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Please follow the link below:* https://www.townscript.com/e/isda21 *Registered attendee would be entitled to attend all the 10 plenary sessions and over 300+ paper presentations (online and offline) during December 13-17.* *Preliminary conference program:* http://www.mirlabs.org/isda21/program.php *** 7 Concurrent Conferences *** -- 21st International Conference on Intelligent Systems Design and Applications (ISDA=E2=80=9921) =E2=80=93- http://www.mirlabs.net/isda21 -- 21st International Conference on Hybrid Intelligent Systems (HIS'21) -- http://www.mirlabs.net/his21 -- 17th International Conference on Information Assurance and Security (IAS 2021) -- http://www.mirlabs.org/ias21 -- 13th International Conference on Soft Computing and Pattern Recognition (SoCPaR 2021) -- http://www.mirlabs.org/socpar21 -- 13th World Congress on Nature and Biologically Inspired Computing (NaBIC 2021) -- http://www.mirlabs.net/nabic21 -- The 12th International Conference on Innovations in Bio-Inspired Computing and Applications (IBICA'21) -- http://www.mirlabs.net/ibica21 -- The 11th World Congress on Information and Communication Technologies (WICT'21) --http://www.mirlabs.org/wict21 *** 10 Plenary Talks *** *Speaker 1:* Ant=C3=B4nio de Padua Braga, Federal University of Minas Gerai= s, Brazil Title: Large margin classification with graph-based models *Speaker 2: *Juergen Branke, University of Warwick, Coventry, United Kingdo= m Title: Learning to optimise =E2=80=93 optimal learning *Speaker 3:* Oscar Cordon, University of Granada, Spain Title: Hybrid Intelligent Systems for Forensic Anthropology and Human Identification *Speaker 4:* Kalyanmoy Deb, Michigan State University, USA Title: Customized Evolutionary Optimization for Practical Problem Solving *Speaker 5:* Marco Dorigo, Universit=C3=A9 Libre de Bruxelles, Belgium Title: Elicitation of Feature Concepts as Data Federative Innovation Literacy *Speaker 6: *Andries Engelbrecht, University of Stellenbosch, South Africa Title: Set-based Particle Swarm Optimization Approach to Portfolio Optimization *Speaker 7:* Fr=C3=A9d=C3=A9ric Guinand, Le Havre Normandy University, Fran= ce Title: Swarms of Unmanned Aerial Vehicles *Speaker 8:* Yukio Ohsawa, The University of Tokyo, Japan Title: Elicitation of Feature Concepts as Data Federative Innovation Literacy *Speaker 9:* G=C3=BCnther Raidl, Technische Universit=C3=A4t Wien, Austria Title: Combinatorial Optimization Meets (Reinforcement) Learning *Speaker 10:* Cengiz Toklu, Beykent University, Istanbul, Turkey Title: Hybrid Algorithms. 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** Please circulate this information to your colleagues and networks *= *

Please join us on= line during December 13-17, 2021.

Machine Intelligence Resear= ch Labs (MIR Labs) provides an international forum to share the latest rese= arch results, ideas and experiences in intelligent systems design and appli= cations; soft computing; information assurance and security; nature-inspire= d computing, pattern recognition; and information and communication technol= ogies by bringing together the leading communities in this research space. = MIR Labs events are built on a solid history, through ISDA to WICT, connect= ing young researchers with highly experienced peers to forge connections, w= hich can last for many years.=C2=A0

Attendee only registration is = open now until December 12, 2021. Please follow the link below:=C2=A0https://www.townscript.com/e/isda21

Reg= istered attendee would be entitled to attend all the 10 plenary sessions an= d over 300+ paper presentations (online and offline) during December 13-17.=

Preliminary conference program:

http://www.mirlabs.org/isda21/program.php

** 7 Concurrent Conferences **

-- 21st International Conference = on Intelligent Systems Design and Applications (ISDA=E2=80=9921)=C2=A0 =E2=80=93-=C2=A0htt= p://www.mirlabs.net/isda21

-- 21st International Conference on Hy= brid Intelligent Systems (HIS'21)=C2=A0

--=C2=A0http://www.mirlabs.net/his21=

-- 17th International Conference on Information Assurance and Securi= ty (IAS 2021)=C2=A0

--= =C2=A0http://www.mirlabs.org/ias21

-- 13th Interna= tional Conference on Soft Computing and Pattern Recognition (SoCPaR 2021)

=C2=A0--=C2=A0http://www.mirlabs.org/socpar21

-- 13th World Congress on = Nature and Biologically Inspired Computing (NaBIC 2021)=C2=A0

--=C2=A0http://www.m= irlabs.net/nabic21

-- The 12th International Conference on Innova= tions in Bio-Inspired Computing and Applications (IBICA'21)=C2=A0

--=C2=A0http= ://www.mirlabs.net/ibica21

-- The 11th World Congress on Informat= ion and Communication Technologies (WICT'21)=C2=A0

--http://www.mirlabs.org/wic= t21

** 10 Plenary Talks **

Speaker 1:=C2=A0An= t=C3=B4nio de Padua Braga, Federal University of Minas Gerais, Brazil

Title: Large margin classification with graph-based models

Speake= r 2:=C2=A0Juergen Branke, University of Warwick, Coventry, United Kingd= om

Title: Learning to optimise =E2=80=93 optimal learning

Sp= eaker 3:=C2=A0Oscar Cordon, University of Granada, Spain

Title: H= ybrid Intelligent Systems for Forensic Anthropology and Human Identificatio= n

Speaker 4:=C2=A0Kalyanmoy Deb, Michigan State University, US= A

Title:=C2=A0 Customized Evolutionary Optimization for Practical Pro= blem Solving

Speaker 5:=C2=A0Marco Dorigo, Universit=C3=A9 Lib= re de Bruxelles, Belgium

Title: Elicitation of Feature Concepts as Da= ta Federative Innovation Literacy

Speaker 6:=C2=A0Andries Enge= lbrecht, University of Stellenbosch, South Africa

Title: Set-based Pa= rticle Swarm Optimization Approach to Portfolio Optimization

Speak= er 7:=C2=A0Fr=C3=A9d=C3=A9ric Guinand, Le Havre Normandy University, Fr= ance

Title: Swarms of Unmanned Aerial Vehicles

Speaker 8:=C2=A0Yukio Ohsawa, The University of Tokyo, Japan

Title: Elicit= ation of Feature Concepts as Data Federative Innovation Literacy

S= peaker 9:=C2=A0G=C3=BCnther Raidl, Technische Universit=C3=A4t Wien, Au= stria

Title: Combinatorial Optimization Meets (Reinforcement) Learnin= g

Speaker 10:=C2=A0Cengiz Toklu, Beykent University, Istanbul,= Turkey

Title: Hybrid Algorithms. Applications to Structural Mechanic= s


**Technical Contact**

--------------= --------------------

Dr. Ajith Abraham

Email:=C2=A0ajith.abraham@ieee.org

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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear NMRG, This message starts the call for adoption as RG document for: Digital Twin Network: Concepts and Reference Architecture - draft-zhou-nmrg= -digitaltwin-network-concepts https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhou-nmrg-digitaltwin-network-concep= ts/ Please let us know if you support or not the work becoming a RG document. In all cases, provide detailed comments to support your opinion and send th= em on the mailing list. We are particularly interested in assessing the following aspects: 1. NMRG being a *research* group it is important to articulate well the = problem(s), challenge(s) and research questions. 2. Is the scientific soundness of the draft satisfying? (quality of the = scientific proposition, rigor of the method, impact) ; "the measure of succ= ess is the quality and impact of the research results" [RFC2014] 3. As the document proposes an *architecture*, it is important to provid= e a clear scope and positioning of this architecture with respect to networ= k management/automation/operation frameworks and where/how the proposed arc= hitecture will prove useful or aims at replacing/augmenting certain functio= nality The procedure for RG document adoption and important criteria are detailed = here: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/CVEyLUvfxJk1Ud5WdM9Y5LGvQm= U Given the time of the year, this call for adoption is open for four weeks a= nd ends on January 7th, 2022. Best regards, NMRG chairs Laurent & J=E9r=F4me --_000_KL1PR03MB57158ADD47E6843B1E2AF8E9E3719KL1PR03MB5715apcp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear NMRG,

 

This message starts the call for adoption as RG docu= ment for:

Digital Twin Network: Con= cepts and Reference Architecture - draft-zhou-nmrg-digitaltwin-network-conc= epts

https://d= atatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhou-nmrg-digitaltwin-network-concepts/

 

Please let us know if you support or not the work be= coming a RG document.

In all cases, provide detailed comments to suppor= t your opinion and send them on the mailing list.

We are particularly interested in assessing the foll= owing aspects:

  1. NMRG being= a *research* group it is important to articulate well the problem(s), chal= lenge(s) and research questions.
  2. Is the scientific soundness of the draft satisfying? (quality of the = scientific proposition, rigor of the method, impact) ; “the measure o= f success is the quality and impact of the research results” [RFC2014]
  3. As the document proposes an *architecture*, it is important= to provide a clear scope and positioning of this architecture with respect= to network management/automation/operation frameworks and where/how the proposed architecture will prove useful or aims at replacing/augmentin= g certain functionality

 

The procedure for RG document adoption and important= criteria are detailed here: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/CVEyLUvfxJk1Ud5WdM9Y5LGvQmU<= o:p>

 

Given the time of the year, this call for adoption i= s open for four weeks and ends on January 7th, 2022.

 

Best regards, NMRG chairs

Laurent & J=E9r=F4me

 

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2021 19:18:37 +0800 From: "maqiufang (A)" To: "nmrg@irtf.org" CC: "nmrg-chairs@irtf.org" Thread-Topic: call for adoption as RG document : draft-zhou-nmrg-digitaltwin-network-concepts Thread-Index: AdftunUyCVI/ihjgRwe0e8NuerFoMQCNnDfw Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 11:18:37 +0000 Message-ID: <06291ddb81d74a2993d355ff94478bcb@huawei.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.136.100.87] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_06291ddb81d74a2993d355ff94478bcbhuaweicom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nmrg] call for adoption as RG document : draft-zhou-nmrg-digitaltwin-network-concepts X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 11:18:48 -0000 --_000_06291ddb81d74a2993d355ff94478bcbhuaweicom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, all I have read the draft and support this work to become a RG document. I believe that a common understanding of basic definition and architecture = of digital twin networks is of great significance for the continuous resear= ch of digital twin. I have one question regarding the reference architecture: do we allow the a= pplication layer to interact with physical network directly? The user intent needs to be reflected into physical network after being tes= ted/diagnosed on the virtual twin network, but do we allow applications to = interact directly with the physical layer here? Or do we think that physical network should only be controlled by digital t= win network? Best Regards, Qiufang Ma From: nmrg [mailto:nmrg-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of Ciavaglia, Laurent Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 8:02 PM To: nmrg@irtf.org Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org Subject: [nmrg] call for adoption as RG document : draft-zhou-nmrg-digitalt= win-network-concepts Dear NMRG, This message starts the call for adoption as RG document for: Digital Twin Network: Concepts and Reference Architecture - draft-zhou-nmrg= -digitaltwin-network-concepts https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhou-nmrg-digitaltwin-network-concep= ts/ Please let us know if you support or not the work becoming a RG document. In all cases, provide detailed comments to support your opinion and send th= em on the mailing list. We are particularly interested in assessing the following aspects: 1. NMRG being a *research* group it is important to articulate well t= he problem(s), challenge(s) and research questions. 2. Is the scientific soundness of the draft satisfying? (quality of t= he scientific proposition, rigor of the method, impact) ; "the measure of s= uccess is the quality and impact of the research results" [RFC2014] 3. As the document proposes an *architecture*, it is important to pro= vide a clear scope and positioning of this architecture with respect to net= work management/automation/operation frameworks and where/how the proposed = architecture will prove useful or aims at replacing/augmenting certain func= tionality The procedure for RG document adoption and important criteria are detailed = here: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/CVEyLUvfxJk1Ud5WdM9Y5LGvQm= U Given the time of the year, this call for adoption is open for four weeks a= nd ends on January 7th, 2022. Best regards, NMRG chairs Laurent & J=E9r=F4me --_000_06291ddb81d74a2993d355ff94478bcbhuaweicom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, all

I have read the draft = and support this work to become a RG document.

I believe that a commo= n understanding of basic definition and architecture of digital twin networ= ks is of great significance for the continuous research of digital twin.

 

I have one question re= garding the reference architecture: do we allow the application layer to in= teract with physical network directly?

The user intent needs = to be reflected into physical network after being tested/diagnosed on the v= irtual twin network, but do we allow applications to interact directly with= the physical layer here?

Or do we think that ph= ysical network should only be controlled by digital twin network?

 

Best Regards,

Qiufang Ma<= /span>

 

From: nmrg [mail= to:nmrg-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of Ciavaglia, Laurent
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 8:02 PM
To: nmrg@irtf.org
Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org
Subject: [nmrg] call for adoption as RG document : draft-zhou-nmrg-d= igitaltwin-network-concepts

 

Dear = NMRG,

=  

This message starts the= call for adoption as RG document for:

Digi= tal Twin Network: Concepts and Reference Architecture - draft-zhou-nmrg-dig= italtwin-network-concepts

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhou-nmrg-digitaltwin-ne= twork-concepts/

 

Please let us know if y= ou support or not the work becoming a RG document.

In all cases, provid= e detailed comments to support your opinion and send them on the mailing li= st.

We are particularly int= erested in assessing the following aspects:

1.       NMRG being a *research* group it is important to ar= ticulate well the problem(s), challenge(s) and research questions.

2.       Is the scientific soundness of the draft satisfying= ? (quality of the scientific proposition, rigor of the method, impact) ; &#= 8220;the measure of success is the quality and impact of the research resul= ts” [RFC2014]

3.       As the document proposes an *architecture*, it is i= mportant to provide a clear scope and positioning of this architecture with= respect to network management/automation/operation frameworks and where/ho= w the proposed architecture will prove useful or aims at replacing/augmenting certain functionality

 

The procedure for RG do= cument adoption and important criteria are detailed here: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/CVEyLUvfxJk1Ud5WdM9Y5LGvQmU<= o:p>

 

Given the time of the y= ear, this call for adoption is open for four weeks and ends on January 7th, 2022.

 

Best regards, NMRG chai= rs

Laurent & J=E9r=F4m= e

 

--_000_06291ddb81d74a2993d355ff94478bcbhuaweicom_-- From nobody Tue Dec 14 04:06:35 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 288C53A0B42; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 04:06:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.588 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.588 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL=1.31, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AQnmEoNjCBBk; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 04:06:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from cmccmta1.chinamobile.com (cmccmta1.chinamobile.com [221.176.66.79]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 963023A07D1; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 04:06:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from spf.mail.chinamobile.com (unknown[172.16.121.13]) by rmmx-syy-dmz-app01-12001 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee161b888b4908-194ef; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 20:06:15 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee161b888b4908-194ef X-RM-TagInfo: emlType=0 X-RM-SPAM-FLAG: 00000000 Received: from cmccPC (unknown[103.35.105.44]) by rmsmtp-syy-appsvr07-12007 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee761b888b571b-7689d; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 20:06:15 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee761b888b571b-7689d From: "Cheng Zhou" To: "'maqiufang \(A\)'" , Cc: References: <06291ddb81d74a2993d355ff94478bcb@huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <06291ddb81d74a2993d355ff94478bcb@huawei.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2021 20:06:13 +0800 Message-ID: <049e01d7f0e2$fdc99280$f95cb780$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_049F_01D7F126.0BECD280" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdftunUyCVI/ihjgRwe0e8NuerFoMQCNnDfwADwbWdA= Content-Language: zh-cn Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nmrg] call for adoption as RG document : draft-zhou-nmrg-digitaltwin-network-concepts X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2021 12:06:33 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_049F_01D7F126.0BECD280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Qiufang,=20 =20 Thanks for your support and good question. Our understanding is that the application is using digital twin network = layer to control the physical network indirectly. This way, control = changes can be simulated and verified before being deployed onto = physical network. So, we think the application layer to interact with physical network = directly is not in the scope of this draft. =20 Thanks and Best Regards, Cheng Zhou=20 =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: nmrg [mailto:nmrg-bounces@irtf.org] = =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 maqiufang (A) =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: = 2021=E5=B9=B412=E6=9C=8813=E6=97=A5 19:19 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: nmrg@irtf.org =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [nmrg] call for adoption as RG document : = draft-zhou-nmrg-digitaltwin-network-concepts =20 Hi, all I have read the draft and support this work to become a RG document.=20 I believe that a common understanding of basic definition and = architecture of digital twin networks is of great significance for the = continuous research of digital twin. =20 I have one question regarding the reference architecture: do we allow = the application layer to interact with physical network directly?=20 The user intent needs to be reflected into physical network after being = tested/diagnosed on the virtual twin network, but do we allow = applications to interact directly with the physical layer here? Or do we think that physical network should only be controlled by = digital twin network? =20 Best Regards, Qiufang Ma =20 From: nmrg [mailto:nmrg-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of Ciavaglia, = Laurent Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 8:02 PM To: nmrg@irtf.org Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org Subject: [nmrg] call for adoption as RG document : = draft-zhou-nmrg-digitaltwin-network-concepts =20 Dear NMRG, =20 This message starts the call for adoption as RG document for: Digital Twin Network: Concepts and Reference Architecture - = draft-zhou-nmrg-digitaltwin-network-concepts https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhou-nmrg-digitaltwin-network-conc= epts/ =20 Please let us know if you support or not the work becoming a RG = document. In all cases, provide detailed comments to support your opinion and send = them on the mailing list. We are particularly interested in assessing the following aspects: 1. NMRG being a *research* group it is important to articulate = well the problem(s), challenge(s) and research questions.=20 2. Is the scientific soundness of the draft satisfying? (quality = of the scientific proposition, rigor of the method, impact) ; = =E2=80=9Cthe measure of success is the quality and impact of the = research results=E2=80=9D [RFC2014] 3. As the document proposes an *architecture*, it is important to = provide a clear scope and positioning of this architecture with respect = to network management/automation/operation frameworks and where/how the = proposed architecture will prove useful or aims at replacing/augmenting = certain functionality =20 The procedure for RG document adoption and important criteria are = detailed here: = https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/CVEyLUvfxJk1Ud5WdM9Y5LGvQmU =20 Given the time of the year, this call for adoption is open for four = weeks and ends on January 7th, 2022. =20 Best regards, NMRG chairs Laurent & J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me =20 ------=_NextPart_000_049F_01D7F126.0BECD280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Qiufang, =

 

Thanks for your support and = good question.

Our understanding = is that the application is using digital twin network layer to control = the physical network indirectly. This way, control changes can be = simulated and verified before being deployed onto physical = network.

So, we think the application layer to interact = with physical network directly is not in the scope of this = draft.

 

Thanks and Best = Regards,

Cheng Zhou =

 

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB= =B6=E4=BA=BA: nmrg = [mailto:nmrg-bounces@irtf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1= =A8 maqiufang = (A)
=E5=8F=91=E9=80= =81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: = 2021=E5=B9=B412=E6=9C=8813=E6=97=A5 = 19:19
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: = nmrg@irtf.org
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=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [nmrg] call for = adoption as RG document : = draft-zhou-nmrg-digitaltwin-network-concepts

=

 

Hi, all

I have read = the draft and support this work to become a RG document. =

I believe that a common understanding of basic = definition and architecture of digital twin networks is of great = significance for the continuous research of digital = twin.

 

I have one = question regarding the reference architecture: do we allow the = application layer to interact with physical network directly? =

The user intent needs to be reflected into = physical network after being tested/diagnosed on the virtual twin = network, but do we allow applications to interact directly with the = physical layer here?

Or do we think that physical = network should only be controlled by digital twin = network?

 

Best = Regards,

Qiufang Ma

 

From: nmrg = [mailto:nmrg-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of Ciavaglia, = Laurent
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 8:02 PM
To: = nmrg@irtf.org
Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org
Subject: = [nmrg] call for adoption as RG document : = draft-zhou-nmrg-digitaltwin-network-concepts

<= /div>

 

Dear = NMRG,

 

This message starts the = call for adoption as RG document for:

Digital Twin Network: Concepts and Reference Architecture - = draft-zhou-nmrg-digitaltwin-network-concepts

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhou-nmrg-digitaltw= in-network-concepts/

 

Please let us know if = you support or not the work becoming a RG = document.

In all cases, provide = detailed comments to support your opinion and send them on the mailing = list.

We are particularly = interested in assessing the following aspects:

1.       NMRG being a *research* group it is important to articulate = well the problem(s), challenge(s) and research questions. =

2.       Is the scientific soundness of the draft satisfying? = (quality of the scientific proposition, rigor of the method, impact) ; = =E2=80=9Cthe measure of success is the quality and impact of the = research results=E2=80=9D [RFC2014]

3.       As the document proposes an *architecture*, it is important = to provide a clear scope and positioning of this architecture with = respect to network management/automation/operation frameworks and = where/how the proposed architecture will prove useful or aims at = replacing/augmenting certain functionality

 

The procedure for RG = document adoption and important criteria are detailed here: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/CVEyLUvfxJk1Ud5WdM9Y5LG= vQmU

 

Given the time of the = year, this call for adoption is open for four weeks and ends on = January 7th, 2022.

