Received: from relay.versatel.net (relay.versatel.net [62.250.3.110]) by bierator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with SMTP id m2JGbNeK003055 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:37:29 +0100 Received: (qmail 34212 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2008 16:37:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bwMedion) (87.215.199.34) by relay.versatel.net with SMTP; 19 Mar 2008 16:37:23 -0000 From: "Bert Wijnen - IETF" To: Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:37:36 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-IBRFilter-SpamReport: 0.001 () BAYES_50 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 134.169.34.9 Cc: Nmrg Subject: [nmrg] Looking for two IRSG reviewers for draft-irtf-nmrg-snmp-measure-04.txt X-BeenThere: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:37:32 -0000 This document has completed NMRG review, and the RG has consensus to request publication of this document as an Informational RFC. According the the process described at: http://tools.ietf.org/group/irtf/trac/wiki/IRTF-RFCs#IRTFRFCProcess we have completed the RG review. we are now at ready for the next step, namely to ask 2 IRSG members for review. This is step 3 of the process under: http://tools.ietf.org/group/irtf/trac/wiki/IRTF-RFCs#IRSGReview So can we please have two reviewers. The document's progress is tracked at http://www3.tools.ietf.org/group/irtf/trac/ticket/9 The document is located at: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-irtf-nmrg-snmp-measure-04.txt. Document Shepherd: Bert Wijnen (bertietf@bwijnen.net) Intended status: Informational Document author/editor: Juergen Schoenwaelder (j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de) NMRG chair: Juergen Schoenwaelder IRSG revieweres: To be found as a result of this email Pointers to RG reviews: See change history in this tracker item 9. Bert Wijnen Document Shepherd Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by bierator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m2IDuYq8000515 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:56:39 +0100 Received: from localhost (demetrius.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F4F8C7F6 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:56:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11629-05; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:56:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.iuhb02.iu-bremen.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9618A8C7E1; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:56:31 +0100 (CET) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 48BD75110AF; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:56:32 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:56:32 +0100 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de Message-ID: <20080318135632.GB23172@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new 2.3.3 (20050822) at jacobs-university.de X-IBRFilter-SpamReport: -2.599 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 134.169.34.9 Subject: [nmrg] philly meeting minutes X-BeenThere: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de List-Id: Network Management Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:56:42 -0000 Hi, I have put the draft meeting minutes online at the following location: http://www.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de/projects/nmrg/minutes/minutes-024.txt Please take a look and let me know if anything needs modification. 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Title : SNMP Traffic Measurements and Trace Exchange Formats Author(s) : J. Schoenwaelder Filename : draft-irtf-nmrg-snmp-measure-04.txt Pages : 23 Date : 2008-03-17 The Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP) is widely deployed to monitor, control and (sometimes also) configure network elements. Even though the SNMP technology is well documented, it remains relatively unclear how SNMP is used in practice and what typical SNMP usage patterns are. This document proposes to carry out large scale SNMP traffic measurements in order to develop a better understanding how SNMP is used in real world production networks. It describes the motivation, the measurement approach, and the tools and data formats needed to carry out such a study. This document was produced within the IRTF's Network Management Research Group (NMRG) and represents the consensus of all of the active contributors to this group. 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Just as quick feedback: * Yes it makes sense and is useful. (That said, I do think there is at least a certain amount of stability already by virtue of each new generation of TPC chairs in many cases starting from the earlier TPCs as basis; still it will be useful.) It will also help identify prior research in a particular area * Would it make sense to also add a topic that indicates a "perspective" - e.g. an operations perspective from a "user" who is managing something, versus an implementation perspective from a "provider" or "implementor" who provides capabilities to be used by someone else. Clearly the two are related; generally the former is needed to motivated the latter; at the same time most research papers take the "implementor" perspective (not the operations perspective), still it might be useful as a distinction criteria. * In terms of the next steps of how to "implement" the taxonomy, I would think this is something that will be hard to "enforce" and the model will be more one of serving as an "enabler", in