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RFC 4880 Title: OpenPGP Message Format Author: J. Callas, L. Donnerhacke, H. Finney, D. Shaw, R. Thayer Status: Standards Track Date: November 2007 Mailbox: jon@callas.org, lutz@iks-jena.de, hal@finney.org, dshaw@jabberwocky.com, rodney@canola-jones.com Pages: 90 Characters: 203706 Obsoletes: RFC1991, RFC2440 See-Also: I-D Tag: draft-ietf-openpgp-rfc2440bis-22.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4880.txt This document is maintained in order to publish all necessary information needed to develop interoperable applications based on the OpenPGP format. It is not a step-by-step cookbook for writing an application. It describes only the format and methods needed to read, check, generate, and write conforming packets crossing any network. It does not deal with storage and implementation questions. It does, however, discuss implementation issues necessary to avoid security flaws. OpenPGP software uses a combination of strong public-key and symmetric cryptography to provide security services for electronic communications and data storage. These services include confidentiality, key management, authentication, and digital signatures. This document specifies the message formats used in OpenPGP. [STANDARDS TRACK] This document is a product of the An Open Specification for Pretty Good Privacy Working Group of the IETF. This is now a Proposed Standard Protocol. STANDARDS TRACK: This document specifies an Internet standards track protocol for the Internet community,and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements.Please refer to the current edition of the Internet Official Protocol Standards (STD 1) for the standardization state and status of this protocol. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. This announcement is sent to the IETF list and the RFC-DIST list. 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From Warren.curtis@teamworkpro.com Sat Nov 03 09:20:16 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IoIvA-0000BK-2V for openpgp-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 03 Nov 2007 09:20:16 -0400 Received: from bzq-79-179-101-161.red.bezeqint.net ([79.179.101.161] helo=bzq-79-182-162-208.red.bezeqint.net) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IoIut-0000ah-I2 for openpgp-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 03 Nov 2007 09:20:00 -0400 Received: by 10.222.117.2 with SMTP id sEbMMjbKuCYrc; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:20:00 +0200 (GMT) Received: by 192.168.39.85 with SMTP id sqnlmTGSLLuTSC.4003010293716; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:19:58 +0200 (GMT) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:19:55 +0200 To: openpgp-archive@ietf.org From: "Warren curtis" Subject: reniatno Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 4.2 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 8ac499381112328dd60aea5b1ff596ea como esta openpgp-archive you may be compatible with her but what does she think of your dick size? http://fascosc.com/ Warren curtis From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Sat Nov 03 10:02:35 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IoJa6-00049I-Qt for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 03 Nov 2007 10:02:35 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IoJa5-0007ub-DG for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 03 Nov 2007 10:02:34 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA3DeCnE021574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 3 Nov 2007 06:40:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA3DeCUa021573; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 06:40:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from goten.sonance.net (goten.sonance.net [88.198.58.135]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA3DeA7T021564 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 06:40:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from iang@systemics.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34F1457C02 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:45:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from goten.sonance.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (goten.sonance.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O2TInGrCY6E6 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:45:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from zhukov.local (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 071E157B98 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:45:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <472C7A3D.6000403@systemics.com> Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 14:40:13 +0100 From: Ian G User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: RFC 4880 on OpenPGP Message Format References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> In-Reply-To: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org wrote: > A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. > > > RFC 4880 > > Title: OpenPGP Message Format > Author: J. Callas, L. Donnerhacke, > H. Finney, D. Shaw, > R. Thayer > Status: Standards Track > Date: November 2007 > Mailbox: jon@callas.org, > lutz@iks-jena.de, > hal@finney.org, dshaw@jabberwocky.com, > rodney@canola-jones.com > URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4880.txt YeeHaa! Congratulations, Jon and the team! iang From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Sat Nov 03 11:39:59 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IoL6N-0000ID-6D for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 03 Nov 2007 11:39:59 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IoL6L-0003Fp-S8 for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 03 Nov 2007 11:39:59 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA3FJAvj031758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 3 Nov 2007 08:19:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA3FJAiV031757; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 08:19:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp-18.masterhost.ru (smtp-18.masterhost.ru [83.222.24.118]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id lA3FJ823031746 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 08:19:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sattva@pgpru.com) Received: (qmail 45881 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2007 15:18:51 -0000 Received: from vpn-pool-78-139-211-166.tomtel.ru (HELO ?78.139.211.166?) (sattva@vladmiller.info@78.139.211.166) by smtp1.masterhost.ru with SMTP; 3 Nov 2007 15:18:51 -0000 Message-ID: <472C914C.5000007@pgpru.com> Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 21:18:36 +0600 From: "Vlad \"SATtva\" Miller" Organization: "openPGP in Russia", www.pgpru.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070919) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: RFC 4880 on OpenPGP Message Format References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <472C7A3D.6000403@systemics.com> In-Reply-To: <472C7A3D.6000403@systemics.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.2 OpenPGP: id=8443620A; url=http://www.vladmiller.info/contacts/keys.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Ian G wrote on 03.11.2007 19:40: > > rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org wrote: >> A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. >> >> RFC 4880 >> >> Title: OpenPGP Message Format Author: J. >> Callas, L. Donnerhacke, >> H. Finney, D. Shaw, >> R. Thayer >> Status: Standards Track >> Date: November 2007 >> Mailbox: jon@callas.org, >> lutz@iks-jena.de, hal@finney.org, >> dshaw@jabberwocky.com, rodney@canola-jones.com > >> URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4880.txt > > > YeeHaa! Congratulations, Jon and the team! > > iang Subscribing to Ian's congratulations. That was indeed a great job! -- SATtva | security consulting www.vladmiller.info | www.pgpru.com From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Sat Nov 03 11:54:11 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IoLK7-0006sJ-Qj for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 03 Nov 2007 11:54:11 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IoLK6-0003r3-Gq for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 03 Nov 2007 11:54:11 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA3FbvtE033426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 3 Nov 2007 08:37:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA3Fbvp3033425; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 08:37:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id lA3FbsBb033419 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 08:37:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from s-beyer@gmx.net) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 03 Nov 2007 15:37:53 -0000 Received: from d83-189-7-111.cust.tele2.de (EHLO leksak.p-netz) [83.189.7.111] by mail.gmx.net (mp003) with SMTP; 03 Nov 2007 16:37:53 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1499303 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+cHn5EpJCcXm8kFTpOkkzfr9fe0FZ9T5NUtGADm4 3DvZ1l9c5lsadb Received: from sbeyer by leksak.p-netz with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IoL4K-0001X5-Vc for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Sat, 03 Nov 2007 16:37:52 +0100 Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 16:37:52 +0100 From: Stephan Beyer To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: RFC 4880 on OpenPGP Message Format Message-ID: <20071103153752.GB5622@leksak.p-netz> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <472C7A3D.6000403@systemics.com> <472C914C.5000007@pgpru.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="O5XBE6gyVG5Rl6Rj" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <472C914C.5000007@pgpru.com> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 --O5XBE6gyVG5Rl6Rj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >> RFC 4880 Is it an accident that the RFC number is 4880 =3D 2440*2? ;-) Congratulations. ;-) --=20 Stephan Beyer , PGP 0x6EDDD207FCC5040F --O5XBE6gyVG5Rl6Rj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHLJXQbt3SB/zFBA8RArdlAJ9wtjiNEWf9rfgtfQb4CBNwf3m36QCfbf8C P1DQ7OcwRIp29tdahbhjcnw= =OJf3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --O5XBE6gyVG5Rl6Rj-- From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Sat Nov 03 12:05:35 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IoLV9-0003VC-IE for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 03 Nov 2007 12:05:35 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IoLV8-0004O3-8E for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 03 Nov 2007 12:05:35 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA3Ffomn033756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 3 Nov 2007 08:41:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA3FfocD033755; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 08:41:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA3Ffn7q033748 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 08:41:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.jabberwocky.com (c-75-69-177-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [75.69.177.157]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id lA3Ffll06795 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 10:41:47 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA3FfgIA002978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 11:41:42 -0400 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA3FfgW3010490 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 11:41:42 -0400 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lA3FffiS010489 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 11:41:41 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 11:41:41 -0400 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: RFC 4880 on OpenPGP Message Format Message-ID: <20071103154141.GA9909@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-05-20) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 06:29:56PM -0700, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org wrote: > > > A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. > > > RFC 4880 > > Title: OpenPGP Message Format > Author: J. Callas, L. Donnerhacke, > H. Finney, D. Shaw, > R. Thayer > Status: Standards Track > Date: November 2007 Thank you, everyone. It's taken a while, but I think we have a great new RFC here. David From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Sat Nov 03 12:29:09 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IoLrx-0001va-OL for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 03 Nov 2007 12:29:09 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IoLrw-0005L5-Em for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 03 Nov 2007 12:29:09 -0400 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA3FuhTu035086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 3 Nov 2007 08:56:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA3FuhpV035085; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 08:56:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.epointsystem.org (120.156-228-195.hosting.adatpark.hu [195.228.156.120]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA3Fudwn035074 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 08:56:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nagydani@epointsystem.org) Received: by mail.epointsystem.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C6FB817C1; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 16:56:38 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 16:56:38 +0100 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: RFC 4880 on OpenPGP Message Format Message-ID: <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 21c69d3cfc2dd19218717dbe1d974352 --YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 06:29:56PM -0700, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org wrote: > A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. >=20 > =20 > RFC 4880 >=20 > Title: OpenPGP Message Format=20 > Author: J. Callas, L. Donnerhacke, > H. Finney, D. Shaw, > R. Thayer Congratulations! What is the next step for OpenPGP? V5 key format? Stream ciphers? --=20 Daniel --YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQDVAwUBRyyaNq6pEulQFnIMAQKfxwYApcamIv8hI+36R9dbEvZ2WJZ1kSjzC8Ij IS9nMaF4Oez3XWqV1R+tf0tmxB4zjPtKMBmSkF9SEuu+1ctseoeRJPpJ8EOHKw2S /Wka5mGmP+7dsaF6V+5R6iE0DqoAnTURP767NWFIaOU7EiJ6fz0z551I3Foy/Uf4 THOsHQzsW1/ChrDaKHZy6gUgPHnlhjGaJSmKpnw0lwE8ERr5B13Le502LZ8h22yd +Y5WZ6AB3G4/SsOnIuqKxLLZ8p5PQX03 =AxGr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK-- From xryhqdfel@blg.com.hk Sat Nov 03 15:59:27 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IoP9T-0003Oy-GD for openpgp-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 03 Nov 2007 15:59:27 -0400 Received: from c-98-195-80-4.hsd1.tx.comcast.net ([98.195.80.4]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IoP8Y-0005fX-IG for openpgp-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 03 Nov 2007 15:59:27 -0400 Received: from [98.195.80.4] by mail33.messagelabs.com; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 13:52:27 -0600 From: "Emil Darby" To: Subject: Rip doesn't present safety issue, NASA says Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 13:52:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C81E20.C4FA1690" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: Aca6Q4EQ5UF2WX0Q3Y3N100EY6P19H== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: <01c81e20$c4fa1690$0450c362@xryhqdfel> X-Spam-Score: 3.5 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: d67762704726a1bed57e7f4595960d34 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C81E20.C4FA1690 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000F_01C81E20.C4FA1690" ------=_NextPart_001_000F_01C81E20.C4FA1690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The wife was taken to a hospital, where she was declared clinically dead, Italian media reported. Her brother died at the scene."Iran ... has chosen a lasting logic in defending its national interests because it is certain that excessive demands of the enemies of this nation has no limits.Putin has bluntly spelled out his disagreements with Washington, saying last week that he saw no "objective data" to prove Western claims that Iran is seeking nuclear weapons."We will ponder your words and proposal," IRNA quoted Khamenei as saying.Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who has the final say on all government matters, said Iran will give Putin's proposal serious thought before giving a response, the news agency said.The strike is expected to cripple France's national train network.Unidentified relatives of the gunman's victims console one another outside the courtroom.Russian officials could not immediately be reached to verify the report and the Iranian news agency provided no details on what Putin had proposed.With Paris hotels booked full many fans are staying 30 kilometers (20 miles) outside the city in hotels around Disneyland's Paris resort."We are certainly concerned about the impact for fans. So far we've been assured the disruptions should be manageable but it remains to be seen," Jessica Chambers, a spokeswoman for the England Rugby Supporters Club.TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- Russian President Vladimir Putin made an unspecified proposal about Iran's nuclear program at a private meeting with the country's supreme leader during a brief trip to Tehran, Iran's state news agency said Wednesday."The main reason for Putin's visit to Iran was to convey this message personally to the ultimate power inIran," one official said.Khamenei told Putin that Iran is serious about continuing uranium enrichment in turn but wants to avoid adventurism and cooperate with the U.N. nuclear watchdog, the news agency said.The five permanent U.N. Security Council members, plus Germany, have been working together to try to find a way to get Iran to abandon its uranium enrichment program. The U.S. and some allies allege that the program is cover for a weapons program. Iran says it is intended purely for peaceful energy production.The man and his wife were attending a court hearing in Reggio Emilia as part of separation proceedings when he pulled out a gun and pointed it at his wife and her brother, then started shooting randomly, police said.About 80,000 rugby fans are expected to attend Saturday's World Cup final between England and South Africa. ------=_NextPart_001_000F_01C81E20.C4FA1690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The wife was taken to a hospital, where she was declared clinically de= ad, Italian media reported. Her brother died at the scene.


"Iran ... has chosen a lasting logic in defending its national interes= ts because it is certain that excessive demands of the enemies of this na= tion has no limits.


Putin has bluntly spelled out his disagreements with Washington, sayin= g last week that he saw no "objective data" to prove Western claims that = Iran is seeking nuclear weapons.


"We will ponder your words and proposal," IRNA quoted Khamenei as sayi= ng.


Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who has the final say on all government matter= s, said Iran will give Putin's proposal serious thought before giving a r= esponse, the news agency said.


The strike is expected to cripple France's national train network.

=

Unidentified relatives of the gunman's victims console one another out= side the courtroom.


Russian officials could not immediately be reached to verify the repor= t and the Iranian news agency provided no details on what Putin had propo= sed.


With Paris hotels booked full many fans are staying 30 kilometers (20 = miles) outside the city in hotels around Disneyland's Paris resort.

"We are certainly concerned about the impact for fans. So far we've be= en assured the disruptions should be manageable but it remains to be seen= ," Jessica Chambers, a spokeswoman for the England Rugby Supporters Club.=


TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- Russian President Vladimir Putin made an unspeci= fied proposal about Iran's nuclear program at a private meeting with the = country's supreme leader during a brief trip to Tehran, Iran's state news= agency said Wednesday.


"The main reason for Putin's visit to Iran was to convey this message = personally to the ultimate power inIran," one official said.


Khamenei told Putin that Iran is serious about continuing uranium enri= chment in turn but wants to avoid adventurism and cooperate with the U.N.= nuclear watchdog, the news agency said.


The five permanent U.N. Security Council members, plus Germany, have b= een working together to try to find a way to get Iran to abandon its uran= ium enrichment program. The U.S. and some allies allege that the program = is cover for a weapons program. Iran says it is intended purely for peace= ful energy production.


The man and his wife were attending a court hearing in Reggio Emilia a= s part of separation proceedings when he pulled out a gun and pointed it = at his wife and her brother, then started shooting randomly, police said.=


About 80,000 rugby fans are expected to attend Saturday's World Cup fi= nal between England and South Africa.


