From nobody Mon Oct 4 08:50:12 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A53B3A0907; Mon, 4 Oct 2021 08:50:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qv5B_g0RVNdc; Mon, 4 Oct 2021 08:49:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:32::15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B27B3A0902; Mon, 4 Oct 2021 08:49:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p5089a8ac.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.168.172]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4HNQC53Ssvz2xNV; Mon, 4 Oct 2021 17:49:53 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <19793_1633347247_615AE6AF_19793_6_1_787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B933035411886@OPEXCAUBMA2.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 17:49:53 +0200 Cc: Francesca Palombini , The IESG , "draft-ietf-opsawg-l3sm-l3nm@ietf.org" , "opsawg-chairs@ietf.org" , "opsawg@ietf.org" , netmod@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 655055392.833166-a17aa4d05219a63945ea50dccdbbda58 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <163334468972.18138.713043180569507281@ietfa.amsl.com> <19793_1633347247_615AE6AF_19793_6_1_787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B933035411886@OPEXCAUBMA2.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> To: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] [OPSAWG] Francesca Palombini's Discuss on draft-ietf-opsawg-l3sm-l3nm-16: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2021 15:50:04 -0000 On 2021-10-04, at 13:34, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com wrote: >=20 > bytes per second (bps), Whoa. I know that the IETF doesn=E2=80=99t usually care about precision in = these things, but =E2=80=9Cbps=E2=80=9D is kitchen slang for = =E2=80=9Cbit/s=E2=80=9D, so this is very confusing. (Given that we have done the work in RFC 8428 and 8798, I=E2=80=99d = rather see that we use it, instead of creating more confusion at each = further step. We do have ms and B/s in RFC 8798, because people using SenML asked for = that.) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Mon Oct 4 10:06:05 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E6E53A09E5; Mon, 4 Oct 2021 10:05:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IESG Secretary To: "IETF-Announce" Cc: netmod@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.38.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <163336715141.9404.7555016924625751430@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2021 10:05:51 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] Network Modeling (netmod) WG Virtual Meeting: 2021-10-12 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2021 17:05:59 -0000 The Network Modeling (netmod) WG will hold a virtual interim meeting on 2021-10-12 from 10:00 to 12:00 America/New_York (14:00 to 16:00 UTC). 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Information about remote participation: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=mf0cca6ee36dd3c9cb9e78b2f47696534 From nobody Mon Oct 4 11:25:56 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7173A0AB0; Mon, 4 Oct 2021 11:25:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Murray Kucherawy via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format@ietf.org, netmod-chairs@ietf.org, netmod@ietf.org, Kent Watsen X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.38.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Murray Kucherawy Message-ID: <163337193567.16247.16986222138590366273@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2021 11:25:35 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] Murray Kucherawy's No Objection on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-19: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2021 18:25:36 -0000 Murray Kucherawy has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-19: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/blog/handling-iesg-ballot-positions/ for more information about how to handle DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The shepherd writeup is incomplete with respect to the first question. All of the SHOULDs in Section 2 leave me wondering under what conditions one might legitimately deviate from what they are saying. Since SHOULD offers a choice, I recommend making this more clear. 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gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4HNpWQ1wdXz2xgD; Tue, 5 Oct 2021 09:05:22 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.13\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <29453_1633413746_615BEA72_29453_27_1_787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B9330354134E2@OPEXCAUBMA2.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 09:05:21 +0200 Cc: Francesca Palombini , The IESG , "draft-ietf-opsawg-l3sm-l3nm@ietf.org" , "opsawg-chairs@ietf.org" , "opsawg@ietf.org" , "netmod@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <18E6E571-F161-4E00-9E37-B3952273E872@tzi.org> References: <163334468972.18138.713043180569507281@ietfa.amsl.com> <19793_1633347247_615AE6AF_19793_6_1_787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B933035411886@OPEXCAUBMA2.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <29453_1633413746_615BEA72_29453_27_1_787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B9330354134E2@OPEXCAUBMA2.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> To: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] [OPSAWG] Francesca Palombini's Discuss on draft-ietf-opsawg-l3sm-l3nm-16: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2021 07:05:35 -0000 Hi Med, > I confirm that what I meant is "bits per second" to align with = rfc8299#6.12.1. Ah. > I'm actually for more explicit units similar to what we are using in = another active spec:=20 As long as there is this confusion in YANG units, that is the only way = that makes sense. One little tweak I=E2=80=99d have for that spec: > =3D=3D > enum bit-ps { > value 2; > description > "Bits per Second (bit/s)."; > } > enum byte-ps { > value 3; > description > "Bytes per second (Byte/s)."; Maybe use the actual ISO/IEC 80000 notation here: B/s. (For those that don=E2=80=99t know how ISO/IEC 80000 allocates =E2=80=9CB=E2= =80=9D for byte, the legend =E2=80=9CBytes per second=E2=80=9D is = unambiguous.) > } > =3D=3D >=20 > However, we are in a territory where we are trying to map as much to = the above service model and hence use the same labels for the units. >=20 > FWIW, RFC8466 used to have the following: >=20 > =3D > leaf pbs { > type uint64; > units "bps"; > description > "Peak Burst Size. It is measured in bytes per > second."; > } > =3D >=20 > ...which is weird. This is really errata land, as =E2=80=9Cbps=E2=80=9D is used as the = kitchen slang for =E2=80=9Cbit/s=E2=80=9D in all other cases (along with = =E2=80=9Cmbps=E2=80=9D for Mbit/s, shudder). > This is why we don't blindly inherit that draft-ietf-opsawg-l2nm and = went for the following:=20 >=20 > leaf pbs { > type uint64; > units "bytes per second"; > description > "Peak Burst Size."; > } I think this would also benefit from =E2=80=9CBytes per Second (B/s)=E2=80= =9D. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >=20 > Cheers, > Med >=20 >> -----Message d'origine----- >> De : Carsten Bormann >> Envoy=C3=A9 : lundi 4 octobre 2021 17:50 >> =C3=80 : BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET >> Cc : Francesca Palombini ; The IESG >> ; draft-ietf-opsawg-l3sm-l3nm@ietf.org; opsawg- >> chairs@ietf.org; opsawg@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org >> Objet : Re: [OPSAWG] Francesca Palombini's Discuss on = draft-ietf-opsawg- >> l3sm-l3nm-16: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) >>=20 >> On 2021-10-04, at 13:34, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com wrote: >>>=20 >>> bytes per second (bps), >>=20 >> Whoa. >>=20 >> I know that the IETF doesn=E2=80=99t usually care about precision in = these things, >> but =E2=80=9Cbps=E2=80=9D is kitchen slang for =E2=80=9Cbit/s=E2=80=9D,= so this is very confusing. >>=20 >> (Given that we have done the work in RFC 8428 and 8798, I=E2=80=99d = rather see >> that we use it, instead of creating more confusion at each further = step. >> We do have ms and B/s in RFC 8798, because people using SenML asked = for >> that.) >>=20 >> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >=20 >=20 > = __________________________________________________________________________= _______________________________________________ >=20 > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations = confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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(Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/blog/handling-iesg-ballot-positions/ > for more information about how to handle DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The shepherd writeup is incomplete with respect to the first question. > > All of the SHOULDs in Section 2 leave me wondering under what conditions one > might legitimately deviate from what they are saying. Since SHOULD offers a > choice, I recommend making this more clear. The draft mentions some SHOULD related to the file name.     Ex: The name of the instance data file SHOULD be of the form: For those SHOULD, we followed the RFC 7950, https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7950#section-5.2, which also used SHOULD For this instance ... To properly understand and use an instance data set, the user needs to know the content-schema. One of the following methods SHOULD be used: ... I don't recall why we have a SHOULD here. History I guess. A MUST seems more appropriate and we propose to change to a MUST. Regards, Benoit --------------CEBFADC4567E32D3E6BF1B87 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Murray,

On 10/4/2021 8:25 PM, Murray Kucherawy via Datatracker wrote:
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draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-19: No Objection

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The shepherd writeup is incomplete with respect to the first question.

All of the SHOULDs in Section 2 leave me wondering under what conditions one
might legitimately deviate from what they are saying.  Since SHOULD offers a
choice, I recommend making this more clear.
The draft mentions some SHOULD related to the file name.
    Ex: The name of the instance data file SHOULD be of the form:
For those SHOULD, we followed the RFC 7950, https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7950#section-5.2, which also used SHOULD

For this instance ...
    To properly understand and use an instance data set, the user needs to know the content-schema. One of the following methods SHOULD be used:
... I don't recall why we have a SHOULD here. History I guess.
A MUST seems more appropriate and we propose to change to a MUST.

Regards, Benoit

--------------CEBFADC4567E32D3E6BF1B87-- From nobody Tue Oct 5 04:27:33 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B07693A0768; Tue, 5 Oct 2021 04:27:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke_via_Datatracker?= To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format@ietf.org, netmod-chairs@ietf.org, netmod@ietf.org, Kent Watsen , kent+ietf@watsen.net X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.38.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke?= Message-ID: <163343324395.23756.12988206193855927489@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2021 04:27:24 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-ie?= =?utf-8?q?tf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-19=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2021 11:27:26 -0000 Éric Vyncke has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-19: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/blog/handling-iesg-ballot-positions/ for more information about how to handle DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for the work put into this document. Please find below some non-blocking COMMENT points (but replies would be appreciated even if only for my own education), and some nits. I hope that this helps to improve the document, Regards, -éric == COMMENTS == Generic comment about the use of the word "file" (which means an object in a file system for me) rather than something more generic (no suggestion to offer though) ? -- Section 1 -- The first 2 sentences are quite repetitive. Is it about "offline delivery" or "exchange" ? At this point of reading the document, it is still unclear in my mind what it is about... The rest of the I-D made it clear. Unclear which UC is either implemented or potential (even with the appendix); could also add forward references to the appendix UC). Should the implementation(s) be referenced if they are public ? -- Section 1.1 -- Unsure why a "data set" should be named? The choice of words does not seem the best fit (even though if I have no suggestions). -- Section 2 -- Like some other ADs, I wonder why "The context data part MUST... except" is not a "SHOULD" as there are exceptions. What is the expected behaviour when the timestamp in the filename does not match the meta data ? -- Section 2.1 -- There is a "SHOULD" so when are exceptions/deviations acceptable ? The description of "simplified" is really too simple ;-) I would also appreciate that the order of the list matches the following sub-sections order. Thank you for using RFC 8792. -- Section 4 -- Did the authors think about adding the party creating the file and adding an optional signature in the file itself? == NITS == -- Section 1 -- The first 2 sentences are quite repetitive. Missing "." At the end of the 1st § Why is "Factory Default Setting" capitalised ? -- Section 1.2 -- Why using the future tense "shall be" rather than "are" ? -- Section 2.1.1 and others -- Suggest to warn the reader that the examples are further in the text in a different section. -- Section 6 -- A "," is missing. 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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Carsten for noticing this! I did overlook completely that bps was be= ing used as bytes per seconds=85 Thanks Med for clarifying in this document= and for opening errata https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid6703 . The OPS= ADs are on it, I am sure. Francesca From: Carsten Bormann Date: Tuesday, 5 October 2021 at 09:05 To: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com Cc: Francesca Palombini , The IESG , draft-ietf-opsawg-l3sm-l3nm@ietf.org , opsawg-chairs@ietf.org , opsawg@ietf.o= rg , netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Francesca Palombini's Discuss on draft-ietf-opsawg-l3= sm-l3nm-16: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) Hi Med, > I confirm that what I meant is "bits per second" to align with rfc8299#6.= 12.1. Ah. > I'm actually for more explicit units similar to what we are using in anot= her active spec: As long as there is this confusion in YANG units, that is the only way that= makes sense. One little tweak I=92d have for that spec: > =3D=3D > enum bit-ps { > value 2; > description > "Bits per Second (bit/s)."; > } > enum byte-ps { > value 3; > description > "Bytes per second (Byte/s)."; Maybe use the actual ISO/IEC 80000 notation here: B/s. (For those that don=92t know how ISO/IEC 80000 allocates =93B=94 for byte, = the legend =93Bytes per second=94 is unambiguous.) > } > =3D=3D > > However, we are in a territory where we are trying to map as much to the = above service model and hence use the same labels for the units. > > FWIW, RFC8466 used to have the following: > > =3D > leaf pbs { > type uint64; > units "bps"; > description > "Peak Burst Size. It is measured in bytes per > second."; > } > =3D > > ...which is weird. This is really errata land, as =93bps=94 is used as the kitchen slang for = =93bit/s=94 in all other cases (along with =93mbps=94 for Mbit/s, shudder). > This is why we don't blindly inherit that draft-ietf-opsawg-l2nm and went= for the following: > > leaf pbs { > type uint64; > units "bytes per second"; > description > "Peak Burst Size."; > } I think this would also benefit from =93Bytes per Second (B/s)=94. Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten > > Cheers, > Med > >> -----Message d'origine----- >> De : Carsten Bormann >> Envoy=E9 : lundi 4 octobre 2021 17:50 >> =C0 : BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET >> Cc : Francesca Palombini ; The IESG >> ; draft-ietf-opsawg-l3sm-l3nm@ietf.org; opsawg- >> chairs@ietf.org; opsawg@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org >> Objet : Re: [OPSAWG] Francesca Palombini's Discuss on draft-ietf-opsawg- >> l3sm-l3nm-16: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) >> >> On 2021-10-04, at 13:34, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com wrote: >>> >>> bytes per second (bps), >> >> Whoa. >> >> I know that the IETF doesn=92t usually care about precision in these thi= ngs, >> but =93bps=94 is kitchen slang for =93bit/s=94, so this is very confusin= g. >> >> (Given that we have done the work in RFC 8428 and 8798, I=92d rather see >> that we use it, instead of creating more confusion at each further step. >> We do have ms and B/s in RFC 8798, because people using SenML asked for >> that.) >> >> Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten > > > _________________________________________________________________________= ________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confid= entielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Thanks Ca= rsten for noticing this! I did overlook completely that bps was being used = as bytes per seconds=85 Thanks Med for clarifying in this document and for = opening errata https://www.rfc-edito= r.org/errata/eid6703 . The OPS ADs are on it, I am sure.

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Francesca=

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From: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
Date: Tuesday, 5 October 2021 at 09:05
To: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>= ;
Cc: Francesca Palombini <francesca.palombini@ericsson.com>, Th= e IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, draft-ietf-opsawg-l3sm-l3nm@ietf.org <draf= t-ietf-opsawg-l3sm-l3nm@ietf.org>, opsawg-chairs@ietf.org <opsawg-cha= irs@ietf.org>, opsawg@ietf.org <opsawg@ietf.org>, netmod@ietf.org <netmod@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Francesca Palombini's Discuss on draft-ietf-op= sawg-l3sm-l3nm-16: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Hi Med,

> I confirm that what I meant is "bits per second" to align wi= th rfc8299#6.12.1.

Ah.

> I'm actually for more explicit units similar to what we are using in a= nother active spec:

As long as there is this confusion in YANG units, that is the only way that= makes sense.
One little tweak I=92d have for that spec:

> =3D=3D
>      enum bit-ps {
>        value 2;
>        description
>          "Bits per S= econd (bit/s).";
>      }
>      enum byte-ps {
>        value 3;
>        description
>          "Bytes per = second (Byte/s).";

Maybe use the actual ISO/IEC 80000 notation here: B/s.
(For those that don=92t know how ISO/IEC 80000 allocates =93B=94 for byte, = the legend =93Bytes per second=94 is unambiguous.)

>      }
> =3D=3D
>
> However, we are in a territory where we are trying to map as much to t= he above service model and hence use the same labels for the units.
>
> FWIW, RFC8466 used to have the following:
>
> =3D
>            = ;      leaf pbs {
>            = ;        type uint64;
>            = ;        units "bps";
>            = ;        description
>            = ;          "Peak Burst Si= ze.  It is measured in bytes per
>            = ;           second."= ;
>            = ;      }
> =3D
>
> ...which is weird.

This is really errata land, as =93bps=94 is used as the kitchen slang for = =93bit/s=94 in all other cases (along with =93mbps=94 for Mbit/s, shudder).=

> This is why we don't blindly inherit that draft-ietf-opsawg-l2nm and w= ent for the following:
>
>            = ;          leaf pbs {
>            = ;            type ui= nt64;
>            = ;            units &= quot;bytes per second";
>            = ;            descrip= tion
>            = ;            &n= bsp; "Peak Burst Size.";
>            = ;          }

I think this would also benefit from =93Bytes per Second (B/s)=94.

Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten

>
> Cheers,
> Med
>
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
>> Envoy=E9 : lundi 4 octobre 2021 17:50
>> =C0 : BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com= >
>> Cc : Francesca Palombini <francesca.palombini@ericsson.com>;= The IESG
>> <iesg@ietf.org>; draft-ietf-opsawg-l3sm-l3nm@ietf.org; opsaw= g-
>> chairs@ietf.org; opsawg@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org
>> Objet : Re: [OPSAWG] Francesca Palombini's Discuss on draft-ietf-o= psawg-
>> l3sm-l3nm-16: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
>>
>> On 2021-10-04, at 13:34, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com wrote:
>>>
>>> bytes per second (bps),
>>
>> Whoa.
>>
>> I know that the IETF doesn=92t usually care about precision in the= se things,
>> but =93bps=94 is kitchen slang for =93bit/s=94, so this is very co= nfusing.
>>
>> (Given that we have done the work in RFC 8428 and 8798, I=92d rath= er see
>> that we use it, instead of creating more confusion at each further= step.
>> We do have ms and B/s in RFC 8798, because people using SenML aske= d for
>> that.)
>>
>> Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten
>
>
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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Carsten & Med, Thanks for raising this. I agree with the errata, but this will need to be= hold for doc update, because we cannot create a different revision of a YA= NG module through the errata process. Thanks, Rob From: iesg On Behalf Of Francesca Palombini Sent: 05 October 2021 15:12 To: Carsten Bormann ; mohamed.boucadair@orange.com Cc: draft-ietf-opsawg-l3sm-l3nm@ietf.org; opsawg@ietf.org; opsawg-chairs@ie= tf.org; The IESG ; netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Francesca Palombini's Discuss on draft-ietf-opsawg-l3= sm-l3nm-16: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) Thanks Carsten for noticing this! I did overlook completely that bps was be= ing used as bytes per seconds... Thanks Med for clarifying in this document= and for opening errata https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid6703 . The OPS= ADs are on it, I am sure. Francesca From: Carsten Bormann > Date: Tuesday, 5 October 2021 at 09:05 To: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > Cc: Francesca Palombini >, The IESG >, d= raft-ietf-opsawg-l3sm-l3nm@ietf.org >, opsawg-chairs@ietf.org >, opsawg@ietf.org >, netmod@ietf.org= > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Francesca Palombini's Discuss on draft-ietf-opsawg-l3= sm-l3nm-16: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) Hi Med, > I confirm that what I meant is "bits per second" to align with rfc8299#6.= 12.1. Ah. > I'm actually for more explicit units similar to what we are using in anot= her active spec: As long as there is this confusion in YANG units, that is the only way that= makes sense. One little tweak I'd have for that spec: > =3D=3D > enum bit-ps { > value 2; > description > "Bits per Second (bit/s)."; > } > enum byte-ps { > value 3; > description > "Bytes per second (Byte/s)."; Maybe use the actual ISO/IEC 80000 notation here: B/s. (For those that don't know how ISO/IEC 80000 allocates "B" for byte, the le= gend "Bytes per second" is unambiguous.) > } > =3D=3D > > However, we are in a territory where we are trying to map as much to the = above service model and hence use the same labels for the units. > > FWIW, RFC8466 used to have the following: > > =3D > leaf pbs { > type uint64; > units "bps"; > description > "Peak Burst Size. It is measured in bytes per > second."; > } > =3D > > ...which is weird. This is really errata land, as "bps" is used as the kitchen slang for "bit/= s" in all other cases (along with "mbps" for Mbit/s, shudder). > This is why we don't blindly inherit that draft-ietf-opsawg-l2nm and went= for the following: > > leaf pbs { > type uint64; > units "bytes per second"; > description > "Peak Burst Size."; > } I think this would also benefit from "Bytes per Second (B/s)". Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten > > Cheers, > Med > >> -----Message d'origine----- >> De : Carsten Bormann > >> Envoy=E9 : lundi 4 octobre 2021 17:50 >> =C0 : BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET > >> Cc : Francesca Palombini >; The IESG >> >; draft-ietf-opsawg-l3sm-l3nm@ietf.= org; opsawg- >> chairs@ietf.org; opsawg@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org >> Objet : Re: [OPSAWG] Francesca Palombini's Discuss on draft-ietf-opsawg- >> l3sm-l3nm-16: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) >> >> On 2021-10-04, at 13:34, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com wrote: >>> >>> bytes per second (bps), >> >> Whoa. >> >> I know that the IETF doesn't usually care about precision in these thing= s, >> but "bps" is kitchen slang for "bit/s", so this is very confusing. >> >> (Given that we have done the work in RFC 8428 and 8798, I'd rather see >> that we use it, instead of creating more confusion at each further step. >> We do have ms and B/s in RFC 8798, because people using SenML asked for >> that.) >> >> Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten > > > _________________________________________________________________________= ________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confid= entielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Carsten &= amp; Med,

&nbs= p;

Thanks fo= r raising this.  I agree with the errata, but this will need to be hol= d for doc update, because we cannot create a different revision of a YANG m= odule through the errata process.

