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The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5905,
"Network Time Protocol Version 4: Protocol and Algorithms Specification".

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Type: Technical
Reported by: Richard Walters <rwalters@qualcomm.com>

Section: A.5.1.1

Original Text
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        /*

         * Calculate offset, delay and dispersion, then pass to the

         * clock filter.  Note carefully the implied processing.  The

         * first-order difference is done directly in 64-bit arithmetic,

         * then the result is converted to floating double.  All further

         * processing is in floating-double arithmetic with rounding

         * done by the hardware.  This is necessary in order to avoid

         * overflow and preserve precision.

         *

         * The delay calculation is a special case.  In cases where the

         * server and client clocks are running at different rates and

         * with very fast networks, the delay can appear negative.  In

         * order to avoid violating the Principle of Least Astonishment,

         * the delay is clamped not less than the system precision.

         */

        if (p->pmode == M_BCST) {

                offset = LFP2D(r->xmt - r->dst);

                delay = BDELAY;

                disp = LOG2D(r->precision) + LOG2D(s.precision) + PHI *

                    2 * BDELAY;

        } else {

                offset = (LFP2D(r->rec - r->org) + LFP2D(r->dst -

                    r->xmt)) / 2;

                delay = max(LFP2D(r->dst - r->org) - LFP2D(r->rec -

                    r->xmt), LOG2D(s.precision));

                disp = LOG2D(r->precision) + LOG2D(s.precision) + PHI *

                    LFP2D(r->dst - r->org);

        }

        clock_filter(p, offset, delay, disp);



Corrected Text
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        /*

         * Calculate offset, delay and dispersion, then pass to the

         * clock filter.  Note carefully the implied processing.  The

         * first-order difference is done directly in 64-bit arithmetic,

         * then the result is converted to floating double.  All further

         * processing is in floating-double arithmetic with rounding

         * done by the hardware.  This is necessary in order to avoid

         * overflow and preserve precision.

         *

         * The delay calculation is a special case.  In cases where the

         * server and client clocks are running at different rates and

         * with very fast networks, the delay can appear negative.  In

         * order to avoid violating the Principle of Least Astonishment,

         * the delay is clamped not less than the system precision.

         */

        if (p->pmode == M_BCST) {

                offset = LFP2D(r->xmt - r->dst);

                delay = BDELAY;

                disp = LOG2D(r->precision) + LOG2D(s.precision) + PHI *

                    2 * BDELAY;

        } else {

                offset = (LFP2D(r->rec - r->org) + LFP2D(r->xmt -

                    r->dst)) / 2;

                delay = max(LFP2D(r->dst - r->org) - LFP2D(r->xmt -

                    r->rec), LOG2D(s.precision));

                disp = LOG2D(r->precision) + LOG2D(s.precision) + PHI *

                    LFP2D(r->dst - r->org);

        }

        clock_filter(p, offset, delay, disp);



Notes
-----
Calculations of 'offset' and 'delay' have terms that are incorrectly swapped.  In the calculation of 'offset', term 'r->dst' should be 'r->xmt', and term 'r->xmt' should be 'r->dst'.  In the calculation of 'delay', term 'r->rec' should be 'r->xmt', and term 'r->xmt' should be 'r->rec'.



See the text from section 8:



   "In the figure, the first packet transmitted by A contains only the

   origin timestamp t1, which is then copied to T1.  B receives the

   packet at t2 and copies t1 to T1 and the receive timestamp t2 to T2.

   At this time or some time later at t3, B sends a packet to A

   containing t1 and t2 and the transmit timestamp t3.  All three

   timestamps are copied to the corresponding state variables.  A

   receives the packet at t4 containing the three timestamps t1, t2, and

   t3 and the destination timestamp t4.  These four timestamps are used

   to compute the offset and delay of B relative to A, as described

   below.



...



   "The four most recent timestamps, T1 through T4, are used to compute

   the offset of B relative to A



   theta = T(B) - T(A) = 1/2 * [(T2-T1) + (T3-T4)]



   and the round-trip delay



   delta = T(ABA) = (T4-T1) - (T3-T2)."