 

Best regards, NMRG = chairs

Laurent & = J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me

 

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Accepted papers will be published in the IFIP Digital Library as open acces= s and submitted to IEEE Xplore Digital Library (pending). The main purpose of the IFIP Networking 2022 Workshops is to provide fora f= or research, development, integration, standards, service provisioning, and= user communities addressing timely topics relevant to the main conference. Workshops can take different styles, for example, targeting students, speci= alizing on a scientific topic area, or fostering interaction between academ= ia and industry. We encourage fresh topics and workshop styles. SUBMISSION GUIDELINES Each workshop proposal, in a single PDF file, must include: 1. Title of the workshop and abbreviation. 2. Names, affiliations, e-mail addresses, and a short (200 words) bio of= the co-chairs and possibly other main organizers. 3. A brief description (max. 1 page) of the technical issues addressed b= y the workshop. State reasons why and how the workshop would attract the IF= IP Networking 2022 audience. 4. Technical Program Committee (TPC), indicating which of the TPC member= s already accepted and which are tentative 5. The planned format of the workshop (including other elements besides = technical sessions are foreseen) and how to facilitate lively and interacti= ve discussions. The format should also have a fallback plan in case IFIP Ne= tworking 2022 should go virtual. 6. If applicable, a description of the past events of the workshop, incl= uding website address, and statistics of submitted/accepted papers and atte= ndee numbers. If the workshop does not have past editions, please provide e= stimates and explain a strategy on how to reach the targets of paper submis= sions and attendees. 7. Publicity and advertising plan to attract paper submissions and atten= dees. 8. A draft of 1-page "Call for Papers (CFP)" including title, descriptio= n, topics and important dates (see also the tentative important dates below= ). Submission of workshop proposals should be made to the Workshop Chairs of I= FIP Networking 2022 by e-mail to the following address: pedro.casas@ait.ac.= at, indicating in the subject "IFIP Networkin= g 2022 Workshop Proposal". Selection of workshops will be made by the Workshop Chairs, in consultation= with the Conference General chairs. IMPORTANT DATES * Workshop proposal submission: 10 January 2022 * Workshop acceptance notification: 17 January 2022 * Workshop call for papers due: 24 January 2022 TENTATIVE WORKSHOP SCHEDULE * Paper submission: 21 March 2022 * Paper acceptance notification: 25 April 2022 * Camera ready: 2 May 2022 * Workshop date: 13 June 2022 Regards, Pedro Casas and Kaushik Chowdhury IFIP Networking 2022 Workshops co-chairs PEDRO CASAS Senior Scientist Data Science & Artificial Intelligence Center for Digital Safety & Security AIT Austrian Institute of Technology GmbH Giefinggasse 4 | 1210 Vienna | Austria T +43 50550-4104 | M +43 664 88256097 | F +43 50550-2813 pedro.casas@ait.ac.at | www.ait.ac.at FN: 115980 i HG Wien | UID: ATU14703506 www.ait.ac.at/Email-Disclaimer --_000_c7fdf198874e497aad5548d932e1819baitacat_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

IFIP Networking Conference 2022=

https://networking.ifip.org/2022/

Call for Workshop Proposals

 

+ Workshop proposal submiss= ion: 10 January 2022

+ Workshop acceptance notif= ication: 17 January 2022

+ Proposals should be sent = by e-mail to pedro.casas@ait.ac.at

 

IFIP Networking 2022, hosted by= the University of Catania in Sicily, Italy, is soliciting proposals for on= e-day workshops, to will be held on 13 June 2022 during the conference week= .

Accepted papers will be publish= ed in the IFIP Digital Library as open access and submitted to IEEE Xplore = Digital Library (pending).

The main purpose of the IFIP Ne= tworking 2022 Workshops is to provide fora for research, development, integ= ration, standards, service provisioning, and user communities addressing ti= mely topics relevant to the main conference.

Workshops can take different st= yles, for example, targeting students, specializing on a scientific topic a= rea, or fostering interaction between academia and industry. We encourage f= resh topics and workshop styles.

 

SUBMISSION GUIDELINES

 

Each workshop proposal, in a si= ngle PDF file, must include:

 

  1. Title of the workshop and abbreviation.
  2. Names, affiliations, e-mail addresses, and a short (20= 0 words) bio of the co-chairs and possibly other main organizers.
  3. A brief description (max. 1 page) of the technical iss= ues addressed by the workshop. State reasons why and how the workshop would= attract the IFIP Networking 2022 audience.
  4. Technical Program Committee (TPC), indicating which of= the TPC members already accepted and which are tentative
  5. The planned format of the workshop (including other el= ements besides technical sessions are foreseen) and how to facilitate livel= y and interactive discussions. The format should also have a fallback plan = in case IFIP Networking 2022 should go virtual.
  6. If applicable, a description of the past events of the= workshop, including website address, and statistics of submitted/accepted = papers and attendee numbers. If the workshop does not have past editions, p= lease provide estimates and explain a strategy on how to reach the targets of paper submissions and attendees.=
  7. Publicity and advertising plan to attract paper submis= sions and attendees.
  8. A draft of 1-page “Call for Papers (CFP)” = including title, description, topics and important dates (see also the tent= ative important dates below).

 

Submission of workshop proposal= s should be made to the Workshop Chairs of IFIP Networking 2022 by e-mail t= o the following address: pedro.casas@ait.ac.at, indicat= ing in the subject “IFIP Networking 2022 Workshop Proposal”.

Selection of workshops will be = made by the Workshop Chairs, in consultation with the Conference General ch= airs.

 

IMPORTANT DATES

 

  • Workshop proposal submission: 10 January 2022
  • Workshop acceptance notifica= tion: 17 January 2022
  • Work= shop call for papers due: 24 January 2022

 

TENTATIVE WORKSHOP SCHEDULE

 

  • Paper submission: 21 March 2022
  • Paper acceptance notification: 25 April 20= 22
  • Camera ready: 2 May 202= 2
  • Workshop date: 13 June 2= 022

 

 

Regards,

 

Pedro Casas and Kaushik Chowdhu= ry

IFIP Networking 2022 Workshops = co-chairs

 

PEDRO CASAS
Senior Scientist
Data Science & Artificial Intelligence

Center for Dig= ital Safety & Security

AIT Austrian Institute of Technology GmbH

Giefinggasse 4= | 1210 Vienna | Austria
T +43 50550-4104 | M +43 664 88256097 | F +43 50550-2813
pedro.casas@ait.ac.at | www.ait.ac.at

FN: 115980 i H= G Wien | UID: ATU14703506
www.ait.ac.at/Email-Dis= claimer

 

 

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We are posting -06 shortly. Re: 1 (better relate it to current research needs): We are adding the following paragraph, at the end of section 1, to indicate the growing relevance in the research community. /Intent has also become an important topic in the research community.  Per IEEE Xplore [Reference: //https://ieeexplore.ieee.org///] , in the past decade since 2012, there have been 1138 papers with the index term "intent", of which 411 specifically mention networking.  The time period since 2020 alone accounts for 316 papers on intent and 153 for intent networking, indicating accelerating interest.  In addition, workshops dedicated to this theme are beginning to appear, such as the IEEE International Workshop on Intent-Based Networking [Reference: //https://netsoft2021.ieee-netsoft.org/program/workshops/win-2021///], as well as various special journal issues [Reference: Special Issue on Intent-Based Networking for 5G-Envisioned Internet of Connected Vehicles, in IEEE Transactions on Intelligent Transportation Systems, vol. 22, no. 8, DOI: 10.1109/TITS.2021.3101259, August 2021] [Reference: Special Issue "Intent-Based Software-Defined Networks", in Computers (MDPI), M. Gharbaoui (editor), 2022, to appear].  A survey of current intent-driven networking research has been published in [L. Pang, C. Yang, D. Chen, Y. Song, M. Guizan, "A Survey on Intent-Driven Networks", in IEEE Access Vol 8 pp. 22862-22873, 2020, DOI: 10:110/ACCESS.2020.2969208], listing among the current research challenges aspects such as intent translation and understanding, intent interfaces, and security.  The survey highlights that there is no common terminology and calls out the lack for uniform understanding and standardization as a potential inhibitor for the further development  of IBN. / As an FYI (we are not mentioning this in the document), per Google Scholar, the current draft has already received 47 citations, which is also indicative of its relevance to the research community; see here: https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&user=YGBQsCQAAAAJ&cstart=20&pagesize=80&sortby=pubdate&citation_for_view=YGBQsCQAAAAJ:OP4eGU-M3BUC Re: 2: We believe that much of this should be answered by our response to the first question.  We will add the references to the current survey as per the above.  The examples that we chose are indeed networking-centric and intended to make them easily relatable to a networking audience without needing much explanation about the example domain.  We disagree that these are "old" problems, some (such as the  intent to generate in-situ OAM data under certain conditions, or intent-based traffic steering based on geographic considerations) are certainly very current. That said, we can add some more "researchy" examples of intent from research papers, as follows: /- "Route traffic in a Space Information Network in a way that minimizes dependency on stratospheric balloons unless the intended destination is an aircraft." (Does not specify how to precisely achieve this; extrapolates on scenarios mentioned in [Survey] // / // /- "For a smart city service, ensure traffic signal control traffic uses dedicated and redundant slices that avoid fate sharing." (A desired outcome with a set of constraints and additional guidance without specifying how to precisely achieve this;  extrapolates on scenarios from[Reference: M. Gharbaoui, B. Martini, P. Castoldi, "Implementation of an Intent Layer for SDN-enabled and QoS-aware Network Slicing", in 2021 IEEE 7th Int. Conference on Netowrk Softwarization (NetSoft), pp 17-23, doi: 10.1109/NetSoft51509.2021.9492643.] / Re: 3, we will repeat the statement from the abstract in the Introduction.  We are putting this in the beginning so it is very clear: /This document is a product of the IRTF Network Management Research//Group (NMRG). It reflects the consensus of the RG, receiving reviews and explicit support from many members./ Re: 4, as mentioned before, we will reword the first sentence to avoid the term "traditionally" as follows: /In the past, interest regarding management and operations in the IETF has focused largely on individual network and device features./ Please let us know if these modifications address your concerns. Thank you --- Alex (on behalf of coauthors) On 9/20/2021 12:25 PM, Colin Perkins wrote: > The NMRG chairs have requested that draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-concepts-definitions-05 be published as an RFC on the IRTF stream. The IRTF publication process is described in RFC 5743, and comprises a review by the IRSG to ensure technical and editorial quality, followed by a check by the IESG to ensure the work does not conflict with IETF standards activities. > > As IRTF Chair, I perform an initial review of all drafts submitted for publication on the IRTF stream before sending them for detailed review by the IRSG. This note provides my review comments, for discussion. > > Result: > * Almost ready > > RFC 5743 compliance: > * The draft does not follow the guidelines in RFC 5743 > > > Comments: > > * The structure and focus of the Introduction suggests that this is an IETF document, primarily discussing standards and saying little about the research need for this document. Similarly, there are no conclusions drawn, and no attempt to summarise and relate the work to ongoing research. The definitions and discussion of concepts is good, but the draft needs to better relate it to ongoing research needs and trends. > > * Most of the examples are standards-based, and the few that point to research work are to old papers. How does the work relate to current research? > > * RFC 5843, Section 2.1, requires all IRTF stream documents to include certain statements in the Abstract and Introduction. The necessary statements appear in the Abstract, but appear to be missing from the Introduction. > > * First sentence: “Traditionally in the IETF…” – the RFC Editor will flag the use of the word “traditionally” in their review of inclusive language. Suggest rephrasing. > > Colin Perkins > IRTF Chair --------------yugd9hkuAyBgYk4qdY5y3vba Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hello Colin, and all,

it has taken us a while, but we have now updated the draft per your comments as follows and hope it addresses your concerns so you will send it for IRSG review. We are posting -06 shortly. 

Re: 1 (better relate it to current research needs):

We are adding the following paragraph, at the end of section 1, to indicate the growing relevance in the research community.   

Intent has also become an important topic in the research community.  Per IEEE Xplore [Reference: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/] , in the past decade since 2012, there have been 1138 papers with the index term "intent", of which 411 specifically mention networking.  The time period since 2020 alone accounts for 316 papers on intent and 153 for intent networking, indicating accelerating interest.  In addition, workshops dedicated to this theme are beginning to appear, such as the IEEE International Workshop on Intent-Based Networking [Reference: https://netsoft2021.ieee-netsoft.org/program/workshops/win-2021/], as well as various special journal issues [Reference: Special Issue on Intent-Based Networking for 5G-Envisioned Internet of Connected Vehicles, in IEEE Transactions on Intelligent Transportation Systems, vol. 22, no. 8, DOI: 10.1109/TITS.2021.3101259, August 2021] [Reference: Special Issue "Intent-Based Software-Defined Networks", in Computers (MDPI), M. Gharbaoui (editor), 2022, to appear].  A survey of current intent-driven networking research has been published in [L. Pang, C. Yang, D. Chen, Y. Song, M. Guizan, "A Survey on Intent-Driven Networks", in IEEE Access Vol 8 pp. 22862-22873, 2020, DOI: 10:110/ACCESS.2020.2969208], listing among the current research challenges aspects such as intent translation and understanding, intent interfaces, and security.  The survey highlights that there is no common terminology and calls out the lack for uniform understanding and standardization as a potential inhibitor for the further development  of IBN.

As an FYI (we are not mentioning this in the document), per Google Scholar, the current draft has already received 47 citations, which is also indicative of its relevance to the research community; see here: https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&user=YGBQsCQAAAAJ&cstart=20&pagesize=80&sortby=pubdate&citation_for_view=YGBQsCQAAAAJ:OP4eGU-M3BUC

Re: 2: We believe that much of this should be answered by our response to the first question.  We will add the references to the current survey as per the above.  The examples that we chose are indeed networking-centric and intended to make them easily relatable to a networking audience without needing much explanation about the example domain.  We disagree that these are "old" problems, some (such as the  intent to generate in-situ OAM data under certain conditions, or intent-based traffic steering based on geographic considerations) are certainly very current.  That said, we can add some more "researchy" examples of intent from research papers, as follows:

- "Route traffic in a Space Information Network in a way that minimizes dependency on stratospheric balloons unless the intended destination is an aircraft." (Does not specify how to precisely achieve this; extrapolates on scenarios mentioned in [Survey]

- "For a smart city service, ensure traffic signal control traffic uses dedicated and redundant slices that avoid fate sharing." (A desired outcome with a set of constraints and additional guidance without specifying how to precisely achieve this;  extrapolates on scenarios from[Reference: M. Gharbaoui, B. Martini, P. Castoldi, "Implementation of an Intent Layer for SDN-enabled and QoS-aware Network Slicing", in 2021 IEEE 7th Int. Conference on Netowrk Softwarization (NetSoft), pp 17-23, doi: 10.1109/NetSoft51509.2021.9492643.] 

Re: 3, we will repeat the statement from the abstract in the Introduction.  We are putting this in the beginning so it is very clear:

This document is a product of the IRTF Network Management Research Group (NMRG). It reflects the consensus of the RG, receiving reviews and explicit support from many members.

Re: 4, as mentioned before, we will reword the first sentence to avoid the term "traditionally" as follows:

In the past, interest regarding management and operations in the IETF has focused largely on individual network and device features.

Please let us know if these modifications address your concerns.  

Thank you

--- Alex (on behalf of coauthors)

On 9/20/2021 12:25 PM, Colin Perkins wrote:
The NMRG chairs have requested that draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-concepts-definitions-05 be published as an RFC on the IRTF stream. The IRTF publication process is described in RFC 5743, and comprises a review by the IRSG to ensure technical and editorial quality, followed by a check by the IESG to ensure the work does not conflict with IETF standards activities. 

As IRTF Chair, I perform an initial review of all drafts submitted for publication on the IRTF stream before sending them for detailed review by the IRSG. This note provides my review comments, for discussion.

Result:
* Almost ready

RFC 5743 compliance:
* The draft does not follow the guidelines in RFC 5743


Comments:

* The structure and focus of the Introduction suggests that this is an IETF document, primarily discussing standards and saying little about the research need for this document. Similarly, there are no conclusions drawn, and no attempt to summarise and relate the work to ongoing research. The definitions and discussion of concepts is good, but the draft needs to better relate it to ongoing research needs and trends.

* Most of the examples are standards-based, and the few that point to research work are to old papers. How does the work relate to current research?

* RFC 5843, Section 2.1, requires all IRTF stream documents to include certain statements in the Abstract and Introduction. The necessary statements appear in the Abstract, but appear to be missing from the Introduction.

* First sentence: “Traditionally in the IETF…” – the RFC Editor will flag the use of the word “traditionally” in their review of inclusive language. Suggest rephrasing.

Colin Perkins
IRTF Chair
--------------yugd9hkuAyBgYk4qdY5y3vba-- From nobody Wed Dec 15 12:30:06 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@irtf.org Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8963C3A0E39; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 12:29:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: nmrg@irtf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.41.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nmrg@irtf.org Message-ID: <163960019126.21178.9047328053794378088@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2021 12:29:51 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [nmrg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-concepts-definitions-06.txt X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2021 20:29:53 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Management RG of the IRTF. Title : Intent-Based Networking - Concepts and Definitions Authors : Alexander Clemm Laurent Ciavaglia Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville Jeff Tantsura Filename : draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-concepts-definitions-06.txt Pages : 28 Date : 2021-12-15 Abstract: Intent and Intent-Based Networking (IBN) are taking the industry by storm. At the same time, IBN-related terms are often used loosely and inconsistently, in many cases overlapping and confused with other concepts such as "Policy." This document clarifies the concept of "Intent" and provides an overview of the functionality that is associated with it. The goal is to contribute towards a common and shared understanding of terms, concepts, and functionality that can be used as the foundation to guide further definition of associated research and engineering problems and their solutions. This document is a product of the IRTF Network Management Research Group (NMRG). It reflects the consensus of the RG, receiving reviews and explicit support from many members. It is published for informational purposes. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-concepts-definitions/ There is also an htmlized version available at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-concepts-definitions-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-concepts-definitions-06 Internet-Drafts are also available by rsync at rsync.ietf.org::internet-drafts From nobody Wed Dec 15 20:10:42 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 738033A0794; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 20:10:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.305 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.305 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_OBFUSCATE_10_20=0.093, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id caRsDgZdBY4N; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 20:10:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vk1-f176.google.com (mail-vk1-f176.google.com [209.85.221.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1289C3A0788; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 20:10:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-vk1-f176.google.com with SMTP id 188so16026302vku.8; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 20:10:34 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=bwT4aAxbATd2n75Gfu29JhhqosnWsWad/kDMAxxMw58=; b=PCp1hjbn9EnhHpCXVKkokTKuSGqd6hc0OilTG9hTyJgLJFGx2w05zRWpbKNxyfsQMe B3yHtYBW3w7U1HOSRImwHT8Q83Ls99DcAh6KKZVkEB8TOLfoGbzvIOR5aS9VzkUMTwQ9 eBeZHKXtIPMAkte2O0knqJrReFM4IjkZ1z8YA2Ep8lceF0VAwscHOlmuAzSiAjlBkBYa zjl6V7AXOxENz5QcAz9Tz21Iat1focKoqGZ3QyxP6Vg1XN+ncOsf//VOihLi07wNcP3c Cqh1wmNyk4/BL5FAxOnYZUroKtlMV2LNTI9fVrmdVNn/xM5l5fvVNtfT6uUDHSyz2JZI 4mOA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531kDG2Er6/Mex8hzAAc5VJJNTQq73D+0Cz+ChAaxp3GUZwk51Fv xQM+ek3bCu+RJ9srB7H6aPcEyoeLQWf8+/CSGcGEBQOJAQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyQ4kisffgc7c6QbZD9KJt02MbbIoDmvM89iierVQuA6J/8baPZ97UtX7397S/ifzWtKa7TCopIM74fv8fiCwQ= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6122:1696:: with SMTP id 22mr5631356vkl.2.1639627833902; Wed, 15 Dec 2021 20:10:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=A9ferson_Campos_Nobre?= Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 01:10:22 -0300 Message-ID: To: nmrg Cc: nmrg-chairs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009a8fdd05d33b9ab6" Archived-At: Subject: [nmrg] Poll NMRG Virtual Interim Meeting on IBN Use Cases - Jan/Feb 2022 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 04:10:40 -0000 --0000000000009a8fdd05d33b9ab6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, This is the poll for the next NMRG Virtual Interim Meeting on IBN Use Cases in January/February 2022. 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--0000000000009a8fdd05d33b9ab6-- From nobody Thu Dec 16 01:59:27 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27DEC3A03F4 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2021 01:59:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jKgHkOnbKb7i for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2021 01:59:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx2.ait.ac.at (mx2.ait.ac.at [62.218.164.132]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8C6B3A033F for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2021 01:59:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from pps.filterd (mx2.ait.ac.at [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.ait.ac.at (8.16.1.2/8.16.1.2) with SMTP id 1BG9vopj007828 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2021 10:59:13 +0100 Received: from mail.ait.ac.at ([10.101.249.171]) by mx2.ait.ac.at with ESMTP id 3cywkc076e-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2021 10:59:13 +0100 Received: from S0MSMAIL171.arc.local (10.101.249.171) by S0MSMAIL171.arc.local (10.101.249.171) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.2242.4; Thu, 16 Dec 2021 10:59:12 +0100 Received: from S0MSMAIL171.arc.local ([fe80::61f4:be02:4122:867f]) by S0MSMAIL171.arc.local ([fe80::61f4:be02:4122:867f%4]) with mapi id 15.01.2242.008; Thu, 16 Dec 2021 10:59:12 +0100 From: Casas Pedro To: "nmrg@irtf.org" Thread-Topic: [ACM SIGCOMM 2022] CFP: ACM SIGCOMM 2022 - paper registration/submission Jan 26/Feb 2, 2022 Thread-Index: AdfyY5GrVVhUiZ08T6WfBwq2nY34MA== Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 09:59:12 +0000 Message-ID: <171a3acea8894149be6b4e227eddbed7@ait.ac.at> Accept-Language: en-GB, de-AT, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.101.249.174] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_171a3acea8894149be6b4e227eddbed7aitacat_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.425, 18.0.790 definitions=2021-12-16_03:2021-12-13, 2021-12-16 signatures=0 Archived-At: Subject: [nmrg] [ACM SIGCOMM 2022] CFP: ACM SIGCOMM 2022 - paper registration/submission Jan 26/Feb 2, 2022 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 09:59:25 -0000 --_000_171a3acea8894149be6b4e227eddbed7aitacat_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ACM SIGCOMM 2022 August 22-26, 2022 Amsterdam, the Netherlands https://conferences.sigcomm.org/sigcomm/2022/ ***Important dates*** * Jan 26, 2022, 23:59 UTC -- Abstract registration deadline * Feb 2, 2022, 23:59 UTC -- Paper submission deadline * April 14/May 7, 2022 - Early/Notification date ***Call for Papers*** The ACM SIGCOMM 2022 conference seeks papers describing significant researc= h contributions to the field of communication networks and networked system= s. SIGCOMM takes a broad view of networking research, which includes (but i= s not limited to) the following topics: * All types of computer networks such as mobile, wide-area, data-center= , embedded, home, and enterprise networks. * All types of wired and wireless technologies, including optics, radio= , and acoustic and visible light-based communication. * All aspects of networks and networked systems such as architecture, p= acket-processing hardware and software, virtualization, mobility, resource = management, performance, energy consumption, topology, robustness, security= , diagnosis, verification, privacy, economics, evolution, and interactions = with applications. * All types of computer network design, analysis, and experimental appr= oaches such as theory, measurements, and machine learning-based techniques. SIGCOMM 2022 will accept submissions in two tracks. In the regular researc= h track, papers should significantly advance the state-of-the-art in networ= king by, for instance, proposing and developing novel ideas or rigorously (= re-)evaluating existing ideas. The review process will take the nature of t= he contribution into account. We strongly encourage authors to discuss not = only the benefits but also the limitations of their work. In the experience track, submissions should describe the design, analysis, = and evaluation of techniques in commercial or otherwise widely-used deploym= ent. Experience track submissions need not describe new ideas, but are stro= ngly encouraged to elucidate key insights and takeaways gathered from desig= n, deployment, or operational experience. The PC will evaluate these submis= sions with the understanding that the primary contributions may be in exten= ding the SIGCOMM community's knowledge of how known techniques fare when ad= apted to real-world settings, and particularly in settings that most in the= community cannot duplicate, for reasons of scale or otherwise. All submiss= ions must be double-blind (not revealing author names), but due to the natu= re of experience track submissions, they may reveal the company or system n= ame. At paper registration time, authors must explicitly indicate both in their = paper title and submission form if their paper is preferred to be considere= d for the experience or regular research track. Each submission will only b= e considered for the one track identified at submission time. The final con= ference program will not preserve the distinction between the two tracks. In addition to the main conference, SIGCOMM 2022 will have a series of co-l= ocated workshops, tutorials, poster and demo sessions, and conference best = paper and SIGCOMM awards. ***Submissions*** Papers submitted to SIGCOMM typically report novel results firmly substanti= ated by experimentation, deployment, simulation, or analysis. The program c= ommittee will judge submissions based upon novelty, significance, correctne= ss, clarity of presentation, and relevance to the SIGCOMM community. Submissions should be in two-column, 10-point format, and can be up to 12 p= ages in length with as many additional pages as necessary for references an= d optional appendices. Submissions and final papers may include appendices (following references, = not counting against the 12 pages). Reviewers are not required to read appe= ndices or consider them in their review. Authors should thus ensure that th= e core paper is complete and self-contained. For example, if the appendix p= rovides details of a proof or experiment, the body should summarize the key= result. Appendices may also include non-traditional material, such as vid= eos, datasets, and code, all appropriately anonymized. The review process will involve two rounds. Papers that are not selected t= o proceed after the first round will receive early notification, including = reviews. All accepted papers will be shepherded by a member of the program committee= to ensure the committee's feedback is appropriately addressed. The shephe= rd will also review appendices and must approve their necessity. For accepted papers, the official publication date is the date the proceedi= ngs are made available in the ACM Digital Library. This date may be up to t= wo weeks prior to the first day of the conference. The official publication= date affects the deadline for any patent filings related to published work= . (For those rare conferences whose proceedings are published in the ACM Di= gital Library after the conference is over, the official publication date r= emains the first day of the conference.) Detailed submission instructions can be found here --> https://conferences.= sigcomm.org/sigcomm/2022/submission.html Submission site: https://sigcomm2022.hotcrp.com ***Artifact Evaluation for Accepted Papers*** The authors of accepted SIGCOMM 2022 papers will be invited to submit suppo= rting materials to the Artifact Evaluation process. Artifact Evaluation is = run by a separate committee that will assess how well the submitted artifac= ts support the work described in the accepted papers. Participation in Arti= fact Evaluation is voluntary and has no influence on the paper's acceptance= , but is strongly encouraged. Papers that go through the Artifact Evaluatio= n process successfully will receive badges printed on the papers themselves= . Additional details on the Artifact Evaluation process can be found here. ***Public Summaries for Accepted Papers*** The SIGCOMM 2022 program will feature public summaries accompanying each ac= cepted paper. In most cases, the summary will be written by the paper's she= pherd and will provide an overview of the problem addressed in the paper an= d its solution, and highlight interesting future questions that arise. The = summary may additionally explain aspects of the paper the reviewers particu= larly liked. Summaries will be published along with the papers in the ACM D= igital Library. ***Ethical Concerns*** All papers must include, in the main body of the paper, a statement about e= thical issues; papers that do not include such a statement may be rejected.= This could be, if appropriate for the paper, simply the sentence "This wor= k does not raise any ethical issues." If the work involves human subjects o= r potentially sensitive data (e.g., user traffic or social network informat= ion, evaluation of censorship, etc.), the paper should clearly discuss thes= e issues, perhaps in a separate subsection. Papers must follow basic precepts of ethical research and subscribe to comm= unity norms. These include respect for privacy, secure storage of sensitive= data, voluntary and informed consent if human subjects are involved or oth= er people are placed at risk, avoiding deceptive practices when not essenti= al, beneficence (maximizing the benefits to an individual or to society whi= le minimizing potential harm to an individual), and risk mitigation. Author= s may want to consult the Menlo Report and the ACM ethics policy for furthe= r information on ethical principles, and they may find the Allman/Paxson pa= per in IMC 2007 helpful for a perspective on ethical data sharing. Many organizations have an ethics review process (sometimes called an Insti= tutional Review Board, IRB). In some cases, research work may clearly have = no human subjects, and formal institutional review may not be required. (Ho= wever, a sentence in the paper stating this evaluation is still required.) = In many cases, IRB involvement is appropriate. IRB approval of research is = an important factor and should be mentioned, but the program committee will= independently evaluate the ethical soundness of the work just as they eval= uate its technical soundness. The PC takes a broad view of what constitutes an ethical concern, and the P= C chairs may reach out to authors during the review process if questions ar= ise. You can contact the PC chairs at bmm@cs.duke.edu an= d pbg@illinois.edu ***Organizing Committee*** General Chairs * Ariel Orda, Technion * Fernando Kuipers, Delft University of Technology Program Committee Chairs * Bruce Maggs, Duke University * Brighten Godfrey, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Regards, Pedro Casas and Aaron Ding SIGCOMM 2022 Publicity Chairs PEDRO CASAS Senior Scientist Data Science & Artificial Intelligence Center for Digital Safety & Security AIT Austrian Institute of Technology GmbH Giefinggasse 4 | 1210 Vienna | Austria T +43 50550-4104 | M +43 664 88256097 | F +43 50550-2813 pedro.casas@ait.ac.at | www.ait.ac.at FN: 115980 i HG Wien | UID: ATU14703506 www.ait.ac.at/Email-Disclaimer --_000_171a3acea8894149be6b4e227eddbed7aitacat_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

