From dromasca@avaya.com Mon Mar 12 08:56:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ops-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ops-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9728521E8060 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 08:56:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.374 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.374 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.225, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CPvEyUeKQ5pb for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 08:56:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com (co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.13.100]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B383B21E804D for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 08:56:27 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAFAK8bXk/GmAcF/2dsb2JhbABBtWOBB4IJAQEBAQMBAQEPCxMKNAQTBAIBCA0EBAEBCwYMCwEGASYfCQgBAQQTCBqHaAuib5QKBI1fgj9jBJtXihiCZIFTBQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,571,1325480400"; d="scan'208";a="336203409" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.5]) by co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 12 Mar 2012 11:56:26 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.13]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 12 Mar 2012 11:48:37 -0400 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:56:24 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open meeting atIETF-83 Thread-Index: Aczbe0rVNIQ1y5ugS0iMeFaArmaA1wk7OxXQ References: From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: Subject: Re: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open meeting atIETF-83 X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:56:36 -0000 Hi, We did not receive until now any requests for agenda time at the OPSAREA WG meeting.=20 By now we have only the open microphone session on the agenda.=20 Unless we receive any request in the next few days we may end up the meeting early or donate time to the OPSAWG if they need it.=20 Thanks and Regards, Dan and Ron > -----Original Message----- > From: ops-area-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ops-area-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 6:06 PM > To: ops-area@ietf.org > Subject: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open meeting > atIETF-83 >=20 > IETF-83 is only two month away. We are planning again for a joint > OPSAWG > and OPSAREA open meeting, with the OPSAWG work items driving most of > the > agenda. The more general cross-area items or those related to the > relation between work in the area and work out of the IETF should be > part of the OPSAREA section. Please send us your requests for > presentation and discussion slots. >=20 > Thanks and Regards, >=20 > Dan and Ron >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > OPS-AREA mailing list > OPS-AREA@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area From rbonica@juniper.net Mon Mar 12 09:01:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ops-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ops-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF59821E8066 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:01:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.505 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.505 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.094, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YyIf9vqTENhh for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og120.obsmtp.com (exprod7og120.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.18]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DF4921E802A for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from P-EMHUB02-HQ.jnpr.net ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob120.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKT14d3D3N1o4mpW/fPc3nq0faIjbRE1PL@postini.com; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:01:39 PDT Received: from P-CLDFE02-HQ.jnpr.net (172.24.192.60) by P-EMHUB02-HQ.jnpr.net (172.24.192.36) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.213.0; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:01:22 -0700 Received: from p-emfe01-wf.jnpr.net (172.28.145.24) by p-cldfe02-hq.jnpr.net (172.24.192.60) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.355.2; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:01:21 -0700 Received: from EMBX01-WF.jnpr.net ([fe80::1914:3299:33d9:e43b]) by p-emfe01-wf.jnpr.net ([fe80::d0d1:653d:5b91:a123%11]) with mapi; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:01:21 -0400 From: Ronald Bonica To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , "ops-area@ietf.org" , "opsec-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:01:19 -0400 Thread-Topic: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open meeting atIETF-83 Thread-Index: Aczbe0rVNIQ1y5ugS0iMeFaArmaA1wk7OxXQAAA/tTA= Message-ID: <13205C286662DE4387D9AF3AC30EF456D76809E108@EMBX01-WF.jnpr.net> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-EXCLAIMER-MD-CONFIG: e4081efb-6d29-443c-8708-750833aec629 Subject: Re: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open meeting atIETF-83 X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:01:48 -0000 Dan, OPSEC is badly in need of agenda time. Maybe we could donate some of our ti= me to them. Ron > -----Original Message----- > From: ops-area-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ops-area-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 11:56 AM > To: ops-area@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open > meeting atIETF-83 >=20 > Hi, >=20 > We did not receive until now any requests for agenda time at the > OPSAREA WG meeting. >=20 > By now we have only the open microphone session on the agenda. >=20 > Unless we receive any request in the next few days we may end up the > meeting early or donate time to the OPSAWG if they need it. >=20 > Thanks and Regards, >=20 > Dan and Ron >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ops-area-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ops-area-bounces@ietf.org] On > > Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 6:06 PM > > To: ops-area@ietf.org > > Subject: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open > meeting > > atIETF-83 > > > > IETF-83 is only two month away. We are planning again for a joint > > OPSAWG and OPSAREA open meeting, with the OPSAWG work items driving > > most of the agenda. The more general cross-area items or those > related > > to the relation between work in the area and work out of the IETF > > should be part of the OPSAREA section. Please send us your requests > > for presentation and discussion slots. > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > Dan and Ron > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OPS-AREA mailing list > > OPS-AREA@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area > _______________________________________________ > OPS-AREA mailing list > OPS-AREA@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area From dromasca@avaya.com Mon Mar 12 09:02:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ops-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ops-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70BC821E806C for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:02:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.375 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.375 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.224, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h7ycFsdC2INO for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:02:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com (de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.71.100]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82B721E8062 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:02:07 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAFAK8bXk+HCzI1/2dsb2JhbABBtWOBB4IJAQEBAQMBAQEPCxMKNAQTBAIBCA0BAwQBAQsGDAsBBgEmHwkIAQEEARIIGodoC6JvlAoEkB5jBJtXihiCZIFTBQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,571,1325480400"; d="scan'208";a="296539176" Received: from unknown (HELO p-us1-erheast.us1.avaya.com) ([135.11.50.53]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 12 Mar 2012 12:02:06 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.13]) by p-us1-erheast-out.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP; 12 Mar 2012 11:46:48 -0400 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 17:02:03 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <13205C286662DE4387D9AF3AC30EF456D76809E108@EMBX01-WF.jnpr.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open meetingatIETF-83 Thread-Index: Aczbe0rVNIQ1y5ugS0iMeFaArmaA1wk7OxXQAAA/tTAAAA8sAA== References: <13205C286662DE4387D9AF3AC30EF456D76809E108@EMBX01-WF.jnpr.net> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Ronald Bonica" , , Subject: Re: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open meetingatIETF-83 X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:02:09 -0000 Sure.=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ronald Bonica [mailto:rbonica@juniper.net] > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 6:01 PM > To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); ops-area@ietf.org; opsec- > chairs@tools.ietf.org > Subject: RE: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open > meetingatIETF-83 >=20 > Dan, >=20 > OPSEC is badly in need of agenda time. Maybe we could donate some of > our time to them. >=20 > Ron >=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ops-area-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ops-area-bounces@ietf.org] On > > Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 11:56 AM > > To: ops-area@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open > > meeting atIETF-83 > > > > Hi, > > > > We did not receive until now any requests for agenda time at the > > OPSAREA WG meeting. > > > > By now we have only the open microphone session on the agenda. > > > > Unless we receive any request in the next few days we may end up the > > meeting early or donate time to the OPSAWG if they need it. > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > Dan and Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: ops-area-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ops-area-bounces@ietf.org] > On > > > Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 6:06 PM > > > To: ops-area@ietf.org > > > Subject: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open > > meeting > > > atIETF-83 > > > > > > IETF-83 is only two month away. We are planning again for a joint > > > OPSAWG and OPSAREA open meeting, with the OPSAWG work items driving > > > most of the agenda. The more general cross-area items or those > > related > > > to the relation between work in the area and work out of the IETF > > > should be part of the OPSAREA section. Please send us your requests > > > for presentation and discussion slots. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > > Dan and Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > OPS-AREA mailing list > > > OPS-AREA@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area > > _______________________________________________ > > OPS-AREA mailing list > > OPS-AREA@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area From gvandeve@cisco.com Mon Mar 12 09:30:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ops-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ops-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87DD911E809A for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:30:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.088, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HRNkEaarWm7v for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93EFF11E80A4 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:30:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=gvandeve@cisco.com; l=2746; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1331569801; x=1332779401; h=mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date: message-id:in-reply-to:references:from:to; bh=e8Dwo2IPe9FCaJcoFz2Cl6/pPUszLzrWvoSTFeK3LEc=; b=KmGpPWUglacC6Ewiy/B+/vDH6rpEBE1FKnismX0AG6IoVV5c3jTw3Rwb 0/mgat4bxnJcG3mMmR8NFUc7Dwux15HlMK3hDem9ZV7eHcthrihaXlblB 3o576AJIOSUGwmvU2G5U0BlssLtfZzgHhf2fhL0eHaBqQY3Z/Alvavs8a o=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EAF4kXk+Q/khR/2dsb2JhbABBtWSBB4IJAQEBBAEBAQ8BChMKNAQTBAIBCBEEAQELBhcBBgEmHwkIAQEEARIIGodoC593AZZ/BJAeYwSlb4JkgVMF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,571,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="132079137" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com ([144.254.72.81]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Mar 2012 16:30:00 +0000 Received: from xbh-ams-101.cisco.com (xbh-ams-101.cisco.com [144.254.74.71]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q2CGU0G2025055; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:30:00 GMT Received: from xmb-ams-102.cisco.com ([144.254.74.77]) by xbh-ams-101.