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Nagy" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-PGP-Encoding-Format: Partitioned X-PGP-Encoding-Version: 2.0.2 X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a7d6aff76b15f3f56fcb94490e1052e4 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 3, 2007, at 8:56 AM, Daniel A. Nagy wrote: > * PGP Signed by an unknown key > > On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 06:29:56PM -0700, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org > wrote: > >> A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. >> >> >> RFC 4880 >> >> Title: OpenPGP Message Format >> Author: J. Callas, L. Donnerhacke, >> H. Finney, D. Shaw, >> R. Thayer > > Congratulations! > > What is the next step for OpenPGP? V5 key format? Stream ciphers? > > -- > Daniel > > * Unknown Key > * 0x5016720C -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Universal 2.6.3 Charset: US-ASCII wj8DBQFHLn6DsTedWZOD3gYRAmQZAJ90QofBOEgoapMw1ZxpsgM6Q+xp2wCgkNaR +C/mb82Gu2gs+MqFtOfLf60= =Nnt7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Sun Nov 04 21:44:04 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iorwa-0005ww-Ew for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 21:44:04 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iorwa-0000EB-2c for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 21:44:04 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA52NcjN078951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 4 Nov 2007 19:23:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA52NcGf078950; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 19:23:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [66.93.68.160]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA52Nbvd078944 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 19:23:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jon@callas.org) Received: from keys.merrymeet.com (keys.merrymeet.com [66.93.68.161]) (Authenticated sender: jon) by merrymeet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 969D0A39848 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 18:23:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.93.68.165] ([66.93.68.165]) by keys.merrymeet.com (PGP Universal service); Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:23:37 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.merrymeet.com on Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:23:37 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> Message-Id: <59615F7E-B66E-48D1-B38D-E7F3EB55187C@callas.org> From: Jon Callas Subject: Re: RFC 4880 on OpenPGP Message Format Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 18:23:46 -0800 To: OpenPGP X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-PGP-Encoding-Format: Partitioned X-PGP-Encoding-Version: 2.0.2 X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Congratulations to everyone! Jon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Universal 2.6.3 Charset: US-ASCII wj8DBQFHLn6psTedWZOD3gYRAli+AJ92v5pwR6O/6uwswmSCu/WZJCMNGACfb8y3 tMmUgEqWoN1BBsn2g1RMcUg= =PbRM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Mon Nov 05 04:31:41 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IoyJ3-0000dY-Kv for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 04:31:41 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IoyJ2-0001xc-6E for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 04:31:41 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA59BiEu014452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 02:11:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA59Bi0N014451; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 02:11:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from kerckhoffs.g10code.com (kerckhoffs.g10code.com [217.69.77.222]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA59BfJA014434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 02:11:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wk@gnupg.org) Received: from uucp by kerckhoffs.g10code.com with local-rmail (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ioy7p-0007bQ-Gu for ; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 10:20:05 +0100 Received: from wk by localhost with local (Exim 4.62 #1 (Debian)) id 1IoxwT-0007kg-D0; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 10:08:21 +0100 From: Werner Koch To: Jon Callas Cc: OpenPGP Subject: Re: RFC 4880 on OpenPGP Message Format References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <59615F7E-B66E-48D1-B38D-E7F3EB55187C@callas.org> Organisation: g10 Code GmbH OpenPGP: id=5B0358A2; url=finger:wk@g10code.com Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 10:08:21 +0100 In-Reply-To: <59615F7E-B66E-48D1-B38D-E7F3EB55187C@callas.org> (Jon Callas's message of "Sun, 4 Nov 2007 18:23:46 -0800") Message-ID: <87ode9qcu2.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 03:23, jon@callas.org said: > Congratulations to everyone! You did a very good job as editor and contributor over the last 10 years. Congratulations to veryone. So now that we have 4880 out, is it now again the time to think about interop tests and draft status? Shalom-Salam, Werner -- Die Gedanken sind frei. Auschnahme regelt ein Bundeschgesetz. From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Mon Nov 05 09:42:21 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ip39h-0003HI-OG for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 09:42:21 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ip39g-0000BE-Ab for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 09:42:21 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA5EJx1s045659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 07:19:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA5EJxtW045658; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 07:19:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ihtfp.org (MAIL.IHTFP.ORG [204.107.200.6]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA5EJwjE045652 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 07:19:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from derek@ihtfp.com) Received: from pgpdev.ihtfp.org (PGPDEV.IHTFP.ORG [204.107.200.23]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cliodev.ihtfp.com", Issuer "IHTFP Consulting Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by mail.ihtfp.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C5FABD8565 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:19:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from warlord@localhost) by pgpdev.ihtfp.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lA5EJuh9003251; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:19:56 -0500 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: RFC 4880 on OpenPGP Message Format References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <472C7A3D.6000403@systemics.com> <472C914C.5000007@pgpru.com> <20071103153752.GB5622@leksak.p-netz> From: Derek Atkins Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 09:19:55 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20071103153752.GB5622@leksak.p-netz> (Stephan Beyer's message of "Sat\, 3 Nov 2007 16\:37\:52 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 Stephan Beyer writes: >> >> RFC 4880 > > Is it an accident that the RFC number is 4880 = 2440*2? ;-) The RFC Editor does not reserve RFC numbers. > Congratulations. ;-) Indeed. Good work to everyone involved. I'd like to thank each and every one of you for making RFC4880 such a great achievement. > Stephan Beyer , PGP 0x6EDDD207FCC5040F -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Mon Nov 05 09:57:47 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ip3Od-0005XT-BF for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 09:57:47 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ip3Oc-0000T3-1M for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 09:57:47 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA5EXEWZ046895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 07:33:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA5EXEoD046894; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 07:33:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ihtfp.org (MAIL.IHTFP.ORG [204.107.200.6]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA5EXDx4046886 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 07:33:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from derek@ihtfp.com) Received: from pgpdev.ihtfp.org (PGPDEV.IHTFP.ORG [204.107.200.23]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cliodev.ihtfp.com", Issuer "IHTFP Consulting Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by mail.ihtfp.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A26BD8565; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:33:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from warlord@localhost) by pgpdev.ihtfp.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lA5EXCIu003488; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:33:12 -0500 To: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy), Werner Koch Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Next Steps (was Re: RFC 4880 on OpenPGP Message Format) From: Derek Atkins Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 09:33:12 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> (Daniel A. Nagy's message of "Sat\, 3 Nov 2007 16\:56\:38 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) writes: > What is the next step for OpenPGP? V5 key format? Stream ciphers? Werner Koch writes: > So now that we have 4880 out, is it now again the time to think about > interop tests and draft status? Very good questions. We have a number of items that have come up before and been tabled. This work includes (but is not limited to): * PFS * V5 keys * Plausible Deniability * Additional Ciphers * Updates to PGP/MIME But before we decide to take on more work, there are a number of questions we have to ask ourselves. The first question is: what's in our charter and would we need to be rechartered to take on this additional work? The second question is: are there enough people interested in doing the work (editors, reviewers, implementors) to warrant remaining open? Third: Can we get AD approval to continue? By my reading of the charter, all these work items could be in scope if there's enough interest in it. So I don't think we need to recharter (yet we DO need to submit new milestones based on whatever work we attempt to take on). However questions 2 and 3 still remain. So now is the time to speak up and submit your drafts so we can show the AD that there's enough interest to continue working, and that we have a plan. As for interop and draft status.... I think if someone wants to host an OpenPGP implementor get-together that would be just fine. To make it an official "interoperability" event we'd need some sort of test plan, and someone to write up all the results from all the tests. Taking 2440 to DRAFT would require at last 6 months, plus this test plan that shows valid interop testing on every feature in 4880. 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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C81FC4.D0C0B380-- From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Mon Nov 05 10:30:53 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ip3uf-0003y6-17 for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 10:30:53 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ip3ud-0001F3-Nw for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 10:30:53 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA5FBi7P050345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 08:11:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA5FBicA050344; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 08:11:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from kerckhoffs.g10code.com (kerckhoffs.g10code.com [217.69.77.222]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA5FBfbp050325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 08:11:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wk@gnupg.org) Received: from uucp by kerckhoffs.g10code.com with local-rmail (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ip3kE-0003rL-KD for ; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:20:06 +0100 Received: from wk by localhost with local (Exim 4.62 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ip3ZV-0001G3-B5; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:09:01 +0100 From: Werner Koch To: Derek Atkins Cc: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy), ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Next Steps References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> Organisation: g10 Code GmbH OpenPGP: id=5B0358A2; url=finger:wk@g10code.com Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:09:00 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Derek Atkins's message of "Mon, 05 Nov 2007 09:33:12 -0500") Message-ID: <87sl3kohkj.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:33, derek@ihtfp.com said: > So now is the time to speak up and submit your drafts so we can show > the AD that there's enough interest to continue working, and that we > have a plan. I am pretty sure that Ben Laurie will submit a new PFS draft and I would be happy to implement it in GnuPG. David Shaw has a draft for a Camellia. With the recent NIST announcements I consider work on ECDSA important and a task the WG should take up now. > Taking 2440 to DRAFT would require at last 6 months, plus this test > plan that shows valid interop testing on every feature in 4880. Any > volunteers? You mean taking 4880 to DRAFT? Shalom-Salam, Werner -- Die Gedanken sind frei. Auschnahme regelt ein Bundeschgesetz. From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Mon Nov 05 12:47:53 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ip63F-0007fN-CI for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 12:47:53 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ip63D-0004dP-Ud for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 12:47:53 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA5HNhcr065868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:23:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA5HNheT065867; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:23:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.links.org (mail.links.org [217.155.92.109]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA5HNfX8065860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:23:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ben@links.org) Received: from [193.133.15.218] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.links.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB0333C1D; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:23:40 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <472F5124.3000609@links.org> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:21:40 +0000 From: Ben Laurie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.3) Gecko/20070326 Thunderbird/2.0.0.0 Mnenhy/0.7.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Werner Koch CC: Derek Atkins , "Daniel A. Nagy" , ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Next Steps References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <87sl3kohkj.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> In-Reply-To: <87sl3kohkj.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 69a74e02bbee44ab4f8eafdbcedd94a1 Werner Koch wrote: > On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:33, derek@ihtfp.com said: > >> So now is the time to speak up and submit your drafts so we can show >> the AD that there's enough interest to continue working, and that we >> have a plan. > > I am pretty sure that Ben Laurie will submit a new PFS draft and I would > be happy to implement it in GnuPG. I would be up for that, indeed. > David Shaw has a draft for a > Camellia. > > With the recent NIST announcements I consider work on ECDSA important > and a task the WG should take up now. > >> Taking 2440 to DRAFT would require at last 6 months, plus this test >> plan that shows valid interop testing on every feature in 4880. Any >> volunteers? > > You mean taking 4880 to DRAFT? > > > Shalom-Salam, > > Werner > -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.links.org/ "There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit." - Robert Woodruff From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Mon Nov 05 13:37:21 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ip6p7-0004bz-NO for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 13:37:21 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ip6p6-0006N7-Cr for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 13:37:21 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA5IHPqV071636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:17:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA5IHPrC071635; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:17:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA5IHOHQ071627 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:17:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.jabberwocky.com (c-75-69-177-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [75.69.177.157]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id lA5IHLl18033 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:17:22 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA5IHHdt021923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:17:17 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA5IHGUt011587 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:17:16 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lA5IHGFp011586 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:17:16 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:17:16 -0500 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Next Steps Message-ID: <20071105181716.GC11103@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <87sl3kohkj.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87sl3kohkj.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-05-20) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 04:09:00PM +0100, Werner Koch wrote: > > On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:33, derek@ihtfp.com said: > > > So now is the time to speak up and submit your drafts so we can show > > the AD that there's enough interest to continue working, and that we > > have a plan. > > I am pretty sure that Ben Laurie will submit a new PFS draft and I would > be happy to implement it in GnuPG. David Shaw has a draft for a > Camellia. I just now sent the Camellia draft in to the IETF. David From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Mon Nov 05 16:10:38 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ip9DS-0002dw-Km for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:10:38 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ip9DR-0002bN-6m for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:10:38 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA5KZ21v085121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:35:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA5KZ2v6085120; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:35:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.epointsystem.org (120.156-228-195.hosting.adatpark.hu [195.228.156.120]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA5KZ1dh085114 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:35:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nagydani@epointsystem.org) Received: by mail.epointsystem.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 30FD73CB6; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 21:35:00 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 21:35:00 +0100 To: Derek Atkins Cc: Werner Koch , ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Next Steps (was Re: RFC 4880 on OpenPGP Message Format) Message-ID: <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 09:33:12AM -0500, Derek Atkins wrote: > The second question is: are there enough people > interested in doing the work (editors, reviewers, implementors) to > warrant remaining open? Currently, my team is working on implementing a system that aims at some level of OpenPGP interoperability. Because of platform limitations, full interoperability with RFC4880 is not practical. In particular, we are implementing a symmetrically encrypted data packet format where encryption is done using a stream cipher (namely: ArcFour), yet following the standard as closely as possible. The reason is that the target platform (low-end mob= ile phones) may perform really poorly using a block cipher. However, it would be nice if the next version of OpenPGP would be interoperable with our system even on the encryption level. I shall send the specifications to this list as soon as they are properly written up. Regards, --=20 Daniel --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQDVAwUBRy9+c66pEulQFnIMAQJxEAX/RzTLsOJM5yvpvhnrtwsiIgiEQWhz1FU+ E4zApB0DifcqkeHfVmOWWbzfs7Mrw/aibPueAQwMrEdtnTXZzejOe2Xh0C2rm+DL /MhROl//q/Q7D8P395EXsZyPKl4TpSRuOHM0BCi6EZawlsmRUgu+JMURIGDknxKU xTR+JQ7a6T/nMen1MtzjUlZFZbpDEx6MtV09+VADC7fokACPbiO5HdEOEhl6bPrw j4DQsZPOR6onxc5lut58pdx6NG+X+zlD =gpoY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM-- From hjhzhkk9932con@163.com Mon Nov 05 21:38:44 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpEKy-0007iC-A4 for openpgp-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:38:44 -0500 Received: from [116.24.134.110] (helo=163.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpEKu-0005gK-9n for openpgp-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:38:44 -0500 From: =?GB2312?B?zfXQob3j?= Subject: =?GB2312?B?0rXO8bzyvek=?= To: openpgp-archive@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain;charset="GB2312" Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:38:50 +0800 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Foxmail 4.1 [cn] X-Spam-Score: 4.6 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad ÄúºÃ! ±¾¹«Ë¾ÊÇÁªÃË´úÀí¹«Ë¾£¬ÏÖÓÐÈ«¹ú¸÷´óÊ¡ÊеÄÆÕͨ·¢:/:Ʊ¿É ÓŻݶÔÍ⿪¾ß¡£ ÊÕÈ¡µÄË°ÂÊÓÅ»Ý1%-2%Ö®¼ä,Ïêϸ˰Âʿɸù¾Ý½ð¶î´óСÉÌ̸! ±¾¹«Ë¾¿ÉÒÔÏÈ¿ªÆ±¸ø¹ó¹«Ë¾,¹ó¹«Ë¾ÊÕµ½È·ÈÏÎÞÎÊÌâºóÔÙ¸¶¿î! ¶ÔÓÚË«·½µÄºÏ×÷¹Øϵ¾ø¶Ô±£ÃÜ¡£ÈôÓÐÕâ·½ÃæµÄÐèÒª,»¶Ó­À´µãÇ¢ ̸! Áª ϵ ÈË:ÍõС½ã ÁªÏµµç»°:136-2098-5515 ÓÊ Ïä:hhgzsy@163.com From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 06 08:50:20 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpOou-0000iO-5i for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 08:50:20 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpOop-0003cd-K1 for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 08:50:20 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6DRJkQ063419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 06:27:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA6DRJ6s063418; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 06:27:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ihtfp.org (MAIL.IHTFP.ORG [204.107.200.6]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6DRGIG063410 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 06:27:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from derek@ihtfp.com) Received: from pgpdev.ihtfp.org (PGPDEV.IHTFP.ORG [204.107.200.23]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cliodev.ihtfp.com", Issuer "IHTFP Consulting Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by mail.ihtfp.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83D6FBD8462; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from warlord@localhost) by pgpdev.ihtfp.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lA6DREs0031201; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:27:14 -0500 To: Werner Koch Cc: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy), ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Next Steps References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <87sl3kohkj.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> From: Derek Atkins Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 08:27:12 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87sl3kohkj.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> (Werner Koch's message of "Mon\, 05 Nov 2007 16\:09\:00 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bb8f917bb6b8da28fc948aeffb74aa17 Werner Koch writes: > On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:33, derek@ihtfp.com said: > >> So now is the time to speak up and submit your drafts so we can show >> the AD that there's enough interest to continue working, and that we >> have a plan. > > I am pretty sure that Ben Laurie will submit a new PFS draft and I would > be happy to implement it in GnuPG. David Shaw has a draft for a > Camellia. > > With the recent NIST announcements I consider work on ECDSA important > and a task the WG should take up now. Yes, ECDSA would be yet another cipher draft. If the WG wants to standardize on that I think it falls under our charter. >> Taking 2440 to DRAFT would require at last 6 months, plus this test >> plan that shows valid interop testing on every feature in 4880. Any >> volunteers? > > You mean taking 4880 to DRAFT? Umm.. yea. *looks sheepish*. I guess I've been writing "2440" for so long that it's going to take time to get used to saying 4880. :-D -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 06 08:52:31 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpOr1-0001yL-Gj for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 08:52:31 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpOqy-0003fw-6O for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 08:52:31 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6DaOEJ064250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 06:36:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA6DaOlO064249; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 06:36:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ihtfp.org (MAIL.IHTFP.ORG [204.107.200.6]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6DaNEE064240 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 06:36:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from derek@ihtfp.com) Received: from pgpdev.ihtfp.org (PGPDEV.IHTFP.ORG [204.107.200.23]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cliodev.ihtfp.com", Issuer "IHTFP Consulting Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by mail.ihtfp.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA20BD8462; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:36:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from warlord@localhost) by pgpdev.ihtfp.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lA6DaNer031400; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:36:23 -0500 To: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Next Steps (was Re: RFC 4880 on OpenPGP Message Format) References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> From: Derek Atkins Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 08:36:23 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> (Daniel A. Nagy's message of "Mon\, 5 Nov 2007 21\:35\:00 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) writes: > On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 09:33:12AM -0500, Derek Atkins wrote: >> The second question is: are there enough people >> interested in doing the work (editors, reviewers, implementors) to >> warrant remaining open? > > Currently, my team is working on implementing a system that aims at some > level of OpenPGP interoperability. Because of platform limitations, full > interoperability with RFC4880 is not practical. In particular, we are > implementing a symmetrically encrypted data packet format where encryption > is done using a stream cipher (namely: ArcFour), yet following the standard > as closely as possible. The reason is that the target platform (low-end mobile > phones) may perform really poorly using a block cipher. Have you actually tried using a block cipher like AES, or are you basing this "may perform really poorly" only on guesswork? Seriously... AES was specifically designed to work well in small systems like cell phones, have you actually tried it? I'd also suspect that any Public Key operations would take much more time, although it sounds like you aren't using that part of the spec at all. > However, it would be nice if the next version of OpenPGP would be > interoperable with our system even on the encryption level. I shall send the > specifications to this list as soon as they are properly written up. Go ahead, but we've discussed ArcFour previously and decided it was too dangerous and didn't fit into the CFB cipher context modes. But please send in your specs so we can see them and others on the list can give their opinion. > Regards, -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 06 09:45:55 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpPgh-00039n-0c for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 09:45:55 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpPgd-0005eq-KU for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 09:45:54 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6EQiAT068129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 07:26:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA6EQibL068128; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 07:26:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from kerckhoffs.g10code.com (kerckhoffs.g10code.com [217.69.77.222]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6EQgha068116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 07:26:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wk@gnupg.org) Received: from uucp by kerckhoffs.g10code.com with local-rmail (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1IpPWF-0005KP-KG for ; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:35:07 +0100 Received: from wk by localhost with local (Exim 4.62 #1 (Debian)) id 1IpPKz-0002Zx-5b; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:23:29 +0100 From: Werner Koch To: Derek Atkins Cc: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy), ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Next Steps References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <87sl3kohkj.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> Organisation: g10 Code GmbH OpenPGP: id=5B0358A2; url=finger:wk@g10code.com Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:23:29 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Derek Atkins's message of "Tue, 06 Nov 2007 08:27:12 -0500") Message-ID: <87ve8fihb2.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:27, derek@ihtfp.com said: > Umm.. yea. *looks sheepish*. I guess I've been writing "2440" for > so long that it's going to take time to get used to saying 4880. :-D I was asking myself whether there are new IETF procedures to get something into draft status ;-). Shalom-Salam, Werner -- Die Gedanken sind frei. Auschnahme regelt ein Bundeschgesetz. From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 06 09:57:51 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpPsF-0007mA-6P for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 09:57:51 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpPsB-00062O-Rp for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 09:57:51 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6ET3Ou068287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 07:29:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA6ET3Tm068286; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 07:29:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.epointsystem.org (120.156-228-195.hosting.adatpark.hu [195.228.156.120]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6ET1Ql068278 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 07:29:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nagydani@epointsystem.org) Received: by mail.epointsystem.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id EFEA73CC2; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:28:59 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:28:59 +0100 To: Derek Atkins Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Next Steps (was Re: RFC 4880 on OpenPGP Message Format) Message-ID: <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b4a0a5f5992e2a4954405484e7717d8c --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 08:36:23AM -0500, Derek Atkins wrote: > Have you actually tried using a block cipher like AES, or are you > basing this "may perform really poorly" only on guesswork? > Seriously... AES was specifically designed to work well in small > systems like cell phones, have you actually tried it? Yes, I have tried AES. It is still almost an order of magnitude slower than RC4. =20 > I'd also suspect that any Public Key operations would take much more > time, although it sounds like you aren't using that part of the spec > at all. Exactly. > Go ahead, but we've discussed ArcFour previously and decided it was > too dangerous and didn't fit into the CFB cipher context modes.=20 I don't think it is dangerous if done properly, but it definitely does not fit into CFB cipher condext mode (which, by the way, is another thing that is worth considering for retirement). Actually, I am leaning toward introducing a general stream cipher mode of which block ciphers operated in CTR mode are a special case. CTR has much nicer theoretical properties than CFB in the sense that security assumptions for block ciphers imply certain security properties for the stream cipher. > But > please send in your specs so we can see them and others on the list > can give their opinion. Sure. Cheers, --=20 Daniel --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQDVAwUBRzB6K66pEulQFnIMAQLJlgX/S0d5dU8B5554kDfYQ2/7qICClCI5JXLP vCVgx88zViC65NL9ioObC7oiWhyNTr2MScWmvphIRanl5bKx98M2glhpIz1YUE61 v1I9+VTBB5FGP5Q/6FVUXndT8uHI+NCQoscNZiV5uqlvD2gvXpC/xBYClCZQ59am 30hQZWxw4/GLnq6cR+aI4V5yOTtueS73tQTRQ9kIs13bjILRosUlo+5/SRIgUu+d UoOP9aM/Vd0T1sElKi6WqGiveEmU1/tb =hH1a -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7-- From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 06 10:08:47 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpQ2p-00054K-A2 for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:08:47 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpQ2m-0006Ye-0p for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:08:47 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6Elw3C070704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 07:47:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA6ElwgN070703; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 07:47:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ihtfp.org (MAIL.IHTFP.ORG [204.107.200.6]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6ElvRT070696 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 07:47:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from derek@ihtfp.com) Received: from pgpdev.ihtfp.org (PGPDEV.IHTFP.ORG [204.107.200.23]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cliodev.ihtfp.com", Issuer "IHTFP Consulting Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by mail.ihtfp.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C76BD8560; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 09:47:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from warlord@localhost) by pgpdev.ihtfp.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lA6EluKQ032370; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 09:47:56 -0500 To: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Next Steps References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> From: Derek Atkins Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 09:47:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> (Daniel A. Nagy's message of "Tue\, 6 Nov 2007 15\:28\:59 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) writes: > Hello > > On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 08:36:23AM -0500, Derek Atkins wrote: > >> Have you actually tried using a block cipher like AES, or are you >> basing this "may perform really poorly" only on guesswork? >> Seriously... AES was specifically designed to work well in small >> systems like cell phones, have you actually tried it? > > Yes, I have tried AES. It is still almost an order of magnitude slower than > RC4. That's an unfair comparrison. AES is going to be slower than RC4 on all hardware. That's not the question you need to be asking. The question is whether AES is "fast enough" for your application on your hardware. I.e., can AES give you enough throughput on your hardware to get your data? >> Go ahead, but we've discussed ArcFour previously and decided it was >> too dangerous and didn't fit into the CFB cipher context modes. > > I don't think it is dangerous if done properly, but it definitely does not > fit into CFB cipher condext mode (which, by the way, is another thing that > is worth considering for retirement). The problem is that the vast majority of developers don't know how to use it properly, and it's VERY easy to get wrong. There's just too many ways to shoot yourself in the foot, such as reusing keystream, or not thowing away the beginning of the keystream. I'd leave it up to the WG about whether we want to retire CFB mode, I don't have a feel for any consensus on that. -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 06 10:34:10 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpQRO-00042P-45 for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:34:10 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpQRL-0007DK-Li for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:34:10 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6FG45N074418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:16:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA6FG4cU074417; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:16:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.epointsystem.org (120.156-228-195.hosting.adatpark.hu [195.228.156.120]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6FG2ZX074410 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:16:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nagydani@epointsystem.org) Received: by mail.epointsystem.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 618203CBD; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:16:02 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:16:02 +0100 To: Derek Atkins Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Next Steps Message-ID: <20071106151602.GB18459@epointsystem.org> References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0eh6TmSyL6TZE2Uz" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 02ec665d00de228c50c93ed6b5e4fc1a --0eh6TmSyL6TZE2Uz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 09:47:56AM -0500, Derek Atkins wrote: > That's an unfair comparrison. AES is going to be slower than RC4 on > all hardware. That's not the question you need to be asking. The > question is whether AES is "fast enough" for your application on your > hardware. I.e., can AES give you enough throughput on your hardware > to get your data? No, it is not. A single block operation takes almost half a second on NOKIA 3410, which means that encrypting a simple text message takes seconds, which is not nice from a user experience PoV. =20 > >> Go ahead, but we've discussed ArcFour previously and decided it was > >> too dangerous and didn't fit into the CFB cipher context modes.=20 > > > > I don't think it is dangerous if done properly, but it definitely does = not > > fit into CFB cipher condext mode (which, by the way, is another thing t= hat > > is worth considering for retirement). >=20 > The problem is that the vast majority of developers don't know how to > use it properly, and it's VERY easy to get wrong. There's just too > many ways to shoot yourself in the foot, such as reusing keystream, > or not thowing away the beginning of the keystream. It should be well defined in the spec and it will be. > I'd leave it up to the WG about whether we want to retire CFB mode, > I don't have a feel for any consensus on that. I think that at least it would be nice to have an alternative. --=20 Daniel --0eh6TmSyL6TZE2Uz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQDVAwUBRzCFMa6pEulQFnIMAQJ3NwYAr1Baf9FcvsViSgN24JhIBofzMmsOPJm7 zBbyZ3/5VQ1pMlqnP6wwIx7SAEKr+RiyJM3JIiTyGgfgB8sQzE/ESA2NjQAFFGQ5 AYXWopBTitiZBQCafgo23kKIJR+LZ4QOz2OXYlh+4f5s8ty/01ml3A0tO3BcgnvB HNpguiOfQim0W9ah0wJ65Vyd9xYjLxGodKln/ggb1tgN4Y5afyQV2Jqml9I3i2Zd FQSjZuGga/xtGAs4+l2dY08CqmJjMa1o =rwDE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0eh6TmSyL6TZE2Uz-- From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 06 10:42:16 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpQZE-00066X-Gm for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:42:16 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpQZA-0007Mr-I0 for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:42:16 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6FIT9K074630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:18:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA6FITUr074629; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:18:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from goten.sonance.net (goten.sonance.net [88.198.58.135]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6FISgx074620 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:18:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from iang@systemics.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B8157BD8 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:23:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from goten.sonance.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (goten.sonance.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G7ui4KLyoI7t for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:23:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from zhukov.local (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 939DF57BD1 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:23:49 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <473085CA.7050006@systemics.com> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:18:34 +0100 From: Ian G User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Next Steps (was Re: RFC 4880 on OpenPGP Message Format) References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> In-Reply-To: <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cab78e1e39c4b328567edb48482b6a69 Daniel A. Nagy wrote: > I don't think it is dangerous if done properly, but it definitely does not > fit into CFB cipher condext mode (which, by the way, is another thing that > is worth considering for retirement). Yes please! > Actually, I am leaning toward introducing a general stream cipher mode of > which block ciphers operated in CTR mode are a special case. CTR has much > nicer theoretical properties than CFB in the sense that security assumptions > for block ciphers imply certain security properties for the stream cipher. OpenPGP has these built in application notions that inform it on what is "in" and what is "out" ... which are basically historical and probably due to be updated. E.g., ascii armouring is "in" and s/mime is "out". For all those (historical) reasons it probably makes sense to sit down around a round table and craft a future architecture of what is "base" and what is "extension". I'd see stream modes as being "extensions". (leaving the question of whether the base includes even a block cipher mode to the round table ;) So I suppose I'm heading over to one of these "big questions": supposing that we do proceed to do a next generation, are we planning on a "big" change over a 10 year cycle, or are we planning on a "small" change with only modest fix-ups? (I'm hoping here that we don't up with a "small" change taking 10 years .....) iang From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 06 11:28:40 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpRI8-0003fz-JS for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:28:40 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpRI4-0008Ua-Uw for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:28:40 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6GDBKS080066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 09:13:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA6GDBtx080065; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 09:13:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6GDAA1080058 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 09:13:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.jabberwocky.com (c-75-69-177-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [75.69.177.157]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id lA6GD6M23173 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:13:07 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA6GD12h030759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:13:02 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA6GD1Rv019111 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:13:01 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lA6GD1vc019110 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:13:01 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:13:00 -0500 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: OpenPGP CFB mode (was Re: Next Steps) Message-ID: <20071106161300.GD12890@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-05-20) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 09:47:56AM -0500, Derek Atkins wrote: > I'd leave it up to the WG about whether we want to retire CFB mode, > I don't have a feel for any consensus on that. I don't have particularly strong feelings about CFB mode itself, but I do think it would be nice to move to a more standard mode, rather than our own OpenPGP CFB mode. It's not a big deal, and I don't see any particular need to change it quickly as I don't think OpenPGP CFB is insecure or somehow bad. The issue is more that OpenPGP CFB needs to be repeatedly explained ("Hey, why does this thing use its own cipher mode? Can you prove it is secure?") If we do head down that road, I'd suggest doing it as part of something else, like V5 keys. It's not really important enough to justify doing by itself, and doing it as part of V5 helps prevent compatibility problems, as there would be no mixture of implementations some with regular CFB and some with OpenPGP CFB: a V5 key would mean regular CFB from the start. (Substitute your favorite (but standard) mode for "regular CFB" in the above if you like.) David From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 06 14:10:11 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpToR-0000YI-Sw for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:10:11 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpToN-0004nj-FN for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:10:11 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6IkiTC095314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:46:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA6Ikidd095313; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:46:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [66.93.68.160]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6Ikgfk095307 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:46:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jon@callas.org) Received: from keys.merrymeet.com (keys.merrymeet.com [66.93.68.161]) (Authenticated sender: jon) by merrymeet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FF20A45071 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:46:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.93.68.165] ([66.93.68.165]) by keys.merrymeet.com (PGP Universal service); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:46:42 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.merrymeet.com on Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:46:42 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20071106161300.GD12890@jabberwocky.com> References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> <20071106161300.GD12890@jabberwocky.com> Message-Id: <201FE06E-E9F4-44A9-9305-E78B312B7AA0@callas.org> From: Jon Callas Subject: Re: OpenPGP CFB mode (was Re: Next Steps) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:46:49 -0800 To: OpenPGP X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-PGP-Encoding-Format: Partitioned X-PGP-Encoding-Version: 2.0.2 X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52e1467c2184c31006318542db5614d5 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 When we started the working group, there were many things that I thought would be great to "fix." That included OpenPGP CFB. These days, I care a lot less. The reason is that while the OpenPGP CFB is eccentric, it's not wrong. CFB itself has a parallelism with CBC. Just about every thing you can say about CFB has a parallel thing you can say about CBC. If you want real change, you'd want to do something else, which has a different set of issues. If we put in some new mode, the implementations will have to support them both for years. If a major or quasi-major implementation balks, then that time increases. That increases code size and complexity, and that decreases security. Unless a mode change is folded in with a compelling other reason, I don't see it's worth the bother. Every system has warts. This is not a large one. Jon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Universal 2.6.3 Charset: US-ASCII wj8DBQFHMLaRsTedWZOD3gYRAjQ5AKDyc0OSw22nAp94VNfckcKjWKe0IACfcWde 08obFK5CjIrI8nlo8pFTIGA= =qbKq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 06 14:28:20 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpU60-0007Ht-6q for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:28:20 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpU5x-0005AC-Kl for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:28:20 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6JC9Vj098431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 12:12:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA6JC956098430; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 12:12:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6JC8Lb098422 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 12:12:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.jabberwocky.com (c-75-69-177-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [75.69.177.157]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id lA6JC7M23768 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:12:07 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA6JC2VR032517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:12:02 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA6JC1aU020033 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:12:01 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lA6JC0s5020032 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:12:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:12:00 -0500 From: David Shaw To: OpenPGP Subject: Re: OpenPGP CFB mode (was Re: Next Steps) Message-ID: <20071106191200.GA19945@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: OpenPGP References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> <20071106161300.GD12890@jabberwocky.com> <201FE06E-E9F4-44A9-9305-E78B312B7AA0@callas.