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If this conclusion is wrong and there is interest in moving forward, please indicate your willingness to lead the protocol work and co-author a draft *now*. If there are no volunteers, I'll ask that the milestone and deliverable get removed from our charter. Given that we also don't make any progress on the rules language, I would then ask the AD/IESG to close the WG. Thanks, Markus Markus Hofmann wrote: > > Folks, > > with the "SMTP Use Cases" draft bing submitted to IESG for consideration > as informal RFC, it's now time to move ahead to our next milestone, > which is > > "Initial document on OCP/SMTP profile for MTAs, including mechanisms > for tracing and bypass". > > Does anyone believe the use cases draft is appealing enough so that it's > worthwhile to spend time and effort on developing a protocol that will > enable these use cases? > > Who is volunteering to lead the protocol work and co-author a draft? > > Thanks, > Markus From owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Wed Aug 10 01:19:15 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E2izi-0008HW-MD for opes-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 01:19:14 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA06820 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 01:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E2jXj-0001lP-JH for opes-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 01:54:25 -0400 Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7A51SVk023930; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 22:01:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j7A51SU8023929; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 22:01:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.rfburst.com (mail.rfburst.com [66.119.143.51]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7A51RNU023916 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 22:01:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ho@alum.mit.edu) Received: from localhost.localdomain (rfb.rfburst.com [66.119.143.249]) by mail.rfburst.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j7A51Bac009223; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 23:01:12 -0600 Received: from localhost.localdomain (tobermory [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.10/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j7A4wCOk018273; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 22:58:12 -0600 Received: (from ho@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j7A4wCeM018269; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 22:58:12 -0600 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 22:58:12 -0600 Message-Id: <200508100458.j7A4wCeM018269@localhost.localdomain> From: "The Purple Streak, Hilarie Orman" Reply-To: "The Purple Streak, Hilarie Orman" To: hofmann@bell-labs.com Cc: ietf-openproxy@imc.org In-reply-to: Yourmessage <42F94F25.9080608@bell-labs.com> Subject: Rules Language X-esmartscan-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-esmartscan-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: ho@alum.mit.edu Sender: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c With some trepidation, I offer http://www.purplestreak.com/ietf-opes/draft-ietf-opes-rules-language-hopalong-00.txt It is incomplete in several aspects, particularly the detailed grammar, but I think that it gets at the heart of defining a stream processing language for OPES. I had intended to use the Sieve grammar, but in the time I had for this, I couldn't decide if it is worth the trouble of using the funky notation. Comments are, of course, welcome, even more so than no comments. 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This was the initial debate and my call for ONES (open network extended services). At that time I thought OPES were understood as partial ONES and I could not make me understood. Now I understand that the way this WG perceives OPES makes them fully complementary, the OPES being the peripherals of what I name ONES, which are the final services managed by the call-out servers. The confusion we face (I feel) is another point of architecture. The "S" in OPES is for "Services" and I feel we read it as "System". I therefore propose the two layers diagram: Service Intelligent Layer: <---> OPES ONES <---> OPES <---> OPES -------------------------- System end to end Layer: <---> shim call-out server <---> shim <---> shim where final "OPES" applications (services) are provided by the ONES located on call-out servers through local OPES (edge services) via the shim pieces of software. This makes an exciting architecture permitting to aggregate intelligence in the network, the way people need it and do it, but in fully respecting the end to end principle. This results from having actually _two_ end to end connections in parallel, welded at the edge by the OPES: one is transport service, one is intelligent service. This way there is no intelligence "within" the network and no interference with the end to end connectivity, dumb network, protocol on the wire principles. An image would be a power plug, with two wires. Or the ADSL on the telephone wire. The shim (filter+OCP+Hopalong script) system which provides the OPES service could then be located where we need it on the information path. Including on/in/attached to the socket. We came from the "proxy" image. But OPES are on the edge. There is a network edge and a user edge. I submit that we should consider the "shim" on either side of the OPES "virtual smart plug" (male or female side): on the network or/and on the user side (within/related to the socket). I suppose that everything we did fits this scheme? But that it adds a very exciting approach which is the very core of the development of what the users strive for: an intelligent Internet. While keeping an unchanged internet. For example instead of just trying to see how to enhance SMTP in competition with SMTP people, the target is to provide a smart mail system in parallel (not over) of SMTP. This parallel intelligence notion is the key. Up to now, the OSI model proposed a "layers" pile creating complex problems of interference/violation and rising the question of "where is the intelligence layer in the end to end connection". OPESes address the problem: the intelligence is neither in nor on-top of the network layers, it is in parallel (plus probably in what I could call an "intelligence control pannel" between applications and the user where he can control both, an "interapplication" layer encapsulating end to end transport and intelligence: the OPES layer. I submit that we could start from the SMTP cases to see better where shims could be installed (within the whole mail application system) to analyse what is shim, call-out, OPES and ONES oriented, how to manage it through an interapplication layer (relating, for exemple, decisions regarding mail routing sent by the ONES to the OPES, upon inputs of user location/agend program). What is mail/smtp specific. If my idea works we will have a very exciting architecture system. If it does not work we could then close the WG? jfc At 02:49 10/08/2005, Markus Hofmann wrote: >Folks, > >from the silence on the list and the lack of any response, I would >conclude that there is *no* interest in moving forward with actually >defining a OCP/SMTP profile. > >If this conclusion is wrong and there is interest in moving forward, >please indicate your willingness to lead the protocol work and co-author a >draft *now*. > >If there are no volunteers, I'll ask that the milestone and deliverable >get removed from our charter. Given that we also don't make any progress >on the rules language, I would then ask the AD/IESG to close the WG. > >Thanks, > Markus > > >Markus Hofmann wrote: >>Folks, >>with the "SMTP Use Cases" draft bing submitted to IESG for consideration >>as informal RFC, it's now time to move ahead to our next milestone, which is >> "Initial document on OCP/SMTP profile for MTAs, including mechanisms >> for tracing and bypass". >>Does anyone believe the use cases draft is appealing enough so that it's >>worthwhile to spend time and effort on developing a protocol that will >>enable these use cases? >>Who is volunteering to lead the protocol work and co-author a draft? >>Thanks, >> Markus > > --=====================_46311252==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Markus,
I can only repeat that I think the problem of this WG is a lack of architectural vision which makes things exciting. This was the initial debate and my call for ONES (open network extended services). At that time I thought OPES were understood as partial ONES and I could not make me understood. Now I understand that the way this WG perceives OPES makes them fully complementary, the OPES being the peripherals of what I name ONES, which are the final services managed by the call-out servers.