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 12 Mar 2012 17:30:00 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 17:29:59 +0100 Message-ID: <5C99EC8C99D9BB45AC51D20DC2AD2DC50714272D@XMB-AMS-102.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open meetingatIETF-83 Thread-Index: Aczbe0rVNIQ1y5ugS0iMeFaArmaA1wk7OxXQAAA/tTAAAA8sAAAA7kwQ References: <13205C286662DE4387D9AF3AC30EF456D76809E108@EMBX01-WF.jnpr.net> From: "Gunter Van de Velde (gvandeve)" To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , "Ronald Bonica" , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Mar 2012 16:30:00.0378 (UTC) FILETIME=[5EB221A0:01CD006D] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:34:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open meetingatIETF-83 X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:30:02 -0000 Many thanks Dan and Ron. What would be best forum to distribute the drafts discussed? G/ -----Original Message----- From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com]=20 Sent: maandag 12 maart 2012 17:02 To: Ronald Bonica; ops-area@ietf.org; opsec-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: RE: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open meetingatIETF-83 Sure.=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ronald Bonica [mailto:rbonica@juniper.net] > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 6:01 PM > To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); ops-area@ietf.org; opsec- > chairs@tools.ietf.org > Subject: RE: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open > meetingatIETF-83 >=20 > Dan, >=20 > OPSEC is badly in need of agenda time. Maybe we could donate some of > our time to them. >=20 > Ron >=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ops-area-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ops-area-bounces@ietf.org] On > > Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 11:56 AM > > To: ops-area@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open > > meeting atIETF-83 > > > > Hi, > > > > We did not receive until now any requests for agenda time at the > > OPSAREA WG meeting. > > > > By now we have only the open microphone session on the agenda. > > > > Unless we receive any request in the next few days we may end up the > > meeting early or donate time to the OPSAWG if they need it. > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > Dan and Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: ops-area-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ops-area-bounces@ietf.org] > On > > > Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 6:06 PM > > > To: ops-area@ietf.org > > > Subject: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open > > meeting > > > atIETF-83 > > > > > > IETF-83 is only two month away. We are planning again for a joint > > > OPSAWG and OPSAREA open meeting, with the OPSAWG work items driving > > > most of the agenda. The more general cross-area items or those > > related > > > to the relation between work in the area and work out of the IETF > > > should be part of the OPSAREA section. Please send us your requests > > > for presentation and discussion slots. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > > Dan and Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > OPS-AREA mailing list > > > OPS-AREA@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area > > _______________________________________________ > > OPS-AREA mailing list > > OPS-AREA@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area From ggolovinsky@gmail.com Mon Mar 12 09:54:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ops-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ops-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B8F21F8781 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:54:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZSm5sj0R5jSA for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD2821F85EC for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iazz13 with SMTP id z13so7860635iaz.31 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:54:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=5IrMOEf5rTFziUGK3qr5j86iXyQ2ht6xq4wM070AiSE=; b=K4OLnkOazxMWa1CMqyHifJMdCmSScCbj96/rMQxDCYSiP1Zv7Zs14voNhJNj6QsibZ SupMhPZcmdLDsZ/S4Lx39Ue57g83zpTm5iqqhZWvgpz1zOWuvXDYKI6Smp8anp6T1S// lvysHk5hq/j9DS2t9y8M3ElMLGEd/r9FtE9iVslMVH2mzku4/YofNbL8HwAEBTmnhXT8 IfvyrRia0YtgfL2yjkVD0lLRovmbb6ml5ntFrXx//QRNgpiT6Hb4bDEoJq6gN/+wtaXH ogod1BgUq4y4LVTnd2WimEbARADodfpCSupVD2MiHwknoLapGvXHywI/c0LBLQ4Uxi06 aKxQ== Received: by 10.50.42.233 with SMTP id r9mr20278624igl.5.1331571274217; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 82218T420A (ip-64-39-108-96.us01.qualys.com. [64.39.108.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id df2sm9586233igb.10.2012.03.12.09.54.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:54:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "Gene Golovinsky" To: "'Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)'" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:54:31 -0700 Message-ID: <047b01cd0070$cc92ead0$65b8c070$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQKp9gzScVmO9f6CZZ6FWtHu1iQs5AIg9XzelJvsXEA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open meeting atIETF-83 X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:54:38 -0000 Hi. I was requesting 10 min slot for http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-golovinsky-cloud-services-log-format-01 from OPSAWG. They are reluctant to grant it without seeing some active discussion on the list and also probably because the agenda is packet as it is. IMHO people have limited time for reading the drafts and the presentation can generate active discussion. The draft itself lost a bit of a momentum due to inability of authors to attend several previous meetings. If at all possible, I would really appreciate the opportunity to talk about the problem at hand and the possible solution. Thanks. --Gene -----Original Message----- From: ops-area-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ops-area-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 08:56 AM To: ops-area@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open meeting atIETF-83 Hi, We did not receive until now any requests for agenda time at the OPSAREA WG meeting. By now we have only the open microphone session on the agenda. Unless we receive any request in the next few days we may end up the meeting early or donate time to the OPSAWG if they need it. Thanks and Regards, Dan and Ron > -----Original Message----- > From: ops-area-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ops-area-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 6:06 PM > To: ops-area@ietf.org > Subject: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open meeting > atIETF-83 > > IETF-83 is only two month away. We are planning again for a joint > OPSAWG and OPSAREA open meeting, with the OPSAWG work items driving > most of the agenda. The more general cross-area items or those related > to the relation between work in the area and work out of the IETF > should be part of the OPSAREA section. Please send us your requests > for presentation and discussion slots. > > Thanks and Regards, > > Dan and Ron > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OPS-AREA mailing list > OPS-AREA@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area _______________________________________________ OPS-AREA mailing list OPS-AREA@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area From fanpeng@chinamobile.com Mon Mar 12 19:47:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ops-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ops-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB78111E8079 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:47:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.958 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.958 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.334, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RELAY_IS_221=2.222] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QIKi7LYROFRY for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:47:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imss.chinamobile.com (imss.chinamobile.com [221.130.253.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12A2E11E8072 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:47:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imss.chinamobile.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.chinamobile.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62086E482; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 10:47:39 +0800 (CST) Received: from mail.chinamobile.com (unknown [10.1.28.22]) by imss.chinamobile.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5506AE468; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 10:47:39 +0800 (CST) Received: from X6X8D79D8F49E2 ([10.2.43.116]) by mail.chinamobile.com (Lotus Domino Release 6.5.6) with ESMTP id 2012031310473801-5187 ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 10:47:38 +0800 From: "fanpeng" To: Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 10:47:38 +0800 Message-ID: <005001cd00c3$a734f1e0$f59ed5a0$@chinamobile.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac0AwyFkHu5YYL0hR4WM93qUA4gy5w== X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on jtgsml01/servers/cmcc(Release 6.5.6|March 06, 2007) at 2012-03-13 10:47:38, Serialize by Router on jtgsml01/servers/cmcc(Release 6.5.6|March 06, 2007) at 2012-03-13 10:47:38, Serialize complete at 2012-03-13 10:47:38 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01CD0106.B55A7BD0" Content-Language: zh-cn X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.0.0.8231-6.8.0.1017-18770.004 X-TM-AS-Result: No--12.199-7.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--12.199-7.0-31-10;No--12.199-7.0-31-10 X-TM-AS-User-Approved-Sender: No;No X-TM-AS-User-Blocked-Sender: No;No Cc: lilianyuan@chinamoboile.com Subject: [OPS-AREA] new draft in opsawg: Requirements for IP/MPLS network transmission interruption duration X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 02:47:43 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CD0106.B55A7BD0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Greetings all, We have recently submitted a draft in opsawg on transmission interruption duration (draft-fan-opsawg-transmission-interuption-00 ). We felt it necessary to make requirements for the interruption duration since there is no consensus on it yet in the industry. We primarily analyzed interruption criteria for softswitch voice, and research on LTE backhaul and other kinds of service scenarios has been in progress. We would like to hear from you feedbacks about this draft, e.g. whether or not there should be such requirements or methodology for the analysis. Any comment on it will be appreciated. The following is a brief introduction: Today's IP/MPLS network is widely used as a bearing network to carry diversified packet switched services. The transmission qualities of these services are closely related to the performance of bearing layers, as network failure, delay, congestion and other abnormities will inevitably bring about service interruption and user perception degradation. However, there is no consensus in the industry on transmission interruption for IP/MPLS network up to now. This memo studies relationships between service performance and transmission interruption duration in several scenarios, and is intended to reach a list of requirements for these interruption duration criteria. Best regards, Fan Peng ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CD0106.B55A7BD0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"