ACM SIGCOMM 2022

August 22–26, 2022

Amsterdam, the Netherlands=

https://conferences.sigcomm.org/sigcomm/2022/

 

***Important dates***

  • Jan 26, 2022, 23:59 UTC -- Abstract registration deadline
  • Feb 2, 2022, 23:59 UTC -- Paper submission deadline=
  • April 14/May 7, 2022 – Early/Notification date

 

 

***Call for Papers***

 

The ACM SIGCOMM 2022 conference= seeks papers describing significant research contributions to the field of= communication networks and networked systems. SIGCOMM takes a broad view o= f networking research, which includes (but is not limited to) the following topics:

 

  • All types of computer networks such as mobile, wide-area, data-center, = embedded, home, and enterprise networks.
  • All type= s of wired and wireless technologies, including optics, radio, and acoustic= and visible light-based communication.
  • All aspec= ts of networks and networked systems such as architecture, packet-processin= g hardware and software, virtualization, mobility, resource management, per= formance, energy consumption, topology, robustness, security, diagnosis, verification, privacy, economic= s, evolution, and interactions with applications.
    • All types of computer network design, analysis, and experimental approache= s such as theory, measurements, and machine learning-based techniques.=

 

SIGCOMM 2022 will accept submis= sions in two tracks.  In the regular research track, papers should sig= nificantly advance the state-of-the-art in networking by, for instance, pro= posing and developing novel ideas or rigorously (re-)evaluating existing ideas. The review process will take the nature of= the contribution into account. We strongly encourage authors to discuss no= t only the benefits but also the limitations of their work.

 

In the experience track, submis= sions should describe the design, analysis, and evaluation of techniques in= commercial or otherwise widely-used deployment. Experience track submissio= ns need not describe new ideas, but are strongly encouraged to elucidate key insights and takeaways gathered f= rom design, deployment, or operational experience. The PC will evaluate the= se submissions with the understanding that the primary contributions may be= in extending the SIGCOMM community’s knowledge of how known techniques fare when adapted to real-world settings= , and particularly in settings that most in the community cannot duplicate,= for reasons of scale or otherwise. All submissions must be double-blind (n= ot revealing author names), but due to the nature of experience track submissions, they may reveal the com= pany or system name.

 

At paper registration time, aut= hors must explicitly indicate both in their paper title and submission form= if their paper is preferred to be considered for the experience or regular= research track. Each submission will only be considered for the one track identified at submission time. The fi= nal conference program will not preserve the distinction between the two tr= acks.

 

In addition to the main confere= nce, SIGCOMM 2022 will have a series of co-located workshops, tutorials, po= ster and demo sessions, and conference best paper and SIGCOMM awards.<= /o:p>

 

 

***Submissions***

 

Papers submitted to SIGCOMM typ= ically report novel results firmly substantiated by experimentation, deploy= ment, simulation, or analysis. The program committee will judge submissions= based upon novelty, significance, correctness, clarity of presentation, and relevance to the SIGCOMM community.

 

Submissions should be in two-co= lumn, 10-point format, and can be up to 12 pages in length with as many add= itional pages as necessary for references and optional appendices.

 

Submissions and final papers ma= y include appendices (following references, not counting against the 12 pag= es). Reviewers are not required to read appendices or consider them in thei= r review. Authors should thus ensure that the core paper is complete and self-contained. For example, if the ap= pendix provides details of a proof or experiment, the body should summarize= the key result.  Appendices may also include non-traditional material= , such as videos, datasets, and code, all appropriately anonymized.

 

The review process will involve= two rounds.  Papers that are not selected to proceed after the first = round will receive early notification, including reviews.=

 

All accepted papers will be she= pherded by a member of the program committee to ensure the committee’= s feedback is appropriately addressed.  The shepherd will also review = appendices and must approve their necessity.

 

For accepted papers, the offici= al publication date is the date the proceedings are made available in the A= CM Digital Library. This date may be up to two weeks prior to the first day= of the conference. The official publication date affects the deadline for any patent filings related to published work= . (For those rare conferences whose proceedings are published in the ACM Di= gital Library after the conference is over, the official publication date r= emains the first day of the conference.)

 

Detailed submission instruction= s can be found here à= ht= tps://conferences.sigcomm.org/sigcomm/2022/submission.html

 

Submission site: https://sigcomm2022.hotcrp.com

 

 

***Artifact Evaluation for Acce= pted Papers***

 

The authors of accepted SIGCOMM= 2022 papers will be invited to submit supporting materials to the Artifact= Evaluation process. Artifact Evaluation is run by a separate committee tha= t will assess how well the submitted artifacts support the work described in the accepted papers. Participation= in Artifact Evaluation is voluntary and has no influence on the paper̵= 7;s acceptance, but is strongly encouraged. Papers that go through the Arti= fact Evaluation process successfully will receive badges printed on the papers themselves. Additional details on the= Artifact Evaluation process can be found here.

 

 

***Public Summaries for Accepte= d Papers***

 

The SIGCOMM 2022 program will f= eature public summaries accompanying each accepted paper. In most cases, th= e summary will be written by the paper’s shepherd and will provide an= overview of the problem addressed in the paper and its solution, and highlight interesting future questions that ar= ise. The summary may additionally explain aspects of the paper the reviewer= s particularly liked. Summaries will be published along with the papers in = the ACM Digital Library.

 

 

***Ethical Concerns***

 

All papers must include, in the= main body of the paper, a statement about ethical issues; papers that do n= ot include such a statement may be rejected. This could be, if appropriate = for the paper, simply the sentence “This work does not raise any ethical issues.” If the work involves human = subjects or potentially sensitive data (e.g., user traffic or social networ= k information, evaluation of censorship, etc.), the paper should clearly di= scuss these issues, perhaps in a separate subsection.

 

Papers must follow basic precep= ts of ethical research and subscribe to community norms. These include resp= ect for privacy, secure storage of sensitive data, voluntary and informed c= onsent if human subjects are involved or other people are placed at risk, avoiding deceptive practices when not = essential, beneficence (maximizing the benefits to an individual or to soci= ety while minimizing potential harm to an individual), and risk mitigation.= Authors may want to consult the Menlo Report and the ACM ethics policy for further information on ethical = principles, and they may find the Allman/Paxson paper in IMC 2007 helpful f= or a perspective on ethical data sharing.

 

Many organizations have an ethi= cs review process (sometimes called an Institutional Review Board, IRB). In= some cases, research work may clearly have no human subjects, and formal i= nstitutional review may not be required. (However, a sentence in the paper stating this evaluation is still require= d.) In many cases, IRB involvement is appropriate. IRB approval of research= is an important factor and should be mentioned, but the program committee = will independently evaluate the ethical soundness of the work just as they evaluate its technical soundnes= s.

 

The PC takes a broad view of wh= at constitutes an ethical concern, and the PC chairs may reach out to autho= rs during the review process if questions arise.

 

 

You can contact the PC chairs a= t bmm@cs.duke.edu and pbg@illinois.ed= u

 

 

***Organizing Committee***=

 

General Chairs

  • Ariel Orda, Technion
  • Fernando Kuipers, Delft = University of Technology

 

Program Committee Chairs

  • Bruce Maggs, Duke University
  • Brighten Godfrey= , University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

 

 

Regards,

 

Pedro Casas and Aaron Ding=

SIGCOMM 2022 Publicity Chairs

 

 

PEDRO CASAS
Senior Scientist
Data Science & Artificial Intelligence

Center for Dig= ital Safety & Security

AIT Austrian Institute of Technology GmbH

Giefinggasse 4= | 1210 Vienna | Austria
T +43 50550-4104 | M +43 664 88256097 | F +43 50550-2813
pedro.casas@ait.ac.at | www.ait.ac.at

FN: 115980 i H= G Wien | UID: ATU14703506
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Please consider to contribute to and/or forwa= rd to the appropriate groups the following opportunity to submit and publis= h original scientific results to: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I= NVITATION ----------------------------------------------------------------= --------- ***************************************************************************= **************************** IEEE/IFIP ANMS 2022 =96 CALL FOR PAPERS 1st Workshop on Autonomous Network Management in 5G and beyond Systems (ANM= S 2022) Co-located with IFIP/IEEE NOMS 2022 Apr 25--29, 2022 // Budapest, Hungary Paper Submission: Jan 23, 2022 https://h2020= daemon.eu/workshop-ansm-2022/ ***************************************************************************= **************************** New networking systems aim to be fully Autonomous Networks (ANs) with manag= ement capabilities such as self-configuration, self-healing, self-optimizin= g, and self-evolving, aspects that today=92s networks do not support as the= ir management is mainly manual with some automated assistance. Artificial I= ntelligence (AI) (and more precisely Machine Learning (ML)) algorithms are = promising to empower the new generation of intelligent decision engines tha= t present self-dynamic capabilities to fully realize ANs. ANMS workshop foc= uses on novel research in AI-based and hybrid approaches (AI + non-AI) algo= rithms for AN management (closed-loop control) and Framework, algorithms, t= echniques, and tools to build and support AI-based solutions for ANs. Topics of interest include, but are not limited to: AI-based and hybrid approaches (AI + non-AI) algorithms for AN management (= closed loop control): * Decentralized management of multi-domain ANs. * End-to-end lifecycle of ANs. * Network resource and service automation and orchestration. * Automated network operation and maintenance. * Intelligent service provisioning and assurance. * Wireless network coverage optimization and assurance. * Wireless network energy saving. * Intelligent slice lifecycle management. * Metadata-driven policies to recognize and incorporate new knowledge i= n AN. * Efficient resource allocation and scheduling (e.g., spectrum, storage= , computing, processing). * Network state prediction and forecasting for AN. * Network monitoring systems (traffic recognition, anomaly detection, e= tc.) for AN. * AN management in resource-constrained environments. * AN management in Mobile Radio Access Networks (RANs) and Wireless Loc= al Area Networks (WLANs). * AN management in cognitive radio networks and opportunistic spectrum = access. * AN management in Mobile Edge Computing (MEC). * AN Management in Transport Networks (TNs). * End-to-end management of AN. * Security provision in ANs Framework, algorithms, techniques, and tools to build and support AI-based = solutions for ANs: * Architectures and frameworks to integrate AI in AN management (e.g., = MLOps optimized for networking). * Algorithms, techniques, methods and tools from AI adapted to network = management (e.g., online learning, reinforcement learning, hierarchical lea= rning, multi-task learning, federated learning, transfer learning, spike ne= ural networks, graph neural networks, resource-aware AI, explainable AI, on= e-shot learning, etc.). * Guidelines for designing and benchmarking AI-based solutions for netw= ork management. * Energy-efficient techniques for data pre-processing, resource allocat= ion, and model training and deployment of AI-based algorithms. * Lightweight communication protocols for AI-embedded network managemen= t (e.g., neural networks compression). * AI-enabled network simulation tools, testbeds, or hardware implementa= tions Paper Submission =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Paper submissions must present original, unpublished research or experience= s. Only original papers that have not been published or submitted for publi= cation elsewhere can be submitted. Each submission must be written in Engli= sh, accompanied by a 75 to 200 words abstract that clearly outlines the sco= pe and contributions of the paper. There is a length limitation of 6 pages = (including title, abstract, all figures, tables, and references) for regula= r papers, and 4 pages for short papers describing work in progress. Submiss= ions must be in IEEE 2-column style. Self-plagiarized papers will be reject= ed without further review. Authors should submit their papers via the follo= wing link: https://jems.sbc.org.br/home.cgi?c=3D4018 Extended versions of the best paper(s) may be considered for fast-tracking = to the Journal of Network and Systems Management (confirmed, https://www.sp= ringer.com/journal/10922, IF 2.026). The decision will depend on the qualit= y and scope of the paper(s) and its (their) potential to spark lively discu= ssion(s) at the workshop. The final decision will be made by the co-chairs = after the workshop. Important Dates =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Paper Submission: Jan 23, 2022 Acceptance: Feb 27, 2022 Camera-ready: Mar 13, 2022 General Chair =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Miguel Camelo, University of Antwerp =96 IMEC, Belgium Technical Program Committee Co-Chairs =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Danny De Vleeschauwer, Nokia Bell Labs, Belgium Francesc Wilhelmi, Centre Tecnol=F2gic de Telecomunicacions de Catalunya (C= TTC), Spain Technical Program Committee =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Adnan Shahid, Universiteit Gent =96 IMEC, Belgium Andres Garcia-Saavedra, NEC Laboratories Europe, Germany Antonio Bazco Nogueras, IMDEA Networks, Spain Chia-Yu Chang, Nokia Bell Labs, Belgium Chrysa Papagianni, Universiteit van Amsterdam, Netherlands Jorge Mart=EDn P=E9rez, Universidad Carlos III de Madrid, Spain Luca Cominardi, ADLINK Technology, France Marco Gramaglia, Universidad Carlos III de Madrid, Spain Nina Slamnik-Krijestorac, Universiteit Antwerpen =96 IMEC, Belgium Paola Soto-Arenas, Universiteit Antwerpen =96 IMEC, Belgium Sergio Barrachina-Mu=F1oz, Centre Tecnol=F2gic de Telecomunicacions de Cata= lunya (CTTC), Spain Kind regards, Miguel C. ________________________________________________ Dr. Miguel Camelo Research Lead AI4Networks Research Cluster IDLab, University of Antwerp, in collaboration with imec The Beacon | Sint-Pietersvliet 7 | 2000 Antwerpen | Belgium W: idlab.uantwerpen.be | idlab.technology | imec Tw: @IDLabResearch --_000_AS4PR05MB9446EEE3AB4638E913180006FE769AS4PR05MB9446eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Colleagues,

 

Apologies for cross-postings! P= lease consider to contribute to and/or forward to the appropriate groups th= e following opportunity to submit and publish original scientific results t= o:

 

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IEEE/IFIP ANMS 2022 =96 CALL FOR PAPERS=

1st Workshop on Autonomous Network Management in 5G and beyond Systems (AN= MS 2022)

Co-located with IFIP/IEEE NOMS 2022

Apr 25--29, 2022 // Budapest, Hungary

=     Paper Submission: Jan 23, 2022

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New networking systems aim to b= e fully Autonomous Networks (ANs) with management capabilities such as self= -configuration, self-healing, self-optimizing, and self-evolving, aspects t= hat today=92s networks do not support as their management is mainly manual with some automated assistance. Artif= icial Intelligence (AI) (and more precisely Machine Learning (ML)) algorith= ms are promising to empower the new generation of intelligent decision engi= nes that present self-dynamic capabilities to fully realize ANs. ANMS workshop focuses on novel research in AI-based = and hybrid approaches (AI + non-AI) algorithms for AN management (closed-lo= op control) and Framework, algorithms, techniques, and tools to build and s= upport AI-based solutions for ANs.

 

Topics of interest include, but= are not limited to:

 

AI-based and hybrid approaches = (AI + non-AI) algorithms for AN management (closed loop control):

  • Decentralized management of multi-domain ANs.
  • End-to-end lifecycle of ANs.=
  • Network resource and serv= ice automation and orchestration.
  • Automated network operation and maintenance.
    • =
  • Intelligent service provisioning and assurance.<= o:p>
  • Wireless network coverage = optimization and assurance.
  • Wireless network energy saving.
  • Intelligent slice lifecycle management.
  • Metadata-driven policies to recognize and incorporate= new knowledge in AN.
  • Effi= cient resource allocation and scheduling (e.g., spectrum, storage, computin= g, processing).
  • Network s= tate prediction and forecasting for AN.
  • Network monitoring systems (traffic recognition, anomaly dete= ction, etc.) for AN.
  • AN ma= nagement in resource-constrained environments.
  • = AN management in Mobile Radio Access Networks (RANs) a= nd Wireless Local Area Networks (WLANs).
  • AN management in cognitive radio networks and opportunistic = spectrum access.
  • AN manage= ment in Mobile Edge Computing (MEC).
  • AN Management in Transport Networks (TNs).
  • End-to-end management of AN.<= /li>
  • Security provision in ANs<= /li>

Framework, algorithms, techniqu= es, and tools to build and support AI-based solutions for ANs:

  • Architectures and frameworks to integrate AI in = AN management (e.g., MLOps optimized for networking).
  • Algorithms, techniques, methods and tools from = AI adapted to network management (e.g., online learning, reinforcement lear= ning, hierarchical learning, multi-task learning, federated learning, transfer learning, spike neural networks, gr= aph neural networks, resource-aware AI, explainable AI, one-shot learning, = etc.).
  • Guidelines for desi= gning and benchmarking AI-based solutions for network management.
  • Energy-efficient techniques for dat= a pre-processing, resource allocation, and model training and deployment of= AI-based algorithms.
  • Ligh= tweight communication protocols for AI-embedded network management (e.g., n= eural networks compression).
  • AI-enabled network simulation tools, testbeds, or hardware implementatio= ns

 

Paper Submission

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Paper submissions must present = original, unpublished research or experiences. Only original papers that ha= ve not been published or submitted for publication elsewhere can be submitt= ed. Each submission must be written in English, accompanied by a 75 to 200 words abstract that clearly outline= s the scope and contributions of the paper. There is a length limitation of= 6 pages (including title, abstract, all figures, tables, and references) f= or regular papers, and 4 pages for short papers describing work in progress. Submissions must be in IEEE 2-co= lumn style. Self-plagiarized papers will be rejected without further review= . Authors should submit their papers via the following link: https://jems.s= bc.org.br/home.cgi?c=3D4018

 

Extended versions of the best p= aper(s) may be considered for fast-tracking to the Journal of Network and Systems Management (confirmed, https://www.sp= ringer.com/journal/10922, IF 2.026). The decision will depend on the qualit= y and scope of the paper(s) and its (their) potential to spark lively discu= ssion(s) at the workshop. The final decision will be made by the co-chairs after the workshop.

