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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 15:18:27 -0700 To: =?UTF-8?Q?J=C4=81nis_Ro=C4=8D=C4=81ns?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Apr 3, 2009, at 2:52 PM, J=C4=81nis Ro=C4=8D=C4=81ns wrote: > Last few days I was trying to understand data encryption and =20 > signing. I am using JAVA to collect data into String from database, =20= > and need to sent them automatically by e-mail in attachment =20 > encrypted and signed. I got them first signed, then encrypted, but =20 > the PGP Desktop finds it only encrypted. To verify, I need to =20 > decrypt, the result is a pgp file again, that now I can verify. But =20= > I believe, that this all i did is wrong, so can you tell me, how to =20= > make the signed and encrypted file fully recognized by PGP desktop? I might not correctly understand the problem, but no one else has =20 spoken up, so I will jump in. I think what is happening is that, by =20 signing and then encrypting, you are not generating exactly the same =20 message format that PGP will when told to sign and encrypt at the =20 same time. What you want is a message with the following structure: [Public-key-encrypted session key] [Session-key-encrypted data: [Literal packet: "Blah blah blah..."] [Signature packet] ] But what you are probably producing is: [Public-key-encrypted session key] [Session-key-encrypted data: [Literal packet: "[Literal packet: "Blah blah blah..."] [Signature packet]" ] ] When PGP unwraps the message, it stops when it encounters the =20 "Literal" packet, and considers that packet's contents to be the body =20= of the message. If for some reason you can't sign and encrypt in the same step, I =20 think you can use gnupg's --no-literal option to tell it not to wrap =20 the contents in a "Literal" packet. Of course this will result in an =20 invalid message unless you are giving it data which is already a =20 properly formed sequence of PGP packets, so it's not the best way to =20 use gnupg in general. You can use gnupg's --list-packets option to list the sequence of =20 packets in a message. (If you do, you will notice some additional =20 packet types in a normal message, which I ignored for simplicity's =20 sake...) From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Mon Apr 6 12:28:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-openpgp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-openpgp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E5B73A6D14 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2009 12:28:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ir3O6j38B8Zh for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2009 12:28:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 941903A6CF1 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2009 12:28:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n36JIHLC033510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 6 Apr 2009 12:18:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n36JIHkx033509; Mon, 6 Apr 2009 12:18:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail-fx0-f177.google.com (mail-fx0-f177.google.com [209.85.220.177]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n36JI5hY033498 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2009 12:18:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from janis.rocans@gmail.com) Received: by fxm25 with SMTP id 25so2082313fxm.10 for ; Mon, 06 Apr 2009 12:18:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=G1IU9tvGc1kYzAi94AUc8P97/SxTqmYGkSeOZA46Pnk=; b=TThygxlp3FBZxtIQl4T3v0W27tmBVz0AZDD+d6RUVWNzN7tNswx9r6F31dwb/uFIbb GdqNaWSvTeKEFxRTNzA0flitmr82hl+nHXlPqbq9XcW24wT/z1pLb4+buna8rnNB93Ro tYBjlPXYJfJvMWE/f98YvLT7tI9VmQuKJYqxA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=wnFVQYleAIHuowUiQOOp2Ota637jXAgEhJlAKywqVpW9sKsI/fUbWiPCNjUVAaU4F+ QZyImFnfJ6TuCq4N30oeeQ/Di0n3CbXRyNrCqqxbkODSSt9YD8zl2PFJIQE/k8HVtU5y g1aqW8qZ9R/xCg15vOrv9YVPKQLelhZJ/GOZw= Received: by 10.204.119.133 with SMTP id z5mr1948628bkq.86.1239045484710; Mon, 06 Apr 2009 12:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.101? (customer-232.53.livas.lv [84.245.232.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y15sm1769159fkd.12.2009.04.06.12.18.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 06 Apr 2009 12:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49DA5569.4050700@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 22:18:01 +0300 From: =?UTF-8?B?SsSBbmlzIFJvxI3EgW5z?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wim Lewis CC: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: openpgp signing encrypting to understand by PGP Desktop. References: <49D6853A.30302@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Thanks, This helped me! I just removed literal data generation from my source and PGP desktop understood it correctly! Wim Lewis wrote: > > On Apr 3, 2009, at 2:52 PM, JÄnis RoÄÄns wrote: >> Last few days I was trying to understand data encryption and signing. >> I am using JAVA to collect data into String from database, and need >> to sent them automatically by e-mail in attachment encrypted and >> signed. I got them first signed, then encrypted, but the PGP Desktop >> finds it only encrypted. To verify, I need to decrypt, the result is >> a pgp file again, that now I can verify. But I believe, that this all >> i did is wrong, so can you tell me, how to make the signed and >> encrypted file fully recognized by PGP desktop? > > I might not correctly understand the problem, but no one else has > spoken up, so I will jump in. I think what is happening is that, by > signing and then encrypting, you are not generating exactly the same > message format that PGP will when told to sign and encrypt at the same > time. > > What you want is a message with the following structure: > > [Public-key-encrypted session key] > [Session-key-encrypted data: > [Literal packet: "Blah blah blah..."] > [Signature packet] ] > > But what you are probably producing is: > > [Public-key-encrypted session key] > [Session-key-encrypted data: > [Literal packet: "[Literal packet: "Blah blah blah..."] > [Signature packet]" ] ] > > When PGP unwraps the message, it stops when it encounters the > "Literal" packet, and considers that packet's contents to be the body > of