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201FE06E-E9F4-44A9-9305-E78B312B7AA0@callas.org> OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-05-20) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 10:46:49AM -0800, Jon Callas wrote: > > When we started the working group, there were many things that I > thought would be great to "fix." That included OpenPGP CFB. These > days, I care a lot less. > > The reason is that while the OpenPGP CFB is eccentric, it's not > wrong. CFB itself has a parallelism with CBC. Just about every thing > you can say about CFB has a parallel thing you can say about CBC. If > you want real change, you'd want to do something else, which has a > different set of issues. > > If we put in some new mode, the implementations will have to support > them both for years. If a major or quasi-major implementation balks, > then that time increases. That increases code size and complexity, > and that decreases security. > > Unless a mode change is folded in with a compelling other reason, I > don't see it's worth the bother. Every system has warts. This is not > a large one. Exactly. That's why I say that *if* we do this, we should do it as part of V5 keys. It's not important enough to do on its own. I should add that I'm not exactly eager to go down the V5 keys path without a good reason either. It would be nice to tweak some V4 details (fingerprints being SHA-1), but I don't think those details are compelling enough to justify a V5 by themselves. David From serg_LaGrave@allaboutyarn.biz Tue Nov 06 14:44:43 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpULr-0000J0-9M for openpgp-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:44:43 -0500 Received: from host214-220-dynamic.21-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it ([87.21.220.214] helo=host193-56-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpULq-00017B-K1 for openpgp-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:44:43 -0500 Received: from PATRIZIO by allaboutyarn.biz with ASMTP id 6A8A32BC for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:48:50 +0100 Received: from PATRIZIO ([149.196.20.28]) by allaboutyarn.biz with ESMTP id 95CE9B61174E for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:48:50 +0100 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:48:13 +0100 From: "serg LaGrave" Reply-To: "serg LaGrave" Message-ID: <699179707327.651687661820@allaboutyarn.biz> To: Subject: nosluj MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original X-Spam-Score: 4.0 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 8ac499381112328dd60aea5b1ff596ea welcum openpgp-archive When I looked in the mirror after every shower, I couldn’t help but think my cock was tiny http://kirootv.com/ serg LaGrave From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 06 18:07:45 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpXWK-0001ro-FX for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:07:45 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpXWG-0003tR-TK for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:07:44 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6MfJat017585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:41:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA6MfJdI017584; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:41:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from finney.org (226-132.adsl2.netlojix.net [207.71.226.132]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6MfHEt017574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:41:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hal@finney.org) Received: by finney.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id E323214F6BC; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:18:22 -0800 (PST) To: derek@ihtfp.com, nagydani@epointsystem.org Subject: Re: Next Steps Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Message-Id: <20071106221822.E323214F6BC@finney.org> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:18:22 -0800 (PST) From: hal@finney.org ("Hal Finney") Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c I would be very cautious about using RC4. Every year it seems to get weaker. In the past year alone there have been four new attacks on it published on the eprint.iacr.org servers: 2007/305, 2007/261, 2007/208, and 2007/070. I would not be at all enthusiastic about putting it into OpenPGP. I wonder if there is some better-vetted cipher which would be faster than AES, that might be usable. I'd also look into whether there might be an AES implementation that is better optimized for ARM (or whatever the processor is). Hal Finney PGP Corporation From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 06 18:24:44 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpXmm-0003Hl-GD for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:24:44 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpXmi-0004ee-2h for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:24:44 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6N5lLU019919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:05:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA6N5ltW019918; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:05:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [66.93.68.160]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6N5jIw019908 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:05:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jon@callas.org) Received: from keys.merrymeet.com (keys.merrymeet.com [66.93.68.161]) (Authenticated sender: jon) by merrymeet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF3A3A46DAE for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:05:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from [63.251.255.205] ([63.251.255.205]) by keys.merrymeet.com (PGP Universal service); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:05:43 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.merrymeet.com on Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:05:43 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20071106191200.GA19945@jabberwocky.com> References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> <20071106161300.GD12890@jabberwocky.com> <201FE06E-E9F4-44A9-9305-E78B312B7AA0@callas.org> <20071106191200.GA19945@jabberwocky.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: Cc: OpenPGP From: Jon Callas Subject: Re: OpenPGP CFB mode (was Re: Next Steps) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:05:38 -0800 To: David Shaw X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-PGP-Encoding-Format: Partitioned X-PGP-Encoding-Version: 2.0.2 X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7baded97d9887f7a0c7e8a33c2e3ea1b -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > Exactly. That's why I say that *if* we do this, we should do it as > part of V5 keys. It's not important enough to do on its own. > > I should add that I'm not exactly eager to go down the V5 keys path > without a good reason either. It would be nice to tweak some V4 > details (fingerprints being SHA-1), but I don't think those details > are compelling enough to justify a V5 by themselves. > We also had a proposal at one time for a fingerprint that would be of the form: : So all existing fingerprints would be 2:, and a SHA-256 version of same would be 8:. I love this idea. The best thing about it is that it would not need to change, even after AHS. I think someone ought to write up an ID for Algorithm-Agile OpenPGP Key Fingerprints or some other appropriate name. Jon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Universal 2.6.3 Charset: US-ASCII wj8DBQFHMPNHsTedWZOD3gYRAtBNAKDrYqVaYAYBjoC3qDCMSvJsDb9vDwCgwrIX HJZZ3Tn7opXW3nO3pODIWPU= =/X37 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 06 18:30:05 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpXrx-0007nf-90 for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:30:05 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpXru-0004t3-IE for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:30:05 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6NAB3I020270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:10:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA6NAB5p020269; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:10:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [66.93.68.160]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6NAAm9020263 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:10:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jon@callas.org) Received: from keys.merrymeet.com (keys.merrymeet.com [66.93.68.161]) (Authenticated sender: jon) by merrymeet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E553A46E8C for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:10:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [63.251.255.205] ([63.251.255.205]) by keys.merrymeet.com (PGP Universal service); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:10:10 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.merrymeet.com on Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:10:10 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20071106221822.E323214F6BC@finney.org> References: <20071106221822.E323214F6BC@finney.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: <28D06D7C-14B5-421A-A921-482D7327AFFF@callas.org> Cc: derek@ihtfp.com, nagydani@epointsystem.org, ietf-openpgp@imc.org From: Jon Callas Subject: Re: Next Steps Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:09:55 -0800 To: Hal Finney X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-PGP-Encoding-Format: Partitioned X-PGP-Encoding-Version: 2.0.2 X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 39bd8f8cbb76cae18b7e23f7cf6b2b9f -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 6, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Hal Finney wrote: > > I would be very cautious about using RC4. Every year it seems to get > weaker. In the past year alone there have been four new attacks on it > published on the eprint.iacr.org servers: 2007/305, 2007/261, > 2007/208, > and 2007/070. I would not be at all enthusiastic about putting it into > OpenPGP. Yes, but there are also ways that you can use RC4 to make it safer. I think that if there were an RC4 draft that had those things taken into account, it might be okay. This has the drawback of having OpenPGP having *another* eccentricity in its crypto use, but there's a good reason for the eccentricity. I'm willing to look at a sketch of how it could be made safe. Jon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Universal 2.6.3 Charset: US-ASCII wj4DBQFHMPRQsTedWZOD3gYRAkz8AJY3tkUwnQkRSOvEmJqcXnl6pCzRAKDjlsgs 6sMVmeRGWa6HFX1Igv4D5A== =q2Xo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 06 18:44:41 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpY65-0006Hx-JT for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:44:41 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpY61-0005Lo-TC for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:44:41 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6NRj0W023959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:27:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA6NRjHS023958; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:27:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from finney.org (226-132.adsl2.netlojix.net [207.71.226.132]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6NRhAk023950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:27:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hal@finney.org) Received: by finney.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 04B9014F6BC; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:04:49 -0800 (PST) To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Simplified OpenPGP Message-Id: <20071106230449.04B9014F6BC@finney.org> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:04:49 -0800 (PST) From: hal@finney.org ("Hal Finney") Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 10ba05e7e8a9aa6adb025f426bef3a30 My personal biggest wish list item is one we have discussed before. We need to do something to make OpenPGP easier to implement. IMO we need to rationalize and simplify our data structures. Too many warts have grown up over the years in the name of backwards compatibility and over-optimization. I see two directions we could go. The first is to specify an OpenPGP subset. We would remove as many of the alternative ways of doing things as possible: "Old" packet headers. String2Key specifiers other than salted+iterated. Non-MDC'd encryption packets. Unprefixed symmetrically encrypted packets. Signature packets without 1pass headers. The goal is to create a subset of OpenPGP which is backwards compatible in that messages created in this subset can be read by old OpenPGP clients, but not vice versa. The most widely used OpenPGP clients that participate here can be updated to only create in the subset. Then new implementors can ignore some fraction of the spec, making their job somewhat easier. However as the list above illustrates, this only gets us so far. We need to consider the essence of OpenPGP as being the options and crypto, and not the specific data formats. Imagine the set of transformations that could be executed reversibly by a straightforward program that converted between traditional and simplified formats. It would not understand crypto at all, but it would just do a reversible transformation into some other form. Of course it could not change the plaintext of encrypted packets, but imagine that this transformation program could be hooked into the encrypt/decrypt pipeline and apply as well to plaintext. My point is that creating a new OpenPGP format which is interchangeable with the current one via such a program would not be a semantic change to the OpenPGP spec, merely surface syntax. I am not proposing that such a program would exist, rather that the existence of such a transformation would guide and constrain the kinds of syntactic changes we should consider. This would allow us to get rid of the whole concept of old and new packet headers, and instead define a simple and extensible header concept, that can support either prefixed-length or dynamic-length packets. We can fix our other data structures to simplify parsing and packet creation. The hodgepodge of different ways of specifying lengths, the kludges related to secret key packet encryption, over-optimized bitfield packing, can be streamlined. I don't see creating a new specification based on these principles as an enormous task. It is merely another way of encoding the same information that is already described in the spec. Ideally we could make this change independently of other proposed extensions to OpenPGP semantics or cryptography. Several problems remain. How would we make a transition to using a new and completely incompatible format? And what about legacy messages and keys? Some keys have expiration dates decades in the future; key signatures using current packet formats were expected to retain their validity for that long. We can't change packet formats on signed data without breaking signatures. These appear solvable. We can handle the switchover exactly as we have handled the introduction of other incompatible changes such as new packet types. At first we support both versions and create one or the other kind of message depending on clues about the recipient, like the vintage of his key. At some further point we start using the new formats 100%. As far as legacy data: First, expectations of multi decade validity of signatures may be unreasonable due to the inherent relative weakening of cryptography as time passes. In practice it may be acceptable to demand that signatures get re-issued periodically to confirm their validity. However in the mean time we would still have a number of years in which such expectations would be arguably more reasonable, and we cannot realistically just start ignoring today's signatures any time soon. In that case it may be helpful to consider the transformation program I described above not just as a figure of speech to motivate the distinction between semantics and syntax, but as an actual tool. Perhaps an open source version of such a program could be created and distributed which could turn an OpenPGP message of one format into the other. Then, keys and signed messages could be transformed into the new format and stored in that way, and when it was time to verify them they could be automatically transformed back. Well, this message has become quite a bit longer than I intended. I don't claim to have all the answers, and there may be other objections which make the idea untenable. But if we think of this standard as something which will last for decades, as I would suggest we should, maybe it makes sense to make changes now which will bring benefits for many many years to come. 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Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:22:03 +0200 From: "Marko Kreen" To: OpenPGP Subject: Re: OpenPGP CFB mode (was Re: Next Steps) In-Reply-To: <20071106191200.GA19945@jabberwocky.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> <20071106161300.GD12890@jabberwocky.com> <201FE06E-E9F4-44A9-9305-E78B312B7AA0@callas.org> <20071106191200.GA19945@jabberwocky.com> Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 On 11/6/07, David Shaw wrote: > On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 10:46:49AM -0800, Jon Callas wrote: > > Unless a mode change is folded in with a compelling other reason, I > > don't see it's worth the bother. Every system has warts. This is not > > a large one. > > Exactly. That's why I say that *if* we do this, we should do it as > part of V5 keys. It's not important enough to do on its own. > > I should add that I'm not exactly eager to go down the V5 keys path > without a good reason either. It would be nice to tweak some V4 > details (fingerprints being SHA-1), but I don't think those details > are compelling enough to justify a V5 by themselves. Agreed. But instead of V5 keys maybe this should be tied to stream ciphers? So instead of _just_ a new mode for block ciphers, there should be spec for stream ciphers and there could be block ciphers in counter mode added. So now the question becomes - are stream ciphers worth it? -- marko From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Wed Nov 07 04:39:49 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IphO1-0002Fz-Fi for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 04:39:49 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IphNy-0000aj-44 for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 04:39:49 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA79LkTG068014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 7 Nov 2007 02:21:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA79LkPD068013; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 02:21:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from kerckhoffs.g10code.com (kerckhoffs.g10code.com [217.69.77.222]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA79LiMh068006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 02:21:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wk@gnupg.org) Received: from uucp by kerckhoffs.g10code.com with local-rmail (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1IphEf-00059O-DA for ; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:30:09 +0100 Received: from wk by localhost with local (Exim 4.62 #1 (Debian)) id 1Iph3p-0003r6-He; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:18:58 +0100 From: Werner Koch To: Ian G Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Next Steps References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> <473085CA.7050006@systemics.com> Organisation: g10 Code GmbH OpenPGP: id=5B0358A2; url=finger:wk@g10code.com Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:18:56 +0100 In-Reply-To: <473085CA.7050006@systemics.com> (Ian G.'s message of "Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:18:34 +0100") Message-ID: <87sl3ih0qn.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:18, iang@systemics.com said: > supposing that we do proceed to do a next generation, are we planning > on a "big" change over a 10 year cycle, or are we planning on a > "small" change with only modest fix-ups? We should sync us with the NIST hash competition so that a new version would be due not before 4 years from now. Although SHA-3 will be a drop-in replacement for SHA-2, my understanding is that there will be suggestions on new usage modes like randomization of hashing. That requires substantial changes to OpenPGP. Salam-Shalom, Werner -- Die Gedanken sind frei. Auschnahme regelt ein Bundeschgesetz. From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Wed Nov 07 04:41:36 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IphPk-0004Dr-2H for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 04:41:36 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IphPh-0000dO-K4 for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 04:41:36 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA79GlQO067677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 7 Nov 2007 02:16:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA79Gl8m067676; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 02:16:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from kerckhoffs.g10code.com (kerckhoffs.g10code.com [217.69.77.222]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA79GhGP067662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 02:16:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wk@gnupg.org) Received: from uucp by kerckhoffs.g10code.com with local-rmail (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1Iph9o-000578-4T for ; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:25:08 +0100 Received: from wk by localhost with local (Exim 4.62 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ipgwq-0003qk-5g; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:11:44 +0100 From: Werner Koch To: Jon Callas Cc: OpenPGP Subject: Re: OpenPGP CFB mode References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> <20071106161300.GD12890@jabberwocky.com> <201FE06E-E9F4-44A9-9305-E78B312B7AA0@callas.org> Organisation: g10 Code GmbH OpenPGP: id=5B0358A2; url=finger:wk@g10code.com Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:11:43 +0100 In-Reply-To: <201FE06E-E9F4-44A9-9305-E78B312B7AA0@callas.org> (Jon Callas's message of "Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:46:49 -0800") Message-ID: <87wssuh12o.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:46, jon@callas.org said: > If we put in some new mode, the implementations will have to support > them both for years. If a major or quasi-major implementation balks, We are often specifying things in the context that some messages must be kept confidential for decades. Thus an implementation needs to support if for ore than just a few years. Even after 20 years people might want to look at archived emails. Agreed, the public key might not be anymore safe at that time but I doubt that anyone will go for cracking a key just for reading some old mails. Tying a new cipher mode to the key version (v5) is not a good idea because OpenPGP is also used for symmetric only encryption. Thus if we want to move to a new (not patent encumbered) mode it should be done when defining a new MDC format. Shalom-Salam, Werner -- Die Gedanken sind frei. Auschnahme regelt ein Bundeschgesetz. From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Wed Nov 07 07:09:28 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ipjiq-0006Hy-GF for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:09:28 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ipjin-00058w-0I for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:09:28 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA7Bb8Iu080090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 7 Nov 2007 04:37:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA7Bb8OJ080089; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 04:37:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from goten.sonance.net (goten.sonance.net [88.198.58.135]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA7Bb6uq080080 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 04:37:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from iang@systemics.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A191957C02; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:42:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from goten.sonance.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (goten.sonance.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b1cPx7zsWsTk; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:42:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from zhukov.local (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C2857BF8; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:42:31 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4731A360.2090801@systemics.com> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:37:04 +0100 From: Ian G User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hal Finney CC: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Simplified OpenPGP References: <20071106230449.04B9014F6BC@finney.org> In-Reply-To: <20071106230449.04B9014F6BC@finney.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 Hal Finney wrote: > My personal biggest wish list item is one we have discussed before. We > need to do something to make OpenPGP easier to implement. IMO we need > to rationalize and simplify our data structures. Too many warts have > grown up over the years in the name of backwards compatibility and > over-optimization. I don't need to read any further to know that it gets my vote! (But I will anyway.) iang From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Wed Nov 07 07:23:25 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpjwL-0003pv-Uv for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:23:25 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpjwI-0005UN-6s for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:23:25 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA7BvlvO081985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 7 Nov 2007 04:57:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA7BvlKC081984; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 04:57:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.247]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA7Bvkf1081978 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 04:57:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from buanzo@buanzo.com.ar) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d17so365089and for ; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 03:57:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.248.9 with SMTP id v9mr10548249anh.1194436665916; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 03:57:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.10.0.4? ( [201.235.164.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b45sm6260949hsa.2007.11.07.03.57.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 03:57:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4731A827.4070305@buanzo.com.ar> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:57:27 -0300 From: "Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman" Organization: GNU/Buanzo User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071022) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ian G CC: Hal Finney , ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Simplified OpenPGP References: <20071106230449.04B9014F6BC@finney.org> <4731A360.2090801@systemics.com> In-Reply-To: <4731A360.2090801@systemics.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: id=6857704D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Ian G wrote: > I don't need to read any further to know that it gets my vote! I read it from head to tail, and I quite like the idea. Given how big is getting OpenPGP, a simplified, well-defined subset is an important need that will open the doors to more OpenPGP Mobile and embedded implementations, and will also be (on a personal note here) of great use for the OpenPGP Extensions to HTTP I'm working on. - -- Arturo "Buanzo" Busleiman - Consultor Independiente en Seguridad Informatica Servicios Ofrecidos: http://www.buanzo.com.ar/pro/ Unase a los Foros GNU/Buanzo - La palabra Comunidad en su maxima expresion. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHMagnAlpOsGhXcE0RCjosAJ98jPkeZkirYUcbiGPQntTAT9JShgCfelkr BUVw2mIcc2DvXilYlPw5XuY= =AtVx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Wed Nov 07 08:05:37 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpkbB-0007ik-6o for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:05:37 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ipkb8-0007GK-Kr for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:05:37 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA7Cfka1085327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:41:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA7Cfk3e085326; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:41:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from kerckhoffs.g10code.com (kerckhoffs.g10code.com [217.69.77.222]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA7Cfi4R085316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:41:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wk@gnupg.org) Received: from uucp by kerckhoffs.g10code.com with local-rmail (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1IpkMC-00046t-Ti for ; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:50:08 +0100 Received: from wk by localhost with local (Exim 4.62 #1 (Debian)) id 1IpkAB-0000Oo-Sn; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:37:44 +0100 From: Werner Koch To: hal@finney.org ("Hal Finney") Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Simplified OpenPGP References: <20071106230449.04B9014F6BC@finney.org> Organisation: g10 Code GmbH OpenPGP: id=5B0358A2; url=finger:wk@g10code.com Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:37:43 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20071106230449.04B9014F6BC@finney.org> (Hal Finney's message of "Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:04:49 -0800 (PST)") Message-ID: <87sl3i5izs.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 69a74e02bbee44ab4f8eafdbcedd94a1 On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 00:04, hal@finney.org said: > The goal is to create a subset of OpenPGP which is backwards compatible in > that messages created in this subset can be read by old OpenPGP clients, > but not vice versa. The most widely used OpenPGP clients that participate > here can be updated to only create in the subset. Then new implementors > can ignore some fraction of the spec, making their job somewhat easier. I agree to define a subset for a minimal implementation. However I don't think we will ever be able to drop all of the old cruft from the specs. Too many data has been encrypted and signed using OpenPGP and thus there is a real need to be able to process such data. BTW, the bit twiddling we use and the various ways of encoding packet headers are still much simpler than the X.509 or CMS way of describing and encoding things. Creating a fully compliant OpenPGP parser is not a big task and actually very simple code. Compare that to a full BER/DER parser as required by X.509/CMS. > I don't see creating a new specification based on these principles > as an enormous task. It is merely another way of encoding the same > information that is already described in the spec. Ideally we could That would not be anymore OpenPGP but a new protocol. I doubt that there is a community interest in doing so. CMS is getting used more and more and OpenPGP already has a hard time to stand up against CMS. Adding a new variant of OpenPGP would be the death for it. Salam-Shalom, Werner -- Die Gedanken sind frei. Auschnahme regelt ein Bundeschgesetz. From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Wed Nov 07 08:46:39 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IplEt-0000Td-8y for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:46:39 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IplEp-0000hV-RR for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:46:39 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA7DN1l0089400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 7 Nov 2007 06:23:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA7DN1h1089399; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 06:23:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ihtfp.org (MAIL.IHTFP.ORG [204.107.200.6]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA7DMwkT089389 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 06:23:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from derek@ihtfp.com) Received: from pgpdev.ihtfp.org (PGPDEV.IHTFP.ORG [204.107.200.23]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cliodev.ihtfp.com", Issuer "IHTFP Consulting Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by mail.ihtfp.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE8DBD8556; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:22:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from warlord@localhost) by pgpdev.ihtfp.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lA7DMvtT018903; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:22:57 -0500 To: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Next Steps References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> <20071106151602.GB18459@epointsystem.org> From: Derek Atkins Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:22:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20071106151602.GB18459@epointsystem.org> (Daniel A. Nagy's message of "Tue\, 6 Nov 2007 16\:16\:02 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) writes: > No, it is not. A single block operation takes almost half a second on > NOKIA 3410, which means that encrypting a simple text message takes seconds, > which is not nice from a user experience PoV. Huh! Are you sure you're using an AES implementation that's optimized for your platform? You can get an order-of-magnitude improvement by optimizing the code (or running an assembler version). Obviously there are time/space tradeoffs to be made as well, but I find it hard to believe that it takes 500ms for a single block operation even in an optimized implementation. -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Wed Nov 07 09:59:37 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpmNV-0001pE-By for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:59:37 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpmNR-0003lK-TM for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:59:37 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA7Ed98D097222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:39:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA7Ed97b097221; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:39:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from goten.sonance.net (goten.sonance.net [88.198.58.135]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA7Ed76S097211 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:39:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from iang@systemics.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8390E57C02; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:44:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from goten.sonance.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (goten.sonance.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gM4qb59Dhfuq; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:44:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from zhukov.local (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 392EB57BF8; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:44:32 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4731CE09.2070100@systemics.com> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:39:05 +0100 From: Ian G User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Derek Atkins CC: "Daniel A. Nagy" , ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Next Steps References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> <20071106151602.GB18459@epointsystem.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4adaf050708fb13be3316a9eee889caa Derek Atkins wrote: > nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) writes: > >> No, it is not. A single block operation takes almost half a second on >> NOKIA 3410, which means that encrypting a simple text message takes seconds, >> which is not nice from a user experience PoV. > > Huh! Are you sure you're using an AES implementation that's optimized > for your platform? You can get an order-of-magnitude improvement by > optimizing the code (or running an assembler version). Obviously there > are time/space tradeoffs to be made as well, but I find it hard to > believe that it takes 500ms for a single block operation even in an > optimized implementation. Dani probably knows what he is doing. The mobile phone is a particularly difficult device, and unlike ordinary PC platforms, performance is a very big issue. Also, the security model is somewhat different to the normal OpenPGP world. Dani's security model is more about transactional security and less about being able to crack the encryption. OpenPGP's security model derives from the 80s and early 90s when every radical in the world was fighting governments with acres of cryptocrunching big iron. Quite different worlds and quite different viewpoints. (OK, I might know a little more than said here because I've talked to Dani at times about it, and there are lots of "gotchas". From my understanding of payment systems and the like, he doesn't need to guarantee 100% that the message is unreadable, because there are too many other end-node threats for that to be valuable.) That said, it is a good question for the OpenPGP community: do we accept a weaker algorithm for edge cases? The answer is historically, "maybe," IMHO. We, as a community, have not moved aggressively in the past to repair every weakness, which indicates that our world of users is dominated by "good enough" not "perfect". Long discussion.... iang From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Wed Nov 07 10:05:22 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpmT4-0006oT-6u for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:05:22 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpmT1-00041w-NF for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:05:22 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA7ElDVM097990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:47:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA7ElD2B097989; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:47:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from goten.sonance.net (goten.sonance.net [88.198.58.135]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA7ElCtC097979 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:47:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from iang@systemics.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E01C57C05; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:52:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from goten.sonance.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (goten.sonance.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GkJ6MXIU0PJc; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:52:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from zhukov.local (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6665757C04; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:52:37 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4731CFEE.4070004@systemics.com> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:47:10 +0100 From: Ian G User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Werner Koch CC: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Next Steps References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> <473085CA.7050006@systemics.com> <87sl3ih0qn.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> In-Reply-To: <87sl3ih0qn.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 7baded97d9887f7a0c7e8a33c2e3ea1b Werner Koch wrote: > On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:18, iang@systemics.com said: > >> supposing that we do proceed to do a next generation, are we planning >> on a "big" change over a 10 year cycle, or are we planning on a >> "small" change with only modest fix-ups? > > We should sync us with the NIST hash competition so that a new version > would be due not before 4 years from now. > > Although SHA-3 will be a drop-in replacement for SHA-2, my understanding > is that there will be suggestions on new usage modes like randomization > of hashing. That requires substantial changes to OpenPGP. Yes, this is where I was heading with my question on big cycle versus small. When OpenPGP started as a working group, we knew X as a community about crypto. That X was some large delta away from what PRZ and his large team of helpers know 5-10 years earlier. Call their knowledge V. Now, 10 years later again, we know X plus another big delta, call it Y. The whole issue of HMACs is post-OpenPGP's inception, and block encryption algorithm design process has been radicalised by the AES competition. Fixing the message digest "weakness" actually has more ramifications than just changing the current one. Threat models and security models are now informed by actual heavy experience. Etc etc. I wonder if the answer is that we should bite the bullet and say: let's plan on another 10 year cycle. That is, let's spend an entire year just discussing what the next generation OpenPGP should look like. Alternatively, we might fall in the trap of trying to squeeze too many short term fixes in and still take a decade. iang From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Wed Nov 07 14:32:21 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpqdR-0007kQ-RT for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:32:21 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpqdL-0006IF-Up for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:32:21 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA7JETIZ023907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:14:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA7JETvN023906; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:14:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [66.93.68.160]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA7JES7R023896 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:14:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jon@callas.org) Received: from keys.merrymeet.com (keys.merrymeet.com [66.93.68.161]) (Authenticated sender: jon) by merrymeet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95A7FA4C602 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:14:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.93.68.165] ([66.93.68.165]) by keys.merrymeet.com (PGP Universal service); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:14:27 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.merrymeet.com on Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:14:27 -0800 In-Reply-To: <87sl3ih0qn.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> <473085CA.7050006@systemics.com> <87sl3ih0qn.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: Cc: Ian G , ietf-openpgp@imc.org From: Jon Callas Subject: Re: Next Steps Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:14:21 -0800 To: Werner Koch X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-PGP-Encoding-Format: Partitioned X-PGP-Encoding-Version: 2.0.2 X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0ddefe323dd869ab027dbfff7eff0465 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > We should sync us with the NIST hash competition so that a new version > would be due not before 4 years from now. > > Although SHA-3 will be a drop-in replacement for SHA-2, my > understanding > is that there will be suggestions on new usage modes like > randomization > of hashing. That requires substantial changes to OpenPGP. That is not my understanding. There are people who want that. But there are people who point out that if you require something like salted hashing for a hash function, then it loses its most valuable facet -- that it is a hash function. The latter group are all of us who have to implement these in real world systems. As I understand the consensus, there is value in having people define modes of operation for hash functions like salted hashes, that's good. And defining how you'd use a salted hash into a signature might be good. But requiring a mode of operation would be like creating CFB along with AES. Modes of operation can be used with *any* underlying function. We can, and should separate any mode of operation from the other discussion. The whole point of salted hashing, for example, is to compensate for broken hash functions, and making a hash function that works is a better solution. If 4880 were still open, I'd drop in constants SHA-3 for all four of its lengths, and we'd be done, just as we were for AES. Now, that would be a short RFC. Jon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Universal 2.6.3 Charset: US-ASCII wj8DBQFHMg6RsTedWZOD3gYRAvAUAJ9NjAYzvydP5XadfMVhN2LenNUJ/wCcCNOh o47ufH5YLxwyseX6O/n8Ajo= =rRqF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Wed Nov 07 14:51:24 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ipqvs-0003St-7h for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:51:24 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ipqvo-00070g-Ma for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:51:24 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA7JKU7F024559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:20:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA7JKU5C024558; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:20:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [66.93.68.160]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA7JKU7M024550 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:20:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jon@callas.org) Received: from keys.merrymeet.com (keys.merrymeet.com [66.93.68.161]) (Authenticated sender: jon) by merrymeet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6108EA4C67B for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:20:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.93.68.165] ([66.93.68.165]) by keys.merrymeet.com (PGP Universal service); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:20:29 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.merrymeet.com on Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:20:29 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <87sl3i5izs.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> References: <20071106230449.04B9014F6BC@finney.org> <87sl3i5izs.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> Message-Id: <64AC8A56-8463-4C6F-A84F-45DB75921EA6@callas.org> From: Jon Callas Subject: Re: Simplified OpenPGP Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:20:27 -0800 To: OpenPGP X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-PGP-Encoding-Format: Partitioned X-PGP-Encoding-Version: 2.0.2 X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 39bd8f8cbb76cae18b7e23f7cf6b2b9f -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I also agree this is a great idea. It's one of those things I wanted to do a decade ago. What we're talking about is creating a *profile* of the base standard. The idea is that in general, you stick to the profile, and the profile allows less work on implementers. If the profile is successful in the wild, you can start deprecating the other features. Here are some things I might put in a profile: * Use only new-style headers and 5-byte lengths. * Use only AES-128 or AES-256. You have to implement 3DES, but don't use it. * Use only RSA 4096 bit public keys * Use SHA-256 and SHA-512 only. * Never use anything but an iterated-and-salted S2K. Jon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Universal 2.6.3 Charset: US-ASCII wj8DBQFHMg/9sTedWZOD3gYRArAWAJ4sFUE3mxnPOwL9Fpc3EKOX8kqtuQCgp0Ft MteJihOenFBwkDGTjlYTYlA= =1LoA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From isufu8@tom.com Wed Nov 07 18:30:59 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpuMN-00033n-8J for openpgp-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:30:59 -0500 Received: from [59.41.162.95] (helo=tom.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpuMK-0006wv-Pq for openpgp-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:30:57 -0500 From: =?GB2312?B?s8zLvMjh?= Subject: =?GB2312?B?s8zLvMjh?= To: openpgp-archive@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain;charset="GB2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: isufu8@tom.com Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:31:26 +0800 X-Priority: 2 X-Mailer: Foxmail 5.0 beta2 [cn] X-Spam-Score: 4.9 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 ¹ó¹«Ë¾Áìµ¼ ÄúºÃ£¡ ÎÒÊÇ¡¶ÏéÍú²ÆË°´úÀíÓÐÏÞ¹«Ë¾¡·µÄ£¬±¾¹«Ë¾ÓÐרҵ´ú¿ª¸÷ÖÖ·¢Æ±ÒµÎñ£¨¹úË°ºÍµØË°£©¡£ µãÊýÓŻݣ¬¿ÉÍøÉϲéѯ»òË°Îñ²éÑé¡£ »¶Ó­Öµ磺 ³Ì˼È᣺13826492405 Q Q£º446802536 ÓÊ Ï䣺yueshun08@126.com £¨´ËÐÅÏ¢³¤ÆÚÓÐЧ£© From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 08 03:03:46 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iq2Mc-0003tl-E6 for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:03:46 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iq2MZ-0004PZ-4W for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:03:46 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA87fl8Z073361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:41:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA87flto073360; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:41:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from kerckhoffs.g10code.com (kerckhoffs.g10code.com [217.69.77.222]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA87fi7U073349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:41:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wk@gnupg.org) Received: from uucp by kerckhoffs.g10code.com with local-rmail (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1Iq29R-00005K-TI for ; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:50:09 +0100 Received: from wk by localhost with local (Exim 4.62 #1 (Debian)) id 1Iq1yO-000320-WD; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:38:45 +0100 From: Werner Koch To: Jon Callas Cc: OpenPGP Subject: Re: Simplified OpenPGP References: <20071106230449.04B9014F6BC@finney.org> <87sl3i5izs.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> <64AC8A56-8463-4C6F-A84F-45DB75921EA6@callas.org> Organisation: g10 Code GmbH OpenPGP: id=5B0358A2; url=finger:wk@g10code.com Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:38:44 +0100 In-Reply-To: <64AC8A56-8463-4C6F-A84F-45DB75921EA6@callas.org> (Jon Callas's message of "Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:20:27 -0800") Message-ID: <87mytp1917.