwards compatible in a very short format. With the new extension statements in draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning, this information is already present in the revision history of a module. (One possible exception is editorial changes, but that can easily be fixed by adding an "editorial" extension to "ietf-yang-revisions"). I don't think this document should be adopted. draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03 I support the adoption of this document. draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 I think the solutions proposed in this draft are overly complex and some of them are probably impossible to implement correctly in real world use cases. I don't think this document should be adopted. draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00 I support the adoption of this document. /martin Lou Berger wrote: > Hi, > We'd like to start a two week adoption call for the set of documents > described below by Rob. To be specific, this includes > 1) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03 > 2) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01 > 3) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01 > 4) draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03 > 5) draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 > 6) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00 > > The adoption call ends in two weeks, on March 16. > > Please voice your support or objections on list. While we prefer to > adopt as a set, objections on specific documents are acceptable. > > Netmod Chairs > > On 2/29/2020 2:21 AM, Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote: > > > Netmod chairs, > > > > The version selection draft draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 > > is now posted. With that, the YANG versioning design team would like > > to please request you make an WG adoption call for these documents. > > > > The updated full list is: > > > > 1) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03 > > - Solution overview, updated since 106 to cover updates to version > > - selection and schema comparison drafts. > > > > 2) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01 > > - Base module versioning solution, unchanged from the version presented > > - at 106. > > > > 3) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01 > > - YANG Semantic version numbers, unchanged from the version presented at > > - 106. > > > > 4) draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03 > > - YANG packages draft, updated since 106 > > 5) draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 > > - Version selection, updated since 106, as per notes below > > > > 6) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00 > > - Schema comparison tooling, unchanged from the version presented at > > - 106. > > > > The main changes to the version selection draft are: > > - We have tried to simplify the model, but at the same time give servers > > - more flexibility about how they implement version selection and what > > - it can be used for. E.g. if the server wants to allow a client to > > - choose between different schema versions, but require that all clients > > - use the same schema version, that is now possible > > - The draft explicitly disallows schema-selection happening mid-session > > - The solution allows the server to require clients to configure > > - schema-sets before they are used > > - The solution provides more information about which schema-sets are > > - compatible with each other > > > > Regards, > > Rob > > > > From nobody Tue Mar 10 12:30:40 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E51563A09A6 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 12:30:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, PDS_NAKED_TO_NUMERO=1.999, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=4668.se header.b=GS46Gg2o; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=T+v19PLc Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5cfawKNBsq9C for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 12:30:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from new1-smtp.messagingengine.com (new1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.221]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2765E3A0948 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 12:30:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailnew.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4104D2291 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 15:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 10 Mar 2020 15:30:30 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=4668.se; h=date :message-id:to:subject:from:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=fm1; bh=r1Soq84s1QFkyvD/sQo+NJ0X97 nCeEE9Xrx9WjV05vc=; b=GS46Gg2oE+IEV6P8+35u97vXcS6otK9HXcUbVgtSm9 Kp+dSHWfolt1WIFXUbgbMU+1pHONJmjOW9hJDTxg66r/PSvUSB/Dj8HrliYz30zE TeGO1Z9jHvOPo3Jpx/8vkJ7DGNjRDT65ZgcPv8xE1Gt4ST/Wf4oI4wXGtDdGprfu pHJ09FducKMw6l0IFlIn5S+vvnUZ+Z7IQsLBkm4eZpKamy47G6fdCgtZPF8xP36G 8ojv+Mxtto/0IABaokU15MIAdvDGVq64N30kK9PwPJipj/yMomSOPzNqyUaYp7f6 gwPwj08GjJQTC/bYv8gfbGDXRRqS6+8vxNIawilGOHKw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=r1Soq8 4s1QFkyvD/sQo+NJ0X97nCeEE9Xrx9WjV05vc=; b=T+v19PLcodIbq5OmLSfIfb moOtZ5GieCVnkqsr/RG/1xGJhDYuIEwJHABymmAi/sN1eR41lRRG6yUUN3hzbRMb nVW7s5OBOLV+f+P+fA+Vxd4+bSOUUefVBBhcxywujjZEgmPsvVh1ict5gmmc7Hg3 A42zaBZXpIRC8cBqsBT5pzfbEsMQEQXLLlB0SKjrkRCp0fYSTBhvKJ5Q4lc4ZLS1 d7jwXKOjujtF+G3HWMGHhZ74VyIzSBPxzN9Gv46snbOZzOdmrclClSw7DT1/23V+ N9gsPfbH/KPAnCWceW0BHu+8wkVDWvasEZrEuVVZYl83UTqDj3r1WusXk/fJPjLw == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedugedruddvtddguddukecutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfgh necuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhepfffkvffuhffogggtgfesthejre dtredtvdenucfhrhhomhepofgrrhhtihhnuceujhpnrhhklhhunhguuceomhgsjhdoihgv thhfseegieeikedrshgvqeenucfkphepudehkedrudejgedrgedrgeegnecuvehluhhsth gvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepmhgsjhdoihgvthhfseeg ieeikedrshgv X-ME-Proxy: Received: from localhost (unknown [158.174.4.44]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 7303C30611FB for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 15:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 20:30:27 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <20200310.203027.522986329204385274.id@4668.se> To: netmod@ietf.org From: Martin =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rklund?= X-Mailer: Mew version 6.8 on Emacs 25.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] mbj review of draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 19:30:40 -0000 Hi, Here are my review comments of draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01. o 3.1.1 o In statements that have any data definition statements as substatements, those data definition substatements MAY be reordered, as long as they do not change the ordering or any "rpc" "input" substatements. I think this needs to capture that no descendant statements to "input" can be reordered. Same for "output" (note, "input" and "output" in both "rpc" and "action"). o 3.3 All revision labels that match the pattern for the "version" typedef in the ietf-yang-semver YANG module MUST be interpreted as YANG semantic version numbers. I don't think this is a good idea. Seems like a layer violation. What if my project use another dialect of semver, that wouldn't be possible with this rule. I think this needs to be removed. o 3.3 Submodules MUST NOT use revision label schemes that could be confused with the including module's revision label scheme. Hmm, how do I ensure that this MUST NOT is handled correctly? What exactly does "could be confused with" mean? o 3.3 In the filename of a YANG module, where it takes the form: module- or-submodule-name ['@' revision-label] ( '.yang' / '.yin' ) Should this section update 5.2 of RFC 7950? I know that 5.2 just says "SHOULD". But existing tools implement this SHOULD, and they need to be updated to handle this new convention. But I wonder if this a good idea. It means that a tool that looks for a module with a certain revision date cannot simply check the filenames, but need to parse all available modules (wijust to find the o 3.4 leaf imperial-temperature { type int64; units "degrees Fahrenheit"; status deprecated { rev:status-description "Imperial measurements are being phased out in favor of their metric equivalents. Use metric-temperature instead."; } description "Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit."; } I don't think rev:status-description is necessary / worth it. This can easily be written with the normal description statement instead: leaf imperial-temperature { type int64; units "degrees Fahrenheit"; status deprecated; description "Imperial measurements are being phased out in favor of their metric equivalents. Use metric-temperature instead. Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit."; } o 3.5 The example modules should be legal YANG modules. Use e.g. "urn:example:module" as namespace. Also, the modules are missing the last "}", which confuses the "rfcstrip" tool. o 4.1.1 Alternatively, the first example could have used the revision label "1.0.0" instead, which selects the same set of revisions/versions. import example-module { rev:revision-or-derived 1.0.0; } Shouldn't this be s/1.0.0/2.0.0/g ? o 5 I think the module name "ietf-yl-revisions" should be changed to "ietf-yang-library-revisions". "yl" is not a well-known acronym. o 5.2.2 Wouldn't it be better if the leaf "deprecated-nodes-implemented" and "obsolete-nodes-absent" were of type "boolean" rather than type "empty"? o 7.1 The text says: All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-label statements for all newly published YANG modules, and all newly published revisions of existing YANG modules. The revision-label MUST take the form of a YANG semantic version number [I-D.verdt-netmod-yang-semver]. I strongly disagree with this new rule. IETF modules use a linear history, so there are no reasons to use "modified semver". It is ok to use rev:nbc-changes if needed, though. o 7.1.1 There is a missing " in: 4. For status "obsolete", it is RECOMMENDED to keep the "status- description" information, from when the node had status "deprecated, which is still relevant. HERE -----------^ o 8 s/CODE ENDS>// o Both YANG modules All extensions should specify the grammar; i.e., in which statements they can be present and which substatements they can have. /martin From nobody Tue Mar 10 15:09:22 2020 Return-Path: <01000170c67eb3eb-b3bffc95-9c46-4496-b0a2-8f3350dadd31-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B733A0EDC for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 15:09:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qW8HxWs4ZzU9 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 15:09:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a8-96.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-96.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.96]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2CD53A0ECF for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2020 15:09:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=6gbrjpgwjskckoa6a5zn6fwqkn67xbtw; d=amazonses.com; t=1583878157; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:Feedback-ID; bh=+Heg+BRQhsBhBHDfBcGIeKtUvPbDc81ZBt8OQm3GEi8=; b=cU5TDDqQ5sfHZXKGzzZ1p6/reU9fmS1rojqP6I8FdpY1mDtOeMJuCeEZjlVrPJSs xrAvUiSVYecZIlxIvMPszn8avMWuKU88oGUzp8Yyt7LqETxzFP4aEcLYc4Gf8i7EmOx pjPj2v/ZQcb/KbPQ+qRt2fNKdUQ2mabony8bhYQA= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Kent Watsen In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 22:09:17 +0000 Cc: Juergen Schoenwaelder , Qin Wu , Warren Kumari , =?utf-8?Q?Bal=C3=A1zs_Lengyel?= , "netmod@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <01000170c67eb3eb-b3bffc95-9c46-4496-b0a2-8f3350dadd31-000000@email.amazonses.com> References: <20200310121923.hgbo3azelxud4xgt@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> To: "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.03.10-54.240.8.96 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-14 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 22:09:20 -0000 Thanks Rob and Juergen.=20 I agree as well, as it doesn=E2=80=99t make sense to force higher-level = protocol layers to publish updates whenever a lower-level layer = publishes an update and thereby =E2=80=9Cobsoletes=E2=80=9D the previous = protocol layer version. I put =E2=80=9Cobsolete=E2=80=9D in quotes = because I think its generally understood that the previous protocol = version is not obsolete in a real-world sense for many years to come. FWIW, RFC 8040 says: RESTCONF does not require a specific version of HTTP. However, it is RECOMMENDED that at least HTTP/1.1 [RFC7230] be supported by all implementations. =20 And: A RESTCONF server MUST support the Transport Layer Security (TLS)=20 protocol [RFC5246] =20 Kent > On Mar 10, 2020, at 9:38 AM, Rob Wilton (rwilton) = wrote: >=20 > I basically agree with Juergen. >=20 > I have also raised this with the security ADs to try and find a path = to resolve this. >=20 > Thanks, > Rob >=20 >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: netmod On Behalf Of Juergen = Schoenwaelder >> Sent: 10 March 2020 12:19 >> To: Qin Wu >> Cc: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = ; >> 'netmod@ietf.org' >> Subject: Re: [netmod] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-netmod- >> factory-default-14 >>=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >> if secdir people believe RFC 6242 needs to be revised or updated, = then >> this is a separate work item for the NETCONF working group to = consider. I >> do not think that such an update should gate any data models = currently in >> the pipeline. (I am not even sure such an update is strictly needed = since >> if we go there, we constantly need udpates, but that is then a = NETCONF >> discussion.) >>=20 >> /js >>=20 >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 12:13:51PM +0000, Qin Wu wrote: >>> Thanks Balazs for heads up. I think the security guideline we are >> currently following is one defined in the following link: >>> https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ops/wiki/yang-security-guidelines >>> If it is a issue, I believe it applies to all YANG related = documents. >>>=20 >>> -Qin >>> -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- >>> =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: netmod [mailto:netmod-bounces@ietf.org] = =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel >>> =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B43=E6=9C=8810=E6=97=A5= 19:59 >>> =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: 'netmod@ietf.org' >>> =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [netmod] FW: Secdir last call review of >>> draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-14 >>>=20 >>> As an author of netmod drafts I would like to see some general = guidance >> on this issue. Can someone help please. >>> Balazs >>>=20 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Stephen Kent via Datatracker >>> Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 9., h=C3=A9tf=C5=91 20:15 >>> To: secdir@ietf.org >>> Cc: netmod@ietf.org; draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default.all@ietf.org; >>> last-call@ietf.org >>> Subject: Secdir last call review of >>> draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-14 >>>=20 >>> Reviewer: Stephen Kent >>> Review result: Has Issues >>>=20 >>> SECDIR review of draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-14 >>>=20 >>> Section 6, Security Considerations, calls for use of SSH (RFC 6242) >>> with NETCONF and HTTPS (RFC 8446) with RESTCONF. The TLS reference = is >>> current, citing TLS v1.3. However, RFC 6242 is a document that >>> describes how to use SSH with NETCONF. That document, in turn, cites >>> RFC 4254, and that RFC cites RFC >>> 4253 for a description of SSH. 4253 is a very much out of date = document; >> the integrity and key management algorithms in the original RFC have = been >> updated 3 times (6668, 8268, and 8332). The encryption algorithms = cited in >> 4253 are all outdated. This discussion of SSH security for use with >> NETCONF, based on the one citation, seems to be inconsistent with = current >> IETF crypto guidelines. >>> This is a problem that the net management area should address before >> this document is approved. >>>=20 >>> The discussion of how a factory-reset RPC may isolate a device, is = good, >> as is the warning about not relying on this RPC to prevent recovery = of >> security-sensitive data from NV storage. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> netmod mailing list >>> netmod@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >>=20 >> -- >> Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH >> Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | = Germany >> Fax: +49 421 200 3103 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> netmod mailing list >> netmod@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod From nobody Wed Mar 11 10:59:05 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3F253A0FDB for ; 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11 Mar 2020 17:58:58 +0000 Received: from [10.55.221.38] (ams-bclaise-nitro5.cisco.com [10.55.221.38]) (authenticated bits=0) by aer-core-2.cisco.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 02BHwvn8012102 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 11 Mar 2020 17:58:58 GMT To: =?UTF-8?Q?Bal=c3=a1zs_Lengyel?= , Kent Watsen , NETMOD Working Group References: <0100016f8006222d-b861a109-93ee-4a77-8b65-54c22d591e25-000000@email.amazonses.com> <20200120144528.wt2z4y66xcnp7fxj@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> <20200212090703.eikj365ctbsighey@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> <20200219101653.7e46vtzxuyaixr73@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> <20200309094352.c7w2cbpztf54ncy2@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> <20200309163548.zq4nq6xe44zkest6@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> From: Benoit Claise Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 18:58:53 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200309163548.zq4nq6xe44zkest6@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------4112D42C4A7E186BD605BE19" Content-Language: en-US X-Authenticated-User: bclaise X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 10.55.221.38, ams-bclaise-nitro5.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: aer-core-2.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-06 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 17:59:03 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4112D42C4A7E186BD605BE19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Juergen, On on side, Balazs mentions: 4+ people asked me explicitly to state this similarity during the development of the draft. The current text is: P2 Instance data shall reuse existing encoding rules for YANG defined data. Its format will be similar to the response of a NETCONF operation or the RESTCONF response to a GET method invocation on the (unified) datastore resource. This modification is based on your feedback: Well, then the correct wording would be "similar to the response of a NETCONF operation or the RESTCONF response to a GET method invocation on the (unified) datastore resource". Sounds complex and I still prefer the text to be agnostic to specific operations On the other side, you insist now on removing the latter sentence. Could you propose a similar sentence that would satisfy your concern? Regards, Benoit > On Mon, Mar 09, 2020 at 04:17:40PM +0000, Balázs Lengyel wrote: >> See BALAZS4 below >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Juergen Schoenwaelder >> Sent: 2020. március 9., hétfő 10:44 >> To: Balázs Lengyel >> Subject: Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: >> draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-06 >> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Schönwälder, Jürgen >>>> Sent: 2020. február 12., szerda 10:07 >>>> Subject: [Not Scanned] - Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: >>>> draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-06 >>>> >>>>> - Is it necessary to describe P2 in terms of (presumably) NETCONF >>>>> operations? I would prefer to have the document written in a >>>>> protocol agnostic style. Perhaps simply drop "similar to the >>>>> response of a operation/request". >>>>> BALAZS: This is a reference both to NETCONF and RESTCONF. It was >>>>> explicitly asked for by other reviewers. >>>> Well, then the correct wording would be "similar to the response of >>>> a NETCONF operation or the RESTCONF response to a GET method >>>> invocation on the (unified) datastore resource". Sounds complex and >>>> I still prefer the text to be agnostic to specific operations - in >>>> particular since and the unified datastore have their >>>> limitations. The format is simply reusing the already defined data >>>> model encoding formats, i.e., the format has nothing to do with the >>> operations used to retrieve the data. So I suggest: >>>> P2 Instance data shall reuse existing encoding rules for >>>> YANG defined data. >>>> >>>> There is no need to refer to specific protocol operations. >>>> BALAZS: I will use both of your texts. That is the most common >>>> question I >>>> get: Will this use the same format as a get-reply? People like to >>>> think in terms of a specific easy-to-grasp function instead of a >>>> non-descript set of "existing" rules. Existing means you need to >>>> understand X number of RFCs, while just looking up a get-reply is >>>> easy. It is not precise, but IMHO that's how people think. >>> If you write "reuse existing encoding rules", then actually fewer >>> documents need to be understood. And operations have additional issues >>> in how they interact with 'datastores', so they may even be misleading >>> and I rather have the standards precise (and minimal normative >> dependencies). >>> BALAZS3: Sorry, I don't fully understand your point. What would you >>> like in P2? >>> The text now is: >>> P2 Instance data shall reuse existing encoding rules for YANG >>> defined data. Its format will be similar to the response of a >>> NETCONF operation or the RESTCONF response to a GET method >>> invocation on the (unified) datastore resource. >>> It refers to existing rules as you asked for and also says" similar" >>> to a get response, using phrasing from your email on 2020-02-12. >>> Are you OK with this? Or how would you like to change it? >> What I proposed above: >> >> P2 Instance data shall reuse existing encoding rules for >> YANG defined data. >> >> Your additional sentence is simply wrong. Instance data from lets say >> with _not_ be 'similar' to the response of a NETCONF >> operation or the RESTCONF response to a GET method invocation on the >> (unified) datastore resource. The same holds true for instance data from >> . >> BALAZS4: I would like to keep the second part of the sentence. >> 4+ people asked me explicitly to state this similarity during the >> development of the draft. While your methodical and somewhat abstract way of >> thinking has greatly helped me/us in many cases, IMHO other people often >> think in the terms of examples and in recognizing known similar >> methodology. As the we use the same encoding rules for get replies and for >> instance data, IMHO they are similar even if instance data allows some >> additions/omissions. (People liked/requested this statement, even though >> "similar" is a rather subjective term.) >> Anyway it is only included in the introduction part, so while it helps some >> people, it should not cause problems with the precise definition of the >> format. On your request I already removed a similar statement from the >> normative parts. > What the sentence says is unclear or plain wrong in a number of valid > use cases (depends on how one understands the word "similar") and thus > this sentence is misleading and asking for trouble down the road. I > fully understand the value of examples but here we define what is > called a 'basic principle' - and a basic principle that is not quite > correct for all use cases sounds like a bad idea to me. > > If you want to write an example after the principles that is > identifiable as an example, I am fine with that. As the sentence is > worded right now as part of a 'basic principle', I am having an issue > with the it. > > /js > --------------4112D42C4A7E186BD605BE19 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Juergen,

On on side, Balazs mentions:
4+ people asked me explicitly to state this similarity during the
development of the draft.
The current text is:
   P2  Instance data shall reuse existing encoding rules for YANG
       defined data.  Its format will be similar to the response of a
       NETCONF <get> operation or the RESTCONF response to a GET method
       invocation on the (unified) datastore resource.
This modification is based on your feedback:

Well, then the correct wording would be "similar to the response of a
NETCONF <get> operation or the RESTCONF response to a GET method
invocation on the (unified) datastore resource". Sounds complex and I
still prefer the text to be agnostic to specific operations
On the other side, you insist now on removing the latter sentence.
Could you propose a similar sentence that would satisfy your concern?

Regards, Benoit
On Mon, Mar 09, 2020 at 04:17:40PM +0000, Balázs Lengyel wrote:

See BALAZS4 below

-----Original Message-----
From: Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> 
Sent: 2020. március 9., hétfő 10:44
To: Balázs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>
Subject: Re: [netmod] WG Last Call:
draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-06


-----Original Message-----
From: Schönwälder, Jürgen <J.Schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>
Sent: 2020. február 12., szerda 10:07
Subject: [Not Scanned] - Re: [netmod] WG Last Call:
draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-06


  - Is it necessary to describe P2 in terms of (presumably) NETCONF
    operations? I would prefer to have the document written in a
    protocol agnostic style. Perhaps simply drop "similar to the
    response of a <get> operation/request".
BALAZS: This is a reference both to NETCONF and RESTCONF. It was 
explicitly asked for by other reviewers.

Well, then the correct wording would be "similar to the response of 
a NETCONF <get> operation or the RESTCONF response to a GET method 
invocation on the (unified) datastore resource". Sounds complex and 
I still prefer the text to be agnostic to specific operations - in 
particular since <get> and the unified datastore have their 
limitations. The format is simply reusing the already defined data 
model encoding formats, i.e., the format has nothing to do with the

operations used to retrieve the data. So I suggest:

   P2  Instance data shall reuse existing encoding rules for
       YANG defined data. 

There is no need to refer to specific protocol operations.
BALAZS: I will use both of your texts. That is the most common 
question I
get: Will this use the same format as a get-reply? People like to 
think in terms of a specific easy-to-grasp function instead of a 
non-descript set of "existing" rules. Existing means you need to 
understand X number of RFCs, while just looking up a get-reply is 
easy. It is not precise, but IMHO that's how people think.

If you write "reuse existing encoding rules", then actually fewer 
documents need to be understood. And operations have additional issues 
in how they interact with 'datastores', so they may even be misleading 
and I rather have the standards precise (and minimal normative

dependencies).

BALAZS3: Sorry, I don't fully understand your point. What would you 
like in P2?
The text now is: 
P2  Instance data shall reuse existing encoding rules for YANG
       defined data.  Its format will be similar to the response of a
       NETCONF <get> operation or the RESTCONF response to a GET method
       invocation on the (unified) datastore resource.
It refers to existing rules as you asked for and also  says" similar" 
to a get response, using phrasing from your email on 2020-02-12.
Are you OK with this? Or how would you like to change it?

What I proposed above:

   P2  Instance data shall reuse existing encoding rules for
       YANG defined data.

Your additional sentence is simply wrong. Instance data from lets say
<operational> with _not_ be 'similar' to the response of a NETCONF <get>
operation or the RESTCONF response to a GET method invocation on the
(unified) datastore resource. The same holds true for instance data from
<running>.
BALAZS4:  I would like to keep the second part of the sentence.
4+ people asked me explicitly to state this similarity during the
development of the draft. While your methodical and somewhat abstract way of
thinking has greatly helped me/us in many cases, IMHO other people often
think in the terms of examples and  in recognizing known similar
methodology. As the we use the same encoding rules for get replies and for
instance data, IMHO they are similar even if instance data allows some
additions/omissions. (People liked/requested this statement, even though
"similar" is a rather subjective term.)
Anyway it is only included in the introduction part, so while it helps some
people, it should not cause problems with the precise definition of the
format. On your request I already removed a similar statement from the
normative parts.

What the sentence says is unclear or plain wrong in a number of valid
use cases (depends on how one understands the word "similar") and thus
this sentence is misleading and asking for trouble down the road. I
fully understand the value of examples but here we define what is
called a 'basic principle' - and a basic principle that is not quite
correct for all use cases sounds like a bad idea to me.

If you want to write an example after the principles that is
identifiable as an example, I am fine with that. As the sentence is
worded right now as part of a 'basic principle', I am having an issue
with the it.

/js

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Its format will be similar to the response of a > NETCONF operation or the RESTCONF response to a GET method > invocation on the (unified) datastore resource. > > This modification is based on your feedback: > > Well, then the correct wording would be "similar to the response of a > NETCONF operation or the RESTCONF response to a GET method > invocation on the (unified) datastore resource". Sounds complex and I > still prefer the text to be agnostic to specific operations > > On the other side, you insist now on removing the latter sentence. > Could you propose a similar sentence that would satisfy your concern? > The new sentence is this: [Yeah, I suggested removal so the new sentence is empty.] /js PS: I do not mind if somewhere there is an example stated. But even then I would prefer something like this: For example, instance data of the configuration datastore is encoded similar to the response of a NETCONF operation on the datastore or a GET method invocation on the datastore resource and it will be embedded into a container together with the metadata describing the instance data. (I prefer to avoid NETCONF GET and the RESTCONF unified datastore since they have issues. But if people insist on an example using operations that have issues, I will keep my mouth shut.) -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Thu Mar 12 06:12:11 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DFFF3A07B6; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 06:11:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stewart Bryant via Datatracker To: Cc: netmod@ietf.org, last-call@ietf.org, draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default.all@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.120.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <158401871305.18111.17946808218973342191@ietfa.amsl.com> Reply-To: Stewart Bryant Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 06:11:53 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-14 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 13:11:54 -0000 Reviewer: Stewart Bryant Review result: Ready I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like any other last call comments. For more information, please see the FAQ at . Document: draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-14 Reviewer: Stewart Bryant Review Date: 2020-03-12 IETF LC End Date: 2020-03-16 IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat Summary: A well written document that is pretty much ready to go. I only have one concern and that is whether the overwrite pattern needs some text so that it does not accidentally become a covert channel. Major issues: None Minor issues: "All security sensitive data (i.e., private keys, passwords, etc.) SHOULD be overwritten with zeros or a pattern before deletion. " "a pattern" is possibly vague, and care needs to be taken that this is not a covert channel. Possibly it needs to say something like "an implementation specific common pattern"? Nits/editorial comments: Nits contains a warning about references, but one concerns text that will removed, and the other is a format error that will be fixed in publication I saw the SecDir comment on RPC. This is a starred term in the abbreviation list and does not technically need expanding. 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Its format will be similar to the response of a > > NETCONF operation or the RESTCONF response to a GET method > > invocation on the (unified) datastore resource. > > > > This modification is based on your feedback: > > > > Well, then the correct wording would be "similar to the response of a > > NETCONF operation or the RESTCONF response to a GET method > > invocation on the (unified) datastore resource". Sounds complex and I > > still prefer the text to be agnostic to specific operations > > > > On the other side, you insist now on removing the latter sentence. > > Could you propose a similar sentence that would satisfy your concern? > > > > The new sentence is this: > > > > > [Yeah, I suggested removal so the new sentence is empty.] I agree with Juergen. I find the sentence about similarity confusing. What exactly does "similar" mean? Does it mean that it has a on the top? This section defines the prinicples / objectives, and the principle is clear: Instance data shall reuse existing encoding rules for YANG defined data. > PS: I do not mind if somewhere there is an example stated. But even > then I would prefer something like this: > > For example, instance data of the configuration > datastore is encoded similar to the response of a NETCONF > operation on the datastore or a GET > method invocation on the datastore resource and it > will be embedded into a container together with the metadata > describing the instance data. Hmm. If you really want to show how a reply to compares to a corresponding instance file, it might be better with an example that shows a complete reply to this get-config, and the corresponding instance data. /martin > > (I prefer to avoid NETCONF GET and the RESTCONF unified datastore > since they have issues. But if people insist on an example using > operations that have issues, I will keep my mouth shut.) > > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod From nobody Thu Mar 12 10:09:23 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A05D3A0DC2 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 10:09:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Balazs -----Original Message----- From: netmod On Behalf Of Martin Bj=F6rklund Sent: 2020. m=E1rcius 12., cs=FCt=F6rt=F6k 17:58 To: j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Cc: netmod@ietf.org; bclaise=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-06 Hi Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 06:58:53PM +0100, Benoit Claise wrote: > > Juergen, > >=20 > > On on side, Balazs mentions: > >=20 > > 4+ people asked me explicitly to state this similarity during the > > development of the draft. > >=20 > > The current text is: > >=20 > > P2 Instance data shall reuse existing encoding rules for = YANG > > defined data. Its format will be similar to the response = of a > > NETCONF operation or the RESTCONF response to a GET method > > invocation on the (unified) datastore resource. > >=20 > > This modification is based on your feedback: > >=20 > > Well, then the correct wording would be "similar to the response of=20 > > a NETCONF operation or the RESTCONF response to a GET method=20 > > invocation on the (unified) datastore resource". Sounds complex and=20 > > I still prefer the text to be agnostic to specific operations > >=20 > > On the other side, you insist now on removing the latter sentence. > > Could you propose a similar sentence that would satisfy your = concern? > > >=20 > The new sentence is this: >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Yeah, I suggested removal so the new sentence is empty.] I agree with Juergen. =20 I find the sentence about similarity confusing. What exactly does = "similar" mean? Does it mean that it has a on the top? This section defines the prinicples / objectives, and the principle is clear: Instance data shall reuse existing encoding rules for YANG defined data. > PS: I do not mind if somewhere there is an example stated. But even > then I would prefer something like this: >=20 > For example, instance data of the configuration > datastore is encoded similar to the response of a NETCONF > operation on the datastore or a GET > method invocation on the datastore resource and it > will be embedded into a container together with the metadata > describing the instance data. Hmm. If you really want to show how a reply to compares to a corresponding instance file, it might be better with an example = that shows a complete reply to this get-config, and the corresponding = instance data. /martin >=20 > (I prefer to avoid NETCONF GET and the RESTCONF unified datastore > since they have issues. But if people insist on an example using > operations that have issues, I will keep my mouth shut.) >=20 > --=20 > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod _______________________________________________ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod ------=_NextPart_000_0187_01D5F899.538186E0 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIVbjCCAyAw ggIIoAMCAQICAR0wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwOTELMAkGA1UEBhMCRkkxDzANBgNVBAoTBlNvbmVy YTEZMBcGA1UEAxMQU29uZXJhIENsYXNzMiBDQTAeFw0wMTA0MDYwNzI5NDBaFw0yMTA0MDYwNzI5 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Please see inline. Regards, Jason > -----Original Message----- > From: netmod On Behalf Of Martin Bj=F6rklund > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 3:28 PM > To: lberger@labn.net > Cc: netmod-chairs@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption of versioning design team docs >=20 > [second attempt, sorry for duplicates] >=20 > Hi, >=20 > By document: >=20 > draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01 >=20 > This is a great contribution to the YANG ecosystem. It is very well > written, and I would like to see this document proceed quickly. The > solutions it proposed are really needed. I have one objection > though; in 7.1 the text says: >=20 > All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-label statements for all > newly published YANG modules, and all newly published revisions of > existing YANG modules. The revision-label MUST take the form of a > YANG semantic version number [I-D.verdt-netmod-yang-semver]. >=20 > I strongly disagree with this new rule. IETF modules use a linear > history, so there are no reasons to use "modified semver". [>>JTS: ] This point will obviously require further discussion, so we have = raised an issue in our GitHub DT tracker for it:=20 https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/issues/45 Would you be okay to defer discussion on this until after the adoption call= , so that we can focus discussion on the two drafts that you oppose adoptin= g? >=20 > I support the adoption of this document. >=20 > (I will send a review of this document in a separate mail) >=20 >=20 > draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01 >=20 > This draft proposes a way to express how a given revision is > backwards compatible in a very short format. With the new extension > statements in draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning, this > information is already present in the revision history of a module. > (One possible exception is editorial changes, but that can easily be > fixed by adding an "editorial" extension to "ietf-yang-revisions"). >=20 > I don't think this document should be adopted. [>>JTS: ] History suggests that YANG modules, even those produced by IETF w= ill not always be flawless. Most IETF documents may end up having a linear = history (in which case semver and the modified semver look the same). But = some may not.=20 Vendors, however, definitely need to be able to support/fix issues in shipp= ed releases without forcing clients to move to the latest code. That means = some ability to describe changes in branched modules is required. Branching= is optional (and NBC changes in previous versions is not recommended) but = when it does need to happen, we should at least have a standardized and wel= l described mechanism available. Semver provides a lot more intuitive high level information about the scope= of changes in a module vs a vanilla revision date. It presents a human fri= endly approximation/summary for a complex lineage system when needed.=20 Having a common modified yang semver scheme for standard and vendor models = would be very useful for consumers of YANG models.=20 Ultimately a diff of modules is needed to know every change, but it does gi= ve a quick 1 line indication of the impact of changing between two module v= ersions, and can handle branched model development. >=20 >=20 > draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03 >=20 > I support the adoption of this document. >=20 >=20 > draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 >=20 > I think the solutions proposed in this draft are overly complex and > some of them are probably impossible to implement correctly in real > world use cases. >=20 > I don't think this document should be adopted. [>>JTS: ] It would be good to discuss the scenarios that version selection = may not work for.=20 We do believe there are some cases where version selection is very helpful.= =20 One example is when an NBC change needs to occur (e.g. bug fix, or extendin= g functionality) that causes a leaf to change type but there is a strong de= sire to keep the same name (e.g. something basic like "interface" or "addre= ss"). We can't use a "status deprecated" approach to support the old functi= onality in this case. Another example is the ability for a client to specify (and a server to adv= ertise & limit) which data models (3rd party vs proprietary) it wants to us= e for interactions with the server. This is an important part of a complete solution to versioning and backward= s compatibility, and after discussions of various alternatives we think thi= s is the most viable approach. Note that this draft is optional for clients and servers to support. It pro= vides a scheme when it is desired/needed but servers aren't required to sup= port this if it is too complex for them or not useful in their applications= . There is also a fair bit of flexibility in the draft for different server= capabilities. >=20 >=20 > draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00 >=20 > I support the adoption of this document. >=20 >=20 >=20 > /martin >=20 >=20 > Lou Berger wrote: > > Hi, > > We'd like to start a two week adoption call for the set of documents > > described below by Rob. To be specific, this includes > > 1) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03 > > 2) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01 > > 3) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01 > > 4) draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03 > > 5) draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 > > 6) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00 > > > > The adoption call ends in two weeks, on March 16. > > > > Please voice your support or objections on list. While we prefer to > > adopt as a set, objections on specific documents are acceptable. > > > > Netmod Chairs > > > > On 2/29/2020 2:21 AM, Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote: > > > > > Netmod chairs, > > > > > > The version selection draft draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 > > > is now posted. With that, the YANG versioning design team would like > > > to please request you make an WG adoption call for these documents. > > > > > > The updated full list is: > > > > > > 1) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03 > > > - Solution overview, updated since 106 to cover updates to version > > > - selection and schema comparison drafts. > > > > > > 2) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01 > > > - Base module versioning solution, unchanged from the version pres= ented > > > - at 106. > > > > > > 3) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01 > > > - YANG Semantic version numbers, unchanged from the version > presented at > > > - 106. > > > > > > 4) draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03 > > > - YANG packages draft, updated since 106 > > > 5) draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 > > > - Version selection, updated since 106, as per notes below > > > > > > 6) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00 > > > - Schema comparison tooling, unchanged from the version presented = at > > > - 106. > > > > > > The main changes to the version selection draft are: > > > - We have tried to simplify the model, but at the same time give s= ervers > > > - more flexibility about how they implement version selection and = what > > > - it can be used for. E.g. if the server wants to allow a client = to > > > - choose between different schema versions, but require that all c= lients > > > - use the same schema version, that is now possible > > > - The draft explicitly disallows schema-selection happening mid-se= ssion > > > - The solution allows the server to require clients to configure > > > - schema-sets before they are used > > > - The solution provides more information about which schema-sets a= re > > > - compatible with each other > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rob > > > > > > >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod From nobody Fri Mar 13 13:14:23 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A8F73A0DAC; Fri, 13 Mar 2020 13:14:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ezMvf1hEefoB; Fri, 13 Mar 2020 13:14:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pl1-x62e.google.com (mail-pl1-x62e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::62e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8CB5E3A0DA5; Fri, 13 Mar 2020 13:14:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pl1-x62e.google.com with SMTP id w12so4779159pll.13; Fri, 13 Mar 2020 13:14:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:mime-version:subject:message-id:date:to; bh=NK3dlyiWY/77F+xuoFh4C9fzI53x7uXMV5tkAyOsIGY=; b=VRGgOlzFUTEoXuXaui1vZ5htjObdwoV1fTsB9S8YVuukLl95fgbpm501vUctIgDlOb tNhp46S0pAXZDEu3K2M3khqsoP5Piq8L7z5WutoJu10F76CiRtr7Q+wXWbIXkHgiTd89 zD4q9phpYd7UT9LLckrm594DyoAPfrIsavvbRJ56LFNF4ATosVggFIjReQmjXESeylBu tf2Ll085/oEKhsSSw9hQvmqcECMeqIkbBxqgqi+CwdNIvwA6c+BygM/DIuJtWOU8mb6q 07ebWX/cBDyZEte6oaHczOJh9EPGISW92yt+guo/kKuUPjLkneH2kE4BtTcsKAJNc8kj RiwQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:subject:message-id:date:to; bh=NK3dlyiWY/77F+xuoFh4C9fzI53x7uXMV5tkAyOsIGY=; b=FxTFvYQG9gvAFiDfVECC5cQQPuf+wHzzGIH3BK+IUiHWkTGRsb8yxJ1TvqMbHWDNM2 nHfsd78Ywj70eSXW8++Tre9N+e8zn/N7uHUjVjPWeU0gddaqHc12C0oxpdhI4NBDe6QB MoqTneDZXzmZkjGCJych9yWAg3tFew+e64E/nwvLpnKNbu1/s4V7G06IV3XWInWzwMIn NzjFlXpTn+uLzn4fTqkZg9aVyylSvNtPEWo9HMPgmtdhbw2wdGY968c2zLCd1xeQArM6 muBFMlGRZnIRUQSoYJKnGLATxA0aFu7MeXzc4Ad/fU+4hIa8lG4P6O0LxAhdxkocRALU RTWA== X-Gm-Message-State: ANhLgQ35W5i++C2PCVbVugwp2GqjoXL1fVVAqul6uTJIJrx2NOWOaobQ LdOZvFDeFWjduSFWw2ml2ZwTpojJ X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADFU+vseNYqd6VANSO1Pa/ZF7+uXbLKVe2L+Dxe+hfEav1qtKIjyN3C55f5rz8Sx6Wj9FZElCVYIBw== X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:1983:: with SMTP id mv3mr11782406pjb.86.1584130454289; Fri, 13 Mar 2020 13:14:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:647:5600:5020:20a6:1027:cd80:bfca? ([2601:647:5600:5020:20a6:1027:cd80:bfca]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o126sm11974031pfb.140.2020.03.13.13.14.13 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 13 Mar 2020 13:14:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Mahesh Jethanandani Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_53AF3495-8FFF-4096-AA4A-0E3812C935DA" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 13:14:11 -0700 To: Netconf , netmod@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] yanglint errors for ietf-subscribed-notifications X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 20:14:17 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_53AF3495-8FFF-4096-AA4A-0E3812C935DA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 As I mentioned in the other thread, I am seeing errors while trying to = use yanglint to validate examples for modules that import = ietf-subscribed-notifications. I see it with = ietf-notification-capabilities and with my own draft ietf-https-notif. = These errors do not appear with confd.=20 Using ietf-notification-capabilites and the first example in the -12 = version of the draft which I call = examples-notification-capabilities-1.xml, and released models for = ietf-yang-push and ietf-subscribed-notifications, I see two issues. The = first one related to the statement 'required-instance=E2=80=99 in = ietf-subscribed-notifications is discussed on the other thread, and I do = not want to repeat it here. If I comment out the only instance of = =E2=80=98required-instance=E2=80=99 in the module, I run into more = errors: bash-3.2$ yanglint -s -i -t auto -p = /Volumes/External/git/iana/yang-parameters/ = ietf-system-capabilities@2020-03-08.yang = ietf-notification-capabilities@2020-03-09.yang = examples-notification-capabilities-1.xml=20 err : The leafref leaf is config but refers to a non-config leaf. = (/ietf-subscribed-notifications:subscriptions/subscription/target/stream/s= tream) err : Invalid value "subscription-policy" of "uses". = (/ietf-subscribed-notifications:subscriptions/subscription/subscription-po= licy) err : Copying data from grouping failed. = (/ietf-subscribed-notifications:subscriptions/subscription/subscription-po= licy) err : Module "ietf-subscribed-notifications" parsing failed. err : Importing "ietf-subscribed-notifications" module into = "ietf-yang-push" failed. err : Module "ietf-yang-push" parsing failed. err : Importing "ietf-yang-push" module into = "ietf-notification-capabilities" failed. err : Module "ietf-notification-capabilities" parsing failed. While pyang gives the following error: bash-3.2$ pyang -f tree ietf-subscribed-notifications@2019-09-09.yang > = ietf-subscribed-notifications@2019-09-09-tree.txt ietf-subscribed-notifications@2019-09-09.yang:381: error: the path for = stream is config but refers to a non-config leaf "name" defined at = ietf-subscribed-notifications@2019-09-09.yang:1046 Have other encountered this error? If we agree this is an error, is = there a -bis to fix this? Thanks. Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com --Apple-Mail=_53AF3495-8FFF-4096-AA4A-0E3812C935DA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 As = I mentioned in the other thread, I am seeing errors while trying to use = yanglint to validate examples for modules that import = ietf-subscribed-notifications. I see it with = ietf-notification-capabilities and with my own draft ietf-https-notif. = These errors do not appear with confd. 

Using ietf-notification-capabilites and = the first example in the -12 version of the draft which I call = examples-notification-capabilities-1.xml, and released models for = ietf-yang-push and ietf-subscribed-notifications, I see two issues. The = first one related to the statement 'required-instance=E2=80=99 in = ietf-subscribed-notifications is discussed on the other thread, and I do = not want to repeat it here. If I comment out the only instance of = =E2=80=98required-instance=E2=80=99 in the module, I run into more = errors:

bash-3.2$ yanglint -s -i -t auto -p = /Volumes/External/git/iana/yang-parameters/ ietf-system-capabilities@2020-03-08.yang ietf-notification-capabilities@2020-03-09.yang = examples-notification-capabilities-1.xml 
err = : The leafref leaf is config but refers to a non-config leaf. = (/ietf-subscribed-notifications:subscriptions/subscription/target/stream/s= tream)
err : Invalid value "subscription-policy" of = "uses". = (/ietf-subscribed-notifications:subscriptions/subscription/subscription-po= licy)
err : Copying data from grouping failed. = (/ietf-subscribed-notifications:subscriptions/subscription/subscription-po= licy)
err : Module "ietf-subscribed-notifications" = parsing failed.
err : Importing = "ietf-subscribed-notifications" module into "ietf-yang-push" = failed.
err : Module "ietf-yang-push" parsing = failed.
err : Importing "ietf-yang-push" module = into "ietf-notification-capabilities" failed.
err : = Module "ietf-notification-capabilities" parsing failed.

While pyang gives the = following error:

bash-3.2$  pyang -f tree ietf-subscribed-notifications@2019-09-09.yang > ietf-subscribed-notifications@2019-09-09-tree.txt
ietf-subscribed-notifications@2019-09-09.yang:381: error: = the path for stream is config but refers to a non-config leaf "name" = defined at ietf-subscribed-notifications@2019-09-09.yang:1046

Have other = encountered this error? If we agree this is an error, is there a -bis to = fix this?

Thanks.

Mahesh Jethanandani



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boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00C3_01D5FB6F.7B226150" ------=_NextPart_001_00C3_01D5FB6F.7B226150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable IMO this is a problem with pyang/yanglint not the model. By the way for = me pyang 2.2.1 does not indicate an error. =20 Line 381:(379) defines=20 typedef stream-ref { type leafref { path "/sn:streams/sn:stream/sn:name"; This is just a type so it is unknown if it is config=3Dfalse or true. =20 The only place stream-ref is used is line 591 type stream-ref { require-instance false; =20 According to https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-9.9 If the referring node represents configuration data and the "require-instance" property (Section 9.9.3 = ) is "true", the = referred node MUST also represent configuration. =20 However as the require-instance is false, this should not be a problem. =20 Regards Balazs P.S> As yanglint does not provide line numbers it is hard to judge what = it exactly wants. =20 =20 From: netconf On Behalf Of Mahesh = Jethanandani Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 13., p=C3=A9ntek 21:14 To: Netconf ; netmod@ietf.org Subject: [netconf] yanglint errors for ietf-subscribed-notifications =20 As I mentioned in the other thread, I am seeing errors while trying to = use yanglint to validate examples for modules that import = ietf-subscribed-notifications. I see it with = ietf-notification-capabilities and with my own draft ietf-https-notif. = These errors do not appear with confd.=20 =20 Using ietf-notification-capabilites and the first example in the -12 = version of the draft which I call = examples-notification-capabilities-1.xml, and released models for = ietf-yang-push and ietf-subscribed-notifications, I see two issues. The = first one related to the statement 'required-instance=E2=80=99 in = ietf-subscribed-notifications is discussed on the other thread, and I do = not want to repeat it here. If I comment out the only instance of = =E2=80=98required-instance=E2=80=99 in the module, I run into more = errors: =20 bash-3.2$ yanglint -s -i -t auto -p = /Volumes/External/git/iana/yang-parameters/ = ietf-system-capabilities@2020-03-08.yang = = ietf-notification-capabilities@2020-03-09.yang = = examples-notification-capabilities-1.xml=20 err : The leafref leaf is config but refers to a non-config leaf. = (/ietf-subscribed-notifications:subscriptions/subscription/target/stream/= stream) err : Invalid value "subscription-policy" of "uses". = (/ietf-subscribed-notifications:subscriptions/subscription/subscription-p= olicy) err : Copying data from grouping failed. = (/ietf-subscribed-notifications:subscriptions/subscription/subscription-p= olicy) err : Module "ietf-subscribed-notifications" parsing failed. err : Importing "ietf-subscribed-notifications" module into = "ietf-yang-push" failed. err : Module "ietf-yang-push" parsing failed. err : Importing "ietf-yang-push" module into = "ietf-notification-capabilities" failed. err : Module "ietf-notification-capabilities" parsing failed. =20 While pyang gives the following error: =20 bash-3.2$ pyang -f tree ietf-subscribed-notifications@2019-09-09.yang = > = ietf-subscribed-notifications@2019-09-09-tree.txt = =20 ietf-subscribed-notifications@2019-09-09.yang = :381: error: the = path for stream is config but refers to a non-config leaf "name" defined = at ietf-subscribed-notifications@2019-09-09.yang = :1046 =20 Have other encountered this error? If we agree this is an error, is = there a -bis to fix this? =20 Thanks. =20 Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_00C3_01D5FB6F.7B226150 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

IMO this = is a problem with pyang/yanglint not the model. By the way for me pyang = 2.2.1 does not indicate an error.

 

Line = 381:(379) defines

typedef stream-ref = {

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 type leafref = {

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 path = "/sn:streams/sn:stream/sn:name";

This is just a type so it is unknown if it is = config=3Dfalse or true.

 

The only = place stream-ref is used is line 591

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = type stream-ref {

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 require-instance false;

 

According to = https://tools.ie= tf.org/html/rfc7950#section-9.9

If the referring node represents configuration data and = the

=C2=A0=C2=A0 = "require-instance" property (Section = 9.9.3) is "true", the referred

=C2=A0=C2=A0 node MUST also represent = configuration.

 

However as = the require-instance is false, this should not be a = problem.

 

Regards Balazs

P.S> As yanglint does not provide line numbers it = is hard to judge what it exactly wants.

 

 

From: netconf = <netconf-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Mahesh = Jethanandani
Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 13., p=C3=A9ntek = 21:14
To: Netconf <netconf@ietf.org>; = netmod@ietf.org
Subject: [netconf] yanglint errors for = ietf-subscribed-notifications

 

As I = mentioned in the other thread, I am seeing errors while trying to use = yanglint to validate examples for modules that import = ietf-subscribed-notifications. I see it with = ietf-notification-capabilities and with my own draft ietf-https-notif. = These errors do not appear with confd. 

 

Using ietf-notification-capabilites and the first = example in the -12 version of the draft which I call = examples-notification-capabilities-1.xml, and released models for = ietf-yang-push and ietf-subscribed-notifications, I see two issues. The = first one related to the statement 'required-instance=E2=80=99 in = ietf-subscribed-notifications is discussed on the other thread, and I do = not want to repeat it here. If I comment out the only instance of = =E2=80=98required-instance=E2=80=99 in the module, I run into more = errors:

 

bash-3.2$ yanglint -s -i -t auto -p = /Volumes/External/git/iana/yang-parameters/ ietf-system-capa= bilities@2020-03-08.yang ietf-notif= ication-capabilities@2020-03-09.yang = examples-notification-capabilities-1.xml 

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>err : The leafref leaf is config but refers to a = non-config leaf. = (/ietf-subscribed-notifications:subscriptions/subscription/target/stream/= stream)

err : Invalid = value "subscription-policy" of "uses". = (/ietf-subscribed-notifications:subscriptions/subscription/subscription-p= olicy)

err : Copying data = from grouping failed. = (/ietf-subscribed-notifications:subscriptions/subscription/subscription-p= olicy)

err : Module = "ietf-subscribed-notifications" parsing = failed.

err : Importing = "ietf-subscribed-notifications" module into = "ietf-yang-push" failed.

err : Module "ietf-yang-push" parsing = failed.

err : Importing = "ietf-yang-push" module into = "ietf-notification-capabilities" = failed.

err : Module = "ietf-notification-capabilities" parsing = failed.

 

While pyang gives the following = error:

 

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>ietf-subscr= ibed-notifications@2019-09-09.yang:381: error: the path for stream = is config but refers to a non-config leaf "name" defined at ietf-subscr= ibed-notifications@2019-09-09.yang:1046

 

Have other encountered this error? If we agree this is = an error, is there a -bis to fix this?

 

Thanks.

 

= Mahesh Jethanandani

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definition? 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Hi, 

It is posible to mount just part of other yang module (i.e. just the "= state" branch) using the current definition?

