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Miller" Subject: Re: Public-key distribution via HTTP Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:27:50 -0600 To: pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz (Peter Gutmann) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2008 14:28:14.0668 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2AD00C0:01C856B9] Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a87a9cdae4ac5d3fbeee75cd0026d632 --Apple-Mail-1-822858065 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Jan 12, 2008, at 2:17 AM, Peter Gutmann wrote: > Someone recently asked on a security list whether there was a > simple way of > putting your public key on a web server based on "a set of goals, > hopefully > sufficiently unambitious, so one knows what one wants to do very > precisely. > Given those, I suspect a decent spec replacing hundreds of pages of > currently > 'standard' and useless mechanism could be crafted in about 10 to 30 > pages)". > My response was "You've just described RFC 4387 :-)". The list > reaction was > that no-one had known until then that this document even existed, > so I'm > posting this to a couple of lists where people might find it useful. > > Don't be mislead by the title (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/ > rfc4387.txt), it was > published under the auspices of PKIX but it's really "a simple, fairly > universal means of publishing your public key via HTTP". The > CACert folks > have set up a Wiki page to cover implementation info, feedback, and > comments: > http://wiki.cacert.org/wiki/RFC4387. > > (Please, no religious arguments over this: If you think it's > useful, implement > it. If not, ignore it). Peter-- Very timely; we were just discussing something essentially like this around my office last week. 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Message-ID: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hoZxPH4CaxYzWscb" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f4c2cf0bccc868e4cc88dace71fb3f44 --hoZxPH4CaxYzWscb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear WG, I have noticed, that several active members of the WG are going to attend FC2008 in Cozumel, Mexico. Would you be interested in an informal meeting to discuss some OpenPGP-related issues face to face? A restaurant or a lounge in the hotel would be my preferred location. As for myself, I would like to discuss the following (in this order of importance): - C library development. Currently, we have an orphaned(?) OpenCDK and an incomplete OpenPGP:SDK. A native C library would open the door for efficient, usable libraries for other languages (Perl, Python, Ruby, PHP, etc.), so I feel that this is very important. I am counting on Ben Laurie's participation for this one. - Reference implementations, test vectors. - Exotic signature types and their possible uses, semantics (timestamp, notarization, standalone, etc.). - Forward secrecy Perhaps, others might have other topics that could benefit from face-to-face discussion. Cheers, --=20 Daniel --hoZxPH4CaxYzWscb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQDVAwUBR49gva6pEulQFnIMAQJb1QX/RayunUWsw+TKH8ouiea4nKz7Emi/JIEn DvkLncKNoUY8KoNEdVQcIniT9WGr7Ll5qL228nPKFa6SFS9R5gQXt6xbBb6oBNGs WxOw+ACsXXncnjY8P0thDE1MW6ckUtCW7wjAe2EvsLyUlu/5f68sbnjacfYk1Vv0 oWs+JLSldfToJXgad36gIgJ+u0I+rru/IDocJfKukHiBhnhSwBw73NdseS4KiS6y vc68tos/1Vc7GCmJKocLiCucAvAZ/A1f =hfuA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --hoZxPH4CaxYzWscb-- From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Jan 17 09:27:37 2008 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JFViS-0004fF-Tk for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:27:36 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JFViS-0005H8-FG for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:27:36 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0HDp3Ma005170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:51:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0HDp3n9005169; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:51:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.epointsystem.org (120.156-228-195.hosting.adatpark.hu [195.228.156.120]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0HDp1df005160 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:51:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nagydani@epointsystem.org) Received: by mail.epointsystem.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C60EC3D55; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:49:10 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:49:10 +0100 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Revocability semantics Message-ID: <20080117134910.GC2858@epointsystem.org> References: <20080117134152.GA2858@epointsystem.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="iFRdW5/EC4oqxDHL" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080117134152.GA2858@epointsystem.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c1c65599517f9ac32519d043c37c5336 --iFRdW5/EC4oqxDHL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear WG, I am pretty sure that my interpretation of the standard is correct, but I would like to a) have it confirmed and b) make it known to other implementers The Revoacble flag as specified by RFC4880, Section 5.2.3.12, when set to 0, only forbids revocation by the issuer, but not by other revokers. In particular, if a revocation key (5.2.3.15) is present in addition to the above flag, it means that the designated revoker is allowed to revoke the certificate, but the issuer is not. The context is the implementation of IOU notes as self-signatures on PGP public keys, so that the PKS infrastructure can be used for their dissemination (and, thus, for credit reputation tracking). 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Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:09:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ben@links.org) Received: from [193.133.15.218] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.links.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D78933C21; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:09:49 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <478F7DD5.2050607@links.org> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:09:57 +0000 From: Ben Laurie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.3) Gecko/20070326 Thunderbird/2.0.0.0 Mnenhy/0.7.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel A. Nagy" CC: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Face to face meeting in Cozumel? References: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> In-Reply-To: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 21c69d3cfc2dd19218717dbe1d974352 Daniel A. Nagy wrote: > Dear WG, > > I have noticed, that several active members of the WG are going to attend > FC2008 in Cozumel, Mexico. > > Would you be interested in an informal meeting to discuss some > OpenPGP-related issues face to face? A restaurant or a lounge in the hotel > would be my preferred location. > > As for myself, I would like to discuss the following (in this order of > importance): > > - C library development. Currently, we have an orphaned(?) OpenCDK and an > incomplete OpenPGP:SDK. A native C library would open the door for > efficient, usable libraries for other languages (Perl, Python, Ruby, > PHP, etc.), so I feel that this is very important. I am counting on Ben > Laurie's participation for this one. Unfortunately I had to cancel Cozumel because of other commitments. I do welcome the attention to OpenPGP:SDK, which is gradually getting more complete. I'd be happy to find some other opportunity to meet - for example, I am frequently in the Bay Area (next week, for example). Also, I will be at NDSS and ShmooCon. > - Reference implementations, test vectors. +1 > - Exotic signature types and their possible uses, semantics (timestamp, > notarization, standalone, etc.). > > - Forward secrecy My name is on this one, too :-) -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.links.org/ "There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit." - Robert Woodruff From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Jan 17 11:52:22 2008 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JFXyY-0006pE-Uc for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:52:22 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JFXyY-0008Gj-JB for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:52:22 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0HGY3Vw020229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:34:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0HGY3sS020228; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:34:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from yxa.extundo.com (yxa.extundo.com [83.241.177.38]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0HGY03w020211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:34:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from simon@josefsson.org) Received: from mocca.josefsson.org (yxa.extundo.com [83.241.177.38]) (authenticated bits=0) by yxa.extundo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m0HGXhtB032185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:33:44 +0100 From: Simon Josefsson To: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Face to face meeting in Cozumel? References: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> OpenPGP: id=B565716F; url=http://josefsson.org/key.txt X-Hashcash: 1:22:080117:ietf-openpgp@imc.org::NS9j3t7tny1JXSCT:6hOM X-Hashcash: 1:22:080117:nagydani@epointsystem.org::txce55616FHJZWE/:C7l4 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:33:43 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> (Daniel A. Nagy's message of "Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:05:50 +0100") Message-ID: <87bq7kbee0.fsf@mocca.josefsson.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=4.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on yxa-iv X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on yxa.extundo.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) writes: > - C library development. Currently, we have an orphaned(?) OpenCDK and an I'm not going to be in Cozumel. In response to the '(?)', OpenCDK has recently been updated (the 0.6.x series) after a long period of minimal maintainance. We are moving towards a LGPL version of libopencdk, which was included in the core GnuTLS library git repository just a few days ago. /Simon From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Jan 17 12:11:52 2008 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JFYHQ-0007YS-1B for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:11:52 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JFYHP-0000RE-9Q for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:11:52 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0HGm4xr021316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:48:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0HGm4rJ021315; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:48:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.241]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0HGm43e021308 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:48:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from buanzo@buanzo.com.ar) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c23so161578anc.44 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:48:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.139.20 with SMTP id m20mr4758838and.102.1200588483591; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:48:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.10.0.4? ( [201.235.164.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c28sm3795311anc.32.2008.01.17.08.48.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:48:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <478F86BF.3000906@buanzo.com.ar> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:47:59 -0200 From: "Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman" Organization: GNU/Buanzo User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071022) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Simon Josefsson CC: "Daniel A. Nagy" , ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Face to face meeting in Cozumel? References: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> <87bq7kbee0.fsf@mocca.josefsson.org> In-Reply-To: <87bq7kbee0.fsf@mocca.josefsson.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 OpenPGP: id=6857704D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 I'd love to attend, specially now that the my OpenPGP Session Management for HTTP (Firefox/Apache) is complete, but sorry :( - -- Arturo "Buanzo" Busleiman The Charlie Protas Project is on its way Independent Security Consultant - SANS - OISSG http://www.buanzo.com.ar/pro/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHj4a/AlpOsGhXcE0RCpIeAJ9CMD/GlnpDdsG4f6UdRJEh8fcHawCePMEA 2VmQciHhGp8rvkdRGKdfx4g= =AjSK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Jan 17 13:00:27 2008 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JFZ2R-0004st-JL for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:00:27 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JFZ2R-0001Q0-2c for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:00:27 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0HHdeaJ025684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:39:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0HHdeB6025683; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:39:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ihtfp.org (MAIL.IHTFP.ORG [204.107.200.6]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0HHddw9025677 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:39:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from derek@ihtfp.com) Received: from pgpdev.ihtfp.org (c-76-109-52-251.hsd1.fl.comcast.net [76.109.52.251]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cliodev.ihtfp.com", Issuer "IHTFP Consulting Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by mail.ihtfp.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 443CBBD8569; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:39:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from warlord@localhost) by pgpdev.ihtfp.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id m0HHdZm3024030; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:39:35 -0500 To: "Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman" Cc: Simon Josefsson , "Daniel A. Nagy" , ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Face to face meeting in Cozumel? References: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> <87bq7kbee0.fsf@mocca.josefsson.org> <478F86BF.3000906@buanzo.com.ar> From: Derek Atkins Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:39:35 -0500 In-Reply-To: <478F86BF.3000906@buanzo.com.ar> (Arturo Busleiman's message of "Thu\, 17 Jan 2008 14\:47\:59 -0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 "Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman" writes: > I'd love to attend, specially now that the my OpenPGP Session Management for HTTP (Firefox/Apache) > is complete, but sorry :( I'm afraid I wont be in Cozumel, either. -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Jan 17 13:09:13 2008 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JFZAv-0000jQ-Mm for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:09:13 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JFZAv-0001cA-80 for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:09:13 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0HHjfbx026135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:45:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0HHjfsO026134; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:45:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ihtfp.org (MAIL.IHTFP.ORG [204.107.200.6]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0HHjelJ026126 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:45:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from derek@ihtfp.com) Received: from pgpdev.ihtfp.org (c-76-109-52-251.hsd1.fl.comcast.net [76.109.52.251]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cliodev.ihtfp.com", Issuer "IHTFP Consulting Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by mail.ihtfp.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B18BD8569 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:45:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from warlord@localhost) by pgpdev.ihtfp.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id m0HHjdVN024047; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:45:39 -0500 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Rechartering the OpenPGP WG From: Derek Atkins Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:45:39 -0500 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52e1467c2184c31006318542db5614d5 Happy New Year everyone. At the IETF in Vancouver last month Sam Hartman said that he'd welcome a rechartering discussion to allow us to continue to work. So before I start writing up a charter and milestones, please pipe up if: 1) You are working on a draft that you think should be in the WG 2) You are thinking of working on a draft in the near future that you think should be in the WG 3) You have a working item topic that you'd like the WG to handle but you're not working on a draft yet but would like to get someone to work on. Obviously #1 and #2 take significant precedence over #3. In addition, please provide time estimates for how much work you suspect the draft will take (so we can set up appropriate WG milestones). Please respond in the next week so I can collect the responses and work on an updated WG Charter. NOTE: If you do not respond then your idea will not be included in the charter. If I hear nothing then the WG will just be closed, which means you'll actually need to physically attend IETFs to get a new WG chartered. I look forward to hearing from you. -derek, your friendly neighborhood working group chair -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Jan 17 13:09:54 2008 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JFZBa-0000rG-Si for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:09:54 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JFZBa-0001cr-FU for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:09:54 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0HHoh5H026540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:50:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0HHohlF026539; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:50:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from goten.sonance.net (goten.sonance.net [88.198.58.135]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0HHoeYm026522 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:50:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from iang@systemics.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2032157C00; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:57:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from goten.sonance.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (goten.sonance.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gasJiaOIB7Jr; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:57:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from zhukov.local (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACFF657BEC; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:57:31 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <478F9568.9080600@systemics.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:50:32 +0100 From: Ian G User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman" CC: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Face to face meeting in Cozumel? References: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> <87bq7kbee0.fsf@mocca.josefsson.org> <478F86BF.3000906@buanzo.com.ar> In-Reply-To: <478F86BF.3000906@buanzo.com.ar> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman wrote: > ... the my OpenPGP Session Management > for HTTP (Firefox/Apache) Que es? iang From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Jan 17 14:09:35 2008 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JFa7L-0004Xm-5t for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:09:35 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JFa7K-0002vO-FT for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:09:35 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0HInThI033266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:49:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0HInToD033265; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:49:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from yxa.extundo.com (yxa.extundo.com [83.241.177.38]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0HInP4a033255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:49:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from simon@josefsson.org) Received: from mocca.josefsson.org (yxa.extundo.com [83.241.177.38]) (authenticated bits=0) by yxa.extundo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m0HIn92w013967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:49:12 +0100 From: Simon Josefsson To: Derek Atkins Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Rechartering the OpenPGP WG References: OpenPGP: id=B565716F; url=http://josefsson.org/key.txt X-Hashcash: 1:22:080117:derek@ihtfp.com::QgsO+Um8Kg7Q/EwG:Aw3/ X-Hashcash: 1:22:080117:ietf-openpgp@imc.org::OsFrDD+1cAdHd3As:EgUg Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:49:09 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Derek Atkins's message of "Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:45:39 -0500") Message-ID: <87ejcg47a2.fsf@mocca.josefsson.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on yxa.extundo.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5a9a1bd6c2d06a21d748b7d0070ddcb8 I'm interested in seeing the OpenPGP mail header draft published, but we need help to finish it. I recall that there were some comments on the ABNF schema and I don't have the ABNF expertize or time available to look into it. What's missing is properly specifying the OpenPGP: header to be compatible with RFC 2822 style ABNF in particular wrt proper whitespace handling. The current draft is at: http://josefsson.org/openpgp-header/ The other open issue is PGP/MIME vs inline PGP "supports" header. The earlier discussion wasn't productive, and my conclusion was that there is no consensus on how PGP signed e-mail should look like that is worth writing into the document. I strongly think that supporting anything but PGP/MIME is broken, but others seems to have equally strong opposite opinions. I would suggest to drop this part of the specification, it is only mentioned as an open issue right now. /Simon Derek Atkins writes: > Happy New Year everyone. > > At the IETF in Vancouver last month Sam Hartman said that he'd > welcome a rechartering discussion to allow us to continue to > work. So before I start writing up a charter and milestones, > please pipe up if: > > 1) You are working on a draft that you think should be in the WG > 2) You are thinking of working on a draft in the near future > that you think should be in the WG > 3) You have a working item topic that you'd like the WG to handle > but you're not working on a draft yet but would like to get > someone to work on. > > Obviously #1 and #2 take significant precedence over #3. In > addition, please provide time estimates for how much work > you suspect the draft will take (so we can set up appropriate > WG milestones). > > Please respond in the next week so I can collect the responses > and work on an updated WG Charter. > > NOTE: If you do not respond then your idea will not be included > in the charter. If I hear nothing then the WG will just be closed, > which means you'll actually need to physically attend IETFs > to get a new WG chartered. > > I look forward to hearing from you. > > -derek, your friendly neighborhood working group chair > -- > Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 > derek@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com > Computer and Internet Security Consultant From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Jan 17 16:20:48 2008 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JFcAK-00060P-Ot for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:20:48 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JFcAK-0006aJ-7L for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:20:48 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0HL0ubL047102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:00:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0HL0uiH047101; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:00:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.epointsystem.org (120.156-228-195.hosting.adatpark.hu [195.228.156.120]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0HL0sAT047093 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:00:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nagydani@epointsystem.org) Received: by mail.epointsystem.