The confusion we face (I feel) is another point of architecture. The "S" in OPES is for "Services" and I feel we read it as "System".

I therefore propose the two layers diagram:

Service Intelligent Layer:
                <---> OPES
ONES            <---> OPES
                <---> OPES 
--------------------------
System end to end Layer:
                <---> shim
call-out server <---> shim
                <---> shim

where final "OPES" applications (services) are provided by the ONES located on call-out servers through local OPES (edge services) via the shim pieces of software. This makes an exciting architecture permitting to aggregate intelligence in the network, the way people need it and do it, but in fully respecting the end to end principle. This results from having actually _two_ end to end connections in parallel, welded at the edge by the OPES: one is transport service, one is intelligent service. This way there is no intelligence "within" the network and no interference with the end to end connectivity, dumb network, protocol on the wire principles. An image would be a power plug, with two wires. Or the ADSL on the telephone wire.

The shim (filter+OCP+Hopalong script) system which provides the OPES service could then be located where we need it on the information path. Including on/in/attached to the socket. We came from the "proxy" image. But OPES are on the edge. There is a network edge and a user edge. I submit that we should consider the "shim" on either side of the OPES "virtual smart plug" (male or female side): on the network or/and on the user side (within/related to the socket).

I suppose that everything we did fits this scheme? But that it adds a very exciting approach which is the very core of the development of what the users strive for: an intelligent Internet. While keeping an unchanged internet.

For example instead of just trying to see how to enhance SMTP in competition with SMTP people, the target is to provide a smart mail system in parallel (not over) of SMTP. This parallel intelligence notion is the key. Up to now, the OSI model proposed a "layers" pile  creating complex problems of interference/violation and rising the question of "where is the intelligence layer in the end to end connection". OPESes address the problem: the intelligence is neither in nor on-top of the network layers, it is in parallel (plus probably in what I could call an "intelligence control pannel" between applications and the user where he can control both, an "interapplication" layer encapsulating end to end transport and intelligence: the OPES layer.

I submit that we could start from the SMTP cases to see better where shims could be installed (within the whole mail application system) to analyse what is shim, call-out, OPES and ONES oriented, how to manage it through an interapplication layer (relating, for exemple, decisions regarding mail routing sent by the ONES to the OPES, upon inputs of user location/agend program). What is mail/smtp specific.

If my idea works we will have a very exciting architecture system. If it does not work we could then close the WG?
jfc


At 02:49 10/08/2005, Markus Hofmann wrote:
Folks,

from the silence on the list and the lack of any response, I would conclude that there is *no* interest in moving forward with actually defining a OCP/SMTP profile.

If this conclusion is wrong and there is interest in moving forward, please indicate your willingness to lead the protocol work and co-author a draft *now*.

If there are no volunteers, I'll ask that the milestone and deliverable get removed from our charter. Given that we also don't make any progress on the rules language, I would then ask the AD/IESG to close the WG.

