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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable YANG Versioning Weekly Call Minutes - 2020-12-01 We talked about: 1) preparing for the virtual interim, and 2) the whitespace issue (item B of the virtual interim agenda) Jason to work with the chairs to go ahead with Dec 14th. We'll try to encourage/build some good participation for the interim over t= he coming weeks. The interim will be the final discussion for these issues - after that we w= ill make a decision and put the result into the final last-call drafts. Need to progress on materials preparation before next weekly call. Target: = get materials reviewed and out by Monday Dec 7th. Some rough notes from the whitespace issue (B): Should insignificant whitespace changes (i.e. outside quotes) to a YANG mod= ule be allowed without changing the revision? (e.g. windows CR/LF) - decorate in separate file - scope of this issue is insignificant whitespace changes - is this a checksum of a file, or of the significant YANG statements? Woul= d have to define canonical YANG. Treating whitespace changes as insignificant (i.e. as the same version) wou= ld make clear that two modules have the same meaning of they differ only in= insignificant whitespace. It would also make things like Windows vs. Unix = line endings an insignificant matter. - have to define canonical output format (not just a tool): - CR/LF - order of sub-statements: is that editorial change? Or is it "insignif= icant" ? - order of leafs within a container? No - you can't change order of lea= fs (that matters) - does 7950 actually define significant vs insignificant - any "YIN" considerations ? Treating whitespace changes as editorial changes (i.e. as a new version) wo= uld make it possible to use regular checksum tools to check the integrity o= f YANG modules and packages. It would also make clear which of two modules = with whitespace differences is the newer version. Rgds, Jason --_000_DM6PR08MB58844CCC20E514D77E49E5FC9BF40DM6PR08MB5884namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

YANG Versioning Weekly Call Minutes - 2020-12-01

 

We talked about:

1) preparing for the virtual interim, and=

2) the whitespace issue (item B of the virtual inter= im agenda)

 

Jason to work with the chairs to go ahead with Dec 1= 4th.

 

We'll try to encourage/build some good participation= for the interim over the coming weeks.

 

The interim will be the final discussion for these i= ssues - after that we will make a decision and put the result into the fina= l last-call drafts.

 

Need to progress on materials preparation before nex= t weekly call. Target: get materials reviewed and out by Monday Dec 7t= h.

 

Some rough notes from the whitespace issue (B):=

 

Should insignificant whitespace changes (i.e. outsid= e quotes) to a YANG module be allowed without changing the revision?

(e.g. windows CR/LF)

- decorate in separate file

- scope of this issue is insignificant whitespace ch= anges

- is this a checksum of a file, or of the significan= t YANG statements? Would have to define canonical YANG.

 

Treating whitespace changes as insignificant (i.e. a= s the same version) would make clear that two modules have the same meaning= of they differ only in insignificant whitespace. It would also make things= like Windows vs. Unix line endings an insignificant matter.

- have to define canonical output format (not just a= tool):

   - CR/LF

   - order of sub-statements:  is tha= t editorial change? Or is it "insignificant" ?

   - order of leafs within a container?&nb= sp; No - you can't change order of leafs (that matters)

- does 7950 actually define significant vs insignifi= cant

- any "YIN" considerations ?

 

Treating whitespace changes as editorial changes (i.= e. as a new version) would make it possible to use regular checksum tools t= o check the integrity of YANG modules and packages. It would also make clea= r which of two modules with whitespace differences is the newer version.

 

Rgds,

Jason

 

 

--_000_DM6PR08MB58844CCC20E514D77E49E5FC9BF40DM6PR08MB5884namp_-- From nobody Wed Dec 2 03:27:52 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9207B3A10F2; Wed, 2 Dec 2020 03:27:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netmod@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.23.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netmod@ietf.org Message-ID: <160690846153.31591.2888836290762684843@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2020 03:27:41 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-06.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2020 11:27:42 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. Title : A YANG Grouping for Geographic Locations Author : Christian Hopps Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-06.txt Pages : 25 Date : 2020-12-02 Abstract: This document defines a generic geographical location object YANG grouping. The geographical location grouping is intended to be used in YANG models for specifying a location on or in reference to Earth or any other astronomical object. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location/ There is also an HTML version available at: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-06.html A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-06 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Dec 2 03:31:46 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B15E3A12F0 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2020 03:31:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 90mnawykQ9Ve for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2020 03:31:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.chopps.org (smtp.chopps.org [54.88.81.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E543A12EF for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2020 03:31:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (047-050-069-038.biz.spectrum.com [47.50.69.38]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by smtp.chopps.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9A6A361668; Wed, 2 Dec 2020 11:31:35 +0000 (UTC) From: Christian Hopps Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_92BE12FA-2C4B-40B0-B437-599015304236"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 06:31:32 -0500 In-Reply-To: <160690846153.31591.2888836290762684843@ietfa.amsl.com> To: netmod@ietf.org References: <160690846153.31591.2888836290762684843@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-06.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2020 11:31:45 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_92BE12FA-2C4B-40B0-B437-599015304236 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This update addresses a few remaining nits identified during WGLC. 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The geographical location grouping is intended to be used=0A= > in YANG models for specifying a location on or in reference to Earth=0A= > or any other astronomical object.=0A= >=0A= >=0A= > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:=0A= > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location/=0A= >=0A= > There is also an HTML version available at:=0A= > https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-06.html=0A= >=0A= > A diff from the previous version is available at:=0A= > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-06=0A= >=0A= >=0A= > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion=0A= > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.=0A= >=0A= > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:=0A= > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/=0A= >=0A= >=0A= > _______________________________________________=0A= > netmod mailing list=0A= > netmod@ietf.org=0A= > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod=0A= >=0A= =0A= From nobody Thu Dec 3 04:15:45 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A15113A0794; Thu, 3 Dec 2020 04:15:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netmod@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.23.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netmod@ietf.org Message-ID: <160699774361.6007.1678674013661004200@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2020 04:15:43 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-07.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2020 12:15:44 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. Title : A YANG Grouping for Geographic Locations Author : Christian Hopps Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-07.txt Pages : 25 Date : 2020-12-03 Abstract: This document defines a generic geographical location object YANG grouping. The geographical location grouping is intended to be used in YANG models for specifying a location on or in reference to Earth or any other astronomical object. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location/ There is also an HTML version available at: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-07.html A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-07 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Dec 3 04:17:02 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C2B03A1057 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2020 04:16:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uHtHfXEIdkDW for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2020 04:16:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.chopps.org (smtp.chopps.org [54.88.81.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2343B3A08DA for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2020 04:16:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (047-050-069-038.biz.spectrum.com [47.50.69.38]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by smtp.chopps.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8357360470; Thu, 3 Dec 2020 12:16:24 +0000 (UTC) From: Christian Hopps Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7828B9B5-7CA3-4AB6-979C-3813A61418C1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 07:16:23 -0500 In-Reply-To: Cc: Christian Hopps , "netmod@ietf.org" To: tom petch References: <160690846153.31591.2888836290762684843@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-06.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2020 12:17:01 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_7828B9B5-7CA3-4AB6-979C-3813A61418C1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You did, and I missed that change. I've updated and posted a new = version. Thanks, Chris. > On Dec 3, 2020, at 5:02 AM, tom petch wrote: >=20 > From: netmod on behalf of Christian Hopps = > Sent: 02 December 2020 11:31 >=20 > This update addresses a few remaining nits identified during WGLC. >=20 > >=20 > Chris >=20 > I did suggest expanding the contact in the YANG module as e.g. in = rfc6991-bis (or RFC8407)with >=20 > contact > "WG Web: > WG List: >=20 > Editor: Christian ... >=20 > Tom Petch >=20 > Thanks, > Chris. >=20 >=20 >> On Dec 2, 2020, at 6:27 AM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. >> This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. >>=20 >> Title : A YANG Grouping for Geographic Locations >> Author : Christian Hopps >> Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-06.txt >> Pages : 25 >> Date : 2020-12-02 >>=20 >> Abstract: >> This document defines a generic geographical location object YANG >> grouping. The geographical location grouping is intended to be used >> in YANG models for specifying a location on or in reference to Earth >> or any other astronomical object. >>=20 >>=20 >> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location/ >>=20 >> There is also an HTML version available at: >> = https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-06.html >>=20 >> A diff from the previous version is available at: >> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-06 >>=20 >>=20 >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >>=20 >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> netmod mailing list >> netmod@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >>=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_7828B9B5-7CA3-4AB6-979C-3813A61418C1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Christian Hopps Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2020 12:16 You did, and I missed that change. I've updated and posted a new version. Looks good Tom Petch Thanks, Chris. > On Dec 3, 2020, at 5:02 AM, tom petch wrote: > > From: netmod on behalf of Christian Hopps > Sent: 02 December 2020 11:31 > > This update addresses a few remaining nits identified during WGLC. > > > > Chris > > I did suggest expanding the contact in the YANG module as e.g. in rfc6991= -bis (or RFC8407)with > > contact > "WG Web: > WG List: > > Editor: Christian ... > > Tom Petch > > Thanks, > Chris. > > >> On Dec 2, 2020, at 6:27 AM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >> >> >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direc= tories. >> This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. >> >> Title : A YANG Grouping for Geographic Locations >> Author : Christian Hopps >> Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-06.txt >> Pages : 25 >> Date : 2020-12-02 >> >> Abstract: >> This document defines a generic geographical location object YANG >> grouping. The geographical location grouping is intended to be used >> in YANG models for specifying a location on or in reference to Earth >> or any other astronomical object. >> >> >> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location/ >> >> There is also an HTML version available at: >> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-06.html >> >> A diff from the previous version is available at: >> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-06 >> >> >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submis= sion >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> netmod mailing list >> netmod@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >> > > --_000_AM7PR07MB62485BD04FD1770E5B85F6E3A0F10AM7PR07MB6248eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
From: Christian Hopps
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2020 12:16
         

You did, and I missed that change. I've updated an= d posted a new version.
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Looks good

Tom Petch


Thanks,
Chris.

> On Dec 3, 2020, at 5:02 AM, tom petch <ietfc@btconnect.com> wrot= e:
>
> From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Christian Ho= pps <chopps@chopps.org>
> Sent: 02 December 2020 11:31
>
> This update addresses a few remaining nits identified during WGLC.
>
> <tp>
>
> Chris
>
> I did suggest expanding the contact in the YANG module as e.g. in rfc6= 991-bis (or RFC8407)with
>
>   contact
>    "WG Web:   <https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/netmod/>= ;
>     WG List:  <mailto:netmod@ietf.org>
>
>     Editor:   Christian ...
>
> Tom Petch
>
> Thanks,
> Chris.
>
>
>> On Dec 2, 2020, at 6:27 AM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
>>
>>
>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts= directories.
>> This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF.<= br> >>
>>       Title    &= nbsp;      : A YANG Grouping for Geographic Locati= ons
>>       Author    =       : Christian Hopps
>>      Filename    &nbs= p;   : draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-06.txt
>>      Pages     &= nbsp;     : 25
>>      Date     &n= bsp;      : 2020-12-02
>>
>> Abstract:
>>  This document defines a generic geographical location object= YANG
>>  grouping.  The geographical location grouping is intend= ed to be used
>>  in YANG models for specifying a location on or in reference = to Earth
>>  or any other astronomical object.
>>
>>
>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location/
>>
>> There is also an HTML version available at:
>> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-06.html<= br> >>
>> A diff from the previous version is available at:
>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-06 >>
>>
>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission
>> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.or= g.
>>
>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
>>
>>
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charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Authors,     My apologies -- I failed to cc the WG on this.  Can you please re-reply so that your response make it into the WG archive. Thank you! Lou -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Regarding IPR on draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 18:08:59 -0500 From: Lou Berger To: Qin Wu , Igor Bryskin , Henk Birkholz , Xufeng Liu , Benoit Claise CC: NetMod WG Chairs Authors, Per the 109 session, it is the chairs intent to do another adoption call on this draft. In preparation for that, we’ve determined both that the draft has changed significantly and that there is a new author, and therefore feel it necessary to issue another IPR call, as follows: Authors, Contributors, WG, As part of preparation for WG Adoption: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate. We note that all DT members are listed as contributors. If you contributed to the document please respond. Alternatively, please feel free to state that you didn't materially contribute to the draft and would like your name removed from the contribution section (and moved to acknowledgments after WG adoption). If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. Thank you, NETMOD WG Chairs PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your response. --------------36A47BC51810F0D96B8607EB Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Authors,

    My apologies -- I failed to cc the WG on this.  Can you please re-reply so that your response make it into the WG archive.

Thank you!

Lou


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Regarding IPR on draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 18:08:59 -0500
From: Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>
To: Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com>, Igor Bryskin <i_bryskin@yahoo.com>, Henk Birkholz <henk.birkholz@sit.fraunhofer.de>, Xufeng Liu <xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com>, Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com>
CC: NetMod WG Chairs <netmod-chairs@ietf.org>


Authors,

Per the 109 session, it is the chairs intent to do another adoption call on this draft. In preparation for that, we’ve determined both that the draft has changed significantly and that there is a new author, and therefore feel it necessary to issue another IPR call, as follows:


Authors, Contributors, WG,

As part of preparation for WG Adoption:

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above?

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"
or
"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think
appropriate.

We note that all DT members are listed as contributors. If you
contributed to the document please respond. Alternatively, please feel
free to state that you didn't materially contribute to the draft and
would like your name removed from the contribution section (and moved to
acknowledgments after WG adoption).

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the
above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are
aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next
stage until a response has been received from each author.

NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES.

If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed
as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under
the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are
aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from
participating in any contribution or discussion related to your
undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above
and
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty.

Thank you,
NETMOD WG Chairs

PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your
response.

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From nobody Mon Dec 7 14:28:24 2020 Return-Path: <010001763f51be69-e02919f1-e431-4600-93d5-24e34a54b775-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB543A0BF3; Mon, 7 Dec 2020 14:28:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eaZqP70ULBpt; Mon, 7 Dec 2020 14:28:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from a48-90.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a48-90.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.48.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFBF73A0CA2; Mon, 7 Dec 2020 14:28:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1607380090; h=From:Message-Id:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References:Feedback-ID; bh=4zOwDQEfKxXpSqBSqI5erUCKx5ibRa17SBrVVd8MpXo=; b=hp1dTWNF7jZG8oBLKih1MROl3/uyufy1xVtkfIMjvDhFU4II+maQSFc61OEflooG nACXWNwzRX0ZucQR+7ScIcOT7yUS8u2L6ILkBOAQKIEMq/dYNujSBtvFxyeW/T7UAo7 2FFEAzn5hvjQJLSfccANNL9JKSKaAQkInX+K+pMg= From: Kent Watsen Message-ID: <010001763f51be69-e02919f1-e431-4600-93d5-24e34a54b775-000000@email.amazonses.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_11EBC494-D2A9-40C4-A8D7-9502970CF1A2" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 22:28:10 +0000 In-Reply-To: <01000175f7578c79-564788c9-19ef-49f7-a6a1-f2dd7dd2bb8c-000000@email.amazonses.com> Cc: "netmod@ietf.org" To: "taoran (F)" , Qin Wu , Benoit Claise , =?utf-8?B?TGlhbmcgR2VuZ3zogL/kuq4=?= , duzongpeng@chinamobile.com, draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags@ietf.org References: <24cf37e7-bd2e-8ffe-d062-cf7bfbce6d2d@labn.net> <01000175f7578c79-564788c9-19ef-49f7-a6a1-f2dd7dd2bb8c-000000@email.amazonses.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.12.07-54.240.48.90 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Regarding IPR on draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-06 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2020 22:28:23 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_11EBC494-D2A9-40C4-A8D7-9502970CF1A2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thank you, authors. All authors responded with "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to = this draft=E2=80=9D. Kent (as co-chair) > On Nov 23, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: >=20 > Authors, >=20 > Per the 109 session, it is the chairs intent to do another adoption = call on the "yang-node-tags=E2=80=9D draft. In preparation for that, = we=E2=80=99ve determined both that the draft has changed significantly = and that there is a new author, and therefore feel it necessary to issue = another IPR call, as follows: >=20 >=20 > Authors, Contributors, WG, >=20 > As part of preparation for WG Adoption: >=20 > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? >=20 > Please state either: >=20 > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" >=20 > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? >=20 > If yes to the above, please state either: >=20 > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" >=20 > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. >=20 > We note that all DT members are listed as contributors. If you > contributed to the document please respond. Alternatively, please = feel > free to state that you didn't materially contribute to the draft and > would like your name removed from the contribution section (and moved = to > acknowledgments after WG adoption). >=20 > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer = the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next > stage until a response has been received from each author. >=20 > NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. >=20 > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not = listed > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from > participating in any contribution or discussion related to your > undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed = above > and > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. >=20 > Thank you, > NETMOD WG Chairs >=20 > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > response. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod --Apple-Mail=_11EBC494-D2A9-40C4-A8D7-9502970CF1A2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Thank= you, authors.

All = authors responded with "No, I'm not aware of = any IPR that applies to this draft=E2=80=9D.

Kent = (as co-chair)



On Nov 23, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Kent Watsen = <kent+ietf@watsen.net> wrote:

Authors,

Per the 109 session, it = is the chairs intent to do another adoption call on the = "yang-node-tags=E2=80=9D draft.  In preparation for that, we=E2=80=99= ve determined both that the draft has changed significantly and that = there is a new author, and therefore feel it necessary to issue another = IPR call, as follows:


Authors,= Contributors, WG,

As part of preparation = for WG Adoption:

Are you aware of any IPR = that applies to drafts identified above?

Please state either:

"No, I'm = not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in = compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3669, 5378 and = 8179 for more details)?

If yes to the = above, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR = has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"
or
"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you = think
appropriate.

We note = that all DT members are listed as contributors.  If you
contributed to the document please respond. =  Alternatively, please feel
free to state that you = didn't materially contribute to the draft and
would like = your name removed from the contribution section (and moved to
acknowledgments after WG adoption).

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please = answer the
above by responding to this email regardless of = whether or not you are
aware of any relevant IPR. This = document will not advance to the next
stage until a = response has been received from each author.

NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO = LINES.

If you are on the WG email list or = attend WG meetings but are not listed
as an author or = contributor, we remind you of your obligations under
the = IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are
aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain = from
participating in any contribution or discussion = related to your
undisclosed IPR. For more information, = please see the RFCs listed above
and
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualPro= perty.

Thank you,
NETMOD = WG Chairs

PS Please include all listed in = the headers of this message in your
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= --Apple-Mail=_11EBC494-D2A9-40C4-A8D7-9502970CF1A2-- From nobody Mon Dec 7 14:30:14 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E20443A0C12; Mon, 7 Dec 2020 14:30:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.23.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <160738021190.16565.8614585091268006893@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2020 14:30:11 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] The NETMOD WG has placed draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang in state "Candidate for WG Adoption" X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2020 22:30:12 -0000 The NETMOD WG has placed draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang in state Candidate for WG Adoption (entered by Lou Berger) The document is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang/ Comment: See https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/crqHe-obHSAT-Tr5f4jHmLP7sq8/ From nobody Mon Dec 7 14:33:16 2020 Return-Path: <010001763f5649c9-e5fe8654-dc68-4a39-bbfb-b022e2f58242-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 195CF3A0C1E for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2020 14:33:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.916 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.916 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HQAN5Q-pxNz7 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2020 14:33:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from a8-33.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-33.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94EA13A0B61 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2020 14:33:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1607380388; h=From:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Message-Id:Date:To:Feedback-ID; bh=TmToz5s8BMe9mMbj/is6+ZvpCoBtQB4dEkM/vhnqMdw=; b=SAeBW2yY8ncJFmeVzR6Epv4nFRl4+dLbYx7WwyXUdfERM6sFmvARrR/ZAtwEpyE1 sWARWMWbqk3GyXWccvKA4e9QI+MeepDrE47H1PxKsYey47eVnCEiKPzc9WurIZwZF1U lb5FO0/WkzqNjbH15cGl/DvaJGj4V+L0U1ntj+gs= From: Kent Watsen Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E060EE03-49D2-4033-8E6A-9D79BBC98B61" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Message-ID: <010001763f5649c9-e5fe8654-dc68-4a39-bbfb-b022e2f58242-000000@email.amazonses.com> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 22:33:08 +0000 To: "netmod@ietf.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.12.07-54.240.8.33 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-06 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2020 22:33:15 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_E060EE03-49D2-4033-8E6A-9D79BBC98B61 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-06 = Please voice your support or technical objections on list before the end = of December 21, any time zone. Thank you! NETMOD Chairs --Apple-Mail=_E060EE03-49D2-4033-8E6A-9D79BBC98B61 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

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Mon, 7 Dec 2020 22:33:11 +0000 From: Lou Berger To: NETMOD Group Cc: NetMod WG Chairs References: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 17:33:07 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.5.1 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Originating-IP: [100.15.105.234] X-ClientProxiedBy: MN2PR16CA0018.namprd16.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:208:134::31) To BL0PR14MB3779.namprd14.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:208:1c7::24) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-MessageSentRepresentingType: 1 Received: from [IPv6:::1] (100.15.105.234) by MN2PR16CA0018.namprd16.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:208:134::31) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.3632.17 via Frontend Transport; Mon, 7 Dec 2020 22:33:11 +0000 X-MS-PublicTrafficType: Email X-MS-Office365-Filtering-Correlation-Id: c0b8f0b0-13b7-45e3-4a0e-08d89b001435 X-MS-TrafficTypeDiagnostic: MN2PR14MB4030: X-Microsoft-Antispam-PRVS: X-MS-Oob-TLC-OOBClassifiers: OLM:7691; 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c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1607380794; h=From:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:To:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:Feedback-ID; bh=3VPWESw0W0KgPMxFkBGQ7j5fy/N8H1B7YB5VZGS6YXY=; b=egWH/1JT1eCH0bE5JxceBoOp4+Jfck2+iVKSzQ/xSyhinS3aJ9W/QaFQPCrX8oN2 iKhb+j08zpK35necesLbqFNpamnLPxDwU/ckYMbAgu4VWsL76tdzuRNm7Ep28BaWQJu 2ODPyk2ZGCUoTKMTQ1T2u5PwVYQ+RjlLNf/LEE8o= From: Kent Watsen Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_559FA4C2-6F20-493A-BCDC-41EFAC8A8040" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 22:39:53 +0000 References: <24cf37e7-bd2e-8ffe-d062-cf7bfbce6d2d@labn.net> <01000175f7578c79-564788c9-19ef-49f7-a6a1-f2dd7dd2bb8c-000000@email.amazonses.com> <010001763f51be69-e02919f1-e431-4600-93d5-24e34a54b775-000000@email.amazonses.com> To: "netmod@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: <010001763f51be69-e02919f1-e431-4600-93d5-24e34a54b775-000000@email.amazonses.com> Message-ID: <010001763f5c7952-e9c5e4dc-5b61-4d4a-8d60-880de4288cd7-000000@email.amazonses.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.12.07-54.240.48.93 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Regarding IPR on draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-06 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2020 22:39:57 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_559FA4C2-6F20-493A-BCDC-41EFAC8A8040 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Correction. Some authors replied: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft=E2=80=9D.= While others replied: "No, I'm not aware of any non-disclosed IPR that applies to this = draft." K. > On Dec 7, 2020, at 5:28 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: >=20 > Thank you, authors. >=20 > All authors responded with "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies = to this draft=E2=80=9D. >=20 > Kent (as co-chair) >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Nov 23, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Kent Watsen > wrote: >>=20 >> Authors, >>=20 >> Per the 109 session, it is the chairs intent to do another adoption = call on the "yang-node-tags=E2=80=9D draft. In preparation for that, = we=E2=80=99ve determined both that the draft has changed significantly = and that there is a new author, and therefore feel it necessary to issue = another IPR call, as follows: >>=20 >>=20 >> Authors, Contributors, WG, >>=20 >> As part of preparation for WG Adoption: >>=20 >> Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? >>=20 >> Please state either: >>=20 >> "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" >> or >> "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" >>=20 >> If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules >> (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? >>=20 >> If yes to the above, please state either: >>=20 >> "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" >> or >> "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" >>=20 >> If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think >> appropriate. >>=20 >> We note that all DT members are listed as contributors. If you >> contributed to the document please respond. Alternatively, please = feel >> free to state that you didn't materially contribute to the draft and >> would like your name removed from the contribution section (and moved = to >> acknowledgments after WG adoption). >>=20 >> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer = the >> above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you = are >> aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next >> stage until a response has been received from each author. >>=20 >> NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. >>=20 >> If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not = listed >> as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under >> the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are >> aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from >> participating in any contribution or discussion related to your >> undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed = above >> and >> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty = . >>=20 >> Thank you, >> NETMOD WG Chairs >>=20 >> PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your >> response. >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> netmod mailing list >> netmod@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod --Apple-Mail=_559FA4C2-6F20-493A-BCDC-41EFAC8A8040 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Correction.

Some authors replied:

= "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this = draft=E2=80=9D.

While others replied:

"No, I'm not aware of any = non-disclosed IPR that applies to this draft."

K.


On Dec 7, 2020, at 5:28 PM, Kent Watsen = <kent+ietf@watsen.net> wrote:

Thank you, = authors.

All authors = responded with "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this = draft=E2=80=9D.

Kent (as = co-chair)



On Nov 23, 2020, at 6:01 PM, = Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net> wrote:

Authors,

Per the 109 session, it = is the chairs intent to do another adoption call on the = "yang-node-tags=E2=80=9D draft.  In preparation for that, we=E2=80=99= ve determined both that the draft has changed significantly and that = there is a new author, and therefore feel it necessary to issue another = IPR call, as follows:


Authors,= Contributors, WG,

As part of preparation = for WG Adoption:

Are you aware of any IPR = that applies to drafts identified above?

