From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Tue Jan 03 10:18:16 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EtnvU-0006Gl-5F for openpgp-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 10:18:16 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA04793 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:17:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k03EvAiA010041; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 06:57:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k03EvAtg010040; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 06:57:10 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ipnet.kiev.ua (cielago.ip.net.ua [82.193.96.7]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k03Ev8v8010032 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 06:57:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ni4@ukr.net) Received: from localhost (rocky.ip.net.ua [82.193.96.2]) by mail.ipnet.kiev.ua (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03EuvEB067672 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:56:57 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ni4@ukr.net) Received: from mail.ipnet.kiev.ua ([82.193.96.7]) by localhost (rocky.ipnet [82.193.96.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 85767-01-10 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:56:55 +0200 (EET) Received: from INFERNAL (172.16.2.165.cl.ipnet.kiev.ua [172.16.2.165]) by mail.ipnet.kiev.ua (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03ErSrL067244 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:53:29 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ni4@ukr.net) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:50:36 +0200 From: "Nickolay L." X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.0.1.33) Professional Reply-To: "Nickolay L." X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <695457682.20060103165036@ukr.net> To: OpenPGP Subject: String-to-key problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ip.net.ua Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Happy new year to all! And here is the question : I have one secret key (it seems, that it was generated by PGP Desktop 9.0.3), and it have one problem - symmetric algorithm (in place of S2KUsage) is reported to be 3DES, which has 192bit keylength, but in standarts everywhere told, that when S2K is absent, simple MD5 checksum should be used, but how to derive from 128-bit MD5 192-bit key, there is no any ideas.. Does anybody have any suggestions? -- Best regards,Nickolay mailto: From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Tue Jan 03 13:03:11 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EtqV4-0002kt-UI for openpgp-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:03:11 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA04004 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 13:01:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k03HoFQS028900; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:50:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k03HoFic028899; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:50:15 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from finney.org (226-132.adsl2.netlojix.net [207.71.226.132]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k03HoF0i028893 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:50:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hal@finney.org) Received: by finney.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 8CCF657F5B; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:51:43 -0800 (PST) To: ni4@ukr.net Subject: Re: String-to-key problem Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Message-Id: <20060103175143.8CCF657F5B@finney.org> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:51:43 -0800 (PST) From: hal@finney.org ("Hal Finney") Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Nickolay L. writes: > And here is the question : I have one secret key (it seems, that it > was generated by PGP Desktop 9.0.3), and it have one problem - > symmetric algorithm (in place of S2KUsage) is reported to be 3DES, > which has 192bit keylength, but in standarts everywhere told, that > when S2K is absent, simple MD5 checksum should be used, but how to > derive from 128-bit MD5 192-bit key, there is no any ideas.. I'm surprised that PGP 9.0.3 would use this old format. This behavior is deprecated in the new draft. However, such cases should be handled identically to the Simple S2K format. This is described in the new draft as follows: Simple S2K hashes the passphrase to produce the session key. The manner in which this is done depends on the size of the session key (which will depend on the cipher used) and the size of the hash algorithm's output. If the hash size is greater than the session key size, the high-order (leftmost) octets of the hash are used as the key. If the hash size is less than the key size, multiple instances of the hash context are created -- enough to produce the required key data. These instances are preloaded with 0, 1, 2, ... octets of zeros (that is to say, the first instance has no preloading, the second gets preloaded with 1 octet of zero, the third is preloaded with two octets of zeros, and so forth). As the data is hashed, it is given independently to each hash context. Since the contexts have been initialized differently, they will each produce different hash output. Once the passphrase is hashed, the output data from the multiple hashes is concatenated, first hash leftmost, to produce the key data, with any excess octets on the right discarded. Hal Finney From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Tue Jan 03 13:52:48 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EtrH6-0004i8-3d for openpgp-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:52:48 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA11339 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 13:51:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k03IaUrY033861; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:36:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k03IaUGQ033860; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:36:30 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ipnet.kiev.ua (cielago.ip.net.ua [82.193.96.7]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k03IaSWv033853 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:36:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ni4@ukr.net) Received: from localhost (rocky.ip.net.ua [82.193.96.2]) by mail.ipnet.kiev.ua (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03IaRca093218 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:36:27 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ni4@ukr.net) Received: from mail.ipnet.kiev.ua ([82.193.96.7]) by localhost (rocky.ipnet [82.193.96.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 88304-01-4 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:36:24 +0200 (EET) Received: from INFERNAL (172.16.2.165.cl.ipnet.kiev.ua [172.16.2.165]) by mail.ipnet.kiev.ua (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03IWnAY092772 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:32:49 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ni4@ukr.net) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:29:52 +0200 From: "Nickolay L." X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.0.1.33) Professional Reply-To: "Nickolay L." X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <4410503648.20060103202952@ukr.net> To: OpenPGP Subject: Re[2]: String-to-key problem In-Reply-To: <20060103175143.8CCF657F5B@finney.org> References: <20060103175143.8CCF657F5B@finney.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ip.net.ua Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Hal, Thank you for your answer! HF> I'm surprised that PGP 9.0.3 would use this old format. This behavior HF> is deprecated in the new draft. 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C611DA.919A7780-- From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Jan 05 09:36:20 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuWE0-000183-MR for openpgp-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 09:36:20 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA21445 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:35:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05EDmYu006593; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 06:13:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k05EDmV8006592; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 06:13:48 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.links.org (mail.links.org [217.155.92.109]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05EDjYE006582 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 06:13:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ben@algroup.co.uk) Received: from [193.133.15.218] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.links.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CE9433C3F for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:13:44 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <43BD299C.90401@algroup.co.uk> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 14:13:48 +0000 From: Ben Laurie User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: OpenPGP Subject: Armour Rationale? X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If the rationale for allowing trailing whitespace in armoured text is that it may be added by MUAs or MTAs, then shouldn't armoured headers and trailers also allow trailing whitespace (yes, I have seen this in the wild!). Cheers, Ben. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ "There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit." - Robert Woodruff From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Jan 05 09:44:55 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuWMJ-0004av-25 for openpgp-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 09:44:55 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA22295 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:43:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05ESI1a009962; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 06:28:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k05ESI8d009961; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 06:28:18 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.links.org (mail.links.org [217.155.92.109]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05ESHdw009952 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 06:28:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ben@algroup.co.uk) Received: from [193.133.15.218] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.links.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6F833C40 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:28:16 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 14:28:20 +0000 From: Ben Laurie User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: OpenPGP Subject: Bad Armour Headers X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit draft 15 says: " The format of an Armor Header is that of a key-value pair. A colon (':' 0x38) and a single space (0x20) separate the key and value. OpenPGP should consider improperly formatted Armor Headers to be corruption of the ASCII Armor. " However, I see improperly formatted headers because of word wrapping. There doesn't appear to be a way to wrap a long line, so I must reject these as badly formatted (not that other implementations do, it seems). This seems less than optimal. Cheers, Ben. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ "There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit." - Robert Woodruff From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Jan 05 10:05:30 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuWgD-000358-ML for openpgp-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 10:05:30 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA24618 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:04:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05Ek581012636; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 06:46:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k05Ek5An012635; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 06:46:05 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05Ek4SE012629 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 06:46:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.60.132.70]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k05Ek2S10117 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:46:02 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k05Ek6X6026015 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:46:06 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05EjuLG024018 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:45:56 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k05EjucY024017 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:45:56 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:45:56 -0500 From: David Shaw To: OpenPGP Subject: Re: Armour Rationale? Message-ID: <20060105144556.GB23950@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: OpenPGP References: <43BD299C.90401@algroup.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43BD299C.90401@algroup.co.uk> OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 02:13:48PM +0000, Ben Laurie wrote: > > If the rationale for allowing trailing whitespace in armoured text is > that it may be added by MUAs or MTAs, then shouldn't armoured headers > and trailers also allow trailing whitespace (yes, I have seen this in > the wild!). I'd say yes, this should be allowed (and ignored). GPG actually has special code to deal with it: /* Some Windows environments seem to add whitespace to the end of the line, so we strip it here. This becomes strict if --rfc2440 is set since 2440 reads "The header lines, therefore, MUST start at the beginning of a line, and MUST NOT have text following them on the same line." It is unclear whether "text" refers to all text or just non-whitespace text. */ I'd be quite happy if the draft language was something like: The header lines, therefore, MUST start at the beginning of a line, and MUST NOT have non-whitespace text following them on the same line. (that is, define the text as "non-whitespace"). David From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Jan 05 10:25:56 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuX00-0000oh-Ng for openpgp-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 10:25:56 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA26297 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:24:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05F6auq015295; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 07:06:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k05F6aha015294; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 07:06:36 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05F6Z2e015284 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 07:06:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.60.132.70]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k05F6ZS10304 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:06:35 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k05F6dX6026127 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:06:39 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05F6TKv024060 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:06:29 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k05F6TtM024059 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:06:29 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:06:29 -0500 From: David Shaw To: OpenPGP Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers Message-ID: <20060105150629.GB24021@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: OpenPGP References: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 02:28:20PM +0000, Ben Laurie wrote: > > draft 15 says: > > " The format of an Armor Header is that of a key-value pair. A colon > (':' 0x38) and a single space (0x20) separate the key and value. > OpenPGP should consider improperly formatted Armor Headers to be > corruption of the ASCII Armor. " > > However, I see improperly formatted headers because of word wrapping. > There doesn't appear to be a way to wrap a long line, so I must reject > these as badly formatted (not that other implementations do, it seems). GPG rejects these as well. Word wrapping mangles clearsigned documents as well, of course, so it's more than just an armor header problem. I'm not sure what can be done about that except to tell people "don't corrupt the armor, please". David From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Jan 05 10:32:17 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuX69-0002kG-HE for openpgp-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 10:32:17 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA27083 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:31:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05FFipD016513; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 07:15:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k05FFiQW016512; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 07:15:44 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.epointsystem.org ([195.228.156.120]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05FFhTr016506 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 07:15:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nagydani@epointsystem.org) Received: by mail.epointsystem.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D80062B47A3; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:15:41 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:15:41 +0100 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers Message-ID: <20060105151541.GA12372@epointsystem.org> References: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i From: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 02:28:20PM +0000, Ben Laurie wrote: > > draft 15 says: > > " The format of an Armor Header is that of a key-value pair. A colon > (':' 0x38) and a single space (0x20) separate the key and value. > OpenPGP should consider improperly formatted Armor Headers to be > corruption of the ASCII Armor. " > > However, I see improperly formatted headers because of word wrapping. > There doesn't appear to be a way to wrap a long line, so I must reject > these as badly formatted (not that other implementations do, it seems). > > This seems less than optimal. Armor headers are very similar to MIME headers. In MIME, the solution is that non-empty lines are appended to the previous line, if they begin with a whitespace. This transformation can be used in OpenPGP too. In order to prevent arbitrary wraps, the length of actual lines should be maximized in 64 characters, with longer lines broken in the above described fashion (with a whitespace in the beginnig of the trailing part). -- Daniel From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Jan 05 11:20:14 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuXqY-0002hJ-Dz for openpgp-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 11:20:14 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA04018 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:18:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05G49CD023020; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:04:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k05G49aD023019; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:04:09 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.links.org (mail.links.org [217.155.92.109]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05G48HA023013 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:04:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ben@algroup.co.uk) Received: from [193.133.15.218] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.links.