&nbs= p;

Thanks,

Rob<= /o:p>

&nbs= p;

&nbs= p;

From: iesg <iesg-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Francesca Palombini
Sent: 05 October 2021 15:12
To: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>; mohamed.boucadair@orange.c= om
Cc: draft-ietf-opsawg-l3sm-l3nm@ietf.org; opsawg@ietf.org; opsawg-ch= airs@ietf.org; The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>; netmod@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Francesca Palombini's Discuss on draft-ietf-op= sawg-l3sm-l3nm-16: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

 

Thanks Carsten for noticing this! I did overlook comple= tely that bps was being used as bytes per seconds… Thanks Med for cla= rifying in this document and for opening errata https://www.rfc-edito= r.org/errata/eid6703 . The OPS ADs are on it, I am sure.

 

Francesca

 

From: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
Date: Tuesday, 5 October 2021 at 09:05
To: mohamed.boucadai= r@orange.com <mohame= d.boucadair@orange.com>
Cc: Francesca Palombini <francesca.palombini@ericsson.com>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, draft-ietf-opsawg-l= 3sm-l3nm@ietf.org <draft-ietf-opsawg-l3sm-l3nm@ietf.org>, opsawg-chairs@ietf.org <opsawg-chairs@ietf.org>, opsawg@ietf.org <opsawg@ietf.org>, netmod@ietf.org <netmod@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Francesca Palombini's Discuss on draft-ietf-op= sawg-l3sm-l3nm-16: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Hi Med,

> I confirm that what I meant is "bits per second" to align wi= th rfc8299#6.12.1.

Ah.

> I'm actually for more explicit units similar to what we are using in a= nother active spec:

As long as there is this confusion in YANG units, that is the only way that= makes sense.
One little tweak I’d have for that spec:

> =3D=3D
>      enum bit-ps {
>        value 2;
>        description
>          "Bits per S= econd (bit/s).";
>      }
>      enum byte-ps {
>        value 3;
>        description
>          "Bytes per = second (Byte/s).";

Maybe use the actual ISO/IEC 80000 notation here: B/s.
(For those that don’t know how ISO/IEC 80000 allocates “B”= ; for byte, the legend “Bytes per second” is unambiguous.)

>      }
> =3D=3D
>
> However, we are in a territory where we are trying to map as much to t= he above service model and hence use the same labels for the units.
>
> FWIW, RFC8466 used to have the following:
>
> =3D
>            = ;      leaf pbs {
>            = ;        type uint64;
>            = ;        units "bps";
>            = ;        description
>            = ;          "Peak Burst Si= ze.  It is measured in bytes per
>            = ;           second."= ;
>            = ;      }
> =3D
>
> ...which is weird.

This is really errata land, as “bps” is used as the kitchen sla= ng for “bit/s” in all other cases (along with “mbps”= ; for Mbit/s, shudder).

> This is why we don't blindly inherit that draft-ietf-opsawg-l2nm and w= ent for the following:
>
>            = ;          leaf pbs {
>            = ;            type ui= nt64;
>            = ;            units &= quot;bytes per second";
>            = ;            descrip= tion
>            = ;            &n= bsp; "Peak Burst Size.";
>            = ;          }

I think this would also benefit from “Bytes per Second (B/s)”.<= br>
Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten

>
> Cheers,
> Med
>
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.= org>
>> Envoy=E9 : lundi 4 octobre 2021 17:50
>> =C0 : BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>
>> Cc : Francesca Palombini <francesca.palombini@ericsson.com>; The IESG
>> <iesg@ietf.org>; draft-ietf-opsawg-l3sm-l3nm@ietf.org; opsawg-
>> chairs@ietf.org; opsawg@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org=
>> Objet : Re: [OPSAWG] Francesca Palombini's Discuss on draft-ietf-o= psawg-
>> l3sm-l3nm-16: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
>>
>> On 2021-10-04, at 13:34, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com wrote:
>>>
>>> bytes per second (bps),
>>
>> Whoa.
>>
>> I know that the IETF doesn’t usually care about precision in= these things,
>> but “bps” is kitchen slang for “bit/s”, so= this is very confusing.
>>
>> (Given that we have done the work in RFC 8428 and 8798, I’d = rather see
>> that we use it, instead of creating more confusion at each further= step.
>> We do have ms and B/s in RFC 8798, because people using SenML aske= d for
>> that.)
>>
>> Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________= ___________________________________________________
>
> Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations con= fidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc
> pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez= recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler
> a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messag= es electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration,
> Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deform= e ou falsifie. Merci.
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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Eric, Thank you for the thorough review. I used many of your comments to = improve the draft. See my detailed answers below as BALAZS: Regards Balazs -----Original Message----- From: =C3=89ric Vyncke via Datatracker =20 Sent: 2021. okt=C3=B3ber 5., kedd 13:27 To: The IESG Cc: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format@ietf.org; = netmod-chairs@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org; Kent Watsen = ; kent+ietf@watsen.net Subject: =C3=89ric Vyncke's No Objection on = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-19: (with COMMENT) =C3=89ric Vyncke has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-19: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all = email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this = introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to = https://www.ietf.org/blog/handling-iesg-ballot-positions/ for more information about how to handle DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-for= mat/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for the work put into this document. Please find below some non-blocking COMMENT points (but replies would be = appreciated even if only for my own education), and some nits. I hope that this helps to improve the document, Regards, -=C3=A9ric =3D=3D COMMENTS =3D=3D Generic comment about the use of the word "file" (which means an object = in a file system for me) rather than something more generic (no = suggestion to offer though) ? BALAZS: In most cases we do actually mean an object in a file system.=20 In some cases not: In UC6 Allowing YANG instance data to be carried = within other IPC message formats.=20 This is the exact reason while we differentiate between an = instance-data-set and an instance-data-file.=20 An instance-data-set may be contained in a file, but may be transferred = in a protocol message. -- Section 1 -- The first 2 sentences are quite repetitive. BALAZS: The first sentence states that we need such data off-lie The second sentence states that this offline data may be needed in 3 = different phases design, implementation or even later after the server = and the YANG module is up and running, I just don't have access to it. Reworded to clarify this. Is it about "offline delivery" or "exchange" ? At this point of reading = the document, it is still unclear in my mind what it is about... The = rest of the I-D made it clear. BALAZS: The draft is only about defining a format for YANG instance = data.=20 Naturally once you have a data format it could be used both to deliver = the information offline in a file or to exchange information using the = format in an protocol message. Most use-cases mentioned are about Offline delivery. . Unclear which UC is either implemented or potential (even with the = appendix); could also add forward references to the appendix UC). Should = the implementation(s) be referenced if they are public ? BALAZS: As stated in section 1. Use cases are listed only as examples. = This draft is only about defining a format for YANG Instance Data. I know UC1,2,3 are already implemented by more than one company, but as = this draft is only about the format, I don't think we should reference = the implementations.=20 Also, UC1 is already utilized in 2 other internet drafts. -- Section 1.1 -- Unsure why a "data set" should be named? The choice of words does not = seem the best fit (even though if I have no suggestions). BALAZS: Specific data sets need to be identified. What is it about? When = was it prepared?=20 I want a way to identify the specific data set. So, we give it a name = (and a revision/timestamp). This is why its named. Any better suggestion? -- Section 2 -- Like some other ADs, I wonder why "The context data part MUST... except" = is not a "SHOULD" as there are exceptions. What is the expected behaviour when the timestamp in the filename does = not match the meta data ? BALAZS: We are following RFC7950 in which YANG related file names are = recommended with a SHOULD but not prescribed with a MUST. Some people wanted to use separate timestamps when the instance-data-set = is created and when it is put into an instance-data-file. This draft does not prescribe an expected behavior of the tools, it just = defines the format. -- Section 2.1 -- There is a "SHOULD" so when are exceptions/deviations acceptable ? BALAZS: Based on your and Murray's comments, this will be changed to = MUST. The description of "simplified" is really too simple ;-) BALAZS: Added "only the module name and revision-date is used " I would also appreciate that the order of the list matches the following = sub-sections order. BALAZS: OK, updated. Thank you for using RFC 8792. -- Section 4 -- Did the authors think about adding the party creating the file and = adding an optional signature in the file itself? BALAZS: Not specifically. A basic format is defined, but it is = indicated in section 2, that: "Some metadata items are defined in the YANG module = "ietf-yang-instance-data", but other items MAY be used." =3D=3D NITS =3D=3D -- Section 1 -- The first 2 sentences are quite repetitive. Missing "." At the end of = the 1st =C2=A7 BALAZS: The first sentence states that we need such data off-lie The second sentence states that this offline data may be needed in 3 = different phases design, implementation or even later after the server = and the YANG module is up and running, I just don't have access to it. Reworded to clarify this. Added last full stop. Why is "Factory Default Setting" capitalised ? BALAZS: OK, I decapitalize it (If there is such a word :-) ). -- Section 1.2 -- Why using the future tense "shall be" rather than "are" ? BALAZS: The principles are not facts that just exists, they are rather = goals we fulfill by defining this format. . I though "shall" would be = the correct term. -- Section 2.1.1 and others -- Suggest to warn the reader that the examples are further in the text in = a different section. BALAZS: OK, will add it. -- Section 6 -- A "," is missing. 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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This is our reply to Lar's Eggert's comments. The original comments can be read at https://datatracker.ietf.org/iesg/agenda/documents/#draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format_lars-eggert. Thanks for the review. I used most of your suggestions to improve the draft. See detailed replies as "BALAZS:" below. Regards Balazs ========================================================================================= All comments below are about very minor potential issues that you may choose to address in some way - or ignore - as you see fit. Some were flagged by automated tools (via https://github.com/larseggert/ietf-reviewtool), so there will likely be some false positives. There is no need to let me know what you did with these suggestions. Section 3.2. , paragraph 4, nit: > ance data; the instance data itself is is contained only in the > 'content-data > ^^^^^ Possible typo: you repeated a word. BALAZS: Will be corrected. Section 3.2. , paragraph 5, nit: > ove if the module gets changed // in anyway during reviews or RFC editor > proc > ^^^^^^^^^ Did you mean "in any way"? BALAZS: Yes, will be corrected. Section 3.2. , paragraph 19, nit: > data file needs to be handled in a secure way as mentioned below. The secur > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Consider replacing this phrase with the adverb "securely" to avoid wordiness. BALAZS: Will be corrected. Section 5.2. , paragraph 1, nit: > v08 - v09 * Removed reference to similar to get reply * Introduced artwork > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Typo. Did you mean "too similar to"? BALAZS: Earlier the format was described as similar to the response of aNETCONF get operation. Updated it to make it more understandable. 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C21A93A0D81; Tue, 5 Oct 2021 09:54:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netmod@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.38.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netmod@ietf.org Message-ID: <163345288570.8789.16304433367716574736@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2021 09:54:45 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2021 16:54:46 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Instance Data File Format Authors : Balazs Lengyel Benoit Claise Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20.txt Pages : 28 Date : 2021-10-05 Abstract: There is a need to document data defined in YANG models at design time, implementation time or when a live server is unavailable. This document specifies a standard file format for YANG instance data, which follows the syntax and semantics of existing YANG models, and annotates it with metadata. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format/ There is also an htmlized version available at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Oct 5 13:44:48 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 511363A0D52; Tue, 5 Oct 2021 13:44:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Roman Danyliw via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format@ietf.org, netmod-chairs@ietf.org, netmod@ietf.org, Kent Watsen , kent+ietf@watsen.net X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.38.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Roman Danyliw Message-ID: <163346668230.2566.10168888768471053540@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2021 13:44:42 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] Roman Danyliw's No Objection on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2021 20:44:43 -0000 Roman Danyliw has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/blog/handling-iesg-ballot-positions/ for more information about how to handle DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ** Section 2. instance-data-set-name ['@' ( revision-date / timestamp ) ] ( '.xml' / '.json' ) A syntax for an instance data file name is specified with normative language. However, this format is not explained is cited. ** Section 2. Editorial. OLD If the leaf "name" is present in the instance data header, its value SHOULD be used for the "instance-data-set-name" NEW If the leaf "name" is present in the instance data header, its value SHOULD be used for the "instance-data-set-name" in the filename. ** Section 2. Description of the instance data set. The description SHOULD contain information whether and how the data can change during the lifetime of the server I found this definition of the description confusing as Figure 1 – 3 don’t seem to describe “whether and how the data” will change. ** Section 2.1.1. Per “The inline-yang-library anydata data node carries instance data (conforming to ietf-yang-library@2019-01-04)”, please provide a reference to “ietf-yang-library@2019-01-04”. ** Section 4. Please note the risk of using same-schema-as-file, especially if these configs are not integrity protected or received from outside sources. Per https://, there are the risks of loading remote content. Section 7 of RFC3986 is a good reference. Per file://, there are things list directory traversal. ** Section 4. Per “The header part is not security sensitive with one possible exception … the URI method”, I’m not sure that such a strong statement can be made given the lack of application context. For example, the description leaf in the header could include sensitive information, say ‘Latest test router config for new super secret Aqua-Violet flying car project’. This text needs to either have a caution that that this header is "unprotected so do not put in sensitive information unless this file is protected", or clarify that more in the header than the URI could be sensitive. ** Section 4. Thanks for the language trying to create equivalency between the protections of the file and the YANG store that would house it on a live system. Recommend making this text clear to say this applies to both at rest and in motion data. OLD The same kind of handling should be applied, that would be needed for the result of a read operation returning the same data. NEW (roughly) The same kind of handling should be applied to this file at rest and in transit that would be needed for the result of a read operation returning the same data. These in-transit protection mechanisms will also mitigate integrity issues when transporting the file. 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<163350009893.19591.2806866522591099347@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2021 23:01:38 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] Zaheduzzaman Sarker's No Objection on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 06:01:39 -0000 Zaheduzzaman Sarker has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/blog/handling-iesg-ballot-positions/ for more information about how to handle DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for the efforts on this document. I have following comments, by addressing them I believe will improve the document quality - Section 2.1 : Should it not say if the "content-schema" node exists then one of the methods MUST be used? as I see the specification of content schema is a SHOULD, hence may not be included for whatever reason. - Section 4 : it says Instance data files may contain sensitive data. OK, but what should be taken into consideration when putting the sensitive data in the data file. It feels like there should be more information provided to the user of the specification for actually materialize the statement made here. 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Zaheduzzaman, Thank you for the review.=20 See detailed replies as "BALAZS:" below. Regards Balazs -----Original Message----- From: netmod On Behalf Of Zaheduzzaman Sarker = via Datatracker Sent: 2021. okt=F3ber 6., szerda 8:02 To: The IESG Cc: netmod-chairs@ietf.org; draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org Subject: [netmod] Zaheduzzaman Sarker's No Objection on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20: (with COMMENT) Zaheduzzaman Sarker has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all = email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to = https://www.ietf.org/blog/handling-iesg-ballot-positions/ for more information about how to handle DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-for= mat / ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for the efforts on this document. I have following comments, by addressing them I believe will improve the document quality - Section 2.1 : Should it not say if the "content-schema" node exists = then one of the methods MUST be used? as I see the specification of content schema is a SHOULD, hence may not be included for whatever reason. BALAZS: In accordance with your comment the SHOULD will be changed to = MUST. However, that still allows " External Method: Do not include the "content-schema" node;" People stated that when instance files are used repeatedly (a new file generated every few seconds) in a closed, well defined environment, the content-schema may already be known. In this case it is not necessary to include it in the file. - Section 4 : it says Instance data files may contain sensitive data. OK, but what should be taken into consideration when putting the = sensitive data in the data file. It feels like there should be more information provided to the user of the specification for actually materialize the statement made here. BALAZS: Instance data files may be used in many different use-cases.=20 Whether the data within is sensitive is completely dependent on the = content schema applicable to the use-case. The draft contains: " The security sensitivity of the instance data in the content part is completely dependent on the content schema." Any suggestions about what else we could say? _______________________________________________ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod ------=_NextPart_000_0352_01D7BAA0.551D5B80 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIR8jCCBTgw ggMgoAMCAQICEQCVvhag9y5G8Xs5gnL6i82WMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAMDcxFDASBgNVBAoMC1Rl bGlhU29uZXJhMR8wHQYDVQQDDBZUZWxpYVNvbmVyYSBSb290IENBIHYxMB4XDTA3MTAxODEyMDA1 MFoXDTMyMTAxODEyMDA1MFowNzEUMBIGA1UECgwLVGVsaWFTb25lcmExHzAdBgNVBAMMFlRlbGlh U29uZXJhIFJvb3QgQ0EgdjEwggIiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4ICDwAwggIKAoICAQDCvusn8CGj 82kmVX6dxVUWkVz97yG/U4B6LdKRjGMx8Owk8MOl0nJ8EG30N7fl5nx56oy1gouuSLasANxldewq TV/Bh/UgZSuBqEc+iSOVMBaQf+hXB0jnGa6/RWexNxsGKv7e+ax9g/teuuSPl2e+S46NZAdXOFVp NDY9E0jvT+LTZh6kzxq3XjYz1LQGvRgB/XeEUABF9Yxd6CO8fv414e1Qe6kwjRnTCY5oZ12/PJcY 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Regards Balazs -----Original Message----- From: Eric Vyncke (evyncke) =20 Sent: 2021. okt=C3=B3ber 5., kedd 23:19 To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel ; The IESG = ; Benoit Claise Cc: netmod-chairs@ietf.org; Kent Watsen ; = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: =C3=89ric Vyncke's No Objection on = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-19: (with COMMENT) Hello Bal=C3=A1zs, Thank you for your quick reply and your actions. My comments are = non-blocking anyway ;-) see my replies prefixed with EV> Regards -=C3=A9ric =EF=BB=BFOn 05/10/2021, 18:10, "iesg on behalf of Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel" = wrote: Hello Eric, Thank you for the thorough review. I used many of your comments to = improve the draft. See my detailed answers below as BALAZS: Regards Balazs -----Original Message----- From: =C3=89ric Vyncke via Datatracker =20 Sent: 2021. okt=C3=B3ber 5., kedd 13:27 To: The IESG Cc: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format@ietf.org; = netmod-chairs@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org; Kent Watsen = ; kent+ietf@watsen.net Subject: =C3=89ric Vyncke's No Objection on = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-19: (with COMMENT) =C3=89ric Vyncke has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-19: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to = all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut = this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to = https://www.ietf.org/blog/handling-iesg-ballot-positions/ for more information about how to handle DISCUSS and COMMENT = positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-for= mat/ = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for the work put into this document. Please find below some non-blocking COMMENT points (but replies = would be appreciated even if only for my own education), and some nits. I hope that this helps to improve the document, Regards, -=C3=A9ric =3D=3D COMMENTS =3D=3D Generic comment about the use of the word "file" (which means an = object in a file system for me) rather than something more generic (no = suggestion to offer though) ? BALAZS: In most cases we do actually mean an object in a file = system.=20 In some cases not: In UC6 Allowing YANG instance data to be carried = within other IPC message formats.=20 This is the exact reason while we differentiate between an = instance-data-set and an instance-data-file.=20 An instance-data-set may be contained in a file, but may be = transferred in a protocol message. EV> indeed, so, should the title be updated s/file/data set/ ? BALAZS2: I am reluctant to change the title this late in the process. = Although your suggestion is reasonable, people might more easily = recognize what an instance-data-file is than an what an = instance-data-set means. -- Section 1 -- The first 2 sentences are quite repetitive. BALAZS: The first sentence states that we need such data off-lie The second sentence states that this offline data may be needed in 3 = different phases design, implementation or even later after the server = and the YANG module is up and running, I just don't have access to it. Reworded to clarify this. EV> thanks Is it about "offline delivery" or "exchange" ? At this point of = reading the document, it is still unclear in my mind what it is about... = The rest of the I-D made it clear. BALAZS: The draft is only about defining a format for YANG instance = data.=20 Naturally once you have a data format it could be used both to = deliver the information offline in a file or to exchange information = using the format in an protocol message. Most use-cases mentioned are about Offline delivery. . Unclear which UC is either implemented or potential (even with the = appendix); could also add forward references to the appendix UC). Should = the implementation(s) be referenced if they are public ? BALAZS: As stated in section 1. Use cases are listed only as = examples. This draft is only about defining a format for YANG Instance = Data. I know UC1,2,3 are already implemented by more than one company, but = as this draft is only about the format, I don't think we should = reference the implementations.=20 Also, UC1 is already utilized in 2 other internet drafts. EV> nice to know, next time, you may want to have an 'implementation = status' section (to be removed by the RFC editor). -- Section 1.1 -- Unsure why a "data set" should be named? The choice of words does = not seem the best fit (even though if I have no suggestions). BALAZS: Specific data sets need to be identified. What is it about? = When was it prepared?=20 EV> correct but it is also in the meta-data part (if not mistaken) BALAZS2: Yes the name should be contained both in the filename and in = the name metadata; so in my eyes that means this is a named dataset. I want a way to identify the specific data set. So, we give it a = name (and a revision/timestamp). This is why its named. Any better suggestion? -- Section 2 -- Like some other ADs, I wonder why "The context data part MUST... = except" is not a "SHOULD" as there are exceptions. What is the expected behaviour when the timestamp in the filename = does not match the meta data ? BALAZS: We are following RFC7950 in which YANG related file names = are recommended with a SHOULD but not prescribed with a MUST. Some people wanted to use separate timestamps when the = instance-data-set is created and when it is put into an = instance-data-file. This draft does not prescribe an expected behavior of the tools, it = just defines the format. -- Section 2.1 -- There is a "SHOULD" so when are exceptions/deviations acceptable ? BALAZS: Based on your and Murray's comments, this will be changed to = MUST. The description of "simplified" is really too simple ;-) BALAZS: Added "only the module name and revision-date is used " EV> thanks I would also appreciate that the order of the list matches the = following sub-sections order. BALAZS: OK, updated. Thank you for using RFC 8792. -- Section 4 -- Did the authors think about adding the party creating the file and = adding an optional signature in the file itself? BALAZS: Not specifically. A basic format is defined, but it is = indicated in section 2, that: "Some metadata items are defined in the YANG module = "ietf-yang-instance-data", but other items MAY be used." =3D=3D NITS =3D=3D -- Section 1 -- The first 2 sentences are quite repetitive. Missing "." At the end = of the 1st =C2=A7 BALAZS: The first sentence states that we need such data off-lie The second sentence states that this offline data may be needed in 3 = different phases design, implementation or even later after the server = and the YANG module is up and running, I just don't have access to it. Reworded to clarify this. Added last full stop. Why is "Factory Default Setting" capitalised ? BALAZS: OK, I decapitalize it (If there is such a word :-) ). EV> I do not know either ;-) -- Section 1.2 -- Why using the future tense "shall be" rather than "are" ? BALAZS: The principles are not facts that just exists, they are = rather goals we fulfill by defining this format. . I though "shall" = would be the correct term. -- Section 2.1.1 and others -- Suggest to warn the reader that the examples are further in the text = in a different section. BALAZS: OK, will add it. -- Section 6 -- A "," is missing. 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2021 10:12:42 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_037E_01D7BAAB.6D53EE70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Roman, Thank you for the thorough review. I used your comments to improve the = draft. See my detailed answers below as BALAZS: Regards Balazs -----Original Message----- From: Roman Danyliw via Datatracker =20 Sent: 2021. okt=C3=B3ber 5., kedd 22:45 To: The IESG Cc: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format@ietf.org; = netmod-chairs@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org; Kent Watsen = ; kent+ietf@watsen.net Subject: Roman Danyliw's No Objection on = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20: (with COMMENT) Roman Danyliw has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all = email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this = introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to = https://www.ietf.org/blog/handling-iesg-ballot-positions/ for more information about how to handle DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-for= mat/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ** Section 2. instance-data-set-name ['@' ( revision-date / timestamp ) ] ( '.xml' / '.json' ) A syntax for an instance data file name is specified with normative = language.