the message. > > If for some reason you can't sign and encrypt in the same step, I > think you can use gnupg's --no-literal option to tell it not to wrap > the contents in a "Literal" packet. Of course this will result in an > invalid message unless you are giving it data which is already a > properly formed sequence of PGP packets, so it's not the best way to > use gnupg in general. > > You can use gnupg's --list-packets option to list the sequence of > packets in a message. (If you do, you will notice some additional > packet types in a normal message, which I ignored for simplicity's > sake...) > > > > From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Mon Apr 6 12:43:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-openpgp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-openpgp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9FE928C151 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2009 12:43:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WBaI4CL1WS84 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2009 12:43:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8513F28C0CE for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2009 12:43:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n36JVirZ034940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 6 Apr 2009 12:31:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n36JVieC034939; Mon, 6 Apr 2009 12:31:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.154]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n36JVXZm034910 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2009 12:31:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from buanzo@buanzo.com.ar) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so1489688ywm.4 for ; Mon, 06 Apr 2009 12:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.25.11 with SMTP id 11mr1124296agy.14.1239046293481; Mon, 06 Apr 2009 12:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.10.0.4? (193-141-235-201.fibertel.com.ar [201.235.141.193]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm6953818agd.27.2009.04.06.12.31.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 06 Apr 2009 12:31:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49DA5891.9040003@buanzo.com.ar> Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 16:31:29 -0300 From: "Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman" Organization: GNU/Buanzo User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090318) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?UTF-8?B?SsSBbmlzIFJvxI3EgW5z?= CC: Wim Lewis , ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: openpgp signing encrypting to understand by PGP Desktop. 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From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Tue Apr 28 08:11:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-openpgp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-openpgp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB7C63A685F for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:11:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.046 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.046 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jfvU45PFfBdl for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:11:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25933A70EB for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n3SEVV94032877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 28 Apr 2009 07:31:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n3SEVVWU032876; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 07:31:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from relay02.pair.com (relay02.pair.com [209.68.5.16]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n3SEVJHN032855 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 07:31:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dkg@fifthhorseman.net) Received: (qmail 42681 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2009 14:31:18 -0000 Received: from 216.254.116.241 (HELO ?192.168.13.75?) (216.254.116.241) by relay02.pair.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2009 14:31:18 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 216.254.116.241 Message-ID: <49F7135D.1090408@fifthhorseman.net> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:31:57 -0400 From: Daniel Kahn Gillmor User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF OpenPGP Working Group Subject: Preferred Key Server subpacket in non-self-signature? X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 OpenPGP: id=D21739E9 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigE4726979739119440AB6057F" Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigE4726979739119440AB6057F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm trying to understand the preferred key server subpacket [0] and how one might reasonably respect it in an implementation without causing potential for things that are the OpenPGP equivalent of "web bugs", but while still keeping it useful. While looking into this, it occured to me that the RFC doesn't explicitly say that the Preferred Key Server subpacket must only reside on a self-signature. So, what would it mean if the Preferred Key Server subpacket was included in a third-party certification? For example, Alice has an OpenPGP with her User ID "Alice". Bob meets Alice, checks fingerprints, and certifies her User ID with a signature type 0x10. But his signature contains a Preferred Key Server sub-packet that points back to http://bob.example.org/alice Carol imports Alice's key, but wants to be sure that she has the latest updates, revocations, and so forth, so she asks her OpenPGP client (which defaults to using pool.sks-keyservers.net) to refresh from the keyservers. What should Carol's OpenPGP client do in this case? What about in the case where the Preferred Key Server subpacket is on Alice's self-sig? What about two different Preferred Key Server subpackets (one from Alice, one from Bob)? --dkg http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4880#section-5.2.3.18 --------------enigE4726979739119440AB6057F Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBSfcTYczS7ZTSFznpAQKh3w/+KDNoZEx4If2NDnFb5kPaBzPiA5MSnLlv