From notifications-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 27 16:24:00 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GzgFh-0006HE-MF; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:23:57 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GzgFg-0006GH-Nm; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:23:56 -0500 Received: from outbound.cantata.com ([208.236.123.102]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GzgFR-0007I3-DH; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:23:56 -0500 Received: from ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) by outbound.Cantata.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:23:40 -0500 Received: from 10.128.16.233 ([10.128.16.233]) by ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 21:23:40 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.2.061213 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:23:29 -0500 From: Eric Burger To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Notifications Jabber Chat Thread-Index: Accp/UCQfuB5HpXwEdulrQAWy5cvmw== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Dec 2006 21:23:41.0092 (UTC) FILETIME=[47C53640:01C729FD] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad Cc: IETF LEMONADE Subject: [Notifications] Notifications Jabber Chat X-BeenThere: notifications@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Message Notifications interest group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: notifications-bounces@ietf.org We would like to have a Jabber Chat to discuss notifications, with a focus on Lemonade, but open to the larger problem space. We would propose the following dates. Please respond to the NOTIFICATIONS list , not the LEMONADE list . [ ] January 24, 10am Eastern Time [ ] January 25, 10am Eastern Time [ ] Other: _______ Thanks. _______________________________________________ Notifications mailing list Notifications@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/notifications From notifications-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 28 05:40:37 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gzsgc-0000f1-RD; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 05:40:34 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gzsgb-0000et-8V for notifications@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 05:40:33 -0500 Received: from rutherford.zen.co.uk ([212.23.3.142]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GzsgM-0006Gt-Hj for notifications@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 05:40:33 -0500 Received: from [217.155.137.60] (helo=turner.dave.cridland.net) by rutherford.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1GzsgL-0004wj-B7; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 10:40:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by turner.dave.cridland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA012498004; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 10:44:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from turner.dave.cridland.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turner.dave.cridland.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11599-05; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 10:44:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from peirce.dave.cridland.net (unknown [IPv6:2001:4bd0:2029:0:2e0:81ff:fe29:d16a]) by turner.dave.cridland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC288498003; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 10:44:22 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 10:40:07 +0000 Subject: Re: [Notifications] Notifications Jabber Chat References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3428.1167302408.295477@peirce.dave.cridland.net> From: Dave Cridland To: Eric Burger Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at dave.cridland.net X-Originating-Rutherford-IP: [217.155.137.60] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 Cc: Message Notifications interest group discussion list X-BeenThere: notifications@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Message Notifications interest group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: notifications-bounces@ietf.org On Wed Dec 27 21:23:29 2006, Eric Burger wrote: > We would like to have a Jabber Chat to discuss notifications, with > a focus > on Lemonade, but open to the larger problem space. > > I'd like to pre-empt this by asking what people feel notifications actually are. I think there's