Regards

S= amier Barguil
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I=E2=80=99d prefer the = documents regarding semver be adopted as Experimental until more is = known. Kent > On Mar 13, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) = wrote: >=20 > Hi Martin, >=20 > Thanks for taking a look at the drafts and for your support of the = DT's work. Please see inline. >=20 > Regards, > Jason >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: netmod On Behalf Of Martin Bj=C3=B6rklu= nd >> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 3:28 PM >> To: lberger@labn.net >> Cc: netmod-chairs@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption of versioning design team docs >>=20 >> [second attempt, sorry for duplicates] >>=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >> By document: >>=20 >> draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01 >>=20 >> This is a great contribution to the YANG ecosystem. It is very well >> written, and I would like to see this document proceed quickly. The >> solutions it proposed are really needed. I have one objection >> though; in 7.1 the text says: >>=20 >> All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-label statements for = all >> newly published YANG modules, and all newly published revisions of >> existing YANG modules. The revision-label MUST take the form of a >> YANG semantic version number [I-D.verdt-netmod-yang-semver]. >>=20 >> I strongly disagree with this new rule. IETF modules use a linear >> history, so there are no reasons to use "modified semver". >=20 > [>>JTS: ] This point will obviously require further discussion, so we = have raised an issue in our GitHub DT tracker for it:=20 > https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/issues/45 >=20 > Would you be okay to defer discussion on this until after the adoption = call, so that we can focus discussion on the two drafts that you oppose = adopting? >=20 >>=20 >> I support the adoption of this document. >>=20 >> (I will send a review of this document in a separate mail) >>=20 >>=20 >> draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01 >>=20 >> This draft proposes a way to express how a given revision is >> backwards compatible in a very short format. With the new extension >> statements in draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning, this >> information is already present in the revision history of a module. >> (One possible exception is editorial changes, but that can easily be >> fixed by adding an "editorial" extension to "ietf-yang-revisions"). >>=20 >> I don't think this document should be adopted. >=20 > [>>JTS: ] History suggests that YANG modules, even those produced by = IETF will not always be flawless. Most IETF documents may end up having = a linear history (in which case semver and the modified semver look the = same). But some may not.=20 >=20 > Vendors, however, definitely need to be able to support/fix issues in = shipped releases without forcing clients to move to the latest code. = That means some ability to describe changes in branched modules is = required. Branching is optional (and NBC changes in previous versions is = not recommended) but when it does need to happen, we should at least = have a standardized and well described mechanism available. >=20 > Semver provides a lot more intuitive high level information about the = scope of changes in a module vs a vanilla revision date. It presents a = human friendly approximation/summary for a complex lineage system when = needed.=20 >=20 > Having a common modified yang semver scheme for standard and vendor = models would be very useful for consumers of YANG models.=20 >=20 > Ultimately a diff of modules is needed to know every change, but it = does give a quick 1 line indication of the impact of changing between = two module versions, and can handle branched model development. >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03 >>=20 >> I support the adoption of this document. >>=20 >>=20 >> draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 >>=20 >> I think the solutions proposed in this draft are overly complex and >> some of them are probably impossible to implement correctly in real >> world use cases. >>=20 >> I don't think this document should be adopted. >=20 >=20 > [>>JTS: ] It would be good to discuss the scenarios that version = selection may not work for.=20 >=20 > We do believe there are some cases where version selection is very = helpful.=20 >=20 > One example is when an NBC change needs to occur (e.g. bug fix, or = extending functionality) that causes a leaf to change type but there is = a strong desire to keep the same name (e.g. something basic like = "interface" or "address"). We can't use a "status deprecated" approach = to support the old functionality in this case. >=20 > Another example is the ability for a client to specify (and a server = to advertise & limit) which data models (3rd party vs proprietary) it = wants to use for interactions with the server. >=20 > This is an important part of a complete solution to versioning and = backwards compatibility, and after discussions of various alternatives = we think this is the most viable approach. >=20 > Note that this draft is optional for clients and servers to support. = It provides a scheme when it is desired/needed but servers aren't = required to support this if it is too complex for them or not useful in = their applications. There is also a fair bit of flexibility in the draft = for different server capabilities. >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00 >>=20 >> I support the adoption of this document. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> /martin >>=20 >>=20 >> Lou Berger wrote: >>> Hi, >>> We'd like to start a two week adoption call for the set of documents >>> described below by Rob. To be specific, this includes >>> 1) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03 >>> 2) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01 >>> 3) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01 >>> 4) draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03 >>> 5) draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 >>> 6) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00 >>>=20 >>> The adoption call ends in two weeks, on March 16. >>>=20 >>> Please voice your support or objections on list. While we prefer to >>> adopt as a set, objections on specific documents are acceptable. >>>=20 >>> Netmod Chairs >>>=20 >>> On 2/29/2020 2:21 AM, Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Netmod chairs, >>>>=20 >>>> The version selection draft = draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 >>>> is now posted. With that, the YANG versioning design team would = like >>>> to please request you make an WG adoption call for these documents. >>>>=20 >>>> The updated full list is: >>>>=20 >>>> 1) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03 >>>> - Solution overview, updated since 106 to cover updates to = version >>>> - selection and schema comparison drafts. >>>>=20 >>>> 2) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01 >>>> - Base module versioning solution, unchanged from the version = presented >>>> - at 106. >>>>=20 >>>> 3) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01 >>>> - YANG Semantic version numbers, unchanged from the version >> presented at >>>> - 106. >>>>=20 >>>> 4) draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03 >>>> - YANG packages draft, updated since 106 >>>> 5) draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 >>>> - Version selection, updated since 106, as per notes below >>>>=20 >>>> 6) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00 >>>> - Schema comparison tooling, unchanged from the version presented = at >>>> - 106. >>>>=20 >>>> The main changes to the version selection draft are: >>>> - We have tried to simplify the model, but at the same time give = servers >>>> - more flexibility about how they implement version selection and = what >>>> - it can be used for. E.g. if the server wants to allow a client = to >>>> - choose between different schema versions, but require that all = clients >>>> - use the same schema version, that is now possible >>>> - The draft explicitly disallows schema-selection happening = mid-session >>>> - The solution allows the server to require clients to configure >>>> - schema-sets before they are used >>>> - The solution provides more information about which schema-sets = are >>>> - compatible with each other >>>>=20 >>>> Regards, >>>> Rob >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> netmod mailing list >> netmod@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod From nobody Tue Mar 17 05:15:48 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87AEF3A1DEA for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 05:15:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.361 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.361 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.463, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit All, The adoption call ended yesterday.  While there is clearly work to do to reach consensus on these documents, they are all adopted as the starting point for the solutions that the WG will develop on these topics.  Normal working group processing of these documents will continue on these documents.  This includes revisiting intended status of each document before submission for publication to the IESG.  We thank the design team for their hard work and important contributions! Authors,     Please repos each document, with only the file name and publication date changed.  The file names should all be in the form draft-ietf-netmod-. Thank you, Lou (and Kent and Joel) On 3/2/2020 5:29 PM, Lou Berger wrote: > Hi, > We'd like to start a two week adoption call for the set of documents described below by Rob. To be specific, this includes > 1) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03 > 2) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01 > 3) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01 > 4) draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03 > 5) draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 > 6) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00 > > The adoption call ends in two weeks, on March 16. > > Please voice your support or objections on list. While we prefer to adopt as a set, objections on specific documents are acceptable. > > Netmod Chairs > > On 2/29/2020 2:21 AM, Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote: >> Netmod chairs, >> >> The version selection draft draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 is now posted. With that, the YANG versioning design team would like to please request you make an WG adoption call for these documents. >> >> The updated full list is: >> >> 1) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03 >> - Solution overview, updated since 106 to cover updates to version selection and schema comparison drafts. >> >> 2) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01 >> - Base module versioning solution, unchanged from the version presented at 106. >> >> 3) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01 >> - YANG Semantic version numbers, unchanged from the version presented at 106. >> >> 4) draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03 >> - YANG packages draft, updated since 106 >> >> 5) draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 >> - Version selection, updated since 106, as per notes below >> >> 6) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00 >> - Schema comparison tooling, unchanged from the version presented at 106. >> >> The main changes to the version selection draft are: >> - We have tried to simplify the model, but at the same time give servers more flexibility about how they implement version selection and what it can be used for. E.g. if the server wants to allow a client to choose between different schema versions, but require that all clients use the same schema version, that is now possible >> - The draft explicitly disallows schema-selection happening mid-session >> - The solution allows the server to require clients to configure schema-sets before they are used >> - The solution provides more information about which schema-sets are compatible with each other >> >> Regards, >> Rob >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod --------------71D7B83F5A5E44819589B59C Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

All,

The adoption call ended yesterday.  While there is clearly work to do to reach consensus on these documents, they are all adopted as the starting point for the solutions that the WG will develop on these topics.  Normal working group processing of these documents will continue on these documents.  This includes revisiting intended status of each document before submission for publication to the IESG.  We thank the design team for their hard work and important contributions!

Authors,

    Please repos each document, with only the file name and publication date changed.  The file names should all be in the form draft-ietf-netmod-<current-name>.

Thank you,

Lou (and Kent and Joel)

On 3/2/2020 5:29 PM, Lou Berger wrote:
Hi,
We'd like to start a two week adoption call for the set of documents described below by Rob.  To be specific, this includes
1) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03
2) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01
3) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01
4) draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03
5) draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02
6) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00

The adoption call ends in two weeks, on March 16.  

Please voice your support or objections on list.  While we prefer to adopt as a set, objections on specific documents are acceptable.

Netmod Chairs

On 2/29/2020 2:21 AM, Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote:

Netmod chairs,

The version selection draft draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02 is now posted.  With that, the YANG versioning design team would like to please request you make an WG adoption call for these documents.

The updated full list is:

1) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-solutions-03
  - Solution overview, updated since 106 to cover updates to version selection and schema comparison drafts.

2) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01
  - Base module versioning solution, unchanged from the version presented at 106.

3) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-semver-01
  - YANG Semantic version numbers, unchanged from the version presented at 106.

4) draft-rwilton-netmod-yang-packages-03
  - YANG packages draft, updated since 106
  
5) draft-wilton-netmod-yang-ver-selection-02
  - Version selection, updated since 106, as per notes below

6) draft-verdt-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00
  - Schema comparison tooling, unchanged from the version presented at 106.

The main changes to the version selection draft are:
  - We have tried to simplify the model, but at the same time give servers more flexibility about how they implement version selection and what it can be used for.  E.g. if the server wants to allow a client to choose between different schema versions, but require that all clients use the same schema version, that is now possible
  - The draft explicitly disallows schema-selection happening mid-session
  - The solution allows the server to require clients to configure schema-sets before they are used
  - The solution provides more information about which schema-sets are compatible with each other

Regards,
Rob




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--------------71D7B83F5A5E44819589B59C-- From nobody Tue Mar 17 09:14:23 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30FEB3A076C; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 09:14:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netmod@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.121.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netmod@ietf.org Message-ID: <158446166097.32209.8862455804023290028@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 09:14:21 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-module-versioning-00.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 16:14:22 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. Title : Updated YANG Module Revision Handling Authors : Benoit Claise Joe Clarke Reshad Rahman Robert Wilton Balazs Lengyel Jason Sterne Kevin D'Souza Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-yang-module-versioning-00.txt Pages : 34 Date : 2020-03-17 Abstract: This document specifies a new YANG module update procedure that can document when non-backwards-compatible changes have occurred during the evolution of a YANG module. It extends the YANG import statement with an earliest revision filter to better represent inter-module dependencies. It provides help and guidelines for managing the lifecycle of YANG modules and individual schema nodes. This document updates RFC 7950, RFC 8407 and RFC 8525. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Mar 17 09:18:26 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C6593A0775; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 09:18:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netmod@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.121.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netmod@ietf.org Message-ID: <158446189625.32163.5815135970860421277@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 09:18:16 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-packages-00.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 16:18:17 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Packages Authors : Robert Wilton Reshad Rahman Joe Clarke Jason Sterne Bo Wu Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-yang-packages-00.txt Pages : 56 Date : 2020-03-17 Abstract: This document defines YANG packages, a versioned organizational structure holding a set of related YANG modules, that collectively define a YANG schema. It describes how packages: are represented on a server, can be defined in offline YANG instance data documents, and can be used to define the schema associated with YANG instance data documents. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-packages/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-packages-00 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-packages-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Mar 17 09:19:51 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EF8C3A07DF; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 09:19:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netmod@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.121.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netmod@ietf.org Message-ID: <158446196426.32147.17243960511285380106@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 09:19:24 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-semver-00.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 16:19:42 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Semantic Versioning Authors : Benoit Claise Joe Clarke Reshad Rahman Robert Wilton Balazs Lengyel Jason Sterne Kevin D'Souza Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-yang-semver-00.txt Pages : 15 Date : 2020-03-17 Abstract: This document specifies a scheme for applying a modified set of semantic versioning rules to revisions of YANG modules. Additionally, this document defines a revision label for this modified semver scheme based on the specification in draft-verdt- netmod-yang-module-versioning. 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This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Schema Selection Authors : Robert Wilton Reshad Rahman Joe Clarke Jason Sterne Bo Wu Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-yang-ver-selection-00.txt Pages : 32 Date : 2020-03-17 Abstract: This document defines a mechanism to allow clients, using NETCONF or RESTCONF, to configure and select YANG schema for interactions with a server. This functionality can help servers support clients using older revisions of YANG modules even if later revisions contain non- backwards-compatible changes. It can also be used to allow clients to select between YANG schema defined by different organizations. This draft provides a solution to YANG versioning requirements 3.1 and 3.2. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mar 17, 2020, at 08:15, Lou Berger > wrote: All, The adoption call ended yesterday. While there is clearly work to do to re= ach consensus on these documents, they are all adopted as the starting poin= t for the solutions that the WG will develop on these topics. Normal worki= ng group processing of these documents will continue on these documents. T= his includes revisiting intended status of each document before submission = for publication to the IESG. We thank the design team for their hard work = and important contributions! Authors, Please repos each document, with only the file name and publication dat= e changed. The file names should all be in the form draft-ietf-netmod-. All documents have been reposted as WG documents with -00 rev. I have upda= ted replaces, too. I think two of them need your approval as Rob was the o= nly listed author on them. Joe --_000_2C4A3B62D4E14F8A872FCC6C5B6D832Aciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <772FFCC395D4FC49A37FD1C6EDD6BDB4@namprd11.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Mar 17, 2020, at 08:15, Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net> wrote:

All,

The adoption call ended yesterday.  While there is clear= ly work to do to reach consensus on these documents, they are all adopted a= s the starting point for the solutions that the WG will develop on these to= pics.  Normal working group processing of these documents will continue on these documents.  This includes r= evisiting intended status of each document before submission for publicatio= n to the IESG.  We thank the design team for their hard work and impor= tant contributions!

Authors,

    Please repos each document, with only the = file name and publication date changed.  The file names should all be = in the form draft-ietf-netmod-<current-name>.


All documents have been reposted as WG documents with -00 rev.  I= have updated replaces, too.  I think two of them need your approval a= s Rob was the only listed author on them.

Joe

--_000_2C4A3B62D4E14F8A872FCC6C5B6D832Aciscocom_-- From nobody Tue Mar 17 09:26:23 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 839A63A0801; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 09:26:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netmod@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.121.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netmod@ietf.org Message-ID: <158446238147.32043.3696316559821868034@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 09:26:21 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 16:26:22 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Schema Comparison Author : Robert Wilton Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2020-03-17 Abstract: This document specifies an algorithm for comparing two revisions of a YANG schema to determine the scope of changes, and a list of changes, between the revisions. The output of the algorithm can be used to help select an appropriate revision-label or YANG semantic version number for a new revision. This document defines a YANG extension that provides YANG annotations to help the tool accurately determine the scope of changes between two revisions. 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This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Instance Data File Format Authors : Balazs Lengyel Benoit Claise Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-09.txt Pages : 27 Date : 2020-03-17 Abstract: There is a need to document data defined in YANG models when a live server is not available. Data is often needed already at design or implementation time or needed by groups that do not have a live running server available. This document specifies a standard file format for YANG instance data, which follows the syntax and semantics of existing YANG models, and annotates it with metadata. 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Se recebeu esta mensa= gem por erro, rogamos-lhe que nos o comunique imediatamente por esta me= sma via e proceda a sua destrui=E7=E3o From nobody Tue Mar 17 11:54:03 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FEE03A0A80; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 11:53:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alexey Melnikov via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags@ietf.org, netmod-chairs@ietf.org, netmod@ietf.org, Joel Jaeggli , joelja@gmail.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.121.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Alexey Melnikov Message-ID: <158447123629.32233.72964774190062925@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 11:53:56 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] Alexey Melnikov's No Objection on draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-10: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 18:53:57 -0000 Alexey Melnikov has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-10: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for addressing my DISCUSS and my apologies for taking so long. From nobody Tue Mar 17 12:24:07 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C6793A0C8B; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 12:23:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.121.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: The IESG , Joel Jaeggli , netmod@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, netmod-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags@ietf.org, joelja@gmail.com, alissa@cooperw.in MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <158447302661.32197.3180037739533262835@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 12:23:46 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] Protocol Action: 'YANG Module Tags' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-10.txt) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 19:24:02 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'YANG Module Tags' (draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-10.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Network Modeling Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Warren Kumari, Ignas Bagdonas and Alissa Cooper. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags/ Technical Summary This document provides for the association of tags with YANG modules. The expectation is for such tags to be used to help classify and organize modules. A method for defining, reading and writing modules’ tags is provided. Tags may be standardized and assigned during module definition, assigned by implementations, or dynamically defined and set by users. This document provides guidance to future model writers and, as such, this document updates RFC 8407. Working Group Summary The WG had significant questions on how module tags might be used. Section 1.1 of the document dwells on how and why module tags are applied, addressing significant points in this discussion from the vantage point of WG participants. Possible usage of the module tags was the most controversial part of the document progress, which eventually came to consensus. Document Quality There is a substantial interest from the model user community to have module tags functionality available. The document has received significant reviews, including vigorous WG debate that resulted in significant changes to the document and multiple WG last calls. YANG doctors have reviewed the document. Personnel Joel Jaeggli is the Document Shepherd for this document. Alissa Cooper is the Responsible Area Director. IANA Note The document defines two new IANA registries (YANG Module Tag Prefixes Registry and YANG Module Tags Registry), and adds entries to two existing IANA registries (IETF XML Registry and YANG Modules Names Registry). From nobody Tue Mar 17 19:57:57 2020 Return-Path: <01000170eb9368e1-3f3186d5-9792-492a-8a33-4bb589552b6d-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A141A3A0F4E for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 19:57:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o4FTcqRuVMJn for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 19:57:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a48-90.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a48-90.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.48.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7D713A0F4B for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 19:57:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1584500271; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:Feedback-ID; bh=CoY8ETg7HujYuTQ6Q6s5EL/5adUMUfzPzjX1+qC758I=; b=Q2MHt+UN2OXuI9ftplXT0qcTYlPNcV/gzZkXmBBUqUBytg0sREkNpJ+WStv4te04 ua3aJoMSVhjfMJv/O6+yH+aNUTPIBXjpp7jwAlGbBiDzV4kyhLqzv8MZHmXiNkh2Y+M GYmvkSYqywdtspihBkHe1DPy4geEV1yHnWpwjmfg= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Kent Watsen In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 02:57:51 +0000 Cc: "netmod@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <01000170eb9368e1-3f3186d5-9792-492a-8a33-4bb589552b6d-000000@email.amazonses.com> References: <0100017045205157-ba7a6e8f-0d4d-4540-b6ca-94d4d81dbe02-000000@email.amazonses.com> To: =?utf-8?Q?Bal=C3=A1zs_Lengyel?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.03.18-54.240.48.90 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-06 to -07 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 02:57:56 -0000 Hi Balazs, > Have the YANG modules been validated and tested for formatting? >=20 > (i.e., pyang -f yang --keep-comments --yang-line-length 69 filename)=20= >=20 > BALAZS: yes. With pyang offline and yangvalidator.com Okay. =20 > Have the examples in the draft validated against the YANG module? >=20 > BALAZS: Only manually. How do you validate samples conforming to a = yang data structure ? Hmmm, seeing that the examples are still not valid, here goes: Until such time as tools support validating structure-data-ext,=20= one can rewrite the YANG module via s/sx:structure/container/=20 and perform the validation against the resulting YANG module. > Please review the Normative/Informative status of the references. >=20 > Not looking carefully, but RFCs 2119 and 8174 should be Normative,=20 >=20 > and I think RFCs 3688 and 6020 should be Informative, right? >=20 > BALAZS: OK, changed in rev 08 Did you check all the other references too? (I=E2=80=99m trying to save = having to do another roundtrip when I do the shepherd writeup...) > All of the =E2=80=9Cimport=E2=80=9D statements in the YANG module are = missing a >=20 > =E2=80=9Creference=E2=80=9D statement. >=20 > BALAZS: >=20 > Added: >=20 > rfc6991 for types added. >=20 > Already present: >=20 > rfc8342 for datastores >=20 > ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext for ietf-yang-structure-ext Again, all the =E2=80=9Cimport=E2=80=9D statements in the YANG module = are missing a =E2=80=9Creference=E2=80=9D statement. > Please add a paragraph to Section 5.2 preceding the YANG module >=20 > indicating all the aforementioned Normative references. >=20 > BALAZS: OK, I did it, but >=20 > this is not what is required by = https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8407#section-3.9. >=20 > I also see no value in this statement. I the "reference=E2=80=9D statements mentioned above had been added, = then s3.9 applies. > The copyright in the YANG module needs to be 2020 (not 2019) >=20 > BALAZS: OK >=20 > =20 >=20 > Please ensure a blank line between paragraphs in the =E2=80=9Cdescriptio= n" >=20 > statements. >=20 > BALAZS: OK >=20 > =20 >=20 > Please add a statement to the Introduction regarding why the module >=20 > Isn=E2=80=99t compliant with NMDA. >=20 > BALAZS: Sorry, don=E2=80=99t understand. Why is this not compliant = with NMDA ? >=20 > IMHO it is NMDA compliant, or rather it has nothing to do with NDMA. Either way but, per https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8407#section-3.5, the=20= statement should be in the Introduction section. > The tree diagram does not adhere to the syntax described in=20 >=20 > draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext. =20 >=20 > BALAZS: OK I try, but what actually is the problem? Any help would be = really appreciated. I was looking at the =E2=80=9C+=E2=80=94rw=E2=80=9D, which can=E2=80=99t = be right because yang-data is not =E2=80=9Cconfiguration=E2=80=9D... > Sadly >=20 > pyang -p ../ietfYams ietf-yang-instance-data\@2020-03-06.yang -f tree = --tree-print-yang-data --tree-print-yang-data >=20 > doesn=E2=80=99t print out anything, so I am handcrafting. `pyang` supports the old/RFC8040 =E2=80=9Crc:yang-data=E2=80=9D = statement; it hasn=E2=80=99t been updated to support the new = "sx:structure=E2=80=9D statement. > I just updated pyang from git. Any idea why this doesn=E2=80=99t work = for me? >=20 > It would be good if YangValidator would print out the tree. At some = point it did. Not now. :-( First, use the s/sx:structure/container/ trick mentioned above. Then s/+--rw/+=E2=80=94/. Then review = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext-05#section-3 = and tweak accordingly until all is good. > Please update the first sentence in Section 5.1 to also reference = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext. >=20 > BALZS: OK >=20 > =20 >=20 > Please ensure that the planning-text version of the draft passes >=20 > IDNITS (https://www6.ietf.org/tools/idnits) at the =E2=80=9Cverbose = output=E2=80=9D >=20 > level and correct any issues found, or explain why they shouldn=E2=80=99= t >=20 > be corrected. >=20 > BALAZS: OK, corrected Thanks! (this is almost always the cause for needing another draft = update when doing the shepherd writeup) NEW: looking at the new "format-version=E2=80=9D, please add a pattern = statement to constrain the string values appropriately. Hint, it=E2=80=99= s half a "date-and-time=E2=80=9D type... Kent // contributor (and shepherd) From nobody Wed Mar 18 13:07:36 2020 Return-Path: <01000170ef41c649-255d0811-a030-4b60-9d1f-a06d39f4ebf8-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33C0F3A1BB6 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2020 13:07:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2PxubUuJtU7R for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2020 13:07:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a8-31.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-31.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B81593A1B97 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2020 13:07:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1584562030; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:Feedback-ID; bh=//ULgho3Z7Zl/gbJbqREGpMkmZaOmbG+bABKUtXlG58=; b=NXEAxFBdacGwqBgtp0DGPFx7vOey9P6XTm18KgCOW28rd/wVVLVeZpT9Aypon2CM nIJfhlb0XSNLA9Po67Hl88FLG71KT9wW6ZeIY70oyd1GStVKvCNdi0eZk3ShVu6dgGC GsDkx9rhJRMhwN1c6bkeyd30P5vE5H74r3OuJlgE= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Kent Watsen In-Reply-To: <01000170eb9368e1-3f3186d5-9792-492a-8a33-4bb589552b6d-000000@email.amazonses.com> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 20:07:10 +0000 Cc: "netmod@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <01000170ef41c649-255d0811-a030-4b60-9d1f-a06d39f4ebf8-000000@email.amazonses.com> References: <0100017045205157-ba7a6e8f-0d4d-4540-b6ca-94d4d81dbe02-000000@email.amazonses.com> <01000170eb9368e1-3f3186d5-9792-492a-8a33-4bb589552b6d-000000@email.amazonses.com> To: =?utf-8?Q?Bal=C3=A1zs_Lengyel?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.03.18-54.240.8.31 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-06 to -07 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 20:07:34 -0000 One more thing, for non-mandatory nodes that don=E2=80=99t have a = default value specified, please ensure the =E2=80=9Cdescription=E2=80=9D = statement states what it means for the node to be set or not set = (whichever is easier)? For instance: OLD: leaf name { type string; description "Name of the YANG instance data set."; } NEW (assuming this makes sense): leaf name { type string; description =E2=80=9CAn arbitrary name for the YANG instance data set. = This value is primarily used for descriptive purposes. However, when the instance data set is saved to a file, then the filename MUST encode the name=E2=80=99s value, per Section 3=20= of RFC XXXX."; } BTW, should the requirement of it needing to be encoded into the filename place constraints on the =E2=80=9Cstring=E2=80=9D type? Should = a =E2=80=9Cpattern=E2=80=9D statement be added? Kent > On Mar 17, 2020, at 10:57 PM, Kent Watsen = wrote: >=20 >=20 > Hi Balazs, >=20 >=20 >> Have the YANG modules been validated and tested for formatting? >>=20 >> (i.e., pyang -f yang --keep-comments --yang-line-length 69 filename)=20= >>=20 >> BALAZS: yes. With pyang offline and yangvalidator.com >=20 > Okay. >=20 >=20 >> Have the examples in the draft validated against the YANG module? >>=20 >> BALAZS: Only manually. How do you validate samples conforming to a = yang data structure ? >=20 > Hmmm, seeing that the examples are still not valid, here goes: >=20 > Until such time as tools support validating structure-data-ext,=20= > one can rewrite the YANG module via s/sx:structure/container/=20 > and perform the validation against the resulting YANG module. >=20 >=20 >> Please review the Normative/Informative status of the references. >>=20 >> Not looking carefully, but RFCs 2119 and 8174 should be Normative,=20 >>=20 >> and I think RFCs 3688 and 6020 should be Informative, right? >>=20 >> BALAZS: OK, changed in rev 08 >=20 > Did you check all the other references too? (I=E2=80=99m trying to = save having to do another roundtrip when I do the shepherd writeup...) >=20 >=20 >> All of the =E2=80=9Cimport=E2=80=9D statements in the YANG module are = missing a >>=20 >> =E2=80=9Creference=E2=80=9D statement. >>=20 >> BALAZS: >>=20 >> Added: >>=20 >> rfc6991 for types added. >>=20 >> Already present: >>=20 >> rfc8342 for datastores >>=20 >> ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext for ietf-yang-structure-ext >=20 > Again, all the =E2=80=9Cimport=E2=80=9D statements in the YANG module = are missing a =E2=80=9Creference=E2=80=9D statement. >=20 >=20 >> Please add a paragraph to Section 5.2 preceding the YANG module >>=20 >> indicating all the aforementioned Normative references. >>=20 >> BALAZS: OK, I did it, but >>=20 >> this is not what is required by = https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8407#section-3.9. >>=20 >> I also see no value in this statement. >=20 > I the "reference=E2=80=9D statements mentioned above had been added, = then s3.9 applies. >=20 >=20 >> The copyright in the YANG module needs to be 2020 (not 2019) >>=20 >> BALAZS: OK >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Please ensure a blank line between paragraphs in the =E2=80=9Cdescripti= on" >>=20 >> statements. >>=20 >> BALAZS: OK >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Please add a statement to the Introduction regarding why the module >>=20 >> Isn=E2=80=99t compliant with NMDA. >>=20 >> BALAZS: Sorry, don=E2=80=99t understand. Why is this not compliant = with NMDA ? >>=20 >> IMHO it is NMDA compliant, or rather it has nothing to do with NDMA. >=20 > Either way but, per https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8407#section-3.5, = the=20 > statement should be in the Introduction section. >=20 >=20 >> The tree diagram does not adhere to the syntax described in=20 >>=20 >> draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext. =20 >>=20 >> BALAZS: OK I try, but what actually is the problem? Any help would be = really appreciated. >=20 > I was looking at the =E2=80=9C+=E2=80=94rw=E2=80=9D, which can=E2=80=99t= be right because yang-data is not =E2=80=9Cconfiguration=E2=80=9D... >=20 >=20 >> Sadly >>=20 >> pyang -p ../ietfYams ietf-yang-instance-data\@2020-03-06.yang -f tree = --tree-print-yang-data --tree-print-yang-data >>=20 >> doesn=E2=80=99t print out anything, so I am handcrafting. >=20 > `pyang` supports the old/RFC8040 =E2=80=9Crc:yang-data=E2=80=9D = statement; it hasn=E2=80=99t been updated to support the new = "sx:structure=E2=80=9D statement. >=20 >=20 >> I just updated pyang from git. Any idea why this doesn=E2=80=99t work = for me? >>=20 >> It would be good if YangValidator would print out the tree. At some = point it did. Not now. :-( >=20 > First, use the s/sx:structure/container/ trick mentioned above. >=20 > Then s/+--rw/+=E2=80=94/. >=20 > Then review = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext-05#section-3 = and tweak accordingly until all is good. >=20 >=20 >> Please update the first sentence in Section 5.1 to also reference = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext. >>=20 >> BALZS: OK >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Please ensure that the planning-text version of the draft passes >>=20 >> IDNITS (https://www6.ietf.org/tools/idnits) at the =E2=80=9Cverbose = output=E2=80=9D >>=20 >> level and correct any issues found, or explain why they shouldn=E2=80=99= t >>=20 >> be corrected. >>=20 >> BALAZS: OK, corrected >=20 > Thanks! (this is almost always the cause for needing another draft = update when doing the shepherd writeup) >=20 >=20 >=20 > NEW: looking at the new "format-version=E2=80=9D, please add a pattern = statement to constrain the string values appropriately. 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While I understand the issue that when a day starts/ends is uncertain without the timezone, in real life people practically never add the timezone to a date, and it does not cause major problems. So IMHO following life we should have a simple-date datatype that does not include any timezone. Actually we do have that datatype just we called it revision-identifier. Really strange. I would also consider to tighten up the pattern for revision-identifier/date/date-and-time. pattern '\d{4}-(1[0-2]|0[1-9])-(0[1-9]|[1|2][0-9]|3[0-1])'; This would prohibit 2020-16-67 : months > 12 or days > 31 Regards Balazs -- Balazs Lengyel Senior Specialist Ericsson Hungary Ltd. Mobile: +36-70-330-7909 email: Balazs.Lengyel@ericsson.com ------=_NextPart_001_0032_01D5FDEA.2525DA70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

This might = have been discussed earlier, but I still find it strange that the =

=A0=A0=A0typedef = date {

has the timezone as a = mandatory part. While I understand the issue that when a day starts/ends = is uncertain without the timezone, in real life people practically never = add the timezone to a date, and it does not cause major problems. So = IMHO following life we should have a simple-date datatype that =A0does = not include any timezone. Actually we do have that datatype just we = called it revision-identifier. Really strange.

 

I would also = consider to tighten up the pattern for = revision-identifier/date/date-and-time.

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 pattern = '\d{4}-(1[0-2]|0[1-9])-(0[1-9]|[1|2][0-9]|3[0-1])';

This would prohibit =A02020-16-67 : months > 12 or = days > 31

Regards = Balazs

 

 

-- =

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19 Mar 2020 12:08:55 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01D5FDEF.86656260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Original Message----- From: Kent Watsen =20 Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 18., szerda 21:07 To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-06 to -07 One more thing, for non-mandatory nodes that don=E2=80=99t have a = default value specified, please ensure the =E2=80=9Cdescription=E2=80=9D = statement states what it means for the node to be set or not set = (whichever is easier)? 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(Postfix) with ESMTP id EE45A3A26CF; Thu, 19 Mar 2020 06:37:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netmod@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.121.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netmod@ietf.org Message-ID: <158462504388.15824.18106357534844392876@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 06:37:23 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-solutions-00.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:37:25 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Versioning Solution Overview Author : Robert Wilton Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-yang-solutions-00.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2020-03-17 Abstract: This document gives an overview of the different documents that comprise a full solution to the YANG versioning requirements document. The purpose of this document is to help readers understand how the discrete parts of the YANG versioning solution fit together during working group development of the solution documents. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-solutions/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-solutions-00 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-solutions-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Mar 19 06:37:39 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29EA43A29AA; Thu, 19 Mar 2020 06:37:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netmod@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.121.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netmod@ietf.org Message-ID: <158462504808.15788.15287174703866370289@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 06:37:28 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-dsdl-00.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:37:30 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. Title : Representing Netconf Data Models using Document Schema Definition Languages (DSDL) Authors : Rohan Mahy Sharon Chisholm Ladislav Lhotka Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-dsdl-00.txt Pages : 72 Date : 2008-07-07 Abstract: This document describes a concrete approach for representing Netconf and other IETF data models using the RelaxNG schema language and the Schematron validation language, which are both part of ISO's Document Schema Definition Languages (DSDL) standard. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-dsdl/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-dsdl-00 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-dsdl-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Mar 19 06:46:30 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 934CD3A294E for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2020 06:46:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.362 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.362 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.463, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4071nJpbKIRH for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2020 06:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy9-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy9-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.20.122]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F21D23A29EA for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2020 06:46:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmgw11.unifiedlayer.com (unknown [10.9.0.11]) by gproxy9.mail.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B0691E0A1A for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2020 07:46:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id EvUvjOX0dVKjoEvUvjwU80; Thu, 19 Mar 2020 07:46:09 -0600 X-Authority-Reason: nr=8 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=eMk9ckh1 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:17 a=dLZJa+xiwSxG16/P+YVxDGlgEgI=:19 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10:nop_ipv6 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10:nop_charset_1 a=SS2py6AdgQ4A:10:nop_rcvd_month_year a=Vy_oeq2dmq0A:10:endurance_base64_authed_username_1 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=dd4s52KkF2QyjfdGlL0A:9 a=Frrt64Htg4nQRxgL:21 a=M-w6MbtnMi-ei908:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10:nop_charset_2 a=w1C3t2QeGrPiZgrLijVG:22 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Jd9c/GuqenQ3vS5eI3yC1VwAtFTJxyR6BGlnYRgkDbI=; b=ZQ5yFkq/aNDIQNCTWKF/i3ivWv krkdUlAjSGakvzXiSv6LIiG8AxMz/2E6adkKJSoskEiBIcm0o0tccDj8/EcZpCeVzpiYqWjdwTOnJ DulkdwLTIlXL3R6tKJHXT8DEa; Received: from [127.0.0.1] (port=23757 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jEvUv-001YXv-4H; Thu, 19 Mar 2020 07:46:09 -0600 To: netmod@ietf.org, internet-drafts@ietf.org, i-d-announce@ietf.org, draft-ietf-netmod-dsdl@ietf.org References: <158462504808.15788.15287174703866370289@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Lou Berger Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 09:45:53 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <158462504808.15788.15287174703866370289@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-Source-L: Yes X-Exim-ID: 1jEvUv-001YXv-4H X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([IPv6:::1]) [127.0.0.1]:23757 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 4 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-dsdl-00.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:46:28 -0000 Just an FYI - in trying to move this document out of the WG approval list to Dead WG document, this version got published.  I have moved it now to Dead WG Document state.  There may have been a better way to do this datatracker, but I clearly missed it.  My apologies if this causes any confusion. Lou (NetMod Co-Chair) On 3/19/2020 9:37 AM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. > > Title : Representing Netconf Data Models using Document Schema Definition Languages (DSDL) > Authors : Rohan Mahy > Sharon Chisholm > Ladislav Lhotka > Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-dsdl-00.txt > Pages : 72 > Date : 2008-07-07 > > Abstract: > This document describes a concrete approach for representing Netconf > and other IETF data models using the RelaxNG schema language and the > Schematron validation language, which are both part of ISO's Document > Schema Definition Languages (DSDL) standard. > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-dsdl/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-dsdl-00 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-dsdl-00 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > From nobody Fri Mar 20 09:43:37 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 455353A0CC1; Fri, 20 Mar 2020 09:43:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netmod@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.121.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netmod@ietf.org Message-ID: <158472259816.13479.36015838360850351@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 09:43:18 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-10.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 16:43:31 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Instance Data File Format Authors : Balazs Lengyel Benoit Claise Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-10.txt Pages : 27 Date : 2020-03-20 Abstract: There is a need to document data defined in YANG models when a live server is not available. Data is often needed already at design or implementation time or needed by groups that do not have a live running server available. This document specifies a standard file format for YANG instance data, which follows the syntax and semantics of existing YANG models, and annotates it with metadata. 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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Kent, Thanks for the comments. Updated all in -10 version. See below as = BALAZS2. (XML2RFC at this point does not yet accept = netmod-yang-module-versioning. That needs to be changed later.) Regards Balazs -----Original Message----- From: Kent Watsen =20 Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 18., szerda 3:58 To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-06 to -07 > Have the examples in the draft validated against the YANG module? >=20 > BALAZS: Only manually. How do you validate samples conforming to a = yang data structure ? Hmmm, seeing that the examples are still not valid, here goes: Until such time as tools support validating structure-data-ext,=20 one can rewrite the YANG module via s/sx:structure/container/=20 and perform the validation against the resulting YANG module. BALAZS2: Validated with yanglint > Please review the Normative/Informative status of the references. >=20 > Not looking carefully, but RFCs 2119 and 8174 should be Normative, >=20 > and I think RFCs 3688 and 6020 should be Informative, right? >=20 > BALAZS: OK, changed in rev 08 Did you check all the other references too? (I=E2=80=99m trying to save = having to do another roundtrip when I do the shepherd writeup...) BALAZS2: I believe yes. Do you see any other problem ? > All of the =E2=80=9Cimport=E2=80=9D statements in the YANG module are = missing a > =E2=80=9Creference=E2=80=9D statement. > BALAZS: > Added: > rfc6991 for types added. > Already present: > rfc8342 for datastores > ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext for ietf-yang-structure-ext Again, all the =E2=80=9Cimport=E2=80=9D statements in the YANG module = are missing a =E2=80=9Creference=E2=80=9D statement. BALAZS2: OK. Sorry I misunderstood the comment earlier it. Corrected.=20 >=20 > Please add a statement to the Introduction regarding why the module > Isn=E2=80=99t compliant with NMDA. > BALAZS: Sorry, don=E2=80=99t understand. Why is this not compliant = with NMDA ? > IMHO it is NMDA compliant, or rather it has nothing to do with NDMA. Either way but, per https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8407#section-3.5, the = statement should be in the Introduction section. BALAZS2: Done > The tree diagram does not adhere to the syntax described in=20 > draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext. =20 > BALAZS: OK I try, but what actually is the problem? Any help would be = really appreciated. I was looking at the =E2=80=9C+=E2=80=94rw=E2=80=9D, which can=E2=80=99t = be right because yang-data is not =E2=80=9Cconfiguration=E2=80=9D... > Sadly > pyang -p ../ietfYams ietf-yang-instance-data\@2020-03-06.yang -f tree = --tree-print-yang-data --tree-print-yang-data > doesn=E2=80=99t print out anything, so I am handcrafting. `pyang` supports the old/RFC8040 =E2=80=9Crc:yang-data=E2=80=9D = statement; it hasn=E2=80=99t been updated to support the new = "sx:structure=E2=80=9D statement. BALAZS2: Done, after adding a top level container (which is not needed = in structure) and some copy-paste+editing. > I just updated pyang from git. Any idea why this doesn=E2=80=99t work = for me? > It would be good if YangValidator would print out the tree. At some = point it did. Not now. :-( First, use the s/sx:structure/container/ trick mentioned above. Then s/+--rw/+=E2=80=94/. Then review = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext-05#section-3 = and tweak accordingly until all is good. BALAZS2: Done, I hope NEW: looking at the new "format-version=E2=80=9D, please add a pattern = statement to constrain the string values appropriately. Hint, = it=E2=80=99s half a "date-and-time=E2=80=9D type... 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Hello,

Is it = allowed/recommended to use <CODE BEGINS> <CODE ENDS> around = examples. In my case it would be examples of XML and JSON instance data. = I would find it rather useful.

 

As a second = step if someone could combine rfcstrip with artwork-unfolding that would = be even better.

Regards = Balazs

 

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X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 23:01:09 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_BBD44851-260B-4912-B0C2-A970327CBF94 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Balazs, As I understand it, the blocks are not = appropriate for examples.=20 Examples are easily extracted from XML via `xmllint` with the = =E2=80=9C=E2=80=94xpath=E2=80=9D parameter, after which the `rfcfold` = script can be run. Strongly recommend setting the =E2=80=9Cname=E2=80=9D = attribute on the or element in the XML draft. = It=E2=80=99s good to see that you want to do it this way, as I noticed = you hand-folded the examples and I=E2=80=99m pretty sure I spotted what = looked like might result in an undesirable unfolding artifact... FWIW, https://pypi.org/project/xiax attempts to do all this, but I = suspended that effort getting distracted with other things... Kent // contributor > On Mar 20, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = wrote: >=20 > Hello, > Is it allowed/recommended to use around = examples. In my case it would be examples of XML and JSON instance data. = I would find it rather useful. > =20 > As a second step if someone could combine rfcstrip with = artwork-unfolding that would be even better. > Regards Balazs > =20 > --=20 > Balazs Lengyel Senior Specialist = Ericsson Hungary Ltd.=20 > Mobile: +36-70-330-7909 email: = Balazs.Lengyel@ericsson.com > =20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod = --Apple-Mail=_BBD44851-260B-4912-B0C2-A970327CBF94 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi = Balazs,

As I = understand it, the <CODE BEGIN> <CODE END> blocks are not = appropriate for examples. 

Examples are easily extracted from XML via `xmllint` with the = =E2=80=9C=E2=80=94xpath=E2=80=9D parameter, after which the `rfcfold` = script can be run.  Strongly recommend setting the =E2=80=9Cname=E2=80= =9D attribute on the <sourcecode> or <artwork> element in = the XML draft.  It=E2=80=99s good to see that you want to do it = this way, as I noticed you hand-folded the examples and I=E2=80=99m = pretty sure I spotted what looked like might result in an undesirable = unfolding artifact...

FWIW, https://pypi.org/project/xiax attempts to do all this, = but I suspended that effort getting distracted with other = things...

Kent = // contributor



On Mar 20, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Bal=C3=A1zs = Lengyel <balazs.lengyel=3D40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> = wrote:

Hello,
Is it = allowed/recommended to use <CODE BEGINS> <CODE ENDS> around = examples. In my case it would be examples of XML and JSON instance data. = I would find it rather useful.
 
As a second step if someone could = combine rfcstrip with artwork-unfolding that would be even better.
Regards = Balazs
 
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Balazs = Lengyel           &= nbsp;        Senior = Specialist          &nbs= p;            = Ericsson Hungary Ltd. 
Mobile: = +36-70-330-7909          = ;    email: Balazs.Lengyel@ericsson.com
 
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X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 14:56:54 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_00CF_01D5FF99.513BF260 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00D0_01D5FF99.513BF260" ------=_NextPart_001_00D0_01D5FF99.513BF260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Kent, First is very handy and easier to use then = xmllint. Also some people (not me) are writing RFCs without XML. SO if it = acceptable to you, the RFC editor to whoever I will use for = the examples. Is that acceptable? =20 Folding: Rfcfold folds the line at a fixed 69 character length. This produces = some not so nice results: Rfcfold: Manual folding: The manual folding can keep a nice tabulation and fold the line at a = word or element boundary. I know such editorial niceties are very hard = to program in a script; but this is one reason to do manual folding. =20 I used rfcfold to unfold the acme-router-modules example and I = don=E2=80=99t notice anything strange. Regards Balazs =20 From: Kent Watsen =20 Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 21., szombat 0:01 To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] CODE BEGINS ENDS for examples ? =20 Hi Balazs, =20 As I understand it, the blocks are not = appropriate for examples.=20 =20 Examples are easily extracted from XML via `xmllint` with the = =E2=80=9C=E2=80=94xpath=E2=80=9D parameter, after which the `rfcfold` = script can be run. Strongly recommend setting the = =E2=80=9Cname=E2=80=9D attribute on the or = element in the XML draft. It=E2=80=99s good to see that you want to do = it this way, as I noticed you hand-folded the examples and I=E2=80=99m = pretty sure I spotted what looked like might result in an undesirable = unfolding artifact... =20 FWIW, https://pypi.org/project/xiax attempts to do all this, but I = suspended that effort getting distracted with other things... =20 Kent // contributor =20 =20 On Mar 20, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = > wrote: =20 Hello, Is it allowed/recommended to use around = examples. In my case it would be examples of XML and JSON instance data. = I would find it rather useful. =20 As a second step if someone could combine rfcstrip with = artwork-unfolding that would be even better. Regards Balazs =20 --=20 Balazs Lengyel Senior Specialist = Ericsson Hungary Ltd.=20 Mobile: +36-70-330-7909 email: = Balazs.Lengyel@ericsson.com =20 _______________________________________________ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod =20 ------=_NextPart_001_00D0_01D5FF99.513BF260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello = Kent,

First <CODE BEGIN> = <CODE END> is very handy and easier to use then = xmllint.

Also some people (not me) = are writing RFCs without XML. SO if it acceptable to you, the RFC editor = to whoever I will use <CODE...> for the examples. Is that = acceptable?

 

Folding:

Rfcfold = folds the line at a fixed 69 character length. This produces some not so = nice results:

Rfcfold:

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = <inline-schema>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = <modules-state = xmlns=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-yang-li\=

brary">

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = <module>

Manual = folding:

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = <inline-schema>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = <modules-state \

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0xmlns=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-yang-lib= rary">

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = <module>

The manual = folding can keep a nice tabulation and fold the line at a word or = element boundary. I know such editorial niceties are very hard to = program in a script; but this is one reason to do manual = folding.

 

I used rfcfold to unfold the acme-router-modules = example and I don=E2=80=99t notice anything strange.

Regards Balazs

 

From: Kent Watsen = <kent@watsen.net>
Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 21., szombat = 0:01
To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>
Cc: = netmod@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [netmod] CODE BEGINS ENDS for = examples ?

 

Hi = Balazs,

 

As I understand it, the <CODE BEGIN> <CODE = END> blocks are not appropriate for = examples. 

 

Examples are easily extracted from XML via `xmllint` = with the =E2=80=9C=E2=80=94xpath=E2=80=9D parameter, after which the = `rfcfold` script can be run.  Strongly recommend setting the = =E2=80=9Cname=E2=80=9D attribute on the <sourcecode> or = <artwork> element in the XML draft.  It=E2=80=99s good to see = that you want to do it this way, as I noticed you hand-folded the = examples and I=E2=80=99m pretty sure I spotted what looked like might = result in an undesirable unfolding = artifact...

 

FWIW, https://pypi.org/project/xiax = attempts to do all this, but I suspended that effort getting distracted = with other things...

 

Kent // contributor

 

 



On Mar 20, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = <balazs.len= gyel=3D40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> = wrote:

 

Hello,

Is it allowed/recommended to use <CODE BEGINS> = <CODE ENDS> around examples. In my case it would be examples of = XML and JSON instance data. I would find it rather = useful.

 

As a second step if someone could combine rfcstrip = with artwork-unfolding that would be even = better.

Regards = Balazs

 

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Balazs = Lengyel           =          Senior = Specialist          &nb= sp;            = Ericsson Hungary Ltd. 