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF65433C44; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:04:07 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <43BD437B.9080705@algroup.co.uk> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:04:11 +0000 From: Ben Laurie User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel A. Nagy" CC: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers References: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> <20060105151541.GA12372@epointsystem.org> In-Reply-To: <20060105151541.GA12372@epointsystem.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel A. Nagy wrote: > On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 02:28:20PM +0000, Ben Laurie wrote: >> draft 15 says: >> >> " The format of an Armor Header is that of a key-value pair. A colon >> (':' 0x38) and a single space (0x20) separate the key and value. >> OpenPGP should consider improperly formatted Armor Headers to be >> corruption of the ASCII Armor. " >> >> However, I see improperly formatted headers because of word wrapping. >> There doesn't appear to be a way to wrap a long line, so I must reject >> these as badly formatted (not that other implementations do, it seems). >> >> This seems less than optimal. > > Armor headers are very similar to MIME headers. In MIME, the solution is > that non-empty lines are appended to the previous line, if they begin with a > whitespace. This transformation can be used in OpenPGP too. In order to > prevent arbitrary wraps, the length of actual lines should be maximized in > 64 characters, with longer lines broken in the above described fashion (with > a whitespace in the beginnig of the trailing part). I would support this modification. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ "There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit." - Robert Woodruff From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Jan 05 11:22:25 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuXsf-0003B8-7w for openpgp-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 11:22:25 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA04349 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:21:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05G2xPp022893; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:02:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k05G2xBr022892; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:02:59 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from kerckhoffs.g10code.com (kerckhoffs.g10code.com [217.69.77.222]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05G2u0v022869 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:02:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wk@gnupg.org) Received: from uucp by kerckhoffs.g10code.com with local-rmail (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1EuXgA-0007tF-GI for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:09:30 +0100 Received: from wk by localhost with local (Exim 4.34 #1 (Debian)) id 1EuXSp-0002D2-9L; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:55:43 +0100 From: Werner Koch To: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers References: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> <20060105151541.GA12372@epointsystem.org> Organisation: g10 Code GmbH OpenPGP: id=5B0358A2; url=finger:wk@g10code.com Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:55:43 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20060105151541.GA12372@epointsystem.org> (Daniel A. Nagy's message of "Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:15:41 +0100") Message-ID: <87zmmafz40.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/21.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:15:41 +0100, Daniel A Nagy said: > whitespace. This transformation can be used in OpenPGP too. In order to > prevent arbitrary wraps, the length of actual lines should be maximized in > 64 characters, with longer lines broken in the above described fashion (with > a whitespace in the beginnig of the trailing part). This could be used to attack a message in this way: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Comment: Created by SEOpenPGP _ _The account to transfer the money to is _ 123455667 at Phishers Bank Inc., Caiman Islands _ _ _Regards, _ Robert T. Offline _ _-- _This message is integrity protected. Make sure that _the popup window or status line showed that the _signature is good. _ _ _ [More pseudo blank lines to scroll stuff away] The account to transfer the money to is 47110815 at Eco Bank, Frankfurt Regards, Robert T. Offline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- [...] By replacing the underscore with an invisible character this is close to perfect but even with an underscore or an "> ", many users will assume that the "Comment" line is just one line and the rest is actually the signed message. Shalom-Salam, Werner From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Jan 05 11:24:02 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuXuE-0003RO-If for openpgp-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 11:24:02 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA04479 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:22:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05G3P2T022936; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:03:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k05G3PUR022934; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:03:25 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.links.org (mail.links.org [217.155.92.109]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05G3OWZ022928 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:03:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ben@algroup.co.uk) Received: from [193.133.15.218] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.links.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE3C733C45 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:03:23 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <43BD434F.5010407@algroup.co.uk> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:03:27 +0000 From: Ben Laurie User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: OpenPGP Subject: Re: Armour Rationale? References: <43BD299C.90401@algroup.co.uk> <20060105144556.GB23950@jabberwocky.com> In-Reply-To: <20060105144556.GB23950@jabberwocky.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Shaw wrote: > On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 02:13:48PM +0000, Ben Laurie wrote: >> If the rationale for allowing trailing whitespace in armoured text is >> that it may be added by MUAs or MTAs, then shouldn't armoured headers >> and trailers also allow trailing whitespace (yes, I have seen this in >> the wild!). > > I'd say yes, this should be allowed (and ignored). GPG actually has > special code to deal with it: > > /* Some Windows environments seem to add whitespace to the end of > the line, so we strip it here. This becomes strict if > --rfc2440 is set since 2440 reads "The header lines, therefore, > MUST start at the beginning of a line, and MUST NOT have text > following them on the same line." It is unclear whether "text" > refers to all text or just non-whitespace text. */ > > I'd be quite happy if the draft language was something like: > > The header lines, therefore, MUST start at the beginning of a > line, and MUST NOT have non-whitespace text following them on > the same line. > > (that is, define the text as "non-whitespace"). Agreed. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ "There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit." - Robert Woodruff From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Jan 05 11:40:34 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuYAE-0007uz-2t for openpgp-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 11:40:34 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA06369 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:39:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05GOWpo026010; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:24:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k05GOWlj026009; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:24:32 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05GOVPr026000 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:24:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.60.132.70]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k05GORS10875 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:24:27 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k05GOWX6026440 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:24:32 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05GOLhM024134 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:24:21 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k05GOLph024133 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:24:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:24:21 -0500 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers Message-ID: <20060105162421.GC24021@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> <20060105151541.GA12372@epointsystem.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060105151541.GA12372@epointsystem.org> OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 04:15:41PM +0100, Daniel A. Nagy wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 02:28:20PM +0000, Ben Laurie wrote: > > > > draft 15 says: > > > > " The format of an Armor Header is that of a key-value pair. A colon > > (':' 0x38) and a single space (0x20) separate the key and value. > > OpenPGP should consider improperly formatted Armor Headers to be > > corruption of the ASCII Armor. " > > > > However, I see improperly formatted headers because of word wrapping. > > There doesn't appear to be a way to wrap a long line, so I must reject > > these as badly formatted (not that other implementations do, it seems). > > > > This seems less than optimal. > > Armor headers are very similar to MIME headers. In MIME, the solution is > that non-empty lines are appended to the previous line, if they begin with a > whitespace. This transformation can be used in OpenPGP too. In order to > prevent arbitrary wraps, the length of actual lines should be maximized in > 64 characters, with longer lines broken in the above described fashion (with > a whitespace in the beginnig of the trailing part). This would give a valid encoding for long header lines, but does not fix the problem at hand. Word wrapping would still result in broken armor as word wrapping wouldn't know to put whitespace before the lines it reformats. I don't think this is something that OpenPGP should try to fix, beyond perhaps an interoperability note to be careful of line lengths. David From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Jan 05 12:13:33 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuYg8-000673-Ns for openpgp-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:13:33 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA11740 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:12:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05GsV75031623; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:54:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k05GsVeC031622; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:54:31 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mailgate.enhyper.net ([80.168.109.121]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05GsUhx031614 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:54:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from iang@systemics.com) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgate.enhyper.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71E1C5E3E5; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:54:29 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <43BD4F22.9090806@systemics.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:53:54 +0000 From: Ian G Organization: http://financialcryptography.com/ User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050921) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ben Laurie Cc: OpenPGP Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers References: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ben Laurie wrote: > draft 15 says: > > " The format of an Armor Header is that of a key-value pair. A colon > (':' 0x38) and a single space (0x20) separate the key and value. > OpenPGP should consider improperly formatted Armor Headers to be > corruption of the ASCII Armor. " > > However, I see improperly formatted headers because of word wrapping. > There doesn't appear to be a way to wrap a long line, so I must reject > these as badly formatted (not that other implementations do, it seems). > > This seems less than optimal. It is, but the doc is silent on that issue. I spotted this issue a year or two ago and brought it up. At the time, I had suggested that the doc say "Armor Headers SHOULD be no more than the length of the asciiarmor." But there wasn't much enthusiasm for that at the time. And implementations seem to like long lines, so I imagine the nuisance isn't going away. It's just another limitation of the clearsigned text format; don't use long lines if you value the sig. iang From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Jan 05 12:11:04 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuYdk-0004tw-E6 for openpgp-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:11:04 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA11492 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:09:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05GqgIO031254; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:52:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k05Gqg5d031253; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:52:42 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.epointsystem.org ([195.228.156.120]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05GqfBq031245 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:52:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nagydani@epointsystem.org) Received: by mail.epointsystem.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 70D3C2B47A3; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:52:40 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:52:40 +0100 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers Message-ID: <20060105165240.GA19354@epointsystem.org> References: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> <20060105151541.GA12372@epointsystem.org> <20060105162421.GC24021@jabberwocky.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060105162421.GC24021@jabberwocky.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i From: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: I wrote: > > In order to > > prevent arbitrary wraps, the length of actual lines should be maximized in > > 64 characters You wrote: > This would give a valid encoding for long header lines, but does not > fix the problem at hand. Word wrapping would still result in broken > armor as word wrapping wouldn't know to put whitespace before the > lines it reformats. There would be no word wrapping, if everything I propose becomes standard. The concern of Werner is more of an issue, though. I will address it in a separate posting. -- Daniel From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Jan 05 12:43:03 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuZ8h-00010J-90 for openpgp-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:43:03 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA15886 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:41:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05HLJEr035604; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:21:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k05HLJRm035603; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:21:19 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.links.org (mail.links.org [217.155.92.109]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05HLIHd035597 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:21:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ben@algroup.co.uk) Received: from [193.133.15.218] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.links.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1F9B33C40 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:21:17 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <43BD5591.9010408@algroup.co.uk> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:21:21 +0000 From: Ben Laurie User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers References: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> <20060105151541.GA12372@epointsystem.org> <20060105162421.GC24021@jabberwocky.com> In-Reply-To: <20060105162421.GC24021@jabberwocky.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Shaw wrote: > On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 04:15:41PM +0100, Daniel A. Nagy wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 02:28:20PM +0000, Ben Laurie wrote: >>> draft 15 says: >>> >>> " The format of an Armor Header is that of a key-value pair. A colon >>> (':' 0x38) and a single space (0x20) separate the key and value. >>> OpenPGP should consider improperly formatted Armor Headers to be >>> corruption of the ASCII Armor. " >>> >>> However, I see improperly formatted headers because of word wrapping. >>> There doesn't appear to be a way to wrap a long line, so I must reject >>> these as badly formatted (not that other implementations do, it seems). >>> >>> This seems less than optimal. >> Armor headers are very similar to MIME headers. In MIME, the solution is >> that non-empty lines are appended to the previous line, if they begin with a >> whitespace. This transformation can be used in OpenPGP too. In order to >> prevent arbitrary wraps, the length of actual lines should be maximized in >> 64 characters, with longer lines broken in the above described fashion (with >> a whitespace in the beginnig of the trailing part). > > This would give a valid encoding for long header lines, but does not > fix the problem at hand. Word wrapping would still result in broken > armor as word wrapping wouldn't know to put whitespace before the > lines it reformats. Word wrapping would not occur because the lines would be short enough to avoid it. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ "There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit." - Robert Woodruff From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Jan 05 13:13:28 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuZc8-0005gn-9f for openpgp-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 13:13:28 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA21225 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:12:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05HrUjC040025; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:53:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k05HrUhN040024; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:53:30 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05HrUg0040018 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:53:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.60.132.70]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k05HrTS11579 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:53:29 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k05HrYX6026767 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:53:34 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05HrNlf024223 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:53:23 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k05HrNJu024222 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:53:23 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:53:23 -0500 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers Message-ID: <20060105175323.GD24021@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> <20060105151541.GA12372@epointsystem.org> <20060105162421.GC24021@jabberwocky.com> <43BD5591.9010408@algroup.