=20 However, this format is not explained is cited. BALAZS: The syntax is ABNF. It will be stated and referenced. ** Section 2. Editorial. OLD If the leaf "name" is present in the instance data header, its value SHOULD be used for the "instance-data-set-name" NEW If the leaf "name" is present in the instance data header, its value SHOULD be used for the "instance-data-set-name" in the filename. BALAZS: OK, will be updated. ** Section 2. Description of the instance data set. The description SHOULD contain information whether and how the data can change during the lifetime of the server I found this definition of the description confusing as Figure 1 = =E2=80=93 3 don=E2=80=99t seem to describe =E2=80=9Cwhether and how the = data=E2=80=9D will change. BALAZS: Good catch. The information will be added to the examples. ** Section 2.1.1. Per =E2=80=9CThe inline-yang-library anydata data = node carries instance data (conforming to = ietf-yang-library@2019-01-04)=E2=80=9D, please provide a reference to = =E2=80=9Cietf-yang-library@2019-01-04=E2=80=9D. BALAZS: OK, will be updated. ** Section 4. Please note the risk of using same-schema-as-file, = especially if these configs are not integrity protected or received from = outside sources.=20 Per https://, there are the risks of loading remote content. Section 7 = of RFC3986 is a good reference. Per file://, there are things list = directory traversal. BALAZS: OK, will be added to security considerations. ** Section 4. Per =E2=80=9CThe header part is not security sensitive = with one possible exception =E2=80=A6 the URI method=E2=80=9D, = I=E2=80=99m not sure that such a strong statement can be made given the = lack of application context. For example, the description leaf in the = header could include sensitive information, say =E2=80=98Latest test = router config for new super secret Aqua-Violet flying car = project=E2=80=99. This text needs to either have a caution that that = this header is "unprotected so do not put in sensitive information = unless this file is protected", or clarify that more in the header than = the URI could be sensitive. BALAZS: OK, will be updated. ** Section 4. Thanks for the language trying to create equivalency = between the protections of the file and the YANG store that would house = it on a live system. Recommend making this text clear to say this = applies to both at rest and in motion data. OLD The same kind of handling should be applied, that would be needed for the result of a read operation returning the same data. NEW (roughly) The same kind of handling should be applied to this file at rest and in = transit that would be needed for the result of a read operation = returning the same data. These in-transit protection mechanisms will = also mitigate integrity issues when transporting the file. 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List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 14:00:11 -0000 --B_3716380798_736079321 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BFOn 2021-10-06, 10:53, "Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel" wr= ote: Hello Zaheduzzaman, Thank you for the review.=20 See detailed replies as "BALAZS:" below. Regards Balazs -----Original Message----- From: netmod On Behalf Of Zaheduzzaman Sarker= via Datatracker Sent: 2021. okt=C3=B3ber 6., szerda 8:02 To: The IESG Cc: netmod-chairs@ietf.org; draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org Subject: [netmod] Zaheduzzaman Sarker's No Objection on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20: (with COMMENT) Zaheduzzaman Sarker has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all e= mail addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/blog/handling-iesg-ballot-position= s/ for more information about how to handle DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-f= ormat / ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for the efforts on this document. I have following comments, by addressing them I believe will improve th= e document quality - Section 2.1 : Should it not say if the "content-schema" node exists t= hen one of the methods MUST be used? as I see the specification of content schema is a SHOULD, hence may not be included for whatever reason. BALAZS: In accordance with your comment the SHOULD will be changed to M= UST. However, that still allows " External Method: Do not include the "content-schema" node;" People stated that when instance files are used repeatedly (a new file generated every few seconds) in a closed, well defined environment, th= e content-schema may already be known. In this case it is not necessary t= o include it in the file. I don't think we are on the same page here. I am basically saying in the co= ntext of this specification's section 2, the addition of content-schema is a= SHOULD, hence one implementation can actually skip it. But then in 2.1, as = the text describes the assumption seems to be the content-schema is always p= resent (like a MUST). I am not asking to change the SHOULD to MUST in sectio= n 2, but to acknowledge the fact that section 2.1 is only applicable when th= ere is "content-schema". - Section 4 : it says Instance data files may contain sensitive data. OK, but what should be taken into consideration when putting the sens= itive data in the data file. It feels like there should be more information provided to the user of the specification for actually materialize th= e statement made here. BALAZS: Instance data files may be used in many different use-cases.=20 Whether the data within is sensitive is completely dependent on the con= tent schema applicable to the use-case. The draft contains: " The security sensitivity of the instance data in the content part is completely dependent on the content schema." Any suggestions about what else we could say? In that case, if you think there is enough explanations, I will suggest to = simply drop then one line (--Instance data files may contain sensitive data.= ) or make the one line part of the text you are referring to. 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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Zahed,=20 Please see answers below as BALAZS2. Regards Balazs -----Original Message----- From: Zaheduzzaman Sarker =20 Sent: 2021. okt=C3=B3ber 6., szerda 16:00 To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel ; The IESG = Cc: netmod-chairs@ietf.org; = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] Zaheduzzaman Sarker's No Objection on = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20: (with COMMENT) =EF=BB=BFOn 2021-10-06, 10:53, "Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel" = wrote: Hello Zaheduzzaman, Thank you for the review.=20 See detailed replies as "BALAZS:" below. Regards Balazs -----Original Message----- From: netmod On Behalf Of Zaheduzzaman = Sarker via Datatracker Sent: 2021. okt=C3=B3ber 6., szerda 8:02 To: The IESG Cc: netmod-chairs@ietf.org; draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format@ietf.org; = netmod@ietf.org Subject: [netmod] Zaheduzzaman Sarker's No Objection on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20: (with COMMENT) Zaheduzzaman Sarker has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to = all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to = https://www.ietf.org/blog/handling-iesg-ballot-positions/ for more information about how to handle DISCUSS and COMMENT = positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-for= mat / = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for the efforts on this document. I have following comments, by addressing them I believe will improve = the document quality - Section 2.1 : Should it not say if the "content-schema" node = exists then one of the methods MUST be used? as I see the specification of = content schema is a SHOULD, hence may not be included for whatever reason. BALAZS: In accordance with your comment the SHOULD will be changed = to MUST. However, that still allows " External Method: Do not include the "content-schema" node;" People stated that when instance files are used repeatedly (a new = file generated every few seconds) in a closed, well defined environment, = the content-schema may already be known. In this case it is not = necessary to include it in the file. I don't think we are on the same page here. I am basically saying in the = context of this specification's section 2, the addition of = content-schema is a SHOULD, hence one implementation can actually skip = it. But then in 2.1, as the text describes the assumption seems to be = the content-schema is always present (like a MUST). I am not asking to = change the SHOULD to MUST in section 2, but to acknowledge the fact that = section 2.1 is only applicable when there is "content-schema". BALAZS2: I see your point. I am trying to find the correct = wording/documentation for it. Today Section 2.1 in -20 includes: One of the following methods MUST be used: Inline method: ... Simplified-Inline method: .... URI method: ... External Method: Do not include the "content-schema" node; the user needs to obtain the information through external documents. My idea was that the External method indicates that the content-schema = might NOT be present in the instance-date-set. If you think that's not clear, I could reword it to:=20 To properly understand and use an instance data set, the user needs to know the content-schema. The content schema can be either=20 specified in external documents or within the instance data set.=20 In the latter case one of the following methods MUST be used: Inline method: Include the needed information as part of the instance data set. Simplified-Inline method: Include the needed information as part of the instance data set; short specification, only the module name and revision-date is used. URI method: Include a URI that references another YANG instance data file. This instance data file will use the same content- schema as the referenced YANG instance data file. (if you don't want to repeat the info again and again) Please decide which is better! -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------------------- - Section 4 : it says Instance data files may contain sensitive data. OK, but what should be taken into consideration when putting the = sensitive data in the data file. It feels like there should be more = information provided to the user of the specification for actually materialize = the statement made here. BALAZS: Instance data files may be used in many different use-cases. = Whether the data within is sensitive is completely dependent on the = content schema applicable to the use-case. The draft contains: " The security sensitivity of the instance data in the content part = is completely dependent on the content schema." Any suggestions about what else we could say? In that case, if you think there is enough explanations, I will suggest = to simply drop then one line (--Instance data files may contain = sensitive data.) or make the one line part of the text you are referring = to. BALAZS2: OK, I will merge it into the paragraph referenced. 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List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 15:42:46 -0000 --B_3716386955_477480111 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BFOn 2021-10-06, 17:32, "Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel" wr= ote: Hello Zahed,=20 Please see answers below as BALAZS2. Regards Balazs -----Original Message----- From: Zaheduzzaman Sarker =20 Sent: 2021. okt=C3=B3ber 6., szerda 16:00 To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel ; The IESG Cc: netmod-chairs@ietf.org; draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format= @ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] Zaheduzzaman Sarker's No Objection on draft-ietf-= netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20: (with COMMENT) =EF=BB=BFOn 2021-10-06, 10:53, "Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel" wrote: Hello Zaheduzzaman, Thank you for the review.=20 See detailed replies as "BALAZS:" below. Regards Balazs -----Original Message----- From: netmod On Behalf Of Zaheduzzaman Sa= rker via Datatracker Sent: 2021. okt=C3=B3ber 6., szerda 8:02 To: The IESG Cc: netmod-chairs@ietf.org; draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.o= rg Subject: [netmod] Zaheduzzaman Sarker's No Objection on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20: (with COMMENT) Zaheduzzaman Sarker has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to a= ll email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/blog/handling-iesg-ballot-posi= tions/ for more information about how to handle DISCUSS and COMMENT positi= ons. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-fi= le-format / -------------------------------------------------------------------= --- COMMENT: -------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Thanks for the efforts on this document. I have following comments, by addressing them I believe will improv= e the document quality - Section 2.1 : Should it not say if the "content-schema" node exis= ts then one of the methods MUST be used? as I see the specification of cont= ent schema is a SHOULD, hence may not be included for whatever reason. BALAZS: In accordance with your comment the SHOULD will be changed = to MUST. However, that still allows " External Method: Do not include the "content-schema" node;" People stated that when instance files are used repeatedly (a new f= ile generated every few seconds) in a closed, well defined environment,= the content-schema may already be known. In this case it is not necessa= ry to include it in the file. I don't think we are on the same page here. I am basically saying in th= e context of this specification's section 2, the addition of content-schema = is a SHOULD, hence one implementation can actually skip it. But then in 2.1,= as the text describes the assumption seems to be the content-schema is alwa= ys present (like a MUST). I am not asking to change the SHOULD to MUST in se= ction 2, but to acknowledge the fact that section 2.1 is only applicable whe= n there is "content-schema". BALAZS2: I see your point. I am trying to find the correct wording/doc= umentation for it. Today Section 2.1 in -20 includes: One of the following methods MUST be used: Inline method: ... Simplified-Inline method: .... URI method: ... External Method: Do not include the "content-schema" node; the user needs to obtain the information through external documents. My idea was that the External method indicates that the content-schema = might NOT be present in the instance-date-set. If you think that's not clear, I could reword it to:=20 To properly understand and use an instance data set, the user needs to know the content-schema. The content schema can be either=20 specified in external documents or within the instance data set.=20 In the latter case one of the following methods MUST be used: Inline method: Include the needed information as part of the instance data set. Simplified-Inline method: Include the needed information as part of the instance data set; short specification, only the module name and revision-date is used. URI method: Include a URI that references another YANG instance data file. This instance data file will use the same content- schema as the referenced YANG instance data file. (if you don't want to repeat the info again and again) Please decide which is better! The new version is much better to express the intention you have. Thanks fo= r the updates and addressing my comment. -----------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------ - Section 4 : it says Instance data files may contain sensitive data. OK, but what should be taken into consideration when putting the = sensitive data in the data file. It feels like there should be more informa= tion provided to the user of the specification for actually materializ= e the statement made here. BALAZS: Instance data files may be used in many different use-cases= .=20 Whether the data within is sensitive is completely dependent on the= content schema applicable to the use-case. The draft contains: " The security sensitivity of the instance data in the content part= is completely dependent on the content schema." Any suggestions about what else we could say? In that case, if you think there is enough explanations, I will suggest= to simply drop then one line (--Instance data files may contain sensitive d= ata.) or make the one line part of the text you are referring to. BALAZS2: OK, I will merge it into the paragraph referenced. Thanks. 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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Zahed, Thanks for the comments. I will update with the new text. Regards Balazs -----Original Message----- From: Zaheduzzaman Sarker =20 Sent: 2021. okt=C3=B3ber 6., szerda 17:43 To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel ; The IESG = Cc: netmod-chairs@ietf.org; = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] Zaheduzzaman Sarker's No Objection on = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20: (with COMMENT) =EF=BB=BFOn 2021-10-06, 17:32, "Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel" = wrote: Hello Zahed,=20 Please see answers below as BALAZS2. Regards Balazs -----Original Message----- From: Zaheduzzaman Sarker =20 Sent: 2021. okt=C3=B3ber 6., szerda 16:00 To: Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel ; The IESG = Cc: netmod-chairs@ietf.org; = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] Zaheduzzaman Sarker's No Objection on = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20: (with COMMENT) =EF=BB=BFOn 2021-10-06, 10:53, "Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel" = wrote: Hello Zaheduzzaman, Thank you for the review.=20 See detailed replies as "BALAZS:" below. Regards Balazs -----Original Message----- From: netmod On Behalf Of Zaheduzzaman = Sarker via Datatracker Sent: 2021. okt=C3=B3ber 6., szerda 8:02 To: The IESG Cc: netmod-chairs@ietf.org; draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format@ietf.org; = netmod@ietf.org Subject: [netmod] Zaheduzzaman Sarker's No Objection on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20: (with COMMENT) Zaheduzzaman Sarker has entered the following ballot position = for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply = to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut = this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to = https://www.ietf.org/blog/handling-iesg-ballot-positions/ for more information about how to handle DISCUSS and COMMENT = positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found = here: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-for= mat / = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for the efforts on this document. I have following comments, by addressing them I believe will = improve the document quality - Section 2.1 : Should it not say if the "content-schema" node = exists then one of the methods MUST be used? as I see the specification of = content schema is a SHOULD, hence may not be included for whatever = reason. BALAZS: In accordance with your comment the SHOULD will be = changed to MUST. However, that still allows " External Method: Do not include the "content-schema" node;" People stated that when instance files are used repeatedly (a = new file generated every few seconds) in a closed, well defined = environment, the content-schema may already be known. In this case it is not = necessary to include it in the file. I don't think we are on the same page here. I am basically saying in = the context of this specification's section 2, the addition of = content-schema is a SHOULD, hence one implementation can actually skip = it. But then in 2.1, as the text describes the assumption seems to be = the content-schema is always present (like a MUST). I am not asking to = change the SHOULD to MUST in section 2, but to acknowledge the fact that = section 2.1 is only applicable when there is "content-schema". BALAZS2: I see your point. I am trying to find the correct = wording/documentation for it. Today Section 2.1 in -20 includes: One of the following methods MUST be used: Inline method: ... Simplified-Inline method: .... URI method: ... External Method: Do not include the "content-schema" node; the user needs to obtain the information through external = documents. My idea was that the External method indicates that the = content-schema might NOT be present in the instance-date-set. If you think that's not clear, I could reword it to:=20 To properly understand and use an instance data set, the user = needs to know the content-schema. The content schema can be either=20 specified in external documents or within the instance data set.=20 In the latter case one of the following methods MUST be used: Inline method: Include the needed information as part of the instance data set. Simplified-Inline method: Include the needed information as = part of the instance data set; short specification, only the module name and revision-date is used. URI method: Include a URI that references another YANG = instance data file. This instance data file will use the same content- schema as the referenced YANG instance data file. (if you = don't want to repeat the info again and again) Please decide which is better! The new version is much better to express the intention you have. Thanks = for the updates and addressing my comment. = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------------------- - Section 4 : it says Instance data files may contain sensitive data. OK, but what should be taken into consideration when putting = the sensitive data in the data file. It feels like there should be more = information provided to the user of the specification for actually = materialize the statement made here. BALAZS: Instance data files may be used in many different = use-cases.=20 Whether the data within is sensitive is completely dependent on = the content schema applicable to the use-case. The draft contains: " The security sensitivity of the instance data in the content = part is completely dependent on the content schema." Any suggestions about what else we could say? In that case, if you think there is enough explanations, I will = suggest to simply drop then one line (--Instance data files may contain = sensitive data.) or make the one line part of the text you are referring = to. BALAZS2: OK, I will merge it into the paragraph referenced. Thanks. 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text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format@ietf.org, netmod-chairs@ietf.org, netmod@ietf.org, Kent Watsen , kent+ietf@watsen.net X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.38.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Benjamin Kaduk Message-ID: <163358247829.29462.17588872571177332548@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 21:54:38 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 04:54:39 -0000 Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/blog/handling-iesg-ballot-positions/ for more information about how to handle DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Should we register media-types for the file formats being specified? Section 2 Two formats are specified based on the XML and JSON YANG encodings. Later, as other YANG encodings (e.g., CBOR) are defined, further instance data formats may be specified. I don't remember seeing a clear description of the specifics of these two specified formats. (I assume it's just "use the XML/JSON encoding for YANG structures", but I don't remember that stated anywhere.) The name of the instance data file SHOULD be of the form: instance-data-set-name ['@' ( revision-date / timestamp ) ] ( '.xml' / '.json' ) This looks (almost? Not sure about '@' vs. "@".) like valid ABNF. Do we want to say that and reference RFC 5234 for the interpretation of the symbols? If the leaf "name" is present in the instance data header, its value SHOULD be used for the "instance-data-set-name". If the "revision- date" is present in the filename it MUST conform to the format of the revision-date leaf in the YANG model. [...] This seems unenforcable, and contrary to the Unix ethos. Why is it necessary to try to have consistency betwen the contents of the file and its name in the file system, as opposed to letting the type and contents of a file speak for itself regardless of the name in the file system? Metadata, information about the data set itself SHOULD be included in the instance data set. Some metadata items are defined in the YANG module "ietf-yang-instance-data", but other items MAY be used. Metadata MUST include: - Version of the YANG Instance Data format Doesn't the latter (MUST) effectively make the former (SHOULD) also into a "MUST"? Also, if this is actually mandatory, shouldn't that be reflected in the YANG module? Section 2.1.2 import-only dependencies MAY be excluded from the leaf-list. If they are excluded then the consumer of the instance data set has to apply the YANG language rules to resolve the imports. An example of the Do we want to say something like "Accordingly, recipients of the instance data set must be prepared to perform this processing, absent prior knowledge about the files they will be processing"? Section 2.2.1 info@acme.com Unfortunately, acme.com is a real domain name; we should probably use a BCP 32 name. Likewise for urn:rdns:acme.com:oammodel:acme-system-ext, etc. Section 2.2.2 true deny deny Is there a that should be set as well? Or do we just implicitly rely on the default from RFC 8341? Section 3 description "An arbitrary name for the YANG instance data set. This value is primarily used for descriptive purposes. However, when the instance data set is saved to a file, then the filename MUST encode the name's value, per Section 3 of RFC XXXX."; I think this requirement is currently stated in Section 2, not 3 (though in my previous comment I suggest that the requirement should be removed). Section 4 (I wrote, then deleted as duplicate, essentially all of the same things that Roman commented on. Thanks for updating in response to his comments.) The document does not specify any method to influence the behavior of a server. A few of the listed use cases seem to involve loading configuration into a server, which could perhaps be considered to influence the behavior of the server in question. The header part is not security sensitive with one possible exception. If the URI method is used for specification of the content schema and the URI includes a username and/or a password, the instance data file needs to be handled securely as mentioned below. In the terminology of RFC 3986 this is the "userinfo subcomponent", as in "the URI includes a userinfo subcomponent". NITS Section 2.2.1, 2.2.2 It's a bit challenging to get the of the file to be much older than the of the YANG modules it uses. 