which case it simply has to be made available in a public space, raise awareness that it is there (and having an easy way to make updates to keep it current), and then as you suggest start with the events that you have mentioned (which already have involvement from people from NMRG) to simply start using them. Just my $0.02 (or Euro 0.01:-) --- Alex -----Original Message----- From: nmrg-bounces@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de [mailto:nmrg-bounces@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de] On Behalf Of Juergen Schoenwaelder Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 5:34 PM To: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de Subject: [nmrg] meeting agenda and materials Hi, for some reason I can't upload the NMRG agenda and the presentations to the meeting materials via the meeting materials manager. So I have placed everything on the NMRG meeting web page: http://www.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de/projects/nmrg/meetings/2008/philadelphia/ We will need a note taker and a jabber scribe/relay. Volunteers are welcome. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 -- !! This message is brought to you via the `nmrg' mailing list. !! Please do not reply to this message to unsubscribe. 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Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by bierator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m2E0Xv8k009581 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:34:02 +0100 Received: from localhost (demetrius.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D1268C802 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:33:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28503-01; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:33:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.iuhb02.iu-bremen.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5868D8C207; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:33:56 +0100 (CET) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 8645D4F9FA5; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:33:56 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 01:33:56 +0100 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de Message-ID: <20080314003356.GA20992@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new 2.3.3 (20050822) at jacobs-university.de X-IBRFilter-SpamReport: -2.599 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 134.169.34.9 Subject: [nmrg] meeting agenda and materials X-BeenThere: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de List-Id: Network Management Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:34:04 -0000 Hi, for some reason I can't upload the NMRG agenda and the presentations to the meeting materials via the meeting materials manager. So I have placed everything on the NMRG meeting web page: http://www.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de/projects/nmrg/meetings/2008/philadelphia/ We will need a note taker and a jabber scribe/relay. Volunteers are welcome. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 Received: from kc-msxproto3.kc.umkc.edu (smtp.exchange.umkc.edu [134.193.44.10]) by bierator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m2CIxKYU027280 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:59:26 +0100 X-Envelope-To: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de, bertietf@bwijnen.net X-Envelope-From: DMedhi@umkc.edu X-Received-From-Address: 134.193.32.11 Received: from KC-MSX1.kc.umkc.edu ([134.193.32.11]) by kc-msxproto3.kc.umkc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:59:14 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4133 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [nmrg] RE: draft-irtf-nmrg-snmp-measure-03.txt - next steps Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:59:13 -0500 Message-ID: <032EC4F75A527A4FA58C5B1B5DECFBB305451A2B@KC-MSX1.kc.umkc.edu> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [nmrg] RE: draft-irtf-nmrg-snmp-measure-03.txt - next steps thread-index: Ach56OjO74OvLJkuSVOm7pN5asYHlgKiiLSA References: From: "Medhi, Deep" To: "Bert Wijnen - IETF" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2008 18:59:14.0476 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A3C4EC0:01C88473] X-IBRFilter-SpamReport: 0.001 () BAYES_50 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 134.169.34.9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by bierator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de id m2CIxKYU027280 Cc: Nmrg X-BeenThere: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:59:28 -0000 Hi Bert, I've looked through the latest version. Looks OK to me. Thanks. -- Deep Medhi > -----Original Message----- > From: nmrg-bounces@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de [mailto:nmrg-bounces@ibr.cs.tu- > bs.de] On Behalf Of Bert Wijnen - IETF > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 11:05 AM > To: Medhi, Deep > Cc: Nmrg > Subject: FW: [nmrg] RE: draft-irtf-nmrg-snmp-measure-03.txt - next > steps > > Medhi, > > Juergen has answered your comments as per > http://mail.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de/pipermail/nmrg/2007-December/001269.html > > I think the new document is ready for publication now. > > If you do want to recheck, pls do so before Match 13 2008 > > Bert Wijnen > document shepherd > > -- > !! This message is brought to you via the `nmrg' mailing list. > !! Please do not reply to this message to unsubscribe. To unsubscribe > or adjust > !! your settings, send a mail message to > !! or look at https://mail.