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:20, jon@callas.org said: > Here are some things I might put in a profile: I agree with all of that except for: > * Use only RSA 4096 bit public keys it is not a real problem for a modern desktop box but for small or embedded devices it is not going to work. There are also no smartycards in the foreseeable future that will support such a key length. Before settling on this we should investigate ECC based algorithms. Salam-Shalom, Werner -- Die Gedanken sind frei. Auschnahme regelt ein Bundeschgesetz. From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 08 03:03:46 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iq2Mc-0003tk-E6 for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:03:46 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iq2MZ-0004Pa-4Y for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:03:46 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA87klQ4073952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:46:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA87klg4073951; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:46:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from kerckhoffs.g10code.com (kerckhoffs.g10code.com [217.69.77.222]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA87kiPi073941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:46:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wk@gnupg.org) Received: from uucp by kerckhoffs.g10code.com with local-rmail (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1Iq2EI-00006S-42 for ; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:55:10 +0100 Received: from wk by localhost with local (Exim 4.62 #1 (Debian)) id 1Iq20W-00032L-MB; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:40:57 +0100 From: Werner Koch To: Jon Callas Cc: Ian G , ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Next Steps References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> <473085CA.7050006@systemics.com> <87sl3ih0qn.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> Organisation: g10 Code GmbH OpenPGP: id=5B0358A2; url=finger:wk@g10code.com Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:40:56 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Jon Callas's message of "Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:14:21 -0800") Message-ID: <87ir4d18xj.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:14, jon@callas.org said: > There are people who want that. But there are people who point out > that if you require something like salted hashing for a hash > function, then it loses its most valuable facet -- that it is a hash My point is that we can't know for sure right now, so better lets wait some time and evaluate the situation again. Shalom-Salam, Werner -- Die Gedanken sind frei. Auschnahme regelt ein Bundeschgesetz. From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 08 04:15:26 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iq3Ty-0004I7-1a for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 04:15:26 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iq3Ts-0006Xl-ID for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 04:15:26 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA88sdaI079120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 01:54:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA88sde4079119; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 01:54:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [66.93.68.160]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA88scFp079113 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 01:54:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jon@callas.org) Received: from keys.merrymeet.com (keys.merrymeet.com [66.93.68.161]) (Authenticated sender: jon) by merrymeet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72A09A54CC1 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:54:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.93.68.165] ([66.93.68.165]) by keys.merrymeet.com (PGP Universal service); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:54:38 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.merrymeet.com on Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:54:38 -0800 In-Reply-To: <87mytp1917.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> References: <20071106230449.04B9014F6BC@finney.org> <87sl3i5izs.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> <64AC8A56-8463-4C6F-A84F-45DB75921EA6@callas.org> <87mytp1917.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: <86426B1A-D363-4BB9-A6B8-6793AC06FB85@callas.org> Cc: OpenPGP From: Jon Callas Subject: Re: Simplified OpenPGP Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:54:37 -0800 To: Werner Koch X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-PGP-Encoding-Format: Partitioned X-PGP-Encoding-Version: 2.0.2 X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 7, 2007, at 11:38 PM, Werner Koch wrote: > > On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:20, jon@callas.org said: > >> Here are some things I might put in a profile: > > I agree with all of that except for: > >> * Use only RSA 4096 bit public keys > > it is not a real problem for a modern desktop box but for small or > embedded devices it is not going to work. There are also no > smartycards > in the foreseeable future that will support such a key length. Before > settling on this we should investigate ECC based algorithms. > Then pick a different size. I picked 4096 because it's big and apt to stay viable for the forseeable future. NIST's numbers say that 3072 is equivalent to a 128-bit key. On the other hand, I know there's still a lot of smartcards and the like that are stuck at 2048. I wouldn't go below 2048. Jon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Universal 2.6.3 Charset: US-ASCII wj8DBQFHMs7OsTedWZOD3gYRAtj7AKDYbvGsMs3Oy0zsF34YdkWl8qSLgQCg9QJD ln8WMTRiKs1x2h/rGeReaRE= =L3/p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 08 04:16:44 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iq3VE-0005Hl-NC for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 04:16:44 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iq3V9-0006b6-Dc for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 04:16:44 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA88qVve079008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 01:52:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA88qVFN079007; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 01:52:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [66.93.68.160]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA88qUi3078996 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 01:52:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jon@callas.org) Received: from keys.merrymeet.com (keys.merrymeet.com [66.93.68.161]) (Authenticated sender: jon) by merrymeet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE4D6A54CAA for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:52:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.93.68.165] ([66.93.68.165]) by keys.merrymeet.com (PGP Universal service); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:52:29 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.merrymeet.com on Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:52:29 -0800 In-Reply-To: <87ir4d18xj.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> <473085CA.7050006@systemics.com> <87sl3ih0qn.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> <87ir4d18xj.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: <13E5E90D-E8F9-4715-B6E1-6C9F2F18E35D@callas.org> Cc: Ian G , ietf-openpgp@imc.org From: Jon Callas Subject: Re: Next Steps Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:52:27 -0800 To: Werner Koch X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-PGP-Encoding-Format: Partitioned X-PGP-Encoding-Version: 2.0.2 X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 7, 2007, at 11:40 PM, Werner Koch wrote: > > On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:14, jon@callas.org said: > >> There are people who want that. But there are people who point out >> that if you require something like salted hashing for a hash >> function, then it loses its most valuable facet -- that it is a hash > > My point is that we can't know for sure right now, so better lets wait > some time and evaluate the situation again. > Okay, then we're in violent agreement. Jon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Universal 2.6.3 Charset: US-ASCII wj8DBQFHMs5NsTedWZOD3gYRAn/GAJoCkramNRaqRqixunV0tk+Y2hUnZQCgsvJr pRmidDKZ8YWx+75vE4Zp81I= =Pn2H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 08 05:16:32 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iq4R6-00030e-4p for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 05:16:32 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iq4R2-0008Ba-HL for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 05:16:32 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA89phi7083006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 02:51:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA89ph9i083005; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 02:51:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from h2np.net (sea.h2np.net [220.110.1.194]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA89pfP1082999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 02:51:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hironobu@mail.h2np.net) Received: from lax.h2np.net ([220.110.1.195] helo=mail.h2np.net) by h2np.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Iq430-0004jy-Az for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:51:38 +0900 From: Hironobu SUZUKI To: OpenPGP Subject: Re: Simplified OpenPGP In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:54:37 PST." <86426B1A-D363-4BB9-A6B8-6793AC06FB85@callas.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:51:38 +0900 Message-Id: Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 > Then pick a different size. I picked 4096 because it's big and apt to > stay viable for the forseeable future. NIST's numbers say that 3072 > is equivalent to a 128-bit key. On the other hand, I know there's > still a lot of smartcards and the like that are stuck at 2048. I > wouldn't go below 2048. I agree. Simplified OpenPGP should be just simplifed, I mean it is not used for financial B2B online service or so on. AES 128 / SHA256 / DSA 2048-224 / RSA 2048 / ECC 224 I think it is enough for a sort of casual cryptographic usage for next ten years. Regards, --- Hironobu SUZUKI Tokyo, Japan. http://h2np.net From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 08 12:18:57 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IqB1t-0005Bl-Md for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:18:57 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IqB1q-0004Jy-Qs for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:18:57 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA8GgD7N016318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:42:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA8GgDAW016317; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:42:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from goten.sonance.net (goten.sonance.net [88.198.58.135]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA8GgB1m016310 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:42:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from iang@systemics.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F25357C02; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:47:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from goten.sonance.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (goten.sonance.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iyhE7iKQMRVG; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:47:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from zhukov.local (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7D9C57BF8; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:47:36 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <47333C60.30503@systemics.com> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:42:08 +0100 From: Ian G User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jon Callas CC: Werner Koch , OpenPGP Subject: Re: Simplified OpenPGP References: <20071106230449.04B9014F6BC@finney.org> <87sl3i5izs.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> <64AC8A56-8463-4C6F-A84F-45DB75921EA6@callas.org> <87mytp1917.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> <86426B1A-D363-4BB9-A6B8-6793AC06FB85@callas.org> In-Reply-To: <86426B1A-D363-4BB9-A6B8-6793AC06FB85@callas.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e8a67952aa972b528dd04570d58ad8fe Jon Callas wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > On Nov 7, 2007, at 11:38 PM, Werner Koch wrote: > >> On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:20, jon@callas.org said: >> >>> Here are some things I might put in a profile: >> I agree with all of that except for: >> >>> * Use only RSA 4096 bit public keys >> it is not a real problem for a modern desktop box but for small or >> embedded devices it is not going to work. There are also no >> smartycards >> in the foreseeable future that will support such a key length. Before >> settling on this we should investigate ECC based algorithms. >> > > Then pick a different size. I picked 4096 because it's big and apt to > stay viable for the forseeable future. NIST's numbers say that 3072 > is equivalent to a 128-bit key. On the other hand, I know there's > still a lot of smartcards and the like that are stuck at 2048. I > wouldn't go below 2048. Again, violent agreement. I would say that the core OpenPGP thrust should be to create the profile for the biggest 800lb gorrilla market, which is the Intel-based PC. It's been the big platform for the last 25 years, and will be for the foreseeable future. Which has plenty of power to spare. So picking RSA and 4096 sounds good as a pencilled-in number for now. SHA-3 when it turns up. AES-256. Some new mode that is to be chosen in future violent & agreeable debate. Then, for the mobile guys, let them form a subgroup to create the "mobile profile." It will be completely different, and "weak" by the standards of the main group. No problem, different model. I am a great believer in one entire suite of algorithms melded together as a cohesive whole. No agility within. So I think the way forward is to pick a spot in the future, and create a great combination for then. And then stick to it. I say more on my singular view here: https://financialcryptography.com/mt/archives/000983.html http://iang.org/ssl/h1_the_one_true_cipher_suite.html which reflects the good old days of pgp 2 :) iang From dewwegg@126.com Thu Nov 08 15:45:10 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IqEFS-0002iq-Nj for openpgp-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:45:10 -0500 Received: from [116.21.225.104] (helo=126.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IqEFQ-0004L3-IG for openpgp-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:45:10 -0500 From: =?GB2312?B?wO65+sfs?= Subject: =?GB2312?B?xrG+3bT6wO0=?= To: openpgp-archive@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain;charset="GB2312" Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 04:45:09 +0800 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Foxmail 4.1 [cn] X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 ¹ó¹«Ë¾¸ºÔðÈË(¾­Àí/²ÆÎñ£©ÄúºÃ£º ÎÒÊǹãÖÝÊÐÈóÐÂʵҵÓÐÏÞ¹«Ë¾µÄ£¨ÉîÛÚ¡¢¶«Ý¸¡¢ÉϺ£¡¢ÏÃÃÅ¡¢º¼ÖÝ¡¢ËÕÖݵȵؾùÓÐ ·Ö¹«Ë¾£©¡£ÎÒ˾ʵÁ¦ÐÛºñ£¬ÓÐ×ÅÁ¼ºÃµÄÉç»á¹Øϵ¡£Òò½øÏî½Ï¶àÏÖÍê³É²»ÁËÿÔÂÏúÊÛ¶î¶È¡£ ÿÔÂÓÐÒ»²¿·ÖÔöֵ˰µçÄÔ·¢Æ±6%ºÍÆÕͨ·¢Æ±ÖÖÀàÈçÏ£ºÉÌÆ·ÏúÊÛË°·¢Æ±£¬µçÄÔÔËÊ䷢Ʊ£¬ ¹ã¸æ·¢Æ±×âÁÞÒµ·¢Æ±,·þÎñÒµ·¢Æ±µÈ (¹úË°µØË°£©1-2%ÓŻݴú¿ª»òºÏ×÷£¬µãÊý½ÏµÍ¡£»¹¿É ÒÔ¸ù¾ÝËù×öÊýÁ¿¶î¶ÈµÄ´óСÀ´ÉÌÌÖÓŻݵĵãÊý£¬¹«Ë¾³ÉÁ¢¶àÄêÒ»Ö±¼á³ÖÒÔ¡°³ÏÐÅ¡±ÎªÖÐ ÐÄ×÷Ϊ¹«Ë¾µÄºËÐÄ˼Ïë¡¢ÀιÌÊ÷Á¢¹«Ë¾ÐÎÏ󣬱¾¹«Ë¾Ö£ÖسÐŵËùÓþø¶ÔÊÇÕæƱ£¡¸üÏ£Íû Äܹ»Óлú»áÓë¹ó˾ºÏ×÷£¡ ¡¡¡¡ Èç¹ó˾ÔÚ·¢Æ±µÄÕæα·½ÃæÓÐÈκÎÒÉÂÇ»òµ£ÐÄ£¬¿ÉÉÏÍø²éÖ¤»òÎÒ˾ֱ½ÓÓë¹ó˾ȥ˰Îñ¾Ö µÖ¿ÛºË¶Ô¡£ ´ËÐÅÏ¢³¤ÆÚÓÐЧ£¬ÈçÐë½øÒ»²½Ç¢ÉÌ: ¡¡¡¡ÊÖ »ú:13631413607 ÓÊ Ï䣺runxin88808@126.com ¡¡¡¡ÁªÏµÈË£ºÀî¹úÇì ˳ף ÉÌì÷£¡ ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡ ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¹ãÖÝÊÐÈóÐÂʵҵÓÐÏÞ¹«Ë¾ From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Nov 08 17:35:44 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IqFyS-0006vP-EM for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:35:44 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IqFyP-00073b-Pa for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:35:44 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA8MF7Wd042010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:15:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA8MF7H5042008; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:15:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from ns4.neustar.com (ns4.neustar.com [156.154.24.139]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA8MF2hW041965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:15:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ietf@ietf.org) Received: from stiedprstage1.ietf.org (stiedprstage1.va.neustar.com [10.31.47.10]) by ns4.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A562AC7B; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 22:15:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ietf by stiedprstage1.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IqFeP-0005xo-Mz; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:15:01 -0500 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt Message-Id: Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:15:01 -0500 Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 31247fb3be228bb596db9127becad0bc --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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Sounds good, with one minor nitpick: I'd recommend combining DSA 2048 with SHA256, SHA224 is an oddball hash algorithm that seems to be rather poorly supported (compared to the mainstream SHA256/512), and if you're requiring SHA256 anyway there's no good reason not to just use that with DSA. Peter. 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Nagy) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 25620135586de10c627e3628c432b04a --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here are my thoughts on simplified OpenPGP. I don't think that there is one size that fits all. I think, we need at least three profiles: 1. Backwards compatibility profile. 3DES, SHA1, RSA2048 (for both encryption and signature) This is supported by most software and hardware and is reasonably secure. 2. Lightweight/mobile profile. Mobile considerations: Communication costs over GSM networks are measured in the multiples of 140 bytes (or 1120 bits), which cost about =E2=82=AC0.10. Asymmetrically encrypted session keys are equal to the public key length for RSA and twice that for ElGamal. Digital signatures are the size of the public key for RSA, and twice the size of the hash function for DSA variants. El-Gamal sitnatures weight twice the public key length, but that is irrelevant because there is no advantage in using El-Gamal over DSA. Randomness available in mobile phones is typically very poor. The reference implementation of SSL for mobiles has recently been broken because of that. Now, DSA signatures can reveal the private key(!) if the randomness source they use is bad. Thankfully, mobile SSL uses RSA signatures, thus poor randomness only hurts confidentiality but does not reveal any private key or theaten authenticity and integrity. As you can see, some of these considerations are in conflict. My take is that we should play it out in the real world and standardize on what works best later. 3. General PC profile. 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<7192D139-C934-4999-B9ED-DE678BFCB5D2@callas.org> Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org From: Jon Callas Subject: Re: Issue with RFC4880 IANA Registrations Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:24:02 -0800 To: Derek Atkins X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-PGP-Encoding-Format: Partitioned X-PGP-Encoding-Version: 2.0.2 X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7baded97d9887f7a0c7e8a33c2e3ea1b -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Let me take a step back. I think that may bring clarity. Notations are a name-value pair in a signature, with arbitrary binary data allowed as the name and value. (I would use the word "key" as that's more traditional in data structures, but that would be confusing.) If you allow arbitrary values for names, there's the possibility of collisions in names. Hence a registry is desirable. This registry is presently null. We also allowed for an unmanaged space of the form foo@example.com, for the owners of any example.com domain, and if they step on their own feet that's their problem. There is also metadata. The only metadata we have is the single flag. Beyond that flag, no one has thought of any other needed metadata, and even that one flag is something we seem to have consensus on, and that consensus is that it is more charming than useful. Thus, it seems we need a registry for those flags because if we don't, then a week from now someone will come up with a brilliant idea that needs one. Murphy's Law is like that. So there are two possible registries: one for the managed space of names, and one for extra metadata flags. Does this clear it up? Jon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Universal 2.6.3 Charset: US-ASCII wj8DBQFHP1vxsTedWZOD3gYRAsicAKD3edxNH9DpNes4r+Uiftx0KWvKeQCffQ09 khrjmNVMcNHsESqfZFz66eo= =uaQW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Sat Nov 17 17:11:05 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ItVsW-0004KQ-WB for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:11:05 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ItVsT-0006A3-Ht for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:11:04 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAHLqqxS029883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:52:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lAHLqqeK029882; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:52:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAHLqpXV029875 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:52:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.jabberwocky.com (c-75-69-177-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [75.69.177.157]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id lAHLqnM29350 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:52:49 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAHLqiIt020048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:52:45 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAHLqiOc004915 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:52:44 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lAHLqhtQ004914 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:52:43 -0500 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:52:43 -0500 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Issue with RFC4880 IANA Registrations Message-ID: <20071117215243.GA32010@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-05-20) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 On Fri, Nov 16, 2007 at 12:17:12PM -0500, Derek Atkins wrote: > There seems to be a disconnect between these two sections. My reading > of 10.2.2.1 is that there's a registry of the notation names, of which > there don't appear to be any defined in 5.2.3.16. Yes. An existing, but currently empty registry. > However there doesn't appear to be a registry of the "flags", of > which there IS a single entry (0x80) defined in 5.2.3.16. Yes. > So did we miss a needed registry or Notation Data Flags? Or are the > labels in 10.2.2.1 just not the same as the labels in 5.2.3.16 and the > label disconnect is causing confusion? My take is that, yes, we're missing a registry for the flags. I believe it should be an IETF CONSENSUS registry. 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------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C82AB1.CBF99A90-- From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Mon Nov 19 10:26:04 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iu8Vg-0006t4-Tu for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:26:04 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iu8VV-0000uS-67 for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:26:04 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAJEuFMl089424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:56:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lAJEuF22089423; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:56:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ihtfp.org (MAIL.IHTFP.ORG [204.107.200.6]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAJEuCAE089413 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:56:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from derek@ihtfp.com) Received: from pgpdev.ihtfp.org (hp1600-tcofc.newnanutilities.org [216.130.128.154]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cliodev.ihtfp.com", Issuer "IHTFP Consulting Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by mail.ihtfp.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AAF0BD8549; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:56:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from warlord@localhost) by pgpdev.ihtfp.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lAJEu1LI008973; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:56:01 -0500 To: Jon Callas Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org, hartmans-ietf@mit.edu Subject: Re: Issue with RFC4880 IANA Registrations References: <7192D139-C934-4999-B9ED-DE678BFCB5D2@callas.org> From: Derek Atkins Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:56:01 -0500 In-Reply-To: <7192D139-C934-4999-B9ED-DE678BFCB5D2@callas.org> (Jon Callas's message of "Sat\, 17 Nov 2007 13\:24\:02 -0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 Jon, Jon Callas writes: > Let me take a step back. I think that may bring clarity. > > Notations are a name-value pair in a signature, with arbitrary binary > data allowed as the name and value. (I would use the word "key" as > that's more traditional in data structures, but that would be > confusing.) If you allow arbitrary values for names, there's the > possibility of collisions in names. Hence a registry is desirable. > This registry is presently null. > > We also allowed for an unmanaged space of the form foo@example.com, > for the owners of any example.com domain, and if they step on their > own feet that's their problem. > > There is also metadata. The only metadata we have is the single flag. > Beyond that flag, no one has thought of any other needed metadata, > and even that one flag is something we seem to have consensus on, and > that consensus is that it is more charming than useful. Thus, it > seems we need a registry for those flags because if we don't, then a > week from now someone will come up with a brilliant idea that needs > one. Murphy's Law is like that. > > So there are two possible registries: one for the managed space of > names, and one for extra metadata flags. Does this clear it up? > > Jon Based on this (and David Shaw's) response, it sounds like there is a bug in the document, because we do NOT actually create that registry of "extra metadata flags" in the IANA considerations section. I've CC'd Sam on this and I'll talk to IANA to see what we need to do to correct this oversight. I hope we don't need a new document to correct it, but as the RFC has already been published I don't know what we can do. Can you actually create a registry in an errata? -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Mon Nov 19 12:31:44 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuATI-00023Q-6Q for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:31:44 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuATF-0005I4-Nv for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:31:44 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAJHBYX1001663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:11:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lAJHBYbT001662; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:11:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAJHBW9I001654 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:11:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.jabberwocky.com (c-75-69-177-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [75.69.177.157]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id lAJHBVM08795 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:11:31 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAJHBQ0v030596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:11:26 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAJHBQNq005395 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:11:26 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lAJHBP4A005394 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:11:25 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:11:24 -0500 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Issue with RFC4880 IANA Registrations Message-ID: <20071119171124.GA5353@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: <7192D139-C934-4999-B9ED-DE678BFCB5D2@callas.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-05-20) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 On Mon, Nov 19, 2007 at 09:56:01AM -0500, Derek Atkins wrote: > Based on this (and David Shaw's) response, it sounds like there > is a bug in the document, because we do NOT actually create that > registry of "extra metadata flags" in the IANA considerations section. > > I've CC'd Sam on this and I'll talk to IANA to see what we need > to do to correct this oversight. I hope we don't need a new document > to correct it, but as the RFC has already been published I don't > know what we can do. Can you actually create a registry in an > errata? If the errata path doesn't work out, we could publish a brand new "OpenPGP Notations" document that specifies a notation or two (maybe formalize the preferred-email-encoding@pgp.com notation into a standard one). That document could create the new registry. 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18:12:21 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAQMqAfJ086581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:52:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lAQMqAfs086580; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:52:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAQMq9ec086571 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:52:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.jabberwocky.com (c-75-69-177-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [75.69.177.157]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id lAQMq3M22868 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:52:03 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAQMpwbT000922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:51:58 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAQMpwNQ010802 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:51:58 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lAQMprG0010801 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:51:53 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:51:52 -0500 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt Message-ID: <20071126225152.GA10740@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-05-20) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 On Thu, Nov 08, 2007 at 05:15:01PM -0500, Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the An Open Specification for Pretty Good Privacy Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : The Camellia Cipher in OpenPGP > Author(s) : D. Shaw > Filename : draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt > Pages : 5 > Date : 2007-11-8 > > This document presents the necessary information to use the Camellia > symmetric cipher in the OpenPGP protocol. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt If folks could comment on this draft, I'd appreciate it. There may well be nothing to say (the draft is not particularly complex or controversial), in which case a "looks sane to me" comment would be appreciated. It's hard to tell the difference between silence because there are no objections and silence because there is no interest. David From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Mon Nov 26 18:41:42 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IwnaA-0002o8-Qs for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:41:42 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iwna6-000641-IC for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:41:42 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAQNPiaX089524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:25:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lAQNPiQX089523; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:25:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [66.93.68.160]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAQNPho9089517 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:25:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jon@callas.org) Received: from keys.merrymeet.com (keys.merrymeet.com [66.93.68.161]) (Authenticated sender: jon) by merrymeet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377FDAC235E for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:25:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.16.100] ([77.221.180.183]) by keys.merrymeet.com (PGP Universal service); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:25:43 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.merrymeet.com on Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:25:43 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20071126225152.GA10740@jabberwocky.com> References: <20071126225152.GA10740@jabberwocky.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org From: Jon Callas Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:25:48 -0800 To: David Shaw X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-PGP-Encoding-Format: Partitioned X-PGP-Encoding-Version: 2.0.2 X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4adaf050708fb13be3316a9eee889caa -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > If folks could comment on this draft, I'd appreciate it. > > There may well be nothing to say (the draft is not particularly > complex or controversial), in which case a "looks sane to me" comment > would be appreciated. It's hard to tell the difference between > silence because there are no objections and silence because there is > no interest. It looks sane to me. However, while RFC3713 specifies clearly that Camillia has a 128-bit block, I think you should too. Because of the eccentricities of what we do with CFB, block size is very important. I think it's wise to point out that has the same block size as AES and Twofish. It's just another sentence. One last question is why only 256-bit keys? Why not 128 and 256 (I don't see the point of 192-bit keys, myself)? There are many good answers to the question. For example, if Rijndael were not the AES and we were adding it in, a good answer would be that Rijndael-256 is only about 20% slower than Rijndael-128, and because of that, most people will use the 256-bit keys anyway; most Rijndael applications just go right to 256. Another answer, less good, is that we don't want to consume two cipher numbers. If there is a good technical reason, then it might also be good to put it in the draft, because people will wonder and presume that it's just because we only want to use one cipher number if you don't. Your draft is nice and elegant and short, and so you can add in a few more explanatory sentences. It will make the developer's life easier. Jon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Universal 2.6.3 Charset: US-ASCII wj8DBQFHS1X3sTedWZOD3gYRAhXFAJwOUBnM1bLUAIdJ7JaTBodUpidZ1wCgtDBp 6qmaQtBNRZM7/zrK4xwkEsU= =84Bb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 27 04:45:35 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iwx0Z-0000nz-F1 for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:45:35 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iwx0W-0000vb-4K for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:45:35 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAR9FKsc023761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:15:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lAR9FKbt023760; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:15:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from kerckhoffs.g10code.com (kerckhoffs.g10code.com [217.69.77.222]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAR9FI1T023754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:15:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wk@gnupg.org) Received: from uucp by kerckhoffs.g10code.com with local-rmail (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1IwwfP-0004Xi-4S for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:23:43 +0100 Received: from wk by localhost with local (Exim 4.62 #1 (Debian)) id 1IwwW4-0008Dw-Mk; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:14:04 +0100 From: Werner Koch To: Jon Callas Cc: David Shaw , ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt References: <20071126225152.GA10740@jabberwocky.com> Organisation: g10 Code GmbH OpenPGP: id=5B0358A2; url=finger:wk@g10code.com Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:14:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Jon Callas's message of "Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:25:48 -0800") Message-ID: <87myt0aw4j.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:25, jon@callas.org said: > One last question is why only 256-bit keys? Why not 128 and 256 (I > don't see the point of 192-bit keys, myself)? There are many good > answers to the question. For example, if Rijndael were not the AES An argument pro 128 bit is that you can do double as many independed encryption with a given amount of random numbers. This is an advantage on small systems and those where entropy is a scarce resource. Shalom-Salam, Werner -- Die Gedanken sind frei. Auschnahme regelt ein Bundeschgesetz. From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 27 05:53:09 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iwy3x-0002dW-CW for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:53:09 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iwy3t-0007W4-6a for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:53:09 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lARAV61l029985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 03:31:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lARAV6Ym029984; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 03:31:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.epointsystem.org (120.156-228-195.hosting.adatpark.hu [195.228.156.120]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lARAV5Kw029975 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 03:31:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nagydani@epointsystem.org) Received: by mail.epointsystem.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2C5A13CC3; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:28:42 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:28:42 +0100 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt Message-ID: <20071127102841.GA2956@epointsystem.org> References: <20071126225152.GA10740@jabberwocky.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071126225152.GA10740@jabberwocky.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7baded97d9887f7a0c7e8a33c2e3ea1b --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think that excluding 128-bit keys is not a good idea, because with EC ElGamal encryption (PK encryption with the shortest possible public key) that is the practical symmetric key size. Session keys that are longer than log2 of the cyclic group order used for El Gamal encryption do not provoide any additional security at all. There is also a multi-prime RSA variant (currently not surrpoted by OpenPGP but I might recommend it for V5) in which it is not practical to use 256-bit session keys for encryption. Regards, --=20 Daniel --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQDVAwUBR0vxWa6pEulQFnIMAQJfmwX/SqBiXKOz8DZE7GXTO4XbwlXU3H+IUWou xWBRG0+HIRV3VcW0a4POzD/+Cp/FJuNBPOXS3ZCCs/EBhBiRDlRscEz45mtFarcO P/w1vKO83qXePG9r7njbiEfY3rvwHQoU/fqCU1EBWmbGq66srPPWxCfn/0Nv5/h6 bH1E9A6K5xsUzljmD2Ud7UVy+iYCtWepvTyqQO0HRbgYE9RvyVWrU2vu1fjnSoSk VgsdfyTH6ap3oMywfdOtI0olwVP7TaxL =rtfB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS-- From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 27 08:20:10 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ix0ME-0001NL-Cf for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:20:10 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ix0MD-0008Vm-Tx for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:20:10 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lARCxZO3039058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:59:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lARCxZPT039057; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:59:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.237]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lARCxYHE039050 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:59:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dacrick@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id n1so713299nzf for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:59:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=BLKfsWrMaaIY76GXh3d8w9Mtl3aCZZqxqIKc3GIQftM=; b=Mo2415yvFMXO7wL86CFpDurqHUC8WAvrWUaViN5s72kwsQhOJ6b4uT599Q1XZv3BHqLDd6sl/HKC5r7eZjDeCYE7CR6GSkfMnw0PRyEQhNzgWkAEPN+sHl3HwKEGqrxqIaoPP/NnJM6b69YMrhu1Ni41k7kzFnycVOcr+Di32MQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=EQjxDoU6OwbgyU1T+Jumzi8nPTipDbhsyCdPB/idGGIzv6C/mYWYndU5idzTCuBtEQQbAXisd3GJkBGgMw5TsB4PFF9cV+dopgskjxcz8QcxGQOE1xI1gPJ04cLHkavLLG2snzuJNarp8p1IB8JTtgMX//gDFA0+J+hA8ub6xqI= Received: by 10.142.242.8 with SMTP id p8mr839054wfh.1196168373407; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:59:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.72.8 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:59:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <117bad160711270459u62ad62d6nf0586f832f64e96c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:59:33 +0000 From: "David Crick" To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cab78e1e39c4b328567edb48482b6a69 The reason only 256-bit keys were proposed was due to Hironobu SUZUKI's initial request: http://www.imc.org/ietf-openpgp/mail-archive/msg15591.html key-length discussions happened here: http://www.imc.org/ietf-openpgp/mail-archive/msg15674.html http://www.imc.org/ietf-openpgp/mail-archive/msg15677.html http://www.imc.org/ietf-openpgp/mail-archive/msg15678.html http://www.imc.org/ietf-openpgp/mail-archive/msg15679.html the final message likened the situation with only 256-bit key Twofish. HOWEVER, in addition to Daniel's technical comment in: http://www.imc.org/ietf-openpgp/mail-archive/msg20265.html I personally wonder if we also should take this opportunity to add a 128-bit key+length alternative to AES in OpenPGP, just because there currently isn't one. One could argue about adding 128-bit Twofish as well/instead, as it's been around longer and also went through the deep AES process scrutiny. However, on Camellia's side, it is a post-AES cipher, and so benefits from more recent insights / design trade-offs, PLUS it has gone through the scrutiny of both NESSIE and CRYPTREC. In addition it's already implemented (in both 128-bit and 256-bit lengths) in applications (e.g. the Linux kernel and Firefox 3.0 [beta]). One outstanding question I see: have we ever had a reply back from NTT giving an IPR statement SPECIFICALLY for OpenPGP, as requested by Hironobu SUZUKI here? http://www.imc.org/ietf-openpgp/mail-archive/msg15676.html This was intended to clarify the general statement given here: http://www.imc.org/ietf-openpgp/mail-archive/msg15607.html From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 27 10:54:49 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ix2lt-0000oG-Ex for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:54:49 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ix2ls-0002gx-Nw for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:54:49 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lARFXcjZ053589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:33:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lARFXcOH053588; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:33:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from h2np.net (sea.h2np.net [220.110.1.194]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lARFXaXb053579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:33:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hironobu@mail.h2np.net) Received: from lax.h2np.net ([220.110.1.195] helo=mail.h2np.net) by h2np.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ix2RK-0006q4-2U; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:33:34 +0900 From: Hironobu SUZUKI To: "David Crick" cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt In-reply-to: <117bad160711270459u62ad62d6nf0586f832f64e96c@mail.gmail.com> References: <117bad160711270459u62ad62d6nf0586f832f64e96c@mail.gmail.com> Comments: In-reply-to "David Crick" message dated "Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:59:33 +0000." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.0.3; nmh 1.2; GNU Emacs 22.1.1 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:33:33 +0900 Message-ID: <23031.1196177613@mail.h2np.net> Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b19722fc8d3865b147c75ae2495625f2 David Crick wrote: > > One could argue about adding 128-bit Twofish as well/instead, > as it's been around longer and also went through the deep AES > process scrutiny. However, on Camellia's side, it is a post-AES > cipher, and so benefits from more recent insights / design > trade-offs, PLUS it has gone through the scrutiny of both > NESSIE and CRYPTREC. In addition it's already implemented > (in both 128-bit and 256-bit lengths) in applications (e.g. the > Linux kernel and Firefox 3.0 [beta]). I have no objection against your opinion that about Camellia. It is well designed cipher. I mentioned that most important thing is that we need 256-bit for some security reason for OpenPGP. http://www.imc.org/ietf-openpgp/mail-archive/msg20263.html > One outstanding question I see: have we ever had a reply back > from NTT giving an IPR statement SPECIFICALLY for OpenPGP, as > requested by Hironobu SUZUKI here? Yes. I already have discussed about it with a NTT person who is a team leader of Camellia project. They will give an IPR for OpenPGP. Regards, --- Hironobu SUZUKI Tokyo, Japan. http://h2np.net From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 27 12:05:15 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ix3s3-0008JN-9H for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:05:15 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ix3s2-0001Sg-T5 for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:05:15 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lARGfdoe059540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:41:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lARGfdnc059539; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:41:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.epointsystem.org (120.156-228-195.hosting.adatpark.hu [195.228.156.120]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lARGfcwM059533 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:41:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nagydani@epointsystem.org) Received: by mail.epointsystem.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CB10D3D08; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:39:15 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:39:15 +0100 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt Message-ID: <20071127163915.GC2956@epointsystem.org> References: <20071126225152.GA10740@jabberwocky.com> <87myt0aw4j.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> <474C46C5.2010009@systemics.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3siQDZowHQqNOShm" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <474C46C5.2010009@systemics.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 --3siQDZowHQqNOShm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 05:33:09PM +0100, Ian G wrote: > To me, this doesn't argue for 128 bit keys. You can achieve=20 > the same effect by taking 128 bits of randomness and adding=20 > 128 0's on the end. Just to rephrase: you suggest that randomness-starved platforms use fewer bits of the key space? Fine. It's their choice, consistent with the present wording of the standard. > Same comments I think apply to Dani's email. No, because in my case you would still need a different symmetric algorithm designation. Or you need to specify in the standard that if the session key does not fit into one public key encrypted session key packet then such and such actions need to be taken. The two objections against not including 128-bit versions are not equivalen= t. --=20 Daniel --3siQDZowHQqNOShm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQDVAwUBR0xIMq6pEulQFnIMAQI/fAYAk5s4FGtCx/pS4rv09/9LmZ2itjkCnsSn pNGhYu6XmH2Nbsx4NtQdWkODTj2+tpWmQR4cxJkVysPetRp3LjGp2YvMyphHxW5Y QSqqbzpO7Ladp/++AYxyGZjmtyEyvvrcia8WAnEdBo+hzQN+pYX0ANiLI2iHBL7v SSX7LQzM7/C5Yz2XStWjxMVSGU+zG70MZemgijU5GEF/+Kfv8tQFStCLzkiTyz3p hYLBT3egUmzh3V6JcK2hnoPD9YHk4pyd =naMp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3siQDZowHQqNOShm-- From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Tue Nov 27 12:05:53 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ix3sf-0008Vn-DX for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:05:53 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ix3se-0001aL-W9 for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:05:53 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lARGX3Sl058846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:33:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lARGX35L058845; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:33:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from goten.sonance.net (goten.sonance.net [88.198.58.135]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lARGX19m058836 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:33:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from iang@systemics.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 744CC57BE9; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:38:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from goten.sonance.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (goten.sonance.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zEiViUh2uq1U; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:38:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from zhukov.local (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357E157B8E; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:38:52 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <474C46C5.2010009@systemics.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:33:09 +0100 From: Ian G User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Werner Koch CC: "Daniel A. Nagy" , ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt References: <20071126225152.GA10740@jabberwocky.com> <87myt0aw4j.