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7ED2F3D69; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:59:03 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:59:03 +0100 To: Simon Josefsson Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Face to face meeting in Cozumel? Message-ID: <20080117205902.GC30234@epointsystem.org> References: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> <87bq7kbee0.fsf@mocca.josefsson.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VrqPEDrXMn8OVzN4" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87bq7kbee0.fsf@mocca.josefsson.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aafa0432175920a4b3e118e16c5cb64 --VrqPEDrXMn8OVzN4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 05:33:43PM +0100, Simon Josefsson wrote: > nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) writes: >=20 > > - C library development. Currently, we have an orphaned(?) OpenCDK and = an >=20 > I'm not going to be in Cozumel. In response to the '(?)', OpenCDK has > recently been updated (the 0.6.x series) after a long period of minimal > maintainance. We are moving towards a LGPL version of libopencdk, which > was included in the core GnuTLS library git repository just a few days > ago. Good to know! Thank you for the update. Do you have a homepage? How about API documentation? I have been using OpenCDK for several projects at ePoint System, but seeing it abandoned, I considered switching to OpenPGP:SDK, which, unfortunately, is not up to the task yet. I strongly believe that having a widely used C library for common OpenPGP functionality would be great for the wider acceptance and use of the standa= rd. It is very good to hear that OpenCDK is supported again! Cheers, --=20 Daniel --VrqPEDrXMn8OVzN4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQDVAwUBR4/Bla6pEulQFnIMAQIC7AX/SRP0LplxxIPP2yL4HBYp5bNSnauKxyIK ESuJC2SOmYq1QybJ6phdAc+1QEc18sLFK/99P+jSnR2BtPJgzNpE7MmlHHCJahe2 XnWWmI+Nsf5BQmhwToGeyfg+GWWYmsK9xaz7Y8C5OpkrYKhjaXC+CRO+CQLyPAmy 0kMMNEUkwnYjUo7H5YBkISmYHsl4LqTwW8VaHYzLrCkQISMKo0Kx3erWLC+69ekl eRyOltYCQGiZ/NWYd9dcpxYC5jAe8d12 =8i+H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VrqPEDrXMn8OVzN4-- From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Jan 17 21:27:22 2008 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JFgx0-0001QP-Ch for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:27:22 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JFgwy-0003XK-Ps for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:27:22 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0I25IsL070206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:05:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0I25Igf070205; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:05:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0I25Ha2070199 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:05:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.jabberwocky.com (c-75-69-177-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [75.69.177.157]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id m0I25Fu24301 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:05:15 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0I25AEP027543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:05:10 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0I25AU6005253 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:05:10 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id m0I25911005252 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:05:09 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:05:09 -0500 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Rechartering the OpenPGP WG Message-ID: <20080118020509.GA4808@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-05-20) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b19722fc8d3865b147c75ae2495625f2 On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 12:45:39PM -0500, Derek Atkins wrote: > > Happy New Year everyone. > > At the IETF in Vancouver last month Sam Hartman said that he'd > welcome a rechartering discussion to allow us to continue to > work. So before I start writing up a charter and milestones, > please pipe up if: > > 1) You are working on a draft that you think should be in the WG > 2) You are thinking of working on a draft in the near future > that you think should be in the WG > 3) You have a working item topic that you'd like the WG to handle > but you're not working on a draft yet but would like to get > someone to work on. > > Obviously #1 and #2 take significant precedence over #3. In > addition, please provide time estimates for how much work > you suspect the draft will take (so we can set up appropriate > WG milestones). > > Please respond in the next week so I can collect the responses > and work on an updated WG Charter. I have the Camellia draft (new one coming in a few days - thanks to everyone for all the comments), and Len Sassaman mentioned Whirlpool. If the charter can be written that way, I think a good addition would be a general statement about adding (or rejecting) new algorithms as they come up. 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[128.220.13.173]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0IKRjdT062607 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:27:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.jabberwocky.com (c-75-69-177-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [75.69.177.157]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id m0IKRhu28771 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:27:43 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0IKRc9M005911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:27:38 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0IKRbLN009096 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:27:38 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id m0IKRb2H009095 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:27:37 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:27:29 -0500 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Revocability semantics Message-ID: <20080118202729.GA9019@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: <20080117134152.GA2858@epointsystem.org> <20080117134910.GC2858@epointsystem.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080117134910.GC2858@epointsystem.org> OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-05-20) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9466e0365fc95844abaf7c3f15a05c7d On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 02:49:10PM +0100, Daniel A. Nagy wrote: > Dear WG, > > I am pretty sure that my interpretation of the standard is correct, but I > would like to > a) have it confirmed and > b) make it known to other implementers > > The Revoacble flag as specified by RFC4880, Section 5.2.3.12, when set to 0, > only forbids revocation by the issuer, but not by other revokers. > > In particular, if a revocation key (5.2.3.15) is present in addition to the > above flag, it means that the designated revoker is allowed to revoke the > certificate, but the issuer is not. Unless I misunderstand what you are suggesting, I think my reading of the standard says otherwise. Specifically, if the revocable flag is set to 'no', that means nobody (be they the issuer or designated revoker) can revoke. Take this scenario: Alice has a key and sets Baker and Charlie as designated revokers. If revokers other than the issuer were allowed to revoke signatures marked as irrevocable, then Baker could revoke Charlie's designated revoker status. For that matter, Baker could revoke his *own* designated revoker status. David From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Fri Jan 18 18:03:48 2008 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JG0FX-0002tQ-FU for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:03:47 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JG0FX-00008b-2u for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:03:47 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0IMZcLR072003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:35:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0IMZcV6072002; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:35:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [66.93.68.160]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0IMZb2j071995 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:35:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jon@callas.org) Received: from keys.merrymeet.com (keys.merrymeet.com [66.93.68.161]) (Authenticated sender: jon) by merrymeet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C9AC0B761 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:35:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from titania.pgp.com ([63.251.255.205]) by keys.merrymeet.com (PGP Universal service); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:35:37 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.merrymeet.com on Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:35:37 -0800 Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Message-Id: <1BE63331-D650-4E1A-8BED-89F597CBB936@callas.org> From: Jon Callas To: "Daniel A. Nagy" In-Reply-To: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Face to face meeting in Cozumel? Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:35:35 -0800 References: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-PGP-Encoding-Format: Partitioned X-PGP-Encoding-Version: 2.0.2 X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9466e0365fc95844abaf7c3f15a05c7d -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > I have noticed, that several active members of the WG are going to > attend > FC2008 in Cozumel, Mexico. > > Would you be interested in an informal meeting to discuss some > OpenPGP-related issues face to face? A restaurant or a lounge in the > hotel > would be my preferred location. > It might be just you and me, but sure! Jon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Universal 2.6.3 Charset: US-ASCII wj8DBQFHkSm5sTedWZOD3gYRAvajAJwOwLsEDhVme3bwvWBEH1TQlM2rkwCgtct+ 64SzuO8iMbHlCHcbklOBK7s= =nCkQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Fri Jan 18 18:04:20 2008 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JG0G4-0005XE-FY for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:04:20 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JG0G4-00009F-2e for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:04:20 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0IMimBv072598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:44:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0IMimX4072597; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:44:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [66.93.68.160]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0IMijoL072581 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:44:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jon@callas.org) Received: from keys.merrymeet.com (keys.merrymeet.com [66.93.68.161]) (Authenticated sender: jon) by merrymeet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E3C9C0B7E3 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:44:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from titania.pgp.com ([63.251.255.205]) by keys.merrymeet.com (PGP Universal service); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:44:45 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.merrymeet.com on Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:44:45 -0800 Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Message-Id: From: Jon Callas To: Derek Atkins In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Rechartering the OpenPGP WG Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:44:43 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-PGP-Encoding-Format: Partitioned X-PGP-Encoding-Version: 2.0.2 X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b30eb7682a596edff707698f4a80f7d -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > > Please respond in the next week so I can collect the responses > and work on an updated WG Charter. > Here's some things I think should be put on the table: * PFS * New symmetric ciphers, e.g. Camillia * Elliptic Curve / Suite B Crypto * AHS support * Exotic Signatures (Dan Nagy mentioned this) * Extended Fingerprints * OpenPGP/MIME improvements I'm sure there are others I may have forgotten. Not being on that list doesn't mean that I think it should be excluded. Also, being on that list only means we will discuss or create drafts. We might decide that discussion doesn't get to a draft, or draft doesn't get to RFC. If something isn't in the charter, we won't discuss it. So being in the charter only means a willingness to discuss. Jon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Universal 2.6.3 Charset: US-ASCII wj8DBQFHkSvdsTedWZOD3gYRAlyTAKC9EisEqMBYp19ea1PtgfFnJRJ/wwCfb07Y +3CUL9o5c15rBUCzx5x9d70= =fvLq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Fri Jan 18 18:08:20 2008 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JG0Jw-0003mm-CO for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:08:20 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JG0Jv-0000Cv-LN for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:08:20 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0IMmPS0072830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:48:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0IMmPAW072829; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:48:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [66.93.68.160]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0IMmOl6072816 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:48:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jon@callas.org) Received: from keys.merrymeet.com (keys.merrymeet.com [66.93.68.161]) (Authenticated sender: jon) by merrymeet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F38C3C0B848 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:48:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from titania.pgp.com ([63.251.255.205]) by keys.merrymeet.com (PGP Universal service); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:48:24 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.merrymeet.com on Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:48:24 -0800 Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org, ietf-smime@imc.org, tls@ietf.org Message-Id: <8798292F-A7B6-4ACB-8142-4407A3EA6F31@callas.org> From: Jon Callas To: Peter Gutmann In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Public-key distribution via HTTP Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:48:21 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-PGP-Encoding-Format: Partitioned X-PGP-Encoding-Version: 2.0.2 X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cab78e1e39c4b328567edb48482b6a69 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Jan 12, 2008, at 12:17 AM, Peter Gutmann wrote: > > Don't be mislead by the title (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4387.txt), > it was > published under the auspices of PKIX but it's really "a simple, fairly > universal means of publishing your public key via HTTP". The CACert > folks > have set up a Wiki page to cover implementation info, feedback, and > comments: > http://wiki.cacert.org/wiki/RFC4387. > I like it. The only complaint that I have is that the OpenPGP attributes are a bit behind the times. I would like to see it updated for 4880 and generalized. I think there are some similar issues for X.509, too. (Actual technical details -- a key fingerprint there is defined to be a binary 160 bits. It ought to be a string because we very well may come up with a generic way to compute a fingerprint with an arbitrary hash. Given that a fingerprint in this context is really just a database retrieval handle (note the way I skillfully avoid the word "key"), having it be just text is a good thing. Also, in 4880, we deprecate the old-style keys. In the new-style keys, a key ID is just a truncation of a fingerprint.) Jon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Universal 2.6.3 Charset: US-ASCII wj8DBQFHkSy4sTedWZOD3gYRAvR4AKDIg9jHBkbd4LYrq7Zy4Gb8SCCnvACfVutc jGcjwQd2l6LQ0nEj8sjJo1w= =Nn4m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Fri Jan 18 18:15:08 2008 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JG0QW-0005s2-Np for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:15:08 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JG0QW-0000Hw-B0 for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:15:08 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0IMim9t072596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:44:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0IMimX8072595; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:44:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [66.93.68.160]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0IMil1b072587 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:44:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jon@callas.org) Received: from keys.merrymeet.com (keys.merrymeet.com [66.93.68.161]) (Authenticated sender: jon) by merrymeet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2CE6C0B7E6 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:44:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from titania.pgp.com ([63.251.255.205]) by keys.merrymeet.com (PGP Universal service); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:44:47 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.merrymeet.com on Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:44:47 -0800 Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Message-Id: <00C4EED8-228F-4A01-95D5-8400A0131BF8@callas.org> From: Jon Callas To: "Daniel A. Nagy" In-Reply-To: <20080117134910.GC2858@epointsystem.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Revocability semantics Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:44:47 -0800 References: <20080117134152.GA2858@epointsystem.org> <20080117134910.GC2858@epointsystem.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-PGP-Encoding-Format: Partitioned X-PGP-Encoding-Version: 2.0.2 X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52e1467c2184c31006318542db5614d5 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > > The context is the implementation of IOU notes as self-signatures on > PGP > public keys, so that the PKS infrastructure can be used for their > dissemination (and, thus, for credit reputation tracking). More on > this at > the upcoming FC2008, in Cozumel. ;-) I think you're splitting hairs in a delightful way. David Shaw describes the way I always considered it. Non-revocable was always supposed to be non-revocable. However, as I've said many times, OpenPGP is far more syntactic than semantic. On the other hand, if you're building some private system where you implement those semantics, and genuinely don't care if (e.g.) my product doesn't agree with those semantics, then go right ahead. 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P.s. for those who care we had a discussion about Elliptic Curve over on the openssl list recently. The point being I agree with the work item and I think others would too. > > I'm sure there are others I may have forgotten. Not being on that list > doesn't mean that I think it should be excluded. Also, being on that > list only means we will discuss or create drafts. We might decide that > discussion doesn't get to a draft, or draft doesn't get to RFC. If > something isn't in the charter, we won't discuss it. So being in the > charter only means a willingness to discuss. concur... From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Fri Jan 18 20:28:14 2008 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JG2VK-000832-Bd for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:28:14 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JG2VJ-0003nn-SB for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:28:14 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0J19d0j084154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:09:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0J19dLX084153; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:09:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0J19cvr084147 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:09:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.jabberwocky.com (c-75-69-177-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [75.69.177.157]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id m0J19bu29786 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:09:37 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0J19WEj007917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:09:32 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0J19WcN009775 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:09:32 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id m0J19WWO009774 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:09:32 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:09:31 -0500 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Rechartering the OpenPGP WG Message-ID: <20080119010931.GB9591@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-05-20) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b30eb7682a596edff707698f4a80f7d On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 02:44:43PM -0800, Jon Callas wrote: > > > > > > > Please respond in the next week so I can collect the responses > > and work on an updated WG Charter. > > > > Here's some things I think should be put on the table: > > * PFS > * New symmetric ciphers, e.g. Camillia > * Elliptic Curve / Suite B Crypto > * AHS support > * Exotic Signatures (Dan Nagy mentioned this) > * Extended Fingerprints > * OpenPGP/MIME improvements > > I'm sure there are others I may have forgotten. Not being on that list > doesn't mean that I think it should be excluded. Also, being on that > list only means we will discuss or create drafts. We might decide that > discussion doesn't get to a draft, or draft doesn't get to RFC. If > something isn't in the charter, we won't discuss it. So being in the > charter only means a willingness to discuss. Indeed, and in that light, I'd like to add to the list: * V5 keys * Changing/adding to the default / MUST-implement symmetric cipher * Changing/adding to the default / MUST-implement hash algorithm V5 keys might be the easiest way to get extended fingerprints or a different default cipher, as it neatly removes the backwards-compatibility issues. This is true even if V5 is defined as identical to V4 except for the version number. David From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Fri Jan 18 20:45:37 2008 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JG2m9-00089g-0P for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:45:37 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JG2m8-00046j-Hy for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:45:36 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0J1STka085418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:28:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0J1STLQ085417; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:28:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0J1SSdY085411 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:28:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.jabberwocky.com (c-75-69-177-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [75.69.177.157]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id m0J1SRu29872 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:28:27 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0J1SNDt008033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:28:23 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0J1SMu8009872 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:28:22 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id m0J1SIKd009871 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:28:18 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:28:17 -0500 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Revocability semantics Message-ID: <20080119012817.GC9591@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: <20080117134152.GA2858@epointsystem.org> <20080117134910.GC2858@epointsystem.org> <00C4EED8-228F-4A01-95D5-8400A0131BF8@callas.