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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, I will change it to double quotes. Regards Balazs -----Original Message----- From: Carsten Bormann =20 Sent: 2021. okt=C3=B3ber 7., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 7:37 To: Benjamin Kaduk Cc: The IESG ; netmod-chairs@ietf.org; = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20: (with COMMENT) On 7. Oct 2021, at 06:54, Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker = wrote: >=20 > instance-data-set-name ['@' ( revision-date / timestamp ) ] > ( '.xml' / '.json' ) >=20 > This looks (almost? Not sure about '@' vs. "@".) like valid ABNF. Do = > we want to say that and reference RFC 5234 for the interpretation of=20 > the symbols? JFYI, single quotes are not used in ABNF. '.xml' / '.json=E2=80=99 =E2=80=A6would need to be: %s=E2=80=9D.xml=E2=80=9D / %s=E2=80=9D.json=E2=80=9D =E2=80=A6as per RFC 7405 to avoid accidentally allowing .XMl and .jsOn. (Please excuse the smartquotes.) 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2021 10:43:50 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_0453_01D7BB78.ECE8FA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Benjamin, Thank you for the thorough review. I used your comments to improve the = draft. See my detailed answers below as BALAZS: Regards Balazs -----Original Message----- From: Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker =20 Sent: 2021. okt=C3=B3ber 7., cs=C3=BCt=C3=B6rt=C3=B6k 6:55 To: The IESG Cc: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format@ietf.org; = netmod-chairs@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org; Kent Watsen = ; kent+ietf@watsen.net Subject: Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on = draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20: (with COMMENT) Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all = email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this = introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to = https://www.ietf.org/blog/handling-iesg-ballot-positions/ for more information about how to handle DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-for= mat/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Should we register media-types for the file formats being specified? Section 2 Two formats are specified based on the XML and JSON YANG encodings. Later, as other YANG encodings (e.g., CBOR) are defined, further instance data formats may be specified. I don't remember seeing a clear description of the specifics of these = two specified formats. (I assume it's just "use the XML/JSON encoding = for YANG structures", but I don't remember that stated anywhere.) BALAZS: I added references to the relevant RFCs (7950, 7951, 8791) As = the model starts with a YAN structure, I included YANG Data Structure = Extensions RFC8791 too. The name of the instance data file SHOULD be of the form: instance-data-set-name ['@' ( revision-date / timestamp ) ] ( '.xml' / '.json' ) This looks (almost? Not sure about '@' vs. "@".) like valid ABNF. Do = we want to say that and reference RFC 5234 for the interpretation of the = symbols? BALAZS: reference to ABNF added. Changed to double quotes. If the leaf "name" is present in the instance data header, its value SHOULD be used for the "instance-data-set-name". If the "revision- date" is present in the filename it MUST conform to the format of the revision-date leaf in the YANG model. [...] This seems unenforcable, and contrary to the Unix ethos. Why is it = necessary to try to have consistency betwen the contents of the file and = its name in the file system, as opposed to letting the type and contents = of a file speak for itself regardless of the name in the file system? BALAZS: We use the convention of RFC7950: to use the name of the top = YANG construct=20 in the filename (there the module name here the structure name).=20 In practice this convention proved very useful. (There already exist = some implementations of the YANG instance data). A similar rule for YANG modules is enforced by many tools e.g., pyang = and confdc. Metadata, information about the data set itself SHOULD be included in the instance data set. Some metadata items are defined in the YANG module "ietf-yang-instance-data", but other items MAY be used. Metadata MUST include: - Version of the YANG Instance Data format Doesn't the latter (MUST) effectively make the former (SHOULD) also into = a "MUST"? BALAZS: Yes, I will change it to MUST. The format-version is a MUST = either as a default value=20 (not actually present according to YANG rules) or as an explicitly = specified value.=20 The other metadata items are only recommended (SHOULD). Also, if this is actually mandatory, shouldn't that be reflected in the = YANG module? BALAZS: IN the YANG module leaf format-version has a default value. That = means that=20 either the default value or some explicitly set vale is always usable = for the user of the file.=20 Added text to clarify this. Section 2.1.2 import-only dependencies MAY be excluded from the leaf-list. If they are excluded then the consumer of the instance data set has to apply the YANG language rules to resolve the imports. An example of the Do we want to say something like "Accordingly, recipients of the = instance data set must be prepared to perform this processing, absent = prior knowledge about the files they will be processing"? BALAZS: According to YANG rules the "implemented" module that is = specified in the content schema MAY have used an=20 Import-by-revision statement in which case the revision date of the = imported module is fixed/specified in that YANG module. If import-by-revision was not used, any revision of the imported module = is usable, which in practice for most tools means the latest available revision.=20 IMHO which revision of an imported module to use should be and is = covered by RFC7950. Section 2.2.1 info@acme.com Unfortunately, acme.com is a real domain name; we should probably use a = BCP 32 name. Likewise for urn:rdns:acme.com:oammodel:acme-system-ext, etc. BALAZS: OK, I will change references to acme.example.com.com as = according to BCP 32 example.com is reserved. Section 2.2.2 true deny deny Is there a that should be set as well? Or do we just = implicitly rely on the default from RFC 8341? BALAZS: The latter. As defined in RFC8341 write-default's default is = deny, so it is strict enough. Section 3 description "An arbitrary name for the YANG instance data set. This value is primarily used for descriptive purposes. However, when the instance data set is saved to a file, then the filename MUST encode the name's value, per Section 3 of RFC XXXX."; I think this requirement is currently stated in Section 2, not 3 (though = in my previous comment I suggest that the requirement should be = removed). BALAZS: Thanks, Section number corrected. Section 4 (I wrote, then deleted as duplicate, essentially all of the same things = that Roman commented on. Thanks for updating in response to his comments.) The document does not specify any method to influence the behavior of a server. A few of the listed use cases seem to involve loading configuration into = a server, which could perhaps be considered to influence the behavior of = the server in question. BALAZS: Yes, but the document only defines the data format. Section 1 = states: " specifying how and when to use YANG instance data is out of scope for this document. It is anticipated that other documents will define specific use cases. Use cases are listed only as examples." The header part is not security sensitive with one possible exception. If the URI method is used for specification of the content schema and the URI includes a username and/or a password, the instance data file needs to be handled securely as mentioned below. BALAZS: Corrected based on Roman's comment. In the terminology of RFC 3986 this is the "userinfo subcomponent", as = in "the URI includes a userinfo subcomponent". BALAZS: OK, to be updated. NITS Section 2.2.1, 2.2.2 It's a bit challenging to get the of the file to be much = older than the of the YANG modules it uses. 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X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F503A113F; Thu, 7 Oct 2021 06:38:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Scudder via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format@ietf.org, netmod-chairs@ietf.org, netmod@ietf.org, Kent Watsen , kent+ietf@watsen.net X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.38.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: John Scudder Message-ID: <163361392982.17342.5622621823961837563@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 06:38:49 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] John Scudder's No Objection on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 13:38:50 -0000 John Scudder has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/blog/handling-iesg-ballot-positions/ for more information about how to handle DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for your work on this spec. Thanks also to Kent Watsen for his hard work shepherding it. I have some comments below which I hope may be helpful. 1. Section 1, nit, s/In Appendix C describes/Appendix C describes/ (delete the "in") 2. Section 1.4: A YANG instance data set is created at a specific point of time. If the data changes afterwards, this is not represented in the instance data set anymore. The current values may be retrieved at run-time I think "anymore" should be cut, for several reasons, the most important of which is that it seems to be objectively wrong. The cut would be the minimal fix, but did you mean something more like this? "If the data changes afterwards, the instance data will no longer represent the current data, unless it is updated." 3. Section 2, nit, s/constrains MAY be violated/constraints MAY be violated/ 4. Section 2.1: I was amazed that the "external method" option, which is essentially the "simply don't bother" option, was acceptable to the WG and other reviewers. To my eye, the URI method option seems functionally just as good (it keeps the content of the file itself small) while providing a stronger (though still not very strong) assurance that the schema will actually be available. Was "external method" discussed in the WG? Or am I simply in the rough for even thinking it surprising? 5. Appendix C: I'm inclined to agree with the shepherd's recommendation to remove this entire section (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/5DfEi8swOmLEPykBpFICJK6398s/) since readability is problematic and it doesn't seem to add to the usability of the spec. Since it is, as it says, only a non-normative appendix I don't insist, but I strongly encourage you to consider trimming or rewriting it. 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello John, Thank you for the review. I used your comments to improve the draft. See = my detailed answers below as BALAZS: Regards Balazs -----Original Message----- From: netmod On Behalf Of John Scudder via Datatracker Sent: 2021. okt=F3ber 7., cs=FCt=F6rt=F6k 15:39 To: The IESG Cc: netmod-chairs@ietf.org; draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org Subject: [netmod] John Scudder's No Objection on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20: (with COMMENT) John Scudder has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all = email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to = https://www.ietf.org/blog/handling-iesg-ballot-positions/ for more information about how to handle DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-for= mat / ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for your work on this spec. Thanks also to Kent Watsen for his = hard work shepherding it. I have some comments below which I hope may be helpful. 1. Section 1, nit, s/In Appendix C describes/Appendix C describes/ = (delete the "in") BALAZS: OK, will be updated 2. Section 1.4: A YANG instance data set is created at a specific point of time. If the data changes afterwards, this is not represented in the instance data set anymore. The current values may be retrieved at run-time I think "anymore" should be cut, for several reasons, the most important = of which is that it seems to be objectively wrong. The cut would be the = minimal fix, but did you mean something more like this? "If the data changes afterwards, the instance data will no longer represent the current data, unless it is updated." BALAZS: OK, will be updated with the additional text.=20 3. Section 2, nit, s/constrains MAY be violated/constraints MAY be = violated/ BALAZS: OK, will be updated 4. Section 2.1: I was amazed that the "external method" option, which is essentially the "simply don't bother" option, was acceptable to the WG = and other reviewers. To my eye, the URI method option seems functionally = just as good (it keeps the content of the file itself small) while providing a stronger (though still not very strong) assurance that the schema will actually be available. Was "external method" discussed in the WG? Or am I simply in the = rough for even thinking it surprising? BALAZS: People stated that when instance files are used repeatedly (a = new file generated every few seconds) in a closed, well defined = environment, the content-schema may already be known. In this case it is not necessary to include it in the file. 5. Appendix C: I'm inclined to agree with the shepherd's recommendation = to remove this entire section (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/5DfEi8swOmLEPykBpFICJK6398s= /) since readability is problematic and it doesn't seem to add to the = usability of the spec. Since it is, as it says, only a non-normative appendix I = don't insist, but I strongly encourage you to consider trimming or rewriting = it. BALAZS: We will consider it. 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draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 21:45:16 -0000 Hi Balzs, Replies inline as well (where needed) On Thu, Oct 07, 2021 at 10:43:28AM +0000, Balzs Lengyel wrote: > Hello Benjamin, > Thank you for the thorough review. I used your comments to improve the draft. See my detailed answers below as BALAZS: > Regards Balazs > > -----Original Message----- > From: Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker > Sent: 2021. oktber 7., cstrtk 6:55 > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format@ietf.org; netmod-chairs@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org; Kent Watsen ; kent+ietf@watsen.net > Subject: Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20: (with COMMENT) > > Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/blog/handling-iesg-ballot-positions/ > for more information about how to handle DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Should we register media-types for the file formats being specified? > > Section 2 > > Two formats are specified based on the XML and JSON YANG encodings. > Later, as other YANG encodings (e.g., CBOR) are defined, further > instance data formats may be specified. > > I don't remember seeing a clear description of the specifics of these two specified formats. (I assume it's just "use the XML/JSON encoding for YANG structures", but I don't remember that stated anywhere.) > BALAZS: I added references to the relevant RFCs (7950, 7951, 8791) As the model starts with a YAN structure, I included YANG Data Structure Extensions RFC8791 too. I was hoping for a statement like "The file formats are achieved by applying the respective XML and JSON encoding rules for the YANG structure included in this document." > The name of the instance data file SHOULD be of the form: > > instance-data-set-name ['@' ( revision-date / timestamp ) ] > ( '.xml' / '.json' ) > > This looks (almost? Not sure about '@' vs. "@".) like valid ABNF. Do we want to say that and reference RFC 5234 for the interpretation of the symbols? > BALAZS: reference to ABNF added. Changed to double quotes. > > If the leaf "name" is present in the instance data header, its value > SHOULD be used for the "instance-data-set-name". If the "revision- > date" is present in the filename it MUST conform to the format of the > revision-date leaf in the YANG model. [...] > > This seems unenforcable, and contrary to the Unix ethos. Why is it necessary to try to have consistency betwen the contents of the file and its name in the file system, as opposed to letting the type and contents of a file speak for itself regardless of the name in the file system? > BALAZS: We use the convention of RFC7950: to use the name of the top YANG construct > in the filename (there the module name here the structure name). > In practice this convention proved very useful. (There already exist some implementations of the YANG instance data). > A similar rule for YANG modules is enforced by many tools e.g., pyang and confdc. This is just a COMMENT, so I don't specifically object, even if it seems surprising to me. > Metadata, information about the data set itself SHOULD be included in > the instance data set. Some metadata items are defined in the YANG > module "ietf-yang-instance-data", but other items MAY be used. > > Metadata MUST include: > > - Version of the YANG Instance Data format > > Doesn't the latter (MUST) effectively make the former (SHOULD) also into a "MUST"? > BALAZS: Yes, I will change it to MUST. The format-version is a MUST either as a default value > (not actually present according to YANG rules) or as an explicitly specified value. > The other metadata items are only recommended (SHOULD). > > Also, if this is actually mandatory, shouldn't that be reflected in the YANG module? > BALAZS: IN the YANG module leaf format-version has a default value. That means that > either the default value or some explicitly set vale is always usable for the user of the file. > Added text to clarify this. Ah, good point, I forgot about the interaction between default and mandatory. > Section 2.1.2 > > import-only dependencies MAY be excluded from the leaf-list. If they > are excluded then the consumer of the instance data set has to apply > the YANG language rules to resolve the imports. An example of the > > Do we want to say something like "Accordingly, recipients of the instance data set must be prepared to perform this processing, absent prior knowledge about the files they will be processing"? > BALAZS: According to YANG rules the "implemented" module that is specified in the content schema MAY have used an > Import-by-revision statement in which case the revision date of the imported module is fixed/specified in that YANG module. > If import-by-revision was not used, any revision of the imported module is usable, which in practice for most tools means the > latest available revision. > IMHO which revision of an imported module to use should be and is covered by RFC7950. Ok. I agree that the YANG spec is pretty clear on what has to happen, so there's not a strong need to reiterate it here. > Section 2.2.1 > > info@acme.com > > Unfortunately, acme.com is a real domain name; we should probably use a BCP 32 name. Likewise for urn:rdns:acme.com:oammodel:acme-system-ext, > etc. > BALAZS: OK, I will change references to acme.example.com.com as according to BCP 32 example.com is reserved. > > Section 2.2.2 > > > true > deny > deny > > Is there a that should be set as well? Or do we just implicitly rely on the default from RFC 8341? > BALAZS: The latter. As defined in RFC8341 write-default's default is deny, so it is strict enough. > > Section 3 > > description > "An arbitrary name for the YANG instance data set. This > value is primarily used for descriptive purposes. However, > when the instance data set is saved to a file, then the > filename MUST encode the name's value, per Section 3 > of RFC XXXX."; > > I think this requirement is currently stated in Section 2, not 3 (though in my previous comment I suggest that the requirement should be removed). > BALAZS: Thanks, Section number corrected. > > Section 4 > > (I wrote, then deleted as duplicate, essentially all of the same things that Roman commented on. Thanks for updating in response to his > comments.) > > The document does not specify any method to influence the behavior of > a server. > > A few of the listed use cases seem to involve loading configuration into a server, which could perhaps be considered to influence the behavior of the server in question. > BALAZS: Yes, but the document only defines the data format. Section 1 states: > " specifying how and when to use YANG instance data is out of > scope for this document. It is anticipated that other documents will > define specific use cases. Use cases are listed only as examples." > > The header part is not security sensitive with one possible > exception. If the URI method is used for specification of the > content schema and the URI includes a username and/or a password, the > instance data file needs to be handled securely as mentioned below. > BALAZS: Corrected based on Roman's comment. > > In the terminology of RFC 3986 this is the "userinfo subcomponent", as in "the URI includes a userinfo subcomponent". > BALAZS: OK, to be updated. > > NITS > > Section 2.2.1, 2.2.2 > > It's a bit challenging to get the of the file to be much older than the of the YANG modules it uses. > BALAZS: It was a bit of a joke to use two historically significant dates > 1776-07-04 US declaration of independence > 1956-10-23 Hungary, the start of the revolution against communism and Russian occupation > I will change them to newer dates. It does seem fun to have the historically significant dates as the document is being developed. I appreciate your willingness to change the dates to avoid confusing readers about how the dates could have gotten that way in the examples. 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Balazs -----Original Message----- From: Benjamin Kaduk =20 Sent: 2021. okt=F3ber 7., cs=FCt=F6rt=F6k 23:45 To: Bal=E1zs Lengyel Cc: The IESG ; Benoit Claise ; draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format@ietf.org; netmod-chairs@ietf.org; netmod@ietf.org; Kent Watsen = Subject: Re: Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-20: (with COMMENT) Hi Bal=E1zs, Replies inline as well (where needed) On Thu, Oct 07, 2021 at 10:43:28AM +0000, Bal=E1zs Lengyel wrote: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Section 2 >=20 > Two formats are specified based on the XML and JSON YANG encodings. > Later, as other YANG encodings (e.g., CBOR) are defined, further > instance data formats may be specified. >=20 > I don't remember seeing a clear description of the specifics of these=20 > two specified formats. (I assume it's just "use the XML/JSON encoding = > for YANG structures", but I don't remember that stated anywhere.) > BALAZS: I added references to the relevant RFCs (7950, 7951, 8791) As = the model starts with a YAN structure, I included YANG Data Structure = Extensions RFC8791 too. I was hoping for a statement like "The file formats are achieved by = applying the respective XML and JSON encoding rules for the YANG structure = included in this document." 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75C443A091F; Fri, 8 Oct 2021 10:05:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netmod@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.38.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netmod@ietf.org Message-ID: <163371274339.23344.13709011601356328892@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2021 10:05:43 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-21.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2021 17:05:44 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Instance Data File Format Authors : Balazs Lengyel Benoit Claise Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-21.txt Pages : 29 Date : 2021-10-08 Abstract: There is a need to document data defined in YANG models at design time, implementation time or when a live server is unavailable. This document specifies a standard file format for YANG instance data, which follows the syntax and semantics of existing YANG models, and annotates it with metadata. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format/ There is also an htmlized version available at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-21 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-21 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Oct 11 09:13:53 2021 Return-Path: <0100017c70219e2a-51a0428e-d2d6-460b-b320-5c0b1d047915-000000@amazonses.watsen.net> X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA1653A0BB3; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 09:13:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=amazonses.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mDMcSMhH9v1m; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 09:13:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a8-83.smtp-out.amazonses.com (a8-83.smtp-out.amazonses.com [54.240.8.83]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0CC083A0BB0; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 09:13:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=ug7nbtf4gccmlpwj322ax3p6ow6yfsug; d=amazonses.com; t=1633968824; h=From:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Cc:To:Feedback-ID; bh=ixwo/Gm60+kDrc/I5kyBH5ptnZwYoBnhm+BRn8tNyBc=; b=IwR7PRsRYr5prlos33n0KoTWS82QqqMhInIKHtO5Y4wtXwjZfDE3GysWl3j1rAkL dUwoqPAy1U4a9xESjc4bOLuf/EbUS0OoISKKAyBknsNTJkGt9OfGsMe5NrPyD2f/4hd Ry/y+K0YDLRz9seEnQPoN4Vd86ou8d8EeqXX56pI= From: Kent Watsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.13\)) Message-ID: <0100017c70219e2a-51a0428e-d2d6-460b-b320-5c0b1d047915-000000@email.amazonses.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 16:13:43 +0000 Cc: "netmod-chairs@ietf.org" To: "netmod@ietf.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) Feedback-ID: 1.us-east-1.DKmIRZFhhsBhtmFMNikgwZUWVrODEw9qVcPhqJEI2DA=:AmazonSES X-SES-Outgoing: 2021.10.11-54.240.8.83 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] Call for 112 discussion topics X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 16:13:51 -0000 NETMOD WG, According to the preliminary agenda [1], NETMOD is scheduled to meet for = 1-hour on Thursday, November 11th from 14:30-15:30 UTC time. 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Bjorklund, Ed. 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The description for chassis says that* "Any class of physical component, except a stack, may be contained within a chassis; a chassis may only be contained within a stack." *First statement of this sentence seems to suggest that a chassis (which is a component) can also be contained within a chassis, while the next statement, "*a chassis may only be contained within a stack.*" seems to suggest that a chassis can be only contained within a stack and not within another chassis, which seems to contradict with the previous statement. So, which statement is correct? Another point to clarify is that in the description for stack, "*...a stack may be contained within another stack. Only chassis components should be contained within a stack.*" Is it correct to understand that a stack can contain either another stack or a chassis, or both, but nothing else? I would appreciate the clarification. Thanks, Aihua --000000000000a29fd605ce40cf8b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi A= ll,