Mobile: = +36-70-330-7909         &nbs= p;    email: Balazs.Lengyel@ericsson.com=

 

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X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Id: f78e973e-5c0b-4ab8-bbd7-9887c95a8ebd X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-MailboxType: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-UserPrincipalName: 7QbvW4hCNQ9TPKevUlORZ0M22xwIUqyxl5iZ4fT7BkutCzh8VdpffkOSLyu9T2B36zNiYsnKX28/NsbvBXTxS0rnMfDRN2lcxq9uufCDOp4= X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DB6P190MB0005 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Simple date in 6991bis-02 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 21:12:37 -0000 On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:30:17AM +0000, Balzs Lengyel wrote: > Hello, > > This might have been discussed earlier, but I still find it strange that the > > > typedef date { > > has the timezone as a mandatory part. While I understand the issue that when > a day starts/ends is uncertain without the timezone, in real life people > practically never add the timezone to a date, and it does not cause major > problems. So IMHO following life we should have a simple-date datatype that > does not include any timezone. Actually we do have that datatype just we > called it revision-identifier. Really strange. > I checked RFC 3339 again and it defines full-date without a timezone. On the other hand, XML schema's definition of date seems to have an optional timezone offset. I think following XML schema by making the timezone offset optional is the right approach. It might also be usefult to define time as a typedef. RFC 3339 defines full-time with a mandatory timezone while XML schema defines time with optional timezone. Again, I would follow XML schema here, making the timezone offset optional for the time type as well. > I would also consider to tighten up the pattern for > revision-identifier/date/date-and-time. > > pattern '\d{4}-(1[0-2]|0[1-9])-(0[1-9]|[1|2][0-9]|3[0-1])'; > > This would prohibit 2020-16-67 : months > 12 or days > 31 If we tighten the pattern, we should do this for date, date-and-time, and revision. And then we should also tighten the revision offset, which currently is \d{2}:\d{2}. And here things get interesting again. RFC 3339 restricts the offset to 00-23 (hour) and 00-59 (minute). XML schema says the hour is in 00-14 and the minute in 00-59. The spec says: Based on timezones currently in use, (c) could vary from 2000-01-20T12:00:00+12:00 to 2000-01-20T12:00:00-13:00. It is, however, possible for this range to expand or contract in the future, based on local laws. Because of this, the following definition uses a somewhat broader range of indeterminate values: +14:00..-14:00. Perhaps we should follow that approach. This would mean we have: typedef date { type string { pattern '\d{4}-(1[0-2]|0[1-9])-(0[1-9]|[1|2][0-9]|3[0-1])'; + '(Z|[\+\-]((1[0-3]|0[0-9]):([0-5][0-9])|14:00))?'; } } Looking at the description and RFC 3339 again, I noticed a real problem or bug in our definition: RFC 6991 says: [...] The canonical format for date values with an unknown time zone (usually referring to the notion of local time) uses the time-offset -00:00. This is not consistent with what RFC 3339 says in section 4.3: If the time in UTC is known, but the offset to local time is unknown, this can be represented with an offset of "-00:00". RFC 3339 seems to be silent about the situation where neither the offset to UTC is unknown and I strongly dislike that the two specs differ in the definition of the -00:00 semantics. I would call this a bug and fix it but then others may claim this is an non-backwards compatible change... /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Mon Mar 23 00:42:49 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 263B93A088D for ; Mon, 23 Mar 2020 00:42:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nic.cz Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0uX3L-suQepE for ; Mon, 23 Mar 2020 00:42:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.nic.cz (mail.nic.cz [IPv6:2001:1488:800:400::400]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1299C3A0885 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 2020 00:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from birdie (unknown [IPv6:2001:1488:fffe:6:a88f:7eff:fed2:45f8]) by mail.nic.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 980E6143172; Mon, 23 Mar 2020 08:42:26 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nic.cz; s=default; t=1584949346; bh=6MKZY4U/IQD8qqKyCc5xjeJApV64xE9pWy2hxzVjBGI=; h=From:To:Date; b=XfuMX8bS3G+e5I6X5WS6j2ig31Ms0W1DAhaps/TA5NMxiKDQ9raWJ0fbIVxl3gYGQ nzhWpb0MxeurMOHskfk/Oox0I23IE1+DnrdonZKQswhIsFPt+W1Tm9mE2H6sWB+teN wcgMIjdoeXZY7C2a/qHPDonZaoR/f2mLdPLnajYY= Message-ID: <041486ccaf132be0d8dda2da55b94a67d49d3c07.camel@nic.cz> From: Ladislav Lhotka To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bal=E1zs?= Lengyel , Kent Watsen Cc: "netmod@ietf.org" Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 08:42:26 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <01000170fa2db5c9-960b7cf9-6e75-4cb4-a974-93703b852ab7-000000@email.amazonses.com> Organization: CZ.NIC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.36.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.101.4 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] CODE BEGINS ENDS for examples ? X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:42:49 -0000 On Sat, 2020-03-21 at 14:56 +0000, Balázs Lengyel wrote: > Hello Kent, > First is very handy and easier to use then xmllint. > Also some people (not me) are writing RFCs without XML. SO if it acceptable to > you, the RFC editor to whoever I will use for the examples. Is that > acceptable? Note that according to Legal Provisions Relating to IETF Documents [1], the ... tags demarcate "Code Components", so the license provisions specified in that document apply. Lada [1] https://trustee.ietf.org/license-info/IETF-TLP-5.htm > > Folding: > Rfcfold folds the line at a fixed 69 character length. This produces some not > so nice results: > Rfcfold: > > > > Manual folding: > > xmlns="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-yang-library"> > > The manual folding can keep a nice tabulation and fold the line at a word or > element boundary. I know such editorial niceties are very hard to program in a > script; but this is one reason to do manual folding. > > I used rfcfold to unfold the acme-router-modules example and I don’t notice > anything strange. > Regards Balazs > > From: Kent Watsen > Sent: 2020. március 21., szombat 0:01 > To: Balázs Lengyel > Cc: netmod@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netmod] CODE BEGINS ENDS for examples ? > > Hi Balazs, > > As I understand it, the blocks are not appropriate for > examples. > > Examples are easily extracted from XML via `xmllint` with the “—xpath” > parameter, after which the `rfcfold` script can be run. Strongly recommend > setting the “name” attribute on the or element in the > XML draft. It’s good to see that you want to do it this way, as I noticed you > hand-folded the examples and I’m pretty sure I spotted what looked like might > result in an undesirable unfolding artifact... > > FWIW, https://pypi.org/project/xiax attempts to do all this, but I suspended > that effort getting distracted with other things... > > Kent // contributor > > > > > > On Mar 20, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Balázs Lengyel < > > balazs.lengyel=40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > Is it allowed/recommended to use around examples. > > In my case it would be examples of XML and JSON instance data. I would find > > it rather useful. > > > > As a second step if someone could combine rfcstrip with artwork-unfolding > > that would be even better. > > Regards Balazs > > > > -- > > Balazs Lengyel Senior Specialist > > Ericsson Hungary Ltd. > > Mobile: +36-70-330-7909 email: Balazs.Lengyel@ericsson.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > netmod mailing list > > netmod@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod -- Ladislav Lhotka Head, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 From nobody Mon Mar 23 01:07:16 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE7163A08B5 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 2020 01:07:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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I am happy with the answers. Balazs -----Original Message----- From: Juergen Schoenwaelder =20 Sent: 2020. m=E1rcius 22., vas=E1rnap 22:12 To: Bal=E1zs Lengyel Cc: 'netmod@ietf.org' Subject: Re: [netmod] Simple date in 6991bis-02 On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:30:17AM +0000, Bal=E1zs Lengyel wrote: > Hello, >=20 > This might have been discussed earlier, but I still find it strange=20 > that the >=20 >=20 > typedef date { >=20 > has the timezone as a mandatory part. While I understand the issue=20 > that when a day starts/ends is uncertain without the timezone, in real = > life people practically never add the timezone to a date, and it does=20 > not cause major problems. So IMHO following life we should have a=20 > simple-date datatype that does not include any timezone. Actually we=20 > do have that datatype just we called it revision-identifier. Really strange. > I checked RFC 3339 again and it defines full-date without a timezone. On the other hand, XML schema's definition of date seems to have an = optional timezone offset. I think following XML schema by making the timezone = offset optional is the right approach. It might also be usefult to define time as a typedef. RFC 3339 defines full-time with a mandatory timezone while XML schema defines time with optional timezone. Again, I would follow XML schema here, making the timezone offset optional for the time type as well. > I would also consider to tighten up the pattern for=20 > revision-identifier/date/date-and-time. >=20 > pattern '\d{4}-(1[0-2]|0[1-9])-(0[1-9]|[1|2][0-9]|3[0-1])'; >=20 > This would prohibit 2020-16-67 : months > 12 or days > 31 If we tighten the pattern, we should do this for date, date-and-time, = and revision. And then we should also tighten the revision offset, which currently is \d{2}:\d{2}. And here things get interesting again. RFC 3339 restricts the offset to 00-23 (hour) and 00-59 (minute). XML = schema says the hour is in 00-14 and the minute in 00-59. The spec says: Based on timezones currently in use, (c) could vary from 2000-01-20T12:00:00+12:00 to 2000-01-20T12:00:00-13:00. It is, however, possible for this range to expand or contract in the future, based on local laws. Because of this, the following definition uses a somewhat broader range of indeterminate values: +14:00..-14:00. Perhaps we should follow that approach. This would mean we have: typedef date { type string { pattern '\d{4}-(1[0-2]|0[1-9])-(0[1-9]|[1|2][0-9]|3[0-1])'; + '(Z|[\+\-]((1[0-3]|0[0-9]):([0-5][0-9])|14:00))?'; } } Looking at the description and RFC 3339 again, I noticed a real problem = or bug in our definition: RFC 6991 says: [...] The canonical format for date values with an unknown time zone (usually referring to the notion of local time) uses the time-offset -00:00. This is not consistent with what RFC 3339 says in section 4.3: If the time in UTC is known, but the offset to local time is unknown, this can be represented with an offset of "-00:00". RFC 3339 seems to be silent about the situation where neither the offset = to UTC is unknown and I strongly dislike that the two specs differ in the definition of the -00:00 semantics. 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MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------DF9CAF88F553AAE473F583B4" Content-Language: en-US X-Authenticated-User: bclaise X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 10.55.221.38, ams-bclaise-nitro5.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: aer-core-3.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] CODE BEGINS ENDS for examples ? X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 15:54:36 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------DF9CAF88F553AAE473F583B4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Balzs, https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8407 3.2.1 . Example Module Example modules are not code components. The convention MUST NOT be used for example modules. Regards, Benoit > Hello, > > Is it allowed/recommended to use around > examples. In my case it would be examples of XML and JSON instance > data. I would find it rather useful. > > As a second step if someone could combine rfcstrip with > artwork-unfolding that would be even better. > > Regards Balazs > > -- > > Balazs Lengyel Senior > Specialist Ericsson Hungary Ltd. > > Mobile: +36-70-330-7909 email: Balazs.Lengyel@ericsson.com > > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod --------------DF9CAF88F553AAE473F583B4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi Balzs,

https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8407
3.2.1.  Example Module


   Example modules are not code components.  The <CODE BEGINS>
   convention MUST NOT be used for example modules.

Regards, Benoit

Hello,

Is it allowed/recommended to use <CODE BEGINS> <CODE ENDS> around examples. In my case it would be examples of XML and JSON instance data. I would find it rather useful.

As a second step if someone could combine rfcstrip with artwork-unfolding that would be even better.

Regards Balazs

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--------------DF9CAF88F553AAE473F583B4-- From nobody Mon Mar 23 13:09:28 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC0003A0E66; Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:08:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Mahesh Jethanandani via Datatracker To: Cc: netmod@ietf.org, last-call@ietf.org, draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location.all@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.122.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <158499413664.2041.2325993476751382216@ietfa.amsl.com> Reply-To: Mahesh Jethanandani Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:08:56 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] Yangdoctors last call review of draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-04 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 20:09:18 -0000 Reviewer: Mahesh Jethanandani Review result: Ready with Nits I am not an expert in geo location. If my understanding of the geo location model is incorrect, feel free to educate me and everyone else. This review is looking at the draft from a YANG perspective. With that said, I have marked it as Ready with Nits, because of some of the points discussed below. Summary: This document defines a YANG data model for a generic geographical location. It is a short document and it is well written and easy to read. Nits Section 5.1.3 s/mapped using the using the/mapped using the/ Comments: Section 3 - Please add references for models that are imported, both in the model and in the document. For example, in the draft before the YANG model you should have something like. This model imports Common YANG Data Types [RFC6991]. And in the model itself OLD: import ietf-yang-types { prefix types; } NEW: import ietf-yang-types { prefix types; reference "RFC 6991: Common YANG Data Types."; } The choice of decimal64 with different fractional values must have been discussed in the WG. However, as the author has noted several times in the model, that it was chosen over double or strings, even as it left the model with loss of precision during any conversion to and from e.g. the URI defined by RFC 5870. It would be worthwhile capturing the reason for the choice, e.g. the language does not have a built-in type for double, or for not using a string?? A pyang compilation of the model with —ietf and —lint option was clean. The example also validated against ietf-geo-location and example YANG model. A idnits run of the draft reveals a few issues. Cannot say all of them are valid errors, so ignore them as necessary. Checking nits according to https://www.ietf.org/id-info/checklist : ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** There is 1 instance of too long lines in the document, the longest one being 1 character in excess of 72. 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X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 15:33:52 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_02F4_01D601F9.FB5BCBF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, A reply from the rfc-editor on . It seems it is OK. Regards Balazs -----Original Message----- From: Alice Russo =20 Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 24., kedd 16:00 To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel Cc: RFC Editor Subject: Re: Where can I use ? Greetings, Please see below. > On Mar 21, 2020, at 8:30 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = wrote: >=20 > Hello, > Sorry if I am sending this question to the wrong person.=20 > We have a discussion in the NETMOD workgroup about when is it = appropriate/allowed to use the markings in = drafts and RFCs. > We regularly use it to bracket the YANG modules defined.=20 > e.g. file "ietf-yang-instance-data@2020-03-19.yang"=20 >=20 Just FYI, if you are using the new XML vocabulary [1], the markers can = be created automatically by using markers=3D"true" -- for example -- > However is it allowed to use it to bracket XML or json examples in = drafts/rfcs?=20 > e.g. file read-only-acm-rules@2020-03-19.xml Yes, it is allowed. The markers and are = mentioned in the Trust Legal Provisions [2]. [1] https://www.rfc-editor.org/materials/FAQ-xml2rfcv3.html [2] https://trustee.ietf.org/license-info/IETF-TLP-5.htm (item 4d) Thank you. RFC Editor/ar >=20 > It is very handy that the rfcstrip tool can extract the CODE sections = from a draft which facilitates checking these by external tools like = yanglint. The checking is needed both for the YANG modules and the = examples. > If you as an rfc-editor could give guidance on the issue it would be = appreciated. 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quoted-printable Message-ID: <0100017112b9fbb5-e808f29f-e38a-4ff4-bd61-ac93b02057a3-000000@email.amazonses.com> References: To: =?utf-8?Q?Bal=C3=A1zs_Lengyel?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.03.25-54.240.48.94 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Where can I use ? X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 17:25:25 -0000 Balazs, While possible to use the markers for instance examples... - they=E2=80=99ve never been used before, AFIAK (historical context) - they're unneeded, as examples don=E2=80=99t contain copyright (per = Lada=E2=80=99s comment) - they're disallowed by RFC 8407 for example modules (per Benoit = comment) - as a contributor, I don=E2=80=99t wish to birth a new convention of = using the markers for examples. =20 In order to support programmatic extraction of examples from drafts, = please just set the =E2=80=9Cname=E2=80=9D attribute on the = or element in the XML draft.=20 2.48.2. "name" Attribute A filename suitable for the contents (such as for extraction to a local file). This attribute can be helpful for other kinds of tools (such as automated syntax checkers, which work by extracting the source code). Note that the "name" attribute does not need to be unique for elements in a document. If multiple elements have the same "name" attribute, a formatter might assume that the elements are all fragments of a single file, and such a formatter can collect those fragments for later processing. Kent > On Mar 24, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = wrote: >=20 > Hello, > A reply from the rfc-editor on . It seems it is OK. > Regards Balazs >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Alice Russo =20 > Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 24., kedd 16:00 > To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel > Cc: RFC Editor > Subject: Re: Where can I use ? >=20 > Greetings, >=20 > Please see below. >=20 >> On Mar 21, 2020, at 8:30 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = wrote: >>=20 >> Hello, >> Sorry if I am sending this question to the wrong person.=20 >> We have a discussion in the NETMOD workgroup about when is it = appropriate/allowed to use the markings in = drafts and RFCs. >> We regularly use it to bracket the YANG modules defined.=20 >> e.g. file "ietf-yang-instance-data@2020-03-19.yang"=20= >>=20 >=20 > Just FYI, if you are using the new XML vocabulary [1], the markers can = be created automatically by using markers=3D"true" > -- for example -- > >=20 >> However is it allowed to use it to bracket XML or json examples in = drafts/rfcs?=20 >> e.g. file read-only-acm-rules@2020-03-19.xml >=20 > Yes, it is allowed. The markers and are = mentioned in the Trust Legal Provisions [2]. >=20 > [1] https://www.rfc-editor.org/materials/FAQ-xml2rfcv3.html > [2] https://trustee.ietf.org/license-info/IETF-TLP-5.htm (item 4d) >=20 > Thank you. > RFC Editor/ar >=20 >>=20 >> It is very handy that the rfcstrip tool can extract the CODE sections = from a draft which facilitates checking these by external tools like = yanglint. The checking is needed both for the YANG modules and the = examples. >> If you as an rfc-editor could give guidance on the issue it would be = appreciated. I attached a planned draft. >> Best regards Balazs Lengyel=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Balazs Lengyel Senior Specialist = Ericsson Hungary Ltd.=20 >> Mobile: +36-70-330-7909 email: = Balazs.Lengyel@ericsson.com >>=20 >> > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod From nobody Wed Mar 25 10:52:39 2020 Return-Path: <0100017112d2540e-2a4aff46-a141-47a5-b248-5bf22af8ad5e-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 592B93A0D89 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2020 10:51:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jAKnhcHzAHfb for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2020 10:51:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a48-95.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a48-95.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.48.95]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3EDB3A0DA7 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2020 10:51:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1585158706; h=From:Message-Id:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References:Feedback-ID; bh=GphNqly0SdPsXntkIkHTxlHMKm/KxKUAUFjq2Dxwuj4=; b=HHPMns1ncMN85woJEBonNQe4C1rpy/7JuLQ1CXFkdCvzLhBL83YtL7vCAVtz8ZGi hlpSrTXernueIwKbjuXFNPCYMEPmIxTCYAY+4mMdOTrUPRwtr/uDNORdHInk81sc21W bJ0Ptj8r7awt0Bsd4nZp2adEoZVTiKju/ZPuzP/o= From: Kent Watsen Message-ID: <0100017112d2540e-2a4aff46-a141-47a5-b248-5bf22af8ad5e-000000@email.amazonses.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_719A5C52-A06B-45AB-8C42-19F162104EF5" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 17:51:46 +0000 In-Reply-To: Cc: "netmod@ietf.org" To: =?utf-8?Q?Bal=C3=A1zs_Lengyel?= References: <01000170fa2db5c9-960b7cf9-6e75-4cb4-a974-93703b852ab7-000000@email.amazonses.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.03.25-54.240.48.95 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] CODE BEGINS ENDS for examples ? X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 17:52:00 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_719A5C52-A06B-45AB-8C42-19F162104EF5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Balazs, > Hello Kent, > First is very handy and easier to use then = xmllint. > Also some people (not me) are writing RFCs without XML. SO if it = acceptable to you, the RFC editor to whoever I will use for = the examples. Is that acceptable? Rarely do people need to extract examples from drafts. Those wishing to = copy/paste a snippet will likely do so via the HTML version that has its = own (and better) way of framing examples. Those wishing to = programmatically process/validate the contents of the drafts (e.g., = shepherd, RFC Editor, etc.) prefer working off the source XML. > Folding: > Rfcfold folds the line at a fixed 69 character length. This produces = some not so nice results: > Rfcfold: > > brary"> > > Manual folding: > > xmlns=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-yang-library"> > > The manual folding can keep a nice tabulation and fold the line at a = word or element boundary. I know such editorial niceties are very hard = to program in a script; but this is one reason to do manual folding. Agreed, the artwork-folding draft says this as well. > I used rfcfold to unfold the acme-router-modules example and I don=E2=80= =99t notice anything strange. I remind my comment. I originally thought a couple space characters were = missing (e.g., =E2=80=9Cfoo\=E2=80=9D should be =E2=80=9Cfoo \=E2=80=9D) = but scanning again, I don=E2=80=99t see any issues now. Thanks, Kent > Regards Balazs > =20 > From: Kent Watsen >=20 > Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 21., szombat 0:01 > To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel > > Cc: netmod@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netmod] CODE BEGINS ENDS for examples ? > =20 > Hi Balazs, > =20 > As I understand it, the blocks are not = appropriate for examples.=20 > =20 > Examples are easily extracted from XML via `xmllint` with the = =E2=80=9C=E2=80=94xpath=E2=80=9D parameter, after which the `rfcfold` = script can be run. Strongly recommend setting the =E2=80=9Cname=E2=80=9D = attribute on the or element in the XML draft. = It=E2=80=99s good to see that you want to do it this way, as I noticed = you hand-folded the examples and I=E2=80=99m pretty sure I spotted what = looked like might result in an undesirable unfolding artifact... > =20 > FWIW, https://pypi.org/project/xiax = attempts to do all this, but I suspended that effort getting distracted = with other things... > =20 > Kent // contributor > =20 > =20 >=20 >=20 > On Mar 20, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = > wrote: > =20 > Hello, > Is it allowed/recommended to use around = examples. In my case it would be examples of XML and JSON instance data. = I would find it rather useful. > =20 > As a second step if someone could combine rfcstrip with = artwork-unfolding that would be even better. > Regards Balazs > =20 > --=20 > Balazs Lengyel Senior Specialist = Ericsson Hungary Ltd.=20 > Mobile: +36-70-330-7909 email: = Balazs.Lengyel@ericsson.com > =20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod = > =20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod = --Apple-Mail=_719A5C52-A06B-45AB-8C42-19F162104EF5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Hi Balazs,

Hello Kent,
First = <CODE BEGIN> <CODE END> is very handy and easier to use then = xmllint.
Also some people (not me) are writing RFCs without XML. SO if = it acceptable to you, the RFC editor to whoever I will use = <CODE...> for the examples. Is that = acceptable?

Rarely do people need to extract examples from = drafts.  Those wishing to copy/paste a snippet will likely do so = via the HTML version that has its own (and better) way of framing = examples.  Those wishing to programmatically process/validate the = contents of the drafts (e.g., shepherd, RFC Editor, etc.) prefer working = off the source XML.


Folding:
Rfcfold folds the line at a fixed 69 character length. This = produces some not so nice results:
Rfcfold:
    = <inline-schema>
      = <modules-state xmlns=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-yang-li\
brary">
        <module>
Manual = folding:
    <inline-schema>
      <modules-state \
       =    xmlns=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-yang-library"&= gt;
        <module>
The = manual folding can keep a nice tabulation and fold the line at a word or = element boundary. I know such editorial niceties are very hard to = program in a script; but this is one reason to do manual = folding.

Agreed, = the artwork-folding draft says this as well.


I used rfcfold to unfold the = acme-router-modules example and I don=E2=80=99t notice anything = strange.

I remind = my comment. I originally thought a couple space characters were missing = (e.g., =E2=80=9Cfoo\=E2=80=9D should be =E2=80=9Cfoo \=E2=80=9D) but = scanning again, I don=E2=80=99t see any issues now.


Thanks,
Kent



Regards = Balazs
 
From: Kent Watsen <kent@watsen.net> 
Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 21., = szombat 0:01
To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>
Cc: netmod@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [netmod] CODE BEGINS = ENDS for examples ?
 
Hi Balazs,
 
As I understand it, the <CODE = BEGIN> <CODE END> blocks are not appropriate for = examples. 
 
Examples are easily extracted from XML via `xmllint` with the = =E2=80=9C=E2=80=94xpath=E2=80=9D parameter, after which the `rfcfold` = script can be run.  Strongly recommend setting the =E2=80=9Cname=E2=80= =9D attribute on the <sourcecode> or <artwork> element in = the XML draft.  It=E2=80=99s good to see that you want to do it = this way, as I noticed you hand-folded the examples and I=E2=80=99m = pretty sure I spotted what looked like might result in an undesirable = unfolding artifact...
 
FWIW, https://pypi.org/project/xiax attempts to do all this, = but I suspended that effort getting distracted with other things...
 
Kent // contributor
 
 


On Mar 20, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel=3D40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> = wrote:
 
Hello,
Is it allowed/recommended to use <CODE BEGINS> <CODE = ENDS> around examples. In my case it would be examples of XML and = JSON instance data. I would find it rather useful.
 
As a second step if someone could = combine rfcstrip with artwork-unfolding that would be even better.
Regards Balazs
 
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X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 10:55:17 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01D60365.5F50A830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Kent, OK, as you are strongly opposed to it, I will remove in the next version. That said, I do not really agree with you. If interested see, below. Regards Balazs -----Original Message----- From: netmod On Behalf Of Kent Watsen Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 25., szerda 18:25 To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] Where can I use ? Balazs, While possible to use the markers for instance examples... - they=E2=80=99ve never been used before, AFIAK (historical context) BALAZS: S0 I am a revolutionary :-) =20 As I understand validation of examples have always been an issue, so = making that more simple by automating extraction would be a step in the = good direction. - they're unneeded, as examples don=E2=80=99t contain copyright (per = Lada=E2=80=99s comment) BALAZS: I agree that copyright is a non-issue for these examples. = However is needed for another reason: easy extraction, = which would make checking the data simpler. - they're disallowed by RFC 8407 for example modules (per Benoit = comment) BALAZS: strictly speaking that is about YANG examples not instance data = examples. I also don't know/understand the reasoning behind it. A = separate example tag would be nice, but we don't have one. - as a contributor, I don=E2=80=99t wish to birth a new convention of = using the markers for examples. =20 In order to support programmatic extraction of examples from drafts, = please just set the =E2=80=9Cname=E2=80=9D attribute on the = or element in the XML draft.=20 BALAZS: As far as I understand sourcecode is only available in XML2RFC = v3. Name is not handled by rfcstrip or xym. (I don't have time to = update the tools right now.) It would be nice to have an update to = rfcstrip that checks every and if it has a name attribute, it = extracts the content into a file called "name". 2.48.2. "name" Attribute A filename suitable for the contents (such as for extraction to a local file). This attribute can be helpful for other kinds of tools (such as automated syntax checkers, which work by extracting the source code). Note that the "name" attribute does not need to be unique for elements in a document. If multiple elements have the same "name" attribute, a formatter might assume that the elements are all fragments of a single file, and such a formatter can collect those fragments for later processing. Kent > On Mar 24, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = wrote: >=20 > Hello, > A reply from the rfc-editor on . It seems it is OK. > Regards Balazs >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Alice Russo =20 > Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 24., kedd 16:00 > To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel > Cc: RFC Editor > Subject: Re: Where can I use ? >=20 > Greetings, >=20 > Please see below. >=20 >> On Mar 21, 2020, at 8:30 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = wrote: >>=20 >> Hello, >> Sorry if I am sending this question to the wrong person.=20 >> We have a discussion in the NETMOD workgroup about when is it = appropriate/allowed to use the markings in = drafts and RFCs. >> We regularly use it to bracket the YANG modules defined.=20 >> e.g. file "ietf-yang-instance-data@2020-03-19.yang"=20 >>=20 >=20 > Just FYI, if you are using the new XML vocabulary [1], the markers can = be created automatically by using markers=3D"true" > -- for example -- > >=20 >> However is it allowed to use it to bracket XML or json examples in = drafts/rfcs?=20 >> e.g. file read-only-acm-rules@2020-03-19.xml >=20 > Yes, it is allowed. The markers and are = mentioned in the Trust Legal Provisions [2]. >=20 > [1] = https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=3D50261255-0cacc750-502652ce-861010= bc36ff-8b3716f9fa495535&q=3D1&e=3D11f6fa43-0168-4d1f-8f5d-bffd46fff0d3&u=3D= https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rfc-editor.org%2Fmaterials%2FFAQ-xml2rfcv3.html > [2] https://trustee.ietf.org/license-info/IETF-TLP-5.htm (item 4d) >=20 > Thank you. > RFC Editor/ar >=20 >>=20 >> It is very handy that the rfcstrip tool can extract the CODE sections = from a draft which facilitates checking these by external tools like = yanglint. The checking is needed both for the YANG modules and the = examples. >> If you as an rfc-editor could give guidance on the issue it would be = appreciated. I attached a planned draft. >> Best regards Balazs Lengyel=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Balazs Lengyel Senior Specialist = Ericsson Hungary Ltd.=20 >> Mobile: +36-70-330-7909 email: = Balazs.Lengyel@ericsson.com >>=20 >> > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod _______________________________________________ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01D60365.5F50A830 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIVbjCCAyAw ggIIoAMCAQICAR0wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwOTELMAkGA1UEBhMCRkkxDzANBgNVBAoTBlNvbmVy YTEZMBcGA1UEAxMQU29uZXJhIENsYXNzMiBDQTAeFw0wMTA0MDYwNzI5NDBaFw0yMTA0MDYwNzI5 NDBaMDkxCzAJBgNVBAYTAkZJMQ8wDQYDVQQKEwZTb25lcmExGTAXBgNVBAMTEFNvbmVyYSBDbGFz 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Interim Meeting Request X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 15:51:03 -0000 A new interim meeting request has just been submitted by Lou Berger. This request requires approval by the Area Director of the Operations and Management Area The meeting can be approved here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim/request/interim-2020-netmod-01 --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Network Modeling Area Name: Operations and Management Area Session Requester: Lou Berger Meeting Type: Virtual Meeting Session 1: Date: 2020-04-02 Start Time: 08:00 America/New_York Duration: 02:00 Remote Participation Information: Remote participation information will be obtained at the time of approval Agenda Note: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Thu Mar 26 08:51:12 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43D323A07B5; Thu, 26 Mar 2020 08:50:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: rwilton@cisco.com, netmod@ietf.org, lberger@labn.net, netmod-chairs@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.123.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <158523785225.5132.8363500990975160526@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 08:50:52 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] netmod - New Interim Meeting Request X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 15:51:05 -0000 A new interim meeting request has just been submitted by Lou Berger. This request requires approval by the Area Director of the Operations and Management Area The meeting can be approved here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim/request/interim-2020-netmod-02 --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Network Modeling Area Name: Operations and Management Area Session Requester: Lou Berger Meeting Type: Virtual Meeting Session 1: Date: 2020-04-02 Start Time: 08:00 America/New_York Duration: 02:00 Remote Participation Information: Remote participation information will be obtained at the time of approval Agenda Note: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Thu Mar 26 08:54:39 2020 Return-Path: <01000171178d3591-83e6c4c3-ad92-4160-a507-89673e664843-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D3963A0D6D for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2020 08:54:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vSEymg8FDAj2 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2020 08:54:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a48-95.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a48-95.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.48.95]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E30533A094F for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2020 08:54:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1585238062; h=From:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:To:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:Feedback-ID; bh=EtfpTYVoTxLmQ+TPeATvLOrLXzzv/D7/ojD/iszaLHk=; b=N3Pe7E6j1TsHKIH3kxkqCjsRyOPMKxYhCqHawG4OUZYgmffMgn+LkeLYFrCIzA8u IY1oRe2M67QAqtzEDUhlnfuhLWwh9cwostsn7L7tvtUrz45PnyFXF8QWX8AyIq455JS LmPEUw3blPQ0SZpPjvVtaeC78ahJkCylTlRwLASE= From: Kent Watsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 15:54:22 +0000 References: <158523785225.5132.8363500990975160526@ietfa.amsl.com> To: "netmod@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: <158523785225.5132.8363500990975160526@ietfa.amsl.com> Message-ID: <01000171178d3591-83e6c4c3-ad92-4160-a507-89673e664843-000000@email.amazonses.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.03.26-54.240.48.95 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] netmod - New Interim Meeting Request X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 15:54:38 -0000 UPDATE The NETMOD chairs just updated this request to occur 1-hour earlier to = deconflict with LSR. We will send a Calendar ICS file shortly. 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charset=utf-8 Dear All, This WGLC has received zero responses, which is insufficient to progress = the document at this time. The WGLC is therefore being extended for = another week, now ending April 1st (the day before our Virtual Meeting = on April 2nd). =20 Again, positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe = it is ready for publication", are welcomed. This is useful and = important, even from authors. Objections, concerns, and suggestions are = also welcomed at this time. FWIW, the YANG Doctor review was completed on 3/23 (thanks Mahesh) with = the =E2=80=9CReady with Nits=E2=80=9D status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-netmod-geo-location-04-yangdo= ctors-lc-jethanandani-2020-03-23. Kent // as shepherd and co-chair > On Mar 9, 2020, at 6:30 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: >=20 > This message begins an almost two-week WGLC for = draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-04 ending on March 22nd (the day before = the NETMOD sessions). Here is a direct link to the HTML version of the = draft: >=20 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-04 >=20 > Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe it = is ready for publication", are welcome! This is useful and important, = even from authors. Objections, concerns, and suggestions are also = welcomed at this time. >=20 > Thank you, > NETMOD Chairs >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod --Apple-Mail=_70F1848C-BD9C-4894-BEE2-C35558BB7364 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Dear All,

This WGLC has received zero = responses, which is insufficient to progress the document at this time. =  The WGLC is therefore being extended  for another week, now ending April 1st = (the day before our Virtual Meeting on April 2nd). =  

Again, positive = comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe it is ready for = publication", are welcomed.  This is useful and important, even = from authors.  Objections, concerns, and suggestions are also = welcomed at this time.

FWIW, the YANG Doctor = review was completed on 3/23 (thanks Mahesh) with the =E2=80=9CReady = with Nits=E2=80=9D status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-netmod-geo-locatio= n-04-yangdoctors-lc-jethanandani-2020-03-23.

Kent // as shepherd and = co-chair



= --Apple-Mail=_70F1848C-BD9C-4894-BEE2-C35558BB7364-- From nobody Thu Mar 26 12:06:36 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12BEE3A0E8D for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2020 12:06:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.362 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.362 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.463, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sb-rzFJYFyTM for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2020 12:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy9-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy9-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.20.122]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C4F1C3A0E6A for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2020 12:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmgw11.unifiedlayer.com (unknown [10.9.0.11]) by gproxy9.mail.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E18CB1E08F1 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2020 13:06:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id HXpYjWdqeVKjoHXpYj3WCh; Thu, 26 Mar 2020 13:06:16 -0600 X-Authority-Reason: nr=8 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=JLIVTfCb c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:17 a=dLZJa+xiwSxG16/P+YVxDGlgEgI=:19 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10:nop_ipv6 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10:nop_charset_1 a=SS2py6AdgQ4A:10:nop_rcvd_month_year a=Vy_oeq2dmq0A:10:endurance_base64_authed_username_1 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=AUd_NHdVAAAA:8 a=hIQMLaOb40ZpIZBIHUoA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10:nop_charset_2 a=w1C3t2QeGrPiZgrLijVG:22 a=Yz9wTY_ffGCQnEDHKrcv:22 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:Cc:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=1GAIvgY6PWzYQ/mfps7CXFahO3BewukeI9tMipRJUv4=; b=BlXRooiEininaxZKJ3GOLvyfUD BzIVaQfAhm9TZLBMO4kY7T6+YdOysa+UJGYNFl81J6wk9vbVH8NAvV/3OUdvNBXG67VxxuSpexaox vReFCsKIhGOUjNp7DeMJiQ6iA; Received: from [127.0.0.1] (port=44029 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jHXpY-001fwh-K7; Thu, 26 Mar 2020 13:06:16 -0600 To: "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" Cc: "netmod-chairs@ietf.org" , "netmod@ietf.org" References: <158523785066.4384.10315109920434145679@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Lou Berger Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 15:06:07 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-Source-L: Yes X-Exim-ID: 1jHXpY-001fwh-K7 X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([IPv6:::1]) [127.0.0.1]:44029 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 10 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] netmod - New Interim Meeting Request X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 19:06:34 -0000 delete the one that does not map to 1100 UTC... On 3/26/2020 12:06 PM, Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote: > There has been a suggestion to list all the meetings in UTC, so I've changed this request to 12:00 UTC. > > Okay? > > I've noticed two requests for the same time, presumably the second one can just be deleted? > > Thanks, > Rob > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool >> Sent: 26 March 2020 15:51 >> To: session-request@ietf.org >> Cc: lberger@labn.net; netmod-chairs@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org; Rob Wilton >> (rwilton) >> Subject: netmod - New Interim Meeting Request >> >> >> A new interim meeting request has just been submitted by Lou Berger. >> >> This request requires approval by the Area Director of the Operations and >> Management Area >> >> The meeting can be approved here: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim/request/interim-2020-netmod- >> 01 >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> Working Group Name: Network Modeling >> Area Name: Operations and Management Area Session Requester: Lou Berger >> >> Meeting Type: Virtual Meeting >> >> Session 1: >> >> Date: 2020-04-02 >> Start Time: 08:00 America/New_York >> Duration: 02:00 >> Remote Participation Information: Remote participation information will be >> obtained at the time of approval Agenda Note: >> >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> From nobody Thu Mar 26 13:21:37 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4075F3A09D9; 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Joel, is on PT agreed - although I'm sure he'd prefer later. WG, If the time is problematic for you and you expect to present/actively participate please drop the chairs a note. Thanks! Lou On 3/26/2020 4:21 PM, Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote: > Hi Lou, > > Some folks have previously complained about other meetings starting so early: > > 11 am UTC = 4 am San Jose = 7 pm Beijing > > Just to double check that you are happy with a 4 am start for any West Coast based folks, perhaps there are not many of them involved in Netmod. > > Thanks, > Rob > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lou Berger >> Sent: 26 March 2020 19:06 >> To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) >> Cc: netmod-chairs@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: netmod - New Interim Meeting Request >> >> delete the one that does not map to 1100 UTC... >> >> On 3/26/2020 12:06 PM, Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote: >>> There has been a suggestion to list all the meetings in UTC, so I've >> changed this request to 12:00 UTC. >>> Okay? >>> >>> I've noticed two requests for the same time, presumably the second one >> can just be deleted? >>> Thanks, >>> Rob >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool >>>> Sent: 26 March 2020 15:51 >>>> To: session-request@ietf.org >>>> Cc: lberger@labn.net; netmod-chairs@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org; Rob >>>> Wilton >>>> (rwilton) >>>> Subject: netmod - New Interim Meeting Request >>>> >>>> >>>> A new interim meeting request has just been submitted by Lou Berger. >>>> >>>> This request requires approval by the Area Director of the Operations >>>> and Management Area >>>> >>>> The meeting can be approved here: >>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim/request/interim-2020-net >>>> mod- >>>> 01 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Working Group Name: Network Modeling >>>> Area Name: Operations and Management Area Session Requester: Lou >>>> Berger >>>> >>>> Meeting Type: Virtual Meeting >>>> >>>> Session 1: >>>> >>>> Date: 2020-04-02 >>>> Start Time: 08:00 America/New_York >>>> Duration: 02:00 >>>> Remote Participation Information: Remote participation information >>>> will be obtained at the time of approval Agenda Note: >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>>> From nobody Thu Mar 26 14:46:05 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A733A0DF6 for ; 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X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 21:46:01 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01D603C0.4C85F560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I created an update to rfcstrip in Github. Revision 1.1balazs - 2020-03-26 added -a option. If it is specified, the file must be an XML2RFC XML file. All artworks will be extracted from it if they carry a name attribute. Artwork unfolding will also be executed. If the artwork contains the , markers they are removed. Regards Balazs -----Original Message----- From: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = =20 Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 26., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 11:55 To: Kent Watsen ; Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: RE: [netmod] Where can I use ? Hello Kent, OK, as you are strongly opposed to it, I will remove in the next version. That said, I do not really agree with you. If interested see, below. Regards Balazs -----Original Message----- From: netmod On Behalf Of Kent Watsen Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 25., szerda 18:25 To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] Where can I use ? Balazs, While possible to use the markers for instance examples... - they=E2=80=99ve never been used before, AFIAK (historical context) BALAZS: S0 I am a revolutionary :-) =20 As I understand validation of examples have always been an issue, so = making that more simple by automating extraction would be a step in the = good direction. - they're unneeded, as examples don=E2=80=99t contain copyright (per = Lada=E2=80=99s comment) BALAZS: I agree that copyright is a non-issue for these examples. = However is needed for another reason: easy extraction, = which would make checking the data simpler. - they're disallowed by RFC 8407 for example modules (per Benoit = comment) BALAZS: strictly speaking that is about YANG examples not instance data = examples. I also don't know/understand the reasoning behind it. A = separate example tag would be nice, but we don't have one. - as a contributor, I don=E2=80=99t wish to birth a new convention of = using the markers for examples. =20 In order to support programmatic extraction of examples from drafts, = please just set the =E2=80=9Cname=E2=80=9D attribute on the = or element in the XML draft.=20 BALAZS: As far as I understand sourcecode is only available in XML2RFC = v3. Name is not handled by rfcstrip or xym. (I don't have time to = update the tools right now.) It would be nice to have an update to = rfcstrip that checks every and if it has a name attribute, it = extracts the content into a file called "name". 2.48.2. "name" Attribute A filename suitable for the contents (such as for extraction to a local file). This attribute can be helpful for other kinds of tools (such as automated syntax checkers, which work by extracting the source code). Note that the "name" attribute does not need to be unique for elements in a document. If multiple elements have the same "name" attribute, a formatter might assume that the elements are all fragments of a single file, and such a formatter can collect those fragments for later processing. Kent > On Mar 24, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = wrote: >=20 > Hello, > A reply from the rfc-editor on . It seems it is OK. > Regards Balazs >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Alice Russo =20 > Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 24., kedd 16:00 > To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel > Cc: RFC Editor > Subject: Re: Where can I use ? >=20 > Greetings, >=20 > Please see below. >=20 >> On Mar 21, 2020, at 8:30 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = wrote: >>=20 >> Hello, >> Sorry if I am sending this question to the wrong person.=20 >> We have a discussion in the NETMOD workgroup about when is it = appropriate/allowed to use the markings in = drafts and RFCs. >> We regularly use it to bracket the YANG modules defined.=20 >> e.g. file "ietf-yang-instance-data@2020-03-19.yang"=20 >>=20 >=20 > Just FYI, if you are using the new XML vocabulary [1], the markers can = be created automatically by using markers=3D"true" > -- for example -- > >=20 >> However is it allowed to use it to bracket XML or json examples in = drafts/rfcs?=20 >> e.g. file read-only-acm-rules@2020-03-19.xml >=20 > Yes, it is allowed. The markers and are = mentioned in the Trust Legal Provisions [2]. >=20 > [1] = https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=3D50261255-0cacc750-502652ce-861010= bc36ff-8b3716f9fa495535&q=3D1&e=3D11f6fa43-0168-4d1f-8f5d-bffd46fff0d3&u=3D= https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rfc-editor.org%2Fmaterials%2FFAQ-xml2rfcv3.html > [2] https://trustee.ietf.org/license-info/IETF-TLP-5.htm (item 4d) >=20 > Thank you. > RFC Editor/ar >=20 >>=20 >> It is very handy that the rfcstrip tool can extract the CODE sections = from a draft which facilitates checking these by external tools like = yanglint. The checking is needed both for the YANG modules and the = examples. >> If you as an rfc-editor could give guidance on the issue it would be = appreciated. I attached a planned draft. >> Best regards Balazs Lengyel=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Balazs Lengyel Senior Specialist = Ericsson Hungary Ltd.=20 >> Mobile: +36-70-330-7909 email: = Balazs.Lengyel@ericsson.com >>=20 >> > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod _______________________________________________ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01D603C0.4C85F560 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIVbjCCAyAw ggIIoAMCAQICAR0wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwOTELMAkGA1UEBhMCRkkxDzANBgNVBAoTBlNvbmVy YTEZMBcGA1UEAxMQU29uZXJhIENsYXNzMiBDQTAeFw0wMTA0MDYwNzI5NDBaFw0yMTA0MDYwNzI5 NDBaMDkxCzAJBgNVBAYTAkZJMQ8wDQYDVQQKEwZTb25lcmExGTAXBgNVBAMTEFNvbmVyYSBDbGFz 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netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 22:11:54 -0000 The Network Modeling (netmod) Working Group will hold a virtual interim meeting on 2020-04-02 from 11:00 to 13:00 UTC. Agenda: Agenda is forthcoming on https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmod/ Information about remote participation: Remote participation information will be obtained at the time of approval From nobody Thu Mar 26 16:24:02 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67C673A0D94 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2020 16:24:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HqB6kfvMF2rm for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2020 16:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.chopps.org (smtp.chopps.org [54.88.81.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FB533A0DAB for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2020 16:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stubbs.int.chopps.org (047-050-069-038.biz.spectrum.com [47.50.69.38]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by smtp.chopps.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B5AD46095E; Thu, 26 Mar 2020 23:23:58 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3608.60.0.2.5\)) From: Christian Hopps In-Reply-To: <01000171182b030c-b715fdd4-0d1a-4373-a2b4-ba26e19b3232-000000@email.amazonses.com> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 19:23:57 -0400 Cc: Christian Hopps , "netmod@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6DFE5C8A-0947-4AF0-8624-7FD334115DFC@chopps.org> References: <01000170c16b721e-b5be8d27-8f4a-4355-9682-424f0dc5f337-000000@email.amazonses.com> <01000171182b030c-b715fdd4-0d1a-4373-a2b4-ba26e19b3232-000000@email.amazonses.com> To: Kent Watsen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.60.0.2.5) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] WGLC: draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-04 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 23:24:01 -0000 > On Mar 26, 2020, at 2:46 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: >=20 > Dear All, >=20 > This WGLC has received zero responses, which is insufficient to = progress the document at this time. The WGLC is therefore being = extended for another week, now ending April 1st (the day before our = Virtual Meeting on April 2nd). =20 >=20 > Again, positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and = believe it is ready for publication", are welcomed. This is useful and = important, even from authors. Objections, concerns, and suggestions are = also welcomed at this time. Well OK. As author, I support this work. It has undergone multiple reviews, and = revisiions, and I think it's ready to ship. It was well supported during the adoption call, maybe it's covid getting = in the way of things. Thanks, Chris. 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([2601:647:5600:5020:15e5:839a:3a52:f315]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m11sm2941373pjq.13.2020.03.26.23.35.32 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 26 Mar 2020 23:35:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Mahesh Jethanandani Message-Id: <59B2A366-135A-4511-AC69-4B291F8F084B@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3983CCB7-2DEB-49B1-8072-8B92FDAEC301" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.5\)) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 23:35:31 -0700 In-Reply-To: <01000171182b030c-b715fdd4-0d1a-4373-a2b4-ba26e19b3232-000000@email.amazonses.com> Cc: "netmod@ietf.org" To: Kent Watsen References: <01000170c16b721e-b5be8d27-8f4a-4355-9682-424f0dc5f337-000000@email.amazonses.com> <01000171182b030c-b715fdd4-0d1a-4373-a2b4-ba26e19b3232-000000@email.amazonses.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.5) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] WGLC: draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-04 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 06:35:43 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_3983CCB7-2DEB-49B1-8072-8B92FDAEC301 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 As someone who has reviewed the draft, I want to say I support the work. = The draft is short and easy to read. Thanks. > On Mar 26, 2020, at 11:46 AM, Kent Watsen = wrote: >=20 > Dear All, >=20 > This WGLC has received zero responses, which is insufficient to = progress the document at this time. The WGLC is therefore being = extended for another week, now ending April 1st (the day before our = Virtual Meeting on April 2nd). =20 >=20 > Again, positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and = believe it is ready for publication", are welcomed. This is useful and = important, even from authors. Objections, concerns, and suggestions are = also welcomed at this time. >=20 > FWIW, the YANG Doctor review was completed on 3/23 (thanks Mahesh) = with the =E2=80=9CReady with Nits=E2=80=9D status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-netmod-geo-location-04-yangdo= ctors-lc-jethanandani-2020-03-23 = . >=20 > Kent // as shepherd and co-chair >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Mar 9, 2020, at 6:30 PM, Kent Watsen > wrote: >>=20 >> This message begins an almost two-week WGLC for = draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-04 ending on March 22nd (the day before = the NETMOD sessions). Here is a direct link to the HTML version of the = draft: >>=20 >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-04 = >>=20 >> Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe it = is ready for publication", are welcome! This is useful and important, = even from authors. Objections, concerns, and suggestions are also = welcomed at this time. >>=20 >> Thank you, >> NETMOD Chairs >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> netmod mailing list >> netmod@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod --Apple-Mail=_3983CCB7-2DEB-49B1-8072-8B92FDAEC301 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 As = someone who has reviewed the draft, I want to say I support the work. = The draft is short and easy to read.