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <00C4EED8-228F-4A01-95D5-8400A0131BF8@callas.org> OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-05-20) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b30eb7682a596edff707698f4a80f7d On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 02:44:47PM -0800, Jon Callas wrote: > > The context is the implementation of IOU notes as self-signatures on > > PGP > > public keys, so that the PKS infrastructure can be used for their > > dissemination (and, thus, for credit reputation tracking). More on > > this at > > the upcoming FC2008, in Cozumel. ;-) > > I think you're splitting hairs in a delightful way. > > David Shaw describes the way I always considered it. Non-revocable was > always supposed to be non-revocable. However, as I've said many times, > OpenPGP is far more syntactic than semantic. Designated revokers have always seemed a bit messy to me. The spec allows for things like Alice revoking signatures issued by Baker on Charlie's key (Alice being Baker's designated revoker). In practice, nobody has ever actually implemented that. All implementations that I know of allow Alice to revoke Baker's key and that's it. If we go down that path, I'd rather see Daniel's desired semantics implemented using notations or new subpackets, rather than add further meaning to designated revokers and the non-revocable tag. Actually, I'd go even further and suggest at some point in the future (hey - a WG item!) we split the current notion of designated revokers in pieces. Users can grant the designated revoker exactly what powers (or combination thereof) they choose to. One ability is to revoke signatures. Another is to revoke keys. Note that I'm not against the "designed revoker revoking signatures" concept. I just don't want the "you can revoke my signatures" ability inextricably tied to the "you can revoke my key" ability. They're really not the same. David From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Sat Jan 19 03:21:46 2008 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JG8xV-0003el-2t for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 03:21:45 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JG8xT-0001Ng-FB for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 03:21:45 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0J7xo4h005769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:59:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0J7xo4J005768; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:59:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.epointsystem.org (120.156-228-195.hosting.adatpark.hu [195.228.156.120]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0J7xmEf005760 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:59:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nagydani@epointsystem.org) Received: by mail.epointsystem.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 76F7E3D45; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:57:52 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:57:52 +0100 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Cc: gergely+rfid@risko.hu Subject: Re: Revocability semantics Message-ID: <20080119075752.GA5922@epointsystem.org> References: <20080117134152.GA2858@epointsystem.org> <20080117134910.GC2858@epointsystem.org> <00C4EED8-228F-4A01-95D5-8400A0131BF8@callas.org> <20080119012817.GC9591@jabberwocky.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080119012817.GC9591@jabberwocky.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 02ec665d00de228c50c93ed6b5e4fc1a --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I did some more thinking over the issue of revocations and looked into the source code of GPG to see what it does. For one thing, key-uid and key-attribute binding revocations are exactly identical to certifications, except for the signature type (0x30 instead of 0x10..0x13). It does not revoke any particular certification sig., but the binding itself, like a negative assertion: "I certify that this uid/attribute DOES NOT belong to the owner of this key". David seems to be right about the fact that currently, there is no distinction between key-revokers and certification revokers. However, since this functionality is not it wide use yet, I would suggest to make the following somewhat backwards-compatible change: The revocation key subpacket authorizes revocations only for the subject of the certificate in which it has been included. Thus, if it is a certificate directly on a key, it allows the designated revoker to revoke the key. If it is in a key-uid binding certificate, it allows the designated revoker to revoke that particular key-uid binding. Alternatively, we could add a new subpacket type with this semantics, and leave 5.2.3.15 as it is. As for the revocability bit (as defined in 5.2.3.12), it only refers to the author of the certification, being a committment by the signer. The standard seems to be pretty clear about that. Its wording, however, makes one wonder= =20 HOW signatures can be revoked, since the rest of the standard talks only about revocations of keys and key-attribute/key-uid bindings, but not signatures as such. I'd think, it merits some more discussion. As for my own itch, I am increasingly confident that I will implement IOU notes as attributes, much like photo IDs. Regards, --=20 Daniel --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQDVAwUBR5Gtf66pEulQFnIMAQLdMwYAoEnQm9dVZUx6LH5P9c4/uBkXbFEFptXp CnbWUGFvY2+plyO2k1k5+M168I6NU5QMcVIFX6OwKjLhytBH2iI0Ar66SUxh3Vcs nES7lEjSljvfdY8wByIhKw1Kr56LKA9QYQENVtpi7H2nX0eNdai9vHeyxjZgXaUS L6sC8GO425qBt5g6/uwbFiO3PsNfD+x/0dzvkKM8zcrHFAEmJ3uSTYp6FbbDO6GW IVs1lCQMbfM/kLEN6jGj6SsK0L4uPCpx =H1rN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g-- From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Sat Jan 19 03:25:53 2008 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JG91V-0006f1-Ao for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 03:25:53 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JG91U-0001Qz-U5 for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 03:25:53 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0J89Dcm006259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:09:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0J89D0e006258; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:09:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from thetis.deor.org (thetis.deor.org [207.106.86.210]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0J89CI9006250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:09:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rabbi@abditum.com) Received: by thetis.deor.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 72B3E45055; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:09:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thetis.deor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CBAA48027; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:09:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:09:11 -0800 (PST) From: Len Sassaman X-X-Sender: rabbi@thetis.deor.org To: David Shaw Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Rechartering the OpenPGP WG In-Reply-To: <20080118020509.GA4808@jabberwocky.com> Message-ID: References: <20080118020509.GA4808@jabberwocky.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 On Thu, 17 Jan 2008, David Shaw wrote: > I have the Camellia draft (new one coming in a few days - thanks to > everyone for all the comments), and Len Sassaman mentioned Whirlpool. > If the charter can be written that way, I think a good addition would > be a general statement about adding (or rejecting) new algorithms as > they come up. Yep, I'm working on the Whirlpool draft; I've been held up with some conference submissions, etc., but having a line-item for possible new hashs considered would be nice. From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Sat Jan 19 03:26:30 2008 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JG925-0007N3-Vm for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 03:26:29 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JG925-0001RO-Il for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 03:26:29 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0J8AmDU006398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:10:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0J8Am8Y006396; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:10:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from thetis.deor.org (thetis.deor.org [207.106.86.210]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0J8AlQp006389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:10:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rabbi@abditum.com) Received: by thetis.deor.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 215F84505B; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:10:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thetis.deor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D16448019; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:10:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:10:46 -0800 (PST) From: Len Sassaman X-X-Sender: rabbi@thetis.deor.org To: David Shaw Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Rechartering the OpenPGP WG In-Reply-To: <20080119010931.GB9591@jabberwocky.com> Message-ID: References: <20080119010931.GB9591@jabberwocky.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 On Fri, 18 Jan 2008, David Shaw wrote: > * V5 keys > * Changing/adding to the default / MUST-implement symmetric cipher > * Changing/adding to the default / MUST-implement hash algorithm > > V5 keys might be the easiest way to get extended fingerprints or a > different default cipher, as it neatly removes the > backwards-compatibility issues. This is true even if V5 is defined as > identical to V4 except for the version number. It would be nice if we had fingerprints read from left-right for the hash of the key; this was apparently the original intention in PGP 3, and someone got the direction wrong. ;) (So if we're redefining fingerprints for v5, and could fix this with minimum of fuss, it would be nice.) From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Sat Jan 19 06:34:54 2008 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JGByQ-0004ya-9L for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 06:34:54 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JGByP-0004S8-Gx for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 06:34:54 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0JBDSFL019047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 19 Jan 2008 04:13:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0JBDS4j019046; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 04:13:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from yxa.extundo.com (yxa.extundo.com [83.241.177.38]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0JBDN4V019039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 04:13:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from simon@josefsson.org) Received: from mocca.josefsson.org (yxa.extundo.com [83.241.177.38]) (authenticated bits=0) by yxa.extundo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m0JBDAnb001008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:13:11 +0100 From: Simon Josefsson To: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Face to face meeting in Cozumel? References: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> <87bq7kbee0.fsf@mocca.josefsson.org> <20080117205902.GC30234@epointsystem.org> OpenPGP: id=B565716F; url=http://josefsson.org/key.txt X-Hashcash: 1:22:080119:nagydani@epointsystem.org::FvIqHiSyilibfnMA:16Xc X-Hashcash: 1:22:080119:ietf-openpgp@imc.org::Il/osXWoH0VaWhJk:bEZ/ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:13:10 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20080117205902.GC30234@epointsystem.org> (Daniel A. Nagy's message of "Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:59:03 +0100") Message-ID: <874pdaxe49.fsf@mocca.josefsson.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=4.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on yxa-iv X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on yxa.extundo.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) writes: > On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 05:33:43PM +0100, Simon Josefsson wrote: >> nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) writes: >> >> > - C library development. Currently, we have an orphaned(?) OpenCDK and an >> >> I'm not going to be in Cozumel. In response to the '(?)', OpenCDK has >> recently been updated (the 0.6.x series) after a long period of minimal >> maintainance. We are moving towards a LGPL version of libopencdk, which >> was included in the core GnuTLS library git repository just a few days >> ago. > > Good to know! Thank you for the update. Do you have a homepage? How about > API documentation? None exist online as far as I know, but Timo would know for sure. The code is documented, so it is easy to generate API documentation. I placed the latest generated HTML online at: http://josefsson.org/gnutls/manual/opencdk/opencdk-api.html Generating it using Doxygen or GTK-DOC instead, to yield nicer formatting etc, shouldn't be too hard. > I have been using OpenCDK for several projects at ePoint System, but seeing > it abandoned, I considered switching to OpenPGP:SDK, which, unfortunately, > is not up to the task yet. GnuTLS uses OpenCDK and Nikos has been quite active in working on it recently, to make it implement the latest OpenPGP-in-TLS RFC. > I strongly believe that having a widely used C library for common OpenPGP > functionality would be great for the wider acceptance and use of the standard. > It is very good to hear that OpenCDK is supported again! 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From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Sat Jan 19 12:09:46 2008 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JGHCU-0006Av-1T for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:09:46 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JGHCT-0002ko-HR for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:09:46 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0JGmAam043487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:48:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0JGmACN043486; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:48:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0JGm9kl043478 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:48:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.jabberwocky.com (c-75-69-177-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [75.69.177.157]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id m0JGm0u00579; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:48:00 -0500 Received: from 132.sub-70-200-88.myvzw.com (132.sub-70-200-88.myvzw.com [70.200.88.132]) (authenticated bits=0) by walrus.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0JGleem015015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:47:51 -0500 Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org, gergely+rfid@risko.hu Message-Id: <40E831AA-F5AB-4A0A-90E2-885DB66E1343@jabberwocky.com> From: David Shaw To: "Daniel A. Nagy" In-Reply-To: <20080119075752.GA5922@epointsystem.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Revocability semantics Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:45:07 -0500 References: <20080117134152.GA2858@epointsystem.org> <20080117134910.GC2858@epointsystem.org> <00C4EED8-228F-4A01-95D5-8400A0131BF8@callas.org> <20080119012817.GC9591@jabberwocky.com> <20080119075752.GA5922@epointsystem.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52e1467c2184c31006318542db5614d5 On Jan 19, 2008, at 2:57 AM, Daniel A. Nagy wrote: > David seems to be right about the fact that currently, there is no > distinction between key-revokers and certification revokers. > However, since > this functionality is not it wide use yet, I would suggest to make the > following somewhat backwards-compatible change: The revocation key > subpacket > authorizes revocations only for the subject of the certificate in > which it > has been included. Thus, if it is a certificate directly on a key, > it allows > the designated revoker to revoke the key. If it is in a key-uid > binding > certificate, it allows the designated revoker to revoke that > particular > key-uid binding. I would be okay with this. Putting the designated revoker subpacket in the certificate to indicate that it may be designated-revoked quite neatly gives the issuer the power to choose, which is what I was concerned about earlier. > Alternatively, we could add a new subpacket type with this > semantics, and leave 5.2.3.15 as it is. Obviously, I'm okay with that as well. A mild benefit for plan "A" is a great deal of flexibility, as the issuer could choose on a per-certificate basis which should be designated-revokable or not. It would tend to make certificates a bit larger, though, as they'd have to carry a designated-revoker subpacket. 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Following is an unfinished list I started when this thread popped up a few months back: * picking a future SHA? 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Nagy" , ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Face to face meeting in Cozumel? In-Reply-To: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 On 17/01/2008, Daniel A. Nagy wrote: > Dear WG, > > I have noticed, that several active members of the WG are going to attend > FC2008 in Cozumel, Mexico. > > Would you be interested in an informal meeting to discuss some > OpenPGP-related issues face to face? A restaurant or a lounge in the hotel > would be my preferred location. > > As for myself, I would like to discuss the following (in this order of > importance): > > - C library development. Currently, we have an orphaned(?) OpenCDK and an > incomplete OpenPGP:SDK. A native C library would open the door for > efficient, usable libraries for other languages (Perl, Python, Ruby, > PHP, etc.), so I feel that this is very important. I am counting on Ben > Laurie's participation for this one. > > - Reference implementations, test vectors. > > - Exotic signature types and their possible uses, semantics (timestamp, > notarization, standalone, etc.). > > - Forward secrecy > > Perhaps, others might have other topics that could benefit from face-to-face > discussion. > > Cheers, > > -- > Daniel > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > iQDVAwUBR49gva6pEulQFnIMAQJb1QX/RayunUWsw+TKH8ouiea4nKz7Emi/JIEn > DvkLncKNoUY8KoNEdVQcIniT9WGr7Ll5qL228nPKFa6SFS9R5gQXt6xbBb6oBNGs > WxOw+ACsXXncnjY8P0thDE1MW6ckUtCW7wjAe2EvsLyUlu/5f68sbnjacfYk1Vv0 > oWs+JLSldfToJXgad36gIgJ+u0I+rru/IDocJfKukHiBhnhSwBw73NdseS4KiS6y > vc68tos/1Vc7GCmJKocLiCucAvAZ/A1f > =hfuA > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Mon Jan 21 08:23:51 2008 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JGwcx-0000AQ-MZ for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:23:51 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JGwcv-0005BS-Az for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:23:51 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0LD0Put018326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:00:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0LD0PmF018325; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:00:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.157]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0LD0NwX018317 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:00:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rwillmer@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 22so1869674fge.26 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:00:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=o10CePMFeVsTBs64uflUZ2CMiZMSXSmysEfz9fTzH0k=; b=a011OJPGIGKbYm3njj/ALK8fxxVSAAnTs3mSj56rMY4gOfk6LbD0aCf+ytqyJzRidvOGoPEe9DV1MlX5MXGRPcdwGB/KQq6Zosy8JLlOVZNPH7c5ObaTei7AErECcbryruBQSSWCOidWevStPW1EgcomKiqSzquS+p6u89Rp6mU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pio1j8ErvZge5VXp6oarf4zbU/uDSmxPSCVpbQYUAapAccFT2XM2RHLVFTzgyCu3pBBBxuHJqXjxajK4lqtecOLOkpP330z8usp30yscz/eJ9DTC8oBz2YV9h4WeLkKRhGB5CcswG3AXlzgCkFjHia1eE2JzTKNm361Xku3TUzc= Received: by 10.86.84.5 with SMTP id h5mr6412048fgb.75.1200920422280; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:00:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.28.3 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:00:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5cd112870801210500s10eebe3ex531836adf099cc49@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:00:22 +0000 From: "Rachel Willmer" To: "Daniel A. Nagy" , ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Face to face meeting in Cozumel? In-Reply-To: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a > - C library development. Currently, we have an orphaned(?) OpenCDK and an > incomplete OpenPGP:SDK. A native C library would open the door for > efficient, usable libraries for other languages (Perl, Python, Ruby, > PHP, etc.), so I feel that this is very important. I am counting on Ben > Laurie's participation for this one. Current plan for OpenPGP:SDK is to have a release out in the summer. It won't be complete (RSA only for one thing) but it will do what it does well, with a good test suite and documentation. That's the plan, anyway! Currently working and interoperating with GPG: - encryption - decryption - signature verification - cleartext signature generation and verification In progress: - signature generation To Do: - Keyring management - Command line app Rachel From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Mon Jan 21 08:28:42 2008 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JGwhe-0003Oo-43 for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:28:42 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JGwhd-0005IF-PF for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:28:42 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0LD3GDd018619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:03:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0LD3G9n018618; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:03:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.152]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0LD3EYe018612 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:03:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rwillmer@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 22so1870146fge.26 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:03:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Lo69G2mbiZwWXaQTIT84xYmj8P60/oJiYx/Or0+mpjY=; b=U4tI9PBRWKkvWtIsfiqDtyb6kewlW+QESHUbYFVNMAUErgEqv3ECp/Jwi6N7INXzUas747CV24zbjKZQ/EoPGQEAwDHxxxWvcvcnP6EYSelRR6TxXmG2pU4uOoFn8uT8w8FAfOzX3HlFXB3xxghqkurPxTQeP4wapomlj9teNps= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AbDk5gq2Y7vUHhhTiNgowSxkvX+XYlhIOR9yRxw7zrT7ONXDNCDQd+cZ0pGiGDS/P0M0q7mEE153+gDO7OoQ8ayyMWnX7wPNk2rz3nhupipAHzqAgcpqHR9HkJnFhLBzQK1NwUgpdlfHG+eG2S15N/XTWmu2PrkCuLr5Mcx7VK0= Received: by 10.86.100.7 with SMTP id x7mr6417214fgb.63.1200920594185; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:03:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.28.3 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:03:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5cd112870801210503m720035cera4eb12543adaa56b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:03:14 +0000 From: "Rachel Willmer" To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Face to face meeting in Cozumel? In-Reply-To: <5cd112870801210450u547790hbf4a98918f37427a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> <5cd112870801210450u547790hbf4a98918f37427a@mail.gmail.com> Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6d62ab47271805379d7172ee693a45db Sorry about the email with no useful content - must have hit the send key by mistake! Rachel From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Mon Jan 21 08:32:20 2008 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JGwlA-0000SL-6L for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:32:20 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JGwl9-0005PG-Qb for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:32:20 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0LDGxlF020118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:16:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0LDGxF2020117; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:16:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0LDGuYH020105 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:16:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from buanzo@buanzo.com.ar) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c10so1015681nfd.24 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:16:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.184.2 with SMTP id h2mr8974181huf.27.1200921415058; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:16:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.192.2 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:16:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:16:55 -0200 From: "Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman" To: "Rachel Willmer" Subject: Re: Face to face meeting in Cozumel? Cc: "Daniel A. Nagy" , ietf-openpgp@imc.org In-Reply-To: <5cd112870801210500s10eebe3ex531836adf099cc49@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> <5cd112870801210500s10eebe3ex531836adf099cc49@mail.gmail.com> Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aefe408d50e9c7c47615841cb314bed On 1/21/08, Rachel Willmer wrote: > Current plan for OpenPGP:SDK is to have a release out in the summer. Great! I really am looking forward to a library. I'm currently using GPGME for my Apache's mod_openpgp module. From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Mon Jan 21 08:43:22 2008 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JGwvq-0004s1-FZ for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:43:22 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JGwvo-0005g5-5a for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:43:22 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0LDQg6D020953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:26:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0LDQgQt020952; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:26:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.epointsystem.org (120.156-228-195.hosting.adatpark.hu [195.228.156.120]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0LDQeUp020943 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:26:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nagydani@epointsystem.org) Received: by mail.epointsystem.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 804B9495F; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:24:37 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:24:37 +0100 To: "Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman" Cc: Rachel Willmer , ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Face to face meeting in Cozumel? Message-ID: <20080121132437.GA3065@epointsystem.org> References: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> <5cd112870801210500s10eebe3ex531836adf099cc49@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 11:16:55AM -0200, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman wrote: > On 1/21/08, Rachel Willmer wrote: > > Current plan for OpenPGP:SDK is to have a release out in the summer. >=20 > Great! I really am looking forward to a library. I'm currently using > GPGME for my Apache's mod_openpgp module. Actually, OpenCDK (on top of gcrypt) is quite useful; I have an apache module myself that is using that (mod_payment for pay-per-view stuff). Now that the GnuTLS folks decided to maintain OpenCDK again, it might be a viable alternative to OpenPGP:SDK. The nice thing about the latter is that it uses openssl for crypto, which is installed everywhere anyway. So I am still very much looking forward to its release. --=20 Daniel --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQDVAwUBR5SdFK6pEulQFnIMAQJJwQX9ECTwKkwwb6SBUeXDdLT9EzEBQfpQcyBR fHDxDMPa0CrMuFWyWteMxjQLCECJ57/uch1xqzt0wSvsMKGkAEwrv8jdiseI9nlL t6U6VLtBU5anIy+08VETEWmwvOaxE37Bnw9tRZSWq5sDnLa/B+azHpBv6jf9qaa6 HhNvPahkPRQmxHY9iK/sHraP8ov00CqGXTiJLdahTG/7OaJHkYDdySPzLhu8DbcU MSxJK+vu2QeMJutXb5Xx5sWlIVEmVdNI =EjQj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ-- From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Mon Jan 21 08:50:45 2008 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JGx2z-0003Ae-Ax for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:50:45 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JGx2y-0005uG-Uc for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:50:45 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0LDWs1w021450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:32:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0LDWrwY021449; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:32:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.epointsystem.org (120.156-228-195.hosting.adatpark.hu [195.228.156.120]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0LDWqDw021442 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:32:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nagydani@epointsystem.org) Received: by mail.epointsystem.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B5364495F; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:30:50 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:30:50 +0100 To: Rachel Willmer Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Face to face meeting in Cozumel? Message-ID: <20080121133050.GB3065@epointsystem.org> References: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> <5cd112870801210500s10eebe3ex531836adf099cc49@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6sX45UoQRIJXqkqR" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5cd112870801210500s10eebe3ex531836adf099cc49@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 244a2fd369eaf00ce6820a760a3de2e8 --6sX45UoQRIJXqkqR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you for the update, Rachel! On Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 01:00:22PM +0000, Rachel Willmer wrote: > Current plan for OpenPGP:SDK is to have a release out in the summer. > It won't be complete (RSA only for one thing) but it will do what it > does well, with a good test suite and documentation. That's the plan, > anyway! Doesn't the underlying crypto library (openssl, right?) provide you with all the asymmetric algorithms? Why restrict the release to RSA? > Currently working and interoperating with GPG: > - encryption > - decryption > - signature verification > - cleartext signature generation and verification Nice! > In progress: > - signature generation Does this include certification? > To Do: > - Keyring management But that's in the high-level API, isn't it? > - Command line app Is it going to be like pgp/gpg or more ssleay/openssl-eque? Cheers! --=20 Daniel --6sX45UoQRIJXqkqR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQDVAwUBR5Seiq6pEulQFnIMAQJGvwX9FUBSsiEcEpw9F8ZiUpfOrHcTyvCb4yS+ hTLCmTSQwNFux8y/QimmdBpPnaUxEphJh0n7fuA+KeV3AeULi6YH96M0lpEarJ3/ FA5zucCX2Q9iKSjfm4mo9kiEqt+UXhSAp1sJXsrDncktDP7RKlO3m6O/zBOBk9jY xSngsvGg7M7SqSQWecO9ehjykleDamG5k9SnPozqLZLMiOwPkG+WEEoMHoU8+k2Q 48d0kIz0CIYu3s+PbXcyBpx+uKNdSm1G =vYb/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6sX45UoQRIJXqkqR-- From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Mon Jan 21 08:59:36 2008 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JGxBY-0005MT-8p for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:59:36 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JGxBV-0006BR-Tz for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:59:36 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0LDZOdB021689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:35:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0LDZO3U021688; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:35:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.184]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0LDZMRG021681 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:35:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from buanzo@buanzo.com.ar) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c10so1022246nfd.24 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:35:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.167.12 with SMTP id p12mr8916048hue.20.1200922521273; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:35:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.192.2 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:35:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:35:21 -0200 From: "Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman" To: "Daniel A. Nagy" Subject: Re: Face to face meeting in Cozumel? Cc: "Rachel Willmer" , ietf-openpgp@imc.org In-Reply-To: <20080121132437.GA3065@epointsystem.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> <5cd112870801210500s10eebe3ex531836adf099cc49@mail.gmail.com> <20080121132437.GA3065@epointsystem.org> Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 On 1/21/08, Daniel A. Nagy wrote: > Actually, OpenCDK (on top of gcrypt) is quite useful; I have an apache > module myself that is using that (mod_payment for pay-per-view stuff). That's quite interesting. You read my mind about OpenSSL ;) From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Mon Jan 21 09:08:09 2008 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JGxJp-0006XY-B1 for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:08:09 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JGxJn-0006Qh-PS for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:08:09 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0LDkH5L022772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:46:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0LDkHR5022771; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:46:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from yxa.extundo.com (yxa.extundo.com [83.241.177.38]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0LDkCZi022752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:46:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from simon@josefsson.org) Received: from mocca.josefsson.org (yxa.extundo.com [83.241.177.38]) (authenticated bits=0) by yxa.extundo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m0LDjtcK013889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:45:56 +0100 From: Simon Josefsson To: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Cc: "Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman" , Rachel Willmer , ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Face to face meeting in Cozumel? References: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> <5cd112870801210500s10eebe3ex531836adf099cc49@mail.gmail.com> <20080121132437.GA3065@epointsystem.org> OpenPGP: id=B565716F; url=http://josefsson.org/key.txt X-Hashcash: 1:22:080121:nagydani@epointsystem.org::ZmRLey2Nv3TPFpRZ:0Btn X-Hashcash: 1:22:080121:rwillmer@gmail.com::SyD15+7XAz8U4Y3/:4VSP X-Hashcash: 1:22:080121:ietf-openpgp@imc.org::a80xcdm9jTClgTTs:9+MJ X-Hashcash: 1:22:080121:buanzo@buanzo.com.ar::S9R6qHnnMSEmRUZ+:BcZM Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:45:55 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20080121132437.GA3065@epointsystem.org> (Daniel A. Nagy's message of "Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:24:37 +0100") Message-ID: <87sl0rjnqk.fsf@mocca.josefsson.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=4.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on yxa-iv X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on yxa.extundo.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) writes: > On Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 11:16:55AM -0200, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman wrote: >> On 1/21/08, Rachel Willmer wrote: >> > Current plan for OpenPGP:SDK is to have a release out in the summer. >> >> Great! I really am looking forward to a library. I'm currently using >> GPGME for my Apache's mod_openpgp module. > > Actually, OpenCDK (on top of gcrypt) is quite useful; I have an apache > module myself that is using that (mod_payment for pay-per-view stuff). There is also mod_gnutls, which I think supports OpenPGP in TLS in development versions (Nikos would know for certain). Mod_gnutls uses gnutls and opencdk. http://www.outoforder.cc/projects/apache/mod_gnutls/ /Simon From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Mon Jan 21 09:23:20 2008 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JGxYW-000834-Al for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:23:20 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com ([192.245.12.227]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JGxYV-0006oD-U1 for openpgp-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:23:20 -0500 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0LE2cAu024301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 21 Jan 2008 07:02:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0LE2cSh024300; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 07:02:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.153]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0LE2awX024291 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 07:02:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rwillmer@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 22so1879660fge.26 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:02:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=iLdjHoZ99E1EmSfljOtu6kJe/Ta/hMoWUEjqyMFJgxQ=; b=p8C5LUKl3FcZR4R0L3T4QswB/DXcpxescDwvSllO88PX7U9ddcpywmlXYBLtFtP1snvZASEHtnYgi/5sE0DE2AUFks8BEYdQu5UmJJsly06hxLK7xBKXM6OQq517Sfndk+w3K7BbSJ2VuLLaUv4yYFufmY22BUzhb8HGH53iNbk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CLu0mVbDQK8DyBts3Bm7FaWE5Cv1dRfHss6wijEzRWhemKXoszMC27EZ3iYtqx4JdDc/cF9nfxXeLqGHyiCBMVnRbl1QO9Ns8ufPeMArJgq8n0XoW4NLGzlwTHOQOOt7hqC51Vi7YjCZU+bsVeQHhW/QKlu3JIk6jQTjbRjNiHU= Received: by 10.82.134.12 with SMTP id h12mr12359694bud.29.1200924155513; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:02:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.28.3 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:02:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5cd112870801210602s2d00e285va47f2fd2c18caf41@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:02:35 +0000 From: "Rachel Willmer" To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Fwd: Face to face meeting in Cozumel? In-Reply-To: <5cd112870801210601ied163a3h70bc2366ac30c7fa@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> <5cd112870801210500s10eebe3ex531836adf099cc49@mail.gmail.com> <20080121133050.GB3065@epointsystem.org> <5cd112870801210601ied163a3h70bc2366ac30c7fa@mail.gmail.com> Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cab78e1e39c4b328567edb48482b6a69 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rachel Willmer Date: 21 Jan 2008 14:01 Subject: Re: Face to face meeting in Cozumel? To: "Daniel A. Nagy" On 21/01/2008, Daniel A. Nagy wrote: > Doesn't the underlying crypto library (openssl, right?) provide you with all > the asymmetric algorithms? Why restrict the release to RSA? To keep the customer who's sponsoring the project happy. Everything takes time to code, document and test; and they'd prefer to see a minimal release now rather than a complete release later. Once the initial release is done, then it should be easy to follow up with support for other algorithms because of the use of openssl. > > > In progress: > > - signature generation > > Does this include certification? Can you be more specific? > > > To Do: > > - Keyring management > > But that's in the high-level API, isn't it? There's some code to do with keyring management, but not everything. > > > - Command line app > > Is it going to be like pgp/gpg or more ssleay/openssl-eque? How do you mean? Rachel From raindraiualpt@KVBC.COM Mon Jan 21 15:24:55 2008 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JH3CR-00066Q-6N for openpgp-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 15:24:55 -0500 Received: from ayk1.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl ([83.27.122.1]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JH3CQ-0007qk-Fx for openpgp-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 15:24:55 -0500 Received: from dysma-kf1y8xksr ([141.149.3.37] helo=dysma-kf1y8xksr) by ayk1.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl ( sendmail 8.13.3/8.13.1) with esmtpa id 1dONZy-000IOP-HP for openpgp-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:24:31 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:24:17 +0100 From: User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: openpgp-archive@ietf.org Subject: rancors Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 4.4 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 08e48e05374109708c00c6208b534009 Sharon said my newfound size was like a battering ram http://phgehaif.com/
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In-Reply-To: <5cd112870801210602s2d00e285va47f2fd2c18caf41@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> <5cd112870801210500s10eebe3ex531836adf099cc49@mail.gmail.com> <20080121133050.GB3065@epointsystem.org> <5cd112870801210601ied163a3h70bc2366ac30c7fa@mail.gmail.com> <5cd112870801210602s2d00e285va47f2fd2c18caf41@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad On Mon, 21 Jan 2008, Rachel Willmer wrote: > > Doesn't the underlying crypto library (openssl, right?) provide you with all > > the asymmetric algorithms? Why restrict the release to RSA? > > To keep the customer who's sponsoring the project happy. Everything > takes time to code, document and test; and they'd prefer to see a > minimal release now rather than a complete release later. There's also good reason not to support DSA in OpenPGP, due to the lack of a hash function firewall. 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I incorporated the various changes suggested on the last go round, including 128 and 256-bit key lengths. 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(c-75-69-177-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [75.69.177.157]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id m0NGspu24501 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:54:52 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0NGskUV026687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:54:46 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0NGskDm021621 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:54:46 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id m0NGsiHa021620 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:54:44 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:54:43 -0500 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-01.txt Message-ID: <20080123165443.GB21539@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-05-20) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Tue, Jan 22, 2008 at 12:15:02PM -0500, Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: > This document presents the necessary information to use the Camellia > symmetric block cipher in the OpenPGP protocol. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-01.txt As before, please comment. I incorporated the various changes suggested on the last go round, including 128 and 256-bit key lengths. David Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0MKbcv3090086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:37:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0MKbcgN090085; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:37:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from thetis.deor.org (thetis.deor.org [207.106.86.210]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0MKbarR090075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:37:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rabbi@abditum.com) Received: by thetis.deor.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id ED7E64504E; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:37:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thetis.deor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D98A44801B; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:37:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:37:28 -0800 (PST) From: Len Sassaman X-X-Sender: rabbi@thetis.deor.org To: Rachel Willmer Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Face to face meeting in Cozumel? In-Reply-To: <5cd112870801210602s2d00e285va47f2fd2c18caf41@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> <5cd112870801210500s10eebe3ex531836adf099cc49@mail.gmail.com> <20080121133050.GB3065@epointsystem.org> <5cd112870801210601ied163a3h70bc2366ac30c7fa@mail.gmail.com> <5cd112870801210602s2d00e285va47f2fd2c18caf41@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Mon, 21 Jan 2008, Rachel Willmer wrote: > > Doesn't the underlying crypto library (openssl, right?) provide you with all > > the asymmetric algorithms? Why restrict the release to RSA? > > To keep the customer who's sponsoring the project happy. Everything > takes time to code, document and test; and they'd prefer to see a > minimal release now rather than a complete release later. There's also good reason not to support DSA in OpenPGP, due to the lack of a hash function firewall. 