RFC 8348 defines chassis and stack=C2=A0as two ident= ities for networking equipment. The description for chassis says that &q= uot;Any class of physical component, except a stack, may be contained withi= n a chassis; a chassis may only be contained within a stack." Firs= t statement of this sentence seems to suggest that a chassis (which is a co= mponent) can also be contained within a chassis, while the next statement, = "a chassis may only be contained within a stack." seems to= suggest that a chassis can be only=C2=A0contained within a stack and not w= ithin another chassis, which seems to contradict with the previous statemen= t. So, which statement is correct?

Another point t= o clarify is that in the description for stack, "...a stack may be = contained within another stack.=C2=A0 Only chassis components should be con= tained within a stack." Is it correct to understand that a stack c= an contain either another stack or a chassis, or both, but nothing else?

I would appreciate the clarification.=C2=A0

Thanks,
Aihua


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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: btconnect.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: AM7PR07MB6248.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 9982148f-460f-4485-0d10-08d98fc3058a X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 15 Oct 2021 10:03:22.3356 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: cf8853ed-96e5-465b-9185-806bfe185e30 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: vA+Wh+4ilwNYjsysvjnKCojXPumI625EmjAT93H4a14eiaqkFD7Q0+iImm5z4GMglg66HlWNkqhRUs/ZeT17pA== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM6PR07MB5057 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] Tree diagrams X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 10:03:36 -0000 I do not understand tree diagrams. My expectation is that the same YANG=0A= should produce the same tree diagram but apparently not. I look at=0A= RFC8519 and see=0A= =0A= | | | +--:(tcp)=0A= | | | | +--rw tcp {match-on-tcp}?=0A= ............=0A= | | | +--rw source-port=0A= | | | | | +--rw (source-port)?=0A= | | | | | +--:(range-or-operator)=0A= | | | | | +--rw (port-range-or-operator)?=0A= =0A= but when imported into 'draft-ietf-opsawg-vpn-common-12' this becomes=0A= | | +--:(tcp)=0A= | | | +-- tcp=0A= ......=0A= | | | +-- (source-port)?=0A= | | | | +--:(source-port-range-or-operator)=0A= | | | | +-- source-port-range-or-operator=0A= ie the identifiers have gained a 'source' (or 'destination').=0A= =0A= Also, the structure changes. Moving on, vpn-common has=0A= =0A= | | +--:(tcp)=0A= | | | +-- tcp=0A= .....=0A= | | | +-- (source-port)?=0A= | | | | +--:(source-port-range-or-operator)=0A= | | | | +-- source-port-range-or-operator=0A= .......=0A= | | | +-- (destination-port)?=0A= | | | +--:(destination-port-range-or-operator)=0A= | | | +-- destination-port-range-or-operator=0A= which looks fine until this is imported into=0A= 'draft-ietf-opsawg-l3sm-l3nm-18' when it becomes=0A= =0A= | | | | +--:(tcp)=0A= | | | | | +--rw tcp=0A= ...................=0A= | | | | | +--rw (source-port)?=0A= | | | | | | +--:(source-port-range-or-operator)=0A= | | | | | | +--rw source-port-range-or-operator=0A= | | | | | | inet:port-number=0A= =0A= | | | | | +--rw (destination-port)?=0A= | | | | +--:(destination-port-range-or-operator)=0A= | | | | | +--rw destination-port-range-or-operator=0A= | | | | | +--rw (port-range-or-operator)?=0A= =0A= 'destination-port-range-or-operator' has moved and we now have=0A= | | | | +--:(tcp)=0A= | | | | +--:(destination-port-range-or-operator)=0A= which does not look fine to me; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: BY5PR11MB4196.namprd11.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 7007181f-57a7-491a-1cc7-08d98fc59dcb X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 15 Oct 2021 10:21:56.6540 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5ae1af62-9505-4097-a69a-c1553ef7840e X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: rOB7nrRjpqL2e5FgFfAWGRDa4SEikJ9DmY5M6LKRDkBqcVZloF7YMxTtm2mPwVcGLY2czAPeIexRH/meMgjLbg== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: SJ0PR11MB4958 X-OriginatorOrg: cisco.com X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 173.36.7.20, xbe-aln-005.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: rcdn-core-9.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Tree diagrams X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 10:22:08 -0000 Hi Tom, Med, Authors Tom, thanks for flagging these. Med, authors, please can you check if the tree diagrams in draft-ietf-opsaw= g-vpn-common-12 or draft-ietf-opsawg-l3sm-l3nm-18 need to be updated. If t= hey do, then given that these documents are in the RFC editor queue then we= will need to coordinate any corrections with the RFC editor. Regards, Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: netmod On Behalf Of tom petch > Sent: 15 October 2021 11:03 > To: netmod@ietf.org > Subject: [netmod] Tree diagrams >=20 > I do not understand tree diagrams. My expectation is that the same YANG > should produce the same tree diagram but apparently not. I look at > RFC8519 and see >=20 > | | | +--:(tcp) > | | | | +--rw tcp {match-on-tcp}? > ............ > | | | +--rw source-port > | | | | | +--rw (source-port)? > | | | | | +--:(range-or-operator) > | | | | | +--rw (port-range-or-operator)? >=20 > but when imported into 'draft-ietf-opsawg-vpn-common-12' this becomes > | | +--:(tcp) > | | | +-- tcp > ...... > | | | +-- (source-port)? > | | | | +--:(source-port-range-or-operator) > | | | | +-- source-port-range-or-operator > ie the identifiers have gained a 'source' (or 'destination'). >=20 > Also, the structure changes. Moving on, vpn-common has >=20 > | | +--:(tcp) > | | | +-- tcp > ..... > | | | +-- (source-port)? > | | | | +--:(source-port-range-or-operator) > | | | | +-- source-port-range-or-operator > ....... > | | | +-- (destination-port)? > | | | +--:(destination-port-range-or-operator) > | | | +-- destination-port-range-or-operator > which looks fine until this is imported into > 'draft-ietf-opsawg-l3sm-l3nm-18' when it becomes >=20 > | | | | +--:(tcp) > | | | | | +--rw tcp > ................... > | | | | | +--rw (source-port)? > | | | | | | +--:(source-port-range-or-operator) > | | | | | | +--rw source-port-range-or-operator > | | | | | | inet:port-number >=20 > | | | | | +--rw (destination-port)? > | | | | +--:(destination-port-range-or-operator) > | | | | | +--rw destination-port-range-or-operator > | | | | | +--rw (port-range-or-operator)? >=20 > 'destination-port-range-or-operator' has moved and we now have > | | | | +--:(tcp) > | | | | +--:(destination-port-range-or-operator) > which does not look fine to me; 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If t= hey do, then given that these documents are in the RFC editor queue then we= will need to coordinate any corrections with the RFC editor.=0A= =0A= =0A= Rob=0A= =0A= That was quick! I can think of several explanations none of which would ma= de l3nm ready for publication. I raised this on the netmod WG list since t= hat is where the authors of tree diagrams and NACL are and they will likel= y have the best guess as to what has happened and hence what needs fixing. = My posts to netmod usually attract a prompt response.=0A= =0A= Tom Petch=0A= =0A= Regards,=0A= Rob=0A= =0A= =0A= > -----Original Message-----=0A= > From: netmod On Behalf Of tom petch=0A= > Sent: 15 October 2021 11:03=0A= > To: netmod@ietf.org=0A= > Subject: [netmod] Tree diagrams=0A= >=0A= > I do not understand tree diagrams. My expectation is that the same YANG= =0A= > should produce the same tree diagram but apparently not. I look at=0A= > RFC8519 and see=0A= >=0A= > | | | +--:(tcp)=0A= > | | | | +--rw tcp {match-on-tcp}?=0A= > ............=0A= > | | | +--rw source-port=0A= > | | | | | +--rw (source-port)?=0A= > | | | | | +--:(range-or-operator)=0A= > | | | | | +--rw (port-range-or-operator)?=0A= >=0A= > but when imported into 'draft-ietf-opsawg-vpn-common-12' this becomes=0A= > | | +--:(tcp)=0A= > | | | +-- tcp=0A= > ......=0A= > | | | +-- (source-port)?=0A= > | | | | +--:(source-port-range-or-operator)=0A= > | | | | +-- source-port-range-or-operator=0A= > ie the identifiers have gained a 'source' (or 'destination').=0A= >=0A= > Also, the structure changes. Moving on, vpn-common has=0A= >=0A= > | | +--:(tcp)=0A= > | | | +-- tcp=0A= > .....=0A= > | | | +-- (source-port)?=0A= > | | | | +--:(source-port-range-or-operator)=0A= > | | | | +-- source-port-range-or-operator=0A= > .......=0A= > | | | +-- (destination-port)?=0A= > | | | +--:(destination-port-range-or-operator)=0A= > | | | +-- destination-port-range-or-operator=0A= > which looks fine until this is imported into=0A= > 'draft-ietf-opsawg-l3sm-l3nm-18' when it becomes=0A= >=0A= > | | | | +--:(tcp)=0A= > | | | | | +--rw tcp=0A= > ...................=0A= > | | | | | +--rw (source-port)?=0A= > | | | | | | +--:(source-port-range-or-operator)=0A= > | | | | | | +--rw source-port-range-or-operator=0A= > | | | | | | inet:port-number=0A= >=0A= > | | | | | +--rw (destination-port)?=0A= > | | | | +--:(destination-port-range-or-operator)=0A= > | | | | | +--rw destination-port-range-or-operator= =0A= > | | | | | +--rw (port-range-or-operator)?=0A= >=0A= > 'destination-port-range-or-operator' has moved and we now have=0A= > | | | | +--:(tcp)=0A= > | | | | +--:(destination-port-range-or-operator)=0A= > which does not look fine to me; 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Fri, 15 Oct 2021 12:58:48 +0200 (CEST) From: To: "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" , tom petch , "draft-ietf-opsawg-l3sm-l3nm@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-opsawg-vpn-common@ietf.org" CC: "netmod@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Tree diagrams Thread-Index: AQHXwauokAtRaBjW2EGuZb/M49idHqvT1U0wgAAHftA= Content-Class: Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 10:58:46 +0000 Message-ID: <31588_1634295528_61695EE8_31588_200_1_787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B93303542C895@OPEXCAUBMA2.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: msip_labels: MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_Enabled=true; MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_SetDate=2021-10-15T10:58:37Z; MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_Method=Privileged; MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_Name=unrestricted_parent.2; MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_SiteId=90c7a20a-f34b-40bf-bc48-b9253b6f5d20; MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_ActionId=33d51b0d-ed26-49b4-8f13-377d2b4089d3; MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_ContentBits=0 x-originating-ip: [10.114.13.245] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Tree diagrams X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 10:58:56 -0000 Hi Rob, Tom, all,=20 The trees are different because we are not importing the acl module, but ar= e reusing "packet-fields" from RFC8519 to define the classification rules.= =20 Please note that trees in vpn-common are printed with "--tree-print-groupin= gs".=20 I suspected what happened for L3NM is that we touched manually the tree (th= is was there since -04) because sometimes we need so despite we are using "= --tree-line-length 69". We will make this change during AUTH48: OLD:=20 | | | | +--:(destination-port-range-or-operator) NEW: | | | | | +--:(destination-port-range-or-operator) Thank you, Tom. We always need fresh eyes. Much appreciated.=20 Cheers, Med > -----Message d'origine----- > De=A0: Rob Wilton (rwilton) > Envoy=E9=A0: vendredi 15 octobre 2021 12:22 > =C0=A0: tom petch ; BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET > ; draft-ietf-opsawg-l3sm-l3nm@ietf.org; > draft-ietf-opsawg-vpn-common@ietf.org > Cc=A0: netmod@ietf.org > Objet=A0: RE: Tree diagrams >=20 > Hi Tom, Med, Authors >=20 > Tom, thanks for flagging these. >=20 > Med, authors, please can you check if the tree diagrams in draft-ietf- > opsawg-vpn-common-12 or draft-ietf-opsawg-l3sm-l3nm-18 need to be updated. > If they do, then given that these documents are in the RFC editor queue > then we will need to coordinate any corrections with the RFC editor. >=20 > Regards, > Rob >=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: netmod On Behalf Of tom petch > > Sent: 15 October 2021 11:03 > > To: netmod@ietf.org > > Subject: [netmod] Tree diagrams > > > > I do not understand tree diagrams. My expectation is that the same > > YANG should produce the same tree diagram but apparently not. I look > > at > > RFC8519 and see > > > > | | | +--:(tcp) > > | | | | +--rw tcp {match-on-tcp}? > > ............ > > | | | +--rw source-port > > | | | | | +--rw (source-port)? > > | | | | | +--:(range-or-operator) > > | | | | | +--rw (port-range-or-operator)? > > > > but when imported into 'draft-ietf-opsawg-vpn-common-12' this becomes > > | | +--:(tcp) > > | | | +-- tcp > > ...... > > | | | +-- (source-port)? > > | | | | +--:(source-port-range-or-operator) > > | | | | +-- source-port-range-or-operator > > ie the identifiers have gained a 'source' (or 'destination'). > > > > Also, the structure changes. Moving on, vpn-common has > > > > | | +--:(tcp) > > | | | +-- tcp > > ..... > > | | | +-- (source-port)? > > | | | | +--:(source-port-range-or-operator) > > | | | | +-- source-port-range-or-operator > > ....... > > | | | +-- (destination-port)? > > | | | +--:(destination-port-range-or-operator) > > | | | +-- destination-port-range-or-operator > > which looks fine until this is imported into > > 'draft-ietf-opsawg-l3sm-l3nm-18' when it becomes > > > > | | | | +--:(tcp) > > | | | | | +--rw tcp > > ................... > > | | | | | +--rw (source-port)? > > | | | | | | +--:(source-port-range-or-operator) > > | | | | | | +--rw source-port-range-or-operator > > | | | | | | inet:port-number > > > > | | | | | +--rw (destination-port)? > > | | | | +--:(destination-port-range-or-operator) > > | | | | | +--rw destination-port-range-or-operator > > | | | | | +--rw (port-range-or-operator)? > > > > 'destination-port-range-or-operator' has moved and we now have > > | | | | +--:(tcp) > > | | | | +--:(destination-port-range-or-operator) > > which does not look fine to me; how can this be? > > > > Earlier drafts of l3nm did not have this feature. > > > > Tom Petch > > > > _______________________________________________ > > netmod mailing list > > netmod@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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I agree that you are reusing packet-fiel= ds from RFC8519 but that module has 'grouping port-range-or-operator' with = no mention AFAICT of a 'source' or a 'destination' in the identifier. Did = you edit all those in as well?=0A= =0A= Tom Petch=0A= =0A= I suspected what happened for L3NM is that we touched manually the tree (th= is was there since -04) because sometimes we need so despite we are using "= --tree-line-length 69".=0A= =0A= We will make this change during AUTH48:=0A= =0A= OLD:=0A= | | | | +--:(destination-port-range-or-operator)=0A= =0A= NEW:=0A= | | | | | +--:(destination-port-range-or-operator)=0A= =0A= Thank you, Tom. We always need fresh eyes. Much appreciated.=0A= =0A= Cheers,=0A= Med=0A= =0A= > -----Message d'origine-----=0A= > De : Rob Wilton (rwilton) =0A= > Envoy=E9 : vendredi 15 octobre 2021 12:22=0A= > =C0 : tom petch ; BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET=0A= > ; draft-ietf-opsawg-l3sm-l3nm@ietf.org;=0A= > draft-ietf-opsawg-vpn-common@ietf.org=0A= > Cc : netmod@ietf.org=0A= > Objet : RE: Tree diagrams=0A= >=0A= > Hi Tom, Med, Authors=0A= >=0A= > Tom, thanks for flagging these.=0A= >=0A= > Med, authors, please can you check if the tree diagrams in draft-ietf-=0A= > opsawg-vpn-common-12 or draft-ietf-opsawg-l3sm-l3nm-18 need to be updated= .=0A= > If they do, then given that these documents are in the RFC editor queue= =0A= > then we will need to coordinate any corrections with the RFC editor.=0A= >=0A= > Regards,=0A= > Rob=0A= >=0A= >=0A= > > -----Original Message-----=0A= > > From: netmod On Behalf Of tom petch=0A= > > Sent: 15 October 2021 11:03=0A= > > To: netmod@ietf.org=0A= > > Subject: [netmod] Tree diagrams=0A= > >=0A= > > I do not understand tree diagrams. My expectation is that the same=0A= > > YANG should produce the same tree diagram but apparently not. I look= =0A= > > at=0A= > > RFC8519 and see=0A= > >=0A= > > | | | +--:(tcp)=0A= > > | | | | +--rw tcp {match-on-tcp}?=0A= > > ............=0A= > > | | | +--rw source-port=0A= > > | | | | | +--rw (source-port)?=0A= > > | | | | | +--:(range-or-operator)=0A= > > | | | | | +--rw (port-range-or-operator)?= =0A= > >=0A= > > but when imported into 'draft-ietf-opsawg-vpn-common-12' this becomes= =0A= > > | | +--:(tcp)=0A= > > | | | +-- tcp=0A= > > ......=0A= > > | | | +-- (source-port)?=0A= > > | | | | +--:(source-port-range-or-operator)=0A= > > | | | | +-- source-port-range-or-operator=0A= > > ie the identifiers have gained a 'source' (or 'destination').=0A= > >=0A= > > Also, the structure changes. Moving on, vpn-common has=0A= > >=0A= > > | | +--:(tcp)=0A= > > | | | +-- tcp=0A= > > .....=0A= > > | | | +-- (source-port)?=0A= > > | | | | +--:(source-port-range-or-operator)=0A= > > | | | | +-- source-port-range-or-operator=0A= > > .......=0A= > > | | | +-- (destination-port)?=0A= > > | | | +--:(destination-port-range-or-operator)=0A= > > | | | +-- destination-port-range-or-operator= =0A= > > which looks fine until this is imported into=0A= > > 'draft-ietf-opsawg-l3sm-l3nm-18' when it becomes=0A= > >=0A= > > | | | | +--:(tcp)=0A= > > | | | | | +--rw tcp=0A= > > ...................=0A= > > | | | | | +--rw (source-port)?=0A= > > | | | | | | +--:(source-port-range-or-operator)=0A= > > | | | | | | +--rw source-port-range-or-operator=0A= > > | | | | | | inet:port-number=0A= > >=0A= > > | | | | | +--rw (destination-port)?=0A= > > | | | | +--:(destination-port-range-or-operator)=0A= > > | | | | | +--rw destination-port-range-or-operato= r=0A= > > | | | | | +--rw (port-range-or-operator)?=0A= > >=0A= > > 'destination-port-range-or-operator' has moved and we now have=0A= > > | | | | +--:(tcp)=0A= > > | | | | +--:(destination-port-range-or-operator)=0A= > > which does not look fine to me; how can this be?=0A= > >=0A= > > Earlier drafts of l3nm did not have this feature.=0A= > >=0A= > > Tom Petch=0A= > >=0A= > > _______________________________________________=0A= > > netmod mailing list=0A= > > netmod@ietf.org=0A= > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod=0A= =0A= ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________=0A= =0A= Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc=0A= pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_SetDate=2021-10-15T11:22:40Z; MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_Method=Privileged; MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_Name=unrestricted_parent.2; MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_SiteId=90c7a20a-f34b-40bf-bc48-b9253b6f5d20; MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_ActionId=eadc00e4-9554-439a-8a42-cdacf3780477; MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_ContentBits=0 x-originating-ip: [10.114.13.245] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Tree diagrams X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 11:24:18 -0000 Re-, Please see inline.=20 Cheers, Med > -----Message d'origine----- > De=A0: tom petch > Envoy=E9=A0: vendredi 15 octobre 2021 13:12 > =C0=A0: BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET ; Rob W= ilton > (rwilton) ; draft-ietf-opsawg-l3sm-l3nm@ietf.org; > draft-ietf-opsawg-vpn-common@ietf.org > Cc=A0: netmod@ietf.org > Objet=A0: Re: Tree diagrams >=20 > From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > Sent: 15 October 2021 11:58 >=20 > Hi Rob, Tom, all, >=20 > The trees are different because we are not importing the acl module, but > are reusing "packet-fields" from RFC8519 to define the classification > rules. >=20 > Please note that trees in vpn-common are printed with "--tree-print- > groupings". >=20 > > That feature I do not understand. I agree that you are reusing packet- > fields from RFC8519 but that module has 'grouping port-range-or-operator' > with no mention AFAICT of a 'source' or a 'destination' in the identifier. > Did you edit all those in as well? [Med] Here is an excerpt of the "ports" grouping in vpn-common:=20 =3D=3D choice source-port { description "Choice of specifying the source port or referring to a group of source port numbers."; container source-port-range-or-operator { description "Source port definition."; uses packet-fields:port-range-or-operator; } } =3D=3D which will be pronted as:=20 1: grouping ports 2: +-- (source-port)? 3: | +--:(source-port-range-or-operator) 4: | +-- source-port-range-or-operator 5: | +-- (port-range-or-operator)? 6: | +--:(range) 7: | | +-- lower-port inet:port-number 8: | | +-- upper-port inet:port-number 9: | +--:(operator) 10: | +-- operator? operator 11: | +-- port inet:port-number The names in lines 1-4 are those in the common module, 5-11 are those in pa= cket-fields.=20=20 ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: btconnect.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: AM7PR07MB6248.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 222ff08f-d0e0-439d-4c5e-08d98fcff8e3 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 15 Oct 2021 11:36:04.5935 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: cf8853ed-96e5-465b-9185-806bfe185e30 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: 4gbmb5uqnuxQDO8IL7S5CKEPBN6yDshv9eGGmXbOQ6KWFCnInfmkM8eFEJk6MtnBaTAAh6DfiH3dtQnNrUnhJw== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM7PR07MB6326 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Tree diagrams X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 11:36:18 -0000 From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com =0A= Sent: 15 October 2021 12:24=0A= =0A= Re-,=0A= =0A= Please see inline.=0A= =0A= Cheers,=0A= Med=0A= =0A= > -----Message d'origine-----=0A= > De : tom petch =0A= > Envoy=E9 : vendredi 15 octobre 2021 13:12=0A= >=0A= > From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com =0A= > Sent: 15 October 2021 11:58=0A= >=0A= > Hi Rob, Tom, all,=0A= >=0A= > The trees are different because we are not importing the acl module, but= =0A= > are reusing "packet-fields" from RFC8519 to define the classification=0A= > rules.=0A= >=0A= > Please note that trees in vpn-common are printed with "--tree-print-=0A= > groupings".=0A= >=0A= > =0A= > That feature I do not understand. I agree that you are reusing packet-= =0A= > fields from RFC8519 but that module has 'grouping port-range-or-operator'= =0A= > with no mention AFAICT of a 'source' or a 'destination' in the identifier= .=0A= > Did you edit all those in as well?=0A= =0A= [Med] Here is an excerpt of the "ports" grouping in vpn-common:=0A= =0A= =3D=3D=0A= choice source-port {=0A= description=0A= "Choice of specifying the source port or referring to a group=0A= of source port numbers.";=0A= container source-port-range-or-operator {=0A= description=0A= "Source port definition.";=0A= uses packet-fields:port-range-or-operator;=0A= }=0A= }=0A= =3D=3D=0A= =0A= which will be pronted as:=0A= =0A= 1: grouping ports=0A= 2: +-- (source-port)?=0A= 3: | +--:(source-port-range-or-operator)=0A= 4: | +-- source-port-range-or-operator=0A= 5: | +-- (port-range-or-operator)?=0A= 6: | +--:(range)=0A= 7: | | +-- lower-port inet:port-number=0A= 8: | | +-- upper-port inet:port-number=0A= 9: | +--:(operator)=0A= 10: | +-- operator? operator=0A= 11: | +-- port inet:port-number=0A= =0A= =0A= The names in lines 1-4 are those in the common module, 5-11 are those in pa= cket-fields.=0A= =0A= =0A= Ah yes, I said that I did not understand Tree Diagrams:-(. The name printe= d is that of the container above the 'uses'. I did spot the misalignment f= irst and then tried to work out the underlying YANG and failed, hence my co= mment!=0A= =0A= Tom Petch=0A= =0A= =0A= From nobody Fri Oct 15 09:04:10 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC8AE3A0AAA; Fri, 15 Oct 2021 09:03:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.39.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: Kent Watsen , The IESG , draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format@ietf.org, kent+ietf@watsen.net, netmod-chairs@ietf.org, netmod@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, rwilton@cisco.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <163431383868.26077.17509935590895131181@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 09:03:58 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] Protocol Action: 'YANG Instance Data File Format' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-21.txt) X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 16:03:59 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'YANG Instance Data File Format' (draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format-21.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Network Modeling Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Warren Kumari and Robert Wilton. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file-format/ Technical Summary There is a need to document data defined in YANG models when a live server is unavailable. Data is often needed at design or implementation time or needed when a live running server is unavailable. This document specifies a standard file format for YANG instance data, which follows the syntax and semantics of existing YANG models, and annotates it with metadata. Working Group Summary This document is clearly useful and had good support in the WG. Document Quality The document has had a good level of discussion. I would like to thank Kent, the shepherd who performed as detailed review of this document that improved its quality and consistency. Ericsson implemented an earlier version of this draft and plans to implement the final version once it's published. I expect other vendors to implement. Other IETF network management work makes use of the file format defined by this document. There was a YANG doctor review during last call. Personnel The Shepherd is Kent Watsen. The responsible AD is Robert Wilton. From nobody Fri Oct 15 15:38:56 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 807C43A0DBF; Fri, 15 Oct 2021 15:33:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: netmod@ietf.org, rwilton@cisco.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.39.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <163433723439.17026.14922430821061698203@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 15:33:54 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] netmod - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 112 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 22:33:55 -0000 Dear Lou Berger, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. 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(Something like SNMP DisplayString) Regards Balazs -- Balazs Lengyel Senior Specialist Ericsson Hungary Ltd. Mobile: +36-70-330-7909 email: Balazs.Lengyel@ericsson.com ------=_NextPart_001_001C_01D7C419.38C65EF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

Is there a way in YANG to restrict a string to = printable or visible characters? (Something like SNMP = DisplayString)

Regards = Balazs

 

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Mobile: = +36-70-330-7909=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 email: = Balazs.Lengyel@ericsson.com

 