= --Apple-Mail=_3983CCB7-2DEB-49B1-8072-8B92FDAEC301-- From nobody Fri Mar 27 03:18:28 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ABDB3A0917 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2020 03:18:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Pt3sw0EXaRx7 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2020 03:18:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84D3F3A093A for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2020 03:18:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 51904F40712; Fri, 27 Mar 2020 03:18:12 -0700 (PDT) To: mbj@tail-f.com, ibagdona@gmail.com, warren@kumari.net, joelja@bogus.com, kent+ietf@watsen.net, lberger@labn.net X-PHP-Originating-Script: 30:errata_mail_lib.php From: RFC Errata System Cc: rkrejci@cesnet.cz, netmod@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <20200327101812.51904F40712@rfc-editor.org> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 03:18:12 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC7950 (6031) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 10:18:27 -0000 The following errata report has been submitted for RFC7950, "The YANG 1.1 Data Modeling Language". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid6031 -------------------------------------- Type: Technical Reported by: Radek Krejci Section: 9.9.3 Original Text ------------- The "require-instance" statement, which is a substatement to the "type" statement, MAY be present if the type is "instance-identifier" or "leafref". It takes as an argument the string "true" or "false". If this statement is not present, it defaults to "true". Corrected Text -------------- The "require-instance" statement, which is a substatement to the "type" statement, MAY be present if the type is "instance-identifier", "leafref" or a type derived from them. It takes as an argument the string "true" or "false". If this statement is not present, it defaults to "true". Notes ----- As discussed in https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netconf/?gbt=1&index=p_zRKwQ6TBxTuCDPc5wJbdZgWTc, authors expect that the require-instance statement is available not only for leafref and instance-identifier types, but also for all the types derived from them using typedef statement. Since no one argued against this understanding, this errata changes the text to the same form as in other restrictions applicable to derived types. Instructions: ------------- This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. -------------------------------------- RFC7950 (draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6020bis-14) -------------------------------------- Title : The YANG 1.1 Data Modeling Language Publication Date : August 2016 Author(s) : M. Bjorklund, Ed. Category : PROPOSED STANDARD Source : Network Modeling Area : Operations and Management Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From nobody Fri Mar 27 06:57:33 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E80183A03EF; Fri, 27 Mar 2020 06:57:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wltjbXws4MS0; Fri, 27 Mar 2020 06:57:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2ADA93A00AE; Fri, 27 Mar 2020 06:57:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jmbp.local ([IPv6:2601:647:4200:5811:c8b:4ac1:644:8dd3]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 02RDvRMY023694; Fri, 27 Mar 2020 13:57:28 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) X-Authentication-Warning: nagasaki.bogus.com: Host [IPv6:2601:647:4200:5811:c8b:4ac1:644:8dd3] claimed to be jmbp.local To: "netmod@ietf.org" , "netmod-chairs@ietf.org" References: <158526071349.4748.16589153621766830968@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Joel Jaeggli X-Pep-Version: 2.0 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 06:57:27 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <158526071349.4748.16589153621766830968@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------BFB0EE1C6FF3DB09331BBDF4" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] Agenda Items - Re: Network Modeling (netmod) WG Virtual Meeting: 2020-04-02 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 13:57:32 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------BFB0EE1C6FF3DB09331BBDF4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Netmod folks, now that this is scheduled if you have an item you'd like on the agenda for this meeting which you had not previously gotten in to us please send it along to netmod chairs netmod-chairs@ietf.org. Agenda items proposed so far: Netmod Ver DT presentation draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags YANG in 3GPP presentation draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format If I've missed something please let me know. Thanks Chairs On 3/26/20 15:11, IESG Secretary wrote: > The Network Modeling (netmod) Working Group will hold > a virtual interim meeting on 2020-04-02 from 11:00 to 13:00 UTC. > > Agenda: > Agenda is forthcoming on https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmo= d/=20 > > Information about remote participation: > Remote participation information will be obtained at the time of approv= al > > _______________________________________________ > IETF-Announce mailing list > IETF-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce > --------------BFB0EE1C6FF3DB09331BBDF4 Content-Type: application/pgp-keys; name="pEpkey.asc" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="pEpkey.asc" -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- mQENBF0zjHcBCAC/VccTV8/Owi3MQVGop8umVKn4stHzV/F4/5+ixMnzkhhRsI1L 305ew6Uh+ypYkKn28X7B5+3zNIRxK+JKkV9QKufSBPFcTd41xoknMtCMSr5QZIln A61tLz2oCIdB6eiTrzI60pHwd0idCOmAEqUP8JLfaQZK9JNQ416Kb/8CHiDhkG0N 17l0EYT+uVVBlUbSAgbaw6gO2csUPeASB6oiFd9AdCBVMQsQ4Q57Giz1oFam/FJw igtZ4TG+fW8dM1k8ngyonN8RzdTwnkkPLCNrttdOfjrv9llianW9Jz48l52ViT39 S82tYLkDuNbQ0AJKK8lniYz0yvs47k5WHF/VABEBAAG0H0pvZWwgSmFlZ2dsaSA8 am9lbGphQGJvZ3VzLmNvbT6JAVQEEwEIAD4WIQTSCLPd1dloH5f5hauFzc47B3GZ 7AUCXTOMdwIbAwUJAeEzgAULCQgHAgYVCgkICwIEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRCFzc47 B3GZ7HcvCAChCaaK8xnP5z7bxz5y5tX15fpEzjjhz0fHe32gJ2uZblWzhX6ch/6z 2k51Pcnf0FJj788Nu+WI0kF/U81jByvbz5WPlEBm7E/D0HLxsIWkbt0AlNjiDIP8 WuTZ0Lom/m7YFzwLTN7g+MI5Jqui/LEKcKAqoo5ioGsDGOIa9Fq7/WWkx7fIYvTR pqSpPKdZs3kz1z9QvncyM3IrY7fOMD4hShCwcA2HU+rl61g6aIZmpG7LXT0ZlHfY UMk8zxL/8/S89p7ZPxhxrjDeYMPxlexmWY9KZS6Ek6ugO2udHeEDagpUpUrmqEgg tK8qSsmclqqWXWps5Bl8JLueamnwV+77uQENBF0zjHcBCADWGXodjIueeHPimoj7 55ExPKJvP8ECZProTxJ86N5xmLP9Fbs70FKSxRwv4at1fWgvEwOU9w0ibq7CT+wo neboxFsWh6GEHlskSlgr5MpqCJXSpcoHABR7aBaBecFAD2YS3Zaf7GUCHcl51Bb8 7Xuj59tS8S5RCMtQ5spAL1unLt/rIBbEaiJR24/vJQLuZAJtAeUQgy0s2daBFKfL j/7AIVGTpbFSpM3iiOOjFnvQsWapzxheLNS57OY7DaQWDsd/E8zFHcTJLpotST4r AkWnXvrCxOkFKX+WJ1TKiy8I0enIa1U8aB+9YswHy4fE3GbGqeMDjSxCziNLKKe+ MlZ1ABEBAAGJATwEGAEIACYWIQTSCLPd1dloH5f5hauFzc47B3GZ7AUCXTOMdwIb DAUJAeEzgAAKCRCFzc47B3GZ7G9dB/9mvCNEjuJVv9IdcziUFrWX8r0rZPRTw+iH 1EKxpE5RWU+LTf3dNJWz/s8pItLkevjIz4tLOdoAa8awj4xqoLkoVFr/LTU7ugaF ZksanT5/E5ZsDm/ngsdUAgOwZvalOU6cdj7Utzk1xWbGfPLnx86a8VzEaCMtzNX6 roW3zJPBcxnDekuvuHnEiAvUBDGhf2GcVafVRuyM0MOlT7jQ0B8N6mcmojJFSJvO 4jFLiT2/9vPgl4i41S3P8jbjEBQ24U26BDBuB3yNOvoaPDcRUsC1sKHHZCr1cwan 0E4HFJ5kouvANneQTsH+QtWnGZ9mtDrmR+qZ4p7+4dXve+HsG64S =3DmE9q -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- --------------BFB0EE1C6FF3DB09331BBDF4-- From nobody Fri Mar 27 07:17:31 2020 Return-Path: <010001711c5ad2e4-9758a8e2-1db7-473a-86d6-b0545605766a-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 175853A0A44 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2020 07:17:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ScpYIzao8q3R for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2020 07:17:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a8-83.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-83.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.83]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0C473A0A1A for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2020 07:17:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1585318646; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:Feedback-ID; bh=q5L/62xMsQIapRdUSYZQslHpDv7OIXx/ZJXpSbrDzfA=; b=G9XD3R0D7scwVaJbQRtxVY84Pm88o7NmQmHCFwKqnoIVaOD8+rMWNlLgei+pierD Yu4h2Fx1cMoJ5Gh3XJzaaGsfdDkIKyBNrM+MuVV/q9qGIOLVo0sK5AMjX+ut+oJFleZ ho0xI6BcLEUGFqB/3oMzTQljERc9wCTZ5Ww1Acu4= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Kent Watsen In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 14:17:26 +0000 Cc: "netmod@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <010001711c5ad2e4-9758a8e2-1db7-473a-86d6-b0545605766a-000000@email.amazonses.com> References: <0100017112b9fbb5-e808f29f-e38a-4ff4-bd61-ac93b02057a3-000000@email.amazonses.com> To: =?utf-8?Q?Bal=C3=A1zs_Lengyel?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.03.27-54.240.8.83 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Where can I use ? X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 14:17:29 -0000 Hi Balazs, > OK, as you are strongly opposed to it, I will remove = in the next version. Is there a need for a =E2=80=9Cnext" version? Looking at -10 (current), I only see the markers around the YANG module, = which seems good, right? Kent // shepherd= From nobody Fri Mar 27 07:59:13 2020 Return-Path: <010001711c801086-0413b5f4-dfc2-4c8c-91ea-3ba7da4ecb6b-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E55673A0D29 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2020 07:59:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L4_EpCgkkrTt for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2020 07:59:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a8-31.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-31.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34EC63A0CB4 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2020 07:58:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1585321088; h=From:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:To:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:Feedback-ID; bh=YgpiEfzuLxQ2Of2PvwMKW6WdS08G4E+7lS+ZNZhOOEM=; b=Ah/wSSRdLrqMIj6hdXwhSAOUJ1Lz44Ucq5nvZUpspXYEntaFJQiJUDlnoIKeLoby dHbQmecQDrqqklCtBQifyDd+LTN13WOVlVQyv8s9jYJ4VnJgBjjR3K0mXi+eGJBjOt6 filYesqG7HWgc4t/Dz6M0Bva00lFtwSHzKxvOYS4= From: Kent Watsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 14:58:07 +0000 References: <0100017045205157-ba7a6e8f-0d4d-4540-b6ca-94d4d81dbe02-000000@email.amazonses.com> <01000170eb9368e1-3f3186d5-9792-492a-8a33-4bb589552b6d-000000@email.amazonses.com> <01000170ef41c649-255d0811-a030-4b60-9d1f-a06d39f4ebf8-000000@email.amazonses.com> To: "netmod@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <010001711c801086-0413b5f4-dfc2-4c8c-91ea-3ba7da4ecb6b-000000@email.amazonses.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.03.27-54.240.8.31 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-06 to -07 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 14:59:11 -0000 All, The current -10 draft appears to have addressed all issues raised during = the last call. Thank you to everyone that participated. I will start the shepherd review now. Hopefully it will go smoothly, as = a number of issues that I raised during the WGLC were related to things = that are typically discovered during the shepherd review. Kent // co-chair and shepherd > On Mar 19, 2020, at 8:08 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Kent Watsen =20 > Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 18., szerda 21:07 > To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel > Cc: netmod@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netmod] WG Last Call: = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-06 to -07 >=20 > One more thing, for non-mandatory nodes that don=E2=80=99t have a = default value specified, please ensure the =E2=80=9Cdescription=E2=80=9D = statement states what it means for the node to be set or not set = (whichever is easier)? For instance: >=20 > OLD: >=20 > leaf name { > type string; > description > "Name of the YANG instance data set."; > } >=20 > NEW (assuming this makes sense): >=20 > leaf name { > type string; > description > =E2=80=9CAn arbitrary name for the YANG instance data set. = This > value is primarily used for descriptive purposes. However, > when the instance data set is saved to a file, then the > filename MUST encode the name=E2=80=99s value, per Section = 3=20 > of RFC XXXX."; > } > BALAZS: OK > BTW, should the requirement of it needing to be encoded into the = filename place constraints on the =E2=80=9Cstring=E2=80=9D type? Should = a =E2=80=9Cpattern=E2=80=9D > statement be added? > BALAZS: IMHO defining a pattern for a filename string (that may be = dependent on the used filesystem) is out of scope for this draft. >=20 > Extended description of content-schema. > IMHO contact, description, revision, timestamp does not need to = explain what does it mean if they are not present. 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 Balazs -----Original Message----- From: netmod On Behalf Of RFC Errata System Sent: 2020. m=E1rcius 27., p=E9ntek 11:18 To: mbj@tail-f.com; ibagdona@gmail.com; warren@kumari.net; = joelja@bogus.com; kent+ietf@watsen.net; lberger@labn.net Cc: netmod@ietf.org; rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [netmod] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC7950 (6031) The following errata report has been submitted for RFC7950, "The YANG = 1.1 Data Modeling Language". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid6031 -------------------------------------- Type: Technical Reported by: Radek Krejci Section: 9.9.3 Original Text ------------- The "require-instance" statement, which is a substatement to the "type" statement, MAY be present if the type is "instance-identifier" or "leafref". It takes as an argument the string "true" or "false". If this statement is not present, it defaults to "true". Corrected Text -------------- The "require-instance" statement, which is a substatement to the "type" statement, MAY be present if the type is "instance-identifier", = "leafref" or a type derived from them. It takes as an argument the string "true" or "false". If this statement is not present, it defaults to "true". Notes ----- As discussed in https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netconf/?gbt=3D1&index=3Dp_zRKwQ= 6TBxTuC DPc5wJbdZgWTc, authors expect that the require-instance statement is available not only for leafref and instance-identifier types, but also = for all the types derived from them using typedef statement. Since no one = argued against this understanding, this errata changes the text to the same = form as in other restrictions applicable to derived types. Instructions: ------------- This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". 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X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Id: f78e973e-5c0b-4ab8-bbd7-9887c95a8ebd X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-MailboxType: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-UserPrincipalName: DDq2UxzUcF5VWWh+tZ+g6iekXWr8MV1ZLA7y+gx84t+e8GVJiPDa39JCul8dx5ilXJGiiGDZfG+fFhRsKzHctgsnWudDcJuzvbVoMT5g2TU= X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: HE1P190MB0060 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC7950 (6031) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 15:17:52 -0000 Hi, two comments: - It is unclear to me whether this really qualifies as an errata. - If we add this, then there should probably text about which combinations are allowed. For example, for pattern and ranges, there is explicit text that says further restrictions of the value space are possible, bot not expansions. If we follow that logic, then typedef a { type leaf-ref { path "/some/thing"; require-instance true; } } typedef b { type a { require-instance false; } } might be illegal since b has a larger value space than a. /js On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 03:18:12AM -0700, RFC Errata System wrote: > The following errata report has been submitted for RFC7950, > "The YANG 1.1 Data Modeling Language". > > -------------------------------------- > You may review the report below and at: > https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid6031 > > -------------------------------------- > Type: Technical > Reported by: Radek Krejci > > Section: 9.9.3 > > Original Text > ------------- > The "require-instance" statement, which is a substatement to the > "type" statement, MAY be present if the type is "instance-identifier" > or "leafref". It takes as an argument the string "true" or "false". > If this statement is not present, it defaults to "true". > > Corrected Text > -------------- > The "require-instance" statement, which is a substatement to the > "type" statement, MAY be present if the type is "instance-identifier", > "leafref" or a type derived from them. It takes as an argument the > string "true" or "false". If this statement is not present, it defaults > to "true". > > Notes > ----- > As discussed in https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netconf/?gbt=1&index=p_zRKwQ6TBxTuCDPc5wJbdZgWTc, authors expect that the require-instance statement is available not only for leafref and instance-identifier types, but also for all the types derived from them using typedef statement. Since no one argued against this understanding, this errata changes the text to the same form as in other restrictions applicable to derived types. > > Instructions: > ------------- > This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please > use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or > rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party > can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. > > -------------------------------------- > RFC7950 (draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6020bis-14) > -------------------------------------- > Title : The YANG 1.1 Data Modeling Language > Publication Date : August 2016 > Author(s) : M. 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Fri, 27 Mar 2020 11:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 16:35:44 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <20200327.163544.1954043640939771631.id@4668.se> To: j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, ibagdona@gmail.com, netmod@ietf.org, warren@kumari.net From: Martin =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rklund?= In-Reply-To: <20200327151743.xwzncq4osj26tzec@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> References: <20200327101812.51904F40712@rfc-editor.org> <20200327151743.xwzncq4osj26tzec@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.8 on Emacs 26.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC7950 (6031) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 15:35:52 -0000 [re-sent w/ correct address] Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > Hi, > > two comments: > > - It is unclear to me whether this really qualifies as an errata. > > - If we add this, then there should probably text about which > combinations are allowed. For example, for pattern and ranges, there > is explicit text that says further restrictions of the value space > are possible, bot not expansions. If we follow that logic, then > > typedef a { > type leaf-ref { > path "/some/thing"; > require-instance true; > } > } > > typedef b { > type a { > require-instance false; > } > } > > might be illegal since b has a larger value space than a. The value space of b is the same as for a. "require-instance" doesn't change the value space; it changes semantic validation of the given values ((see my mail from 17 Mar, "Require-instance problem"). /martin > > /js > > On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 03:18:12AM -0700, RFC Errata System wrote: > > The following errata report has been submitted for RFC7950, > > "The YANG 1.1 Data Modeling Language". > > > > -------------------------------------- > > You may review the report below and at: > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid6031 > > > > -------------------------------------- > > Type: Technical > > Reported by: Radek Krejci > > > > Section: 9.9.3 > > > > Original Text > > ------------- > > The "require-instance" statement, which is a substatement to the > > "type" statement, MAY be present if the type is "instance-identifier" > > or "leafref". It takes as an argument the string "true" or "false". > > If this statement is not present, it defaults to "true". > > > > Corrected Text > > -------------- > > The "require-instance" statement, which is a substatement to the > > "type" statement, MAY be present if the type is "instance-identifier", > > "leafref" or a type derived from them. It takes as an argument the > > string "true" or "false". If this statement is not present, it defaults > > to "true". > > > > Notes > > ----- > > As discussed in https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netconf/?gbt=1&index=p_zRKwQ6TBxTuCDPc5wJbdZgWTc, authors expect that the require-instance statement is available not only for leafref and instance-identifier types, but also for all the types derived from them using typedef statement. Since no one argued against this understanding, this errata changes the text to the same form as in other restrictions applicable to derived types. > > > > Instructions: > > ------------- > > This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please > > use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or > > rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party > > can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. > > > > -------------------------------------- > > RFC7950 (draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6020bis-14) > > -------------------------------------- > > Title : The YANG 1.1 Data Modeling Language > > Publication Date : August 2016 > > Author(s) : M. Bjorklund, Ed. > > Category : PROPOSED STANDARD > > Source : Network Modeling > > Area : Operations and Management > > Stream : IETF > > Verifying Party : IESG > > > > _______________________________________________ > > netmod mailing list > > netmod@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod From nobody Fri Mar 27 09:13:52 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32EEB3A0F3D for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2020 09:13:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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For example, for pattern and ranges, there > > is explicit text that says further restrictions of the value space > > are possible, bot not expansions. If we follow that logic, then > > > > typedef a { > > type leaf-ref { > > path "/some/thing"; > > require-instance true; > > } > > } > > > > typedef b { > > type a { > > require-instance false; > > } > > } > > > > might be illegal since b has a larger value space than a. > > The value space of b is the same as for a. "require-instance" doesn't > change the value space; it changes semantic validation of the given > values ((see my mail from 17 Mar, "Require-instance problem"). > > /martin OK. If we consider require-instance a constraint and not a restriction, then the motivation for this errata is at least confusing: Since no one argued against this understanding, this errata changes the text to the same form as in other restrictions applicable to derived types. Simply put: Do you think it is OK to overwrite a require-instance true with a require-instance false in a derived type? /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Fri Mar 27 10:09:19 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2837C3A0522 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2020 10:09:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=btconnect.onmicrosoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lBsZ5Ia_4Dmn for ; 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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: btconnect.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: dcdce41d-d3b5-4107-268c-08d7d271903d X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 27 Mar 2020 17:09:08.7779 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: cf8853ed-96e5-465b-9185-806bfe185e30 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: eTW64Z4mbo3KU2UL0mlT5iVpe3/jWW1IBKjlUhcC+IWbQDho/K1wTjw5Dt/ML2SjPXkQWTRCvl67N4Fube2zcw== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DB7PR07MB5864 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] WGLC: draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-04 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 17:09:17 -0000 Kent=0A= =0A= Not Ready=0A= =0A= I thought that so obvious that it was not worth saying:-)=0A= =0A= e.g.=0A= IANA considerations does not register the namespace so there is no module= =0A= Security Considerations does not use template (which other grouping modules= such as Kent's do)=0A= No YANG version=0A= Wrong prefix for ietf-yang-types=0A= No reference clause for yang types=0A= A wholesale lack of YANG reference clauses; perhaps half a dozen needed=0A= No Normative reference for yang-types=0A= Insufficient information for IANA - I infer they are being asked to create = a registry but details seem lacking compared to the requirements in RFC8126= =0A= =0A= At which point I stop and await a fresh revision before having another go.= =0A= =0A= Tom Petch=0A= =0A= ________________________________________=0A= From: netmod on behalf of Kent Watsen =0A= Sent: 26 March 2020 18:46=0A= =0A= Dear All,=0A= =0A= This WGLC has received zero responses, which is insufficient to progress th= e document at this time. The WGLC is therefore being extended for another= week, now ending April 1st (the day before our Virtual Meeting on April 2n= d).=0A= =0A= Again, positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe it= is ready for publication", are welcomed. This is useful and important, ev= en from authors. Objections, concerns, and suggestions are also welcomed a= t this time.=0A= =0A= FWIW, the YANG Doctor review was completed on 3/23 (thanks Mahesh) with the= =93Ready with Nits=94 status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf= -netmod-geo-location-04-yangdoctors-lc-jethanandani-2020-03-23.=0A= =0A= Kent // as shepherd and co-chair=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= On Mar 9, 2020, at 6:30 PM, Kent Watsen > wrote:=0A= =0A= This message begins an almost two-week WGLC for draft-ietf-netmod-geo-locat= ion-04 ending on March 22nd (the day before the NETMOD sessions). Here is = a direct link to the HTML version of the draft:=0A= =0A= https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-04=0A= =0A= Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe it is rea= dy for publication", are welcome! This is useful and important, even from = authors. 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However rfcstrip cannot extract this part. Is that a problem? Regards Balazs -- Balazs Lengyel Senior Specialist Ericsson Hungary Ltd. Mobile: +36-70-330-7909 email: Balazs.Lengyel@ericsson.com ------=_NextPart_001_007A_01D60466.9E8ACC40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-12 = contains a section with <CODE BEGINS> <CODE = ENS>.

However rfcstrip cannot = extract this part. Is that a problem?

Regards Balazs

 

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([2607:fb90:4e8f:a321:a544:5df7:24c0:6366]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d71sm4609528pfd.46.2020.03.27.10.37.09 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 27 Mar 2020 10:37:10 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Mahesh Jethanandani Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 10:37:07 -0700 Message-Id: <1D24C2B7-C24E-43D4-AB5A-98D09F485A5A@gmail.com> References: Cc: Kent Watsen , "netmod@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: To: tom petch X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (17C54) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] WGLC: draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-04 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 17:37:50 -0000 Hi Tom, Not questioning the Not Ready status for the overall draft, but on the issue= s you raise about the yang model ... > On Mar 27, 2020, at 10:09 AM, tom petch wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFKent >=20 > Not Ready >=20 > I thought that so obvious that it was not worth saying:-) >=20 > e.g. > IANA considerations does not register the namespace so there is no module > Security Considerations does not use template (which other grouping module= s such as Kent's do) > No YANG version Which version statement were you referring to? There is one in the model wit= h the date 2019-02-17.=20 > Wrong prefix for ietf-yang-types Does the prefix have to be the same as what the model declares? None of the t= ools complain about it.=20 > No reference clause for yang types Yes, as pointed out in the review.=20 > A wholesale lack of YANG reference clauses; perhaps half a dozen needed > No Normative reference for yang-types Yes, as pointed out in the review.=20 > Insufficient information for IANA - I infer they are being asked to create= a registry but details seem lacking compared to the requirements in RFC8126= >=20 > At which point I stop and await a fresh revision before having another go.= >=20 > Tom Petch >=20 > ________________________________________ > From: netmod on behalf of Kent Watsen > Sent: 26 March 2020 18:46 >=20 > Dear All, >=20 > This WGLC has received zero responses, which is insufficient to progress t= he document at this time. The WGLC is therefore being extended for another= week, now ending April 1st (the day before our Virtual Meeting on April 2nd= ). >=20 > Again, positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe i= t is ready for publication", are welcomed. This is useful and important, ev= en from authors. Objections, concerns, and suggestions are also welcomed at= this time. >=20 > FWIW, the YANG Doctor review was completed on 3/23 (thanks Mahesh) with th= e =E2=80=9CReady with Nits=E2=80=9D status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc= /review-ietf-netmod-geo-location-04-yangdoctors-lc-jethanandani-2020-03-23. >=20 > Kent // as shepherd and co-chair >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mar 9, 2020, at 6:30 PM, Kent Watsen > wrote: >=20 > This message begins an almost two-week WGLC for draft-ietf-netmod-geo-loca= tion-04 ending on March 22nd (the day before the NETMOD sessions). Here is a= direct link to the HTML version of the draft: >=20 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-04 >=20 > Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe it is re= ady for publication", are welcome! This is useful and important, even from a= uthors. Objections, concerns, and suggestions are also welcomed at this time= . >=20 > Thank you, > NETMOD Chairs >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod Mahesh Jethanandani=20 mjethanandani@gmail.com= From nobody Fri Mar 27 10:39:30 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 047323A0FF4 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2020 10:39:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zyIrnUxIcZmG for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2020 10:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.chopps.org (smtp.chopps.org [54.88.81.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC2D3A0908 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2020 10:39:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stubbs.int.chopps.org (047-050-069-038.biz.spectrum.com [47.50.69.38]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by smtp.chopps.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E23ED60960; Fri, 27 Mar 2020 17:39:05 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3608.60.0.2.5\)) From: Christian Hopps In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 13:39:04 -0400 Cc: Christian Hopps , Kent Watsen , "netmod@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4FC34FCE-02B7-4959-AFFD-4DE84F4389B4@chopps.org> References: <01000170c16b721e-b5be8d27-8f4a-4355-9682-424f0dc5f337-000000@email.amazonses.com> <01000171182b030c-b715fdd4-0d1a-4373-a2b4-ba26e19b3232-000000@email.amazonses.com> To: tom petch X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.60.0.2.5) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] WGLC: draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-04 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 17:39:28 -0000 > On Mar 27, 2020, at 1:09 PM, tom petch wrote: >=20 > Kent >=20 > Not Ready >=20 > I thought that so obvious that it was not worth saying:-) >=20 > e.g. > IANA considerations does not register the namespace so there is no = module Will add. > Security Considerations does not use template (which other grouping = modules such as Kent's do) I've pinged Kent for a pointer. > No YANG version This means it defaults to 1.0 I thought. > Wrong prefix for ietf-yang-types Will change the groupings use from "types" to "yang". > No reference clause for yang types Do you mean inside the import ietf-yang-types statement? > A wholesale lack of YANG reference clauses; perhaps half a dozen = needed I can see 2 places I might could put these, in the "astronomical-body" = leaf that references the IAU and in the "geodetic-system" for the = default value. We are creating an IANA registry for the values in = geodetic-system though so perhaps you are asking for an IANA reference = instead? I don't see 4 more obvious places for external references, = could you help point them out? > No Normative reference for yang-types We add normative document references for imported modules that are not = mentioned anywhere else in the actual document? I have no problem doing = so, but I haven't done that before. > Insufficient information for IANA - I infer they are being asked to = create a registry but details seem lacking compared to the requirements = in RFC8126 Thanks for pointing this out, I'll add this instead of waiting for IANA = to complain. :) Thanks, Chris. >=20 > At which point I stop and await a fresh revision before having another = go. >=20 > Tom Petch >=20 > ________________________________________ > From: netmod on behalf of Kent Watsen = > Sent: 26 March 2020 18:46 >=20 > Dear All, >=20 > This WGLC has received zero responses, which is insufficient to = progress the document at this time. The WGLC is therefore being = extended for another week, now ending April 1st (the day before our = Virtual Meeting on April 2nd). >=20 > Again, positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and = believe it is ready for publication", are welcomed. This is useful and = important, even from authors. Objections, concerns, and suggestions are = also welcomed at this time. >=20 > FWIW, the YANG Doctor review was completed on 3/23 (thanks Mahesh) = with the =E2=80=9CReady with Nits=E2=80=9D status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-netmod-geo-location-04-yangdo= ctors-lc-jethanandani-2020-03-23. >=20 > Kent // as shepherd and co-chair >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mar 9, 2020, at 6:30 PM, Kent Watsen = > wrote: >=20 > This message begins an almost two-week WGLC for = draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-04 ending on March 22nd (the day before = the NETMOD sessions). Here is a direct link to the HTML version of the = draft: >=20 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-04 >=20 > Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe it = is ready for publication", are welcome! This is useful and important, = even from authors. Objections, concerns, and suggestions are also = welcomed at this time. >=20 > Thank you, > NETMOD Chairs >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod From nobody Fri Mar 27 11:15:24 2020 Return-Path: <010001711d349b01-d87da5d4-0638-4d76-aaf2-a6b94d777685-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 245B83A0C71 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2020 11:15:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IAOojUUqdYbT for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2020 11:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a48-90.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a48-90.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.48.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F63C3A0BE2 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2020 11:15:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1585332919; h=From:Message-Id:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References:Feedback-ID; bh=RkEm97dPF+TC30+8mLHANaQj5d7rO8nPxn9i063YP3E=; b=g7IVE9sA8rqe2xQI+WfHA7ahcdXGpfLSDN98dg5AdduM3zkmsjd+A7PNp8PHYeeM duSzDGHFFQuywqLsgq6utfPCiMnw2pKz7iSjijDtREKgEgH0PKEZWpQMPQ8/hRFFWB7 H9ld1cCDhjWE7+1zBy41gxUMkxeUYjVenrW31JjU= From: Kent Watsen Message-ID: <010001711d349b01-d87da5d4-0638-4d76-aaf2-a6b94d777685-000000@email.amazonses.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_EF7F61E3-4B70-4DEE-B619-CBF6409D6D5B" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 18:15:19 +0000 In-Reply-To: Cc: "netmod@ietf.org" To: =?utf-8?Q?Bal=C3=A1zs_Lengyel?= References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.03.27-54.240.48.90 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] rfcstrip does not work on https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-12 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 18:15:22 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_EF7F61E3-4B70-4DEE-B619-CBF6409D6D5B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Balazs, > On Mar 27, 2020, at 1:36 PM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = wrote: >=20 > Hello, > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-12 = = contains a section with . Looking at -12, I see "=E2=80=9D (not ), is this = just a typo in your message? > However rfcstrip cannot extract this part. Is that a problem? It seems that the line is messed up: OLD: NEW: file "rfcfold" Fixes it. I=E2=80=99ll let the RFC Editor know - thanks! Kent // contributor=20 > Regards Balazs > =20 > --=20 > Balazs Lengyel Senior Specialist = Ericsson Hungary Ltd.=20 > Mobile: +36-70-330-7909 email: = Balazs.Lengyel@ericsson.com > =20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod = --Apple-Mail=_EF7F61E3-4B70-4DEE-B619-CBF6409D6D5B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi = Balazs,

On Mar 27, 2020, at 1:36 PM, Bal=C3=A1zs = Lengyel <balazs.lengyel=3D40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> = wrote:

Hello,
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-1= 2 contains a = section with <CODE BEGINS> <CODE = ENS>.

Looking at -12, I see "<CODE ENDS>=E2=80=9D = (not <CODE ENS>), is this just a typo in your = message?


However = rfcstrip cannot extract this part. Is that a = problem?

It = seems that the <CODE BEGINS> line is messed up:

OLD:
   <CODE = BEGINS>

NEW:
  =  <CODE BEGINS> file "rfcfold"

Fixes it.


I=E2=80=99ll let the RFC Editor know - = thanks!

Kent // = contributor 


Regards = Balazs
 
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Mobile: = +36-70-330-7909          = ;    email: Balazs.Lengyel@ericsson.com
 
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Thanks.

On Mar = 26, 2020, at 11:46 AM, Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net> wrote:

Dear All,

This WGLC has received zero responses, which is insufficient = to progress the document at this time.  The WGLC = is therefore being extended  for = another week, now ending April 1st (the day before our Virtual = Meeting on April 2nd).  

Again, positive = comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe it is ready for = publication", are welcomed.  This is useful and important, even = from authors.  Objections, concerns, and suggestions are also = welcomed at this time.

FWIW, the YANG Doctor review was completed on = 3/23 (thanks Mahesh) with the =E2=80=9CReady with Nits=E2=80=9D = status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-netmod-geo-locatio= n-04-yangdoctors-lc-jethanandani-2020-03-23.

Kent // as shepherd and co-chair



On Mar 9, 2020, at 6:30 PM, = Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net> wrote:

This = message begins an almost two-week WGLC for = draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-04 ending on March 22nd (the day before = the NETMOD sessions).  Here is a direct link to the HTML version of = the draft:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-04

Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed = this document and believe it is ready for publication", are welcome! =  This is useful and important, even from authors. Objections, = concerns, and suggestions are also welcomed at this time.

Thank you,
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= --Apple-Mail=_EF7F61E3-4B70-4DEE-B619-CBF6409D6D5B-- From nobody Fri Mar 27 11:32:55 2020 Return-Path: <010001711d441316-d15a4d9e-3ab3-4702-aacd-07f3f756ec8a-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 190E33A10A9 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2020 11:32:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FO3V3XyO7ku5 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2020 11:32:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a48-110.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a48-110.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.48.110]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D8753A0FE0 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2020 11:32:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1585333933; h=From:Message-Id:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References:Feedback-ID; bh=gqqB01TShX1SiP7VgHdCXnZXH34GF/MTwPBOvR00oyI=; b=gN/Rt1VJAYxH5eiIVoCE2uHbbHDkcTlzs8h8zZROeImtFpgB6sVzvDLvzqqaGBiI k9nZlAWhc3wzMgtocDeogybtXHFr07LD0/o2XdVhxeU9GBdxth+pE1ZEVAC95mYxEw/ mf+Bu1VSk2mXr9y97jdsYymocvO9HZsTDeqm6QWk= From: Kent Watsen Message-ID: <010001711d441316-d15a4d9e-3ab3-4702-aacd-07f3f756ec8a-000000@email.amazonses.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2080DF5C-8A70-478C-B4D2-7617644D0229" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 18:32:12 +0000 In-Reply-To: <4FC34FCE-02B7-4959-AFFD-4DE84F4389B4@chopps.org> Cc: tom petch , "netmod@ietf.org" To: Christian Hopps References: <01000170c16b721e-b5be8d27-8f4a-4355-9682-424f0dc5f337-000000@email.amazonses.com> <01000171182b030c-b715fdd4-0d1a-4373-a2b4-ba26e19b3232-000000@email.amazonses.com> <4FC34FCE-02B7-4959-AFFD-4DE84F4389B4@chopps.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.03.27-54.240.48.110 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] WGLC: draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-04 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 18:32:54 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_2080DF5C-8A70-478C-B4D2-7617644D0229 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Chris, >> Security Considerations does not use template (which other grouping = modules such as Kent's do) >=20 > I've pinged Kent for a pointer. The template Tom is referring to is from = https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8407#section-3.7.1. That said, I have always felt that this template is a starting point = that needs to be customized per YANG module (ideally, a separate = template instance for each module in the draft). For instance, if a = module defines no "notification=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Crpc" statements, it = is better for it to just say that instead of strictly following the = template and producing an empty list. For instance: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8572#section-9.15. (only defines = an rc:yang-data structure) https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8572#section-9.16 (only defines a = couple =E2=80=9Crpc=E2=80=9D statements) = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-tcp-client-server-04.html#s= ection-6 (only defines =E2=80=9Cgrouping=E2=80=9D) = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-tls-client-server-04.html#s= ection-5 (only defines =E2=80=9Cgrouping=E2=80=9D) Kent // contributor --Apple-Mail=_2080DF5C-8A70-478C-B4D2-7617644D0229 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Chris,

Security Considerations does not use template (which other = grouping modules such as Kent's do)

I've pinged Kent for a = pointer.

The = template Tom is referring to is from https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8407#section-3.7.1.

That said, I have always felt that this = template is a starting point that needs to be customized per YANG module = (ideally, a separate template instance for each module in the draft). =  For instance, if a module defines no "notification=E2=80=9D or = =E2=80=9Crpc" statements, it is better for it to just say that instead = of strictly following the template and producing an empty = list.

For instance:

<note: a separate template = instance per YANG module in draft>
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8572#section-9.15. (only = defines an rc:yang-data structure)
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8572#section-9.16 (only = defines a couple =E2=80=9Crpc=E2=80=9D statements)

<the following are = unpublished, so may not be perfect>
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-tls-client-serve= r-04.html#section-5 (only defines =E2=80=9Cgrouping=E2=80=9D)

Kent // contributor


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X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 28 Mar 2020 12:36:01.9894 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: cf8853ed-96e5-465b-9185-806bfe185e30 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: lSNuGcbbWdrm+JAtBX+goRZvDf8zttdyQstxBzHDf728pYZCLHLxpNZwnmSsePJNpch8O58+TuiGS4UPBjkI0A== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DB7PR07MB5000 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] WGLC: draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-04 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 12:36:08 -0000 From: Christian Hopps =0A= Sent: 27 March 2020 17:39=0A= =0A= > On Mar 27, 2020, at 1:09 PM, tom petch wrote:=0A= >=0A= > Kent=0A= >=0A= > Not Ready=0A= >=0A= > e.g.=0A= > IANA considerations does not register the namespace so there is no module= =0A= Will add.=0A= RFC8344 gets that right - note the reference to RFC6020=0A= =0A= > Security Considerations does not use template (which other grouping modul= es such as Kent's do)=0A= I've pinged Kent for a pointer.=0A= and Kent has responded=0A= =0A= > No YANG version=0A= This means it defaults to 1.0 I thought.=0A= RFC8407 template has 1.1 and says that that is a SHOULD=0A= =0A= > Wrong prefix for ietf-yang-types=0A= Will change the groupings use from "types" to "yang".=0A= yes please that is a MUST in RFC8407 =0A= =0A= > No reference clause for yang types=0A= Do you mean inside the import ietf-yang-types statement?=0A= yes that is a SHOULD in RFC8407=0A= =0A= > A wholesale lack of YANG reference clauses; perhaps half a dozen needed= =0A= I can see 2 places I might could put these, in the "astronomical-body" leaf= that references the IAU and in the "geodetic-system" for the default value= . We are creating an IANA registry for the values in geodetic-system though= so perhaps you are asking for an IANA reference instead? I don't see 4 mor= e obvious places for external references, could you help point them out?=0A= A good starting point is any reference in the body of the I-D should b= e in the YANG module too in a reference clause, such as www.iau.org, IS6709= , WGS84 and may be more than once for different description clauses. veloc= ity could include the formula or refer back to RFCXXXX perhaps timestamp to= o. RFC8344 has enough (but not too many IMHO).=0A= =0A= > No Normative reference for yang-types=0A= We add normative document references for imported modules that are not ment= ioned anywhere else in the actual document? I have no problem doing so, but= I haven't done that before.=0A= Normative reference for an import is MUST in RFC8407 and you will need= to add a reference in the body of the I-D to avoid unused reference; RFC83= 44 s.4 gets that right=0A= =0A= > Insufficient information for IANA - I infer they are being asked to creat= e a registry but details seem lacking compared to the requirements in RFC81= 26=0A= Thanks for pointing this out, I'll add this instead of waiting for IANA to = complain. :)=0A= Note the point about naming, a two tier structure with the top level b= eing key. Historically, many significant registries have been given unfort= unate names making the data scattered and hard to find (SNMP). Whether thi= s should be a top level on its own of whether it should fall under somethin= g more generic, such as orphan YANG registries, I would be interested to he= ar other views on.=0A= =0A= Tom Petch=0A= =0A= Thanks,=0A= Chris.=0A= =0A= >=0A= > At which point I stop and await a fresh revision before having another go= .=0A= >=0A= > Tom Petch=0A= >=0A= > ________________________________________=0A= > From: netmod on behalf of Kent Watsen =0A= > Sent: 26 March 2020 18:46=0A= >=0A= > Dear All,=0A= >=0A= > This WGLC has received zero responses, which is insufficient to progress = the document at this time. The WGLC is therefore being extended for anoth= er week, now ending April 1st (the day before our Virtual Meeting on April = 2nd).=0A= >=0A= > Again, positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe = it is ready for publication", are welcomed. This is useful and important, = even from authors. Objections, concerns, and suggestions are also welcomed= at this time.=0A= >=0A= > FWIW, the YANG Doctor review was completed on 3/23 (thanks Mahesh) with t= he =93Ready with Nits=94 status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ie= tf-netmod-geo-location-04-yangdoctors-lc-jethanandani-2020-03-23.=0A= >=0A= > Kent // as shepherd and co-chair=0A= >=0A= >=0A= >=0A= > On Mar 9, 2020, at 6:30 PM, Kent Watsen > wrote:=0A= >=0A= > This message begins an almost two-week WGLC for draft-ietf-netmod-geo-loc= ation-04 ending on March 22nd (the day before the NETMOD sessions). Here i= s a direct link to the HTML version of the draft:=0A= >=0A= > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-04=0A= >=0A= > Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe it is r= eady for publication", are welcome! This is useful and important, even fro= m authors. 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(2.3608.60.0.2.5) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] WGLC: draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-04 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 13:39:38 -0000 > On Mar 28, 2020, at 8:36 AM, tom petch wrote: >=20 >> A wholesale lack of YANG reference clauses; perhaps half a dozen = needed > I can see 2 places I might could put these, in the "astronomical-body" = leaf that references the IAU and in the "geodetic-system" for the = default value. We are creating an IANA registry for the values in = geodetic-system though so perhaps you are asking for an IANA reference = instead? I don't see 4 more obvious places for external references, = could you help point them out? > A good starting point is any reference in the body of the I-D = should be in the YANG module too in a reference clause, such as = www.iau.org, IS6709, WGS84 and may be more than once for different = description clauses. velocity could include the formula or refer back = to RFCXXXX perhaps timestamp too. RFC8344 has enough (but not too many = IMHO). I'll go through the doc, and see what else I might could add. A couple = points in the meantime though... Some of these references (non-normative) in the document are for the = comparisons to other work, and they point at other outside normative = definitions for similar objects. I think it would be wrong to put = references in the YANG module that point away from the definitive work = (this document) and towards some other normative standard. For velocity, referring back to the RFC that defines the module within = sub-statements of the module seems rather redundant. The reference at = the top of the module is the default reference for the module, if one = starts adding the same reference to module sub-statements where does it = end? Other than that, I'll comb through again to look for normative = references that aren't yet in the module, and also address your other = concerns in a follow up version of the document. Thanks for the review and comments! 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X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 23:18:16 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_02B74324-C9B1-4B8E-993D-09793192FD51 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Firstly, thank you for trying to improve our tooling! It took me some time to find, for others: = https://github.com/BalazsLengyel/rfcstrip = Running `rfcstrip -a` throws errors on MacOS. My workaround fix was to = ` brew install grep` and 's/grep/ggrep/' on line 483. All The extracted files (including the two that are NOT folded) contain = a =E2=80=98^@=E2=80=98 character at the EOF. This must be something = introduced by `rfcstrip` because `rfcfold` does a simple file-level copy = when unfolding isn't needed. Kent // contributor > On Mar 26, 2020, at 5:45 PM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = wrote: >=20 > Hello, > I created an update to rfcstrip in Github. >=20 > Revision 1.1balazs - 2020-03-26 > added -a option. If it is specified, the file must be an XML2RFC > XML file. > All artworks will be extracted from it if they carry a name attribute. > Artwork unfolding will also be executed. > If the artwork contains the , markers > they are removed. >=20 > Regards Balazs >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = =20 > Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 26., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 11:55 > To: Kent Watsen ; Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = > Cc: netmod@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [netmod] Where can I use ? >=20 > Hello Kent, > OK, as you are strongly opposed to it, I will remove = in the next version. > That said, I do not really agree with you. If interested see, below. > Regards Balazs >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: netmod On Behalf Of Kent Watsen > Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 25., szerda 18:25 > To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = > Cc: netmod@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netmod] Where can I use ? >=20 > Balazs, >=20 > While possible to use the markers for instance examples... >=20 > - they=E2=80=99ve never been used before, AFIAK (historical context) > BALAZS: S0 I am a revolutionary :-) =20 > As I understand validation of examples have always been an issue, so = making that more simple by automating extraction would be a step in the = good direction. > - they're unneeded, as examples don=E2=80=99t contain copyright (per = Lada=E2=80=99s comment) > BALAZS: I agree that copyright is a non-issue for these examples. = However is needed for another reason: easy extraction, = which would make checking the data simpler. > - they're disallowed by RFC 8407 for example modules (per Benoit = comment) > BALAZS: strictly speaking that is about YANG examples not instance = data examples. I also don't know/understand the reasoning behind it. A = separate example tag would be nice, but we don't have one. > - as a contributor, I don=E2=80=99t wish to birth a new convention of = using the markers for examples. =20 >=20 > In order to support programmatic extraction of examples from drafts, = please just set the =E2=80=9Cname=E2=80=9D attribute on the = or element in the XML draft.=20 > BALAZS: As far as I understand sourcecode is only available in XML2RFC = v3. Name is not handled by rfcstrip or xym. (I don't have time to = update the tools right now.) It would be nice to have an update to = rfcstrip that checks every and if it has a name attribute, it = extracts the content into a file called "name". >=20 >=20 > 2.48.2. "name" Attribute >=20 > A filename suitable for the contents (such as for extraction to a > local file). This attribute can be helpful for other kinds of tools > (such as automated syntax checkers, which work by extracting the > source code). Note that the "name" attribute does not need to be > unique for elements in a document. If multiple > elements have the same "name" attribute, a formatter > might assume that the elements are all fragments of a single file, > and such a formatter can collect those fragments for later > processing. >=20 >=20 > Kent >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Mar 24, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = wrote: >>=20 >> Hello, >> A reply from the rfc-editor on . It seems it is OK. >> Regards Balazs >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Alice Russo =20 >> Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 24., kedd 16:00 >> To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel >> Cc: RFC Editor >> Subject: Re: Where can I use ? >>=20 >> Greetings, >>=20 >> Please see below. >>=20 >>> On Mar 21, 2020, at 8:30 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hello, >>> Sorry if I am sending this question to the wrong person.=20 >>> We have a discussion in the NETMOD workgroup about when is it = appropriate/allowed to use the markings in = drafts and RFCs. >>> We regularly use it to bracket the YANG modules defined.=20 >>> e.g. file "ietf-yang-instance-data@2020-03-19.yang"=20= >>>=20 >>=20 >> Just FYI, if you are using the new XML vocabulary [1], the markers = can be created automatically by using markers=3D"true" >> -- for example -- >> >>=20 >>> However is it allowed to use it to bracket XML or json examples in = drafts/rfcs?=20 >>> e.g. file read-only-acm-rules@2020-03-19.xml >>=20 >> Yes, it is allowed. The markers and are = mentioned in the Trust Legal Provisions [2]. >>=20 >> [1] = https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=3D50261255-0cacc750-502652ce-861010b= c36ff-8b3716f9fa495535&q=3D1&e=3D11f6fa43-0168-4d1f-8f5d-bffd46fff0d3&u=3D= https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rfc-editor.org%2Fmaterials%2FFAQ-xml2rfcv3.html >> [2] https://trustee.ietf.org/license-info/IETF-TLP-5.htm (item 4d) >>=20 >> Thank you. >> RFC Editor/ar >>=20 >>>=20 >>> It is very handy that the rfcstrip tool can extract the CODE = sections from a draft which facilitates checking these by external tools = like yanglint. The checking is needed both for the YANG modules and the = examples. >>> If you as an rfc-editor could give guidance on the issue it would be = appreciated. I attached a planned draft. >>> Best regards Balazs Lengyel=20 >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> Balazs Lengyel Senior Specialist = Ericsson Hungary Ltd.=20 >>> Mobile: +36-70-330-7909 email: = Balazs.Lengyel@ericsson.com >>>=20 >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> netmod mailing list >> netmod@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod --Apple-Mail=_02B74324-C9B1-4B8E-993D-09793192FD51 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Firstly, thank you for trying to improve our = tooling!

It took me some time = to find, for others: https://github.com/BalazsLengyel/rfcstrip

Running `rfcstrip -a` = throws errors on MacOS.  My workaround fix was to ` brew install = grep` and 's/grep/ggrep/' on line 483.

All The extracted files (including the = two that are NOT folded) contain a =E2=80=98^@=E2=80=98 character at the = EOF.   This must be something introduced by `rfcstrip` because = `rfcfold` does a simple file-level copy when unfolding isn't = needed.

Kent = // contributor


On Mar 26, 2020, at 5:45 PM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel=3D40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> = wrote:

Hello,
I created an update to rfcstrip in = Github.

Revision 1.1balazs - 2020-03-26
added -a option. If it is specified, the file must be an = XML2RFC
XML file.
All artworks will be = extracted from it if they carry a name attribute.
Artwork = unfolding will also be executed.
If the artwork contains = the , <CODE BEGIN/END> markers
they are removed.

Regards Balazs

-----Original Message-----
From: Bal=C3=A1zs = Lengyel <balazs.lengyel=3D40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 26., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k = 11:55
To: Kent Watsen <kent@watsen.net>; Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>
Cc: netmod@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [netmod] Where can I use <CODE BEGINS> = <CODE ENDS> ?

Hello Kent,
OK, as you are strongly opposed to it, I will remove <CODE = BEGINS> <CODE ENDS> in the next version.
That = said, I do not really agree with you. If interested see, below.
Regards Balazs

-----Original = Message-----
From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Kent Watsen
Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 25., szerda 18:25
To: = Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel=3D40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Cc: netmod@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [netmod] Where = can I use <CODE BEGINS> <CODE ENDS> ?

Balazs,

While possible to use = the markers for instance examples...

=  - they=E2=80=99ve never been used before, AFIAK  (historical = context)
BALAZS: S0 I am a revolutionary :-)  
As I understand validation of examples have always been an = issue, so making that more simple by automating extraction would be a = step in the good direction.
 - they're unneeded, as = examples don=E2=80=99t contain copyright (per Lada=E2=80=99s comment)
BALAZS: I agree that copyright is a non-issue for these = examples. However <CODE BEGINS> is needed for another reason: easy = extraction, which would make checking the data simpler.
=  - they're disallowed by RFC 8407 for example modules (per Benoit = comment)
BALAZS: strictly speaking that is about YANG = examples not instance data examples. I also don't know/understand the = reasoning behind it. A separate example tag would be nice, but we don't = have one.
 - as a contributor, I don=E2=80=99t wish = to birth a new convention of using the markers for examples.  

In order to support programmatic extraction of = examples from drafts, please just set the =E2=80=9Cname=E2=80=9D = attribute on the <sourcecode> or <artwork> element in the = XML draft.
BALAZS: As far as I understand sourcecode is = only available in XML2RFC v3.  Name is not handled by rfcstrip or = xym. (I don't have time to update the tools right now.) It would be nice = to have an update to rfcstrip that checks every <artwork> and if = it has a name attribute, it extracts the content into a file called = "name".


2.48.2.  "name" = Attribute

  A filename suitable = for the contents (such as for extraction to a
=   local file).  This attribute can be helpful for other = kinds of tools
  (such as automated syntax = checkers, which work by extracting the
  source = code).  Note that the "name" attribute does not need to be
  unique for <artwork> elements in a = document.  If multiple
=   <sourcecode> elements have the same "name" attribute, = a formatter
  might assume that the elements = are all fragments of a single file,
  and such = a formatter can collect those fragments for later
=   processing.


Kent




On Mar = 24, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel=3D40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> = wrote:

Hello,
A reply from = the rfc-editor on <CODE BEGINS>. It seems it is OK.
Regards Balazs

-----Original = Message-----
From: Alice Russo <arusso@amsl.com>
Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 24., kedd 16:00
To: = Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>
Cc: RFC = Editor <rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org>
Subject: Re: = Where can I use <CODE BEGINS> <CODE ENDS> ?

Greetings,

Please see below.

On Mar = 21, 2020, at 8:30 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> wrote:

Hello,
Sorry if I am sending this question to = the wrong person.
We have a discussion in the NETMOD = workgroup about when is it appropriate/allowed to use the <CODE = BEGINS> <CODE ENDS> markings in drafts and RFCs.
We= regularly use it to bracket the YANG modules defined.
e.g.=    <CODE BEGINS> file "ietf-yang-instance-data@2020-03-19.yang"

Just FYI, if you are using the = new XML vocabulary [1], the markers can be created automatically by = using markers=3D"true"
-- for example --
<sourcecode name=3D"ietf-yang-instance-data@2020-03-19.yang" type=3D"yang" = markers=3D"true">

However is it allowed to use it to bracket XML = or json examples in drafts/rfcs?
e.g. =    <CODE BEGINS> file read-only-acm-rules@2020-03-19.xml

Yes, it is allowed. The markers = <CODE BEGINS> and <CODE ENDS> are mentioned in the Trust = Legal Provisions [2].

[1] https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=3D50261255-0cacc750-50265= 2ce-861010bc36ff-8b3716f9fa495535&q=3D1&e=3D11f6fa43-0168-4d1f-8f5= d-bffd46fff0d3&u=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.rfc-editor.org%2Fmaterials%2FFAQ-= xml2rfcv3.html
[2] https://trustee.ietf.org/license-info/IETF-TLP-5.htm = (item 4d)

Thank you.
RFC = Editor/ar


It is very handy that the rfcstrip tool can = extract the CODE sections from a draft which facilitates checking these = by external tools like yanglint. The checking is needed both for the = YANG modules and the examples.
If you as an rfc-editor = could give guidance on the issue it would be appreciated. I attached a = planned draft.
Best regards Balazs Lengyel

--
Balazs Lengyel =             &n= bsp;      Senior Specialist =             &n= bsp;         Ericsson = Hungary Ltd.
Mobile: +36-70-330-7909 =             &n= bsp;email: = Balazs.Lengyel@ericsson.com

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perhaps half a dozen needed= =0A= > I can see 2 places I might could put these, in the "astronomical-body" le= af that references the IAU and in the "geodetic-system" for the default val= ue. We are creating an IANA registry for the values in geodetic-system thou= gh so perhaps you are asking for an IANA reference instead? I don't see 4 m= ore obvious places for external references, could you help point them out?= =0A= > A good starting point is any reference in the body of the I-D should= be in the YANG module too in a reference clause, such as www.iau.org, IS67= 09, WGS84 and may be more than once for different description clauses. vel= ocity could include the formula or refer back to RFCXXXX perhaps timestamp = too. RFC8344 has enough (but not too many IMHO).=0A= =0A= I'll go through the doc, and see what else I might could add. A couple poin= ts in the meantime though...=0A= =0A= Some of these references (non-normative) in the document are for the compar= isons to other work, and they point at other outside normative definitions = for similar objects. I think it would be wrong to put references in the YAN= G module that point away from the definitive work (this document) and towar= ds some other normative standard.=0A= =0A= For velocity, referring back to the RFC that defines the module within sub-= statements of the module seems rather redundant. The reference at the top o= f the module is the default reference for the module, if one starts adding = the same reference to module sub-statements where does it end?=0A= =0A= =0A= Christian=0A= Think of an operator trouble shooting a velocity-related incident. The YAN= G module is readily available and the description clause and any other part= of the leaf definition is on the screen. If that is all, and it is not en= ough, then the operator has to =0A= - pull up the entire YANG module=0A= - scroll to the top and find the RFC from which the module was extracted= =0A= - pull up the RFC and search it in its entirety=0A= Contrast that with a YANG reference clause that says RFC XXXX s.2.3 which t= he OAM system may already have as a URL.=0A= Likewise if the authority for syntax, semantics etc is a third party such a= s IAU, then better the reference clause takes the user straight there.=0A= I think that the description clauses are good, often they are too thin, but= sometimes more detail is wanted and that is where the YANG reference claus= e comes to the fore.=0A= YANG modules need to be user-friendly when stand-alone.=0A= Tom Petch=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Other than that, I'll comb through again to look for normative references t= hat aren't yet in the module, and also address your other concerns in a fol= low up version of the document.=0A= =0A= Thanks for the review and comments!=0A= =0A= Chris.=0A= From nobody Mon Mar 30 00:56:32 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E09A23A1018 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 00:56:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=ackl-io.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ieFW3tgj7c5G for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 00:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm1-x32f.google.com (mail-wm1-x32f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B573D3A1014 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 00:56:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x32f.google.com with SMTP id r16so1043571wmg.5 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 00:56:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ackl-io.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=7d9s9+LvHOZXl2/efzLhrfB+dv/ZOPir6sJQGEmAr9g=; b=cTi4U1fWk0+6GghiJO4vPLYqssPCh6XCbqIT298c51h6uzzc6tMlztZZUD16vy1Mka bmV7/jQWhhlV51Y6A8maUxRTOBokwpUvSx07A8WdR0ImqImA2xXSPErWSWQnbFnO9nsb lQvObRTS+F9MXtD09E+FPJMHiA9a0g7WB7A6zh1mxWJTnW5YQfIuvnrgPSx0FX6FAhT+ bOPctaNfOSazKULSDiNcobwV9wV2nXQDvSNkzD7hhN6c+tsezPucZORrZT2rI+EwR4Ur V1yJUNZ2L2rqL7auN0lBQwgrRLUlH8Uyt59+X6kipf4dE7VcaTwOSZPYPcxDC3x1HsH7 JWPg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=7d9s9+LvHOZXl2/efzLhrfB+dv/ZOPir6sJQGEmAr9g=; b=U37fDDt3O8LhX8aLyjTz1LjjlU+GN0/CVpDUeNQuTRQ+pBN33SewW+Py7rEe62OEGo +YDa7LplkqG3C5voT5eZdjjp/FYLzPw3H/R08ivhpDTQMOO4v/Z8e9COWpF6Aj0IqidW lxRTzWgddr0ktpjMvMqi6Q52UNnyB1fy9d4owXCijIUrXGAKAS0bdOlMtrBsHaUqn9kJ vAgxo4a8o7BuavoUUm7LGiwPgNHGBsqEj3EECzsgm2dftw2DHBmpvMYJJbDwLfD6S3mY eMz50JkKljA/baVRl+p/WCl/Zl7F7QZodcDgy/dd1c+pjXROurQmw1J8inQ9eyEwgEp9 s9WQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ANhLgQ26I61ZIS4RyZpBwl7BVYKimmnmu3QHe/N7W4/mbFeQkzjexoJS m3n4qToPhPJoZeU1IJcDPJIRt+ea8/CxHF5EDGqXSCJx X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADFU+vvNJT0HfZZerBa4x/y0RSZnd1nWCfpjbZjFGu6nkvqu3Qujcq7Q6EWfdxJ4oTme6K9LsgKpNPPYlRpEGFOa/lw= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:56d5:: with SMTP id k204mr12528088wmb.13.1585554986853; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 00:56:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9AD3C4BB-7965-4776-84C4-6B5BFDCAA262@tzi.org> <15C8F1D1-B560-4D52-8D77-377C6B1C0518@tzi.org> In-Reply-To: <15C8F1D1-B560-4D52-8D77-377C6B1C0518@tzi.org> From: Ivaylo Petrov Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 09:56:00 +0200 Message-ID: To: "core@ietf.org WG" Cc: netmod@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c3794005a20dc9e3" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] =?utf-8?b?W2NvcmVdIPCflJQgV0cgTGFzdCBDYWxsIG9mIENPUkVD?= =?utf-8?q?ONF_drafts=3A_draft-ietf-core-yang-cbor-12=2C_-sid-11=2C_-comi-?= =?utf-8?q?09=2C_-yang-library-01?= X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 07:56:31 -0000 --000000000000c3794005a20dc9e3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, I have reviewed those documents and I believe they are ready for publication. Best regards, Ivaylo On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 2:05 PM Carsten Bormann wrote: > It took us a long time to get the four CORECONF drafts in sync, > but now we are ready for WGLC. > > This starts a working group last call for > =E2=80=94 draft-ietf-core-yang-cbor-12 > =E2=80=94 draft-ietf-core-sid-11 > =E2=80=94 draft-ietf-core-comi-09 > =E2=80=94 draft-ietf-core-yang-library-01 > > ending on > > 24:00 UTC on Tuesday, March 31, 2020. > > (This includes some extra time for the IETF week and for cross-WG > coordination.) > > This WGLC is copied to the netmod WG mailing list; please do have a look > at these drafts as they are slated to become a part of the greater > YANG/NETCONF/RESTCONF family. We intend the discussion to be on the > CoRE mailing list, but if you find a fundamental issue with YANG or > RESTCONF, feel free to discuss that on netmod instead. > > Please start a new email thread for each major issue that will need > discussion and make sure the subject line includes the draft name and > some sort of name for the issue. (Minor issues such as typos can also > be sent to the authors.) > > If you read the draft and think it looks fine, please send a one line > email to the list or to the chairs letting us know that so we can get > a feel of how broad the review has been. > > (To reviewers and authors:) If you are aware of any patent claims that > might apply to systems that implement these drafts, please review BCP 78 > and BCP 79 and make any appropriate IPR declaration before the last-call > ends. If you are not sure whether you need to make a declaration or not, > please talk to the chairs and we will help. > > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > > _______________________________________________ > core mailing list > core@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/core > --000000000000c3794005a20dc9e3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear all,

I have= reviewed those documents and I believe they are ready for publication.

