Return-Path: Received: by mumm.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06407 for nmrg-outgoing; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:41:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from henkell.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (schoenw@henkell [134.169.34.191]) by mumm.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06362; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:41:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from schoenw@localhost by henkell.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.7.6/tubsibr) id MAA01149; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:41:54 +0200 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:41:54 +0200 Message-Id: <199909281041.MAA01149@henkell.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de> From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de CC: schoenw@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de In-reply-to: <199909231214.OAA15898@henkell.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de> (message from Juergen Schoenwaelder on Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:14:12 +0200) Subject: Re: [nmrg] 4th NMRG meeting in Zurich References: <199909231214.OAA15898@henkell.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de> Sender: owner-nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de Precedence: bulk Here is my summary where we are so far. The following people will be in Zurich: Luca Deri Jean-Philippe Martin-Flatin Aiko Pras Juergen Schoenwaelder Ron Sprenkels Frank Strauss Bert Wijnen (only Friday, not 100% sure yet) I have updated the meeting web page with additional information: I propose to use the following agenda: Thursday: + agenda bashing + any remaining bulk transfer issues (including Dave's MIB fragment) + web-based management (not sure what Jean-Philippe has in mind) + general high-level policy issues Friday: + SMIng discussion + policy provisioning issues (the COPS/PIB versus SNMP/MIB debate) + wrap up and action items I expect that we have revised documents for bulk transfer and SMIng before the meeting. There is also a paper on SMIng which Frank will present at DSOM. You can find a preview version from our Web server . For the COPS/PIB versus SNMP/MIB debate, I suggest to make yourself familiar with COPS, COPS-PR and PIBs. The relevant IDs are: draft-ietf-rap-cops-07.txt.gz draft-ietf-rap-cops-pr-00.txt.gz draft-mfine-cops-pib-01.txt.gz Overview information about the high-level policy work can be found in the following IDs: draft-ietf-policy-framework-00.txt draft-ietf-policy-reqs-00.txt Some of the documents are pretty big. So I don't expect that everybody has read them in detail. But I think its generally worth to understand what is currently going on with regard to policy-driven networks. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Technical University Braunschweig Dept. Operating Systems & Computer Networks Phone: +49 531 391 3289 Bueltenweg 74/75, 38106 Braunschweig, Germany Fax: +49 531 391 5936 Return-Path: Received: by mumm.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10086 for nmrg-outgoing; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:28:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from solaris.tecsiel.it ([195.103.245.71]) by mumm.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09634 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:20:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from tecsiel.it (solaris [193.43.104.7]) by solaris.tecsiel.it (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA03328 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:05:49 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <37EA5DED.3897DE77@tecsiel.it> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:05:49 +0200 From: Luca Deri Reply-To: l.deri@tecsiel.it Organization: Finsiel S.p.A. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 i86pc) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Network Management Research Group Subject: Re: [nmrg] 4th NMRG meeting in Zurich References: <199909231214.OAA15898@henkell.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de> <37EA44FB.BF865C35@cs.utwente.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de Precedence: bulk Hi all, I plan to attend both DSOM and the NMRG meeting. I should arrive the 10th and leave the following Sunday. If possible I would like to ask you to leave a day off for a 1-day trip to Geneva @ Telecom '99. Cheers, Luca. -- Luca Deri Finsiel S.p.A. Via Matteucci 34/B 56124 Pisa, Italy. Ph. +39/050/968.639 Fax. +39/050/968.626 Email: l.deri@tecsiel.it WWW: http://www.tlcpi.finsiel.it/~deri/ Software is about stuff, about getting hands dirty - Jim Coplien Return-Path: Received: by mumm.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01816 for nmrg-outgoing; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:19:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mumm.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01806; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:19:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from myrtilos.cs.utwente.nl (myrtilos.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.16.9]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA27165; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:19:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from cs.utwente.nl by myrtilos.cs.utwente.nl (SMI-8.6/csrelay-Sol1.4/RB) id RAA26117; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:19:38 +0200 Message-ID: <37EA44FB.BF865C35@cs.utwente.nl> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:19:23 +0200 From: Ron Sprenkels Organization: University of Twente X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juergen Schoenwaelder CC: Network Management Research Group Subject: Re: [nmrg] 4th NMRG meeting in Zurich References: <199909231214.OAA15898@henkell.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de Precedence: bulk Juergen, > I would also like to know who will be able to attend the meeting in > Zurich so that we can finalize the logistics. A quick (well, today anyway) reply to the logistics question: Both Aiko and me will be there, Bert-Jan won't. We arrive october 9 19:00, and leave on october 15, 22:00. We're staying in Hotel Leoneck, Leonhardstrasse 1, 8001 Zurich, phone 01 254 22 22. regards, Ron. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ron Sprenkels sprenkel@cs.utwente.nl http://www.cs.utwente.nl/~sprenkel University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, TSS Management group P.O. Box 217, 7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands. (Tel. +31 53 489 4663) Return-Path: Received: by mumm.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14273 for nmrg-outgoing; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:20:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from e4.ny.us.ibm.com (e4.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.104]) by mumm.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14095; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:20:40 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from northrelay03.pok.ibm.com (northrelay03.pok.ibm.com [9.117.200.23]) by e4.ny.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA63744; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:20:01 -0400 Received: from BLDVMA.boulder.ibm.com (bldvma.boulder.ibm.com [9.99.64.30]) by northrelay03.pok.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.05) with SMTP id IAA90436; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:20:32 -0400 Message-Id: <199909231220.IAA90436@northrelay03.pok.ibm.com> Received: by BLDVMA.boulder.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP Level 310) via spool with SMTP id 9727 ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 06:19:32 MDT Date: Thu, 23 Sep 99 14:20:48 DST From: "Bert Wijnen" To: schoenw@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de, nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de Subject: [nmrg] 4th NMRG meeting in Zurich Sender: owner-nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de Precedence: bulk Ref: Your note of Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:14:12 +0200 Subject: Re: [nmrg] 4th NMRG meeting in Zurich I will probably not be at DSOM. I may be able (not sure yet) to fly over for 1 day for NMRG meeting. In that case, I would prefer to see the policy and smicng dicsussions on one day, so I can participate in those. Bert Return-Path: Received: by mumm.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11755 for nmrg-outgoing; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:14:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from henkell.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (schoenw@henkell [134.169.34.191]) by mumm.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11745; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:14:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from schoenw@localhost by henkell.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.7.6/tubsibr) id OAA15898; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:14:12 +0200 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:14:12 +0200 Message-Id: <199909231214.OAA15898@henkell.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de> From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Network Management Research Group Subject: [nmrg] 4th NMRG meeting in Zurich Sender: owner-nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de Precedence: bulk I think it is time now to finalize the plans for the next NMRG meeting and to get back to serious work after the Summer break we have had. Jean-Philippe was so kind to organize the meeting logistics. We have a meeting room at the ETH Zurich, Switzerland on October 14-15, just after DSOM'99. Our local host is Burkhard Stiller. I just created a Web page with this information on the NMRG web server and I plan to update it with more detailed information about the meeting place once I receive more details. We also have to discuss what we want to do in Zurich. Jean-Philippe already posted a draft agenda about a months ago. I generally think that we should not spend too much time on the "bulk data transfer" stuff. We should certainly review where we are and how we can get to a conclusion on this topic, but this should IMHO not take more than a half day. We probably need to spend most of this half day to discuss the bulk retrieval MIB fragment provided by Dave Thaler and how that relates to the getsubtree/compress/tcp approach. I hope that we have updated specs for the getsubtree/compress/tcp approach available next week. Erik Schoenfelder did a great job in implementing an initial version of getsubtree in the Linux CMU code base. I hope to have some numbers available about the overall improvements we get based on this early prototype implementation in Zurich. (I will certainly bring the code with me to the meeting.) Other topics already in the NMRG queue are the SMIng document written by Frank Strauss and Jean-Philippe's web-based management work. What I personally would like to add to the agenda is a discussion on what is called policy-based network management these days. I know that this is currently a hot topic for the IETF and for several vendors. I got involved into some of the IETF discussions recently and I think the NMRG could be a good place to further discuss architectural concepts. Zurich might also be a good place to get additional insights from policy experts who happen to be in Zurich anyway at that time. Hence, I propose to split up our time as follows: - One day discussion of policy-based network management issues. - Half day discussion on bulk transfer issues (including Dave Thaler's MIB fragment). - Half day for other discussions (e.g. SMIng or web-based management). Please let me know ASAP what you think about this plan. I am certainly willing to change my mind if people want to have the focus elsewhere. I would also like to know who will be able to attend the meeting in Zurich so that we can finalize the logistics. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Technical University Braunschweig Dept. Operating Systems & Computer Networks Phone: +49 531 391 3289 Bueltenweg 74/75, 38106 Braunschweig, Germany Fax: +49 531 391 5936