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Message-ID: <206f8593-c4cc-03e8-fd77-4fae7c7b59c4@nic.cz> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 13:24:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.2.0 Content-Language: en-US To: =?UTF-8?Q?Bal=c3=a1zs_Lengyel?= , "'netmod@ietf.org'" Cc: Magnus Standar References: From: Ladislav Lhotka Organization: CZ.NIC In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.102.4 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Printable or visible string in YANG X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 11:25:10 -0000 Hi Balazs, Unicode (if you mean it) is so convoluted that the notion of printable/visible characters doesn't make much sense. It is IMO much safer to specify character classes that you want to permit. Lada On 18. 10. 21 12:11, Balázs Lengyel wrote: > Hello, > > Is there a way in YANG to restrict a string to printable or visible > characters? (Something like SNMP DisplayString) > > Regards Balazs > > -- > > Balazs Lengyel                    Senior > Specialist                       Ericsson Hungary Ltd. > > Mobile: +36-70-330-7909              email: Balazs.Lengyel@ericsson.com > > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > -- Ladislav Lhotka Head, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 From nobody Tue Oct 19 00:06:47 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4BAA3A0776 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2021 00:06:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7Jo--OZQd83O for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2021 00:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A15A83A0778 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2021 00:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.114] (213-67-237-150-no99.tbcn.telia.com [213.67.237.150]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B68A71AE04BD; Tue, 19 Oct 2021 09:06:29 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) From: Jan Lindblad In-Reply-To: <206f8593-c4cc-03e8-fd77-4fae7c7b59c4@nic.cz> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 09:06:29 +0200 Cc: "netmod@ietf.org" , Magnus Standar , Ladislav Lhotka Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <206f8593-c4cc-03e8-fd77-4fae7c7b59c4@nic.cz> To: =?utf-8?Q?Bal=C3=A1zs_Lengyel?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Printable or visible string in YANG X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 07:06:43 -0000 Hi Balazs, And don't forget that in YANG 1.1 you can exclude characters. type string { pattern ".*\n.*" { modifier invert-match; } // Disallow newline = characters pattern ".*\r.*" { modifier invert-match; } // Disallow carriage = return characters } /jan > On 18 Oct 2021, at 13:24, Ladislav Lhotka = wrote: >=20 > Hi Balazs, >=20 > Unicode (if you mean it) is so convoluted that the notion of = printable/visible characters doesn't make much sense. It is IMO much = safer to specify character classes that you want to permit. >=20 > Lada >=20 > On 18. 10. 21 12:11, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel wrote: >> Hello, >> Is there a way in YANG to restrict a string to printable or visible = characters? (Something like SNMP DisplayString) >> Regards Balazs >> --=20 >> Balazs Lengyel Senior Specialist = Ericsson Hungary Ltd. >> Mobile: +36-70-330-7909 email: = Balazs.Lengyel@ericsson.com >> _______________________________________________ >> netmod mailing list >> netmod@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >=20 > --=20 > Ladislav Lhotka > Head, CZ.NIC Labs > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod From nobody Tue Oct 19 00:57:46 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFFCA3A0819 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2021 00:57:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2Yw8ji0OI6ZU for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2021 00:57:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.nic.cz (mail.nic.cz [IPv6:2001:1488:800:400::400]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B24363A085A for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2021 00:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPV6:2001:718:1a02:1::380] (unknown [IPv6:2001:718:1a02:1::380]) by mail.nic.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 60AFB145B5C; Tue, 19 Oct 2021 09:57:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <94cfc6b9-9bf9-e834-ce72-82bfabb3c719@nic.cz> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 09:57:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.2.0 Content-Language: en-US To: Jan Lindblad , =?UTF-8?Q?Bal=c3=a1zs_Lengyel?= Cc: "netmod@ietf.org" , Magnus Standar References: <206f8593-c4cc-03e8-fd77-4fae7c7b59c4@nic.cz> From: Ladislav Lhotka Organization: CZ.NIC In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.102.4 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Printable or visible string in YANG X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 07:57:44 -0000 On 19. 10. 21 9:06, Jan Lindblad wrote: > Hi Balazs, > > And don't forget that in YANG 1.1 you can exclude characters. > > type string { > pattern ".*\n.*" { modifier invert-match; } // Disallow newline characters > pattern ".*\r.*" { modifier invert-match; } // Disallow carriage return characters > } It is also worth noting that in fact (sec. 9.4 in RFC 7950) "The string built-in type represents human-readable strings in YANG." This may possibly be what Balazs wants, although I doubt that there is an implementation that can really *print* all such strings. Lada > > /jan > > > >> On 18 Oct 2021, at 13:24, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: >> >> Hi Balazs, >> >> Unicode (if you mean it) is so convoluted that the notion of printable/visible characters doesn't make much sense. It is IMO much safer to specify character classes that you want to permit. >> >> Lada >> >> On 18. 10. 21 12:11, Balázs Lengyel wrote: >>> Hello, >>> Is there a way in YANG to restrict a string to printable or visible characters? (Something like SNMP DisplayString) >>> Regards Balazs >>> -- >>> Balazs Lengyel Senior Specialist Ericsson Hungary Ltd. >>> Mobile: +36-70-330-7909 email: Balazs.Lengyel@ericsson.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> netmod mailing list >>> netmod@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >> >> -- >> Ladislav Lhotka >> Head, CZ.NIC Labs >> PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> netmod mailing list >> netmod@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > -- Ladislav Lhotka Head, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 From nobody Tue Oct 19 02:38:36 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24E4A3A097E for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2021 02:38:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NfXv0QjwiVZ1 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2021 02:38:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 571B93A0809 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2021 02:38:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.114] (213-67-237-150-no99.tbcn.telia.com [213.67.237.150]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EEAA71AE0332; Tue, 19 Oct 2021 11:38:21 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) From: Jan Lindblad In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 11:38:21 +0200 Cc: Ladislav Lhotka , =?utf-8?Q?Bal=C3=A1zs_Lengyel?= , "netmod@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <206f8593-c4cc-03e8-fd77-4fae7c7b59c4@nic.cz> <94cfc6b9-9bf9-e834-ce72-82bfabb3c719@nic.cz> To: Magnus Standar X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Printable or visible string in YANG X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 09:38:34 -0000 Magnus, You could define your own type and write what you say below in the = description. It may not be important to construct a YANG pattern that = captures X.680 exactly. Your server (and client) implementations can = still reject transactions containing illegal characters based on the = description. Best Regards, /jan > The ask from Bal=C3=A1zs originated from me who noticed that we in = 3GPP have defined some parameters in interfaces to conform to ASN.1 = visible and printable strings. Then in specification of IOCs specified = that the IOC attributes should conform to the visible and printable = string formats defined in ITU-T X.680, but when defined in Yang a normal = string type was accidentally used allowing any char to be injected. > My simple ask was then whether there already exist standardized yang = types for the string types defined in ITU-T X.680, or if we should = propose such types to be defined (and then of course used in the 3GPP = provided Yang files). >=20 > It is of course good the Yang language is supportive to define custom = types. Then it is "just do it", which is easier said than done, = impacting a significant set or already released 3GPP released yang = files. > BR Magnus >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ladislav Lhotka =20 > Sent: den 19 oktober 2021 09:58 > To: Jan Lindblad ; Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel = > Cc: netmod@ietf.org; Magnus Standar > Subject: Re: [netmod] Printable or visible string in YANG >=20 > On 19. 10. 21 9:06, Jan Lindblad wrote: >> Hi Balazs, >>=20 >> And don't forget that in YANG 1.1 you can exclude characters. >>=20 >> type string { >> pattern ".*\n.*" { modifier invert-match; } // Disallow newline = characters >> pattern ".*\r.*" { modifier invert-match; } // Disallow carriage=20 >> return characters } >=20 > It is also worth noting that in fact (sec. 9.4 in RFC 7950) "The = string built-in type represents human-readable strings in YANG." This = may possibly be what Balazs wants, although I doubt that there is an = implementation that can really *print* all such strings. >=20 > Lada >=20 >>=20 >> /jan >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On 18 Oct 2021, at 13:24, Ladislav Lhotka = wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hi Balazs, >>>=20 >>> Unicode (if you mean it) is so convoluted that the notion of = printable/visible characters doesn't make much sense. It is IMO much = safer to specify character classes that you want to permit. >>>=20 >>> Lada >>>=20 >>> On 18. 10. 21 12:11, Bal=C3=A1zs Lengyel wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> Is there a way in YANG to restrict a string to printable or visible=20= >>>> characters? (Something like SNMP DisplayString) Regards Balazs >>>> --=20 >>>> Balazs Lengyel Senior Specialist = Ericsson Hungary Ltd. >>>> Mobile: +36-70-330-7909 email: = Balazs.Lengyel@ericsson.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> netmod mailing list >>>> netmod@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >>>=20 >>> -- >>> Ladislav Lhotka >>> Head, CZ.NIC Labs >>> PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> netmod mailing list >>> netmod@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod >>=20 >=20 > -- > Ladislav Lhotka > Head, CZ.NIC Labs > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 From nobody Tue Oct 19 09:33:57 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EEDB3A0D50 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2021 09:33:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO 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[73.158.202.140]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h4sm1186748pjj.5.2021.10.19.11.18.16 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 19 Oct 2021 11:18:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Mahesh Jethanandani Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_51338275-649F-40EA-A260-4F1B5B9BEDF8" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 11:18:15 -0700 In-Reply-To: Cc: "netmod@ietf.org" To: =?utf-8?Q?Oscar_Gonz=C3=A1lez_de_Dios?= References: <163455513085.30060.16085151048517756602@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] New Version Notification for draft-dbb-netmod-acl-00.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 18:26:49 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_51338275-649F-40EA-A260-4F1B5B9BEDF8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi, The NETMOD WG has the following GitHub repository to track issues = related to the ACL model. It would make sense to open issues against the = model there, and discuss them on the netmod mailing list. The WG can = then decide based on the issues opened whether a -bis document is = warranted or not. https://github.com/netmod-wg/acl-model/issues = Thanks > On Oct 19, 2021, at 9:33 AM, Oscar Gonz=C3=A1lez de Dios = wrote: >=20 > Dear Netmod colleagues, >=20 > We discussed in the list some time ago a few possible = enhancements on the ACL Yang model (RFC 8519). >=20 > Following the suggestions received the list, we've prepared an = individual draft in which we document the motivation of several = enhacements to the Access control list Yang model. Note that, in this = first version of the document, we have not included on purpose any yang = model. We are seeking the work direction from the netmod WG whether the = missing features can be accomplished by means of augmentations or = whether an ACL-bis document is more appropriate. >=20 > Looking forward to receiving your comments / thoughts/ = suggestions. >=20 > Best Regards, >=20 > Oscar, Samier, Med >=20 > -----Mensaje original----- > De: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Enviado el: lunes, 18 de octubre de 2021 13:06 > Para: Mohamed Boucadair ; Oscar = Gonz=C3=A1lez de Dios ; Oscar = Gonz=C3=A1lez de Dios ; SAMIER = BARGUIL GIRALDO ; SAMIER = BARGUIL GIRALDO > Asunto: New Version Notification for draft-dbb-netmod-acl-00.txt >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-dbb-netmod-acl-00.txt has been = successfully submitted by Oscar Gonzalez de Dios and posted to the IETF = repository. >=20 > Name: draft-dbb-netmod-acl > Revision: 00 > Title: Extensions to the Access Control Lists (ACLs) YANG = Model > Document date: 2021-10-18 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 18 > URL: = https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-dbb-netmod-acl-00.txt > Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dbb-netmod-acl/ > Htmlized: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-dbb-netmod-acl >=20 >=20 > Abstract: > RFC 8519 defines a YANG data model for Access Control Lists (ACLs). > This document discusses a set of extensions that fix many of the > limitations of the ACL model as initially defined in RFC 8519. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > The IETF Secretariat >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ >=20 > Este mensaje y sus adjuntos se dirigen exclusivamente a su = destinatario, puede contener informaci=C3=B3n privilegiada o = confidencial y es para uso exclusivo de la persona o entidad de destino. = Si no es usted. el destinatario indicado, queda notificado de que la = lectura, utilizaci=C3=B3n, divulgaci=C3=B3n y/o copia sin autorizaci=C3=B3= n puede estar prohibida en virtud de la legislaci=C3=B3n vigente. 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Se n=C3=A3o =C3=A9 vossa senhoria o destinat=C3=A1rio indicado, = fica notificado de que a leitura, utiliza=C3=A7=C3=A3o, divulga=C3=A7=C3=A3= o e/ou c=C3=B3pia sem autoriza=C3=A7=C3=A3o pode estar proibida em = virtude da legisla=C3=A7=C3=A3o vigente. Se recebeu esta mensagem por = erro, rogamos-lhe que nos o comunique imediatamente por esta mesma via e = proceda a sua destrui=C3=A7=C3=A3o > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com --Apple-Mail=_51338275-649F-40EA-A260-4F1B5B9BEDF8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi,

The = NETMOD WG has the following GitHub repository to track issues related to = the ACL model. It would make sense to open issues against the model = there, and discuss them on the netmod mailing list. The WG can then = decide based on the issues opened whether a -bis document is warranted = or not.

https://github.com/netmod-wg/acl-model/issues

Thanks

On Oct 19, 2021, at 9:33 AM, Oscar Gonz=C3=A1lez de Dios = <oscar.gonzalezdedios@telefonica.com> wrote:

Dear = Netmod colleagues,

=        We discussed in the list some = time ago a few possible enhancements on the ACL Yang model (RFC = 8519).

=        Following the suggestions = received the list, we've prepared an individual draft in which we = document the motivation of several enhacements to the Access control = list Yang model. Note that, in this first version of the document, we = have not included on purpose any yang model. We are seeking the work = direction from the netmod WG whether the missing features can be = accomplished by means of augmentations or whether an ACL-bis document =  is more appropriate.

=             &n= bsp; Looking forward to receiving your comments / thoughts/ = suggestions.

=        Best Regards,

=             &n= bsp;  Oscar, Samier, Med

-----Mensaje original-----
De: internet-drafts@ietf.org <internet-drafts@ietf.org>
Enviado el: = lunes, 18 de octubre de 2021 13:06
Para: Mohamed Boucadair = <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>; Oscar Gonz=C3=A1lez de = Dios <oscar.gonzalezdedios@telefonica.com>; Oscar Gonz=C3=A1le= z de Dios <oscar.gonzalezdedios@telefonica.com>; SAMIER BARGUIL = GIRALDO <samier.barguilgiraldo.ext@telefonica.com>; SAMIER = BARGUIL GIRALDO <samier.barguilgiraldo.ext@telefonica.com>
Asunto: New Version Notification for = draft-dbb-netmod-acl-00.txt


A = new version of I-D, draft-dbb-netmod-acl-00.txt has been successfully = submitted by Oscar Gonzalez de Dios and posted to the IETF = repository.

Name: =           draft-dbb-netm= od-acl
Revision:       00
Title: =          Extensions to the = Access Control Lists (ACLs) YANG Model
Document date: =  2021-10-18
Group: =          Individual = Submission
Pages: =          18
URL: =            https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-dbb-netmod-acl-00.txt=
Status: =         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dbb-netmod-acl/
Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-dbb-netmod-acl<= br class=3D"">

Abstract:
=   RFC 8519 defines a YANG data model for Access Control Lists = (ACLs).
  This document discusses a set of = extensions that fix many of the
  limitations = of the ACL model as initially defined in RFC 8519.




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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: btconnect.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: AM7PR07MB6248.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 3b779f8f-83e8-405d-1c79-08d993ba2e44 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 20 Oct 2021 11:10:09.7398 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: cf8853ed-96e5-465b-9185-806bfe185e30 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: ietfc@btconnect.com X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM6PR07MB5704 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Clarification on the description for chassis and stack in RFC 8348 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 11:10:25 -0000 From: netmod on behalf of Aihua Guo =0A= Sent: 13 October 2021 20:17=0A= =0A= Hi All,=0A= =0A= RFC 8348 defines chassis and stack as two identities for networking equipme= nt. The description for chassis says that "Any class of physical component,= except a stack, may be contained within a chassis; a chassis may only be c= ontained within a stack." First statement of this sentence seems to suggest= that a chassis (which is a component) can also be contained within a chass= is, while the next statement, "a chassis may only be contained within a sta= ck." seems to suggest that a chassis can be only contained within a stack a= nd not within another chassis, which seems to contradict with the previous = statement. So, which statement is correct?=0A= =0A= =0A= I do not know what the authors had in mind but to me a chassis is clearly a= chassis and a stack a stack:-)=0A= =0A= A chassis is a frame, usually metal, often with PSU and perhaps managements= functions into which blades can be slotted. Without at least one blade it= is usually not good for much except testing the management module although= that may well be a blade and not integral with the chassis. A multi-proto= col switch would be a likely example. I have not seen a chassis within a c= hassis.=0A= =0A= By contrast, a stack is made up of stackable elements, each of which is com= plete in itself and could be used by itself as a one element stack but whic= h also have in/out sockets which enable multiple elements to be integrated = into a single functional element. A LAN hub where each element supports 16= ports and eight can be stacked to form a 128 port hub would be an example.= If the elements are all connected together, I see a stack. If they are p= hysically co-located but function as several separate entities then I see s= everal stacks but not a stack within a stack.=0A= =0A= HTH=0A= =0A= Tom Petch=0A= =0A= =0A= Another point to clarify is that in the description for stack, "...a stack = may be contained within another stack. Only chassis components should be c= ontained within a stack." Is it correct to understand that a stack can cont= ain either another stack or a chassis, or both, but nothing else?=0A= =0A= I would appreciate the clarification.=0A= =0A= Thanks,=0A= Aihua=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= From nobody Wed Oct 20 05:50:54 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E363A0890 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2021 05:50:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.102 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=bt.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zXoVfM8wKSMx for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: bt.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: CWXP123MB3253.GBRP123.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 643d1878-7adb-42df-f0da-08d993c8337a X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 20 Oct 2021 12:50:31.4699 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: a7f35688-9c00-4d5e-ba41-29f146377ab0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: tom.2.hill@bt.com X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: CWLP123MB2962 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Clarification on the description for chassis and stack in RFC 8348 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 12:50:52 -0000 The confusion appears to stem from the exclusion of "chassis" in the first = part of this sentence: "Any class of physical component, except a stack, may be contained within a= chassis; a chassis may only be contained within a stack." It takes a rather pedantic read of the text to suggest that "any class of p= hysical component" may also include a chassis, but perhaps it is worth upda= ting the text to specifically state "Any class of physical component, excep= t a stack or a chassis, may be contained within a chassis".=20 Nesting a chassis within a chassis I don't see being useful to permit in pr= actice/practically useful.=20 Nested stacking sounds plausible. 'A stack of stacks' reminds me of a few d= esigns I've seen in the past (4-way Cisco VSS, perhaps?)=20 Regards, Tom My sincere apologies for Outlook. -----Original Message----- From: netmod On Behalf Of tom petch Sent: 20 October 2021 12:10 To: Aihua Guo ; netmod@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] Clarification on the description for chassis and stac= k in RFC 8348 From: netmod on behalf of Aihua Guo Sent: 13 October 2021 20:17 Hi All, RFC 8348 defines chassis and stack as two identities for networking equipme= nt. The description for chassis says that "Any class of physical component,= except a stack, may be contained within a chassis; a chassis may only be c= ontained within a stack." First statement of this sentence seems to suggest= that a chassis (which is a component) can also be contained within a chass= is, while the next statement, "a chassis may only be contained within a sta= ck." seems to suggest that a chassis can be only contained within a stack a= nd not within another chassis, which seems to contradict with the previous = statement. So, which statement is correct? I do not know what the authors had in mind but to me a chassis is clearly a= chassis and a stack a stack:-) A chassis is a frame, usually metal, often with PSU and perhaps managements= functions into which blades can be slotted. Without at least one blade it= is usually not good for much except testing the management module although= that may well be a blade and not integral with the chassis. A multi-proto= col switch would be a likely example. I have not seen a chassis within a c= hassis. By contrast, a stack is made up of stackable elements, each of which is com= plete in itself and could be used by itself as a one element stack but whic= h also have in/out sockets which enable multiple elements to be integrated = into a single functional element. A LAN hub where each element supports 16= ports and eight can be stacked to form a 128 port hub would be an example.= If the elements are all connected together, I see a stack. If they are p= hysically co-located but function as several separate entities then I see s= everal stacks but not a stack within a stack. HTH Tom Petch =20 Another point to clarify is that in the description for stack, "...a stack = may be contained within another stack. Only chassis components should be c= ontained within a stack." Is it correct to understand that a stack can cont= ain either another stack or a chassis, or both, but nothing else? I would appreciate the clarification. 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In telecom there are also "shelves" mounted on racks. A shelf is a metal frame with PSU and slots that can contain other cards. It is usually 1U-9U in height. So it looks to me that a shelf is a type of chassis. Now, there are usually subtended shelves that sit next to a main shelf and connected by external cables. A subtended shelf (or subshelf) is also a metal frame with PSU and slots, but it does not have its own control units and instead is managed directly by the main shelf. If a subshelf is also considered as a type of chassis, then it means that a chassis (shelf) could contain another chassis (subshelf) as its child, and a subshelf has a shelf as its parent. Alternatively, it could be modeled by using a "stack" to group these chassises together, but then to capture the parent-child relationship between a shelf and a subshelf, it needs to create a stack that contains both the main shelf and another stack which contains the subshelf. It sounds a little redundant to me. Thoughts are much appreciated. Thanks, Aihua On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 8:51 AM wrot= e: > The confusion appears to stem from the exclusion of "chassis" in the firs= t > part of this sentence: > > "Any class of physical component, except a stack, may be contained within > a chassis; a chassis may only be contained within a stack." > > It takes a rather pedantic read of the text to suggest that "any class of > physical component" may also include a chassis, but perhaps it is worth > updating the text to specifically state "Any class of physical component, > except a stack or a chassis, may be contained within a chassis". > > Nesting a chassis within a chassis I don't see being useful to permit in > practice/practically useful. > > Nested stacking sounds plausible. 'A stack of stacks' reminds me of a few > designs I've seen in the past (4-way Cisco VSS, perhaps?) > > Regards, > > Tom > > My sincere apologies for Outlook. > > -----Original Message----- > From: netmod On Behalf Of tom petch > Sent: 20 October 2021 12:10 > To: Aihua Guo ; netmod@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netmod] Clarification on the description for chassis and > stack in RFC 8348 > > From: netmod on behalf of Aihua Guo < > aihuaguo.ietf@gmail.com> > Sent: 13 October 2021 20:17 > > Hi All, > > RFC 8348 defines chassis and stack as two identities for networking > equipment. The description for chassis says that "Any class of physical > component, except a stack, may be contained within a chassis; a chassis m= ay > only be contained within a stack." First statement of this sentence seems > to suggest that a chassis (which is a component) can also be contained > within a chassis, while the next statement, "a chassis may only be > contained within a stack." seems to suggest that a chassis can be only > contained within a stack and not within another chassis, which seems to > contradict with the previous statement. So, which statement is correct? > > > I do not know what the authors had in mind but to me a chassis is clearly > a chassis and a stack a stack:-) > > A chassis is a frame, usually metal, often with PSU and perhaps > managements functions into which blades can be slotted. Without at least > one blade it is usually not good for much except testing the management > module although that may well be a blade and not integral with the > chassis. A multi-protocol switch would be a likely example. I have not > seen a chassis within a chassis. > > By contrast, a stack is made up of stackable elements, each of which is > complete in itself and could be used by itself as a one element stack but > which also have in/out sockets which enable multiple elements to be > integrated into a single functional element. A LAN hub where each elemen= t > supports 16 ports and eight can be stacked to form a 128 port hub would b= e > an example. If the elements are all connected together, I see a stack. = If > they are physically co-located but function as several separate entities > then I see several stacks but not a stack within a stack. > > HTH > > Tom Petch > > > Another point to clarify is that in the description for stack, "...a stac= k > may be contained within another stack. Only chassis components should be > contained within a stack." Is it correct to understand that a stack can > contain either another stack or a chassis, or both, but nothing else? > > I would appreciate the clarification. > > Thanks, > Aihua > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > > https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.i= etf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fnetmod&data=3D04%7C01%7Ctom.2.hill%40bt.= com%7Ceceaf59456654bcbc2cb08d993ba4469%7Ca7f356889c004d5eba4129f146377ab0%7= C0%7C0%7C637703250499568112%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJ= QIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=3DhdfDrlNtUJpN= %2FddyjlDwn5tjHDosdORIC0qa%2BmCA2fc%3D&reserved=3D0 > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > --0000000000001ba9c705cecaf944 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Tom,=

Thank you for the clarification.