fdapuu8tDQxMJswQXdtmVY4mWPatMeXpTgHkLWYjO57NxC3AzL/MIHrWYBVn/0VL A+77ox7IuGP1PMCy4NXJgQm7BWpV7hW9F9f1fg7DTHqW3UTO4GlfFRoJ4kOIJ+v1 s2o3Gt3BrarO4YwI9PoJ/GbLEAwMVYPv1iosiZ6j6QvB5ehUzpdJfejz3g2v/dFB bWSXZOI3BFVuK+0AjObkqqjLxPYf4dXuebL7jiNL7jfW9WMgw1ihWl5zo249YBNQ P7PVncp/+s86Z/uEzv3FgXo0KVi/uCQ+MaB89hjr5BXaeRWVUwAgVQfLGxd3XB30 vGVRtw7SDGthQ+K2NANUfDO1Sz8Bn8oJEKjRZUPvFLcgrM6xJpCIL4OBIbi+EfFj VR50yjP1nVsaAOkFtE+ABkCZ5tELr92Yy2xzNTAnw8fCs+u474mI/vr5sq2VG9ML 0W0Y6K4+6NcjKX5HbmRtS3zVWpcALUvC6rqizdxQu/kZmmMvc2ZKpykmoAaxHrJR 4Dja4wPQh4XZbKqd5V1krn6eH1OmGDkdM366nQ7Nb7bY0qZqjT9esd1raxiOire9 c7GB5cNu+b9ZHqTe/kihnoDjWpsRidzr/I5EYeByTfwqoD96WFaWxDNuf+rx20es W8/DbA1m9PM= =GdvT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigE4726979739119440AB6057F-- From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Tue Apr 28 09:03:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-openpgp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-openpgp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CC2C28C2AC for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:03:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EXyQXcU1Lde6 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 864A628C27B for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n3SFp25W039038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:51:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n3SFp2s6039036; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:51:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from walrus.jabberwocky.com (walrus.jabberwocky.com [173.9.29.57]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n3SFopCJ039018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:51:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from dshaw.nasuni.net (system178.22.202.65 [65.202.22.178] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by walrus.jabberwocky.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n3SFonY7017226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:50:49 -0400 Cc: IETF OpenPGP Working Group Message-Id: <2D935A27-25F4-4A64-BB3D-45C1B3F2EA75@jabberwocky.com> From: David Shaw To: Daniel Kahn Gillmor In-Reply-To: <49F7135D.1090408@fifthhorseman.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.4) Subject: Re: Preferred Key Server subpacket in non-self-signature? Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:50:48 -0400 References: <49F7135D.1090408@fifthhorseman.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.4) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Apr 28, 2009, at 10:31 AM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > I'm trying to understand the preferred key server subpacket [0] and > how > one might reasonably respect it in an implementation without causing > potential for things that are the OpenPGP equivalent of "web bugs", > but > while still keeping it useful. > > While looking into this, it occured to me that the RFC doesn't > explicitly say that the Preferred Key Server subpacket must only > reside > on a self-signature. So, what would it mean if the Preferred Key > Server > subpacket was included in a third-party certification? I would say it means "Here is how the person who issued that certification wants you to get his key". The same thing applies if the preferred keyserver packet was included on a regular data signature (which GPG supports, by the way). > For example, Alice has an OpenPGP with her User ID "Alice". Bob meets > Alice, checks fingerprints, and certifies her User ID with a signature > type 0x10. But his signature contains a Preferred Key Server sub- > packet > that points back to http://bob.example.org/alice > > Carol imports Alice's key, but wants to be sure that she has the > latest > updates, revocations, and so forth, so she asks her OpenPGP client > (which defaults to using pool.sks-keyservers.net) to refresh from the > keyservers. What should Carol's OpenPGP client do in this case? Her choice, really. Bob has made a statement that he provides his key at a particular address. It's up to Carol (or Carol's client) to decide if she wants to respect that. She may have reasons (web bug behavior) not to follow Bob's statement. If Bob doesn't put his key on keyservers (good luck to Bob, there), then there may be no other way to get the key other than following Bob's statement. Depending on how Carol is calculating the validity of Alice's key, Carol may not need Bob's key at all - after all Bob is just another signature on Alice's key. Unless Carol is doing some sort of trust calculation, and her trust path to Alice runs through Bob, Bob's signature is not really relevant here. > What about in the case where the Preferred Key Server subpacket is on > Alice's self-sig? What about two different Preferred Key Server > subpackets (one from Alice, one from Bob)? If there is a preferred keyserver subpacket on Alice's self-sig, then it was issued by Alice, and the recipient can either follow it or not, as they like. I'm not sure I follow where Bob's subpacket comes in here. David From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Tue Apr 28 09:45:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-openpgp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-openpgp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01FE628C192 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:45:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.822 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.822 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.224, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KTF0c3BUfd9w for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:45:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8566228C101 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:45:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n3SGTatp042561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:29:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n3SGTaHS042560; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:29:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from relay00.pair.com (relay00.pair.com [209.68.5.9]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n3SGTPbc042547 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:29:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dkg@fifthhorseman.net) Received: (qmail 24831 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2009 16:29:24 -0000 Received: from 216.254.116.241 (HELO ?192.168.13.75?) (216.254.116.241) by relay00.pair.