 

Important Dates

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Paper Submission: Jan 23, 20= 22

Acceptance: Feb 27, 2022

Camera-ready: Mar 13, 2022=

 

General Chair

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Miguel Camelo, University of Antwerp =96 IMEC, Belgi= um

 

Technical Program Committee Co-Chairs

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Danny De Vleeschauwer, Nokia Bell Labs, Belgium=

Francesc Wilhelmi, Centre Tecnol=F2gic de Telecomuni= cacions de Catalunya (CTTC), Spain

 

Technical Program Committee

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Adnan Shahid, Universiteit Gent =96 IMEC, Belgium

Andres Garcia-Saavedra, NEC Laboratories Europe, Ger= many

Antonio Bazco Nogueras, IMDEA Networks, Spain

Chia-Yu Chang, Nokia Bell Labs, Belgium

Chrysa Papagianni, Universiteit van Amsterdam, Nethe= rlands

Jorge Mart=EDn P=E9rez, Universidad Carlos III de Ma= drid, Spain

Luca Cominardi, ADLINK Technology, France=

Marco Gramaglia, Universidad Carlos III de Madrid, S= pain

Nina Slamnik-Krijestorac, Universiteit Antwerpen =96= IMEC, Belgium

Paola Soto-Arenas, Universiteit Antwerpen =96 IMEC, = Belgium

Sergio Barrachina-Mu=F1oz, Centre Tecnol=F2gic de Te= lecomunicacions de Catalunya (CTTC), Spain

 

Kind regards,

Miguel C.

_______________________________= _________________

Dr. Miguel Camelo
Research Lead

AI4Networks Research Cluster IDLab, University of Antwerp, in collaboration with imec
The Beacon | Sint-Pietersvliet 7 | 2000 Antwerpen | Belgium
W: idlab.uantwerpen.be | idlab.technology | imec
Tw: @IDLabResearch

 

--_000_AS4PR05MB9446EEE3AB4638E913180006FE769AS4PR05MB9446eurp_-- From nobody Thu Dec 16 15:08:26 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80AA23A0EFC; Thu, 16 Dec 2021 15:08:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=csperkins.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WZ2OKltTXNRI; Thu, 16 Dec 2021 15:08:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from haggis.mythic-beasts.com (haggis.mythic-beasts.com [IPv6:2a00:1098:0:86:1000:0:2:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A482F3A0EF9; Thu, 16 Dec 2021 15:08:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=csperkins.org; s=mythic-beasts-k1; h=To:Date:Subject:From; bh=tOgaKzqBdQ/702IpYdp6LD9T3nF0LOQRPZ/Lh795zjs=; b=yxxsEi7lETpLP1pbQknZ+cHyNp bEvTozc3QM3PN7O/QgTtnWmqUDUCOFcBhVcDyI4F5dr7A238wXYYabNuknTm7aSVpzr4ImLZmmn9l C5AcU3UOuzO87X1YK8zaf8RV+WJhxjKrWoL6/u+COssMr/tZD2qSUxz4A72rBaTlAPFqJgryz2ctY hZsc1djnbQmIn94XsFuJrEDOCTtTqtLMwPVMuZq7flnd5zfhTKw3k+dzPWVf39iU9wEddvz+QVTzX RhHHAxmXjm5viyLvvCzXNenjMJ1k9QH6kfOo7PnCjzmA96IlCaxjijWjRIQptynwVZ1RFwKaWvRZI sMQpkqag==; Received: from [81.187.2.149] (port=46880 helo=[192.168.0.67]) by haggis.mythic-beasts.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1mxzr9-0006k6-TN; Thu, 16 Dec 2021 23:08:12 +0000 From: Colin Perkins Message-Id: <223003FB-A450-48E0-805A-23C3F007536D@csperkins.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7754D539-33AF-4032-8D00-2CC4201AAB27" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.21\)) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 23:08:01 +0000 In-Reply-To: <7e960cc3-5f40-7e9c-1da5-7a64a47b0835@clemm.org> Cc: draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-concepts-definitions@ietf.org, nmrg-chairs@irtf.org, nmrg@irtf.org To: Alexander L Clemm References: <15E2479C-5D4C-4CD7-BB55-869BD4B69530@csperkins.org> <7e960cc3-5f40-7e9c-1da5-7a64a47b0835@clemm.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.21) X-BlackCat-Spam-Score: 4 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nmrg] IRTF Chair review of draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-concepts-definitions-05 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 23:08:25 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_7754D539-33AF-4032-8D00-2CC4201AAB27 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Alex, Thank you for updating the draft. The changes around terminology and consensus are fine. The other changes to the Introduction, to highlight that there is = research on intent-based networking, are less convincing. It=E2=80=99s = clear that the topic of intent-based networking is one that's receiving = interest from the community, but I was rather interested in = understanding how this draft fits with ongoing research since the = Introduction is so heavily focussed on standards. Reviewing the = citations you highlight in Google Scholar, however, makes it clear that = the definitions are broadly useful to the research community.=20 Accordingly, I'll move this draft forward to IRSG review if the chairs = are happy with the changes.=20 I would, however, ask the document shepherd to update the write-up in = the datatracker to highlight the papers and research that build on this = draft =E2=80=93 this would make it=E2=80=99s relevance to the research = community clearer. Colin > On 15 Dec 2021, at 01:04, Alexander L Clemm wrote: >=20 > Hello Colin, and all, >=20 > it has taken us a while, but we have now updated the draft per your = comments as follows and hope it addresses your concerns so you will send = it for IRSG review. We are posting -06 shortly. =20 >=20 > Re: 1 (better relate it to current research needs): >=20 > We are adding the following paragraph, at the end of section 1, to = indicate the growing relevance in the research community. =20 >=20 > Intent has also become an important topic in the research community. = Per IEEE Xplore [Reference: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/ = ] , in the past decade since 2012, there = have been 1138 papers with the index term "intent", of which 411 = specifically mention networking. The time period since 2020 alone = accounts for 316 papers on intent and 153 for intent networking, = indicating accelerating interest. In addition, workshops dedicated to = this theme are beginning to appear, such as the IEEE International = Workshop on Intent-Based Networking [Reference: = https://netsoft2021.ieee-netsoft.org/program/workshops/win-2021/ = ], as = well as various special journal issues [Reference: Special Issue on = Intent-Based Networking for 5G-Envisioned Internet of Connected = Vehicles, in IEEE Transactions on Intelligent Transportation Systems, = vol. 22, no. 8, DOI: 10.1109/TITS.2021.3101259, August 2021] [Reference: = Special Issue "Intent-Based Software-Defined Networks", in Computers = (MDPI), M. Gharbaoui (editor), 2022, to appear]. A survey of current = intent-driven networking research has been published in [L. Pang, C. = Yang, D. Chen, Y. Song, M. Guizan, "A Survey on Intent-Driven Networks", = in IEEE Access Vol 8 pp. 22862-22873, 2020, DOI: = 10:110/ACCESS.2020.2969208], listing among the current research = challenges aspects such as intent translation and understanding, intent = interfaces, and security. The survey highlights that there is = no common terminology and calls out the lack for uniform understanding = and standardization as a potential inhibitor for the further development = of IBN.=20 >=20 > As an FYI (we are not mentioning this in the document), per Google = Scholar, the current draft has already received 47 citations, which is = also indicative of its relevance to the research community; see here: = https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=3Dview_citation&hl=3Den&user=3D= YGBQsCQAAAAJ&cstart=3D20&pagesize=3D80&sortby=3Dpubdate&citation_for_view=3D= YGBQsCQAAAAJ:OP4eGU-M3BUC = > Re: 2: We believe that much of this should be answered by our response = to the first question. We will add the references to the current survey = as per the above. The examples that we chose are indeed = networking-centric and intended to make them easily relatable to a = networking audience without needing much explanation about the example = domain. We disagree that these are "old" problems, some (such as the = intent to generate in-situ OAM data under certain conditions, or = intent-based traffic steering based on geographic considerations) are = certainly very current. That said, we can add some more "researchy" = examples of intent from research papers, as follows: >=20 > - "Route traffic in a Space Information Network in a way that = minimizes dependency on stratospheric balloons unless the intended = destination is an aircraft." (Does not specify how to precisely achieve = this; extrapolates on scenarios mentioned in [Survey]=20 >=20 > - "For a smart city service, ensure traffic signal control traffic = uses dedicated and redundant slices that avoid fate sharing." (A desired = outcome with a set of constraints and additional guidance without = specifying how to precisely achieve this; extrapolates on scenarios = from[Reference: M. Gharbaoui, B. Martini, P. Castoldi, "Implementation = of an Intent Layer for SDN-enabled and QoS-aware Network Slicing", in = 2021 IEEE 7th Int. Conference on Netowrk Softwarization (NetSoft), pp = 17-23, doi: 10.1109/NetSoft51509.2021.9492643.] =20 >=20 > Re: 3, we will repeat the statement from the abstract in the = Introduction. We are putting this in the beginning so it is very clear:=20= >=20 > This document is a product of the IRTF Network Management Research = Group (NMRG). It reflects the consensus of the RG, receiving reviews and = explicit support from many members. >=20 > Re: 4, as mentioned before, we will reword the first sentence to avoid = the term "traditionally" as follows:=20 >=20 > In the past, interest regarding management and operations in the IETF = has focused largely on individual network and device features. > Please let us know if these modifications address your concerns. =20 >=20 > Thank you=20 >=20 > --- Alex (on behalf of coauthors) >=20 > On 9/20/2021 12:25 PM, Colin Perkins wrote: >> The NMRG chairs have requested that = draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-concepts-definitions-05 be published as an RFC on = the IRTF stream. The IRTF publication process is described in RFC 5743, = and comprises a review by the IRSG to ensure technical and editorial = quality, followed by a check by the IESG to ensure the work does not = conflict with IETF standards activities.=20 >>=20 >> As IRTF Chair, I perform an initial review of all drafts submitted = for publication on the IRTF stream before sending them for detailed = review by the IRSG. This note provides my review comments, for = discussion. >>=20 >> Result: >> * Almost ready >>=20 >> RFC 5743 compliance: >> * The draft does not follow the guidelines in RFC 5743 >>=20 >>=20 >> Comments: >>=20 >> * The structure and focus of the Introduction suggests that this is = an IETF document, primarily discussing standards and saying little about = the research need for this document. Similarly, there are no conclusions = drawn, and no attempt to summarise and relate the work to ongoing = research. The definitions and discussion of concepts is good, but the = draft needs to better relate it to ongoing research needs and trends. >>=20 >> * Most of the examples are standards-based, and the few that point to = research work are to old papers. How does the work relate to current = research? >>=20 >> * RFC 5843, Section 2.1, requires all IRTF stream documents to = include certain statements in the Abstract and Introduction. The = necessary statements appear in the Abstract, but appear to be missing = from the Introduction. >>=20 >> * First sentence: =E2=80=9CTraditionally in the IETF=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D = =E2=80=93 the RFC Editor will flag the use of the word = =E2=80=9Ctraditionally=E2=80=9D in their review of inclusive language. = Suggest rephrasing. >>=20 >> Colin Perkins >> IRTF Chair --Apple-Mail=_7754D539-33AF-4032-8D00-2CC4201AAB27 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi = Alex,

Thank you for = updating the draft.

The changes around terminology and consensus are = fine.

The = other changes to the Introduction, to highlight that there is research = on intent-based networking, are less convincing. It=E2=80=99s clear that = the topic of intent-based networking is one that's receiving interest = from the community, but I was rather interested in understanding how = this draft fits with ongoing research since the Introduction is so = heavily focussed on standards. Reviewing the citations you highlight in = Google Scholar, however, makes it clear that the definitions are broadly = useful to the research community. 

Accordingly, I'll move this draft = forward to IRSG review if the chairs are happy with the = changes. 

I= would, however, ask the document shepherd to update the write-up in the = datatracker to highlight the papers and research that build on this = draft =E2=80=93 this would make it=E2=80=99s relevance to the research = community clearer.

Colin







On 15 Dec 2021, at 01:04, Alexander L Clemm = <ludwig@clemm.org> wrote:

=20 =20

Hello Colin, and all,

it = has taken us a while, but we have now updated the draft per your comments as follows and hope it addresses your concerns so you will send it for IRSG review. We are posting -06 = shortly. 

Re: 1 (better relate it to current research = needs):

We are adding the following paragraph, at the = end of section 1, to indicate the growing relevance in the research = community.   

Intent has also become an important = topic in the research community.  Per IEEE Xplore [Reference: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/= ] , in the past decade since 2012, there have been 1138 papers with the index term "intent", of which 411 specifically mention networking.  The time period since 2020 alone accounts for = 316 papers on intent and 153 for intent networking, indicating accelerating interest.  In addition, workshops dedicated to = this theme are beginning to appear, such as the IEEE International Workshop on Intent-Based Networking [Reference: = https://netsoft2021.ieee-netsoft.org/program/workshops/win-2021/], as well as various special journal issues [Reference: Special Issue on Intent-Based Networking for 5G-Envisioned Internet of Connected Vehicles, in IEEE Transactions on Intelligent Transportation Systems, vol. 22, no. 8, DOI: 10.1109/TITS.2021.3101259, August 2021] [Reference: Special Issue "Intent-Based Software-Defined Networks", in Computers (MDPI), M. Gharbaoui (editor), 2022, to appear].  A survey = of current intent-driven networking research has been published in [L. Pang, C. Yang, D. Chen, Y. Song, M. Guizan, "A Survey on Intent-Driven Networks", in IEEE Access Vol 8 pp. 22862-22873, 2020, DOI: 10:110/ACCESS.2020.2969208], listing among the current research challenges aspects such as intent translation and understanding, intent interfaces, and security.  The = survey highlights that there is no common terminology and calls out the lack for uniform understanding and standardization as a potential inhibitor for the further development  of IBN. =

As an FYI (we are not mentioning this in the = document), per Google Scholar, the current draft has already received 47 citations, which is also indicative of its relevance to the research community; see here: https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=3Dview_citation&am= p;hl=3Den&user=3DYGBQsCQAAAAJ&cstart=3D20&pagesize=3D80&so= rtby=3Dpubdate&citation_for_view=3DYGBQsCQAAAAJ:OP4eGU-M3BUC

Re: 2: We believe that much of this should be answered by = our response to the first question.  We will add the references = to the current survey as per the above.  The examples that we chose = are indeed networking-centric and intended to make them easily relatable to a networking audience without needing much explanation about the example domain.  We disagree that these = are "old" problems, some (such as the  intent to generate in-situ = OAM data under certain conditions, or intent-based traffic steering based on geographic considerations) are certainly very = current.  That said, we can add some more "researchy" examples of intent from research papers, as follows:

- = "Route traffic in a Space Information Network in a way that minimizes dependency on stratospheric balloons unless the intended destination is an aircraft." (Does not specify how to precisely achieve this; extrapolates on scenarios mentioned in [Survey]

- "For a smart city = service, ensure traffic signal control traffic uses dedicated and redundant slices that avoid fate sharing." (A desired outcome with a set of constraints and additional guidance without specifying how to precisely achieve this;  extrapolates on scenarios from[Reference: M. = Gharbaoui, B. Martini, P. Castoldi, "Implementation of an Intent Layer for SDN-enabled and QoS-aware Network Slicing", in 2021 IEEE 7th Int. Conference on Netowrk Softwarization (NetSoft), pp 17-23, doi: 10.1109/NetSoft51509.2021.9492643.] 
=

Re: 3, we will repeat the statement from the = abstract in the Introduction.  We are putting this in the beginning so it is = very clear:

This = document is a product of the IRTF Network Management Research Group (NMRG). It reflects the consensus of the RG, receiving reviews and explicit support from many members.

Re: 4, as mentioned = before, we will reword the first sentence to avoid the term "traditionally" as follows:

In the past, = interest regarding management and operations in the IETF has focused largely on individual network and device features.

Please let = us know if these modifications address your concerns.  

Thank you

--- Alex (on behalf of coauthors)

On 9/20/2021 12:25 PM, Colin Perkins wrote:
The NMRG chairs have =
requested that draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-concepts-definitions-05 be published =
as an RFC on the IRTF stream. The IRTF publication process is described =
in RFC 5743, and comprises a review by the IRSG to ensure technical and =
editorial quality, followed by a check by the IESG to ensure the work =
does not conflict with IETF standards activities.=20

As IRTF Chair, I perform an initial review of all drafts submitted for =
publication on the IRTF stream before sending them for detailed review =
by the IRSG. This note provides my review comments, for discussion.

Result:
* Almost ready

RFC 5743 compliance:
* The draft does not follow the guidelines in RFC 5743


Comments:

* The structure and focus of the Introduction suggests that this is an =
IETF document, primarily discussing standards and saying little about =
the research need for this document. Similarly, there are no conclusions =
drawn, and no attempt to summarise and relate the work to ongoing =
research. The definitions and discussion of concepts is good, but the =
draft needs to better relate it to ongoing research needs and trends.

* Most of the examples are standards-based, and the few that point to =
research work are to old papers. How does the work relate to current =
research?

* RFC 5843, Section 2.1, requires all IRTF stream documents to include =
certain statements in the Abstract and Introduction. The necessary =
statements appear in the Abstract, but appear to be missing from the =
Introduction.

* First sentence: =E2=80=9CTraditionally in the IETF=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D =
=E2=80=93 the RFC Editor will flag the use of the word =
=E2=80=9Ctraditionally=E2=80=9D in their review of inclusive language. =
Suggest rephrasing.

Colin Perkins
IRTF Chair

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Hi Al= l,

The draft proposes the conception, architecture, and = scenarios of digitaltwin network, which is valuable to network m= easurement, and also meaningful to the evolution of the network. =  

It has been discussed several times and is= mature enough. = So I support the adoption. 

Regards,
Peng Liu
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liupengyjy@outlook.com
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Date: 2021-12-10 20:01
To: nmrg@irtf.org
Subj= ect: [nmrg] call for adoption as RG document : draft-zhou-nmrg-dig= italtwin-network-concepts
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Dear NMRG,=0A=

 

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This message starts the call for adoption as RG d= ocument for:

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Digital Twin Network: Concept= s and Reference Architecture - draft-zhou-nmrg-digitaltwin-network-concepts=

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https://datatracker.ietf.o= rg/doc/draft-zhou-nmrg-digitaltwin-network-concepts/

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Please let us know if you support or not the work= becoming a RG document.

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In all cases, provide detailed comments to sup= port your opinion and send them on the mailing list.

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We are particularly interested in assessing the f= ollowing aspects:

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  1. NMRG being a *research* group i= t is important to articulate well the problem(s), challenge(s) and research= questions.=0A=
  2. Is the scientif= ic soundness of the draft satisfying? (quality of the scientific propositio= n, rigor of the method, impact) ; =E2=80=9Cthe measure of success is the qu= ality and impact of the research results=E2=80=9D=0A= [RFC2014]
  3. As th= e document proposes an *architecture*, it is important to provide a clear s= cope and positioning of this architecture with respect to network managemen= t/automation/operation frameworks and where/how=0A= the proposed architecture will prove useful or aims at replacing/augmentin= g certain functionality
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The procedure for RG document adoption and import= ant criteria are detailed here:=0A= =0A= https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/CVEyLUvfxJk1Ud5WdM9Y5LGvQmU<= o:p>

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Given the time of the year, this call for adoptio= n is open for four weeks and=0A= ends on January 7th, 2022.