Greetings all,

 

We have recently submitted a = draft in opsawg on transmission interruption duration (draft-fan-opsawg-transmission-interuption-00). We felt it necessary to make requirements for the = interruption duration since there is no consensus on it yet in the = industry. We primarily analyzed interruption criteria for softswitch = voice, and research on LTE backhaul and other kinds of service scenarios = has been in progress.

 

We would like to hear from you feedbacks about this draft, = e.g. whether or not there should be such requirements or methodology for = the analysis. Any comment on it will be = appreciated.

 

The = following is a brief introduction:

 

Today's = IP/MPLS network is widely used as a bearing network to carry diversified = packet switched services. The transmission qualities of these services = are closely related to the performance of bearing layers, as network = failure, delay, congestion and other abnormities will inevitably bring = about service interruption and user perception degradation. However, = there is no consensus in the industry on transmission interruption for = IP/MPLS network up to now.  This memo studies relationships between = service performance and transmission interruption duration in several = scenarios, and is intended to reach a list of requirements for these = interruption duration criteria.

 

 

Best = regards,           = ;            =           =

 

Fan = Peng

------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CD0106.B55A7BD0-- From dromasca@avaya.com Wed Mar 14 11:01:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ops-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ops-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EE2021F878B for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 11:01:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.369 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.369 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.230, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u2O5c57aLVaN for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 11:01:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com (co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.13.100]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 908B721F8777 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 11:01:39 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgsFAP3bYE/GmAcF/2dsb2JhbABDqHyNMYEHggkBAQEBAwEBAQ8LEwo0BAcMBAIBCA0BAwQBAQsGDAsBBgEgBh8JCAIEARIIEweHaAueWJw4iUpqhWdjBJtjhSGEeoJngVMF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,585,1325480400"; d="scan'208";a="336951698" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.5]) by co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 14 Mar 2012 14:01:23 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.13]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 14 Mar 2012 13:53:27 -0400 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 19:01:19 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <047b01cd0070$cc92ead0$65b8c070$@gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open meeting atIETF-83 Thread-Index: AQKp9gzScVmO9f6CZZ6FWtHu1iQs5AIg9XzelJvsXECAAzgBYA== References: <047b01cd0070$cc92ead0$65b8c070$@gmail.com> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Gene Golovinsky" , Cc: opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open meeting atIETF-83 X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 18:01:40 -0000 Hi Gene, The OPSAWG chairs agreed to allocate a time-slot in the OPSAWG section of the meeting for this document. Please follow-up with them on the details and most important please work with the other OPSAWG participants in order to test their level of support and interest in participating in this work, which will be the determinant factor in the decision to adopt it (or not) as a WG item.=20 Regards, Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: Gene Golovinsky [mailto:ggolovinsky@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 6:55 PM > To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); ops-area@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open > meeting atIETF-83 >=20 > Hi. > I was requesting 10 min slot for > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-golovinsky-cloud-services-log-format- > 01 > from OPSAWG. They are reluctant to grant it without seeing some active > discussion on the list and also probably because the agenda is packet > as it > is. > IMHO people have limited time for reading the drafts and the > presentation > can generate active discussion. > The draft itself lost a bit of a momentum due to inability of authors > to > attend several previous meetings. >=20 > If at all possible, I would really appreciate the opportunity to talk > about > the problem at hand and the possible solution. >=20 > Thanks. > --Gene >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: ops-area-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ops-area-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf > Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 08:56 AM > To: ops-area@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open > meeting > atIETF-83 >=20 > Hi, >=20 > We did not receive until now any requests for agenda time at the > OPSAREA WG > meeting. >=20 > By now we have only the open microphone session on the agenda. >=20 > Unless we receive any request in the next few days we may end up the > meeting > early or donate time to the OPSAWG if they need it. >=20 > Thanks and Regards, >=20 > Dan and Ron >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ops-area-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ops-area-bounces@ietf.org] On > > Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 6:06 PM > > To: ops-area@ietf.org > > Subject: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open > meeting > > atIETF-83 > > > > IETF-83 is only two month away. We are planning again for a joint > > OPSAWG and OPSAREA open meeting, with the OPSAWG work items driving > > most of the agenda. The more general cross-area items or those > related > > to the relation between work in the area and work out of the IETF > > should be part of the OPSAREA section. Please send us your requests > > for presentation and discussion slots. > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > Dan and Ron > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OPS-AREA mailing list > > OPS-AREA@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area > _______________________________________________ > OPS-AREA mailing list > OPS-AREA@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area From ggolovinsky@gmail.com Wed Mar 14 11:04:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ops-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ops-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B7121F8598 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 11:04:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D14rmLbBgIB2 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 11:04:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f54.google.com (mail-pz0-f54.google.com [209.85.210.54]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A38E21F8535 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 11:04:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by dald2 with SMTP id d2so4372747dal.27 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 11:04:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=O2BH/ha5LSb8ApgrwXcCeaCWMgq7KtEk1l/9qXUCCXE=; b=mf4trHadrZGMZW/88H9Z0SKzExQq9z3fGlLUkRKWkwAvy3mGQGKnBb8wMVbE6kW+j4 UJeBUqtVYE9xqQKThicycR1xUhJSJbtI5j5ACxD4SdIoKX/dXzOouYy+Ft8tmoRLnZQN 4lssYKWNpGRtP12UpH9rAr5YOivKYI8nP7TbmPASFrSq2eIMcUXkhZ37UAFNe4HylQiG pJd7qR48zlRDSpmab8dP31kGvhm/RY3FQwlSugmxjxu1Tvgj+prQgzgoc9bVCYb/RChH S4sX34fxmqjvXYcSxmXqtG0fenhHihb5HXi03YUPzSyXG7eG7ZDju4OLjX/c/FN7EduV KHDQ== Received: by 10.68.239.195 with SMTP id vu3mr4240631pbc.49.1331748249227; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 11:04:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 82218T420A (mobile-198-228-211-083.mycingular.net. [198.228.211.83]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o7sm2778229pbq.8.2012.03.14.11.04.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 14 Mar 2012 11:04:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Gene Golovinsky" To: "'Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)'" , References: <047b01cd0070$cc92ead0$65b8c070$@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 11:04:05 -0700 Message-ID: <002a01cd020c$dac0e470$9042ad50$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQKp9gzScVmO9f6CZZ6FWtHu1iQs5AIg9XzeAX7yeXECANWdrpSDJ1pw Content-Language: en-us Cc: opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open meeting atIETF-83 X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 18:04:10 -0000 Great! Thanks a lot! I appreciate that and will be in touch shortly. --Gene -----Original Message----- From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromsca@avaya.