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This draft is a work item of the An Open Specification for Pretty Good Privacy Working Group of the IETF. Title : The Camellia Cipher in OpenPGP Author(s) : D. Shaw Filename : draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-01.txt Pages : 5 Date : 2008-1-22 This document presents the necessary information to use the Camellia symmetric block cipher in the OpenPGP protocol. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-01.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-openpgp-camellia-01.txt". 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In-Reply-To: <5cd112870801210601ied163a3h70bc2366ac30c7fa@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> <5cd112870801210500s10eebe3ex531836adf099cc49@mail.gmail.com> <20080121133050.GB3065@epointsystem.org> <5cd112870801210601ied163a3h70bc2366ac30c7fa@mail.gmail.com> Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rachel Willmer Date: 21 Jan 2008 14:01 Subject: Re: Face to face meeting in Cozumel? To: "Daniel A. Nagy" On 21/01/2008, Daniel A. Nagy wrote: > Doesn't the underlying crypto library (openssl, right?) provide you with all > the asymmetric algorithms? Why restrict the release to RSA? To keep the customer who's sponsoring the project happy. Everything takes time to code, document and test; and they'd prefer to see a minimal release now rather than a complete release later. Once the initial release is done, then it should be easy to follow up with support for other algorithms because of the use of openssl. > > > In progress: > > - signature generation > > Does this include certification? Can you be more specific? > > > To Do: > > - Keyring management > > But that's in the high-level API, isn't it? There's some code to do with keyring management, but not everything. > > > - Command line app > > Is it going to be like pgp/gpg or more ssleay/openssl-eque? How do you mean? Rachel Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0LDkH5L022772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:46:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0LDkHR5022771; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:46:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from yxa.extundo.com (yxa.extundo.com [83.241.177.38]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0LDkCZi022752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:46:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from simon@josefsson.org) Received: from mocca.josefsson.org (yxa.extundo.com [83.241.177.38]) (authenticated bits=0) by yxa.extundo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m0LDjtcK013889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:45:56 +0100 From: Simon Josefsson To: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Cc: "Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman" , Rachel Willmer , ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Face to face meeting in Cozumel? References: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> <5cd112870801210500s10eebe3ex531836adf099cc49@mail.gmail.com> <20080121132437.GA3065@epointsystem.org> OpenPGP: id=B565716F; url=http://josefsson.org/key.txt X-Hashcash: 1:22:080121:nagydani@epointsystem.org::ZmRLey2Nv3TPFpRZ:0Btn X-Hashcash: 1:22:080121:rwillmer@gmail.com::SyD15+7XAz8U4Y3/:4VSP X-Hashcash: 1:22:080121:ietf-openpgp@imc.org::a80xcdm9jTClgTTs:9+MJ X-Hashcash: 1:22:080121:buanzo@buanzo.com.ar::S9R6qHnnMSEmRUZ+:BcZM Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:45:55 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20080121132437.GA3065@epointsystem.org> (Daniel A. Nagy's message of "Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:24:37 +0100") Message-ID: <87sl0rjnqk.fsf@mocca.josefsson.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=4.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on yxa-iv X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on yxa.extundo.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) writes: > On Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 11:16:55AM -0200, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman wrote: >> On 1/21/08, Rachel Willmer wrote: >> > Current plan for OpenPGP:SDK is to have a release out in the summer. >> >> Great! I really am looking forward to a library. I'm currently using >> GPGME for my Apache's mod_openpgp module. > > Actually, OpenCDK (on top of gcrypt) is quite useful; I have an apache > module myself that is using that (mod_payment for pay-per-view stuff). There is also mod_gnutls, which I think supports OpenPGP in TLS in development versions (Nikos would know for certain). Mod_gnutls uses gnutls and opencdk. http://www.outoforder.cc/projects/apache/mod_gnutls/ /Simon Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0LDZOdB021689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:35:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0LDZO3U021688; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:35:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.184]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0LDZMRG021681 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:35:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from buanzo@buanzo.com.ar) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c10so1022246nfd.24 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:35:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.167.12 with SMTP id p12mr8916048hue.20.1200922521273; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:35:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.192.2 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:35:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:35:21 -0200 From: "Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman" To: "Daniel A. Nagy" Subject: Re: Face to face meeting in Cozumel? Cc: "Rachel Willmer" , ietf-openpgp@imc.org In-Reply-To: <20080121132437.GA3065@epointsystem.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> <5cd112870801210500s10eebe3ex531836adf099cc49@mail.gmail.com> <20080121132437.GA3065@epointsystem.org> Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On 1/21/08, Daniel A. Nagy wrote: > Actually, OpenCDK (on top of gcrypt) is quite useful; I have an apache > module myself that is using that (mod_payment for pay-per-view stuff). That's quite interesting. You read my mind about OpenSSL ;) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0LDWs1w021450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:32:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0LDWrwY021449; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:32:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.epointsystem.org (120.156-228-195.hosting.adatpark.hu [195.228.156.120]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0LDWqDw021442 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:32:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nagydani@epointsystem.org) Received: by mail.epointsystem.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B5364495F; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:30:50 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:30:50 +0100 To: Rachel Willmer Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Face to face meeting in Cozumel? Message-ID: <20080121133050.GB3065@epointsystem.org> References: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> <5cd112870801210500s10eebe3ex531836adf099cc49@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6sX45UoQRIJXqkqR" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5cd112870801210500s10eebe3ex531836adf099cc49@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: --6sX45UoQRIJXqkqR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you for the update, Rachel! On Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 01:00:22PM +0000, Rachel Willmer wrote: > Current plan for OpenPGP:SDK is to have a release out in the summer. > It won't be complete (RSA only for one thing) but it will do what it > does well, with a good test suite and documentation. That's the plan, > anyway! Doesn't the underlying crypto library (openssl, right?) provide you with all the asymmetric algorithms? Why restrict the release to RSA? > Currently working and interoperating with GPG: > - encryption > - decryption > - signature verification > - cleartext signature generation and verification Nice! > In progress: > - signature generation Does this include certification? > To Do: > - Keyring management But that's in the high-level API, isn't it? > - Command line app Is it going to be like pgp/gpg or more ssleay/openssl-eque? Cheers! --=20 Daniel --6sX45UoQRIJXqkqR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQDVAwUBR5Seiq6pEulQFnIMAQJGvwX9FUBSsiEcEpw9F8ZiUpfOrHcTyvCb4yS+ hTLCmTSQwNFux8y/QimmdBpPnaUxEphJh0n7fuA+KeV3AeULi6YH96M0lpEarJ3/ FA5zucCX2Q9iKSjfm4mo9kiEqt+UXhSAp1sJXsrDncktDP7RKlO3m6O/zBOBk9jY xSngsvGg7M7SqSQWecO9ehjykleDamG5k9SnPozqLZLMiOwPkG+WEEoMHoU8+k2Q 48d0kIz0CIYu3s+PbXcyBpx+uKNdSm1G =vYb/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6sX45UoQRIJXqkqR-- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0LDQg6D020953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:26:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0LDQgQt020952; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:26:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.epointsystem.org (120.156-228-195.hosting.adatpark.hu [195.228.156.120]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0LDQeUp020943 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:26:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nagydani@epointsystem.org) Received: by mail.epointsystem.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 804B9495F; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:24:37 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:24:37 +0100 To: "Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman" Cc: Rachel Willmer , ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Face to face meeting in Cozumel? Message-ID: <20080121132437.GA3065@epointsystem.org> References: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> <5cd112870801210500s10eebe3ex531836adf099cc49@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 11:16:55AM -0200, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman wrote: > On 1/21/08, Rachel Willmer wrote: > > Current plan for OpenPGP:SDK is to have a release out in the summer. >=20 > Great! I really am looking forward to a library. I'm currently using > GPGME for my Apache's mod_openpgp module. Actually, OpenCDK (on top of gcrypt) is quite useful; I have an apache module myself that is using that (mod_payment for pay-per-view stuff). Now that the GnuTLS folks decided to maintain OpenCDK again, it might be a viable alternative to OpenPGP:SDK. The nice thing about the latter is that it uses openssl for crypto, which is installed everywhere anyway. So I am still very much looking forward to its release. --=20 Daniel --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQDVAwUBR5SdFK6pEulQFnIMAQJJwQX9ECTwKkwwb6SBUeXDdLT9EzEBQfpQcyBR fHDxDMPa0CrMuFWyWteMxjQLCECJ57/uch1xqzt0wSvsMKGkAEwrv8jdiseI9nlL t6U6VLtBU5anIy+08VETEWmwvOaxE37Bnw9tRZSWq5sDnLa/B+azHpBv6jf9qaa6 HhNvPahkPRQmxHY9iK/sHraP8ov00CqGXTiJLdahTG/7OaJHkYDdySPzLhu8DbcU MSxJK+vu2QeMJutXb5Xx5sWlIVEmVdNI =EjQj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ-- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0LDGxlF020118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:16:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0LDGxF2020117; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:16:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0LDGuYH020105 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:16:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from buanzo@buanzo.com.ar) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c10so1015681nfd.24 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:16:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.184.2 with SMTP id h2mr8974181huf.27.1200921415058; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:16:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.192.2 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:16:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:16:55 -0200 From: "Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman" To: "Rachel Willmer" Subject: Re: Face to face meeting in Cozumel? Cc: "Daniel A. Nagy" , ietf-openpgp@imc.org In-Reply-To: <5cd112870801210500s10eebe3ex531836adf099cc49@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> <5cd112870801210500s10eebe3ex531836adf099cc49@mail.gmail.com> Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On 1/21/08, Rachel Willmer wrote: > Current plan for OpenPGP:SDK is to have a release out in the summer. Great! I really am looking forward to a library. I'm currently using GPGME for my Apache's mod_openpgp module. 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Rachel Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0LD0Put018326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:00:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0LD0PmF018325; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:00:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.157]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0LD0NwX018317 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:00:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rwillmer@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 22so1869674fge.26 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:00:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=o10CePMFeVsTBs64uflUZ2CMiZMSXSmysEfz9fTzH0k=; b=a011OJPGIGKbYm3njj/ALK8fxxVSAAnTs3mSj56rMY4gOfk6LbD0aCf+ytqyJzRidvOGoPEe9DV1MlX5MXGRPcdwGB/KQq6Zosy8JLlOVZNPH7c5ObaTei7AErECcbryruBQSSWCOidWevStPW1EgcomKiqSzquS+p6u89Rp6mU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pio1j8ErvZge5VXp6oarf4zbU/uDSmxPSCVpbQYUAapAccFT2XM2RHLVFTzgyCu3pBBBxuHJqXjxajK4lqtecOLOkpP330z8usp30yscz/eJ9DTC8oBz2YV9h4WeLkKRhGB5CcswG3AXlzgCkFjHia1eE2JzTKNm361Xku3TUzc= Received: by 10.86.84.5 with SMTP id h5mr6412048fgb.75.1200920422280; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:00:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.28.3 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:00:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5cd112870801210500s10eebe3ex531836adf099cc49@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:00:22 +0000 From: "Rachel Willmer" To: "Daniel A. Nagy" , ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Face to face meeting in Cozumel? In-Reply-To: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: > - C library development. Currently, we have an orphaned(?) OpenCDK and an > incomplete OpenPGP:SDK. A native C library would open the door for > efficient, usable libraries for other languages (Perl, Python, Ruby, > PHP, etc.), so I feel that this is very important. I am counting on Ben > Laurie's participation for this one. Current plan for OpenPGP:SDK is to have a release out in the summer. It won't be complete (RSA only for one thing) but it will do what it does well, with a good test suite and documentation. That's the plan, anyway! Currently working and interoperating with GPG: - encryption - decryption - signature verification - cleartext signature generation and verification In progress: - signature generation To Do: - Keyring management - Command line app Rachel Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0LCoE3m017304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:50:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0LCoEXY017303; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:50:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.155]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0LCoCx9017296 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:50:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rwillmer@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 22so1868012fge.26 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 04:50:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Byn8JFuL/abKGfpwGnwKWqeteNCfJQFcbFKReYMsf4g=; b=GB1eyY/JEMPO7lbCTywJa8OdquJuWWnXHHUUOB5CYnkAvsEoLnN/EdmT2oJb6TQ/xQz2jwhNTYsWkq8BC8inTHonF23wjvfUg7kHxsnRjhwEPsfk2qRo3osYT6V7/9PXi4FwEMKn/J+mOAJdN65yTnn3lDIflp3o39oM3mE0o6E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gBpsFfvn36MxxixymzU3gLqsK8xtJMDc8NpWf3EHIzQhLHZZqOJ0FmhAjc7yzvihVs3mAUGmPjXGiVLebjJ0kVJoENB8vrUq4heSC+K6R/zoDw/3mKJT0i3/gysASFnSn/fZsXrIcGQDg82CRkF4O/9eMGwT9QUeIhauIMQ+zzI= Received: by 10.86.1.1 with SMTP id 1mr6444394fga.2.1200919811321; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 04:50:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.28.3 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 04:50:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5cd112870801210450u547790hbf4a98918f37427a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:50:11 +0000 From: "Rachel Willmer" To: "Daniel A. Nagy" , ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Face to face meeting in Cozumel? In-Reply-To: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On 17/01/2008, Daniel A. Nagy wrote: > Dear WG, > > I have noticed, that several active members of the WG are going to attend > FC2008 in Cozumel, Mexico. > > Would you be interested in an informal meeting to discuss some > OpenPGP-related issues face to face? A restaurant or a lounge in the hotel > would be my preferred location. > > As for myself, I would like to discuss the following (in this order of > importance): > > - C library development. Currently, we have an orphaned(?) OpenCDK and an > incomplete OpenPGP:SDK. A native C library would open the door for > efficient, usable libraries for other languages (Perl, Python, Ruby, > PHP, etc.), so I feel that this is very important. I am counting on Ben > Laurie's participation for this one. > > - Reference implementations, test vectors. > > - Exotic signature types and their possible uses, semantics (timestamp, > notarization, standalone, etc.). > > - Forward secrecy > > Perhaps, others might have other topics that could benefit from face-to-face > discussion. > > Cheers, > > -- > Daniel > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > iQDVAwUBR49gva6pEulQFnIMAQJb1QX/RayunUWsw+TKH8ouiea4nKz7Emi/JIEn > DvkLncKNoUY8KoNEdVQcIniT9WGr7Ll5qL228nPKFa6SFS9R5gQXt6xbBb6oBNGs > WxOw+ACsXXncnjY8P0thDE1MW6ckUtCW7wjAe2EvsLyUlu/5f68sbnjacfYk1Vv0 > oWs+JLSldfToJXgad36gIgJ+u0I+rru/IDocJfKukHiBhnhSwBw73NdseS4KiS6y > vc68tos/1Vc7GCmJKocLiCucAvAZ/A1f > =hfuA > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0KI7afd043519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:07:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0KI7aCR043518; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:07:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from finney.org (226-132.adsl2.netlojix.net [207.71.226.132]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0KI7YvX043501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:07:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hal@finney.org) Received: by finney.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 9591814F6BC; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:47:39 -0800 (PST) To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Rechartering the OpenPGP WG Message-Id: <20080120174739.9591814F6BC@finney.org> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:47:39 -0800 (PST) From: hal@finney.org ("Hal Finney") Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: > > * Elliptic Curve / Suite B Crypto I should mention that our lead SDK developer, Andrey Jivsov, and I have been working on a draft proposal for Elliptic Curve and Suite B support - we should have something to offer soon. Hal Finney PGP Corporation Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0K0VA6F078637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:31:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0K0VA6N078636; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:31:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from goten.sonance.net (goten.sonance.net [88.198.58.135] (may be forged)) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0K0V7Tu078581 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:31:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from iang@systemics.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 714FC57C05; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 01:37:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from goten.sonance.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (goten.sonance.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jFxVpoFUCBe1; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 01:37:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from zhukov.local (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85DFB57B06; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 01:37:35 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <47929629.8060507@systemics.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 01:30:33 +0100 From: Ian G User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Derek Atkins CC: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Rechartering the OpenPGP WG References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Derek Atkins wrote: > 3) You have a working item topic that you'd like the WG to handle > but you're not working on a draft yet but would like to get > someone to work on. Following is an unfinished list I started when this thread popped up a few months back: * picking a future SHA? SHA3? * message digest agility? * simplification of packets * deprecation of old modes * Certificate Authority signing * revocation over signature * distribution of revocation (one keyservers, all?, CRLs, blocks) * Keyring standard data layout * message concatonation (RW + BL) * stream cipher mode (Dani) It might at least jog someone's memory, apologies as I don't have the time to think about it right now. iang Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0JGmAam043487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:48:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0JGmACN043486; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:48:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0JGm9kl043478 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:48:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.jabberwocky.com (c-75-69-177-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [75.69.177.157]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id m0JGm0u00579; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:48:00 -0500 Received: from 132.sub-70-200-88.myvzw.com (132.sub-70-200-88.myvzw.com [70.200.88.132]) (authenticated bits=0) by walrus.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0JGleem015015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:47:51 -0500 Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org, gergely+rfid@risko.hu Message-Id: <40E831AA-F5AB-4A0A-90E2-885DB66E1343@jabberwocky.com> From: David Shaw To: "Daniel A. Nagy" In-Reply-To: <20080119075752.GA5922@epointsystem.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Revocability semantics Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:45:07 -0500 References: <20080117134152.GA2858@epointsystem.org> <20080117134910.GC2858@epointsystem.org> <00C4EED8-228F-4A01-95D5-8400A0131BF8@callas.org> <20080119012817.GC9591@jabberwocky.com> <20080119075752.GA5922@epointsystem.