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43BD5591.9010408@algroup.co.uk> OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 05:21:21PM +0000, Ben Laurie wrote: > > David Shaw wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 04:15:41PM +0100, Daniel A. Nagy wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 02:28:20PM +0000, Ben Laurie wrote: > >>> draft 15 says: > >>> > >>> " The format of an Armor Header is that of a key-value pair. A colon > >>> (':' 0x38) and a single space (0x20) separate the key and value. > >>> OpenPGP should consider improperly formatted Armor Headers to be > >>> corruption of the ASCII Armor. " > >>> > >>> However, I see improperly formatted headers because of word wrapping. > >>> There doesn't appear to be a way to wrap a long line, so I must reject > >>> these as badly formatted (not that other implementations do, it seems). > >>> > >>> This seems less than optimal. > >> Armor headers are very similar to MIME headers. In MIME, the solution is > >> that non-empty lines are appended to the previous line, if they begin with a > >> whitespace. This transformation can be used in OpenPGP too. In order to > >> prevent arbitrary wraps, the length of actual lines should be maximized in > >> 64 characters, with longer lines broken in the above described fashion (with > >> a whitespace in the beginnig of the trailing part). > > > > This would give a valid encoding for long header lines, but does not > > fix the problem at hand. Word wrapping would still result in broken > > armor as word wrapping wouldn't know to put whitespace before the > > lines it reformats. > > Word wrapping would not occur because the lines would be short enough to > avoid it. No, this would still happen if the implementation generated lines that were too long. Since the OpenPGP generally has no idea where the editor is going to wrap, it is difficult for the implementation to get this right. Incidentally, I believe this is legal now: Comment: this is the first part of my comment Comment: this is the second part of my comment I'd recommend that over a new encoding for line-wrapped armor headers that will have to be added to all the existing armor parsers. David From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Jan 05 13:23:49 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuZm8-0000Ca-TW for openpgp-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 13:23:48 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA22793 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:22:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05I23hb041640; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:02:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k05I23NO041639; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:02:03 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05I22lC041633 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:02:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.60.132.70]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k05I21S11683 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:02:01 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k05I26X6026790 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:02:06 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05I1t1g024241 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:01:55 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k05I1tD1024240 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:01:55 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:01:55 -0500 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers Message-ID: <20060105180155.GE24021@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> <20060105151541.GA12372@epointsystem.org> <20060105162421.GC24021@jabberwocky.com> <20060105165240.GA19354@epointsystem.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060105165240.GA19354@epointsystem.org> OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 05:52:40PM +0100, Daniel A. Nagy wrote: > > I wrote: > > > > In order to > > > prevent arbitrary wraps, the length of actual lines should be maximized in > > > 64 characters > > You wrote: > > > This would give a valid encoding for long header lines, but does not > > fix the problem at hand. Word wrapping would still result in broken > > armor as word wrapping wouldn't know to put whitespace before the > > lines it reformats. > > There would be no word wrapping, if everything I propose becomes standard. In common usage, a user creating an armored message (or clearsigned message which has the same problem) uses an OpenPGP program and some editor. These two programs do not communicate, so I do not see how the OpenPGP program can know where to fold the lines to prevent the editor from coming along and wrapping. Whatever (reasonable) magic number is used as the maximum number of columns, I am confident there is a word wrap setting that will clobber it. This problem basically exists in the "Comment" and "Version" header lines. Both are essentially comments, are optional, and carry nothing vital to OpenPGP. Rather than invent a whole new encoding for long lines, that involves modifying many deployed parsers for the benefit of having longer comments, why not just add a warning to the draft that says in effect "long comments may break you - be careful". David From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Jan 05 14:03:31 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuaOZ-0008Mv-IL for openpgp-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 14:03:31 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA27737 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:02:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05IjVJk046964; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:45:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k05IjV5o046963; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:45:31 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp3.hushmail.com (smtp3.hushmail.com [65.39.178.135]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05IjV4Q046956 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:45:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vedaal@hush.com) Received: from smtp3.hushmail.com (localhost.hushmail.com [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.hushmail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8197AA32C6 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:45:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailserver2.hushmail.com (mailserver2.hushmail.com [65.39.178.21]) by smtp3.hushmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:45:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailserver2.hushmail.com (localhost.hushmail.com [127.0.0.1]) by mailserver2.hushmail.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id k05IjSZD073738 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:45:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vedaal@hush.com) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by mailserver2.hushmail.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id k05IjRrb073737 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:45:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200601051845.k05IjRrb073737@mailserver2.hushmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:45:24 -0800 To: Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers From: Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 10:01:55 -0800 David Shaw wrote: >Whatever (reasonable) magic number is used as the maximum number of >columns, I am confident there is a word wrap setting that will clobber >it. but, as Ian pointed out, if the maximum number of columns is limited to the minimum number of columns in an armored message (i.e., 64 characters) then any 'wrap' that accepts the message block, would have no problems with the comment or version lines, >This problem basically exists in the "Comment" and "Version" >header lines. so a helpful fix would be to suggest a 'SHOULD' that the comment and version lines not exceed 64 characters vedaal Concerned about your privacy? Instantly send FREE secure email, no account required http://www.hushmail.com/send?l=480 Get the best prices on SSL certificates from Hushmail https://www.hushssl.com?l=485 From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Jan 05 14:22:51 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EuahH-0002SJ-Gp for openpgp-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 14:22:51 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA00382 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:21:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05J6E1D049680; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:06:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k05J6Ede049679; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:06:14 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05J6Drx049669 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:06:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.60.132.70]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k05J6CS12179 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:06:12 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k05J6HX6027049 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:06:17 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05J66bw024304 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:06:06 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k05J66A3024303 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:06:06 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:06:06 -0500 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers Message-ID: <20060105190606.GF24021@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: <200601051845.k05IjRrb073737@mailserver2.hushmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200601051845.k05IjRrb073737@mailserver2.hushmail.com> OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 10:45:24AM -0800, vedaal@hush.com wrote: > > On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 10:01:55 -0800 David Shaw > wrote: > > >Whatever (reasonable) magic number is used as the maximum number > of > >columns, I am confident there is a word wrap setting that will > clobber >it. > > but, as Ian pointed out, if the maximum number of columns is > limited to the minimum number of columns in an armored message > (i.e., 64 characters) > then any 'wrap' that accepts the message block, would have no > problems > with the comment or version lines, That is not true. Armor does not allow spaces, so it's essentially a 64 character long "word". Most editors only break on spaces. They won't break words to wrap them. David From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Jan 05 14:24:22 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Euaij-0002oB-Ku for openpgp-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 14:24:22 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA00507 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:23:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05J2Vv0049336; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:02:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k05J2V4s049335; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:02:31 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mailgate.enhyper.net ([80.168.109.121]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05J2V0w049327 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:02:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from iang@systemics.com) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgate.enhyper.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A73235E3F4; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:02:24 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <43BD6D1D.1020407@systemics.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 19:01:49 +0000 From: Ian G Organization: http://financialcryptography.com/ User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050921) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ben Laurie Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers References: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> <20060105151541.GA12372@epointsystem.org> <20060105162421.GC24021@jabberwocky.com> <43BD5591.9010408@algroup.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <43BD5591.9010408@algroup.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ben Laurie wrote: > Word wrapping would not occur because the lines would be short enough to > avoid it. Word wrapping can occur at any length. I've seen it at 50 chars or so, which was pretty extreme. The reason I say that the header lines SHOULD BE NO LONGER than the ascii-armor is because if the wordwrap / slice limit is less than the ascii-armor, then we're sunk anyway. Although I suppose it is possible to strike a wordwrap but not slice artifact. David Shaw wrote: > Incidentally, I believe this is legal now: > > Comment: this is the first part of my comment > Comment: this is the second part of my comment > > I'd recommend that over a new encoding for line-wrapped armor headers > that will have to be added to all the existing armor parsers. Definately. I don't see any need to change the format of the comments to solve this problem, it seems to be thrashing a dead horse. iang From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Jan 05 20:13:04 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EugAC-00060n-9x for openpgp-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 20:13:04 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA20251 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:11:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k060ocVE012846; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:50:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k060ocRQ012845; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:50:38 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from colon.colondot.net (IDENT:YybvF9xqSTFwP4uK+7BBNkbFqu8nyjbq@colon.colondot.net [193.201.200.70]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k060obcd012839 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:50:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from openpgp@lists.colondot.net) Received: from mbm by colon.colondot.net with local (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1EufoS-0004sv-A4 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 00:50:36 +0000 Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 00:50:36 +0000 From: Matthew Byng-Maddick To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers Message-ID: <20060106005036.GH63110@colon.colondot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: Colondot.net Mail-Copies-To: never Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: [This may get through twice - I sent it from the wrong address earlier] On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 04:55:43PM +0100, Werner Koch wrote: > On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:15:41 +0100, Daniel A Nagy said: [>> long header lines, wrapped (2)822-style] [> attack based on message in the header-lines] > By replacing the underscore with an invisible character this is close > to perfect but even with an underscore or an "> ", many users will > assume that the "Comment" line is just one line and the rest is > actually the signed message. If you use gpg --decrypt on such a message, then it will output the signed text, which of course is not in the header. In my mailer (mutt) it recognises the signed text as such and wraps (and displays) that. I feel that anyone looking at the original source of even ASCII-armoured mail rather than checking the signature for anything of that kind of importance might well deserve what they get. (Obviously, Werner, I appreciate that you know what GnuPG does in this situation, but I wanted to make the point that using the output of what the openpgp transformation does when it reads the ascii armoured text. It seems almost sensible that there SHOULD be a way of outputting this in normal context, but we're in last call, and I don't think it's appropriate to start adding wording.) Cheers MBM -- Matthew Byng-Maddick http://colondot.net/ (Please use this address to reply) From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Fri Jan 06 04:45:24 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Euo9z-0004pT-SY for openpgp-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 04:45:24 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA19199 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 04:44:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k069Rxh0080083; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 01:27:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k069RxxM080082; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 01:27:59 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from kerckhoffs.g10code.com (kerckhoffs.g10code.com [217.69.77.222]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k069Rwfh080076 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 01:27:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wk@gnupg.org) Received: from uucp by kerckhoffs.g10code.com with local-rmail (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1EunzT-0007nO-H5 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:34:31 +0100 Received: from wk by localhost with local (Exim 4.34 #1 (Debian)) id 1Eunny-0004jy-Ai for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:22:38 +0100 From: Werner Koch To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers References: <20060106005036.GH63110@colon.colondot.net> Organisation: g10 Code GmbH OpenPGP: id=5B0358A2; url=finger:wk@g10code.com Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:22:38 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20060106005036.GH63110@colon.colondot.net> (Matthew Byng-Maddick's message of "Fri, 6 Jan 2006 00:50:36 +0000") Message-ID: <873bk1g17l.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/21.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 00:50:36 +0000, Matthew Byng-Maddick said: > signed text, which of course is not in the header. In my mailer (mutt) > it recognises the signed text as such and wraps (and displays) that. I I know that given that as I heavily hacked on mutt's crypto code. However mutt is not ust by the average user and mutt's users usually use PGP/MIME where such a problem does not exist. We talked about editors or MUAs with a bad line wrap behavior; that is that these MUAs are not OpenPGP aware and many users are using the clipboard to cut and paste signatures. > text. It seems almost sensible that there SHOULD be a way of outputting > this in normal context, but we're in last call, and I don't think it's > appropriate to start adding wording.) Agreed Salam-Shalom, Werner From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Fri Jan 06 06:34:57 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eups1-0000qQ-DC for openpgp-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 06:34:57 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA25213 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 06:33:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k06BO5UE095352; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 03:24:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k06BO5Fl095351; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 03:24:05 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.epointsystem.org (120.156-228-195.hosting.adatpark.hu [195.228.156.120]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k06BO4OK095345 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 03:24:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nagydani@epointsystem.org) Received: by mail.epointsystem.