Please state either:

"No, I'm = not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in = compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3669, 5378 and = 8179 for more details)?

If yes to the = above, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR = has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"
or
"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you = think
appropriate.

We note = that all DT members are listed as contributors.  If you
contributed to the document please respond. =  Alternatively, please feel
free to state that you = didn't materially contribute to the draft and
would like = your name removed from the contribution section (and moved to
acknowledgments after WG adoption).

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please = answer the
above by responding to this email regardless of = whether or not you are
aware of any relevant IPR. This = document will not advance to the next
stage until a = response has been received from each author.

NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO = LINES.

If you are on the WG email list or = attend WG meetings but are not listed
as an author or = contributor, we remind you of your obligations under
the = IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are
aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain = from
participating in any contribution or discussion = related to your
undisclosed IPR. For more information, = please see the RFCs listed above
and
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualPro= perty.

Thank you,
NETMOD = WG Chairs

PS Please include all listed in = the headers of this message in your
response.

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netmod@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod

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= --Apple-Mail=_559FA4C2-6F20-493A-BCDC-41EFAC8A8040-- From nobody Mon Dec 7 14:46:35 2020 Return-Path: <010001763f62877e-4774d835-0a54-4540-ac51-813db73b034f-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD733A0C00 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2020 14:46:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.906 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.906 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZP-ydKbZJrwh for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2020 14:46:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from a48-94.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a48-94.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.48.94]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1992D3A0BFC for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2020 14:46:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=224i4yxa5dv7c2xz3womw6peuasteono; d=amazonses.com; t=1607381190; h=From:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:To:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:Feedback-ID; bh=V/rGdq1asMIGj8iDszWcNJhf8ph88rfDgafz/+7yoVM=; b=AeR7IpoBDAFWFsNcEi+P+Nbi2ExFJJLeiooVQQ370v3KV7ND7kJXReVN2j+J9gAZ s0h8v3XqlNDnLOAI9Pb6w+saWn+1Hd0Zkwm9heIzbvZkygrtr1C2BEO46OIIHUxlFU6 31J2J+EVO0D+Anlp4PilezXBKsSzMZjL5VyXfDlQ= From: Kent Watsen Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_52CD33BC-1A6F-449A-BB3F-BAF18216EDEC" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 22:46:30 +0000 References: <010001763f5649c9-e5fe8654-dc68-4a39-bbfb-b022e2f58242-000000@email.amazonses.com> To: "netmod@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: <010001763f5649c9-e5fe8654-dc68-4a39-bbfb-b022e2f58242-000000@email.amazonses.com> Message-ID: <010001763f62877e-4774d835-0a54-4540-ac51-813db73b034f-000000@email.amazonses.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.12.07-54.240.48.94 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-06 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2020 22:46:34 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_52CD33BC-1A6F-449A-BB3F-BAF18216EDEC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii FYI, this is the second adoption call (the first was in July). =20 According to the IPR search page [1], there is one IPR disclosed, [2]. [1] = https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-tao-net= mod-yang-node-tags = [2] https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/4216/ = NETMOD Chairs > On Dec 7, 2020, at 5:33 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: >=20 > This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: >=20 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-06 = >=20 > Please voice your support or technical objections on list before the = end of December 21, any time zone. >=20 > Thank you! >=20 > NETMOD Chairs >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod --Apple-Mail=_52CD33BC-1A6F-449A-BB3F-BAF18216EDEC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii FYI, = this is the second adoption call (the first was in July).  

According = to the IPR search page [1], there is one IPR disclosed, [2].

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3D= draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags
[2] https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/4216/

NETMOD Chairs



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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Cheers, Igor Get Outlook for Android ________________________________ From: Lou Berger Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 5:19:34 PM To: Qin Wu ; Igor Bryskin ; Henk B= irkholz ; Xufeng Liu ; Benoit Claise Cc: NetMod WG Chairs ; NetMod WG Subject: Fwd: Regarding IPR on draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 Authors, My apologies -- I failed to cc the WG on this. Can you please re-reply= so that your response make it into the WG archive. Thank you! Lou -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Regarding IPR on draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 18:08:59 -0500 From: Lou Berger To: Qin Wu , Igor Bryski= n , Henk Birkholz , Xufeng L= iu , Benoit Cl= aise CC: NetMod WG Chairs Authors, Per the 109 session, it is the chairs intent to do another adoption call on= this draft. In preparation for that, we=92ve determined both that the draf= t has changed significantly and that there is a new author, and therefore f= eel it necessary to issue another IPR call, as follows: Authors, Contributors, WG, As part of preparation for WG Adoption: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate. We note that all DT members are listed as contributors. If you contributed to the document please respond. Alternatively, please feel free to state that you didn't materially contribute to the draft and would like your name removed from the contribution section (and moved to acknowledgments after WG adoption). If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. Thank you, NETMOD WG Chairs PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your response. --_000_BL0PR01MB4370CBCE7729C72BB166DC60A0CE0BL0PR01MB4370prod_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.

Cheers,
Igor

From: Lou Berger <lberge= r@labn.net>
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 5:19:34 PM
To: Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com>; Igor Bryskin <i_bryskin@ya= hoo.com>; Henk Birkholz <henk.birkholz@sit.fraunhofer.de>; Xufeng = Liu <xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com>; Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com&= gt;
Cc: NetMod WG Chairs <netmod-chairs@ietf.org>; NetMod WG <n= etmod@ietf.org>
Subject: Fwd: Regarding IPR on draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10
 

Authors,

    My apologies -- I failed to cc the WG on this.  = Can you please re-reply so that your response make it into the WG archive.<= /p>

Thank you!

Lou


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Regarding IPR on draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 18:08:59 -0500
From: Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>
To: Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com>, Igor Bryskin &l= t;i_bryskin@yahoo.com>, Henk Birkholz <henk.birkholz@sit.fraunhofer.de>, Xufeng Liu <xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com>, Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com>
CC: NetMod WG Chairs <netmod-chairs@ietf.org>


Authors,

Per the 109 session, it is the chairs intent to do another adoption call on= this draft. In preparation for that, we=92ve determined both that the draf= t has changed significantly and that there is a new author, and therefore f= eel it necessary to issue another IPR call, as follows:


Authors, Contributors, WG,

As part of preparation for WG Adoption:

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above?

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules&quo= t;
or
"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think
appropriate.

We note that all DT members are listed as contributors. If you
contributed to the document please respond. Alternatively, please feel
free to state that you didn't materially contribute to the draft and
would like your name removed from the contribution section (and moved to acknowledgments after WG adoption).

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the
above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are
aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next
stage until a response has been received from each author.

NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES.

If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under
the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are
aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from
participating in any contribution or discussion related to your
undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above
and
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/ie= sg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty.

Thank you,
NETMOD WG Chairs

PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your
response.

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Support as a coauthor.=

 

-Qin=

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: netmod [mailto= :netmod-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED Kent Watsen
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4:<= /span> 2020=C4=EA12=D4=C28=C8=D5 6:33
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: netmod@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-06<= /span>

 

This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for:

 


Please voice your support or technical objections on list before the end of= December 21, any time zone.

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Hi all

     I support the adoption as a coauthor.

Best= Regards
Zongpeng Du
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duzongpeng@foxmail.com & duzongpeng@chinamobile.com
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From: = ;Kent Watsen
Date= : 2020-12-08 06:33
Subject: [ne= tmod] Adoption poll for draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-06
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This ema= il begins a 2-week adoption poll for:


https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tao-netmo= d-yang-node-tags-06

Please voice your support or = technical objections on list before the end of December 21, any time zone.=

Thank you!

NETMOD Chairs


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Hi, all

 

Yes, I support the adoption.

 

 

Qiufang Ma

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8= =CB: netmod [mailto:netmod-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED Kent Watsen
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2020=C4=EA12=D4=C28=C8=D5 6:33
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: netmod@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: [netmod] Adoption poll for= draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-06

 

Th= is email begins a 2-week adoption poll for:

 


Please voice your support or technical objections on list before the end of= December 21, any time zone.

Thank you!

NETMOD Chairs

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As a contributor: No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft Cheers --- Alex From: netmod On Behalf Of Igor Bryskin Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 3:02 PM To: Qin Wu ; Henk Birkholz ; Xufeng Liu ; Benoit Claise ; Lou Berger Cc: NetMod WG Chairs ; NetMod WG Subject: Re: [netmod] Regarding IPR on draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Cheers, Igor Get Outlook for Android ________________________________ From: Lou Berger > Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 5:19:34 PM To: Qin Wu >; Igor Bryskin >; Henk Birkholz >; Xufeng Liu <= xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com>; Benoit Claise= > Cc: NetMod WG Chairs = >; NetMod WG > Subject: Fwd: Regarding IPR on draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 Authors, My apologies -- I failed to cc the WG on this. Can you please re-reply= so that your response make it into the WG archive. Thank you! Lou -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Regarding IPR on draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 18:08:59 -0500 From: Lou Berger To: Qin Wu , Igor Bryskin , Henk Birkholz , Xufeng Liu , Benoit Claise CC: NetMod WG Chairs Authors, Per the 109 session, it is the chairs intent to do another adoption call on= this draft. In preparation for that, we've determined both that the draft = has changed significantly and that there is a new author, and therefore fee= l it necessary to issue another IPR call, as follows: Authors, Contributors, WG, As part of preparation for WG Adoption: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate. We note that all DT members are listed as contributors. If you contributed to the document please respond. Alternatively, please feel free to state that you didn't materially contribute to the draft and would like your name removed from the contribution section (and moved to acknowledgments after WG adoption). If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. Thank you, NETMOD WG Chairs PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your response. --_000_BY5PR13MB37939A0BE701E14CD3765E64DBCD0BY5PR13MB3793namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As a contributor:

No, I’m not aware of any IPR that applies to t= his draft

Cheers

--- Alex

 

From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> = On Behalf Of Igor Bryskin
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 3:02 PM
To: Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com>; Henk Birkholz <henk.birkho= lz@sit.fraunhofer.de>; Xufeng Liu <xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com>; Ben= oit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com>; Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net> Cc: NetMod WG Chairs <netmod-chairs@ietf.org>; NetMod WG <n= etmod@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [netmod] Regarding IPR on draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-1= 0

 

No, I'm not aware of any IP= R that applies to this draft.

Cheers,

Igor

From: Lou Berger <= lberger@labn.net>
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 5:19:34 PM
To: Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.= com>; Igor Bryskin <i_brys= kin@yahoo.com>; Henk Birkholz <henk.birkholz@sit.fraunhofer.de>; Xufeng Liu <xufeng.liu.iet= f@gmail.com>; Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com>
Cc: NetMod WG Chairs <n= etmod-chairs@ietf.org>; NetMod WG <netmod@ietf.org>
Subject: Fwd: Regarding IPR on draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10=

 

Authors,

    My apologies -- I failed to cc the WG on this.  = Can you please re-reply so that your response make it into the WG archive.<= o:p>

Thank you!

Lou


-------- Forwarded Message --------

Subjec= t:

Regarding IPR on draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10=

Date: =

Mon, 23 Nov 2020 18:08:59 -0500

From: =

Lou Berger <l= berger@labn.net>

To:

Qin Wu <bil= l.wu@huawei.com>, Igor Bryskin <i_bryskin@yahoo.com>, Hen= k Birkholz <henk.birkholz@sit.fraunhofer.de>, Xufeng Liu <xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com>, Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com>

CC:

NetMod WG Chairs <netmod-chairs@ietf.org>



Authors,

Per the 109 session, it is the chairs intent to do another adoption call on= this draft. In preparation for that, we’ve determined both that the = draft has changed significantly and that there is a new author, and therefo= re feel it necessary to issue another IPR call, as follows:


Authors, Contributors, WG,

As part of preparation for WG Adoption:

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above?

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules&quo= t;
or
"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think
appropriate.

We note that all DT members are listed as contributors. If you
contributed to the document please respond. Alternatively, please feel
free to state that you didn't materially contribute to the draft and
would like your name removed from the contribution section (and moved to acknowledgments after WG adoption).

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the
above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are
aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next
stage until a response has been received from each author.

NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES.

If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under
the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are
aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from
participating in any contribution or discussion related to your
undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above
and
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/Intellect= ualProperty.

Thank you,
NETMOD WG Chairs

PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your
response.

--_000_BY5PR13MB37939A0BE701E14CD3765E64DBCD0BY5PR13MB3793namp_-- From nobody Tue Dec 8 01:02:48 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C67EE3A0332; Tue, 8 Dec 2020 01:02:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UyY_ZBaDCQyq; Tue, 8 Dec 2020 01:02:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 455DE3A02BC; Tue, 8 Dec 2020 01:02:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.117] (213-67-237-150-no99.tbcn.telia.com [213.67.237.150]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7B7E41AE034F; Tue, 8 Dec 2020 10:02:42 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) From: Jan Lindblad In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 10:02:42 +0100 Cc: NETMOD Group , NetMod WG Chairs Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Lou Berger X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2020 09:02:47 -0000 I support adoption. /jan > On 7 Dec 2020, at 23:27, Lou Berger wrote: >=20 > This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: >=20 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 >=20 > Please voice your support or technical objections on list before the = end of December 21, any time zone. >=20 > Thank you! >=20 > Netmod Chairs >=20 > PS Note the IPR poll is running concurrently as the private response = all indicated that no IPR exists. The draft will not be formally = adopted until both the IPR and WG polls are complete. >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod From nobody Tue Dec 8 02:50:55 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D6243A0B12; Tue, 8 Dec 2020 02:50:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Gz8k5L-eVOSh; Tue, 8 Dec 2020 02:50:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta5.iomartmail.com (mta5.iomartmail.com [62.128.193.155]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C62AE3A0B10; Tue, 8 Dec 2020 02:50:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from vs2.iomartmail.com (vs2.iomartmail.com [10.12.10.123]) by mta5.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 0B8AomjD003416; Tue, 8 Dec 2020 10:50:48 GMT Received: from vs2.iomartmail.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by IMSVA (Postfix) with ESMTP id 470F522042; Tue, 8 Dec 2020 10:50:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (unknown [10.12.10.249]) by vs2.iomartmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31C1922044; Tue, 8 Dec 2020 10:50:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LAPTOPK7AS653V ([87.113.187.83]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 0B8Aol7f001049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 8 Dec 2020 10:50:47 GMT Reply-To: From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Lou Berger'" , "'NETMOD Group'" Cc: "'NetMod WG Chairs'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 10:50:45 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting Message-ID: <0da601d6cd4f$fbd09670$f371c350$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQH4G/XlI09SZDOTPNsp3ELVxZOuwqmqUI1w Content-Language: en-gb X-Originating-IP: 87.113.187.83 X-Thinkmail-Auth: adrian@olddog.co.uk X-TM-AS-GCONF: 00 X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.0.1013-25836.006 X-TM-AS-Result: No--10.203-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--10.203-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-Version: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.1013-25836.006 X-TMASE-Result: 10--10.202500-10.000000 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: Kx0w2sAofbvxIbpQ8BhdbDjNGpWCIvfTqb3/o5s+OcOPhvazUWsatQHv Yyr9Z+5lpXgeUFMvSJ3P3TiyRBf1B7otpw4iUQe/9FQh3flUIh5kAa0IkTbdiEoPLn6eZ90+SNh uPi0fpNsCDWQoRBOiAH51AVY7lK9A3kog9eECMUiWsa/6SdAOX+ij4gV9rSNIfusSL5nG/xoTBr T5FMhW3Yid7a5unrYOgDBd7zThxB9AAX2R6mCHjAPZZctd3P4BQ5p+5M7kriltgXN8SPjcGI8YF BHnSbTTZRcP7LSftg5Yo3G+rvxrNWc0p9hB1ofNnxvPm4vv97z3BfGeW4qde2NDqjXOO0Yeg+8f EGAZccxBOIGTmgbNCrlnHTJVlJ1jafFVMpfEiu3M1jffIgQXhi0ehjZK4PMdYOy4ZpFChjblJK3 4kJ50hAaytMVAgE1VbncztPPsTqtH8uspfue18CbYLZ9HZ74HZG3SCLP7QtLLN5nQQXYmEgcslY po5iSTnTTRT+smRTY3hH9FVqz6aEMFZd6pY/9Yh6L+ZkJhXC72hUAowGKip71gKnoSEcZmKoyU9 1Ofijn/dYJlY1WuYmivLll7h+Hdv1l2Uvx6idpTptoDfp6JrMRB0bsfrpPIfiAqrjYtFiS/59et 8WhgjvuWq74pnUpAVddewi1KInDX0Ll4LSeV137cGd19dSFd X-TMASE-SNAP-Result: 1.821001.0001-0-1-12:0,22:0,33:0,34:0-0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2020 10:50:54 -0000 Hi, I have generally been sceptical about Intention-based network operations = within the IETF, and I was ambivalent about this document at the first = adoption poll.=20 However, I think that some good work has been done since then and the = document has reached a level where the WG could adopt it and further = refine it. There is clearly a body of people who want to work on it, and = it seems to be within the WG scope, so I support adoption. I also think that splitting this piece off the larger body of = Intention-based work is a wise first step. Here are a few comments for the authors based on a quick reading... Abstract. I appreciate the brevity of the Abstract, but I don't find it very = clear. Specifically, what is "the server" and what role would it play = absent this YANG model? Conversely, who/what is delegating some of the = network management functions? And lastly, is the choice of which network = management functions to delegate well known (I assume it is) or up to an = implementation? --- Introduction The first mention of "ECA" comes in... This document defines an ECA Policy management YANG data model. I think you need to: - Expand the abbreviation - Explain in one or two sentences what ECA is --- Section 2.1 You need to update to the more recent boilerplate that mentions RFC 8174 --- Section 2.1 You use the term "Event Stream" without defining it Cheers, Adrian -----Original Message----- From: netmod On Behalf Of Lou Berger Sent: 07 December 2020 22:28 To: NETMOD Group Cc: NetMod WG Chairs Subject: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 Please voice your support or technical objections on list before the end = of December 21, any time zone. Thank you! Netmod Chairs PS Note the IPR poll is running concurrently as the private response all = indicated that no IPR exists. 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Thanks, - Xufeng On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 9:46 PM Alexander Clemm wrote: > As a contributor: > > No, I=E2=80=99m not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft > > Cheers > > --- Alex > > > > *From:* netmod *On Behalf Of *Igor Bryskin > *Sent:* Monday, December 7, 2020 3:02 PM > *To:* Qin Wu ; Henk Birkholz < > henk.birkholz@sit.fraunhofer.de>; Xufeng Liu ; > Benoit Claise ; Lou Berger > *Cc:* NetMod WG Chairs ; NetMod WG < > netmod@ietf.org> > *Subject:* Re: [netmod] Regarding IPR on draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 > > > > No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. > > Cheers, > > Igor > > Get Outlook for Android > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Lou Berger > *Sent:* Monday, December 7, 2020 5:19:34 PM > *To:* Qin Wu ; Igor Bryskin ; > Henk Birkholz ; Xufeng Liu < > xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com>; Benoit Claise > *Cc:* NetMod WG Chairs ; NetMod WG < > netmod@ietf.org> > *Subject:* Fwd: Regarding IPR on draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 > > > > Authors, > > My apologies -- I failed to cc the WG on this. Can you please > re-reply so that your response make it into the WG archive. > > Thank you! > > Lou > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > *Subject: * > > Regarding IPR on draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 > > *Date: * > > Mon, 23 Nov 2020 18:08:59 -0500 > > *From: * > > Lou Berger > > *To: * > > Qin Wu , Igor Bryskin > , Henk Birkholz > , > Xufeng Liu , > Benoit Claise > > *CC: * > > NetMod WG Chairs > > > > Authors, > > Per the 109 session, it is the chairs intent to do another adoption call > on this draft. In preparation for that, we=E2=80=99ve determined both tha= t the > draft has changed significantly and that there is a new author, and > therefore feel it necessary to issue another IPR call, as follows: > > > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of preparation for WG Adoption: > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. > > We note that all DT members are listed as contributors. If you > contributed to the document please respond. Alternatively, please feel > free to state that you didn't materially contribute to the draft and > would like your name removed from the contribution section (and moved to > acknowledgments after WG adoption). > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next > stage until a response has been received from each author. > > NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. > > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from > participating in any contribution or discussion related to your > undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above > and > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty > > . > > Thank you, > NETMOD WG Chairs > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > response. > --000000000000e01d7605b5ff17f8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No, I'm not aware of any IPR that app= lies to this draft.
Thanks,
- Xufeng

On Mon, Dec 7, = 2020 at 9:46 PM Alexander Clemm <a= lex@futurewei.com> wrote:

As a contributor:

No, I=E2=80=99m not aware of any IPR that applies to= this draft

Cheers

--- Alex

=C2=A0

From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> On Beha= lf Of Igor Bryskin
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 3:02 PM
To: Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com>; Henk Birkholz <henk.birkholz@sit.fraunhofer.de<= /a>>; Xufeng Liu <xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com>; Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com>; Lou= Berger <lberger@l= abn.net>
Cc: NetMod WG Chairs <netmod-chairs@ietf.org>; NetMod WG <netmod@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [netmod] Regarding IPR on draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-1= 0

=C2=A0

No, I'm not aware of any = IPR that applies to this draft.

Cheers,

Igor

From: Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 5:19:34 PM
To: Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com>; Igor Bryskin <i_bryskin@yahoo.com>; Henk Birkholz &l= t;henk= .birkholz@sit.fraunhofer.de>; Xufeng Liu <xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com>; Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com>
Cc: NetMod WG Chairs <netmod-chairs@ietf.org>; NetMod WG <netmod@ietf.org>
Subject: Fwd: Regarding IPR on draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10=

=C2=A0

Authors,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 My apologies -- I failed to cc the WG on this.=C2=A0 = Can you please re-reply so that your response make it into the WG archive.<= u>

Thank you!

Lou


-------- Forwarded Message --------

Subjec= t:

Regarding IPR on draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10

Date: =

Mon, 23 Nov 2020 18:08:59 -0500

From: =

Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>

To:

Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com>, Igor Bryskin <i_bryskin@yaho= o.com>, Henk Birkholz <henk.birkholz@sit.fraunhofer.de>, Xufeng Liu <xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com>, Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com>

CC:

NetMod WG Chairs <netmod-chairs@ietf.org>



Authors,

Per the 109 session, it is the chairs intent to do another adoption call on= this draft. In preparation for that, we=E2=80=99ve determined both that th= e draft has changed significantly and that there is a new author, and there= fore feel it necessary to issue another IPR call, as follows:


Authors, Contributors, WG,

As part of preparation for WG Adoption:

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above?

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules&quo= t;
or
"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think
appropriate.

We note that all DT members are listed as contributors. If you
contributed to the document please respond. Alternatively, please feel
free to state that you didn't materially contribute to the draft and would like your name removed from the contribution section (and moved to acknowledgments after WG adoption).

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the
above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are
aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next
stage until a response has been received from each author.

NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES.

If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under
the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are
aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from
participating in any contribution or discussion related to your
undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above
and
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/t= rac/wiki/IntellectualProperty.

Thank you,
NETMOD WG Chairs

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Best regards
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Date: Tue, De= c 8, 2020 06:27 AM
To: "NETMOD Group"<netmod@ietf= .org>;
Cc: "NetMod WG Chairs"<netmod-chai= rs@ietf.org>;
Subject: [netmod] Adoption pol= l for draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10

This email = begins a 2-week adoption poll for:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draf= t-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10

Please voice your support or technical o= bjections on list before the end
of December 21, any time zone.
Thank you!