at least three types - MWI notifications, out-of-band synchronization messages, and user-directed alerts. My suspicion is that several approaches are trying to combine these into a single mechanism, and I suspect that this is a bad thing. > We would propose the following dates. Please respond to the > NOTIFICATIONS > list , not the LEMONADE list > . > > [ ] January 24, 10am Eastern Time > [ ] January 25, 10am Eastern Time > [ ] Other: _______ Probably any of those is fine for me, although I've not yet taken the time to resolve "Eastern Time" into something I understand. Dave. -- Dave Cridland - mailto:dave@cridland.net - xmpp:dwd@jabber.org - acap://acap.dave.cridland.net/byowner/user/dwd/bookmarks/ - http://dave.cridland.net/ Infotrope Polymer - ACAP, IMAP, ESMTP, and Lemonade _______________________________________________ Notifications mailing list Notifications@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/notifications From notifications-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 28 10:28:28 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GzxBE-0004xF-Rf; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 10:28:28 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GzxBD-0004xA-Os for notifications@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 10:28:27 -0500 Received: from outbound.cantata.com ([208.236.123.102]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GzxB9-00060t-CS for notifications@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 10:28:27 -0500 Received: from ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) by outbound.Cantata.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 28 Dec 2006 10:28:22 -0500 Received: from 10.128.16.233 ([10.128.16.233]) by ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 15:28:22 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.2.061213 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 10:28:09 -0500 From: Eric Burger To: Dave Cridland Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Notifications Jabber Chat Times Thread-Index: AccqbJPC/QoPemrXRneZl0rWHoCIOQAKDOAC In-Reply-To: <3428.1167302408.295477@peirce.dave.cridland.net> Mime-version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2006 15:28:22.0865 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF87AC10:01C72A94] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a1852b4f554b02e7e4548cc7928acc1f Cc: Message Notifications interest group discussion list Subject: [Notifications] Notifications Jabber Chat Times X-BeenThere: notifications@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Message Notifications interest group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1830564744==" Errors-To: notifications-bounces@ietf.org > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --===============1830564744== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3250146489_5852617" > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3250146489_5852617 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit 24 January 2007: 25 January 2007: On 12/28/06 5:40 AM, "Dave Cridland" wrote: > On Wed Dec 27 21:23:29 2006, Eric Burger wrote: >> > We would like to have a Jabber Chat to discuss notifications, with >> > a focus >> > on Lemonade, but open to the larger problem space. >> > >> > > I'd like to pre-empt this by asking what people feel notifications > actually are. > > I think there's at least three types - MWI notifications, out-of-band > synchronization messages, and user-directed alerts. > > My suspicion is that several approaches are trying to combine these > into a single mechanism, and I suspect that this is a bad thing. > > >> > We would propose the following dates. Please respond to the >> > NOTIFICATIONS >> > list , not the LEMONADE list >> > . >> > >> > [ ] January 24, 10am Eastern Time >> > [ ] January 25, 10am Eastern Time >> > [ ] Other: _______ > > Probably any of those is fine for me, although I've not yet taken the > time to resolve "Eastern Time" into something I understand. > > Dave. > -- > Dave Cridland - mailto:dave@cridland.net - xmpp:dwd@jabber.org > - acap://acap.dave.cridland.net/byowner/user/dwd/bookmarks/ > - http://dave.cridland.net/ > Infotrope Polymer - ACAP, IMAP, ESMTP, and Lemonade > --B_3250146489_5852617 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Notifications Jabber Chat Times 24 Ja= nuary 2007:
<http://www.timeanddate.com/worldc= lock/fixedtime.html?month=3D1&day=3D24&year=3D2006&hour=3D10&min=3D0&a= mp;sec=3D0&p1=3D43>