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 323392B47C9; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:24:03 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:24:03 +0100 To: Werner Koch , ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers Message-ID: <20060106112403.GA29292@epointsystem.org> References: <20060106005036.GH63110@colon.colondot.net> <873bk1g17l.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <873bk1g17l.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i From: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 10:22:38AM +0100, Werner Koch wrote: > I know that given that as I heavily hacked on mutt's crypto code. > However mutt is not ust by the average user and mutt's users usually > use PGP/MIME where such a problem does not exist. > > We talked about editors or MUAs with a bad line wrap behavior; that is > that these MUAs are not OpenPGP aware and many users are using the > clipboard to cut and paste signatures. Really? Are there more cut&paste'ers than mutt users? Not that I don't believe you, but it would be nice to know how to estimate UI preferences. Actually, my java applet OpenPGP client (which relies on cut&paste for input) also removes the headers from verified clearsigned documents. -- Daniel From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Fri Jan 06 08:02:38 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EurEs-0006Hp-5k for openpgp-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:02:38 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA29671 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:01:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k06ClM9T005041; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 04:47:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k06ClM6U005040; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 04:47:22 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.links.org (mail.links.org [217.155.92.109]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k06ClLEu005033 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 04:47:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ben@algroup.co.uk) Received: from [193.133.15.218] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.links.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C93733C1C for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:47:20 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <43BE66DD.30109@algroup.co.uk> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 12:47:25 +0000 From: Ben Laurie User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers References: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> <20060105151541.GA12372@epointsystem.org> <20060105162421.GC24021@jabberwocky.com> <43BD5591.9010408@algroup.co.uk> <20060105175323.GD24021@jabberwocky.com> In-Reply-To: <20060105175323.GD24021@jabberwocky.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Shaw wrote: > Incidentally, I believe this is legal now: > > Comment: this is the first part of my comment > Comment: this is the second part of my comment > > I'd recommend that over a new encoding for line-wrapped armor headers > that will have to be added to all the existing armor parsers. Good idea. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ "There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit." - Robert Woodruff From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Fri Jan 06 08:57:52 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Eus6K-0000V7-0d for openpgp-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:57:52 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA02720 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:56:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k06DHvAN008924; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 05:17:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k06DHvlb008923; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 05:17:57 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from kerckhoffs.g10code.com (kerckhoffs.g10code.com [217.69.77.222]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k06DHuMN008909 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 05:17:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wk@gnupg.org) Received: from uucp by kerckhoffs.g10code.com with local-rmail (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1Eura2-0004aV-DY for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:24:30 +0100 Received: from wk by localhost with local (Exim 4.34 #1 (Debian)) id 1EurOs-0004wL-1H; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:12:58 +0100 From: Werner Koch To: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers References: <20060106005036.GH63110@colon.colondot.net> <873bk1g17l.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> <20060106112403.GA29292@epointsystem.org> Organisation: g10 Code GmbH OpenPGP: id=5B0358A2; url=finger:wk@g10code.com Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:12:58 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20060106112403.GA29292@epointsystem.org> (Daniel A. Nagy's message of "Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:24:03 +0100") Message-ID: <871wzlebz9.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/21.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:24:03 +0100, Daniel A Nagy said: > Really? Are there more cut&paste'ers than mutt users? Not that I don't > believe you, but it would be nice to know how to estimate UI preferences. Even for Unix systems mutt is by far not the major MUA. Kmail, Evolution and Mozilla are used more often. AFAIK, Windows users often use cut+paste to encrypt or sign messages. > Actually, my java applet OpenPGP client (which relies on cut&paste for > input) also removes the headers from verified clearsigned documents. Frankly, I believe that all headers except for Hash are not very useful. People are often bemused if you tell them that they should use sed to fix or add armor header lines. I am pretty sure many of them believe that the armor header lines are part of the signed text which does not wonder me because a line just above says "begin pgp signed message" and not "pgp signed messages begins after the next blank line". 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----=7654-mazc-5083-tces-- From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Fri Jan 06 16:21:44 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Euz1s-0003eU-0R for openpgp-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:21:44 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA12640 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:20:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k06L5ka3090009; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:05:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k06L5kS1090008; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:05:46 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.epointsystem.org (120.156-228-195.hosting.adatpark.hu [195.228.156.120]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k06L5j6Z089993 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:05:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nagydani@epointsystem.org) Received: by mail.epointsystem.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 347E32B47A5; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 22:05:41 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 22:05:41 +0100 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers Message-ID: <20060106210541.GA2734@epointsystem.org> References: <20060106005036.GH63110@colon.colondot.net> <873bk1g17l.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> <20060106112403.GA29292@epointsystem.org> <871wzlebz9.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <871wzlebz9.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i From: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 02:12:58PM +0100, Werner Koch wrote: > Frankly, I believe that all headers except for Hash are not very > useful. People are often bemused if you tell them that they should > use sed to fix or add armor header lines. I am pretty sure many of > them believe that the armor header lines are part of the signed text > which does not wonder me because a line just above says "begin pgp > signed message" and not "pgp signed messages begins after the next > blank line". That is precisely why I think that headers should not be displayed when reporting on successful verification, but that's just a "best practice" and has little bearing on the standard. Otherwise, I agree with you that cleartext signed messages are least ambiguous with just Hash headers and nothing else before the clearsigned content. Maybe, we should consider disallowing everything else? After all, version information and other stuff can go to the armor header of the signature. Placing headers before the actual clearsigned content is confusing, indeed. I don't think that many implementations use this "feature", so by disallowing it, we might not break anythink. What do you think? -- Daniel From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Fri Jan 06 17:01:54 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Euzek-0005h5-SU for openpgp-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:01:54 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA15457 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 17:00:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k06Lh2MV093816; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:43:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k06Lh2nC093815; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:43:02 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k06Lh1I2093807 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:43:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.60.132.70]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k06LgxS28916 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:42:59 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k06LguX6001478 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:42:56 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06LgrBv030631 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:42:53 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k06Lgr6o030630 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:42:53 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:42:53 -0500 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers Message-ID: <20060106214253.GA30506@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: <20060106005036.GH63110@colon.colondot.net> <873bk1g17l.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> <20060106112403.GA29292@epointsystem.org> <871wzlebz9.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> <20060106210541.GA2734@epointsystem.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060106210541.GA2734@epointsystem.org> OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 10:05:41PM +0100, Daniel A. Nagy wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 02:12:58PM +0100, Werner Koch wrote: > > > Frankly, I believe that all headers except for Hash are not very > > useful. People are often bemused if you tell them that they should > > use sed to fix or add armor header lines. I am pretty sure many of > > them believe that the armor header lines are part of the signed text > > which does not wonder me because a line just above says "begin pgp > > signed message" and not "pgp signed messages begins after the next > > blank line". > > That is precisely why I think that headers should not be displayed when > reporting on successful verification, but that's just a "best practice" and > has little bearing on the standard. > > Otherwise, I agree with you that cleartext signed messages are least > ambiguous with just Hash headers and nothing else before the clearsigned > content. Maybe, we should consider disallowing everything else? After all, > version information and other stuff can go to the armor header of the > signature. Placing headers before the actual clearsigned content is > confusing, indeed. I don't think that many implementations use this > "feature", so by disallowing it, we might not break anythink. What do you > think? I think it is already done this way. Section 7 says: The cleartext signed message consists of: - The cleartext header '-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----' on a single line, - One or more "Hash" Armor Headers, - Exactly one empty line not included into the message digest, - The dash-escaped cleartext that is included into the message digest, - The ASCII armored signature(s) including the '-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----' Armor Header and Armor Tail Lines. Seems fairly clear that the only header that should go before the text is "Hash". Comment and/or Version would need to go in the BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE/END PGP SIGNATURE block at the end of the document. Does any implementation actually generate Comment and/or Version headers before the clearsigned text (rather than in the armored signature at the end of the clearsigned text) ? David From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Fri Jan 06 19:25:31 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ev1tj-0005ep-0p for openpgp-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 19:25:31 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA28230 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 19:24:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k070Ao0S016639; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:10:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k070Aoco016638; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:10:50 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [63.73.97.162]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k070AnX6016632 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:10:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jon@callas.org) Received: from keys.merrymeet.com (63.73.97.166) by merrymeet.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server X 3.2.7) for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:10:47 -0800 Received: from [63.251.255.205] ([63.251.255.205]) by keys.merrymeet.com (PGP Universal service); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:10:47 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.merrymeet.com on Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:10:47 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> References: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0BEE2962-16FF-43EC-BFD5-9EAB8E189F98@callas.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jon Callas Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:10:46 -0800 To: OpenPGP X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 5 Jan 2006, at 6:28 AM, Ben Laurie wrote: > > draft 15 says: > > " The format of an Armor Header is that of a key-value pair. A > colon > (':' 0x38) and a single space (0x20) separate the key and value. > OpenPGP should consider improperly formatted Armor Headers to be > corruption of the ASCII Armor. " > > However, I see improperly formatted headers because of word wrapping. > There doesn't appear to be a way to wrap a long line, so I must reject > these as badly formatted (not that other implementations do, it > seems). > > This seems less than optimal. > I'm going to weasel here, as well as lawyer. It says "should." It even says it in lowercase, not SHOULD. That means that as long as you understand the ramifications of what you're doing (like the case Werner brings up), you can do what you want. I've always thought it would be useful to have some software that was a wrapper around core OpenPGP things that would verify a signature with some heuristics that could undo obvious breakage like wrapping bizarreness, formatting braindamage like quoted-printable on printable characters, and so on. Jon From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Fri Jan 06 19:27:42 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ev1vq-0006Pc-7b for openpgp-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 19:27:42 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA28328 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 19:26:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k070EYH8016846; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:14:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k070EYQs016845; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:14:34 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [63.73.97.162]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k070EYlC016839 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:14:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jon@callas.org) Received: from keys.merrymeet.com (63.73.97.166) by merrymeet.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server X 3.2.7) for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:14:31 -0800 Received: from [63.251.255.205] ([63.251.255.205]) by keys.merrymeet.com (PGP Universal service); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:14:31 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.merrymeet.com on Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:14:31 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060105175323.GD24021@jabberwocky.com> References: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> <20060105151541.GA12372@epointsystem.org> <20060105162421.GC24021@jabberwocky.com> <43BD5591.9010408@algroup.co.uk> <20060105175323.GD24021@jabberwocky.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jon Callas Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:14:30 -0800 To: OpenPGP X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 5 Jan 2006, at 9:53 AM, David Shaw wrote: > Incidentally, I believe this is legal now: > > Comment: this is the first part of my comment > Comment: this is the second part of my comment > > I'd recommend that over a new encoding for line-wrapped armor headers > that will have to be added to all the existing armor parsers. I also think this is legal, and a fine idea. Echoing Werner and others, the Comment: header is really just a bumper sticker. 