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2009 16:29:24 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 216.254.116.241 Message-ID: <49F72F0A.6020809@fifthhorseman.net> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:30:02 -0400 From: Daniel Kahn Gillmor Reply-To: IETF OpenPGP Working Group User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF OpenPGP Working Group Subject: Re: Preferred Key Server subpacket in non-self-signature? References: <49F7135D.1090408@fifthhorseman.net> <2D935A27-25F4-4A64-BB3D-45C1B3F2EA75@jabberwocky.com> In-Reply-To: <2D935A27-25F4-4A64-BB3D-45C1B3F2EA75@jabberwocky.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 OpenPGP: id=D21739E9 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigE21A46F83D26E51F0ECFE6A0" Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigE21A46F83D26E51F0ECFE6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 04/28/2009 11:50 AM, David Shaw wrote: > I would say it means "Here is how the person who issued that > certification wants you to get his key". The same thing applies if the= > preferred keyserver packet was included on a regular data signature > (which GPG supports, by the way). Ah, ok. I was thinking it would refer to where to fetch updates for that particular signature, not for the key. The section reads: This is a URI of a key server that the key holder prefers be used for updates. Note that keys with multiple User IDs can have a preferred key server for each User ID. Note also that since this is a URI, the key server can actually be a copy of the key retrieved by ftp, http, finger, etc. "used for updates" was unclear to me because i was thinking that it meant "to get updates about this signature" rather than "to get updates about the signer's key". Is there a way for the issuer of a signature to provide a place where updates to the signature itself (e.g. revocations, or re-certifications) would be published? I understand that the global keyserver network is normally what you'd use. But i'm trying to work through the context of an organization who wants to also publish all their signature revocations in a known, canonical location (including the revocations of certifications of third-party keys). Maybe this use case is misguided or irrelevant, though. Is it? > Unless > Carol is doing some sort of trust calculation, and her trust path to > Alice runs through Bob, Bob's signature is not really relevant here. > [...] > If there is a preferred keyserver subpacket on Alice's self-sig, then i= t > was issued by Alice, and the recipient can either follow it or not, as > they like. I'm not sure I follow where Bob's subpacket comes in here. OK, my scenario implicitly presumed that Carol trusts Bob to make good certifications, but doesn't know Alice. I should have spelled that out in the first place. While Alice's key/userID has been certified by Bob, Carol wants to make sure that Bob hasn't revoked his certification on Alice's key (and maybe she's concerned that her keyserver is somehow compromised and not producing the correct revocation certificates, or Bob doesn't want to or can't publish his revocation to the public keyservers). The more i think about this, the more the answer seems to be that Bob should run his own keyserver and publish everything there first. But i don't see a way that Bob can indicate "check for revocations and re-certifications at hkp://foo.example.net". This seems like another opportunity for "web bugs"-style shenanigans, though. --dkg --------------enigE21A46F83D26E51F0ECFE6A0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBSfcvD8zS7ZTSFznpAQIjfBAAnU1iJAZqpydNeo9wN/aERTysez5w0BC4 jcIu3E1HbdHNiDyqq89GocsvgkRdDwpLtIYSgCbSJaIaCWLDsl2iCMEFGD5pyMIY 0Cu79eLW1Q2e4JqCkRWq/OrU0XcdQkwtKeaS+cedIjKuRYwY4xL6HwQxjEQ/hgAU 3Yk4hNBdDAW7AoLiVwQhqmUDNw4KCFrIeGXNUkJ4twqXEX7zOg/Zui1m+IIyhcqI a5IiY2FAzol4wsgrew8q34VGUtn+noNJwdaOEk5hcWNH6w8Rd/0fA3yFvpjVc0f9 j07Yh8npUV2ZhV5QlGnKUn95IWhUi4ONs+HUYNmwnJz/5v6hjnNZBHCu9MqEPpJT BpWHTOlAnlWUaEJ2Ds9AZQtI9I6RB5yxf3TosoLmMb4vPBncv5ez/1SiuCSy47ER 61LkvgfHpDEgq7BcecxxmZJwcyAnvYY4B2SqX+jZGMYA08DgWTrm/iUaGUYACKJJ HrMQ4g9ekVsi4jLLa4Nv+0ai1tm0YVv6OM/dTLZVKPhpvNkXF4b60QZHFZki78p5 Ej4/qzMx/Wf/X8+DKBfTvmc2neliNEu+gYx5cBTEPyi/geyF02hwrV71q+w8KkkL /dbq00bLc/cDbuRNA+3EK3fUCXtq9gEZTA1iacoAItkw2Ml7BRdQ7HwOMthTGtbI c5jb2+rRLAU= =tjOH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigE21A46F83D26E51F0ECFE6A0-- From owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Thu Apr 30 15:51:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-openpgp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-openpgp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C87E3A6B8A for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:51:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EXc4ld-Ae0nb for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:51:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 212563A697A for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:51:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n3UMdjKt072207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:39:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n3UMdjOp072206; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:39:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from walrus.jabberwocky.com (walrus.jabberwocky.com [173.9.29.57]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n3UMdWgt072187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:39:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from grover.home.jabberwocky.com (grover.home.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.jabberwocky.