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Jan 19, 2008, at 2:57 AM, Daniel A. Nagy wrote: > David seems to be right about the fact that currently, there is no > distinction between key-revokers and certification revokers. > However, since > this functionality is not it wide use yet, I would suggest to make the > following somewhat backwards-compatible change: The revocation key > subpacket > authorizes revocations only for the subject of the certificate in > which it > has been included. Thus, if it is a certificate directly on a key, > it allows > the designated revoker to revoke the key. If it is in a key-uid > binding > certificate, it allows the designated revoker to revoke that > particular > key-uid binding. I would be okay with this. Putting the designated revoker subpacket in the certificate to indicate that it may be designated-revoked quite neatly gives the issuer the power to choose, which is what I was concerned about earlier. > Alternatively, we could add a new subpacket type with this > semantics, and leave 5.2.3.15 as it is. Obviously, I'm okay with that as well. A mild benefit for plan "A" is a great deal of flexibility, as the issuer could choose on a per-certificate basis which should be designated-revokable or not. It would tend to make certificates a bit larger, though, as they'd have to carry a designated-revoker subpacket. David Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0JBDSFL019047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 19 Jan 2008 04:13:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0JBDS4j019046; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 04:13:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from yxa.extundo.com (yxa.extundo.com [83.241.177.38]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0JBDN4V019039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 04:13:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from simon@josefsson.org) Received: from mocca.josefsson.org (yxa.extundo.com [83.241.177.38]) (authenticated bits=0) by yxa.extundo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m0JBDAnb001008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:13:11 +0100 From: Simon Josefsson To: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Face to face meeting in Cozumel? References: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> <87bq7kbee0.fsf@mocca.josefsson.org> <20080117205902.GC30234@epointsystem.org> OpenPGP: id=B565716F; url=http://josefsson.org/key.txt X-Hashcash: 1:22:080119:nagydani@epointsystem.org::FvIqHiSyilibfnMA:16Xc X-Hashcash: 1:22:080119:ietf-openpgp@imc.org::Il/osXWoH0VaWhJk:bEZ/ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:13:10 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20080117205902.GC30234@epointsystem.org> (Daniel A. Nagy's message of "Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:59:03 +0100") Message-ID: <874pdaxe49.fsf@mocca.josefsson.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=4.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on yxa-iv X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on yxa.extundo.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) writes: > On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 05:33:43PM +0100, Simon Josefsson wrote: >> nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) writes: >> >> > - C library development. Currently, we have an orphaned(?) OpenCDK and an >> >> I'm not going to be in Cozumel. In response to the '(?)', OpenCDK has >> recently been updated (the 0.6.x series) after a long period of minimal >> maintainance. We are moving towards a LGPL version of libopencdk, which >> was included in the core GnuTLS library git repository just a few days >> ago. > > Good to know! Thank you for the update. Do you have a homepage? How about > API documentation? None exist online as far as I know, but Timo would know for sure. The code is documented, so it is easy to generate API documentation. I placed the latest generated HTML online at: http://josefsson.org/gnutls/manual/opencdk/opencdk-api.html Generating it using Doxygen or GTK-DOC instead, to yield nicer formatting etc, shouldn't be too hard. > I have been using OpenCDK for several projects at ePoint System, but seeing > it abandoned, I considered switching to OpenPGP:SDK, which, unfortunately, > is not up to the task yet. GnuTLS uses OpenCDK and Nikos has been quite active in working on it recently, to make it implement the latest OpenPGP-in-TLS RFC. > I strongly believe that having a widely used C library for common OpenPGP > functionality would be great for the wider acceptance and use of the standard. > It is very good to hear that OpenCDK is supported again! Right. /Simon Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0J8AmDU006398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:10:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0J8Am8Y006396; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:10:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from thetis.deor.org (thetis.deor.org [207.106.86.210]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0J8AlQp006389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:10:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rabbi@abditum.com) Received: by thetis.deor.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 215F84505B; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:10:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thetis.deor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D16448019; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:10:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:10:46 -0800 (PST) From: Len Sassaman X-X-Sender: rabbi@thetis.deor.org To: David Shaw Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Rechartering the OpenPGP WG In-Reply-To: <20080119010931.GB9591@jabberwocky.com> Message-ID: References: <20080119010931.GB9591@jabberwocky.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Fri, 18 Jan 2008, David Shaw wrote: > * V5 keys > * Changing/adding to the default / MUST-implement symmetric cipher > * Changing/adding to the default / MUST-implement hash algorithm > > V5 keys might be the easiest way to get extended fingerprints or a > different default cipher, as it neatly removes the > backwards-compatibility issues. This is true even if V5 is defined as > identical to V4 except for the version number. It would be nice if we had fingerprints read from left-right for the hash of the key; this was apparently the original intention in PGP 3, and someone got the direction wrong. ;) (So if we're redefining fingerprints for v5, and could fix this with minimum of fuss, it would be nice.) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0J89Dcm006259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:09:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0J89D0e006258; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:09:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from thetis.deor.org (thetis.deor.org [207.106.86.210]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0J89CI9006250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:09:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rabbi@abditum.com) Received: by thetis.deor.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 72B3E45055; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:09:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thetis.deor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CBAA48027; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:09:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:09:11 -0800 (PST) From: Len Sassaman X-X-Sender: rabbi@thetis.deor.org To: David Shaw Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Rechartering the OpenPGP WG In-Reply-To: <20080118020509.GA4808@jabberwocky.com> Message-ID: References: <20080118020509.GA4808@jabberwocky.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Thu, 17 Jan 2008, David Shaw wrote: > I have the Camellia draft (new one coming in a few days - thanks to > everyone for all the comments), and Len Sassaman mentioned Whirlpool. > If the charter can be written that way, I think a good addition would > be a general statement about adding (or rejecting) new algorithms as > they come up. Yep, I'm working on the Whirlpool draft; I've been held up with some conference submissions, etc., but having a line-item for possible new hashs considered would be nice. Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0J7xo4h005769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:59:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0J7xo4J005768; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:59:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.epointsystem.org (120.156-228-195.hosting.adatpark.hu [195.228.156.120]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0J7xmEf005760 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:59:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nagydani@epointsystem.org) Received: by mail.epointsystem.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 76F7E3D45; Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:57:52 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:57:52 +0100 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Cc: gergely+rfid@risko.hu Subject: Re: Revocability semantics Message-ID: <20080119075752.GA5922@epointsystem.org> References: <20080117134152.GA2858@epointsystem.org> <20080117134910.GC2858@epointsystem.org> <00C4EED8-228F-4A01-95D5-8400A0131BF8@callas.org> <20080119012817.GC9591@jabberwocky.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080119012817.GC9591@jabberwocky.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I did some more thinking over the issue of revocations and looked into the source code of GPG to see what it does. For one thing, key-uid and key-attribute binding revocations are exactly identical to certifications, except for the signature type (0x30 instead of 0x10..0x13). It does not revoke any particular certification sig., but the binding itself, like a negative assertion: "I certify that this uid/attribute DOES NOT belong to the owner of this key". David seems to be right about the fact that currently, there is no distinction between key-revokers and certification revokers. However, since this functionality is not it wide use yet, I would suggest to make the following somewhat backwards-compatible change: The revocation key subpacket authorizes revocations only for the subject of the certificate in which it has been included. Thus, if it is a certificate directly on a key, it allows the designated revoker to revoke the key. If it is in a key-uid binding certificate, it allows the designated revoker to revoke that particular key-uid binding. Alternatively, we could add a new subpacket type with this semantics, and leave 5.2.3.15 as it is. As for the revocability bit (as defined in 5.2.3.12), it only refers to the author of the certification, being a committment by the signer. The standard seems to be pretty clear about that. Its wording, however, makes one wonder= =20 HOW signatures can be revoked, since the rest of the standard talks only about revocations of keys and key-attribute/key-uid bindings, but not signatures as such. I'd think, it merits some more discussion. As for my own itch, I am increasingly confident that I will implement IOU notes as attributes, much like photo IDs. Regards, --=20 Daniel --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQDVAwUBR5Gtf66pEulQFnIMAQLdMwYAoEnQm9dVZUx6LH5P9c4/uBkXbFEFptXp CnbWUGFvY2+plyO2k1k5+M168I6NU5QMcVIFX6OwKjLhytBH2iI0Ar66SUxh3Vcs nES7lEjSljvfdY8wByIhKw1Kr56LKA9QYQENVtpi7H2nX0eNdai9vHeyxjZgXaUS L6sC8GO425qBt5g6/uwbFiO3PsNfD+x/0dzvkKM8zcrHFAEmJ3uSTYp6FbbDO6GW IVs1lCQMbfM/kLEN6jGj6SsK0L4uPCpx =H1rN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g-- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0J1STka085418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:28:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0J1STLQ085417; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:28:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0J1SSdY085411 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:28:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.jabberwocky.com (c-75-69-177-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [75.69.177.157]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id m0J1SRu29872 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:28:27 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0J1SNDt008033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:28:23 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0J1SMu8009872 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:28:22 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id m0J1SIKd009871 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:28:18 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:28:17 -0500 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Revocability semantics Message-ID: <20080119012817.GC9591@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: <20080117134152.GA2858@epointsystem.org> <20080117134910.GC2858@epointsystem.org> <00C4EED8-228F-4A01-95D5-8400A0131BF8@callas.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <00C4EED8-228F-4A01-95D5-8400A0131BF8@callas.org> OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-05-20) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 02:44:47PM -0800, Jon Callas wrote: > > The context is the implementation of IOU notes as self-signatures on > > PGP > > public keys, so that the PKS infrastructure can be used for their > > dissemination (and, thus, for credit reputation tracking). More on > > this at > > the upcoming FC2008, in Cozumel. ;-) > > I think you're splitting hairs in a delightful way. > > David Shaw describes the way I always considered it. Non-revocable was > always supposed to be non-revocable. However, as I've said many times, > OpenPGP is far more syntactic than semantic. Designated revokers have always seemed a bit messy to me. The spec allows for things like Alice revoking signatures issued by Baker on Charlie's key (Alice being Baker's designated revoker). In practice, nobody has ever actually implemented that. All implementations that I know of allow Alice to revoke Baker's key and that's it. If we go down that path, I'd rather see Daniel's desired semantics implemented using notations or new subpackets, rather than add further meaning to designated revokers and the non-revocable tag. Actually, I'd go even further and suggest at some point in the future (hey - a WG item!) we split the current notion of designated revokers in pieces. Users can grant the designated revoker exactly what powers (or combination thereof) they choose to. One ability is to revoke signatures. Another is to revoke keys. Note that I'm not against the "designed revoker revoking signatures" concept. I just don't want the "you can revoke my signatures" ability inextricably tied to the "you can revoke my key" ability. They're really not the same. David Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0J19d0j084154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:09:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0J19dLX084153; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:09:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0J19cvr084147 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:09:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.jabberwocky.com (c-75-69-177-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [75.69.177.157]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id m0J19bu29786 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:09:37 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0J19WEj007917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:09:32 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0J19WcN009775 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:09:32 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id m0J19WWO009774 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:09:32 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:09:31 -0500 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Rechartering the OpenPGP WG Message-ID: <20080119010931.GB9591@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-05-20) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 02:44:43PM -0800, Jon Callas wrote: > > > > > > > Please respond in the next week so I can collect the responses > > and work on an updated WG Charter. > > > > Here's some things I think should be put on the table: > > * PFS > * New symmetric ciphers, e.g. Camillia > * Elliptic Curve / Suite B Crypto > * AHS support > * Exotic Signatures (Dan Nagy mentioned this) > * Extended Fingerprints > * OpenPGP/MIME improvements > > I'm sure there are others I may have forgotten. Not being on that list > doesn't mean that I think it should be excluded. Also, being on that > list only means we will discuss or create drafts. We might decide that > discussion doesn't get to a draft, or draft doesn't get to RFC. If > something isn't in the charter, we won't discuss it. So being in the > charter only means a willingness to discuss. Indeed, and in that light, I'd like to add to the list: * V5 keys * Changing/adding to the default / MUST-implement symmetric cipher * Changing/adding to the default / MUST-implement hash algorithm V5 keys might be the easiest way to get extended fingerprints or a different default cipher, as it neatly removes the backwards-compatibility issues. This is true even if V5 is defined as identical to V4 except for the version number. David Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0INgkcN077942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:42:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0INgkPx077941; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:42:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from yancy.b70.net (yancy.pkiclue.com [209.172.115.117]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0INgjoj077927 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:42:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rodney@canola-jones.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by yancy.b70.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08900 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:43:18 -0800 Message-ID: <47913972.8050101@canola-jones.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:42:42 -0800 From: Rodney Thayer User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Rechartering the OpenPGP WG References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Jon Callas wrote: > >> Please respond in the next week so I can collect the responses >> and work on an updated WG Charter. > > > Here's some things I think should be put on the table: > > * PFS > * New symmetric ciphers, e.g. Camillia > * Elliptic Curve / Suite B Crypto > * AHS support > * Exotic Signatures (Dan Nagy mentioned this) > * Extended Fingerprints > * OpenPGP/MIME improvements Something on the order of that list, I agree. P.s. for those who care we had a discussion about Elliptic Curve over on the openssl list recently. The point being I agree with the work item and I think others would too. > > I'm sure there are others I may have forgotten. Not being on that list > doesn't mean that I think it should be excluded. Also, being on that > list only means we will discuss or create drafts. We might decide that > discussion doesn't get to a draft, or draft doesn't get to RFC. If > something isn't in the charter, we won't discuss it. So being in the > charter only means a willingness to discuss. concur... Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0IMmPS0072830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:48:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0IMmPAW072829; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:48:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [66.93.68.160]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0IMmOl6072816 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:48:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jon@callas.org) Received: from keys.merrymeet.com (keys.merrymeet.com [66.93.68.161]) (Authenticated sender: jon) by merrymeet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F38C3C0B848 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:48:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from titania.pgp.com ([63.251.255.205]) by keys.merrymeet.com (PGP Universal service); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:48:24 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.merrymeet.com on Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:48:24 -0800 Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org, ietf-smime@imc.org, tls@ietf.org Message-Id: <8798292F-A7B6-4ACB-8142-4407A3EA6F31@callas.org> From: Jon Callas To: Peter Gutmann In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Public-key distribution via HTTP Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:48:21 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-PGP-Encoding-Format: Partitioned X-PGP-Encoding-Version: 2.0.2 X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Jan 12, 2008, at 12:17 AM, Peter Gutmann wrote: > > Don't be mislead by the title (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4387.txt), > it was > published under the auspices of PKIX but it's really "a simple, fairly > universal means of publishing your public key via HTTP". The CACert > folks > have set up a Wiki page to cover implementation info, feedback, and > comments: > http://wiki.cacert.org/wiki/RFC4387. > I like it. The only complaint that I have is that the OpenPGP attributes are a bit behind the times. I would like to see it updated for 4880 and generalized. I think there are some similar issues for X.509, too. (Actual technical details -- a key fingerprint there is defined to be a binary 160 bits. It ought to be a string because we very well may come up with a generic way to compute a fingerprint with an arbitrary hash. Given that a fingerprint in this context is really just a database retrieval handle (note the way I skillfully avoid the word "key"), having it be just text is a good thing. Also, in 4880, we deprecate the old-style keys. In the new-style keys, a key ID is just a truncation of a fingerprint.) Jon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Universal 2.6.3 Charset: US-ASCII wj8DBQFHkSy4sTedWZOD3gYRAvR4AKDIg9jHBkbd4LYrq7Zy4Gb8SCCnvACfVutc jGcjwQd2l6LQ0nEj8sjJo1w= =Nn4m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0IMimBv072598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:44:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0IMimX4072597; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:44:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [66.93.68.160]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0IMijoL072581 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:44:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jon@callas.org) Received: from keys.merrymeet.com (keys.merrymeet.com [66.93.68.161]) (Authenticated sender: jon) by merrymeet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E3C9C0B7E3 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:44:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from titania.pgp.com ([63.251.255.205]) by keys.merrymeet.com (PGP Universal service); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:44:45 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.merrymeet.com on Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:44:45 -0800 Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Message-Id: From: Jon Callas To: Derek Atkins In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Rechartering the OpenPGP WG Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:44:43 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-PGP-Encoding-Format: Partitioned X-PGP-Encoding-Version: 2.0.2 X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > > Please respond in the next week so I can collect the responses > and work on an updated WG Charter. > Here's some things I think should be put on the table: * PFS * New symmetric ciphers, e.g. Camillia * Elliptic Curve / Suite B Crypto * AHS support * Exotic Signatures (Dan Nagy mentioned this) * Extended Fingerprints * OpenPGP/MIME improvements I'm sure there are others I may have forgotten. Not being on that list doesn't mean that I think it should be excluded. Also, being on that list only means we will discuss or create drafts. We might decide that discussion doesn't get to a draft, or draft doesn't get to RFC. If something isn't in the charter, we won't discuss it. So being in the charter only means a willingness to discuss. Jon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Universal 2.6.3 Charset: US-ASCII wj8DBQFHkSvdsTedWZOD3gYRAlyTAKC9EisEqMBYp19ea1PtgfFnJRJ/wwCfb07Y +3CUL9o5c15rBUCzx5x9d70= =fvLq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0IMim9t072596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:44:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0IMimX8072595; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:44:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [66.93.68.160]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0IMil1b072587 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:44:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jon@callas.org) Received: from keys.merrymeet.com (keys.merrymeet.com [66.93.68.161]) (Authenticated sender: jon) by merrymeet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2CE6C0B7E6 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:44:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from titania.pgp.com ([63.251.255.205]) by keys.merrymeet.com (PGP Universal service); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:44:47 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.merrymeet.com on Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:44:47 -0800 Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Message-Id: <00C4EED8-228F-4A01-95D5-8400A0131BF8@callas.org> From: Jon Callas To: "Daniel A. Nagy" In-Reply-To: <20080117134910.GC2858@epointsystem.