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> In-Reply-To: <87myt0aw4j.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 39bd8f8cbb76cae18b7e23f7cf6b2b9f Werner Koch wrote: > On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:25, jon@callas.org said: > >> One last question is why only 256-bit keys? Why not 128 and 256 (I >> don't see the point of 192-bit keys, myself)? There are many good >> answers to the question. For example, if Rijndael were not the AES > > An argument pro 128 bit is that you can do double as many independed > encryption with a given amount of random numbers. This is an advantage > on small systems and those where entropy is a scarce resource. To me, this doesn't argue for 128 bit keys. You can achieve the same effect by taking 128 bits of randomness and adding 128 0's on the end. Same comments I think apply to Dani's email. Unless there is a marked speed difference, I think it reasonable to specify 256 bit key ciphers and expand shorter keys out. Jon mentioned that with AES, there is a 20% slow down from 128 to 256, in AES not Camelia. That to me suggests that, in principle, we only specify 256 bit keys, and drop the 128 bit cipher (*). If there is a speed issue, then likely 20% isn't going to solve it and there should be a "mobile profile" or proper "cipher suite". iang PS: (*) I am not arguing to drop 128 bit AES, just the principle of the thing. From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Wed Nov 28 01:23:52 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IxGKu-00078k-HB for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:23:52 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IxGKs-0007NT-Ev for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:23:52 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAS61qNo009192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:01:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lAS61q8C009191; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:01:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from h2np.net (sea.h2np.net [220.110.1.194]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAS61o6n009185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:01:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hironobu@mail.h2np.net) Received: from lax.h2np.net ([220.110.1.195] helo=mail.h2np.net) by h2np.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IxFzY-0000Vm-FT; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:01:48 +0900 From: Hironobu SUZUKI To: Hironobu SUZUKI cc: "David Crick" , ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt In-reply-to: <23031.1196177613@mail.h2np.net> References: <117bad160711270459u62ad62d6nf0586f832f64e96c@mail.gmail.com> <23031.1196177613@mail.h2np.net> Comments: In-reply-to Hironobu SUZUKI message dated "Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:33:33 +0900." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.0.3; nmh 1.2; GNU Emacs 22.1.1 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:01:48 +0900 Message-ID: <21317.1196229708@mail.h2np.net> Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb Hironobu SUZUKI wrote: > Yes. I already have discussed about it with a NTT person who is a team > leader of Camellia project. They will give an IPR for OpenPGP. When I sent my email to him yesterday, he replied very quickly. "It was done at 6 month ago". And NTT Licensing Group did their job very quickly. OMG ;-) IPR is as below: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/861/ Submitted Date: July 4, 2007 I. Patent Holder/Applicant ("Patent Holder") Legal Name: Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Company and Mitsubishi Electric Corporation II. Patent Holder's Contact for License Application Name: Isamu Yoshimatsu Title: Senior Manager, Licensing Group Department: Intellectual Property Center Address1: Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Corporation III. IETF Document or Other Contribution to Which this IPR Disclosure Relates: Designations for Other Contributions: Camellia It's OK? Regards, --- Hironobu SUZUKI Tokyo, Japan. http://h2np.net From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Wed Nov 28 03:44:53 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IxIXN-0006AI-AH for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:44:53 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IxIXM-0007Cz-6B for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:44:52 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAS8Oo2Q016915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:24:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lAS8OoFh016914; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:24:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [66.93.68.160]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAS8Onm1016905 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:24:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jon@callas.org) Received: from keys.merrymeet.com (keys.merrymeet.com [66.93.68.161]) (Authenticated sender: jon) by merrymeet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BCAFACAE09 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:24:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.16.100] ([77.221.180.140]) by keys.merrymeet.com (PGP Universal service); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:24:48 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.merrymeet.com on Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:24:48 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <21317.1196229708@mail.h2np.net> References: <117bad160711270459u62ad62d6nf0586f832f64e96c@mail.gmail.com> <23031.1196177613@mail.h2np.net> <21317.1196229708@mail.h2np.net> Message-Id: <67CDE0B4-5796-49D4-9601-AEA056FCDC46@callas.org> From: Jon Callas Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:24:58 -0800 To: OpenPGP X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-PGP-Encoding-Format: Partitioned X-PGP-Encoding-Version: 2.0.2 X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 27, 2007, at 10:01 PM, Hironobu SUZUKI wrote: > > > Hironobu SUZUKI wrote: >> Yes. I already have discussed about it with a NTT person who is a >> team >> leader of Camellia project. They will give an IPR for OpenPGP. > > When I sent my email to him yesterday, he replied very quickly. "It > was > done at 6 month ago". And NTT Licensing Group did their job very > quickly. OMG ;-) > Well, thank them very much for us! As for 128-bit keys, it sounds like we have a rough consensus that it is not crazy to have them. How about if we discuss them seriously? Who is actually going to *use* (or implement) Camillia? PGP Corporation would implement it, and I personally would not object to having it in my key's cipher preferences. I wouldn't put it at the top, but I wouldn't object to having it u there with AES and Twofish. Jon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Universal 2.6.3 Charset: US-ASCII wj8DBQFHTSXQsTedWZOD3gYRAgsqAJ96N4f+KQa4RdLMWxT9JR9JT1uHwwCg9wzR M+0o2Mi4Ve0vgWhI+ARZyeM= =mrbG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Wed Nov 28 05:55:18 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IxKZa-0006Ek-UC for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:55:18 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IxKZY-0006VZ-Qb for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:55:18 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lASAZLnS025086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:35:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lASAZLT3025085; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:35:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from kerckhoffs.g10code.com (kerckhoffs.g10code.com [217.69.77.222]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lASAZJCT025075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:35:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wk@gnupg.org) Received: from uucp by kerckhoffs.g10code.com with local-rmail (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1IxKON-0008HJ-RS for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:43:43 +0100 Received: from wk by localhost with local (Exim 4.62 #1 (Debian)) id 1IxKCN-0001gr-IC; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:31:19 +0100 From: Werner Koch To: Ian G Cc: "Daniel A. Nagy" , ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt References: <20071126225152.GA10740@jabberwocky.com> <87myt0aw4j.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> <474C46C5.2010009@systemics.com> Organisation: g10 Code GmbH OpenPGP: id=5B0358A2; url=finger:wk@g10code.com Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:31:19 +0100 In-Reply-To: <474C46C5.2010009@systemics.com> (Ian G.'s message of "Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:33:09 +0100") Message-ID: <87r6ia64qw.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:33, iang@systemics.com said: > To me, this doesn't argue for 128 bit keys. You can achieve the same > effect by taking 128 bits of randomness and adding 128 0's on the end. I just wonder whether Camellia been analyzed for such an "abuse" of the key length. It is common practise to use random session key or use a KDF to have a uniform distribution of the key bits. Salam-Shalom, Werner -- Die Gedanken sind frei. Auschnahme regelt ein Bundeschgesetz. From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Wed Nov 28 06:10:15 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IxKo2-0005We-Cu for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:10:14 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IxKo2-0007KF-0V for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:10:14 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lASAeMls025285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:40:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lASAeMiU025284; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:40:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from kerckhoffs.g10code.com (kerckhoffs.g10code.com [217.69.77.222]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lASAeK6K025278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:40:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wk@gnupg.org) Received: from uucp by kerckhoffs.g10code.com with local-rmail (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1IxKTE-0008Iy-Fk for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:48:44 +0100 Received: from wk by localhost with local (Exim 4.62 #1 (Debian)) id 1IxKJ2-0001hE-64; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:38:12 +0100 From: Werner Koch To: Jon Callas Cc: OpenPGP Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt References: <117bad160711270459u62ad62d6nf0586f832f64e96c@mail.gmail.com> <23031.1196177613@mail.h2np.net> <21317.1196229708@mail.h2np.net> <67CDE0B4-5796-49D4-9601-AEA056FCDC46@callas.org> Organisation: g10 Code GmbH OpenPGP: id=5B0358A2; url=finger:wk@g10code.com Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:38:11 +0100 In-Reply-To: <67CDE0B4-5796-49D4-9601-AEA056FCDC46@callas.org> (Jon Callas's message of "Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:24:58 -0800") Message-ID: <87mysy64fg.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:24, jon@callas.org said: > Who is actually going to *use* (or implement) Camillia? PGP GnuPG has already implemented Camillia-256 for testing. We are justing waiting for IDs to enable it. I'd also like to add Camillia-128 for gpg (we support all Camillia key lengths in GnuPG's S/MIME tool gpgsm). Shalom-Salam, Werner -- Die Gedanken sind frei. Auschnahme regelt ein Bundeschgesetz. From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Wed Nov 28 06:36:12 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IxLDA-0002h1-65 for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:36:12 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IxLD9-0000Zh-Ey for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:36:12 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lASBH6l0027634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 04:17:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lASBH6ZO027633; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 04:17:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from goten.sonance.net (goten.sonance.net [88.198.58.135]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lASBH5eV027627 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 04:17:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from iang@systemics.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBE0857C01; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:22:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from goten.sonance.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (goten.sonance.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MNyqhVhwual2; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:22:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from zhukov.local (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF2D57BFE; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:22:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <474D4E3B.3060909@systemics.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:17:15 +0100 From: Ian G User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Werner Koch CC: "Daniel A. Nagy" , ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt References: <20071126225152.GA10740@jabberwocky.com> <87myt0aw4j.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> <474C46C5.2010009@systemics.com> <87r6ia64qw.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> In-Reply-To: <87r6ia64qw.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b19722fc8d3865b147c75ae2495625f2 Werner Koch wrote: > On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:33, iang@systemics.com said: > >> To me, this doesn't argue for 128 bit keys. You can achieve the same >> effect by taking 128 bits of randomness and adding 128 0's on the end. > > I just wonder whether Camellia been analyzed for such an "abuse" of the > key length. It is common practise to use random session key or use a > KDF to have a uniform distribution of the key bits. Yes, use a key expansion function. I didn't mean to literally tempt the gods. What I am trying to do here is suggest ways to reduce the work for implementors and maintainers, and also reduce possibilities for confusion by users. There is a view that OpenPGP is a fine way to experiment with lots of different algorithms and lengths and modes and colours. I once had that view as a developer, and once even published a Java kit with lots of algorithms in it... because it was so much fun to do all these algorithms! But it is a conceit. The maintainer in me rejected that approach within a month, and the architect in me now says that there is only one true cipher suite: http://iang.org/ssl/h1_the_one_true_cipher_suite.html iang From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Wed Nov 28 10:30:55 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IxOsJ-0003Dt-Ub for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:30:55 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IxOsJ-0001ty-9P for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:30:55 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lASF6dQi042325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:06:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lASF6dsG042321; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:06:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp3.hushmail.com (smtp3.hushmail.com [65.39.178.135]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lASF6ZAV042314 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:06:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vedaal@hush.com) Received: from smtp3.hushmail.com (localhost.hush.com [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.hushmail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 04F7E5C079 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:06:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailserver7.hushmail.com (mailserver7.hushmail.com [65.39.178.62]) by smtp3.hushmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:06:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mailserver7.hushmail.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 3284CDA82B; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:06:33 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:06:32 -0500 To: Cc: Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt From: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20071128150633.3284CDA82B@mailserver7.hushmail.com> Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 69a74e02bbee44ab4f8eafdbcedd94a1 On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:17:15 -0500 Ian G wrote: >There is a view that OpenPGP is a fine way to experiment >with lots of different algorithms and lengths and modes and >colours. maybe a functional compromise view can be considered: "don't put all your eggs in one basket" the NIST standards propose 256 bit symmetrical ciphers and larger asymmetric key sizes it would be prudent to have 'backup' ciphers with different primitive designs, in case the Chinese or other investigators suddenly find a new attack approach against rijndael or twofish [ with processor capabilities increasing, and speed not so much of a practical limiting factor, i would like to see Serpent added too ;-) ] it doesn't mean that Camellia has to be implemented by everyone, only that the mechanisms are there to move to it quickly should the need ever arise, and to allow it to be used and implemented in an open-pgp way, by users who have a specific regional need for it (i.e, Japanese corporations) vedaal -- Earn up to $300 hour. Click here to get information on starting a medical career. http://tagline.hushmail.com/fc/Ioyw6h4dE76719m1zPXb6rMESAqZ2ZyxDkxwvaP0wH859ZDd4Mg9In/ From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Wed Nov 28 11:22:06 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IxPfq-0004vl-AS for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:22:06 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IxPfo-00085O-L3 for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:22:06 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lASFvESS045970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:57:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lASFvEGp045969; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:57:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ihtfp.org (MAIL.IHTFP.ORG [204.107.200.6]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lASFvDNM045957 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:57:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from derek@ihtfp.com) Received: from pgpdev.ihtfp.org (c-76-109-52-251.hsd1.fl.comcast.net [76.109.52.251]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cliodev.ihtfp.com", Issuer "IHTFP Consulting Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by mail.ihtfp.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54B218B4005; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:57:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from warlord@localhost) by pgpdev.ihtfp.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lASFv5wo008704; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:57:05 -0500 To: Jon Callas Cc: OpenPGP Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt References: <117bad160711270459u62ad62d6nf0586f832f64e96c@mail.gmail.com> <23031.1196177613@mail.h2np.net> <21317.1196229708@mail.h2np.net> <67CDE0B4-5796-49D4-9601-AEA056FCDC46@callas.org> From: Derek Atkins Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:57:04 -0500 In-Reply-To: <67CDE0B4-5796-49D4-9601-AEA056FCDC46@callas.org> (Jon Callas's message of "Wed\, 28 Nov 2007 00\:24\:58 -0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cab78e1e39c4b328567edb48482b6a69 Jon Callas writes: > On Nov 27, 2007, at 10:01 PM, Hironobu SUZUKI wrote: > >> >> >> Hironobu SUZUKI wrote: >>> Yes. I already have discussed about it with a NTT person who is a >>> team >>> leader of Camellia project. They will give an IPR for OpenPGP. >> >> When I sent my email to him yesterday, he replied very quickly. "It >> was >> done at 6 month ago". And NTT Licensing Group did their job very >> quickly. OMG ;-) >> > > Well, thank them very much for us! I'll take a look at the IPR disclosure and see how it affects us. Thank you. > As for 128-bit keys, it sounds like we have a rough consensus that it > is not crazy to have them. How about if we discuss them seriously? To me it certainly sounds like there are more people who say they'd like 128-bit or "don't care" than those who say that they definitely do NOT want 128-bit. So I think there's rough consensus to have 128- and 256-bit Camellia keys. > Who is actually going to *use* (or implement) Camillia? PGP > Corporation would implement it, and I personally would not object to > having it in my key's cipher preferences. I wouldn't put it at the > top, but I wouldn't object to having it u there with AES and Twofish. > > Jon -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Wed Nov 28 12:29:58 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IxQjW-0000n3-EH for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:29:58 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IxQjU-0000fK-Ta for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:29:58 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lASH8BkC051557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:08:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lASH8BMW051556; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:08:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lASH8AUp051549 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:08:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.jabberwocky.com (c-75-69-177-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [75.69.177.157]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id lASH86M04146 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:08:07 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lASH824g020111 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:08:02 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lASH818b005297 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:08:02 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lASH81Pv005296 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:08:01 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:08:01 -0500 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt Message-ID: <20071128170801.GB5227@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: <20071126225152.GA10740@jabberwocky.com> <87myt0aw4j.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> <474C46C5.2010009@systemics.com> <87r6ia64qw.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> <474D4E3B.3060909@systemics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <474D4E3B.3060909@systemics.com> OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-05-20) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 12:17:15PM +0100, Ian G wrote: > > Werner Koch wrote: >> On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:33, iang@systemics.com said: >>> To me, this doesn't argue for 128 bit keys. You can achieve the same >>> effect by taking 128 bits of randomness and adding 128 0's on the end. >> I just wonder whether Camellia been analyzed for such an "abuse" of the >> key length. It is common practise to use random session key or use a >> KDF to have a uniform distribution of the key bits. > > > Yes, use a key expansion function. I didn't mean to literally tempt the > gods. > > What I am trying to do here is suggest ways to reduce the work for > implementors and maintainers, and also reduce possibilities for confusion > by users. I don't know that this is really reducing work all that much. Camellia supports a 128-bit key. If we want to have the equivalent of a 128-bit key, why not just use what Camellia already provides? Sure, we could do some trickery with key expansion, but then we have to specify it, code it, and explain to people for a long time why we did it that way. David From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Wed Nov 28 12:32:28 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IxQlw-0002l4-Qa for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:32:28 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IxQlv-00011z-C4 for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:32:28 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lASHD7I7052053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:13:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lASHD77B052052; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:13:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lASHD63R052045 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:13:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.jabberwocky.com (c-75-69-177-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [75.69.177.157]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id lASHD5M04176 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:13:05 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lASHD0am020156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:13:00 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lASHD0Xa005324 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:13:00 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lASHD0eI005323 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:13:00 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:13:00 -0500 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt Message-ID: <20071128171300.GC5227@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: <20071126225152.GA10740@jabberwocky.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-05-20) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b19722fc8d3865b147c75ae2495625f2 On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 03:25:48PM -0800, Jon Callas wrote: > > > > > If folks could comment on this draft, I'd appreciate it. > > > > There may well be nothing to say (the draft is not particularly > > complex or controversial), in which case a "looks sane to me" comment > > would be appreciated. It's hard to tell the difference between > > silence because there are no objections and silence because there is > > no interest. > > It looks sane to me. However, while RFC3713 specifies clearly that > Camillia has a 128-bit block, I think you should too. Because of the > eccentricities of what we do with CFB, block size is very important. > I think it's wise to point out that has the same block size as AES > and Twofish. It's just another sentence. Good point. I'll put that in. > One last question is why only 256-bit keys? Why not 128 and 256 (I > don't see the point of 192-bit keys, myself)? I did 256 mainly because that was what Hironobu SUZUKI mentioned when he brought it up. I figured that if the WG wanted 128-bit keys, someone would bring it up. And now someone has. :) I agree with you about 192-bit keys. They're neither here nor there. Thanks for the comments! 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<67CDE0B4-5796-49D4-9601-AEA056FCDC46@callas.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f Derek Atkins wrote: >> As for 128-bit keys, it sounds like we have a rough consensus that it >> is not crazy to have them. How about if we discuss them seriously? > > To me it certainly sounds like there are more people who say > they'd like 128-bit or "don't care" than those who say that they > definitely do NOT want 128-bit. So I think there's rough consensus > to have 128- and 256-bit Camellia keys. 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------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C83343.D8068330-- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lATGcwjT053010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:38:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lATGcwcX053009; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:38:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from goten.sonance.net (goten.sonance.net [88.198.58.135]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lATGcuuj053000 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:38:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from iang@systemics.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EA9457BF6; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:44:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from goten.sonance.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (goten.sonance.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T9t+k+YZSo6S; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:44:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from zhukov.local (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6C0857BA8; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:44:44 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <474EEB26.4090903@systemics.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:39:02 +0100 From: Ian G User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Derek Atkins CC: Jon Callas , OpenPGP Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt References: <117bad160711270459u62ad62d6nf0586f832f64e96c@mail.gmail.com> <23031.1196177613@mail.h2np.net> <21317.1196229708@mail.h2np.net> <67CDE0B4-5796-49D4-9601-AEA056FCDC46@callas.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Derek Atkins wrote: >> As for 128-bit keys, it sounds like we have a rough consensus that it >> is not crazy to have them. How about if we discuss them seriously? > > To me it certainly sounds like there are more people who say > they'd like 128-bit or "don't care" than those who say that they > definitely do NOT want 128-bit. So I think there's rough consensus > to have 128- and 256-bit Camellia keys. To clarify the discussion on 128-bit Camelia cipher, there is rough consensus to have it, or at least my arguments shouldn't be seen as any vote against a rough consensus. iang Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lASHD7I7052053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:13:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lASHD77B052052; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:13:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lASHD63R052045 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:13:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.jabberwocky.com (c-75-69-177-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [75.69.177.157]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id lASHD5M04176 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:13:05 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lASHD0am020156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:13:00 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lASHD0Xa005324 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:13:00 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lASHD0eI005323 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:13:00 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:13:00 -0500 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt Message-ID: <20071128171300.GC5227@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: <20071126225152.GA10740@jabberwocky.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-05-20) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 03:25:48PM -0800, Jon Callas wrote: > > > > > If folks could comment on this draft, I'd appreciate it. > > > > There may well be nothing to say (the draft is not particularly > > complex or controversial), in which case a "looks sane to me" comment > > would be appreciated. It's hard to tell the difference between > > silence because there are no objections and silence because there is > > no interest. > > It looks sane to me. However, while RFC3713 specifies clearly that > Camillia has a 128-bit block, I think you should too. Because of the > eccentricities of what we do with CFB, block size is very important. > I think it's wise to point out that has the same block size as AES > and Twofish. It's just another sentence. Good point. I'll put that in. > One last question is why only 256-bit keys? Why not 128 and 256 (I > don't see the point of 192-bit keys, myself)? I did 256 mainly because that was what Hironobu SUZUKI mentioned when he brought it up. I figured that if the WG wanted 128-bit keys, someone would bring it up. And now someone has. :) I agree with you about 192-bit keys. They're neither here nor there. Thanks for the comments! David Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lASH8BkC051557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:08:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lASH8BMW051556; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:08:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lASH8AUp051549 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:08:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.jabberwocky.com (c-75-69-177-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [75.69.177.157]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id lASH86M04146 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:08:07 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lASH824g020111 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:08:02 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lASH818b005297 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:08:02 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lASH81Pv005296 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:08:01 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:08:01 -0500 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt Message-ID: <20071128170801.GB5227@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: <20071126225152.GA10740@jabberwocky.com> <87myt0aw4j.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> <474C46C5.2010009@systemics.com> <87r6ia64qw.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> <474D4E3B.3060909@systemics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <474D4E3B.3060909@systemics.com> OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-05-20) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 12:17:15PM +0100, Ian G wrote: > > Werner Koch wrote: >> On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:33, iang@systemics.com said: >>> To me, this doesn't argue for 128 bit keys. You can achieve the same >>> effect by taking 128 bits of randomness and adding 128 0's on the end. >> I just wonder whether Camellia been analyzed for such an "abuse" of the >> key length. It is common practise to use random session key or use a >> KDF to have a uniform distribution of the key bits. > > > Yes, use a key expansion function. I didn't mean to literally tempt the > gods. > > What I am trying to do here is suggest ways to reduce the work for > implementors and maintainers, and also reduce possibilities for confusion > by users. I don't know that this is really reducing work all that much. Camellia supports a 128-bit key. If we want to have the equivalent of a 128-bit key, why not just use what Camellia already provides? Sure, we could do some trickery with key expansion, but then we have to specify it, code it, and explain to people for a long time why we did it that way. David Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lASFvESS045970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:57:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lASFvEGp045969; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:57:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ihtfp.org (MAIL.IHTFP.ORG [204.107.200.6]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lASFvDNM045957 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:57:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from derek@ihtfp.com) Received: from pgpdev.ihtfp.org (c-76-109-52-251.hsd1.fl.comcast.net [76.109.52.251]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cliodev.ihtfp.com", Issuer "IHTFP Consulting Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by mail.ihtfp.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54B218B4005; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:57:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from warlord@localhost) by pgpdev.ihtfp.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lASFv5wo008704; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:57:05 -0500 To: Jon Callas Cc: OpenPGP Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt References: <117bad160711270459u62ad62d6nf0586f832f64e96c@mail.gmail.com> <23031.1196177613@mail.h2np.net> <21317.1196229708@mail.h2np.net> <67CDE0B4-5796-49D4-9601-AEA056FCDC46@callas.org> From: Derek Atkins Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:57:04 -0500 In-Reply-To: <67CDE0B4-5796-49D4-9601-AEA056FCDC46@callas.org> (Jon Callas's message of "Wed\, 28 Nov 2007 00\:24\:58 -0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Jon Callas writes: > On Nov 27, 2007, at 10:01 PM, Hironobu SUZUKI wrote: > >> >> >> Hironobu SUZUKI wrote: >>> Yes. I already have discussed about it with a NTT person who is a >>> team >>> leader of Camellia project. They will give an IPR for OpenPGP. >> >> When I sent my email to him yesterday, he replied very quickly. "It >> was >> done at 6 month ago". And NTT Licensing Group did their job very >> quickly. OMG ;-) >> > > Well, thank them very much for us! I'll take a look at the IPR disclosure and see how it affects us. Thank you. > As for 128-bit keys, it sounds like we have a rough consensus that it > is not crazy to have them. How about if we discuss them seriously? To me it certainly sounds like there are more people who say they'd like 128-bit or "don't care" than those who say that they definitely do NOT want 128-bit. So I think there's rough consensus to have 128- and 256-bit Camellia keys. > Who is actually going to *use* (or implement) Camillia? PGP > Corporation would implement it, and I personally would not object to > having it in my key's cipher preferences. I wouldn't put it at the > top, but I wouldn't object to having it u there with AES and Twofish. > > Jon -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lASF6dQi042325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:06:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lASF6dsG042321; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:06:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp3.hushmail.com (smtp3.hushmail.com [65.39.178.135]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lASF6ZAV042314 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:06:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vedaal@hush.com) Received: from smtp3.hushmail.com (localhost.hush.com [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.hushmail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 04F7E5C079 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:06:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailserver7.hushmail.com (mailserver7.hushmail.com [65.39.178.62]) by smtp3.hushmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:06:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mailserver7.hushmail.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 3284CDA82B; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:06:33 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:06:32 -0500 To: Cc: Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt From: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20071128150633.3284CDA82B@mailserver7.hushmail.com> Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:17:15 -0500 Ian G wrote: >There is a view that OpenPGP is a fine way to experiment >with lots of different algorithms and lengths and modes and >colours. maybe a functional compromise view can be considered: "don't put all your eggs in one basket" the NIST standards propose 256 bit symmetrical ciphers and larger asymmetric key sizes it would be prudent to have 'backup' ciphers with different primitive designs, in case the Chinese or other investigators suddenly find a new attack approach against rijndael or twofish [ with processor capabilities increasing, and speed not so much of a practical limiting factor, i would like to see Serpent added too ;-) ] it doesn't mean that Camellia has to be implemented by everyone, only that the mechanisms are there to move to it quickly should the need ever arise, and to allow it to be used and implemented in an open-pgp way, by users who have a specific regional need for it (i.e, Japanese corporations) vedaal -- Earn up to $300 hour. Click here to get information on starting a medical career. http://tagline.hushmail.com/fc/Ioyw6h4dE76719m1zPXb6rMESAqZ2ZyxDkxwvaP0wH859ZDd4Mg9In/ Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lASBH6l0027634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 04:17:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lASBH6ZO027633; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 04:17:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from goten.sonance.net (goten.sonance.net [88.198.58.135]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lASBH5eV027627 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 04:17:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from iang@systemics.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBE0857C01; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:22:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from goten.sonance.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (goten.sonance.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MNyqhVhwual2; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:22:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from zhukov.local (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF2D57BFE; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:22:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <474D4E3B.3060909@systemics.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:17:15 +0100 From: Ian G User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Werner Koch CC: "Daniel A. Nagy" , ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt References: <20071126225152.GA10740@jabberwocky.com> <87myt0aw4j.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> <474C46C5.2010009@systemics.com> <87r6ia64qw.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> In-Reply-To: <87r6ia64qw.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Werner Koch wrote: > On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:33, iang@systemics.com said: > >> To me, this doesn't argue for 128 bit keys. You can achieve the same >> effect by taking 128 bits of randomness and adding 128 0's on the end. > > I just wonder whether Camellia been analyzed for such an "abuse" of the > key length. It is common practise to use random session key or use a > KDF to have a uniform distribution of the key bits. Yes, use a key expansion function. I didn't mean to literally tempt the gods. What I am trying to do here is suggest ways to reduce the work for implementors and maintainers, and also reduce possibilities for confusion by users. There is a view that OpenPGP is a fine way to experiment with lots of different algorithms and lengths and modes and colours. I once had that view as a developer, and once even published a Java kit with lots of algorithms in it... because it was so much fun to do all these algorithms! But it is a conceit. The maintainer in me rejected that approach within a month, and the architect in me now says that there is only one true cipher suite: http://iang.org/ssl/h1_the_one_true_cipher_suite.html iang Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lASAeMls025285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:40:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lASAeMiU025284; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:40:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from kerckhoffs.g10code.com (kerckhoffs.g10code.com [217.69.77.222]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lASAeK6K025278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:40:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wk@gnupg.org) Received: from uucp by kerckhoffs.g10code.com with local-rmail (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1IxKTE-0008Iy-Fk for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:48:44 +0100 Received: from wk by localhost with local (Exim 4.62 #1 (Debian)) id 1IxKJ2-0001hE-64; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:38:12 +0100 From: Werner Koch To: Jon Callas Cc: OpenPGP Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt References: <117bad160711270459u62ad62d6nf0586f832f64e96c@mail.gmail.com> <23031.1196177613@mail.h2np.net> <21317.1196229708@mail.h2np.net> <67CDE0B4-5796-49D4-9601-AEA056FCDC46@callas.org> Organisation: g10 Code GmbH OpenPGP: id=5B0358A2; url=finger:wk@g10code.com Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:38:11 +0100 In-Reply-To: <67CDE0B4-5796-49D4-9601-AEA056FCDC46@callas.org> (Jon Callas's message of "Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:24:58 -0800") Message-ID: <87mysy64fg.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:24, jon@callas.org said: > Who is actually going to *use* (or implement) Camillia? PGP GnuPG has already implemented Camillia-256 for testing. We are justing waiting for IDs to enable it. I'd also like to add Camillia-128 for gpg (we support all Camillia key lengths in GnuPG's S/MIME tool gpgsm). Shalom-Salam, Werner -- Die Gedanken sind frei. Auschnahme regelt ein Bundeschgesetz. 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Nagy" , ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt References: <20071126225152.GA10740@jabberwocky.com> <87myt0aw4j.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> <474C46C5.2010009@systemics.com> Organisation: g10 Code GmbH OpenPGP: id=5B0358A2; url=finger:wk@g10code.com Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:31:19 +0100 In-Reply-To: <474C46C5.2010009@systemics.com> (Ian G.'s message of "Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:33:09 +0100") Message-ID: <87r6ia64qw.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:33, iang@systemics.com said: > To me, this doesn't argue for 128 bit keys. You can achieve the same > effect by taking 128 bits of randomness and adding 128 0's on the end. I just wonder whether Camellia been analyzed for such an "abuse" of the key length. It is common practise to use random session key or use a KDF to have a uniform distribution of the key bits. Salam-Shalom, Werner -- Die Gedanken sind frei. Auschnahme regelt ein Bundeschgesetz. Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAS8Oo2Q016915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:24:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lAS8OoFh016914; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:24:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [66.93.68.160]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAS8Onm1016905 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:24:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jon@callas.org) Received: from keys.merrymeet.com (keys.merrymeet.com [66.93.68.161]) (Authenticated sender: jon) by merrymeet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BCAFACAE09 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:24:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.16.100] ([77.221.180.140]) by keys.merrymeet.com (PGP Universal service); Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:24:48 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.merrymeet.com on Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:24:48 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <21317.1196229708@mail.h2np.net> References: <117bad160711270459u62ad62d6nf0586f832f64e96c@mail.gmail.com> <23031.1196177613@mail.h2np.net> <21317.1196229708@mail.h2np.net> Message-Id: <67CDE0B4-5796-49D4-9601-AEA056FCDC46@callas.org> From: Jon Callas Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:24:58 -0800 To: OpenPGP X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-PGP-Encoding-Format: Partitioned X-PGP-Encoding-Version: 2.0.2 X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 27, 2007, at 10:01 PM, Hironobu SUZUKI wrote: > > > Hironobu SUZUKI wrote: >> Yes. I already have discussed about it with a NTT person who is a >> team >> leader of Camellia project. They will give an IPR for OpenPGP. > > When I sent my email to him yesterday, he replied very quickly. "It > was > done at 6 month ago". And NTT Licensing Group did their job very > quickly. OMG ;-) > Well, thank them very much for us! As for 128-bit keys, it sounds like we have a rough consensus that it is not crazy to have them. How about if we discuss them seriously? Who is actually going to *use* (or implement) Camillia? PGP Corporation would implement it, and I personally would not object to having it in my key's cipher preferences. I wouldn't put it at the top, but I wouldn't object to having it u there with AES and Twofish. Jon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Universal 2.6.3 Charset: US-ASCII wj8DBQFHTSXQsTedWZOD3gYRAgsqAJ96N4f+KQa4RdLMWxT9JR9JT1uHwwCg9wzR M+0o2Mi4Ve0vgWhI+ARZyeM= =mrbG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAS61qNo009192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:01:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lAS61q8C009191; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:01:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from h2np.net (sea.h2np.net [220.110.1.194]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAS61o6n009185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:01:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hironobu@mail.h2np.net) Received: from lax.h2np.net ([220.110.1.195] helo=mail.h2np.net) by h2np.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IxFzY-0000Vm-FT; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:01:48 +0900 From: Hironobu SUZUKI To: Hironobu SUZUKI cc: "David Crick" , ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt In-reply-to: <23031.1196177613@mail.h2np.net> References: <117bad160711270459u62ad62d6nf0586f832f64e96c@mail.gmail.com> <23031.1196177613@mail.h2np.net> Comments: In-reply-to Hironobu SUZUKI message dated "Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:33:33 +0900." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.0.3; nmh 1.2; GNU Emacs 22.1.1 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:01:48 +0900 Message-ID: <21317.1196229708@mail.h2np.net> Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hironobu SUZUKI wrote: > Yes. I already have discussed about it with a NTT person who is a team > leader of Camellia project. They will give an IPR for OpenPGP. When I sent my email to him yesterday, he replied very quickly. "It was done at 6 month ago". And NTT Licensing Group did their job very quickly. OMG ;-) IPR is as below: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/861/ Submitted Date: July 4, 2007 I. Patent Holder/Applicant ("Patent Holder") Legal Name: Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Company and Mitsubishi Electric Corporation II. Patent Holder's Contact for License Application Name: Isamu Yoshimatsu Title: Senior Manager, Licensing Group Department: Intellectual Property Center Address1: Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Corporation III. IETF Document or Other Contribution to Which this IPR Disclosure Relates: Designations for Other Contributions: Camellia It's OK? Regards, --- Hironobu SUZUKI Tokyo, Japan. http://h2np.net Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lARGfdoe059540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:41:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lARGfdnc059539; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:41:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.epointsystem.org (120.156-228-195.hosting.adatpark.hu [195.228.156.120]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lARGfcwM059533 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:41:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nagydani@epointsystem.org) Received: by mail.epointsystem.