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n3UMdW6w015076 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 18:39:32 -0400 Message-Id: <9D828E6C-482D-4AC1-B56F-F3DF3D02E4C7@jabberwocky.com> From: David Shaw To: IETF OpenPGP Working Group Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Subject: New results against SHA-1 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 18:39:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: http://eurocrypt2009rump.cr.yp.to/837a0a8086fa6ca714249409ddfae43d.pdf There is not much hard information yet, but the two big quotes are "SHA-1 collisions now 2^52" and "Practical collisions are within resources of a well funded organisation." David Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n3UMdjKt072207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:39:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n3UMdjOp072206; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:39:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from walrus.jabberwocky.com (walrus.jabberwocky.com [173.9.29.57]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n3UMdWgt072187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:39:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from grover.home.jabberwocky.com (grover.home.jabberwocky.com [172.24.84.28]) by walrus.jabberwocky.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n3UMdW6w015076 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 18:39:32 -0400 Message-Id: <9D828E6C-482D-4AC1-B56F-F3DF3D02E4C7@jabberwocky.com> From: David Shaw To: IETF OpenPGP Working Group Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Subject: New results against SHA-1 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 18:39:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: http://eurocrypt2009rump.cr.yp.to/837a0a8086fa6ca714249409ddfae43d.pdf There is not much hard information yet, but the two big quotes are "SHA-1 collisions now 2^52" and "Practical collisions are within resources of a well funded organisation." David Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n3SGTatp042561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:29:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n3SGTaHS042560; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:29:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from relay00.pair.com (relay00.pair.com [209.68.5.9]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n3SGTPbc042547 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:29:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dkg@fifthhorseman.net) Received: (qmail 24831 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2009 16:29:24 -0000 Received: from 216.254.116.241 (HELO ?192.168.13.75?) (216.254.116.241) by relay00.pair.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2009 16:29:24 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 216.254.116.241 Message-ID: <49F72F0A.6020809@fifthhorseman.net> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:30:02 -0400 From: Daniel Kahn Gillmor Reply-To: IETF OpenPGP Working Group User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF OpenPGP Working Group Subject: Re: Preferred Key Server subpacket in non-self-signature? References: <49F7135D.1090408@fifthhorseman.net> <2D935A27-25F4-4A64-BB3D-45C1B3F2EA75@jabberwocky.com> In-Reply-To: <2D935A27-25F4-4A64-BB3D-45C1B3F2EA75@jabberwocky.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 OpenPGP: id=D21739E9 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigE21A46F83D26E51F0ECFE6A0" Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigE21A46F83D26E51F0ECFE6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 04/28/2009 11:50 AM, David Shaw wrote: > I would say it means "Here is how the person who issued that > certification wants you to get his key". The same thing applies if the= > preferred keyserver packet was included on a regular data signature > (which GPG supports, by the way). Ah, ok. I was thinking it would refer to where to fetch updates for that particular signature, not for the key. The section reads: This is a URI of a key server that the key holder prefers be used for updates. Note that keys with multiple User IDs can have a preferred key server for each User ID. Note also that since this is a URI, the key server can actually be a copy of the key retrieved by ftp, http, finger, etc. "used for updates" was unclear to me because i was thinking that it meant "to get updates about this signature" rather than "to get updates about the signer's key". Is there a way for the issuer of a signature to provide a place where updates to the signature itself (e.g. revocations, or re-certifications) would be published? I understand that the global keyserver network is normally what you'd use. But i'm trying to work through the context of an organization who wants to also publish all their signature revocations in a known, canonical location (including the revocations of certifications of third-party keys). Maybe this use case is misguided or irrelevant, though. Is it? > Unless > Carol is doing some sort of trust calculation, and her trust path to > Alice runs through Bob, Bob's signature is not really relevant here. > [...] > If there is a preferred keyserver subpacket on Alice's self-sig, then i= t > was issued by Alice, and the recipient can either follow it or not, as > they like. I'm not sure I follow where Bob's subpacket comes in here. OK, my scenario implicitly presumed that Carol trusts Bob to make good certifications, but doesn't know Alice. I should have spelled that out in the first place. While Alice's key/userID has been certified by Bob, Carol wants to make sure that Bob hasn't revoked his certification on Alice's key (and maybe she's concerned that her keyserver is somehow compromised and not producing the correct revocation certificates, or Bob doesn't want to or can't publish his revocation to the public keyservers). The more i think about this, the more the answer seems to be that Bob should run his own keyserver and publish everything there first. But i don't see a way that Bob can indicate "check for revocations and re-certifications at hkp://foo.example.net". This seems like another opportunity for "web bugs"-style shenanigans, though. --dkg --------------enigE21A46F83D26E51F0ECFE6A0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBSfcvD8zS7ZTSFznpAQIjfBAAnU1iJAZqpydNeo9wN/aERTysez5w0BC4 jcIu3E1HbdHNiDyqq89GocsvgkRdDwpLtIYSgCbSJaIaCWLDsl2iCMEFGD5pyMIY 0Cu79eLW1Q2e4JqCkRWq/OrU0XcdQkwtKeaS+cedIjKuRYwY4xL6HwQxjEQ/hgAU 3Yk4hNBdDAW7AoLiVwQhqmUDNw4KCFrIeGXNUkJ4twqXEX7zOg/Zui1m+IIyhcqI a5IiY2FAzol4wsgrew8q34VGUtn+noNJwdaOEk5hcWNH6w8Rd/0fA3yFvpjVc0f9 j07Yh8npUV2ZhV5QlGnKUn95IWhUi4ONs+HUYNmwnJz/5v6hjnNZBHCu9MqEPpJT BpWHTOlAnlWUaEJ2Ds9AZQtI9I6RB5yxf3TosoLmMb4vPBncv5ez/1SiuCSy47ER 