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Best regards, NMRG chairs

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Laurent & J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me

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=0A= = ------=_001_NextPart613168263245_=------ From nobody Fri Dec 17 11:11:44 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C32793A08C3; Fri, 17 Dec 2021 11:11:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.747 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.747 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-1.852, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YM4rUp326Z3S; Fri, 17 Dec 2021 11:11:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 387093A08BF; Fri, 17 Dec 2021 11:11:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.16.0.44] ([73.189.160.186]) by mrelay.perfora.net (mreueus004 [74.208.5.2]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mvan4-1mfwyH1akQ-00si9V; Fri, 17 Dec 2021 20:11:27 +0100 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------sTOGpT1QsSgVQY4jnN0pRT6g" Message-ID: <7a670e60-c573-b431-4a30-05d8514fdcb2@clemm.org> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 11:11:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.4.0 Content-Language: en-US To: Colin Perkins Cc: draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-concepts-definitions@ietf.org, nmrg-chairs@irtf.org, nmrg@irtf.org References: <15E2479C-5D4C-4CD7-BB55-869BD4B69530@csperkins.org> <7e960cc3-5f40-7e9c-1da5-7a64a47b0835@clemm.org> <223003FB-A450-48E0-805A-23C3F007536D@csperkins.org> From: Alexander L Clemm In-Reply-To: <223003FB-A450-48E0-805A-23C3F007536D@csperkins.org> X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:69SYSTDW+90W+MLu/8pGBds5y3+zYsNWbv0XKdDowrIqgYhis8o lm9Q7bTKlS8zCFdU2JKQorYhbIs8BllpZ+VHW0fCzmPj3zbb4F+uA+pB5yq9DY0uyLzWM/d L17j+SVXVAivyr9FPYcr2P4MS/KpoYVyh8wkbwcJ+gu8bGFfCFCQC6IJkAX2yPjW61f6O8V 2R6sVQRShNeQa+o6xXB3g== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:oNo+KqLjf3o=:odc85k1GZQOMWczbBxhbAa +cp1YIjYGu0nyDgAcCeIdmm++K0Mn6Du5dnKrZbu45gWvmTmBzteyidU+GB1+fhhylE3m/KvY LwQpqPfnNd4uCLcib0wQlV+X6akah4viIRO5k81FjWD636foU1dwUFouPE9M8BQ3ofL3XNW5T HgyfOCb64UTarkY2GMnzE9tISIFidSl1vFq7io9Bi+YJIHqQ22mNVH8dQ/M2Qx0g6r1xYlBYX MZOsu2QXNJ2dYq4wvaOi4dfrIXpr2kwcWn9IjBhRXHpQ6R+GLoRBTIgJ+6uahcUgKeiJk16EI m8ItekIMZD1Xqe764MAvVXNstQad1bKfgaXYBnUhzFtDmOQjvgw7fsuxlT7ibrcWHFpmBwr14 csuLQnu8UHit0sKpLXM/ZZzGdR5oP258t13pyPJhpPNDQyuyWyMSvKfDPGKHCOcKPVafqxmZ+ wVKPEusqowHgaIWUh4WND+L3huCSGlYzQVdD4A6QdX09sWuXiCfd9hbLeKO6noJnCCDoablhs XzfUqrLdXxCmtqiojX3+n7VghBf9jCw4MnOo3ynpm+4WjFFeKTDHQxcFQGEK3UDmnOegUad6R wAqWDYvJl9FslNGdPxHgEuepl2YswXYr34rpXZqqIV94iKFgddwfh3DQb3WQE/s1WGdpuUF5X aOdJMNVlGznI4O2iHhiOP4HEcdqrpiJagtocgyX3FIwSXSDY3l2WXZyPz09vrOhxEPrE= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nmrg] IRTF Chair review of draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-concepts-definitions-05 X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 19:11:42 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------sTOGpT1QsSgVQY4jnN0pRT6g Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thank you, Colin, for moving this forward! --- Alex On 12/16/2021 3:08 PM, Colin Perkins wrote: > Hi Alex, > > Thank you for updating the draft. > > The changes around terminology and consensus are fine. > > The other changes to the Introduction, to highlight that there is > research on intent-based networking, are less convincing. It’s clear > that the topic of intent-based networking is one that's receiving > interest from the community, but I was rather interested in > understanding how this draft fits with ongoing research since the > Introduction is so heavily focussed on standards. Reviewing the > citations you highlight in Google Scholar, however, makes it clear > that the definitions are broadly useful to the research community. > > Accordingly, I'll move this draft forward to IRSG review if the chairs > are happy with the changes. > > I would, however, ask the document shepherd to update the write-up in > the datatracker to highlight the papers and research that build on > this draft – this would make it’s relevance to the research community > clearer. > > Colin > > > > > > > >> On 15 Dec 2021, at 01:04, Alexander L Clemm wrote: >> >> Hello Colin, and all, >> >> it has taken us a while, but we have now updated the draft per your >> comments as follows and hope it addresses your concerns so you will >> send it for IRSG review. We are posting -06 shortly. >> >> Re: 1 (better relate it to current research needs): >> >> We are adding the following paragraph, at the end of section 1, to >> indicate the growing relevance in the research community. >> >> /Intent has also become an important topic in the research >> community.  Per IEEE Xplore [Reference: >> //https://ieeexplore.ieee.org///] , in the past decade since 2012, >> there have been 1138 papers with the index term "intent", of which >> 411 specifically mention networking.  The time period since 2020 >> alone accounts for 316 papers on intent and 153 for intent >> networking, indicating accelerating interest.  In addition, workshops >> dedicated to this theme are beginning to appear, such as the IEEE >> International Workshop on Intent-Based Networking [Reference: >> //https://netsoft2021.ieee-netsoft.org/program/workshops/win-2021///], >> as well as various special journal issues [Reference: Special Issue >> on Intent-Based Networking for 5G-Envisioned Internet of Connected >> Vehicles, in IEEE Transactions on Intelligent Transportation Systems, >> vol. 22, no. 8, DOI: 10.1109/TITS.2021.3101259, August 2021] >> [Reference: Special Issue "Intent-Based Software-Defined Networks", >> in Computers (MDPI), M. Gharbaoui (editor), 2022, to appear].  A >> survey of current intent-driven networking research has been >> published in [L. Pang, C. Yang, D. Chen, Y. Song, M. Guizan, "A >> Survey on Intent-Driven Networks", in IEEE Access Vol 8 pp. >> 22862-22873, 2020, DOI: 10:110/ACCESS.2020.2969208], listing among >> the current research challenges aspects such as intent translation >> and understanding, intent interfaces, and security.  The survey >> highlights that there is no common terminology and calls out the lack >> for uniform understanding and standardization as a potential >> inhibitor for the further development  of IBN. >> / >> >> As an FYI (we are not mentioning this in the document), per Google >> Scholar, the current draft has already received 47 citations, which >> is also indicative of its relevance to the research community; see >> here: >> https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&user=YGBQsCQAAAAJ&cstart=20&pagesize=80&sortby=pubdate&citation_for_view=YGBQsCQAAAAJ:OP4eGU-M3BUC >> >> >> Re: 2: We believe that much of this should be answered by our >> response to the first question.  We will add the references to the >> current survey as per the above.  The examples that we chose are >> indeed networking-centric and intended to make them easily relatable >> to a networking audience without needing much explanation about the >> example domain.  We disagree that these are "old" problems, some >> (such as the  intent to generate in-situ OAM data under certain >> conditions, or intent-based traffic steering based on geographic >> considerations) are certainly very current.  That said, we can add >> some more "researchy" examples of intent from research papers, as >> follows: >> >> /- "Route traffic in a Space Information Network in a way that >> minimizes dependency on stratospheric balloons unless the intended >> destination is an aircraft." (Does not specify how to precisely >> achieve this; extrapolates on scenarios mentioned in [Survey] // >> / >> >> // >> >> /- "For a smart city service, ensure traffic signal control traffic >> uses dedicated and redundant slices that avoid fate sharing." (A >> desired outcome with a set of constraints and additional guidance >> without specifying how to precisely achieve this;  extrapolates on >> scenarios from[Reference: M. Gharbaoui, B. Martini, P. Castoldi, >> "Implementation of an Intent Layer for SDN-enabled and QoS-aware >> Network Slicing", in 2021 IEEE 7th Int. Conference on Netowrk >> Softwarization (NetSoft), pp 17-23, doi: >> 10.1109/NetSoft51509.2021.9492643.] / >> >> Re: 3, we will repeat the statement from the abstract in the >> Introduction.  We are putting this in the beginning so it is very clear: >> >> /This document is a product of the IRTF Network Management >> Research//Group (NMRG). It reflects the consensus of the RG, >> receiving reviews and explicit support from many members./ >> >> Re: 4, as mentioned before, we will reword the first sentence to >> avoid the term "traditionally" as follows: >> >> /In the past, interest regarding management and operations in the >> IETF has focused largely on individual network and device features./ >> >> Please let us know if these modifications address your concerns. >> >> Thank you >> >> --- Alex (on behalf of coauthors) >> >> On 9/20/2021 12:25 PM, Colin Perkins wrote: >>> The NMRG chairs have requested that draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-concepts-definitions-05 be published as an RFC on the IRTF stream. The IRTF publication process is described in RFC 5743, and comprises a review by the IRSG to ensure technical and editorial quality, followed by a check by the IESG to ensure the work does not conflict with IETF standards activities. >>> >>> As IRTF Chair, I perform an initial review of all drafts submitted for publication on the IRTF stream before sending them for detailed review by the IRSG. This note provides my review comments, for discussion. >>> >>> Result: >>> * Almost ready >>> >>> RFC 5743 compliance: >>> * The draft does not follow the guidelines in RFC 5743 >>> >>> >>> Comments: >>> >>> * The structure and focus of the Introduction suggests that this is an IETF document, primarily discussing standards and saying little about the research need for this document. Similarly, there are no conclusions drawn, and no attempt to summarise and relate the work to ongoing research. The definitions and discussion of concepts is good, but the draft needs to better relate it to ongoing research needs and trends. >>> >>> * Most of the examples are standards-based, and the few that point to research work are to old papers. How does the work relate to current research? >>> >>> * RFC 5843, Section 2.1, requires all IRTF stream documents to include certain statements in the Abstract and Introduction. The necessary statements appear in the Abstract, but appear to be missing from the Introduction. >>> >>> * First sentence: “Traditionally in the IETF…” – the RFC Editor will flag the use of the word “traditionally” in their review of inclusive language. Suggest rephrasing. >>> >>> Colin Perkins >>> IRTF Chair > --------------sTOGpT1QsSgVQY4jnN0pRT6g Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Thank you, Colin, for moving this forward!

--- Alex

On 12/16/2021 3:08 PM, Colin Perkins wrote:
Hi Alex,

Thank you for updating the draft.

The changes around terminology and consensus are fine.

The other changes to the Introduction, to highlight that there is research on intent-based networking, are less convincing. It’s clear that the topic of intent-based networking is one that's receiving interest from the community, but I was rather interested in understanding how this draft fits with ongoing research since the Introduction is so heavily focussed on standards. Reviewing the citations you highlight in Google Scholar, however, makes it clear that the definitions are broadly useful to the research community. 

Accordingly, I'll move this draft forward to IRSG review if the chairs are happy with the changes. 

I would, however, ask the document shepherd to update the write-up in the datatracker to highlight the papers and research that build on this draft – this would make it’s relevance to the research community clearer.

Colin







On 15 Dec 2021, at 01:04, Alexander L Clemm <ludwig@clemm.org> wrote:

Hello Colin, and all,

it has taken us a while, but we have now updated the draft per your comments as follows and hope it addresses your concerns so you will send it for IRSG review. We are posting -06 shortly. 

Re: 1 (better relate it to current research needs):

We are adding the following paragraph, at the end of section 1, to indicate the growing relevance in the research community.   

Intent has also become an important topic in the research community.  Per IEEE Xplore [Reference: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/] , in the past decade since 2012, there have been 1138 papers with the index term "intent", of which 411 specifically mention networking.  The time period since 2020 alone accounts for 316 papers on intent and 153 for intent networking, indicating accelerating interest.  In addition, workshops dedicated to this theme are beginning to appear, such as the IEEE International Workshop on Intent-Based Networking [Reference: https://netsoft2021.ieee-netsoft.org/program/workshops/win-2021/], as well as various special journal issues [Reference: Special Issue on Intent-Based Networking for 5G-Envisioned Internet of Connected Vehicles, in IEEE Transactions on Intelligent Transportation Systems, vol. 22, no. 8, DOI: 10.1109/TITS.2021.3101259, August 2021] [Reference: Special Issue "Intent-Based Software-Defined Networks", in Computers (MDPI), M. Gharbaoui (editor), 2022, to appear].  A survey of current intent-driven networking research has been published in [L. Pang, C. Yang, D. Chen, Y. Song, M. Guizan, "A Survey on Intent-Driven Networks", in IEEE Access Vol 8 pp. 22862-22873, 2020, DOI: 10:110/ACCESS.2020.2969208], listing among the current research challenges aspects such as intent translation and understanding, intent interfaces, and security.  The survey highlights that there is no common terminology and calls out the lack for uniform understanding and standardization as a potential inhibitor for the further development  of IBN.

As an FYI (we are not mentioning this in the document), per Google Scholar, the current draft has already received 47 citations, which is also indicative of its relevance to the research community; see here: https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&user=YGBQsCQAAAAJ&cstart=20&pagesize=80&sortby=pubdate&citation_for_view=YGBQsCQAAAAJ:OP4eGU-M3BUC

Re: 2: We believe that much of this should be answered by our response to the first question.  We will add the references to the current survey as per the above.  The examples that we chose are indeed networking-centric and intended to make them easily relatable to a networking audience without needing much explanation about the example domain.  We disagree that these are "old" problems, some (such as the  intent to generate in-situ OAM data under certain conditions, or intent-based traffic steering based on geographic considerations) are certainly very current.  That said, we can add some more "researchy" examples of intent from research papers, as follows:

- "Route traffic in a Space Information Network in a way that minimizes dependency on stratospheric balloons unless the intended destination is an aircraft." (Does not specify how to precisely achieve this; extrapolates on scenarios mentioned in [Survey]

- "For a smart city service, ensure traffic signal control traffic uses dedicated and redundant slices that avoid fate sharing." (A desired outcome with a set of constraints and additional guidance without specifying how to precisely achieve this;  extrapolates on scenarios from[Reference: M. Gharbaoui, B. Martini, P. Castoldi, "Implementation of an Intent Layer for SDN-enabled and QoS-aware Network Slicing", in 2021 IEEE 7th Int. Conference on Netowrk Softwarization (NetSoft), pp 17-23, doi: 10.1109/NetSoft51509.2021.9492643.] 

Re: 3, we will repeat the statement from the abstract in the Introduction.  We are putting this in the beginning so it is very clear:

This document is a product of the IRTF Network Management Research Group (NMRG). It reflects the consensus of the RG, receiving reviews and explicit support from many members.

Re: 4, as mentioned before, we will reword the first sentence to avoid the term "traditionally" as follows:

In the past, interest regarding management and operations in the IETF has focused largely on individual network and device features.

Please let us know if these modifications address your concerns.  

Thank you

--- Alex (on behalf of coauthors)

On 9/20/2021 12:25 PM, Colin Perkins wrote:
The NMRG chairs have requested that draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-concepts-definitions-05 be published as an RFC on the IRTF stream. The IRTF publication process is described in RFC 5743, and comprises a review by the IRSG to ensure technical and editorial quality, followed by a check by the IESG to ensure the work does not conflict with IETF standards activities. 

As IRTF Chair, I perform an initial review of all drafts submitted for publication on the IRTF stream before sending them for detailed review by the IRSG. This note provides my review comments, for discussion.

Result:
* Almost ready

RFC 5743 compliance:
* The draft does not follow the guidelines in RFC 5743


Comments:

* The structure and focus of the Introduction suggests that this is an IETF document, primarily discussing standards and saying little about the research need for this document. Similarly, there are no conclusions drawn, and no attempt to summarise and relate the work to ongoing research. The definitions and discussion of concepts is good, but the draft needs to better relate it to ongoing research needs and trends.

* Most of the examples are standards-based, and the few that point to research work are to old papers. How does the work relate to current research?

* RFC 5843, Section 2.1, requires all IRTF stream documents to include certain statements in the Abstract and Introduction. The necessary statements appear in the Abstract, but appear to be missing from the Introduction.

* First sentence: “Traditionally in the IETF…” – the RFC Editor will flag the use of the word “traditionally” in their review of inclusive language. Suggest rephrasing.

Colin Perkins
IRTF Chair

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I have been following some drafts in NMRG because they are related to network information abstraction and exposure, which is exactly what ALTO focuses on. I am writing to share some thoughts about the digital twin network draft (draft-zhou-nmrg-digitaltwin-network-concepts), Overall, I find this draft providing a clean view about the research topic of digital twin network, in particular its goal, potential use cases and key challneges. Digital twin network aims to provide a unified view (including both configurations and network state) of the physical network, and how to use this unified view to achieve automatic, intelligent and intent-based network management of large networks such as DCN. In this draft, a reference architecture is presented, which puts instances of digital twin network into a middle layer between applications and the physical networks. The 3-layer design has been adopted by many major IT companies, such as Robotron in Facebook (in SIGCOMM'18), and MALT/Orion in Google (in NSDI'20 and '21), to play a major role in simplifying their daily network operations and management. But by putting digital twin network into the middle layer, and letting it collect information from physical networks, process and encode the collected information in abstractions, and expose them to the applications, not only can we automate the deep integration between network and application, but also we can let applications to be able to fully utilize the huge amount of resources in the network, to improve their performance. So personally, I think this architecture is promising, and could shed light for many future research opportunities in network management and automation. To summarize, overall I find this draft trying to position digital twin network as a major research direction to further improve the efficiency of network management. It articulates the scientific soundness and the key challenges of this direction, and provides a clean, promising reference architecture that can motivate many future research. So IMHO, I would advocate this draft being adopted by the NMRG. Best Qiao Xiang -- Qiao Xiang Professor, Xiamen University --000000000000b6188b05d364249b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear all,

My name is Qiao Xiang and I am a member o= f the ALTO WG. I have been following some drafts in NMRG because they are r= elated to network information abstraction and exposure, which is exactly wh= at ALTO focuses on. I am writing to share some thoughts about the digital t= win network draft (draft-zhou-nmrg-digitaltwin-network-concepts),

O= verall, I find this draft providing a clean view about the research topic o= f digital twin network, in particular its goal, potential use cases and key= challneges. Digital twin network aims to provide a unified view (including= both configurations and network state) of the physical network, and how to= use this unified view to achieve automatic, intelligent and intent-based n= etwork management of large networks such as DCN.

In this draft, a r= eference architecture is presented, which puts instances of digital twin ne= twork into a middle layer between applications and the physical networks. T= he 3-layer design has been adopted by many major IT companies, such as Robo= tron in Facebook (in SIGCOMM'18), and MALT/Orion in Google (in NSDI'= ;20 and '21), to play a major role in simplifying their daily network o= perations and management. But by putting digital twin network into the midd= le layer, and letting it collect information from physical networks, proces= s and encode the collected information in abstractions, and expose them to = the applications, not only can we automate the deep integration between net= work and application, but also we can let applications to be able to fully = utilize the huge amount of resources in the network, to improve their perfo= rmance. So personally, I think this architecture is promising, and could sh= ed light for many future research opportunities in network management and a= utomation.

To summarize, overall I find this draft trying to positi= on digital twin network as a major research direction to further improve th= e efficiency of network management. It articulates the scientific soundness= and the key challenges of this direction, and provides a clean, promising = reference architecture that can motivate many future research. So IMHO, I w= ould advocate this draft being adopted by the NMRG.
<= br>

Best
Qiao Xiang
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Qiao Xiang
<= div>Professor, Xiamen University
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Boosted by scientific breakthroughs, continuous innovation and stringent requirements for new services, network softwarization is currently transforming telecommunications and networking industry and is bringing several opportunities, while raising new challenges, from both conceptual and operational perspectives. While 5G technologies have adopted network softwarization as a foundation, many challenges remain for end-users to see their benefits, and for the software-based network to add user and provider perceived value. NetSoft 2022 will serve as a forum to discuss the latest advances in network softwarization technologies, support for user-oriented edge and fog services, AI-based software-defined networks, autonomic networking, intent/policy-based network management, network slicing, massive data plane programmability and other related research areas that are anticipated to radically transform today's networks. The need for further advances in these topics is reflected in the overall theme of NetSoft 2022: "Network Softwarization Coming of Age: New Challenges and Opportunities". NetSoft 2022 will feature technical paper presentations, keynotes, tutorials, workshops, demos, and exhibitions from world-leading experts representing service providers, vendors, research institutes, open source projects, and academia. Topics of Interest ------------------ The topics of interest include, but are not limited to: - Softwarized cloud, fog, and edge infrastructures - Cognitive and autonomic networking - Centralized vs distributed control, management & orchestration - Abstractions and virtualization of resources, services and functions - AI techniques to support network automation - Big data analytics for managing softwarized networks - Network slicing and slice management - Mobility management in softwarized networks - Programmable SDN and NFV: languages and architectures - Policy-based and intent-based networking - Network implications for the creation of a (device to cloud) computing continuum - Network brokering services for inter-edge/cloud interconnects - Service Function Chaining (SFC) - Mapping and scheduling of SFC - Container/microservice-based network functions - Efficient network/service monitoring in SDN/NFV - QoS and QoE in softwarized infrastructures - Resilience, reliability, and robustness of softwarized networks - Network softwarization for 5G/6G - Network management at the edge - Cooperative multi-domain, multi-tenant SDN/NFV environments - Security, Safety, Trust and Privacy in virtualized environments - SDN switch/router architecture and design - Dynamic resource discovery and negotiation schemes - Lifecycle management of network software - DevOps methodologies for network softwarization - Debugging and introspection of software-defined systems - Softwarized platforms for Internet of Things (IoT) - Energy-efficient and green software-defined infrastructures (SDI) - Transition strategies from existing networks to SDN/NFV - New value chains and service models enabled by softwarization - Socio-economic impact and regulations for softwarization - Experience reports from experimental testbeds and deployments - Impact of the open-source on network softwarization Paper Submission ---------------- Prospective authors are invited to submit high-quality original technical papers for presentation at the conference and publication in the NetSoft 2022 Proceedings. All submissions must be written in English and must use standard IEEE two-column conference template that can be downloaded from https://www.ieee.org/conferences/publishing/templates.html. Technical Papers can be of two types: Full or Short papers, up to 9 and 5 pages respectively, including references and all other material. If accepted, a paper will be published in the category (long/short) of its submission. Long papers are the more traditional form to present technical work. Long papers should emphasize not only novelty and vision, but execution and thoroughness of the contribution (design, evaluation). Short papers are the preferred vehicle for visionary papers or traditional technical papers whose description fits within a smaller number of pages. Short papers may not yet be 'fully baked' in terms of execution and evaluation. In both Full and Short papers, author names and affiliations should be included after the title, as provided in the templates. Papers submitted should describe original, previously unpublished research results, not currently under review by another conference or journal. Papers not meeting the length and formatting requirements or violating IEEE's guidelines on plagiarized content will be rejected without review.  All other submitted papers will be reviewed. Selected papers for NetSoft 2022 may be conditionally accepted and subjected to shepherding before final acceptance. Only PDF files will be accepted for the review process and all manuscripts must be electronically submitted through EDAS: https://edas.info/newPaper.php?c=28960 Important: NetSoft 2022 is enforcing a strict publication and no-show policy as stated by IEEE. By submitting a contribution, you agree with the terms of the publication and no-show policy as mentioned here. TPC Co-Chairs ------------- - Carmen Mas Machuca, Technical University of Munich (TUM), Munich, Germany - K. K. 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IEEE NetSoft 2022: Call for Technical Session Papers

=================================


Important Dates

---------------

Paper submission deadline: January 16, 2022 23:59 (AoE)

Acceptance notification: March 15, 2022

Camera-ready paper: April 25, 2022


Scope

-----

Over the years, software has become the core value provider in the telecommunications industry. Boosted by scientific breakthroughs, continuous innovation and stringent requirements for new services, network softwarization is currently transforming telecommunications and networking industry and is bringing several opportunities, while raising new challenges, from both conceptual and operational perspectives. While 5G technologies have adopted network softwarization as a foundation, many challenges remain for end-users to see their benefits, and for the software-based network to add user and provider perceived value.

NetSoft 2022 will serve as a forum to discuss the latest advances in network softwarization technologies, support for user-oriented edge and fog services, AI-based software-defined networks, autonomic networking, intent/policy-based network management, network slicing, massive data plane programmability and other related research areas that are anticipated to radically transform today's networks. The need for further advances in these topics is reflected in the overall theme of NetSoft 2022: "Network Softwarization Coming of Age: New Challenges and Opportunities".


NetSoft 2022 will feature technical paper presentations, keynotes, tutorials, workshops, demos, and exhibitions from world-leading experts representing service providers, vendors, research institutes, open source projects, and academia.