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CB10D3D08; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:39:15 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:39:15 +0100 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt Message-ID: <20071127163915.GC2956@epointsystem.org> References: <20071126225152.GA10740@jabberwocky.com> <87myt0aw4j.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> <474C46C5.2010009@systemics.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3siQDZowHQqNOShm" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <474C46C5.2010009@systemics.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: --3siQDZowHQqNOShm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 05:33:09PM +0100, Ian G wrote: > To me, this doesn't argue for 128 bit keys. You can achieve=20 > the same effect by taking 128 bits of randomness and adding=20 > 128 0's on the end. Just to rephrase: you suggest that randomness-starved platforms use fewer bits of the key space? Fine. It's their choice, consistent with the present wording of the standard. > Same comments I think apply to Dani's email. No, because in my case you would still need a different symmetric algorithm designation. Or you need to specify in the standard that if the session key does not fit into one public key encrypted session key packet then such and such actions need to be taken. The two objections against not including 128-bit versions are not equivalen= t. --=20 Daniel --3siQDZowHQqNOShm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQDVAwUBR0xIMq6pEulQFnIMAQI/fAYAk5s4FGtCx/pS4rv09/9LmZ2itjkCnsSn pNGhYu6XmH2Nbsx4NtQdWkODTj2+tpWmQR4cxJkVysPetRp3LjGp2YvMyphHxW5Y QSqqbzpO7Ladp/++AYxyGZjmtyEyvvrcia8WAnEdBo+hzQN+pYX0ANiLI2iHBL7v SSX7LQzM7/C5Yz2XStWjxMVSGU+zG70MZemgijU5GEF/+Kfv8tQFStCLzkiTyz3p hYLBT3egUmzh3V6JcK2hnoPD9YHk4pyd =naMp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3siQDZowHQqNOShm-- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lARGX3Sl058846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:33:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lARGX35L058845; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:33:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from goten.sonance.net (goten.sonance.net [88.198.58.135]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lARGX19m058836 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:33:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from iang@systemics.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 744CC57BE9; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:38:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from goten.sonance.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (goten.sonance.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zEiViUh2uq1U; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:38:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from zhukov.local (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357E157B8E; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:38:52 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <474C46C5.2010009@systemics.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:33:09 +0100 From: Ian G User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Werner Koch CC: "Daniel A. Nagy" , ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt References: <20071126225152.GA10740@jabberwocky.com> <87myt0aw4j.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> In-Reply-To: <87myt0aw4j.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Werner Koch wrote: > On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:25, jon@callas.org said: > >> One last question is why only 256-bit keys? Why not 128 and 256 (I >> don't see the point of 192-bit keys, myself)? There are many good >> answers to the question. For example, if Rijndael were not the AES > > An argument pro 128 bit is that you can do double as many independed > encryption with a given amount of random numbers. This is an advantage > on small systems and those where entropy is a scarce resource. To me, this doesn't argue for 128 bit keys. You can achieve the same effect by taking 128 bits of randomness and adding 128 0's on the end. Same comments I think apply to Dani's email. Unless there is a marked speed difference, I think it reasonable to specify 256 bit key ciphers and expand shorter keys out. Jon mentioned that with AES, there is a 20% slow down from 128 to 256, in AES not Camelia. That to me suggests that, in principle, we only specify 256 bit keys, and drop the 128 bit cipher (*). If there is a speed issue, then likely 20% isn't going to solve it and there should be a "mobile profile" or proper "cipher suite". iang PS: (*) I am not arguing to drop 128 bit AES, just the principle of the thing. Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lARFXcjZ053589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:33:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lARFXcOH053588; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:33:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from h2np.net (sea.h2np.net [220.110.1.194]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lARFXaXb053579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:33:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hironobu@mail.h2np.net) Received: from lax.h2np.net ([220.110.1.195] helo=mail.h2np.net) by h2np.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ix2RK-0006q4-2U; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:33:34 +0900 From: Hironobu SUZUKI To: "David Crick" cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt In-reply-to: <117bad160711270459u62ad62d6nf0586f832f64e96c@mail.gmail.com> References: <117bad160711270459u62ad62d6nf0586f832f64e96c@mail.gmail.com> Comments: In-reply-to "David Crick" message dated "Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:59:33 +0000." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.0.3; nmh 1.2; GNU Emacs 22.1.1 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:33:33 +0900 Message-ID: <23031.1196177613@mail.h2np.net> Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: David Crick wrote: > > One could argue about adding 128-bit Twofish as well/instead, > as it's been around longer and also went through the deep AES > process scrutiny. However, on Camellia's side, it is a post-AES > cipher, and so benefits from more recent insights / design > trade-offs, PLUS it has gone through the scrutiny of both > NESSIE and CRYPTREC. In addition it's already implemented > (in both 128-bit and 256-bit lengths) in applications (e.g. the > Linux kernel and Firefox 3.0 [beta]). I have no objection against your opinion that about Camellia. It is well designed cipher. I mentioned that most important thing is that we need 256-bit for some security reason for OpenPGP. http://www.imc.org/ietf-openpgp/mail-archive/msg20263.html > One outstanding question I see: have we ever had a reply back > from NTT giving an IPR statement SPECIFICALLY for OpenPGP, as > requested by Hironobu SUZUKI here? Yes. I already have discussed about it with a NTT person who is a team leader of Camellia project. They will give an IPR for OpenPGP. Regards, --- Hironobu SUZUKI Tokyo, Japan. http://h2np.net Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lARCxZO3039058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:59:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lARCxZPT039057; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:59:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.237]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lARCxYHE039050 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:59:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dacrick@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id n1so713299nzf for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:59:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=BLKfsWrMaaIY76GXh3d8w9Mtl3aCZZqxqIKc3GIQftM=; b=Mo2415yvFMXO7wL86CFpDurqHUC8WAvrWUaViN5s72kwsQhOJ6b4uT599Q1XZv3BHqLDd6sl/HKC5r7eZjDeCYE7CR6GSkfMnw0PRyEQhNzgWkAEPN+sHl3HwKEGqrxqIaoPP/NnJM6b69YMrhu1Ni41k7kzFnycVOcr+Di32MQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=EQjxDoU6OwbgyU1T+Jumzi8nPTipDbhsyCdPB/idGGIzv6C/mYWYndU5idzTCuBtEQQbAXisd3GJkBGgMw5TsB4PFF9cV+dopgskjxcz8QcxGQOE1xI1gPJ04cLHkavLLG2snzuJNarp8p1IB8JTtgMX//gDFA0+J+hA8ub6xqI= Received: by 10.142.242.8 with SMTP id p8mr839054wfh.1196168373407; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:59:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.72.8 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:59:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <117bad160711270459u62ad62d6nf0586f832f64e96c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:59:33 +0000 From: "David Crick" To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: The reason only 256-bit keys were proposed was due to Hironobu SUZUKI's initial request: http://www.imc.org/ietf-openpgp/mail-archive/msg15591.html key-length discussions happened here: http://www.imc.org/ietf-openpgp/mail-archive/msg15674.html http://www.imc.org/ietf-openpgp/mail-archive/msg15677.html http://www.imc.org/ietf-openpgp/mail-archive/msg15678.html http://www.imc.org/ietf-openpgp/mail-archive/msg15679.html the final message likened the situation with only 256-bit key Twofish. HOWEVER, in addition to Daniel's technical comment in: http://www.imc.org/ietf-openpgp/mail-archive/msg20265.html I personally wonder if we also should take this opportunity to add a 128-bit key+length alternative to AES in OpenPGP, just because there currently isn't one. One could argue about adding 128-bit Twofish as well/instead, as it's been around longer and also went through the deep AES process scrutiny. However, on Camellia's side, it is a post-AES cipher, and so benefits from more recent insights / design trade-offs, PLUS it has gone through the scrutiny of both NESSIE and CRYPTREC. In addition it's already implemented (in both 128-bit and 256-bit lengths) in applications (e.g. the Linux kernel and Firefox 3.0 [beta]). One outstanding question I see: have we ever had a reply back from NTT giving an IPR statement SPECIFICALLY for OpenPGP, as requested by Hironobu SUZUKI here? http://www.imc.org/ietf-openpgp/mail-archive/msg15676.html This was intended to clarify the general statement given here: http://www.imc.org/ietf-openpgp/mail-archive/msg15607.html Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lARAV61l029985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 03:31:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lARAV6Ym029984; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 03:31:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.epointsystem.org (120.156-228-195.hosting.adatpark.hu [195.228.156.120]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lARAV5Kw029975 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 03:31:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nagydani@epointsystem.org) Received: by mail.epointsystem.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2C5A13CC3; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:28:42 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:28:42 +0100 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt Message-ID: <20071127102841.GA2956@epointsystem.org> References: <20071126225152.GA10740@jabberwocky.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071126225152.GA10740@jabberwocky.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think that excluding 128-bit keys is not a good idea, because with EC ElGamal encryption (PK encryption with the shortest possible public key) that is the practical symmetric key size. Session keys that are longer than log2 of the cyclic group order used for El Gamal encryption do not provoide any additional security at all. There is also a multi-prime RSA variant (currently not surrpoted by OpenPGP but I might recommend it for V5) in which it is not practical to use 256-bit session keys for encryption. Regards, --=20 Daniel --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQDVAwUBR0vxWa6pEulQFnIMAQJfmwX/SqBiXKOz8DZE7GXTO4XbwlXU3H+IUWou xWBRG0+HIRV3VcW0a4POzD/+Cp/FJuNBPOXS3ZCCs/EBhBiRDlRscEz45mtFarcO P/w1vKO83qXePG9r7njbiEfY3rvwHQoU/fqCU1EBWmbGq66srPPWxCfn/0Nv5/h6 bH1E9A6K5xsUzljmD2Ud7UVy+iYCtWepvTyqQO0HRbgYE9RvyVWrU2vu1fjnSoSk VgsdfyTH6ap3oMywfdOtI0olwVP7TaxL =rtfB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS-- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAR9FKsc023761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:15:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lAR9FKbt023760; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:15:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from kerckhoffs.g10code.com (kerckhoffs.g10code.com [217.69.77.222]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAR9FI1T023754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:15:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wk@gnupg.org) Received: from uucp by kerckhoffs.g10code.com with local-rmail (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1IwwfP-0004Xi-4S for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:23:43 +0100 Received: from wk by localhost with local (Exim 4.62 #1 (Debian)) id 1IwwW4-0008Dw-Mk; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:14:04 +0100 From: Werner Koch To: Jon Callas Cc: David Shaw , ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt References: <20071126225152.GA10740@jabberwocky.com> Organisation: g10 Code GmbH OpenPGP: id=5B0358A2; url=finger:wk@g10code.com Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:14:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Jon Callas's message of "Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:25:48 -0800") Message-ID: <87myt0aw4j.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:25, jon@callas.org said: > One last question is why only 256-bit keys? Why not 128 and 256 (I > don't see the point of 192-bit keys, myself)? There are many good > answers to the question. For example, if Rijndael were not the AES An argument pro 128 bit is that you can do double as many independed encryption with a given amount of random numbers. This is an advantage on small systems and those where entropy is a scarce resource. Shalom-Salam, Werner -- Die Gedanken sind frei. Auschnahme regelt ein Bundeschgesetz. Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAQNPiaX089524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:25:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lAQNPiQX089523; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:25:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [66.93.68.160]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAQNPho9089517 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:25:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jon@callas.org) Received: from keys.merrymeet.com (keys.merrymeet.com [66.93.68.161]) (Authenticated sender: jon) by merrymeet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377FDAC235E for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:25:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.16.100] ([77.221.180.183]) by keys.merrymeet.com (PGP Universal service); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:25:43 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.merrymeet.com on Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:25:43 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20071126225152.GA10740@jabberwocky.com> References: <20071126225152.GA10740@jabberwocky.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org From: Jon Callas Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:25:48 -0800 To: David Shaw X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-PGP-Encoding-Format: Partitioned X-PGP-Encoding-Version: 2.0.2 X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > If folks could comment on this draft, I'd appreciate it. > > There may well be nothing to say (the draft is not particularly > complex or controversial), in which case a "looks sane to me" comment > would be appreciated. It's hard to tell the difference between > silence because there are no objections and silence because there is > no interest. It looks sane to me. However, while RFC3713 specifies clearly that Camillia has a 128-bit block, I think you should too. Because of the eccentricities of what we do with CFB, block size is very important. I think it's wise to point out that has the same block size as AES and Twofish. It's just another sentence. One last question is why only 256-bit keys? Why not 128 and 256 (I don't see the point of 192-bit keys, myself)? There are many good answers to the question. For example, if Rijndael were not the AES and we were adding it in, a good answer would be that Rijndael-256 is only about 20% slower than Rijndael-128, and because of that, most people will use the 256-bit keys anyway; most Rijndael applications just go right to 256. Another answer, less good, is that we don't want to consume two cipher numbers. If there is a good technical reason, then it might also be good to put it in the draft, because people will wonder and presume that it's just because we only want to use one cipher number if you don't. Your draft is nice and elegant and short, and so you can add in a few more explanatory sentences. It will make the developer's life easier. Jon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Universal 2.6.3 Charset: US-ASCII wj8DBQFHS1X3sTedWZOD3gYRAhXFAJwOUBnM1bLUAIdJ7JaTBodUpidZ1wCgtDBp 6qmaQtBNRZM7/zrK4xwkEsU= =84Bb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAQMqAfJ086581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:52:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lAQMqAfs086580; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:52:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAQMq9ec086571 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:52:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.jabberwocky.com (c-75-69-177-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [75.69.177.157]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id lAQMq3M22868 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:52:03 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAQMpwbT000922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:51:58 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAQMpwNQ010802 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:51:58 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lAQMprG0010801 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:51:53 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:51:52 -0500 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt Message-ID: <20071126225152.GA10740@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-05-20) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Thu, Nov 08, 2007 at 05:15:01PM -0500, Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the An Open Specification for Pretty Good Privacy Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : The Camellia Cipher in OpenPGP > Author(s) : D. Shaw > Filename : draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt > Pages : 5 > Date : 2007-11-8 > > This document presents the necessary information to use the Camellia > symmetric cipher in the OpenPGP protocol. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt If folks could comment on this draft, I'd appreciate it. There may well be nothing to say (the draft is not particularly complex or controversial), in which case a "looks sane to me" comment would be appreciated. It's hard to tell the difference between silence because there are no objections and silence because there is no interest. David Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAJHBYX1001663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:11:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lAJHBYbT001662; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:11:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAJHBW9I001654 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:11:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.jabberwocky.com (c-75-69-177-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [75.69.177.157]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id lAJHBVM08795 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:11:31 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAJHBQ0v030596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:11:26 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAJHBQNq005395 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:11:26 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lAJHBP4A005394 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:11:25 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:11:24 -0500 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Issue with RFC4880 IANA Registrations Message-ID: <20071119171124.GA5353@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: <7192D139-C934-4999-B9ED-DE678BFCB5D2@callas.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-05-20) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Mon, Nov 19, 2007 at 09:56:01AM -0500, Derek Atkins wrote: > Based on this (and David Shaw's) response, it sounds like there > is a bug in the document, because we do NOT actually create that > registry of "extra metadata flags" in the IANA considerations section. > > I've CC'd Sam on this and I'll talk to IANA to see what we need > to do to correct this oversight. I hope we don't need a new document > to correct it, but as the RFC has already been published I don't > know what we can do. Can you actually create a registry in an > errata? If the errata path doesn't work out, we could publish a brand new "OpenPGP Notations" document that specifies a notation or two (maybe formalize the preferred-email-encoding@pgp.com notation into a standard one). That document could create the new registry. David Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAJEuFMl089424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:56:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lAJEuF22089423; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:56:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ihtfp.org (MAIL.IHTFP.ORG [204.107.200.6]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAJEuCAE089413 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:56:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from derek@ihtfp.com) Received: from pgpdev.ihtfp.org (hp1600-tcofc.newnanutilities.org [216.130.128.154]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cliodev.ihtfp.com", Issuer "IHTFP Consulting Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by mail.ihtfp.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AAF0BD8549; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:56:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from warlord@localhost) by pgpdev.ihtfp.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lAJEu1LI008973; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:56:01 -0500 To: Jon Callas Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org, hartmans-ietf@mit.edu Subject: Re: Issue with RFC4880 IANA Registrations References: <7192D139-C934-4999-B9ED-DE678BFCB5D2@callas.org> From: Derek Atkins Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:56:01 -0500 In-Reply-To: <7192D139-C934-4999-B9ED-DE678BFCB5D2@callas.org> (Jon Callas's message of "Sat\, 17 Nov 2007 13\:24\:02 -0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Jon, Jon Callas writes: > Let me take a step back. I think that may bring clarity. > > Notations are a name-value pair in a signature, with arbitrary binary > data allowed as the name and value. (I would use the word "key" as > that's more traditional in data structures, but that would be > confusing.) If you allow arbitrary values for names, there's the > possibility of collisions in names. Hence a registry is desirable. > This registry is presently null. > > We also allowed for an unmanaged space of the form foo@example.com, > for the owners of any example.com domain, and if they step on their > own feet that's their problem. > > There is also metadata. The only metadata we have is the single flag. > Beyond that flag, no one has thought of any other needed metadata, > and even that one flag is something we seem to have consensus on, and > that consensus is that it is more charming than useful. Thus, it > seems we need a registry for those flags because if we don't, then a > week from now someone will come up with a brilliant idea that needs > one. Murphy's Law is like that. > > So there are two possible registries: one for the managed space of > names, and one for extra metadata flags. Does this clear it up? > > Jon Based on this (and David Shaw's) response, it sounds like there is a bug in the document, because we do NOT actually create that registry of "extra metadata flags" in the IANA considerations section. I've CC'd Sam on this and I'll talk to IANA to see what we need to do to correct this oversight. I hope we don't need a new document to correct it, but as the RFC has already been published I don't know what we can do. Can you actually create a registry in an errata? -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAHLqqxS029883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:52:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lAHLqqeK029882; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:52:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAHLqpXV029875 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:52:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.jabberwocky.com (c-75-69-177-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [75.69.177.157]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id lAHLqnM29350 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:52:49 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAHLqiIt020048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:52:45 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAHLqiOc004915 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:52:44 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lAHLqhtQ004914 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:52:43 -0500 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:52:43 -0500 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Issue with RFC4880 IANA Registrations Message-ID: <20071117215243.GA32010@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-05-20) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Fri, Nov 16, 2007 at 12:17:12PM -0500, Derek Atkins wrote: > There seems to be a disconnect between these two sections. My reading > of 10.2.2.1 is that there's a registry of the notation names, of which > there don't appear to be any defined in 5.2.3.16. Yes. An existing, but currently empty registry. > However there doesn't appear to be a registry of the "flags", of > which there IS a single entry (0x80) defined in 5.2.3.16. Yes. > So did we miss a needed registry or Notation Data Flags? Or are the > labels in 10.2.2.1 just not the same as the labels in 5.2.3.16 and the > label disconnect is causing confusion? My take is that, yes, we're missing a registry for the flags. I believe it should be an IETF CONSENSUS registry. David Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAHLO5Qx028113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:24:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lAHLO5OB028112; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:24:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [66.93.68.160]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAHLO29B028100 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:24:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jon@callas.org) Received: from keys.merrymeet.com (keys.merrymeet.com [66.93.68.161]) (Authenticated sender: jon) by merrymeet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 634D7A91AF5 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:24:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.93.68.165] ([66.93.68.165]) by keys.merrymeet.com (PGP Universal service); Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:24:01 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.merrymeet.com on Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:24:01 -0800 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: <7192D139-C934-4999-B9ED-DE678BFCB5D2@callas.org> Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org From: Jon Callas Subject: Re: Issue with RFC4880 IANA Registrations Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:24:02 -0800 To: Derek Atkins X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-PGP-Encoding-Format: Partitioned X-PGP-Encoding-Version: 2.0.2 X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Let me take a step back. I think that may bring clarity. Notations are a name-value pair in a signature, with arbitrary binary data allowed as the name and value. (I would use the word "key" as that's more traditional in data structures, but that would be confusing.) If you allow arbitrary values for names, there's the possibility of collisions in names. Hence a registry is desirable. This registry is presently null. We also allowed for an unmanaged space of the form foo@example.com, for the owners of any example.com domain, and if they step on their own feet that's their problem. There is also metadata. The only metadata we have is the single flag. Beyond that flag, no one has thought of any other needed metadata, and even that one flag is something we seem to have consensus on, and that consensus is that it is more charming than useful. Thus, it seems we need a registry for those flags because if we don't, then a week from now someone will come up with a brilliant idea that needs one. Murphy's Law is like that. So there are two possible registries: one for the managed space of names, and one for extra metadata flags. Does this clear it up? Jon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Universal 2.6.3 Charset: US-ASCII wj8DBQFHP1vxsTedWZOD3gYRAsicAKD3edxNH9DpNes4r+Uiftx0KWvKeQCffQ09 khrjmNVMcNHsESqfZFz66eo= =uaQW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAGHHIbH007515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:17:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lAGHHICW007514; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:17:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ihtfp.org (MAIL.IHTFP.ORG [204.107.200.6]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lAGHHGvO007507 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:17:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from derek@ihtfp.com) Received: from pgpdev.ihtfp.org (PGPDEV.IHTFP.ORG [204.107.200.23]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cliodev.ihtfp.com", Issuer "IHTFP Consulting Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by mail.ihtfp.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FB80BD857B for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:17:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from warlord@localhost) by pgpdev.ihtfp.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lAGHHEL5008628; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:17:14 -0500 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Issue with RFC4880 IANA Registrations From: Derek Atkins Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:17:12 -0500 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi, I've been working offline with the IANA to get the OpenPGP registries in place and we've hit a snag, so I figured I'd write the working group to see how we as a WG want to proceed. The snag appears to be a missing registry creation task in regards to Notation Data flags. Section 5.2.3.16 (Notation Data) has the following: (4 octets of flags, 2 octets of name length (M), 2 octets of value length (N), M octets of name data, N octets of value data) This subpacket describes a "notation" on the signature that the issuer wishes to make. The notation has a name and a value, each of which are strings of octets. There may be more than one notation in a signature. Notations can be used for any extension the issuer of the signature cares to make. The "flags" field holds four octets of flags. All undefined flags MUST be zero. Defined flags are as follows: First octet: 0x80 = human-readable. This note value is text. Other octets: none. [snip] The IANA Considerations section says: 10.2.2.1. Signature Notation Data Subpackets OpenPGP signatures further contain a mechanism for extensions in signatures. These are the Notation Data subpackets, which contain a key/value pair. Notations contain a user space that is completely unmanaged and an IETF space. This specification creates a registry of Signature Notation Data types. The registry includes the Signature Notation Data type, the name of the Signature Notation Data, its allowed values, and a reference to the defining specification. The initial values for this registry can be found in Section 5.2.3.16. Adding a new Signature Notation Data subpacket MUST be done through the EXPERT REVIEW method, as described in [RFC2434]. There seems to be a disconnect between these two sections. My reading of 10.2.2.1 is that there's a registry of the notation names, of which there don't appear to be any defined in 5.2.3.16. However there doesn't appear to be a registry of the "flags", of which there IS a single entry (0x80) defined in 5.2.3.16. So did we miss a needed registry or Notation Data Flags? Or are the labels in 10.2.2.1 just not the same as the labels in 5.2.3.16 and the label disconnect is causing confusion? -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA9DoTmL003609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:50:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA9DoTTg003608; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:50:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.epointsystem.org (120.156-228-195.hosting.adatpark.hu [195.228.156.120]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA9DoOww003597 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:50:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nagydani@epointsystem.org) Received: by mail.epointsystem.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A7FEE3CC5; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 14:50:22 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 14:50:22 +0100 To: Ian G Cc: Jon Callas , Werner Koch , OpenPGP Subject: Re: Simplified OpenPGP Message-ID: <20071109135021.GC10186@epointsystem.org> References: <20071106230449.04B9014F6BC@finney.org> <87sl3i5izs.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> <64AC8A56-8463-4C6F-A84F-45DB75921EA6@callas.org> <87mytp1917.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> <86426B1A-D363-4BB9-A6B8-6793AC06FB85@callas.org> <47333C60.30503@systemics.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <47333C60.30503@systemics.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here are my thoughts on simplified OpenPGP. I don't think that there is one size that fits all. I think, we need at least three profiles: 1. Backwards compatibility profile. 3DES, SHA1, RSA2048 (for both encryption and signature) This is supported by most software and hardware and is reasonably secure. 2. Lightweight/mobile profile. Mobile considerations: Communication costs over GSM networks are measured in the multiples of 140 bytes (or 1120 bits), which cost about =E2=82=AC0.10. Asymmetrically encrypted session keys are equal to the public key length for RSA and twice that for ElGamal. Digital signatures are the size of the public key for RSA, and twice the size of the hash function for DSA variants. El-Gamal sitnatures weight twice the public key length, but that is irrelevant because there is no advantage in using El-Gamal over DSA. Randomness available in mobile phones is typically very poor. The reference implementation of SSL for mobiles has recently been broken because of that. Now, DSA signatures can reveal the private key(!) if the randomness source they use is bad. Thankfully, mobile SSL uses RSA signatures, thus poor randomness only hurts confidentiality but does not reveal any private key or theaten authenticity and integrity. As you can see, some of these considerations are in conflict. My take is that we should play it out in the real world and standardize on what works best later. 3. General PC profile. Go for Pareto-complete algorithms, with over-designed symmetric parameters (because those are much cheaper): AES256, SHA512, RSA4096 (for both encryption and signature) Any news on algebraic attacks on AES? --=20 Daniel --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQDVAwUBRzRlna6pEulQFnIMAQJDaAX9Eb05u0QpOFGGWaKnq7xij6Xl69zZPHEi swIpgrE2jf1ldLG/fzWx19TH9BRjO33QzoS4a0obE7yiVjPc0rcw9pASDsHiu5Kh tOIpqkAaD4WLeE2xBEF2VE4CGEqDlL6OKD9pnTqYgeFKi2w9nhfh3FgnoxDj8lVI kJ8jCdFWgT1m+Mj4EOD4KTMnJrdCqky7KE+Mvah8R7ftsdYetaZhusCgNaGyHJhU U5wSU15ql5wgmQZXiCJJ1a/2flyuu7bj =FIeE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V-- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA91TiSn053478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:29:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA91TifR053477; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:29:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (moe.its.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.12.35]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA91ThVu053471 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:29:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E82B480470; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 14:29:42 +1300 (NZDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mailhost.auckland.ac.nz Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (moe.its.auckland.ac.nz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VVNPAhF6mLJq; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 14:29:42 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from iris.cs.auckland.ac.nz (iris.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.33.152]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0773480460; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 14:29:39 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from wintermute02.cs.auckland.ac.nz (wintermute02.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.207.92]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by iris.cs.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5B13E080B5; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 14:29:34 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from pgut001 by wintermute02.cs.auckland.ac.nz with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IqIgg-0005u5-QA; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 14:29:34 +1300 From: pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz (Peter Gutmann) To: hironobu@h2np.net, ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Simplified OpenPGP In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 14:29:34 +1300 Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hironobu SUZUKI writes: >Simplified OpenPGP should be just simplifed, I mean it is not used for >financial B2B online service or so on. > > AES 128 / SHA256 / DSA 2048-224 / RSA 2048 / ECC 224 > >I think it is enough for a sort of casual cryptographic usage for next ten >years. Sounds good, with one minor nitpick: I'd recommend combining DSA 2048 with SHA256, SHA224 is an oddball hash algorithm that seems to be rather poorly supported (compared to the mainstream SHA256/512), and if you're requiring SHA256 anyway there's no good reason not to just use that with DSA. Peter. 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2007-11-8163645.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-00.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2007-11-8163645.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA8GgD7N016318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:42:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA8GgDAW016317; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:42:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from goten.sonance.net (goten.sonance.net [88.198.58.135]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA8GgB1m016310 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:42:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from iang@systemics.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F25357C02; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:47:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from goten.sonance.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (goten.sonance.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iyhE7iKQMRVG; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:47:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from zhukov.local (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7D9C57BF8; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:47:36 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <47333C60.30503@systemics.com> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:42:08 +0100 From: Ian G User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jon Callas CC: Werner Koch , OpenPGP Subject: Re: Simplified OpenPGP References: <20071106230449.04B9014F6BC@finney.org> <87sl3i5izs.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> <64AC8A56-8463-4C6F-A84F-45DB75921EA6@callas.org> <87mytp1917.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> <86426B1A-D363-4BB9-A6B8-6793AC06FB85@callas.org> In-Reply-To: <86426B1A-D363-4BB9-A6B8-6793AC06FB85@callas.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Jon Callas wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > On Nov 7, 2007, at 11:38 PM, Werner Koch wrote: > >> On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:20, jon@callas.org said: >> >>> Here are some things I might put in a profile: >> I agree with all of that except for: >> >>> * Use only RSA 4096 bit public keys >> it is not a real problem for a modern desktop box but for small or >> embedded devices it is not going to work. There are also no >> smartycards >> in the foreseeable future that will support such a key length. Before >> settling on this we should investigate ECC based algorithms. >> > > Then pick a different size. I picked 4096 because it's big and apt to > stay viable for the forseeable future. NIST's numbers say that 3072 > is equivalent to a 128-bit key. On the other hand, I know there's > still a lot of smartcards and the like that are stuck at 2048. I > wouldn't go below 2048. Again, violent agreement. I would say that the core OpenPGP thrust should be to create the profile for the biggest 800lb gorrilla market, which is the Intel-based PC. It's been the big platform for the last 25 years, and will be for the foreseeable future. Which has plenty of power to spare. So picking RSA and 4096 sounds good as a pencilled-in number for now. SHA-3 when it turns up. AES-256. Some new mode that is to be chosen in future violent & agreeable debate. Then, for the mobile guys, let them form a subgroup to create the "mobile profile." It will be completely different, and "weak" by the standards of the main group. No problem, different model. I am a great believer in one entire suite of algorithms melded together as a cohesive whole. No agility within. So I think the way forward is to pick a spot in the future, and create a great combination for then. And then stick to it. I say more on my singular view here: https://financialcryptography.com/mt/archives/000983.html http://iang.org/ssl/h1_the_one_true_cipher_suite.html which reflects the good old days of pgp 2 :) iang Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA89phi7083006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 02:51:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA89ph9i083005; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 02:51:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from h2np.net (sea.h2np.net [220.110.1.194]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA89pfP1082999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 02:51:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hironobu@mail.h2np.net) Received: from lax.h2np.net ([220.110.1.195] helo=mail.h2np.net) by h2np.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Iq430-0004jy-Az for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:51:38 +0900 From: Hironobu SUZUKI To: OpenPGP Subject: Re: Simplified OpenPGP In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:54:37 PST." <86426B1A-D363-4BB9-A6B8-6793AC06FB85@callas.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:51:38 +0900 Message-Id: Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: > Then pick a different size. I picked 4096 because it's big and apt to > stay viable for the forseeable future. NIST's numbers say that 3072 > is equivalent to a 128-bit key. On the other hand, I know there's > still a lot of smartcards and the like that are stuck at 2048. I > wouldn't go below 2048. I agree. Simplified OpenPGP should be just simplifed, I mean it is not used for financial B2B online service or so on. AES 128 / SHA256 / DSA 2048-224 / RSA 2048 / ECC 224 I think it is enough for a sort of casual cryptographic usage for next ten years. Regards, --- Hironobu SUZUKI Tokyo, Japan. http://h2np.net Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA88sdaI079120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 01:54:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA88sde4079119; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 01:54:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [66.93.68.160]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA88scFp079113 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 01:54:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jon@callas.org) Received: from keys.merrymeet.com (keys.merrymeet.com [66.93.68.161]) (Authenticated sender: jon) by merrymeet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72A09A54CC1 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:54:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.93.68.165] ([66.93.68.165]) by keys.merrymeet.com (PGP Universal service); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:54:38 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.merrymeet.com on Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:54:38 -0800 In-Reply-To: <87mytp1917.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> References: <20071106230449.04B9014F6BC@finney.org> <87sl3i5izs.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> <64AC8A56-8463-4C6F-A84F-45DB75921EA6@callas.org> <87mytp1917.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: <86426B1A-D363-4BB9-A6B8-6793AC06FB85@callas.org> Cc: OpenPGP From: Jon Callas Subject: Re: Simplified OpenPGP Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:54:37 -0800 To: Werner Koch X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-PGP-Encoding-Format: Partitioned X-PGP-Encoding-Version: 2.0.2 X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 7, 2007, at 11:38 PM, Werner Koch wrote: > > On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:20, jon@callas.org said: > >> Here are some things I might put in a profile: > > I agree with all of that except for: > >> * Use only RSA 4096 bit public keys > > it is not a real problem for a modern desktop box but for small or > embedded devices it is not going to work. There are also no > smartycards > in the foreseeable future that will support such a key length. Before > settling on this we should investigate ECC based algorithms. > Then pick a different size. I picked 4096 because it's big and apt to stay viable for the forseeable future. NIST's numbers say that 3072 is equivalent to a 128-bit key. On the other hand, I know there's still a lot of smartcards and the like that are stuck at 2048. I wouldn't go below 2048. Jon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Universal 2.6.3 Charset: US-ASCII wj8DBQFHMs7OsTedWZOD3gYRAtj7AKDYbvGsMs3Oy0zsF34YdkWl8qSLgQCg9QJD ln8WMTRiKs1x2h/rGeReaRE= =L3/p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA88qVve079008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 01:52:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA88qVFN079007; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 01:52:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [66.93.68.160]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA88qUi3078996 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 01:52:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jon@callas.org) Received: from keys.merrymeet.com (keys.merrymeet.com [66.93.68.161]) (Authenticated sender: jon) by merrymeet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE4D6A54CAA for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:52:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.93.68.165] ([66.93.68.165]) by keys.merrymeet.com (PGP Universal service); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:52:29 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.merrymeet.com on Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:52:29 -0800 In-Reply-To: <87ir4d18xj.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> <473085CA.7050006@systemics.com> <87sl3ih0qn.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> <87ir4d18xj.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: <13E5E90D-E8F9-4715-B6E1-6C9F2F18E35D@callas.org> Cc: Ian G , ietf-openpgp@imc.org From: Jon Callas Subject: Re: Next Steps Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:52:27 -0800 To: Werner Koch X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-PGP-Encoding-Format: Partitioned X-PGP-Encoding-Version: 2.0.2 X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 7, 2007, at 11:40 PM, Werner Koch wrote: > > On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:14, jon@callas.org said: > >> There are people who want that. But there are people who point out >> that if you require something like salted hashing for a hash >> function, then it loses its most valuable facet -- that it is a hash > > My point is that we can't know for sure right now, so better lets wait > some time and evaluate the situation again. > Okay, then we're in violent agreement. Jon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Universal 2.6.3 Charset: US-ASCII wj8DBQFHMs5NsTedWZOD3gYRAn/GAJoCkramNRaqRqixunV0tk+Y2hUnZQCgsvJr pRmidDKZ8YWx+75vE4Zp81I= =Pn2H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA87klQ4073952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:46:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA87klg4073951; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:46:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from kerckhoffs.g10code.com (kerckhoffs.g10code.com [217.69.77.222]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA87kiPi073941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:46:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wk@gnupg.org) Received: from uucp by kerckhoffs.g10code.com with local-rmail (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1Iq2EI-00006S-42 for ; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:55:10 +0100 Received: from wk by localhost with local (Exim 4.62 #1 (Debian)) id 1Iq20W-00032L-MB; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:40:57 +0100 From: Werner Koch To: Jon Callas Cc: Ian G , ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Next Steps References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> <473085CA.7050006@systemics.com> <87sl3ih0qn.