Netmod Chairs

PS Note the IPR poll is running co= ncurrently as the private response all
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Hi all,

 

Enclosed are the materials for = the Virtual Interim on Monday.  Have a good weekend!=

 

Rgds,

Jason

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charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Materials for NETMOD Virtual Interim meeting (Monday) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2020 21:02:39 -0000 It may help to add a slide explaining the purpose YANG module checksums have. In the packages I-D, there is an explanation what package checksums are good for, but I have not found an explanation why YANG module checksums are useful to have. If the checksum is specific to a certain location (i.e., its scoped to the location), then there is no need to have a universal checksum for a YANG module. But it anyway, it would help to understand that the purpose of the checksum is. /js On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 07:17:22PM +0000, Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) wrote: > Hi all, > > Enclosed are the materials for the Virtual Interim on Monday. Have a good weekend! > > Rgds, > Jason > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Sat Dec 12 05:47:26 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D84A3A1107 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 05:47:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kpx8BoGsVmAm for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 05:47:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from atlas5.jacobs-university.de (atlas5.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C0EF33A1105 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 05:47:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas5.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56124821; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 14:47:19 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas5.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.198]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id colBSkrLzL8B; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 14:47:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "DFN-Verein Global Issuing CA" (verified OK)) by atlas5.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 14:47:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDB3520156; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 14:47:18 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10028) with ESMTP id F00aZVDtN17z; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 14:47:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.218.117]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14B9B20154; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 14:47:18 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 14:47:17 +0100 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: "Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" Cc: "netmod@ietf.org" Message-ID: <20201212134717.z7dwqkf3tasxtvmn@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Mail-Followup-To: "Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" , "netmod@ietf.org" References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Materials for NETMOD Virtual Interim meeting (Monday) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 13:47:24 -0000 If module A imports from module B, then the question whether a change in module B is compatible or not for module A is answered by what module A actually uses of module B's definitions. The question is not answered by module B's version number. The maintainer of module B can't tell whether her change breaks module A without knowing A. And the maintainer of A can't predict how module B will change in the future. As a consequence, the maintainer of A cannot realiably decide whether revision-or-derived or revision-or-derived-compatible is the right choice. The author of A has to _guess_, having more options to guess may help, or it may not. My point is that it is always a guess. The maintainer of module B may be acting in a conservative way and bumping major numbers frequently (and many times not affecting module A) or maintainer B may be lenient - and B's decision may be influenced by how central module B is, the more modules depend on B, the higher the pressure to not bump the major version number of B and to either avoid non-backwards compatible changes or to label them as compatible (even though it is possible they are not). In some realities, you end up with a need for more complex expressions over the version number space to define which versions are known to work together. And this information is often maintained _outside_ the code artifacts (one advantage being that this makes dependency updates possible without having to touch the files with the definitions). Some examples: https://doc.rust-lang.org/cargo/reference/specifying-dependencies.html https://cabal.readthedocs.io/en/latest/developing-packages.html#modules-imported-from-other-packages https://semver.npmjs.com/ Given these examples, one can ask whether decorating the YANG import statement with 'inline' versioning constraints is actually the right way to go. Perhaps dependency constraints are better managed outside. /js On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 07:17:22PM +0000, Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) wrote: > Hi all, > > Enclosed are the materials for the Virtual Interim on Monday. 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The question is not > answered by module B's version number. > > The maintainer of module B can't tell whether her change breaks module > A without knowing A. And the maintainer of A can't predict how module > B will change in the future. As a consequence, the maintainer of A > cannot realiably decide whether revision-or-derived or > revision-or-derived-compatible is the right choice. The author of A > has to _guess_, having more options to guess may help, or it may > not. My point is that it is always a guess. > > It seems that SEMVER is a choice between a version that is not granular enough to be useful, and a version that is granular enough, but now there are so many versioned items that the system is unmanageable. Taken to its logical extreme, every construct would need a semver and every import would need to be at the granularity of 1 identifier. The owner of module A can only update/fix the import of B after the owner of B has finished breaking backward compatibility (or not). This only invalidates the utility of the upper bound of semver, e.g., the newest version of B that can be imported by A. The fatal flaw in YANG imports has always been that import EXACT version is too fragile to be useful. When module A is written, the author knows the MINIMUM VERSION of B that can be imported, yet YANG has no way to express that. For BC changes (which are the vast majority) this is sufficient. Please just fix that. Andy The maintainer of module B may be acting in a conservative way and > bumping major numbers frequently (and many times not affecting module > A) or maintainer B may be lenient - and B's decision may be influenced > by how central module B is, the more modules depend on B, the higher > the pressure to not bump the major version number of B and to either > avoid non-backwards compatible changes or to label them as compatible > (even though it is possible they are not). > > In some realities, you end up with a need for more complex expressions > over the version number space to define which versions are known to > work together. And this information is often maintained _outside_ the > code artifacts (one advantage being that this makes dependency updates > possible without having to touch the files with the definitions). Some > examples: > > https://doc.rust-lang.org/cargo/reference/specifying-dependencies.html > > > https://cabal.readthedocs.io/en/latest/developing-packages.html#modules-imported-from-other-packages > > https://semver.npmjs.com/ > > Given these examples, one can ask whether decorating the YANG import > statement with 'inline' versioning constraints is actually the right > way to go. Perhaps dependency constraints are better managed outside. > > /js > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 07:17:22PM +0000, Sterne, Jason (Nokia - > CA/Ottawa) wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Enclosed are the materials for the Virtual Interim on Monday. Have a > good weekend! > > > > Rgds, > > Jason > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > netmod mailing list > > netmod@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > --000000000000e20c0e05b6463463 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 5:47 AM Juerg= en Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote:
If module A imports from module B, th= en the question whether a change
in module B is compatible or not for module A is answered by what
module A actually uses of module B's definitions. The question is not answered by module B's version number.

The maintainer of module B can't tell whether her change breaks module<= br> A without knowing A. And the maintainer of A can't predict how module B will change in the future. As a consequence, the maintainer of A
cannot realiably decide whether revision-or-derived or
revision-or-derived-compatible is the right choice. The author of A
has to _guess_, having more options to guess may help, or it may
not. My point is that it is always a guess.



It seems that SEMVER is= a choice between a version that is not granular enough
to be use= ful, and a version that is granular enough, but now there are so many
=
versioned=C2=A0items that the system is unmanageable.=C2=A0
=
Taken to its logical extreme, every construct would need a s= emver and every
import would need to be at the granularity of 1 i= dentifier.

The owner of module A can only update/f= ix the import of B after
the owner of B has finished breaking bac= kward compatibility (or not).

This only invalidate= s the utility of the upper bound of semver,
e.g., the newest vers= ion of B that can be imported by A.

The fatal flaw= in YANG imports has always been that import EXACT version
is too= fragile to be useful.=C2=A0 When module A is written, the author knows
the MINIMUM VERSION of B that can be imported, yet YANG has no way t= o express that.
For BC changes (which are the vast majority) this= is sufficient.
Please just fix that.

Andy


The maintainer of module B may be acting in a conservative way and
bumping major numbers frequently (and many times not affecting module
A) or maintainer B may be lenient - and B's decision may be influenced<= br> by how central module B is, the more modules depend on B, the higher
the pressure to not bump the major version number of B and to either
avoid non-backwards compatible changes or to label them as compatible
(even though it is possible they are not).

In some realities, you end up with a need for more complex expressions
over the version number space to define which versions are known to
work together. And this information is often maintained _outside_ the
code artifacts (one advantage being that this makes dependency updates
possible without having to touch the files with the definitions). Some
examples:

https://doc.rust-lang.org/carg= o/reference/specifying-dependencies.html

= https://cabal.readthedocs.io/en/latest/developing-packages.html#modules-imp= orted-from-other-packages

= https://semver.npmjs.com/

Given these examples, one can ask whether decorating the YANG import
statement with 'inline' versioning constraints is actually the righ= t
way to go. Perhaps dependency constraints are better managed outside.

/js

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 07:17:22PM +0000, Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)= wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Enclosed are the materials for the Virtual Interim on Monday.=C2=A0 Ha= ve a good weekend!
>
> Rgds,
> Jason



> _______________________________________________
> netmod mailing list
> netmod@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod

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What you describe below is spot on and IMO is the r= eason why we have been going round in circles on this topic. We haven=E2=80=99= t discussed specifying the version import constraints outside of the modules= , but we should consider this approach (packages?). Regards, Reshad. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 12, 2020, at 8:47 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFIf module A imports from module B, then the question whether a ch= ange > in module B is compatible or not for module A is answered by what > module A actually uses of module B's definitions. The question is not > answered by module B's version number. >=20 > The maintainer of module B can't tell whether her change breaks module > A without knowing A. And the maintainer of A can't predict how module > B will change in the future. As a consequence, the maintainer of A > cannot realiably decide whether revision-or-derived or > revision-or-derived-compatible is the right choice. The author of A > has to _guess_, having more options to guess may help, or it may > not. My point is that it is always a guess. >=20 > The maintainer of module B may be acting in a conservative way and > bumping major numbers frequently (and many times not affecting module > A) or maintainer B may be lenient - and B's decision may be influenced > by how central module B is, the more modules depend on B, the higher > the pressure to not bump the major version number of B and to either > avoid non-backwards compatible changes or to label them as compatible > (even though it is possible they are not). >=20 > In some realities, you end up with a need for more complex expressions > over the version number space to define which versions are known to > work together. And this information is often maintained _outside_ the > code artifacts (one advantage being that this makes dependency updates > possible without having to touch the files with the definitions). Some > examples: >=20 > https://doc.rust-lang.org/cargo/reference/specifying-dependencies.html >=20 > https://cabal.readthedocs.io/en/latest/developing-packages.html#modules-im= ported-from-other-packages >=20 > https://semver.npmjs.com/ >=20 > Given these examples, one can ask whether decorating the YANG import > statement with 'inline' versioning constraints is actually the right > way to go. Perhaps dependency constraints are better managed outside. >=20 > /js >=20 >> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 07:17:22PM +0000, Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottaw= a) wrote: >> Hi all, >>=20 >> Enclosed are the materials for the Virtual Interim on Monday. 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ABdhPJz1bJjkaRVd9PaohaoIH1NRjXVrfKs/9ZQuODeXwFCboLMzNl9BYhanr/PXSDddNTUsFGKyYpDAUHEeeWlBAbA= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:598f:: with SMTP id w15mr2010981lfn.577.1607981442694; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 13:30:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20201212134717.z7dwqkf3tasxtvmn@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> In-Reply-To: From: Andy Bierman Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 13:30:31 -0800 Message-ID: To: "Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" Cc: Juergen Schoenwaelder , "netmod@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b29a9005b6735a5c" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Materials for NETMOD Virtual Interim meeting (Monday) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 21:30:47 -0000 --000000000000b29a9005b6735a5c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 9:17 AM Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) < jason.sterne@nokia.com> wrote: > Hi Andy, > > > > I like the way you phrased it "too fragile to be useful". > > It seems intuitively obvious that determining compatibility with versions that may exist in the future is mostly speculation. Also obvious: there is little benefit writing automation code to determine "X will work" if you still have to write the code to implement X and check for errors. Might as well just try X and determine if it did or did not work. > > I think that's a concern we'd also have with an "or-compatible" version of > import by revision-or-derived. Authors may use it "to be safe" (similar to > how they may want to specify an exact vesion) but it would end up keeping > everything to tightly in lock step. > > > > With just the "revision-or-derived" we would solve the MINIMUM VERSION > problem, but then leave all the other complexities of compatible versions > outside the scope of import statements. (e.g. solve that with information > outside the modules themselves like Packages). > A common use case is for shared data types like ietf-yang-types. If the module uses "hex-string" then the RFC 6991 version must be found or else the RFC 6021 version can be used. I support the extensions for the import-stmt that help the compiler find the right version. Although not a good practice, in this case the "import-without-revision" semantics are not changed if an extension is used to restrict the search for the import. > > > Jason > Andy > > > *From:* Andy Bierman > *Sent:* Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:39 AM > *To:* Juergen Schoenwaelder ; > Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) ; > netmod@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [netmod] Materials for NETMOD Virtual Interim meeting > (Monday) > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 5:47 AM Juergen Schoenwaelder < > j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > > If module A imports from module B, then the question whether a change > in module B is compatible or not for module A is answered by what > module A actually uses of module B's definitions. The question is not > answered by module B's version number. > > The maintainer of module B can't tell whether her change breaks module > A without knowing A. And the maintainer of A can't predict how module > B will change in the future. As a consequence, the maintainer of A > cannot realiably decide whether revision-or-derived or > revision-or-derived-compatible is the right choice. The author of A > has to _guess_, having more options to guess may help, or it may > not. My point is that it is always a guess. > > > > > > It seems that SEMVER is a choice between a version that is not granular > enough > > to be useful, and a version that is granular enough, but now there are so > many > > versioned items that the system is unmanageable. > > > > Taken to its logical extreme, every construct would need a semver and every > > import would need to be at the granularity of 1 identifier. > > > > The owner of module A can only update/fix the import of B after > > the owner of B has finished breaking backward compatibility (or not). > > > > This only invalidates the utility of the upper bound of semver, > > e.g., the newest version of B that can be imported by A. > > > > The fatal flaw in YANG imports has always been that import EXACT version > > is too fragile to be useful. When module A is written, the author knows > > the MINIMUM VERSION of B that can be imported, yet YANG has no way to > express that. > > For BC changes (which are the vast majority) this is sufficient. > > Please just fix that. > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > The maintainer of module B may be acting in a conservative way and > bumping major numbers frequently (and many times not affecting module > A) or maintainer B may be lenient - and B's decision may be influenced > by how central module B is, the more modules depend on B, the higher > the pressure to not bump the major version number of B and to either > avoid non-backwards compatible changes or to label them as compatible > (even though it is possible they are not). > > In some realities, you end up with a need for more complex expressions > over the version number space to define which versions are known to > work together. And this information is often maintained _outside_ the > code artifacts (one advantage being that this makes dependency updates > possible without having to touch the files with the definitions). Some > examples: > > https://doc.rust-lang.org/cargo/reference/specifying-dependencies.html > > > https://cabal.readthedocs.io/en/latest/developing-packages.html#modules-imported-from-other-packages > > https://semver.npmjs.com/ > > Given these examples, one can ask whether decorating the YANG import > statement with 'inline' versioning constraints is actually the right > way to go. Perhaps dependency constraints are better managed outside. > > /js > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 07:17:22PM +0000, Sterne, Jason (Nokia - > CA/Ottawa) wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Enclosed are the materials for the Virtual Interim on Monday. Have a > good weekend! > > > > Rgds, > > Jason > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > netmod mailing list > > netmod@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > --000000000000b29a9005b6735a5c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 9:17 AM Stern= e, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) <= jason.sterne@nokia.com> wrote:

Hi Andy,

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I like the way you phrased it "too fragil= e to be useful".


It seems intuitively obvious that determining compatibilit= y with versions
that may exist in the future is mostly speculatio= n.=C2=A0

Also obvious: there is little benefit wri= ting automation code to determine "X will work" if
you = still have to write the code to implement X and check for errors. Might as = well just try X
and determine if it did or did not work.

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I think that's a concern we'd also hav= e with an "or-compatible" version of import by revision-or-derive= d.=C2=A0 Authors may use it "to be safe" (similar to how they may= want to specify an exact vesion) but it would end up keeping everything to tightly in lock step.<= /u>

=C2=A0

With just the "revision-or-derived" = we would solve the MINIMUM VERSION problem, but then leave all the other co= mplexities of compatible versions outside the scope of import statements.= =C2=A0 (e.g. solve that with information outside the modules themselves like Packages).


A common use case is for = shared data types like ietf-yang-types.
If the module uses "= hex-string" then the RFC 6991 version must be found
or else = the RFC 6021 version can be used.=C2=A0=C2=A0

I su= pport the extensions for the import-stmt that help the compiler find
<= div>the right version.=C2=A0 Although not a good practice, in this case the= "import-without-revision"
semantics are not changed if= an extension is used to restrict the search for the import.

=
=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Jason

=

Andy
=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:39 AM
To: Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>; Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) <jason.sterne@nokia.com>; netmod@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [netmod] Materials for NETMOD Virtual Interim meeting (= Monday)

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 5:47 AM Juergen Schoenwaelde= r <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote:

If module A imports fro= m module B, then the question whether a change
in module B is compatible or not for module A is answered by what
module A actually uses of module B's definitions. The question is not answered by module B's version number.

The maintainer of module B can't tell whether her change breaks module<= br> A without knowing A. And the maintainer of A can't predict how module B will change in the future. As a consequence, the maintainer of A
cannot realiably decide whether revision-or-derived or
revision-or-derived-compatible is the right choice. The author of A
has to _guess_, having more options to guess may help, or it may
not. My point is that it is always a guess.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

It seems that SEMVER is a choice between a version t= hat is not granular enough

to be useful, and a version that is granular enough,= but now there are so many

versioned=C2=A0items that the system is unmanageable= .=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Taken to its logical extreme, every construct would = need a semver and every

import would need to be at the granularity of 1 iden= tifier.

=C2=A0

The owner of module A can only update/fix the import= of B after

the owner of B has finished breaking backward compat= ibility (or not).

=C2=A0

This only invalidates the utility of the upper bound= of semver,

e.g., the newest version of B that can be imported b= y A.

=C2=A0

The fatal flaw in YANG imports has always been that = import EXACT version

is too fragile to be useful.=C2=A0 When module A is = written, the author knows

the MINIMUM VERSION of B that can be imported, yet Y= ANG has no way to express that.

For BC changes (which are the vast majority) this is= sufficient.

Please just fix that.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Andy

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

The maintainer of module B may be acting in a conser= vative way and
bumping major numbers frequently (and many times not affecting module
A) or maintainer B may be lenient - and B's decision may be influenced<= br> by how central module B is, the more modules depend on B, the higher
the pressure to not bump the major version number of B and to either
avoid non-backwards compatible changes or to label them as compatible
(even though it is possible they are not).

In some realities, you end up with a need for more complex expressions
over the version number space to define which versions are known to
work together. And this information is often maintained _outside_ the
code artifacts (one advantage being that this makes dependency updates
possible without having to touch the files with the definitions). Some
examples:

https://doc.rust-lang.org/cargo/reference/specify= ing-dependencies.html

https://cabal.readt= hedocs.io/en/latest/developing-packages.html#modules-imported-from-other-pa= ckages

https://semver.npmj= s.com/

Given these examples, one can ask whether decorating the YANG import
statement with 'inline' versioning constraints is actually the righ= t
way to go. Perhaps dependency constraints are better managed outside.

/js

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 07:17:22PM +0000, Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)= wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Enclosed are the materials for the Virtual Interim on Monday.=C2=A0 Ha= ve a good weekend!
>
> Rgds,
> Jason



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Hi all,

 

I support the adoption= .

 

Thanks,

Bo

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: netmod [mailto= :netmod-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED Kent Watsen
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4:<= /span> 2020=C4=EA12=D4=C28=C8=D5 6:33
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: netmod@ietf.org
=D6=F7=CC=E2: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-06<= /span>

 

This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for:

 


Please voice your support or technical objections on list before the end of= December 21, any time zone.

Thank you!

NETMOD Chairs

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Thank you for = your contributions to the versioning+whitespace discussions here on the = list and on the interim Monday. 

In short, the discussions did not = really lead us any closer to consensus around the whitespace related = questions raised. In order to move on, the versioning subgroup decided = yesterday that for the continued work on the versioning drafts, YANG = module integrity & veracity will be moved out of scope. This means = we will remove all forms of module checksums from the drafts and leave = that as future work. Hopefully that should make it easier to conclude = the versioning work.

Best Regards,
/jan




On 11 Dec 2020, at 20:17, Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) = <jason.sterne@nokia.com> wrote:

Hi all,
 
Enclosed are the materials = for the Virtual Interim on Monday.  Have a good weekend!
 
Rgds,
Jason
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Thu, 17 Dec 2020 23:12:17 +0000 From: "Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" To: "netmod@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: NETMOD Versioning virtual interim #2 - Week of Feb 1, 2021 - poll for attendees Thread-Index: AdbUxHNaYV+25IoQRI+oab9ajVEERg== Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 23:12:17 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: ietf.org; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;ietf.org; dmarc=none action=none header.from=nokia.com; x-originating-ip: [2607:fea8:e300:6d0:6032:f77c:2b8:3850] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-ms-office365-filtering-ht: Tenant x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: a2ded502-a006-4ff3-5e4e-08d8a2e13287 x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: DM6PR08MB6330: x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-ms-oob-tlc-oobclassifiers: OLM:8273; x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: 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 x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:255.255.255.255; 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boundary="_000_DM6PR08MB58841D16386B5891EC8C9F0B9BC40DM6PR08MB5884namp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: nokia.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: DM6PR08MB5884.namprd08.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: a2ded502-a006-4ff3-5e4e-08d8a2e13287 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 17 Dec 2020 23:12:17.0589 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5d471751-9675-428d-917b-70f44f9630b0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: xTYbfmOOcjaIm4BmoGaBDT5u/k8SaxQVXrv4Y2X4gtswbHj/AkV2pU5+33LUMKOnyJXo0A13BSGJGX2O0HXtVQ== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DM6PR08MB6330 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] NETMOD Versioning virtual interim #2 - Week of Feb 1, 2021 - poll for attendees X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 23:12:21 -0000 --_000_DM6PR08MB58841D16386B5891EC8C9F0B9BC40DM6PR08MB5884namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, The first Virtual Interim for YANG Versioning topics was quite useful. Than= ks to all who attended and helped prepare. We're going to hold a second interim in the first week of February. ### YOUR RESPONSE REQUESTED ### Please fill in the doodle poll with what days in the Feb 1-4 range you coul= d arrange your schedule to attend. - If you will, or even *may* attend, then please fill in the doodle poll - if you don't intend to attend, then please do not fill in the doodle poll https://doodle.com/poll/b5uveesppy8sf6rm The focus of versioning interim #2 is likely the following topics (we may n= ot get through all of them): 1) IANA considerations: how are final RFC revision labels assigned ? https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/issues/59 2) YANG file naming when revision labels are being used (symbolic links? @<= revision-label>) ? 3) SemVer: mandatory for IETF ? https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/issues/45 4) SemVer: initial revision label for drafts and RFC updates https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/issues/60 5) SemVer: gaps in history, removing revision statements https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/issues/61 Topics 1 and 2 are related to YANG module versioning: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-module-versioning/ Topics 3-5 are related to the Semver draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-semver As before, we will send materials before the meeting. Rgds, Jason --_000_DM6PR08MB58841D16386B5891EC8C9F0B9BC40DM6PR08MB5884namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

 

The first Virtual Interim for YANG Versioning topics= was quite useful. Thanks to all who attended and helped prepare.

 

We're going to hold a second interim in the first we= ek of February.

 

### YOUR RESPONSE REQUESTED ###=

Please fill in the doodle poll with what days in the= Feb 1-4 range you could arrange your schedule to attend.

- If you will, or even *may* attend, then ple= ase fill in the doodle poll

- if you don't intend to attend, then please do not = fill in the doodle poll

https://doodle.com/poll/b5uveesppy8sf6rm

 

The focus of versioning interim #2 is likely the fol= lowing topics (we may not get through all of them):

 

1) IANA considerations:= how are final RFC revision labels assigned ?

https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-v= er-dt/issues/59

 

2) YANG file naming whe= n revision labels are being used (symbolic links? @<revision-label>) = ?

 

3) SemVer: mandatory fo= r IETF ?

https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-v= er-dt/issues/45

 

4) SemVer: initial revi= sion label for drafts and RFC updates

https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-v= er-dt/issues/60

 

5) SemVer: gaps in hist= ory, removing revision statements

https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-v= er-dt/issues/61

 

 

Topics 1 and 2 are related to YANG module versioning= :

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-i= etf-netmod-yang-module-versioning/

 

Topics 3-5 are related to the Semver draft:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-y= ang-semver

 

As before, we will send materials before the meeting= .

 

Rgds,

Jason

 

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Hi all,

We support the adoption of it.
ECA is useful for the future network, and it needs a YANG for its= management.
We hope that an experimental network can be realized in a few years.

Best Regards

Liu Chang
China Unicom
Email: liuc131@chinaunicom.cn
Phone: +8618601102572



---Original---
From: Lou Berger=0A=
Date: 2020-12-08 06:27=0A=
To: NETMOD Group=0A=
CC: NetMod WG Chairs=0A=
Subject: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10

This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for:<= /div>

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wwx-netmod-e= vent-yang-10

Please voice your support or technical objecti= ons on list before the end 
of December 21, any time zone.

Thank you!