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de/mailman/listinfo/nmrg. Received: from relay.versatel.net (relay.versatel.net [62.250.3.110]) by bierator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with SMTP id m24LTTV1010843 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 22:29:35 +0100 Received: (qmail 77460 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2008 21:29:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bwMedion) (87.215.199.34) by relay.versatel.net with SMTP; 4 Mar 2008 21:29:29 -0000 From: "Bert Wijnen - IETF" To: , Subject: RE: [nmrg] philadelphia meeting agenda Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 22:29:33 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <20080304124627.GA6847@elstar.local> Importance: Normal X-IBRFilter-SpamReport: 0.001 () BAYES_50 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 134.169.34.9 X-BeenThere: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:29:41 -0000 If I will be in Philly (and still on Friday), then I can ay a few word on tatus of the snmp-measure document draft-irtf-nmrg-snmp-measure But it is still unclear if I will/can make it. Airlines are giving me a hard time to find a reasonable flight to/from Philly for my frequent flyrer miles. I am still trying. Bert Wijnen > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: nmrg-bounces@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de > [mailto:nmrg-bounces@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de]Namens Juergen Schoenwaelder > Verzonden: dinsdag 4 maart 2008 13:46 > Aan: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de > Onderwerp: [nmrg] philadelphia meeting agenda > > > Hi, > > I have posted a draft agenda for the Philadelphia meeting on the NMRG > web site: > > http://www.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de/projects/nmrg/meetings/2008/philadelphia/ > > Bert, are you actually available to say a few words concerning the > status of the ID you are shepherding? I have allocated 5 minutes for > that. > > /js > > PS: Since the NMRG is not an IETF working group, we can't directly > link the agenda to the meeting web page. > > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > -- > !! 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To > unsubscribe or adjust > !! your settings, send a mail message to > !! or look at https://mail.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de/mailman/listinfo/nmrg. > Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by bierator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m24CquYJ023436 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 13:53:01 +0100 Received: from localhost (demetrius.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 768B98AB85 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 13:52:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20524-02-38; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 13:52:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.iuhb02.iu-bremen.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C7BF8A6CC; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 13:46:28 +0100 (CET) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 5E2A94DE9E1; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 13:46:27 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 13:46:27 +0100 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de Message-ID: <20080304124627.GA6847@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new 2.3.3 (20050822) at jacobs-university.de X-IBRFilter-SpamReport: -2.599 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 134.169.34.9 Subject: [nmrg] philadelphia meeting agenda X-BeenThere: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de List-Id: Network Management Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 12:53:03 -0000 Hi, I have posted a draft agenda for the Philadelphia meeting on the NMRG web site: http://www.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de/projects/nmrg/meetings/2008/philadelphia/ Bert, are you actually available to say a few words concerning the status of the ID you are shepherding? I have allocated 5 minutes for that. /js PS: Since the NMRG is not an IETF working group, we can't directly link the agenda to the meeting web page. -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 Received: from relay.versatel.net (relay.versatel.net [62.250.3.110]) by bierator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with SMTP id m22EYaZ5003820 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:34:41 +0100 Received: (qmail 77047 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2008 14:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bwMedion) (87.215.199.34) by relay.versatel.net with SMTP; 2 Mar 2008 14:34:36 -0000 From: "Bert Wijnen - IETF" To: "Sharon Chisholm" Subject: RE: [nmrg] RE: NMRG Last Call: draft-irtf-nmrg-snmp-measure-01.txtforInformational RFC Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:34:40 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20071207113212.GC11352@elstar.local> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-IBRFilter-SpamReport: 0.001 () BAYES_50 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 134.169.34.9 Cc: Nmrg X-BeenThere: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 14:34:45 -0000 Sharon, if you want to re-check, pls do so before 13 march The current revision is rev 03. Bert Wijnen document shepherd > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de] > Verzonden: vrijdag 7 december 2007 12:32 > Aan: Sharon Chisholm > CC: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) > Onderwerp: Re: [nmrg] RE: NMRG Last Call: > draft-irtf-nmrg-snmp-measure-01.txtforInformational RFC > > > On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 02:13:47PM -0500, Sharon Chisholm wrote: > > > My comments are embedded in the attachment. It will be interesting to > > get the results of this analysis. > > I have addressed most of your comments - some were already raised by > others and were already resolved; since you provided comments in PDF > annotations, I can't easily go through them and I suggest you diff the > next version of the ID and check that I got things right. > > The XSD is not in the subversion repository; I am not including it > into the document since this makes the document much longer, leads to > questions in case there would be inconsistencies, and the XSD is > finally just the output of trang anyway (so easy to reproduce). > > /js > > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) by bierator.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m21HC2v6001647 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 18:12:07 +0100 Received: from localhost (demetrius.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D520C8A4A1; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 18:12:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09035-03-2; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 18:11:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.iuhb02.iu-bremen.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 818DF8A47A; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 18:11:55 +0100 (CET) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 6F5CA4D8C6F; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 18:11:54 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 18:11:54 +0100 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Mark Burgess Subject: Re: [nmrg] FW: RE: NMRG Last Call: draft-irtf-nmrg-snmp-measure-01.txt forInformational RFC Message-ID: <20080301171154.GA2681@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Mark Burgess , nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new 2.3.3 (20050822) at jacobs-university.de X-IBRFilter-SpamReport: 0.001 () BAYES_50 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 134.169.34.9 Cc: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de, Mark Burgess X-BeenThere: nmrg@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de List-Id: Network Management Research Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 17:12:09 -0000 On Friday, Feb 16, 2007, Mark Burgess wrote: > Here are my comments: It seems I did not respond to your comments - at least I can't find a response in my personal archive. So let me respond now... > It is unclear from the title of the document that this is a proposal > for a future study, with guidelines and recommendations. The title > suggests that the document will provide some answers, but it does not. I am not sure why the title suggests results. I think it is pretty neutral and there were no other comments asking for changing the title. So I keep it as is. > On p.2 "This document descirbes an effort to collect...." Is the > effort past, present or future? The wording has changed to "This document proposes to carry out large scale SNMP traffic measurements in order to ...". > Also, it claims to descrie tools etc, but I am not sure that these > have been highlighted clearly enough in the text. There is no detailed description of tools since RFCs usually do not intent to replace manual pages or proper handbooks. The text does mention useful tools and provides pointers for further information, so I think the sentence is acceptable. > It is also not clear from the document what the point of the study > would be. Why are we carrying out the study? Some time is spent to > criticize the state of previous measurements, but these comments are > not followed up in the conclusion to indicate how the proposed study > would be an improvement. Section 3 is all about the why. > p4. What is the reason for capturing a full week of data? To be able > to observe the widely observed trends in activity over a week. Yes. > in this case measurements should always be collected in time-spans > of whole-weeks so that multiple measurements can be compared at > corresponding times. The text says: It is recommended to capture at least a full week of data. Operators are encouraged to capture traces over even longer periods of time. The second sentence clearly encourages longer capture periods. In many cases, the end times of captures are determined by some independent event (such as disk full or a required reboot ;-). > On p6. 2.4 some very specfific technologies are mentioned. Is it > necessary to be this specific? I don't think it hurts. > Also in 2.5, I am not sure why we need to mention Perl or C/C++. The wording of this text has been changed to be less Perl specific. > On p8 sec 3.2, is the title meant to be "periodic versus aperiodic > SNMP traffic"? i.e. is this the traffice caused by polling overhead of > udp/snmp or is this some other traffic. If so why could it be periodic? Management systems usually poll certain statistics periodically. Independent of this period traffic, we expect aperiodic traffic caused by humans interacting with the management system or by management systems taking automated actions based on some detected events. > After section 3.12 I lost interest in the details of the schemas. Understandable. ;-) /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103