61LkvgfHpDEgq7BcecxxmZJwcyAnvYY4B2SqX+jZGMYA08DgWTrm/iUaGUYACKJJ HrMQ4g9ekVsi4jLLa4Nv+0ai1tm0YVv6OM/dTLZVKPhpvNkXF4b60QZHFZki78p5 Ej4/qzMx/Wf/X8+DKBfTvmc2neliNEu+gYx5cBTEPyi/geyF02hwrV71q+w8KkkL /dbq00bLc/cDbuRNA+3EK3fUCXtq9gEZTA1iacoAItkw2Ml7BRdQ7HwOMthTGtbI c5jb2+rRLAU= =tjOH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigE21A46F83D26E51F0ECFE6A0-- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n3SFp25W039038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:51:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n3SFp2s6039036; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:51:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from walrus.jabberwocky.com (walrus.jabberwocky.com [173.9.29.57]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n3SFopCJ039018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:51:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dshaw@jabberwocky.com) Received: from dshaw.nasuni.net (system178.22.202.65 [65.202.22.178] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by walrus.jabberwocky.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n3SFonY7017226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:50:49 -0400 Cc: IETF OpenPGP Working Group Message-Id: <2D935A27-25F4-4A64-BB3D-45C1B3F2EA75@jabberwocky.com> From: David Shaw To: Daniel Kahn Gillmor In-Reply-To: <49F7135D.1090408@fifthhorseman.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.4) Subject: Re: Preferred Key Server subpacket in non-self-signature? Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:50:48 -0400 References: <49F7135D.1090408@fifthhorseman.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.4) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Apr 28, 2009, at 10:31 AM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > I'm trying to understand the preferred key server subpacket [0] and > how > one might reasonably respect it in an implementation without causing > potential for things that are the OpenPGP equivalent of "web bugs", > but > while still keeping it useful. > > While looking into this, it occured to me that the RFC doesn't > explicitly say that the Preferred Key Server subpacket must only > reside > on a self-signature. So, what would it mean if the Preferred Key > Server > subpacket was included in a third-party certification? I would say it means "Here is how the person who issued that certification wants you to get his key". The same thing applies if the preferred keyserver packet was included on a regular data signature (which GPG supports, by the way). > For example, Alice has an OpenPGP with her User ID "Alice". Bob meets > Alice, checks fingerprints, and certifies her User ID with a signature > type 0x10. But his signature contains a Preferred Key Server sub- > packet > that points back to http://bob.example.org/alice > > Carol imports Alice's key, but wants to be sure that she has the > latest > updates, revocations, and so forth, so she asks her OpenPGP client > (which defaults to using pool.sks-keyservers.net) to refresh from the > keyservers. What should Carol's OpenPGP client do in this case? Her choice, really. Bob has made a statement that he provides his key at a particular address. It's up to Carol (or Carol's client) to decide if she wants to respect that. She may have reasons (web bug behavior) not to follow Bob's statement. If Bob doesn't put his key on keyservers (good luck to Bob, there), then there may be no other way to get the key other than following Bob's statement. Depending on how Carol is calculating the validity of Alice's key, Carol may not need Bob's key at all - after all Bob is just another signature on Alice's key. Unless Carol is doing some sort of trust calculation, and her trust path to Alice runs through Bob, Bob's signature is not really relevant here. > What about in the case where the Preferred Key Server subpacket is on > Alice's self-sig? What about two different Preferred Key Server > subpackets (one from Alice, one from Bob)? If there is a preferred keyserver subpacket on Alice's self-sig, then it was issued by Alice, and the recipient can either follow it or not, as they like. I'm not sure I follow where Bob's subpacket comes in here. David Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n3SEVV94032877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 28 Apr 2009 07:31:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n3SEVVWU032876; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 07:31:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from relay02.pair.com (relay02.pair.com [209.68.5.16]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n3SEVJHN032855 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 07:31:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dkg@fifthhorseman.net) Received: (qmail 42681 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2009 14:31:18 -0000 Received: from 216.254.116.241 (HELO ?192.168.13.75?) (216.254.116.241) by relay02.pair.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2009 14:31:18 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 216.254.116.241 Message-ID: <49F7135D.1090408@fifthhorseman.net> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:31:57 -0400 From: Daniel Kahn Gillmor User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF OpenPGP Working Group Subject: Preferred Key Server subpacket in non-self-signature? X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 OpenPGP: id=D21739E9 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigE4726979739119440AB6057F" Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigE4726979739119440AB6057F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm trying to understand the preferred key server subpacket [0] and how one might reasonably respect it in an implementation without causing potential for things that are the OpenPGP equivalent of "web bugs", but while still keeping it useful. While looking into this, it occured to me that the RFC doesn't explicitly say that the Preferred Key Server subpacket must only reside on a self-signature. So, what would it mean if the Preferred Key Server subpacket was included in a third-party certification? For example, Alice has an OpenPGP with her User ID "Alice". Bob meets Alice, checks fingerprints, and certifies her User ID with a