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:01 AM To: Gene Golovinsky; ops-area@ietf.org Cc: Ronald Bonica; Benoit Claise; opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: RE: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open meeting atIETF-83 Hi Gene, The OPSAWG chairs agreed to allocate a time-slot in the OPSAWG section of the meeting for this document. Please follow-up with them on the details and most important please work with the other OPSAWG participants in order to test their level of support and interest in participating in this work, which will be the determinant factor in the decision to adopt it (or not) as a WG item. Regards, Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: Gene Golovinsky [mailto:ggolovinsky@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 6:55 PM > To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); ops-area@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open > meeting atIETF-83 > > Hi. > I was requesting 10 min slot for > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-golovinsky-cloud-services-log-format- > 01 > from OPSAWG. They are reluctant to grant it without seeing some active > discussion on the list and also probably because the agenda is packet > as it is. > IMHO people have limited time for reading the drafts and the > presentation can generate active discussion. > The draft itself lost a bit of a momentum due to inability of authors > to attend several previous meetings. > > If at all possible, I would really appreciate the opportunity to talk > about the problem at hand and the possible solution. > > Thanks. > --Gene > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ops-area-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ops-area-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 08:56 AM > To: ops-area@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open > meeting > atIETF-83 > > Hi, > > We did not receive until now any requests for agenda time at the > OPSAREA WG meeting. > > By now we have only the open microphone session on the agenda. > > Unless we receive any request in the next few days we may end up the > meeting early or donate time to the OPSAWG if they need it. > > Thanks and Regards, > > Dan and Ron > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ops-area-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ops-area-bounces@ietf.org] On > > Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 6:06 PM > > To: ops-area@ietf.org > > Subject: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open > meeting > > atIETF-83 > > > > IETF-83 is only two month away. We are planning again for a joint > > OPSAWG and OPSAREA open meeting, with the OPSAWG work items driving > > most of the agenda. The more general cross-area items or those > related > > to the relation between work in the area and work out of the IETF > > should be part of the OPSAREA section. Please send us your requests > > for presentation and discussion slots. > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > Dan and Ron > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OPS-AREA mailing list > > OPS-AREA@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area > _______________________________________________ > OPS-AREA mailing list > OPS-AREA@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area From fanpeng@chinamobile.com Thu Mar 15 21:13:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ops-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ops-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4A8421E8060 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 21:13:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 4.331 X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.331 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.928, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, CN_BODY_35=0.339, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RELAY_IS_221=2.222, SARE_SUB_ENC_GB2312=1.345] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GSfYMozRYkVd for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 21:13:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imss.chinamobile.com (imss.chinamobile.com [221.130.253.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37BF521E8045 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 21:13:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imss.chinamobile.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.chinamobile.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43EB9E72E; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 12:13:23 +0800 (CST) Received: from mail.chinamobile.com (unknown [10.1.28.22]) by imss.chinamobile.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32705E404; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 12:13:23 +0800 (CST) Received: from X6X8D79D8F49E2 ([10.2.43.116]) by mail.chinamobile.com (Lotus Domino Release 6.5.6) with ESMTP id 2012031612131995-7740 ; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 12:13:19 +0800 From: "fanpeng" To: "'Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)'" , References: <047b01cd0070$cc92ead0$65b8c070$@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 12:13:20 +0800 Message-ID: <000401cd032b$1f288a40$5d799ec0$@chinamobile.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQKp9gzScVmO9f6CZZ6FWtHu1iQs5AIg9XzeAX7yeXECANWdrpSEegMA X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on jtgsml01/servers/cmcc(Release 6.5.6|March 06, 2007) at 2012-03-16 12:13:20, Serialize by Router on jtgsml01/servers/cmcc(Release 6.5.6|March 06, 2007) at 2012-03-16 12:13:22, Serialize complete at 2012-03-16 12:13:22 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01CD036E.2D508530" Content-Language: zh-cn X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.0.0.8231-6.8.0.1017-18776.004 X-TM-AS-Result: No--58.777-7.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--58.777-7.0-31-10;No--58.777-7.0-31-10 X-TM-AS-User-Approved-Sender: No;No X-TM-AS-User-Blocked-Sender: No;No Subject: [OPS-AREA] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogIENhbGwgZm9yIGFnZW5kYSBpdGVtcyBm?= =?gb2312?b?b3IgdGhlIE9QU0FSRUEgb3BlbiBtZWV0aW5nCWF0SUVURi04Mw==?= X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 04:13:27 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CD036E.2D508530 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Hi Dan, =20 I submitted a draft several days ago regarding IP/MPLS interruption = duration draft-fan-opsawg-transmission-interuption-00 . I requested a time slot in opsawg, but was told they tended only to allocate a slot after the draft had shown interest in the mailing list. = This document was submitted shortly before the Mar 5 deadline, so I guess I didn=A1=AFt leave enough time for people to read it. =20 Although the industry may have some existing perspectives on the matter = of interruption duration =A8C for example sub-50ms-outage-time requirement = for physical transport layer =A8C we think the requirement for IP/MPLS layer = can be alleviated to some extent as long as upper-level service connection = is not affected to be broken. That is the purpose of this document. To be = more specific, we consider IP interruption duration of 3 sec is ok for = softswitch voice.=20 =20 We would like to hear comments about this problem and initiate = discussion among industry on how far the IP layer can tolerate interruption while provide uninterrupted connection for services. I really wish to have the chance to talk about this issue during the meeting if the agenda is not = so fully scheduled. 10 minutes is enough if it is possible. =20 Thanks and best regards, =20 Fan Peng =20 =20 -----=D3=CA=BC=FE=D4=AD=BC=FE----- =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: ops-area-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:ops-area-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED Romascanu, Dan (Dan) =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2012=C4=EA3=D4=C215=C8=D5 2:01 =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Gene Golovinsky; ops-area@ietf.org =B3=AD=CB=CD: opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org =D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open = meeting atIETF-83 =20 Hi Gene, =20 The OPSAWG chairs agreed to allocate a time-slot in the OPSAWG section = of the meeting for this document. Please follow-up with them on the details = and most important please work with the other OPSAWG participants in order = to test their level of support and interest in participating in this work, which will be the determinant factor in the decision to adopt it (or = not) as a WG item.=20 =20 Regards, =20 Dan =20 =20 =20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Gene Golovinsky [mailto:ggolovinsky@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 6:55 PM > To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); ops-area@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open=20 > meeting atIETF-83 >=20 > Hi. > I was requesting 10 min slot for > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-golovinsky-cloud-services-log-format- > 01 > from OPSAWG. They are reluctant to grant it without seeing some active = > discussion on the list and also probably because the agenda is packet=20 > as it is. > IMHO people have limited time for reading the drafts and the=20 > presentation can generate active discussion. > The draft itself lost a bit of a momentum due to inability of authors=20 > to attend several previous meetings. >=20 > If at all possible, I would really appreciate the opportunity to talk=20 > about the problem at hand and the possible solution. >=20 > Thanks. > --Gene >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: ops-area-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ops-area-bounces@ietf.org] On=20 > Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 08:56 AM > To: ops-area@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open=20 > meeting > atIETF-83 >=20 > Hi, >=20 > We did not receive until now any requests for agenda time at the=20 > OPSAREA WG meeting. >=20 > By now we have only the open microphone session on the agenda. >=20 > Unless we receive any request in the next few days we may end up the=20 > meeting early or donate time to the OPSAWG if they need it. >=20 > Thanks and Regards, >=20 > Dan and Ron >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ops-area-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ops-area-bounces@ietf.org] On > > Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 6:06 PM > > To: ops-area@ietf.org > > Subject: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open > meeting > > atIETF-83 > > > > IETF-83 is only two month away. We are planning again for a joint=20 > > OPSAWG and OPSAREA open meeting, with the OPSAWG work items driving=20 > > most of the agenda. The more general cross-area items or those > related > > to the relation between work in the area and work out of the IETF=20 > > should be part of the OPSAREA section. Please send us your requests=20 > > for presentation and discussion slots. > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > Dan and Ron > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OPS-AREA mailing list > > OPS-AREA@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area > _______________________________________________ > OPS-AREA mailing list > OPS-AREA@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area =20 _______________________________________________ OPS-AREA mailing list OPS-AREA@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CD036E.2D508530 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312"

Hi = Dan,

 

I submitted a draft several days ago regarding IP/MPLS = interruption duration draft-fan-opsawg-transmission-interuption-00. I requested a time slot in opsawg, but was told they = tended only to allocate a slot after the draft had shown interest in the = mailing list. This document was submitted shortly before the Mar 5 = deadline, so I guess I didn=A1=AFt = leave enough time for people to read it.