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Revocability semantics Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:44:47 -0800 References: <20080117134152.GA2858@epointsystem.org> <20080117134910.GC2858@epointsystem.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-PGP-Encoding-Format: Partitioned X-PGP-Encoding-Version: 2.0.2 X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > > The context is the implementation of IOU notes as self-signatures on > PGP > public keys, so that the PKS infrastructure can be used for their > dissemination (and, thus, for credit reputation tracking). More on > this at > the upcoming FC2008, in Cozumel. ;-) I think you're splitting hairs in a delightful way. David Shaw describes the way I always considered it. Non-revocable was always supposed to be non-revocable. However, as I've said many times, OpenPGP is far more syntactic than semantic. On the other hand, if you're building some private system where you implement those semantics, and genuinely don't care if (e.g.) my product doesn't agree with those semantics, then go right ahead. Jon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Universal 2.6.3 Charset: US-ASCII wj8DBQFHkSvfsTedWZOD3gYRAjoEAKDZSdFg9zWeG0OX3dovY2hUhMG4oACfcGO2 qtz1+tY8O/r60I+E2iUb8dk= =Jm7j -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0IMZcLR072003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:35:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0IMZcV6072002; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:35:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from merrymeet.com (merrymeet.com [66.93.68.160]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0IMZb2j071995 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:35:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jon@callas.org) Received: from keys.merrymeet.com (keys.merrymeet.com [66.93.68.161]) (Authenticated sender: jon) by merrymeet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C9AC0B761 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:35:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from titania.pgp.com ([63.251.255.205]) by keys.merrymeet.com (PGP Universal service); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:35:37 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by keys.merrymeet.com on Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:35:37 -0800 Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Message-Id: <1BE63331-D650-4E1A-8BED-89F597CBB936@callas.org> From: Jon Callas To: "Daniel A. Nagy" In-Reply-To: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Face to face meeting in Cozumel? Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:35:35 -0800 References: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-PGP-Encoding-Format: Partitioned X-PGP-Encoding-Version: 2.0.2 X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-PGP-Universal-Saved-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > I have noticed, that several active members of the WG are going to > attend > FC2008 in Cozumel, Mexico. > > Would you be interested in an informal meeting to discuss some > OpenPGP-related issues face to face? A restaurant or a lounge in the > hotel > would be my preferred location. > It might be just you and me, but sure! Jon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Universal 2.6.3 Charset: US-ASCII wj8DBQFHkSm5sTedWZOD3gYRAvajAJwOwLsEDhVme3bwvWBEH1TQlM2rkwCgtct+ 64SzuO8iMbHlCHcbklOBK7s= =nCkQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0IKRkNp062615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:27:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0IKRkSf062614; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:27:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0IKRjdT062607 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:27:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.jabberwocky.com (c-75-69-177-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [75.69.177.157]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id m0IKRhu28771 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:27:43 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0IKRc9M005911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:27:38 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0IKRbLN009096 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:27:38 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id m0IKRb2H009095 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:27:37 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:27:29 -0500 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Revocability semantics Message-ID: <20080118202729.GA9019@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: <20080117134152.GA2858@epointsystem.org> <20080117134910.GC2858@epointsystem.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080117134910.GC2858@epointsystem.org> OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-05-20) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 02:49:10PM +0100, Daniel A. Nagy wrote: > Dear WG, > > I am pretty sure that my interpretation of the standard is correct, but I > would like to > a) have it confirmed and > b) make it known to other implementers > > The Revoacble flag as specified by RFC4880, Section 5.2.3.12, when set to 0, > only forbids revocation by the issuer, but not by other revokers. > > In particular, if a revocation key (5.2.3.15) is present in addition to the > above flag, it means that the designated revoker is allowed to revoke the > certificate, but the issuer is not. Unless I misunderstand what you are suggesting, I think my reading of the standard says otherwise. Specifically, if the revocable flag is set to 'no', that means nobody (be they the issuer or designated revoker) can revoke. Take this scenario: Alice has a key and sets Baker and Charlie as designated revokers. If revokers other than the issuer were allowed to revoke signatures marked as irrevocable, then Baker could revoke Charlie's designated revoker status. For that matter, Baker could revoke his *own* designated revoker status. David Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0IER32m029485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:27:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0IER35t029484; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:27:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp3.hushmail.com (smtp3.hushmail.com [65.39.178.135]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0IER2ER029477 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:27:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vedaal@hush.com) Received: from smtp3.hushmail.com (localhost.hush.com [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.hushmail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E1F645C030 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:27:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailserver6.hushmail.com (mailserver6.hushmail.com [65.39.178.56]) by smtp3.hushmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:27:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mailserver6.hushmail.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id 1EA2215803C; Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:27:00 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:26:59 -0500 To: Cc: Subject: Re: Rechartering the OpenPGP WG From: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-Id: <20080118142700.1EA2215803C@mailserver6.hushmail.com> Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:45:39 -0500 Derek Atkins wrote: >Happy New Year everyone. >please pipe up if: >3) You have a working item topic that you'd like the WG to handle > but you're not working on a draft yet but would like to get > someone to work on. as Daniel mentioned exotic signature types, specifically in reference to non-repudiation, maybe it would make sense to allow people to have the opposite end of the spectrum too, and revisit the issue of deniable authentication (specifically the Ian Brown and Adam Back proposal of signing the session key, rather than the plaintext, or some variant of that, that might be easier to implement) ;-) -- Self Storage Options - Click Here. http://tagline.hushmail.com/fc/Ioyw6h4eNgRidOPCcCBClAL9OtGdbCvYGKnLdk8bOqyK73tz7Ee4GH/ vedaal Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0I25IsL070206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:05:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0I25Igf070205; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:05:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foobar.cs.jhu.edu (foobar.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.173]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0I25Ha2070199 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:05:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from walrus.jabberwocky.com (c-75-69-177-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [75.69.177.157]) by foobar.cs.jhu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id m0I25Fu24301 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:05:15 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (grover.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0I25AEP027543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:05:10 -0500 Received: from grover.jabberwocky.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0I25AU6005253 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:05:10 -0500 Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by grover.jabberwocky.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id m0I25911005252 for ietf-openpgp@imc.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:05:09 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:05:09 -0500 From: David Shaw To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Rechartering the OpenPGP WG Message-ID: <20080118020509.GA4808@jabberwocky.com> Mail-Followup-To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: OpenPGP: id=99242560; url=http://www.jabberwocky.com/david/keys.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-05-20) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 12:45:39PM -0500, Derek Atkins wrote: > > Happy New Year everyone. > > At the IETF in Vancouver last month Sam Hartman said that he'd > welcome a rechartering discussion to allow us to continue to > work. So before I start writing up a charter and milestones, > please pipe up if: > > 1) You are working on a draft that you think should be in the WG > 2) You are thinking of working on a draft in the near future > that you think should be in the WG > 3) You have a working item topic that you'd like the WG to handle > but you're not working on a draft yet but would like to get > someone to work on. > > Obviously #1 and #2 take significant precedence over #3. In > addition, please provide time estimates for how much work > you suspect the draft will take (so we can set up appropriate > WG milestones). > > Please respond in the next week so I can collect the responses > and work on an updated WG Charter. I have the Camellia draft (new one coming in a few days - thanks to everyone for all the comments), and Len Sassaman mentioned Whirlpool. If the charter can be written that way, I think a good addition would be a general statement about adding (or rejecting) new algorithms as they come up. David Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0HL0ubL047102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:00:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0HL0uiH047101; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:00:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.epointsystem.org (120.156-228-195.hosting.adatpark.hu [195.228.156.120]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0HL0sAT047093 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:00:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nagydani@epointsystem.org) Received: by mail.epointsystem.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7ED2F3D69; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:59:03 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:59:03 +0100 To: Simon Josefsson Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Face to face meeting in Cozumel? Message-ID: <20080117205902.GC30234@epointsystem.org> References: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> <87bq7kbee0.fsf@mocca.josefsson.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VrqPEDrXMn8OVzN4" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87bq7kbee0.fsf@mocca.josefsson.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: --VrqPEDrXMn8OVzN4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 05:33:43PM +0100, Simon Josefsson wrote: > nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) writes: >=20 > > - C library development. Currently, we have an orphaned(?) OpenCDK and = an >=20 > I'm not going to be in Cozumel. In response to the '(?)', OpenCDK has > recently been updated (the 0.6.x series) after a long period of minimal > maintainance. We are moving towards a LGPL version of libopencdk, which > was included in the core GnuTLS library git repository just a few days > ago. Good to know! Thank you for the update. Do you have a homepage? How about API documentation? I have been using OpenCDK for several projects at ePoint System, but seeing it abandoned, I considered switching to OpenPGP:SDK, which, unfortunately, is not up to the task yet. I strongly believe that having a widely used C library for common OpenPGP functionality would be great for the wider acceptance and use of the standa= rd. It is very good to hear that OpenCDK is supported again! Cheers, --=20 Daniel --VrqPEDrXMn8OVzN4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQDVAwUBR4/Bla6pEulQFnIMAQIC7AX/SRP0LplxxIPP2yL4HBYp5bNSnauKxyIK ESuJC2SOmYq1QybJ6phdAc+1QEc18sLFK/99P+jSnR2BtPJgzNpE7MmlHHCJahe2 XnWWmI+Nsf5BQmhwToGeyfg+GWWYmsK9xaz7Y8C5OpkrYKhjaXC+CRO+CQLyPAmy 0kMMNEUkwnYjUo7H5YBkISmYHsl4LqTwW8VaHYzLrCkQISMKo0Kx3erWLC+69ekl eRyOltYCQGiZ/NWYd9dcpxYC5jAe8d12 =8i+H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VrqPEDrXMn8OVzN4-- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0HInThI033266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:49:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0HInToD033265; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:49:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from yxa.extundo.com (yxa.extundo.com [83.241.177.38]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0HInP4a033255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:49:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from simon@josefsson.org) Received: from mocca.josefsson.org (yxa.extundo.com [83.241.177.38]) (authenticated bits=0) by yxa.extundo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m0HIn92w013967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:49:12 +0100 From: Simon Josefsson To: Derek Atkins Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Rechartering the OpenPGP WG References: OpenPGP: id=B565716F; url=http://josefsson.org/key.txt X-Hashcash: 1:22:080117:derek@ihtfp.com::QgsO+Um8Kg7Q/EwG:Aw3/ X-Hashcash: 1:22:080117:ietf-openpgp@imc.org::OsFrDD+1cAdHd3As:EgUg Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:49:09 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Derek Atkins's message of "Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:45:39 -0500") Message-ID: <87ejcg47a2.fsf@mocca.josefsson.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on yxa.extundo.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: I'm interested in seeing the OpenPGP mail header draft published, but we need help to finish it. I recall that there were some comments on the ABNF schema and I don't have the ABNF expertize or time available to look into it. What's missing is properly specifying the OpenPGP: header to be compatible with RFC 2822 style ABNF in particular wrt proper whitespace handling. The current draft is at: http://josefsson.org/openpgp-header/ The other open issue is PGP/MIME vs inline PGP "supports" header. The earlier discussion wasn't productive, and my conclusion was that there is no consensus on how PGP signed e-mail should look like that is worth writing into the document. I strongly think that supporting anything but PGP/MIME is broken, but others seems to have equally strong opposite opinions. I would suggest to drop this part of the specification, it is only mentioned as an open issue right now. /Simon Derek Atkins writes: > Happy New Year everyone. > > At the IETF in Vancouver last month Sam Hartman said that he'd > welcome a rechartering discussion to allow us to continue to > work. So before I start writing up a charter and milestones, > please pipe up if: > > 1) You are working on a draft that you think should be in the WG > 2) You are thinking of working on a draft in the near future > that you think should be in the WG > 3) You have a working item topic that you'd like the WG to handle > but you're not working on a draft yet but would like to get > someone to work on. > > Obviously #1 and #2 take significant precedence over #3. In > addition, please provide time estimates for how much work > you suspect the draft will take (so we can set up appropriate > WG milestones). > > Please respond in the next week so I can collect the responses > and work on an updated WG Charter. > > NOTE: If you do not respond then your idea will not be included > in the charter. If I hear nothing then the WG will just be closed, > which means you'll actually need to physically attend IETFs > to get a new WG chartered. > > I look forward to hearing from you. > > -derek, your friendly neighborhood working group chair > -- > Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 > derek@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com > Computer and Internet Security Consultant Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0HHoh5H026540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:50:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0HHohlF026539; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:50:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from goten.sonance.net (goten.sonance.net [88.198.58.135]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0HHoeYm026522 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:50:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from iang@systemics.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2032157C00; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:57:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from goten.sonance.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (goten.sonance.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gasJiaOIB7Jr; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:57:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from zhukov.local (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by goten.sonance.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACFF657BEC; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:57:31 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <478F9568.9080600@systemics.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:50:32 +0100 From: Ian G User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman" CC: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Face to face meeting in Cozumel? References: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> <87bq7kbee0.fsf@mocca.josefsson.org> <478F86BF.3000906@buanzo.com.ar> In-Reply-To: <478F86BF.3000906@buanzo.com.ar> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman wrote: > ... the my OpenPGP Session Management > for HTTP (Firefox/Apache) Que es? iang Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0HHjfbx026135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:45:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0HHjfsO026134; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:45:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ihtfp.org (MAIL.IHTFP.ORG [204.107.200.6]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0HHjelJ026126 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:45:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from derek@ihtfp.com) Received: from pgpdev.ihtfp.org (c-76-109-52-251.hsd1.fl.comcast.net [76.109.52.251]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cliodev.ihtfp.com", Issuer "IHTFP Consulting Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by mail.ihtfp.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B18BD8569 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:45:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from warlord@localhost) by pgpdev.ihtfp.