Topics of Interest

------------------

The topics of interest include, but are not limited to:

- Softwarized cloud, fog, and edge infrastructures

- Cognitive and autonomic networking

- Centralized vs distributed control, management & orchestration

- Abstractions and virtualization of resources, services and functions

- AI techniques to support network automation

- Big data analytics for managing softwarized networks

- Network slicing and slice management

- Mobility management in softwarized networks

- Programmable SDN and NFV: languages and architectures

- Policy-based and intent-based networking

- Network implications for the creation of a (device to cloud) computing continuum

- Network brokering services for inter-edge/cloud interconnects

- Service Function Chaining (SFC)

- Mapping and scheduling of SFC

- Container/microservice-based network functions

- Efficient network/service monitoring in SDN/NFV

- QoS and QoE in softwarized infrastructures

- Resilience, reliability, and robustness of softwarized networks

- Network softwarization for 5G/6G

- Network management at the edge

- Cooperative multi-domain, multi-tenant SDN/NFV environments

- Security, Safety, Trust and Privacy in virtualized environments

- SDN switch/router architecture and design

- Dynamic resource discovery and negotiation schemes

- Lifecycle management of network software

- DevOps methodologies for network softwarization

- Debugging and introspection of software-defined systems

- Softwarized platforms for Internet of Things (IoT)

- Energy-efficient and green software-defined infrastructures (SDI)

- Transition strategies from existing networks to SDN/NFV

- New value chains and service models enabled by softwarization

- Socio-economic impact and regulations for softwarization

- Experience reports from experimental testbeds and deployments

- Impact of the open-source on network softwarization


Paper Submission

----------------

Prospective authors are invited to submit high-quality original technical papers for presentation at the conference and publication in the NetSoft 2022 Proceedings. All submissions must be written in English and must use standard IEEE two-column conference template that can be downloaded from https://www.ieee.org/conferences/publishing/templates.html.


Technical Papers can be of two types: Full or Short papers, up to 9 and 5 pages respectively, including references and all other material. If accepted, a paper will be published in the category (long/short) of its submission. Long papers are the more traditional form to present technical work. Long papers should emphasize not only novelty and vision, but execution and thoroughness of the contribution (design, evaluation). Short papers are the preferred vehicle for visionary papers or traditional technical papers whose description fits within a smaller number of pages. Short papers may not yet be 'fully baked' in terms of execution and evaluation. In both Full and Short papers, author names and affiliations should be included after the title, as provided in the templates. 


Papers submitted should describe original, previously unpublished research results, not currently under review by another conference or journal. Papers not meeting the length and formatting requirements or violating IEEE's guidelines on plagiarized content will be rejected without review.  All other submitted papers will be reviewed. Selected papers for NetSoft 2022 may be conditionally accepted and subjected to shepherding before final acceptance.


Only PDF files will be accepted for the review process and all manuscripts must be electronically submitted through EDAS: https://edas.info/newPaper.php?c=28960


Important: NetSoft 2022 is enforcing a strict publication and no-show policy as stated by IEEE. By submitting a contribution, you agree with the terms of the publication and no-show policy as mentioned here.


TPC Co-Chairs

-------------

- Carmen Mas Machuca, Technical University of Munich (TUM), Munich, Germany

- K. K. Ramakrishnan, University of California, Riverside, CA, USA

- Fulvio Risso, Politecnico di Torino, Torino, Italy

--------------uOLBdJMr0k595ssOrm6AvcUJ-- From nobody Mon Dec 20 03:11:05 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA7D3A08DC for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2021 03:11:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wo56SeKLQrRq for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2021 03:10:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.cnit.it (mail.cnit.it [217.9.64.12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 541703A08D9 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2021 03:10:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cnit.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64C764032B for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2021 12:10:48 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: by cnit.it Received: from mail.cnit.it ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.cnit.it [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with LMTP id Nl9KBxkSMnIU for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2021 12:10:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.30.2.114] (nat-cataldo.sssup.it [193.205.81.5]) by mail.cnit.it (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4C94B400DA for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2021 12:10:48 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------1WVM53bdccvDkYiJxM6LkLJQ" Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 12:11:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.4.0 To: nmrg@irtf.org From: Barbara Martini Archived-At: Subject: [nmrg] NetSoft 2022 - Call for Workshop Papers X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 11:11:01 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1WVM53bdccvDkYiJxM6LkLJQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Apologies for cross-postings ================================================================ IEEE International Conference on Network Softwarization (NetSoft) 27 June - 1 July 2022, Milan, Italy https://netsoft2022.ieee-netsoft.org/ ================================================================ Call for Workshop Papers ================================= The 2022 IEEE NetSoft conference will host several workshops to complement the conference program with in-depth discussions that are dedicated to emerging topics on network softwarization, such as network automation at a global scale, multi-domain dynamic service and slice production in a softwarized environment, migration strategies. The 8th IEEE International Conference on Network Softwarization (NetSoft 2022) will be held on June 27-July 1, 2022 in Milan, Italy, Accepted and presented workshop papers will be published in the conference proceedings and will be submitted for inclusion in IEEE Xplore. The following workshops are planned: S4SI 2022: 5th IEEE International Workshop on Advances in Slicing for Softwarized Infrastructures ENS 2022: 1st International Workshop on Edge Network Softwarization WIN 2022: 2nd International Workshop on Intent-based Networking SecSoft 2022: 4th International Workshop on Cyber-Security Threats, Trust and Privacy management in Software-defined and Virtualized Infrastructures ProNet 2022: 1st IEEE International Workshop on Programmable Networks for Tactile Internet PVE-SDN 2022: 4th IEEE International Workshop On Performance Evaluation of Next Generation Virtualized Environments and Software-Defined Networks GreenNet 2022: 1st International Workshop on Network Energy Efficiency in the Softwarization Era Details on: https://netsoft2022.ieee-netsoft.org/authors/call-for-workshop-papers/ Important dates:     Paper Submission: February 28, 2022     Notification of Acceptance: April 11, 2022     Camera-ready Submission: April 25, 2022     Workshops Date: Either Monday June 27th, 2022 or Friday July 1st, 2022 Submission guidelines: Format of workshop papers must not exceed 6 pages, including references and all other material. They must use the standard IEEE two-column conference template, which can be downloaded from www.ieee.org/conferences/publishing/templates.html. Only original papers not published or submitted for publication elsewhere will be considered for the workshop. Submissions must be in PDF format. Accepted and presented papers will be included in the NetSoft 2022 Proceedings and published on IEEE Xplore. --------------1WVM53bdccvDkYiJxM6LkLJQ Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Apologies for cross-postings
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IEEE International Conference on Network Softwarization (NetSoft)

27 June - 1 July 2022, Milan, Italy

https://netsoft2022.ieee-netsoft.org/
================================================================

Call for Workshop Papers
=================================

The 2022 IEEE NetSoft conference will host several workshops to complement the conference program with in-depth discussions that are dedicated to emerging topics on network softwarization, such as network automation at a global scale, multi-domain dynamic service and slice production in a softwarized environment, migration strategies.

The 8th IEEE International Conference on Network Softwarization (NetSoft 2022) will be held on June 27-July 1, 2022 in Milan, Italy,

Accepted and presented workshop papers will be published in the conference proceedings and will be submitted for inclusion in IEEE Xplore.

The following workshops are planned:

S4SI 2022: 5th IEEE International Workshop on Advances in Slicing for Softwarized Infrastructures
ENS 2022: 1st International Workshop on Edge Network Softwarization
WIN 2022: 2nd International Workshop on Intent-based Networking
SecSoft 2022: 4th International Workshop on Cyber-Security Threats, Trust and Privacy management in Software-defined and Virtualized Infrastructures
ProNet 2022: 1st IEEE International Workshop on Programmable Networks for Tactile Internet
PVE-SDN 2022: 4th IEEE International Workshop On Performance Evaluation of Next Generation Virtualized Environments and Software-Defined Networks
GreenNet 2022: 1st International Workshop on Network Energy Efficiency in the Softwarization Era
 

Details on: https://netsoft2022.ieee-netsoft.org/authors/call-for-workshop-papers/

Important dates:

    Paper Submission: February 28, 2022
    Notification of Acceptance: April 11, 2022
    Camera-ready Submission: April 25, 2022
    Workshops Date: Either Monday June 27th, 2022 or Friday July 1st, 2022


Submission guidelines:

Format of workshop papers must not exceed 6 pages, including references and all other material.
They must use the standard IEEE two-column conference template, which can be downloaded from www.ieee.org/conferences/publishing/templates.html.
Only original papers not published or submitted for publication elsewhere will be considered for the workshop.
Submissions must be in PDF format.
Accepted and presented papers will be included in the NetSoft 2022 Proceedings and published on IEEE Xplore.


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As mentioned in the email discussion, this draft is well cited and can be thus considered as an helpful document for other research papers. I'll update the write up accordingly. Jérôme Le 17/12/2021 à 00:08, Colin Perkins a écrit : > Hi Alex, > > Thank you for updating the draft. > > The changes around terminology and consensus are fine. > > The other changes to the Introduction, to highlight that there is research on > intent-based networking, are less convincing. It’s clear that the topic of > intent-based networking is one that's receiving interest from the community, but > I was rather interested in understanding how this draft fits with ongoing > research since the Introduction is so heavily focussed on standards. Reviewing > the citations you highlight in Google Scholar, however, makes it clear that the > definitions are broadly useful to the research community. > > Accordingly, I'll move this draft forward to IRSG review if the chairs are happy > with the changes. > > I would, however, ask the document shepherd to update the write-up in the > datatracker to highlight the papers and research that build on this draft – this > would make it’s relevance to the research community clearer. > > Colin > > > > > > > >> On 15 Dec 2021, at 01:04, Alexander L Clemm > > wrote: >> >> Hello Colin, and all, >> >> it has taken us a while, but we have now updated the draft per your comments as >> follows and hope it addresses your concerns so you will send it for IRSG >> review. We are posting -06 shortly. >> >> Re: 1 (better relate it to current research needs): >> >> We are adding the following paragraph, at the end of section 1, to indicate the >> growing relevance in the research community. >> >> /Intent has also become an important topic in the research community.  Per IEEE >> Xplore [Reference: //https://ieeexplore.ieee.org///] , in the past decade since >> 2012, there have been 1138 papers with the index term "intent", of which 411 >> specifically mention networking.  The time period since 2020 alone accounts for >> 316 papers on intent and 153 for intent networking, indicating accelerating >> interest.  In addition, workshops dedicated to this theme are beginning to >> appear, such as the IEEE International Workshop on Intent-Based Networking >> [Reference: >> //https://netsoft2021.ieee-netsoft.org/program/workshops/win-2021///], as well >> as various special journal issues [Reference: Special Issue on Intent-Based >> Networking for 5G-Envisioned Internet of Connected Vehicles, in IEEE >> Transactions on Intelligent Transportation Systems, vol. 22, no. 8, DOI: >> 10.1109/TITS.2021.3101259, August 2021] [Reference: Special Issue "Intent-Based >> Software-Defined Networks", in Computers (MDPI), M. Gharbaoui (editor), 2022, >> to appear].  A survey of current intent-driven networking research has been >> published in [L. Pang, C. Yang, D. Chen, Y. Song, M. Guizan, "A Survey on >> Intent-Driven Networks", in IEEE Access Vol 8 pp. 22862-22873, 2020, DOI: >> 10:110/ACCESS.2020.2969208], listing among the current research challenges >> aspects such as intent translation and understanding, intent interfaces, and >> security.  The survey highlights that there is no common terminology and calls >> out the lack for uniform understanding and standardization as a potential >> inhibitor for the further development  of IBN. >> / >> >> As an FYI (we are not mentioning this in the document), per Google Scholar, the >> current draft has already received 47 citations, which is also indicative of >> its relevance to the research community; see here: >> https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&user=YGBQsCQAAAAJ&cstart=20&pagesize=80&sortby=pubdate&citation_for_view=YGBQsCQAAAAJ:OP4eGU-M3BUC >> >> >> Re: 2: We believe that much of this should be answered by our response to the >> first question.  We will add the references to the current survey as per the >> above.  The examples that we chose are indeed networking-centric and intended >> to make them easily relatable to a networking audience without needing much >> explanation about the example domain.  We disagree that these are "old" >> problems, some (such as the  intent to generate in-situ OAM data under certain >> conditions, or intent-based traffic steering based on geographic >> considerations) are certainly very current.  That said, we can add some more >> "researchy" examples of intent from research papers, as follows: >> >> /- "Route traffic in a Space Information Network in a way that minimizes >> dependency on stratospheric balloons unless the intended destination is an >> aircraft." (Does not specify how to precisely achieve this; extrapolates on >> scenarios mentioned in [Survey] // >> / >> >> // >> >> /- "For a smart city service, ensure traffic signal control traffic uses >> dedicated and redundant slices that avoid fate sharing." (A desired outcome >> with a set of constraints and additional guidance without specifying how to >> precisely achieve this;  extrapolates on scenarios from[Reference: M. >> Gharbaoui, B. Martini, P. Castoldi, "Implementation of an Intent Layer for >> SDN-enabled and QoS-aware Network Slicing", in 2021 IEEE 7th Int. Conference on >> Netowrk Softwarization (NetSoft), pp 17-23, doi: >> 10.1109/NetSoft51509.2021.9492643.] / >> >> Re: 3, we will repeat the statement from the abstract in the Introduction.  We >> are putting this in the beginning so it is very clear: >> >> /This document is a product of the IRTF Network Management Research//Group >> (NMRG). It reflects the consensus of the RG, receiving reviews and explicit >> support from many members./ >> >> Re: 4, as mentioned before, we will reword the first sentence to avoid the term >> "traditionally" as follows: >> >> /In the past, interest regarding management and operations in the IETF has >> focused largely on individual network and device features./ >> >> Please let us know if these modifications address your concerns. >> >> Thank you >> >> --- Alex (on behalf of coauthors) >> >> On 9/20/2021 12:25 PM, Colin Perkins wrote: >>> The NMRG chairs have requested that draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-concepts-definitions-05 be published as an RFC on the IRTF stream. The IRTF publication process is described in RFC 5743, and comprises a review by the IRSG to ensure technical and editorial quality, followed by a check by the IESG to ensure the work does not conflict with IETF standards activities. >>> >>> As IRTF Chair, I perform an initial review of all drafts submitted for publication on the IRTF stream before sending them for detailed review by the IRSG. This note provides my review comments, for discussion. >>> >>> Result: >>> * Almost ready >>> >>> RFC 5743 compliance: >>> * The draft does not follow the guidelines in RFC 5743 >>> >>> >>> Comments: >>> >>> * The structure and focus of the Introduction suggests that this is an IETF document, primarily discussing standards and saying little about the research need for this document. Similarly, there are no conclusions drawn, and no attempt to summarise and relate the work to ongoing research. The definitions and discussion of concepts is good, but the draft needs to better relate it to ongoing research needs and trends. >>> >>> * Most of the examples are standards-based, and the few that point to research work are to old papers. How does the work relate to current research? >>> >>> * RFC 5843, Section 2.1, requires all IRTF stream documents to include certain statements in the Abstract and Introduction. The necessary statements appear in the Abstract, but appear to be missing from the Introduction. >>> >>> * First sentence: “Traditionally in the IETF…” – the RFC Editor will flag the use of the word “traditionally” in their review of inclusive language. Suggest rephrasing. >>> >>> Colin Perkins >>> IRTF Chair > > > _______________________________________________ > nmrg mailing list > nmrg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nmrg --------------3D5E7533EE64290C5969A313 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Colin, Alex,

As NMRG co-chair and shepherd, I'm fine with the new version.
As mentioned in the email discussion, this draft is well cited and can be thus considered as an helpful document for other research papers. I'll update the write up accordingly.

Jérôme

Le 17/12/2021 à 00:08, Colin Perkins a écrit :
Hi Alex,

Thank you for updating the draft.

The changes around terminology and consensus are fine.

The other changes to the Introduction, to highlight that there is research on intent-based networking, are less convincing. It’s clear that the topic of intent-based networking is one that's receiving interest from the community, but I was rather interested in understanding how this draft fits with ongoing research since the Introduction is so heavily focussed on standards. Reviewing the citations you highlight in Google Scholar, however, makes it clear that the definitions are broadly useful to the research community. 

Accordingly, I'll move this draft forward to IRSG review if the chairs are happy with the changes. 

I would, however, ask the document shepherd to update the write-up in the datatracker to highlight the papers and research that build on this draft – this would make it’s relevance to the research community clearer.

Colin







On 15 Dec 2021, at 01:04, Alexander L Clemm <ludwig@clemm.org> wrote:

Hello Colin, and all,

it has taken us a while, but we have now updated the draft per your comments as follows and hope it addresses your concerns so you will send it for IRSG review. We are posting -06 shortly. 

Re: 1 (better relate it to current research needs):

We are adding the following paragraph, at the end of section 1, to indicate the growing relevance in the research community.   

Intent has also become an important topic in the research community.  Per IEEE Xplore [Reference: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/] , in the past decade since 2012, there have been 1138 papers with the index term "intent", of which 411 specifically mention networking.  The time period since 2020 alone accounts for 316 papers on intent and 153 for intent networking, indicating accelerating interest.  In addition, workshops dedicated to this theme are beginning to appear, such as the IEEE International Workshop on Intent-Based Networking [Reference: https://netsoft2021.ieee-netsoft.org/program/workshops/win-2021/], as well as various special journal issues [Reference: Special Issue on Intent-Based Networking for 5G-Envisioned Internet of Connected Vehicles, in IEEE Transactions on Intelligent Transportation Systems, vol. 22, no. 8, DOI: 10.1109/TITS.2021.3101259, August 2021] [Reference: Special Issue "Intent-Based Software-Defined Networks", in Computers (MDPI), M. Gharbaoui (editor), 2022, to appear].  A survey of current intent-driven networking research has been published in [L. Pang, C. Yang, D. Chen, Y. Song, M. Guizan, "A Survey on Intent-Driven Networks", in IEEE Access Vol 8 pp. 22862-22873, 2020, DOI: 10:110/ACCESS.2020.2969208], listing among the current research challenges aspects such as intent translation and understanding, intent interfaces, and security.  The survey highlights that there is no common terminology and calls out the lack for uniform understanding and standardization as a potential inhibitor for the further development  of IBN.

As an FYI (we are not mentioning this in the document), per Google Scholar, the current draft has already received 47 citations, which is also indicative of its relevance to the research community; see here: https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&user=YGBQsCQAAAAJ&cstart=20&pagesize=80&sortby=pubdate&citation_for_view=YGBQsCQAAAAJ:OP4eGU-M3BUC

Re: 2: We believe that much of this should be answered by our response to the first question.  We will add the references to the current survey as per the above.  The examples that we chose are indeed networking-centric and intended to make them easily relatable to a networking audience without needing much explanation about the example domain.  We disagree that these are "old" problems, some (such as the  intent to generate in-situ OAM data under certain conditions, or intent-based traffic steering based on geographic considerations) are certainly very current.  That said, we can add some more "researchy" examples of intent from research papers, as follows:

- "Route traffic in a Space Information Network in a way that minimizes dependency on stratospheric balloons unless the intended destination is an aircraft." (Does not specify how to precisely achieve this; extrapolates on scenarios mentioned in [Survey]

- "For a smart city service, ensure traffic signal control traffic uses dedicated and redundant slices that avoid fate sharing." (A desired outcome with a set of constraints and additional guidance without specifying how to precisely achieve this;  extrapolates on scenarios from[Reference: M. Gharbaoui, B. Martini, P. Castoldi, "Implementation of an Intent Layer for SDN-enabled and QoS-aware Network Slicing", in 2021 IEEE 7th Int. Conference on Netowrk Softwarization (NetSoft), pp 17-23, doi: 10.1109/NetSoft51509.2021.9492643.] 

Re: 3, we will repeat the statement from the abstract in the Introduction.  We are putting this in the beginning so it is very clear:

This document is a product of the IRTF Network Management Research Group (NMRG). It reflects the consensus of the RG, receiving reviews and explicit support from many members.

Re: 4, as mentioned before, we will reword the first sentence to avoid the term "traditionally" as follows:

In the past, interest regarding management and operations in the IETF has focused largely on individual network and device features.

Please let us know if these modifications address your concerns.  

Thank you

--- Alex (on behalf of coauthors)

On 9/20/2021 12:25 PM, Colin Perkins wrote:
The NMRG chairs have requested that draft-irtf-nmrg-ibn-concepts-definitions-05 be published as an RFC on the IRTF stream. The IRTF publication process is described in RFC 5743, and comprises a review by the IRSG to ensure technical and editorial quality, followed by a check by the IESG to ensure the work does not conflict with IETF standards activities. 

As IRTF Chair, I perform an initial review of all drafts submitted for publication on the IRTF stream before sending them for detailed review by the IRSG. This note provides my review comments, for discussion.

Result:
* Almost ready

RFC 5743 compliance:
* The draft does not follow the guidelines in RFC 5743


Comments:

* The structure and focus of the Introduction suggests that this is an IETF document, primarily discussing standards and saying little about the research need for this document. Similarly, there are no conclusions drawn, and no attempt to summarise and relate the work to ongoing research. The definitions and discussion of concepts is good, but the draft needs to better relate it to ongoing research needs and trends.

* Most of the examples are standards-based, and the few that point to research work are to old papers. How does the work relate to current research?

* RFC 5843, Section 2.1, requires all IRTF stream documents to include certain statements in the Abstract and Introduction. The necessary statements appear in the Abstract, but appear to be missing from the Introduction.

* First sentence: “Traditionally in the IETF…” – the RFC Editor will flag the use of the word “traditionally” in their review of inclusive language. Suggest rephrasing.