 

Although the industry may have = some existing perspectives on the matter of interruption duration = =A8C for example sub-50ms-outage-time = requirement for physical transport layer =A8C we = think the requirement for IP/MPLS layer can be alleviated to some extent = as long as upper-level service connection is not affected to be broken. = That is the purpose of this document. To be more specific, we consider = IP interruption duration of 3 sec is ok for softswitch voice. =

 

We would like to hear comments about this problem and = initiate discussion among industry on how far the IP layer can tolerate = interruption while provide uninterrupted connection for services. I = really wish to have the chance to talk about this issue during the = meeting if the agenda is not so fully scheduled. 10 minutes is enough if = it is possible.

 

Thanks and best regards,

 

Fan Peng

 

 

-----=D3=CA=BC=FE=D4=AD=BC=FE-----

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: ops-area-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:ops-area-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED Romascanu, Dan (Dan)

=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2012=C4=EA3=D4=C215=C8=D5 = 2:01

=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Gene Golovinsky; = ops-area@ietf.org

=B3=AD=CB=CD: opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org

=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open = meeting atIETF-83

 

Hi Gene,

 

The OPSAWG chairs agreed to allocate a time-slot in the = OPSAWG section of the meeting for this document. Please follow-up with = them on the details and most important please work with the other OPSAWG = participants in order to test their level of support and interest in = participating in this work, which will be the determinant factor in the = decision to adopt it (or not) as a WG item.

 

Regards,

 

Dan

 

 

 

 

> -----Original = Message-----

> From: Gene Golovinsky = [mailto:ggolovinsky@gmail.com]

> Sent: Monday, March 12, = 2012 6:55 PM

> To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); = ops-area@ietf.org

> Subject: RE: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the = OPSAREA open

> meeting atIETF-83

>

> Hi.

> I was requesting 10 min = slot for

> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-golovinsky-cloud-services-log-for= mat-

> 01

> from OPSAWG. They are reluctant to grant it without = seeing some active

> discussion on the list and also probably because the = agenda is packet

> as it is.

> IMHO people have limited = time for reading the drafts and the

> presentation can generate = active discussion.

> The draft itself lost a bit of a momentum due to = inability of authors

> to attend several previous = meetings.

>

> If at all possible, I would really appreciate the = opportunity to talk

> about the problem at hand and the possible = solution.

>

> Thanks.

> = --Gene

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: = ops-area-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ops-area-bounces@ietf.org] On =

> = Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan)

> Sent: Monday, March 12, = 2012 08:56 AM

> To: ops-area@ietf.org

> Subject: Re: [OPS-AREA] = Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open

> = meeting

> atIETF-83

>

> Hi,

>

> We did not receive until = now any requests for agenda time at the

> OPSAREA WG = meeting.

>

> By now we have only the open microphone session on the = agenda.

>

> Unless we receive any request in the next few days we = may end up the

> meeting early or donate time to the OPSAWG if they = need it.

>

> Thanks and Regards,

>

> Dan and = Ron

> =

> =

> =

> =

> =

> = > -----Original Message-----

> > From: = ops-area-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:ops-area-bounces@ietf.org]

On

> > Behalf Of Romascanu, = Dan (Dan)

> > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 6:06 = PM

> = > To: ops-area@ietf.org

> > Subject: [OPS-AREA] = Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open

> = meeting

> > atIETF-83

> = >

> > IETF-83 is only two month away. We are planning = again for a joint

> > OPSAWG and OPSAREA open meeting, with the OPSAWG = work items driving

> > most of the agenda. The more general cross-area = items or those

> related

> > to the relation = between work in the area and work out of the IETF =

> = > should be part of the OPSAREA section. Please send us your requests =

> = > for presentation and discussion slots.

> = >

> > Thanks and Regards,

> = >

> > Dan and Ron

> = >

> >

> = >

> >

> > = _______________________________________________

> > OPS-AREA mailing = list

> > OPS-AREA@ietf.org=

> > https://www.ietf.= org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area

> = _______________________________________________

> OPS-AREA mailing = list

> OPS-AREA@ietf.org=

> https://www.ietf.= org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area

 

_______________________________________________

OPS-AREA mailing = list

OPS-AREA@ietf.org=

https://www.ietf.= org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area

------=_NextPart_000_0005_01CD036E.2D508530-- From dromasca@avaya.com Mon Mar 19 04:47:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ops-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ops-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85F6921F8616 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 04:47:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.983 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.983 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.174, BAYES_00=-2.599, CN_BODY_35=0.339, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OXak4CSZdrWc for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 04:47:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com (de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.71.100]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A57421F8602 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 04:47:01 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ar4FANkbZ0+HCzI1/2dsb2JhbABCgkaCeJ90iCQBiHKBB4IJAQEBAQIBAQEBDwoBEAM+BAwHBAIBBgINBAQBAQsGDAQHAQQCASAGHwkIAgQBEggTB4djBQueAYoKCJFCiVVvhR43YwSUE4dkhSCEeYJngVMF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,611,1325480400"; d="scan'208,217";a="297777275" Received: from unknown (HELO p-us1-erheast.us1.avaya.com) ([135.11.50.53]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 19 Mar 2012 07:46:59 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.13]) by p-us1-erheast-out.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP; 19 Mar 2012 07:31:27 -0400 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CD05C5.FCE0FC31" Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 12:46:56 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000401cd032b$1f288a40$5d799ec0$@chinamobile.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open meeting atIETF-83 Thread-Index: AQKp9gzScVmO9f6CZZ6FWtHu1iQs5AIg9XzeAX7yeXECANWdrpSEegMAgAYcjbA= References: <047b01cd0070$cc92ead0$65b8c070$@gmail.com> <000401cd032b$1f288a40$5d799ec0$@chinamobile.com> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "fanpeng" , Subject: Re: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open meeting atIETF-83 X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 11:47:03 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CD05C5.FCE0FC31 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Fan Peng, =20 Thank you for your message but I do not think that using time in the = OPSAREA meeting for discussions about an I-D that did not gather enough = interest and momentum in the OPSAWG (or other WGs in the area) would be = a good thing. I suggest that you talk again with the OPSAWG chairs and = ask that your document be included at the end of the agenda of the = OPSAWG if there is time available. In the meantime I would recommend = that you use the OPSAWG list to explain the problem that you are trying = to address with your I-D and the reasons for which you believe that it = should be addressed by the WG, so that the WG members have an = opportunity to express support.=20 =20 Thanks and Regards, =20 Dan =20 =20 From: fanpeng [mailto:fanpeng@chinamobile.com]=20 Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 6:13 AM To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); ops-area@ietf.org Subject: =B4=F0=B8=B4: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA = open meeting atIETF-83 =20 Hi Dan, =20 I submitted a draft several days ago regarding IP/MPLS interruption = duration draft-fan-opsawg-transmission-interuption-00 = . I requested a time slot in opsawg, but was told they tended only = to allocate a slot after the draft had shown interest in the mailing = list. This document was submitted shortly before the Mar 5 deadline, so = I guess I didn=A1=AFt leave enough time for people to read it. =20 Although the industry may have some existing perspectives on the matter = of interruption duration =A8C for example sub-50ms-outage-time = requirement for physical transport layer =A8C we think the requirement = for IP/MPLS layer can be alleviated to some extent as long as = upper-level service connection is not affected to be broken. That is the = purpose of this document. To be more specific, we consider IP = interruption duration of 3 sec is ok for softswitch voice.=20 =20 We would like to hear comments about this problem and initiate = discussion among industry on how far the IP layer can tolerate = interruption while provide uninterrupted connection for services. I = really wish to have the chance to talk about this issue during the = meeting if the agenda is not so fully scheduled. 10 minutes is enough if = it is possible. =20 Thanks and best regards, =20 Fan Peng =20 =20 -----=D3=CA=BC=FE=D4=AD=BC=FE----- =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: ops-area-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:ops-area-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED Romascanu, Dan (Dan) =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2012=C4=EA3=D4=C215=C8=D5 2:01 =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Gene Golovinsky; ops-area@ietf.org =B3=AD=CB=CD: opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org =D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open = meeting atIETF-83 =20 Hi Gene, =20 The OPSAWG chairs agreed to allocate a time-slot in the OPSAWG section = of the meeting for this document. Please follow-up with them on the = details and most important please work with the other OPSAWG = participants in order to test their level of support and interest in = participating in this work, which will be the determinant factor in the = decision to adopt it (or not) as a WG item.=20 =20 Regards, =20 Dan =20 =20 =20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Gene Golovinsky [mailto:ggolovinsky@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 6:55 PM > To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); ops-area@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open=20 > meeting atIETF-83 >=20 > Hi. > I was requesting 10 min slot for > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-golovinsky-cloud-services-log-format- > 01 > from OPSAWG. They are reluctant to grant it without seeing some active = > discussion on the list and also probably because the agenda is packet=20 > as it is. > IMHO people have limited time for reading the drafts and the=20 > presentation can generate active discussion. > The draft itself lost a bit of a momentum due to inability of authors=20 > to attend several previous meetings. >=20 > If at all possible, I would really appreciate the opportunity to talk=20 > about the problem at hand and the possible solution. >=20 > Thanks. > --Gene >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: ops-area-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ops-area-bounces@ietf.org] On=20 > Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 08:56 AM > To: ops-area@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open=20 > meeting > atIETF-83 >=20 > Hi, >=20 > We did not receive until now any requests for agenda time at the=20 > OPSAREA WG meeting. >=20 > By now we have only the open microphone session on the agenda. >=20 > Unless we receive any request in the next few days we may end up the=20 > meeting early or donate time to the OPSAWG if they need it. >=20 > Thanks and Regards, >=20 > Dan and Ron >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ops-area-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ops-area-bounces@ietf.org] On > > Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 6:06 PM > > To: ops-area@ietf.org > > Subject: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open > meeting > > atIETF-83 > > > > IETF-83 is only two month away. We are planning again for a joint=20 > > OPSAWG and OPSAREA open meeting, with the OPSAWG work items driving=20 > > most of the agenda. The more general cross-area items or those > related > > to the relation between work in the area and work out of the IETF=20 > > should be part of the OPSAREA section. Please send us your requests=20 > > for presentation and discussion slots. > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > Dan and Ron > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OPS-AREA mailing list > > OPS-AREA@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area > _______________________________________________ > OPS-AREA mailing list > OPS-AREA@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area =20 _______________________________________________ OPS-AREA mailing list OPS-AREA@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area ------_=_NextPart_001_01CD05C5.FCE0FC31 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Fan = Peng,