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> Organisation: g10 Code GmbH OpenPGP: id=5B0358A2; url=finger:wk@g10code.com Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:40:56 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Jon Callas's message of "Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:14:21 -0800") Message-ID: <87ir4d18xj.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:14, jon@callas.org said: > There are people who want that. But there are people who point out > that if you require something like salted hashing for a hash > function, then it loses its most valuable facet -- that it is a hash My point is that we can't know for sure right now, so better lets wait some time and evaluate the situation again. Shalom-Salam, Werner -- Die Gedanken sind frei. Auschnahme regelt ein Bundeschgesetz. Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA87fl8Z073361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:41:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA87flto073360; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:41:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from kerckhoffs.g10code.com (kerckhoffs.g10code.com [217.69.77.222]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA87fi7U073349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:41:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wk@gnupg.org) Received: from uucp by kerckhoffs.g10code.com with local-rmail (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1Iq29R-00005K-TI for ; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:50:09 +0100 Received: from wk by localhost with local (Exim 4.62 #1 (Debian)) id 1Iq1yO-000320-WD; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:38:45 +0100 From: Werner Koch To: Jon Callas Cc: OpenPGP Subject: Re: Simplified OpenPGP References: <20071106230449.04B9014F6BC@finney.org> <87sl3i5izs.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> <64AC8A56-8463-4C6F-A84F-45DB75921EA6@callas.org> Organisation: g10 Code GmbH OpenPGP: id=5B0358A2; url=finger:wk@g10code.com Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:38:44 +0100 In-Reply-To: <64AC8A56-8463-4C6F-A84F-45DB75921EA6@callas.org> (Jon Callas's message of "Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:20:27 -0800") Message-ID: <87mytp1917.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:20, jon@callas.org said: > Here are some things I might put in a profile: I agree with all of that except for: > * Use only RSA 4096 bit public keys it is not a real problem for a modern desktop box but for small or embedded devices it is not going to work. There are also no smartycards in the foreseeable future that will support such a key length. Before settling on this we should investigate ECC based algorithms. Salam-Shalom, Werner -- Die Gedanken sind frei. Auschnahme regelt ein Bundeschgesetz. Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA7JKU7F024559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:20:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA7JKU5C024558; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:20:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [66.93.68.160]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA7JKU7M024550 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:20:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jon@callas.org) Received: from keys.merrymeet.com (keys.merrymeet.com [66.93.68.161]) (Authenticated sender: jon) by merrymeet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6108EA4C67B for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:20:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.93.68.165] ([66.93.68.165]) by keys.merrymeet.com (PGP Universal service); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:20:29 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.merrymeet.com on Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:20:29 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <87sl3i5izs.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> References: <20071106230449.04B9014F6BC@finney.org> <87sl3i5izs.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> Message-Id: <64AC8A56-8463-4C6F-A84F-45DB75921EA6@callas.org> From: Jon Callas Subject: Re: Simplified OpenPGP Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:20:27 -0800 To: OpenPGP X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-PGP-Encoding-Format: Partitioned X-PGP-Encoding-Version: 2.0.2 X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I also agree this is a great idea. It's one of those things I wanted to do a decade ago. What we're talking about is creating a *profile* of the base standard. The idea is that in general, you stick to the profile, and the profile allows less work on implementers. If the profile is successful in the wild, you can start deprecating the other features. Here are some things I might put in a profile: * Use only new-style headers and 5-byte lengths. * Use only AES-128 or AES-256. You have to implement 3DES, but don't use it. * Use only RSA 4096 bit public keys * Use SHA-256 and SHA-512 only. * Never use anything but an iterated-and-salted S2K. Jon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Universal 2.6.3 Charset: US-ASCII wj8DBQFHMg/9sTedWZOD3gYRArAWAJ4sFUE3mxnPOwL9Fpc3EKOX8kqtuQCgp0Ft MteJihOenFBwkDGTjlYTYlA= =1LoA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA7JETIZ023907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:14:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA7JETvN023906; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:14:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [66.93.68.160]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA7JES7R023896 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:14:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jon@callas.org) Received: from keys.merrymeet.com (keys.merrymeet.com [66.93.68.161]) (Authenticated sender: jon) by merrymeet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95A7FA4C602 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:14:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.93.68.165] ([66.93.68.165]) by keys.merrymeet.com (PGP Universal service); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:14:27 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.merrymeet.com on Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:14:27 -0800 In-Reply-To: <87sl3ih0qn.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> <473085CA.7050006@systemics.com> <87sl3ih0qn.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: Cc: Ian G , ietf-openpgp@imc.org From: Jon Callas Subject: Re: Next Steps Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:14:21 -0800 To: Werner Koch X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-PGP-Encoding-Format: Partitioned X-PGP-Encoding-Version: 2.0.2 X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > We should sync us with the NIST hash competition so that a new version > would be due not before 4 years from now. > > Although SHA-3 will be a drop-in replacement for SHA-2, my > understanding > is that there will be suggestions on new usage modes like > randomization > of hashing. That requires substantial changes to OpenPGP. That is not my understanding. There are people who want that. But there are people who point out that if you require something like salted hashing for a hash function, then it loses its most valuable facet -- that it is a hash function. The latter group are all of us who have to implement these in real world systems. As I understand the consensus, there is value in having people define modes of operation for hash functions like salted hashes, that's good. And defining how you'd use a salted hash into a signature might be good. But requiring a mode of operation would be like creating CFB along with AES. Modes of operation can be used with *any* underlying function. We can, and should separate any mode of operation from the other discussion. The whole point of salted hashing, for example, is to compensate for broken hash functions, and making a hash function that works is a better solution. If 4880 were still open, I'd drop in constants SHA-3 for all four of its lengths, and we'd be done, just as we were for AES. Now, that would be a short RFC. Jon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Universal 2.6.3 Charset: US-ASCII wj8DBQFHMg6RsTedWZOD3gYRAvAUAJ9NjAYzvydP5XadfMVhN2LenNUJ/wCcCNOh o47ufH5YLxwyseX6O/n8Ajo= =rRqF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA7ElDVM097990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:47:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA7ElD2B097989; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:47:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from goten.sonance.net (goten.sonance.net [88.198.58.135]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA7ElCtC097979 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:47:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from iang@systemics.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E01C57C05; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:52:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from goten.sonance.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (goten.sonance.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GkJ6MXIU0PJc; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:52:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from zhukov.local (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6665757C04; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:52:37 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4731CFEE.4070004@systemics.com> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:47:10 +0100 From: Ian G User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Werner Koch CC: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Next Steps References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> <473085CA.7050006@systemics.com> <87sl3ih0qn.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> In-Reply-To: <87sl3ih0qn.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Werner Koch wrote: > On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:18, iang@systemics.com said: > >> supposing that we do proceed to do a next generation, are we planning >> on a "big" change over a 10 year cycle, or are we planning on a >> "small" change with only modest fix-ups? > > We should sync us with the NIST hash competition so that a new version > would be due not before 4 years from now. > > Although SHA-3 will be a drop-in replacement for SHA-2, my understanding > is that there will be suggestions on new usage modes like randomization > of hashing. That requires substantial changes to OpenPGP. Yes, this is where I was heading with my question on big cycle versus small. When OpenPGP started as a working group, we knew X as a community about crypto. That X was some large delta away from what PRZ and his large team of helpers know 5-10 years earlier. Call their knowledge V. Now, 10 years later again, we know X plus another big delta, call it Y. The whole issue of HMACs is post-OpenPGP's inception, and block encryption algorithm design process has been radicalised by the AES competition. Fixing the message digest "weakness" actually has more ramifications than just changing the current one. Threat models and security models are now informed by actual heavy experience. Etc etc. I wonder if the answer is that we should bite the bullet and say: let's plan on another 10 year cycle. That is, let's spend an entire year just discussing what the next generation OpenPGP should look like. Alternatively, we might fall in the trap of trying to squeeze too many short term fixes in and still take a decade. iang Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA7Ed98D097222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:39:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA7Ed97b097221; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:39:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from goten.sonance.net (goten.sonance.net [88.198.58.135]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA7Ed76S097211 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:39:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from iang@systemics.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8390E57C02; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:44:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from goten.sonance.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (goten.sonance.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gM4qb59Dhfuq; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:44:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from zhukov.local (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 392EB57BF8; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:44:32 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4731CE09.2070100@systemics.com> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:39:05 +0100 From: Ian G User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Derek Atkins CC: "Daniel A. Nagy" , ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Next Steps References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> <20071106151602.GB18459@epointsystem.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Derek Atkins wrote: > nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) writes: > >> No, it is not. A single block operation takes almost half a second on >> NOKIA 3410, which means that encrypting a simple text message takes seconds, >> which is not nice from a user experience PoV. > > Huh! Are you sure you're using an AES implementation that's optimized > for your platform? You can get an order-of-magnitude improvement by > optimizing the code (or running an assembler version). Obviously there > are time/space tradeoffs to be made as well, but I find it hard to > believe that it takes 500ms for a single block operation even in an > optimized implementation. Dani probably knows what he is doing. The mobile phone is a particularly difficult device, and unlike ordinary PC platforms, performance is a very big issue. Also, the security model is somewhat different to the normal OpenPGP world. Dani's security model is more about transactional security and less about being able to crack the encryption. OpenPGP's security model derives from the 80s and early 90s when every radical in the world was fighting governments with acres of cryptocrunching big iron. Quite different worlds and quite different viewpoints. (OK, I might know a little more than said here because I've talked to Dani at times about it, and there are lots of "gotchas". From my understanding of payment systems and the like, he doesn't need to guarantee 100% that the message is unreadable, because there are too many other end-node threats for that to be valuable.) That said, it is a good question for the OpenPGP community: do we accept a weaker algorithm for edge cases? The answer is historically, "maybe," IMHO. We, as a community, have not moved aggressively in the past to repair every weakness, which indicates that our world of users is dominated by "good enough" not "perfect". Long discussion.... iang Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA7DN1l0089400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 7 Nov 2007 06:23:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA7DN1h1089399; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 06:23:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ihtfp.org (MAIL.IHTFP.ORG [204.107.200.6]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA7DMwkT089389 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 06:23:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from derek@ihtfp.com) Received: from pgpdev.ihtfp.org (PGPDEV.IHTFP.ORG [204.107.200.23]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cliodev.ihtfp.com", Issuer "IHTFP Consulting Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by mail.ihtfp.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE8DBD8556; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:22:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from warlord@localhost) by pgpdev.ihtfp.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lA7DMvtT018903; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:22:57 -0500 To: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Next Steps References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> <20071106151602.GB18459@epointsystem.org> From: Derek Atkins Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:22:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20071106151602.GB18459@epointsystem.org> (Daniel A. Nagy's message of "Tue\, 6 Nov 2007 16\:16\:02 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) writes: > No, it is not. A single block operation takes almost half a second on > NOKIA 3410, which means that encrypting a simple text message takes seconds, > which is not nice from a user experience PoV. Huh! Are you sure you're using an AES implementation that's optimized for your platform? You can get an order-of-magnitude improvement by optimizing the code (or running an assembler version). Obviously there are time/space tradeoffs to be made as well, but I find it hard to believe that it takes 500ms for a single block operation even in an optimized implementation. -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA7Cfka1085327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:41:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA7Cfk3e085326; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:41:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from kerckhoffs.g10code.com (kerckhoffs.g10code.com [217.69.77.222]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA7Cfi4R085316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:41:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wk@gnupg.org) Received: from uucp by kerckhoffs.g10code.com with local-rmail (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1IpkMC-00046t-Ti for ; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:50:08 +0100 Received: from wk by localhost with local (Exim 4.62 #1 (Debian)) id 1IpkAB-0000Oo-Sn; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:37:44 +0100 From: Werner Koch To: hal@finney.org ("Hal Finney") Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Simplified OpenPGP References: <20071106230449.04B9014F6BC@finney.org> Organisation: g10 Code GmbH OpenPGP: id=5B0358A2; url=finger:wk@g10code.com Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:37:43 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20071106230449.04B9014F6BC@finney.org> (Hal Finney's message of "Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:04:49 -0800 (PST)") Message-ID: <87sl3i5izs.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 00:04, hal@finney.org said: > The goal is to create a subset of OpenPGP which is backwards compatible in > that messages created in this subset can be read by old OpenPGP clients, > but not vice versa. The most widely used OpenPGP clients that participate > here can be updated to only create in the subset. Then new implementors > can ignore some fraction of the spec, making their job somewhat easier. I agree to define a subset for a minimal implementation. However I don't think we will ever be able to drop all of the old cruft from the specs. Too many data has been encrypted and signed using OpenPGP and thus there is a real need to be able to process such data. BTW, the bit twiddling we use and the various ways of encoding packet headers are still much simpler than the X.509 or CMS way of describing and encoding things. Creating a fully compliant OpenPGP parser is not a big task and actually very simple code. Compare that to a full BER/DER parser as required by X.509/CMS. > I don't see creating a new specification based on these principles > as an enormous task. It is merely another way of encoding the same > information that is already described in the spec. Ideally we could That would not be anymore OpenPGP but a new protocol. I doubt that there is a community interest in doing so. CMS is getting used more and more and OpenPGP already has a hard time to stand up against CMS. Adding a new variant of OpenPGP would be the death for it. Salam-Shalom, Werner -- Die Gedanken sind frei. Auschnahme regelt ein Bundeschgesetz. 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( [201.235.164.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b45sm6260949hsa.2007.11.07.03.57.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 03:57:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4731A827.4070305@buanzo.com.ar> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:57:27 -0300 From: "Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman" Organization: GNU/Buanzo User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071022) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ian G CC: Hal Finney , ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Simplified OpenPGP References: <20071106230449.04B9014F6BC@finney.org> <4731A360.2090801@systemics.com> In-Reply-To: <4731A360.2090801@systemics.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: id=6857704D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Ian G wrote: > I don't need to read any further to know that it gets my vote! I read it from head to tail, and I quite like the idea. Given how big is getting OpenPGP, a simplified, well-defined subset is an important need that will open the doors to more OpenPGP Mobile and embedded implementations, and will also be (on a personal note here) of great use for the OpenPGP Extensions to HTTP I'm working on. - -- Arturo "Buanzo" Busleiman - Consultor Independiente en Seguridad Informatica Servicios Ofrecidos: http://www.buanzo.com.ar/pro/ Unase a los Foros GNU/Buanzo - La palabra Comunidad en su maxima expresion. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHMagnAlpOsGhXcE0RCjosAJ98jPkeZkirYUcbiGPQntTAT9JShgCfelkr BUVw2mIcc2DvXilYlPw5XuY= =AtVx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA7Bb8Iu080090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 7 Nov 2007 04:37:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA7Bb8OJ080089; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 04:37:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from goten.sonance.net (goten.sonance.net [88.198.58.135]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA7Bb6uq080080 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 04:37:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from iang@systemics.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A191957C02; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:42:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from goten.sonance.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (goten.sonance.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b1cPx7zsWsTk; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:42:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from zhukov.local (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C2857BF8; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:42:31 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4731A360.2090801@systemics.com> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:37:04 +0100 From: Ian G User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hal Finney CC: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Simplified OpenPGP References: <20071106230449.04B9014F6BC@finney.org> In-Reply-To: <20071106230449.04B9014F6BC@finney.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hal Finney wrote: > My personal biggest wish list item is one we have discussed before. We > need to do something to make OpenPGP easier to implement. IMO we need > to rationalize and simplify our data structures. Too many warts have > grown up over the years in the name of backwards compatibility and > over-optimization. I don't need to read any further to know that it gets my vote! (But I will anyway.) iang Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA79LkTG068014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 7 Nov 2007 02:21:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA79LkPD068013; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 02:21:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from kerckhoffs.g10code.com (kerckhoffs.g10code.com [217.69.77.222]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA79LiMh068006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 02:21:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wk@gnupg.org) Received: from uucp by kerckhoffs.g10code.com with local-rmail (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1IphEf-00059O-DA for ; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:30:09 +0100 Received: from wk by localhost with local (Exim 4.62 #1 (Debian)) id 1Iph3p-0003r6-He; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:18:58 +0100 From: Werner Koch To: Ian G Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Next Steps References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> <473085CA.7050006@systemics.com> Organisation: g10 Code GmbH OpenPGP: id=5B0358A2; url=finger:wk@g10code.com Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:18:56 +0100 In-Reply-To: <473085CA.7050006@systemics.com> (Ian G.'s message of "Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:18:34 +0100") Message-ID: <87sl3ih0qn.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:18, iang@systemics.com said: > supposing that we do proceed to do a next generation, are we planning > on a "big" change over a 10 year cycle, or are we planning on a > "small" change with only modest fix-ups? We should sync us with the NIST hash competition so that a new version would be due not before 4 years from now. Although SHA-3 will be a drop-in replacement for SHA-2, my understanding is that there will be suggestions on new usage modes like randomization of hashing. That requires substantial changes to OpenPGP. Salam-Shalom, Werner -- Die Gedanken sind frei. Auschnahme regelt ein Bundeschgesetz. Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA79GlQO067677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 7 Nov 2007 02:16:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA79Gl8m067676; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 02:16:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from kerckhoffs.g10code.com (kerckhoffs.g10code.com [217.69.77.222]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA79GhGP067662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 02:16:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wk@gnupg.org) Received: from uucp by kerckhoffs.g10code.com with local-rmail (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1Iph9o-000578-4T for ; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:25:08 +0100 Received: from wk by localhost with local (Exim 4.62 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ipgwq-0003qk-5g; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:11:44 +0100 From: Werner Koch To: Jon Callas Cc: OpenPGP Subject: Re: OpenPGP CFB mode References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> <20071106161300.GD12890@jabberwocky.com> <201FE06E-E9F4-44A9-9305-E78B312B7AA0@callas.org> Organisation: g10 Code GmbH OpenPGP: id=5B0358A2; url=finger:wk@g10code.com Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:11:43 +0100 In-Reply-To: <201FE06E-E9F4-44A9-9305-E78B312B7AA0@callas.org> (Jon Callas's message of "Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:46:49 -0800") Message-ID: <87wssuh12o.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:46, jon@callas.org said: > If we put in some new mode, the implementations will have to support > them both for years. If a major or quasi-major implementation balks, We are often specifying things in the context that some messages must be kept confidential for decades. Thus an implementation needs to support if for ore than just a few years. Even after 20 years people might want to look at archived emails. Agreed, the public key might not be anymore safe at that time but I doubt that anyone will go for cracking a key just for reading some old mails. Tying a new cipher mode to the key version (v5) is not a good idea because OpenPGP is also used for symmetric only encryption. Thus if we want to move to a new (not patent encumbered) mode it should be done when defining a new MDC format. Shalom-Salam, Werner -- Die Gedanken sind frei. Auschnahme regelt ein Bundeschgesetz. Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA78M6qg061724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 7 Nov 2007 01:22:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA78M60J061723; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 01:22:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA78M5D0061716 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 01:22:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from markokr@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c10so1483918nfd for ; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:22:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=FbS5cf3FZyuRd35r3zRCTf8Dl204UG1SX08iUarPcw4=; b=WFzsKmqSi7gmsyvis2/JcJkZnRhRx7mWKfDxHPjQxZAKNjhlc25U9soyckbm2BQBjvCQoCLEkXFT8JRvO0qwLnMjwkyDhmQ+BHq4waJswgzkJspjRw/7La3dxOaoaukuKNo/APyJvGN2VXUhGHeVapPfQZYHCmOAQDrmZpLQQPQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OGXzLDr7kpSIc+fvngaM6Sa3l/AVmCFNut13GEyxXXGKc19xdca+3rVK94OsnGnFaxRf0u98dWh438QDqYSf2acrEaVkGduSzMvCK+Xah3K9OemN9dorU0kuC4e5xjIUl9Rt2s1o+TVP9QcanV37P85rGJUkWcNz8ZwwT+3Zk78= Received: by 10.78.138.6 with SMTP id l6mr5789901hud.1194423723795; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:22:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.202.16 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 00:22:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:22:03 +0200 From: "Marko Kreen" To: OpenPGP Subject: Re: OpenPGP CFB mode (was Re: Next Steps) In-Reply-To: <20071106191200.GA19945@jabberwocky.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> <20071106161300.GD12890@jabberwocky.com> <201FE06E-E9F4-44A9-9305-E78B312B7AA0@callas.org> <20071106191200.GA19945@jabberwocky.com> Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On 11/6/07, David Shaw wrote: > On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 10:46:49AM -0800, Jon Callas wrote: > > Unless a mode change is folded in with a compelling other reason, I > > don't see it's worth the bother. Every system has warts. This is not > > a large one. > > Exactly. That's why I say that *if* we do this, we should do it as > part of V5 keys. It's not important enough to do on its own. > > I should add that I'm not exactly eager to go down the V5 keys path > without a good reason either. It would be nice to tweak some V4 > details (fingerprints being SHA-1), but I don't think those details > are compelling enough to justify a V5 by themselves. Agreed. But instead of V5 keys maybe this should be tied to stream ciphers? So instead of _just_ a new mode for block ciphers, there should be spec for stream ciphers and there could be block ciphers in counter mode added. So now the question becomes - are stream ciphers worth it? -- marko Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6NRj0W023959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:27:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA6NRjHS023958; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:27:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from finney.org (226-132.adsl2.netlojix.net [207.71.226.132]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6NRhAk023950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:27:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hal@finney.org) Received: by finney.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 04B9014F6BC; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:04:49 -0800 (PST) To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Simplified OpenPGP Message-Id: <20071106230449.04B9014F6BC@finney.org> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:04:49 -0800 (PST) From: hal@finney.org ("Hal Finney") Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: My personal biggest wish list item is one we have discussed before. We need to do something to make OpenPGP easier to implement. IMO we need to rationalize and simplify our data structures. Too many warts have grown up over the years in the name of backwards compatibility and over-optimization. I see two directions we could go. The first is to specify an OpenPGP subset. We would remove as many of the alternative ways of doing things as possible: "Old" packet headers. String2Key specifiers other than salted+iterated. Non-MDC'd encryption packets. Unprefixed symmetrically encrypted packets. Signature packets without 1pass headers. The goal is to create a subset of OpenPGP which is backwards compatible in that messages created in this subset can be read by old OpenPGP clients, but not vice versa. The most widely used OpenPGP clients that participate here can be updated to only create in the subset. Then new implementors can ignore some fraction of the spec, making their job somewhat easier. However as the list above illustrates, this only gets us so far. We need to consider the essence of OpenPGP as being the options and crypto, and not the specific data formats. Imagine the set of transformations that could be executed reversibly by a straightforward program that converted between traditional and simplified formats. It would not understand crypto at all, but it would just do a reversible transformation into some other form. Of course it could not change the plaintext of encrypted packets, but imagine that this transformation program could be hooked into the encrypt/decrypt pipeline and apply as well to plaintext. My point is that creating a new OpenPGP format which is interchangeable with the current one via such a program would not be a semantic change to the OpenPGP spec, merely surface syntax. I am not proposing that such a program would exist, rather that the existence of such a transformation would guide and constrain the kinds of syntactic changes we should consider. This would allow us to get rid of the whole concept of old and new packet headers, and instead define a simple and extensible header concept, that can support either prefixed-length or dynamic-length packets. We can fix our other data structures to simplify parsing and packet creation. The hodgepodge of different ways of specifying lengths, the kludges related to secret key packet encryption, over-optimized bitfield packing, can be streamlined. I don't see creating a new specification based on these principles as an enormous task. It is merely another way of encoding the same information that is already described in the spec. Ideally we could make this change independently of other proposed extensions to OpenPGP semantics or cryptography. Several problems remain. How would we make a transition to using a new and completely incompatible format? And what about legacy messages and keys? Some keys have expiration dates decades in the future; key signatures using current packet formats were expected to retain their validity for that long. We can't change packet formats on signed data without breaking signatures. These appear solvable. We can handle the switchover exactly as we have handled the introduction of other incompatible changes such as new packet types. At first we support both versions and create one or the other kind of message depending on clues about the recipient, like the vintage of his key. At some further point we start using the new formats 100%. As far as legacy data: First, expectations of multi decade validity of signatures may be unreasonable due to the inherent relative weakening of cryptography as time passes. In practice it may be acceptable to demand that signatures get re-issued periodically to confirm their validity. However in the mean time we would still have a number of years in which such expectations would be arguably more reasonable, and we cannot realistically just start ignoring today's signatures any time soon. In that case it may be helpful to consider the transformation program I described above not just as a figure of speech to motivate the distinction between semantics and syntax, but as an actual tool. Perhaps an open source version of such a program could be created and distributed which could turn an OpenPGP message of one format into the other. Then, keys and signed messages could be transformed into the new format and stored in that way, and when it was time to verify them they could be automatically transformed back. Well, this message has become quite a bit longer than I intended. I don't claim to have all the answers, and there may be other objections which make the idea untenable. But if we think of this standard as something which will last for decades, as I would suggest we should, maybe it makes sense to make changes now which will bring benefits for many many years to come. Hal Finney Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6NAB3I020270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:10:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA6NAB5p020269; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:10:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [66.93.68.160]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6NAAm9020263 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:10:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jon@callas.org) Received: from keys.merrymeet.com (keys.merrymeet.com [66.93.68.161]) (Authenticated sender: jon) by merrymeet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E553A46E8C for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:10:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [63.251.255.205] ([63.251.255.205]) by keys.merrymeet.com (PGP Universal service); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:10:10 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.merrymeet.com on Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:10:10 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20071106221822.E323214F6BC@finney.org> References: <20071106221822.E323214F6BC@finney.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: <28D06D7C-14B5-421A-A921-482D7327AFFF@callas.org> Cc: derek@ihtfp.com, nagydani@epointsystem.org, ietf-openpgp@imc.org From: Jon Callas Subject: Re: Next Steps Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:09:55 -0800 To: Hal Finney X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-PGP-Encoding-Format: Partitioned X-PGP-Encoding-Version: 2.0.2 X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 6, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Hal Finney wrote: > > I would be very cautious about using RC4. Every year it seems to get > weaker. In the past year alone there have been four new attacks on it > published on the eprint.iacr.org servers: 2007/305, 2007/261, > 2007/208, > and 2007/070. I would not be at all enthusiastic about putting it into > OpenPGP. Yes, but there are also ways that you can use RC4 to make it safer. I think that if there were an RC4 draft that had those things taken into account, it might be okay. This has the drawback of having OpenPGP having *another* eccentricity in its crypto use, but there's a good reason for the eccentricity. I'm willing to look at a sketch of how it could be made safe. Jon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Universal 2.6.3 Charset: US-ASCII wj4DBQFHMPRQsTedWZOD3gYRAkz8AJY3tkUwnQkRSOvEmJqcXnl6pCzRAKDjlsgs 6sMVmeRGWa6HFX1Igv4D5A== =q2Xo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6N5lLU019919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:05:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA6N5ltW019918; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:05:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [66.93.68.160]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6N5jIw019908 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:05:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jon@callas.org) Received: from keys.merrymeet.com (keys.merrymeet.com [66.93.68.161]) (Authenticated sender: jon) by merrymeet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF3A3A46DAE for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:05:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from [63.251.255.205] ([63.251.255.205]) by keys.merrymeet.com (PGP Universal service); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:05:43 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.merrymeet.com on Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:05:43 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20071106191200.GA19945@jabberwocky.com> References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> <20071106161300.GD12890@jabberwocky.com> <201FE06E-E9F4-44A9-9305-E78B312B7AA0@callas.org> <20071106191200.GA19945@jabberwocky.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: Cc: OpenPGP From: Jon Callas Subject: Re: OpenPGP CFB mode (was Re: Next Steps) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:05:38 -0800 To: David Shaw X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-PGP-Encoding-Format: Partitioned X-PGP-Encoding-Version: 2.0.2 X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > Exactly. That's why I say that *if* we do this, we should do it as > part of V5 keys. It's not important enough to do on its own. > > I should add that I'm not exactly eager to go down the V5 keys path > without a good reason either. It would be nice to tweak some V4 > details (fingerprints being SHA-1), but I don't think those details > are compelling enough to justify a V5 by themselves. > We also had a proposal at one time for a fingerprint that would be of the form: : So all existing fingerprints would be 2:, and a SHA-256 version of same would be 8:. I love this idea. The best thing about it is that it would not need to change, even after AHS. I think someone ought to write up an ID for Algorithm-Agile OpenPGP Key Fingerprints or some other appropriate name. Jon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Universal 2.6.3 Charset: US-ASCII wj8DBQFHMPNHsTedWZOD3gYRAtBNAKDrYqVaYAYBjoC3qDCMSvJsDb9vDwCgwrIX HJZZ3Tn7opXW3nO3pODIWPU= =/X37 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6MfJat017585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:41:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA6MfJdI017584; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:41:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from finney.org (226-132.adsl2.netlojix.net [207.71.226.132]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6MfHEt017574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:41:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hal@finney.org) Received: by finney.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id E323214F6BC; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:18:22 -0800 (PST) To: derek@ihtfp.com, nagydani@epointsystem.org Subject: Re: Next Steps Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Message-Id: <20071106221822.E323214F6BC@finney.org> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:18:22 -0800 (PST) From: hal@finney.org ("Hal Finney") Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: I would be very cautious about using RC4. Every year it seems to get weaker. In the past year alone there have been four new attacks on it published on the eprint.iacr.org servers: 2007/305, 2007/261, 2007/208, and 2007/070. I would not be at all enthusiastic about putting it into OpenPGP. I wonder if there is some better-vetted cipher which would be faster than AES, that might be usable. I'd also look into whether there might be an AES implementation that is better optimized for ARM (or whatever the processor is). Hal Finney PGP Corporation Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6JC9Vj098431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 12:12:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA6JC956098430; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 12:12:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6JC8Lb098422 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 12:12:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.jabberwocky.com (c-75-69-177-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [75.69.177.157]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id lA6JC7M23768 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:12:07 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA6JC2VR032517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:12:02 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA6JC1aU020033 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:12:01 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lA6JC0s5020032 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:12:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:12:00 -0500 From: David Shaw To: OpenPGP Subject: Re: OpenPGP CFB mode (was Re: Next Steps) Message-ID: <20071106191200.GA19945@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: OpenPGP References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> <20071106161300.GD12890@jabberwocky.com> <201FE06E-E9F4-44A9-9305-E78B312B7AA0@callas.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201FE06E-E9F4-44A9-9305-E78B312B7AA0@callas.org> OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-05-20) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 10:46:49AM -0800, Jon Callas wrote: > > When we started the working group, there were many things that I > thought would be great to "fix." That included OpenPGP CFB. These > days, I care a lot less. > > The reason is that while the OpenPGP CFB is eccentric, it's not > wrong. CFB itself has a parallelism with CBC. Just about every thing > you can say about CFB has a parallel thing you can say about CBC. If > you want real change, you'd want to do something else, which has a > different set of issues. > > If we put in some new mode, the implementations will have to support > them both for years. If a major or quasi-major implementation balks, > then that time increases. That increases code size and complexity, > and that decreases security. > > Unless a mode change is folded in with a compelling other reason, I > don't see it's worth the bother. Every system has warts. This is not > a large one. Exactly. That's why I say that *if* we do this, we should do it as part of V5 keys. It's not important enough to do on its own. I should add that I'm not exactly eager to go down the V5 keys path without a good reason either. It would be nice to tweak some V4 details (fingerprints being SHA-1), but I don't think those details are compelling enough to justify a V5 by themselves. David Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6IkiTC095314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:46:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA6Ikidd095313; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:46:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [66.93.68.160]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6Ikgfk095307 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:46:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jon@callas.org) Received: from keys.merrymeet.com (keys.merrymeet.com [66.93.68.161]) (Authenticated sender: jon) by merrymeet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FF20A45071 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:46:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.93.68.165] ([66.93.68.165]) by keys.merrymeet.com (PGP Universal service); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:46:42 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.merrymeet.com on Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:46:42 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20071106161300.GD12890@jabberwocky.com> References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> <20071106161300.GD12890@jabberwocky.com> Message-Id: <201FE06E-E9F4-44A9-9305-E78B312B7AA0@callas.org> From: Jon Callas Subject: Re: OpenPGP CFB mode (was Re: Next Steps) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:46:49 -0800 To: OpenPGP X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-PGP-Encoding-Format: Partitioned X-PGP-Encoding-Version: 2.0.2 X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 When we started the working group, there were many things that I thought would be great to "fix." That included OpenPGP CFB. These days, I care a lot less. The reason is that while the OpenPGP CFB is eccentric, it's not wrong. CFB itself has a parallelism with CBC. Just about every thing you can say about CFB has a parallel thing you can say about CBC. If you want real change, you'd want to do something else, which has a different set of issues. If we put in some new mode, the implementations will have to support them both for years. If a major or quasi-major implementation balks, then that time increases. That increases code size and complexity, and that decreases security. Unless a mode change is folded in with a compelling other reason, I don't see it's worth the bother. Every system has warts. This is not a large one. Jon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Universal 2.6.3 Charset: US-ASCII wj8DBQFHMLaRsTedWZOD3gYRAjQ5AKDyc0OSw22nAp94VNfckcKjWKe0IACfcWde 08obFK5CjIrI8nlo8pFTIGA= =qbKq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6GDBKS080066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 09:13:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA6GDBtx080065; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 09:13:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6GDAA1080058 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 09:13:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.jabberwocky.com (c-75-69-177-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [75.69.177.157]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id lA6GD6M23173 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:13:07 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA6GD12h030759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:13:02 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA6GD1Rv019111 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:13:01 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lA6GD1vc019110 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:13:01 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:13:00 -0500 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: OpenPGP CFB mode (was Re: Next Steps) Message-ID: <20071106161300.GD12890@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-05-20) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 09:47:56AM -0500, Derek Atkins wrote: > I'd leave it up to the WG about whether we want to retire CFB mode, > I don't have a feel for any consensus on that. I don't have particularly strong feelings about CFB mode itself, but I do think it would be nice to move to a more standard mode, rather than our own OpenPGP CFB mode. It's not a big deal, and I don't see any particular need to change it quickly as I don't think OpenPGP CFB is insecure or somehow bad. The issue is more that OpenPGP CFB needs to be repeatedly explained ("Hey, why does this thing use its own cipher mode? Can you prove it is secure?") If we do head down that road, I'd suggest doing it as part of something else, like V5 keys. It's not really important enough to justify doing by itself, and doing it as part of V5 helps prevent compatibility problems, as there would be no mixture of implementations some with regular CFB and some with OpenPGP CFB: a V5 key would mean regular CFB from the start. (Substitute your favorite (but standard) mode for "regular CFB" in the above if you like.) David Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6FIT9K074630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:18:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA6FITUr074629; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:18:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from goten.sonance.net (goten.sonance.net [88.198.58.135]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6FISgx074620 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:18:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from iang@systemics.