Best regards,
Ivaylo
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On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 2:05 PM Cars= ten Bormann <cabo@tzi.= org> wrote:
It took us a long time to get the four CORECONF drafts in sync,
but now we are ready for WGLC.

This starts a working group last call for
=E2=80=94 draft-ietf-core-yang-cbor-12
=E2=80=94 draft-ietf-core-sid-11
=E2=80=94 draft-ietf-core-comi-09
=E2=80=94 draft-ietf-core-yang-library-01

ending on

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 24:00 UTC on Tuesday, March 31, 2020.

(This includes some extra time for the IETF week and for cross-WG
coordination.)

This WGLC is copied to the netmod WG mailing list; please do have a look at these drafts as they are slated to become a part of the greater
YANG/NETCONF/RESTCONF family.=C2=A0 We intend the discussion to be on the CoRE mailing list, but if you find a fundamental issue with YANG or
RESTCONF, feel free to discuss that on netmod instead.

Please start a new email thread for each major issue that will need
discussion and make sure the subject line includes the draft name and
some sort of name for the issue.=C2=A0 (Minor issues such as typos can also=
be sent to the authors.)

If you read the draft and think it looks fine, please send a one line
email to the list or to the chairs letting us know that so we can get
a feel of how broad the review has been.

(To reviewers and authors:)=C2=A0 If you are aware of any patent claims tha= t
might apply to systems that implement these drafts, please review BCP 78 and BCP 79 and make any appropriate IPR declaration before the last-call ends. If you are not sure whether you need to make a declaration or not, please talk to the chairs and we will help.

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten

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Mon, 30 Mar 2020 12:23:06 +0200 To: Kent Watsen , =?UTF-8?Q?Bal=c3=a1zs_Lengyel?= Cc: "netmod@ietf.org" References: <010001711d349b01-d87da5d4-0638-4d76-aaf2-a6b94d777685-000000@email.amazonses.com> From: Erik Auerswald Message-ID: <70e30e73-983c-8c60-d7dc-4ae863363fe2@unix-ag.uni-kl.de> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 12:22:55 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <010001711d349b01-d87da5d4-0638-4d76-aaf2-a6b94d777685-000000@email.amazonses.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] rfcstrip does not work on https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-12 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 10:23:15 -0000 Hi Kent, Balázs, On 27.03.20 19:15, Kent Watsen wrote: >> On Mar 27, 2020, at 1:36 PM, Balázs Lengyel wrote: >> >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-12 contains a section with . > > Looking at -12, I see "” (not ), is this just a typo in your message? > >> However rfcstrip cannot extract this part. Is that a problem? > > It seems that the line is messed up: > > OLD: > > > NEW: > file "rfcfold" > > Fixes it. Do you know of a written explanation on how to use the ... markers? I tried to find one without success. I found only usage hints, and the licensing connection. RFC 8407 says: The "" tag SHOULD be followed by a string identifying the file name specified in Section 5.2 of [RFC7950]." The predecessor RFC 6087 contains similar text. Thus it seems the netmod WG convention is to specify a file name. The rfcstrip utility mentioned in RFC 8407 requires the file name, although the file name seems to be optional. But some RFCs do not specify a file name for code sections. Some random examples are RFC 5662, RFC 6287, RFC 7861, and RFC 8290. Those are from WGs other than netmod, though. 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References: In-Reply-To: From: Laurent Toutain Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 14:25:44 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: "core@ietf.org WG" , "netmod@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000023d02605a2118f8e" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] =?utf-8?b?W2NvcmVdIPCflJQgV0cgTGFzdCBDYWxsIG9mIENPUkVD?= =?utf-8?q?ONF_drafts=3A_draft-ietf-core-yang-cbor-12=2C_-sid-11=2C_-comi-?= =?utf-8?q?09=2C_-yang-library-01_/_-sid-11_review?= X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 12:26:31 -0000 --00000000000023d02605a2118f8e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I've uses these drafts, mainly -sid, -cbor, -comi, when I was defining the SCHC Data Model to study the impact of CORECONF on the serialization. For me, it is a mature work describing CORECONF. Documents are clear with examples. I looked at the diff for the latest versions and I don't see any significant changes, so for me, these documents are ready. Laurent On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 1:18 PM Esko Dijk wrote: > Hello CoRE, > > I did a quick review of the -sid-11 draft; it looks ready for publication= . > Some minor issues found : > > Reference to RFC 7120 early allocation procedure: the allocation policies > for the registries are all "Expert review". And the RFC 7120 early > allocation procedure is defined, to do early allocations. However RFC 712= 0 > mentions that this procedure only applies in case : > (Section 2) > a. The code points must be from a space designated as "RFC > Required", "IETF Review", or "Standards Action". Additionally, > requests for early assignment of code points from a > "Specification Required" registry are allowed if the > specification will be published as an RFC. > So at first sight it looks like the procedure is not applicable, taken > strictly. However IANA indicates ( > https://www.iana.org/help/protocol-registration) that "Expert review" is > part of "Specification Required" so it would apply still. But in RFC 8126 > this is not mentioned in the same manner - so it could confuse some reade= rs > about whether it applies or not. Maybe some text could be added to state > why RFC 7120 process does apply to the "Expert review" policy, even thoug= h > "Expert review" is not listed under Section 2 point a. of RFC 7120. (Not= e > that early allocation by RFC 7120 only applies to "Expert review" > allocations for draft documents that aim to become RFC.) > > Section 6.3.3: table column 1 is very narrow and it breaks the entry poin= t > integer number, which is confusing. Why not make this column wider by one > character? One of the last 2 columns can be made more narrow if needed. > > Section 3: "RESCONF" -> RESTCONF > > Section 3: CoRECONF -> CORECONF > > Section 3: "For example how this could be achieved, please refer to" > -> For examples on how this could be achieved, please refer to > > Section 3: "For diagram of one" > -> For a diagram of one ... > > Best regards > > Esko > > IoTconsultancy.nl | Email/Skype: esko.dijk@iotconsultancy.nl > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: core On Behalf Of Carsten Bormann > Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 14:05 > To: core > Cc: netmod@ietf.org > Subject: [core] =F0=9F=94=94 WG Last Call of CORECONF drafts: > draft-ietf-core-yang-cbor-12, -sid-11, -comi-09, -yang-library-01 > > It took us a long time to get the four CORECONF drafts in sync, > but now we are ready for WGLC. > > This starts a working group last call for > =E2=80=94 draft-ietf-core-yang-cbor-12 > =E2=80=94 draft-ietf-core-sid-11 > =E2=80=94 draft-ietf-core-comi-09 > =E2=80=94 draft-ietf-core-yang-library-01 > > ending on > > 24:00 UTC on Tuesday, March 31, 2020. > > (This includes some extra time for the IETF week and for cross-WG > coordination.) > > This WGLC is copied to the netmod WG mailing list; please do have a look > at these drafts as they are slated to become a part of the greater > YANG/NETCONF/RESTCONF family. We intend the discussion to be on the > CoRE mailing list, but if you find a fundamental issue with YANG or > RESTCONF, feel free to discuss that on netmod instead. > > Please start a new email thread for each major issue that will need > discussion and make sure the subject line includes the draft name and > some sort of name for the issue. (Minor issues such as typos can also > be sent to the authors.) > > If you read the draft and think it looks fine, please send a one line > email to the list or to the chairs letting us know that so we can get > a feel of how broad the review has been. > > (To reviewers and authors:) If you are aware of any patent claims that > might apply to systems that implement these drafts, please review BCP 78 > and BCP 79 and make any appropriate IPR declaration before the last-call > ends. If you are not sure whether you need to make a declaration or not, > please talk to the chairs and we will help. > > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > > _______________________________________________ > core mailing list > core@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/core > _______________________________________________ > core mailing list > core@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/core > --=20 Laurent Toutain +--- VoIP (recommended) ---+----------- T=C3=A9l=C3=A9com Bretagne --------= ---+ | Tel: +33 2 22 06 8156 | Tel: + 33 2 99 12 7026 | Visit : | Mob: +33 6 800 75 900 | | | Fax: +33 2 22 06 8445 | Fax: +33 2 99 12 7030 | http://class.touta.in | Laurent@Touta.in | Laurent.Toutain@Telecom-Bretagne.eu | +--------------------------+----------------------------------------+ --00000000000023d02605a2118f8e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I've uses these draf= ts, mainly -sid, -cbor, -comi, when I was defining the SCHC Data Model to s= tudy the impact of CORECONF on the serialization.
For me, it= is a mature work describing CORECONF. Documents are clear with examples. I= looked at the diff for the latest versions and I don't see
<= div>any significant changes, so for me, these documents are ready.

Laurent

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 1:18 PM Esko Dijk= <esko.= dijk@iotconsultancy.nl> wrote:
Hello CoRE,

I did a quick review of the -sid-11 draft; it looks ready for publication. = Some minor issues found :

Reference to RFC 7120 early allocation procedure: the allocation policies f= or the registries are all "Expert review". And the RFC 7120 early= allocation procedure is defined, to do early allocations. However RFC 7120= mentions that this procedure only applies in case :
=C2=A0 =C2=A0(Section 2)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0a. The code points must be from a space designated as "RF= C
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Required", "IETF Review", or &quo= t;Standards Action".=C2=A0 Additionally,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0requests for early assignment of code points fro= m a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"Specification Required" registry are = allowed if the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0specification will be published as an RFC.
So at first sight it looks like the procedure is not applicable, taken stri= ctly. However IANA indicates (https://www.iana.org/he= lp/protocol-registration) that "Expert review" is part of &qu= ot;Specification Required" so it would apply still. But in RFC 8126 th= is is not mentioned in the same manner - so it could confuse some readers a= bout whether it applies or not. Maybe some text could be added to state why= RFC 7120 process does apply to the "Expert review" policy, even = though "Expert review" is not listed under Section 2 point a. of = RFC 7120.=C2=A0 (Note that early allocation by RFC 7120 only applies to &qu= ot;Expert review" allocations for draft documents that aim to become R= FC.)

Section 6.3.3: table column 1 is very narrow and it breaks the entry point = integer number, which is confusing. Why not make this column wider by one c= haracter? One of the last 2 columns can be made more narrow if needed.

Section 3: "RESCONF" -> RESTCONF

Section 3: CoRECONF -> CORECONF

Section 3: "For example how this could be achieved, please refer to&qu= ot;
-> For examples on how this could be achieved, please refer to

Section 3: "For diagram of one"
-> For a diagram of one ...

Best regards

Esko

IoTconsultancy.nl=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 Email/Skype: esko.dijk@iotconsultancy.nl



-----Original Message-----
From: core <c= ore-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Carsten Bormann
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 14:05
To: core <core@ietf.o= rg>
Cc: netmod@ietf.org
Subject: [core] =F0=9F=94=94 WG Last Call of CORECONF drafts: draft-ietf-co= re-yang-cbor-12, -sid-11, -comi-09, -yang-library-01

It took us a long time to get the four CORECONF drafts in sync,
but now we are ready for WGLC.

This starts a working group last call for
=E2=80=94 draft-ietf-core-yang-cbor-12
=E2=80=94 draft-ietf-core-sid-11
=E2=80=94 draft-ietf-core-comi-09
=E2=80=94 draft-ietf-core-yang-library-01

ending on

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 24:00 UTC on Tuesday, March 31, 2020.

(This includes some extra time for the IETF week and for cross-WG
coordination.)

This WGLC is copied to the netmod WG mailing list; please do have a look at these drafts as they are slated to become a part of the greater
YANG/NETCONF/RESTCONF family.=C2=A0 We intend the discussion to be on the CoRE mailing list, but if you find a fundamental issue with YANG or
RESTCONF, feel free to discuss that on netmod instead.

Please start a new email thread for each major issue that will need
discussion and make sure the subject line includes the draft name and
some sort of name for the issue.=C2=A0 (Minor issues such as typos can also=
be sent to the authors.)

If you read the draft and think it looks fine, please send a one line
email to the list or to the chairs letting us know that so we can get
a feel of how broad the review has been.

(To reviewers and authors:)=C2=A0 If you are aware of any patent claims tha= t
might apply to systems that implement these drafts, please review BCP 78 and BCP 79 and make any appropriate IPR declaration before the last-call ends. If you are not sure whether you need to make a declaration or not, please talk to the chairs and we will help.

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten

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- rfcstrip X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 16:10:33 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_01A0_01D606BE.7C6F4C30 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_01A1_01D606BE.7C6F4C30" ------=_NextPart_001_01A1_01D606BE.7C6F4C30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Kent,=20 Sorry for not providing a clear pointer to my work. As you have already = found it, I just include it here for reference to others: = https://github.com/BalazsLengyel/rfcstrip=20 I assume ggrep is the gnu grep ? Maybe we should make that a variable = for grep like we have for AWK=3Dawk I do not see the additional ^@ at EOF. I tested it on cygwin, which is = mostly GNU compatible. This is how my file ends =20 3c 2f 69 6e 73 74 61 6e 63 65 2d 64 61 74 61 2d 73 65 74 3e 00 ---- = Regards Balazs =20 From: Kent Watsen =20 Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 29., vas=C3=A1rnap 0:18 To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel Cc: netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] Where can I use ? =20 Firstly, thank you for trying to improve our tooling! =20 It took me some time to find, for others: = https://github.com/BalazsLengyel/rfcstrip =20 Running `rfcstrip -a` throws errors on MacOS. My workaround fix was to = ` brew install grep` and 's/grep/ggrep/' on line 483. =20 All The extracted files (including the two that are NOT folded) contain = a =E2=80=98^@=E2=80=98 character at the EOF. This must be something = introduced by `rfcstrip` because `rfcfold` does a simple file-level copy = when unfolding isn't needed. =20 Kent // contributor =20 On Mar 26, 2020, at 5:45 PM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = > wrote: =20 Hello, I created an update to rfcstrip in Github. Revision 1.1balazs - 2020-03-26 added -a option. If it is specified, the file must be an XML2RFC XML file. All artworks will be extracted from it if they carry a name attribute. Artwork unfolding will also be executed. If the artwork contains the , markers they are removed. Regards Balazs -----Original Message----- From: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = >=20 Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 26., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 11:55 To: Kent Watsen >; Bal=C3=A1zs = Lengyel > Cc: netmod@ietf.org =20 Subject: RE: [netmod] Where can I use ? Hello Kent, OK, as you are strongly opposed to it, I will remove in the next version. That said, I do not really agree with you. If interested see, below. Regards Balazs -----Original Message----- From: netmod > = On Behalf Of Kent Watsen Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 25., szerda 18:25 To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel > Cc: netmod@ietf.org =20 Subject: Re: [netmod] Where can I use ? Balazs, While possible to use the markers for instance examples... - they=E2=80=99ve never been used before, AFIAK (historical context) BALAZS: S0 I am a revolutionary :-) =20 As I understand validation of examples have always been an issue, so = making that more simple by automating extraction would be a step in the = good direction. - they're unneeded, as examples don=E2=80=99t contain copyright (per = Lada=E2=80=99s comment) BALAZS: I agree that copyright is a non-issue for these examples. = However is needed for another reason: easy extraction, = which would make checking the data simpler. - they're disallowed by RFC 8407 for example modules (per Benoit = comment) BALAZS: strictly speaking that is about YANG examples not instance data = examples. I also don't know/understand the reasoning behind it. A = separate example tag would be nice, but we don't have one. - as a contributor, I don=E2=80=99t wish to birth a new convention of = using the markers for examples. =20 In order to support programmatic extraction of examples from drafts, = please just set the =E2=80=9Cname=E2=80=9D attribute on the = or element in the XML draft.=20 BALAZS: As far as I understand sourcecode is only available in XML2RFC = v3. Name is not handled by rfcstrip or xym. (I don't have time to = update the tools right now.) It would be nice to have an update to = rfcstrip that checks every and if it has a name attribute, it = extracts the content into a file called "name". 2.48.2. "name" Attribute A filename suitable for the contents (such as for extraction to a local file). This attribute can be helpful for other kinds of tools (such as automated syntax checkers, which work by extracting the source code). Note that the "name" attribute does not need to be unique for elements in a document. If multiple elements have the same "name" attribute, a formatter might assume that the elements are all fragments of a single file, and such a formatter can collect those fragments for later processing. Kent On Mar 24, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = > wrote: Hello, A reply from the rfc-editor on . It seems it is OK. Regards Balazs -----Original Message----- From: Alice Russo >=20 Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 24., kedd 16:00 To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel > Cc: RFC Editor > Subject: Re: Where can I use ? Greetings, Please see below. On Mar 21, 2020, at 8:30 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = > = wrote: Hello, Sorry if I am sending this question to the wrong person.=20 We have a discussion in the NETMOD workgroup about when is it = appropriate/allowed to use the markings in = drafts and RFCs. We regularly use it to bracket the YANG modules defined.=20 e.g. file "ietf-yang-instance-data@2020-03-19.yang = "=20 Just FYI, if you are using the new XML vocabulary [1], the markers can = be created automatically by using markers=3D"true" -- for example -- " type=3D"yang" = markers=3D"true"> However is it allowed to use it to bracket XML or json examples in = drafts/rfcs?=20 e.g. file read-only-acm-rules@2020-03-19.xml = =20 Yes, it is allowed. The markers and are = mentioned in the Trust Legal Provisions [2]. [1] = https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=3D50261255-0cacc750-502652ce-861010= bc36ff-8b3716f9fa495535 = = &q=3D1&e=3D11f6fa43-0168-4d1f-8f5d-bffd46fff0d3&u=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.rfc= -editor.org%2Fmaterials%2FFAQ-xml2rfcv3.html [2] https://trustee.ietf.org/license-info/IETF-TLP-5.htm (item 4d) Thank you. RFC Editor/ar It is very handy that the rfcstrip tool can extract the CODE sections = from a draft which facilitates checking these by external tools like = yanglint. The checking is needed both for the YANG modules and the = examples. If you as an rfc-editor could give guidance on the issue it would be = appreciated. I attached a planned draft. Best regards Balazs Lengyel=20 --=20 Balazs Lengyel Senior Specialist = Ericsson Hungary Ltd.=20 Mobile: +36-70-330-7909 email: Balazs.Lengyel@ericsson.com = =20 _______________________________________________ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org =20 https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod _______________________________________________ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org =20 https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod _______________________________________________ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org =20 https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod =20 ------=_NextPart_001_01A1_01D606BE.7C6F4C30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello = Kent,

Sorry for not providing a = clear pointer to my work. As you have already found it, I just include = it here for reference to others: = https://github.com/BalazsLengyel/rfcstrip

I assume ggrep is the gnu grep ? Maybe we should make = that a variable for grep like we have for AWK=3Dawk

I do not see the additional ^@ at EOF. =C2=A0I tested = it on cygwin, which is mostly GNU compatible.

This is how my file ends

 

3c 2f 69 6e = 73 74 61 6e 63 65 2d 64 61 74 61 2d 73 65 74 3e 00 ---- = </instance-data-set>

Regards = Balazs

 

From: Kent Watsen = <kent+ietf@watsen.net>
Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 29., = vas=C3=A1rnap 0:18
To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>
Cc: = netmod@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [netmod] Where can I use <CODE = BEGINS> <CODE ENDS> ?

 

Firstly, thank you for trying to improve our = tooling!

 

It = took me some time to find, for others: https://github.com/Bal= azsLengyel/rfcstrip

 

Running `rfcstrip -a` throws errors on MacOS.  My = workaround fix was to ` brew install grep` and 's/grep/ggrep/' on = line 483.

 

All The extracted files (including the two that are = NOT folded) contain a =E2=80=98^@=E2=80=98 character at the EOF.   = This must be something introduced by `rfcstrip` because `rfcfold` does a = simple file-level copy when unfolding isn't = needed.

 

Kent // contributor

 



On Mar 26, 2020, at 5:45 PM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = <balazs.len= gyel=3D40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> = wrote:

 

Hello,
I created an update to rfcstrip in = Github.

Revision 1.1balazs - 2020-03-26
added -a option. If it = is specified, the file must be an XML2RFC
XML file.
All artworks = will be extracted from it if they carry a name attribute.
Artwork = unfolding will also be executed.
If the artwork contains the , = <CODE BEGIN/END> markers
they are removed.

Regards = Balazs

-----Original Message-----
From: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = <balazs.len= gyel=3D40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: 2020. = m=C3=A1rcius 26., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 11:55
To: Kent Watsen = <kent@watsen.net>; = Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>
Cc: netmod@ietf.org
Subject: RE: = [netmod] Where can I use <CODE BEGINS> <CODE ENDS> = ?

Hello Kent,
OK, as you are strongly opposed to it, I will = remove <CODE BEGINS> <CODE ENDS> in the next = version.
That said, I do not really agree with you. If interested = see, below.
Regards Balazs

-----Original Message-----
From: = netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> = On Behalf Of Kent Watsen
Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 25., szerda = 18:25
To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.len= gyel=3D40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Cc: netmod@ietf.org
Subject: Re: = [netmod] Where can I use <CODE BEGINS> <CODE ENDS> = ?

Balazs,

While possible to use the markers for instance = examples...

 - they=E2=80=99ve never been used before, AFIAK =  (historical context)
BALAZS: S0 I am a revolutionary :-) =  
As I understand validation of examples have always been an = issue, so making that more simple by automating extraction would be a = step in the good direction.
 - they're unneeded, as examples = don=E2=80=99t contain copyright (per Lada=E2=80=99s comment)
BALAZS: = I agree that copyright is a non-issue for these examples. However = <CODE BEGINS> is needed for another reason: easy extraction, which = would make checking the data simpler.
 - they're disallowed by = RFC 8407 for example modules (per Benoit comment)
BALAZS: strictly = speaking that is about YANG examples not instance data examples. I also = don't know/understand the reasoning behind it. A separate example tag = would be nice, but we don't have one.
 - as a contributor, I = don=E2=80=99t wish to birth a new convention of using the markers for = examples.  

In order to support programmatic extraction of = examples from drafts, please just set the =E2=80=9Cname=E2=80=9D = attribute on the <sourcecode> or <artwork> element in the = XML draft.
BALAZS: As far as I understand sourcecode is only = available in XML2RFC v3.  Name is not handled by rfcstrip or xym. = (I don't have time to update the tools right now.) It would be nice to = have an update to rfcstrip that checks every <artwork> and if it = has a name attribute, it extracts the content into a file called = "name".


2.48.2.  "name" = Attribute

  A filename suitable for the contents (such = as for extraction to a
  local file).  This attribute = can be helpful for other kinds of tools
  (such as = automated syntax checkers, which work by extracting = the
  source code).  Note that the "name" = attribute does not need to be
  unique for <artwork> = elements in a document.  If = multiple
  <sourcecode> elements have the same = "name" attribute, a formatter
  might assume that = the elements are all fragments of a single file,
  and such = a formatter can collect those fragments for = later
  processing.


Kent





<= o:p>

On = Mar 24, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.len= gyel=3D40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

Hello,
A = reply from the rfc-editor on <CODE BEGINS>. It seems it is = OK.
Regards Balazs

-----Original Message-----
From: Alice = Russo <arusso@amsl.com> =
Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 24., kedd 16:00
To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com>
Cc: RFC Editor <rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org&g= t;
Subject: Re: Where can I use <CODE BEGINS> <CODE ENDS> = ?

Greetings,

Please see = below.


On Mar 21, 2020, at 8:30 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs = Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> wrote:

Hello,
Sorry if I am sending this question to = the wrong person.
We have a discussion in the NETMOD workgroup about = when is it appropriate/allowed to use the <CODE BEGINS> <CODE = ENDS> markings in drafts and RFCs.
We regularly use it to bracket = the YANG modules defined.
e.g.    <CODE BEGINS> = file "ietf-yang-instanc= e-data@2020-03-19.yang"


Just FYI, if you are using the new XML vocabulary = [1], the markers can be created automatically by using = markers=3D"true"
-- for example --
<sourcecode = name=3D"ietf-yang-instanc= e-data@2020-03-19.yang" type=3D"yang" = markers=3D"true">


However is it allowed to use it to bracket XML or json = examples in drafts/rfcs?
e.g.    <CODE BEGINS> = file read-only-acm-rules@20= 20-03-19.xml


Yes, it is allowed. The markers <CODE = BEGINS> and <CODE ENDS> are mentioned in the Trust Legal = Provisions [2].

[1] https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=3D50261255-0cacc750= -502652ce-861010bc36ff-8b3716f9fa495535&q=3D1&e=3D11f6fa43-0168-4= d1f-8f5d-bffd46fff0d3&u=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.rfc-editor.org%2Fmaterial= s%2FFAQ-xml2rfcv3.html
[2] https://tru= stee.ietf.org/license-info/IETF-TLP-5.htm (item 4d)

Thank = you.
RFC Editor/ar



It is very handy that the rfcstrip tool can = extract the CODE sections from a draft which facilitates checking these = by external tools like yanglint. The checking is needed both for the = YANG modules and the examples.
If you as an rfc-editor could give = guidance on the issue it would be appreciated. I attached a planned = draft.
Best regards Balazs Lengyel

--
Balazs Lengyel =             &= nbsp;      Senior Specialist =             &= nbsp;         Ericsson = Hungary Ltd.
Mobile: +36-70-330-7909 =             &= nbsp;email: = Balazs.Lengyel@ericsson.com

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<20200330.202016.930329343788112268.id@4668.se> To: rrahman@cisco.com Cc: netmod@ietf.org From: Martin =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rklund?= In-Reply-To: <76623C79-BB91-4B5F-8FEA-406ADEAD1647@cisco.com> References: <75CFDBD9-143C-407A-B7C3-26CEC51E229C@cisco.com> <20200328.094121.1160081114435152145.id@4668.se> <76623C79-BB91-4B5F-8FEA-406ADEAD1647@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.8 on Emacs 25.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-label statements X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 18:20:24 -0000 "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" wrote: > On 2020-03-28, 4:41 AM, "Martin Bj=F6rklund" wrote= : > = > "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" wrote: > > Hi, > > = > > https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/issues/45 > > = > > o 7.1 > > = > > The text says: > > = > > All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-label s= tatements for > > all > > newly published YANG modules, and all newly publish= ed revisions of > > existing YANG modules. The revision-label MUST tak= e the form of a > > YANG semantic version number [I-D.verdt-netmod-yang= -semver]. > > = > > I strongly disagree with this new rule. IETF modules= use a linear > > history, so there are no reasons to use "modified sem= ver". > > = > > It is ok to use rev:nbc-changes if needed, though. > > = > > We believe some IETF models may not follow linear history, this= was > > brought up (I think) for IDR. Modified semver allows for non-li= near > > history and also doesn't preclude linear history. So even if we= end up > > having no IETF modules using branching, modified semver still w= orks. > = > With the clarifiactions and updates in > draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning, non-linear versioning > works without modified semver. So there is no technical reason t= o use > modified semver in IETF modules. > = > So are you proposing we use some other revision-label scheme (e.g. se= mver 2.0.0) for IETF modules? > = > Or that IETF modules shouldn't use revision-labels? That IETF shouldn't use revision labels. I am all for using rev:nbc-changes or rev:editorial-changes (which I think should be added) in IETF modules. /martin > = > Or do you have something else in mind? > = > Regards, > Reshad. > = > I can reluctantly accept that modified smever is published as > Experimental. But that doesn't mean that IETF modules should use= it. > = > = > /martin > = > = > > = > > Regards, > > Reshad. > > = > > = > > On 2020-03-20, 5:08 PM, "netmod on behalf of Reshad Rahman (rra= hman)" > > > rrahman=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > = > > Hi Martin, > > = > > We've opened issues to track your review comments (see belo= w). Will > > kick off separate therads for each issue. > > = > > https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/issues?q=3Dis%3Ais= sue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aupdated-mod-rev-handling > > = > > Regards, > > Reshad. > > = > > On 2020-03-10, 3:31 PM, "netmod on behalf of Martin Bj=F6rk= lund" > > wro= te: > > = > > Hi, > > = > > Here are my review comments of > > draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01. > > = > > = > > = > > o 3.1.1 > > = > > o In statements that have any data definition stat= ements as > > substatements, those data definition substatemen= ts MAY be > > reordered, as long as they do not change the ord= ering or any > > "rpc" > > "input" substatements. > > = > > I think this needs to capture that no descendant stat= ements to > > "input" can be reordered. Same for "output" (note, "= input" and > > "output" in both "rpc" and "action"). > > = > > = > > o 3.3 > > = > > All revision labels that match the pattern for the = "version" > > typedef in the ietf-yang-semver YANG module MUST be= interpreted as > > YANG semantic version numbers. > > = > > I don't think this is a good idea. Seems like a laye= r violation. > > What if my project use another dialect of semver, tha= t wouldn't be > > possible with this rule. I think this needs to be re= moved. > > = > > = > > o 3.3 > > = > > Submodules MUST NOT use revision label schemes that= could be > > confused > > with the including module's revision label scheme. > > = > > Hmm, how do I ensure that this MUST NOT is handled co= rrectly? What > > exactly does "could be confused with" mean? > > = > > = > > o 3.3 > > = > > In the filename of a YANG module, where it takes = the form: > > module- > > or-submodule-name ['@' revision-label] ( '.yang' = / '.yin' ) > > = > > Should this section update 5.2 of RFC 7950? I know t= hat 5.2 just > > says "SHOULD". But existing tools implement this SHO= ULD, and they > > need to be updated to handle this new convention. > > = > > But I wonder if this a good idea. It means that a to= ol that looks > > for a module with a certain revision date cannot simp= ly check the > > filenames, but need to parse all available modules (w= ijust to find > > the > > = > > = > > = > > o 3.4 > > = > > leaf imperial-temperature { > > type int64; > > units "degrees Fahrenheit"; > > status deprecated { > > rev:status-description > > "Imperial measurements are being phased out = in favor > > of their metric equivalents. Use metric-te= mperature > > instead."; > > } > > description > > "Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit."; > > } > > = > > I don't think rev:status-description is necessary / w= orth it. This > > can easily be written with the normal description sta= tement instead: > > = > > leaf imperial-temperature { > > type int64; > > units "degrees Fahrenheit"; > > status deprecated; > > description > > "Imperial measurements are being phased out = in favor > > of their metric equivalents. Use metric-te= mperature > > instead. > > = > > Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit."; > > } > > = > > = > > o 3.5 > > = > > The example modules should be legal YANG modules. Us= e e.g. = > > "urn:example:module" as namespace. > > = > > Also, the modules are missing the last "}", which con= fuses the > > "rfcstrip" tool. > > = > > = > > o 4.1.1 > > = > > Alternatively, the first example could have used th= e revision > > label > > "1.0.0" instead, which selects the same set of revi= sions/versions. > > = > > import example-module { > > rev:revision-or-derived 1.0.0; > > } > > = > > Shouldn't this be s/1.0.0/2.0.0/g ? > > = > > = > > o 5 > > = > > I think the module name "ietf-yl-revisions" should be= changed to > > "ietf-yang-library-revisions". "yl" is not a well-k= nown acronym. > > = > > = > > o 5.2.2 > > = > > Wouldn't it be better if the leaf "deprecated-nodes-i= mplemented" and > > "obsolete-nodes-absent" were of type "boolean" rather= than type > > "empty"? > > = > > = > > o 7.1 > > = > > The text says: > > = > > All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-label s= tatements for > > all > > newly published YANG modules, and all newly publish= ed revisions of > > existing YANG modules. The revision-label MUST tak= e the form of a > > YANG semantic version number [I-D.verdt-netmod-yang= -semver]. > > = > > I strongly disagree with this new rule. IETF modules= use a linear > > history, so there are no reasons to use "modified sem= ver". > > = > > It is ok to use rev:nbc-changes if needed, though. > > = > > = > > o 7.1.1 > > = > > There is a missing " in: > > = > > 4. For status "obsolete", it is RECOMMENDED to keep= the "status- > > description" information, from when the node had= status > > "deprecated, which is still relevant. > > HERE -----------^ > > = > > = > > o 8 > > = > > s/CODE ENDS>// > > = > > = > > o Both YANG modules > > = > > All extensions should specify the grammar; i.e., in w= hich statements > > they can be present and which substatements they can = have. > > = > > = > > = > > /martin > > = > > _______________________________________________ > > netmod mailing list > > netmod@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > = > > = > > _______________________________________________ > > netmod mailing list > > netmod@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > = > > = > = > = From nobody Mon Mar 30 11:51:36 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEEA23A0E3D for ; 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Mon, 30 Mar 2020 11:51:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <75CFDBD9-143C-407A-B7C3-26CEC51E229C@cisco.com> <20200328.094121.1160081114435152145.id@4668.se> <76623C79-BB91-4B5F-8FEA-406ADEAD1647@cisco.com> <20200330.202016.930329343788112268.id@4668.se> In-Reply-To: <20200330.202016.930329343788112268.id@4668.se> From: Andy Bierman Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 11:51:17 -0700 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Martin_Bj=C3=B6rklund?= Cc: "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" , NetMod WG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004bd91a05a216f01d" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-label statements X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 18:51:35 -0000 --0000000000004bd91a05a216f01d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:20 AM Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund w= rote: > "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" wrote: > > On 2020-03-28, 4:41 AM, "Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund" wrot= e: > > > > "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/issues/45 > > > > > > o 7.1 > > > > > > The text says: > > > > > > All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-label > statements for > > > all > > > newly published YANG modules, and all newly published > revisions of > > > existing YANG modules. The revision-label MUST take > the form of a > > > YANG semantic version number > [I-D.verdt-netmod-yang-semver]. > > > > > > I strongly disagree with this new rule. IETF modules > use a linear > > > history, so there are no reasons to use "modified > semver". > > > > > > It is ok to use rev:nbc-changes if needed, though. > > > > > > We believe some IETF models may not follow linear history, this w= as > > > brought up (I think) for IDR. Modified semver allows for non-line= ar > > > history and also doesn't preclude linear history. So even if we > end up > > > having no IETF modules using branching, modified semver still > works. > > > > With the clarifiactions and updates in > > draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning, non-linear versioning > > works without modified semver. So there is no technical reason to > use > > modified semver in IETF modules. > > > > So are you proposing we use some other revision-label scheme (e.g. > semver 2.0.0) for IETF modules? > > > > Or that IETF modules shouldn't use revision-labels? > > That IETF shouldn't use revision labels. > > I do not like modified semver because it will cause confusion with the real semver introduced by OpenConfig. Sometimes multiple release trains are needed, and the revision label (in addition to revision-date) can help distinguish revisions from each release train, so plain semver that is introduced over time would be OK. It is possible to introduce only BC changes on each release train. The BC vs. NBC issue has nothing to do with multiple release trains. I am all for using rev:nbc-changes or rev:editorial-changes (which I > think should be added) in IETF modules. > > I agree that this is sufficient and modified semver provides no added value, only confusion. > > /martin > > Andy > > > > > Or do you have something else in mind? > > > > Regards, > > Reshad. > > > > I can reluctantly accept that modified smever is published as > > Experimental. But that doesn't mean that IETF modules should use i= t. > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Reshad. > > > > > > > > > On 2020-03-20, 5:08 PM, "netmod on behalf of Reshad Rahman > (rrahman)" > > > > > rrahman=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Martin, > > > > > > We've opened issues to track your review comments (see below)= . > Will > > > kick off separate therads for each issue. > > > > > > > https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/issues?q=3Dis%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+= label%3Aupdated-mod-rev-handling > > > > > > Regards, > > > Reshad. > > > > > > On 2020-03-10, 3:31 PM, "netmod on behalf of Martin Bj=C3=B6r= klund" > > > wrote= : > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Here are my review comments of > > > draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01. > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.1.1 > > > > > > o In statements that have any data definition > statements as > > > substatements, those data definition substatements > MAY be > > > reordered, as long as they do not change the > ordering or any > > > "rpc" > > > "input" substatements. > > > > > > I think this needs to capture that no descendant > statements to > > > "input" can be reordered. Same for "output" (note, > "input" and > > > "output" in both "rpc" and "action"). > > > > > > > > > o 3.3 > > > > > > All revision labels that match the pattern for the > "version" > > > typedef in the ietf-yang-semver YANG module MUST be > interpreted as > > > YANG semantic version numbers. > > > > > > I don't think this is a good idea. Seems like a layer > violation. > > > What if my project use another dialect of semver, that > wouldn't be > > > possible with this rule. I think this needs to be > removed. > > > > > > > > > o 3.3 > > > > > > Submodules MUST NOT use revision label schemes that > could be > > > confused > > > with the including module's revision label scheme. > > > > > > Hmm, how do I ensure that this MUST NOT is handled > correctly? What > > > exactly does "could be confused with" mean? > > > > > > > > > o 3.3 > > > > > > In the filename of a YANG module, where it takes th= e > form: > > > module- > > > or-submodule-name ['@' revision-label] ( '.yang' / > '.yin' ) > > > > > > Should this section update 5.2 of RFC 7950? I know tha= t > 5.2 just > > > says "SHOULD". But existing tools implement this > SHOULD, and they > > > need to be updated to handle this new convention. > > > > > > But I wonder if this a good idea. It means that a tool > that looks > > > for a module with a certain revision date cannot simply > check the > > > filenames, but need to parse all available modules > (wijust to find > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.4 > > > > > > leaf imperial-temperature { > > > type int64; > > > units "degrees Fahrenheit"; > > > status deprecated { > > > rev:status-description > > > "Imperial measurements are being phased out in > favor > > > of their metric equivalents. Use > metric-temperature > > > instead."; > > > } > > > description > > > "Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit."; > > > } > > > > > > I don't think rev:status-description is necessary / > worth it. This > > > can easily be written with the normal description > statement instead: > > > > > > leaf imperial-temperature { > > > type int64; > > > units "degrees Fahrenheit"; > > > status deprecated; > > > description > > > "Imperial measurements are being phased out in > favor > > > of their metric equivalents. Use > metric-temperature > > > instead. > > > > > > Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit."; > > > } > > > > > > > > > o 3.5 > > > > > > The example modules should be legal YANG modules. Use > e.g. > > > "urn:example:module" as namespace. > > > > > > Also, the modules are missing the last "}", which > confuses the > > > "rfcstrip" tool. > > > > > > > > > o 4.1.1 > > > > > > Alternatively, the first example could have used the > revision > > > label > > > "1.0.0" instead, which selects the same set of > revisions/versions. > > > > > > import example-module { > > > rev:revision-or-derived 1.0.0; > > > } > > > > > > Shouldn't this be s/1.0.0/2.0.0/g ? > > > > > > > > > o 5 > > > > > > I think the module name "ietf-yl-revisions" should be > changed to > > > "ietf-yang-library-revisions". "yl" is not a > well-known acronym. > > > > > > > > > o 5.2.2 > > > > > > Wouldn't it be better if the leaf > "deprecated-nodes-implemented" and > > > "obsolete-nodes-absent" were of type "boolean" rather > than type > > > "empty"? > > > > > > > > > o 7.1 > > > > > > The text says: > > > > > > All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-label > statements for > > > all > > > newly published YANG modules, and all newly published > revisions of > > > existing YANG modules. The revision-label MUST take > the form of a > > > YANG semantic version number > [I-D.verdt-netmod-yang-semver]. > > > > > > I strongly disagree with this new rule. IETF modules > use a linear > > > history, so there are no reasons to use "modified > semver". > > > > > > It is ok to use rev:nbc-changes if needed, though. > > > > > > > > > o 7.1.1 > > > > > > There is a missing " in: > > > > > > 4. For status "obsolete", it is RECOMMENDED to keep > the "status- > > > description" information, from when the node had > status > > > "deprecated, which is still relevant. > > > HERE -----------^ > > > > > > > > > o 8 > > > > > > s/CODE ENDS>// > > > > > > > > > o Both YANG modules > > > > > > All extensions should specify the grammar; i.e., in > which statements > > > they can be present and which substatements they can > have. > > > > > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > netmod mailing list > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > netmod mailing list > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > --0000000000004bd91a05a216f01d Content-Type: 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 19:22:06 -0000 As part of the Shepherd writeup, I read the entire draft and found the = following issues, which I=E2=80=99d like to see resolved before = progressing the document. Most of these issues should have been caught = be the WG and/or Editors... Logical Issues: - S3, P8 defines MUSTs inside a SHOULD, a logical contradiction. - In S3, P8 (the P beginning w/ "The name of=E2=80=9D), text fails to = indicate what SHOULD be done if both =E2=80=9Crevision=E2=80=9D and = =E2=80=9Ctimestamp=E2=80=9D are present? - the syntax grammar used in S3, P8 doesn=E2=80=99t make sense - use = ABNF? - In S3, P8: =E2=80=9Cthe semicolons and the decimal point, if = present, shall be replaced by underscores=E2=80=9D - why are they not = escaped? - Example 1 seems semantically invalid? e.g., = "ietf-netconf-monitoring=E2=80=9D is in "content-data" though not in = "modules-state=E2=80=9D. Also, "module-set-id=E2=80=9D is missing=20 - It is unclear how the "inline-content-schema=E2=80=9D feature could = ever be used. I.e., there are no protocol-accessible nodes in the = module=E2=80=A6 - "leaf-list inline-module" is "min-elements 1=E2=80=9D and = "ordered-by user=E2=80=9D, but "leaf-list module=E2=80=9D has neither = (though it may be that ordering is irrelevant for simple-inline). - "leaf-list inline-module=E2=80=9D has "ordered-by user=E2=80=9D, = what does that mean in the context of, e.g., UC1? - P4 in the =E2=80=9Cdescription=E2=80=9D statement on line 134 in the = YANG module makes no sense (grammatically incorrect). Try breaking into = multiple sentences. - The last two sentences of the =E2=80=9Cdescription=E2=80=9D = statement on line 207 in the YANG module contradict each other. Structural issues: - Why isn=E2=80=99t the =E2=80=9CIntroduction=E2=80=9D Section =E2=80=98= 1=E2=80=99 as is common in RFCs? - the list in S3, P4 is missing symbols. - the two lists in S3, P8 should be indented, or remove the leading = symbol - The list under "Metadata MUST include:=E2=80=9D is missing symbols. - The list under "Metadata SHOULD include:=E2=80=9D is not indented. - 3.2, Example 1: move the comment under "content-data=E2=80=9D under = "modules-state=E2=80=9D. Replace said comment with a new comment that = says something like =E2=80=9CThis content-data only contains the data = identified by the =E2=80=98content-schema=E2=80=99 node, despite the = =E2=80=98module-state=E2=80=99 node indicating that the server = implements other modules - The three examples should be
of their own (e.g., 3.2.x) - The =E2=80=9Cinline=E2=80=9D choice node is generally confusing. I = can=E2=80=99t tell if it=E2=80=99s missing container called =E2=80=9Cinlin= e=E2=80=9D or if the two descendant nodes are poorly named. In either = case, it would be best to try to make it more readable. =20 Editorial issues: - s/The term Server is/The term =E2=80=9Cserver" is/ - s/not available/unavailable/ - s/Data is often needed already at/Data is often needed at/ - s/needed by groups that do not have a live running server = available/needed when a live running server is unavailable/. - s/ietf-yang- instance-data/"ietf-yang-instance-data=E2=80=9D/ - remove the word =E2=80=9Cwe=E2=80=9D throughout: s/we/this = document/? - remove P3=E2=80=99s forward-reference to S3, P9? - s/is actually implemented/is implemented/ - s/e.g., UC5 documenting diagnostic data/(e.g., UC5 [Section 2])/ - s/and state data set/and state data/ - s/Config=3Dtrue/configuration (=E2=80=9Cconfig true=E2=80=9D)/ - s/Config=3Dfalse/operational state data (=E2=80=9Cconfig false"/ - OLD: mandatory, min-elements, require-instance=3Dtrue, must and when NEW: =E2=80=9Cmandatory", "min-elements", "require-instance true", = =E2=80=9C ust=E2=80=9D, and =E2=80=9Cwhen=E2=80=9D - OLD: If revision information inside the data set is present NEW: If =E2=80=9Crevision" information is present inside the data = set: - OLD: If the leaf "name" is present in the instance data header, this = MUST be used. NEW: If the leaf "name" is present in the instance data header, its = value should be used for the "instance-data-set-name=E2=80=9D. - s/items MAY also be used/items MAY be used/ - s/Metadata MUST include:/\nMetadata MUST include:/ - s/Content schema specification/Content schema specification (i.e., = the "content-schema=E2=80=9D node)/ - s/Do not include the content-schema,/Do not include the = "content-schema=E2=80=9D node=E2=80=9D;/ - s/for "UC2 Preloading Data=E2=80=9D/for UC2 [Section 2],/ - S3.1.1 P2 doesn=E2=80=99t makes sense to me (esp. the verdt ref, = which likely should be removed or better explained) - s/The same-schema-as-file leaf/The "same-schema-as-file" leaf/ - s/In Use Case 6/in UC6 [Section 2]/ - S3.2 P1: s/examples use/example uses/ and s/for better formatting//. = =20 - s/is based on "UC1, Documenting Server Capabilities=E2=80=9D/exemplifi= es UC1 [Section 2]/ - s/(a shortened)/a/g - For Ex1: s/uses the inline method/uses the =E2=80=9Cinline" method/ - s/- Use case 1, Documenting server capabilities/Exemplifying UC1/ - s/is based on "UC2, Preloading Default Configuration=E2=80=9D/exemplif= ies UC2 [Section 2]/ - For Ex2: s/uses the inline method/uses the "simplified-inline" = method/ - s/- Use case 2, Preloading access control data/Exemplifying UC2/ - s/is based on UC5 Storing diagnostics data/exemplifies UC5 [Section = 2]/ - s/statistics about NETCONF/statistics about the NETCONF server/ - s/- UC5 Storing diagnostics data/Exemplifying UC5/ Editorial issues inside the YANG module: - "description" statement on line 74: rephrase to make more sense. - :description" statement on line 92: so confusing. Just write =E2=80=9C= The =E2=80=98revision' of the 'ietf-yang-instance-data=E2=80=99 module = used to encode this 'instance-data-set=E2=80=99.=E2=80=9D - =E2=80=9Cdescription" statement on line 100: s/content schema/schema = (i.e., YANG modules)/? - =E2=80=9Ctype string=E2=80=9D statement on lines 109 and 131 are = missing a =E2=80=9Cpattern" statement. - =E2=80=9Cdescription" statement on line 110: should this be mostly = the same as the description statement of line 134, sans the bit = regarding features, deviations, etc.? - line 152: s/ietf-yang-library@2019-01-04/revision "2019-01-04=E2=80=9D= of the "ietf-yang-library=E2=80=9D module/? - P2 in the =E2=80=9Cdescription" statements on lines 220 and 249: = s/For instance data sets/Instance data sets/ - =E2=80=9Cdescription" statement on line 256: s/Modules/modules/ and = s/content-schema-spec/=E2=80=98content-schema=E2=80=99/ =20 YANG module formatting issues: - On line 19: s/ reference/reference/ - On line 21: s/}/ }/ - On line 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 20:40:05 -0000 "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" wrote: > = > On 2020-03-30, 2:20 PM, "Martin Bj=F6rklund" wrote= : > = > "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" wrote: > > On 2020-03-28, 4:41 AM, "Martin Bj=F6rklund" = wrote: > > = > > "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" wrote: > > > Hi, > > > = > > > https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/issues/45 > > > = > > > o 7.1 > > > = > > > The text says: > > > = > > > All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-l= abel statements for > > > all > > > newly published YANG modules, and all newly p= ublished revisions of > > > existing YANG modules. The revision-label MU= ST take the form of a > > > YANG semantic version number [I-D.verdt-netmo= d-yang-semver]. > > > = > > > I strongly disagree with this new rule. IETF m= odules use a linear > > > history, so there are no reasons to use "modifi= ed semver". > > > = > > > It is ok to use rev:nbc-changes if needed, thou= gh. > > > = > > > We believe some IETF models may not follow linear history= , this was > > > brought up (I think) for IDR. Modified semver allows for = non-linear > > > history and also doesn't preclude linear history. So even= if we end up > > > having no IETF modules using branching, modified semver s= till works. > > = > > With the clarifiactions and updates in > > draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning, non-linear versi= oning > > works without modified semver. So there is no technical re= ason to use > > modified semver in IETF modules. > > = > > So are you proposing we use some other revision-label scheme (e= .g. semver 2.0.0) for IETF modules? > > = > > Or that IETF modules shouldn't use revision-labels? > = > That IETF shouldn't use revision labels. > = > The revision label allows a user to easily figure out whether 2 > revisions are (N)BC. I think you meant "modified semver as revision label allows ..." But it is not true. What happened between 1.0.2M and 1.0.3M? /martin > Without the label, you always have to use tooling. > = > Regards, > Reshad. > = > I am all for using rev:nbc-changes or rev:editorial-changes (whic= h I > think should be added) in IETF modules. > = > = > /martin > = > = > > = > > Or do you have something else in mind? > > = > > Regards, > > Reshad. > > = > > I can reluctantly accept that modified smever is published = as > > Experimental. But that doesn't mean that IETF modules shou= ld use it. > > = > > = > > /martin > > = > > = > > > = > > > Regards, > > > Reshad. > > > = > > > = > > > On 2020-03-20, 5:08 PM, "netmod on behalf of Reshad Rahma= n (rrahman)" > > > > > rrahman=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > > = > > > Hi Martin, > > > = > > > We've opened issues to track your review comments (se= e below). Will > > > kick off separate therads for each issue. > > > = > > > https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/issues?q=3Di= s%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aupdated-mod-rev-handling > > > = > > > Regards, > > > Reshad. > > > = > > > On 2020-03-10, 3:31 PM, "netmod on behalf of Martin B= j=F6rklund" > > > wrote: > > > = > > > Hi, > > > = > > > Here are my review comments of > > > draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01. > > > = > > > = > > > = > > > o 3.1.1 > > > = > > > o In statements that have any data definitio= n statements as > > > substatements, those data definition subst= atements MAY be > > > reordered, as long as they do not change t= he ordering or any > > > "rpc" > > > "input" substatements. > > > = > > > I think this needs to capture that no descendan= t statements to > > > "input" can be reordered. Same for "output" (n= ote, "input" and > > > "output" in both "rpc" and "action"). > > > = > > > = > > > o 3.3 > > > = > > > All revision labels that match the pattern fo= r the "version" > > > typedef in the ietf-yang-semver YANG module M= UST be interpreted as > > > YANG semantic version numbers. > > > = > > > I don't think this is a good idea. Seems like = a layer violation. > > > What if my project use another dialect of semve= r, that wouldn't be > > > possible with this rule. I think this needs to= be removed. > > > = > > > = > > > o 3.3 > > > = > > > Submodules MUST NOT use revision label scheme= s that could be > > > confused > > > with the including module's revision label sc= heme. > > > = > > > Hmm, how do I ensure that this MUST NOT is hand= led correctly? What > > > exactly does "could be confused with" mean? > > > = > > > = > > > o 3.3 > > > = > > > In the filename of a YANG module, where it = takes the form: > > > module- > > > or-submodule-name ['@' revision-label] ( '.= yang' / '.yin' ) > > > = > > > Should this section update 5.2 of RFC 7950? I = know that 5.2 just > > > says "SHOULD". But existing tools implement th= is SHOULD, and they > > > need to be updated to handle this new conventio= n. > > > = > > > But I wonder if this a good idea. It means tha= t a tool that looks > > > for a module with a certain revision date canno= t simply check the > > > filenames, but need to parse all available modu= les (wijust to find > > > the > > > = > > > = > > > = > > > o 3.4 > > > = > > > leaf imperial-temperature { > > > type int64; > > > units "degrees Fahrenheit"; > > > status deprecated { > > > rev:status-description > > > "Imperial measurements are being phase= d out in favor > > > of their metric equivalents. Use met= ric-temperature > > > instead."; > > > } > > > description > > > "Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit."; > > > } > > > = > > > I don't think rev:status-description is necessa= ry / worth it. This > > > can easily be written with the normal descripti= on statement instead: > > > = > > > leaf imperial-temperature { > > > type int64; > > > units "degrees Fahrenheit"; > > > status deprecated; > > > description > > > "Imperial measurements are being phase= d out in favor > > > of their metric equivalents. Use met= ric-temperature > > > instead. > > > = > > > Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit."; > > > } > > > = > > > = > > > o 3.5 > > > = > > > The example modules should be legal YANG module= s. Use e.g. = > > > "urn:example:module" as namespace. > > > = > > > Also, the modules are missing the last "}", whi= ch confuses the > > > "rfcstrip" tool. > > > = > > > = > > > o 4.1.1 > > > = > > > Alternatively, the first example could have u= sed the revision > > > label > > > "1.0.0" instead, which selects the same set o= f revisions/versions. > > > = > > > import example-module { > > > rev:revision-or-derived 1.0.0; > > > } > > > = > > > Shouldn't this be s/1.0.0/2.0.0/g ? > > > = > > > = > > > o 5 > > > = > > > I think the module name "ietf-yl-revisions" sho= uld be changed to > > > "ietf-yang-library-revisions". "yl" is not a = well-known acronym. > > > = > > > = > > > o 5.2.2 > > > = > > > Wouldn't it be better if the leaf "deprecated-n= odes-implemented" and > > > "obsolete-nodes-absent" were of type "boolean" = rather than type > > > "empty"? > > > = > > > = > > > o 7.1 > > > = > > > The text says: > > > = > > > All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-l= abel statements for > > > all > > > newly published YANG modules, and all newly p= ublished revisions of > > > existing YANG modules. The revision-label MU= ST take the form of a > > > YANG semantic version number [I-D.verdt-netmo= d-yang-semver]. > > > = > > > I strongly disagree with this new rule. IETF m= odules use a linear > > > history, so there are no reasons to use "modifi= ed semver". > > > = > > > It is ok to use rev:nbc-changes if needed, thou= gh. > > > = > > > = > > > o 7.1.1 > > > = > > > There is a missing " in: > > > = > > > 4. For status "obsolete", it is RECOMMENDED t= o keep the "status- > > > description" information, from when the no= de had status > > > "deprecated, which is still relevant. > > > HERE -----------^ > > > = > > > = > > > o 8 > > > = > > > s/CODE ENDS>// > > > = > > > = > > > o Both YANG modules > > > = > > > All extensions should specify the grammar; i.e.= , in which statements > > > they can be present and which substatements the= y can have. > > > = > > > = > > > = > > > /martin > > > = > > > _______________________________________________ > > > netmod mailing list > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > = > > > = > > > _______________________________________________ > > > netmod mailing list > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > = > > > = > > = > > = > = > = From nobody Mon Mar 30 13:46:12 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C4133A10CA for ; 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Mon, 30 Mar 2020 13:46:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <75CFDBD9-143C-407A-B7C3-26CEC51E229C@cisco.com> <20200328.094121.1160081114435152145.id@4668.se> <76623C79-BB91-4B5F-8FEA-406ADEAD1647@cisco.com> <20200330.202016.930329343788112268.id@4668.se> <7BF6294F-E354-45D3-B0FC-F4801ADC3F78@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <7BF6294F-E354-45D3-B0FC-F4801ADC3F78@cisco.com> From: Andy Bierman Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 13:45:55 -0700 Message-ID: To: "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Martin_Bj=C3=B6rklund?= , NetMod WG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004a129605a2188a16" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-label statements X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 20:46:11 -0000 --0000000000004a129605a2188a16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 1:26 PM Reshad Rahman (rrahman) wrote: > > > *From: *'Andy Bierman' > *Date: *Monday, March 30, 2020 at 2:51 PM > *To: *Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund > *Cc: *"Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" , NetMod WG < > netmod@ietf.org> > *Subject: *Re: [netmod] All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-label > statements > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:20 AM Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund > wrote: > > "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" wrote: > > On 2020-03-28, 4:41 AM, "Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund" wrot= e: > > > > "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/issues/45 > > > > > > o 7.1 > > > > > > The text says: > > > > > > All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-label > statements for > > > all > > > newly published YANG modules, and all newly published > revisions of > > > existing YANG modules. The revision-label MUST take > the form of a > > > YANG semantic version number > [I-D.verdt-netmod-yang-semver]. > > > > > > I strongly disagree with this new rule. IETF modules > use a linear > > > history, so there are no reasons to use "modified > semver". > > > > > > It is ok to use rev:nbc-changes if needed, though. > > > > > > We believe some IETF models may not follow linear history, this w= as > > > brought up (I think) for IDR. Modified semver allows for non-line= ar > > > history and also doesn't preclude linear history. So even if we > end up > > > having no IETF modules using branching, modified semver still > works. > > > > With the clarifiactions and updates in > > draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning, non-linear versioning > > works without modified semver. So there is no technical reason to > use > > modified semver in IETF modules. > > > > So are you proposing we use some other revision-label scheme (e.g. > semver 2.0.0) for IETF modules? > > > > Or that IETF modules shouldn't use revision-labels? > > That IETF shouldn't use revision labels. > > > > I do not like modified semver because it will cause confusion with the > real semver > > introduced by OpenConfig. > > > > Sometimes multiple release trains are needed, and the revision label (in > addition to revision-date) > > can help distinguish revisions from each release train, so plain semver > that is introduced over time > > would be OK. > > > > It is possible to introduce only BC changes on each release train. > > The BC vs. NBC issue has nothing to do with multiple release trains. > > > > > > > > I am all for using rev:nbc-changes or rev:editorial-changes (which I > think should be added) in IETF modules. > > > > I agree that this is sufficient and modified semver provides no added > value, only confusion. > > There are 2 questions here: > > 1. Is revision-label useful? We believe it is useful since it allows a > user to easily figure out whether 2 revisions are (N)BC > 2. If it is useful, what=E2=80=99s the best scheme to use? Semver, mod= ified > semver, =E2=80=A6? > > > > You=E2=80=99re not keen on modified semver just because of the name, or a= re there > other reasons? > > > IMO it is a bad idea to overload a well-understood pattern like major.minor.patch with extra semantics like backward-compatibility. A tool or a person can read the revision history for details about revision changes. Adding letters to the end just confuses people who thought they were looking at openconfig-version or a familiar linux library version string. I don't agree that the IETF should be working to normalize NBC changes in the first place. Regards, > > Reshad. > > > > Regards, > > Reshad. > > > Andy > > > > /martin > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > Or do you have something else in mind? > > > > Regards, > > Reshad. > > > > I can reluctantly accept that modified smever is published as > > Experimental. But that doesn't mean that IETF modules should use i= t. > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Reshad. > > > > > > > > > On 2020-03-20, 5:08 PM, "netmod on behalf of Reshad Rahman > (rrahman)" > > > > > rrahman=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Martin, > > > > > > We've opened issues to track your review comments (see below)= . > Will > > > kick off separate therads for each issue. > > > > > > > https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/issues?q=3Dis%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+= label%3Aupdated-mod-rev-handling > > > > > > Regards, > > > Reshad. > > > > > > On 2020-03-10, 3:31 PM, "netmod on behalf of Martin Bj=C3=B6r= klund" > > > wrote= : > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Here are my review comments of > > > draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01. > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.1.1 > > > > > > o In statements that have any data definition > statements as > > > substatements, those data definition substatements > MAY be > > > reordered, as long as they do not change the > ordering or any > > > "rpc" > > > "input" substatements. > > > > > > I think this needs to capture that no descendant > statements to > > > "input" can be reordered. Same for "output" (note, > "input" and > > > "output" in both "rpc" and "action"). > > > > > > > > > o 3.3 > > > > > > All revision labels that match the pattern for the > "version" > > > typedef in the ietf-yang-semver YANG module MUST be > interpreted as > > > YANG semantic version numbers. > > > > > > I don't think this is a good idea. Seems like a layer > violation. > > > What if my project use another dialect of semver, that > wouldn't be > > > possible with this rule. I think this needs to be > removed. > > > > > > > > > o 3.3 > > > > > > Submodules MUST NOT use revision label schemes that > could be > > > confused > > > with the including module's revision label scheme. > > > > > > Hmm, how do I ensure that this MUST NOT is handled > correctly? What > > > exactly does "could be confused with" mean? > > > > > > > > > o 3.3 > > > > > > In the filename of a YANG module, where it takes th= e > form: > > > module- > > > or-submodule-name ['@' revision-label] ( '.yang' / > '.yin' ) > > > > > > Should this section update 5.2 of RFC 7950? I know tha= t > 5.2 just > > > says "SHOULD". But existing tools implement this > SHOULD, and they > > > need to be updated to handle this new convention. > > > > > > But I wonder if this a good idea. It means that a tool > that looks > > > for a module with a certain revision date cannot simply > check the > > > filenames, but need to parse all available modules > (wijust to find > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.4 > > > > > > leaf imperial-temperature { > > > type int64; > > > units "degrees Fahrenheit"; > > > status deprecated { > > > rev:status-description > > > "Imperial measurements are being phased out in > favor > > > of their metric equivalents. Use > metric-temperature > > > instead."; > > > } > > > description > > > "Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit."; > > > } > > > > > > I don't think rev:status-description is necessary / > worth it. This > > > can easily be written with the normal description > statement instead: > > > > > > leaf imperial-temperature { > > > type int64; > > > units "degrees Fahrenheit"; > > > status deprecated; > > > description > > > "Imperial measurements are being phased out in > favor > > > of their metric equivalents. Use > metric-temperature > > > instead. > > > > > > Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit."; > > > } > > > > > > > > > o 3.5 > > > > > > The example modules should be legal YANG modules. Use > e.g. > > > "urn:example:module" as namespace. > > > > > > Also, the modules are missing the last "}", which > confuses the > > > "rfcstrip" tool. > > > > > > > > > o 4.1.1 > > > > > > Alternatively, the first example could have used the > revision > > > label > > > "1.0.0" instead, which selects the same set of > revisions/versions. > > > > > > import example-module { > > > rev:revision-or-derived 1.0.0; > > > } > > > > > > Shouldn't this be s/1.0.0/2.0.0/g ? > > > > > > > > > o 5 > > > > > > I think the module name "ietf-yl-revisions" should be > changed to > > > "ietf-yang-library-revisions". "yl" is not a > well-known acronym. > > > > > > > > > o 5.2.2 > > > > > > Wouldn't it be better if the leaf > "deprecated-nodes-implemented" and > > > "obsolete-nodes-absent" were of type "boolean" rather > than type > > > "empty"? > > > > > > > > > o 7.1 > > > > > > The text says: > > > > > > All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-label > statements for > > > all > > > newly published YANG modules, and all newly published > revisions of > > > existing YANG modules. The revision-label MUST take > the form of a > > > YANG semantic version number > [I-D.verdt-netmod-yang-semver]. > > > > > > I strongly disagree with this new rule. IETF modules > use a linear > > > history, so there are no reasons to use "modified > semver". > > > > > > It is ok to use rev:nbc-changes if needed, though. > > > > > > > > > o 7.1.1 > > > > > > There is a missing " in: > > > > > > 4. For status "obsolete", it is RECOMMENDED to keep > the "status- > > > description" information, from when the node had > status > > > "deprecated, which is still relevant. > > > HERE -----------^ > > > > > > > > > o 8 > > > > > > s/CODE ENDS>// > > > > > > > > > o Both YANG modules > > > > > > All extensions should specify the grammar; i.e., in > which statements > > > they can be present and which substatements they can > have. > > > > > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > netmod mailing list > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > netmod mailing list > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > --0000000000004a129605a2188a16 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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Date: Monday, March 30, 2020 at 2:51 PM
To: Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund <mbj+ietf@4668.se>
Cc: "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" <rrahman@cisco.com>, NetMod WG <netmod@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [netmod] All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-la= bel statements

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On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:20 AM Martin Bj=C3=B6rklu= nd <mbj+ietf@466= 8.se> wrote:

"Reshad Rahman (rr= ahman)" <rra= hman@cisco.com> wrote:
> On 2020-03-28, 4:41 AM, "Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund" <mbj+ietf@4668.se> w= rote:
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" <rrahman@cisco.com> wrote= :
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Hi,
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/issues/45
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 7.1 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The te= xt says:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-label statements for
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0all
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0newly published YANG modules, and all newly published revisions of
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0existing YANG modules.=C2=A0 The revision-label MUST take the form of a<= br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0YANG semantic version number [I-D.verdt-netmod-yang-semver].
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I stro= ngly disagree with this new rule.=C2=A0 IETF modules use a linear
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0histor= y, so there are no reasons to use "modified semver".
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0It is = ok to use rev:nbc-changes if needed, though.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> We believe some IETF models may not follow lin= ear history, this was
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> brought up (I think) for IDR. Modified semver = allows for non-linear
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> history and also doesn't preclude linear h= istory. So even if we end up
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> having no IETF modules using branching, modifi= ed semver still works.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0With the clarifiactions and updates in
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning, non-line= ar versioning
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0works without modified semver.=C2=A0 So there is no= technical reason to use
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0modified semver in IETF modules.
>
> So are you proposing we use some other revision-label scheme (e.g. sem= ver 2.0.0) for IETF modules?
>
> Or that IETF modules shouldn't use revision-labels?

That IETF shouldn't use revision labels.

=C2=A0

I do not like modified semver because it will cause = confusion with the real semver

introduced by OpenConfig.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Sometimes multiple release trains are needed, and th= e revision label (in addition to revision-date)

can help distinguish revisions from each release tra= in, so plain semver that is introduced over time

would be OK.=C2=A0=C2=A0

=C2=A0

It is possible to introduce only BC changes on each = release train.

The BC vs. NBC issue has nothing to do with multiple= release trains.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

I am all for using rev:= nbc-changes or rev:editorial-changes (which I
think should be added) in IETF modules.

=C2=A0

I agree that this is sufficient and modified semver = provides no added value, only confusion.

<RR> There are 2 questions here:=

  1. Is revision-label useful? We believe it is us= eful since it allows a user to easily figure out whether 2 re= visions are (N)BC
  2. If= it is useful, what=E2=80=99s the best scheme to use? Semver, modified semv= er, =E2=80=A6?

=C2=A0

You=E2=80=99re not keen on modified semver just beca= use of the name, or are there other reasons?

=C2=A0



IMO it is a bad idea to overload= a well-understood=C2=A0pattern like major.minor.patch with
extra= semantics like backward-compatibility.=C2=A0 A tool or a person can read t= he revision history
for details about revision changes.=C2=A0 Add= ing letters to the end just confuses people who
thought they were= looking at openconfig-version or a familiar linux library version string.<= /div>


I don't agree that the IETF sho= uld be working to normalize NBC changes in the first place.

<= /div>

Regards,

Reshad.

=C2=A0

Regards,

Reshad.

=C2=A0


Andy
=C2=A0

=C2=A0


/martin

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Andy

=C2=A0


>
> Or do you have something else in mind?
>
> Regards,
> Reshad.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I can reluctantly accept that modified smever is pu= blished as
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Experimental.=C2=A0 But that doesn't mean that = IETF modules should use it.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0/martin
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Regards,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Reshad.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> On 2020-03-20, 5:08 PM, "netmod on behalf= of Reshad Rahman (rrahman)"
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> <netmod-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> rrahman=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Hi Martin,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0We've opened issues to = track your review comments (see below). Will
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0kick off separate therads f= or each issue.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/= issues?q=3Dis%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aupdated-mod-rev-handling
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Regards,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Reshad.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On 2020-03-10, 3:31 PM, &qu= ot;netmod on behalf of Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund"
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<netmod-bounces@ietf.org on behalf= of mbj+ietf@4668.se> wrote:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Hi,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Here are my r= eview comments of
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-verdt-n= etmod-yang-module-versioning-01.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 3.1.1=
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0o=C2=A0 In statements that have any data definition statements as
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 substatements, those data definition substatements MAY be
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 reordered, as long as they do not change the ordering or any
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 "rpc"
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 "input" substatements.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I thin= k this needs to capture that no descendant statements to
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"= input" can be reordered.=C2=A0 Same for "output" (note, &quo= t;input" and
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"= output" in both "rpc" and "action").
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 3.3 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0All revision labels that match the pattern for the "version" >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0typedef in the ietf-yang-semver YANG module MUST be interpreted as
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0YANG semantic version numbers.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I don&= #39;t think this is a good idea.=C2=A0 Seems like a layer violation.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0What i= f my project use another dialect of semver, that wouldn't be
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0possib= le with this rule.=C2=A0 I think this needs to be removed.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 3.3 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0Submodules MUST NOT use revision label schemes that could be
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0confused
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0with the including module's revision label scheme.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Hmm, h= ow do I ensure that this MUST NOT is handled correctly?=C2=A0 What
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0exactl= y does "could be confused with" mean?
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 3.3 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0In the filename of a YANG module, where it takes the form:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0module-
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0or-submodule-name ['@' revision-label] ( '.yang' = / '.yin' )
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Should= this section update 5.2 of RFC 7950?=C2=A0 I know that 5.2 just
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0says &= quot;SHOULD".=C2=A0 But existing tools implement this SHOULD, and they=
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0need t= o be updated to handle this new convention.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0But I = wonder if this a good idea.=C2=A0 It means that a tool that looks
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0for a = module with a certain revision date cannot simply check the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0filena= mes, but need to parse all available modules (wijust to find
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 3.4 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 leaf imperial-temperature {
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 type int64;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 units "degrees Fahrenheit";
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 status deprecated {
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 rev:status-description
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "Imperial measurements are being phased out i= n favor
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0of their metric equivalents.=C2=A0 Use metri= c-temperature
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0instead.";
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 }
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 description
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit.";
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 }
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I don&= #39;t think rev:status-description is necessary / worth it.=C2=A0 This
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0can ea= sily be written with the normal description statement instead:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 leaf imperial-temperature {
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 type int64;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 units "degrees Fahrenheit";
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 status deprecated;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 description
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "Imperial measurements are being phased out i= n favor
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0of their metric equivalents.=C2=A0 Use metri= c-temperature
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0instead.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit."; >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 }
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 3.5 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The ex= ample modules should be legal YANG modules.=C2=A0 Use e.g.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"= urn:example:module" as namespace.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Also, = the modules are missing the last "}", which confuses the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"= rfcstrip" tool.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o 4.1.1
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0Alternatively, the first example could have used the revision
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0label
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0"1.0.0" instead, which selects the same set of revisions/versi= ons.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0import example-module {
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0rev:revision-or-derived 1.0.0;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0}
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Should= n't this be s/1.0.0/2.0.0/g ?
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 5
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I thin= k the module name "ietf-yl-revisions" should be changed to
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"= ietf-yang-library-revisions".=C2=A0 =C2=A0"yl" is not a well= -known acronym.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 5.2.2=
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Wouldn= 't it be better if the leaf "deprecated-nodes-implemented" an= d
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"= obsolete-nodes-absent" were of type "boolean" rather than ty= pe
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"= empty"?
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 7.1 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The te= xt says:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-label statements for
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0all
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0newly published YANG modules, and all newly published revisions of
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0existing YANG modules.=C2=A0 The revision-label MUST take the form of a<= br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0YANG semantic version number [I-D.verdt-netmod-yang-semver].
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I stro= ngly disagree with this new rule.=C2=A0 IETF modules use a linear
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0histor= y, so there are no reasons to use "modified semver".
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0It is = ok to use rev:nbc-changes if needed, though.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o 7.1.1
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0There = is a missing " in:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.=C2= =A0 For status "obsolete", it is RECOMMENDED to keep the "st= atus-
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 description" information, from when the node had status
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 "deprecated, which is still relevant.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 HERE=C2=A0 -= ----------^
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 8
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0s/CODE= ENDS>/<CODE ENDS>/
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o Both YANG m= odules
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0All ex= tensions should specify the grammar; i.e., in which statements
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0they c= an be present and which substatements they can have.
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I will try to review yang-cbor tomorrow as well. (I am probably more interested in CBOR encoding for RESTCONF than the usage of CoAP itself, hence my priority on these two IDs under last call.) - Avoid the use of the word 'template', which is not a well defined term and may be used with varying interpretations. o data nodes (Note: including those parts of a YANG template as defined by the 'yang-data' extension.) It is not clear to me what is meant with "those parts of a YANG template as defined by the 'yang-data' extension." I think this could benefit from a rewording. - The ID seems to assume that semantics of yang items never change. This is true so far but NETMOD has chartered work that might change this property. So what happens if the semantics of a YANG item changes? SIDs are assigned permanently, items introduced by a new revision of a YANG module are added to the list of SIDs already assigned. If a YANG module changes in a non-backwards compatible way, I assume a new sid range must be allocated? Strictly speaking, this question does not have to be answered today but it very likely needs an answer in the future... - The definition of 'path' is not very precise, i.e., it does not spell out how module namespaces work, only by example.. I do not know whether a definition can be imported from somewhere. - s/RESCONF/RESTCONF/ - Is it CoRECONF or CORECONF? And I find the term CORECONF confusing. We have two protocols called NETCONF and RESTCONF and now we add another protocol called CoMI and we call CoMI together with YANG CBOR and SIDs CORECONF? 1) NETCONF + YANG + XML serialization + path naming -> ? 2) RESTCONF + YANG + XML|JSON serialization + path naming -> ? 3) CoMI + YANG + CBOR serialization + SID naming -> CORECONF We do not have a term for 1) and 2) and then we have a term for 3) which, however, looks more like the protocol names used in 1) and 2). This comment is not specific to this ID, but the asymmetry showed up while reading the SID document, I had to look at other IDs to understand how things are named. And the SID document says YANG is a language designed to model data accessed using one of the compatible protocols (e.g. NETCONF [RFC6241], RESCONF [RFC8040] and CoRECONF [I-D.ietf-core-comi]). Then I read the CoMI abstract. It first says CoMI is "a CoAP Management Interface", it then says "The complete solution composed of CoMI, [I-D.ietf-core-yang-cbor] and [I-D.ietf-core-sid] is called CORECONF." and finally it states that "CORECONF extends the set of YANG based protocols, NETCONF and RESTCONF, with the capability to manage constrained devices and networks.". So I am confused, is CORECONF a protocol as stated in this document? Or is CoMI a protocol? (What is then the difference between a "Management Interface" and a management protocol?) I am not sure whether I get to review comi, hence I mention my confusion here as I hit it while reviewing the sid document. - This description makes little sense to me: typedef sid-file-version-identifier { type uint64; description "Optional attribute that gives information about the .sid file version."; } This is a type definition. Why does the description talk about an optional attribute? The type should not state whether something using the type is optional or not. (And I would prefer to avoid 'attribute', better use YANG defined terms or just describe that this type represents a version number for a SID file.) - sid range - was it not said before that it is 63 bits? Is the idea that sids with the highest bit set are legal but undefined or reserved? Or should there be a range restriction? typedef sid { type uint64; description "YANG Schema Item iDentifier"; reference "[I-D.ietf-core-sid] YANG Schema Item iDentifier (SID)"; } - schema-node-path "Identifies a schema-node path string for use in the SID registry. This string format follows the rules for an instance-identifier, as defined in RFC 7959, except that no predicates are allowed. RFC 7959 seems to be a typo, I assume you mean RFC 7951 s/Identifies a schema-node path string/A schema-node path" It is a bit confusing to define a schema-node path by way of reference to an instance identifier. I understand that you borrow the namespace encoding from the way JSON encode instance identifiers but this type really represents what RFC 7950 calls an absolute schema node identifier, no? Is the term schema-node path actually needed or is it the same as absolute schema node identifier? Or is the difference between the two how namespaces are represented? - dependency-revision list dependency-revision { key "module-name"; description "Information about the revision of each YANG module that the module in 'module-name' includes used during the .sid file generation."; The sentence can probably be rewritten to make it clearer. Are the SIDs assigned to a module dependent on the modules listed in the 'dependency-revision'? (Is this a good name for the list?) Why is it necessary to know which revisions were used to resolve imports without revision? - Please avoid wrapped entry point numbers in the table in 6.3.3. - The handling of early allocations sounds complex, I have some doubts this process will work in practice... - Incomplete sentence: RFC7120] also says Or is the following paragraph a quote? In that case, add a colon. - There are likely more normative references, e.g., RFC 6991 and RFC 8040. - Why does the example in appendix A not have / need dependency-revisions? - I have not run any tools to validate things. 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What happened between 1.0.2M and 1.0.3M? It tells you there is an NBC change between 1.0.2M and 1.0.3M. The M gives an indication that a branch has been "poisoned" by an NBC chang= e and that all bets are off from that point onwards in that branch. > -----Original Message----- > From: netmod On Behalf Of Martin Bj=F6rklund > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 4:40 PM > To: rrahman@cisco.com > Cc: netmod@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netmod] All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-label > statements >=20 > "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" wrote: > > > > On 2020-03-30, 2:20 PM, "Martin Bj=F6rklund" wrote: > > > > "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" wrote: > > > On 2020-03-28, 4:41 AM, "Martin Bj=F6rklund" w= rote: > > > > > > "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/issues/45 > > > > > > > > o 7.1 > > > > > > > > The text says: > > > > > > > > All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-lab= el statements > for > > > > all > > > > newly published YANG modules, and all newly pub= lished > revisions of > > > > existing YANG modules. The revision-label MUST= take the form > of a > > > > YANG semantic version number [I-D.verdt-netmod-= yang- > semver]. > > > > > > > > I strongly disagree with this new rule. IETF mod= ules use a linear > > > > history, so there are no reasons to use "modified= semver". > > > > > > > > It is ok to use rev:nbc-changes if needed, though= . > > > > > > > > We believe some IETF models may not follow linear history, = this was > > > > brought up (I think) for IDR. Modified semver allows for no= n-linear > > > > history and also doesn't preclude linear history. So even i= f we end up > > > > having no IETF modules using branching, modified semver sti= ll works. > > > > > > With the clarifiactions and updates in > > > draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning, non-linear version= ing > > > works without modified semver. So there is no technical reas= on to use > > > modified semver in IETF modules. > > > > > > So are you proposing we use some other revision-label scheme (e.g= . > semver 2.0.0) for IETF modules? > > > > > > Or that IETF modules shouldn't use revision-labels? > > > > That IETF shouldn't use revision labels. > > > > The revision label allows a user to easily figure out whether 2 > > revisions are (N)BC. >=20 > I think you meant "modified semver as revision label allows ..." >=20 > But it is not true. What happened between 1.0.2M and 1.0.3M? >=20 >=20 > /martin >=20 >=20 > > Without the label, you always have to use tooling. > > > > Regards, > > Reshad. > > > > I am all for using rev:nbc-changes or rev:editorial-changes (which = I > > think should be added) in IETF modules. > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > > > Or do you have something else in mind? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Reshad. > > > > > > I can reluctantly accept that modified smever is published as > > > Experimental. But that doesn't mean that IETF modules should= use it. > > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Reshad. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2020-03-20, 5:08 PM, "netmod on behalf of Reshad Rahman > (rrahman)" > > > > > > > rrahman=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Martin, > > > > > > > > We've opened issues to track your review comments (see = below). > Will > > > > kick off separate therads for each issue. > > > > > > > > https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver- > dt/issues?q=3Dis%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aupdated-mod-rev-handling > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Reshad. > > > > > > > > On 2020-03-10, 3:31 PM, "netmod on behalf of Martin Bj= =F6rklund" > > > > = wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Here are my review comments of > > > > draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.1.1 > > > > > > > > o In statements that have any data definition = statements as > > > > substatements, those data definition substat= ements MAY be > > > > reordered, as long as they do not change the= ordering or any > > > > "rpc" > > > > "input" substatements. > > > > > > > > I think this needs to capture that no descendant = statements to > > > > "input" can be reordered. Same for "output" (not= e, "input" and > > > > "output" in both "rpc" and "action"). > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.3 > > > > > > > > All revision labels that match the pattern for = the "version" > > > > typedef in the ietf-yang-semver YANG module MUS= T be > interpreted as > > > > YANG semantic version numbers. > > > > > > > > I don't think this is a good idea. Seems like a = layer violation. > > > > What if my project use another dialect of semver,= that wouldn't > be > > > > possible with this rule. I think this needs to b= e removed. > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.3 > > > > > > > > Submodules MUST NOT use revision label schemes = that could > be > > > > confused > > > > with the including module's revision label sche= me. > > > > > > > > Hmm, how do I ensure that this MUST NOT is handle= d correctly? > What > > > > exactly does "could be confused with" mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.3 > > > > > > > > In the filename of a YANG module, where it ta= kes the form: > > > > module- > > > > or-submodule-name ['@' revision-label] ( '.ya= ng' / '.yin' ) > > > > > > > > Should this section update 5.2 of RFC 7950? I kn= ow that 5.2 just > > > > says "SHOULD". But existing tools implement this= SHOULD, and > they > > > > need to be updated to handle this new convention. > > > > > > > > But I wonder if this a good idea. It means that = a tool that looks > > > > for a module with a certain revision date cannot = simply check > the > > > > filenames, but need to parse all available module= s (wijust to > find > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.4 > > > > > > > > leaf imperial-temperature { > > > > type int64; > > > > units "degrees Fahrenheit"; > > > > status deprecated { > > > > rev:status-description > > > > "Imperial measurements are being phased = out in favor > > > > of their metric equivalents. Use metri= c-temperature > > > > instead."; > > > > } > > > > description > > > > "Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit."; > > > > } > > > > > > > > I don't think rev:status-description is necessary= / worth it. This > > > > can easily be written with the normal description= statement > instead: > > > > > > > > leaf imperial-temperature { > > > > type int64; > > > > units "degrees Fahrenheit"; > > > > status deprecated; > > > > description > > > > "Imperial measurements are being phased = out in favor > > > > of their metric equivalents. Use metri= c-temperature > > > > instead. > > > > > > > > Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit."; > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.5 > > > > > > > > The example modules should be legal YANG modules.= Use e.g. > > > > "urn:example:module" as namespace. > > > > > > > > Also, the modules are missing the last "}", which= confuses the > > > > "rfcstrip" tool. > > > > > > > > > > > > o 4.1.1 > > > > > > > > Alternatively, the first example could have use= d the revision > > > > label > > > > "1.0.0" instead, which selects the same set of > revisions/versions. > > > > > > > > import example-module { > > > > rev:revision-or-derived 1.0.0; > > > > } > > > > > > > > Shouldn't this be s/1.0.0/2.0.0/g ? > > > > > > > > > > > > o 5 > > > > > > > > I think the module name "ietf-yl-revisions" shoul= d be changed > to > > > > "ietf-yang-library-revisions". "yl" is not a we= ll-known acronym. > > > > > > > > > > > > o 5.2.2 > > > > > > > > Wouldn't it be better if the leaf "deprecated-nod= es- > implemented" and > > > > "obsolete-nodes-absent" were of type "boolean" ra= ther than > type > > > > "empty"? > > > > > > > > > > > > o 7.1 > > > > > > > > The text says: > > > > > > > > All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-lab= el statements > for > > > > all > > > > newly published YANG modules, and all newly pub= lished > revisions of > > > > existing YANG modules. The revision-label MUST= take the form > of a > > > > YANG semantic version number [I-D.verdt-netmod-= yang- > semver]. > > > > > > > > I strongly disagree with this new rule. IETF mod= ules use a linear > > > > history, so there are no reasons to use "modified= semver". > > > > > > > > It is ok to use rev:nbc-changes if needed, though= . > > > > > > > > > > > > o 7.1.1 > > > > > > > > There is a missing " in: > > > > > > > > 4. For status "obsolete", it is RECOMMENDED to = keep the > "status- > > > > description" information, from when the node= had status > > > > "deprecated, which is still relevant. > > > > HERE -----------^ > > > > > > > > > > > > o 8 > > > > > > > > s/CODE ENDS>// > > > > > > > > > > > > o Both YANG modules > > > > > > > > All extensions should specify the grammar; i.e., = in which > statements > > > > they can be present and which substatements they = can have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > netmod mailing list > > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > netmod mailing list > > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > 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mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 7A053306CA5E; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 17:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 23:50:46 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20200330.235046.60166687757387667.id@4668.se> To: jason.sterne@nokia.com Cc: rrahman@cisco.com, netmod@ietf.org From: Martin =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rklund?= In-Reply-To: References: <047FB87D-37B2-41F4-86D2-B9A03050B4EB@cisco.com> <20200330.223957.1196399215343087647.id@4668.se> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.8 on Emacs 25.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-label statements X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 21:51:03 -0000 "Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" wrote: > > But it is not true. What happened between 1.0.2M and 1.0.3M? > = > It tells you there is an NBC change between 1.0.2M and 1.0.3M. No. As you note below it says that all bets are off. The change between these two could be a spelling error fix. Hence, Reshad's statement that "The revision label allows a user to easily figure out whether 2 revisions are (N)BC." is not correct. > The M gives an indication that a branch has been "poisoned" by an > NBC change and that all bets are off from that point onwards in that > branch. /martin > = > > -----Original Message----- > > From: netmod On Behalf Of Martin Bj=F6rkl= und > > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 4:40 PM > > To: rrahman@cisco.com > > Cc: netmod@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [netmod] All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-l= abel > > statements > > = > > "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" wrote: > > > > > > On 2020-03-30, 2:20 PM, "Martin Bj=F6rklund" w= rote: > > > > > > "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" wrote: > > > > On 2020-03-28, 4:41 AM, "Martin Bj=F6rklund" wrote: > > > > > > > > "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/issues/45 > > > > > > > > > > o 7.1 > > > > > > > > > > The text says: > > > > > > > > > > All IETF YANG modules MUST include revisi= on-label statements > > for > > > > > all > > > > > newly published YANG modules, and all new= ly published > > revisions of > > > > > existing YANG modules. The revision-labe= l MUST take the form > > of a > > > > > YANG semantic version number [I-D.verdt-n= etmod-yang- > > semver]. > > > > > > > > > > I strongly disagree with this new rule. IE= TF modules use a linear > > > > > history, so there are no reasons to use "mo= dified semver". > > > > > > > > > > It is ok to use rev:nbc-changes if needed, = though. > > > > > > > > > > We believe some IETF models may not follow linear his= tory, this was > > > > > brought up (I think) for IDR. Modified semver allows = for non-linear > > > > > history and also doesn't preclude linear history. So = even if we end up > > > > > having no IETF modules using branching, modified semv= er still works. > > > > > > > > With the clarifiactions and updates in > > > > draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning, non-linear v= ersioning > > > > works without modified semver. So there is no technica= l reason to use > > > > modified semver in IETF modules. > > > > > > > > So are you proposing we use some other revision-label schem= e (e.g. > > semver 2.0.0) for IETF modules? > > > > > > > > Or that IETF modules shouldn't use revision-labels? > > > > > > That IETF shouldn't use revision labels. > > > > > > The revision label allows a user to easily figure out whether 2 > > > revisions are (N)BC. > > = > > I think you meant "modified semver as revision label allows ..." > > = > > But it is not true. What happened between 1.0.2M and 1.0.3M? > > = > > = > > /martin > > = > > = > > > Without the label, you always have to use tooling. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Reshad. > > > > > > I am all for using rev:nbc-changes or rev:editorial-changes (= which I > > > think should be added) in IETF modules. > > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or do you have something else in mind? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Reshad. > > > > > > > > I can reluctantly accept that modified smever is publis= hed as > > > > Experimental. But that doesn't mean that IETF modules = should use it. > > > > > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Reshad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2020-03-20, 5:08 PM, "netmod on behalf of Reshad R= ahman > > (rrahman)" > > > > > > > > > rrahman=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Martin, > > > > > > > > > > We've opened issues to track your review comments= (see below). > > Will > > > > > kick off separate therads for each issue. > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver- > > dt/issues?q=3Dis%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aupdated-mod-rev-handling= > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Reshad. > > > > > > > > > > On 2020-03-10, 3:31 PM, "netmod on behalf of Mart= in Bj=F6rklund" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > Here are my review comments of > > > > > draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01.= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.1.1 > > > > > > > > > > o In statements that have any data defin= ition statements as > > > > > substatements, those data definition s= ubstatements MAY be > > > > > reordered, as long as they do not chan= ge the ordering or any > > > > > "rpc" > > > > > "input" substatements. > > > > > > > > > > I think this needs to capture that no desce= ndant statements to > > > > > "input" can be reordered. Same for "output= " (note, "input" and > > > > > "output" in both "rpc" and "action"). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.3 > > > > > > > > > > All revision labels that match the patter= n for the "version" > > > > > typedef in the ietf-yang-semver YANG modu= le MUST be > > interpreted as > > > > > YANG semantic version numbers. > > > > > > > > > > I don't think this is a good idea. Seems l= ike a layer violation. > > > > > What if my project use another dialect of s= emver, that wouldn't > > be > > > > > possible with this rule. I think this need= s to be removed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.3 > > > > > > > > > > Submodules MUST NOT use revision label sc= hemes that could > > be > > > > > confused > > > > > with the including module's revision labe= l scheme. > > > > > > > > > > Hmm, how do I ensure that this MUST NOT is = handled correctly? > > What > > > > > exactly does "could be confused with" mean?= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.3 > > > > > > > > > > In the filename of a YANG module, where= it takes the form: > > > > > module- > > > > > or-submodule-name ['@' revision-label] = ( '.yang' / '.yin' ) > > > > > > > > > > Should this section update 5.2 of RFC 7950?= I know that 5.2 just > > > > > says "SHOULD". But existing tools implemen= t this SHOULD, and > > they > > > > > need to be updated to handle this new conve= ntion. > > > > > > > > > > But I wonder if this a good idea. It means= that a tool that looks > > > > > for a module with a certain revision date c= annot simply check > > the > > > > > filenames, but need to parse all available = modules (wijust to > > find > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.4 > > > > > > > > > > leaf imperial-temperature { > > > > > type int64; > > > > > units "degrees Fahrenheit"; > > > > > status deprecated { > > > > > rev:status-description > > > > > "Imperial measurements are being p= hased out in favor > > > > > of their metric equivalents. Use= metric-temperature > > > > > instead."; > > > > > } > > > > > description > > > > > "Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit."= ; > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > I don't think rev:status-description is nec= essary / worth it. This > > > > > can easily be written with the normal descr= iption statement > > instead: > > > > > > > > > > leaf imperial-temperature { > > > > > type int64; > > > > > units "degrees Fahrenheit"; > > > > > status deprecated; > > > > > description > > > > > "Imperial measurements are being p= hased out in favor > > > > > of their metric equivalents. Use= metric-temperature > > > > > instead. > > > > > > > > > > Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit= ."; > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.5 > > > > > > > > > > The example modules should be legal YANG mo= dules. Use e.g. > > > > > "urn:example:module" as namespace. > > > > > > > > > > Also, the modules are missing the last "}",= which confuses the > > > > > "rfcstrip" tool. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 4.1.1 > > > > > > > > > > Alternatively, the first example could ha= ve used the revision > > > > > label > > > > > "1.0.0" instead, which selects the same s= et of > > revisions/versions. > > > > > > > > > > import example-module { > > > > > rev:revision-or-derived 1.0.0; > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > Shouldn't this be s/1.0.0/2.0.0/g ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 5 > > > > > > > > > > I think the module name "ietf-yl-revisions"= should be changed > > to > > > > > "ietf-yang-library-revisions". "yl" is no= t a well-known acronym. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 5.2.2 > > > > > > > > > > Wouldn't it be better if the leaf "deprecat= ed-nodes- > > implemented" and > > > > > "obsolete-nodes-absent" were of type "boole= an" rather than > > type > > > > > "empty"? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 7.1 > > > > > > > > > > The text says: > > > > > > > > > > All IETF YANG modules MUST include revisi= on-label statements > > for > > > > > all > > > > > newly published YANG modules, and all new= ly published > > revisions of > > > > > existing YANG modules. The revision-labe= l MUST take the form > > of a > > > > > YANG semantic version number [I-D.verdt-n= etmod-yang- > > semver]. > > > > > > > > > > I strongly disagree with this new rule. IE= TF modules use a linear > > > > > history, so there are no reasons to use "mo= dified semver". > > > > > > > > > > It is ok to use rev:nbc-changes if needed, = though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 7.1.1 > > > > > > > > > > There is a missing " in: > > > > > > > > > > 4. For status "obsolete", it is RECOMMEND= ED to keep the > > "status- > > > > > description" information, from when th= e node had status > > > > > "deprecated, which is still relevant. > > > > > HERE -----------^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 8 > > > > > > > > > > s/CODE ENDS>// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o Both YANG modules > > > > > > > > > > All extensions should specify the grammar; = i.e., in which > > statements > > > > > they can be present and which substatements= they can have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________= __ > > > > > netmod mailing list > > > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > netmod mailing list > > > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > netmod mailing list > > netmod@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod From nobody Mon Mar 30 14:56:58 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F42283A13F5 for ; 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netmod@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netmod] All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-label > statements >=20 > "Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" wrote: > > > But it is not true. What happened between 1.0.2M and 1.0.3M? > > > > It tells you there is an NBC change between 1.0.2M and 1.0.3M. >=20 > No. As you note below it says that all bets are off. The change > between these two could be a spelling error fix. Hence, Reshad's > statement that "The revision label allows a user to easily figure out > whether 2 revisions are (N)BC." is not correct. [>>JTS: ] You are correct and I made a mistake in my reply (looked too quic= kly). The M gives you one chance to indicate a NBC change in a branch. Afte= r that you no longer know (i.e. no worse than no revision label at all). it is a compromise that allows: - knowledge about the nature of changes on a branch that hasn't been poison= ed yet - one chance to alert users that an NBC change was made on a branch That is useful enough to have it IMO.=20 >=20 > > The M gives an indication that a branch has been "poisoned" by an > > NBC change and that all bets are off from that point onwards in that > > branch. >=20 >=20 > /martin >=20 >=20 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: netmod On Behalf Of Martin Bj=F6rklun= d > > > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 4:40 PM > > > To: rrahman@cisco.com > > > Cc: netmod@ietf.org > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-lab= el > > > statements > > > > > > "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" wrote: > > > > > > > > On 2020-03-30, 2:20 PM, "Martin Bj=F6rklund" wro= te: > > > > > > > > "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" wrote: > > > > > On 2020-03-28, 4:41 AM, "Martin Bj=F6rklund" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/issues/45 > > > > > > > > > > > > o 7.1 > > > > > > > > > > > > The text says: > > > > > > > > > > > > All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision= -label > statements > > > for > > > > > > all > > > > > > newly published YANG modules, and all newly= published > > > revisions of > > > > > > existing YANG modules. The revision-label = MUST take the > form > > > of a > > > > > > YANG semantic version number [I-D.verdt-net= mod-yang- > > > semver]. > > > > > > > > > > > > I strongly disagree with this new rule. IETF= modules use a > linear > > > > > > history, so there are no reasons to use "modi= fied semver". > > > > > > > > > > > > It is ok to use rev:nbc-changes if needed, th= ough. > > > > > > > > > > > > We believe some IETF models may not follow linear histo= ry, this > was > > > > > > brought up (I think) for IDR. Modified semver allows fo= r non- > linear > > > > > > history and also doesn't preclude linear history. So ev= en if we end > up > > > > > > having no IETF modules using branching, modified semver= still > works. > > > > > > > > > > With the clarifiactions and updates in > > > > > draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning, non-linear ver= sioning > > > > > works without modified semver. So there is no technical = reason to > use > > > > > modified semver in IETF modules. > > > > > > > > > > So are you proposing we use some other revision-label scheme = (e.g. > > > semver 2.0.0) for IETF modules? > > > > > > > > > > Or that IETF modules shouldn't use revision-labels? > > > > > > > > That IETF shouldn't use revision labels. > > > > > > > > The revision label allows a user to easily figure out whether 2 > > > > revisions are (N)BC. > > > > > > I think you meant "modified semver as revision label allows ..." > > > > > > But it is not true. What happened between 1.0.2M and 1.0.3M? > > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > > > Without the label, you always have to use tooling. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Reshad. > > > > > > > > I am all for using rev:nbc-changes or rev:editorial-changes (wh= ich I > > > > think should be added) in IETF modules. > > > > > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or do you have something else in mind? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Reshad. > > > > > > > > > > I can reluctantly accept that modified smever is publishe= d as > > > > > Experimental. But that doesn't mean that IETF modules sh= ould use > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Reshad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2020-03-20, 5:08 PM, "netmod on behalf of Reshad Rah= man > > > (rrahman)" > > > > > > > > > > > rrahman=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Martin, > > > > > > > > > > > > We've opened issues to track your review comments (= see > below). > > > Will > > > > > > kick off separate therads for each issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver- > > > dt/issues?q=3Dis%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aupdated-mod-rev-handling > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Reshad. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2020-03-10, 3:31 PM, "netmod on behalf of Martin > Bj=F6rklund" > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are my review comments of > > > > > > draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.1.1 > > > > > > > > > > > > o In statements that have any data definit= ion statements > as > > > > > > substatements, those data definition sub= statements MAY > be > > > > > > reordered, as long as they do not change= the ordering or > any > > > > > > "rpc" > > > > > > "input" substatements. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this needs to capture that no descend= ant statements > to > > > > > > "input" can be reordered. Same for "output" = (note, "input" > and > > > > > > "output" in both "rpc" and "action"). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.3 > > > > > > > > > > > > All revision labels that match the pattern = for the "version" > > > > > > typedef in the ietf-yang-semver YANG module= MUST be > > > interpreted as > > > > > > YANG semantic version numbers. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think this is a good idea. Seems lik= e a layer violation. > > > > > > What if my project use another dialect of sem= ver, that > wouldn't > > > be > > > > > > possible with this rule. I think this needs = to be removed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.3 > > > > > > > > > > > > Submodules MUST NOT use revision label sche= mes that > could > > > be > > > > > > confused > > > > > > with the including module's revision label = scheme. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm, how do I ensure that this MUST NOT is ha= ndled > correctly? > > > What > > > > > > exactly does "could be confused with" mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.3 > > > > > > > > > > > > In the filename of a YANG module, where i= t takes the form: > > > > > > module- > > > > > > or-submodule-name ['@' revision-label] ( = '.yang' / '.yin' ) > > > > > > > > > > > > Should this section update 5.2 of RFC 7950? = I know that 5.2 > just > > > > > > says "SHOULD". But existing tools implement = this SHOULD, > and > > > they > > > > > > need to be updated to handle this new convent= ion. > > > > > > > > > > > > But I wonder if this a good idea. It means t= hat a tool that > looks > > > > > > for a module with a certain revision date can= not simply > check > > > the > > > > > > filenames, but need to parse all available mo= dules (wijust to > > > find > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.4 > > > > > > > > > > > > leaf imperial-temperature { > > > > > > type int64; > > > > > > units "degrees Fahrenheit"; > > > > > > status deprecated { > > > > > > rev:status-description > > > > > > "Imperial measurements are being pha= sed out in favor > > > > > > of their metric equivalents. Use m= etric-temperature > > > > > > instead."; > > > > > > } > > > > > > description > > > > > > "Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit."; > > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think rev:status-description is neces= sary / worth it. > This > > > > > > can easily be written with the normal descrip= tion statement > > > instead: > > > > > > > > > > > > leaf imperial-temperature { > > > > > > type int64; > > > > > > units "degrees Fahrenheit"; > > > > > > status deprecated; > > > > > > description > > > > > > "Imperial measurements are being pha= sed out in favor > > > > > > of their metric equivalents. Use m= etric-temperature > > > > > > instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit."= ; > > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.5 > > > > > > > > > > > > The example modules should be legal YANG modu= les. Use > e.g. > > > > > > "urn:example:module" as namespace. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, the modules are missing the last "}", w= hich confuses > the > > > > > > "rfcstrip" tool. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 4.1.1 > > > > > > > > > > > > Alternatively, the first example could have= used the revision > > > > > > label > > > > > > "1.0.0" instead, which selects the same set= of > > > revisions/versions. > > > > > > > > > > > > import example-module { > > > > > > rev:revision-or-derived 1.0.0; > > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > > > Shouldn't this be s/1.0.0/2.0.0/g ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 5 > > > > > > > > > > > > I think the module name "ietf-yl-revisions" s= hould be > changed > > > to > > > > > > "ietf-yang-library-revisions". "yl" is not = a well-known > acronym. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 5.2.2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Wouldn't it be better if the leaf "deprecated= -nodes- > > > implemented" and > > > > > > "obsolete-nodes-absent" were of type "boolean= " rather than > > > type > > > > > > "empty"? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 7.1 > > > > > > > > > > > > The text says: > > > > > > > > > > > > All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision= -label > statements > > > for > > > > > > all > > > > > > newly published YANG modules, and all newly= published > > > revisions of > > > > > > existing YANG modules. The revision-label = MUST take the > form > > > of a > > > > > > YANG semantic version number [I-D.verdt-net= mod-yang- > > > semver]. > > > > > > > > > > > > I strongly disagree with this new rule. IETF= modules use a > linear > > > > > > history, so there are no reasons to use "modi= fied semver". > > > > > > > > > > > > It is ok to use rev:nbc-changes if needed, th= ough. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 7.1.1 > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a missing " in: > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. For status "obsolete", it is RECOMMENDED= to keep the > > > "status- > > > > > > description" information, from when the = node had status > > > > > > "deprecated, which is still relevant. > > > > > > HERE -----------^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 8 > > > > > > > > > > > > s/CODE ENDS>// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o Both YANG modules > > > > > > > > > > > > All extensions should specify the grammar; i.= e., in which > > > statements > > > > > > they can be present and which substatements t= hey can have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > netmod mailing list > > > > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > netmod mailing list > > > > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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ANhLgQ2ajfo7JSoXCWc81HzAIb+s9Mvbtxm4qsictWNJfPHr8SON9Mgb ADM2B2FN2I1W+q86SAzu6bZDDDZB7+b10caRChsAzw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADFU+vsrkpeiMSc/xvdXrh+YD2q+0j84jkFDCqRdOzZ24rK3A+ZG4BjWOWamU/zCCudKBBP/bnPpRa7yL17ZnGn8iQU= X-Received: by 2002:a25:7208:: with SMTP id n8mr25476305ybc.234.1585606541236; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 15:15:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <047FB87D-37B2-41F4-86D2-B9A03050B4EB@cisco.com> <20200330.223957.1196399215343087647.id@4668.se> <20200330.235046.60166687757387667.id@4668.se> In-Reply-To: From: Andy Bierman Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 15:15:28 -0700 Message-ID: To: "Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Martin_Bj=C3=B6rklund?= , "netmod@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a4f11105a219cac3" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-label statements X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 22:15:59 -0000 --000000000000a4f11105a219cac3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:57 PM Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) < jason.sterne@nokia.com> wrote: > Please see inline > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund > > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 5:51 PM > > To: Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) > > Cc: rrahman@cisco.com; netmod@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [netmod] All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-label > > statements > > > > "Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" wrote: > > > > But it is not true. What happened between 1.0.2M and 1.0.3M? > > > > > > It tells you there is an NBC change between 1.0.2M and 1.0.3M. > > > > No. As you note below it says that all bets are off. The change > > between these two could be a spelling error fix. Hence, Reshad's > > statement that "The revision label allows a user to easily figure out > > whether 2 revisions are (N)BC." is not correct. > > [>>JTS: ] You are correct and I made a mistake in my reply (looked too > quickly). The M gives you one chance to indicate a NBC change in a branch= . > After that you no longer know (i.e. no worse than no revision label at al= l). > it is a compromise that allows: > - knowledge about the nature of changes on a branch that hasn't been > poisoned yet > - one chance to alert users that an NBC change was made on a branch > That is useful enough to have it IMO. > > Don't agree. Also find the argument that the revision history will be incomplete not convincing. If a developer knows enough to add the M then they can know enough to fill in the revision-stmt correctly. > > > > > The M gives an indication that a branch has been "poisoned" by an > > > NBC change and that all bets are off from that point onwards in that > > > branch. > > > > > > /martin > Andy > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: netmod On Behalf Of Martin Bj=C3=B6= rklund > > > > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 4:40 PM > > > > To: rrahman@cisco.com > > > > Cc: netmod@ietf.org > > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] All IETF YANG modules MUST include > revision-label > > > > statements > > > > > > > > "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 2020-03-30, 2:20 PM, "Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" wrote: > > > > > > On 2020-03-28, 4:41 AM, "Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/issues/45 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 7.1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The text says: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All IETF YANG modules MUST include > revision-label > > statements > > > > for > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > newly published YANG modules, and all > newly published > > > > revisions of > > > > > > > existing YANG modules. The revision-labe= l > MUST take the > > form > > > > of a > > > > > > > YANG semantic version number > [I-D.verdt-netmod-yang- > > > > semver]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I strongly disagree with this new rule. > IETF modules use a > > linear > > > > > > > history, so there are no reasons to use > "modified semver". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is ok to use rev:nbc-changes if needed, > though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We believe some IETF models may not follow linear > history, this > > was > > > > > > > brought up (I think) for IDR. Modified semver allows > for non- > > linear > > > > > > > history and also doesn't preclude linear history. So > even if we end > > up > > > > > > > having no IETF modules using branching, modified > semver still > > works. > > > > > > > > > > > > With the clarifiactions and updates in > > > > > > draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning, non-linear > versioning > > > > > > works without modified semver. So there is no technica= l > reason to > > use > > > > > > modified semver in IETF modules. > > > > > > > > > > > > So are you proposing we use some other revision-label schem= e > (e.g. > > > > semver 2.0.0) for IETF modules? > > > > > > > > > > > > Or that IETF modules shouldn't use revision-labels? > > > > > > > > > > That IETF shouldn't use revision labels. > > > > > > > > > > The revision label allows a user to easily figure out whether 2 > > > > > revisions are (N)BC. > > > > > > > > I think you meant "modified semver as revision label allows ..." > > > > > > > > But it is not true. What happened between 1.0.2M and 1.0.3M? > > > > > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without the label, you always have to use tooling. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Reshad. > > > > > > > > > > I am all for using rev:nbc-changes or rev:editorial-changes > (which I > > > > > think should be added) in IETF modules. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or do you have something else in mind? > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Reshad. > > > > > > > > > > > > I can reluctantly accept that modified smever is > published as > > > > > > Experimental. But that doesn't mean that IETF modules > should use > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Reshad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2020-03-20, 5:08 PM, "netmod on behalf of Reshad > Rahman > > > > (rrahman)" > > > > > > > > > > > > > rrahman=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Martin, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've opened issues to track your review comments > (see > > below). > > > > Will > > > > > > > kick off separate therads for each issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver- > > > > dt/issues?q=3Dis%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aupdated-mod-rev-handling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Reshad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2020-03-10, 3:31 PM, "netmod on behalf of Mart= in > > Bj=C3=B6rklund" > > > > > > > mbj+ietf@4668..se> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are my review comments of > > > > > > > draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.1.1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o In statements that have any data > definition statements > > as > > > > > > > substatements, those data definition > substatements MAY > > be > > > > > > > reordered, as long as they do not > change the ordering or > > any > > > > > > > "rpc" > > > > > > > "input" substatements. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this needs to capture that no > descendant statements > > to > > > > > > > "input" can be reordered. Same for "output= " > (note, "input" > > and > > > > > > > "output" in both "rpc" and "action"). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All revision labels that match the patter= n > for the "version" > > > > > > > typedef in the ietf-yang-semver YANG > module MUST be > > > > interpreted as > > > > > > > YANG semantic version numbers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think this is a good idea. Seems > like a layer violation. > > > > > > > What if my project use another dialect of > semver, that > > wouldn't > > > > be > > > > > > > possible with this rule. I think this need= s > to be removed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Submodules MUST NOT use revision label > schemes that > > could > > > > be > > > > > > > confused > > > > > > > with the including module's revision labe= l > scheme. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm, how do I ensure that this MUST NOT is > handled > > correctly? > > > > What > > > > > > > exactly does "could be confused with" mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the filename of a YANG module, where > it takes the form: > > > > > > > module- > > > > > > > or-submodule-name ['@' revision-label] = ( > '.yang' / '.yin' ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should this section update 5.2 of RFC 7950? > I know that 5.2 > > just > > > > > > > says "SHOULD". But existing tools implemen= t > this SHOULD, > > and > > > > they > > > > > > > need to be updated to handle this new > convention. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I wonder if this a good idea. It means > that a tool that > > looks > > > > > > > for a module with a certain revision date > cannot simply > > check > > > > the > > > > > > > filenames, but need to parse all available > modules (wijust to > > > > find > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leaf imperial-temperature { > > > > > > > type int64; > > > > > > > units "degrees Fahrenheit"; > > > > > > > status deprecated { > > > > > > > rev:status-description > > > > > > > "Imperial measurements are being > phased out in favor > > > > > > > of their metric equivalents. Use > metric-temperature > > > > > > > instead."; > > > > > > > } > > > > > > > description > > > > > > > "Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit."= ; > > > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think rev:status-description is > necessary / worth it. > > This > > > > > > > can easily be written with the normal > description statement > > > > instead: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leaf imperial-temperature { > > > > > > > type int64; > > > > > > > units "degrees Fahrenheit"; > > > > > > > status deprecated; > > > > > > > description > > > > > > > "Imperial measurements are being > phased out in favor > > > > > > > of their metric equivalents. Use > metric-temperature > > > > > > > instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Temperature in degrees > Fahrenheit."; > > > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The example modules should be legal YANG > modules. Use > > e.g. > > > > > > > "urn:example:module" as namespace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, the modules are missing the last "}", > which confuses > > the > > > > > > > "rfcstrip" tool. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 4.1.1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alternatively, the first example could > have used the revision > > > > > > > label > > > > > > > "1.0.0" instead, which selects the same > set of > > > > revisions/versions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > import example-module { > > > > > > > rev:revision-or-derived 1.0.0; > > > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shouldn't this be s/1.0.0/2.0.0/g ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think the module name "ietf-yl-revisions" > should be > > changed > > > > to > > > > > > > "ietf-yang-library-revisions". "yl" is no= t > a well-known > > acronym. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 5.2.2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wouldn't it be better if the leaf > "deprecated-nodes- > > > > implemented" and > > > > > > > "obsolete-nodes-absent" were of type > "boolean" rather than > > > > type > > > > > > > "empty"? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 7.1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The text says: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All IETF YANG modules MUST include > revision-label > > statements > > > > for > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > newly published YANG modules, and all > newly published > > > > revisions of > > > > > > > existing YANG modules. The revision-labe= l > MUST take the > > form > > > > of a > > > > > > > YANG semantic version number > [I-D.verdt-netmod-yang- > > > > semver]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I strongly disagree with this new rule. > IETF modules use a > > linear > > > > > > > history, so there are no reasons to use > "modified semver". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is ok to use rev:nbc-changes if needed, > though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 7.1.1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a missing " in: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. For status "obsolete", it is > RECOMMENDED to keep the > > > > "status- > > > > > > > description" information, from when th= e > node had status > > > > > > > "deprecated, which is still relevant. > > > > > > > HERE -----------^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > s/CODE ENDS>// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o Both YANG modules > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All extensions should specify the grammar; > i.e., in which > > > > statements > > > > > > > they can be present and which substatements > they can have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________= __ > > > > > > > netmod mailing list > > > > > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > netmod mailing list > > > > > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > netmod mailing list > > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > --000000000000a4f11105a219cac3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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Please see inline

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund <mbj+ietf@4668.se>
> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 5:51 PM
> To: Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) <jason.sterne@nokia.com>
> Cc: rrahman@cis= co.com; netmod@iet= f.org
> Subject: Re: [netmod] All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-labe= l
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>
> "Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" <jason.sterne@nokia.com> wrot= e:
> > > But it is not true.=C2=A0 What happened between 1.0.2M and 1= .0.3M?
> >
> > It tells you there is an NBC change between 1.0.2M and 1.0.3M. >
> No.=C2=A0 As you note below it says that all bets are off.=C2=A0 The c= hange
> between these two could be a spelling error fix.=C2=A0 Hence, Reshad&#= 39;s
> statement that "The revision label allows a user to easily figure= out
> whether 2 revisions are (N)BC." is not correct.

[>>JTS: ] You are correct and I made a mistake in my reply (looked to= o quickly). The M gives you one chance to indicate a NBC change in a branch= . After that you no longer know (i.e. no worse than no revision label at al= l).
it is a compromise that allows:
- knowledge about the nature of changes on a branch that hasn't been po= isoned yet
- one chance to alert users that an NBC change was made on a branch
That is useful enough to have it IMO.


Don't agree.
Also find t= he argument that the revision history will be incomplete not convincing.
If a developer knows enough to add the M then they can know enough = to
fill in the revision-stmt correctly.
=C2=A0
>
> > The M gives an indication that a branch has been "poisoned&q= uot; by an
> > NBC change and that all bets are off from that point onwards in t= hat
> > branch.
>
>
> /martin

=C2=A0Andy

<= /div>
>
>
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Martin Bj=C3= =B6rklund
> > > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 4:40 PM
> > > To: r= rahman@cisco.com
> > > Cc: net= mod@ietf.org
> > > Subject: Re: [netmod] All IETF YANG modules MUST include rev= ision-label
> > > statements
> > >
> > > "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" <rrahman@cisco.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On 2020-03-30, 2:20 PM, "Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund&quo= t; <mbj+ietf@466= 8.se> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" = <rrahman@cisco.co= m> wrote:
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> On 2020-03-28, 4:41 AM, "M= artin Bj=C3=B6rklund" <mbj+ietf@4668.se>
> wrote:
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"Reshad= Rahman (rrahman)" <rrahman@cisco.com> wrote:
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Hi,
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/issues/45 > > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 7.1
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The text says:
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0All IETF YANG modules MUST include= revision-label
> statements
> > > for
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0all
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0newly published YANG modules, and = all newly published
> > > revisions of
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0existing YANG modules.=C2=A0 The r= evision-label MUST take the
> form
> > > of a
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0YANG semantic version number [I-D.= verdt-netmod-yang-
> > > semver].
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I strongly disagree with this new rule.= =C2=A0 IETF modules use a
> linear
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0history, so there are no reasons to use &= quot;modified semver".
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0It is ok to use rev:nbc-changes if needed= , though.
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> We beli= eve some IETF models may not follow linear history, this
> was
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> brought= up (I think) for IDR. Modified semver allows for non-
> linear
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> history= and also doesn't preclude linear history. So even if we end
> up
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> having = no IETF modules using branching, modified semver still
> works.
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0With the cla= rifiactions and updates in
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-verdt-= netmod-yang-module-versioning, non-linear versioning
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0works withou= t modified semver.=C2=A0 So there is no technical reason to
> use
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0modified sem= ver in IETF modules.
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> So are you proposing we use som= e other revision-label scheme (e.g.
> > > semver 2.0.0) for IETF modules?
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Or that IETF modules shouldn= 9;t use revision-labels?
> > > >
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0That IETF shouldn't use revision= labels.
> > > >
> > > > The revision label allows a user to easily figure out w= hether 2
> > > > revisions are (N)BC.
> > >
> > > I think you meant "modified semver as revision label al= lows ..."
> > >
> > > But it is not true.=C2=A0 What happened between 1.0.2M and 1= .0.3M?
> > >
> > >
> > > /martin
> > >
> > >
> > > > Without the label, you always have to use tooling.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Reshad.
> > > >
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I am all for using rev:nbc-changes o= r rev:editorial-changes (which I
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0think should be added) in IETF modul= es.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0/martin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Or do you have something else i= n mind?
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Regards,
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Reshad.
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I can reluct= antly accept that modified smever is published as
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Experimental= .=C2=A0 But that doesn't mean that IETF modules should use
> it.
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0/martin
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Regards= ,
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Reshad.=
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> On 2020= -03-20, 5:08 PM, "netmod on behalf of Reshad Rahman
> > > (rrahman)"
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> <netmod-bounces@ie= tf.org on behalf of
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> rrahman= =3D40cisco.= com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0Hi Martin,
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0We've opened issues to track your review comments (see
> below).
> > > Will
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0kick off separate therads for each issue.
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-
> > > dt/issues?q=3Dis%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aupdated-mod-rev-h= andling
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0Regards,
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0Reshad.
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0On 2020-03-10, 3:31 PM, "netmod on behalf of Martin
> Bj=C3=B6rklund"
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0<netmod-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of mbj+ietf@4668..se>
> wrote:
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Hi,
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Here are my review comments of
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-01. > > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 3.1.1
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 In statements that have an= y data definition statements
> as
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 substatements, those data = definition substatements MAY
> be
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 reordered, as long as they= do not change the ordering or
> any
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "rpc"
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "input" substate= ments.
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I think this needs to capture that no des= cendant statements
> to
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"input" can be reordered.=C2=A0= Same for "output" (note, "input"
> and
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"output" in both "rpc"= ; and "action").
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 3.3
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0All revision labels that match the= pattern for the "version"
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0typedef in the ietf-yang-semver YA= NG module MUST be
> > > interpreted as
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0YANG semantic version numbers.
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I don't think this is a good idea.=C2= =A0 Seems like a layer violation.
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0What if my project use another dialect of= semver, that
> wouldn't
> > > be
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0possible with this rule.=C2=A0 I think th= is needs to be removed.
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 3.3
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Submodules MUST NOT use revision l= abel schemes that
> could
> > > be
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0confused
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0with the including module's re= vision label scheme.
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Hmm, how do I ensure that this MUST NOT i= s handled
> correctly?
> > > What
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0exactly does "could be confused with= " mean?
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 3.3
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0In the filename of a YANG m= odule, where it takes the form:
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0module-
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0or-submodule-name ['@&#= 39; revision-label] ( '.yang' / '.yin' )
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Should this section update 5.2 of RFC 795= 0?=C2=A0 I know that 5.2
> just
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0says "SHOULD".=C2=A0 But existi= ng tools implement this SHOULD,
> and
> > > they
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0need to be updated to handle this new con= vention.
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0But I wonder if this a good idea.=C2=A0 I= t means that a tool that
> looks
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0for a module with a certain revision date= cannot simply
> check
> > > the
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0filenames, but need to parse all availabl= e modules (wijust to
> > > find
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 3.4
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 leaf imperial-temperature {
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 type int64;
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 units "degrees Fahren= heit";
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 status deprecated {
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 rev:status-descript= ion
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "Imperi= al measurements are being phased out in favor
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0of the= ir metric equivalents.=C2=A0 Use metric-temperature
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0instea= d.";
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 }
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 description
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "Temperature i= n degrees Fahrenheit.";
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 }
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I don't think rev:status-description = is necessary / worth it.
> This
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0can easily be written with the normal des= cription statement
> > > instead:
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 leaf imperial-temperature {
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 type int64;
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 units "degrees Fahren= heit";
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 status deprecated;
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 description
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "Imperi= al measurements are being phased out in favor
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0of the= ir metric equivalents.=C2=A0 Use metric-temperature
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0instea= d.
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Temper= ature in degrees Fahrenheit.";
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 }
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 3.5
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The example modules should be legal YANG = modules.=C2=A0 Use
> e.g.
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"urn:example:module" as namespa= ce.
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Also, the modules are missing the last &q= uot;}", which confuses
> the
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"rfcstrip" tool.
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o 4.1.1
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Alternatively, the first example c= ould have used the revision
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0label
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"1.0.0" instead, which s= elects the same set of
> > > revisions/versions.
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0import example-module {
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0rev:revision-or-derived 1.0= .0;
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0}
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Shouldn't this be s/1.0.0/2.0.0/g ? > > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 5
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I think the module name "ietf-yl-rev= isions" should be
> changed
> > > to
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"ietf-yang-library-revisions".= =C2=A0 =C2=A0"yl" is not a well-known
> acronym.
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 5.2.2
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Wouldn't it be better if the leaf &qu= ot;deprecated-nodes-
> > > implemented" and
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"obsolete-nodes-absent" were of= type "boolean" rather than
> > > type
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"empty"?
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 7.1
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The text says:
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0All IETF YANG modules MUST include= revision-label
> statements
> > > for
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0all
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0newly published YANG modules, and = all newly published
> > > revisions of
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0existing YANG modules.=C2=A0 The r= evision-label MUST take the
> form
> > > of a
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0YANG semantic version number [I-D.= verdt-netmod-yang-
> > > semver].
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I strongly disagree with this new rule.= =C2=A0 IETF modules use a
> linear
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0history, so there are no reasons to use &= quot;modified semver".
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0It is ok to use rev:nbc-changes if needed= , though.
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o 7.1.1
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0There is a missing " in:
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4.=C2=A0 For status "obsolete"= , it is RECOMMENDED to keep the
> > > "status-
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 description" informat= ion, from when the node had status
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "deprecated, which is= still relevant.
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 HERE=C2=A0 -----------^
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o=C2=A0 8
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0s/CODE ENDS>/<CODE ENDS>/
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o Both YANG modules
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0All extensions should specify the grammar= ; i.e., in which
> > > statements
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0they can be present and which substatemen= ts they can have.
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0/martin
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0_______________________________________________<= br> > > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0netmod mailing list
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0netmod@ietf.org
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://www.ietf.org/mailman/= listinfo/netmod
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0_______________________________________________
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> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/net= mod
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
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--000000000000a4f11105a219cac3-- From nobody Mon Mar 30 15:43:16 2020 Return-Path: <010001712d9cef2c-ad1e2b06-7d1c-4362-98e4-a6d1463e1480-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB25D3A14C4 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 15:43:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.003 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.003 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QH1CuZOGvEl0 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 15:43:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a48-94.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a48-94.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.48.94]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F5D93A0DED for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 15:43:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1585608192; h=From:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Message-Id:Date:To:Feedback-ID; bh=UH7uvkLXzwac1qaBYbrBYr7b0t2TOGcQf1HpAnIxXYw=; b=N+ACj06BnGYmYfTKAN7Con3HwKQsplmbj+AZFj88YjpyWqR6AKnyyNj0KVcs1MBh 7imRY1nqYG5Y9AChAT7sGKxiE/J0pH9ggDYkCWi0Wb6dTT/Cw4ms4fd8uBmJyNGSifT iOhiasy69WNoMB4+mDW2wuToqxYZW2cB2EXmVBN8= From: Kent Watsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Message-ID: <010001712d9cef2c-ad1e2b06-7d1c-4362-98e4-a6d1463e1480-000000@email.amazonses.com> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 22:43:12 +0000 To: "netmod@ietf.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.03.30-54.240.48.94 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] Agenda for Virtual NETMOD Meeting X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 22:43:15 -0000 ALL: - Please find below the agenda for this Thursday=E2=80=99s meeting - Please let the chairs know if any updates to the agenda are needed. PRESENTERS: - Please send slides (in PDF format) to chairs ASAP. - Note: the chairs intend to drive the slides. Agenda for the NETMOD WG Session in IETF 107 -------------------------------------------- Session: Thursday April 2nd PDT: 04:00-06:00=20 EDT: 07:00-09:00 UTC: 11:00-13:00 CST: 19:00-21:00 WG Chairs: Lou Berger (lberger at labs dot net) Kent Watsen (kent plus ietf at watsen dot net) Joel Jaeggli (joelja at bogus dot com) Available During Session: Jabber: xmpp:netmod@jabber.ietf.org?join Etherpad: https://etherpad.ietf.org/p/notes-ietf-107-netmod ICal: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2020-netmod-01/sessions/netmo= d.ics Slides: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2020-netmod-01/session/netmod= WebEx Chat: For virtual queue control (type "+Q" and "-Q" to = enter/leave) WebEx A/V: For session (see below for info) JOIN BY WEBEX: URL: = https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dme2e37606188ba99be744a57adbcd5802= Meeting number (access code): 616 779 982 Meeting password: mYtpMnVP524 JOIN BY PHONE 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) Tap here to call (mobile phones only, hosts not supported): tel:%2B1-650-479-3208,,*01*616779982%23%23*01*=20 1-877-668-4493 Call-in toll free number (US/Canada) Tap here to call (mobile phones only, hosts not supported): tel:1-877-668-4493,,*01*616779982%23%23*01* Toll-free calling restrictions https://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pdf Available Post Session: Recording: WebEx recording be made available after the meeting. Jabber Logs: https://www.ietf.org/jabber/logs/netmod Etherpad: https://etherpad.ietf.org/p/notes-ietf-107-netmod Slides: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2020-netmod-01/session/netmod= =20 Introduction TITLE: Session Intro & WG Status PRESENTER: Chairs Adopted items: TITLE: Recently Adopted YANG Module Versioning Drafts PRESENTER: Authors DRAFT(s) = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-module-versioning-00 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-packages-00 = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-semver-00 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-solutions-00 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-ver-selection-00 = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-versioning-reqs-02 Not-Yet-Adopted items: TITLE: A YANG Data model for ECA Policy Management PRESENTER: Authors DRAFT(s) https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-06 TITLE: YANG Data Node Self Explanation Tags PRESENTER: Tao,Ran DRAFT(s) https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-01 TITLE: 3GPP's UML to YANG Object Module Mapping PRESENTER: Balazs Lengyel DRAFT(s) None From nobody Mon Mar 30 15:48:56 2020 Return-Path: <010001712da22206-5abfb31e-aa12-47b6-983a-1cd6edf6d45b-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F1033A14F8 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 15:48:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.004 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.004 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TTtQbFiN518f for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 15:48:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a48-90.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a48-90.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.48.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECB603A14F2 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 15:48:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1585608532; h=From:Message-Id:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References:Feedback-ID; bh=L2TwNczJZNySPulaBkvqsGNF0DwuNi9Hy39yiWqkilo=; b=aVg3R83/qr+d2OL1jUgxC5J0AdibyA3r/sK494NLPzZF7TnyadnWRlbJBCl8kbLi jq0Fq/LugeTGTXL8DyZQjLjNhRtkjkNKBezl9Pg5Y5OSgiwqwCAqmpAtkYg3jFNKvK1 Fl41O1SovMytqvPcxkYPlX7PNNTmIsatKE+0b7i8= From: Kent Watsen Message-ID: <010001712da22206-5abfb31e-aa12-47b6-983a-1cd6edf6d45b-000000@email.amazonses.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_873E96A0-C043-4887-B418-B0C0C38900AA" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 22:48:52 +0000 In-Reply-To: <20200328.094121.1160081114435152145.id@4668.se> Cc: rrahman@cisco.com, "netmod@ietf.org" To: =?utf-8?Q?Martin_Bj=C3=B6rklund?= References: <75CFDBD9-143C-407A-B7C3-26CEC51E229C@cisco.com> <20200328.094121.1160081114435152145.id@4668.se> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.03.30-54.240.48.90 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-label statements X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 22:48:55 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_873E96A0-C043-4887-B418-B0C0C38900AA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 [I=E2=80=99ve scanned the entire thread before circling back to respond = to this message] > Martin writes: > I can reluctantly accept that modified smever is published as > Experimental. But that doesn't mean that IETF modules should use it. I assume Martin=E2=80=99s reference to Experimental follows my = adoption-call comment here: = https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/uZZqBs1yK0EpbXgRJRFQihHWo5s/ = Changing the "Intended Status=E2=80=9D for an adopted document is easily = done at any time before publication. PS: Andy didn=E2=80=99t participate in the call, though he appears to be = coming in strong now... Kent --Apple-Mail=_873E96A0-C043-4887-B418-B0C0C38900AA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 [I=E2=80=99ve scanned the entire thread before circling back = to respond to this message]


Martin = writes:
I can reluctantly accept that = modified smever is published as
Experimental.  But = that doesn't mean that IETF modules should use it.

I = assume Martin=E2=80=99s reference to Experimental follows my = adoption-call comment here: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/uZZqBs1yK0EpbXgRJR= FQihHWo5s/

Changing the = "Intended Status=E2=80=9D for an adopted document is easily done at any = time before publication.

PS: Andy = didn=E2=80=99t participate in the call, though he appears to be coming = in strong now...

Kent

= --Apple-Mail=_873E96A0-C043-4887-B418-B0C0C38900AA-- From nobody Mon Mar 30 15:53:48 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C87F3A1507 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 15:53:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wqBwrAGMoMM9 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 15:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F47F3A1543 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 15:53:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from client-0151.vpn.uni-bremen.de (client-0151.vpn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.107.151]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 48rnmZ1byXz104R; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 00:53:02 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3608.60.0.2.5\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <010001712d9cef2c-ad1e2b06-7d1c-4362-98e4-a6d1463e1480-000000@email.amazonses.com> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 00:53:01 +0200 Cc: "netmod@ietf.org" X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 607301581.7115901-5b0d9629411744dbbe794ec3dd21e6b0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <010001712d9cef2c-ad1e2b06-7d1c-4362-98e4-a6d1463e1480-000000@email.amazonses.com> To: Kent Watsen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.60.0.2.5) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Agenda for Virtual NETMOD Meeting X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 22:53:47 -0000 On 2020-03-31, at 00:43, Kent Watsen wrote: >=20 > ALL: > - Please find below the agenda for this Thursday=E2=80=99s meeting Hi Kent, there are no indications of how much time is left on this agenda, so I = don=E2=80=99t know how preposterous this is to ask: Should we briefly = talk about the CoRECONF WGLC that will have ended by the time of the = meeting? 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=?utf-8?Q?Bal=C3=A1zs_Lengyel?= References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.03.30-54.240.48.92 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Where can I use ? - rfcstrip X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 23:11:59 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_F052FAA7-A05B-4743-83B8-B8494E0ABED6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Mar 30, 2020, at 12:10 PM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = wrote: >=20 > Hello Kent,=20 > Sorry for not providing a clear pointer to my work. As you have = already found it, I just include it here for reference to others: = https://github.com/BalazsLengyel/rfcstrip = > I assume ggrep is the gnu grep ? Maybe we should make that a variable = for grep like we have for AWK=3Dawk Yes, and so you don=E2=80=99t feel isolated, please note (Martin) that I = have to use =E2=80=9CAWK=3Dgawk=E2=80=9D on MacOS as well=E2=80=A6this = has nothing to do with Balazs=E2=80=99s recent change. > I do not see the additional ^@ at EOF. I tested it on cygwin, which = is mostly GNU compatible. > This is how my file ends > =20 > 3c 2f 69 6e 73 74 61 6e 63 65 2d 64 61 74 61 2d 73 65 74 3e 00 ---- = I=E2=80=99d say to =E2=80=9Cplease test on MacOS=E2=80=9D, but it seems = that Martin=E2=80=99s commit from today no longer contains that `grep` = call: https://github.com/mbj4668/rfcstrip/blob/mbj/artwork/rfcstrip = BTW, Martin, running mbj/artwork on MacOS: WITH AWK=3Dawk: $ ~/Code/GitHub/mbj4668/rfcstrip/rfcstrip -a = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-10.xml=20 awk: cmd. line:13: warning: regexp escape sequence `\"' is not a known = regexp operator example1.xml.folded: 82 lines. awk: cmd. line:13: warning: regexp escape sequence `\"' is not a known = regexp operator example2.xml: 32 lines. awk: cmd. line:13: warning: regexp escape sequence `\"' is not a known = regexp operator example3.json: 26 lines. WITH AWK=3Dgawk: $ ~/Code/GitHub/mbj4668/rfcstrip/rfcstrip -a = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-10.xml=20 gawk: cmd. line:13: warning: regexp escape sequence `\"' is not a known = regexp operator example1.xml.folded: 82 lines. gawk: cmd. line:13: warning: regexp escape sequence `\"' is not a known = regexp operator example2.xml: 32 lines. gawk: cmd. line:13: warning: regexp escape sequence `\"' is not a known = regexp operator example3.json: 26 lines. Kent // contributor --Apple-Mail=_F052FAA7-A05B-4743-83B8-B8494E0ABED6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

On Mar 30, 2020, at 12:10 PM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com> wrote:

Hello = Kent, 
Sorry for = not providing a clear pointer to my work. As you have already found it, = I just include it here for reference to others: https://github.com/BalazsLengyel/rfcstrip
I assume = ggrep is the gnu grep ? Maybe we should make that a variable for grep = like we have for AWK=3Dawk

Yes, and so you don=E2=80=99t feel isolated, = please note (Martin) that I have to use =E2=80=9CAWK=3Dgawk=E2=80=9D on = MacOS as well=E2=80=A6this has nothing to do with Balazs=E2=80=99s = recent change.


I do not = see the additional ^@ at EOF.  I tested it on cygwin, which is = mostly GNU compatible.
This is = how my file ends
 
3c 2f 69 6e 73 74 61 6e 63 65 2d 64 61 74 61 2d 73 65 74 3e = 00 ---- = </instance-data-set>

I=E2=80=99d say to =E2=80=9Cplease test on = MacOS=E2=80=9D, but it seems that Martin=E2=80=99s commit from today no = longer contains that `grep` call: https://github.com/mbj4668/rfcstrip/blob/mbj/artwork/rfcstrip





$ = ~/Code/GitHub/mbj4668/rfcstrip/rfcstrip -a = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-10.xml 
example1.xml.folded: 82 lines.
example2.xml: 32 lines.
awk: = cmd. line:13: warning: regexp escape sequence `\"' is not a known regexp = operator
example3.json: 26 = lines.


WITH = AWK=3Dgawk:

example1.xml.folded: 82 lines.
example2.xml: 32 lines.
gawk: = cmd. line:13: warning: regexp escape sequence `\"' is not a known regexp = operator
example3.json: 26 = lines.


Kent // = contributor



= --Apple-Mail=_F052FAA7-A05B-4743-83B8-B8494E0ABED6-- From nobody Mon Mar 30 16:17:34 2020 Return-Path: <010001712dbc595e-55318915-ddba-441e-aad2-a40e36fe31e8-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 485753A1569 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 16:17:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.003 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.003 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ayuazTOcmAYP for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 16:17:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a48-90.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a48-90.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.48.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2041F3A14B8 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 16:17:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1585610250; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:Feedback-ID; bh=eKdljJu+AFq7n4PrZG/TNuQ2p0dwW78LexDvsQva+YA=; b=jicd3s6ut0L74mYb/qULxGy4Q/B05Aketb0RbffAobdaAuqTv2GLjshqYPDiF3a0 e0i3k/0+lUH1YVxcBrLjKYeurtwJYmZQ2cgNiZ5hB987LvkrCKwDPxlSFHRJiJ066iE 3sONdr5fBCWMmuCG/e4BRng5A/3bNP+Ykx6mcgzQ= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Kent Watsen In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 23:17:30 +0000 Cc: "netmod@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <010001712dbc595e-55318915-ddba-441e-aad2-a40e36fe31e8-000000@email.amazonses.com> References: <010001712d9cef2c-ad1e2b06-7d1c-4362-98e4-a6d1463e1480-000000@email.amazonses.com> To: Carsten Bormann X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.03.30-54.240.48.90 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Agenda for Virtual NETMOD Meeting X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 23:17:33 -0000 Hi Carsten, Heh, we took the times out at the last minute, because we didn=E2=80=99t = have times for some of the key presentation requests and the chairs felt = that we could manage the time on the fly... That said, I think that we have ~10 minutes for a CORECONF = presentation=E2=80=A6would that be enough time? Kent // as co-chair > On Mar 30, 2020, at 6:53 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote: >=20 > On 2020-03-31, at 00:43, Kent Watsen wrote: >>=20 >> ALL: >> - Please find below the agenda for this Thursday=E2=80=99s meeting >=20 > Hi Kent, >=20 > there are no indications of how much time is left on this agenda, so I = don=E2=80=99t know how preposterous this is to ask: Should we briefly = talk about the CoRECONF WGLC that will have ended by the time of the = meeting? >=20 > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >=20 From nobody Mon Mar 30 16:22:05 2020 Return-Path: <010001712dc07c5f-31a83f3f-2376-426b-a6ef-ebee43575ca6-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62A1E3A1581 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 16:22:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yaq0-_Q5MCUh for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 16:22:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a48-94.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a48-94.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.48.94]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15A3A3A1578 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 16:22:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1585610522; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:Feedback-ID; bh=FLTw9ErX1yidhzK/W2Mm9bkmnJ4YVFXAfDT0aA7FMFg=; b=B/UkdFUHcFtHzEUW+6vjiufOsTXn0zRiD4cZYlVYNWn7eEflNPK6mcfWmPmCQSFW Reqa5gPqVLezqTrEarndxpc1gpUUWRqCGDnK2LhdHWhISZcIMn13Tn8sBzlWUEMHtu5 GQY4ONBzpxDeLYRYnmNPhrZL9sDpJGCQKwd0nJQM= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Kent Watsen In-Reply-To: <9488C489-CD77-458C-9CD3-A78B043AF48F@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 23:22:01 +0000 Cc: =?utf-8?Q?Martin_Bj=C3=B6rklund?= , "netmod@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <010001712dc07c5f-31a83f3f-2376-426b-a6ef-ebee43575ca6-000000@email.amazonses.com> References: <75CFDBD9-143C-407A-B7C3-26CEC51E229C@cisco.com> <20200328.094121.1160081114435152145.id@4668.se> <010001712da22206-5abfb31e-aa12-47b6-983a-1cd6edf6d45b-000000@email.amazonses.com> <9488C489-CD77-458C-9CD3-A78B043AF48F@cisco.com> To: "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.03.30-54.240.48.94 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-label statements X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 23:22:05 -0000 =20 > Even though we are debating/discussing whether iETF moduels should use = YANG semver (aka modified semver), please note that there is interest = from other publishers of YANG modules to use semver or YANG semver. 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Certainly =E2=80=94 this will just be a heads-up and maybe a roadmap to = what will come next. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Mon Mar 30 16:47:16 2020 Return-Path: <010001712dd7864e-c179c424-9424-4fc3-acb5-1bc0cc23041f-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6803F3A15C5 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 16:47:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.004 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.004 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5k6tLCBq22eV for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 16:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a48-94.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a48-94.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.48.94]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EAB7A3A15C3 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 16:47:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1585612031; h=From:Message-Id:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References:Feedback-ID; bh=QhfcuvuTwponjaJDkVV2kgO0+9N1bliIPebja5Q24sU=; b=A36i4k8Hn41QEsy6yMgwwbYJQZi8X2s/5k7jZ4Hewnm9tVxXnr5yH6O/v4QIeVA2 fiX3A77i2WJcCPgDbkm+IoyAc9teJRUEnlX9r3nM166zwePrjb4U7mg4mpmV3/MIHGj sQ+Dz+V6N35vkyG6yUZe66vC+igpNIwFfrbRdQW0= From: Kent Watsen Message-ID: <010001712dd7864e-c179c424-9424-4fc3-acb5-1bc0cc23041f-000000@email.amazonses.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_92CFEC22-2EE6-4216-8A86-43EB1F7C6F33" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 23:47:11 +0000 In-Reply-To: <70e30e73-983c-8c60-d7dc-4ae863363fe2@unix-ag.uni-kl.de> Cc: =?utf-8?Q?Bal=C3=A1zs_Lengyel?= , "netmod@ietf.org" To: Erik Auerswald References: <010001711d349b01-d87da5d4-0638-4d76-aaf2-a6b94d777685-000000@email.amazonses.com> <70e30e73-983c-8c60-d7dc-4ae863363fe2@unix-ag.uni-kl.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.03.30-54.240.48.94 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] rfcstrip does not work on https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-12 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 23:47:14 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_92CFEC22-2EE6-4216-8A86-43EB1F7C6F33 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Erik, I can=E2=80=99t find a definition. I thought someone said that `xml2rfc` was going to support a = =E2=80=9Cmarkers=E2=80=9D attribute for the element, but I = don=E2=80=99t see that here yet: = https://github.com/rfc-format/draft-iab-xml2rfc-v3-bis/blob/master/draft-i= ab-rfc7991bis.xml#L8514 = . Kent > On Mar 30, 2020, at 6:22 AM, Erik Auerswald = wrote: >=20 > Hi Kent, Bal=C3=A1zs, >=20 > On 27.03.20 19:15, Kent Watsen wrote: >>> On Mar 27, 2020, at 1:36 PM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = wrote: >>>=20 >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-12 = = contains a section with . >> Looking at -12, I see "=E2=80=9D (not ), is this = just a typo in your message? >>> However rfcstrip cannot extract this part. Is that a problem? >> It seems that the line is messed up: >> OLD: >> >> NEW: >> file "rfcfold" >> Fixes it. >=20 > Do you know of a written explanation on how to use the = ... > markers? I tried to find one without success. I found = only > usage hints, and the licensing connection. >=20 > RFC 8407 says: >=20 > The "" tag SHOULD be followed by a string identifying > the file name specified in Section 5.2 of [RFC7950]." >=20 > The predecessor RFC 6087 contains similar text. Thus it seems the > netmod WG convention is to specify a file name. The rfcstrip utility > mentioned in RFC 8407 requires the file name, although the file name > seems to be optional. >=20 > But some RFCs do not specify a file name for code sections. Some > random examples are RFC 5662, RFC 6287, RFC 7861, and RFC 8290. Those > are from WGs other than netmod, though. >=20 > Just curious. :-) >=20 > Thanks, > Erik >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod --Apple-Mail=_92CFEC22-2EE6-4216-8A86-43EB1F7C6F33 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Erik,

I can=E2=80=99t= find a definition.

I thought someone said that = `xml2rfc` was going to support a =E2=80=9Cmarkers=E2=80=9D attribute for = the <sourcecode> element, but I don=E2=80=99t see that here = yet: https://github.com/rfc-format/draft-iab-xml2rfc-v3-bis/blob/mas= ter/draft-iab-rfc7991bis.xml#L8514.

Kent



On Mar 30, 2020, at 6:22 AM, Erik Auerswald <auerswal@unix-ag.uni-kl.de> wrote:

Hi = Kent, Bal=C3=A1zs,

On 27.03.20 19:15, Kent = Watsen wrote:
On Mar 27, 2020, at 1:36 = PM, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel=3D40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> = wrote:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-1= 2 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-1= 2> contains a section with <CODE BEGINS> <CODE = ENS>.
Looking at -12, I see "<CODE = ENDS>=E2=80=9D (not <CODE ENS>), is this just a typo in your = message?
However = rfcstrip cannot extract this part. Is that a problem?
It seems that the <CODE BEGINS> line is = messed up:
OLD:
   <CODE = BEGINS>
NEW:
   <CODE = BEGINS> file "rfcfold"
Fixes it.

Do you know of a written = explanation on how to use the <CODE BEGINS> ...
<CODE ENDS> markers?  I tried to find one without = success.  I found only
usage hints, and the licensing = connection.

RFC 8407 says:

   The "<CODE BEGINS>" tag SHOULD be = followed by a string identifying
   the = file name specified in Section 5.2 of [RFC7950]."

The predecessor RFC 6087 contains similar text.  Thus it = seems the
netmod WG convention is to specify a file name. =  The rfcstrip utility
mentioned in RFC 8407 requires = the file name, although the file name
seems to be = optional.

But some RFCs do not specify a = file name for code sections.  Some
random examples = are RFC 5662, RFC 6287, RFC 7861, and RFC 8290. Those
are = from WGs other than netmod, though.

Just = curious. :-)