signature type 0x10. But his signature contains a Preferred Key Server sub-packet that points back to http://bob.example.org/alice Carol imports Alice's key, but wants to be sure that she has the latest updates, revocations, and so forth, so she asks her OpenPGP client (which defaults to using pool.sks-keyservers.net) to refresh from the keyservers. What should Carol's OpenPGP client do in this case? What about in the case where the Preferred Key Server subpacket is on Alice's self-sig? What about two different Preferred Key Server subpackets (one from Alice, one from Bob)? --dkg http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4880#section-5.2.3.18 --------------enigE4726979739119440AB6057F Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBSfcTYczS7ZTSFznpAQKh3w/+KDNoZEx4If2NDnFb5kPaBzPiA5MSnLlv fdapuu8tDQxMJswQXdtmVY4mWPatMeXpTgHkLWYjO57NxC3AzL/MIHrWYBVn/0VL A+77ox7IuGP1PMCy4NXJgQm7BWpV7hW9F9f1fg7DTHqW3UTO4GlfFRoJ4kOIJ+v1 s2o3Gt3BrarO4YwI9PoJ/GbLEAwMVYPv1iosiZ6j6QvB5ehUzpdJfejz3g2v/dFB bWSXZOI3BFVuK+0AjObkqqjLxPYf4dXuebL7jiNL7jfW9WMgw1ihWl5zo249YBNQ P7PVncp/+s86Z/uEzv3FgXo0KVi/uCQ+MaB89hjr5BXaeRWVUwAgVQfLGxd3XB30 vGVRtw7SDGthQ+K2NANUfDO1Sz8Bn8oJEKjRZUPvFLcgrM6xJpCIL4OBIbi+EfFj VR50yjP1nVsaAOkFtE+ABkCZ5tELr92Yy2xzNTAnw8fCs+u474mI/vr5sq2VG9ML 0W0Y6K4+6NcjKX5HbmRtS3zVWpcALUvC6rqizdxQu/kZmmMvc2ZKpykmoAaxHrJR 4Dja4wPQh4XZbKqd5V1krn6eH1OmGDkdM366nQ7Nb7bY0qZqjT9esd1raxiOire9 c7GB5cNu+b9ZHqTe/kihnoDjWpsRidzr/I5EYeByTfwqoD96WFaWxDNuf+rx20es W8/DbA1m9PM= =GdvT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigE4726979739119440AB6057F-- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n36JVirZ034940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 6 Apr 2009 12:31:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n36JVieC034939; Mon, 6 Apr 2009 12:31:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.154]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n36JVXZm034910 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2009 12:31:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from buanzo@buanzo.com.ar) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so1489688ywm.4 for ; Mon, 06 Apr 2009 12:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.25.11 with SMTP id 11mr1124296agy.14.1239046293481; Mon, 06 Apr 2009 12:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.10.0.4? (193-141-235-201.fibertel.com.ar [201.235.141.193]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm6953818agd.27.2009.04.06.12.31.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 06 Apr 2009 12:31:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49DA5891.9040003@buanzo.com.ar> Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 16:31:29 -0300 From: "Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman" Organization: GNU/Buanzo User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090318) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?UTF-8?B?SsSBbmlzIFJvxI3EgW5z?= CC: Wim Lewis , ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: openpgp signing encrypting to understand by PGP Desktop. References: <49D6853A.30302@gmail.com> <49DA5569.4050700@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49DA5569.4050700@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 OpenPGP: id=6857704D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Sorry to hijack the thread... but if there's someone from PGP Inc here, I'd really like to see if it'd be possible to obtain a license for development purposes... I'd like to integrate commercial PGP into my Enigform firefox extension (Secure session management, http request/response signing, etc).... - -- Arturo "Buanzo" Busleiman / Arturo Busleiman @ 4:900/107 Independent Linux and Security Consultant - SANS - OISSG - OWASP http://www.buanzo.com.ar/pro/eng.html Mailing List Archives at http://archiver.mailfighter.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREKAAYFAknaWJEACgkQAlpOsGhXcE1GOwCfcInrleIJzQaIDIIKQKzzAbJN nsAAnRIok3UiDyTwceoOvmX3KldZWoY0 =cpgz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n36JIHLC033510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 6 Apr 2009 12:18:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n36JIHkx033509; Mon, 6 Apr 2009 12:18:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail-fx0-f177.google.com (mail-fx0-f177.google.com [209.85.220.177]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n36JI5hY033498 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 2009 12:18:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from janis.rocans@gmail.com) Received: by fxm25 with SMTP id 25so2082313fxm.10 for ; Mon, 06 Apr 2009 12:18:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=G1IU9tvGc1kYzAi94AUc8P97/SxTqmYGkSeOZA46Pnk=; b=TThygxlp3FBZxtIQl4T3v0W27tmBVz0AZDD+d6RUVWNzN7tNswx9r6F31dwb/uFIbb GdqNaWSvTeKEFxRTNzA0flitmr82hl+nHXlPqbq9XcW24wT/z1pLb4+buna8rnNB93Ro tYBjlPXYJfJvMWE/f98YvLT7tI9VmQuKJYqxA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=wnFVQYleAIHuowUiQOOp2Ota637jXAgEhJlAKywqVpW9sKsI/fUbWiPCNjUVAaU4F+ QZyImFnfJ6TuCq4N30oeeQ/Di0n3CbXRyNrCqqxbkODSSt9YD8zl2PFJIQE/k8HVtU5y g1aqW8qZ9R/xCg15vOrv9YVPKQLelhZJ/GOZw= Received: by 10.204.119.133 with SMTP id z5mr1948628bkq.86.1239045484710; Mon, 06 Apr 2009 12:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.101? (customer-232.53.livas.lv [84.245.232.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y15sm1769159fkd.12.2009.04.06.12.18.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 06 Apr 2009 12:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49DA5569.4050700@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 22:18:01 +0300 From: =?UTF-8?B?SsSBbmlzIFJvxI3EgW5z?