Thanks,
  Markus


Markus Hofmann wrote:
Folks,
with the "SMTP Use Cases" draft bing submitted to IESG for consideration as informal RFC, it's now time to move ahead to our next milestone, which is
 "Initial document on OCP/SMTP profile for MTAs, including mechanisms
 for tracing and bypass".
Does anyone believe the use cases draft is appealing enough so that it's worthwhile to spend time and effort on developing a protocol that will enable these use cases?
Who is volunteering to lead the protocol work and co-author a draft?
Thanks,
  Markus


--=====================_46311252==.ALT-- From owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Wed Aug 10 05:36:23 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E2n0Z-0000t7-92 for opes-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 05:36:23 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA15977 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 05:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E2nYa-0008Vd-AB for opes-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 06:11:36 -0400 Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7A9KNvK029125; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 02:20:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j7A9KNFN029123; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 02:20:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from salvelinus.brooktrout.com (salvelinus.brooktrout.com [204.176.205.6]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7A9KL08029106; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 02:20:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eburger@brooktrout.com) Received: from ATLANTIS.Brooktrout.com (oceans11.brooktrout.com [204.176.75.121]) by salvelinus.brooktrout.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id j7A9E4AF029331; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 05:14:08 -0400 (EDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: RE: Rules Language Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 05:14:00 -0400 Message-ID: <330A23D8336C0346B5C1A5BB19666647B63E12@ATLANTIS.Brooktrout.com> Thread-Topic: Rules Language Thread-Index: AcWdaL8jy+kXMH27TGubAvutYoyQRwAIjGWg From: "Eric Burger" To: "The Purple Streak, Hilarie Orman" , Cc: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by above.proper.com id j7A9KM08029111 Sender: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0ddefe323dd869ab027dbfff7eff0465 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It would be really, really, really good if we could wrap ourselves around SIEVE. The mobile messaging community wants to be able to do OPES like stuff on content that is streamed out of a server, either by SIP or HTTP. At the same time, the messaging community is looking at SIEVE as a potential solution for message-based sorting, i.e. "kill if Spam Score > 90%" or "send me a page if I get mail from my boss." Being able to use the same language everywhere would be helpful. Note that SIEVE, while created in the SMTP and IMAP milieu, is specifically not tied to any transport mechanism. One of its current shortcomings, or benefits, depending on your point of view, is the management of rules is currently undefined (probably will become a work item somewhere). I would offer that OPES should get SIEVE to do whatever is necessary to update it for streaming. See: http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/sieve-charter.html -----Original Message----- From: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of The Purple Streak, Hilarie Orman Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:58 AM To: hofmann@bell-labs.com Cc: ietf-openproxy@imc.org Subject: Rules Language With some trepidation, I offer http://www.purplestreak.com/ietf-opes/draft-ietf-opes-rules-language-hop along-00.txt It is incomplete in several aspects, particularly the detailed grammar, but I think that it gets at the heart of defining a stream processing language for OPES. I had intended to use the Sieve grammar, but in the time I had for this, I couldn't decide if it is worth the trouble of using the funky notation. Comments are, of course, welcome, even more so than no comments. Hilarie From owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Wed Aug 10 11:12:41 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E2sFv-00056d-NR for opes-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:12:40 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA05125 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E2so2-0001SF-Cu for opes-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:47:51 -0400 Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7AEtxu3041093; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 07:55:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j7AEtx1R041092; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 07:55:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from up-smtp.jnpr.net (ixe-nat1.juniper.net [193.110.54.36]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7AEtwHo041073 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 07:55:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rpenno@juniper.net) Received: from emailemea1.jnpr.net ([172.26.192.140]) by up-smtp.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:55:52 +0100 Received: from pi-smtp.jnpr.net ([10.10.2.36]) by emailemea1.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:55:52 +0100 Received: from proton.jnpr.net ([10.10.2.37]) by pi-smtp.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:55:51 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Rules Language Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:52:55 -0400 Message-ID: <9BD5D7887235424FA97DFC223CAE3C281D2585@proton.jnpr.net> Thread-Topic: Rules Language Thread-Index: AcWda9J8POuN4sqXT66GRPF8dogfiwAT14wO From: "Reinaldo Penno" To: "The Purple Streak, Hilarie Orman" , Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2005 14:55:51.0109 (UTC) FILETIME=[99959750:01C59DBB] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by above.proper.com id j7AEtwHo041087 Sender: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 69a74e02bbee44ab4f8eafdbcedd94a1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Hilarie, that's great. Maybe you can leverage something from SRL? http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2723.txt?number=2723 regards, Reinaldo ________________________________ From: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org on behalf of The Purple Streak, Hilarie Orman Sent: Wed 8/10/2005 12:58 AM To: hofmann@bell-labs.com Cc: ietf-openproxy@imc.org Subject: Rules Language With some trepidation, I offer http://www.purplestreak.com/ietf-opes/draft-ietf-opes-rules-language-hopalong-00.txt It is incomplete in several aspects, particularly the detailed grammar, but I think that it gets at the heart of defining a stream processing language for OPES. I had intended to use the Sieve grammar, but in the time I had for this, I couldn't decide if it is worth the trouble of using the funky notation. Comments are, of course, welcome, even more so than no comments. Hilarie From owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Wed Aug 10 17:26:46 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E2y62-0001Sc-L7 for opes-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:26:46 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA04528 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E2ye9-0006Qr-Oj for opes-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:02:06 -0400 Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7ALAZSd072868; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:10:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j7ALAZvX072867; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:10:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail2.webwasher.com (wwsmtp2.webwasher.com [213.70.80.11]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7ALAW5N072856 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:10:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from martin.stecher@WEBWASHER.com) Received: from mail.WEBWASHER.COM [192.168.0.251] by mail2.webwasher.com id 5PQC7N4G outgoing id 32Y6LLC3; 10 Aug 2005 23:10:20 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6556.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Moving Forward Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:10:21 +0200 Message-ID: <75F7E67FC45F6744A7D328D41E35376D597E56@mail.webwasher.com> Thread-Topic: Moving Forward Thread-Index: AcWdSL3rxuruANVfSV2C2U1v5ZX1WQAgAEqg From: "Martin Stecher" To: "Markus Hofmann" , "OPES Group" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by above.proper.com id j7ALAZ5N072862 Sender: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, I am available for OPES protocol work and willing to act as a co-author for OCP profile drafts. 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All - everyone in agreement with Martin, or does somebody see a need/interest for OCP/SMTP? Thanks, Markus Martin Stecher wrote: > Hi, > > I am available for OPES protocol work and willing to act as a co-author > for OCP profile drafts. > But I am not convinced that OCP/SMTP is the next step. As there seems > to be no other interest in this we should indeed have the open SMTP > milestones to be removed from the charter, for now, IMO. > There is no current OCP/SMTP demand by the industry today. > > In principle I believe that OCP has the ability to act as an universal > protocol agnostig callout protocol and that OCP/SMTP can and should be > done at some time. > > But with the limited resources we have in this group today we must focus > on those adaptations that are of immediate need and use for someone. > There we can proof that OCP is a powerful, application agnostic protocol > with useful and needed protocol profiles. > Only then we can get to first implementations that may then hopefully > cut the Gordian knot we are facing today. > And after that we may be asked to return to OCP/SMTP. > > Regards > Martin > From owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Thu Aug 11 04:43:51 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E38fF-0004yF-LI for opes-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 04:43:51 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA16837 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 04:43:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E39DU-0005dS-Co for opes-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 05:19:15 -0400 Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7B8R6jQ053843; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 01:27:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j7B8R618053842; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 01:27:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.allaboutit.lu (mail.allaboutit.lu [198.22.51.69]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7B8R51c053824 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 01:27:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cperz@allaboutit.lu) Received: from ingate.allaboutit.lu (newgate [83.99.70.94]) by mail.allaboutit.lu (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.1) with ESMTP id j7B8HK5P003706 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:17:29 +0200 Received: from [192.168.100.57] (aai-wsip-57.allaboutit.lu [192.168.100.57]) by ingate.allaboutit.lu (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7B7PlQr010638 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:25:47 +0200 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:26:52 +0200 From: Clemens Perz To: OPES Group Subject: Re: Moving Forward Message-ID: <3063125.1123756012@[192.168.100.57]> In-Reply-To: <42FA98EE.2070903@mhof.com> References: <75F7E67FC45F6744A7D328D41E35376D597E56@mail.webwasher.com> <42FA98EE.2070903@mhof.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.3 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c0bedb65cce30976f0bf60a0a39edea4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, If you are willing to consider the contribution of a complete greenhorn to this Working Group, I would like to work with Martin on the OCP/SMTP draft. I'm not sure if it needs to be on the Charter for that, but it should not be forgotten in any way. My experience is that the people who could benefit from such a standard do not know about the OPES Working Group and the potential it's work creates. While the SMTP threats grow and the search for more flexible infrastructure solutions becomes more hectic, it would be nice to have the phoenix ready in the fire :) The relevance of the OCP/SMTP might be underestimated by us and the markets, because many people do not take their time yet to get the whole picture. Offering a flexible protocol solution could change that very quickly. Cheers, Clemens --On Mittwoch, 10. August 2005 20:16 -0400 Markus Hofmann wrote: > > Martin, > > so what would you propose is the next step after removing OCP/SMTP from > the charter? > > All - everyone in agreement with Martin, or does somebody see a > need/interest for OCP/SMTP? > > Thanks, > Markus > > Martin Stecher wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I am available for OPES protocol work and willing to act as a co-author >> for OCP profile drafts. >> But I am not convinced that OCP/SMTP is the next step. As there seems >> to be no other interest in this we should indeed have the open SMTP >> milestones to be removed from the charter, for now, IMO. >> There is no current OCP/SMTP demand by the industry today. >> >> In principle I believe that OCP has the ability to act as an universal >> protocol agnostig callout protocol and that OCP/SMTP can and should be >> done at some time. >> >> But with the limited resources we have in this group today we must focus >> on those adaptations that are of immediate need and use for someone. >> There we can proof that OCP is a powerful, application agnostic protocol >> with useful and needed protocol profiles. >> Only then we can get to first implementations that may then hopefully >> cut the Gordian knot we are facing today. >> And after that we may be asked to return to OCP/SMTP. >> >> Regards >> Martin >> > From eckhrksomxy@yahoo.com Thu Aug 11 04:53:22 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E38oT-0007BB-U0; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 04:53:22 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA17218; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 04:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host50.foretec.com ([65.246.255.50] helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E39Mk-0005sG-EV; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 05:28:47 -0400 Received: from jol13-1-82-66-174-9.fbx.proxad.net ([82.66.174.9]) by mx2.foretec.com with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1E38oQ-0004Xu-KU; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 04:53:19 -0400 Received: from ajax (ajax [92.26.110.137]) by .ajax.noc.ntua.gr (3.12.9p1/1.12.9) with ESMTP id hATLaiBS089108; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:53:07 +0600 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:44:07 +0100 In-Reply-To: <24731128143048.B6087@.doit.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <27631129233551.K36459@.noc.ntua.gr> References: <20830224173406.A16340@.doit.wisc.edu> From: "Levi Sheets" To: nsis-request@ietf.org Subject: The Best Super Vaigra thV X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 "Ci-ialis Softabs" is better than Pfizer Viiagrra and normal Ci-ialis because: - Guaaraantees 36 hours lasting - Safe to take, no side effects at all - Boost and increase se-xual performance - Haarder e-rectiions and quick recharge - Proven and certified by experts and doctors - only $3.99 per tabs Cllick heree: http://modelled.net/cs/?ronn o-ut of mai-lling lisst: http://modelled.net/rm.php?ronn HzWTts From jjhawes@email.msn.com Thu Aug 11 05:44:40 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E39c7-0001f6-R4; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 05:44:39 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA19702; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 05:44:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host50.foretec.com ([65.246.255.50] helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E3AAM-0007NC-F5; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 06:20:03 -0400 Received: from [58.33.86.115] (helo=email.msn.com) by mx2.foretec.com with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1E39c2-0000oi-KG; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 05:44:35 -0400 Message-ID: <8f9d01c5b668$b1b94410$a9f743ae@jjhawes> From: "leeann morrison" To: "Annelle Garrett" Cc: , , , , Subject: Wal-Mart [NYSE:WMT] 7-11 [NYSE:SE] Prime Time [PRTH] & the AMEX - 375323 Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:35:22 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Score: 4.5 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 08e48e05374109708c00c6208b534009 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Keven, What do Walmart (NYSE:WMT) 7-Eleven (NYSE:SE) Prime Time (PRTH) and the American Stock Exchange have in common? 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I also appreciate your positive view, maybe I got too pessimistic recentl= y. =20 If the group agrees that we should continue with our current milestones, = I am happy to work with you on the OCP/SMTP draft, hoping that Alex will = at least be available to discuss some OCP details, better as co-author. =20 So, what are the others thinking about OCP/SMTP? Should we do this - now? =20 Regards Martin -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht-----=20 Von: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org im Auftrag von Clemens Perz=20 Gesendet: Do 11.08.2005 04:26=20 An: OPES Group=20 Cc:=20 Betreff: Re: Moving Forward =09 =09 Hi, =09 If you are willing to consider the contribution of a complete greenhorn = to this Working Group, I would like to work with Martin on the OCP/SMTP dra= ft. I'm not sure if it needs to be on the Charter for that, but it should no= t be forgotten in any way. =09 My experience is that the people who could benefit from such a standard = do not know about the OPES Working Group and the potential it's work create= s. While the SMTP threats grow and the search for more flexible infrastruct= ure solutions becomes more hectic, it would be nice to have the phoenix read= y in the fire :) =09 The relevance of the OCP/SMTP might be underestimated by us and the markets, because many people do not take their time yet to get the whole picture. Offering a flexible protocol solution could change that very quickly. =09 Cheers, =09 Clemens =09 =09 --On Mittwoch, 10. August 2005 20:16 -0400 Markus Hofmann wrote: =09 > > Martin, > > so what would you propose is the next step after removing OCP/SMTP fro= m > the charter? > > All - everyone in agreement with Martin, or does somebody see a > need/interest for OCP/SMTP? > > Thanks, > Markus > > Martin Stecher wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I am available for OPES protocol work and willing to act as a co-auth= or >> for OCP profile drafts. >> But I am not convinced that OCP/SMTP is the next step. As there seems >> to be no other interest in this we should indeed have the open SMTP >> milestones to be removed from the charter, for now, IMO. >> There is no current OCP/SMTP demand by the industry today. >> >> In principle I believe that OCP has the ability to act as an universa= l >> protocol agnostig callout protocol and that OCP/SMTP can and should b= e >> done at some time. >> >> But with the limited resources we have in this