In telecom there are also "shelves" mounted on racks. A shelf = is a metal frame with PSU and slots that can contain other cards. It is usu= ally 1U-9U in height. So it looks to me that a shelf is a type of chassis.= =C2=A0

Now, there are usually subtended shelves th= at sit next to a main shelf and connected by external cables. A subtended s= helf (or subshelf) is also a metal frame with=C2=A0PSU and slots, but it do= es not have its own control units and instead is managed directly by the ma= in shelf. If a subshelf is also considered as a type of chassis, then it me= ans that a chassis (shelf) could contain another chassis (subshelf) as its = child, and a subshelf=C2=A0has a shelf as its parent.

<= div>Alternatively, it could be modeled by using a "stack" to grou= p these chassises together, but then to capture the parent-child relationsh= ip between a shelf and a subshelf, it needs to create a stack that contains= both the main shelf and another stack which contains the subshelf. It soun= ds a little redundant to me.=C2=A0

Thoughts are mu= ch appreciated.

Thanks,
Aihua=C2=A0


On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 8:51 AM <tom.2.hil= l=3D40bt.com@dmarc.ietf.org&= gt; wrote:
The c= onfusion appears to stem from the exclusion of "chassis" in the f= irst part of this sentence:

"Any class of physical component, except a stack, may be contained wit= hin a chassis; a chassis may only be contained within a stack."

It takes a rather pedantic read of the text to suggest that "any class= of physical component" may also include a chassis, but perhaps it is = worth updating the text to specifically state "Any class of physical c= omponent, except a stack or a chassis, may be contained within a chassis&qu= ot;.

Nesting a chassis within a chassis I don't see being useful to permit i= n practice/practically useful.

Nested stacking sounds plausible. 'A stack of stacks' reminds me of= a few designs I've seen in the past (4-way Cisco VSS, perhaps?)

Regards,

Tom

My sincere apologies for Outlook.

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From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of tom petch
Sent: 20 October 2021 12:10
To: Aihua Guo <aihuaguo.ietf@gmail.com>; netmod@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [netmod] Clarification on the description for chassis and stac= k in RFC 8348

From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Aihua Guo <aihuaguo.ietf@gmail.com= >
Sent: 13 October 2021 20:17

Hi All,

RFC 8348 defines chassis and stack as two identities for networking equipme= nt. The description for chassis says that "Any class of physical compo= nent, except a stack, may be contained within a chassis; a chassis may only= be contained within a stack." First statement of this sentence seems = to suggest that a chassis (which is a component) can also be contained with= in a chassis, while the next statement, "a chassis may only be contain= ed within a stack." seems to suggest that a chassis can be only contai= ned within a stack and not within another chassis, which seems to contradic= t with the previous statement. So, which statement is correct?

<tp>
I do not know what the authors had in mind but to me a chassis is clearly a= chassis and a stack a stack:-)

A chassis is a frame, usually metal, often with PSU and perhaps managements= functions into which blades can be slotted.=C2=A0 Without at least one bla= de it is usually not good for much except testing the management module alt= hough that may well be a blade and not integral with the chassis.=C2=A0 A m= ulti-protocol switch would be a likely example.=C2=A0 I have not seen a cha= ssis within a chassis.

By contrast, a stack is made up of stackable elements, each of which is com= plete in itself and could be used by itself as a one element stack but whic= h also have in/out sockets which enable multiple elements to be integrated = into a single functional element.=C2=A0 A LAN hub where each element suppor= ts 16 ports and eight can be stacked to form a 128 port hub would be an exa= mple.=C2=A0 If the elements are all connected together, I see a stack.=C2= =A0 If they are physically co-located but function as several separate enti= ties then I see several stacks but not=C2=A0 a stack within a stack.

HTH

Tom Petch


Another point to clarify is that in the description for stack, "...a s= tack may be contained within another stack.=C2=A0 Only chassis components s= hould be contained within a stack." Is it correct to understand that a= stack can contain either another stack or a chassis, or both, but nothing = else?

I would appreciate the clarification.

Thanks,
Aihua






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a chassis may only be contained within a stack."=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Yes. I looked back and the text has been the same for decades so clearly t= he authors are happy with this. My initial take was on the common sense (t= o me) usage of chassis but this is a bit different.=0A= =0A= Perhaps raise an erratum which would likely get the attention of the author= s and the AD with OLD and NEW as you suggest.=0A= =0A= Tom Petch=0A= =0A= It takes a rather pedantic read of the text to suggest that "any class of p= hysical component" may also include a chassis, but perhaps it is worth upda= ting the text to specifically state "Any class of physical component, excep= t a stack or a chassis, may be contained within a chassis".=0A= =0A= Nesting a chassis within a chassis I don't see being useful to permit in pr= actice/practically useful.=0A= =0A= Nested stacking sounds plausible. 'A stack of stacks' reminds me of a few d= esigns I've seen in the past (4-way Cisco VSS, perhaps?)=0A= =0A= Regards,=0A= =0A= Tom=0A= =0A= My sincere apologies for Outlook.=0A= =0A= -----Original Message-----=0A= From: netmod On Behalf Of tom petch=0A= Sent: 20 October 2021 12:10=0A= To: Aihua Guo ; netmod@ietf.org=0A= Subject: Re: [netmod] Clarification on the description for chassis and stac= k in RFC 8348=0A= =0A= From: netmod on behalf of Aihua Guo =0A= Sent: 13 October 2021 20:17=0A= =0A= Hi All,=0A= =0A= RFC 8348 defines chassis and stack as two identities for networking equipme= nt. The description for chassis says that "Any class of physical component,= except a stack, may be contained within a chassis; a chassis may only be c= ontained within a stack." First statement of this sentence seems to suggest= that a chassis (which is a component) can also be contained within a chass= is, while the next statement, "a chassis may only be contained within a sta= ck." seems to suggest that a chassis can be only contained within a stack a= nd not within another chassis, which seems to contradict with the previous = statement. So, which statement is correct?=0A= =0A= =0A= I do not know what the authors had in mind but to me a chassis is clearly a= chassis and a stack a stack:-)=0A= =0A= A chassis is a frame, usually metal, often with PSU and perhaps managements= functions into which blades can be slotted. Without at least one blade it= is usually not good for much except testing the management module although= that may well be a blade and not integral with the chassis. A multi-proto= col switch would be a likely example. I have not seen a chassis within a c= hassis.=0A= =0A= By contrast, a stack is made up of stackable elements, each of which is com= plete in itself and could be used by itself as a one element stack but whic= h also have in/out sockets which enable multiple elements to be integrated = into a single functional element. A LAN hub where each element supports 16= ports and eight can be stacked to form a 128 port hub would be an example.= If the elements are all connected together, I see a stack. If they are p= hysically co-located but function as several separate entities then I see s= everal stacks but not a stack within a stack.=0A= =0A= HTH=0A= =0A= Tom Petch=0A= =0A= =0A= Another point to clarify is that in the description for stack, "...a stack = may be contained within another stack. Only chassis components should be c= ontained within a stack." 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: btconnect.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: AM7PR07MB6248.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 3b1b5dcd-124d-4463-e74a-08d9954d10dd X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 22 Oct 2021 11:14:07.6748 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: cf8853ed-96e5-465b-9185-806bfe185e30 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: ietfc@btconnect.com X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM6PR07MB4135 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Clarification on the description for chassis and stack in RFC 8348 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 11:14:17 -0000 From: netmod on behalf of Aihua Guo =0A= Sent: 20 October 2021 17:07=0A= =0A= Hi Tom,=0A= =0A= Thank you for the clarification.=0A= =0A= In telecom there are also "shelves" mounted on racks. A shelf is a metal fr= ame with PSU and slots that can contain other cards. It is usually 1U-9U in= height. So it looks to me that a shelf is a type of chassis.=0A= =0A= Now, there are usually subtended shelves that sit next to a main shelf and = connected by external cables. A subtended shelf (or subshelf) is also a met= al frame with PSU and slots, but it does not have its own control units and= instead is managed directly by the main shelf. If a subshelf is also consi= dered as a type of chassis, then it means that a chassis (shelf) could cont= ain another chassis (subshelf) as its child, and a subshelf has a shelf as = its parent.=0A= =0A= Alternatively, it could be modeled by using a "stack" to group these chassi= ses together, but then to capture the parent-child relationship between a s= helf and a subshelf, it needs to create a stack that contains both the main= shelf and another stack which contains the subshelf. It sounds a little re= dundant to me.=0A= =0A= Thoughts are much appreciated.=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Yes, I am well familiar with telecoms racks and with cabling racks. With c= abling racks, then I think that there is too little logic to qualify for th= is model and I wonder if the same is true for subshelves which is something= I am not familiar with. The model, like much of the IETF, is aimed at br= idges, switches and routers and higher level protocol devices so if the sub= tended modules do not have their own control units then I would be inclined= not to see them as chassis. I agree with Tom that the text as written doe= s not cater for a chassis contained within a chassis and so that would be = a technical change to the RFC which would call for a fresh RFC whereas the = change Tom suggests is editorial IMHO and so could be made by an erratum to= the RFC.=0A= =0A= Tom Petch=0A= =0A= Thanks,=0A= Aihua=0A= =0A= =0A= On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 8:51 AM > wrote:=0A= The confusion appears to stem from the exclusion of "chassis" in the first = part of this sentence:=0A= =0A= "Any class of physical component, except a stack, may be contained within a= chassis; a chassis may only be contained within a stack."=0A= =0A= It takes a rather pedantic read of the text to suggest that "any class of p= hysical component" may also include a chassis, but perhaps it is worth upda= ting the text to specifically state "Any class of physical component, excep= t a stack or a chassis, may be contained within a chassis".=0A= =0A= Nesting a chassis within a chassis I don't see being useful to permit in pr= actice/practically useful.=0A= =0A= Nested stacking sounds plausible. 'A stack of stacks' reminds me of a few d= esigns I've seen in the past (4-way Cisco VSS, perhaps?)=0A= =0A= Regards,=0A= =0A= Tom=0A= =0A= My sincere apologies for Outlook.=0A= =0A= -----Original Message-----=0A= From: netmod > On B= ehalf Of tom petch=0A= Sent: 20 October 2021 12:10=0A= To: Aihua Guo >; ne= tmod@ietf.org=0A= Subject: Re: [netmod] Clarification on the description for chassis and stac= k in RFC 8348=0A= =0A= From: netmod > on b= ehalf of Aihua Guo = >=0A= Sent: 13 October 2021 20:17=0A= =0A= Hi All,=0A= =0A= RFC 8348 defines chassis and stack as two identities for networking equipme= nt. The description for chassis says that "Any class of physical component,= except a stack, may be contained within a chassis; a chassis may only be c= ontained within a stack." First statement of this sentence seems to suggest= that a chassis (which is a component) can also be contained within a chass= is, while the next statement, "a chassis may only be contained within a sta= ck." seems to suggest that a chassis can be only contained within a stack a= nd not within another chassis, which seems to contradict with the previous = statement. So, which statement is correct?=0A= =0A= =0A= I do not know what the authors had in mind but to me a chassis is clearly a= chassis and a stack a stack:-)=0A= =0A= A chassis is a frame, usually metal, often with PSU and perhaps managements= functions into which blades can be slotted. Without at least one blade it= is usually not good for much except testing the management module although= that may well be a blade and not integral with the chassis. A multi-proto= col switch would be a likely example. I have not seen a chassis within a c= hassis.=0A= =0A= By contrast, a stack is made up of stackable elements, each of which is com= plete in itself and could be used by itself as a one element stack but whic= h also have in/out sockets which enable multiple elements to be integrated = into a single functional element. A LAN hub where each element supports 16= ports and eight can be stacked to form a 128 port hub would be an example.= If the elements are all connected together, I see a stack. If they are p= hysically co-located but function as several separate entities then I see s= everal stacks but not a stack within a stack.=0A= =0A= HTH=0A= =0A= Tom Petch=0A= =0A= =0A= Another point to clarify is that in the description for stack, "...a stack = may be contained within another stack. Only chassis components should be c= ontained within a stack." 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([2601:646:9300:112b:6d35:4cbb:c5ce:58a8]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f84sm10005907pfa.25.2021.10.22.10.34.59 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 22 Oct 2021 10:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <431fa91e-f64c-f50e-c0a0-fe82b11df259@alumni.stanford.edu> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 10:34:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.2.1 Content-Language: en-US To: netmod@ietf.org References: From: Randy Presuhn In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [netmod] Clarification on the description for chassis and stack in RFC 8348 X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 17:35:05 -0000 Hi - On 2021-10-22 4:14 AM, tom petch wrote: ... > Yes, I am well familiar with telecoms racks and with cabling racks. With cabling racks, then I think that there is too little logic to qualify for this model and I wonder if the same is true for subshelves which is something I am not familiar with. The model, like much of the IETF, is aimed at bridges, switches and routers and higher level protocol devices so if the subtended modules do not have their own control units then I would be inclined not to see them as chassis. I agree with Tom that the text as written does not cater for a chassis contained within a chassis and so that would be a technical change to the RFC which would call for a fresh RFC whereas the change Tom suggests is editorial IMHO and so could be made by an erratum to the RFC. Some products I worked on (both data and voice processing) had considerable intelligence and configuration in the subshelves. But that was long ago, and we were using proprietary methods or CMIP to manage them. Randy From nobody Sun Oct 24 15:37:55 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E603A0962; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 15:37:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netmod@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.39.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netmod@ietf.org Message-ID: <163511507025.22340.4619759459344945033@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 15:37:50 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-11.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 22:37:50 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. Title : A YANG Grouping for Geographic Locations Author : Christian Hopps Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-11.txt Pages : 26 Date : 2021-10-24 Abstract: This document defines a generic geographical location YANG grouping. The geographical location grouping is intended to be used in YANG models for specifying a location on or in reference to Earth or any other astronomical object. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location/ There is also an HTML version available at: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-11.html A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netmod-geo-location-11 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sun Oct 24 23:36:10 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D3593A005F for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 23:36:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, 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<163516993161.886.6426408539507179836@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 06:52:11 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-packages-02.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 13:52:17 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Packages Authors : Robert Wilton Reshad Rahman Joe Clarke Jason Sterne Bo Wu Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-yang-packages-02.txt Pages : 54 Date : 2021-10-25 Abstract: This document defines YANG packages, a versioned organizational structure holding a set of related YANG modules that collectively define a YANG schema. It describes how packages: are represented on a server, can be defined in offline YANG instance data files, and can be used to define the schema associated with YANG instance data files. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-packages/ There is also an htmlized version available at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-packages-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netmod-yang-packages-02 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Oct 25 11:30:59 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B003A103D; Mon, 25 Oct 2021 11:30:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netmod@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.39.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netmod@ietf.org Message-ID: <163518665021.10779.6593788247186942204@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 11:30:50 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-module-versioning-04.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 18:30:58 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. Title : Updated YANG Module Revision Handling Authors : Robert Wilton Reshad Rahman Balazs Lengyel Joe Clarke Jason Sterne Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-yang-module-versioning-04.txt Pages : 41 Date : 2021-10-25 Abstract: This document specifies a new YANG module update procedure that can document when non-backwards-compatible changes have occurred during the evolution of a YANG module. It extends the YANG import statement with an earliest revision filter to better represent inter-module dependencies. It provides guidelines for managing the lifecycle of YANG modules and individual schema nodes. It provides a mechanism, via the revision-label YANG extension, to specify a revision identifier for YANG modules and submodules. This document updates RFC 7950, RFC 6020, RFC 8407 and RFC 8525. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-module-versioning/ There is also an htmlized version available at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-module-versioning-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netmod-yang-module-versioning-04 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Oct 25 14:40:04 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietf.org Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC56B3A08FE; Mon, 25 Oct 2021 14:40:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: netmod@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.39.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: netmod@ietf.org Message-ID: <163519800271.10204.12693819515659143896@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 14:40:02 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-yang-semver-04.txt X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 21:40:03 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Modeling WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Semantic Versioning Authors : Joe Clarke Robert Wilton Reshad Rahman Balazs Lengyel Jason Sterne Benoit Claise Filename : draft-ietf-netmod-yang-semver-04.txt Pages : 24 Date : 2021-10-25 Abstract: This document specifies a scheme and guidelines for applying an extended set of semantic versioning rules to revisions of YANG artifacts (e.g., modules and packages). Additionally, this document defines an RFCAAAA-compliant revision-label-scheme for this YANG semantic versioning scheme. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-semver/ There is also an HTML version available at: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-semver-04.html A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-netmod-yang-semver-04 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Oct 26 06:02:32 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B15623A080E for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2021 06:02:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.618 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.618 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, 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virtual 112 meeting has been posted. 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All,

A draft agenda for our virtual 112 meeting has been posted.

Please take a look and let us know if any changes are needed.


Presenters:
Please provide your slides to the chairs no later than the Tuesday
before our meeting.

Authors of WG documents:
If you are not on the agenda, please send a update on status and
plans for the document no later than Friday November 5.

Thank you!
Lou (Kent and Joel)

Some session information:

Thursday, November 11 --   UTC: 14:30-15:30 (Session II)

    Session material:
    MeetEcho: https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/ietf112/?gr= oup=3Dnetmod
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--_000_SJ0PR14MB479236053DF87932E28B961DC3859SJ0PR14MB4792namp_-- From nobody Tue Oct 26 19:50:16 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15FB53A0783 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:50:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.919 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.919 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1wjN2x3bTdCc for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frasgout.his.huawei.com (frasgout.his.huawei.com [185.176.79.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E3613A077E for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fraeml745-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.147.206]) by frasgout.his.huawei.com (SkyGuard) with ESMTP id 4HfCjY3FPLz67yKm for ; Wed, 27 Oct 2021 10:45:37 +0800 (CST) Received: from dggeml752-chm.china.huawei.com (10.1.199.151) by fraeml745-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.226) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256) id 15.1.2308.15; Wed, 27 Oct 2021 04:50:11 +0200 Received: from dggeml753-chm.china.huawei.com (10.1.199.152) by dggeml752-chm.china.huawei.com (10.1.199.151) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.2308.15; Wed, 27 Oct 2021 10:50:04 +0800 Received: from dggeml753-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.1.199.152]) by dggeml753-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.1.199.152]) with mapi id 15.01.2308.015; Wed, 27 Oct 2021 10:50:03 +0800 From: Qin Wu To: "netmod@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Status Update of draft-ietf-netmod-node-tags Thread-Index: AdfK3R2MP8sx6eaHSWK6GYHwiBdh/g== Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 02:50:03 +0000 Message-ID: <5263c6779ea64f3e96ede5f0a672723b@huawei.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.136.123.117] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_5263c6779ea64f3e96ede5f0a672723bhuaweicom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [netmod] Status Update of draft-ietf-netmod-node-tags X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: NETMOD WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 02:50:16 -0000 --_000_5263c6779ea64f3e96ede5f0a672723bhuaweicom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Current Status: * The updated revision -03 posted on May 12,2021 > Add five Metric tags; > Separate use cases as separate section; > Security section enhancement; > Editorial fixes; Open Issues: * None. Next Steps: * Update the document to align with Module tag RFC8819 * Remove Histogram metric type tag from metric type tags. * Update targeted data object collection example. * Get more reviews. * Working Group Last Call after completing above. --_000_5263c6779ea64f3e96ede5f0a672723bhuaweicom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Current Status:

   * The updated revi= sion -03 posted on May 12,2021

     &= nbsp;       > Add five Metric tags;<= /span>

     &= nbsp;           &nbs= p; > Separate use cases as separate section;

     &= nbsp;           &nbs= p; > Security section enhancement;

     &= nbsp;      > Editorial fixes;=

Open Issues:<= /p>

*= None.

     &= nbsp;  

Next Steps:

*= Update the document to align with Module tag RFC8819

*= Remove Histogram metric type tag from metric type tags.<= /p>

*= Update targeted data object collection example.

*= Get more reviews.

*= Working Group Last Call after completing above.

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