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id m0HHjdVN024047; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:45:39 -0500 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Rechartering the OpenPGP WG From: Derek Atkins Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:45:39 -0500 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Happy New Year everyone. At the IETF in Vancouver last month Sam Hartman said that he'd welcome a rechartering discussion to allow us to continue to work. So before I start writing up a charter and milestones, please pipe up if: 1) You are working on a draft that you think should be in the WG 2) You are thinking of working on a draft in the near future that you think should be in the WG 3) You have a working item topic that you'd like the WG to handle but you're not working on a draft yet but would like to get someone to work on. Obviously #1 and #2 take significant precedence over #3. In addition, please provide time estimates for how much work you suspect the draft will take (so we can set up appropriate WG milestones). Please respond in the next week so I can collect the responses and work on an updated WG Charter. NOTE: If you do not respond then your idea will not be included in the charter. If I hear nothing then the WG will just be closed, which means you'll actually need to physically attend IETFs to get a new WG chartered. I look forward to hearing from you. -derek, your friendly neighborhood working group chair -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0HHdeaJ025684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:39:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0HHdeB6025683; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:39:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.ihtfp.org (MAIL.IHTFP.ORG [204.107.200.6]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0HHddw9025677 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:39:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from derek@ihtfp.com) Received: from pgpdev.ihtfp.org (c-76-109-52-251.hsd1.fl.comcast.net [76.109.52.251]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cliodev.ihtfp.com", Issuer "IHTFP Consulting Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by mail.ihtfp.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 443CBBD8569; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:39:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from warlord@localhost) by pgpdev.ihtfp.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id m0HHdZm3024030; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:39:35 -0500 To: "Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman" Cc: Simon Josefsson , "Daniel A. Nagy" , ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Face to face meeting in Cozumel? References: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> <87bq7kbee0.fsf@mocca.josefsson.org> <478F86BF.3000906@buanzo.com.ar> From: Derek Atkins Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:39:35 -0500 In-Reply-To: <478F86BF.3000906@buanzo.com.ar> (Arturo Busleiman's message of "Thu\, 17 Jan 2008 14\:47\:59 -0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: "Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman" writes: > I'd love to attend, specially now that the my OpenPGP Session Management for HTTP (Firefox/Apache) > is complete, but sorry :( I'm afraid I wont be in Cozumel, either. -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0HGm4xr021316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:48:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0HGm4rJ021315; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:48:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.241]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0HGm43e021308 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:48:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from buanzo@buanzo.com.ar) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c23so161578anc.44 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:48:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.139.20 with SMTP id m20mr4758838and.102.1200588483591; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:48:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.10.0.4? ( [201.235.164.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c28sm3795311anc.32.2008.01.17.08.48.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:48:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <478F86BF.3000906@buanzo.com.ar> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:47:59 -0200 From: "Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman" Organization: GNU/Buanzo User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071022) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Simon Josefsson CC: "Daniel A. Nagy" , ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Face to face meeting in Cozumel? References: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> <87bq7kbee0.fsf@mocca.josefsson.org> In-Reply-To: <87bq7kbee0.fsf@mocca.josefsson.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 OpenPGP: id=6857704D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 I'd love to attend, specially now that the my OpenPGP Session Management for HTTP (Firefox/Apache) is complete, but sorry :( - -- Arturo "Buanzo" Busleiman The Charlie Protas Project is on its way Independent Security Consultant - SANS - OISSG http://www.buanzo.com.ar/pro/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHj4a/AlpOsGhXcE0RCpIeAJ9CMD/GlnpDdsG4f6UdRJEh8fcHawCePMEA 2VmQciHhGp8rvkdRGKdfx4g= =AjSK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0HGY3Vw020229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:34:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0HGY3sS020228; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:34:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from yxa.extundo.com (yxa.extundo.com [83.241.177.38]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0HGY03w020211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:34:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from simon@josefsson.org) Received: from mocca.josefsson.org (yxa.extundo.com [83.241.177.38]) (authenticated bits=0) by yxa.extundo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id m0HGXhtB032185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:33:44 +0100 From: Simon Josefsson To: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Face to face meeting in Cozumel? References: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> OpenPGP: id=B565716F; url=http://josefsson.org/key.txt X-Hashcash: 1:22:080117:ietf-openpgp@imc.org::NS9j3t7tny1JXSCT:6hOM X-Hashcash: 1:22:080117:nagydani@epointsystem.org::txce55616FHJZWE/:C7l4 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:33:43 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> (Daniel A. Nagy's message of "Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:05:50 +0100") Message-ID: <87bq7kbee0.fsf@mocca.josefsson.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=4.0 tests=SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on yxa-iv X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on yxa.extundo.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) writes: > - C library development. Currently, we have an orphaned(?) OpenCDK and an I'm not going to be in Cozumel. In response to the '(?)', OpenCDK has recently been updated (the 0.6.x series) after a long period of minimal maintainance. We are moving towards a LGPL version of libopencdk, which was included in the core GnuTLS library git repository just a few days ago. /Simon Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0HG9s9a017307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:09:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0HG9sgU017306; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:09:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.links.org (mail.links.org [217.155.92.109]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0HG9oHL017297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:09:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ben@links.org) Received: from [193.133.15.218] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.links.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D78933C21; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:09:49 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <478F7DD5.2050607@links.org> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:09:57 +0000 From: Ben Laurie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.3) Gecko/20070326 Thunderbird/2.0.0.0 Mnenhy/0.7.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel A. Nagy" CC: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Face to face meeting in Cozumel? References: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> In-Reply-To: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Daniel A. Nagy wrote: > Dear WG, > > I have noticed, that several active members of the WG are going to attend > FC2008 in Cozumel, Mexico. > > Would you be interested in an informal meeting to discuss some > OpenPGP-related issues face to face? A restaurant or a lounge in the hotel > would be my preferred location. > > As for myself, I would like to discuss the following (in this order of > importance): > > - C library development. Currently, we have an orphaned(?) OpenCDK and an > incomplete OpenPGP:SDK. A native C library would open the door for > efficient, usable libraries for other languages (Perl, Python, Ruby, > PHP, etc.), so I feel that this is very important. I am counting on Ben > Laurie's participation for this one. Unfortunately I had to cancel Cozumel because of other commitments. I do welcome the attention to OpenPGP:SDK, which is gradually getting more complete. I'd be happy to find some other opportunity to meet - for example, I am frequently in the Bay Area (next week, for example). Also, I will be at NDSS and ShmooCon. > - Reference implementations, test vectors. +1 > - Exotic signature types and their possible uses, semantics (timestamp, > notarization, standalone, etc.). > > - Forward secrecy My name is on this one, too :-) -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.links.org/ "There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit." - Robert Woodruff Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0HE7h62006287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:07:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0HE7hpw006286; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:07:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.epointsystem.org (120.156-228-195.hosting.adatpark.hu [195.228.156.120]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0HE7eiq006279 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:07:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nagydani@epointsystem.org) Received: by mail.epointsystem.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2CAB03D45; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:05:50 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:05:50 +0100 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Face to face meeting in Cozumel? Message-ID: <20080117140549.GD2858@epointsystem.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hoZxPH4CaxYzWscb" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: --hoZxPH4CaxYzWscb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear WG, I have noticed, that several active members of the WG are going to attend FC2008 in Cozumel, Mexico. Would you be interested in an informal meeting to discuss some OpenPGP-related issues face to face? A restaurant or a lounge in the hotel would be my preferred location. As for myself, I would like to discuss the following (in this order of importance): - C library development. Currently, we have an orphaned(?) OpenCDK and an incomplete OpenPGP:SDK. A native C library would open the door for efficient, usable libraries for other languages (Perl, Python, Ruby, PHP, etc.), so I feel that this is very important. I am counting on Ben Laurie's participation for this one. - Reference implementations, test vectors. - Exotic signature types and their possible uses, semantics (timestamp, notarization, standalone, etc.). - Forward secrecy Perhaps, others might have other topics that could benefit from face-to-face discussion. Cheers, --=20 Daniel --hoZxPH4CaxYzWscb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQDVAwUBR49gva6pEulQFnIMAQJb1QX/RayunUWsw+TKH8ouiea4nKz7Emi/JIEn DvkLncKNoUY8KoNEdVQcIniT9WGr7Ll5qL228nPKFa6SFS9R5gQXt6xbBb6oBNGs WxOw+ACsXXncnjY8P0thDE1MW6ckUtCW7wjAe2EvsLyUlu/5f68sbnjacfYk1Vv0 oWs+JLSldfToJXgad36gIgJ+u0I+rru/IDocJfKukHiBhnhSwBw73NdseS4KiS6y vc68tos/1Vc7GCmJKocLiCucAvAZ/A1f =hfuA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --hoZxPH4CaxYzWscb-- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0HDp3Ma005170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:51:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0HDp3n9005169; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:51:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.epointsystem.org (120.156-228-195.hosting.adatpark.hu [195.228.156.120]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0HDp1df005160 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:51:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nagydani@epointsystem.org) Received: by mail.epointsystem.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C60EC3D55; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:49:10 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:49:10 +0100 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: Revocability semantics Message-ID: <20080117134910.GC2858@epointsystem.org> References: <20080117134152.GA2858@epointsystem.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="iFRdW5/EC4oqxDHL" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080117134152.GA2858@epointsystem.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: nagydani@epointsystem.org (Daniel A. Nagy) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: --iFRdW5/EC4oqxDHL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear WG, I am pretty sure that my interpretation of the standard is correct, but I would like to a) have it confirmed and b) make it known to other implementers The Revoacble flag as specified by RFC4880, Section 5.2.3.12, when set to 0, only forbids revocation by the issuer, but not by other revokers. In particular, if a revocation key (5.2.3.15) is present in addition to the above flag, it means that the designated revoker is allowed to revoke the certificate, but the issuer is not. The context is the implementation of IOU notes as self-signatures on PGP public keys, so that the PKS infrastructure can be used for their dissemination (and, thus, for credit reputation tracking). More on this at the upcoming FC2008, in Cozumel. ;-) --=20 Daniel --iFRdW5/EC4oqxDHL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQDVAwUBR49c1q6pEulQFnIMAQJinAX/YMdlelU8RF64NDQdU/KywxFqdQ2e6BDI x2P3Wt5w8hjaHwm0dIthZIClr+luPEgq5zdyWicDwlMkdBBjGRyH1QMMhaXzz53J i56OCiBeqcsQ2oLI4XH1Us1VZAsEz+qMcrgdp9OkXGcNggcYsrCueB1JILCTx5d/ vKB9mFLQO68H4MWAVh3cOMKfj+CWpsgYd4QEhioOT+KDGvvpiwOJug1FeSaK6oJz HsbQa7GNg/kOq3RwTxnzF0RSQ8xbDQYm =Bnyv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --iFRdW5/EC4oqxDHL-- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0EESIsJ016641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:28:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m0EESItp016639; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:28:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (smtp-bedford.mitre.org [129.83.20.191]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0EESGxb016627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:28:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tmiller@mitre.org) Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0EESFCG023489; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:28:15 -0500 Received: from IMCFE1.MITRE.ORG (imcfe1.mitre.org [129.83.29.3]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0EESFxH023483; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:28:15 -0500 Received: from [208.54.31.98] ([129.83.202.30]) by IMCFE1.MITRE.ORG with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:28:13 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-822858065; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Message-Id: Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org, ietf-smime@imc.org, tls@ietf.org From: "Timothy J. Miller" Subject: Re: Public-key distribution via HTTP Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:27:50 -0600 To: pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz (Peter Gutmann) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2008 14:28:14.0668 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2AD00C0:01C856B9] Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: --Apple-Mail-1-822858065 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Jan 12, 2008, at 2:17 AM, Peter Gutmann wrote: > Someone recently asked on a security list whether there was a > simple way of > putting your public key on a web server based on "a set of goals, > hopefully > sufficiently unambitious, so one knows what one wants to do very > precisely. > Given those, I suspect a decent spec replacing hundreds of pages of > currently > 'standard' and useless mechanism could be crafted in about 10 to 30 > pages)". > My response was "You've just described RFC 4387 :-)". The list > reaction was > that no-one had known until then that this document even existed, > so I'm > posting this to a couple of lists where people might find it useful. > > Don't be mislead by the title (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/ > rfc4387.txt), it was > published under the auspices of PKIX but it's really "a simple, fairly > universal means of publishing your public key via HTTP". The > CACert folks > have set up a Wiki page to cover implementation info, feedback, and > comments: > http://wiki.cacert.org/wiki/RFC4387. > > (Please, no religious arguments over this: If you think it's > useful, implement > it. If not, ignore it). Peter-- Very timely; we were just discussing something essentially like this around my office last week. I see you've got cryptlib support, but are there any other implementations in the pipeline? -- Tim --Apple-Mail-1-822858065 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIHUzCCA2cw ggJPoAMCAQICAgaaMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAMF0xEjAQBgNVBAoTCW1pdHJlLm9yZzEeMBwGA1UE CxMVQ2VydGlmaWNhdGUgQXV0aG9yaXR5MScwJQYDVQQDEx5NSVRSRSBDb3Jwb3JhdGlvbiBQcmlt YXJ5IENBLTEwHhcNMDcwMjI4MTM1MTI0WhcNMDgwODIxMTM1MTI0WjBaMRIwEAYDVQQKEwltaXRy ZS5vcmcxDzANBgNVBAsTBnBlb3BsZTEXMBUGCgmSJomT8ixkAQETB3RtaWxsZXIxGjAYBgNVBAMT EU1pbGxlciBUaW1vdGh5IEouMIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4GNADCBiQKBgQDdpUHmSTmvwH16 KCBA3uXosw5bClu9nThq5kU/869taPaoWotpX1jnucczEnSrAwgBO9Ns7PIOpCtarIIOL2pRyX7e xHs6IqmLY+3o3ew1lNZ5gJWhAiy+DBPGrhgDXkHqFAhLho0TA+09uroEmhCZARC3XZHk3pW8/jUS +lHzLQIDAQABo4G3MIG0MA4GA1UdDwEB/wQEAwIF4DAdBgNVHQ4EFgQUXClSdJbPKPEdSSFG1e6J IelCzrswHwYDVR0jBBgwFoAUh7QPSI1iM0LBLVEaSB7CnrsKsa0wRAYDVR0fBD0wOzA5oDegNYYz aHR0cDovL3d3dy5taXRyZS5vcmcvdGVjaC9taWkvcGtpL2NhMV9taXRyZV9vcmcuY3JsMBwGA1Ud EQQVMBOBEXRtaWxsZXJAbWl0cmUub3JnMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAA4IBAQC6kURYV/MoIAl9Un6n KXJ63Fi7y50uR7+f729M3QU3Em+/Is0XDAQ0oFERQu9kZQx6IQt0UFyTwZfDYmjYYOJAEB/691KS DYBOeu4mzhwASbV7qSrTiDEbFqXupCKKXk5mRD6ECC0os8WF0kEkrUJPdGblBYfjta36hSqC8fOp gvCLE8JNJIbPr3EmbSsApo0aeXtZZk/q8VNOvM/L25Pxb4TGF9puMUZ8nBolr1obM7aaGXmyGm5A voGeZBbsnxG9LX+pRM4AP0S5Ttl1CtKReLX7PU0OVcing9RzC02dRxL8OUz53PYqNcJ0xmiwnPec zCCEYjocKb0dx/U9yMJnMIID5DCCAsygAwIBAgIBBTANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFADBaMRIwEAYDVQQK EwltaXRyZS5vcmcxHjAcBgNVBAsTFUNlcnRpZmljYXRlIEF1dGhvcml0eTEkMCIGA1UEAxMbTUlU UkUgQ29ycG9yYXRpb24gUm9vdCBDQS0xMB4XDTA2MDYwMzE3MTMyMloXDTEyMDYwMzE3MTMyMlow XTESMBAGA1UEChMJbWl0cmUub3JnMR4wHAYDVQQLExVDZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSBBdXRob3JpdHkxJzAl BgNVBAMTHk1JVFJFIENvcnBvcmF0aW9uIFByaW1hcnkgQ0EtMTCCASIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQAD ggEPADCCAQoCggEBAMjwe1ZdEIKoELdLvENnbkbO3mVD54ZX5SjxTzFxhvoqhqSJmLOp32xT7J9K vBapJRbJv1BFdiSUN3O0q8H66nvQqwm1RYe+tTsWSO351FolGrDT9iDRtfWgH60PCKCbABLRsx3i GnEvjOQjeAtMn1AugqQWU3PWZXYy1Grbya+NOytYvu1p60bDFSoSAn4Jojv14lUfWHl8s3kahay8 umLSQibiXdEEX8CrSkaXpOaFOuyM6+wpRw7TybO1Dk4zGAUtn0887QvsMDk6evgN2WxMprkHAGUc JhpI1QXtkfDIl9ukdNiIoM/vdN2QC/+m6b8dA55K5UdlBa9SgRnwapkCAwEAAaOBsTCBrjASBgNV HRMBAf8ECDAGAQH/AgECMA4GA1UdDwEB/wQEAwIBhjAdBgNVHQ4EFgQUh7QPSI1iM0LBLVEaSB7C nrsKsa0wHwYDVR0jBBgwFoAUx3BRANhN/uQB1GiWxT2fmpf+dC8wSAYDVR0fBEEwPzA9oDugOYY3 aHR0cDovL3d3dy5taXRyZS5vcmcvdGVjaC9taWkvcGtpL3Jvb3RjYTFfbWl0cmVfb3JnLmNybDAN BgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFAAOCAQEATW5u664p7N0iAj27Xl/akjdfkSQpaosf6cNyAHu7utCytFfY1WfR NmvnNDGYkqI3XMFOa18SNjiNsMCH+sFQaO+oyDnPiIkEZQvlfGGrRpqIm6j//Fgz85bnf1kAM5I6 1Np7ofCnciRvp9ZB/+u+9i262tgiJPJrvBcqXmgeT9riCc3RPjxqPNmYslOvNLpIifchelJhF7nI ge+7RkAUcTJenj8yKwK0J3+PEpgYRQ+V2C62rnjohuxPgMw/fYoNTOlh3MVl7adwyK1ahPw2a9eO jSWglqoPTaBNeHJqRJZZ6Vi7S55+VAWCfkAqM5m3tUiVzjsp2dFcTJxnYezaoDGCAlQwggJQAgEB MGMwXTESMBAGA1UEChMJbWl0cmUub3JnMR4wHAYDVQQLExVDZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSBBdXRob3JpdHkx JzAlBgNVBAMTHk1JVFJFIENvcnBvcmF0aW9uIFByaW1hcnkgQ0EtMQICBpowCQYFKw4DAhoFAKCC AUcwGAYJKoZIhvcNAQkDMQsGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAcBgkqhkiG9w0BCQUxDxcNMDgwMTE0MTQyNzUx WjAjBgkqhkiG9w0BCQQxFgQUvc+C0Q4AZNFvUraPN2JsSO4suJQwcgYJKwYBBAGCNxAEMWUwYzBd MRIwEAYDVQQKEwltaXRyZS5vcmcxHjAcBgNVBAsTFUNlcnRpZmljYXRlIEF1dGhvcml0eTEnMCUG A1UEAxMeTUlUUkUgQ29ycG9yYXRpb24gUHJpbWFyeSBDQS0xAgIGmjB0BgsqhkiG9w0BCRACCzFl oGMwXTESMBAGA1UEChMJbWl0cmUub3JnMR4wHAYDVQQLExVDZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSBBdXRob3JpdHkx JzAlBgNVBAMTHk1JVFJFIENvcnBvcmF0aW9uIFByaW1hcnkgQ0EtMQICBpowDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEB BQAEgYDRLtpWxksCDiHnml/NHPLNzlLU8CzvO9yOjor8KQzWVu8/lsYuNscji3ZtHoSiNSE2/sX/ qTYYr9Ycc3IleLk1V8kBv2V0FFWhFsiq+UfWwXRUdWmpztUZHiNN5TW/tx2dFrqV78dD59TVfzRB YRoTzZNG+sVK0vTTeoBTg+NvTgAAAAAAAA== --Apple-Mail-1-822858065-- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m0C8HoiH018966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); 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Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:17:41 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from iris.cs.auckland.ac.nz (iris.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.33.152]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53753184B1; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:17:41 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from wintermute01.cs.auckland.ac.nz (wintermute01.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.34.38]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by iris.cs.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 833B319EC0B7; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:17:40 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from pgut001 by wintermute01.cs.auckland.ac.nz with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JDbYi-0005nq-DK; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:17:40 +1300 From: pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz (Peter Gutmann) To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org, ietf-smime@imc.org, tls@ietf.org Subject: Public-key distribution via HTTP Message-Id: Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:17:40 +1300 Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: [CC'd to various lists who might be interested] Someone recently asked on a security list whether there was a simple way of putting your public key on a web server based on "a set of goals, hopefully sufficiently unambitious, so one knows what one wants to do very precisely. Given those, I suspect a decent spec replacing hundreds of pages of currently 'standard' and useless mechanism could be crafted in about 10 to 30 pages)". My response was "You've just described RFC 4387 :-)". The list reaction was that no-one had known until then that this document even existed, so I'm posting this to a couple of lists where people might find it useful. Don't be mislead by the title (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4387.txt), it was published under the auspices of PKIX but it's really "a simple, fairly universal means of publishing your public key via HTTP". The CACert folks have set up a Wiki page to cover implementation info, feedback, and comments: http://wiki.cacert.org/wiki/RFC4387. (Please, no religious arguments over this: If you think it's useful, implement it. If not, ignore it). Peter.