Noting that, from the perspective of A at time t4:



T1 = t1 = origin timestamp (r->org)

T2 = t2 = receive timestamp (r->rec)

T3 = t3 = transmit timestamp (r->xmt)

T4 = t4 = destination timestamp (r->dst)



An alternative correction would be to change the '+' to a '-' in the calculation of 'offset', and change the '-' to a '+' in the calculation of 'delay'.  However, this would deviate from the operators used in the formulas from section 8.

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The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5905,
"Network Time Protocol Version 4: Protocol and Algorithms Specification".

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Type: Editorial
Reported by: Richard Walters <rwalters@qualcomm.com>

Section: 3

Original Text
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          +-------------------+-------------------+------------------+

          |  Association Mode | Assoc. Mode Value | Packet Mode Value|

          +-------------------+-------------------+------------------+

          | Symmetric Active  |         1         | 1 or 2           |

          | Symmetric Passive |         2         | 1                |

          | Client            |         3         | 4                |

          | Server            |         4         | 3                |

          | Broadcast Server  |         5         | 5                |

          | Broadcast Client  |         6         | N/A              |

          +-------------------+-------------------+------------------+



                  Figure 1: Association and Packet Modes



   In the client/server variant, a persistent client sends packet mode 4

   packets to a server, which returns packet mode 3 packets.



Corrected Text
--------------
          +-------------------+-------------------+------------------+

          |  Association Mode | Assoc. Mode Value | Packet Mode Value|

          +-------------------+-------------------+------------------+

          | Symmetric Active  |         1         | 1 or 2           |

          | Symmetric Passive |         2         | 1                |

          | Client            |         3         | 4                |

          | Server            |         4         | 3                |

          | Broadcast Server  |         5         | N/A              |

          | Broadcast Client  |         6         | 5                |

          +-------------------+-------------------+------------------+



                  Figure 1: Association and Packet Modes



   In the client/server variant, a persistent client sends packet mode 3

   packets to a server, which returns packet mode 4 packets.

Notes
-----
The majority of the rows in Figure 1 are correct if the 'Packet Mode Value' refers to the mode of packets which are expected to be received by an NTP speaker which has mobilized an association with the corresponding 'Association Mode'.  Assuming this is the case, the last two rows are incorrect:



* A peer with a mobilized 'Broadcast Server' mode association is not expected to receive any packets at all for this association -- a broadcast server does not receive anything back (see 'Broadcast' mode row in Section 9.2, Figure 20, where each column in that row is 'DSCRD'.)  Therefore, the value of 'Packet Mode Value' for 'Broadcast Server' should be 'N/A', not '5'.



* A peer with a mobilized 'Broadcast Client' mode association is expected to receive packets with a 'Packet Mode Value' of 5 for this association (see 'Bcast Client' mode row in Section 9.2, Figure 20, where each column in that row is 'DSCRD' except for the '5' column, which is 'PROC'.)  Therefore, the value of 'Packet Mode Value' for 'Broadcast Client' should be '5', not 'N/A'.



It might help the clarity of Figure 1 if the row labeled 'Packet Mode Value' were to be changed to 'Receive Packet Mode Value(s)'.



The text immediately following Figure 1 also has the packet mode values swapped.  As made clear throughout the RFC (for example, see Section 9.2 where is says, "FXMIT.  This indicates a client (mode 3) packet matching no association (mode 0).  If the destination address is not a broadcast address, the server constructs a server (mode 4) packet and returns it to the client without retaining state."), clients send servers packet mode 3 packets, not packet mode 4 packets; it is servers which send clients packet mode 4 packets, not packet mode 3 packets.