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wim Lewis CC: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: Re: openpgp signing encrypting to understand by PGP Desktop. References: <49D6853A.30302@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Thanks, This helped me! I just removed literal data generation from my source and PGP desktop understood it correctly! Wim Lewis wrote: > > On Apr 3, 2009, at 2:52 PM, JÄnis RoÄÄns wrote: >> Last few days I was trying to understand data encryption and signing. >> I am using JAVA to collect data into String from database, and need >> to sent them automatically by e-mail in attachment encrypted and >> signed. I got them first signed, then encrypted, but the PGP Desktop >> finds it only encrypted. To verify, I need to decrypt, the result is >> a pgp file again, that now I can verify. But I believe, that this all >> i did is wrong, so can you tell me, how to make the signed and >> encrypted file fully recognized by PGP desktop? > > I might not correctly understand the problem, but no one else has > spoken up, so I will jump in. I think what is happening is that, by > signing and then encrypting, you are not generating exactly the same > message format that PGP will when told to sign and encrypt at the same > time. > > What you want is a message with the following structure: > > [Public-key-encrypted session key] > [Session-key-encrypted data: > [Literal packet: "Blah blah blah..."] > [Signature packet] ] > > But what you are probably producing is: > > [Public-key-encrypted session key] > [Session-key-encrypted data: > [Literal packet: "[Literal packet: "Blah blah blah..."] > [Signature packet]" ] ] > > When PGP unwraps the message, it stops when it encounters the > "Literal" packet, and considers that packet's contents to be the body > of the message. > > If for some reason you can't sign and encrypt in the same step, I > think you can use gnupg's --no-literal option to tell it not to wrap > the contents in a "Literal" packet. Of course this will result in an > invalid message unless you are giving it data which is already a > properly formed sequence of PGP packets, so it's not the best way to > use gnupg in general. > > You can use gnupg's --list-packets option to list the sequence of > packets in a message. (If you do, you will notice some additional > packet types in a normal message, which I ignored for simplicity's > sake...) > > > > Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n35MHuiH051825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 5 Apr 2009 15:17:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n35MHu1x051824; Sun, 5 Apr 2009 15:17:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from underhill.hhhh.org (underhill.hhhh.org [209.221.140.12]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n35MHheL051811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 5 Apr 2009 15:17:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wiml@hhhh.org) Received: from [IPv6:2001:470:1f01:444:1000::1:1f] (bzzzt.hhhh.org [IPv6:2001:470:1f01:444:1000:0:1:1f]) by underhill.hhhh.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A844A2EDAD8; Sun, 5 Apr 2009 15:14:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49D6853A.30302@gmail.com> References: <49D6853A.30302@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Cc: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Wim Lewis Subject: Re: openpgp signing encrypting to understand by PGP Desktop. Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 15:18:27 -0700 To: =?UTF-8?Q?J=C4=81nis_Ro=C4=8D=C4=81ns?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: On Apr 3, 2009, at 2:52 PM, J=C4=81nis Ro=C4=8D=C4=81ns wrote: > Last few days I was trying to understand data encryption and =20 > signing. I am using JAVA to collect data into String from database, =20= > and need to sent them automatically by e-mail in attachment =20 > encrypted and signed. I got them first signed, then encrypted, but =20 > the PGP Desktop finds it only encrypted. To verify, I need to =20 > decrypt, the result is a pgp file again, that now I can verify. But =20= > I believe, that this all i did is wrong, so can you tell me, how to =20= > make the signed and encrypted file fully recognized by PGP desktop? I might not correctly understand the problem, but no one else has =20 spoken up, so I will jump in. I think what is happening is that, by =20 signing and then encrypting, you are not generating exactly the same =20 message format that PGP will when told to sign and encrypt at the =20 same time. What you want is a message with the following structure: [Public-key-encrypted session key] [Session-key-encrypted data: [Literal packet: "Blah blah blah..."] [Signature packet] ] But what you are probably producing is: [Public-key-encrypted session key] [Session-key-encrypted data: [Literal packet: "[Literal packet: "Blah blah blah..."] [Signature packet]" ] ] When PGP unwraps the message, it stops when it encounters the =20 "Literal" packet, and considers that packet's contents to be the body =20= of the message. If for some reason you can't sign and encrypt in the same step, I =20 think you can use gnupg's --no-literal option to tell it not to wrap =20 the contents in a "Literal" packet. Of course this will result in an =20 invalid message unless you are giving it data which is already a =20 properly formed sequence of PGP packets, so it's not the best way to =20 use gnupg in general. You can use gnupg's --list-packets option to list the sequence of =20 packets in a message. (If you do, you will notice some additional =20 packet types in a normal message, which I ignored for simplicity's =20 sake...) 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([81.198.179.85]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j2sm4268583mue.24.2009.04.03.14.52.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 03 Apr 2009 14:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49D6853A.30302@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 00:52:58 +0300 From: =?UTF-8?B?SsSBbmlzIFJvxI3EgW5z?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-openpgp@imc.org Subject: openpgp signing encrypting to understand by PGP Desktop. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-ietf-openpgp@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Good morning! Last few days I was trying to understand data encryption and signing. I am using JAVA to collect data into String from database, and need to sent them automatically by e-mail in attachment encrypted and signed. I got them first signed, then encrypted, but the PGP Desktop finds it only encrypted. To verify, I need to decrypt, the result is a pgp file again, that now I can verify. But I believe, that this all i did is wrong, so can you tell me, how to make the signed and encrypted file fully recognized by PGP desktop? For newbie it is hard to understand all the things happening in these processes. Thanks a lot, JÄnis RoÄÄns.