 

Thank = you for your message but I do not think that using time in the OPSAREA = meeting for discussions about an I-D that did not gather enough interest = and momentum in the OPSAWG (or other WGs in the area) would be a good = thing. I suggest that you talk again with the OPSAWG chairs and ask that = your document be included at the end of the agenda of the OPSAWG if = there is time available. In the meantime I would recommend that you use = the OPSAWG list to explain the problem that you are trying to address = with your I-D and the reasons for which you believe that it should be = addressed by the WG, so that the WG members have an opportunity to = express support.

 

Thanks = and Regards,

 

Dan

 

 

From:= = fanpeng [mailto:fanpeng@chinamobile.com]
Sent: Friday, March = 16, 2012 6:13 AM
To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); = ops-area@ietf.org
Subject: =B4=F0=B8=B4: = [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open meeting = atIETF-83

 

Hi Dan,

 

I = submitted a draft several days ago regarding IP/MPLS interruption = duration draft-fan-opsawg-transmission-interuption-00. I = requested a time slot in opsawg, but was told they tended only to = allocate a slot after the draft had shown interest in the mailing list. = This document was submitted shortly before the Mar 5 deadline, so I = guess I didn=A1=AFt = leave enough time for people to read it.

 

Although the industry may have some existing = perspectives on the matter of interruption duration =A8C for example = sub-50ms-outage-time requirement for physical transport layer =A8C we think the requirement = for IP/MPLS layer can be alleviated to some extent as long as = upper-level service connection is not affected to be broken. That is the = purpose of this document. To be more specific, we consider IP = interruption duration of 3 sec is ok for softswitch voice. =

 

We would like to hear comments about this problem = and initiate discussion among industry on how far the IP layer can = tolerate interruption while provide uninterrupted connection for = services. I really wish to have the chance to talk about this issue = during the meeting if the agenda is not so fully scheduled. 10 minutes = is enough if it is possible.

 

Thanks = and best regards,

 

Fan = Peng

 

 

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=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: = ops-area-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ops-area-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED Romascanu, Dan (Dan)

=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: = 2012=C4=EA3=D4=C215=C8=D5 = 2:01

=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Gene = Golovinsky; ops-area@ietf.org

=B3=AD=CB=CD: = opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org

=D6=F7=CC=E2: = Re: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open meeting = atIETF-83

 

Hi Gene,

 

The = OPSAWG chairs agreed to allocate a time-slot in the OPSAWG section of = the meeting for this document. Please follow-up with them on the details = and most important please work with the other OPSAWG participants in = order to test their level of support and interest in participating in = this work, which will be the determinant factor in the decision to adopt = it (or not) as a WG item.

 

Regards,

 

Dan

 

 

 

 

> = -----Original Message-----

> = From: Gene Golovinsky [mailto:ggolovinsky@gmail.com]

> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 6:55 = PM

> To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); = ops-area@ietf.org

> Subject: = RE: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open =

> meeting = atIETF-83

>

> Hi.

> = I was requesting 10 min slot for

> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-golovinsky-cloud-services-log-for= mat-

> 01

> from OPSAWG. They are reluctant to grant it = without seeing some active

> = discussion on the list and also probably because the agenda is packet =

> as it is.

> IMHO people have limited time for reading the = drafts and the

> presentation = can generate active discussion.

> The draft itself lost a bit of a momentum due = to inability of authors

> to = attend several previous meetings.

>

> If = at all possible, I would really appreciate the opportunity to talk =

> about the problem at hand = and the possible solution.

> =

> Thanks.

> --Gene

>

> =

> -----Original = Message-----

> From: = ops-area-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ops-area-bounces@ietf.org] On =

> Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan = (Dan)

> Sent: Monday, March 12, = 2012 08:56 AM

> To: = ops-area@ietf.org

> Subject: = Re: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open =

> meeting

> atIETF-83

>

> = Hi,

>

> We did not receive until now any requests for = agenda time at the

> OPSAREA = WG meeting.

>

> By now we have only the open microphone = session on the agenda.

> =

> Unless we receive any = request in the next few days we may end up the

> meeting early or donate time to the OPSAWG if = they need it.

> =

> Thanks and = Regards,

>

> Dan and Ron

>

> =

>

>

> =

> > -----Original = Message-----

> > From: = ops-area-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:ops-area-bounces@ietf.org]

On

> > = Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan)

> > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 6:06 = PM

> > To: = ops-area@ietf.org

> > = Subject: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA = open

> meeting

> > atIETF-83

> >

> > IETF-83 is only two month away. We are = planning again for a joint

> = > OPSAWG and OPSAREA open meeting, with the OPSAWG work items driving =

> > most of the agenda. The = more general cross-area items or those

> related

> > to the relation between work in the area = and work out of the IETF

> = > should be part of the OPSAREA section. Please send us your requests =

> > for presentation and = discussion slots.

> = >

> > Thanks and = Regards,

> = >

> > Dan and = Ron

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > = _______________________________________________

> > OPS-AREA mailing list

> > OPS-AREA@ietf.org

> > https://www.ietf.= org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area

> = _______________________________________________

> OPS-AREA mailing list

> OPS-AREA@ietf.org

> https://www.ietf.= org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area

 

_______________________________________________=

OPS-AREA mailing list

OPS-AREA@ietf.org

https://www.ietf.= org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area

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[64.39.108.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x1sm12097380pbp.50.2012.03.19.14.15.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:15:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Gene Golovinsky" To: "'Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)'" , References: <047b01cd0070$cc92ead0$65b8c070$@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:15:35 -0700 Message-ID: <019201cd0615$6db2d9d0$49188d70$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQKp9gzScVmO9f6CZZ6FWtHu1iQs5AIg9XzeAX7yeXECANWdrpSLODnA Content-Language: en-us Cc: opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open meeting atIETF-83 X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 21:15:39 -0000 Hello OPSAWG chairs. I truly appreciate the opportunity to discuss the draft. I believe the work is important. Dan suggested that I need to follow up on the details. Please let me know what I need to do and what details I need to be aware off. Many thanks. --Gene -----Original Message----- From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:01 AM To: Gene Golovinsky; ops-area@ietf.org Cc: Ronald Bonica; Benoit Claise; opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: RE: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open meeting atIETF-83 Hi Gene, The OPSAWG chairs agreed to allocate a time-slot in the OPSAWG section of the meeting for this document. Please follow-up with them on the details and most important please work with the other OPSAWG participants in order to test their level of support and interest in participating in this work, which will be the determinant factor in the decision to adopt it (or not) as a WG item. Regards, Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: Gene Golovinsky [mailto:ggolovinsky@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 6:55 PM > To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); ops-area@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open > meeting atIETF-83 > > Hi. > I was requesting 10 min slot for > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-golovinsky-cloud-services-log-format- > 01 > from OPSAWG. They are reluctant to grant it without seeing some active > discussion on the list and also probably because the agenda is packet > as it is. > IMHO people have limited time for reading the drafts and the > presentation can generate active discussion. > The draft itself lost a bit of a momentum due to inability of authors > to attend several previous meetings. > > If at all possible, I would really appreciate the opportunity to talk > about the problem at hand and the possible solution. > > Thanks. > --Gene > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ops-area-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ops-area-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 08:56 AM > To: ops-area@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open > meeting > atIETF-83 > > Hi, > > We did not receive until now any requests for agenda time at the > OPSAREA WG meeting. > > By now we have only the open microphone session on the agenda. > > Unless we receive any request in the next few days we may end up the > meeting early or donate time to the OPSAWG if they need it. > > Thanks and Regards, > > Dan and Ron > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ops-area-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ops-area-bounces@ietf.org] On > > Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 6:06 PM > > To: ops-area@ietf.org > > Subject: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open > meeting > > atIETF-83 > > > > IETF-83 is only two month away. We are planning again for a joint > > OPSAWG and OPSAREA open meeting, with the OPSAWG work items driving > > most of the agenda. The more general cross-area items or those > related > > to the relation between work in the area and work out of the IETF > > should be part of the OPSAREA section. Please send us your requests > > for presentation and discussion slots. > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > Dan and Ron > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OPS-AREA mailing list > > OPS-AREA@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area > _______________________________________________ > OPS-AREA mailing list > OPS-AREA@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area From dromasca@avaya.com Sun Mar 25 02:16:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ops-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ops-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3702421F8593; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 02:16:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.368 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.368 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.231, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6Ihr0aT+yDKH; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 02:16:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com (co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.13.100]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA6C21F858E; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 02:16:57 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4EALXhbk+HCzI1/2dsb2JhbABDuCKBB4ILAQEDEh4KPxIBFRUGDAwHQBcBBAEaARmHaAucXJscimeFXmMEm3GKHIJpgVo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,315,1330923600"; d="scan'208";a="338849972" Received: from unknown (HELO p-us1-erheast.us1.avaya.com) ([135.11.50.53]) by co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 25 Mar 2012 05:16:56 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.13]) by p-us1-erheast-out.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP; 25 Mar 2012 05:01:12 -0400 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 11:16:54 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: SCIM BOF Thread-Index: Ac0KaAWHYjtGgrA0T2iXQQUENZ087Q== From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: , Cc: Peter Saint-Andre Subject: [OPS-AREA] SCIM BOF X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 09:16:58 -0000 Please pay attention to the SCIM BOF happening this week.=20 http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/agenda/agenda-83-scim.txt http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/scim/current/msg00137.html There seem to be relevant operational aspects to be taken into consideration, and input to be provided. It would be good to have folks from OPS attending. We can also discuss it shortly in the OPS-DIR meeting tomorrow if there is time.=20 Dan From ggolovinsky@gmail.com Sun Mar 25 23:58:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ops-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ops-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9B4421E8082 for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:58:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sV4UzzS9rjbC for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:58:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-f178.google.com (mail-wi0-f178.google.com [209.85.212.178]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 558C721E8034 for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:58:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wibhq7 with SMTP id hq7so3264947wib.13 for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:58:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=zDl0G5clCf74EWV6PNp0GvI9JahN2WSoQB0BOZ41czQ=; b=eY6N92eWCP28ibgYuc0gbZlNKFV5RD1S+dr5PiZC6Vh8itw4IafZ7/+AxbEBE2awQO 12wthn0Lb7v3ereOdHU4DTuTFJJu7MnVlxnwmWknuFj9qqdIdwXGxRzO9c8HeKDcfjm9 JKk8NilphhjfEKoYQjfiAcRW+8WYVAcVDw7ZUyCZPJDwZaFc+tmVMonihKmZRAax/I2h 7B6Ys7g1AzXGbwhUWjW6fCzFv7cf1b53TS30XNhvhIjtXrNtc45cvJOTYOIbi52wC68n WVIiicOh1eO44bTXS2edmV+FFxfPSu1TQmZjHRYfW2gfoSHF4v+3ka8TZbNSAmNOlOJW 0+HA== Received: by 10.216.135.223 with SMTP id u73mr11607379wei.117.1332745096220; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 82218T420A (dhcp-1046.meeting.ietf.org. [130.129.16.70]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k6sm38579761wie.9.2012.03.25.23.58.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:58:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "Gene Golovinsky" To: "'Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)'" , References: <047b01cd0070$cc92ead0$65b8c070$@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:58:17 -0700 Message-ID: <01be01cd0b1d$d3543240$79fc96c0$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 thread-index: AQKp9gzScVmO9f6CZZ6FWtHu1iQs5AIg9XzeAX7yeXECANWdrpSVSIjQ Content-Language: en-us Cc: opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open meeting atIETF-83 X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 06:58:18 -0000 Dear all. I don't seem to be able to find the topic on the agenda. Am I just not seeing it or it is not there? I am looking at Wed 9.00 AM session, right? Thanks. --Gene -----Original Message----- From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:01 AM To: Gene Golovinsky; ops-area@ietf.org Cc: Ronald Bonica; Benoit Claise; opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: RE: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open meeting atIETF-83 Hi Gene, The OPSAWG chairs agreed to allocate a time-slot in the OPSAWG section of the meeting for this document. Please follow-up with them on the details and most important please work with the other OPSAWG participants in order to test their level of support and interest in participating in this work, which will be the determinant factor in the decision to adopt it (or not) as a WG item. Regards, Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: Gene Golovinsky [mailto:ggolovinsky@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 6:55 PM > To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); ops-area@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open > meeting atIETF-83 > > Hi. > I was requesting 10 min slot for > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-golovinsky-cloud-services-log-format- > 01 > from OPSAWG. They are reluctant to grant it without seeing some active > discussion on the list and also probably because the agenda is packet > as it is. > IMHO people have limited time for reading the drafts and the > presentation can generate active discussion. > The draft itself lost a bit of a momentum due to inability of authors > to attend several previous meetings. > > If at all possible, I would really appreciate the opportunity to talk > about the problem at hand and the possible solution. > > Thanks. > --Gene > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ops-area-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ops-area-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 08:56 AM > To: ops-area@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open > meeting > atIETF-83 > > Hi, > > We did not receive until now any requests for agenda time at the > OPSAREA WG meeting. > > By now we have only the open microphone session on the agenda. > > Unless we receive any request in the next few days we may end up the > meeting early or donate time to the OPSAWG if they need it. > > Thanks and Regards, > > Dan and Ron > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ops-area-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ops-area-bounces@ietf.org] On > > Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 6:06 PM > > To: ops-area@ietf.org > > Subject: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open > meeting > > atIETF-83 > > > > IETF-83 is only two month away. We are planning again for a joint > > OPSAWG and OPSAREA open meeting, with the OPSAWG work items driving > > most of the agenda. The more general cross-area items or those > related > > to the relation between work in the area and work out of the IETF > > should be part of the OPSAREA section. Please send us your requests > > for presentation and discussion slots. > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > Dan and Ron > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OPS-AREA mailing list > > OPS-AREA@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area > _______________________________________________ > OPS-AREA mailing list > OPS-AREA@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area From ggolovinsky@gmail.com Sun Mar 25 23:59:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ops-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ops-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD73621E8082 for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:59:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vKzksrVlMsKl for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-we0-f172.google.com (mail-we0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B547221E8034 for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by werb10 with SMTP id b10so4750341wer.31 for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:59:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=2N+NQJaWDqOZkNjSoYz3L+wbXEyLsQsmiln+J2zGxPY=; b=Gwwe83odnKofi3FkLyQrcnKtDXufirc47MbmZItChkl5k6Uq+1j0bpH9iVqbAfOklI WMl8YC2HKiD3D+6KdOdQ1gzTbF/oYVZuSF4Z5c5eoRMf13NeH8T8csWAnpmRxKg0XLnX O3XrgT6g3vupVIXIcNPVxkiS3u0cede6QiRqV3yz3d/bTfBVfVXvn4q7mdRm1zFEwFDE ecbZknflN7puFSqjUwud+AaU1b8g7+MabTQverO9MoRzZVKiY5wtZeiU4ve3Kb+u/Cj9 XdBfw4RQ2y8S2kTY+chK816fEo3oROJqlsgSm2riW16p3aalOGc21Nkj0W6IlP7GTQ42 3bjA== Received: by 10.180.80.70 with SMTP id p6mr15682837wix.21.1332745151606; Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 82218T420A (dhcp-1046.meeting.ietf.org. [130.129.16.70]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ex2sm63383961wib.8.2012.03.25.23.59.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:59:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Gene Golovinsky" To: "'Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)'" , References: <047b01cd0070$cc92ead0$65b8c070$@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:59:13 -0700 Message-ID: <01da01cd0b1d$f4a53fc0$ddefbf40$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 thread-index: AQKp9gzScVmO9f6CZZ6FWtHu1iQs5AIg9XzeAX7yeXECANWdrpSVSIjQgAABOoA= Content-Language: en-us Cc: opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open meeting atIETF-83 X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 06:59:14 -0000 Sorry, never mind. Must be the jet leg. --Gene -----Original Message----- From: Gene Golovinsky [mailto:ggolovinsky@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 11:58 PM To: 'Romascanu, Dan (Dan)'; 'ops-area@ietf.org' Cc: 'Ronald Bonica'; 'Benoit Claise'; 'opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org' Subject: RE: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open meeting atIETF-83 Dear all. I don't seem to be able to find the topic on the agenda. Am I just not seeing it or it is not there? I am looking at Wed 9.00 AM session, right? Thanks. --Gene -----Original Message----- From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:01 AM To: Gene Golovinsky; ops-area@ietf.org Cc: Ronald Bonica; Benoit Claise; opsawg-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: RE: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open meeting atIETF-83 Hi Gene, The OPSAWG chairs agreed to allocate a time-slot in the OPSAWG section of the meeting for this document. Please follow-up with them on the details and most important please work with the other OPSAWG participants in order to test their level of support and interest in participating in this work, which will be the determinant factor in the decision to adopt it (or not) as a WG item. Regards, Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: Gene Golovinsky [mailto:ggolovinsky@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 6:55 PM > To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); ops-area@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open > meeting atIETF-83 > > Hi. > I was requesting 10 min slot for > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-golovinsky-cloud-services-log-format- > 01 > from OPSAWG. They are reluctant to grant it without seeing some active > discussion on the list and also probably because the agenda is packet > as it is. > IMHO people have limited time for reading the drafts and the > presentation can generate active discussion. > The draft itself lost a bit of a momentum due to inability of authors > to attend several previous meetings. > > If at all possible, I would really appreciate the opportunity to talk > about the problem at hand and the possible solution. > > Thanks. > --Gene > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ops-area-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ops-area-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 08:56 AM > To: ops-area@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open > meeting > atIETF-83 > > Hi, > > We did not receive until now any requests for agenda time at the > OPSAREA WG meeting. > > By now we have only the open microphone session on the agenda. > > Unless we receive any request in the next few days we may end up the > meeting early or donate time to the OPSAWG if they need it. > > Thanks and Regards, > > Dan and Ron > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ops-area-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ops-area-bounces@ietf.org] On > > Behalf Of Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 6:06 PM > > To: ops-area@ietf.org > > Subject: [OPS-AREA] Call for agenda items for the OPSAREA open > meeting > > atIETF-83 > > > > IETF-83 is only two month away. We are planning again for a joint > > OPSAWG and OPSAREA open meeting, with the OPSAWG work items driving > > most of the agenda. The more general cross-area items or those > related > > to the relation between work in the area and work out of the IETF > > should be part of the OPSAREA section. Please send us your requests > > for presentation and discussion slots. > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > Dan and Ron > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OPS-AREA mailing list > > OPS-AREA@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area > _______________________________________________ > OPS-AREA mailing list > OPS-AREA@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ops-area From ggalimbe@cisco.com Fri Mar 30 09:54:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ops-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ops-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE47E21F86C6 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 09:54:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.276, BAYES_00=-2.599, EXTRA_MPART_TYPE=1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, SARE_GIF_ATTACH=1.42] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y6sN6dcbgihx for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 09:54:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-2.cisco.com (ams-iport-2.cisco.com [144.254.224.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5021221F86B9 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 09:54:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=ggalimbe@cisco.com; l=10958; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1333126466; x=1334336066; h=mime-version:subject:date:message-id:from:to:cc; bh=2Gae4FQ4f3zCoCfThPrUI5KldaFIAeCnWRZKNzteezY=; b=aVUpyfw6fQ7r4b/KqTY3DdV81bs0emuj8mx5XwgYrKG+8nuA2mQJiHeA LiHy/qyYRXLI+kzMkSoQUqTgK4RruageCbb6wOFA94KnO91HlwJdLPDht GoYEgS6AEcklwBXf1RTdufHY0sPInOBqn35TdNru0fFoz0HeImMQ5IZcx I=; X-Files: image001.gif : 837 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgEFAFTkdU+Q/khM/2dsb2JhbABDglO2JoEHggsBBAUBDAEJCQgBAhkbFQ4EASUBAQECBhcBBwEFEAEDAgkgEgEEEgEGAhqHZ6AGlzQEinuCbYJBYwSMb4MelByBaIJpgVo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,345,1330905600"; d="gif'147?scan'147,208,217,147";a="69775602" Received: from ams-core-3.cisco.com ([144.254.72.76]) by ams-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 30 Mar 2012 16:54:24 +0000 Received: from xbh-ams-101.cisco.com (xbh-ams-101.cisco.com [144.254.74.71]) by ams-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q2UGsO3o012632; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 16:54:24 GMT Received: from xmb-ams-108.cisco.com ([144.254.74.83]) by xbh-ams-101.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 30 Mar 2012 18:54:24 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CD0E95.C28154B2" Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 18:54:22 +0200 Message-ID: <81F0A11BDDDF6C40B3D3F275DA15086E06DB48A8@XMB-AMS-108.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Feedbacks request on draft-galimbe-kunze-g-698-2-snmp-mib-02 Thread-Index: Ac0OlcG0cs9DKdwrReG8OXQgiw4+Dg== From: "Gabriele Maria Galimberti (ggalimbe)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2012 16:54:24.0164 (UTC) FILETIME=[C29DA640:01CD0E95] Cc: kam.lam@alcatel-lucent.com, Lou Berger , dbrungard@att.com, RKunze@telekom.de Subject: [OPS-AREA] Feedbacks request on draft-galimbe-kunze-g-698-2-snmp-mib-02 X-BeenThere: ops-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: OPS Area e-mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 16:54:28 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CD0E95.C28154B2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01CD0E95.C28154B2" ------_=_NextPart_002_01CD0E95.C28154B2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi OPSAWG members,=20 =20 After having discuss with Chris, we kindly request your feedbacks on the draft in object. 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Hi OPSAWG members,

 

After having discuss with Chris, we kindly request = your feedbacks on the draft in object.

This draft is focused on Optical Parameters = definition and proposes a SNMP MIB to manage them.

It has been already submitted and discussed in = ccamp, good feedbacks from the content point of view,

Nevertheless ccamp recommended to ask for comments = also from SNMP point of view.

In the document you can find the references to = G.698.2 (the ITU-T optical parameters recommendation)

And the kunze-g-698-2-management-control-framework = that explain in some way the usage of the MIB (and more).

 

Thanks a lot for the support.

 

Best Regards,

 

The authors.

 

 

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Gabriele Galimberti
Technical Leader
Cisco Photonics Srl

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Mobile :+39 335 7481947
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Well, its a long MIB. You should really not use a module name already in use and a module registration you do not own. I also strongly suggest to do an editorial pass over it to achieve a consistent layout and indentation. Tools tend to extract strings and they pay attention to indentation and such things. Is Integer32 always the right data type? Can you have negative power etc? The copyright says 2003 and the text says it is part of RFC 3591 and the ATOM WG. I think a serious editorial pass over the document is needed before this should be reviewed. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103