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Armor does not allow spaces, so it's essentially a > 64 character long "word". Most editors only break on spaces. They > won't break words to wrap them. The operative word there is 'most'. In email for example, URLs that go over the length limit are often sliced, hence some people send "tiny" URLs. Also, there is another artifact. Even if the transporting app doesn't slice your armour lines in half, it may insert extra lines or spaces as if it was slicing it in half. Which brings me to another point: Whatever slicing it does, if it *only* inserts whitespace, what you can then do is strip out *all* whitespace and you are left with pure armour. It's possible to parse that as a single block, as the original line length is not part of the armour itself. However, this strategy is only possible if you can easily identify the start and end of the armour. Which means we have to be quite clear about how the BEGIN, END and Comments: sections are organised. The less flexibility the better there - I'd not be keen on any multiline MIME-style overflow. Just some thoughts. iang From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Sat Jan 07 15:55:14 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EvL5m-0008GK-KW for openpgp-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:55:14 -0500 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA04255 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:53:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k07Kcawa023364; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:38:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k07KcaFM023363; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:38:36 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k07KcZYI023357 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:38:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.60.132.70]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k07KcXS10736 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:38:33 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k07KcUX6006052 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:38:30 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07KcTOH005530 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:38:29 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k07KcTXZ005529 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:38:29 -0500 Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:38:29 -0500 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers Message-ID: <20060107203829.GB5067@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: <200601051845.k05IjRrb073737@mailserver2.hushmail.com> <20060105190606.GF24021@jabberwocky.com> <43BFCD63.3020607@systemics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43BFCD63.3020607@systemics.com> OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Sat, Jan 07, 2006 at 02:17:07PM +0000, Ian G wrote: > David Shaw wrote: > ... > >>but, as Ian pointed out, if the maximum number of columns is > >>limited to the minimum number of columns in an armored message > >>(i.e., 64 characters) > >>then any 'wrap' that accepts the message block, would have no > >>problems > >>with the comment or version lines, > > > > > >That is not true. Armor does not allow spaces, so it's essentially a > >64 character long "word". Most editors only break on spaces. They > >won't break words to wrap them. > > The operative word there is 'most'. In email > for example, URLs that go over the length limit > are often sliced, hence some people send "tiny" > URLs. > > Also, there is another artifact. Even if the > transporting app doesn't slice your armour lines > in half, it may insert extra lines or spaces as > if it was slicing it in half. But again, it "may" also insert free-email ads in the middle or pdf-ize the whole thing, or helpfully reformat into one long line. Who is to say it can't? So yes, "most" is indeed the operative word. If a new form of corruption doesn't reach the most level, then this is a treadmill I'm very reluctant to get on. For every potential brokenness we conjecture and accomodate for, there will be some new form of mangling that comes along. 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Forming ASCII Armor has a sentence that reads: The header lines, therefore, MUST start at the beginning of a line, and MUST NOT have text following them on the same line. Suggest to change it to: The header lines, therefore, MUST start at the beginning of a line, and MUST NOT have text other than whitespace following them on the same line. (i.e. add "other than whitespace") Ben Laurie pointed out the rationale that since the point of ignoring trailing whitespace in armored and clearsigned messages was to work around transport systems like mail that may add whitespace, then it is necessary to ignore whitespace on the header lines as well. ******* This other change I do not feel particularly strongly about. It may overspecify something that doesn't need it. In section 6.2. Forming ASCII Armor, add something to the effect of: Note that some transport methods are sensitive to line length. While there is a limit of 76 characters for the Radix-64 data (section 6.3), there is no limit to the length of Armor Headers. Care should be taken that the Armor Headers are short enough to survive transport. One way to do this is to repeat an Armor Header key multiple times with different values for each so that no one line is overly long. 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Forming ASCII Armor has a sentence that reads: The header lines, therefore, MUST start at the beginning of a line, and MUST NOT have text following them on the same line. Suggest to change it to: The header lines, therefore, MUST start at the beginning of a line, and MUST NOT have text other than whitespace following them on the same line. (i.e. add "other than whitespace") Ben Laurie pointed out the rationale that since the point of ignoring trailing whitespace in armored and clearsigned messages was to work around transport systems like mail that may add whitespace, then it is necessary to ignore whitespace on the header lines as well. ******* This other change I do not feel particularly strongly about. It may overspecify something that doesn't need it. In section 6.2. Forming ASCII Armor, add something to the effect of: Note that some transport methods are sensitive to line length. While there is a limit of 76 characters for the Radix-64 data (section 6.3), there is no limit to the length of Armor Headers. Care should be taken that the Armor Headers are short enough to survive transport. One way to do this is to repeat an Armor Header key multiple times with different values for each so that no one line is overly long. David Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k07Kcawa023364; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:38:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k07KcaFM023363; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:38:36 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k07KcZYI023357 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:38:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.60.132.70]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k07KcXS10736 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:38:33 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k07KcUX6006052 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:38:30 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k07KcTOH005530 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:38:29 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k07KcTXZ005529 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:38:29 -0500 Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:38:29 -0500 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers Message-ID: <20060107203829.GB5067@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: <200601051845.k05IjRrb073737@mailserver2.hushmail.com> <20060105190606.GF24021@jabberwocky.com> <43BFCD63.3020607@systemics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43BFCD63.3020607@systemics.com> OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Sat, Jan 07, 2006 at 02:17:07PM +0000, Ian G wrote: > David Shaw wrote: > ... > >>but, as Ian pointed out, if the maximum number of columns is > >>limited to the minimum number of columns in an armored message > >>(i.e., 64 characters) > >>then any 'wrap' that accepts the message block, would have no > >>problems > >>with the comment or version lines, > > > > > >That is not true. Armor does not allow spaces, so it's essentially a > >64 character long "word". Most editors only break on spaces. They > >won't break words to wrap them. > > The operative word there is 'most'. In email > for example, URLs that go over the length limit > are often sliced, hence some people send "tiny" > URLs. > > Also, there is another artifact. Even if the > transporting app doesn't slice your armour lines > in half, it may insert extra lines or spaces as > if it was slicing it in half. But again, it "may" also insert free-email ads in the middle or pdf-ize the whole thing, or helpfully reformat into one long line. Who is to say it can't? So yes, "most" is indeed the operative word. If a new form of corruption doesn't reach the most level, then this is a treadmill I'm very reluctant to get on. For every potential brokenness we conjecture and accomodate for, there will be some new form of mangling that comes along. David Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k07EHhMX088477; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 06:17:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k07EHhoH088476; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 06:17:43 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mailgate.enhyper.net ([80.168.109.121]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k07EHgT6088469 for ; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 06:17:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from iang@systemics.com) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgate.enhyper.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57E295E518; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:17:41 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <43BFCD63.3020607@systemics.com> Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:17:07 +0000 From: Ian G Organization: http://financialcryptography.com/ User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050921) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Shaw Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers References: <200601051845.k05IjRrb073737@mailserver2.hushmail.com> <20060105190606.GF24021@jabberwocky.com> In-Reply-To: <20060105190606.GF24021@jabberwocky.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: David Shaw wrote: ... >>but, as Ian pointed out, if the maximum number of columns is >>limited to the minimum number of columns in an armored message >>(i.e., 64 characters) >>then any 'wrap' that accepts the message block, would have no >>problems >>with the comment or version lines, > > > That is not true. Armor does not allow spaces, so it's essentially a > 64 character long "word". Most editors only break on spaces. They > won't break words to wrap them. The operative word there is 'most'. In email for example, URLs that go over the length limit are often sliced, hence some people send "tiny" URLs. Also, there is another artifact. Even if the transporting app doesn't slice your armour lines in half, it may insert extra lines or spaces as if it was slicing it in half. Which brings me to another point: Whatever slicing it does, if it *only* inserts whitespace, what you can then do is strip out *all* whitespace and you are left with pure armour. It's possible to parse that as a single block, as the original line length is not part of the armour itself. However, this strategy is only possible if you can easily identify the start and end of the armour. Which means we have to be quite clear about how the BEGIN, END and Comments: sections are organised. The less flexibility the better there - I'd not be keen on any multiline MIME-style overflow. Just some thoughts. iang Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k070EYH8016846; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:14:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k070EYQs016845; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:14:34 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [63.73.97.162]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k070EYlC016839 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:14:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jon@callas.org) Received: from keys.merrymeet.com (63.73.97.166) by merrymeet.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server X 3.2.7) for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:14:31 -0800 Received: from [63.251.255.205] ([63.251.255.205]) by keys.merrymeet.com (PGP Universal service); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:14:31 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.merrymeet.com on Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:14:31 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20060105175323.GD24021@jabberwocky.com> References: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> <20060105151541.GA12372@epointsystem.org> <20060105162421.GC24021@jabberwocky.com> <43BD5591.9010408@algroup.co.uk> <20060105175323.GD24021@jabberwocky.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jon Callas Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:14:30 -0800 To: OpenPGP X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On 5 Jan 2006, at 9:53 AM, David Shaw wrote: > Incidentally, I believe this is legal now: > > Comment: this is the first part of my comment > Comment: this is the second part of my comment > > I'd recommend that over a new encoding for line-wrapped armor headers > that will have to be added to all the existing armor parsers. I also think this is legal, and a fine idea. Echoing Werner and others, the Comment: header is really just a bumper sticker. Jon Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k070Ao0S016639; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:10:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k070Aoco016638; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:10:50 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [63.73.97.162]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k070AnX6016632 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:10:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jon@callas.org) Received: from keys.merrymeet.com (63.73.97.166) by merrymeet.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server X 3.2.7) for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:10:47 -0800 Received: from [63.251.255.205] ([63.251.255.205]) by keys.merrymeet.com (PGP Universal service); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:10:47 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.merrymeet.com on Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:10:47 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> References: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0BEE2962-16FF-43EC-BFD5-9EAB8E189F98@callas.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jon Callas Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:10:46 -0800 To: OpenPGP X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On 5 Jan 2006, at 6:28 AM, Ben Laurie wrote: > > draft 15 says: > > " The format of an Armor Header is that of a key-value pair. A > colon > (':' 0x38) and a single space (0x20) separate the key and value. > OpenPGP should consider improperly formatted Armor Headers to be > corruption of the ASCII Armor. " > > However, I see improperly formatted headers because of word wrapping. > There doesn't appear to be a way to wrap a long line, so I must reject > these as badly formatted (not that other implementations do, it > seems). > > This seems less than optimal. > I'm going to weasel here, as well as lawyer. It says "should." It even says it in lowercase, not SHOULD. That means that as long as you understand the ramifications of what you're doing (like the case Werner brings up), you can do what you want. I've always thought it would be useful to have some software that was a wrapper around core OpenPGP things that would verify a signature with some heuristics that could undo obvious breakage like wrapping bizarreness, formatting braindamage like quoted-printable on printable characters, and so on. Jon Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k06Lh2MV093816; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:43:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k06Lh2nC093815; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:43:02 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k06Lh1I2093807 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:43:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.60.132.70]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k06LgxS28916 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:42:59 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k06LguX6001478 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:42:56 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k06LgrBv030631 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:42:53 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k06Lgr6o030630 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:42:53 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:42:53 -0500 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers Message-ID: <20060106214253.GA30506@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: <20060106005036.GH63110@colon.colondot.net> <873bk1g17l.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> <20060106112403.GA29292@epointsystem.org> <871wzlebz9.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> <20060106210541.GA2734@epointsystem.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060106210541.GA2734@epointsystem.org> OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 10:05:41PM +0100, Daniel A. Nagy wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 02:12:58PM +0100, Werner Koch wrote: > > > Frankly, I believe that all headers except for Hash are not very > > useful. People are often bemused if you tell them that they should > > use sed to fix or add armor header lines. I am pretty sure many of > > them believe that the armor header lines are part of the signed text > > which does not wonder me because a line just above says "begin pgp > > signed message" and not "pgp signed messages begins after the next > > blank line". > > That is precisely why I think that headers should not be displayed when > reporting on successful verification, but that's just a "best practice" and > has little bearing on the standard. > > Otherwise, I agree with you that cleartext signed messages are least > ambiguous with just Hash headers and nothing else before the clearsigned > content. Maybe, we should consider disallowing everything else? After all, > version information and other stuff can go to the armor header of the > signature. Placing headers before the actual clearsigned content is > confusing, indeed. I don't think that many implementations use this > "feature", so by disallowing it, we might not break anythink. What do you > think? I think it is already done this way. Section 7 says: The cleartext signed message consists of: - The cleartext header '-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----' on a single line, - One or more "Hash" Armor Headers, - Exactly one empty line not included into the message digest, - The dash-escaped cleartext that is included into the message digest, - The ASCII armored signature(s) including the '-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----' Armor Header and Armor Tail Lines. Seems fairly clear that the only header that should go before the text is "Hash". Comment and/or Version would need to go in the BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE/END PGP SIGNATURE block at the end of the document. Does any implementation actually generate Comment and/or Version headers before the clearsigned text (rather than in the armored signature at the end of the clearsigned text) ? David Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k06L5ka3090009; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:05:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k06L5kS1090008; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:05:46 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.epointsystem.org (120.156-228-195.hosting.adatpark.hu [195.228.156.120]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k06L5j6Z089993 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:05:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nagydani@epointsystem.org) Received: by mail.epointsystem.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 347E32B47A5; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 22:05:41 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 22:05:41 +0100 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers Message-ID: <20060106210541.GA2734@epointsystem.org> References: <20060106005036.GH63110@colon.colondot.net> <873bk1g17l.