Netmod Chairs

PS Note the IPR poll is running concurrently a= s the private response all 
indicated that no IPR exists.  The draft = will not be formally adopted 
until both the IPR and WG polls are complete.<= /div>

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Fri, 18 Dec 2020 18:12:30 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2020 18:12:27 +0000 (UTC) From: Igor Bryskin To: NETMOD Group , NetMod WG Chairs Message-ID: <1131655634.2261248.1608315147674@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2261247_1479439326.1608315147673" X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.17278 YMailNorrin Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:83.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/83.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2020 18:12:33 -0000 ------=_Part_2261247_1479439326.1608315147673 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I support (as a co-anther/ Cheers,Igor hould have mentioned that this is the 2nd adoption call on this document.= =C2=A0 for full context on discussion on this draft, see https://mailarchiv= e.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmod/?q=3Ddraft-wwx-netmod-event-yang On 12/7/2020 5:27 PM, Lou Berger wrote: > This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 > > Please voice your support or technical objections on list before the=20 > end of December 21, any time zone. > > Thank you! > > Netmod Chairs > > PS Note the IPR poll is running concurrently as the private response=20 > all indicated that no IPR exists.=C2=A0 The draft will not be formally=20 > adopted until both the IPR and WG polls are complete. > > _______________________________________________ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod =20 ------=_Part_2261247_1479439326.1608315147673 Content-Type: text/html; 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I support (as a co-anther/

Cheers,
Igor


hould have m= entioned that this is the 2nd adoption call on this document.  for ful= l context on discussion on this draft, see https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmod/?q=3Dd= raft-wwx-netmod-event-yang
=

On 12/7/2020 5:27 PM, Lou = Berger wrote:
> This email begins a 2-week ado= ption poll for:
>
>
> Please voice your support or technical objections on list before t= he
> end of December 21, any time zone.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Netmod Chairs
>
> PS Note the IPR pol= l is running concurrently as the private response
> all indicated that no IPR exists.  The draft will not be formal= ly
> adopted until both the IPR and WG polls = are complete.
>
>=

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------=_Part_2261247_1479439326.1608315147673-- From nobody Sat Dec 19 08:43:13 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 219783A0B87; Sat, 19 Dec 2020 08:43:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.697 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.697 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t_BB5hejtdZH; Sat, 19 Dec 2020 08:43:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ed1-x52e.google.com (mail-ed1-x52e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::52e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15D9A3A0B92; Sat, 19 Dec 2020 08:43:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ed1-x52e.google.com with SMTP id dk8so5555601edb.1; Sat, 19 Dec 2020 08:43:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=64pWYlu3AheTLMhxqWPZ4MOgVXovu1aJHU3cvoYGMoM=; b=J7EzWKC4EqEXyzIbeF6u3G8Qs80HTvP+SswDgIJ0sN9mIVVO8Hl5GZ1Fr0EU3x0acu gFxQ12lqvpbfw07YyTCs5Qx3bZLt58637EpT/jdVmOT5qSZk2ICky4fvfWb0rISfsYfe MeZ6yctnDa8LBpSz5+LE0xTmTKtgLiZk02cTEqUwv1005OD21hSz81cZtnl/MAh/cE+i 0+PVSAgji/svAR3v6fEMnQvuRTR2aSmWori95FGUuUFEvDar1FwETc2tLlCitBSKKE4Q 0V8UFM40m+T9G3x0yNRspXsOHWGJ2ZBIZ/iUfEL9rW9yMIudmobjpxV86wx8ereqDKSW toDw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=64pWYlu3AheTLMhxqWPZ4MOgVXovu1aJHU3cvoYGMoM=; b=JDsnNVbr8hWWnev+pG0xFid2JVbILHGxHTtfi7Z8mv3y4lGk3bMv/ayXpUx7EJIbYt 5XMGIjw4P37t6VywTSRFkn4Oec+9+dMCXvOOVnIQrR6BCkRhXdYGkDOJcpNl+KmFn3HO m0vQjyjY9Y8b7mFBKCFiYWmOjcjuicOv8pu5mCjwuMxnCF696ZEJ4/uJUVA7XHgOo1bb h70u7MAw5l6bIa0pdogMFeTiKLofiv/1R1/9AyGc9PDneioH5QDmIdM51JjaeghG0aMv zXFKU/UpyGlZf9+77LgTBwx8lZE1+90JXZG8RYtS0GwyGRxKpiNQPt7SrAMqPh9DAlJK mD2g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5304Z2m0MggHeTmAtD1fZILL/5llRB8XGghGEz/4+K7l1EEO3lov eDASuv2xpA1BSJtphh4ojXwFEsJx+WUIAfB+yfNYTEoe X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzOrampVhvpVHORGARChojD1re7zmdZscC3wNFCMugJRH25XNJnN5r+dQXWHdml+oPkkYGjG1tLLpj3AbNJoHY= X-Received: by 2002:a50:fd88:: with SMTP id o8mr9427891edt.386.1608396188747; Sat, 19 Dec 2020 08:43:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Xufeng Liu Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2020 11:42:57 -0500 Message-ID: To: Lou Berger Cc: NETMOD Group , NetMod WG Chairs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007d0a9705b6d3ebd3" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2020 16:43:12 -0000 --0000000000007d0a9705b6d3ebd3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Support the adoption as a co-auther. Thanks, - Xufeng On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 5:29 PM Lou Berger wrote: > This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 > > Please voice your support or technical objections on list before the end > of December 21, any time zone. > > Thank you! > > Netmod Chairs > > PS Note the IPR poll is running concurrently as the private response all > indicated that no IPR exists. The draft will not be formally adopted > until both the IPR and WG polls are complete. > > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > --0000000000007d0a9705b6d3ebd3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Support the adoption as a co-auther.
T= hanks,
- Xufeng

On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 5:29 PM Lou Berger <= ;lberger@labn.net= > wrote:
This= email begins a 2-week adoption poll for:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wwx-net= mod-event-yang-10

Please voice your support or technical objections on list before the end of December 21, any time zone.

Thank you!

Netmod Chairs

PS Note the IPR poll is running concurrently as the private response all indicated that no IPR exists.=C2=A0 The draft will not be formally adopted =
until both the IPR and WG polls are complete.


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--0000000000007d0a9705b6d3ebd3-- From nobody Sun Dec 20 18:58:04 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 698953A0B62 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 18:58:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.602 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.602 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Iwp64TOfUS-j for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 18:58:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yb1-xb2d.google.com (mail-yb1-xb2d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 524263A0B5B for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 18:58:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-yb1-xb2d.google.com with SMTP id k78so7581266ybf.12 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 18:58:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=jNu6bnD+yeIIOqIfqtVVUJq2Pn4DX+sCRf/u5OjNjx0=; b=jCKatYfooRU1ev/1A+Lxtuz1SQr+uQobH3RbfboRZyh3Exews5M3+PJlus8cw/WzFP tpHBOZxvVjiiIfjWe2F8FpkrgqXZ7IqgPGUcZzDh1AEgv1VIEVYXa8IDR10aPwUZG7p2 9zsMJtSi9l+VAeDwQwKmTPWqUr/PkacbVVsQxKnH4jzJeuzbky7dmwP0G4SFPF3R49Ih ZGERQ8PRKIrVvlf4d3B0oTM2VYyxxZxvl8p9WC6MkFqc3mFtP9X3nISsFMAdurJnlX+k WMuI7mfno8BHI5QJtQm9XUEZWeayBbaywPQU3SIaiu4T4juLUttJKpFJMoNP4EMSueLP +WTg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=jNu6bnD+yeIIOqIfqtVVUJq2Pn4DX+sCRf/u5OjNjx0=; b=BYR+6znjXKnf2d2inRl3PEkIsOBpUb6mqISKgHb814Eu96iM5GI2/A0LCUZSexkVqO TGGEu5kuzPeBdCyDz+TkoJR2/mALN9vIudlheECOKUnaxmbxddIBjpad/ufKneKt++ra DfsZNtgVzfhrfzLDRMTKR+snf2uJ4hCjycJ0d4agcjj+GyHVUv5kUdYVrmlpQl6QvpGL l0k2z0KZGPnfhn7fjtytX0PBgUAgzhpKUqDc8BBeyqi+FuuBo4qPShIfRETHHlBXchvc r8gtrd9h4brWwJDzaGZMOJXAuiImV+qPFJYkyE8LkVlvlcEsySJQ6yGlZNqcnBZ0n+9P /YPg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5301nYbC0W/RkBnMTvTn0x1mVMKtxoMYHJqW+t0T8vDqj2DoPBwU TACk70dG7+n92SvARqz0PWaW6Ro/4idtN5yUyiouSKL3PPGWw7c+ X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzWe0Y0nHiA8jheczTEpc5T6lwLaTD/RlV2lRrw/BT5j/p9QIFZuCdgTeFhsg5Dv7MiKp0PAoziFcJIitKQBBA= X-Received: by 2002:a5b:b0e:: with SMTP id z14mr19236952ybp.211.1608519480358; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 18:58:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: andy L Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 10:57:48 +0800 Message-ID: To: netmod@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003db98805b6f0a066" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-06 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 02:58:02 -0000 --0000000000003db98805b6f0a066 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I think this draft is good for the adoption. Thanks Liu --0000000000003db98805b6f0a066 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8"
I think this draft is good for the adoption.
Thanks

Liu
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I support this adoption.
thanks
Liu
--000000000000c73f1905b6f2839c-- From nobody Sun Dec 20 23:53:11 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 283C23A0ECA for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 23:53:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.589 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.589 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL=1.31, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XJuO9OQFWvc9 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 23:53:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from cmccmta2.chinamobile.com (cmccmta2.chinamobile.com [221.176.66.80]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 628B03A0EC9 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2020 23:53:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from spf.mail.chinamobile.com (unknown[172.16.121.3]) by rmmx-syy-dmz-app08-12008 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee85fe05451406-2f6af; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 15:52:50 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee85fe05451406-2f6af X-RM-TagInfo: emlType=0 X-RM-SPAM-FLAG: 00000000 Received: from DESKTOPU35O1J6 (unknown[10.2.52.39]) by rmsmtp-syy-appsvr02-12002 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee25fe0544f9d0-93faf; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 15:52:50 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee25fe0544f9d0-93faf From: "Lingli Deng" To: Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 15:52:27 +0800 Message-ID: <007301d6d76e$3a560a60$af021f20$@chinamobile.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AdbXbg1ad4R0ByhuQai6sUSPB0SBng== Content-Language: zh-cn Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 07:53:10 -0000 Hi all, I support the adoption. Lingli -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: netmod [mailto:netmod-bounces@ietf.org] = =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Lou Berger =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2020=E5=B9=B412=E6=9C=888=E6=97=A5 = 6:28 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: NETMOD Group =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: NetMod WG Chairs =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [netmod] Adoption poll for = draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 Please voice your support or technical objections on list before the end = of December 21, any time zone. Thank you! Netmod Chairs PS Note the IPR poll is running concurrently as the private response all = indicated that no IPR exists. The draft will not be formally adopted = until both the IPR and WG polls are complete. _______________________________________________ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod From nobody Mon Dec 21 03:28:15 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36CE3A0FD8; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 03:28:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.4 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.4 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FAKE_REPLY_A1=3.299, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lJCeqdvFyiCK; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 03:28:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-edgeKA27.fraunhofer.de (mail-edgeka27.fraunhofer.de [153.96.1.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F4A83A109B; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 03:28:07 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2H5CwArhuBf/xmnZsBiHgEBCxIMQIN?= =?us-ascii?q?KgSWBQoQ3iQSHbzCaToFoCwEBAQEBAQEBAQcBASMKAgQBAQKESIF5ASU4EwI?= =?us-ascii?q?QAQEGAQEBAQEGBAIChk4Mg1WBBwEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEWAkNVEgE?= =?us-ascii?q?gKA8BBUEZAhgCAiYCSRYNAQcBAYJXSwGDBgQLkVWcCIEyhEMCgRODVYE8BoE?= =?us-ascii?q?OKoZxhl4PgU0/gTgPgmM+gl0BAQOBJwESAYM4gmAEglhLBFECgmeSZ6QYUCw?= =?us-ascii?q?HgWaBEYEXBAuHfpIcBQofgyaKKYUrBo9GhH6aGpFPhFACBAIJAhaBbYELcE0?= =?us-ascii?q?kT4JqTxcCDZcmhUWBKgIGAQkBAQMJfIkUAYEQAQE?= X-IPAS-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2H5CwArhuBf/xmnZsBiHgEBCxIMQINKgSWBQoQ3iQSHb?= =?us-ascii?q?zCaToFoCwEBAQEBAQEBAQcBASMKAgQBAQKESIF5ASU4EwIQAQEGAQEBAQEGB?= =?us-ascii?q?AIChk4Mg1WBBwEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEWAkNVEgEgKA8BBUEZAhgCA?= =?us-ascii?q?iYCSRYNAQcBAYJXSwGDBgQLkVWcCIEyhEMCgRODVYE8BoEOKoZxhl4PgU0/g?= =?us-ascii?q?TgPgmM+gl0BAQOBJwESAYM4gmAEglhLBFECgmeSZ6QYUCwHgWaBEYEXBAuHf?= =?us-ascii?q?pIcBQofgyaKKYUrBo9GhH6aGpFPhFACBAIJAhaBbYELcE0kT4JqTxcCDZcmh?= =?us-ascii?q?UWBKgIGAQkBAQMJfIkUAYEQAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.78,436,1599516000"; d="scan'208";a="26679990" Received: from mail-mtadd25.fraunhofer.de ([192.102.167.25]) by mail-edgeKA27.fraunhofer.de with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 21 Dec 2020 12:28:05 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0AHCABdhuBf/1lIDI1iHgEBCxIMQIN?= =?us-ascii?q?KL3ZaMDiEN4kEh24wmk6BaAsBAwEBAQEBBwEBIwoCBAEBhEqBdwIlOBMCEAE?= =?us-ascii?q?BBQEBAQIBBgRxhWEMhXUoDwEFQRkCGAICJgJJFg0BBwEBgldLAYMKC5FVnAi?= =?us-ascii?q?BMoRDAoETg1WBPAaBDiqGcYZeD4FNP4E4D4JjPoJdAQEDgScBEgGDOIJgBIJ?= =?us-ascii?q?YSwRRAoJnkmekGFAsB4FmgRGBFwQLh36SHAUKH4MmiimFKwaPRoR+mhqRT4R?= =?us-ascii?q?QAgQCCQIWgW0jZ3BNJE+Cak8XAg2XJoVFQmgCBgEJAQEDCXyJFAGBEAEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.78,436,1599516000"; d="scan'208";a="97991277" Received: from mailext.sit.fraunhofer.de ([141.12.72.89]) by mail-mtaDD25.fraunhofer.de with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 21 Dec 2020 12:28:02 +0100 Received: from mailext.sit.fraunhofer.de (mail.sit.fraunhofer.de [141.12.84.171]) by mailext.sit.fraunhofer.de (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-10) with ESMTPS id 0BLBS1Kh012807 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 21 Dec 2020 12:28:01 +0100 Received: from [192.168.16.50] (79.206.145.24) by mail.sit.fraunhofer.de (141.12.84.171) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.487.0; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 12:27:56 +0100 To: NETMOD Group CC: NetMod WG Chairs From: Henk Birkholz Message-ID: <97ca0a25-ed22-0b3c-b783-2700e5680509@sit.fraunhofer.de> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 12:27:56 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: [79.206.145.24] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 11:28:14 -0000 Hi chairs, hi group, as an author, I support the adoption of this document. Robust event generation is an important foundation for corresponding automation mechanics. Viele Grüße, Henk On 12/7/2020 5:27 PM, Lou Berger wrote: > This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 > > Please voice your support or technical objections on list before the > end of December 21, any time zone. > > Thank you! > > Netmod Chairs > > PS Note the IPR poll is running concurrently as the private response > all indicated that no IPR exists. The draft will not be formally > adopted until both the IPR and WG polls are complete. From nobody Mon Dec 21 04:59:46 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6728E3A0FB2 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 04:59:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6_TRXvU7os_1 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 04:59:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from cmccmta1.chinamobile.com (cmccmta1.chinamobile.com [221.176.66.79]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD6F03A0FAD for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 04:59:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from spf.mail.chinamobile.com (unknown[172.16.121.19]) by rmmx-syy-dmz-app04-12004 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee45fe09c2e1fc-376a2; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 20:59:27 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee45fe09c2e1fc-376a2 X-RM-TagInfo: emlType=0 X-RM-SPAM-FLAG: 00000000 Received: from DESKTOPU35O1J6 (unknown[10.2.52.39]) by rmsmtp-syy-appsvr10-12010 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2eea5fe09c2ca72-1b80d; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 20:59:27 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2eea5fe09c2ca72-1b80d From: "Lingli Deng" To: Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 20:59:04 +0800 Message-ID: <00c201d6d799$0ff2d930$2fd88b90$@chinamobile.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C3_01D6D7DC.1E1B2240" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AdbXmMk9Utp5ziH+RyaQOSO9DSbo0Q== Content-Language: zh-cn Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-06 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 12:59:44 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01D6D7DC.1E1B2240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, =20 I support this adoption. =20 Lingli=20 =20 =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: netmod [mailto:netmod-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED = Kent Watsen =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2020=C4=EA12=D4=C28=C8=D5 6:33 =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: netmod@ietf.org =20 =D6=F7=CC=E2: [netmod] Adoption poll for = draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-06 =20 This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: =20 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-06 Please voice your support or technical objections on list before the end = of December 21, any time zone. Thank you! NETMOD Chairs ------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01D6D7DC.1E1B2240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = all,

 

I support = this adoption.

 

Lingli 

 

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: netmod [mailto:netmod-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED Kent Watsen
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2020=C4=EA12=D4=C28=C8=D5 = 6:33
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=D6=F7=CC= =E2: [netmod] Adoption = poll for draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-06

 

This email begins a 2-week adoption poll = for:

 


Please voice your support or technical = objections on list before the end of December 21, any time = zone.

Thank you!

NETMOD Chairs


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I see the value of ECA on the controller as well, say a customer network controller or an orchestrator can set the ECA on a central controller (reference ACTN in TEAS WG). Perhaps you would consider adding a sentence to describe this as well. The client-server terminology in the rest of the document covers it already. And I do see value in this and support adoption. Thanks! Dhruv On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 3:59 AM Lou Berger wrote: > > This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 > > Please voice your support or technical objections on list before the end > of December 21, any time zone. > > Thank you! > > Netmod Chairs > > PS Note the IPR poll is running concurrently as the private response all > indicated that no IPR exists. The draft will not be formally adopted > until both the IPR and WG polls are complete. > > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod From nobody Mon Dec 21 09:13:03 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3ACD3A1270 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 09:12:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9lenMoUFt69M for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 09:12:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-io1-xd2e.google.com (mail-io1-xd2e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 183E03A1283 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 09:12:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-io1-xd2e.google.com with SMTP id z136so9492232iof.3 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 09:12:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=+1A7FKLSOyS6dzcG5wQGMGfsh0MaHO85H18E8EGpldo=; b=aFggZarKaNLMqBIjekJ1XcZjclnsCeh2YJcfi+qyLlNiVLgRzIvHGxL65xQz9628E+ 3jceWnSO2JHSPpvqTl7DYrIIq61mtquaogrnRA9XaGhpelHHdy3Yplg6A133saNZXhHg vZfOByvk1iHQzjLFN2wwuMmgPpMlAaE4yDbEwkk8pX8n9kAMPl7pUEACrxGKaWfWYmKY sfFHMIqbEWGyVlNd6ax9GoFKxVCRYlBOjP0cwHl2HkmXjEOVNWJg66QOn+CWuDbiTYbt 9h/hZzo0PO0MYkbj/Pz/P+6bMlwNAARH4HkNx52eK/gSr5Mo2oSkLUcadyf7A9K32qEJ 0HuQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=+1A7FKLSOyS6dzcG5wQGMGfsh0MaHO85H18E8EGpldo=; b=CAoT1ThhmILtSWpwtQuFQaHy9/b0UjmoFe1zu2d/+YbexgcpPTS7+U3ihyclEY2XjD xXUrPOsypfieIp1Pue0oEnQS0blNo5GF9ruhIgOn4o3N/oFMZxDn7UKt0iwRZwkfjPeo yOqHSn/W+eaFyFNkjwPuJaXE8aTx8IZkWoharMaSpFjqK1JJsaNoFL4uQwzZQsCUUHzf JRLq6upR5R1dVF/uJACXf63Q7Ti3T4ccm98FxTh1HhC/Tt4q1q44AlhhPFzFME2ytyl3 QTTW/sGCwKr8lDOV112bPlNDdit8F7RVMVyno2DbC5SGO4Pxkko9ILSC06mhV4GMYpkA Ieig== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532nQBFGu/bGCFIdNwwaFfE1p7jhUuWZSdEYZyT/QQYYlOLzCT92 1B1DMrCA/lfqlZm0nJ8Muc8KX1SAwMj1R7wUmi1EXCu3zb0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwpIoRJVGjCPvsZH2HtQinMffcdhU6ft5IOiAvNhd42JkcPezxmDchKE6MY8cJe+Ki0AXqGHvZDnf8Yiy9wIH4= X-Received: by 2002:a02:b02:: with SMTP id 2mr15712012jad.15.1608570776129; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 09:12:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <010001763f5649c9-e5fe8654-dc68-4a39-bbfb-b022e2f58242-000000@email.amazonses.com> In-Reply-To: <010001763f5649c9-e5fe8654-dc68-4a39-bbfb-b022e2f58242-000000@email.amazonses.com> From: Dhruv Dhody Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 22:42:20 +0530 Message-ID: To: Kent Watsen Cc: "netmod@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-06 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 17:13:02 -0000 Hi Kent, I see value in extending the tagging mechanism from module to data nodes, and thus I support adoption! Hi Authors, Section 6 says that "This section updates [RFC8407].", but the front page does not have the "Updates" tag [ :) ] Not sure if it is a wrong phrase or you do want to update RFC 8407 here. Thanks! 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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3691409293_1146378863 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Thanks everyone for the feedback and comments on the mailing list and durin= g the interim. =20 For the issue of revision-or-derived-compatible, there seems to be consensu= s that =E2=80=9Crevision-or-derived=E2=80=9D is useful but compatibility constraints on = imported modules =C2=A0is better defined outside of the modules. So we will clos= e https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/issues/75, and open a new issue t= o look at how to define these constraints as meta-data elsewhere (e.g. in pa= ckages) For https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/issues/4, a change to the impo= rt statement is considered as backwards-compatible. There were some discussi= ons as to whether there should be exceptions, but the semver draft already a= llows the major version to be bumped when all changed made are BC. Under some circumstances (e.g., to avoid adding a "_compatible" modifier) an artifact author MAY also update the MAJOR version when the only changes are backwards-compatible. =20 Regards, Reshad. =20 From: netmod on behalf of "Sterne, Jason (Nokia -= CA/Ottawa)" Date: Friday, December 11, 2020 at 2:17 PM To: "netmod@ietf.org" Subject: [netmod] Materials for NETMOD Virtual Interim meeting (Monday) =20 Hi all, =20 Enclosed are the materials for the Virtual Interim on Monday. Have a good = weekend! =20 Rgds, Jason _______________________________________________ netmod mailing list netmod@= ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod=20 --B_3691409293_1146378863 Content-type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks everyo= ne for the feedback and comments on the mailing list and during the interim.=

 

  1. For the issue of revision-or-derived-compatible, there s= eems to be consensus that =E2=80=9Crevision-or-derived=E2=80=9D is useful but compatibil= ity constraints on imported modules =C2=A0is better defined outside of the modul= es. So we will close https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/issues/75, and open a new= issue to look at how to define these constraints as meta-data elsewhere (e.= g. in packages)
  2. For https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-ver-dt/issues/4, a c= hange to the import statement is considered as backwards-compatible. There w= ere some discussions as to whether there should be exceptions, but the semve= r draft already allows the major version to be bumped when all changed made = are BC.

Under some circumstances (e.g= ., to avoid adding a "_compatible"

modifier) an artifact author MAY also update the MAJOR version=

when the only changes are backwards-comp= atible.

 

Regards,

Reshad.

=

 

From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of "= ;Sterne, Jason (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" <jason.sterne@nokia.com>
<= b>Date: Friday, December 11, 2020 at 2:17 PM
To: "netmod@= ietf.org" <netmod@ietf.org>
Subject: [netmod] Materials= for NETMOD Virtual Interim meeting (Monday)

 

Hi all,

&nbs= p;

Enclosed are the= materials for the Virtual Interim on Monday.  Have a good weekend!

 

Rgds,

Jason

_= ______________________________________________ netmod mailing list netmod@ie= tf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod

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List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2020 00:03:24 -0000 Hi Qin, It's sub-optimal, but sufficient IMO.  Please note you didn't respond for yourself! we're still missing responses from: Qin Wu Benoit Claise Andy Bierman Thanks, Lou On 12/7/2020 8:46 PM, Qin Wu wrote: > > Hi, Lou: > > Does forwarding confirmation from the authors to the list count? > > I have done this accidentally. If not, I will leave this to my coauthors. > > -Qin > > *发件人:*Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > *发送时间:*2020年12月8日6:20 > *收件人:*Qin Wu ; Igor Bryskin ; > Henk Birkholz ; Xufeng Liu > ; Benoit Claise > *抄送:*NetMod WG Chairs ; NetMod WG > > *主题:*Fwd: Regarding IPR on draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 > > Authors, > >     My apologies -- I failed to cc the WG on this.  Can you please > re-reply so that your response make it into the WG archive. > > Thank you! > > Lou > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > *Subject: * > > > > Regarding IPR on draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 > > *Date: * > > > > Mon, 23 Nov 2020 18:08:59 -0500 > > *From: * > > > > Lou Berger > > *To: * > > > > Qin Wu , Igor Bryskin > , Henk Birkholz > > , Xufeng Liu > , Benoit > Claise > > *CC: * > > > > NetMod WG Chairs > > > > Authors, > > Per the 109 session, it is the chairs intent to do another adoption > call on this draft. In preparation for that, we’ve determined both > that the draft has changed significantly and that there is a new > author, and therefore feel it necessary to issue another IPR call, as > follows: > > > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of preparation for WG Adoption: > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. > > We note that all DT members are listed as contributors. If you > contributed to the document please respond. Alternatively, please feel > free to state that you didn't materially contribute to the draft and > would like your name removed from the contribution section (and moved to > acknowledgments after WG adoption). > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next > stage until a response has been received from each author. > > NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. > > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from > participating in any contribution or discussion related to your > undisclosed IPR. 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Authors, Please prepare a version of the draft with only the file name changed to draft-ietf-netmod-eca-policy-00.  The -01 version should address issues / comments raised during adoption.  Note that publication of the -00 version is gated by the completion of the IPR poll. Thank you! 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I sent IPR statements at least twice. No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft Andy On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 4:03 PM Lou Berger wrote: > Hi Qin, > > It's sub-optimal, but sufficient IMO. Please note you didn't respond > for yourself! > > we're still missing responses from: > > Qin Wu > Benoit Claise > Andy Bierman > > Thanks, > > Lou > > On 12/7/2020 8:46 PM, Qin Wu wrote: > > > > Hi, Lou: > > > > Does forwarding confirmation from the authors to the list count? > > > > I have done this accidentally. If not, I will leave this to my coauthor= s. > > > > -Qin > > > > *=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:*Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > > *=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4:*2020=E5=B9=B412=E6=9C=888=E6=97= =A56:20 > > *=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:*Qin Wu ; Igor Bryskin= ; > > Henk Birkholz ; Xufeng Liu > > ; Benoit Claise > > *=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81:*NetMod WG Chairs ; NetMod = WG > > > > *=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98:*Fwd: Regarding IPR on draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-= 10 > > > > Authors, > > > > My apologies -- I failed to cc the WG on this. Can you please > > re-reply so that your response make it into the WG archive. > > > > Thank you! > > > > Lou > > > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > > > *Subject: * > > > > > > > > Regarding IPR on draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 > > > > *Date: * > > > > > > > > Mon, 23 Nov 2020 18:08:59 -0500 > > > > *From: * > > > > > > > > Lou Berger > > > > *To: * > > > > > > > > Qin Wu , Igor Bryskin > > , Henk Birkholz > > > > , Xufeng Liu > > , Benoit > > Claise > > > > *CC: * > > > > > > > > NetMod WG Chairs > > > > > > > > > Authors, > > > > Per the 109 session, it is the chairs intent to do another adoption > > call on this draft. In preparation for that, we=E2=80=99ve determined b= oth > > that the draft has changed significantly and that there is a new > > author, and therefore feel it necessary to issue another IPR call, as > > follows: > > > > > > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > > > As part of preparation for WG Adoption: > > > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? > > > > Please state either: > > > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > > or > > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > > (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? > > > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > > or > > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > > appropriate. > > > > We note that all DT members are listed as contributors. If you > > contributed to the document please respond. Alternatively, please feel > > free to state that you didn't materially contribute to the draft and > > would like your name removed from the contribution section (and moved t= o > > acknowledgments after WG adoption). > > > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the > > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next > > stage until a response has been received from each author. > > > > NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. > > > > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not liste= d > > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under > > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are > > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from > > participating in any contribution or discussion related to your > > undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above > > and > > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty > > . > > > > Thank you, > > NETMOD WG Chairs > > > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > > response. > > > --0000000000009d677305b717df79 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I am not a co-author.
I s= ent IPR statements at least twice.