25 January 2007:
<http://www.timeanddate.com/worldc= lock/fixedtime.html?month=3D1&day=3D25&year=3D2006&hour=3D10&min=3D0&a= mp;sec=3D0&p1=3D43>


On 12/28/06 5:40 AM, "Dave Cridland" <dave@cridland.net> wr= ote:

On Wed Dec 27 21:23:29 2006, Eric Burger wrote:
> We would like to have a Jabber Chat to discuss notifications, with
> a focus
> on Lemonade, but open to the larger problem space.
>
>
I'd like to pre-empt this by asking what people feel notifications
actually are.

I think there's at least three types - MWI notifications, out-of-band
synchronization messages, and user-directed alerts.

My suspicion is that several approaches are trying to combine these
into a single mechanism, and I suspect that this is a bad thing.


> We would propose the following dates.  Please respond to the
> NOTIFICATIONS
> list <mailto:notifications@= ietf.org>, not the LEMONADE list
> <mailto:lemonade@ietf.org>.
>
> [ ]   January 24, 10am Eastern Time
> [ ]   January 25, 10am Eastern Time
> [ ]   Other: _______

Probably any of those is fine for me, although I've not yet taken the
time to resolve "Eastern Time" into something I understand.

Dave.
--
Dave Cridland - mailto:dave@cridland.net= - xmpp:dwd@jabber.org
  - acap://acap.dave.cridland.net/byowner/user/dwd/bookmarks/
  - http://dave.cridland.net/=
Infotrope Polymer - ACAP, IMAP, ESMTP, and Lemonade


 --B_3250146489_5852617-- --===============1830564744== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Notifications mailing list Notifications@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/notifications --===============1830564744==-- From notifications-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 28 10:30:19 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GzxD1-0005JF-Jz; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 10:30:19 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GzxD0-0005JA-Q2 for notifications@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 10:30:18 -0500 Received: from outbound.cantata.com ([208.236.123.102]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GzxCz-0006FM-K7 for notifications@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 10:30:18 -0500 Received: from ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) by outbound.Cantata.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 28 Dec 2006 10:30:17 -0500 Received: from 10.128.16.233 ([10.128.16.233]) by ma02exchtmp01.Cantata.com ([10.128.18.41]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 15:30:16 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.2.061213 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 10:30:01 -0500 From: Eric Burger To: "notifications@ietf.org" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Notifications Types for Lemonade Thread-Index: AccqlQoFSMfN2paIEdulrQAWy5cvmw== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2006 15:30:17.0318 (UTC) FILETIME=[13BFD060:01C72A95] X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Subject: [Notifications] Notifications Types for Lemonade X-BeenThere: notifications@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Message Notifications interest group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: notifications-bounces@ietf.org Drawing on Dave's e-mail: Do we have any interest in notifications OTHER than: MWI (Message Waiting Indicator) - "You have 2 new messages, 1 fax message, and 99 old messages" OOB Sync Messages (Out-of-Band, i.e., not IMAP) - "Hey - wake up! You have some work to do at the server." User-Directed Alerts - "That important message from your boss just arrived." Do these notification classes have a different meaning to you? RSVP _______________________________________________ Notifications mailing list Notifications@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/notifications From notifications-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 28 10:33:44 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GzxGJ-0006Yj-Uq; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 10:33:43 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GzxGI-0006Yd-Rv for notifications@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 10:33:42 -0500 Received: from co300216-ier2.net.avaya.com ([198.152.13.103]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GzxGG-0006Yf-Hz for notifications@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 10:33:42 -0500 Received: from IS0004AVEXU1.global.avaya.com (h135-64-105-51.avaya.com [135.64.105.51]) by co300216-ier2.net.avaya.com (Switch-3.1.8/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id kBSFXXxb010122 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2006 10:33:34 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: FW: [Notifications] Notifications Jabber Chat Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 17:33:33 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Notifications] Notifications Jabber Chat Thread-Index: Accp/UCQfuB5HpXwEdulrQAWy5cvmwAcFuRAAAnnGHA= From: "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" To: X-Scanner: InterScan AntiVirus for Sendmail X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52e1467c2184c31006318542db5614d5 X-BeenThere: notifications@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Message Notifications interest group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: notifications-bounces@ietf.org =20 I can do both 1/24 and 1/25. I am interested to know what the 'larger problem space' may be, in relation to different pieces of work related to Notifications in the OPS Area.=20 Dan -----Original Message----- From: Eric Burger [mailto:eburger@cantata.com] Sent: woensdag 27 december 2006 22:23 To: notifications@ietf.org Cc: IETF LEMONADE Subject: [Notifications] Notifications Jabber Chat We would like to have a Jabber Chat to discuss notifications, with a focus on Lemonade, but open to the larger problem space. We would propose the following dates. Please respond to the NOTIFICATIONS list , not the LEMONADE list . [ ] January 24, 10am Eastern Time [ ] January 25, 10am Eastern Time [ ] Other: _______ Thanks. _______________________________________________ Notifications mailing list Notifications@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/notifications _______________________________________________ Notifications mailing list Notifications@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/notifications