Just to make it perfectly clear, here are the modes of packets sent:



* Time t0: client mobilizes 'Client' mode association for server (via configuration, or due to reception of manycast server packet)

* Time t1: client transmits mode 3 packet to server (e.g. via poll(p) => peer_xmit(p) when c.t >= p->nextdate)

* Time t2: server receives mode 3 packet from client (dispatch: FXMIT; no association found or mobilized)

* Time t3: server transmits mode 4 packet to client

* Time t4: client receives mode 4 packet from server (matches previously mobilized association -- dispatch: PROC)

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All,
        This is the English version of the report documenting the 
analysis of the Autokey specification is available at:

http://www.innovationslab.net/~brian/NTP/autokey-analysis.pdf

Please review it and comment as needed.  It will be discussed during the 
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The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5905,
"Network Time Protocol Version 4: Protocol and Algorithms Specification".

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Type: Technical
Reported by: Richard Walters <rwalters@qualcomm.com>

Section: A.5.5.1

Original Text
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                /*

                 * Scan the chime list from lowest to highest to find

                 * the lower endpoint.

                 */

                found = 0;

                chime = 0;

                for (i = 0; i < n; i++) {

                        chime -= s.m[i].type;

                        if (chime >= n - found) {

                                low = s.m[i].edge;

                                break;

                        }

                        if (s.m[i].type == 0)

                                found++;

                }



                /*

                 * Scan the chime list from highest to lowest to find

                 * the upper endpoint.

                 */

                chime = 0;

                for (i = n - 1; i >= 0; i--) {

                        chime += s.m[i].type;

                        if (chime >= n - found) {

                                high = s.m[i].edge;

                                break;

                        }

                        if (s.m[i].type == 0)

                                found++;

                }



Corrected Text
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                /*

                 * Scan the chime list from lowest to highest to find

                 * the lower endpoint.

                 */

                found = 0;

                chime = 0;

                for (i = 0; i < n; i++) {

                        chime -= s.m[i].type;

                        if (chime >= n - allow) {

                                low = s.m[i].edge;

                                break;

                        }

                        if (s.m[i].type == 0)

                                found++;

                }



                /*

                 * Scan the chime list from highest to lowest to find

                 * the upper endpoint.

                 */

                chime = 0;

                for (i = n - 1; i >= 0; i--) {

                        chime += s.m[i].type;

                        if (chime >= n - allow) {

                                high = s.m[i].edge;

                                break;

                        }

                        if (s.m[i].type == 0)

                                found++;

                }



Notes
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In both scans (lowest to highest, and highest to lowest)



chime >= n - found



needs to be:



chime >= n - allow

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Type: Editorial
Reported by: Richard Walters <rwalters@qualcomm.com>

Section: 11.2.1

Original Text
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   First, those servers that are unusable according to the rules of the

   protocol are detected and discarded as shown by the accept() routine

   in Appendix A.5.5.3.

Corrected Text
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   First, those servers that are unusable according to the rules of the

   protocol are detected and discarded as shown by the fit() routine

   in Appendix A.5.2.

Notes
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The fit() and accept() routines are identical.  Since accept() is not called from, nor mentioned anywhere else, whereas fit() is called from two places and listed in the function prototypes, just drop accept() and use fit() instead in section 11.2.1.

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All,
      Does anyone have any comments on the 4 errata filings posted 
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On 2/29/2012 11:54 AM, Brian Haberman wrote:
> All,
>      Does anyone have any comments on the 4 errata filings posted
> against the base NTP spec (RFC 5905)?
> 
> Regards,
> Brian

I remember seeing one, the one I submitted. What are the others?

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Danny,
     There were 4, all filed by Richard Walters.

http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5905&eid=3125
http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5905&eid=3126
http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5905&eid=3127
http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5905&eid=3132

I am in the process of going through them right now.

Regards,
Brian

On 2/29/12 2:04 PM, Danny Mayer wrote:
> On 2/29/2012 11:54 AM, Brian Haberman wrote:
>> All,
>>      Does anyone have any comments on the 4 errata filings posted
>> against the base NTP spec (RFC 5905)?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Brian
> 
> I remember seeing one, the one I submitted. What are the others?
> 
> Danny
> 
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