No, I'm not= aware of any IPR that applies to this draft

A= ndy


On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 4:03 PM Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net> wrote:
Hi Qin,

It's sub-optimal, but sufficient IMO.=C2=A0 Please note you didn't = respond
for yourself!

we're still missing responses from:

Qin Wu
Benoit Claise
Andy Bierman

Thanks,

Lou

On 12/7/2020 8:46 PM, Qin Wu wrote:
>
> Hi, Lou:
>
> Does forwarding confirmation from the authors to the list count?
>
> I have done this accidentally. If not, I will leave this to my coautho= rs.
>
> -Qin
>
> *=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:*Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net]
> *=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4:*2020=E5=B9=B412=E6=9C=888=E6=97= =A56:20
> *=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:*Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com>; Igor Bryskin <i_bryskin@yahoo.com>;
> Henk Birkholz <henk.birkholz@sit.fraunhofer.de>; Xufeng Liu
> <xuf= eng.liu.ietf@gmail.com>; Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com>
> *=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81:*NetMod WG Chairs <netmod-chairs@ietf.org>; NetMod WG <= br> > <netmod@ietf.o= rg>
> *=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98:*Fwd: Regarding IPR on draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang= -10
>
> Authors,
>
> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 My apologies -- I failed to cc the WG on this.=C2= =A0 Can you please
> re-reply so that your response make it into the WG archive.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Lou
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>
> *Subject: *
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>
> Regarding IPR on draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10
>
> *Date: *
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>
> Mon, 23 Nov 2020 18:08:59 -0500
>
> *From: *
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>
> Lou Berger <l= berger@labn.net> <mailto:lberger@labn.net>
>
> *To: *
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>
> Qin Wu <bil= l.wu@huawei.com> <mailto:bill.wu@huawei.com>, Igor Bryskin
> <i_bryskin= @yahoo.com> <mailto:i_bryskin@yahoo.com>, Henk Birkholz
> <henk.birkholz@sit.fraunhofer.de>
> <mailto:henk.birkholz@sit.fraunhofer.de>, Xufeng Liu
> <xuf= eng.liu.ietf@gmail.com> <mailto:xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com>, Benoit > Claise <bcla= ise@cisco.com> <mailto:bclaise@cisco.com>
>
> *CC: *
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>
> NetMod WG Chairs <netmod-chairs@ietf.org> <mailto:netmod-chairs@ietf.org>
>
>
>
> Authors,
>
> Per the 109 session, it is the chairs intent to do another adoption > call on this draft. In preparation for that, we=E2=80=99ve determined = both
> that the draft has changed significantly and that there is a new
> author, and therefore feel it necessary to issue another IPR call, as =
> follows:
>
>
> Authors, Contributors, WG,
>
> As part of preparation for WG Adoption:
>
> Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above?
>
> Please state either:
>
> "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"= ;
> or
> "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"
>
> If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)?
>
> If yes to the above, please state either:
>
> "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rule= s"
> or
> "No, the IPR has not been disclosed"
>
> If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think
> appropriate.
>
> We note that all DT members are listed as contributors. If you
> contributed to the document please respond. Alternatively, please feel=
> free to state that you didn't materially contribute to the draft a= nd
> would like your name removed from the contribution section (and moved = to
> acknowledgments after WG adoption).
>
> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer th= e
> above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are=
> aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next<= br> > stage until a response has been received from each author.
>
> NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES= .
>
> If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not list= ed
> as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are<= br> > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from
> participating in any contribution or discussion related to your
> undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed abov= e
> and
> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/= group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty
> <http://trac.tools.ietf.= org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty>.
>
> Thank you,
> NETMOD WG Chairs
>
> PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > response.
>
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<3eaa01cc-40b5-4756-f82a-d5cfc94cf7cc@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2020 09:11:14 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Authenticated-User: bclaise X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 10.55.221.37, ams-bclaise-nitro4.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: aer-core-3.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Regarding IPR on draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2020 08:11:24 -0000 Hi Lou, No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft Regards, Benoit > Hi Qin, > > It's sub-optimal, but sufficient IMO.  Please note you didn't respond > for yourself! > > we're still missing responses from: > > Qin Wu > Benoit Claise > Andy Bierman > > Thanks, > > Lou > > On 12/7/2020 8:46 PM, Qin Wu wrote: >> >> Hi, Lou: >> >> Does forwarding confirmation from the authors to the list count? >> >> I have done this accidentally. If not, I will leave this to my >> coauthors. >> >> -Qin >> >> *发件人:*Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >> *发送时间:*2020年12月8日6:20 >> *收件人:*Qin Wu ; Igor Bryskin >> ; Henk Birkholz >> ; Xufeng Liu >> ; Benoit Claise >> *抄送:*NetMod WG Chairs ; NetMod WG >> >> *主题:*Fwd: Regarding IPR on draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 >> >> Authors, >> >>     My apologies -- I failed to cc the WG on this.  Can you please >> re-reply so that your response make it into the WG archive. >> >> Thank you! >> >> Lou >> >> >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> >> *Subject: * >> >> >> >> Regarding IPR on draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 >> >> *Date: * >> >> >> >> Mon, 23 Nov 2020 18:08:59 -0500 >> >> *From: * >> >> >> >> Lou Berger >> >> *To: * >> >> >> >> Qin Wu , Igor Bryskin >> , Henk Birkholz >> >> , Xufeng Liu >> , >> Benoit Claise >> >> *CC: * >> >> >> >> NetMod WG Chairs >> >> >> >> >> Authors, >> >> Per the 109 session, it is the chairs intent to do another adoption >> call on this draft. In preparation for that, we’ve determined both >> that the draft has changed significantly and that there is a new >> author, and therefore feel it necessary to issue another IPR call, as >> follows: >> >> >> Authors, Contributors, WG, >> >> As part of preparation for WG Adoption: >> >> Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? >> >> Please state either: >> >> "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" >> or >> "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" >> >> If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules >> (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? >> >> If yes to the above, please state either: >> >> "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" >> or >> "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" >> >> If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think >> appropriate. >> >> We note that all DT members are listed as contributors. If you >> contributed to the document please respond. Alternatively, please feel >> free to state that you didn't materially contribute to the draft and >> would like your name removed from the contribution section (and moved to >> acknowledgments after WG adoption). >> >> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the >> above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are >> aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next >> stage until a response has been received from each author. >> >> NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. >> >> If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed >> as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under >> the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are >> aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from >> participating in any contribution or discussion related to your >> undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above >> and >> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty >> . >> >> Thank you, >> NETMOD WG Chairs >> >> PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your >> response. >> > . 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Perhaps you would consider=0A= adding a sentence to describe this as well. The client-server=0A= terminology in the rest of the document covers it already.=0A= =0A= And I do see value in this and support adoption.=0A= =0A= =0A= My take is that the I-D is unclear on what ECA is.=0A= =0A= ECA has been worked on in at least two IETF WG AFAICT. It cropped up in I2= RS but as I recall, it was along the lines of 'This is ECA' 'No It is not'= 'Yes it is' which gave me the impression that ECA is not a well-defined, = or well-understood, term.=0A= =0A= More recently, I2NSF have produced a YANG capability-data-model which is 55= pages of ECA. Lacking a definition in this netmod I-D, I am unclear what = the relationship is between the I2NSF I-D and the netmod I-D, whether or no= t they are using ECA in the same sense.=0A= =0A= Tom Petch=0A= Thanks!=0A= Dhruv=0A= =0A= On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 3:59 AM Lou Berger wrote:=0A= >=0A= > This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for:=0A= >=0A= > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10=0A= >=0A= > Please voice your support or technical objections on list before the end= =0A= > of December 21, any time zone.=0A= >=0A= > Thank you!=0A= >=0A= > Netmod Chairs=0A= >=0A= > PS Note the IPR poll is running concurrently as the private response all= =0A= > indicated that no IPR exists. 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(same for other groupings in that module).=0A= =0A= =0A= Martin,=0A= =0A= I am confused (which is why I will never be a YANG doctor:-(.=0A= =0A= RFC7950 p.104 says=0A= Identifiers appearing inside=0A= the grouping are resolved relative to the scope in which the grouping=0A= is defined, not where it is used. =0A= I recall much debate about paths and their resolution but I cannot find a s= tatement that paths are resolved where they are used in RFC7950, nor in the= many Errata.=0A= And while I find teas-te almost impossible to understand because of how it = is structured, yet=0A= the elements in=0A= type leafref {=0A= path "/te/globals/named-path-constraints/"=0A= + "named-path-constraint/name";=0A= }=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= /martin=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= _______________________________________________=0A= Teas mailing list=0A= Teas@ietf.org=0A= https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas=0A= From nobody Wed Dec 23 04:36:34 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D523A0F44; 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Try again=0A= =0A= From: Teas on behalf of Martin Bj=F6rklund via Data= tracker =0A= Sent: 17 December 2020 18:58=0A= =0A= Reviewer: Martin Bj=F6rklund=0A= Review result: Ready with Nits=0A= =0A= =0A= o Validation=0A= =0A= The module fails YANG validation, but that is really due to errors=0A= in ietf-te@2020-07-12.yang. Specifially, the leafref in the=0A= grouping "path-compute-info" must have prefixes in its path.=0A= Without prefixes, the path refers to nodes in the module that uses=0A= the grouping. (same for other groupings in that module).=0A= =0A= =0A= Martin,=0A= =0A= I am confused (which is why I will never be a YANG doctor:-(.=0A= =0A= RFC7950 p.104 says=0A= Identifiers appearing inside=0A= the grouping are resolved relative to the scope in which the grouping=0A= is defined, not where it is used.=0A= I recall much debate about paths and their resolution but I cannot find a s= tatement that paths are resolved where they are used in RFC7950, nor in the= many Errata.=0A= And while I find teas-te almost impossible to understand because of how it = is structured, yet=0A= the elements in=0A= type leafref {=0A= path "/te/globals/named-path-constraints/"=0A= + "named-path-constraint/name";=0A= }=0A= =0A= would all appear to be in teas-te and not imported from e.g. te-typesin, in= which case prefix are not needed.=0A= =0A= So while I am sure you are right, and this is a significant problem, yet I = cannot see the chapter and verse to back it up.=0A= =0A= In passing, this construct, in teas-yang-path-computation has a history of = YANG difficulties.=0A= =0A= Tom petch=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= /martin=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= _______________________________________________=0A= Teas mailing list=0A= Teas@ietf.org=0A= https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas=0A= =0A= _______________________________________________=0A= netmod mailing list=0A= netmod@ietf.org=0A= https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod=0A= From nobody Wed Dec 23 05:59:32 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0903A0FDC; 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Wed, 23 Dec 2020 08:59:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2020 14:59:21 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <20201223.145921.437198295219717483.id@4668.se> To: ietfc@btconnect.com Cc: netmod@ietf.org, yang-doctors@ietf.org From: Martin =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rklund?= In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mew version 6.8 on Emacs 26.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] grouping prefix Re: [Teas] Yangdoctors early review of draft-ietf-teas-yang-path-computation-11 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2020 13:59:31 -0000 Hi, tom petch wrote: > Sorry about the incomplete e-mail. Try again > = > From: Teas on behalf of Martin Bj=F6rklund vi= a > Datatracker > Sent: 17 December 2020 18:58 > = > Reviewer: Martin Bj=F6rklund > Review result: Ready with Nits > = > > o Validation > = > The module fails YANG validation, but that is really due to errors= > in ietf-te@2020-07-12.yang. Specifially, the leafref in the > grouping "path-compute-info" must have prefixes in its path. > Without prefixes, the path refers to nodes in the module that uses= > the grouping. (same for other groupings in that module). > = > > Martin, > = > I am confused (which is why I will never be a YANG doctor:-(. > = > RFC7950 p.104 says > Identifiers appearing inside > the grouping are resolved relative to the scope in which the group= ing > is defined, not where it is used. > I recall much debate about paths and their resolution but I cannot > find a statement that paths are resolved where they are used in > RFC7950, nor in the many Errata. p. 104 further says: Prefix mappings, type names, grouping names, and extension usage are evaluated in the hierarchy where the "grouping" statement appears. But in this case we have a leafref path w/o prefixes. Section 6.4.1 says: o Names without a namespace prefix belong to the same namespace as the identifier of the current node. Inside a grouping, that namespace is affected by where the grouping is used (see Section 7.13). And 7.13 says: The effect of a "uses" reference to a grouping is that the nodes defined by the grouping are copied into the current schema tree and are then updated according to the "refine" and "augment" statements.= The identifiers defined in the grouping are not bound to a namespace= until the contents of the grouping are added to the schema tree via = a "uses" statement that does not appear inside a "grouping" statement,= at which point they are bound to the namespace of the current module= .= /martin > And while I find teas-te almost impossible to understand because of > how it is structured, yet > the elements in > type leafref { > path "/te/globals/named-path-constraints/" > + "named-path-constraint/name"; > } > = > would all appear to be in teas-te and not imported from > e.g. te-typesin, in which case prefix are not needed. > = > So while I am sure you are right, and this is a significant problem, > yet I cannot see the chapter and verse to back it up. > = > In passing, this construct, in teas-yang-path-computation has a > history of YANG difficulties. > = > Tom petch > = > = > = > = > = > = > = > = > /martin > = > = > = > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > = > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > = > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod From nobody Wed Dec 23 06:30:37 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B06893A1009; Wed, 23 Dec 2020 06:30:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, 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multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000028ee2d05b723070d" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2020 15:06:01 -0000 --00000000000028ee2d05b723070d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 3:14 AM tom petch wrote: > From: netmod on behalf of Dhruv Dhody < > dhruv.ietf@gmail.com> > Sent: 21 December 2020 17:12 > > Hi Lou, WG, > > I find the motivation in the Introduction to be focused on ECA at the > network devices (with all the talk about issues with Centralized > network management). > > I see the value of ECA on the controller as well, say a customer > network controller or an orchestrator can set the ECA on a central > controller (reference ACTN in TEAS WG). Perhaps you would consider > adding a sentence to describe this as well. The client-server > terminology in the rest of the document covers it already. > > And I do see value in this and support adoption. > > > My take is that the I-D is unclear on what ECA is. > > ECA has been worked on in at least two IETF WG AFAICT. It cropped up in > I2RS but as I recall, it was along the lines of 'This is ECA' 'No It is > not' 'Yes it is' which gave me the impression that ECA is not a > well-defined, or well-understood, term. > > More recently, I2NSF have produced a YANG capability-data-model which is > 55 pages of ECA. Lacking a definition in this netmod I-D, I am unclear > what the relationship is between the I2NSF I-D and the netmod I-D, whether > or not they are using ECA in the same sense. > > Hi Tom, It usually helps to agree on the problem-space before focusing on the solution-space. ECA seems like a methodology (ala MVC) more than anything else. The problem statement seems to be that some client tasks need to be handled on the server using ECA methodology, instead of on the client. Which tasks? Seems to be any task of arbitrary purpose or complexity. And now the scope is supposed to include controllers (just another client), so the problem-stmt is even less clear. The traditional approach is to pick specific client tasks to move to the server. The example of detecting and reporting route-flaps has been used. (No ECA example of this complexity has been provided yet). The traditional approach would be to write a route-flap-detection YANG module with some configuration, monitoring data, and notification events. The generalized approach is likely to be extremely complex to standardize and implement. Tom Petch > Andy > Thanks! > Dhruv > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 3:59 AM Lou Berger wrote: > > > > This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 > > > > Please voice your support or technical objections on list before the end > > of December 21, any time zone. > > > > Thank you! > > > > Netmod Chairs > > > > PS Note the IPR poll is running concurrently as the private response all > > indicated that no IPR exists. 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On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 3:14 AM tom p= etch <ietfc@btconnect.com>= wrote:
From: ne= tmod <netmo= d-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.ietf@gmail.com>
Sent: 21 December 2020 17:12

Hi Lou, WG,

I find the motivation in the Introduction to be focused on ECA at the
network devices (with all the talk about issues with Centralized
network management).

I see the value of ECA on the controller as well, say a customer
network controller or an orchestrator can set the ECA on a central
controller (reference ACTN in TEAS WG). Perhaps you would consider
adding a sentence to describe this as well. The client-server
terminology in the rest of the document covers it already.

And I do see value in this and support adoption.

<tp>
My take is that the I-D is unclear on what ECA is.

ECA has been worked on in at least two IETF WG AFAICT.=C2=A0 It cropped up = in I2RS but as I recall, it was along the lines of 'This is ECA'=C2= =A0 'No It is not'=C2=A0 'Yes it is' which gave me the impr= ession that ECA is not a well-defined, or well-understood, term.

More recently, I2NSF have produced a YANG capability-data-model which is 55= pages of ECA.=C2=A0 Lacking a definition in this netmod I-D, I am unclear = what the relationship is between the I2NSF I-D and the netmod I-D, whether = or not they are using ECA in the same sense.


Hi Tom,

It us= ually helps to agree on the problem-space before focusing on the solution-s= pace.=C2=A0
ECA seems like a methodology (ala MVC) more than anyt= hing else.
The problem statement seems to be that some client tas= ks need to be handled on the
server using ECA methodology, instea= d of on the client.=C2=A0
Which tasks? Seems to be any task of ar= bitrary purpose or complexity.
And now the=C2=A0scope is supposed= to include controllers (just another client), so the problem-stmt
is even less clear.

The traditional approach is = to pick specific client tasks to move to the server.
The example = of detecting and reporting route-flaps has been used.
(No ECA exa= mple of this complexity has been provided yet).
The traditional a= pproach would be to write a route-flap-detection YANG module with some
configuration, monitoring data, and notification events.
The generalized approach is likely to be extremely complex to = standardize and implement.
=C2=A0

Tom Petch


Andy
=C2=A0
Thanks!
Dhruv

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 3:59 AM Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net> wrote:
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> This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for:
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wwx= -netmod-event-yang-10
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> Please voice your support or technical objections on list before the e= nd
> of December 21, any time zone.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Netmod Chairs
>
> PS Note the IPR poll is running concurrently as the private response a= ll
> indicated that no IPR exists.=C2=A0 The draft will not be formally ado= pted
> until both the IPR and WG polls are complete.
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Try again=0A= >=0A= > From: Teas on behalf of Martin Bj=F6rklund via=0A= > Datatracker =0A= > Sent: 17 December 2020 18:58=0A= >=0A= > Reviewer: Martin Bj=F6rklund=0A= > Review result: Ready with Nits=0A= >=0A= > =0A= > o Validation=0A= >=0A= > The module fails YANG validation, but that is really due to errors=0A= > in ietf-te@2020-07-12.yang. Specifially, the leafref in the=0A= > grouping "path-compute-info" must have prefixes in its path.=0A= > Without prefixes, the path refers to nodes in the module that uses=0A= > the grouping. (same for other groupings in that module).=0A= >=0A= > =0A= > Martin,=0A= >=0A= > I am confused (which is why I will never be a YANG doctor:-(.=0A= >=0A= > RFC7950 p.104 says=0A= > Identifiers appearing inside=0A= > the grouping are resolved relative to the scope in which the grouping= =0A= > is defined, not where it is used.=0A= > I recall much debate about paths and their resolution but I cannot=0A= > find a statement that paths are resolved where they are used in=0A= > RFC7950, nor in the many Errata.=0A= =0A= p. 104 further says:=0A= =0A= Prefix mappings, type names,=0A= grouping names, and extension usage are evaluated in the hierarchy=0A= where the "grouping" statement appears.=0A= =0A= =0A= But in this case we have a leafref path w/o prefixes.=0A= =0A= Section 6.4.1 says:=0A= =0A= o Names without a namespace prefix belong to the same namespace as=0A= the identifier of the current node. Inside a grouping, that=0A= namespace is affected by where the grouping is used (see=0A= Section 7.13).=0A= =0A= And 7.13 says:=0A= =0A= The effect of a "uses" reference to a grouping is that the nodes=0A= defined by the grouping are copied into the current schema tree and=0A= are then updated according to the "refine" and "augment" statements.=0A= =0A= The identifiers defined in the grouping are not bound to a namespace=0A= until the contents of the grouping are added to the schema tree via a=0A= "uses" statement that does not appear inside a "grouping" statement,=0A= at which point they are bound to the namespace of the current module.=0A= =0A= =0A= Martin,=0A= =0A= Thank you for the comprehensive reply; it is what I would have remembered = until I looked in RFC7950 to check my understanding and read that first sen= tence on p.104 'identifiers are .. resolved' which I took as identifiers be= ing given a prefix and so given global uniqueness; the subsequent sentence= on prefixes, types etc. I am fine with , it is the 'resolved' that made me= doubt my memory. What is 'resolved' in this context?=0A= =0A= Tom Petch=0A= =0A= /martin=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= > And while I find teas-te almost impossible to understand because of=0A= > how it is structured, yet=0A= > the elements in=0A= > type leafref {=0A= > path "/te/globals/named-path-constraints/"=0A= > + "named-path-constraint/name";=0A= > }=0A= >=0A= > would all appear to be in teas-te and not imported from=0A= > e.g. te-typesin, in which case prefix are not needed.=0A= >=0A= > So while I am sure you are right, and this is a significant problem,=0A= > yet I cannot see the chapter and verse to back it up.=0A= >=0A= > In passing, this construct, in teas-yang-path-computation has a=0A= > history of YANG difficulties.=0A= >=0A= > Tom petch=0A= >=0A= >=0A= >=0A= >=0A= >=0A= >=0A= >=0A= >=0A= > /martin=0A= >=0A= >=0A= >=0A= > _______________________________________________=0A= > Teas mailing list=0A= > Teas@ietf.org=0A= > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas=0A= >=0A= > 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(Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2020 16:55:52 +0000 References: <24cf37e7-bd2e-8ffe-d062-cf7bfbce6d2d@labn.net> <01000175f7578c79-564788c9-19ef-49f7-a6a1-f2dd7dd2bb8c-000000@email.amazonses.com> <010001763f51be69-e02919f1-e431-4600-93d5-24e34a54b775-000000@email.amazonses.com> <010001763f5c7952-e9c5e4dc-5b61-4d4a-8d60-880de4288cd7-000000@email.amazonses.com> To: "netmod@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: <010001763f5c7952-e9c5e4dc-5b61-4d4a-8d60-880de4288cd7-000000@email.amazonses.com> Message-ID: <010001769087447c-a2593336-bcb3-4633-9aec-208602ae2dec-000000@email.amazonses.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-SES-Outgoing: 2020.12.23-54.240.8.83 Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Regarding IPR on draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-06 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2020 16:55:56 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_C22FFCA7-FBFF-4140-AA88-07C360A01740 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Another correction, not all authors responded. We=E2=80=99re still = pending a response from Liang. Thanks, Kent > On Dec 7, 2020, at 5:39 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: >=20 > Correction. >=20 > Some authors replied: >=20 > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft=E2=80=9D.= >=20 > While others replied: >=20 > "No, I'm not aware of any non-disclosed IPR that applies to this = draft." >=20 > K. >=20 >=20 >> On Dec 7, 2020, at 5:28 PM, Kent Watsen > wrote: >>=20 >> Thank you, authors. >>=20 >> All authors responded with "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies = to this draft=E2=80=9D. >>=20 >> Kent (as co-chair) >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Nov 23, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Kent Watsen > wrote: >>>=20 >>> Authors, >>>=20 >>> Per the 109 session, it is the chairs intent to do another adoption = call on the "yang-node-tags=E2=80=9D draft. In preparation for that, = we=E2=80=99ve determined both that the draft has changed significantly = and that there is a new author, and therefore feel it necessary to issue = another IPR call, as follows: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Authors, Contributors, WG, >>>=20 >>> As part of preparation for WG Adoption: >>>=20 >>> Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? >>>=20 >>> Please state either: >>>=20 >>> "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" >>> or >>> "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" >>>=20 >>> If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules >>> (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? >>>=20 >>> If yes to the above, please state either: >>>=20 >>> "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" >>> or >>> "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" >>>=20 >>> If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think >>> appropriate. >>>=20 >>> We note that all DT members are listed as contributors. If you >>> contributed to the document please respond. Alternatively, please = feel >>> free to state that you didn't materially contribute to the draft and >>> would like your name removed from the contribution section (and = moved to >>> acknowledgments after WG adoption). >>>=20 >>> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer = the >>> above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you = are >>> aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the = next >>> stage until a response has been received from each author. >>>=20 >>> NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. >>>=20 >>> If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not = listed >>> as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under >>> the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you = are >>> aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from >>> participating in any contribution or discussion related to your >>> undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed = above >>> and >>> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty = . >>>=20 >>> Thank you, >>> NETMOD WG Chairs >>>=20 >>> PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your >>> response. >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> netmod mailing list >>> netmod@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod = >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> netmod mailing list >> netmod@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod --Apple-Mail=_C22FFCA7-FBFF-4140-AA88-07C360A01740 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Another correction, not all authors responded.  We=E2=80=99= re still pending a response from Liang.

Thanks,
Kent


On Dec 7, 2020, at 5:39 PM, Kent Watsen = <kent+ietf@watsen.net> wrote:

Correction.

Some authors = replied:

"No, I'm = not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft=E2=80=9D.

While others = replied:

"No, I'm = not aware of any non-disclosed IPR that applies to this = draft."

K.


On Dec 7, 2020, at 5:28 PM, = Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net> wrote:

Thank you, = authors.

All authors = responded with "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this = draft=E2=80=9D.

Kent (as = co-chair)



On Nov 23, 2020, at 6:01 PM, = Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net> wrote:

Authors,

Per the 109 session, it = is the chairs intent to do another adoption call on the = "yang-node-tags=E2=80=9D draft.  In preparation for that, we=E2=80=99= ve determined both that the draft has changed significantly and that = there is a new author, and therefore feel it necessary to issue another = IPR call, as follows:


Authors,= Contributors, WG,

As part of preparation = for WG Adoption:

Are you aware of any IPR = that applies to drafts identified above?

Please state either:

"No, I'm = not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in = compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3669, 5378 and = 8179 for more details)?

If yes to the = above, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR = has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"
or
"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you = think
appropriate.

We note = that all DT members are listed as contributors.  If you
contributed to the document please respond. =  Alternatively, please feel
free to state that you = didn't materially contribute to the draft and
would like = your name removed from the contribution section (and moved to
acknowledgments after WG adoption).

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please = answer the
above by responding to this email regardless of = whether or not you are
aware of any relevant IPR. This = document will not advance to the next
stage until a = response has been received from each author.

NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO = LINES.

If you are on the WG email list or = attend WG meetings but are not listed
as an author or = contributor, we remind you of your obligations under
the = IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are
aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain = from
participating in any contribution or discussion = related to your
undisclosed IPR. For more information, = please see the RFCs listed above
and
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualPro= perty.

Thank you,
NETMOD = WG Chairs

PS Please include all listed in = the headers of this message in your
response.

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= --Apple-Mail=_C22FFCA7-FBFF-4140-AA88-07C360A01740-- From nobody Wed Dec 23 10:09:02 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7BBE3A00D9; Wed, 23 Dec 2020 10:09:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ucJV29kj2f1W; Wed, 23 Dec 2020 10:08:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from atlas5.jacobs-university.de (atlas5.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FB1C3A00D8; Wed, 23 Dec 2020 10:08:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas5.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12B5B8D; Wed, 23 Dec 2020 19:08:56 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas5.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.198]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id Ar3zhliVuQaD; Wed, 23 Dec 2020 19:08:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "DFN-Verein Global Issuing CA" (verified OK)) by atlas5.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Wed, 23 Dec 2020 19:08:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD9F820156; Wed, 23 Dec 2020 19:08:55 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10028) with ESMTP id KvdNvR-1MNUm; Wed, 23 Dec 2020 19:08:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.218.117]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4429020154; Wed, 23 Dec 2020 19:08:53 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2020 19:08:52 +0100 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Andy Bierman Cc: tom petch , NetMod WG Chairs , NETMOD Group Message-ID: <20201223180852.rnif4ioc3tovvwkv@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Mail-Followup-To: Andy Bierman , tom petch , NetMod WG Chairs , NETMOD Group References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2020 18:09:01 -0000 On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 07:05:44AM -0800, Andy Bierman wrote: > On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 3:14 AM tom petch wrote: > > > From: netmod on behalf of Dhruv Dhody < > > dhruv.ietf@gmail.com> > > Sent: 21 December 2020 17:12 > > > > Hi Lou, WG, > > > > I find the motivation in the Introduction to be focused on ECA at the > > network devices (with all the talk about issues with Centralized > > network management). > > > > I see the value of ECA on the controller as well, say a customer > > network controller or an orchestrator can set the ECA on a central > > controller (reference ACTN in TEAS WG). Perhaps you would consider > > adding a sentence to describe this as well. The client-server > > terminology in the rest of the document covers it already. > > > > And I do see value in this and support adoption. > > > > > > My take is that the I-D is unclear on what ECA is. > > > > ECA has been worked on in at least two IETF WG AFAICT. It cropped up in > > I2RS but as I recall, it was along the lines of 'This is ECA' 'No It is > > not' 'Yes it is' which gave me the impression that ECA is not a > > well-defined, or well-understood, term. > > > > More recently, I2NSF have produced a YANG capability-data-model which is > > 55 pages of ECA. Lacking a definition in this netmod I-D, I am unclear > > what the relationship is between the I2NSF I-D and the netmod I-D, whether > > or not they are using ECA in the same sense. > > > > > Hi Tom, > > It usually helps to agree on the problem-space before focusing on the > solution-space. > ECA seems like a methodology (ala MVC) more than anything else. > The problem statement seems to be that some client tasks need to be handled > on the > server using ECA methodology, instead of on the client. > Which tasks? Seems to be any task of arbitrary purpose or complexity. > And now the scope is supposed to include controllers (just another client), > so the problem-stmt > is even less clear. > > The traditional approach is to pick specific client tasks to move to the > server. > The example of detecting and reporting route-flaps has been used. > (No ECA example of this complexity has been provided yet). > The traditional approach would be to write a route-flap-detection YANG > module with some > configuration, monitoring data, and notification events. > > The generalized approach is likely to be extremely complex to standardize > and implement. > ECA work has a long 20+ year tradition in the IETF and several specifications have been published over the years by various working groups. As far as I can tell, none of them got traction in terms of signifiant deployment of interoperable implementations. I would have hoped that the next iteration of ECA work would have started with a deep reflection about why all the previous attempts failed to gain traction and some genuine insights how to design things differently in order to improve the likelihood to have impact. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Wed Dec 23 17:59:07 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F99D3A0B68 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2020 17:59:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, 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I am not aware of any undisclosed IPR related to this draft.

Best wishes,
Liang Geng

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: netmod = <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> =B4=FA=B1=ED Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@wats= en.net>
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=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [netmod] Regarding IPR on draft-tao-netmod-yang-no= de-tags-06
 
Liang= .

Thanks,
Kent

On Dec 7, 2020, at 5:39 PM, Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net> wrote:

Some authors replied:

= "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft=A1=B1.=

While others replied:

"No, I'm not aware of any non-discl= osed IPR that applies to this draft."

K.


On Dec 7, 2020, at 5:28 PM, Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net> wrote:

All authors responded with "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft= =A1=B1.

Kent (as co-ch= air)



On Nov 23, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net> wrote:
Authors,

Per the 109 session, it is the chairs intent to do another adoption call on= the "yang-node-tags=A1=B1 draft.  In preparation for that, we=A1= =AFve determined both that the draft has changed significantly and that the= re is a new author, and therefore feel it necessary to issue another IPR call, as follows:


Authors, Contributors, WG,

As part of preparation for WG Adoption:

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Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
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If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
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If yes to the above, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules&quo= t;
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If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think
appropriate.

We note that all DT members are listed as contributors.  If you
contributed to the document please respond.  Alternatively, please fee= l
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If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the
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aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next
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participating in any contribution or discussion related to your
undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above
and
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<20201224082431.fkz2fvitsq7r6a26@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Mail-Followup-To: NETMOD Group , Andy Bierman , Alex Clemm , "B. Claise" References: <20201223180852.rnif4ioc3tovvwkv@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20201223180852.rnif4ioc3tovvwkv@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2020 08:24:37 -0000 On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 07:08:52PM +0100, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > > ECA work has a long 20+ year tradition in the IETF and several > specifications have been published over the years by various working > groups. As far as I can tell, none of them got traction in terms of > signifiant deployment of interoperable implementations. > > I would have hoped that the next iteration of ECA work would have > started with a deep reflection about why all the previous attempts > failed to gain traction and some genuine insights how to design things > differently in order to improve the likelihood to have impact. > Let me be a bit more explicit. I would have expected that the senior IETF people mentioned as co-authors or contributors, who are very well familiar with the relevant history (Benoit Claise, Andy Bierman, Alex Clemm), would have explained here (or in the document) why this approach to create an interoperable standard for ECA has potential to succeed given the limited success of the prior attempts. Adopting this work without having answered this question seems premature. If the proponents of this work do not have an answer to this question, the WG will likely not find one either. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Thu Dec 24 01:15:26 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B803A1115 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 01:15:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.887 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.887 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=yumaworks-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hVmv6uMKg6EV for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 01:15:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lf1-x12f.google.com (mail-lf1-x12f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::12f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B7AE13A10E5 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 01:15:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-lf1-x12f.google.com with SMTP id b26so3410952lff.9 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 01:15:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yumaworks-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=R10DRjEOd67GbAIGejbdDeoryIiEMAPqKMjdrnHbzWg=; b=gCu+2k/d/LwnSmUuBK2Dp3FEMKo+gH3L+B4YjAYEV9jFu+Zio2d3lddN66+PeinSTI 6JaxMT+/8MQL7uuYtOTd0nLSpAHemLq2lB3i7GplhpQR4fBuFJ0CpKsq7ObWoGIVG13w ZYdyuP5jGZQKpijCmJoD5ztiJjPp8OY4mqFHsOGl6O4v6+nUxZA7rUtXt6GLKk4WdYa2 BNX/MvgNw6+Za3SaEE0A1V9rtK6848Z7ZoocsrNqA5R8o2/LY1jw9U9ukyiwUANn7vA4 XYkBRz9PaEBLgbjgfjiOOWBdDaagakJbL5vsViOSW7mpDbfHB4FlNqm0YWNXuJ72gJvw qOLg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=R10DRjEOd67GbAIGejbdDeoryIiEMAPqKMjdrnHbzWg=; b=jYVTms3tQR/FXcEWynFD7t9+h5vu7ZgGtYr9MZhGx+fWDXdyC0F/r6r+fOqxlULhdj lQcZtFOHncdKrDq91ltrQYmYzcjoVRxxdzOsYL4ywmt9OiiMZMR9BiK+To8xPu9KTNR/ ruAvJuaxosUKGj89Ri85f2+MdrEMJCokz3I7OafdbHnpbZqLEb8u38phsyOTyZxQOmqo HFJbV/syBo0lIO7EQO/5brqTJ6xaSREfRR8f1IGqBeYEwgtRv03lidxcqiU8uZTw5f4m DAgOGxhJic+ZK6i0feYyydEzEuLb9U5OnrmIxj0e16ALQkVKlHxueeH95oCG6tbebGWP whxQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533iJHsW1SyiKpZdZ5YwNP34nF2/wSVwAp3uA7cWOkXodYYUksLY Y8mNuQEYZJa7AGqXYmG1QP9pzifnXNP3H0y2MyWFXQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy7ktd3WpOgcd+Enhch1P4fnFhsmfauhHvF2WdTFH/QzUAkK3KoKT1z4SZt+u0TZE5S3JCFIOjuHQ6OL0qiJWc= X-Received: by 2002:a05:651c:1342:: with SMTP id j2mr14596169ljb.91.1608801321396; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 01:15:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20201223180852.rnif4ioc3tovvwkv@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> <20201224082431.fkz2fvitsq7r6a26@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> In-Reply-To: <20201224082431.fkz2fvitsq7r6a26@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> From: Andy Bierman Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2020 01:15:10 -0800 Message-ID: To: Juergen Schoenwaelder , NETMOD Group , Andy Bierman , Alex Clemm , "B. Claise" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000046c1c205b7323ffd" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2020 09:15:25 -0000 --00000000000046c1c205b7323ffd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 12:24 AM Juergen Schoenwaelder < j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 07:08:52PM +0100, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > > > > ECA work has a long 20+ year tradition in the IETF and several > > specifications have been published over the years by various working > > groups. As far as I can tell, none of them got traction in terms of > > signifiant deployment of interoperable implementations. > > > > I would have hoped that the next iteration of ECA work would have > > started with a deep reflection about why all the previous attempts > > failed to gain traction and some genuine insights how to design things > > differently in order to improve the likelihood to have impact. > > > > Let me be a bit more explicit. > > I would have expected that the senior IETF people mentioned as > co-authors or contributors, who are very well familiar with the > relevant history (Benoit Claise, Andy Bierman, Alex Clemm), would have > explained here (or in the document) why this approach to create an > interoperable standard for ECA has potential to succeed given the > limited success of the prior attempts. > > Over-engineered and under-specified is not a recipe for success. The IETF used to believe in rough consensus and running code. A YANG module that sort of compiles is not running code. Where are the server implementations of ECA? The solution will not be a success unless the problem, architecture, client interaction model, server implementation strategy, and operator interface are better defined. There has been an incorrect assumption in the past that the massive complexity would be magically hidden from everybody by a super-tool (that never gets written). Adopting this work without having answered this question seems > premature. If the proponents of this work do not have an answer to > this question, the WG will likely not find one either. > > /js > > Andy > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > --00000000000046c1c205b7323ffd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 12:24 AM Juer= gen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote:
On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 07:08:52PM += 0100, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote:
>
> ECA work has a long 20+ year tradition in the IETF and several
> specifications have been published over the years by various working > groups. As far as I can tell, none of them got traction in terms of > signifiant deployment of interoperable implementations.
>
> I would have hoped that the next iteration of ECA work would have
> started with a deep reflection about why all the previous attempts
> failed to gain traction and some genuine insights how to design things=
> differently in order to improve the likelihood to have impact.
>

Let me be a bit more explicit.

I would have expected that the senior IETF people mentioned as
co-authors or contributors, who are very well familiar with the
relevant history (Benoit Claise, Andy Bierman, Alex Clemm), would have
explained here (or in the document) why this approach to create an
interoperable standard for ECA has potential to succeed given the
limited success of the prior attempts.



Over-engineered and und= er-specified is not a recipe for success.
The IETF used to believ= e in rough consensus and running code.
A YANG module that sort of= compiles is not running code.
Where are the server implementatio= ns of ECA?

The solution will not be a success unle= ss the problem, architecture, client interaction model,
server im= plementation strategy, and operator interface are better defined.

There has been an incorrect assumption in the past that the= massive complexity
would be magically hidden from everybody by a= super-tool (that never gets written).


<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l= eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> Adopting this work without having answered this question seems
premature. If the proponents of this work do not have an answer to
this question, the WG will likely not find one either.

/js


Andy
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As far as I can tell, none of them got traction in terms of=0A= > signifiant deployment of interoperable implementations.=0A= >=0A= > I would have hoped that the next iteration of ECA work would have=0A= > started with a deep reflection about why all the previous attempts=0A= > failed to gain traction and some genuine insights how to design things=0A= > differently in order to improve the likelihood to have impact.=0A= =0A= Let me be a bit more explicit.=0A= =0A= I would have expected that the senior IETF people mentioned as=0A= co-authors or contributors, who are very well familiar with the=0A= relevant history (Benoit Claise, Andy Bierman, Alex Clemm), would have=0A= explained here (or in the document) why this approach to create an=0A= interoperable standard for ECA has potential to succeed given the=0A= limited success of the prior attempts.=0A= =0A= Over-engineered and under-specified is not a recipe for success.=0A= The IETF used to believe in rough consensus and running code.=0A= A YANG module that sort of compiles is not running code.=0A= Where are the server implementations of ECA?=0A= =0A= =0A= Yes, my sense is that ECA is a language and although it is rather simple ye= t it requires the complexity of a compiler/interpreter on the box and unles= s the language is kept very simple, for example integer arithmetic only, no= i18n, equality and perhaps greater than tests, then it is too complex. Is= there anything comparable that is likely to be on the boxes already, by wa= y of operator interface or some such? I have not written a compiler and so= do not know what makes it easy, what makes it hard.=0A= =0A= Apologies for the messed up quoting - that is what http/html does to you:-(= =0A= =0A= Tom Petch=0A= =0A= The solution will not be a success unless the problem, architecture, client= interaction model,=0A= server implementation strategy, and operator interface are better defined.= =0A= =0A= There has been an incorrect assumption in the past that the massive complex= ity=0A= would be magically hidden from everybody by a super-tool (that never gets w= ritten).=0A= =0A= =0A= Adopting this work without having answered this question seems=0A= premature. If the proponents of this work do not have an answer to=0A= this question, the WG will likely not find one either.=0A= =0A= /js=0A= =0A= =0A= Andy=0A= =0A= --=0A= Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH=0A= Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany=0A= Fax: +49 421 200 3103 =0A= From nobody Thu Dec 24 04:39:10 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BA633A1214 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 04:39:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=btconnect.onmicrosoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d5Nqg1-tKTtB for ; 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Thu, 24 Dec 2020 07:48:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20201223180852.rnif4ioc3tovvwkv@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> <20201224082431.fkz2fvitsq7r6a26@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> In-Reply-To: <20201224082431.fkz2fvitsq7r6a26@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> From: Andy Bierman Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2020 07:48:13 -0800 Message-ID: To: Juergen Schoenwaelder , NETMOD Group , Andy Bierman , Alex Clemm , "B. Claise" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e9699405b737bcc7" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2020 15:48:28 -0000 --000000000000e9699405b737bcc7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 12:24 AM Juergen Schoenwaelder < j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 07:08:52PM +0100, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > > > > ECA work has a long 20+ year tradition in the IETF and several > > specifications have been published over the years by various working > > groups. As far as I can tell, none of them got traction in terms of > > signifiant deployment of interoperable implementations. > > > > I would have hoped that the next iteration of ECA work would have > > started with a deep reflection about why all the previous attempts > > failed to gain traction and some genuine insights how to design things > > differently in order to improve the likelihood to have impact. > > > > Let me be a bit more explicit. > > I would have expected that the senior IETF people mentioned as > co-authors or contributors, who are very well familiar with the > relevant history (Benoit Claise, Andy Bierman, Alex Clemm), would have > explained here (or in the document) why this approach to create an > interoperable standard for ECA has potential to succeed given the > limited success of the prior attempts. > > Adopting this work without having answered this question seems > premature. If the proponents of this work do not have an answer to > this question, the WG will likely not find one either. > > I do not support adoption of this draft, but do not object if others want to spend time working on it. The current draft is way too complex and not implementable. I suspect many who supported adoption meant they are happy for somebody else to "finish" the draft (but they do not have time for that). IMO this is an area where running code really matters. We should be standardizing the "trailing edge": multiple independent non-standard solutions exist and the IETF creates a "best-hits" standard. We should be avoiding Ivory Tower "leading edge" standards where design teams decide how the world SHOULD work, and there is no running code to back up the theory. Andy /js > > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > --000000000000e9699405b737bcc7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 12:24 AM Juer= gen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote:
On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 07:08:52PM += 0100, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote:
>
> ECA work has a long 20+ year tradition in the IETF and several
> specifications have been published over the years by various working > groups. As far as I can tell, none of them got traction in terms of > signifiant deployment of interoperable implementations.
>
> I would have hoped that the next iteration of ECA work would have
> started with a deep reflection about why all the previous attempts
> failed to gain traction and some genuine insights how to design things=
> differently in order to improve the likelihood to have impact.
>

Let me be a bit more explicit.

I would have expected that the senior IETF people mentioned as
co-authors or contributors, who are very well familiar with the
relevant history (Benoit Claise, Andy Bierman, Alex Clemm), would have
explained here (or in the document) why this approach to create an
interoperable standard for ECA has potential to succeed given the
limited success of the prior attempts.

Adopting this work without having answered this question seems
premature. If the proponents of this work do not have an answer to
this question, the WG will likely not find one either.


I do not support adoption of this draf= t, but do not object if others
want to spend time working on it. = The current draft is way too complex and not implementable.
I sus= pect many who supported adoption meant they are happy for somebody else to = "finish"
the draft (but they do not have time for that)= .

IMO this is an area where running code really ma= tters.

We should be standardizing the "traili= ng edge": multiple independent non-standard solutions
exist = and the IETF creates a "best-hits" standard.

=
We should be avoiding Ivory Tower "leading edge" standards w= here design teams decide how
the world SHOULD work, and there is = no running code to back up the theory.


<= div>Andy



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There appears to be sufficient interest and no = objections. The "node-tags=E2=80=9D draft is hereby adopted. Authors, please resubmit draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-06 as = draft-ieft-netmod-yang-node-tags-00 (or draft-ieft-netmod-node-tags-00, = if you care to shorten the name), so that diffs can be tracked from the = -06 baseline. PS: All IPR responses have been collected. Thank you Liang for getting = yours in. Kent (and Lou) > On Dec 7, 2020, at 5:46 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: >=20 > FYI, this is the second adoption call (the first was in July). =20 >=20 > According to the IPR search page [1], there is one IPR disclosed, [2]. >=20 > [1] = https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-tao-net= mod-yang-node-tags = > [2] https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/4216/ = >=20 > NETMOD Chairs >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Dec 7, 2020, at 5:33 PM, Kent Watsen > wrote: >>=20 >> This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: >>=20 >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-06 = >>=20 >> Please voice your support or technical objections on list before the = end of December 21, any time zone. >>=20 >> Thank you! >>=20 >> NETMOD Chairs >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> netmod mailing list >> netmod@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod --Apple-Mail=_AD935FFF-250E-4039-9933-2A67DDCE59A1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Thank= you all.  There appears to be sufficient interest and no = objections.  The "node-tags=E2=80=9D draft is hereby adopted.

Authors, = please resubmit draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-06 = as draft-ieft-netmod-yang-node-tags-00 = (or draft-ieft-netmod-node-tags-00, if you care to shorten the = name), so that diffs can be tracked from the -06 baseline.

PS: All IPR responses have been collected. =  Thank you Liang for getting yours in.

Kent (and = Lou)



On Dec 7, 2020, at 5:46 PM, Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net> wrote:

FYI, this is the = second adoption call (the first was in July).  

According to the IPR = search page [1], there is one IPR disclosed, [2].
[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3D= draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags
[2] https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/4216/

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On Dec 7, 2020, at 5:33 PM, Kent Watsen <kent+ietf@watsen.net> wrote:

This email begins a 2-week adoption poll = for:


https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tao-netmod-yang-node-tags-06<= /a>

Please = voice your support or technical objections on list before the end of = December 21, any time zone.

Thank you!