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> <20060106112403.GA29292@epointsystem.org> <871wzlebz9.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <871wzlebz9.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i From: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 02:12:58PM +0100, Werner Koch wrote: > Frankly, I believe that all headers except for Hash are not very > useful. People are often bemused if you tell them that they should > use sed to fix or add armor header lines. I am pretty sure many of > them believe that the armor header lines are part of the signed text > which does not wonder me because a line just above says "begin pgp > signed message" and not "pgp signed messages begins after the next > blank line". That is precisely why I think that headers should not be displayed when reporting on successful verification, but that's just a "best practice" and has little bearing on the standard. Otherwise, I agree with you that cleartext signed messages are least ambiguous with just Hash headers and nothing else before the clearsigned content. Maybe, we should consider disallowing everything else? After all, version information and other stuff can go to the armor header of the signature. Placing headers before the actual clearsigned content is confusing, indeed. I don't think that many implementations use this "feature", so by disallowing it, we might not break anythink. What do you think? -- Daniel Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k06DHvAN008924; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 05:17:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k06DHvlb008923; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 05:17:57 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from kerckhoffs.g10code.com (kerckhoffs.g10code.com [217.69.77.222]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k06DHuMN008909 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 05:17:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wk@gnupg.org) Received: from uucp by kerckhoffs.g10code.com with local-rmail (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1Eura2-0004aV-DY for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:24:30 +0100 Received: from wk by localhost with local (Exim 4.34 #1 (Debian)) id 1EurOs-0004wL-1H; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:12:58 +0100 From: Werner Koch To: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers References: <20060106005036.GH63110@colon.colondot.net> <873bk1g17l.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> <20060106112403.GA29292@epointsystem.org> Organisation: g10 Code GmbH OpenPGP: id=5B0358A2; url=finger:wk@g10code.com Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:12:58 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20060106112403.GA29292@epointsystem.org> (Daniel A. Nagy's message of "Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:24:03 +0100") Message-ID: <871wzlebz9.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/21.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:24:03 +0100, Daniel A Nagy said: > Really? Are there more cut&paste'ers than mutt users? Not that I don't > believe you, but it would be nice to know how to estimate UI preferences. Even for Unix systems mutt is by far not the major MUA. Kmail, Evolution and Mozilla are used more often. AFAIK, Windows users often use cut+paste to encrypt or sign messages. > Actually, my java applet OpenPGP client (which relies on cut&paste for > input) also removes the headers from verified clearsigned documents. Frankly, I believe that all headers except for Hash are not very useful. People are often bemused if you tell them that they should use sed to fix or add armor header lines. I am pretty sure many of them believe that the armor header lines are part of the signed text which does not wonder me because a line just above says "begin pgp signed message" and not "pgp signed messages begins after the next blank line". Salam-Shalom, Werner Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k06ClM9T005041; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 04:47:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k06ClM6U005040; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 04:47:22 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.links.org (mail.links.org [217.155.92.109]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k06ClLEu005033 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 04:47:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ben@algroup.co.uk) Received: from [193.133.15.218] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.links.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C93733C1C for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:47:20 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <43BE66DD.30109@algroup.co.uk> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 12:47:25 +0000 From: Ben Laurie User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers References: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> <20060105151541.GA12372@epointsystem.org> <20060105162421.GC24021@jabberwocky.com> <43BD5591.9010408@algroup.co.uk> <20060105175323.GD24021@jabberwocky.com> In-Reply-To: <20060105175323.GD24021@jabberwocky.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: David Shaw wrote: > Incidentally, I believe this is legal now: > > Comment: this is the first part of my comment > Comment: this is the second part of my comment > > I'd recommend that over a new encoding for line-wrapped armor headers > that will have to be added to all the existing armor parsers. Good idea. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ "There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit." - Robert Woodruff Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k06BO5UE095352; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 03:24:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k06BO5Fl095351; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 03:24:05 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.epointsystem.org (120.156-228-195.hosting.adatpark.hu [195.228.156.120]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k06BO4OK095345 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 03:24:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nagydani@epointsystem.org) Received: by mail.epointsystem.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 323392B47C9; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:24:03 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:24:03 +0100 To: Werner Koch , ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers Message-ID: <20060106112403.GA29292@epointsystem.org> References: <20060106005036.GH63110@colon.colondot.net> <873bk1g17l.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <873bk1g17l.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i From: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 10:22:38AM +0100, Werner Koch wrote: > I know that given that as I heavily hacked on mutt's crypto code. > However mutt is not ust by the average user and mutt's users usually > use PGP/MIME where such a problem does not exist. > > We talked about editors or MUAs with a bad line wrap behavior; that is > that these MUAs are not OpenPGP aware and many users are using the > clipboard to cut and paste signatures. Really? Are there more cut&paste'ers than mutt users? Not that I don't believe you, but it would be nice to know how to estimate UI preferences. Actually, my java applet OpenPGP client (which relies on cut&paste for input) also removes the headers from verified clearsigned documents. -- Daniel Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k069Rxh0080083; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 01:27:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k069RxxM080082; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 01:27:59 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from kerckhoffs.g10code.com (kerckhoffs.g10code.com [217.69.77.222]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k069Rwfh080076 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 01:27:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wk@gnupg.org) Received: from uucp by kerckhoffs.g10code.com with local-rmail (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1EunzT-0007nO-H5 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:34:31 +0100 Received: from wk by localhost with local (Exim 4.34 #1 (Debian)) id 1Eunny-0004jy-Ai for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:22:38 +0100 From: Werner Koch To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers References: <20060106005036.GH63110@colon.colondot.net> Organisation: g10 Code GmbH OpenPGP: id=5B0358A2; url=finger:wk@g10code.com Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:22:38 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20060106005036.GH63110@colon.colondot.net> (Matthew Byng-Maddick's message of "Fri, 6 Jan 2006 00:50:36 +0000") Message-ID: <873bk1g17l.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/21.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 00:50:36 +0000, Matthew Byng-Maddick said: > signed text, which of course is not in the header. In my mailer (mutt) > it recognises the signed text as such and wraps (and displays) that. I I know that given that as I heavily hacked on mutt's crypto code. However mutt is not ust by the average user and mutt's users usually use PGP/MIME where such a problem does not exist. We talked about editors or MUAs with a bad line wrap behavior; that is that these MUAs are not OpenPGP aware and many users are using the clipboard to cut and paste signatures. > text. It seems almost sensible that there SHOULD be a way of outputting > this in normal context, but we're in last call, and I don't think it's > appropriate to start adding wording.) Agreed Salam-Shalom, Werner Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k060ocVE012846; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:50:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k060ocRQ012845; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:50:38 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from colon.colondot.net (IDENT:YybvF9xqSTFwP4uK+7BBNkbFqu8nyjbq@colon.colondot.net [193.201.200.70]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k060obcd012839 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:50:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from openpgp@lists.colondot.net) Received: from mbm by colon.colondot.net with local (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1EufoS-0004sv-A4 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 00:50:36 +0000 Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 00:50:36 +0000 From: Matthew Byng-Maddick To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers Message-ID: <20060106005036.GH63110@colon.colondot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: Colondot.net Mail-Copies-To: never Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: [This may get through twice - I sent it from the wrong address earlier] On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 04:55:43PM +0100, Werner Koch wrote: > On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:15:41 +0100, Daniel A Nagy said: [>> long header lines, wrapped (2)822-style] [> attack based on message in the header-lines] > By replacing the underscore with an invisible character this is close > to perfect but even with an underscore or an "> ", many users will > assume that the "Comment" line is just one line and the rest is > actually the signed message. If you use gpg --decrypt on such a message, then it will output the signed text, which of course is not in the header. In my mailer (mutt) it recognises the signed text as such and wraps (and displays) that. I feel that anyone looking at the original source of even ASCII-armoured mail rather than checking the signature for anything of that kind of importance might well deserve what they get. (Obviously, Werner, I appreciate that you know what GnuPG does in this situation, but I wanted to make the point that using the output of what the openpgp transformation does when it reads the ascii armoured text. It seems almost sensible that there SHOULD be a way of outputting this in normal context, but we're in last call, and I don't think it's appropriate to start adding wording.) Cheers MBM -- Matthew Byng-Maddick http://colondot.net/ (Please use this address to reply) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05J6E1D049680; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:06:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k05J6Ede049679; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:06:14 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05J6Drx049669 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:06:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.60.132.70]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k05J6CS12179 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:06:12 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k05J6HX6027049 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:06:17 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05J66bw024304 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:06:06 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k05J66A3024303 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:06:06 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:06:06 -0500 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers Message-ID: <20060105190606.GF24021@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: <200601051845.k05IjRrb073737@mailserver2.hushmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200601051845.k05IjRrb073737@mailserver2.hushmail.com> OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 10:45:24AM -0800, vedaal@hush.com wrote: > > On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 10:01:55 -0800 David Shaw > wrote: > > >Whatever (reasonable) magic number is used as the maximum number > of > >columns, I am confident there is a word wrap setting that will > clobber >it. > > but, as Ian pointed out, if the maximum number of columns is > limited to the minimum number of columns in an armored message > (i.e., 64 characters) > then any 'wrap' that accepts the message block, would have no > problems > with the comment or version lines, That is not true. Armor does not allow spaces, so it's essentially a 64 character long "word". Most editors only break on spaces. They won't break words to wrap them. David Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05J2Vv0049336; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:02:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k05J2V4s049335; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:02:31 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mailgate.enhyper.net ([80.168.109.121]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05J2V0w049327 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:02:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from iang@systemics.com) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgate.enhyper.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A73235E3F4; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:02:24 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <43BD6D1D.1020407@systemics.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 19:01:49 +0000 From: Ian G Organization: http://financialcryptography.com/ User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050921) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ben Laurie Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers References: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> <20060105151541.GA12372@epointsystem.org> <20060105162421.GC24021@jabberwocky.com> <43BD5591.9010408@algroup.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <43BD5591.9010408@algroup.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Ben Laurie wrote: > Word wrapping would not occur because the lines would be short enough to > avoid it. Word wrapping can occur at any length. I've seen it at 50 chars or so, which was pretty extreme. The reason I say that the header lines SHOULD BE NO LONGER than the ascii-armor is because if the wordwrap / slice limit is less than the ascii-armor, then we're sunk anyway. Although I suppose it is possible to strike a wordwrap but not slice artifact. David Shaw wrote: > Incidentally, I believe this is legal now: > > Comment: this is the first part of my comment > Comment: this is the second part of my comment > > I'd recommend that over a new encoding for line-wrapped armor headers > that will have to be added to all the existing armor parsers. Definately. I don't see any need to change the format of the comments to solve this problem, it seems to be thrashing a dead horse. iang Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05IjVJk046964; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:45:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k05IjV5o046963; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:45:31 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp3.hushmail.com (smtp3.hushmail.com [65.39.178.135]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05IjV4Q046956 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:45:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vedaal@hush.com) Received: from smtp3.hushmail.com (localhost.hushmail.com [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.hushmail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8197AA32C6 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:45:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailserver2.hushmail.com (mailserver2.hushmail.com [65.39.178.21]) by smtp3.hushmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:45:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailserver2.hushmail.com (localhost.hushmail.com [127.0.0.1]) by mailserver2.hushmail.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id k05IjSZD073738 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:45:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vedaal@hush.com) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by mailserver2.hushmail.com (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id k05IjRrb073737 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:45:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200601051845.k05IjRrb073737@mailserver2.hushmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:45:24 -0800 To: Cc: Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers From: Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 10:01:55 -0800 David Shaw wrote: >Whatever (reasonable) magic number is used as the maximum number of >columns, I am confident there is a word wrap setting that will clobber >it. but, as Ian pointed out, if the maximum number of columns is limited to the minimum number of columns in an armored message (i.e., 64 characters) then any 'wrap' that accepts the message block, would have no problems with the comment or version lines, >This problem basically exists in the "Comment" and "Version" >header lines. so a helpful fix would be to suggest a 'SHOULD' that the comment and version lines not exceed 64 characters vedaal Concerned about your privacy? Instantly send FREE secure email, no account required http://www.hushmail.com/send?l=480 Get the best prices on SSL certificates from Hushmail https://www.hushssl.com?l=485 Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05I23hb041640; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:02:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k05I23NO041639; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:02:03 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05I22lC041633 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:02:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.60.132.70]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k05I21S11683 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:02:01 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k05I26X6026790 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:02:06 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05I1t1g024241 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:01:55 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k05I1tD1024240 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:01:55 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:01:55 -0500 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers Message-ID: <20060105180155.GE24021@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> <20060105151541.GA12372@epointsystem.org> <20060105162421.GC24021@jabberwocky.com> <20060105165240.GA19354@epointsystem.