Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Downgrade attacks on PKCE

From: Kazuki Tsuzuku <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2020 07:30:56 +0000

We(Yahoo! JAPAN) agree with option 2.

Option 1 is not realistic for us as an IdP with thousands of clients because it will force them to change implementations.
Also, we already implemented 2 and it was not complicated.

Kazuki Tsuzuku

> On 30 May 2020, at 08:58, Daniel Fett <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Aaron, Dick, Torsten and I today discussed the downgrade attacks on PKCE [1] and how to mitigate them in OAuth 2.1 and 2.0. We came to the conclusion that we have two options:
>
> 1. "Static" Solution
>
> For every client_id that is registered with an AS, the AS MUST either always enforce the use of PKCE or always enforce the use of nonce. Whether PKCE or nonce is enforced can be part of the client registration or configured in other ways.
>
> In other words: A single client is not allowed to switch between using PKCE and using nonce.
>
> Note that the client is allowed to use the respective other mechanism on top of the enforced one.
>
> Properties:
> Easy to understand mitigation.
> Implementation is mainly a new data field and a check in the authorization request.
> Not compatible to deployments where clients sometimes use nonce and sometimes use PKCE with the same client_id.
> 2. "Dynamic" Solution
>
> Each AS that supports PKCE MUST check whether a code challenge is contained in the authorization request. This information MUST be bound to the code that is issued.
>
> When a code arrives at the token endpoint, the AS MUST do the following check:
>
> If there was a code_challenge in the authorization request for which this code was issued, there must be a code_verifier in the token request and it must be verified according to RFC7636. (This is no change from the current behavior in RFC7636.)
> If there was no code_challenge in the authorization request, any request to the token endpoint containing a code_verifier MUST be rejected.
> Properties:
>
> No change in behavior needed for properly implemented clients. Backwards compatible for all existing deployments.
> Implementation is mainly some logic for the authorization endpoint, token endpoint, and a new data field in the authorization session maintained by the AS.
> Slightly more complex to implement for the AS, maybe.
> We would like to hear the feedback from the working group on these two solutions before proceeding to propose wording for the affected documents.
>
> [1] https://danielfett.de/2020/05/16/pkce-vs-nonce-equivalent-or-not/ <https://danielfett.de/2020/05/16/pkce-vs-nonce-equivalent-or-not/>
>
> -Daniel
>
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