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= --Apple-Mail=_AD935FFF-250E-4039-9933-2A67DDCE59A1-- From nobody Tue Dec 29 06:52:34 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A5B03A1419; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 06:52:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netmod@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.24.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netmod@ietf.org Message-ID: <160925354850.2054.1922578376130700045@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 06:52:28 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-node-tags-00.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 14:52:29 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. Title : Self Describing Data Object Tags Authors : Qin Wu Benoit Claise Liang Geng Zongpeng Du Mohamed Boucadair Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-node-tags-00.txt Pages : 26 Date : 2020-12-28 Abstract: This document defines a method to tag data objects associated with operation and management data in YANG Modules. This YANG data object tagging method can be used to classify data objects from different YANG modules and identify characteristics data. It also can provide input, instruction, indication to selection filter and filter queries of operational state on a server during a "pub/sub" service for YANG datastore updates. When the state of all subscriptions of a particular Subscriber to be fetched is huge, the amount of data to be streamed out to the destination can be greatly reduced and only targeted to the characteristics data. These data object tags may be registered as well as assigned during the module definition; assigned by implementations; or dynamically defined and set by users. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-node-tags/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-node-tags-00 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-node-tags-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Dec 29 08:26:19 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96F5C3A145E; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 08:26:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wbce73uTAfob; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 08:26:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta5.iomartmail.com (mta5.iomartmail.com [62.128.193.155]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A81CB3A145C; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 08:26:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from vs1.iomartmail.com (vs1.iomartmail.com [10.12.10.121]) by mta5.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 0BTGQCEl013277; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 16:26:12 GMT Received: from vs1.iomartmail.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by IMSVA (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5300A2203A; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 16:26:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (unknown [10.12.10.248]) by vs1.iomartmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3DBAD2203C; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 16:26:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LAPTOPK7AS653V ([87.113.187.83]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 0BTGQBSV015690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 29 Dec 2020 16:26:11 GMT Reply-To: From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Juergen Schoenwaelder'" , "'Andy Bierman'" Cc: "'NetMod WG Chairs'" , "'NETMOD Group'" References: <20201223180852.rnif4ioc3tovvwkv@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> In-Reply-To: <20201223180852.rnif4ioc3tovvwkv@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 16:26:12 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting Message-ID: <015a01d6ddff$52cd3ef0$f867bcd0$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Content-Language: en-gb Thread-Index: AQH4G/XlI09SZDOTPNsp3ELVxZOuwgHPvgz7AWLjT1oBwI92vQMNubjuqYu7/6A= X-Originating-IP: 87.113.187.83 X-Thinkmail-Auth: adrian@olddog.co.uk X-TM-AS-GCONF: 00 X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.0.1013-25880.001 X-TM-AS-Result: No--22.906-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--22.906-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-Version: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.1013-25880.001 X-TMASE-Result: 10--22.905600-10.000000 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: yebcs53SkkDxIbpQ8BhdbBfqkKQlk1I532Qcsf1K2d7bAr6f9WbDUJo1 rHvDtypAyGMgdhF2S0ysbo0AOo1ZqiCm/GTaigU+9cbOVHWcm5Cpvf+jmz45w+V/LfzZClcZdEa sd1CUyXRS6YbO3F3COKfTmp/aHIwhfw52q9o/7PaXA4Z4r9atc6bsRRaTaNLRmqMg/F8peSRdrb 7MTVw/5YF93zEWyL0KGReniyXxn88UN/8aAzvyJbKe1KMOtvrhpQH4ogtVQP2nw6VQ+/MY/SGUb 2JNxi1qo0hcL4S9vYNINcEedaIvxClNwXDXu2Rw5Qo03mEdwAHnurB9e/dw259xUnxwvxk7wZlV A7hWhrG3xrgEs5sr4TegpzxQ+4FMXrucpiXGgjl+NQIFduF53yB+5dwEzGsu8P4/GgyYnm6UfpE TB+BNo2ekzL9KBY8Km+F4c/a/TS3eWBvTyQS8epKOhFK/JknQi+TAnPnbtthXJ/NTgaKQppAq63 moROMdVRc7ZbW0GkBp6LFJkdwNhzkI+HOa3v3THQ3LRa+7KRynZS/aYgjrziwSWHxGIdT1j89UN KHJMW0iLIGzcdyoX+7+3lrcbVVI7jTtcyq422Y3xCYZDydSGgEoHzC4m9uQ33lGdNqhdtKgQwd/ PXlwGMI/2DcRH6qJCgMiNGxhiY9fX8Kp8nUHGvLHPaGCgb3tTsTCHtXv0Pp/e0B+T50XK5ulYb0 hmdVANprjl1FQE2apF1TAvbxXwmFqPXSLpNdAwrUhv0kAAvFy4VFP6muDhhU7kKEyohZkbj6AD6 L0PYOtjzUaT6pNBZGTpe1iiCJqtD9qpBlNF8pGONWF/6P/CotkBWmEtb9tKrauXd3MZDUMFsa+1 wyh/JRMZUCEHkRt X-TMASE-SNAP-Result: 1.821001.0001-0-1-12:0,22:0,33:0,34:0-0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 16:26:19 -0000 Hi Juergen, What you say about learning lessons from the past is wise and valuable. Sadly (well, it's a good thing, really) we have new people in the IETF and the memory of events over the last 20 years are not immediately accessible to them. Others, who are old and grey, have been around that long but were not necessarily involved in previous ECA discussions. Since "intent-based networking" is a big thing once again (see recent reports of acquisitions in this sector) the excitement about ECA may be forgiven, but it would help to ground the discussions if those who can remember previous efforts would share their experiences or at least some pointers. Best, Adrian -----Original Message----- From: netmod On Behalf Of Juergen Schoenwaelder Sent: 23 December 2020 18:09 To: Andy Bierman Cc: NetMod WG Chairs ; NETMOD Group Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 07:05:44AM -0800, Andy Bierman wrote: > On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 3:14 AM tom petch wrote: > > > From: netmod on behalf of Dhruv Dhody < > > dhruv.ietf@gmail.com> > > Sent: 21 December 2020 17:12 > > > > Hi Lou, WG, > > > > I find the motivation in the Introduction to be focused on ECA at the > > network devices (with all the talk about issues with Centralized > > network management). > > > > I see the value of ECA on the controller as well, say a customer > > network controller or an orchestrator can set the ECA on a central > > controller (reference ACTN in TEAS WG). Perhaps you would consider > > adding a sentence to describe this as well. The client-server > > terminology in the rest of the document covers it already. > > > > And I do see value in this and support adoption. > > > > > > My take is that the I-D is unclear on what ECA is. > > > > ECA has been worked on in at least two IETF WG AFAICT. It cropped up in > > I2RS but as I recall, it was along the lines of 'This is ECA' 'No It is > > not' 'Yes it is' which gave me the impression that ECA is not a > > well-defined, or well-understood, term. > > > > More recently, I2NSF have produced a YANG capability-data-model which is > > 55 pages of ECA. Lacking a definition in this netmod I-D, I am unclear > > what the relationship is between the I2NSF I-D and the netmod I-D, whether > > or not they are using ECA in the same sense. > > > > > Hi Tom, > > It usually helps to agree on the problem-space before focusing on the > solution-space. > ECA seems like a methodology (ala MVC) more than anything else. > The problem statement seems to be that some client tasks need to be handled > on the > server using ECA methodology, instead of on the client. > Which tasks? Seems to be any task of arbitrary purpose or complexity. > And now the scope is supposed to include controllers (just another client), > so the problem-stmt > is even less clear. > > The traditional approach is to pick specific client tasks to move to the > server. > The example of detecting and reporting route-flaps has been used. > (No ECA example of this complexity has been provided yet). > The traditional approach would be to write a route-flap-detection YANG > module with some > configuration, monitoring data, and notification events. > > The generalized approach is likely to be extremely complex to standardize > and implement. > ECA work has a long 20+ year tradition in the IETF and several specifications have been published over the years by various working groups. As far as I can tell, none of them got traction in terms of signifiant deployment of interoperable implementations. I would have hoped that the next iteration of ECA work would have started with a deep reflection about why all the previous attempts failed to gain traction and some genuine insights how to design things differently in order to improve the likelihood to have impact. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 _______________________________________________ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod From nobody Tue Dec 29 10:21:32 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CADB03A0489 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 10:21:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dK4aP-zrsQUC for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 10:21:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pj1-f47.google.com (mail-pj1-f47.google.com [209.85.216.47]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3FC153A0475 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 10:21:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pj1-f47.google.com with SMTP id lj6so1839947pjb.0 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 10:21:27 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=z1eCJkYtAUXvIbDxJ+QrYhG6vS8IL6GP2jq4OJ9ePUs=; b=Ut8wViqY0m9LLpxDcULFtik9RpheFLM4Ecr/nReChgkLro4ZEtRq/afC0ZmcP3JaEq 8N2E9C7vJJRtfkfijLG4oWR5Nj1IoqDrARvEzabGdO+EbhHyRZUPqvlYKOBJGL0VnLXx 7taUWvojbIeAG60ZxTHP/+hPw9CU4xp4bf0p+s2svZ7CmohsedxTuNDAD2aJTk/ErH0O zgCrgI12V9HmELfq59JLOprQkf4zHXWq1FKsmvC5A4gImiw473DA7hTdySQXMmz8vGhP SrXjQLDV/m2D42m9gbwboSi15db7qko528Ugn+O+1CSJRihIcfUUYeIPKGnfq2c1DhCb 3U7g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533gJT37I0cGsmB9DwhlIp9rztOp/88W8CxvBQeM25GsnzPGUghC a9CoIbRuCqfZ97gF3YF2IFLU8Cj4x4v0lA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzhbdD6avNQ3MtBVONzffSu6ctg1qOknpKwDtfVuvCOYotBArCj95l2Hnv8JrdCYthATa6r8w== X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:512:: with SMTP id r18mr4946998pjz.166.1609266087315; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 10:21:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:646:9300:791:b09b:f35a:c324:405d? ([2601:646:9300:791:b09b:f35a:c324:405d]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b72sm39470249pfb.129.2020.12.29.10.21.26 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 29 Dec 2020 10:21:26 -0800 (PST) To: netmod@ietf.org References: <20201223180852.rnif4ioc3tovvwkv@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> <015a01d6ddff$52cd3ef0$f867bcd0$@olddog.co.uk> From: Randy Presuhn Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 10:21:24 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <015a01d6ddff$52cd3ef0$f867bcd0$@olddog.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 18:21:30 -0000 Hi - On 2020-12-29 8:26 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: ... > Since "intent-based networking" is a big thing once again (see recent > reports of acquisitions in this sector) the excitement about ECA may be > forgiven, but it would help to ground the discussions if those who can > remember previous efforts would share their experiences or at least some > pointers. ... E.g. ISO/IEC 10164-19 (ITU-T X.749) immediately springs to mind. A cursory look at my files shows that it was under active development in 1992, but I'm sure the underlying work was older. A few memorable concepts from that work (from my perspective) were: - the need to be able to specify the set of things to which a policy might apply both intensionally and extensionally - distinguishing the formulation of a policy from the formulation of its domain of applicability (in the mathematical sense) and from its configured realm of applicability (jurisdiction) and from the set of instances to which it actually applies at a given moment - recognition that the problem of finding policy conflicts is ultimately equivalent to the halting problem if policies can affect the managed resources, but that conflict detection is still of great practical value I'm sure there's lots more, I've had plenty of time to forget stuff. Randy From nobody Tue Dec 29 10:56:25 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D52043A0803 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 10:56:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zukxkjUCeTOM for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 10:56:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from atlas5.jacobs-university.de (atlas5.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 083CE3A07F7 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 10:56:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas5.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F1B9841; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 19:56:18 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas5.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.198]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id QYbqW_BYpiao; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 19:56:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "DFN-Verein Global Issuing CA" (verified OK)) by atlas5.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 19:56:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C93E20156; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 19:56:18 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10028) with ESMTP id Qw9N6WkPY8Kh; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 19:56:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.218.117]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A2B020154; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 19:56:17 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 19:56:16 +0100 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Adrian Farrel Cc: 'NETMOD Group' Message-ID: <20201229185616.663sqrb7gb4xau37@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder Mail-Followup-To: Adrian Farrel , 'NETMOD Group' References: <20201223180852.rnif4ioc3tovvwkv@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> <015a01d6ddff$52cd3ef0$f867bcd0$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <015a01d6ddff$52cd3ef0$f867bcd0$@olddog.co.uk> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 18:56:24 -0000 Adrian, some key issues when it comes to policy-based management systems: - What is an adequate abstraction level to express policies and intent? This question has no simple answer. I believe policies need to be readable and hence they need to be expressed at a high level of abstraction and in a suitable _language_. High-level policy expression may be compiled down into more verbose primitive representations that are closer to an execution abstraction. A common pitfall is to start somewhere in the middle of several layers of abstraction and then getting stuck with something awkward to put a clean higher layer abstract onto and to compile things down to _efficient_ instrumentations. - Where are policies executed? This can range from a logically centralized policy execution engine, which is part of what people call an orchestrator these days, to fully distributed policy execution models. In reality, you likely want to distribute functions dynamically but this makes solutions technically much more complicated. Given today's scalable computing and networking capabilities, logically centralized solutions are on the rise and have replaced the distributed approaches of the 90s. - When to detect and resolve policy conflicts? Detecting and resolving conflicts in larger collections of policies is non-trivial. This includes problems ranging from micro timescale atomicity issues to larger timescale stability issues (interacting policy control loops). If policy execution is distributed (or the event / information sources are distributed), this ultimately resolves to problems such as taking consistent snapshots or finding ways to work with inconsistent observations of a distributed system that are guaranteed to converge to stable states (self-stabilizing algorithms). - Who is interested in interoperable policy representations / languages? The IETF is about interoperability. What are the business models that push for interoperable policy based management standards? Who benefits from having an interoperable standard and how much effort are organizations willing to invest into engineering a reasonable solution addressing the other (non-trivial) questions raised above? Will they be implementing the solution in their products? My position is that there are way too many difficult technical issues to resolve for this work to be viable for the IETF. Instead, I suggest that people go and work out solutions and once the silver bullet has been found, bring it to the IETF. (Historically, all attempts to cast policies into existing data models such as MIB modules or LDAP schema led to something awkward and unusable. I believe YANG modules are no different.) /js Some relevant RFCs (there may be more): 3052 Service Management Architectures Issues and Review. M. Eder, S. Nag. January 2001. (Format: TXT, HTML) (Status: INFORMATIONAL) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC3052) 3084 COPS Usage for Policy Provisioning (COPS-PR). K. Chan, J. Seligson, D. Durham, S. Gai, K. McCloghrie, S. Herzog, F. Reichmeyer, R. Yavatkar, A. Smith. March 2001. (Format: TXT, HTML) (Status: HISTORIC) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC3084) 3159 Structure of Policy Provisioning Information (SPPI). K. McCloghrie, M. Fine, J. Seligson, K. Chan, S. Hahn, R. Sahita, A. Smith, F. Reichmeyer. August 2001. (Format: TXT, HTML) (Status: HISTORIC) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC3159) 3318 Framework Policy Information Base. R. Sahita, Ed., S. Hahn, K. Chan, K. McCloghrie. March 2003. (Format: TXT, HTML) (Status: HISTORIC) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC3318) 3460 Policy Core Information Model (PCIM) Extensions. B. Moore, Ed.. January 2003. (Format: TXT, HTML) (Updates RFC3060) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC3460) 3644 Policy Quality of Service (QoS) Information Model. Y. Snir, Y. Ramberg, J. Strassner, R. Cohen, B. Moore. November 2003. (Format: TXT, HTML) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC3644) 3198 Terminology for Policy-Based Management. A. Westerinen, J. Schnizlein, J. Strassner, M. Scherling, B. Quinn, S. Herzog, A. Huynh, M. Carlson, J. Perry, S. Waldbusser. November 2001. (Format: TXT, HTML) (Status: INFORMATIONAL) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC3198) 4011 Policy Based Management MIB. S. Waldbusser, J. Saperia, T. Hongal. March 2005. (Format: TXT, HTML) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC4011) 4104 Policy Core Extension Lightweight Directory Access Protocol Schema (PCELS). M. Pana, Ed., A. Reyes, A. Barba, D. Moron, M. Brunner. June 2005. (Format: TXT, HTML) (Updates RFC3703) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC4104) 8328 Policy-Based Management Framework for the Simplified Use of Policy Abstractions (SUPA). W. Liu, C. Xie, J. Strassner, G. Karagiannis, M. Klyus, J. Bi, Y. Cheng, D. Zhang. March 2018. (Format: TXT, HTML) (Status: INFORMATIONAL) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8328) WGs/RGs that at least partially related to policy-based management: - Simplified Use of Policy Abstractions WG (supa) (2015 - 2017) - Policy Framework WG (policy) (1998 - 2004) - Resource Allocation Protocol WG (rap) (1997 - 2005) - Distributed Management WG (disman) (1996 - 2006) - Services Management RG (smrg) (2019? - 2001?) - Network Management RG (nmrg) - draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent (2017-2019) - draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-concepts-definitions-02.txt (2019-2020) Other resources: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Policy-based_management - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_v-of582xg - Boutaba, R. and I. Aib, "Policy-Based Management: A Historical Perspective". Journal of Network and Systems Management (JNSM), Springer, Vol. 15 (4), December 2007. https://doi.org/10.1007/s10922-007-9083-8 - Pavlou, G., "On the Evolution of Management Approaches, Frameworks and Protocols: A Historical Perspective". Journal of Network and Systems Management (JNSM), Springer, Vol. 15 (4), December 2007. https://doi.org/10.1007/s10922-007-9082-9 - Strassner, J., "Policy-Based Network Management: Solutions for the Next Generation", Morgan Kaufmann, December 2003. On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 04:26:12PM -0000, Adrian Farrel wrote: > Hi Juergen, > > What you say about learning lessons from the past is wise and valuable. > > Sadly (well, it's a good thing, really) we have new people in the IETF and > the memory of events over the last 20 years are not immediately accessible > to them. Others, who are old and grey, have been around that long but were > not necessarily involved in previous ECA discussions. > > Since "intent-based networking" is a big thing once again (see recent > reports of acquisitions in this sector) the excitement about ECA may be > forgiven, but it would help to ground the discussions if those who can > remember previous efforts would share their experiences or at least some > pointers. > > Best, > Adrian > > -----Original Message----- > From: netmod On Behalf Of Juergen Schoenwaelder > Sent: 23 December 2020 18:09 > To: Andy Bierman > Cc: NetMod WG Chairs ; NETMOD Group > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 > > On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 07:05:44AM -0800, Andy Bierman wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 3:14 AM tom petch wrote: > > > > > From: netmod on behalf of Dhruv Dhody < > > > dhruv.ietf@gmail.com> > > > Sent: 21 December 2020 17:12 > > > > > > Hi Lou, WG, > > > > > > I find the motivation in the Introduction to be focused on ECA at the > > > network devices (with all the talk about issues with Centralized > > > network management). > > > > > > I see the value of ECA on the controller as well, say a customer > > > network controller or an orchestrator can set the ECA on a central > > > controller (reference ACTN in TEAS WG). Perhaps you would consider > > > adding a sentence to describe this as well. The client-server > > > terminology in the rest of the document covers it already. > > > > > > And I do see value in this and support adoption. > > > > > > > > > My take is that the I-D is unclear on what ECA is. > > > > > > ECA has been worked on in at least two IETF WG AFAICT. It cropped up in > > > I2RS but as I recall, it was along the lines of 'This is ECA' 'No It is > > > not' 'Yes it is' which gave me the impression that ECA is not a > > > well-defined, or well-understood, term. > > > > > > More recently, I2NSF have produced a YANG capability-data-model which is > > > 55 pages of ECA. Lacking a definition in this netmod I-D, I am unclear > > > what the relationship is between the I2NSF I-D and the netmod I-D, > whether > > > or not they are using ECA in the same sense. > > > > > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > It usually helps to agree on the problem-space before focusing on the > > solution-space. > > ECA seems like a methodology (ala MVC) more than anything else. > > The problem statement seems to be that some client tasks need to be > handled > > on the > > server using ECA methodology, instead of on the client. > > Which tasks? Seems to be any task of arbitrary purpose or complexity. > > And now the scope is supposed to include controllers (just another > client), > > so the problem-stmt > > is even less clear. > > > > The traditional approach is to pick specific client tasks to move to the > > server. > > The example of detecting and reporting route-flaps has been used. > > (No ECA example of this complexity has been provided yet). > > The traditional approach would be to write a route-flap-detection YANG > > module with some > > configuration, monitoring data, and notification events. > > > > The generalized approach is likely to be extremely complex to standardize > > and implement. > > > > ECA work has a long 20+ year tradition in the IETF and several > specifications have been published over the years by various working > groups. As far as I can tell, none of them got traction in terms of > signifiant deployment of interoperable implementations. > > I would have hoped that the next iteration of ECA work would have > started with a deep reflection about why all the previous attempts > failed to gain traction and some genuine insights how to design things > differently in order to improve the likelihood to have impact. > > /js > > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Tue Dec 29 12:31:29 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 270223A09A5 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 12:31:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.887 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.887 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=yumaworks-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zNMsn9LggfnO for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 12:31:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lf1-x135.google.com (mail-lf1-x135.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::135]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 89BA43A09A4 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 12:31:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-lf1-x135.google.com with SMTP id o17so33364766lfg.4 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 12:31:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yumaworks-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=P0mTsF5HapFBVlDPQM/em2091gJH260Ag8e3BTCJg0A=; b=q9bhajmdLd7mqZspDlE04FoWOReT94Rwu0aA9s5e5AAWRxL6aHJIfWbCxCmvgsbsyv fAws+oRa4lrzlPmM01uJv+9NpHlpSHlAydwRsWEkMckuelE6TDp9zXJap7n+1JBaFRLY o40zrfKqiG8lbilwqF3H34uiUPXUkB2ZuUb9M7b6tZ0dBT6S9e5vcvB+QoG2mRAKpU1A g9Z26VkQMUjzswkxUBWhUElaLIyt0WnUJu8B7EF4ugQudqyVlO162RTFuJLHzUpGYb+z WlztxmZLg9Y96gQXKVpMiu/DzNJvbDC6pDeo8n1x6XaNCcHU9YGs+oaqJpiGxHN7cJ+d aJbA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=P0mTsF5HapFBVlDPQM/em2091gJH260Ag8e3BTCJg0A=; b=Sj7bH+SARYg+njsJv0UMpFGQPQY0CtjYTSxGeMm+8RnrbAlRZwb/jGDhHUOJR42/i/ gBSB1xKAuBJ+dZWWcMAk3jEjaSHerGOPhT7u8Exy+FzIe1x6rxGCXQplaooPanBD8/dp lCSE8Iys4aSEQzb/r8HAt2cU6vzNZxPZRu7QBUDFB55d+oL6I6009NNHdc0BOoPIcRuF g3P3DDD0wy1VT0wSKmZv++OUOIytbwIzSFtaHEyQ5ImEBEeAgftwRqN2KCvU6xgtLClR VHyqCkq79CJgw1kKm6tngQZ7NHMSU+9UQUrB7Ige2axJ6lHMYjHCKdYIR9Nak1QezVIj 0Fgw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532GZcHWiMxLoRtRtUYjgzCc86UDGJ2cgHIUCvhuBSjJwSq9evoT GHdQwiG8eeaFFb8BIGxZSNlkKNoMhSIDcN4zAUK99g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwz6jyDYoIu1ZUn2/YMaxVayB6H8dwnmWoQ7GNGBikciONMn892rv37zCiBL0FgoZKEqONyJCSJTAr5dClZzyw= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:43c1:: with SMTP id u1mr22270208lfl.38.1609273882403; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 12:31:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20201223180852.rnif4ioc3tovvwkv@anna.jacobs.jacobs-university.de> <015a01d6ddff$52cd3ef0$f867bcd0$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <015a01d6ddff$52cd3ef0$f867bcd0$@olddog.co.uk> From: Andy Bierman Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 12:31:11 -0800 Message-ID: To: Adrian Farrel Cc: Juergen Schoenwaelder , NetMod WG Chairs , NETMOD Group Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001b749705b7a04620" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 20:31:28 -0000 --0000000000001b749705b7a04620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 8:26 AM Adrian Farrel wrote: > Hi Juergen, > > What you say about learning lessons from the past is wise and valuable. > > Sadly (well, it's a good thing, really) we have new people in the IETF and > the memory of events over the last 20 years are not immediately accessible > to them. Others, who are old and grey, have been around that long but were > not necessarily involved in previous ECA discussions. > > Since "intent-based networking" is a big thing once again (see recent > reports of acquisitions in this sector) the excitement about ECA may be > forgiven, but it would help to ground the discussions if those who can > remember previous efforts would share their experiences or at least some > pointers. > > I am not that interested in lessons from the past because it just sounds like an old-timer's negativity. But I am not interested in boiling the ocean either. There is an invalid assumption with ECA that the current client development logic (which is completely unbounded in its complexity, purpose, side effects, design, or server interaction model) can somehow be replaced with a highly constrained YANG model abstraction. IMO a script-language-based solution is needed. The ECA framework is good progress, but Programming in YANG is not. However the IETF is not well-suited for standardizing programming languages Open-Source is a much better solution path for this approach. The solution also has to do a great job of gluing the model components to the ECA logic and actions so there is maximum reusability and scalability. Most importantly, it has to be easy for an operator to program and debug ECA. There aren't going to be any magic tools to hide the complexity. Best, > Adrian > Andy > > -----Original Message----- > From: netmod On Behalf Of Juergen Schoenwaelder > Sent: 23 December 2020 18:09 > To: Andy Bierman > Cc: NetMod WG Chairs ; NETMOD Group > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 > > On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 07:05:44AM -0800, Andy Bierman wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 3:14 AM tom petch wrote: > > > > > From: netmod on behalf of Dhruv Dhody < > > > dhruv.ietf@gmail.com> > > > Sent: 21 December 2020 17:12 > > > > > > Hi Lou, WG, > > > > > > I find the motivation in the Introduction to be focused on ECA at the > > > network devices (with all the talk about issues with Centralized > > > network management). > > > > > > I see the value of ECA on the controller as well, say a customer > > > network controller or an orchestrator can set the ECA on a central > > > controller (reference ACTN in TEAS WG). Perhaps you would consider > > > adding a sentence to describe this as well. The client-server > > > terminology in the rest of the document covers it already. > > > > > > And I do see value in this and support adoption. > > > > > > > > > My take is that the I-D is unclear on what ECA is. > > > > > > ECA has been worked on in at least two IETF WG AFAICT. It cropped up > in > > > I2RS but as I recall, it was along the lines of 'This is ECA' 'No It > is > > > not' 'Yes it is' which gave me the impression that ECA is not a > > > well-defined, or well-understood, term. > > > > > > More recently, I2NSF have produced a YANG capability-data-model which > is > > > 55 pages of ECA. Lacking a definition in this netmod I-D, I am unclear > > > what the relationship is between the I2NSF I-D and the netmod I-D, > whether > > > or not they are using ECA in the same sense. > > > > > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > It usually helps to agree on the problem-space before focusing on the > > solution-space. > > ECA seems like a methodology (ala MVC) more than anything else. > > The problem statement seems to be that some client tasks need to be > handled > > on the > > server using ECA methodology, instead of on the client. > > Which tasks? Seems to be any task of arbitrary purpose or complexity. > > And now the scope is supposed to include controllers (just another > client), > > so the problem-stmt > > is even less clear. > > > > The traditional approach is to pick specific client tasks to move to the > > server. > > The example of detecting and reporting route-flaps has been used. > > (No ECA example of this complexity has been provided yet). > > The traditional approach would be to write a route-flap-detection YANG > > module with some > > configuration, monitoring data, and notification events. > > > > The generalized approach is likely to be extremely complex to standardize > > and implement. > > > > ECA work has a long 20+ year tradition in the IETF and several > specifications have been published over the years by various working > groups. As far as I can tell, none of them got traction in terms of > signifiant deployment of interoperable implementations. > > I would have hoped that the next iteration of ECA work would have > started with a deep reflection about why all the previous attempts > failed to gain traction and some genuine insights how to design things > differently in order to improve the likelihood to have impact. > > /js > > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > --0000000000001b749705b7a04620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


=
On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 8:26 AM Adria= n Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk= > wrote:
Hi J= uergen,

What you say about learning lessons from the past is wise and valuable.

Sadly (well, it's a good thing, really) we have new people in the IETF = and
the memory of events over the last 20 years are not immediately accessible<= br> to them. Others, who are old and grey, have been around that long but were<= br> not necessarily involved in previous ECA discussions.

Since "intent-based networking" is a big thing once again (see re= cent
reports of acquisitions in this sector) the excitement about ECA may be
forgiven, but it would help to ground the discussions if those who can
remember previous efforts would share their experiences or at least some pointers.


I am not that interested in lessons fr= om the past because it just sounds
like an old-timer's negati= vity.=C2=A0 But I am not interested in boiling the ocean either.
=
There is an invalid assumption with ECA that the current cli= ent development logic
(which is completely unbounded in its compl= exity, purpose, side effects, design,
or server interaction model= ) can somehow be replaced with a highly constrained
YANG model ab= straction.=C2=A0

IMO a script-language-based solut= ion is needed.
The ECA framework is good progress, but Programmin= g in YANG is not.
However the IETF is not well-suited for standar= dizing programming languages
Open-Source is a much better solutio= n path for this approach.

The solution also has to= do a great job of gluing the model components to
the ECA logic a= nd actions so there is maximum reusability=C2=A0and scalability.
=
Most importantly, it has to be easy for an operator to progr= am and debug ECA.
There aren't going to be any magic tools to= hide the complexity.


Best,
Adrian


Andy
= =C2=A0

-----Original Message-----
From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Juergen Schoenwaelder
Sent: 23 December 2020 18:09
To: Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com>
Cc: NetMod WG Chairs <netmod-chairs@ietf.org>; NETMOD Group
<netmod@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10

On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 07:05:44AM -0800, Andy Bierman wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 3:14 AM tom petch <ietfc@btconnect.com> wrote:
>
> > From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Dhruv Dhody <<= br> > > dhruv.i= etf@gmail.com>
> > Sent: 21 December 2020 17:12
> >
> > Hi Lou, WG,
> >
> > I find the motivation in the Introduction to be focused on ECA at= the
> > network devices (with all the talk about issues with Centralized<= br> > > network management).
> >
> > I see the value of ECA on the controller as well, say a customer<= br> > > network controller or an orchestrator can set the ECA on a centra= l
> > controller (reference ACTN in TEAS WG). Perhaps you would conside= r
> > adding a sentence to describe this as well. The client-server
> > terminology in the rest of the document covers it already.
> >
> > And I do see value in this and support adoption.
> >
> > <tp>
> > My take is that the I-D is unclear on what ECA is.
> >
> > ECA has been worked on in at least two IETF WG AFAICT.=C2=A0 It c= ropped up in
> > I2RS but as I recall, it was along the lines of 'This is ECA&= #39;=C2=A0 'No It is
> > not'=C2=A0 'Yes it is' which gave me the impression t= hat ECA is not a
> > well-defined, or well-understood, term.
> >
> > More recently, I2NSF have produced a YANG capability-data-model w= hich is
> > 55 pages of ECA.=C2=A0 Lacking a definition in this netmod I-D, I= am unclear
> > what the relationship is between the I2NSF I-D and the netmod I-D= ,
whether
> > or not they are using ECA in the same sense.
> >
> >
> Hi Tom,
>
> It usually helps to agree on the problem-space before focusing on the<= br> > solution-space.
> ECA seems like a methodology (ala MVC) more than anything else.
> The problem statement seems to be that some client tasks need to be handled
> on the
> server using ECA methodology, instead of on the client.
> Which tasks? Seems to be any task of arbitrary purpose or complexity.<= br> > And now the scope is supposed to include controllers (just another
client),
> so the problem-stmt
> is even less clear.
>
> The traditional approach is to pick specific client tasks to move to t= he
> server.
> The example of detecting and reporting route-flaps has been used.
> (No ECA example of this complexity has been provided yet).
> The traditional approach would be to write a route-flap-detection YANG=
> module with some
> configuration, monitoring data, and notification events.
>
> The generalized approach is likely to be extremely complex to standard= ize
> and implement.
>

ECA work has a long 20+ year tradition in the IETF and several
specifications have been published over the years by various working
groups. As far as I can tell, none of them got traction in terms of
signifiant deployment of interoperable implementations.

I would have hoped that the next iteration of ECA work would have
started with a deep reflection about why all the previous attempts
failed to gain traction and some genuine insights how to design things
differently in order to improve the likelihood to have impact.

/js

--
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Phone: +49 421 200 3587=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Campus Ring 1 | 28= 759 Bremen | Germany
Fax:=C2=A0 =C2=A0+49 421 200 3103=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<https://www.jacobs-university.de/>

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Happy New Year's Eve reading = =F0=9F=98=8A Cheers, Adrian -----Original Message----- From: Juergen Schoenwaelder =20 Sent: 29 December 2020 18:56 To: Adrian Farrel Cc: 'NETMOD Group' Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 Adrian, some key issues when it comes to policy-based management systems: - What is an adequate abstraction level to express policies and intent? This question has no simple answer. I believe policies need to be readable and hence they need to be expressed at a high level of abstraction and in a suitable _language_. High-level policy expression may be compiled down into more verbose primitive representations that are closer to an execution abstraction. A common pitfall is to start somewhere in the middle of several layers of abstraction and then getting stuck with something awkward to put a clean higher layer abstract onto and to compile things down to _efficient_ instrumentations. - Where are policies executed? This can range from a logically centralized policy execution engine, which is part of what people call an orchestrator these days, to fully distributed policy execution models. In reality, you likely want to distribute functions dynamically but this makes solutions technically much more complicated. Given today's scalable computing and networking capabilities, logically centralized solutions are on the rise and have replaced the distributed approaches of the 90s. - When to detect and resolve policy conflicts? Detecting and resolving conflicts in larger collections of policies is non-trivial. This includes problems ranging from micro timescale atomicity issues to larger timescale stability issues (interacting policy control loops). If policy execution is distributed (or the event / information sources are distributed), this ultimately resolves to problems such as taking consistent snapshots or finding ways to work with inconsistent observations of a distributed system that are guaranteed to converge to stable states (self-stabilizing algorithms). - Who is interested in interoperable policy representations / = languages? The IETF is about interoperability. What are the business models that push for interoperable policy based management standards? Who benefits from having an interoperable standard and how much effort are organizations willing to invest into engineering a reasonable solution addressing the other (non-trivial) questions raised above? Will they be implementing the solution in their products? My position is that there are way too many difficult technical issues to resolve for this work to be viable for the IETF. Instead, I suggest that people go and work out solutions and once the silver bullet has been found, bring it to the IETF. (Historically, all attempts to cast policies into existing data models such as MIB modules or LDAP schema led to something awkward and unusable. I believe YANG modules are no different.) /js Some relevant RFCs (there may be more): 3052 Service Management Architectures Issues and Review. M. Eder, S. = Nag. January 2001. (Format: TXT, HTML) (Status: INFORMATIONAL) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC3052) 3084 COPS Usage for Policy Provisioning (COPS-PR). K. Chan, J. Seligson, D. Durham, S. Gai, K. McCloghrie, S. Herzog, F. Reichmeyer, R. Yavatkar, A. Smith. March 2001. (Format: TXT, HTML) (Status: HISTORIC) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC3084) 3159 Structure of Policy Provisioning Information (SPPI). K. McCloghrie, M. Fine, J. Seligson, K. Chan, S. Hahn, R. Sahita, A. Smith, F. Reichmeyer. August 2001. (Format: TXT, HTML) (Status: HISTORIC) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC3159) 3318 Framework Policy Information Base. R. Sahita, Ed., S. Hahn, K. = Chan, K. McCloghrie. March 2003. (Format: TXT, HTML) (Status: HISTORIC) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC3318) 3460 Policy Core Information Model (PCIM) Extensions. B. Moore, Ed.. January 2003. (Format: TXT, HTML) (Updates RFC3060) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC3460) 3644 Policy Quality of Service (QoS) Information Model. Y. Snir, Y. Ramberg, J. Strassner, R. Cohen, B. Moore. November 2003. (Format: TXT, HTML) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC3644) 3198 Terminology for Policy-Based Management. A. Westerinen, J. Schnizlein, J. Strassner, M. Scherling, B. Quinn, S. Herzog, A. Huynh, M. Carlson, J. Perry, S. Waldbusser. November 2001. (Format: TXT, HTML) (Status: INFORMATIONAL) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC3198) 4011 Policy Based Management MIB. S. Waldbusser, J. Saperia, T. Hongal. March 2005. (Format: TXT, HTML) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC4011) 4104 Policy Core Extension Lightweight Directory Access Protocol Schema (PCELS). M. Pana, Ed., A. Reyes, A. Barba, D. Moron, M. Brunner. June 2005. (Format: TXT, HTML) (Updates RFC3703) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC4104) 8328 Policy-Based Management Framework for the Simplified Use of Policy Abstractions (SUPA). W. Liu, C. Xie, J. Strassner, G. Karagiannis, M. Klyus, J. Bi, Y. Cheng, D. Zhang. March 2018. (Format: TXT, = HTML) (Status: INFORMATIONAL) (DOI: 10.17487/RFC8328) WGs/RGs that at least partially related to policy-based management: - Simplified Use of Policy Abstractions WG (supa) (2015 - 2017) - Policy Framework WG (policy) (1998 - 2004) - Resource Allocation Protocol WG (rap) (1997 - 2005) - Distributed Management WG (disman) (1996 - 2006) - Services Management RG (smrg) (2019? - 2001?) - Network Management RG (nmrg) - draft-clemm-nmrg-dist-intent (2017-2019) - draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-concepts-definitions-02.txt (2019-2020) Other resources: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Policy-based_management - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DE_v-of582xg - Boutaba, R. and I. Aib, "Policy-Based Management: A Historical Perspective". Journal of Network and Systems Management (JNSM), Springer, Vol. 15 (4), December 2007. https://doi.org/10.1007/s10922-007-9083-8 - Pavlou, G., "On the Evolution of Management Approaches, Frameworks and Protocols: A Historical Perspective". Journal of Network and Systems Management (JNSM), Springer, Vol. 15 (4), December 2007. https://doi.org/10.1007/s10922-007-9082-9 - Strassner, J., "Policy-Based Network Management: Solutions for the Next Generation", Morgan Kaufmann, December 2003. On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 04:26:12PM -0000, Adrian Farrel wrote: > Hi Juergen, >=20 > What you say about learning lessons from the past is wise and = valuable. >=20 > Sadly (well, it's a good thing, really) we have new people in the IETF = and > the memory of events over the last 20 years are not immediately = accessible > to them. Others, who are old and grey, have been around that long but = were > not necessarily involved in previous ECA discussions. >=20 > Since "intent-based networking" is a big thing once again (see recent > reports of acquisitions in this sector) the excitement about ECA may = be > forgiven, but it would help to ground the discussions if those who can > remember previous efforts would share their experiences or at least = some > pointers. >=20 > Best, > Adrian >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: netmod On Behalf Of Juergen = Schoenwaelder > Sent: 23 December 2020 18:09 > To: Andy Bierman > Cc: NetMod WG Chairs ; NETMOD Group > > Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 >=20 > On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 07:05:44AM -0800, Andy Bierman wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 3:14 AM tom petch = wrote: > >=20 > > > From: netmod on behalf of Dhruv Dhody < > > > dhruv.ietf@gmail.com> > > > Sent: 21 December 2020 17:12 > > > > > > Hi Lou, WG, > > > > > > I find the motivation in the Introduction to be focused on ECA at = the > > > network devices (with all the talk about issues with Centralized > > > network management). > > > > > > I see the value of ECA on the controller as well, say a customer > > > network controller or an orchestrator can set the ECA on a central > > > controller (reference ACTN in TEAS WG). Perhaps you would consider > > > adding a sentence to describe this as well. The client-server > > > terminology in the rest of the document covers it already. > > > > > > And I do see value in this and support adoption. > > > > > > > > > My take is that the I-D is unclear on what ECA is. > > > > > > ECA has been worked on in at least two IETF WG AFAICT. It cropped = up in > > > I2RS but as I recall, it was along the lines of 'This is ECA' 'No = It is > > > not' 'Yes it is' which gave me the impression that ECA is not a > > > well-defined, or well-understood, term. > > > > > > More recently, I2NSF have produced a YANG capability-data-model = which is > > > 55 pages of ECA. Lacking a definition in this netmod I-D, I am = unclear > > > what the relationship is between the I2NSF I-D and the netmod I-D, > whether > > > or not they are using ECA in the same sense. > > > > > > > > Hi Tom, > >=20 > > It usually helps to agree on the problem-space before focusing on = the > > solution-space. > > ECA seems like a methodology (ala MVC) more than anything else. > > The problem statement seems to be that some client tasks need to be > handled > > on the > > server using ECA methodology, instead of on the client. > > Which tasks? Seems to be any task of arbitrary purpose or = complexity. > > And now the scope is supposed to include controllers (just another > client), > > so the problem-stmt > > is even less clear. > >=20 > > The traditional approach is to pick specific client tasks to move to = the > > server. > > The example of detecting and reporting route-flaps has been used. > > (No ECA example of this complexity has been provided yet). > > The traditional approach would be to write a route-flap-detection = YANG > > module with some > > configuration, monitoring data, and notification events. > >=20 > > The generalized approach is likely to be extremely complex to = standardize > > and implement. > > >=20 > ECA work has a long 20+ year tradition in the IETF and several > specifications have been published over the years by various working > groups. As far as I can tell, none of them got traction in terms of > signifiant deployment of interoperable implementations. >=20 > I would have hoped that the next iteration of ECA work would have > started with a deep reflection about why all the previous attempts > failed to gain traction and some genuine insights how to design things > differently in order to improve the likelihood to have impact. >=20 > /js >=20 > --=20 > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >=20 --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Tue Dec 29 13:36:00 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B02D13A0AD5 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 13:35:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Pvbc8THge4nc for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 13:35:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pl1-f180.google.com (mail-pl1-f180.google.com [209.85.214.180]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E0CE3A098A for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 13:35:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pl1-f180.google.com with SMTP id j1so7725188pld.3 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 13:35:56 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=yhwf8h8SADcMbjGGM0xVoKnRRIx9D8xil4K0uux2MZs=; b=hTDE/Cb167nlh1dKWfANTb6i3Z7Yz6VVCGN3xl5PFZu3U1FVVJRuhJiHgwkwg53dv5 pDXDq7DNiIuHTW/0tUTFvf2rBSPXgIJyTmCA4r9hP6Yrc1BzoIVnlQb2CI5TMj/uOWzx EuunNki9u7zORqFvqLdXoiOtL60/zB1JIZ/qUmn4ARiCDaiQ5HSCLNffJswl7h7BTKpD TUfwYRwOZM4snKRdU0N6EMNOT9WyZeB5ZsEGrywVw/gr4EtJnIepXHbdmYFDoDJzKiY1 g2+TkYrEAH0dvHMtm4MFeB6uEFAgw+NIJns9ArPPZrEhNSapESAduOOn8iKNZcYluDh2 Zhnw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530bDtvdzMjiBE5Voo4QMHeEDa2prKpFR1FPMdbcXrro9lIJkUN9 gtbcd3NwuzYT1MoQcagYq+3ffS8P+NCB2A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx6To/lGB33RznmS+bLWiKHZKmiqFrO+wNkvY5Y+jfZmW3I2udzkYwhFKXOaG6Nhn5zKM76cA== X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:ff03:: with SMTP id ce3mr5646507pjb.44.1609277755654; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 13:35:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:646:9300:791:b09b:f35a:c324:405d? 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There's a tension between the convenience of scripting languages and the desire to be able to reason about how policies interact, particularly if one is approaching the problem from a perspective of goal-oriented management. To me that suggests that more structured (than mere scripting) mechanisms are needed to to identify what aspects of what resources are inputs or outputs in the operation of a given policy. (That also has the nice side-effect of making policy formulations vastly more re-usable.) For the ISO/ITU work, my recollection is that the direction in which it was headed was to use facilities of the management information model and protocol (e.g. scoping, filtering, allomorphism, attribute re-use, etc.) for the parameterization, but to use scripting for the policy's "body". I don't know if that's how things ultimately turned out; I've been away from the work for decades. If all the semantics, including specification of applicability, are embodied in the script itself, one ends up with something like the script MIB. A potentially useful thing, but not particularly helpful if one's goal is to be able to reason about policy interaction or to formulate things in terms of goals. 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X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: AM7PR07MB6248.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: f30279c7-7e5f-42c1-00f5-08d8acc159cf X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 30 Dec 2020 12:49:30.7662 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: cf8853ed-96e5-465b-9185-806bfe185e30 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: CJ9B/5Mpy19tqUQJqQyc1ZWJpgH2tcscWcMtL6pzfgaGTCHA7rczkliJLWZgDyfq2lxshJL/Hwljf1dwKEXWCA== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AS8PR07MB7061 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 12:49:37 -0000 From: netmod on behalf of Adrian Farrel =0A= Sent: 29 December 2020 16:26=0A= =0A= Hi Juergen,=0A= =0A= What you say about learning lessons from the past is wise and valuable.=0A= =0A= Sadly (well, it's a good thing, really) we have new people in the IETF and= =0A= the memory of events over the last 20 years are not immediately accessible= =0A= to them. Others, who are old and grey, have been around that long but were= =0A= not necessarily involved in previous ECA discussions.=0A= =0A= Since "intent-based networking" is a big thing once again (see recent=0A= reports of acquisitions in this sector) the excitement about ECA may be=0A= forgiven, but it would help to ground the discussions if those who can=0A= remember previous efforts would share their experiences or at least some=0A= pointers.=0A= =0A= =0A= Adrian,=0A= Reading Juergen's post I thought of the work of the DISMAN WG back in 2002/= 2003 which produced MIBs for alarms, events, alarm reporting and such like.= I thought it a great idea which chimed with proprietary work I had seen a= few years earlier but the IETF work seemed not to catch on. Randy was act= ive in that while Juergen could say whether or not it was the kind of thing= he had in mind.=0A= =0A= With hindsight, I suspect that Andy's point about complexity of implementat= ion was a factor.=0A= =0A= Tom Petch=0A= =0A= Best,=0A= Adrian=0A= =0A= -----Original Message-----=0A= From: netmod On Behalf Of Juergen Schoenwaelder= =0A= Sent: 23 December 2020 18:09=0A= To: Andy Bierman =0A= Cc: NetMod WG Chairs ; NETMOD Group=0A= =0A= Subject: Re: [netmod] Adoption poll for draft-wwx-netmod-event-yang-10=0A= =0A= On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 07:05:44AM -0800, Andy Bierman wrote:=0A= > On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 3:14 AM tom petch wrote:=0A= >=0A= > > From: netmod on behalf of Dhruv Dhody <=0A= > > dhruv.ietf@gmail.com>=0A= > > Sent: 21 December 2020 17:12=0A= > >=0A= > > Hi Lou, WG,=0A= > >=0A= > > I find the motivation in the Introduction to be focused on ECA at the= =0A= > > network devices (with all the talk about issues with Centralized=0A= > > network management).=0A= > >=0A= > > I see the value of ECA on the controller as well, say a customer=0A= > > network controller or an orchestrator can set the ECA on a central=0A= > > controller (reference ACTN in TEAS WG). Perhaps you would consider=0A= > > adding a sentence to describe this as well. The client-server=0A= > > terminology in the rest of the document covers it already.=0A= > >=0A= > > And I do see value in this and support adoption.=0A= > >=0A= > > =0A= > > My take is that the I-D is unclear on what ECA is.=0A= > >=0A= > > ECA has been worked on in at least two IETF WG AFAICT. It cropped up i= n=0A= > > I2RS but as I recall, it was along the lines of 'This is ECA' 'No It i= s=0A= > > not' 'Yes it is' which gave me the impression that ECA is not a=0A= > > well-defined, or well-understood, term.=0A= > >=0A= > > More recently, I2NSF have produced a YANG capability-data-model which i= s=0A= > > 55 pages of ECA. Lacking a definition in this netmod I-D, I am unclear= =0A= > > what the relationship is between the I2NSF I-D and the netmod I-D,=0A= whether=0A= > > or not they are using ECA in the same sense.=0A= > >=0A= > >=0A= > Hi Tom,=0A= >=0A= > It usually helps to agree on the problem-space before focusing on the=0A= > solution-space.=0A= > ECA seems like a methodology (ala MVC) more than anything else.=0A= > The problem statement seems to be that some client tasks need to be=0A= handled=0A= > on the=0A= > server using ECA methodology, instead of on the client.=0A= > Which tasks? Seems to be any task of arbitrary purpose or complexity.=0A= > And now the scope is supposed to include controllers (just another=0A= client),=0A= > so the problem-stmt=0A= > is even less clear.=0A= >=0A= > The traditional approach is to pick specific client tasks to move to the= =0A= > server.=0A= > The example of detecting and reporting route-flaps has been used.=0A= > (No ECA example of this complexity has been provided yet).=0A= > The traditional approach would be to write a route-flap-detection YANG=0A= > module with some=0A= > configuration, monitoring data, and notification events.=0A= >=0A= > The generalized approach is likely to be extremely complex to standardize= =0A= > and implement.=0A= >=0A= =0A= ECA work has a long 20+ year tradition in the IETF and several=0A= specifications have been published over the years by various working=0A= groups. As far as I can tell, none of them got traction in terms of=0A= signifiant deployment of interoperable implementations.=0A= =0A= I would have hoped that the next iteration of ECA work would have=0A= started with a deep reflection about why all the previous attempts=0A= failed to gain traction and some genuine insights how to design things=0A= differently in order to improve the likelihood to have impact.=0A= =0A= /js=0A= =0A= --=0A= Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH=0A= Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany=0A= Fax: +49 421 200 3103 =0A= =0A= _______________________________________________=0A= netmod mailing list=0A= netmod@ietf.org=0A= https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod=0A= =0A= _______________________________________________=0A= netmod mailing list=0A= netmod@ietf.org=0A= https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod=0A= From nobody Thu Dec 31 04:46:54 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44E9F3A0B32 for ; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: btconnect.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: AM7PR07MB6248.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: a2de1787-4b44-467b-91aa-08d8ad8a22d5 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 31 Dec 2020 12:46:47.3413 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: cf8853ed-96e5-465b-9185-806bfe185e30 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: DzzPfeYl8N3F8dR4DY3JkP5BNgUf3OrJTQK2xkA219cCZtct18esT1jQgC1a0nN/R+AoscBR0wzLHd3HAvBcxw== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM6PR07MB4134 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Fw: grouping when X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 12:46:52 -0000 From: netmod on behalf of tom petch =0A= Sent: 24 December 2020 12:38=0A= =0A= I have answered my own question. I had a thought as I dropped off to sleep= on December 24th, resisted the temptation to follow it up until this week = and have now seen how and where grid-type is defined. I had to look at the= YANG modules in five I-D/RFC and pursue grouping/uses nested to a depth of= eight. Complex. It reminds me of when I used to maintain system code and= developed a clear sense of code that was easy to maintain and code that w= as hard to maintain, where mistakes were more likely. I would put this as = beyond hard, that tracking down 'grid-type' is a good exercise for anyone w= ondering how good there YANG skills are (with a time limit of an hour:-)=0A= =0A= Martin recently identified a flaw in one of those five I-D/RFC and while th= e flaw is not germane to my challenge, yet I see the underlying complexity = as a common thread.=0A= =0A= Tom Petch=0A= =0A= =0A= Try again=0A= ________________________________________=0A= From: tom petch=0A= Sent: 24 December 2020 12:34=0A= =0A= I wonder if you can help me with a when in a grouping; where does grid-type= in when come from below?=0A= =0A= ccamp-wson-27 has (slightly edited)=0A= augment "/nw:networks/nw:network/nw:node/tet:te/"=0A= + "tet:te-node-attributes/tet:connectivity-matrices/tet:label-restrictions/= "=0A= + "tet:label-restriction/tet:label-step/tet:technology" {=0A= when "../../../../../../../nw:network-types/tet:te-topology/"=0A= + "wson:wson-topology" {=0A= description ...";=0A= }=0A= description ...";=0A= case wson {=0A= uses l0-types:wson-label-step;=0A= }=0A= }=0A= =0A= with a tree diagram=0A= augment /nw:networks/nw:network/nw:node/tet:te=0A= /tet:te-node-attributes/tet:connectivity-matrices/tet:connectivity-matrix/= tet:from/tet:label-restrictions=0A= /tet:label-restriction/tet:label-step/tet:technology:=0A= +--:(wson)=0A= +--rw (l0-grid-type)?=0A= +--:(dwdm)=0A= | +--rw wson-dwdm-channel-spacing? identityref=0A= +--:(cwdm)=0A= +--rw wson-cwdm-channel-spacing? identityref=0A= =0A= =0A= while l0-types has=0A= grouping wson-label-step {=0A= description "Label step information for WSON";=0A= choice l0-grid-type {=0A= description "Grid type: DWDM, CWDM, etc.";=0A= case dwdm {=0A= leaf wson-dwdm-channel-spacing {=0A= when 'derived-from-or-self(../../grid-type,=0A= "wson-grid-dwdm")'=0A= {=0A= description "Valid only when grid type is DWDM.";=0A= }=0A= type identityref {=0A= base dwdm-ch-spc-type;=0A= }=0A= description ...";=0A= reference ... ";=0A= }=0A= }=0A= case cwdm {=0A= .......=0A= =0A= Tom Petch=0A= =0A= _______________________________________________=0A= netmod mailing list=0A= netmod@ietf.org=0A= https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod=0A=