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B8157BD8 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:23:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from goten.sonance.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (goten.sonance.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G7ui4KLyoI7t for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:23:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from zhukov.local (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 939DF57BD1 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:23:49 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <473085CA.7050006@systemics.com> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:18:34 +0100 From: Ian G User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Next Steps (was Re: RFC 4880 on OpenPGP Message Format) References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> In-Reply-To: <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Daniel A. Nagy wrote: > I don't think it is dangerous if done properly, but it definitely does not > fit into CFB cipher condext mode (which, by the way, is another thing that > is worth considering for retirement). Yes please! > Actually, I am leaning toward introducing a general stream cipher mode of > which block ciphers operated in CTR mode are a special case. CTR has much > nicer theoretical properties than CFB in the sense that security assumptions > for block ciphers imply certain security properties for the stream cipher. OpenPGP has these built in application notions that inform it on what is "in" and what is "out" ... which are basically historical and probably due to be updated. E.g., ascii armouring is "in" and s/mime is "out". For all those (historical) reasons it probably makes sense to sit down around a round table and craft a future architecture of what is "base" and what is "extension". I'd see stream modes as being "extensions". (leaving the question of whether the base includes even a block cipher mode to the round table ;) So I suppose I'm heading over to one of these "big questions": supposing that we do proceed to do a next generation, are we planning on a "big" change over a 10 year cycle, or are we planning on a "small" change with only modest fix-ups? (I'm hoping here that we don't up with a "small" change taking 10 years .....) iang Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6FG45N074418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:16:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA6FG4cU074417; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:16:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.epointsystem.org (120.156-228-195.hosting.adatpark.hu [195.228.156.120]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6FG2ZX074410 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:16:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nagydani@epointsystem.org) Received: by mail.epointsystem.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 618203CBD; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:16:02 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 16:16:02 +0100 To: Derek Atkins Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Next Steps Message-ID: <20071106151602.GB18459@epointsystem.org> References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0eh6TmSyL6TZE2Uz" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: --0eh6TmSyL6TZE2Uz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 09:47:56AM -0500, Derek Atkins wrote: > That's an unfair comparrison. AES is going to be slower than RC4 on > all hardware. That's not the question you need to be asking. The > question is whether AES is "fast enough" for your application on your > hardware. I.e., can AES give you enough throughput on your hardware > to get your data? No, it is not. A single block operation takes almost half a second on NOKIA 3410, which means that encrypting a simple text message takes seconds, which is not nice from a user experience PoV. =20 > >> Go ahead, but we've discussed ArcFour previously and decided it was > >> too dangerous and didn't fit into the CFB cipher context modes.=20 > > > > I don't think it is dangerous if done properly, but it definitely does = not > > fit into CFB cipher condext mode (which, by the way, is another thing t= hat > > is worth considering for retirement). >=20 > The problem is that the vast majority of developers don't know how to > use it properly, and it's VERY easy to get wrong. There's just too > many ways to shoot yourself in the foot, such as reusing keystream, > or not thowing away the beginning of the keystream. It should be well defined in the spec and it will be. > I'd leave it up to the WG about whether we want to retire CFB mode, > I don't have a feel for any consensus on that. I think that at least it would be nice to have an alternative. --=20 Daniel --0eh6TmSyL6TZE2Uz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQDVAwUBRzCFMa6pEulQFnIMAQJ3NwYAr1Baf9FcvsViSgN24JhIBofzMmsOPJm7 zBbyZ3/5VQ1pMlqnP6wwIx7SAEKr+RiyJM3JIiTyGgfgB8sQzE/ESA2NjQAFFGQ5 AYXWopBTitiZBQCafgo23kKIJR+LZ4QOz2OXYlh+4f5s8ty/01ml3A0tO3BcgnvB HNpguiOfQim0W9ah0wJ65Vyd9xYjLxGodKln/ggb1tgN4Y5afyQV2Jqml9I3i2Zd FQSjZuGga/xtGAs4+l2dY08CqmJjMa1o =rwDE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0eh6TmSyL6TZE2Uz-- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6Elw3C070704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 07:47:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA6ElwgN070703; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 07:47:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ihtfp.org (MAIL.IHTFP.ORG [204.107.200.6]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6ElvRT070696 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 07:47:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from derek@ihtfp.com) Received: from pgpdev.ihtfp.org (PGPDEV.IHTFP.ORG [204.107.200.23]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cliodev.ihtfp.com", Issuer "IHTFP Consulting Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by mail.ihtfp.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C76BD8560; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 09:47:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from warlord@localhost) by pgpdev.ihtfp.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lA6EluKQ032370; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 09:47:56 -0500 To: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Next Steps References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> From: Derek Atkins Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 09:47:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> (Daniel A. Nagy's message of "Tue\, 6 Nov 2007 15\:28\:59 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) writes: > Hello > > On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 08:36:23AM -0500, Derek Atkins wrote: > >> Have you actually tried using a block cipher like AES, or are you >> basing this "may perform really poorly" only on guesswork? >> Seriously... AES was specifically designed to work well in small >> systems like cell phones, have you actually tried it? > > Yes, I have tried AES. It is still almost an order of magnitude slower than > RC4. That's an unfair comparrison. AES is going to be slower than RC4 on all hardware. That's not the question you need to be asking. The question is whether AES is "fast enough" for your application on your hardware. I.e., can AES give you enough throughput on your hardware to get your data? >> Go ahead, but we've discussed ArcFour previously and decided it was >> too dangerous and didn't fit into the CFB cipher context modes. > > I don't think it is dangerous if done properly, but it definitely does not > fit into CFB cipher condext mode (which, by the way, is another thing that > is worth considering for retirement). The problem is that the vast majority of developers don't know how to use it properly, and it's VERY easy to get wrong. There's just too many ways to shoot yourself in the foot, such as reusing keystream, or not thowing away the beginning of the keystream. I'd leave it up to the WG about whether we want to retire CFB mode, I don't have a feel for any consensus on that. -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6ET3Ou068287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 07:29:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA6ET3Tm068286; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 07:29:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.epointsystem.org (120.156-228-195.hosting.adatpark.hu [195.228.156.120]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6ET1Ql068278 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 07:29:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nagydani@epointsystem.org) Received: by mail.epointsystem.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id EFEA73CC2; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:28:59 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:28:59 +0100 To: Derek Atkins Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Next Steps (was Re: RFC 4880 on OpenPGP Message Format) Message-ID: <20071106142859.GA18459@epointsystem.org> References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 08:36:23AM -0500, Derek Atkins wrote: > Have you actually tried using a block cipher like AES, or are you > basing this "may perform really poorly" only on guesswork? > Seriously... AES was specifically designed to work well in small > systems like cell phones, have you actually tried it? Yes, I have tried AES. It is still almost an order of magnitude slower than RC4. =20 > I'd also suspect that any Public Key operations would take much more > time, although it sounds like you aren't using that part of the spec > at all. Exactly. > Go ahead, but we've discussed ArcFour previously and decided it was > too dangerous and didn't fit into the CFB cipher context modes.=20 I don't think it is dangerous if done properly, but it definitely does not fit into CFB cipher condext mode (which, by the way, is another thing that is worth considering for retirement). Actually, I am leaning toward introducing a general stream cipher mode of which block ciphers operated in CTR mode are a special case. CTR has much nicer theoretical properties than CFB in the sense that security assumptions for block ciphers imply certain security properties for the stream cipher. > But > please send in your specs so we can see them and others on the list > can give their opinion. Sure. Cheers, --=20 Daniel --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQDVAwUBRzB6K66pEulQFnIMAQLJlgX/S0d5dU8B5554kDfYQ2/7qICClCI5JXLP vCVgx88zViC65NL9ioObC7oiWhyNTr2MScWmvphIRanl5bKx98M2glhpIz1YUE61 v1I9+VTBB5FGP5Q/6FVUXndT8uHI+NCQoscNZiV5uqlvD2gvXpC/xBYClCZQ59am 30hQZWxw4/GLnq6cR+aI4V5yOTtueS73tQTRQ9kIs13bjILRosUlo+5/SRIgUu+d UoOP9aM/Vd0T1sElKi6WqGiveEmU1/tb =hH1a -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7-- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6EQiAT068129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 07:26:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA6EQibL068128; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 07:26:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from kerckhoffs.g10code.com (kerckhoffs.g10code.com [217.69.77.222]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6EQgha068116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 07:26:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wk@gnupg.org) Received: from uucp by kerckhoffs.g10code.com with local-rmail (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1IpPWF-0005KP-KG for ; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:35:07 +0100 Received: from wk by localhost with local (Exim 4.62 #1 (Debian)) id 1IpPKz-0002Zx-5b; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:23:29 +0100 From: Werner Koch To: Derek Atkins Cc: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy), ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Next Steps References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <87sl3kohkj.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> Organisation: g10 Code GmbH OpenPGP: id=5B0358A2; url=finger:wk@g10code.com Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:23:29 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Derek Atkins's message of "Tue, 06 Nov 2007 08:27:12 -0500") Message-ID: <87ve8fihb2.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:27, derek@ihtfp.com said: > Umm.. yea. *looks sheepish*. I guess I've been writing "2440" for > so long that it's going to take time to get used to saying 4880. :-D I was asking myself whether there are new IETF procedures to get something into draft status ;-). Shalom-Salam, Werner -- Die Gedanken sind frei. Auschnahme regelt ein Bundeschgesetz. Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6DaOEJ064250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 06:36:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA6DaOlO064249; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 06:36:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ihtfp.org (MAIL.IHTFP.ORG [204.107.200.6]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6DaNEE064240 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 06:36:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from derek@ihtfp.com) Received: from pgpdev.ihtfp.org (PGPDEV.IHTFP.ORG [204.107.200.23]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cliodev.ihtfp.com", Issuer "IHTFP Consulting Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by mail.ihtfp.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA20BD8462; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:36:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from warlord@localhost) by pgpdev.ihtfp.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lA6DaNer031400; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:36:23 -0500 To: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Next Steps (was Re: RFC 4880 on OpenPGP Message Format) References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> From: Derek Atkins Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 08:36:23 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> (Daniel A. Nagy's message of "Mon\, 5 Nov 2007 21\:35\:00 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) writes: > On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 09:33:12AM -0500, Derek Atkins wrote: >> The second question is: are there enough people >> interested in doing the work (editors, reviewers, implementors) to >> warrant remaining open? > > Currently, my team is working on implementing a system that aims at some > level of OpenPGP interoperability. Because of platform limitations, full > interoperability with RFC4880 is not practical. In particular, we are > implementing a symmetrically encrypted data packet format where encryption > is done using a stream cipher (namely: ArcFour), yet following the standard > as closely as possible. The reason is that the target platform (low-end mobile > phones) may perform really poorly using a block cipher. Have you actually tried using a block cipher like AES, or are you basing this "may perform really poorly" only on guesswork? Seriously... AES was specifically designed to work well in small systems like cell phones, have you actually tried it? I'd also suspect that any Public Key operations would take much more time, although it sounds like you aren't using that part of the spec at all. > However, it would be nice if the next version of OpenPGP would be > interoperable with our system even on the encryption level. I shall send the > specifications to this list as soon as they are properly written up. Go ahead, but we've discussed ArcFour previously and decided it was too dangerous and didn't fit into the CFB cipher context modes. But please send in your specs so we can see them and others on the list can give their opinion. > Regards, -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6DRJkQ063419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 6 Nov 2007 06:27:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA6DRJ6s063418; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 06:27:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ihtfp.org (MAIL.IHTFP.ORG [204.107.200.6]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA6DRGIG063410 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 06:27:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from derek@ihtfp.com) Received: from pgpdev.ihtfp.org (PGPDEV.IHTFP.ORG [204.107.200.23]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cliodev.ihtfp.com", Issuer "IHTFP Consulting Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by mail.ihtfp.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83D6FBD8462; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from warlord@localhost) by pgpdev.ihtfp.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lA6DREs0031201; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:27:14 -0500 To: Werner Koch Cc: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy), ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Next Steps References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <87sl3kohkj.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> From: Derek Atkins Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 08:27:12 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87sl3kohkj.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> (Werner Koch's message of "Mon\, 05 Nov 2007 16\:09\:00 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Werner Koch writes: > On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:33, derek@ihtfp.com said: > >> So now is the time to speak up and submit your drafts so we can show >> the AD that there's enough interest to continue working, and that we >> have a plan. > > I am pretty sure that Ben Laurie will submit a new PFS draft and I would > be happy to implement it in GnuPG. David Shaw has a draft for a > Camellia. > > With the recent NIST announcements I consider work on ECDSA important > and a task the WG should take up now. Yes, ECDSA would be yet another cipher draft. If the WG wants to standardize on that I think it falls under our charter. >> Taking 2440 to DRAFT would require at last 6 months, plus this test >> plan that shows valid interop testing on every feature in 4880. Any >> volunteers? > > You mean taking 4880 to DRAFT? Umm.. yea. *looks sheepish*. I guess I've been writing "2440" for so long that it's going to take time to get used to saying 4880. :-D -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA5KZ21v085121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:35:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA5KZ2v6085120; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:35:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.epointsystem.org (120.156-228-195.hosting.adatpark.hu [195.228.156.120]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA5KZ1dh085114 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:35:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nagydani@epointsystem.org) Received: by mail.epointsystem.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 30FD73CB6; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 21:35:00 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 21:35:00 +0100 To: Derek Atkins Cc: Werner Koch , ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Next Steps (was Re: RFC 4880 on OpenPGP Message Format) Message-ID: <20071105203459.GA27243@epointsystem.org> References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 09:33:12AM -0500, Derek Atkins wrote: > The second question is: are there enough people > interested in doing the work (editors, reviewers, implementors) to > warrant remaining open? Currently, my team is working on implementing a system that aims at some level of OpenPGP interoperability. Because of platform limitations, full interoperability with RFC4880 is not practical. In particular, we are implementing a symmetrically encrypted data packet format where encryption is done using a stream cipher (namely: ArcFour), yet following the standard as closely as possible. The reason is that the target platform (low-end mob= ile phones) may perform really poorly using a block cipher. However, it would be nice if the next version of OpenPGP would be interoperable with our system even on the encryption level. I shall send the specifications to this list as soon as they are properly written up. Regards, --=20 Daniel --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQDVAwUBRy9+c66pEulQFnIMAQJxEAX/RzTLsOJM5yvpvhnrtwsiIgiEQWhz1FU+ E4zApB0DifcqkeHfVmOWWbzfs7Mrw/aibPueAQwMrEdtnTXZzejOe2Xh0C2rm+DL /MhROl//q/Q7D8P395EXsZyPKl4TpSRuOHM0BCi6EZawlsmRUgu+JMURIGDknxKU xTR+JQ7a6T/nMen1MtzjUlZFZbpDEx6MtV09+VADC7fokACPbiO5HdEOEhl6bPrw j4DQsZPOR6onxc5lut58pdx6NG+X+zlD =gpoY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM-- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA5IHPqV071636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:17:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA5IHPrC071635; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:17:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA5IHOHQ071627 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:17:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.jabberwocky.com (c-75-69-177-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [75.69.177.157]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id lA5IHLl18033 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:17:22 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA5IHHdt021923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:17:17 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA5IHGUt011587 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:17:16 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lA5IHGFp011586 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:17:16 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:17:16 -0500 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Next Steps Message-ID: <20071105181716.GC11103@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <87sl3kohkj.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87sl3kohkj.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-05-20) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 04:09:00PM +0100, Werner Koch wrote: > > On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:33, derek@ihtfp.com said: > > > So now is the time to speak up and submit your drafts so we can show > > the AD that there's enough interest to continue working, and that we > > have a plan. > > I am pretty sure that Ben Laurie will submit a new PFS draft and I would > be happy to implement it in GnuPG. David Shaw has a draft for a > Camellia. I just now sent the Camellia draft in to the IETF. David Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA5HNhcr065868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:23:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA5HNheT065867; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:23:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.links.org (mail.links.org [217.155.92.109]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA5HNfX8065860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:23:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ben@links.org) Received: from [193.133.15.218] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.links.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB0333C1D; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:23:40 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <472F5124.3000609@links.org> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:21:40 +0000 From: Ben Laurie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.3) Gecko/20070326 Thunderbird/2.0.0.0 Mnenhy/0.7.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Werner Koch CC: Derek Atkins , "Daniel A. Nagy" , ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Next Steps References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> <87sl3kohkj.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> In-Reply-To: <87sl3kohkj.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Werner Koch wrote: > On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:33, derek@ihtfp.com said: > >> So now is the time to speak up and submit your drafts so we can show >> the AD that there's enough interest to continue working, and that we >> have a plan. > > I am pretty sure that Ben Laurie will submit a new PFS draft and I would > be happy to implement it in GnuPG. I would be up for that, indeed. > David Shaw has a draft for a > Camellia. > > With the recent NIST announcements I consider work on ECDSA important > and a task the WG should take up now. > >> Taking 2440 to DRAFT would require at last 6 months, plus this test >> plan that shows valid interop testing on every feature in 4880. Any >> volunteers? > > You mean taking 4880 to DRAFT? > > > Shalom-Salam, > > Werner > -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.links.org/ "There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit." - Robert Woodruff Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA5FBi7P050345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 08:11:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA5FBicA050344; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 08:11:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from kerckhoffs.g10code.com (kerckhoffs.g10code.com [217.69.77.222]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA5FBfbp050325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 08:11:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wk@gnupg.org) Received: from uucp by kerckhoffs.g10code.com with local-rmail (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ip3kE-0003rL-KD for ; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:20:06 +0100 Received: from wk by localhost with local (Exim 4.62 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ip3ZV-0001G3-B5; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:09:01 +0100 From: Werner Koch To: Derek Atkins Cc: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy), ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Next Steps References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> Organisation: g10 Code GmbH OpenPGP: id=5B0358A2; url=finger:wk@g10code.com Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:09:00 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Derek Atkins's message of "Mon, 05 Nov 2007 09:33:12 -0500") Message-ID: <87sl3kohkj.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:33, derek@ihtfp.com said: > So now is the time to speak up and submit your drafts so we can show > the AD that there's enough interest to continue working, and that we > have a plan. I am pretty sure that Ben Laurie will submit a new PFS draft and I would be happy to implement it in GnuPG. David Shaw has a draft for a Camellia. With the recent NIST announcements I consider work on ECDSA important and a task the WG should take up now. > Taking 2440 to DRAFT would require at last 6 months, plus this test > plan that shows valid interop testing on every feature in 4880. Any > volunteers? You mean taking 4880 to DRAFT? Shalom-Salam, Werner -- Die Gedanken sind frei. Auschnahme regelt ein Bundeschgesetz. Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA5EXEWZ046895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 07:33:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA5EXEoD046894; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 07:33:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ihtfp.org (MAIL.IHTFP.ORG [204.107.200.6]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA5EXDx4046886 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 07:33:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from derek@ihtfp.com) Received: from pgpdev.ihtfp.org (PGPDEV.IHTFP.ORG [204.107.200.23]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cliodev.ihtfp.com", Issuer "IHTFP Consulting Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by mail.ihtfp.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A26BD8565; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:33:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from warlord@localhost) by pgpdev.ihtfp.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lA5EXCIu003488; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:33:12 -0500 To: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy), Werner Koch Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Next Steps (was Re: RFC 4880 on OpenPGP Message Format) From: Derek Atkins Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 09:33:12 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> (Daniel A. Nagy's message of "Sat\, 3 Nov 2007 16\:56\:38 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) writes: > What is the next step for OpenPGP? V5 key format? Stream ciphers? Werner Koch writes: > So now that we have 4880 out, is it now again the time to think about > interop tests and draft status? Very good questions. We have a number of items that have come up before and been tabled. This work includes (but is not limited to): * PFS * V5 keys * Plausible Deniability * Additional Ciphers * Updates to PGP/MIME But before we decide to take on more work, there are a number of questions we have to ask ourselves. The first question is: what's in our charter and would we need to be rechartered to take on this additional work? The second question is: are there enough people interested in doing the work (editors, reviewers, implementors) to warrant remaining open? Third: Can we get AD approval to continue? By my reading of the charter, all these work items could be in scope if there's enough interest in it. So I don't think we need to recharter (yet we DO need to submit new milestones based on whatever work we attempt to take on). However questions 2 and 3 still remain. So now is the time to speak up and submit your drafts so we can show the AD that there's enough interest to continue working, and that we have a plan. As for interop and draft status.... I think if someone wants to host an OpenPGP implementor get-together that would be just fine. To make it an official "interoperability" event we'd need some sort of test plan, and someone to write up all the results from all the tests. Taking 2440 to DRAFT would require at last 6 months, plus this test plan that shows valid interop testing on every feature in 4880. Any volunteers? -derek, your humble wg-chair. -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA5EJx1s045659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 07:19:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA5EJxtW045658; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 07:19:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ihtfp.org (MAIL.IHTFP.ORG [204.107.200.6]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA5EJwjE045652 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 07:19:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from derek@ihtfp.com) Received: from pgpdev.ihtfp.org (PGPDEV.IHTFP.ORG [204.107.200.23]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cliodev.ihtfp.com", Issuer "IHTFP Consulting Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by mail.ihtfp.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C5FABD8565 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:19:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from warlord@localhost) by pgpdev.ihtfp.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lA5EJuh9003251; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:19:56 -0500 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: RFC 4880 on OpenPGP Message Format References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <472C7A3D.6000403@systemics.com> <472C914C.5000007@pgpru.com> <20071103153752.GB5622@leksak.p-netz> From: Derek Atkins Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 09:19:55 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20071103153752.GB5622@leksak.p-netz> (Stephan Beyer's message of "Sat\, 3 Nov 2007 16\:37\:52 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Stephan Beyer writes: >> >> RFC 4880 > > Is it an accident that the RFC number is 4880 = 2440*2? ;-) The RFC Editor does not reserve RFC numbers. > Congratulations. ;-) Indeed. Good work to everyone involved. I'd like to thank each and every one of you for making RFC4880 such a great achievement. > Stephan Beyer , PGP 0x6EDDD207FCC5040F -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA59BiEu014452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 5 Nov 2007 02:11:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA59Bi0N014451; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 02:11:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from kerckhoffs.g10code.com (kerckhoffs.g10code.com [217.69.77.222]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA59BfJA014434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 02:11:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wk@gnupg.org) Received: from uucp by kerckhoffs.g10code.com with local-rmail (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ioy7p-0007bQ-Gu for ; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 10:20:05 +0100 Received: from wk by localhost with local (Exim 4.62 #1 (Debian)) id 1IoxwT-0007kg-D0; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 10:08:21 +0100 From: Werner Koch To: Jon Callas Cc: OpenPGP Subject: Re: RFC 4880 on OpenPGP Message Format References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <59615F7E-B66E-48D1-B38D-E7F3EB55187C@callas.org> Organisation: g10 Code GmbH OpenPGP: id=5B0358A2; url=finger:wk@g10code.com Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 10:08:21 +0100 In-Reply-To: <59615F7E-B66E-48D1-B38D-E7F3EB55187C@callas.org> (Jon Callas's message of "Sun, 4 Nov 2007 18:23:46 -0800") Message-ID: <87ode9qcu2.fsf@wheatstone.g10code.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 03:23, jon@callas.org said: > Congratulations to everyone! You did a very good job as editor and contributor over the last 10 years. Congratulations to veryone. So now that we have 4880 out, is it now again the time to think about interop tests and draft status? Shalom-Salam, Werner -- Die Gedanken sind frei. Auschnahme regelt ein Bundeschgesetz. Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA52NcjN078951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 4 Nov 2007 19:23:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA52NcGf078950; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 19:23:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [66.93.68.160]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA52Nbvd078944 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 19:23:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jon@callas.org) Received: from keys.merrymeet.com (keys.merrymeet.com [66.93.68.161]) (Authenticated sender: jon) by merrymeet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 969D0A39848 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 18:23:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.93.68.165] ([66.93.68.165]) by keys.merrymeet.com (PGP Universal service); Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:23:37 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.merrymeet.com on Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:23:37 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> Message-Id: <59615F7E-B66E-48D1-B38D-E7F3EB55187C@callas.org> From: Jon Callas Subject: Re: RFC 4880 on OpenPGP Message Format Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 18:23:46 -0800 To: OpenPGP X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-PGP-Encoding-Format: Partitioned X-PGP-Encoding-Version: 2.0.2 X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Congratulations to everyone! Jon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Universal 2.6.3 Charset: US-ASCII wj8DBQFHLn6psTedWZOD3gYRAli+AJ92v5pwR6O/6uwswmSCu/WZJCMNGACfb8y3 tMmUgEqWoN1BBsn2g1RMcUg= =PbRM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA52N1kr078919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 4 Nov 2007 19:23:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA52N1lB078918; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 19:23:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [66.93.68.160]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA52N0rw078912 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 19:23:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jon@callas.org) Received: from keys.merrymeet.com (keys.merrymeet.com [66.93.68.161]) (Authenticated sender: jon) by merrymeet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71A4A3983F for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 18:22:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.93.68.165] ([66.93.68.165]) by keys.merrymeet.com (PGP Universal service); Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:22:59 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.merrymeet.com on Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:22:59 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: <00BB10B2-4306-4BC7-8F51-DFEBE00FF84B@callas.org> Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org From: Jon Callas Subject: Re: RFC 4880 on OpenPGP Message Format Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 18:23:06 -0800 To: "Daniel A. Nagy" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-PGP-Encoding-Format: Partitioned X-PGP-Encoding-Version: 2.0.2 X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 3, 2007, at 8:56 AM, Daniel A. Nagy wrote: > * PGP Signed by an unknown key > > On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 06:29:56PM -0700, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org > wrote: > >> A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. >> >> >> RFC 4880 >> >> Title: OpenPGP Message Format >> Author: J. Callas, L. Donnerhacke, >> H. Finney, D. Shaw, >> R. Thayer > > Congratulations! > > What is the next step for OpenPGP? V5 key format? Stream ciphers? > > -- > Daniel > > * Unknown Key > * 0x5016720C -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Universal 2.6.3 Charset: US-ASCII wj8DBQFHLn6DsTedWZOD3gYRAmQZAJ90QofBOEgoapMw1ZxpsgM6Q+xp2wCgkNaR +C/mb82Gu2gs+MqFtOfLf60= =Nnt7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA3FuhTu035086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 3 Nov 2007 08:56:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA3FuhpV035085; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 08:56:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.epointsystem.org (120.156-228-195.hosting.adatpark.hu [195.228.156.120]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA3Fudwn035074 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 08:56:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nagydani@epointsystem.org) Received: by mail.epointsystem.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C6FB817C1; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 16:56:38 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 16:56:38 +0100 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: RFC 4880 on OpenPGP Message Format Message-ID: <20071103155638.GA10202@epointsystem.org> References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: --YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 06:29:56PM -0700, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org wrote: > A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. >=20 > =20 > RFC 4880 >=20 > Title: OpenPGP Message Format=20 > Author: J. Callas, L. Donnerhacke, > H. Finney, D. Shaw, > R. Thayer Congratulations! What is the next step for OpenPGP? V5 key format? Stream ciphers? --=20 Daniel --YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQDVAwUBRyyaNq6pEulQFnIMAQKfxwYApcamIv8hI+36R9dbEvZ2WJZ1kSjzC8Ij IS9nMaF4Oez3XWqV1R+tf0tmxB4zjPtKMBmSkF9SEuu+1ctseoeRJPpJ8EOHKw2S /Wka5mGmP+7dsaF6V+5R6iE0DqoAnTURP767NWFIaOU7EiJ6fz0z551I3Foy/Uf4 THOsHQzsW1/ChrDaKHZy6gUgPHnlhjGaJSmKpnw0lwE8ERr5B13Le502LZ8h22yd +Y5WZ6AB3G4/SsOnIuqKxLLZ8p5PQX03 =AxGr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK-- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA3Ffomn033756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 3 Nov 2007 08:41:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA3FfocD033755; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 08:41:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA3Ffn7q033748 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 08:41:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.jabberwocky.com (c-75-69-177-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [75.69.177.157]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id lA3Ffll06795 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 10:41:47 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA3FfgIA002978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 11:41:42 -0400 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA3FfgW3010490 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 11:41:42 -0400 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lA3FffiS010489 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 11:41:41 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 11:41:41 -0400 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: RFC 4880 on OpenPGP Message Format Message-ID: <20071103154141.GA9909@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-05-20) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 06:29:56PM -0700, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org wrote: > > > A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. > > > RFC 4880 > > Title: OpenPGP Message Format > Author: J. Callas, L. Donnerhacke, > H. Finney, D. Shaw, > R. Thayer > Status: Standards Track > Date: November 2007 Thank you, everyone. It's taken a while, but I think we have a great new RFC here. David Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA3FbvtE033426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 3 Nov 2007 08:37:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA3Fbvp3033425; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 08:37:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id lA3FbsBb033419 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 08:37:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from s-beyer@gmx.net) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 03 Nov 2007 15:37:53 -0000 Received: from d83-189-7-111.cust.tele2.de (EHLO leksak.p-netz) [83.189.7.111] by mail.gmx.net (mp003) with SMTP; 03 Nov 2007 16:37:53 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1499303 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+cHn5EpJCcXm8kFTpOkkzfr9fe0FZ9T5NUtGADm4 3DvZ1l9c5lsadb Received: from sbeyer by leksak.p-netz with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IoL4K-0001X5-Vc for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Sat, 03 Nov 2007 16:37:52 +0100 Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 16:37:52 +0100 From: Stephan Beyer To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: RFC 4880 on OpenPGP Message Format Message-ID: <20071103153752.GB5622@leksak.p-netz> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <472C7A3D.6000403@systemics.com> <472C914C.5000007@pgpru.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="O5XBE6gyVG5Rl6Rj" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <472C914C.5000007@pgpru.com> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: --O5XBE6gyVG5Rl6Rj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >> RFC 4880 Is it an accident that the RFC number is 4880 =3D 2440*2? ;-) Congratulations. ;-) --=20 Stephan Beyer , PGP 0x6EDDD207FCC5040F --O5XBE6gyVG5Rl6Rj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHLJXQbt3SB/zFBA8RArdlAJ9wtjiNEWf9rfgtfQb4CBNwf3m36QCfbf8C P1DQ7OcwRIp29tdahbhjcnw= =OJf3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --O5XBE6gyVG5Rl6Rj-- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA3FJAvj031758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 3 Nov 2007 08:19:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA3FJAiV031757; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 08:19:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp-18.masterhost.ru (smtp-18.masterhost.ru [83.222.24.118]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id lA3FJ823031746 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 08:19:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sattva@pgpru.com) Received: (qmail 45881 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2007 15:18:51 -0000 Received: from vpn-pool-78-139-211-166.tomtel.ru (HELO ?78.139.211.166?) (sattva@vladmiller.info@78.139.211.166) by smtp1.masterhost.ru with SMTP; 3 Nov 2007 15:18:51 -0000 Message-ID: <472C914C.5000007@pgpru.com> Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 21:18:36 +0600 From: "Vlad \"SATtva\" Miller" Organization: "openPGP in Russia", www.pgpru.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070919) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: RFC 4880 on OpenPGP Message Format References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> <472C7A3D.6000403@systemics.com> In-Reply-To: <472C7A3D.6000403@systemics.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.2 OpenPGP: id=8443620A; url=http://www.vladmiller.info/contacts/keys.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Ian G wrote on 03.11.2007 19:40: > > rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org wrote: >> A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. >> >> RFC 4880 >> >> Title: OpenPGP Message Format Author: J. >> Callas, L. Donnerhacke, >> H. Finney, D. Shaw, >> R. Thayer >> Status: Standards Track >> Date: November 2007 >> Mailbox: jon@callas.org, >> lutz@iks-jena.de, hal@finney.org, >> dshaw@jabberwocky.com, rodney@canola-jones.com > >> URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4880.txt > > > YeeHaa! Congratulations, Jon and the team! > > iang Subscribing to Ian's congratulations. That was indeed a great job! -- SATtva | security consulting www.vladmiller.info | www.pgpru.com Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA3DeCnE021574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 3 Nov 2007 06:40:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA3DeCUa021573; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 06:40:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from goten.sonance.net (goten.sonance.net [88.198.58.135]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA3DeA7T021564 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 06:40:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from iang@systemics.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34F1457C02 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:45:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from goten.sonance.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (goten.sonance.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O2TInGrCY6E6 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:45:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from zhukov.local (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 071E157B98 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:45:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <472C7A3D.6000403@systemics.com> Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 14:40:13 +0100 From: Ian G User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: RFC 4880 on OpenPGP Message Format References: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> In-Reply-To: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org wrote: > A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. > > > RFC 4880 > > Title: OpenPGP Message Format > Author: J. Callas, L. Donnerhacke, > H. Finney, D. Shaw, > R. Thayer > Status: Standards Track > Date: November 2007 > Mailbox: jon@callas.org, > lutz@iks-jena.de, > hal@finney.org, dshaw@jabberwocky.com, > rodney@canola-jones.com > URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4880.txt YeeHaa! Congratulations, Jon and the team! iang Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA3BKVQq009556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 3 Nov 2007 04:20:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id lA3BKV7w009555; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 04:20:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from bosco.isi.edu (bosco.isi.edu [128.9.168.207]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id lA3BKT9U009547 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 04:20:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org) Received: by bosco.isi.edu (Postfix, from userid 70) id 2BBD0EBAE1; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 18:29:56 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org Subject: RFC 4880 on OpenPGP Message Format From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, ietf-openpgp@imc.org Message-Id: <20071103012956.2BBD0EBAE1@bosco.isi.edu> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 18:29:56 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 4880 Title: OpenPGP Message Format Author: J. Callas, L. Donnerhacke, H. Finney, D. Shaw, R. Thayer Status: Standards Track Date: November 2007 Mailbox: jon@callas.org, lutz@iks-jena.de, hal@finney.org, dshaw@jabberwocky.com, rodney@canola-jones.com Pages: 90 Characters: 203706 Obsoletes: RFC1991, RFC2440 See-Also: I-D Tag: draft-ietf-openpgp-rfc2440bis-22.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4880.txt This document is maintained in order to publish all necessary information needed to develop interoperable applications based on the OpenPGP format. It is not a step-by-step cookbook for writing an application. It describes only the format and methods needed to read, check, generate, and write conforming packets crossing any network. It does not deal with storage and implementation questions. It does, however, discuss implementation issues necessary to avoid security flaws. 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