group today we must fo= cus >> on those adaptations that are of immediate need and use for someone. >> There we can proof that OCP is a powerful, application agnostic proto= col >> with useful and needed protocol profiles. >> Only then we can get to first implementations that may then hopefully >> cut the Gordian knot we are facing today. >> And after that we may be asked to return to OCP/SMTP. >> >> Regards >> Martin >> > =09 =09 =09 From owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Thu Aug 11 17:05:21 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E3KEp-0003uv-T2 for opes-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:05:21 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA27406 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E3Kn7-0000L4-Io for opes-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:40:52 -0400 Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7BKlGtL012480; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:47:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j7BKlGrt012479; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:47:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from winserver.com (ftp.catinthebox.net [208.247.131.9]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with SMTP id j7BKlFhe012473 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:47:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hsantos@santronics.com) Received: by winserver.com (Wildcat! SMTP Router v6.1.451.5) for ietf-openproxy@imc.org; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:49:25 -0400 Received: from ([65.10.37.75]) EHLO=hdev1 by winserver.com (Wildcat! SMTP v6.1.451.5) with SMTP id 3250429891; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:49:24 -0400 Message-ID: <008001c59eb5$8621d300$6401a8c0@hdev1> From: "Hector Santos" To: "Martin Stecher" , "Clemens Perz" , "OPES Group" References: <75F7E67FC45F6744A7D328D41E35376D597E5A@mail.webwasher.com> Subject: Re: Moving Forward Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:44:47 -0400 Organization: Santronics Software, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Utf-8" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by above.proper.com id j7BKlGtL012480 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a1852b4f554b02e7e4548cc7928acc1f Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Martin, I think OCP/SMTP is the next logical direction. -- Hector Santos, Santronics Software, Inc. http://www.santronics.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Stecher" To: "Clemens Perz" ; "OPES Group" Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 3:48 PM Subject: RE: Moving Forward Hi Clemens, every active participant is more than welcome. I also appreciate your positive view, maybe I got too pessimistic recentl= y. If the group agrees that we should continue with our current milestones, = I am happy to work with you on the OCP/SMTP draft, hoping that Alex will at least be available to discuss some OCP details, better as co-author. So, what are the others thinking about OCP/SMTP? Should we do this - now? Regards Martin -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org im Auftrag von Clemens Perz Gesendet: Do 11.08.2005 04:26 An: OPES Group Cc: Betreff: Re: Moving Forward Hi, If you are willing to consider the contribution of a complete greenhorn = to this Working Group, I would like to work with Martin on the OCP/SMTP dra= ft. I'm not sure if it needs to be on the Charter for that, but it should no= t be forgotten in any way. My experience is that the people who could benefit from such a standard = do not know about the OPES Working Group and the potential it's work create= s. While the SMTP threats grow and the search for more flexible infrastruct= ure solutions becomes more hectic, it would be nice to have the phoenix read= y in the fire :) The relevance of the OCP/SMTP might be underestimated by us and the markets, because many people do not take their time yet to get the whole picture. Offering a flexible protocol solution could change that very quickly. Cheers, Clemens --On Mittwoch, 10. August 2005 20:16 -0400 Markus Hofmann wrote: > > Martin, > > so what would you propose is the next step after removing OCP/SMTP fro= m > the charter? > > All - everyone in agreement with Martin, or does somebody see a > need/interest for OCP/SMTP? > > Thanks, > Markus > > Martin Stecher wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I am available for OPES protocol work and willing to act as a co-auth= or >> for OCP profile drafts. >> But I am not convinced that OCP/SMTP is the next step. As there seems >> to be no other interest in this we should indeed have the open SMTP >> milestones to be removed from the charter, for now, IMO. >> There is no current OCP/SMTP demand by the industry today. >> >> In principle I believe that OCP has the ability to act as an universa= l >> protocol agnostig callout protocol and that OCP/SMTP can and should b= e >> done at some time. >> >> But with the limited resources we have in this group today we must fo= cus >> on those adaptations that are of immediate need and use for someone. >> There we can proof that OCP is a powerful, application agnostic proto= col >> with useful and needed protocol profiles. >> Only then we can get to first implementations that may then hopefully >> cut the Gordian knot we are facing today. >> And after that we may be asked to return to OCP/SMTP. >> >> Regards >> Martin >> > From owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Fri Aug 12 07:20:42 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E3Xac-00055V-RA for opes-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:20:42 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA16555 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E3Y93-0005o1-UP for opes-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:56:22 -0400 Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7CB4fPW094679; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 04:04:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j7CB4f42094678; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 04:04:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.202.59]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7CB4f6b094665 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 04:04:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from markus@mhof.com) Received: from [10.0.0.103] (pcp04238594pcs.eatntn01.nj.comcast.net[68.83.187.201]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with ESMTP id <2005081211043501400lbkj2e>; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:04:35 +0000 Message-ID: <42FC8244.8050408@mhof.com> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:04:36 -0400 From: Markus Hofmann User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: OPES Group Subject: Re: Moving Forward References: <75F7E67FC45F6744A7D328D41E35376D597E5A@mail.webwasher.com> In-Reply-To: <75F7E67FC45F6744A7D328D41E35376D597E5A@mail.webwasher.