Colin Perkins
IRTF Chair


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Barbara Martini To: nmrg@irtf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: [nmrg] WIN 2022 - International Workshop on Intent-based Networking - Call for Papers X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2021 14:50:58 -0000 Apologies for cross-postings ================================================================ CALL FOR WORKSHOP PAPERS WIN 2022: 2nd International Workshop on Intent-based Networking co-located with IEEE International Conference on Network Softwarization (NetSoft)  - 27 June - 1 July 2022, Milan, Italy Workshop paper submission deadline: February 28, 2022 ================================================================ Aim and Scope ============= Intent Based Networking (IBN) aims at technology-agnostic, fast and robust interaction between network infrastructure management systems and their users, in order to automate and speed up the deployment and lifecycle of applications. IBN as such covers mechanisms to recognize, understand and augment intents defining service or operational requests, so as to ensure their fulfillment, with the support of reliable system feedback enabling their execution within the expected quality limits. The concept of IBN appeared in the 2010’s with a focus on automated policy configuration. IBN now reaches out to OTT applications deployed on multiple and heterogeneous networks. IBN solutions do not aim at covering all applications and the entire network. Instead, they are deemed to run in a well-defined network scope and associated knowledge domains. That said, IBN solutions need to have enough flexibility to span and exchange with connected domains. The goal of this workshop is to gather research and experiments from industry, academia, and standards, to get a sense of where we stand, what needs to be addressed and what should be explored. To this end, the workshop will cover IBN aspects of all domains including applications, concepts, lifecycle, challenges, architectures, modeling, instantiation, robustness, etc. Topics of Interest ================== * IBN concepts, architectures, and frameworks * IBN enabling techniques: knowledge graphs, natural languages understanding, policy refinement, feedback control loops, smart telemetry, various artificial intelligence methods, etc. * IBN applications and use cases, including scenarios combining digital infrastructures and vertical industries * IBN proof-of-concepts, experimentations; report on field trials and real-world deployments * IBN implementations, tools, and user interface design * IBN applications for 5G, beyond-5G and 6G networks * Intent modeling, representation, languages, and intent translation techniques * Intent and intent-related information models (policies and services) * Intent recognition, recommendation, and abstraction techniques * Availability, resiliency, performance, trust, and security considerations in IBN * Interfaces and API for intent based systems * Recent advances in standards and open source Important Dates =============== * Paper Submission: February 28, 2022 * Notification of Acceptance: April 11, 2022 * Camera-ready Submission: April 25, 2022 * Workshops Date: Either Monday June 27th, 2022 or Friday July 1st, 2022 Submission ========== A selection of the best papers will be further considered for possible publication in IEEE Journals and Magazines with high impact factors. Only PDF files will be accepted for the review process and all manuscripts must be electronically submitted through EDAS: https://www.edas.info/chair.php?c=29267 Organizing Committee ==================== * Laurent Ciavaglia, Rakuten Mobile, France – General Co-Chair * Sabine Randriamasy, Nokia, France – General Co-Chair * Eric Renault, ESIEE Paris, France – TPC Co-Chair * Molka Gharbaoui, Scuola Superiore Sant’Anna, Italy – TPC Co-Chair * Pedro Henrique Gomes, Ericsson, Brazil – Industry Track Co-Chair * Danny Lachos, Benocs, Germany – Industry Track Co-Chair * Nicolas Herbaut, Université Paris 1 Panthéon-Sorbonne, France – Industry Track Co-Chair * Sabine Randriamasy, Nokia, France – Industry Track Co-Chair * Barbara Martini, CNIT, Italy – Publicity Co-Chair * Mohamed-Faten Zhani, ETS, Canada – Publicity Co-Chair * Kohei Shiomoto, Tokyo City University, Japan – Publicity Co-Chair * Nicolas Herbaut, Université Paris 1 Panthéon-Sorbonne, France – Publication Chair * Eric Renault, ESIEE 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--_000_LO0P265MB51685B079EFEE6BD46514739D6409LO0P265MB5168GBRP_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi RG, Having read the draft, I think it's a valuable work item for the RG, and I = support the adoption of the I-D. However, significant work by the authors a= nd input from the RG will be required, as expected with a recently adopted = document. In response to the questions posed: Q1. NMRG being a *research* group, it is important to articulate well the = problem(s), challenge(s) and research questions. Yes, but. The document would benefit from several significant updates that = are proposed in more detail below. Q2. Is the scientific soundness of the draft satisfying? (quality of the sc= ientific proposition, rigor of the method, impact) ; "the measure of succes= s is the quality and impact of the research results" [RFC2014] Within reason. The document is informational and provides an overview of th= e digital twin network state of the art. It would benefit from resequencing= sections and more academic research papers/journals that also cite common = challenges. The authors discuss a broad set of use cases. It may be better = to focus on one or two initially and go deeper in the discussion. 3. As the document proposes an *architecture*, it is important to provide = a clear scope and positioning of this architecture with respect to network = management/automation/operation frameworks and where/how the proposed archi= tecture will prove useful or aims at replacing/augmenting certain functiona= lity. I think the document's readability would be improved if the authors made th= e core requirements and research challenge more evident/earlier in the docu= ment, perhaps as research questions raised by the authors and citing other = research (a few links provided below) that highlights challenges. Then when= the authors present the architecture and functional components, they could= may how it solves the specific challenges outlined earlier in the document= . Please find my specific comments and numerous editorial suggestions and que= stions below. 1. Introduction Replace: "The fast growing of network scale and the increased demand placed= on these networks, requires them to accommodate and adapt dynamically to c= ustomer needs, implying a big challenge to network operators." With: "The fast growth of network scale and the increased demand placed on = these networks require them to accommodate and adapt dynamically to custome= r needs, implying a significant challenge to network operators." Replace: "Indeed, network operation and maintenance are becoming more compl= ex due to the higher complexity of the managed networks and their sophistic= ated services." With: "Indeed, network operation and maintenance are becoming more complex = due to the higher complexity of the managed networks and their sophisticate= d services." Replace: "full lifecycle and full business data-driven." With: "full lifecycle and comprehensive business data-driven." Replace: "The main difference compared to traditional network management sy= stem is the use of interactive virtual-real mapping to build closed-loop ne= twork automation." With: "The main difference compared to traditional network management syste= ms is interactive virtual-real mapping to build closed-loop network automat= ion." Replace: " Having an emulation platform that allows to reliably represent t= he state of a network is more dependable than a simulation platform." With: " An emulation platform that highlights the state of network reliabil= ity provides a more helpful simulation platform." Replace: " Service impact analysis tasks will also be facilitated." With: " In addition, service impact analysis tasks will also be facilitated= ." At this point, I just exported the text I-D into an MS Word document, enabl= ed change markers and edited directly. I will provide this to the authors a= s an MS Word file. 2. Requirements Language As an informational document, do you need to use specific requirement langu= age? If you intend to have hard and soft requirements in future discussions= , it may make more sense to keep this section. 3. Definitions and Acronyms This section feels a little light given the various technology areas you di= scuss. Also, it only provides expanded acronym definitions, and I would thi= nk some definitions such as "digital twin" would also be helpful. 4. Definition of Digital Twin Network The concept of "digital twin" predates 2003 (Michael Grieves). My understan= ding is "digital twin" was initially coined by NASA in the 1970s during the= Apollo 13 program so that terrestrial engineers could model the extra-terr= estrial effects on Apollo 13 objects and systems. You might want to update= your etymology and add a citation, such as "S. Ferguson, "Apollo 13: The F= irst Digital Twin", Article by Siemens Blogs, April 14, 2020. https://blogs= .sw.siemens.com/simcenter/apollo-13-the-first-digital-twin/" Before you define "digital twin network", you might want to enlighten the r= eaders about the "digital twin" concept. This might be a definition in sect= ion 3., or a paragraph in section 5 along the lines of: >> "A digital twin is a virtual representation of the real-time digital counte= rpart, including physical objects, systems or processes. A digital twin is = generated by gathering data and simulating the environment so that machine = learning reasoning may be applied, often the entire lifecycle of the object= or system is also represented." << It may be useful to highlight the differences between a digital "model", "s= hadow" or " clone" of a system, and "digital twin". A key difference will b= e the direction of data between the physical and virtual systems. For insta= nce, you might state: >> "Typically, when using a digital twin the system is generated and then sync= hronized using data flows in both directions between physical and digital c= omponents, so that control data can be sent and changes between the physica= l and digital objectives and systems are automatically represented. This be= havior is unlike a digital model, shadow or clone, which are synchronized m= anually, lack control data, and will not have a full cycle of data integra= ted." << This section then launches into the discussion of the "digital twin network= ". It proposes "Key Elements of Digital Twin Network" which on my initial r= eadthrough, read like functional components, which then leads into architec= ture later in the document. It may be better to reorganise the document for= the reader to clearly state the general problem scope, then research chall= enges and requirements not just in this document but also from other resear= ch papers. Then you can highlight your architecture and functional componen= ts as a way to address those research challenges. Several journals refer to digital twin research challenges for specific ver= tical industries (with a focus on manufacturing and healthcare), I apprecia= te this document is focused on the telco network research, but it may be wo= rth highlighting other research efforts as there seem to be several common = challenges across technology areas. In addition, this document may benefit = from a specific section on telco networking use cases, including smart citi= es and next generation infrastructure. Then you can summarise some of the m= ore pertinent research challenges outlined in several documents I found rel= evant: ITU-T Representative use cases and key network requirements for Network 203= 0 https://www.itu.int/en/ITU-T/focusgroups/net2030/Documents/Technical_Report= .pdf Digital Twin: Enabling Technologies, Challenges and Open Research https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/9103025 Digital Twin: Values, Challenges and Enablers https://arxiv.org/abs/1910.01719 Connecting the Twins: A Review on Digital Twin Technology & its Networking = Requirements https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1877050921006694 Digital Twin: Values, Challenges and Enablers From a Modeling Perspective https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8972429 Digital Twin Technologies and Smart Cities https://citations.springernature.com/book?doi=3D10.1007/978-3-030-18732-3 Smart Cities with Digital Twin Systems for Disaster Management https://ascelibrary.org/doi/full/10.1061/%28ASCE%29ME.1943-5479.0000779 Realizing the Digital Twin Transition for Smart Cities https://portal.dnb.de/opac.htm?method=3DsimpleSearch&cqlMode=3Dtrue&query= =3Didn%3D1240130449 The Convergence of Digital Twin, IoT, and Machine Learning: Transforming Da= ta into Action https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-18732-3_1 The Role of Digital Twin in Optical Communication: Fault Management, Hardwa= re Configuration, and Transmission Simulation https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/9356524 Digital Twin for 5G and Beyond https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/9374645 Digital Twin in Industry 4.0: Technologies, Applications and Challenges https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/8972134 Have you considered a section/sub-section on developing standards (use case= s, requirements and architecture) efforts for digital twin network technolo= gies? Digital Twin Manufacturing Framework: https://www.iso.org/standard/75066.ht= ml Focus Group on Technologies for Network 2030 (FG NET-2030): https://www.itu= .int/en/ITU-T/focusgroups/net2030/Documents/Technical_Report.pdf Joint Advisory Group (JAG) Group on Emerging Technology and Innovation (JET= I) https://jtc1info.org/technology/advisory-groups/jeti/ Several recent technologies discussed in the IRTF/IETF are applicable digit= al twin networks. I think the document would benefit from a section on "Ena= bling Technologies" to support the proposed architecture and functional com= ponents. These advanced/recent technologies are related to: - Network connectivity - Real-time data communication, ultra-low latency and time-based networking - Collaboration management, conflict detection and resolution - Data privacy and integrity, trust and security Indeed, several exciting research challenges exist for digital twin network= ing. Still, you might also document/cite recent implementations and highlig= ht deficiencies, and in some cases, gaps are highlighted in the implementat= ion documentation, such as: Digital Twins for IoT Applications: A Comprehensive Approach to Implementin= g IoT Digital Twins https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/A-Comprehensive-Approach-to-Implement= ing-IoT-Twins/5d0482cf23a52da8cf7bf8be05e1e483dc296bf0 I hope these thoughts and suggestions are helpful. BR, Dan. From: nmrg On Behalf Of Ciavaglia, Laurent Sent: 10 December 2021 12:02 To: nmrg@irtf.org Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org Subject: [External] [nmrg] call for adoption as RG document : draft-zhou-nm= rg-digitaltwin-network-concepts This email originated outside the University. Check before clicking links o= r attachments. Dear NMRG, This message starts the call for adoption as RG document for: Digital Twin Network: Concepts and Reference Architecture - draft-zhou-nmrg= -digitaltwin-network-concepts https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhou-nmrg-digitaltwin-network-concep= ts/ Please let us know if you support or not the work becoming a RG document. In all cases, provide detailed comments to support your opinion and send th= em on the mailing list. We are particularly interested in assessing the following aspects: 1. NMRG being a *research* group it is important to articulate well the = problem(s), challenge(s) and research questions. 2. Is the scientific soundness of the draft satisfying? (quality of the = scientific proposition, rigor of the method, impact) ; "the measure of succ= ess is the quality and impact of the research results" [RFC2014] 3. As the document proposes an *architecture*, it is important to provid= e a clear scope and positioning of this architecture with respect to networ= k management/automation/operation frameworks and where/how the proposed arc= hitecture will prove useful or aims at replacing/augmenting certain functio= nality The procedure for RG document adoption and important criteria are detailed = here: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/CVEyLUvfxJk1Ud5WdM9Y5LGvQm= U Given the time of the year, this call for adoption is open for four weeks a= nd ends on January 7th, 2022. Best regards, NMRG chairs Laurent & J=E9r=F4me --_000_LO0P265MB51685B079EFEE6BD46514739D6409LO0P265MB5168GBRP_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi RG,

 

Having read the draft, I think it's a valuable wo= rk item for the RG, and I support the adoption of the I-D. However, signifi= cant work by the authors and input from the RG will be required, as expecte= d with a recently adopted document.

 

In response to the questions posed:

 

Q1.  NMRG being a *research* group, it is im= portant to articulate well the problem(s), challenge(s) and research questi= ons.

 

Yes, but. The document would benefit from several= significant updates that are proposed in more detail below.

 

Q2. Is the scientific soundness of the draft sati= sfying? (quality of the scientific proposition, rigor of the method, impact= ) ; "the measure of success is the quality and impact of the research = results" [RFC2014]

 

Within reason. The document is informational and = provides an overview of the digital twin network state of the art. It would= benefit from resequencing sections and more academic research papers/journ= als that also cite common challenges. The authors discuss a broad set of use cases. It may be better to focus on= one or two initially and go deeper in the discussion.

 

3.  As the document proposes an *architectur= e*, it is important to provide a clear scope and positioning of this archit= ecture with respect to network management/automation/operation frameworks a= nd where/how the proposed architecture will prove useful or aims at replacing/augmenting certain functionality. <= o:p>

 

I think the document's readability would be impro= ved if the authors made the core requirements and research challenge more e= vident/earlier in the document, perhaps as research questions raised by the= authors and citing other research (a few links provided below) that highlights challenges. Then when the aut= hors present the architecture and functional components, they could may how= it solves the specific challenges outlined earlier in the document.

 

Please find my specific comments and numerous edi= torial suggestions and questions below.

 

1. Introduction

 

Replace: "The fast growing of network scale = and the increased demand placed on these networks, requires them to accommo= date and adapt dynamically to customer needs, implying a big challenge to n= etwork operators."

 

With: "The fast growth of network scale and = the increased demand placed on these networks require them to accommodate a= nd adapt dynamically to customer needs, implying a significant challenge to= network operators."

 

Replace: "Indeed, network operation and main= tenance are becoming more complex due to the higher complexity of the manag= ed networks and their sophisticated services."

 

With: "Indeed, network operation and mainten= ance are becoming more complex due to the higher complexity of the managed = networks and their sophisticated services."

 

Replace: "full lifecycle and full business d= ata-driven."

 

With: "full lifecycle and comprehensive busi= ness data-driven."

 

Replace: "The main difference compared to tr= aditional network management system is the use of interactive virtual-real = mapping to build closed-loop network automation."

 

With: "The main difference compared to tradi= tional network management systems is interactive virtual-real mapping to bu= ild closed-loop network automation."

 

Replace: " Having an emulation platform that= allows to reliably represent the state of a network is more dependable tha= n a simulation platform."

 

With: " An emulation platform that highlight= s the state of network reliability provides a more helpful simulation platf= orm."

 

Replace: " Service impact analysis tasks wil= l also be facilitated."

 

With: " In addition, service impact analysis= tasks will also be facilitated."

 

At this point, I just exported the text I-D into = an MS Word document, enabled change markers and edited directly. I will pro= vide this to the authors as an MS Word file.

 

2. Requirements Language

 

As an informational document, do you need to use = specific requirement language? If you intend to have hard and soft requirem= ents in future discussions, it may make more sense to keep this section.

 

3. Definitions and Acronyms

 

This section feels a little light given the vario= us technology areas you discuss. Also, it only provides expanded acronym de= finitions, and I would think some definitions such as "digital twin&qu= ot; would also be helpful.

 

4. Definition of Digital Twin Network<= /p>

 

The concept of "digital twin" predates = 2003 (Michael Grieves). My understanding is "digital twin" was in= itially coined by NASA in the 1970s during the Apollo 13 program so that te= rrestrial engineers could model the extra-terrestrial effects on  Apollo 13 objects and systems. You might want to update y= our etymology and add a citation, such as "S. Ferguson, "Apollo 1= 3: The First Digital Twin", Article by Siemens Blogs, April 14, 2020. https://blogs.sw.siemens.com/simcenter/apollo-13-the-first-digital-twin/"

 

Before you define "digital twin network"= ;, you might want to enlighten the readers about the "digital twin&quo= t; concept. This might be a definition in section 3., or a paragraph in sec= tion 5 along the lines of:

 

>> 

"A digital twin is a virtual representation = of the real-time digital counterpart, including physical objects, systems o= r processes. A digital twin is generated by gathering data and simulating t= he environment so that machine learning reasoning may be applied, often the entire lifecycle of the object or syst= em is also represented."

<< 

 

It may be useful to highlight the differences bet= ween a digital "model", "shadow" or " clone" = of a system, and "digital twin". A key difference will be the dir= ection of data between the physical and virtual systems. For instance, you might state:

 

>> 

"Typically, when using a digital twin the sy= stem is generated and then synchronized using data flows in both directions= between physical and digital components, so that control data can be sent = and changes between the physical and digital objectives and systems are automatically represented. This behavior is unl= ike a digital model, shadow or clone, which are synchronized manually, &nbs= p;lack control data, and will not have a full cycle of data integrated.&quo= t;

<< 

 

This section then launches into the discussion of= the "digital twin network". It proposes "Key Elements of Di= gital Twin Network" which on my initial readthrough, read like functio= nal components, which then leads into architecture later in the document. It may be better to reorganise the document for the reade= r to clearly state the general problem scope, then research challenges and = requirements not just in this document but also from other research papers.= Then you can highlight your architecture and functional components as a way to address those research challenges. <= o:p>

 

Several journals refer to digital twin research c= hallenges for specific vertical industries (with a focus on manufacturing a= nd healthcare), I appreciate this document is focused on the telco network = research, but it may be worth highlighting other research efforts as there seem to be several common challenges acros= s technology areas. In addition, this document may benefit from a specific = section on telco networking use cases, including smart cities and next gene= ration infrastructure. Then you can summarise some of the more pertinent research challenges outlined in s= everal documents I found relevant:

 

ITU-T Representative use cases and key network re= quirements for Network 2030

https://www.itu.int/en/ITU-T/foc= usgroups/net2030/Documents/Technical_Report.pdf

 

Digital Twin: Enabling Technologies, Challenges a= nd Open Research

https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/9103025<= o:p>

 

Digital Twin: Values, Challenges and Enablers

http= s://arxiv.org/abs/1910.01719

 

Connecting the Twins: A Review on Digital Twin Te= chnology & its Networking Requirements

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/articl= e/pii/S1877050921006694

 

Digital Twin: Values, Challenges and Enablers Fro= m a Modeling Perspective

https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8972429

 

Digital Twin Technologies and Smart Cities

https://citations.springernature.com/b= ook?doi=3D10.1007/978-3-030-18732-3

 

Smart Cities with Digital Twin Systems for Disast= er Management

https://ascelibrary.org/doi/full/10.1061= /%28ASCE%29ME.1943-5479.0000779

 

Realizing the Digital Twin Transition for Smart C= ities

https://po= rtal.dnb.de/opac.htm?method=3DsimpleSearch&cqlMode=3Dtrue&query=3Di= dn%3D1240130449

 

The Convergence of Digital Twin, IoT, and Machine= Learning: Transforming Data into Action

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-03= 0-18732-3_1

 

The Role of Digital Twin in Optical Communication= : Fault Management, Hardware Configuration, and Transmission Simulation

https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/9356524<= o:p>

 

Digital Twin for 5G and Beyond

https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/9374645<= o:p>

 

Digital Twin in Industry 4.0: Technologies, Appli= cations and Challenges

https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/8972134<= o:p>

 

Have you considered a section/sub-section on deve= loping standards (use cases, requirements and architecture) efforts for dig= ital twin network technologies?

 

Digital Twin Manufacturing Framework: https://www.iso.org/standard/75066.html

Focus Group on Technologies for Network 2030 (FG = NET-2030): https://www.itu.int/en/ITU-T/focusgroups/net2030/Documents/Technical_Report= .pdf

Joint Advisory Group (JAG) Group on Emerging Tech= nology and Innovation (JETI) https://j= tc1info.org/technology/advisory-groups/jeti/

 

Several recent technologies discussed in the IRTF= /IETF are applicable digital twin networks. I think the document would bene= fit from a section on "Enabling Technologies" to support the prop= osed architecture and functional components. These advanced/recent technologies are related to:

 

- Network connectivity

- Real-time data communication, ultra-low latency= and time-based networking

- Collaboration management, conflict detection an= d resolution

- Data privacy and integrity, trust and security =

 

Indeed, several exciting research challenges exis= t for digital twin networking. Still, you might also document/cite recent i= mplementations and highlight deficiencies, and in some cases, gaps are high= lighted in the implementation documentation, such as:

 

Digital Twins for IoT Applications: A Comprehensi= ve Approach to Implementing IoT Digital Twins

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/A-Comprehensive-App= roach-to-Implementing-IoT-Twins/5d0482cf23a52da8cf7bf8be05e1e483dc296bf0

 

I hope these thoughts and suggestions are helpful= .

 

BR, Dan.

&nbs= p;

From: nmrg <nmrg-bounces@irtf.org> On Behalf Of Ciavaglia, Laurent
Sent: 10 December 2021 12:02
To: nmrg@irtf.org
Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org
Subject: [External] [nmrg] call for adoption as RG document : draft-= zhou-nmrg-digitaltwin-network-concepts

 

This email originated outside the University. Check= before clicking links or attachments.=

Dear NMRG,

 

This message starts the call fo= r adoption as RG document for:

Di= gital Twin Network: Concepts and Reference Architecture - draft-zhou-nmrg-d= igitaltwin-network-concepts

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhou-nmrg-= digitaltwin-network-concepts/

 

Please let us know if you suppo= rt or not the work becoming a RG document.

In all cases, provide detail= ed comments to support your opinion and send them on the mailing list.=

We are particularly interested = in assessing the following aspects:

  1. NMRG being a *research* group it is important to articulate well= the problem(s), challenge(s) and research questions.
  2. Is the scientific soundness of the draft = satisfying? (quality of the scientific proposition, rigor of the method, im= pact) ; “the measure of success is the quality and impact of the research results” [RFC2014]
  3. As = the document proposes an *architecture*, it is important to provide a clear= scope and positioning of this architecture with respect to network managem= ent/automation/operation frameworks and where/how the proposed architecture will prove useful or ai= ms at replacing/augmenting certain functionality

    4.  