Thanks,
Erik

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= --Apple-Mail=_92CFEC22-2EE6-4216-8A86-43EB1F7C6F33-- From nobody Mon Mar 30 18:50:26 2020 Return-Path: <010001712e483a1b-204d92e3-7046-46fb-b6b8-13d8ad4cb9ff-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 979243A1795 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 18:50:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.003 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.003 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rs-qX-yHVCvm for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 18:50:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a48-94.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a48-94.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.48.94]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21FEA3A1796 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 18:50:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1585619417; h=From:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:To:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:Feedback-ID; bh=hfu33zyP9deJwYp/ynb372ZfzwIdex3gRIJsnurM7qY=; b=ZEFR1HDers2TDi57zlPHsTgjs7tEpv/if3u3asYfJXpasdWMK918D2wxR8+ZvOgx 1MIN0zlfU6ibXMrufvmY3bcPt0T7k04p94QoH4IXZFMdfMVOeVkdHkJmBwCSsUMMOP1 ZgBhAT0gM0jSCiaMuXEAaEKW9YTeqr1XjYmwC12Q= From: Kent Watsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 01:50:17 +0000 References: <010001712ce4c5fe-04a059c3-ced3-4e6d-8389-5dd7c1257ac2-000000@email.amazonses.com> To: "netmod@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: <010001712ce4c5fe-04a059c3-ced3-4e6d-8389-5dd7c1257ac2-000000@email.amazonses.com> Message-ID: <010001712e483a1b-204d92e3-7046-46fb-b6b8-13d8ad4cb9ff-000000@email.amazonses.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.03.31-54.240.48.94 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Shepherd review on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-10 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 01:50:25 -0000 [UPDATE: I just realized that I prematurely stopped the review after the = YANG module. Picking up where I left off=E2=80=A6] Structural Issues: - S5 contains an mix of important and unimportant information. I = think that the most important thing to state that the module defines an = offline format that MAY contain security sensitive information, and thus = safe handling is advised. Maybe also say something about because the = YANG module only defines a =E2=80=9Cstructure=E2=80=9D, the Security = Considerations doesn=E2=80=99t follow the template specified in = https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8407#section-3.7.1). For instance: s/is = designed as a wrapper specifying a format and a metadata header for YANG = instance data defined by the content-schema/specifies an offline format/ - S6.1. the full registration is not inside the
. (How could = happen?) - S8.1: I-D.ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext should be listed last, as the = number it will be the greater than any other... - S8.1: RFC8340 is Informative - S8.1: agreed that RFC8525 is Normative, but the only place it it = referenced is in a non-normative section=E2=80=A6please add a ref to it = from a normative section. - S8.2: same comment as before re: floating the I-D refs to the end=E2=80= =A6 - Appendix C: remove the unnecessary =E2=80=9CC.1=E2=80=9D section. Editorial Issues: - Appendix B: - s/For instance data/Instance data/ - =E2=80=9C...to avoid are listed.=E2=80=9D - listed where? = Section reference? - In P2, how is the 2nd sentence connected to the 1st? - s/may lead to problems/may lead to the following problems:/? - Appendix C: - Don=E2=80=99t put =E2=80=9CNon-Normative=E2=80=9D into the = Section title (move to 1st sentence of section)=20 - s/We present/This section presents/ - s/use cases were YANG/use cases where YANG/ - Actually, this whole sentence is meaningless I gave up reviewing Section C at C.1.1, since it=E2=80=99s = non-normative. Honestly, I'd remove the entire section but, if you want = to keep it, I suggest reviewing it for issues=E2=80=A6 Kent // shepherd > On Mar 30, 2020, at 3:22 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: >=20 >=20 > As part of the Shepherd writeup, I read the entire draft and found the = following issues, which I=E2=80=99d like to see resolved before = progressing the document. Most of these issues should have been caught = be the WG and/or Editors... >=20 >=20 > Logical Issues: >=20 > - S3, P8 defines MUSTs inside a SHOULD, a logical contradiction. > - In S3, P8 (the P beginning w/ "The name of=E2=80=9D), text fails to = indicate what SHOULD be done if both =E2=80=9Crevision=E2=80=9D and = =E2=80=9Ctimestamp=E2=80=9D are present? > - the syntax grammar used in S3, P8 doesn=E2=80=99t make sense - use = ABNF? > - In S3, P8: =E2=80=9Cthe semicolons and the decimal point, if = present, shall be replaced by underscores=E2=80=9D - why are they not = escaped? > - Example 1 seems semantically invalid? e.g., = "ietf-netconf-monitoring=E2=80=9D is in "content-data" though not in = "modules-state=E2=80=9D. Also, "module-set-id=E2=80=9D is missing=20 > - It is unclear how the "inline-content-schema=E2=80=9D feature could = ever be used. I.e., there are no protocol-accessible nodes in the = module=E2=80=A6 > - "leaf-list inline-module" is "min-elements 1=E2=80=9D and = "ordered-by user=E2=80=9D, but "leaf-list module=E2=80=9D has neither = (though it may be that ordering is irrelevant for simple-inline). > - "leaf-list inline-module=E2=80=9D has "ordered-by user=E2=80=9D, = what does that mean in the context of, e.g., UC1? > - P4 in the =E2=80=9Cdescription=E2=80=9D statement on line 134 in = the YANG module makes no sense (grammatically incorrect). Try breaking = into multiple sentences. > - The last two sentences of the =E2=80=9Cdescription=E2=80=9D = statement on line 207 in the YANG module contradict each other. >=20 >=20 > Structural issues: >=20 > - Why isn=E2=80=99t the =E2=80=9CIntroduction=E2=80=9D Section = =E2=80=981=E2=80=99 as is common in RFCs? > - the list in S3, P4 is missing symbols. > - the two lists in S3, P8 should be indented, or remove the leading = symbol > - The list under "Metadata MUST include:=E2=80=9D is missing symbols. > - The list under "Metadata SHOULD include:=E2=80=9D is not indented. > - 3.2, Example 1: move the comment under "content-data=E2=80=9D under = "modules-state=E2=80=9D. Replace said comment with a new comment that = says something like =E2=80=9CThis content-data only contains the data = identified by the =E2=80=98content-schema=E2=80=99 node, despite the = =E2=80=98module-state=E2=80=99 node indicating that the server = implements other modules > - The three examples should be
of their own (e.g., 3.2.x) > - The =E2=80=9Cinline=E2=80=9D choice node is generally confusing. I = can=E2=80=99t tell if it=E2=80=99s missing container called =E2=80=9Cinlin= e=E2=80=9D or if the two descendant nodes are poorly named. In either = case, it would be best to try to make it more readable. >=20 >=20 > Editorial issues: >=20 > - s/The term Server is/The term =E2=80=9Cserver" is/ > - s/not available/unavailable/ > - s/Data is often needed already at/Data is often needed at/ > - s/needed by groups that do not have a live running server = available/needed when a live running server is unavailable/. > - s/ietf-yang- instance-data/"ietf-yang-instance-data=E2=80=9D/ > - remove the word =E2=80=9Cwe=E2=80=9D throughout: s/we/this = document/? > - remove P3=E2=80=99s forward-reference to S3, P9? > - s/is actually implemented/is implemented/ > - s/e.g., UC5 documenting diagnostic data/(e.g., UC5 [Section 2])/ > - s/and state data set/and state data/ > - s/Config=3Dtrue/configuration (=E2=80=9Cconfig true=E2=80=9D)/ > - s/Config=3Dfalse/operational state data (=E2=80=9Cconfig false"/ > - OLD: mandatory, min-elements, require-instance=3Dtrue, must and = when > NEW: =E2=80=9Cmandatory", "min-elements", "require-instance true", = =E2=80=9C ust=E2=80=9D, and =E2=80=9Cwhen=E2=80=9D > - OLD: If revision information inside the data set is present > NEW: If =E2=80=9Crevision" information is present inside the data = set: > - OLD: If the leaf "name" is present in the instance data header, = this MUST be used. > NEW: If the leaf "name" is present in the instance data header, its = value should be used for the "instance-data-set-name=E2=80=9D. > - s/items MAY also be used/items MAY be used/ > - s/Metadata MUST include:/\nMetadata MUST include:/ > - s/Content schema specification/Content schema specification (i.e., = the "content-schema=E2=80=9D node)/ > - s/Do not include the content-schema,/Do not include the = "content-schema=E2=80=9D node=E2=80=9D;/ > - s/for "UC2 Preloading Data=E2=80=9D/for UC2 [Section 2],/ > - S3.1.1 P2 doesn=E2=80=99t makes sense to me (esp. the verdt ref, = which likely should be removed or better explained) > - s/The same-schema-as-file leaf/The "same-schema-as-file" leaf/ > - s/In Use Case 6/in UC6 [Section 2]/ > - S3.2 P1: s/examples use/example uses/ and s/for better = formatting//. =20 > - s/is based on "UC1, Documenting Server Capabilities=E2=80=9D/exemplif= ies UC1 [Section 2]/ > - s/(a shortened)/a/g > - For Ex1: s/uses the inline method/uses the =E2=80=9Cinline" method/ > - s/- Use case 1, Documenting server capabilities/Exemplifying UC1/ > - s/is based on "UC2, Preloading Default Configuration=E2=80=9D/exempli= fies UC2 [Section 2]/ > - For Ex2: s/uses the inline method/uses the "simplified-inline" = method/ > - s/- Use case 2, Preloading access control data/Exemplifying UC2/ > - s/is based on UC5 Storing diagnostics data/exemplifies UC5 [Section = 2]/ > - s/statistics about NETCONF/statistics about the NETCONF server/ > - s/- UC5 Storing diagnostics data/Exemplifying UC5/ >=20 >=20 > Editorial issues inside the YANG module: > - "description" statement on line 74: rephrase to make more sense. > - :description" statement on line 92: so confusing. Just write = =E2=80=9CThe =E2=80=98revision' of the 'ietf-yang-instance-data=E2=80=99 = module used to encode this 'instance-data-set=E2=80=99.=E2=80=9D > - =E2=80=9Cdescription" statement on line 100: s/content = schema/schema (i.e., YANG modules)/? > - =E2=80=9Ctype string=E2=80=9D statement on lines 109 and 131 are = missing a =E2=80=9Cpattern" statement. > - =E2=80=9Cdescription" statement on line 110: should this be mostly = the same as the description statement of line 134, sans the bit = regarding features, deviations, etc.? > - line 152: s/ietf-yang-library@2019-01-04/revision "2019-01-04=E2=80=9D= of the "ietf-yang-library=E2=80=9D module/? > - P2 in the =E2=80=9Cdescription" statements on lines 220 and 249: = s/For instance data sets/Instance data sets/ > - =E2=80=9Cdescription" statement on line 256: s/Modules/modules/ and = s/content-schema-spec/=E2=80=98content-schema=E2=80=99/ >=20 >=20 > YANG module formatting issues: >=20 > - On line 19: s/ reference/reference/ > - On line 21: s/}/ }/ > - On line 235: s/pattern/ pattern/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > Kent // shepherd >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod From nobody Mon Mar 30 19:41:34 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DAAC3A18E6 for ; 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Tue, 31 Mar 2020 09:22:15 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3608.60.0.2.5\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <010001712dd7864e-c179c424-9424-4fc3-acb5-1bc0cc23041f-000000@email.amazonses.com> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 09:22:15 +0200 Cc: Erik Auerswald , =?utf-8?Q?Bal=C3=A1zs_Lengyel?= , "netmod@ietf.org" X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 607332135.308778-23f3ace5c3a81a81dbb6285c3250733e Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5F251832-0C47-4254-8A6E-8DEEA6CC7FBC@tzi.org> References: <010001711d349b01-d87da5d4-0638-4d76-aaf2-a6b94d777685-000000@email.amazonses.com> <70e30e73-983c-8c60-d7dc-4ae863363fe2@unix-ag.uni-kl.de> <010001712dd7864e-c179c424-9424-4fc3-acb5-1bc0cc23041f-000000@email.amazonses.com> To: Kent Watsen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.60.0.2.5) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] rfcstrip does not work on https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-12 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 07:22:21 -0000 On 2020-03-31, at 01:47, Kent Watsen wrote: >=20 > I thought someone said that `xml2rfc` was going to support a = =E2=80=9Cmarkers=E2=80=9D attribute for the element, but I = don=E2=80=99t see that here yet: = https://github.com/rfc-format/draft-iab-xml2rfc-v3-bis/blob/master/draft-i= ab-rfc7991bis.xml#L8514. = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-levkowetz-xml2rfc-v3-implementation-note= s-10#section-3.1.22 Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Tue Mar 31 00:36:21 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01B953A1D25 for ; 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Tue, 31 Mar 2020 09:36:15 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3608.60.0.2.5\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <5F251832-0C47-4254-8A6E-8DEEA6CC7FBC@tzi.org> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 09:36:15 +0200 Cc: Erik Auerswald , =?utf-8?Q?Bal=C3=A1zs_Lengyel?= , "netmod@ietf.org" X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 607332975.440993-75888181e90490eb7bafb432f8c30427 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <010001711d349b01-d87da5d4-0638-4d76-aaf2-a6b94d777685-000000@email.amazonses.com> <70e30e73-983c-8c60-d7dc-4ae863363fe2@unix-ag.uni-kl.de> <010001712dd7864e-c179c424-9424-4fc3-acb5-1bc0cc23041f-000000@email.amazonses.com> <5F251832-0C47-4254-8A6E-8DEEA6CC7FBC@tzi.org> To: Kent Watsen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.60.0.2.5) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] rfcstrip does not work on https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-12 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 07:36:20 -0000 Oh, and you can find examples for markers=3D=E2=80=9Ctrue=E2=80=9D in = the published RFCs rfc8650.xml rfc8652.xml rfc8675.xml rfc8676.xml rfc8681.xml rfc8682.xml rfc8695.xml rfc8696.xml rfc8748.xml So this is no longer just a proposal, as the below draft seems to = suggest. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > On 2020-03-31, at 09:22, Carsten Bormann wrote: >=20 > On 2020-03-31, at 01:47, Kent Watsen wrote: >>=20 >> I thought someone said that `xml2rfc` was going to support a = =E2=80=9Cmarkers=E2=80=9D attribute for the element, but I = don=E2=80=99t see that here yet: = https://github.com/rfc-format/draft-iab-xml2rfc-v3-bis/blob/master/draft-i= ab-rfc7991bis.xml#L8514. >=20 > = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-levkowetz-xml2rfc-v3-implementation-note= s-10#section-3.1.22 >=20 > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >=20 From nobody Tue Mar 31 00:40:32 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5BF73A1D32 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 00:40:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FidMxpGLp7uK for ; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 00:40:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com (mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com [67.231.149.140]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 330483A1D30 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 00:40:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0048589.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0048589.ppops.net-00191d01. 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Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Where can I use ? - rfcstrip X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 09:18:40 -0000 Hi, On 30.03.20 18:10, Balázs Lengyel wrote: > From: Kent Watsen > > [...] > > All The extracted files (including the two that are NOT folded) > > contain a ‘^@‘ character at the EOF. This must be something > > introduced by `rfcstrip` because `rfcfold` does a simple file-level > > copy when unfolding isn't needed. > [...] > I do not see the additional ^@ at EOF. I tested it on cygwin, which is mostly GNU compatible. > > This is how my file ends > > 3c 2f 69 6e 73 74 61 6e 63 65 2d 64 61 74 61 2d 73 65 74 3e 00 ---- This shows a NUL byte at the end. In "cat -A" output a NUL byte is shown as "^@": $ printf -- '%s' 3c 2f 69 6e 73 74 61 6e 63 65 2d 64 61 74 61 2d \ 73 65 74 3e 00 | xxd -r -p | cat -A ^@ Your use of "grep -z" shows that NUL bytes are used as line endings instead of NL bytes ("Line Feed" character, '\n'). I did not look into this further since Martin seems to be working on an alternate implementation. 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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As I understand that works if you use Xml2Rfc v3 only.=20 Balazs -----Original Message----- From: Carsten Bormann =20 Sent: 2020. m=C3=A1rcius 31., kedd 9:36 To: Kent Watsen Cc: Erik Auerswald ; Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = ; netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] rfcstrip does not work on = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-12 Oh, and you can find examples for markers=3D=E2=80=9Ctrue=E2=80=9D in = the published RFCs rfc8650.xml rfc8652.xml rfc8675.xml rfc8676.xml rfc8681.xml rfc8682.xml rfc8695.xml rfc8696.xml rfc8748.xml So this is no longer just a proposal, as the below draft seems to = suggest. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > On 2020-03-31, at 09:22, Carsten Bormann wrote: >=20 > On 2020-03-31, at 01:47, Kent Watsen wrote: >>=20 >> I thought someone said that `xml2rfc` was going to support a = =E2=80=9Cmarkers=E2=80=9D attribute for the element, but I = don=E2=80=99t see that here yet: = https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=3D2558e5eb-798ceda8-2558a570-86a115= 0bc3ba-91f9e8a7be6cf53c&q=3D1&e=3D7c165797-25c3-4d3e-8bbc-f14b6f8c7cf7&u=3D= https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Frfc-format%2Fdraft-iab-xml2rfc-v3-bis%2Fblob%2= Fmaster%2Fdraft-iab-rfc7991bis.xml%23L8514. >=20 > = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-levkowetz-xml2rfc-v3-implementation-not= es-10#section-3.1.22 >=20 > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0269_01D6074F.E93E18A0 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIVbjCCAyAw 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X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Id: f78e973e-5c0b-4ab8-bbd7-9887c95a8ebd X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-MailboxType: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-UserPrincipalName: 3zp9dTYhhE3ESM+xBOVKYtV1aJGdDhiweU+CPFE47ftfkXK5YyA/IzAxctAvv9IZDqr4aoQ99rUKikyXaXDkA9F70mwnPwWUCcki2/3yMTA= X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DB6P190MB0375 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] js review of draft-ietf-core-yang-cbor-12 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 11:02:43 -0000 Hi, here is my review of draft-ietf-core-yang-cbor-12. I have not checked the examples in detail, I assume (hope?) the authors have used tools to generate them or to validate them. - Nit: There is no need to capitalize Action in the abstract (and elsewhere). - You should perhaps write 'yang-data extension' instead of 'yang data template' since this is more concrete and less confusing. The use of 'template' is a bit unfortunate in RFC 8040 since templates have been used with different meanings elsewhere and I believe people more commonly refer to the yang-data extension. I also checked draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext-05.txt and it does not use the word "template" anymore. I see that you use 'YANG data template' later on in several places. This is not strictly incorrect but I find it unfortunate. I would prefer to talk specifically about the yang-data extensions. You actually import both terms, I believe only one is needed (and I prefer yang-data (extension) over YANG data template. - If this work gets approved, will other specifications like draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext-05.txt be expected to cover CBOR encoding in addition to XML and JSON? This is more a procedural question. - Wording: A new set of encoding rules has been defined to allow the use of the same data models in environments based on the JavaScript Object Notation (JSON) Data Interchange Format [RFC8259]. This is accomplished in the JSON Encoding of Data Modeled with YANG specification [RFC7951]. What is "environments based on the JavaScript Object Notation (JSON) Data Interchange Format". Perhaps do not even try to speculate about reasons. What about this? An additional set of encoding rules has been defined based on the JavaScript Object Notation (JSON) Data Interchange Format [RFC8259]. - Is there a reason why SID terminology is not imported from the SID specification? Is the reason to avoid a dependency? But then, can this dependency really be avoided? I reviewed the SID document first because I thought knowing what SIDs are is essential to understand this document... - I am not sure I would call a notification or a container a collection. Note that RFC 7950 uses the phrase child node quite a bit in definitions, so this may do the same without using the (overloaded) word collection: o child: A schema node defined as a child node of a container, a list, a case, a notification, an RPC input, an RPC output, an action input, an action output. I searched the text and 'child' only shows up once and I am not sure this deserves to define a term at all. - Is 'parent' the same as an 'interior node' defined in RFC 7950? If so, why not use 'interior node'? Looking at the uses or parent, I am not even convinced this term needs to be defined at all, the context seems to be rather clear of what is meant. RFC 7950 does not define 'parent' as term either but the meaning is clear in the contexts where the word is being used. - To summarize the last few comments, I propose to import 'item' and 'SID' from the SID document, to not define 'child' and 'parent' (following RFC 7950), and so the only term to defined here is 'delta'. But see above concerning the relationship to the SID document; it is not clear to me what the goals and intentions are in terms of intended document dependencies. - schema trees vs data trees This document defines CBOR encoding rules for YANG schema trees and their subtrees. You are not encoding schema trees, you are encoding data trees. See also the JSON document, which says: This document defines JSON encoding for YANG data trees and their subtrees. Why did you change this from data trees to schema trees? - avoid 'collection'? s/A collection such as/A data node such as/ - If I were to use CBOR with RESTCONF, can I request (e.g. via a specific media-type) how I like the keys to be encoded? Or would such a mechanism have to be specified elsewhere, i.e., we would need another using CBOR with RESTCONF document that defines suitable media types? - I do not understand this statement: Application payloads carrying a value serialized using the rules defined by this specification (e.g. CoAP Content-Format) SHOULD include the identifier (e.g. SID, namespace qualified name, instance-identifier) of this value. What is "the identifier of this value"? I am not getting what is being conveyed here. - s/section Section 4/Section 4/ - SIDs other than [I-D.ietf-core-sid]? [...] If SIDs are to be used, the present specification is used in conjunction with a specification defining this management. One example for such a specification is [I-D.ietf-core-sid]. This seems to indicate that there can be other kinds of SIDs or SIDs managed differently. Why is this? The SID I-D claims the entire number space, so how would a different 'specification defining the management of SIDs' ever work? Why not be specific that the usage of SIDs depends on [I-D.ietf-core-sid]? See my earlier comments about the unclear dependency relationship between this specification and the SID specification. - Avoid 'collections'? 4.2. The 'container' and other collections Collections such as containers, list instances, notification Rewrite to: 4.2. The 'container' and other interior data nodes Interior data nodes such as containers, list instances, notification There are more uses of collections following that likely can be replaced with 'interior data nodes'. The phrase 'interior data node' is used in RFC 7950 (although not formally defined). - Should 77 : { / event (SID 60200) / be 77 : { / example-port-fault (SID 60200) / Similarly 47(60200) : { / event (SID 60123) / be 47(60200) : { / example-port-fault (SID 60200) / - Replace 5. Encoding of YANG data templates YANG data templates are data structures defined in YANG but not intended to be implemented as part of a datastore. YANG data templates are defined using the 'yang-data' extension as described by [RFC8040]. YANG data templates MUST be encoded using the encoding rules of a collection as defined in Section 4.2. with 5. Encoding of the 'yang-data' extension The yang-data extension [RFC8040] is used to define data structures in YANG that are not intended to be implemented as part of a datastore. The yang-data extension MUST be encoded using the encoding rules of interior nodes as defined in Section 4.2. to avoid the use of 'templates' and 'collections'. In the following text, there are a few more places where 'YANG template' should be replaced by the 'yang-data extension'. - Unexpected ietf-comi module name showing up in an example "ietf-comi:error" : { The module prefix pops up out of the blue. You may want the put the yang-data definition into an example module, give it an example name, and then replace ietf-comi with that example name. Perhaps even simplify the yang-data schema to just 1-2 leafs. - typo s/section defined the CBOR encoding/section defines the CBOR encoding/ - Improve wording To avoid overlap of 'value' defined in different 'enumeration' statements, 'enumeration' defined in a Leafs of type 'union' MUST be encoded using a CBOR text string data item (major type 3) and MUST contain one of the names assigned by 'enum' statements in YANG. This does not read well. Perhaps: Values of 'enumeration' types defined in a 'union' type MUST be encoded using a CBOR text string data item (major type 3) and MUST contain one of the names assigned by 'enum' statements in YANG. There is similar text on page 31 in the context of bits encoding that will also benefit from a rewrite. - Third example Bob vs Jack Should the third example use "/ietf-system:system/authentication/user[name='jack']" instead of "/ietf-system:system/authentication/user[name='bob']" to line up with the third example using SIDs? /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Tue Mar 31 04:41:18 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 608103A18E7 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 04:41:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, 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<010001711d349b01-d87da5d4-0638-4d76-aaf2-a6b94d777685-000000@email.amazonses.com> <70e30e73-983c-8c60-d7dc-4ae863363fe2@unix-ag.uni-kl.de> <010001712dd7864e-c179c424-9424-4fc3-acb5-1bc0cc23041f-000000@email.amazonses.com> <5F251832-0C47-4254-8A6E-8DEEA6CC7FBC@tzi.org> From: Erik Auerswald Message-ID: <3e2333ce-d20a-60f7-3578-5199720a03d6@unix-ag.uni-kl.de> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 14:01:26 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] rfcstrip does not work on https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-12 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 12:01:47 -0000 Hi all, On 31.03.20 09:36, Carsten Bormann wrote: > On 2020-03-31, at 09:22, Carsten Bormann wrote: > >> On 2020-03-31, at 01:47, Kent Watsen wrote: >>> >>> I thought someone said that `xml2rfc` was going to support a “markers” attribute for the element, but I don’t see that here yet: https://github.com/rfc-format/draft-iab-xml2rfc-v3-bis/blob/master/draft-iab-rfc7991bis.xml#L8514. >> >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-levkowetz-xml2rfc-v3-implementation-notes-10#section-3.1.22 >> Thanks for the additional info. The proposal states: Proposal: Add an attribute 'markers' for , to control the emission of and . If markers="true" and the "name" attribute is set, the filename will also be emitted, as specified in [RFC8407] for YANG modules. Thus the `file' part of the markers seems to be optional there, too, unless the code in question is a YANG module. In RFC8407 it is recommended (SHOULD) to add a file name specification to the marker, so it is still kind of optional. I try to understand if the omission of a file name for the code in draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-12 was "wrong" or just "not great", and what the current practice is. It did result in Martin's `rfcstrip' not extracting it from the text version. Martin's `rfcstrip' could not extract `rfcfold' from the XML version either, because the XML uses `artwork' instead of `sourcecode'. Adjusting the code to expect the `artwork' tag confirms this. I used sed -i 's,//sourcecode\[,//artwork[,' rfcstrip to try this out. (Note that I do not suggest to apply this change to Martin's `rfcstrip', but rather want to show what I did.) > Oh, and you can find examples for markers=“true” in the published RFCs > > rfc8650.xml RFC 8650 "Dynamic Subscription to YANG Events and Datastores over RESTCONF" contains a YANG module inside a section with file name specification on the following line in the text rendering. Since the code of Martin's `rfcstrip' that recognizes a section requires the keyword `file' on the same line as `', I take a closer look at how it handles this RFC. Martin's rfcstrip does not recognize this section in the text rendering, because the keyword `file' is not on the same line as `'. It still extracts the YANG module via the "type 3" code path for YANG modules without markers from the text rendering. Martin's `rfcstrip' extracts the YANG module with the specified name from the XML version of the RFC. It extracts two of the many JSON examples from the XML version as well. The examples do not use markers in the text rendering. One of the HTML renderings displays the file name on the same line as the marker (https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8650.html#name-yang-module), the other shows it on the following line (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8650), as does the text rendering (https://tools.ietf.org/rfc/rfc8650.txt). The PDF rendering shows the file name specification on the same line as (https://tools.ietf.org/pdf/rfc8650.pdf). As far as I understand it, the XML version of the RFC is authoritative and tools are supposed to work on the XML, not renderings created from XML. [I am not sure about the exact RFC number where this change from text to XML takes effect.] > rfc8652.xml > rfc8675.xml > rfc8676.xml The above RFCs contain YANG modules. They specify file names for the respective sections. > rfc8681.xml RFC 8681 "Sliding Window Random Linear Code (RLC) Forward Erasure Correction (FEC) Schemes for FECFRAME" does not contain a YANG module. It contains C code. It does not specify a file name for any of the two code sections. > rfc8682.xml RFC 8682 "TinyMT32 Pseudorandom Number Generator (PRNG)" contains C code inside a section without specifying a file name. The preceding text does suggest a file name. > rfc8695.xml RFC 8695 is another YANG module RFC giving a file name for the section. > rfc8696.xml RFC 8696 "Using Pre-Shared Key (PSK) in the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS)" contains an ASN.1 module inside a section without file name. > rfc8748.xml RFC 8748 "Registry Fee Extension for the Extensible Provisioning Protocol (EPP)" contains an XML schema inside markers without giving a file name. It seems to me that ... sections without file name specification are common for both older RFCs in text format and newer RFCs in XML format. Even for YANG modules it seems to be recommended, but not required, to specify a file name. Thus I would not have called the line of draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-12 "messed up," but do think that adding a file name improves it. :-) The empty line after in I-D.ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-12 looks like a potential problem, because the first line of a shell script on Unix-like systems needs to specify the interpreter, but Martin's `rfcstrip' correctly handles this by skipping leading and trailing empty lines inside the ... section. I think I do have a better understanding of the use of markers and the possible issues. :-) Thanks, Erik From nobody Tue Mar 31 05:09:23 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 019EF3A193C for ; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 05:09:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.697 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.697 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com header.b=OLzcoIxD; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.onmicrosoft.com header.b=09XmLzyX Received: from mail.ietf.org 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I have reread draft-ietf-core-yang-sid.
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One small point:In section 6.2.2 the size seems superfluous as all ranges have the same = size.

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i9jYFPK8/50S/O+WY0V2uvcqNMSSxZx8qX0VF/tZMu54sDMV9rQTC4nacLXaxbqoCVD Nymdi0F7xPkzf6/jZfHEXemznhJjWvbiZPXN9WNY= From: Kent Watsen Message-ID: <01000171313d4b26-a5e29676-2bd1-4bd0-9598-d3eee7fbf32d-000000@email.amazonses.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B93911EF-6B2B-4C82-B1B8-E7A641BB74D9" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 15:37:12 +0000 In-Reply-To: Cc: Andy Bierman , =?utf-8?Q?Martin_Bj=C3=B6rklund?= , "netmod@ietf.org" To: "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" References: <75CFDBD9-143C-407A-B7C3-26CEC51E229C@cisco.com> <20200328.094121.1160081114435152145.id@4668.se> <76623C79-BB91-4B5F-8FEA-406ADEAD1647@cisco.com> <20200330.202016.930329343788112268.id@4668.se> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.03.31-54.240.48.93 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-label statements X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 15:37:17 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_B93911EF-6B2B-4C82-B1B8-E7A641BB74D9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 [replying to Reshad as well] Hi Rob, > My impression is that Semver 2.0.0 works fine if you can always force = clients to move to the latest version of the API whenever any bugfixes = are made to the API (whether they are BC or NBC). This is a natural fit = for open source projects, but not so great for long life paid support = contracts. Agreed. > The goal of YANG semver is not to facilitate release branching. It is = to allow vendors to fix YANG modules without forcing clients to update = to the latest version of that YANG module (which may contain other = unrelated NBC changes and have lots of dependencies on other modules). This is what Reshad was pointing to as well. I=E2=80=99m very familiar = with the issue, from my Juniper days, where there were all sorts of = patch and (gasp) customer special releases, either of which could = introduce any number of NBCs. =20 The background, of course, is that [very important] customers have = working/validated infrastructure running a specific release and simply = cannot tolerate any change beyond the very specific one they need *NOW* I get it, truly, but I feel that the =E2=80=98m=E2=80=99 / =E2=80=98M=E2=80= =99 suffixes are both inconsistent with general understanding and = insufficiently to express what is needed. =20 A possible fix might be to allow for = ..[-], thereby enabling vendors to = encode any format off a base release=E2=80=A6and rely on inspection of = the =E2=80=9Crevision=E2=80=9D history indicate if/when NBC changes = occurred. =20 But then I question (again) the need for the simplified format at all, = as opposed to just using revision dates. For instance, if = represents a long history of NBCs, that they were based on some source = M.m.p starts to lose relevance. Is the expectation that the vendor's module versions will use = .. values mimicking their release numbers? For = instance, would FooBar OS version 20.1.2 implement YANG module = "foobar@20.1.2=E2=80=9D? I can see product mangers pushing for this, = but then are companies (like Juniper) that use alternate release = name-formatting strategies disadvantaged? How is that fair? To thwart = this, would the WG be willing to assert that the history MUST start at = 0.0.0 and MUST only monotonically increment values? > Note that OpenConfig also hit this problem, but they proposed a = different solution. I.e. ship the base module with another module that = contains deviations to fix any bugs in the base module. Alas this = completely decouples the real module history from any = revision-date/version number contained in the module, since to really = understand the version of the module you also need to know the set of = associated patch modules containing any deviations to the base module. I=E2=80=99d need to see an illustration of this to be sure I understand, = but my first impression is that it is yet another attempt to fit a = square into a circle. =20 In the end, I see no substitute to relying on =E2=80=9Crevision=E2=80=9D = history which 1) perfectly tracks branching history and can flag if/when = NBC changes occurred. =20 Kent // contributor --Apple-Mail=_B93911EF-6B2B-4C82-B1B8-E7A641BB74D9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 [replying to Reshad as well]

Hi Rob,

My impression is that Semver 2.0.0 works fine if you can = always force clients to move to the latest version of the API whenever = any bugfixes are made to the API (whether they are BC or NBC).  = This is a natural fit for open source projects, but not so great for = long life paid support contracts.

Agreed.


The goal of YANG semver is not to facilitate release = branching.  It is to allow vendors to fix YANG modules without = forcing clients to update to the latest version of that YANG module = (which may contain other unrelated NBC changes and have lots of = dependencies on other modules).

This is what Reshad was pointing to as well. =  I=E2=80=99m very familiar with the issue, from my Juniper days, = where there were all sorts of patch and (gasp) customer special = releases, either of which could introduce any number of NBCs. =  

The background, of course, is = that [very important] customers have working/validated infrastructure = running a specific release and simply cannot tolerate any change beyond = the very specific one they need *NOW*

I get it, truly,  but I feel that the =E2=80=98= m=E2=80=99 / =E2=80=98M=E2=80=99 suffixes are both inconsistent with = general understanding and insufficiently to express what is needed. =  

A possible fix might be to = allow for <major>.<minor>.<patch>[-<anystring>], = thereby enabling vendors to encode any format off a base release=E2=80=A6a= nd rely on inspection of the =E2=80=9Crevision=E2=80=9D history indicate = if/when NBC changes occurred.  

But then I question (again) the need for the = simplified format at all, as opposed to just using revision dates. =  For instance, if <anysting> represents a long history of = NBCs, that they were based on some source M.m.p starts to lose = relevance.

Is the expectation that = the vendor's module versions will use = <major>.<minor>.<patch> values mimicking their release = numbers?  For instance, would FooBar OS version 20.1.2 implement = YANG module "foobar@20.1.2=E2=80=9D?    I can see product = mangers pushing for this, but then are companies (like Juniper) that use = alternate release name-formatting strategies disadvantaged?  How is = that fair?   To thwart this, would the WG be willing to assert that = the history MUST start at 0.0.0 and MUST only monotonically increment = values?


Note that OpenConfig also hit this problem, but they proposed = a different solution.  I.e. ship the base module with another = module that contains deviations to fix any bugs in the base = module.  Alas this completely decouples the real module history = from any revision-date/version number contained in the module, since to = really understand the version of the module you also need to know the = set of associated patch modules containing any deviations to the base = module.

I=E2=80=99= d need to see an illustration of this to be sure I understand, but my = first impression is that it is yet another attempt to fit a square into = a circle.  

In the end, I see = no substitute to relying on =E2=80=9Crevision=E2=80=9D history which 1) = perfectly tracks branching history and can flag if/when NBC changes = occurred.  


Kent // contributor



= --Apple-Mail=_B93911EF-6B2B-4C82-B1B8-E7A641BB74D9-- From nobody Tue Mar 31 08:56:26 2020 Return-Path: <01000171314ecdec-e3d5f74f-4e11-459e-9a18-0d4a20b0d54d-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61CB93A2363 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 08:56:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ia5EoiKsT7La for ; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 08:56:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a8-31.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-31.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1FFC23A235C for ; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 08:56:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1585670180; h=From:Message-Id:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References:Feedback-ID; bh=sM7MK9IzfnNxM+QdCWXtAUKlFolkgvAyaDPWru2hljU=; b=XNkoWYwLXdnlj8pyrIdwGsnqrQWXsp9c9106Kr2do/HpBpA89ihC21oRHaGvLOi6 XjS4NbCkwgzJ9u3UQlKaxQn4IkVsiTlcQTM0atBr7WTntegO0ANkidaV5kZJRa9KEJu cgbHcPJG0N3J0/0BOXkjeICkG0Mn76Q44K4kQxhg= From: Kent Watsen Message-ID: <01000171314ecdec-e3d5f74f-4e11-459e-9a18-0d4a20b0d54d-000000@email.amazonses.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B5960534-E890-4103-9BD9-6CD203D51B29" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 15:56:20 +0000 In-Reply-To: <010001712d9cef2c-ad1e2b06-7d1c-4362-98e4-a6d1463e1480-000000@email.amazonses.com> To: "netmod@ietf.org" References: <010001712d9cef2c-ad1e2b06-7d1c-4362-98e4-a6d1463e1480-000000@email.amazonses.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.03.31-54.240.8.31 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Agenda for Virtual NETMOD Meeting X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 15:56:24 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_B5960534-E890-4103-9BD9-6CD203D51B29 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 All, There=E2=80=99s been some confusion regarding *when* the virtual meeting = begins. The reason for the confusion is twofold: 1) WebEx only sent an email when the meeting was initially scheduled, = but not when the meeting time was changed. 2) The chairs used EDT for the source timezone and sent incorrect = UTC/CST offsets in messages. Yes the chairs were using a = timezone-calculator but, in the course of planning (i.e., discussing = various options), somehow introduced an off-by-one error... We believe that the times below are correct, but *PLEASE ONLY RELY* on = the ICS file sent previously, and attached again to this message for = convenience. Thanks, Kent --Apple-Mail=_B5960534-E890-4103-9BD9-6CD203D51B29 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=iCal-20200328-183225.ics Content-Type: text/calendar; x-unix-mode=0644; name="iCal-20200328-183225.ics" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BEGIN:VCALENDAR=0D=0ACALSCALE:GREGORIAN=0D=0AVERSION:2.0=0D=0A= X-WR-CALNAME:NETMOD=20Virtual=20Meeting=0D=0AMETHOD:PUBLISH=0D=0A= PRODID:-//Apple=20Inc.//Mac=20OS=20X=2010.14.6//EN=0D=0ABEGIN:VEVENT=0D=0A= TRANSP:OPAQUE=0D=0ADTEND:20200402T130000Z=0D=0A= UID:ietf-interim-2020-netmod-01-12768-netmod=0D=0A= DTSTAMP:20200326T123533Z=0D=0ADESCRIPTION:NETMOD=20Virtual=20107=20= Meeting\nHosted=20by=20NETMOD=20Working=20Group\n=0D=0A=20\n\nAgenda:=20= https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2020-netmod-01/=0D=0A=20= materials/agenda-interim-2020-netmod-01-netmod-01\n\n\nJoin=20by=20= WebEx\nht=0D=0A=20= tps://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dme2e37606188ba99be744a57adbcd5802\n= =0D=0A=20Meeting=20number:=20616=20779=20982\nPassword:=20= 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ALL: > - Please find below the agenda for this Thursday=E2=80=99s meeting > - Please let the chairs know if any updates to the agenda are needed. >=20 > PRESENTERS: > - Please send slides (in PDF format) to chairs ASAP. > - Note: the chairs intend to drive the slides. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Agenda for the NETMOD WG Session in IETF 107 > -------------------------------------------- >=20 > Session: > Thursday April 2nd >=20 > PDT: 04:00-06:00=20 > EDT: 07:00-09:00 > UTC: 11:00-13:00 > CST: 19:00-21:00 >=20 > WG Chairs: > Lou Berger (lberger at labs dot net) > Kent Watsen (kent plus ietf at watsen dot net) > Joel Jaeggli (joelja at bogus dot com) >=20 >=20 > Available During Session: >=20 > Jabber: xmpp:netmod@jabber.ietf.org?join > Etherpad: https://etherpad.ietf.org/p/notes-ietf-107-netmod > ICal: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2020-netmod-01/sessions/netmo= d.ics > Slides: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2020-netmod-01/session/netmod= >=20 > WebEx Chat: For 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https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2020-netmod-01/session/netmod= >=20 >=20 > Introduction >=20 > TITLE: Session Intro & WG Status > PRESENTER: Chairs >=20 >=20 > Adopted items: >=20 > TITLE: Recently Adopted YANG Module Versioning Drafts > PRESENTER: Authors > DRAFT(s) > = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-module-versioning-00 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-packages-00 > = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-semver-00 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-solutions-00 > = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-ver-selection-00 > = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-versioning-reqs-02 >=20 > Not-Yet-Adopted items: >=20 > TITLE: A YANG Data model for ECA Policy Management > PRESENTER: Authors > DRAFT(s) > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-06 >=20 > TITLE: YANG Data Node Self Explanation 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<3e2333ce-d20a-60f7-3578-5199720a03d6@unix-ag.uni-kl.de> <20200331.170449.1892418214423395231.id@4668.se> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.03.31-54.240.48.93 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] rfcstrip does not work on https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-artwork-folding-12 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 16:05:21 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_2DFF8C91-E131-4642-89A6-CC481315F9F4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Martin, > Version 1.2 of rfcstrip (https://github.com/mbj4668/rfcstrip = ) can > extract from the "artwork" element, and performs artwork unfolding, if > needed. Thanks for this update to rfcstrip! If it=E2=80=99s not too late, may I suggest changing =E2=80=9C-a=E2=80=9D = to =E2=80=9C-x=E2=80=9D? Reasons: 1) =E2=80=98a=E2=80=99 stands for =E2=80=9Cartwork=E2=80=9D but, in = the long run, we=E2=80=99ll only be striping out =E2=80=9Csourcecode=E2=80= =9D elements 2) =E2=80=98x=E2=80=99 could refer to the input format =E2=80=9CXML=E2=80= =9D (as opposed to the default =E2=80=9Ctxt=E2=80=9D format) Better, perhaps `rfcstrip` could automatically do the right thing, = either by keying off the suffix (.xml vs .txt) or by first testing if = the file contains XML? Kent // contributor --Apple-Mail=_2DFF8C91-E131-4642-89A6-CC481315F9F4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi = Martin,

Version 1.2 of rfcstrip (https://github.com/mbj4668/rfcstrip) can
extract from the "artwork" = element, and performs artwork unfolding, if
needed.

Thanks = for this update to rfcstrip!

If it=E2=80=99s not too late, may I = suggest changing =E2=80=9C-a=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9C-x=E2=80=9D?

Reasons:
   1) =E2=80=98a=E2=80=99 stands for =E2=80=9Cartwork= =E2=80=9D but, in the long run, we=E2=80=99ll only be striping out = =E2=80=9Csourcecode=E2=80=9D elements
  =  2) =E2=80=98x=E2=80=99 could refer to the input format =E2=80=9CXML=E2= =80=9D (as opposed to the default =E2=80=9Ctxt=E2=80=9D = format)

Better, = perhaps `rfcstrip` could automatically do the right thing, either by = keying off the suffix (.xml vs .txt) or by first testing if the file = contains XML?

Kent // contributor


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This is a natural fit for > open source projects, but not so great for long life paid support contrac= ts. > > > Agreed. > > > The goal of YANG semver is not to facilitate release branching. It is to > allow vendors to fix YANG modules without forcing clients to update to th= e > latest version of that YANG module (which may contain other unrelated NBC > changes and have lots of dependencies on other modules). > > > This is what Reshad was pointing to as well. I=E2=80=99m very familiar w= ith the > issue, from my Juniper days, where there were all sorts of patch and (gas= p) > customer special releases, either of which could introduce any number of > NBCs. > > The background, of course, is that [very important] customers have > working/validated infrastructure running a specific release and simply > cannot tolerate any change beyond the very specific one they need *NOW* > > I get it, truly, but I feel that the =E2=80=98m=E2=80=99 / =E2=80=98M=E2= =80=99 suffixes are both > inconsistent with general understanding and insufficiently to express wha= t > is needed. > > +1 I also find the granularity of NBC info to be mostly worthless at the module level. There is no difference between a 1 leaf bugfix and a complete rewrite of the module. Let's say 1 leaf "type string" needs to be changed to add "length 1..max". This reduces the value set for 1 leaf by 1 value. This flags the entire module as NBC and you would bump the major revision number. The entire premise that one can decide if it is safe to upgrade based on the version string is flawed. A possible fix might be to allow for ..[-], > thereby enabling vendors to encode any format off a base release=E2=80=A6= and rely > on inspection of the =E2=80=9Crevision=E2=80=9D history indicate if/when = NBC changes > occurred. > > But then I question (again) the need for the simplified format at all, as > opposed to just using revision dates. For instance, if > represents a long history of NBCs, that they were based on some source > M.m.p starts to lose relevance. > > Is the expectation that the vendor's module versions will use > .. values mimicking their release numbers? For > instance, would FooBar OS version 20.1.2 implement YANG module > "foobar@20.1.2=E2=80=9D? I can see product mangers pushing for this, b= ut then > are companies (like Juniper) that use alternate release name-formatting > strategies disadvantaged? How is that fair? To thwart this, would the = WG > be willing to assert that the history MUST start at 0.0.0 and MUST only > monotonically increment values? > > > Note that OpenConfig also hit this problem, but they proposed a different > solution. I.e. ship the base module with another module that contains > deviations to fix any bugs in the base module. Alas this completely > decouples the real module history from any revision-date/version number > contained in the module, since to really understand the version of the > module you also need to know the set of associated patch modules containi= ng > any deviations to the base module. > > > I=E2=80=99d need to see an illustration of this to be sure I understand, = but my > first impression is that it is yet another attempt to fit a square into a > circle. > > I don't have a solution proposal, but it would be great if a vendor could issue a patch to a standard module which says "this is the standard module plus these known Errata ". OK if this is in the form of deviations In the end, I see no substitute to relying on =E2=80=9Crevision=E2=80=9D hi= story which 1) > perfectly tracks branching history and can flag if/when NBC changes > occurred. > > Agreed > > Kent // contributor > > > Andy --0000000000007c642805a228ef9f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


=
On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 8:37 AM Kent = Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net> wrote:
[replying to Reshad as well]



The goal of YANG semver is n= ot to facilitate release branching.=C2=A0 It is to allow vendors to fix YAN= G modules without forcing clients to update to the latest version of that Y= ANG module (which may contain other unrelated NBC changes and have lots of = dependencies on other modules).

This is what Reshad was pointing to as well.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m very= familiar with the issue, from my Juniper days, where there were all sorts = of patch and (gasp) customer special releases, either of which could introd= uce any number of NBCs. =C2=A0

The background, of = course, is that [very important] customers have working/validated infrastru= cture running a specific release and simply cannot tolerate any change beyo= nd the very specific one they need *NOW*

I get it,= truly, =C2=A0but I feel that the =E2=80=98m=E2=80=99 / =E2=80=98M=E2=80=99= suffixes are both inconsistent with general understanding and insufficient= ly to express what is needed. =C2=A0





This fl= ags the entire module as NBC and you would bump the major revision number.<= /div>
The entire premise that one can decide if it is safe to upgrade b= ased on the version string is flawed.


A possible fix might be to allow for &l= t;major>.<minor>.<patch>[-<anystring>], thereby enabli= ng vendors to encode any format off a base release=E2=80=A6and rely on insp= ection of the =E2=80=9Crevision=E2=80=9D history indicate if/when NBC chang= es occurred. =C2=A0

But then I question (again) th= e need for the simplified format at all, as opposed to just using revision = dates.=C2=A0 For instance, if <anysting> represents a long history of= NBCs, that they were based on some source M.m.p starts to lose relevance.<= /div>

Is the expectation that the vendor's module ve= rsions will use <major>.<minor>.<patch> values mimicking = their release numbers?=C2=A0 For instance, would FooBar OS version 20.1.2 i= mplement YANG module "foobar@20.1.2=E2=80=9D? =C2=A0 =C2=A0I can see p= roduct mangers pushing for this, but then are companies (like Juniper) that= use alternate release name-formatting strategies disadvantaged?=C2=A0 How = is that fair? =C2=A0 To thwart this, would the WG be willing to assert that= the history MUST start at 0.0.0 and MUST only monotonically increment valu= es?


=
Note that OpenCo= nfig also hit this problem, but they proposed a different solution.=C2=A0 I= .e. ship the base module with another module that contains deviations to fi= x any bugs in the base module.=C2=A0 Alas this completely decouples the rea= l module history from any revision-date/version number contained in the mod= ule, since to really understand the version of the module you also need to = know the set of associated patch modules containing any deviations to the b= ase module.

I=E2=80=99d need = to see an illustration of this to be sure I understand, but my first impres= sion is that it is yet another attempt to fit a square into a circle. =C2= =A0



I don't have a solution proposal, but it would be great if a vendor = could issue a patch
to a standard module which says "this is= the standard module plus these known Errata ".
OK if this i= s in the form of deviations

In the end, I see no substitute to relying on =E2=80=9Crevision=E2=80= =9D history which 1) perfectly tracks branching history and can flag if/whe= n NBC changes occurred. =C2=A0

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Agreed
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Kent // contributor




Andy
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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000eada2c05a22b8bb8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-label statements X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 19:26:45 -0000 --000000000000eada2c05a22b8bb8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 9:48 AM Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) < jason.sterne@nokia.com> wrote: > Darn - poor choice of my first example. I meant this: > > > > 1.0.0 -> 1.1.0 -> 2.0.0 -> 3.0.0 -> 1.2.0 > This is the use-case I want to support. Using revision-date alone, a tool and administrator would think 1.2.0 is an update to 3.0.0 If a revision-label is added, then it is clear that 1.2.0 is based on 1.1.0, not 3.0.0. Whether ANY update has BC vs. NBC changes in it is another issue. There might be lots of info that one might encode into the revision-label. This is often the case, and a good argument to create additional metadata fields and leave the revision-label "clean". (e.g. vendor-revision-label) Andy > > would be confusing comparing 1.0.0 and 1.2.0. > > > > (I wasn't trying to illustrate a "loop", or coming back to a file that wa= s > the same content as previously) > > > > *From:* Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:42 PM > *To:* Reshad Rahman (rrahman) ; Ivory, William < > william.ivory@intl.att.com>; mbj+ietf@4668.se > *Cc:* netmod@ietf.org > *Subject:* RE: [netmod] All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-label > statements > > > > The idea is that following down a chain of YANG versions of a module > results in a semver that is "cumulative". Just like you can't do this: > > > > 1.0.0 -> 1.1.0 -> 2.0.0 -> 3.0.0 -> 1.1.0 > > > > That would be confusing when comparing 1.0.0 and 1.1.0. The numbers would > imply they are BC. > > > > Once you mark an "M" you can't take it away. > > > > In William's example, someone looking at 1.0.4 vs 1.0.2 would think they > are BC with each other (by just looking at the yang semver. > > > > We'd rather err on the side of "false positives" for an NBC change so tha= t > someone looks into it. (e.g. 1.0.3M -> 1.0.4M may not be an NBC change b= ut > users should look just in case). > > > > Jason > > > > *From:* Reshad Rahman (rrahman) > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:04 PM > *To:* Ivory, William ; mbj+ietf@4668.se; > Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) > *Cc:* netmod@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [netmod] All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-label > statements > > > > Hi, > > > > Thanks for the suggestion. > > > > This was discussed, I think the reason we didn=E2=80=99t go with that sol= ution is > that (as you mentioned) you need the module contents with all the previou= s > version labels. Does anyone from the design team recall any other details= ? > > > > Regards, > > Reshad. > > > > *From: *"Ivory, William" > *Date: *Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 3:40 AM > *To: *"mbj+ietf@4668.se" , "jason.sterne@nokia.com" < > jason.sterne@nokia.com>, "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" > *Cc: *"netmod@ietf.org" > *Subject: *Re: [netmod] All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision-label > statements > > > > Apologies if this has already been suggested and deemed unworkable, but i= f > you have access to all previous version labels for a branch then you can > add 'M' only to the versions that are NBC with the previous version, and > subsequent versions could drop the M until the next NBC change, ie: > > > > 1.0.0 -> 1.0.1 -> 1.0.2 > 1.0.3M -> 1.0.4 -> 1.0.5M ... > > > > Here 1.04 is BC with 1.03 but not 1.0.0 - 1.0.2; 1.0.5 is NBC with 1.0.4 > and previous versions etc. > > > > The revision statements contain the revision-labels so you should have al= l > the previous revision-labels present in the file, and you have all the da= ta > you need. Now you don't have the problem of the branch being poisoned as > soon as the first M is added. > > > > William > > > > On Mon, 2020-03-30 at 22:11 +0000, Reshad Rahman (rrahman) wrote: > > On 2020-03-30, 5:51 PM, "Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund" wrote: > > > > "Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" wrote: > > > > But it is not true. What happened between 1.0.2M and 1.0.3M? > > > > > > It tells you there is an NBC change between 1.0.2M and 1.0.3M. > > > > No. As you note below it says that all bets are off. The change > > between these two could be a spelling error fix. Hence, Reshad's > > statement that "The revision label allows a user to easily figure out > > whether 2 revisions are (N)BC." is not correct. > > You are correct that once a branch is poisoned with an 'M', the informati= on provided is not as rich. > > Even though you don't know whether 1.0.3M is BC/NBC with 1.0.2M, you stil= l know that > > - 1.0.2M is NBC with 1.0.1 and 1.0.0 > > - 1.0.3M is NBC with 1.0.1 and 1.0.0 > > - 1.0.1 is BC with 1.0.0 > > > > Still useful IMO. > > > > Regards, > > Reshad. > > > > > The M gives an indication that a branch has been "poisoned" by an > > > NBC change and that all bets are off from that point onwards in tha= t > > > branch. > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: netmod On Behalf Of Martin Bj=C3= =B6rklund > > > > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 4:40 PM > > > > To: rrahman@cisco.com > > > > Cc: netmod@ietf.org > > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] All IETF YANG modules MUST include revision= -label > > > > statements > > > > > > > > "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 2020-03-30, 2:20 PM, "Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" wrote: > > > > > > On 2020-03-28, 4:41 AM, "Martin Bj=C3=B6rklund" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-= 3A__github.com_netmod-2Dwg_yang-2Dver-2Ddt_issues_45&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9= _HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3Dp8kyeK3u4ZYiaQ2ZPGqwkyXmQgBH6r5jpYiYWzhqJ48&m=3DffH268c= 0xOd0DSFLQzZ2JHAmCHjVzPJVJtGPNxiiJcs&s=3Dnyxzbv7ZWMgcXuMEW8MqjeT3oVxla6qFiF= 96M8SaMUY&e=3D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 7.1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The text says: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All IETF YANG modules MUST include revi= sion-label statements > > > > for > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > newly published YANG modules, and all n= ewly published > > > > revisions of > > > > > > > existing YANG modules. The revision-la= bel MUST take the form > > > > of a > > > > > > > YANG semantic version number [I-D.verdt= -netmod-yang- > > > > semver]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I strongly disagree with this new rule. = IETF modules use a linear > > > > > > > history, so there are no reasons to use "= modified semver". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is ok to use rev:nbc-changes if needed= , though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We believe some IETF models may not follow linear h= istory, this was > > > > > > > brought up (I think) for IDR. Modified semver allow= s for non-linear > > > > > > > history and also doesn't preclude linear history. S= o even if we end up > > > > > > > having no IETF modules using branching, modified se= mver still works. > > > > > > > > > > > > With the clarifiactions and updates in > > > > > > draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning, non-linear= versioning > > > > > > works without modified semver. So there is no techni= cal reason to use > > > > > > modified semver in IETF modules. > > > > > > > > > > > > So are you proposing we use some other revision-label sch= eme (e.g. > > > > semver 2.0.0) for IETF modules? > > > > > > > > > > > > Or that IETF modules shouldn't use revision-labels? > > > > > > > > > > That IETF shouldn't use revision labels. > > > > > > > > > > The revision label allows a user to easily figure out whether 2 > > > > > revisions are (N)BC. > > > > > > > > I think you meant "modified semver as revision label allows ..." > > > > > > > > But it is not true. What happened between 1.0.2M and 1.0.3M? > > > > > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without the label, you always have to use tooling. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Reshad. > > > > > > > > > > I am all for using rev:nbc-changes or rev:editorial-changes= (which I > > > > > think should be added) in IETF modules. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or do you have something else in mind? > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Reshad. > > > > > > > > > > > > I can reluctantly accept that modified smever is publ= ished as > > > > > > Experimental. But that doesn't mean that IETF module= s should use it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Reshad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2020-03-20, 5:08 PM, "netmod on behalf of Reshad= Rahman > > > > (rrahman)" > > > > > > > > > > > > > rrahman=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Martin, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've opened issues to track your review commen= ts (see below). > > > > Will > > > > > > > kick off separate therads for each issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dht= tps-3A__github.com_netmod-2Dwg_yang-2Dver-2D&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTS= QicvjIg&r=3Dp8kyeK3u4ZYiaQ2ZPGqwkyXmQgBH6r5jpYiYWzhqJ48&m=3DffH268c0xOd0DSF= LQzZ2JHAmCHjVzPJVJtGPNxiiJcs&s=3DHjVuj69fVsCLulvyNUajxCbtSKPAVkUZVJNK8s-f-H= o&e=3D > > > > dt/issues?q=3Dis%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aupdated-mod-rev-handli= ng > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Reshad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2020-03-10, 3:31 PM, "netmod on behalf of Ma= rtin Bj=C3=B6rklund" > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are my review comments of > > > > > > > draft-verdt-netmod-yang-module-versioning-0= 1. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.1.1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o In statements that have any data def= inition statements as > > > > > > > substatements, those data definition= substatements MAY be > > > > > > > reordered, as long as they do not ch= ange the ordering or any > > > > > > > "rpc" > > > > > > > "input" substatements. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this needs to capture that no des= cendant statements to > > > > > > > "input" can be reordered. Same for "outp= ut" (note, "input" and > > > > > > > "output" in both "rpc" and "action"). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All revision labels that match the patt= ern for the "version" > > > > > > > typedef in the ietf-yang-semver YANG mo= dule MUST be > > > > interpreted as > > > > > > > YANG semantic version numbers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think this is a good idea. Seems= like a layer violation. > > > > > > > What if my project use another dialect of= semver, that wouldn't > > > > be > > > > > > > possible with this rule. I think this ne= eds to be removed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Submodules MUST NOT use revision label = schemes that could > > > > be > > > > > > > confused > > > > > > > with the including module's revision la= bel scheme. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm, how do I ensure that this MUST NOT i= s handled correctly? > > > > What > > > > > > > exactly does "could be confused with" mea= n? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the filename of a YANG module, whe= re it takes the form: > > > > > > > module- > > > > > > > or-submodule-name ['@' revision-label= ] ( '.yang' / '.yin' ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should this section update 5.2 of RFC 795= 0? I know that 5.2 just > > > > > > > says "SHOULD". But existing tools implem= ent this SHOULD, and > > > > they > > > > > > > need to be updated to handle this new con= vention. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I wonder if this a good idea. It mea= ns that a tool that looks > > > > > > > for a module with a certain revision date= cannot simply check > > > > the > > > > > > > filenames, but need to parse all availabl= e modules (wijust to > > > > find > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leaf imperial-temperature { > > > > > > > type int64; > > > > > > > units "degrees Fahrenheit"; > > > > > > > status deprecated { > > > > > > > rev:status-description > > > > > > > "Imperial measurements are being= phased out in favor > > > > > > > of their metric equivalents. U= se metric-temperature > > > > > > > instead."; > > > > > > > } > > > > > > > description > > > > > > > "Temperature in degrees Fahrenheit= ."; > > > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think rev:status-description is n= ecessary / worth it. This > > > > > > > can easily be written with the normal des= cription statement > > > > instead: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leaf imperial-temperature { > > > > > > > type int64; > > > > > > > units "degrees Fahrenheit"; > > > > > > > status deprecated; > > > > > > > description > > > > > > > "Imperial measurements are being= phased out in favor > > > > > > > of their metric equivalents. U= se metric-temperature > > > > > > > instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Temperature in degrees Fahrenhe= it."; > > > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 3.5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The example modules should be legal YANG = modules. Use e.g. > > > > > > > "urn:example:module" as namespace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, the modules are missing the last "}= ", which confuses the > > > > > > > "rfcstrip" tool. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 4.1.1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alternatively, the first example could = have used the revision > > > > > > > label > > > > > > > "1.0.0" instead, which selects the same= set of > > > > revisions/versions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > import example-module { > > > > > > > rev:revision-or-derived 1.0.0; > > > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shouldn't this be s/1.0.0/2.0.0/g ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think the module name "ietf-yl-revision= s" should be changed > > > > to > > > > > > > "ietf-yang-library-revisions". "yl" is = not a well-known acronym. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 5.2.2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wouldn't it be better if the leaf "deprec= ated-nodes- > > > > implemented" and > > > > > > > "obsolete-nodes-absent" were of type "boo= lean" rather than > > > > type > > > > > > > "empty"? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 7.1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The text says: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All IETF YANG modules MUST include revi= sion-label statements > > > > for > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > newly published YANG modules, and all n= ewly published > > > > revisions of > > > > > > > existing YANG modules. The revision-la= bel MUST take the form > > > > of a > > > > > > > YANG semantic version number [I-D.verdt= -netmod-yang- > > > > semver]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I strongly disagree with this new rule. = IETF modules use a linear > > > > > > > history, so there are no reasons to use "= modified semver". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is ok to use rev:nbc-changes if needed= , though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 7.1.1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a missing " in: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. For status "obsolete", it is RECOMME= NDED to keep the > > > > "status- > > > > > > > description" information, from when = the node had status > > > > > > > "deprecated, which is still relevant= . > > > > > > > HERE -----------^ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o 8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > s/CODE ENDS>// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > o Both YANG modules > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All extensions should specify the grammar= ; i.e., in which > > > > statements > > > > > > > they can be present and which substatemen= ts they can have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________= ____ > > > > > > > netmod mailing list > > > > > > > netmod@ietf.org > > > > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u= =3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_netmod&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HU= MeMTSQicvjIg&r=3Dp8kyeK3u4ZYiaQ2ZPGqwkyXmQgBH6r5jpYiYWzhqJ48&m=3DffH268c0xO= 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NETMOD WG Session in IETF 107 -------------------------------------------- Session: Thursday April 2nd PDT: 04:00-06:00=20 EDT: 07:00-09:00 UTC: 11:00-13:00 CST: 19:00-21:00 WG Chairs: Lou Berger (lberger at labs dot net) Kent Watsen (kent plus ietf at watsen dot net) Joel Jaeggli (joelja at bogus dot com) Available During Session: Jabber: xmpp:netmod@jabber.ietf.org?join Etherpad: https://etherpad.ietf.org/p/notes-ietf-107-netmod ICal: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2020-netmod-01/sessions/netmo= d.ics Slides: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2020-netmod-01/session/netmod= WebEx Chat: For virtual queue control (type "+Q" and "-Q" to = enter/leave) WebEx A/V: For session (see below for info) JOIN BY WEBEX: URL: = https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dme2e37606188ba99be744a57adbcd5802= Meeting number (access code): 616 779 982 Meeting password: mYtpMnVP524 JOIN BY PHONE 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) Tap here to call (mobile phones only, 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Jabber Logs: https://www.ietf.org/jabber/logs/netmod Etherpad: https://etherpad.ietf.org/p/notes-ietf-107-netmod Slides: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2020-netmod-01/session/netmod= =20 Introduction TITLE: Session Intro & WG Status PRESENTER: Chairs Adopted items: TITLE: Recently Adopted YANG Module Versioning Drafts PRESENTER: Authors DRAFT(s) = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-module-versioning-00 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-packages-00 = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-schema-comparison-00 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-semver-00 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-solutions-00 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-ver-selection-00 = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-versioning-reqs-02 Not-Yet-Adopted items: TITLE: A YANG Data model for ECA Policy Management PRESENTER: Authors DRAFT(s) https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-06 TITLE: YANG Data Node Self Explanation Tags PRESENTER: Tao,Ran DRAFT(s) https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-01 TITLE: 3GPP's UML to YANG Object Module Mapping PRESENTER: Balazs Lengyel DRAFT(s) None TITLE: CORECONF PRESENTER: Carsten Bormann DRAFT(s) https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-core-yang-cbor-12 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-core-sid-11 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-core-comi-09 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-core-yang-library-01