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by above.proper.com id j7CB4fPW094679 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2beba50d0fcdeee5f091c59f204d4365 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Clemens - everyone willing to actively contribute is welcome. Thanks=20 for your offer to help ith the a draft. Martin - thanks for you willingness to start working with Clemens on a=20 draft. I, too, would hope that Alex will play a role in here, too. I would suggest that you start puttig together a strawman draft, a=20 first sketch, and quickly publish an initial version for further=20 discussion on the list. This will allow to gather fast initial=20 feedback, andalso help gauging the interest in such OCP profile (would=20 hope to see some real discussion on the list). Thanks, Markus Martin Stecher wrote: > Hi Clemens, > =20 > every active participant is more than welcome. > I also appreciate your positive view, maybe I got too pessimistic recen= tly. > =20 > If the group agrees that we should continue with our current milestones= , I am happy to work with you on the OCP/SMTP draft, hoping that Alex wil= l at least be available to discuss some OCP details, better as co-author. > =20 > So, what are the others thinking about OCP/SMTP? Should we do this - no= w? > =20 > Regards > Martin >=20 > -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht-----=20 > Von: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org im Auftrag von Clemens Perz=20 > Gesendet: Do 11.08.2005 04:26=20 > An: OPES Group=20 > Cc:=20 > Betreff: Re: Moving Forward > =09 > =09 >=20 >=20 > Hi, > =09 > If you are willing to consider the contribution of a complete greenhor= n to > this Working Group, I would like to work with Martin on the OCP/SMTP d= raft. > I'm not sure if it needs to be on the Charter for that, but it should = not > be forgotten in any way. > =09 > My experience is that the people who could benefit from such a standar= d do > not know about the OPES Working Group and the potential it's work crea= tes. > While the SMTP threats grow and the search for more flexible infrastru= cture > solutions becomes more hectic, it would be nice to have the phoenix re= ady > in the fire :) > =09 > The relevance of the OCP/SMTP might be underestimated by us and the > markets, because many people do not take their time yet to get the who= le > picture. Offering a flexible protocol solution could change that very > quickly. > =09 > Cheers, > =09 > Clemens > =09 > =09 > --On Mittwoch, 10. August 2005 20:16 -0400 Markus Hofmann > wrote: > =09 > > > > Martin, > > > > so what would you propose is the next step after removing OCP/SMTP f= rom > > the charter? > > > > All - everyone in agreement with Martin, or does somebody see a > > need/interest for OCP/SMTP? > > > > Thanks, > > Markus > > > > Martin Stecher wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> I am available for OPES protocol work and willing to act as a co-au= thor > >> for OCP profile drafts. > >> But I am not convinced that OCP/SMTP is the next step. As there see= ms > >> to be no other interest in this we should indeed have the open SMTP > >> milestones to be removed from the charter, for now, IMO. > >> There is no current OCP/SMTP demand by the industry today. > >> > >> In principle I believe that OCP has the ability to act as an univer= sal > >> protocol agnostig callout protocol and that OCP/SMTP can and should= be > >> done at some time. > >> > >> But with the limited resources we have in this group today we must = focus > >> on those adaptations that are of immediate need and use for someone. > >> There we can proof that OCP is a powerful, application agnostic pro= tocol > >> with useful and needed protocol profiles. > >> Only then we can get to first implementations that may then hopeful= ly > >> cut the Gordian knot we are facing today. > >> And after that we may be asked to return to OCP/SMTP. > >> > >> Regards > >> Martin > >> > > > =09 > =09 > =09 >=20 >=20 From owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Fri Aug 12 17:35:47 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E3hBq-0003QL-GB for opes-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:35:47 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA04323 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E3hkM-0002zx-SB for opes-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:11:31 -0400 Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7CL5fSl057151; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:05:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j7CL5fMZ057150; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:05:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from measurement-factory.com (measurement-factory.com [206.168.0.5]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7CL5enk057135 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:05:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rousskov@measurement-factory.com) Received: from pail.measurement-factory.com (nat.measurement-factory.com [206.168.0.3]) by measurement-factory.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7CL5XQb058366; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:05:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rousskov@measurement-factory.com) Subject: RE: Moving Forward From: Alex Rousskov To: Martin Stecher Cc: Clemens Perz , OPES Group In-Reply-To: <75F7E67FC45F6744A7D328D41E35376D597E5A@mail.webwasher.com> References: <75F7E67FC45F6744A7D328D41E35376D597E5A@mail.webwasher.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:03:04 -0600 Message-Id: <1123880584.81731.31.camel@pail.measurement-factory.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Sender: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by above.proper.com id j7CL5fSl057151 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 37af5f8fbf6f013c5b771388e24b09e7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2005-08-11 at 21:48 +0200, Martin Stecher wrote: > If the group agrees that we should continue with our current milestones= ,=20 > I am happy to work with you on the OCP/SMTP draft, hoping that Alex > will at least be available to discuss some OCP details, better as > co-author. I am happy to help with the OCP/SMTP draft but only on the sidelines. I agree that it would be nice to have a good "solution" in case SMTP folks need it, but I lack resources and motivation to contribute on a more substantial level, especially knowing how many SMTP folks are going to tell us that we are violating their protocols and damaging their networks. Alex. > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----=20 > Von: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org im Auftrag von Clemens Perz=20 > Gesendet: Do 11.08.2005 04:26=20 > An: OPES Group=20 > Cc:=20 > Betreff: Re: Moving Forward > =09 > =09 >=20 >=20 > Hi, > =09 > If you are willing to consider the contribution of a complete greenhor= n to > this Working Group, I would like to work with Martin on the OCP/SMTP d= raft. > I'm not sure if it needs to be on the Charter for that, but it should = not > be forgotten in any way. > =09 > My experience is that the people who could benefit from such a standar= d do > not know about the OPES Working Group and the potential it's work crea= tes. > While the SMTP threats grow and the search for more flexible infrastru= cture > solutions becomes more hectic, it would be nice to have the phoenix re= ady > in the fire :) > =09 > The relevance of the OCP/SMTP might be underestimated by us and the > markets, because many people do not take their time yet to get the who= le > picture. Offering a flexible protocol solution could change that very > quickly. > =09 > Cheers, > =09 > Clemens > =09 > =09 > --On Mittwoch, 10. August 2005 20:16 -0400 Markus Hofmann > wrote: > =09 > > > > Martin, > > > > so what would you propose is the next step after removing OCP/SMTP f= rom > > the charter? > > > > All - everyone in agreement with Martin, or does somebody see a > > need/interest for OCP/SMTP? > > > > Thanks, > > Markus > > > > Martin Stecher wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> I am available for OPES protocol work and willing to act as a co-au= thor > >> for OCP profile drafts. > >> But I am not convinced that OCP/SMTP is the next step. As there see= ms > >> to be no other interest in this we should indeed have the open SMTP > >> milestones to be removed from the charter, for now, IMO. > >> There is no current OCP/SMTP demand by the industry today. > >> > >> In principle I believe that OCP has the ability to act as an univer= sal > >> protocol agnostig callout protocol and that OCP/SMTP can and should= be > >> done at some time. > >> > >> But with the limited resources we have in this group today we must = focus > >> on those adaptations that are of immediate need and use for someone. > >> There we can proof that OCP is a powerful, application agnostic pro= tocol > >> with useful and needed protocol profiles. > >> Only then we can get to first implementations that may then hopeful= ly > >> cut the Gordian knot we are facing today. > >> And after that we may be asked to return to OCP/SMTP. > >> > >> Regards > >> Martin > >> > > > =09 > =09 > =09 >=20 >=20 From owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Fri Aug 12 17:49:17 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E3hOu-0007BP-Sp for opes-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:49:17 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA04854 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E3hxV-0003LJ-RW for opes-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:25:02 -0400 Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7CLUml4065236; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:30:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j7CLUmp3065235; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:30:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from measurement-factory.com (measurement-factory.com [206.168.0.5]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7CLUl0a065226 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:30:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rousskov@measurement-factory.com) Received: from pail.measurement-factory.com (nat.measurement-factory.com [206.168.0.3]) by measurement-factory.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7CLUcQb058944; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:30:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rousskov@measurement-factory.com) Subject: Re: Rules Language From: Alex Rousskov To: "The Purple Streak, Hilarie Orman" Cc: ietf-openproxy@imc.org In-Reply-To: <200508100458.j7A4wCeM018269@localhost.localdomain> References: <200508100458.j7A4wCeM018269@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:28:09 -0600 Message-Id: <1123882089.81731.47.camel@pail.measurement-factory.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-openproxy@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c1c65599517f9ac32519d043c37c5336 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 2005-08-09 at 22:58 -0600, The Purple Streak, Hilarie Orman wrote: > http://www.purplestreak.com/ietf-opes/draft-ietf-opes-rules-language-hopalong-00.txt > > 1. Applicable to partial messages (packet-by-packet) I would remove the references to "packets" from the draft. None of the protocols we think of dealing with (HTTP, OCP, SMTP, IMAP, RTSP) have a notion of a packet. Support for partial messages or, more precisely, partial message payloads (potentially large bodies and such) is a must, of course. Beyond that, incomplete "parts" should be invisible to the rules language. The language does not need to deal with a truncated HTTP header field or a partially received IPv6 address, for example. If the protocol defines an "element" or "part", the rules should be able to access that part (usually via protocol-specific modules). Splitting e;ementary parts into smaller chunks should be out of scope. Note that if your description promises support for application protocol elements (headers, bodies, etc.) than it would be possible to support packets as well, but only for protocols that deal with packets... Another unrelated comment is that we should not assume that a message is always headers+body. Even HTTP messages are not like that because they may have trailers. I think a couple of places in the draft may imply otherwise. If there is an error but there are no matching onError rules, what happens? Is there arithmetic support? For example, can I count the number of certain headers in the message? Please add at least one non-trivial/semi-complete realistic example. Thank you, Alex. 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