    The procedure for RG document a= doption and important criteria are detailed here: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/CVEyLUvfxJk1Ud5WdM9Y5LGvQmU<= o:p>

     

    Given the time of the year, thi= s call for adoption is open for four weeks and ends on January 7th, 2022.

     

    Best regards, NMRG chairs<= /o:p>

    Laurent & J=E9r=F4me

     

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Dear Laure= nt, all,

 = ;

After reading the draf= t I support its adoption as RG document.

 

In respect to the poin= ts you raise, here are my views:

 

1.       NMRG being a *research* group it is important to ar= ticulate well the problem(s), challenge(s) and research questions.

This document clearly = address a very relevant research topic which is the definition of network d= igital twin, as well as it proposes an initial architecture. In my view it = is well stated, despite some aspects could be better clarified, as stated below when answering point 3.

 

 

2.       Is the scientific soundness of the draft satisfying= ? (quality of the scientific proposition, rigor of the method, impact) ; &#= 8220;the measure of success is the quality and impact of the research resul= ts” [RFC2014]

I think so.=

 

3.       As the document proposes an *architecture*, it is i= mportant to provide a clear scope and positioning of this architecture with= respect to network management/automation/operation frameworks and where/ho= w the proposed architecture will prove useful or aims at replacing/augmenting certain functionality

With respect to the pr= opose architecture, I think it is a good proposition. However, I think some= points need better clarification:

-&n= bsp;         In page 5, in = the first paragraph after the bullets it is mentioned that it is expected t= he DT to control the physical network. This is also reflected in the archit= ecture figure by means of an specific control interface from the DT to the physical network. I think this contro= l capability should be better explained, including scope, situations for th= at, etc. Is this control expected to happen with/without supervision? Is it= directly interacting with the physical network elements, through a control element (maybe with some associated po= licies), etc?

-&n= bsp;         After Figure 2= , when describing options for physical networks, a number of non-IETF netwo= rks are enumerated. Not sure if we should limit the scope to IETF technolog= ies in this sense, since those are the ones that the research of IRTF can influence directly.

-&n= bsp;         When referring= to base and functional models it would be nice to refer to existing IETF m= odels that could exemplify the purpose of the DT architecture. This would h= elp to understand the areas of future work, as well.

-&n= bsp;         The architectu= re assumes a DT management entity, but the responsibilities of this entity = are both: (1) managing the emulated nodes and (2) manage the overall DT. It= would be probably better to separate these two roles on independent entities.

-&n= bsp;         It is not clea= r if the physical network in the architecture contains both network element= s and the control and managing entities acting on those elements. I assume = yes, but some explicit statement in that respect would be beneficial.

-&n= bsp;         The architectu= re assumes applications on top of the DT that could provide conventional OA= M actions. This implies in my view the need of emulating as well the differ= ent NMSs/SDN controllers of the physical network that could be in place since the expectation would be to have simi= lar integration in both the DT and the physical network. Is this the expect= ation in the draft?

 

Best regards,

 

Luis=

 

De: nmrg <nmrg-bounces@irtf.org> En nombre de Ciavaglia, Laurent
Enviado el: viernes, 10 de diciembre de 2021 13:02
Para: nmrg@irtf.org
CC: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org
Asunto: [nmrg] call for adoption as RG document : draft-zhou-nmrg-di= gitaltwin-network-concepts

 

Dear NMRG,

 

This message starts the call for adoption as RG docu= ment for:

Digital Twin Network: C= oncepts and Reference Architecture - draft-zhou-nmrg-digitaltwin-network-co= ncepts

https:/= /datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhou-nmrg-digitaltwin-network-concepts/=

 

Please let us know if you support or not the work be= coming a RG document.

In all cases, provide detailed comments to suppor= t your opinion and send them on the mailing list.

We are particularly interested in assessing the foll= owing aspects:

1.       NMRG being a *research* group it is important to ar= ticulate well the problem(s), challenge(s) and research questions.

2.       Is the scientific soundness of the draft satisfying= ? (quality of the scientific proposition, rigor of the method, impact) ; &#= 8220;the measure of success is the quality and impact of the research resul= ts” [RFC2014]

3.       As the document proposes an *architecture*, it is i= mportant to provide a clear scope and positioning of this architecture with= respect to network management/automation/operation frameworks and where/ho= w the proposed architecture will prove useful or aims at replacing/augmenting certain functionality

 

The procedure for RG document adoption and important= criteria are detailed here: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/CVEyLUvfxJk1Ud5WdM9Y5LGvQmU<= o:p>

 

Given the time of the year, this call for adoption i= s open for four weeks and ends on January 7th, 2022.

 

Best regards, NMRG chairs

Laurent & J=E9r=F4me

 



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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I support adoption of the document. Articulation of the concepts and issue= s behind "digital twin networks" are an important relevant topic for manage= ment research and work item for NMRG and I would like to see the RG produce= a corresponding document as output. That said, I think in its current state, the document still needs improveme= nt in a number of areas. I am, however, willing to the give the document a= benefit of a doubt as I view it as being still quite "early" and hence by = the nature of things as somewhat immature. For example, figure 1 has IMHO = a key omission in that it does not depict the "original" of the twin. Also= , if research challenges are to be part of the document, then section 7 nee= ds to be significantly expanded (too superficial for my taste, needs to e.g= . elaborate more on the synchronization challenge of keeping the twins in s= ync, on the real-time challenge given the nature of distributed systems, pr= opagation delays, and corresponding limitations of the problem that a DT ne= twork can address, issues and limits of emulation (and the degree to which = you can mimic dynamic behaviors at the level of the DT) vs real-time compli= ance assessment with models, and more. On the research side, the idea behind DT networks is reminiscent of earlier= work from the 1990ies that should be referenced/acknowledged. Examples in= clude the Shadow MIB concept (implemented eg in the OSIMIS platform at the = time), in which a representation of the network in a management platform wa= s acted on by by applications, with active objects being responsible for th= eir synchronization, similarly Inductive Modeling Technique (as implemented= by Cabletron Spectrum at the time), presumably also references from the th= e TMN and ISO/OSI management arena. With that, responses to the questions inline, --- Alex From: nmrg On Behalf Of Ciavaglia, Laurent Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 4:02 AM To: nmrg@irtf.org Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org Subject: [nmrg] call for adoption as RG document : draft-zhou-nmrg-digitalt= win-network-concepts Dear NMRG, This message starts the call for adoption as RG document for: Digital Twin Network: Concepts and Reference Architecture - draft-zhou-nmrg= -digitaltwin-network-concepts https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhou-nmrg-digitaltwin-network-concep= ts/ Please let us know if you support or not the work becoming a RG document. Yes, I support In all cases, provide detailed comments to support your opinion and send th= em on the mailing list. We are particularly interested in assessing the following aspects: 1. NMRG being a *research* group it is important to articulate well the = problem(s), challenge(s) and research questions. If it is to address research questions, this should probably be refl= ected in title or abstract. The topic is certainly relevant for research a= nd IMHO appropriate for NMRG to tackle. 1. Is the scientific soundness of the draft satisfying? (quality of the = scientific proposition, rigor of the method, impact) ; "the measure of succ= ess is the quality and impact of the research results" [RFC2014] As mentioned earlier, references to previous work need to be expande= d on. Section 7, which discusses key challenges, is at the moment still un= derdeveloped and will need to be significantly expanded. 1. As the document proposes an *architecture*, it is important to provid= e a clear scope and positioning of this architecture with respect to networ= k management/automation/operation frameworks and where/how the proposed arc= hitecture will prove useful or aims at replacing/augmenting certain functio= nality I think the architecture that is described is clear enough, will be = useful, and provides a sufficient basis for going forward. The procedure for RG document adoption and important criteria are detailed = here: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/CVEyLUvfxJk1Ud5WdM9Y5LGvQm= U Given the time of the year, this call for adoption is open for four weeks a= nd ends on January 7th, 2022. Best regards, NMRG chairs Laurent & J=E9r=F4me --_000_CH0PR13MB4618F6FA09874BF977D087C6DB429CH0PR13MB4618namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

 

I support adoption of the document.  Articulati= on of the concepts and issues behind “digital twin networks” ar= e an important relevant topic for management research and work item for NMR= G and I would like to see the RG produce a corresponding document as output. 

 

That said, I think in its current state, the documen= t still needs improvement in a number of areas.  I am, however, willin= g to the give the document a benefit of a doubt as I view it as being still= quite “early” and hence by the nature of things as somewhat immature.  For example, figure 1 has IMHO a key= omission in that it does not depict the “original” of the twin= .  Also, if research challenges are to be part of the document, then s= ection 7 needs to be significantly expanded (too superficial for my taste, needs to e.g. elaborate more on the synchronization challeng= e of keeping the twins in sync, on the real-time challenge given the nature= of distributed systems, propagation delays, and corresponding limitations = of the problem that a DT network can address, issues and limits of emulation (and the degree to which you c= an mimic dynamic behaviors at the level of the DT) vs real-time compliance = assessment with models, and more. 

 

On the research side, the idea behind DT networks is= reminiscent of earlier work from the 1990ies that should be referenced/ack= nowledged.  Examples include the Shadow MIB concept (implemented eg in= the OSIMIS platform at the time), in which a representation of the network in a management platform was acted on by b= y applications, with active objects being responsible for their synchroniza= tion, similarly Inductive Modeling Technique (as implemented by Cabletron S= pectrum at the time), presumably also references from the the TMN and ISO/OSI management arena.  =

 

With that, responses to the questions inline, <AL= EX>

 

--- Alex

 

 

From: nmrg <nmrg-bounces@irtf.org> O= n Behalf Of Ciavaglia, Laurent
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 4:02 AM
To: nmrg@irtf.org
Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org
Subject: [nmrg] call for adoption as RG document : draft-zhou-nmrg-d= igitaltwin-network-concepts

 

Dear NMRG,

 

This message starts the call for adoption as RG docu= ment for:

Digital Twin Network: Con= cepts and Reference Architecture - draft-zhou-nmrg-digitaltwin-network-conc= epts

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhou-nmrg-digitaltwin-network-conce= pts/

 

Please let us know if you support or not the work be= coming a RG document.

<ALEX> Yes, I support </ALEX>=

In all cases, provide detailed comments to suppor= t your opinion and send them on the mailing list.

We are particularly interested in assessing the foll= owing aspects:

  1. NMRG being= a *research* group it is important to articulate well the problem(s), chal= lenge(s) and research questions.

<ALEX> If it is to address research questions,= this should probably be reflected in title or abstract.  The topic is= certainly relevant for research and IMHO appropriate for NMRG to tackle. &= lt;/ALEX>

  1. Is the sci= entific soundness of the draft satisfying? (quality of the scientific propo= sition, rigor of the method, impact) ; “the measure of success is the= quality and impact of the research results” [RFC2014]

<ALEX> As mentioned earlier, references to pre= vious work need to be expanded on.  Section 7, which discusses key cha= llenges, is at the moment still underdeveloped and will need to be signific= antly expanded. </ALEX>

  1. As the doc= ument proposes an *architecture*, it is important to provide a clear scope = and positioning of this architecture with respect to network management/aut= omation/operation frameworks and where/how the proposed architecture will prove useful or aims at replacing/augmentin= g certain functionality

<ALEX> I think the architecture that is descri= bed is clear enough, will be useful, and provides a sufficient basis for go= ing forward.</ALEX>

 

The procedure for RG document adoption and important= criteria are detailed here: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/CVEyLUvfxJk1Ud5WdM9Y5LGvQmU<= o:p>

 

Given the time of the year, this call for adoption i= s open for four weeks and ends on January 7th, 2022.

 

Best regards, NMRG chairs

Laurent & J=E9r=F4me

 

--_000_CH0PR13MB4618F6FA09874BF977D087C6DB429CH0PR13MB4618namp_-- From nobody Fri Dec 31 07:38:22 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nmrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 684D53A079C; Fri, 31 Dec 2021 07:38:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.488 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.488 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTTPS_HTTP_MISMATCH=0.1, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL=1.31, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CaECp-8R4VkS; Fri, 31 Dec 2021 07:38:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from cmccmta3.chinamobile.com (cmccmta3.chinamobile.com [221.176.66.81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9F543A079A; Fri, 31 Dec 2021 07:38:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from spf.mail.chinamobile.com (unknown[172.16.121.3]) by rmmx-syy-dmz-app12-12012 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2eec61cf23e0ac6-0ea79; Fri, 31 Dec 2021 23:38:11 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2eec61cf23e0ac6-0ea79 X-RM-TagInfo: emlType=0 X-RM-SPAM-FLAG: 00000000 Received: from cmccPC (unknown[222.129.45.40]) by rmsmtp-syy-appsvr02-12002 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee261cf23e04e8-1ec8f; Fri, 31 Dec 2021 23:38:11 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee261cf23e04e8-1ec8f From: "Cheng Zhou" To: "'Alexander Clemm'" , "'Ciavaglia, Laurent'" , Cc: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2021 23:38:08 +0800 Message-ID: <0b3e01d7fe5c$69d01590$3d7040b0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0B3F_01D7FE9F.77F35590" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdftunUyCVI/ihjgRwe0e8NuerFoMQNmBRQAAMGs2BA= Content-Language: zh-cn Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nmrg] call for adoption as RG document : draft-zhou-nmrg-digitaltwin-network-concepts X-BeenThere: nmrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Management Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2021 15:38:20 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0B3F_01D7FE9F.77F35590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Alex,=20 =20 Thank you very much for your valuable comments.=20 Please check my initial reply inline. We will update the draft later = after in-depth study on your comments.=20 =20 Best Regards, Cheng Zhou (on behalf of authors) =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: nmrg [mailto:nmrg-bounces@irtf.org] = =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Alexander Clemm =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: = 2021=E5=B9=B412=E6=9C=8828=E6=97=A5 03:20 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Ciavaglia, Laurent; nmrg@irtf.org =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [nmrg] call for adoption as RG document : = draft-zhou-nmrg-digitaltwin-network-concepts =20 Hi all, =20 I support adoption of the document. Articulation of the concepts and = issues behind =E2=80=9Cdigital twin networks=E2=80=9D are an important = relevant topic for management research and work item for NMRG and I = would like to see the RG produce a corresponding document as output. =20 =20 That said, I think in its current state, the document still needs = improvement in a number of areas. I am, however, willing to the give = the document a benefit of a doubt as I view it as being still quite = =E2=80=9Cearly=E2=80=9D and hence by the nature of things as somewhat = immature. For example, figure 1 has IMHO a key omission in that it does = not depict the =E2=80=9Coriginal=E2=80=9D of the twin. Also, if = research challenges are to be part of the document, then section 7 needs = to be significantly expanded (too superficial for my taste, needs to = e.g. elaborate more on the synchronization challenge of keeping the = twins in sync, on the real-time challenge given the nature of = distributed systems, propagation delays, and corresponding limitations = of the problem that a DT network can address, issues and limits of = emulation (and the degree to which you can mimic dynamic behaviors at = the level of the DT) vs real-time compliance assessment with models, and = more. =20 Accept your suggestion. We will revise the draft in next = version via 1) describing more on the =E2=80=98original=E2=80=99 of the = twin, and 2) expending research challenges.=20 =20 On the research side, the idea behind DT networks is reminiscent of = earlier work from the 1990ies that should be referenced/acknowledged. = Examples include the Shadow MIB concept (implemented eg in the OSIMIS = platform at the time), in which a representation of the network in a = management platform was acted on by by applications, with active objects = being responsible for their synchronization, similarly Inductive = Modeling Technique (as implemented by Cabletron Spectrum at the time), = presumably also references from the the TMN and ISO/OSI management = arena. =20 Thanks for the information. We will study the mentioned = earlier techniques related to digital twin network, then revise the = draft via referring more in related section (e.g. either introduction = section)=20 =20 With that, responses to the questions inline, =20 --- Alex =20 =20 From: nmrg On Behalf Of Ciavaglia, Laurent Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 4:02 AM To: nmrg@irtf.org Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org Subject: [nmrg] call for adoption as RG document : = draft-zhou-nmrg-digitaltwin-network-concepts =20 Dear NMRG, =20 This message starts the call for adoption as RG document for: Digital Twin Network: Concepts and Reference Architecture - = draft-zhou-nmrg-digitaltwin-network-concepts https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhou-nmrg-digitaltwin-network-conc= epts/ = =20 =20 Please let us know if you support or not the work becoming a RG = document. Yes, I support In all cases, provide detailed comments to support your opinion and send = them on the mailing list. We are particularly interested in assessing the following aspects: 1. NMRG being a *research* group it is important to articulate well = the problem(s), challenge(s) and research questions.=20 If it is to address research questions, this should probably be = reflected in title or abstract. The topic is certainly relevant for = research and IMHO appropriate for NMRG to tackle. =20 Accept your suggestion and will revise in next version. 2. Is the scientific soundness of the draft satisfying? (quality of = the scientific proposition, rigor of the method, impact) ; =E2=80=9Cthe = measure of success is the quality and impact of the research = results=E2=80=9D [RFC2014] As mentioned earlier, references to previous work need to be = expanded on. Section 7, which discusses key challenges, is at the = moment still underdeveloped and will need to be significantly expanded. = Accept your suggestion and will revise in next version. 3. As the document proposes an *architecture*, it is important to = provide a clear scope and positioning of this architecture with respect = to network management/automation/operation frameworks and where/how the = proposed architecture will prove useful or aims at replacing/augmenting = certain functionality I think the architecture that is described is clear enough, will = be useful, and provides a sufficient basis for going forward. =20 The procedure for RG document adoption and important criteria are = detailed here: = https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/CVEyLUvfxJk1Ud5WdM9Y5LGvQmU = =20 =20 Given the time of the year, this call for adoption is open for four = weeks and ends on January 7th, 2022. =20 Best regards, NMRG chairs Laurent & J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0B3F_01D7FE9F.77F35590 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Alex, =

 

Thank you very much for your = valuable comments.

Please check=C2=A0 = my initial reply = inline. We will update the draft = later after in-depth study on your comments.

 

Best=C2=A0 = Regards,

Cheng Zhou (on behalf of = authors)

 

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB= =B6=E4=BA=BA: nmrg = [mailto:nmrg-bounces@irtf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1= =A8 Alexander = Clemm
=E5=8F=91=E9=80= =81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: = 2021=E5=B9=B412=E6=9C=8828=E6=97=A5 = 03:20
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Ciavaglia, Laurent; = nmrg@irtf.org
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: = nmrg-chairs@irtf.org
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [nmrg] call for = adoption as RG document : = draft-zhou-nmrg-digitaltwin-network-concepts

=

 

Hi all,

 

I support adoption of the document.  Articulation of = the concepts and issues behind =E2=80=9Cdigital twin networks=E2=80=9D = are an important relevant topic for management research and work item = for NMRG and I would like to see the RG produce a corresponding document = as output. 

 

That said, I think in its current state, the document still = needs improvement in a number of areas.  I am, however, willing to = the give the document a benefit of a doubt as I view it as being still = quite =E2=80=9Cearly=E2=80=9D and hence by the nature of things as = somewhat immature.  For example, figure 1 has IMHO a key omission = in that it does not depict the =E2=80=9Coriginal=E2=80=9D of the = twin.  Also, if research challenges are to be part of the document, = then section 7 needs to be significantly expanded (too superficial for = my taste, needs to e.g. elaborate more on the synchronization challenge = of keeping the twins in sync, on the real-time challenge given the = nature of distributed systems, propagation delays, and corresponding = limitations of the problem that a DT network can address, issues and = limits of emulation (and the degree to which you can mimic dynamic = behaviors at the level of the DT) vs real-time compliance assessment = with models, and more. 

<Authors> Accept your suggestion. We will = revise the draft in next version via 1) describing more on the = =E2=80=98original=E2=80=99 of the twin, and 2) expending research = challenges.

 

On the research side, the idea = behind DT networks is reminiscent of earlier work from the 1990ies that = should be referenced/acknowledged.  Examples include the Shadow MIB = concept (implemented eg in the OSIMIS platform at the time), in which a = representation of the network in a management platform was acted on by = by applications, with active objects being responsible for their = synchronization, similarly Inductive Modeling Technique (as implemented = by Cabletron Spectrum at the time), presumably also references from the = the TMN and ISO/OSI management arena. 

<Authors> Thanks for the information. We = will study the mentioned earlier techniques related to digital twin = network, then revise the draft via referring more in related section = (e.g. either introduction section)

 

With that, responses to the = questions inline, <ALEX>

 

--- Alex

 

 

From: nmrg = <nmrg-bounces@irtf.org> On Behalf Of Ciavaglia, = Laurent
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 4:02 AM
To: = nmrg@irtf.org
Cc: nmrg-chairs@irtf.org
Subject: = [nmrg] call for adoption as RG document : = draft-zhou-nmrg-digitaltwin-network-concepts

<= /div>

 

Dear NMRG,

 

This message starts the call for adoption as RG document = for:

Digital Twin Network: = Concepts and Reference Architecture - = draft-zhou-nmrg-digitaltwin-network-concepts

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft= -zhou-nmrg-digitaltwin-network-concepts/

 

Please let us know if you support = or not the work becoming a RG document.

<ALEX> Yes, I support = </ALEX>

In all cases, provide detailed comments to support your = opinion and send them on the mailing list.

We are particularly interested in = assessing the following aspects:

1.      = NMRG being a = *research* group it is important to articulate well the problem(s), = challenge(s) and research questions.

<ALEX> If it is to address = research questions, this should probably be reflected in title or = abstract.  The topic is certainly relevant for research and IMHO = appropriate for NMRG to tackle. </ALEX>

<Authors> Accept your suggestion and will = revise in next version.

2.      = Is the scientific = soundness of the draft satisfying? (quality of the scientific = proposition, rigor of the method, impact) ; =E2=80=9Cthe measure of = success is the quality and impact of the research results=E2=80=9D = [RFC2014]

<ALEX> As mentioned earlier, references to previous = work need to be expanded on.  Section 7, which discusses key = challenges, is at the moment still underdeveloped and will need to be = significantly expanded. </ALEX>

<Authors> Accept your suggestion and will = revise in next version.

3.      = As the document = proposes an *architecture*, it is important to provide a clear scope and = positioning of this architecture with respect to network = management/automation/operation frameworks and where/how the proposed = architecture will prove useful or aims at replacing/augmenting certain = functionality

<ALEX> I think the architecture that is described is = clear enough, will be useful, and provides a sufficient basis for going = forward.</ALEX>

 

The procedure for RG document adoption and important = criteria are detailed here: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/nmrg/CVE= yLUvfxJk1Ud5WdM9Y5LGvQmU

 

Given the time of the year, this = call for adoption is open for four weeks and ends on January = 7th, 2022.

 

Best regards, NMRG = chairs

Laurent & J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me

 

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