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060105165240.GA19354@epointsystem.org> OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 05:52:40PM +0100, Daniel A. Nagy wrote: > > I wrote: > > > > In order to > > > prevent arbitrary wraps, the length of actual lines should be maximized in > > > 64 characters > > You wrote: > > > This would give a valid encoding for long header lines, but does not > > fix the problem at hand. Word wrapping would still result in broken > > armor as word wrapping wouldn't know to put whitespace before the > > lines it reformats. > > There would be no word wrapping, if everything I propose becomes standard. In common usage, a user creating an armored message (or clearsigned message which has the same problem) uses an OpenPGP program and some editor. These two programs do not communicate, so I do not see how the OpenPGP program can know where to fold the lines to prevent the editor from coming along and wrapping. Whatever (reasonable) magic number is used as the maximum number of columns, I am confident there is a word wrap setting that will clobber it. This problem basically exists in the "Comment" and "Version" header lines. Both are essentially comments, are optional, and carry nothing vital to OpenPGP. Rather than invent a whole new encoding for long lines, that involves modifying many deployed parsers for the benefit of having longer comments, why not just add a warning to the draft that says in effect "long comments may break you - be careful". David Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05HrUjC040025; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:53:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k05HrUhN040024; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:53:30 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05HrUg0040018 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:53:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.60.132.70]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k05HrTS11579 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:53:29 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k05HrYX6026767 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:53:34 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05HrNlf024223 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:53:23 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k05HrNJu024222 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:53:23 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:53:23 -0500 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers Message-ID: <20060105175323.GD24021@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> <20060105151541.GA12372@epointsystem.org> <20060105162421.GC24021@jabberwocky.com> <43BD5591.9010408@algroup.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43BD5591.9010408@algroup.co.uk> OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 05:21:21PM +0000, Ben Laurie wrote: > > David Shaw wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 04:15:41PM +0100, Daniel A. Nagy wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 02:28:20PM +0000, Ben Laurie wrote: > >>> draft 15 says: > >>> > >>> " The format of an Armor Header is that of a key-value pair. A colon > >>> (':' 0x38) and a single space (0x20) separate the key and value. > >>> OpenPGP should consider improperly formatted Armor Headers to be > >>> corruption of the ASCII Armor. " > >>> > >>> However, I see improperly formatted headers because of word wrapping. > >>> There doesn't appear to be a way to wrap a long line, so I must reject > >>> these as badly formatted (not that other implementations do, it seems). > >>> > >>> This seems less than optimal. > >> Armor headers are very similar to MIME headers. In MIME, the solution is > >> that non-empty lines are appended to the previous line, if they begin with a > >> whitespace. This transformation can be used in OpenPGP too. In order to > >> prevent arbitrary wraps, the length of actual lines should be maximized in > >> 64 characters, with longer lines broken in the above described fashion (with > >> a whitespace in the beginnig of the trailing part). > > > > This would give a valid encoding for long header lines, but does not > > fix the problem at hand. Word wrapping would still result in broken > > armor as word wrapping wouldn't know to put whitespace before the > > lines it reformats. > > Word wrapping would not occur because the lines would be short enough to > avoid it. No, this would still happen if the implementation generated lines that were too long. Since the OpenPGP generally has no idea where the editor is going to wrap, it is difficult for the implementation to get this right. Incidentally, I believe this is legal now: Comment: this is the first part of my comment Comment: this is the second part of my comment I'd recommend that over a new encoding for line-wrapped armor headers that will have to be added to all the existing armor parsers. David Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05HLJEr035604; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:21:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k05HLJRm035603; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:21:19 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.links.org (mail.links.org [217.155.92.109]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05HLIHd035597 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:21:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ben@algroup.co.uk) Received: from [193.133.15.218] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.links.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1F9B33C40 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:21:17 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <43BD5591.9010408@algroup.co.uk> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:21:21 +0000 From: Ben Laurie User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers References: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> <20060105151541.GA12372@epointsystem.org> <20060105162421.GC24021@jabberwocky.com> In-Reply-To: <20060105162421.GC24021@jabberwocky.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: David Shaw wrote: > On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 04:15:41PM +0100, Daniel A. Nagy wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 02:28:20PM +0000, Ben Laurie wrote: >>> draft 15 says: >>> >>> " The format of an Armor Header is that of a key-value pair. A colon >>> (':' 0x38) and a single space (0x20) separate the key and value. >>> OpenPGP should consider improperly formatted Armor Headers to be >>> corruption of the ASCII Armor. " >>> >>> However, I see improperly formatted headers because of word wrapping. >>> There doesn't appear to be a way to wrap a long line, so I must reject >>> these as badly formatted (not that other implementations do, it seems). >>> >>> This seems less than optimal. >> Armor headers are very similar to MIME headers. In MIME, the solution is >> that non-empty lines are appended to the previous line, if they begin with a >> whitespace. This transformation can be used in OpenPGP too. In order to >> prevent arbitrary wraps, the length of actual lines should be maximized in >> 64 characters, with longer lines broken in the above described fashion (with >> a whitespace in the beginnig of the trailing part). > > This would give a valid encoding for long header lines, but does not > fix the problem at hand. Word wrapping would still result in broken > armor as word wrapping wouldn't know to put whitespace before the > lines it reformats. Word wrapping would not occur because the lines would be short enough to avoid it. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ "There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit." - Robert Woodruff Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05GsV75031623; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:54:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k05GsVeC031622; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:54:31 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mailgate.enhyper.net ([80.168.109.121]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05GsUhx031614 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:54:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from iang@systemics.com) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgate.enhyper.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71E1C5E3E5; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:54:29 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <43BD4F22.9090806@systemics.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:53:54 +0000 From: Ian G Organization: http://financialcryptography.com/ User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050921) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ben Laurie Cc: OpenPGP Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers References: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Ben Laurie wrote: > draft 15 says: > > " The format of an Armor Header is that of a key-value pair. A colon > (':' 0x38) and a single space (0x20) separate the key and value. > OpenPGP should consider improperly formatted Armor Headers to be > corruption of the ASCII Armor. " > > However, I see improperly formatted headers because of word wrapping. > There doesn't appear to be a way to wrap a long line, so I must reject > these as badly formatted (not that other implementations do, it seems). > > This seems less than optimal. It is, but the doc is silent on that issue. I spotted this issue a year or two ago and brought it up. At the time, I had suggested that the doc say "Armor Headers SHOULD be no more than the length of the asciiarmor." But there wasn't much enthusiasm for that at the time. And implementations seem to like long lines, so I imagine the nuisance isn't going away. It's just another limitation of the clearsigned text format; don't use long lines if you value the sig. iang Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05GqgIO031254; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:52:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k05Gqg5d031253; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:52:42 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.epointsystem.org ([195.228.156.120]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05GqfBq031245 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:52:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nagydani@epointsystem.org) Received: by mail.epointsystem.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 70D3C2B47A3; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:52:40 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:52:40 +0100 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers Message-ID: <20060105165240.GA19354@epointsystem.org> References: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> <20060105151541.GA12372@epointsystem.org> <20060105162421.GC24021@jabberwocky.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060105162421.GC24021@jabberwocky.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i From: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: I wrote: > > In order to > > prevent arbitrary wraps, the length of actual lines should be maximized in > > 64 characters You wrote: > This would give a valid encoding for long header lines, but does not > fix the problem at hand. Word wrapping would still result in broken > armor as word wrapping wouldn't know to put whitespace before the > lines it reformats. There would be no word wrapping, if everything I propose becomes standard. The concern of Werner is more of an issue, though. I will address it in a separate posting. -- Daniel Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05GOWpo026010; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:24:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k05GOWlj026009; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:24:32 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05GOVPr026000 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:24:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.60.132.70]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k05GORS10875 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:24:27 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k05GOWX6026440 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:24:32 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05GOLhM024134 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:24:21 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k05GOLph024133 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:24:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:24:21 -0500 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers Message-ID: <20060105162421.GC24021@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> <20060105151541.GA12372@epointsystem.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060105151541.GA12372@epointsystem.org> OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 04:15:41PM +0100, Daniel A. Nagy wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 02:28:20PM +0000, Ben Laurie wrote: > > > > draft 15 says: > > > > " The format of an Armor Header is that of a key-value pair. A colon > > (':' 0x38) and a single space (0x20) separate the key and value. > > OpenPGP should consider improperly formatted Armor Headers to be > > corruption of the ASCII Armor. " > > > > However, I see improperly formatted headers because of word wrapping. > > There doesn't appear to be a way to wrap a long line, so I must reject > > these as badly formatted (not that other implementations do, it seems). > > > > This seems less than optimal. > > Armor headers are very similar to MIME headers. In MIME, the solution is > that non-empty lines are appended to the previous line, if they begin with a > whitespace. This transformation can be used in OpenPGP too. In order to > prevent arbitrary wraps, the length of actual lines should be maximized in > 64 characters, with longer lines broken in the above described fashion (with > a whitespace in the beginnig of the trailing part). This would give a valid encoding for long header lines, but does not fix the problem at hand. Word wrapping would still result in broken armor as word wrapping wouldn't know to put whitespace before the lines it reformats. I don't think this is something that OpenPGP should try to fix, beyond perhaps an interoperability note to be careful of line lengths. David Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05G49CD023020; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:04:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k05G49aD023019; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:04:09 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.links.org (mail.links.org [217.155.92.109]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05G48HA023013 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:04:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ben@algroup.co.uk) Received: from [193.133.15.218] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.links.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF65433C44; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:04:07 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <43BD437B.9080705@algroup.co.uk> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:04:11 +0000 From: Ben Laurie User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel A. Nagy" CC: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers References: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> <20060105151541.GA12372@epointsystem.org> In-Reply-To: <20060105151541.GA12372@epointsystem.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Daniel A. Nagy wrote: > On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 02:28:20PM +0000, Ben Laurie wrote: >> draft 15 says: >> >> " The format of an Armor Header is that of a key-value pair. A colon >> (':' 0x38) and a single space (0x20) separate the key and value. >> OpenPGP should consider improperly formatted Armor Headers to be >> corruption of the ASCII Armor. " >> >> However, I see improperly formatted headers because of word wrapping. >> There doesn't appear to be a way to wrap a long line, so I must reject >> these as badly formatted (not that other implementations do, it seems). >> >> This seems less than optimal. > > Armor headers are very similar to MIME headers. In MIME, the solution is > that non-empty lines are appended to the previous line, if they begin with a > whitespace. This transformation can be used in OpenPGP too. In order to > prevent arbitrary wraps, the length of actual lines should be maximized in > 64 characters, with longer lines broken in the above described fashion (with > a whitespace in the beginnig of the trailing part). I would support this modification. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ "There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit." - Robert Woodruff Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05G3P2T022936; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:03:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k05G3PUR022934; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:03:25 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.links.org (mail.links.org [217.155.92.109]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05G3OWZ022928 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:03:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ben@algroup.co.uk) Received: from [193.133.15.218] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.links.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE3C733C45 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:03:23 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <43BD434F.5010407@algroup.co.uk> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:03:27 +0000 From: Ben Laurie User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: OpenPGP Subject: Re: Armour Rationale? References: <43BD299C.90401@algroup.co.uk> <20060105144556.GB23950@jabberwocky.com> In-Reply-To: <20060105144556.GB23950@jabberwocky.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: David Shaw wrote: > On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 02:13:48PM +0000, Ben Laurie wrote: >> If the rationale for allowing trailing whitespace in armoured text is >> that it may be added by MUAs or MTAs, then shouldn't armoured headers >> and trailers also allow trailing whitespace (yes, I have seen this in >> the wild!). > > I'd say yes, this should be allowed (and ignored). GPG actually has > special code to deal with it: > > /* Some Windows environments seem to add whitespace to the end of > the line, so we strip it here. This becomes strict if > --rfc2440 is set since 2440 reads "The header lines, therefore, > MUST start at the beginning of a line, and MUST NOT have text > following them on the same line." It is unclear whether "text" > refers to all text or just non-whitespace text. */ > > I'd be quite happy if the draft language was something like: > > The header lines, therefore, MUST start at the beginning of a > line, and MUST NOT have non-whitespace text following them on > the same line. > > (that is, define the text as "non-whitespace"). Agreed. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ "There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit." - Robert Woodruff Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05G2xPp022893; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:02:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k05G2xBr022892; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:02:59 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from kerckhoffs.g10code.com (kerckhoffs.g10code.com [217.69.77.222]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05G2u0v022869 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:02:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wk@gnupg.org) Received: from uucp by kerckhoffs.g10code.com with local-rmail (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1EuXgA-0007tF-GI for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:09:30 +0100 Received: from wk by localhost with local (Exim 4.34 #1 (Debian)) id 1EuXSp-0002D2-9L; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:55:43 +0100 From: Werner Koch To: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers References: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> <20060105151541.GA12372@epointsystem.org> Organisation: g10 Code GmbH OpenPGP: id=5B0358A2; url=finger:wk@g10code.com Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:55:43 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20060105151541.GA12372@epointsystem.org> (Daniel A. Nagy's message of "Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:15:41 +0100") Message-ID: <87zmmafz40.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/21.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:15:41 +0100, Daniel A Nagy said: > whitespace. This transformation can be used in OpenPGP too. In order to > prevent arbitrary wraps, the length of actual lines should be maximized in > 64 characters, with longer lines broken in the above described fashion (with > a whitespace in the beginnig of the trailing part). This could be used to attack a message in this way: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Comment: Created by SEOpenPGP _ _The account to transfer the money to is _ 123455667 at Phishers Bank Inc., Caiman Islands _ _ _Regards, _ Robert T. Offline _ _-- _This message is integrity protected. Make sure that _the popup window or status line showed that the _signature is good. _ _ _ [More pseudo blank lines to scroll stuff away] The account to transfer the money to is 47110815 at Eco Bank, Frankfurt Regards, Robert T. Offline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- [...] By replacing the underscore with an invisible character this is close to perfect but even with an underscore or an "> ", many users will assume that the "Comment" line is just one line and the rest is actually the signed message. Shalom-Salam, Werner Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05FFipD016513; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 07:15:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k05FFiQW016512; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 07:15:44 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.epointsystem.org ([195.228.156.120]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05FFhTr016506 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 07:15:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nagydani@epointsystem.org) Received: by mail.epointsystem.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D80062B47A3; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:15:41 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:15:41 +0100 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers Message-ID: <20060105151541.GA12372@epointsystem.org> References: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i From: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 02:28:20PM +0000, Ben Laurie wrote: > > draft 15 says: > > " The format of an Armor Header is that of a key-value pair. A colon > (':' 0x38) and a single space (0x20) separate the key and value. > OpenPGP should consider improperly formatted Armor Headers to be > corruption of the ASCII Armor. " > > However, I see improperly formatted headers because of word wrapping. > There doesn't appear to be a way to wrap a long line, so I must reject > these as badly formatted (not that other implementations do, it seems). > > This seems less than optimal. Armor headers are very similar to MIME headers. In MIME, the solution is that non-empty lines are appended to the previous line, if they begin with a whitespace. This transformation can be used in OpenPGP too. In order to prevent arbitrary wraps, the length of actual lines should be maximized in 64 characters, with longer lines broken in the above described fashion (with a whitespace in the beginnig of the trailing part). -- Daniel Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05F6auq015295; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 07:06:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k05F6aha015294; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 07:06:36 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05F6Z2e015284 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 07:06:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.60.132.70]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k05F6ZS10304 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:06:35 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k05F6dX6026127 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:06:39 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05F6TKv024060 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:06:29 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k05F6TtM024059 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:06:29 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:06:29 -0500 From: David Shaw To: OpenPGP Subject: Re: Bad Armour Headers Message-ID: <20060105150629.GB24021@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: OpenPGP References: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 02:28:20PM +0000, Ben Laurie wrote: > > draft 15 says: > > " The format of an Armor Header is that of a key-value pair. A colon > (':' 0x38) and a single space (0x20) separate the key and value. > OpenPGP should consider improperly formatted Armor Headers to be > corruption of the ASCII Armor. " > > However, I see improperly formatted headers because of word wrapping. > There doesn't appear to be a way to wrap a long line, so I must reject > these as badly formatted (not that other implementations do, it seems). GPG rejects these as well. Word wrapping mangles clearsigned documents as well, of course, so it's more than just an armor header problem. I'm not sure what can be done about that except to tell people "don't corrupt the armor, please". David Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05Ek581012636; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 06:46:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k05Ek5An012635; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 06:46:05 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05Ek4SE012629 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 06:46:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.60.132.70]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k05Ek2S10117 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:46:02 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k05Ek6X6026015 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:46:06 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k05EjuLG024018 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:45:56 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k05EjucY024017 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:45:56 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:45:56 -0500 From: David Shaw To: OpenPGP Subject: Re: Armour Rationale? Message-ID: <20060105144556.GB23950@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: OpenPGP References: <43BD299C.90401@algroup.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43BD299C.90401@algroup.co.uk> OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 02:13:48PM +0000, Ben Laurie wrote: > > If the rationale for allowing trailing whitespace in armoured text is > that it may be added by MUAs or MTAs, then shouldn't armoured headers > and trailers also allow trailing whitespace (yes, I have seen this in > the wild!). I'd say yes, this should be allowed (and ignored). GPG actually has special code to deal with it: /* Some Windows environments seem to add whitespace to the end of the line, so we strip it here. This becomes strict if --rfc2440 is set since 2440 reads "The header lines, therefore, MUST start at the beginning of a line, and MUST NOT have text following them on the same line." It is unclear whether "text" refers to all text or just non-whitespace text. */ I'd be quite happy if the draft language was something like: The header lines, therefore, MUST start at the beginning of a line, and MUST NOT have non-whitespace text following them on the same line. (that is, define the text as "non-whitespace"). David Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05ESI1a009962; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 06:28:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k05ESI8d009961; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 06:28:18 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.links.org (mail.links.org [217.155.92.109]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05ESHdw009952 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 06:28:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ben@algroup.co.uk) Received: from [193.133.15.218] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.links.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6F833C40 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:28:16 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <43BD2D04.6020203@algroup.co.uk> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 14:28:20 +0000 From: Ben Laurie User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: OpenPGP Subject: Bad Armour Headers X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: draft 15 says: " The format of an Armor Header is that of a key-value pair. A colon (':' 0x38) and a single space (0x20) separate the key and value. OpenPGP should consider improperly formatted Armor Headers to be corruption of the ASCII Armor. " However, I see improperly formatted headers because of word wrapping. There doesn't appear to be a way to wrap a long line, so I must reject these as badly formatted (not that other implementations do, it seems). This seems less than optimal. Cheers, Ben. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ "There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit." - Robert Woodruff Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05EDmYu006593; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 06:13:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k05EDmV8006592; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 06:13:48 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.links.org (mail.links.org [217.155.92.109]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k05EDjYE006582 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 06:13:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ben@algroup.co.uk) Received: from [193.133.15.218] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.links.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CE9433C3F for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:13:44 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <43BD299C.90401@algroup.co.uk> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 14:13:48 +0000 From: Ben Laurie User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: OpenPGP Subject: Armour Rationale? X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: If the rationale for allowing trailing whitespace in armoured text is that it may be added by MUAs or MTAs, then shouldn't armoured headers and trailers also allow trailing whitespace (yes, I have seen this in the wild!). Cheers, Ben. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ "There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit." - Robert Woodruff Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k03IaUrY033861; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:36:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k03IaUGQ033860; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:36:30 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ipnet.kiev.ua (cielago.ip.net.ua [82.193.96.7]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k03IaSWv033853 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:36:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ni4@ukr.net) Received: from localhost (rocky.ip.net.ua [82.193.96.2]) by mail.ipnet.kiev.ua (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03IaRca093218 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:36:27 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ni4@ukr.net) Received: from mail.ipnet.kiev.ua ([82.193.96.7]) by localhost (rocky.ipnet [82.193.96.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 88304-01-4 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:36:24 +0200 (EET) Received: from INFERNAL (172.16.2.165.cl.ipnet.kiev.ua [172.16.2.165]) by mail.ipnet.kiev.ua (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03IWnAY092772 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:32:49 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ni4@ukr.net) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:29:52 +0200 From: "Nickolay L." X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.0.1.33) Professional Reply-To: "Nickolay L." X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <4410503648.20060103202952@ukr.net> To: OpenPGP Subject: Re[2]: String-to-key problem In-Reply-To: <20060103175143.8CCF657F5B@finney.org> References: <20060103175143.8CCF657F5B@finney.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ip.net.ua Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hello Hal, Thank you for your answer! HF> I'm surprised that PGP 9.0.3 would use this old format. This behavior HF> is deprecated in the new draft. I don't sure, that it was GENERATED by that version, maybe, just exported. -- Best regards,Nickolay mailto: Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k03HoFQS028900; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:50:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k03HoFic028899; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:50:15 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from finney.org (226-132.adsl2.netlojix.net [207.71.226.132]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k03HoF0i028893 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:50:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hal@finney.org) Received: by finney.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 8CCF657F5B; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:51:43 -0800 (PST) To: ni4@ukr.net Subject: Re: String-to-key problem Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Message-Id: <20060103175143.8CCF657F5B@finney.org> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:51:43 -0800 (PST) From: hal@finney.org ("Hal Finney") Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Nickolay L. writes: > And here is the question : I have one secret key (it seems, that it > was generated by PGP Desktop 9.0.3), and it have one problem - > symmetric algorithm (in place of S2KUsage) is reported to be 3DES, > which has 192bit keylength, but in standarts everywhere told, that > when S2K is absent, simple MD5 checksum should be used, but how to > derive from 128-bit MD5 192-bit key, there is no any ideas.. I'm surprised that PGP 9.0.3 would use this old format. This behavior is deprecated in the new draft. However, such cases should be handled identically to the Simple S2K format. This is described in the new draft as follows: Simple S2K hashes the passphrase to produce the session key. The manner in which this is done depends on the size of the session key (which will depend on the cipher used) and the size of the hash algorithm's output. If the hash size is greater than the session key size, the high-order (leftmost) octets of the hash are used as the key. If the hash size is less than the key size, multiple instances of the hash context are created -- enough to produce the required key data. These instances are preloaded with 0, 1, 2, ... octets of zeros (that is to say, the first instance has no preloading, the second gets preloaded with 1 octet of zero, the third is preloaded with two octets of zeros, and so forth). As the data is hashed, it is given independently to each hash context. Since the contexts have been initialized differently, they will each produce different hash output. Once the passphrase is hashed, the output data from the multiple hashes is concatenated, first hash leftmost, to produce the key data, with any excess octets on the right discarded. Hal Finney Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k03EvAiA010041; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 06:57:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id k03EvAtg010040; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 06:57:10 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ipnet.kiev.ua (cielago.ip.net.ua [82.193.96.7]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k03Ev8v8010032 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 06:57:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ni4@ukr.net) Received: from localhost (rocky.ip.net.ua [82.193.96.2]) by mail.ipnet.kiev.ua (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03EuvEB067672 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:56:57 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ni4@ukr.net) Received: from mail.ipnet.kiev.ua ([82.193.96.7]) by localhost (rocky.ipnet [82.193.96.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 85767-01-10 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:56:55 +0200 (EET) Received: from INFERNAL (172.16.2.165.cl.ipnet.kiev.ua [172.16.2.165]) by mail.ipnet.kiev.ua (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k03ErSrL067244 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:53:29 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ni4@ukr.net) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:50:36 +0200 From: "Nickolay L." X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.0.1.33) Professional Reply-To: "Nickolay L." X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <695457682.20060103165036@ukr.net> To: OpenPGP Subject: String-to-key problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ip.net.ua Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Happy new year to all! And here is the question : I have one secret key (it seems, that it was generated by PGP Desktop 9.0.3), and it have one problem - symmetric algorithm (in place of S2KUsage) is reported to be 3DES, which has 192bit keylength, but in standarts everywhere told, that when S2K is absent, simple MD5 checksum should be used, but how to derive from 128-bit MD5 192-bit key, there is no any ideas.. Does anybody have any suggestions? -- Best regards,Nickolay mailto: