From joelja@bogus.com Thu Mar 5 10:41:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34BCE3A68DE for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:41:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.579 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.579 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.020, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xzeNpjwh7CVp for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:41:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421113A6A3F for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:41:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.103.16.237] ([192.103.16.237]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n25IgMLF065407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 18:42:24 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <49B01CF9.6050108@bogus.com> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 10:42:01 -0800 From: Joel Jaeggli User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: opsec wg mailing list X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/9074/Thu Mar 5 15:21:02 2009 on nagasaki.bogus.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [OPSEC] Agenda Deadline approaching... X-BeenThere: opsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: opsec wg mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:41:57 -0000 If you've got anything you'd like to see on there. then please send it to me... so far I've heard from: Vishwas and Manav Ran, who may or may not be able to make it. Fernando who probably can't but may have a presentation anyway. Thanks joel From root@core3.amsl.com Fri Mar 6 04:30:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsec@ietf.org Delivered-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 13B083A691D; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 04:30:01 -0800 (PST) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090306123002.13B083A691D@core3.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 04:30:02 -0800 (PST) Cc: opsec@ietf.org Subject: [OPSEC] I-D Action:draft-ietf-opsec-blackhole-urpf-01.txt X-BeenThere: opsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: opsec wg mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 12:30:02 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Operational Security Capabilities for IP Network Infrastructure Working Group of the IETF. Title : Remote Triggered Black Hole filtering with uRPF Author(s) : W. Kumari, D. McPherson Filename : draft-ietf-opsec-blackhole-urpf-01.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2009-03-06 Remote Triggered Black Hole (RTBH) filtering is a popular and effective technique for the mitigation of denial-of-service attacks. This document expands upon destination-based RTBH filtering by outlining a method to enable filtering by source address as well. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-opsec-blackhole-urpf-01.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-opsec-blackhole-urpf-01.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2009-03-06042900.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From root@core3.amsl.com Sun Mar 8 03:45:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsec@ietf.org Delivered-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id C7C593A69DD; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 03:45:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090308104501.C7C593A69DD@core3.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 03:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: opsec@ietf.org Subject: [OPSEC] I-D Action:draft-ietf-opsec-blackhole-urpf-02.txt X-BeenThere: opsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: opsec wg mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 10:45:01 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Operational Security Capabilities for IP Network Infrastructure Working Group of the IETF. Title : Remote Triggered Black Hole filtering with uRPF Author(s) : W. Kumari, D. McPherson Filename : draft-ietf-opsec-blackhole-urpf-02.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2009-03-08 Remote Triggered Black Hole (RTBH) filtering is a popular and effective technique for the mitigation of denial-of-service attacks. This document expands upon destination-based RTBH filtering by outlining a method to enable filtering by source address as well. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-opsec-blackhole-urpf-02.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-opsec-blackhole-urpf-02.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2009-03-08033727.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com Tue Mar 10 00:27:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40E7D28C11C for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 00:27:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.493 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.493 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.106, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vlxtRBIvmpyK for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 00:27:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-mx03.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.122.230]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E1DA28C0F8 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 00:27:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh106.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.213]) by mgw-mx03.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id n2A7Rvch030620; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:27:58 +0200 Received: from esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.183]) by esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:27:22 +0200 Received: from smtp.mgd.nokia.com ([65.54.30.7]) by esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:27:22 +0200 Received: from NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.86]) by nok-am1mhub-03.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.7]) with mapi; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:27:21 +0100 From: To: Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 08:27:22 +0100 Thread-Topic: Re: [OPSEC] draft-bhatia-manral-igp-crypto-requirements Thread-Index: AcmhUacCfjTVHV0hRlyBLWokdcYd0g== Message-ID: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7727F1CB1A8B@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Mar 2009 07:27:22.0192 (UTC) FILETIME=[A6EFB500:01C9A151] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: tim.polk@nist.gov Subject: Re: [OPSEC] draft-bhatia-manral-igp-crypto-requirements X-BeenThere: opsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: opsec wg mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 07:27:29 -0000 Folks, Some folks have asked us off-list if this is a new normative IETF Security Area policy about cryptographic algorithms, and if it is, why it comes from the area directors instead of, say, SAAG (IETF's Security Area Advisory Group) or CFRG (IRTF's Crypto Forum Research Group). So, to clarify: this is *not* an IETF security area policy; this was our (Pasi's and Tim's) personal advice to a specific question whether adding HMAC-SHA1 support to routing protocols that currently only support MD5-based MACs makes sense or is waste of time (either because MD5 is good enough for MACs, or because SHA1-based MACs are not good enough). Our opinion is a qualified "yes": it's better to get rid of MD5, and adding support for e.g. HMAC-SHA1 (which we think will be OK for long time) makes sense *if* at the same time we can do other improvements. These could include taking a look at the algorithm agility parts of the protocols (so that adding new MACs in the future will be less painful, and making sure we can support non-hash-based MACs), making sure we can do key rollovers without tearing down sessions, improving MAC coverage, improving replay protection, and so on. Most of these benefits are not specifically about HMAC-SHA1, and adding support for some other good MAC could be done instead. The IETF does not have any official policy on what MACs are good and what are not, but going forward, we'd recommend considering non-hash based MACs, too (so phrasing the situation as MD5 vs. SHA1 is not really accurate if the protocols really need a MAC, not a hash). On the other hand, in any given protocol the use of MD5 might not be currently the weakest link. And if your secret key is something network administrators can easily remember and type in (as opposed to copy-pasting from somewhere), it's probably also trivial to discover by brute force. So when considering adding features to routing protocols, new hash or MAC algorithms may not necessarily be the highest priority. For those who would be interested in having a more comprehensive IETF-wide policy about hash algorithms, some folks at CFRG are currently thinking about writing something (perhaps an update to RFC 4270 or something else). Interested folks might want to contact the CFRG chairs and exchange ideas at IETF74. Best regards, Pasi & Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: Vishwas Manral > Sent: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:09:05 -0800 > To: opsec wg mailing list > Sent: 24 February, 2009 19:12 > Subject: [OPSEC] draft-bhatia-manral-igp-crypto-requirements > > > Hi folks, > > We now have got some clear guidance regarding this document from the > Security AD's regarding the cryptographic algorithms (Joel has been > privy to those mails). The guidance seems to second what Hugo and > other cryptographers have been stating all along. The crux of what > has been said is: > > MD5 should not be used for crypto purposes. SHA-1 though stronger is > also vulnerable. HMAC-MD5 though not yet vulnerable looks highly > suspect and should not be reccomended. HMAC-SHA-1 for now looks ok > and can be reccomended. Goinf forward we should try to reccomend the > SHA-2 family of protocols. > > With these clear guidances matching what we have in our documents, I > would like to ask the working group to look into this document > further. We can then look at getting this as a WG document. > > Thanks, > Vishwas From vishwas.ietf@gmail.com Tue Mar 10 09:03:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BF5B3A6AD6 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:03:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R5yguaaqI9Yr for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:03:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57C763A6954 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:03:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1764028yxm.49 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:04:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6QlagiuXKiJceJpRUSSEDQF8S7DtnPDnZxXvbZ9dHf4=; b=Hw35izmPYXbaqteQ8yeVILcfYQTllIyUzy9BUozN6XWK16mOPmtbiupKJGEkhmpHve InSlsRpCgu7CUGogQZrCPQwFhNhWrRdi27BShpjfnn6uRcd02F8zkdt1cEG31+yxYaD+ HR8F+W3ll4E93ox1pDQICE3ZDeg/LfS72OoO4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=sI5rjc2RITpHD/R5hot8my4ZvojxcZ+fJ+26Z6btwApkylQoyj4EQ5lMtcoGmCXaTS mWqb1h8wisc6JlkksRWUdb6ZCvTQ2syH93OVVmEI03QTYFTNj/W3QJIxKEbNTaMkn0yX 8gxjchk+k4jgZbFzoorNyZ9ZCoGAxpljJSDv0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.39.16 with SMTP id r16mr3142253wfj.249.1236701048709; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:04:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7727F1CB1A8B@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> References: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7727F1CB1A8B@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:04:08 -0700 Message-ID: <77ead0ec0903100904u40f714b6t495656ca79db6c4b@mail.gmail.com> From: Vishwas Manral To: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: tim.polk@nist.gov, opsec@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSEC] draft-bhatia-manral-igp-crypto-requirements X-BeenThere: opsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: opsec wg mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:03:35 -0000 Hi Pasi, Thanks a lot for clarifying this further. I will probably try to meet you if I can make it to the IETF this time over. Thanks again, Vishwas On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 12:27 AM, wrote: > Folks, > > Some folks have asked us off-list if this is a new normative IETF > Security Area policy about cryptographic algorithms, and if it is, why > it comes from the area directors instead of, say, SAAG (IETF's > Security Area Advisory Group) or CFRG (IRTF's Crypto Forum Research > Group). > > So, to clarify: this is *not* an IETF security area policy; this was > our (Pasi's and Tim's) personal advice to a specific question whether > adding HMAC-SHA1 support to routing protocols that currently only > support MD5-based MACs makes sense or is waste of time (either because > MD5 is good enough for MACs, or because SHA1-based MACs are not good > enough). > > Our opinion is a qualified "yes": it's better to get rid of MD5, and > adding support for e.g. HMAC-SHA1 (which we think will be OK for long > time) makes sense *if* at the same time we can do other improvements. > These could include taking a look at the algorithm agility parts of > the protocols (so that adding new MACs in the future will be less > painful, and making sure we can support non-hash-based MACs), making > sure we can do key rollovers without tearing down sessions, improving > MAC coverage, improving replay protection, and so on. > > Most of these benefits are not specifically about HMAC-SHA1, and > adding support for some other good MAC could be done instead. =A0The > IETF does not have any official policy on what MACs are good and what > are not, but going forward, we'd recommend considering non-hash based > MACs, too (so phrasing the situation as MD5 vs. SHA1 is not really > accurate if the protocols really need a MAC, not a hash). > > On the other hand, in any given protocol the use of MD5 might not be > currently the weakest link. And if your secret key is something > network administrators can easily remember and type in (as opposed to > copy-pasting from somewhere), it's probably also trivial to discover > by brute force. So when considering adding features to routing > protocols, new hash or MAC algorithms may not necessarily be the > highest priority. > > For those who would be interested in having a more comprehensive > IETF-wide policy about hash algorithms, some folks at CFRG are > currently thinking about writing something (perhaps an update to RFC > 4270 or something else). Interested folks might want to contact the > CFRG chairs and exchange ideas at IETF74. > > Best regards, > Pasi & Tim > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Vishwas Manral >> Sent: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:09:05 -0800 >> To: opsec wg mailing list >> Sent: 24 February, 2009 19:12 >> Subject: [OPSEC] draft-bhatia-manral-igp-crypto-requirements >> >> >> Hi folks, >> >> We now have got some clear guidance regarding this document from the >> Security AD's regarding the cryptographic algorithms (Joel has been >> privy to those mails). The guidance seems to second what Hugo and >> other cryptographers have been stating all along. The crux of what >> has been said is: >> >> MD5 should not be used for crypto purposes. SHA-1 though stronger is >> also vulnerable. HMAC-MD5 though not yet vulnerable looks highly >> suspect and should not be reccomended. HMAC-SHA-1 for now looks ok >> and can be reccomended. Goinf forward we should try to reccomend the >> SHA-2 family of protocols. >> >> With these clear guidances matching what we have in our documents, I >> would like to ask the working group to look into this document >> further. We can then look at getting this as a WG document. >> >> Thanks, >> Vishwas > _______________________________________________ > OPSEC mailing list > OPSEC@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsec > From joelja@bogus.com Tue Mar 10 13:56:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E08F63A6A6D for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:56:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.586 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.586 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1cZLsqQOi+fv for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:56:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEBD63A6A55 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:56:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.103.16.150] ([192.103.16.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2AKvMvf019139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:57:22 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <49B6D41A.9010304@bogus.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:56:58 -0700 From: Joel Jaeggli User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: opsec wg mailing list X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/9084/Tue Mar 10 07:11:13 2009 on nagasaki.bogus.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [OPSEC] question about attendance at ietf 74 X-BeenThere: opsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: opsec wg mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:56:50 -0000 Can I get a virtual show of hands on how many people are planning be in SF? Also if you are one of the folks that had asked for a slot on the agenda and won't be attending, would you be open to the idea of presenting remotely? probably this would be via a conference bridge. contact me offlist. thanks joel From merike@doubleshotsecurity.com Tue Mar 10 14:02:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FD593A693F for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:02:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id doAKaDrBnOdw for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:02:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9CB53A6850 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:02:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.66.51] ([65.102.159.229]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id n2AL2nQt003537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:02:50 -0700 In-Reply-To: <49B6D41A.9010304@bogus.com> References: <49B6D41A.9010304@bogus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5107DCC3-BAB2-4DDA-95F9-93F253D97036@doubleshotsecurity.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Merike Kaeo Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:03:22 -0700 To: Joel Jaeggli X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Cc: opsec wg mailing list Subject: Re: [OPSEC] question about attendance at ietf 74 X-BeenThere: opsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: opsec wg mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:02:17 -0000 I'll be there....and should have caught up on my reading well enough to comment on some of the items. - merike On Mar 10, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > Can I get a virtual show of hands on how many people are planning > be in SF? > > Also if you are one of the folks that had asked for a slot on the > agenda > and won't be attending, would you be open to the idea of presenting > remotely? probably this would be via a conference bridge. contact me > offlist. > > thanks > joel > > _______________________________________________ > OPSEC mailing list > OPSEC@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsec > From vishwas.ietf@gmail.com Tue Mar 10 15:38:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A06A3A6844 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:38:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aBMIhsPRCYxl for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:38:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 351253A676A for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:38:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1969252yxm.49 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:38:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=zpntZvcgOkkZuZX/Oq09GEkwCxGu0cvVIvBXZolVSSk=; b=PkVIM/xcKOpbv8j4bbRBwBExIn1h+QGkzLqXXMnM/oz65FmkUurORt+QJ77cBWv8nv 02PuWejoFPTO6SeXhBwvaczZvtFzehmrxQoEqxHg78rU6+OaooYT2Qvot8fcEESijrWe 0mXJTHQ96buh444ahmz63ESl0QgHhrvQluZYc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=pyL7RvUAnDT9//sWG04rvYXAzwLZWM4SpxE1Wf9iAZ+BUhkLN/pD5pfTxCoCx33JoG BflYk4uFHJQYKl0seuFLlCCMogBDolFO09ixvxlp/SM+A0rt73x//SGSupxqC/QKFIFX D7cahSDLv2AttIl2810sXwesQBzbUjCDphy5c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.241.10 with SMTP id o10mr3309223wfh.275.1236724716019; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:38:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5107DCC3-BAB2-4DDA-95F9-93F253D97036@doubleshotsecurity.com> References: <49B6D41A.9010304@bogus.com> <5107DCC3-BAB2-4DDA-95F9-93F253D97036@doubleshotsecurity.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:38:36 -0700 Message-ID: <77ead0ec0903101538q235da508h7ad80d21c075045a@mail.gmail.com> From: Vishwas Manral To: Merike Kaeo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: opsec wg mailing list Subject: Re: [OPSEC] question about attendance at ietf 74 X-BeenThere: opsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: opsec wg mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:38:02 -0000 Hi Joel, I will try to be there though I have not decided it yet. Thanks, Vishwas On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Merike Kaeo wrote: > I'll be there....and should have caught up on my reading well enough to > comment on some of the items. > > - merike > > On Mar 10, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > >> Can I get a virtual show of hands on how many people are planning be in >> SF? >> >> Also if you are one of the folks that had asked for a slot on the agenda >> and won't be attending, would you be open to the idea of presenting >> remotely? probably this would be via a conference bridge. contact me >> offlist. >> >> thanks >> joel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OPSEC mailing list >> OPSEC@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsec >> > > _______________________________________________ > OPSEC mailing list > OPSEC@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsec > From sshen@huawei.com Tue Mar 10 18:16:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1E983A68C0 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:16:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.445 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.445 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.050, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fe52y7-CXK1k for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga03-in.huawei.com (unknown [119.145.14.66]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB2D43A6828 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:16:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga03-in [172.24.2.9]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0KGB00I9OI7O2K@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for opsec@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:16:36 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.33]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0KGB001GRI7OKT@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for opsec@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:16:36 +0800 (CST) Received: from s00102542 ([10.111.12.128]) by szxml06-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KGB0059KI7O1W@szxml06-in.huawei.com> for opsec@ietf.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:16:36 +0800 (CST) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:16:35 +0800 From: Sean Shen In-reply-to: <49B6D41A.9010304@bogus.com> To: 'opsec wg mailing list' Message-id: <00e501c9a1e7$05cdcae0$800c6f0a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcmhwtQLTHYa0XGnROiKNfjAchgFAwAJB97Q Subject: Re: [OPSEC] question about attendance at ietf 74 X-BeenThere: opsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: opsec wg mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:16:12 -0000 I will be there. >-----Original Message----- >From: opsec-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:opsec-bounces@ietf.org] >On Behalf Of Joel Jaeggli >Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 4:57 AM >To: opsec wg mailing list >Subject: [OPSEC] question about attendance at ietf 74 > >Can I get a virtual show of hands on how many people are >planning be in SF? > >Also if you are one of the folks that had asked for a slot on >the agenda and won't be attending, would you be open to the >idea of presenting remotely? probably this would be via a >conference bridge. contact me offlist. > >thanks >joel > >_______________________________________________ >OPSEC mailing list >OPSEC@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsec From ietfdbh@comcast.net Tue Mar 10 19:02:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 167833A69EE for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:02:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.492 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.492 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.107, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PlqBEqKiskgC for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:02:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.48]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD453A677C for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:02:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by QMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RYgJ1b00217dt5G55e3Sjj; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:03:26 +0000 Received: from Harrington73653 ([24.147.240.21]) by OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Re3S1b0090UQ6dC3Ze3SNM; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:03:26 +0000 From: "David Harrington" To: "'opsec wg mailing list'" References: <49B6D41A.9010304@bogus.com> <00e501c9a1e7$05cdcae0$800c6f0a@china.huawei.com> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:03:24 -0400 Message-ID: <099501c9a1ed$9024c620$0600a8c0@china.huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <00e501c9a1e7$05cdcae0$800c6f0a@china.huawei.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcmhwtQLTHYa0XGnROiKNfjAchgFAwAJB97QAAGj5aA= Subject: Re: [OPSEC] question about attendance at ietf 74 X-BeenThere: opsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: opsec wg mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:02:54 -0000 ditto. David Harrington dbharrington@comcast.net ietfdbh@comcast.net dharrington@huawei.com > -----Original Message----- > From: opsec-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:opsec-bounces@ietf.org] > On Behalf Of Sean Shen > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:17 PM > To: 'opsec wg mailing list' > Subject: Re: [OPSEC] question about attendance at ietf 74 > > I will be there. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: opsec-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:opsec-bounces@ietf.org] > >On Behalf Of Joel Jaeggli > >Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 4:57 AM > >To: opsec wg mailing list > >Subject: [OPSEC] question about attendance at ietf 74 > > > >Can I get a virtual show of hands on how many people are > >planning be in SF? > > > >Also if you are one of the folks that had asked for a slot on > >the agenda and won't be attending, would you be open to the > >idea of presenting remotely? probably this would be via a > >conference bridge. contact me offlist. > > > >thanks > >joel > > > >_______________________________________________ > >OPSEC mailing list > >OPSEC@ietf.org > >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsec > > _______________________________________________ > OPSEC mailing list > OPSEC@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsec > From warren@kumari.net Wed Mar 11 01:44:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045873A6A34 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:44:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GNZZS8uqg3Db for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:44:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lisa.kumari.net (smtp.kumari.net [216.177.58.220]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E033A67E5 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:44:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.8.199] (87-198-213-170.ptr.magnet.ie [87.198.213.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lisa.kumari.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D26672284037; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: From: Warren Kumari To: Joel Jaeggli In-Reply-To: <49B6D41A.9010304@bogus.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-972-755864308; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:45:01 +0000 References: <49B6D41A.9010304@bogus.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: opsec wg mailing list Subject: Re: [OPSEC] question about attendance at ietf 74 X-BeenThere: opsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: opsec wg mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:44:28 -0000 --Apple-Mail-972-755864308 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I unfortunately will not make it.... W On Mar 10, 2009, at 8:56 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > Can I get a virtual show of hands on how many people are planning be > in SF? > > Also if you are one of the folks that had asked for a slot on the > agenda > and won't be attending, would you be open to the idea of presenting > remotely? probably this would be via a conference bridge. contact me > offlist. > > thanks > joel > > _______________________________________________ > OPSEC mailing list > OPSEC@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsec --Apple-Mail-972-755864308 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIF5TCCAt0w ggHFoAMCAQICAQIwCwYJKoZIhvcNAQEFMGAxLjAsBgNVBAMMJVdhcnJlbiBLdW1hcmkncyBDZXJ0 aWZpY2F0ZSBBdXRob3JpdHkxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlVTMSEwHwYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhJ3a3VtYXJpQGdv b2dsZS5jb20wHhcNMDkwMTEzMDE0MTEzWhcNMTEwMjIwMDE0MTEzWjBQMR8wHQYDVQQDDBZ2cG4u ZG5zc2VjLWV4YW1wbGUuY29tMQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzEgMB4GCSqGSIb3DQEJARYRd2FycmVuQGt1 bWFyaS5uZXQwgZ8wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADgY0AMIGJAoGBALkaHLi+mSGuP7zrTKg+DBJODNRO Q57lqOIuWZNr7CkQXJrPWinVKRfffbP6Z1NOXZnNe7khxGv/mq2Qj4J7VEoPEnp3VLcKLawpxLMN 4VnbBFKOLlb+ui1Rs0lzfKrWlI/ecZe3q2AV8dyRlaRd3U23Qf7Oh7wKV1OhLEeyQS2dAgMBAAGj ODA2MDQGA1UdEQQtMCuBEXdhcnJlbkBrdW1hcmkubmV0ghZ2cG4uZG5zc2VjLWV4YW1wbGUuY29t MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAA4IBAQAXgT9iMlkHTv83Gjx2G6EvOi/zkzEKM7VSYfN3MjKPzaJF12bV xx5cHGHeLR/1gJlFz018dNsKlpdSH4c0NTqBxgr8Y8FOeN7XnZWY2x/2X47qKbrtQQqsZHGRqF7l eoMeUR/YsOMuz3aoIXSKXO5m46JGESUq65JOfFFj1V+QOYmFpK1BtM7FG5GYpLYo5SGKcyyOpY19 ULMMVj5PbmYf6B3w83Sb6JE1Ww77gLPXEF/nIrmTwF4Y38mkUwA6M2JsaryqqlNgRWAOLXAKhIXk wLIVWSnZMQcJQjr+kWO8JOQkX1TCbdIKquBCGZZyEOnxfsv4/Zhdq63+nSYf/dMfMIIDADCCAeig AwIBAgIBBDALBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUwYDEuMCwGA1UEAwwlV2FycmVuIEt1bWFyaSdzIENlcnRpZmlj YXRlIEF1dGhvcml0eTELMAkGA1UEBhMCVVMxITAfBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWEndrdW1hcmlAZ29vZ2xl LmNvbTAeFw0wOTAxMTMxNDM0MDdaFw0xMTAyMjAxNDM0MDdaMEcxFjAUBgNVBAMMDVdLIC0gVlBO IENlcnQxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlVTMSAwHgYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhF3YXJyZW5Aa3VtYXJpLm5ldDCBnzAN BgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOBjQAwgYkCgYEA7DL24PTWK0cxSNZkG8f36ONGbV5ZlDYaAcXIqeJ85sBc 63Gam1AjHOzg5TicvfY+0TxbBxR7DDVXT1Zs0idpM0TCH83lxto1gPiZIls7ijMDixPmZakP3oFJ eHfqw5QZPytYRrOrz8QSkak2Z13NjYEDewwaypr8nGXcZcbwI5UCAwEAAaNkMGIwCwYDVR0PBAQD AgSQMDUGA1UdJQQuMCwGCCsGAQUFBwMCBggrBgEFBQcDAQYHKwYBBQIDBAYHKwYBBQIDBQYEVR0l ADAcBgNVHREEFTATgRF3YXJyZW5Aa3VtYXJpLm5ldDANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFAAOCAQEAt7MNGeeK DMrhUQzkP3IyxmkCYUxlZmKEuA471Mj2rHMfBuU3nkGc4N80jFts7eILyhewgVDB7HhvmXCtB61o E/deBU2t5JqA+BkL+ddIbKsOcZdGaUR7NjqOY7XcYmOlwn5MQPPFJKBiXqUO+JmqOr4cEpeDDPNx wO5/6AJea7bAF7Mwv3lmCC/xU1AxEVy9Snqqf0y9sn44hWHV797Zc0TvBs9N1HFdJ/YFoLF/Pryd HhSMNZR/fnV09RsUd843WhLOqq1wqvmu/hx3QmOR5ApjK7X3NflDoDoPGp95TYD+0sMeVOFIibj1 F29BcQmTH34u1V2ry9sKrmd5anCCQDGCAlowggJWAgEBMGUwYDEuMCwGA1UEAwwlV2FycmVuIEt1 bWFyaSdzIENlcnRpZmljYXRlIEF1dGhvcml0eTELMAkGA1UEBhMCVVMxITAfBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEW EndrdW1hcmlAZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQIBBDAJBgUrDgMCGgUAoIIBSzAYBgkqhkiG9w0BCQMxCwYJKoZI hvcNAQcBMBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEPFw0wOTAzMTEwODQ1MDJaMCMGCSqGSIb3DQEJBDEWBBTniqH6 mugY3C0NHxRQAQrjEoYhPzB0BgkrBgEEAYI3EAQxZzBlMGAxLjAsBgNVBAMMJVdhcnJlbiBLdW1h cmkncyBDZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSBBdXRob3JpdHkxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlVTMSEwHwYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhJ3 a3VtYXJpQGdvb2dsZS5jb20CAQIwdgYLKoZIhvcNAQkQAgsxZ6BlMGAxLjAsBgNVBAMMJVdhcnJl biBLdW1hcmkncyBDZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSBBdXRob3JpdHkxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlVTMSEwHwYJKoZIhvcN AQkBFhJ3a3VtYXJpQGdvb2dsZS5jb20CAQIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQAEgYCpKbczNnHBpdIvHyX9 ldE3Z3oG05e2tBON2Cl84epQk1zPobI8NyOT/OrQFjsGEost17BzoJuraozikZab6D/hRc/Uf5WD LZnIP3S6wtPnkdzJCNv3nE/pkb9DzkhHJoLvLiK6Fqa/eo8P8qCKqzeekGhR2pWDxUyhm2X4wZDa 0AAAAAAAAA== --Apple-Mail-972-755864308-- From tseely@sprint.net Wed Mar 11 07:35:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA8C53A686A for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:35:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZFhzU-KG521M for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tin.res.sprintlink.net (ibogw-fw2.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.3]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AFAA3A67D2 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tin.res.sprintlink.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tin.res.sprintlink.net (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7) with ESMTP id n2BEaUdh025171 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (tseely@localhost) by tin.res.sprintlink.net (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/Submit) with ESMTP id n2BEaTfe025168 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:36:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: tin.res.sprintlink.net: tseely owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:36:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Ted Seely 999247311 X-X-Sender: tseely@tin To: opsec wg mailing list In-Reply-To: <49B6D41A.9010304@bogus.com> Message-ID: References: <49B6D41A.9010304@bogus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [OPSEC] question about attendance at ietf 74 X-BeenThere: opsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: opsec wg mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:35:59 -0000 not going to be there. On Tue, 10 Mar 2009, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > Can I get a virtual show of hands on how many people are planning be in SF? > > Also if you are one of the folks that had asked for a slot on the agenda > and won't be attending, would you be open to the idea of presenting > remotely? probably this would be via a conference bridge. contact me > offlist. > > thanks > joel > > _______________________________________________ > OPSEC mailing list > OPSEC@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsec > From jabley@hopcount.ca Wed Mar 11 08:21:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF8CC28C1E7 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:21:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EM-B97kCo+MU for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:21:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monster.hopcount.ca (monster.hopcount.ca [199.212.90.4]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC2D83A6AF2 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:21:19 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=monster; d=hopcount.ca; h=Received:Cc:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Pgp-Agent:X-Mailer; b=UuAzHSwu5Rlw7rOrZpOw/Jc1OuWOpJNxcpN9Go6fBbP1+4cIIBEV3SfrtL0klRjk3KUo9u1KeoEacmU5aSOtTtpwue9LcB/oe8r2a2La8/76Q7WmVGLOqmA0rBfHKqfr; Received: from [64.235.108.48] (helo=[192.168.182.38]) by monster.hopcount.ca with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LhQFl-0001RO-6x; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:21:53 +0000 Message-Id: <2EE1E94E-EECD-4065-B71F-3B7B16D2933D@hopcount.ca> From: Joe Abley To: Joel Jaeggli In-Reply-To: <49B6D41A.9010304@bogus.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-9-779644983" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:21:22 -0400 References: <49B6D41A.9010304@bogus.com> X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.2.0 (v56) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Cc: opsec wg mailing list Subject: Re: [OPSEC] question about attendance at ietf 74 X-BeenThere: opsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: opsec wg mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:21:20 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-9-779644983 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 10-Mar-2009, at 16:56, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > Can I get a virtual show of hands on how many people are planning be > in SF? > > Also if you are one of the folks that had asked for a slot on the > agenda > and won't be attending, would you be open to the idea of presenting > remotely? probably this would be via a conference bridge. contact me > offlist. Given the responses so far, and with the proviso that I haven't coordinated this question with Joel at all: If it turns out that the bulk of those presenting will not be physically present, and that attendance by potential reviewers is also potentially low, should we think about releasing our slot at the meeting? I think there is a lot to be said for in-person meetings, but the idea of taking up a slot in a busy meeting to hold what might wind up being functionally near-identical to a conference call seems slightly silly. Two alternatives to an in-person meeting at this particular point in time are some energetic marshalling of discussion of the active documents on this list, and arranging one or more conference calls if it is felt that a timed event is more likely to yield useful work. I have no great bias in any particular direction, but it seems sensible to ask the question. I will be in San Francisco for IETF 74, to answer Joel's question :-) Joe --Apple-Mail-9-779644983 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkm31vIACgkQNI8MvYZSOixo4QCfbSyGNbI4pnObT8BuM+q2AFAY VNUAn08reWCMB3bfetjw9bf7k39+ATIq =mfmr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-9-779644983-- From christopher.morrow@gmail.com Wed Mar 11 08:33:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6729A3A69C4 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:33:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sD5xPZ1NsKbg for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:33:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.28]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87FB33A696A for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:33:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 5so704261ywh.49 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:33:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xIv1kymLKkE1+clIUS5oJBh51xV1cfOctzAs8yvAnlE=; b=RXSOhZ4heQr1dzDWqY6U7EwslcvnGLHcNCCHOcz/Ocv2iDRFLREg23u+VYk2Vs7+9c JWr0tvsS4LBCxKxl/3kGfykpfLGr+V6Cu41qbKHOI7HwOUqB55gpoz2GAA4228TTtvL6 GuB1TtbG65b/wuFPfL5wJDV7iVmHBHfqrBa2k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=IbaihwQWxM7bm8SFyO/10p6gp2vxyS8Qkw6nDImv/4sZyLZWe+s1xG/kEYRx28Dt3E WKXPKKlf3sit3obiWkHU8HIHg7KN4Npcxsm0Zjz7Rfw7cuOMRRJUEkXUVy1xT3c4EhAk rnLGyUZT6swlSwBh1sz8sDINteRJCaXGtppDM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: christopher.morrow@gmail.com Received: by 10.100.214.15 with SMTP id m15mr5574149ang.44.1236785625708; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:33:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2EE1E94E-EECD-4065-B71F-3B7B16D2933D@hopcount.ca> References: <49B6D41A.9010304@bogus.com> <2EE1E94E-EECD-4065-B71F-3B7B16D2933D@hopcount.ca> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:33:45 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: bd29c2b4b788fab5 Message-ID: <75cb24520903110833l2fb9bac5k55ec99e435db4ae4@mail.gmail.com> From: Christopher Morrow To: Joe Abley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: opsec wg mailing list Subject: Re: [OPSEC] question about attendance at ietf 74 X-BeenThere: opsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: opsec wg mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:33:10 -0000 On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Joe Abley wrote: > > I have no great bias in any particular direction, but it seems sensible to > ask the question. > > I will be in San Francisco for IETF 74, to answer Joel's question :-) ...I should be there as well, provided there are no conflicts with other things... From Donald.Smith@qwest.com Wed Mar 11 09:05:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 782263A6B68 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:05:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LL59ae58GZ3k for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from suomp64i.qwest.com (suomp64i.qwest.com [155.70.16.237]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C34F3A6BCB for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from suomp61i.qintra.com (suomp61i.qintra.com [151.117.69.28]) by suomp64i.qwest.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id n2BG5fRu028853; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:05:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ITDENE2KSM01.AD.QINTRA.COM (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by suomp61i.qintra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id n2BG5Ra5005493; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:05:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from qtdenexhtm20.AD.QINTRA.COM ([151.119.91.229]) by ITDENE2KSM01.AD.QINTRA.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:05:32 -0600 Received: from qtdenexmbm24.AD.QINTRA.COM ([151.119.91.226]) by qtdenexhtm20.AD.QINTRA.COM ([151.119.91.229]) with mapi; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:05:31 -0600 From: "Smith, Donald" To: "'Joe Abley'" , "'Joel Jaeggli'" Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:05:30 -0600 Thread-Topic: [OPSEC] question about attendance at ietf 74 Thread-Index: AcmiXUXxX/uoGepeRSCvOgI6nRwwrwABeLag Message-ID: References: <49B6D41A.9010304@bogus.com> <2EE1E94E-EECD-4065-B71F-3B7B16D2933D@hopcount.ca> In-Reply-To: <2EE1E94E-EECD-4065-B71F-3B7B16D2933D@hopcount.ca> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2009 16:05:32.0303 (UTC) FILETIME=[347FE9F0:01C9A263] Cc: 'opsec wg mailing list' Subject: Re: [OPSEC] question about attendance at ietf 74 X-BeenThere: opsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: opsec wg mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:05:16 -0000 I won't be there but would like to attend remotely if that is possible:) (coffee !=3D sleep) & (!coffee =3D=3D sleep) Donald.Smith@qwest.com gcia =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: opsec-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:opsec-bounces@ietf.org]=20 > On Behalf Of Joe Abley > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 9:21 AM > To: Joel Jaeggli > Cc: opsec wg mailing list > Subject: Re: [OPSEC] question about attendance at ietf 74 >=20 >=20 > On 10-Mar-2009, at 16:56, Joel Jaeggli wrote: >=20 > > Can I get a virtual show of hands on how many people are=20 > planning be =20 > > in SF? > > > > Also if you are one of the folks that had asked for a slot on the =20 > > agenda > > and won't be attending, would you be open to the idea of presenting > > remotely? probably this would be via a conference bridge. contact me > > offlist. >=20 > Given the responses so far, and with the proviso that I haven't =20 > coordinated this question with Joel at all: >=20 > If it turns out that the bulk of those presenting will not be =20 > physically present, and that attendance by potential=20 > reviewers is also =20 > potentially low, should we think about releasing our slot at the =20 > meeting? >=20 > I think there is a lot to be said for in-person meetings, but=20 > the idea =20 > of taking up a slot in a busy meeting to hold what might wind=20 > up being =20 > functionally near-identical to a conference call seems slightly silly. >=20 > Two alternatives to an in-person meeting at this particular point in =20 > time are some energetic marshalling of discussion of the active =20 > documents on this list, and arranging one or more conference=20 > calls if =20 > it is felt that a timed event is more likely to yield useful work. >=20 > I have no great bias in any particular direction, but it seems =20 > sensible to ask the question. >=20 > I will be in San Francisco for IETF 74, to answer Joel's question :-) >=20 >=20 > Joe > = From manav@alcatel-lucent.com Wed Mar 11 11:17:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B6D3A684C for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:17:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VprTMXdawWhf for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smail5.alcatel.fr (smail5.alcatel.fr [62.23.212.27]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8131F3A6AA6 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:17:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB01.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB01.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.61]) by smail5.alcatel.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8/ICT) with ESMTP id n2BIHqFm008017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:18:07 +0100 Received: from INBANSXCHHUB01.in.alcatel-lucent.com (135.250.12.32) by FRMRSSXCHHUB01.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (135.120.45.61) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.340.0; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:17:54 +0100 Received: from INBANSXCHMBSA1.in.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.250.12.53]) by INBANSXCHHUB01.in.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.250.12.32]) with mapi; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:44:28 +0530 From: "Bhatia, Manav (Manav)" To: Joel Jaeggli , opsec wg mailing list Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:44:26 +0530 Thread-Topic: [OPSEC] question about attendance at ietf 74 Thread-Index: AcmhwuDUazS6iGqaT7WDbjvIBcfFsAAsj4rQ Message-ID: <7C362EEF9C7896468B36C9B79200D8357A6FB635@INBANSXCHMBSA1.in.alcatel-lucent.com> References: <49B6D41A.9010304@bogus.com> In-Reply-To: <49B6D41A.9010304@bogus.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 155.132.188.13 Subject: Re: [OPSEC] question about attendance at ietf 74 X-BeenThere: opsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: opsec wg mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:17:42 -0000 I am not planning to be in SF, and I don't mind attending it remotely. Cheers, Manav=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: opsec-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:opsec-bounces@ietf.org]=20 > On Behalf Of Joel Jaeggli > Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 2.27 AM > To: opsec wg mailing list > Subject: [OPSEC] question about attendance at ietf 74 >=20 > Can I get a virtual show of hands on how many people are=20 > planning be in SF? >=20 > Also if you are one of the folks that had asked for a slot on=20 > the agenda > and won't be attending, would you be open to the idea of presenting > remotely? probably this would be via a conference bridge. contact me > offlist. >=20 > thanks > joel >=20 > _______________________________________________ > OPSEC mailing list > OPSEC@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsec > = From joelja@bogus.com Wed Mar 11 11:37:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6658E28C13D for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:37:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.011, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gRuZZJ13SOV1 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:37:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 694B328C116 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:37:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.103.16.144] ([192.103.16.144]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2BIbcCB034071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:37:43 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <49B804D4.8000708@bogus.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:37:08 -0700 From: Joel Jaeggli User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Abley References: <49B6D41A.9010304@bogus.com> <2EE1E94E-EECD-4065-B71F-3B7B16D2933D@hopcount.ca> In-Reply-To: <2EE1E94E-EECD-4065-B71F-3B7B16D2933D@hopcount.ca> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/9093/Wed Mar 11 15:32:37 2009 on nagasaki.bogus.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: opsec wg mailing list Subject: Re: [OPSEC] question about attendance at ietf 74 X-BeenThere: opsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: opsec wg mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:37:12 -0000 Joe Abley wrote: > > On 10-Mar-2009, at 16:56, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > >> Can I get a virtual show of hands on how many people are planning be >> in SF? >> >> Also if you are one of the folks that had asked for a slot on the agenda >> and won't be attending, would you be open to the idea of presenting >> remotely? probably this would be via a conference bridge. contact me >> offlist. > > Given the responses so far, and with the proviso that I haven't > coordinated this question with Joel at all: Uncoordinated except for the fact that we previously discussed it... ;) > If it turns out that the bulk of those presenting will not be physically > present, and that attendance by potential reviewers is also potentially > low, should we think about releasing our slot at the meeting? If we take the sample present as a representative sample of the active participants we're at or under 50%, the salient point is we're at 25% of particpants who asked for presentation slots who will be able to attend. > I think there is a lot to be said for in-person meetings, but the idea > of taking up a slot in a busy meeting to hold what might wind up being > functionally near-identical to a conference call seems slightly silly. > > Two alternatives to an in-person meeting at this particular point in > time are some energetic marshalling of discussion of the active > documents on this list, and arranging one or more conference calls if it > is felt that a timed event is more likely to yield useful work. > > I have no great bias in any particular direction, but it seems sensible > to ask the question. indeed. > I will be in San Francisco for IETF 74, to answer Joel's question :-) > > > Joe From joelja@bogus.com Wed Mar 11 11:44:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E38B53A6B68 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:44:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.589 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.589 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 49sGKTfXEY0s for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D69B13A6A1D for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:44:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.103.16.144] ([192.103.16.144]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2BIijjG034138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:44:51 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <49B80698.7030604@bogus.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:44:40 -0700 From: Joel Jaeggli User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Abley References: <49B6D41A.9010304@bogus.com> <2EE1E94E-EECD-4065-B71F-3B7B16D2933D@hopcount.ca> <49B804D4.8000708@bogus.com> In-Reply-To: <49B804D4.8000708@bogus.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/9093/Wed Mar 11 15:32:37 2009 on nagasaki.bogus.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: opsec wg mailing list Subject: Re: [OPSEC] question about attendance at ietf 74 X-BeenThere: opsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: opsec wg mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:44:21 -0000 Joel Jaeggli wrote: > If we take the sample present as a representative sample of the active > participants we're at or under 50%, the salient point is we're at 25% of > particpants who asked for presentation slots who will be able to attend. I take that back, we're now at 50% in the later category. From joelja@bogus.com Wed Mar 11 14:23:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9047A3A6B56 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:23:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.59 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.59 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.009, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F8n1E4XD3yZI for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:23:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 978EB3A6915 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:23:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.103.16.144] ([192.103.16.144]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2BLOD0V035013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:24:18 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <49B82BF1.3060502@bogus.com> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:24:01 -0700 From: Joel Jaeggli User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: opsec wg mailing list X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/9093/Wed Mar 11 15:32:37 2009 on nagasaki.bogus.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [OPSEC] OPSEC agenda items... X-BeenThere: opsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: opsec wg mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:23:44 -0000 These are tentative items up for discussion in SF, The names are placeholders for the people that proposed them, not all the speakers are planning or able to attend. If I've pigeonholed you sorry, it's just what we have. Opsec IETF 74 Agenda (tenative) RJ Atkinson - practical active attacks on IGPs that some folks might not realise exist. Vishwas Manral and Manav Bhatia - draft-ietf-opsec-routing-protocols-crypto-issues-00 draft-bhatia-manral-igp-crypto-requirements Fernando Gont - draft-ietf-opsec-ip-security draft-ietf-opsec-icmp-filtering Chair - draft-ietf-opsec-blackhole-urpf-02 draft-ietf-opsec-blackhole-urpf-02 ought to be ready for working group last call at this point. From jabley@hopcount.ca Thu Mar 12 17:20:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28D7728C105 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:20:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lHO3v0j3BdSB for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monster.hopcount.ca (monster.hopcount.ca [199.212.90.4]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BA5E3A657C for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:20:41 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=monster; d=hopcount.ca; h=Received:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer; b=UEgberjUYAhQyEsHTLTaIV2CVdU+9AWt4ToiMsyQmPu4E/zid6kaFxkEoyK5hejQ9rK5+Dn6VfdEPrhAZ7wJ3N1+dBfnVNQOVTVFnpWcdPo6AKcsbuTEU+JzB3IVfojG; Received: from [199.212.90.13] (helo=calamari.hopcount.ca) by monster.hopcount.ca with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Lhv9I-000Kn3-8z for opsec@ietf.org; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:21:16 +0000 Message-Id: From: Joe Abley To: opsec wg mailing list In-Reply-To: <2EE1E94E-EECD-4065-B71F-3B7B16D2933D@hopcount.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:21:15 -0400 References: <49B6D41A.9010304@bogus.com> <2EE1E94E-EECD-4065-B71F-3B7B16D2933D@hopcount.ca> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: [OPSEC] clarity: opsec will meet in person at IETF 74 X-BeenThere: opsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: opsec wg mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:20:42 -0000 On 11 Mar 2009, at 11:21, Joe Abley wrote: > If it turns out that the bulk of those presenting will not be > physically present, and that attendance by potential reviewers is > also potentially low, should we think about releasing our slot at > the meeting? Joel and I discussed the agenda with our ADs by telephone earlier today. The in-person opsec meeting in San Francisco will proceed as planned. In addition: - since many will not be present (presenters and others), we will be making extra efforts to make the meeting easy to participate in remotely, details to follow; - in the event that the in-person meeting turns out to be inadequate, given the mixed local and remote participation, we can look at arranging an on-line interim meeting some time after IETF 74, based on what people think remains to be done (but did not get done) in SFO. Joe From joelja@bogus.com Wed Mar 18 13:46:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A674228C230 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:46:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.591 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.591 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.008, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BhsFEqaReRxt for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A920428C228 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.103.16.125] ([192.103.16.125]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2IKkiOJ068429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:46:45 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <49C15DA0.7070807@bogus.com> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:46:24 -0700 From: Joel Jaeggli User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: opsec wg mailing list X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/9131/Wed Mar 18 18:19:56 2009 on nagasaki.bogus.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [OPSEC] meeting administrivia... X-BeenThere: opsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: opsec wg mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:46:03 -0000 Anyone planning on presenting should send initial text or slides by sunday so that I can get it in the meeting tool. Bidirectional option for remote participants: In addition to jabber we'll deploy a conference bridge for remote participants: the salient details are: sip: conference@sipphone.com room number 54306360 pstn: +1 605 475 8515 room number 54306360 If you're international to the US I recommend the voip route, It's actually higher quality anyway. I haven't decided how mix that into the room audio yet, we have a couple of options it's depends on the mix of remote vs local users as to what makes the most sense. I had debated the use of webex for remote slide sharing, however the personal version only supports the windows platform and I no longer have an enterprise account, alternative suggestions will be taken. Thanks Joel From mcgrew@cisco.com Mon Mar 23 10:46:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0758F3A6BFD for ; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:46:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1XriKX8ZEhsi for ; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:46:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-1.cisco.com (sj-iport-1.cisco.com [171.71.176.70]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B4F3A6A8E for ; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:46:49 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.38,409,1233532800"; d="scan'208";a="160198950" Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 23 Mar 2009 17:47:38 +0000 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (sj-core-5.cisco.com [171.71.177.238]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n2NHldcK026982; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:47:39 -0700 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2NHlXZJ025679; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:47:38 GMT Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:47:37 -0400 Received: from dhcp-13b3.meeting.ietf.org ([10.86.242.5]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:47:36 -0400 Message-Id: <83D364FB-5C89-4DFD-BDCC-4E44BCCDDC65@cisco.com> From: David McGrew To: RJ Atkinson , opsec@ietf.org In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:47:34 -0700 References: <5F8E31B0-CD96-4ED1-83FD-883F0AD78657@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Mar 2009 17:47:36.0895 (UTC) FILETIME=[73FF7CF0:01C9ABDF] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1070; t=1237830459; x=1238694459; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim4002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=mcgrew@cisco.com; z=From:=20David=20McGrew=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20attacks=20on=20keyed-hash=20constructio ns |Sender:=20; bh=1pTBCqeEc22OE2rP9pvE3ylVTKmn7LoVobMaLjMbgjk=; b=pZtUY81EgTHQulrWA1/3EsceBtXVHdPGLgvK3NsO212gtDf34gB4kdwA1j RwbBWE9Y8VJL8e6XjLoFTYmzCWHjVZ1nY5I5vI3XVfpAUkeHNIk5T+5cJeD5 VEWP9KLqss; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=mcgrew@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim4002 verified; ); X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:53:23 -0700 Subject: Re: [OPSEC] attacks on keyed-hash constructions X-BeenThere: opsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: opsec wg mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:46:50 -0000 Hi Ran and Opsec, this CFRG draft on the requirements of Message Authentication Codes might be useful in this discussion: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-cfrg-fast-mac-requirements-01 It focuses on functional requirements, rather than security requirements. Comments would be welcome. David On Jan 5, 2009, at 11:52 AM, RJ Atkinson wrote: > OPsec Folks, > > David McGrew just posted a helpful note, with references, > to several other IETF/IRTF lists, partly in response to > a query I had made. > > Here is a URL to his note: > > > In the meantime, I have found a couple of papers that might be > relevant (likely some overlap with the ones that he cited in > his note above). I'll try to post references and a short > summary of what they seem to say after I get a chance to read them. > > So I think we're making some headway over time towards having > scientific data for the WG to evaluate. > > Cheers, > > Ran > rja@extremenetworks.com > > From joelja@bogus.com Tue Mar 24 10:37:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C655F3A6D24 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:37:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xYxlrqV12iXo for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:37:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D73483A6B55 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:37:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.19.80] (dhcp-1350.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.19.80]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2OHcJWq055764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:38:21 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <49C91A88.9050305@bogus.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:38:16 -0700 From: Joel Jaeggli User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090320) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: opsec wg mailing list X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/9159/Tue Mar 24 14:59:06 2009 on nagasaki.bogus.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [OPSEC] Current Agenda for meeting Tuesday 1710 PDT X-BeenThere: opsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: opsec wg mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:37:38 -0000 current agenda follows... Opsec IETF 74 Agenda Agenda Bashing RJ Atkinson (20 Min) practical active attacks on IGPs that some folks might not realise exist. Vishwas Manral and Manav Bhatia (20 Min) draft-ietf-opsec-routing-protocols-crypto-issues-00 draft-bhatia-manral-igp-crypto-requirements Chair (5) draft-ietf-opsec-blackhole-urpf-02 Fernando Gont (chair 5) draft-ietf-opsec-ip-security draft-gont-tcp-security draft-ietf-opsec-icmp-filtering I tested the conference bridge this morning and it appears to work adequately, we'll see, If you're planning on joining via that channel, can you let me know? the salient details are: sip: conference@sipphone.com room number 54306360 pstn: +1 605 475 8515 room number 54306360 From warren@kumari.net Tue Mar 24 17:10:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D74428C115 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:10:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3-RAMIqragHV for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-out.google.com (smtp-out.google.com [216.239.45.13]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 566573A6926 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wpaz21.hot.corp.google.com (wpaz21.hot.corp.google.com [172.24.198.85]) by smtp-out.google.com with ESMTP id n2P0BWHU030267; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:11:32 -0700 Received: from dhcp-172-29-124-174.ame.corp.google.com (dhcp-172-29-124-174.ame.corp.google.com [172.29.124.174]) (authenticated bits=0) by wpaz21.hot.corp.google.com with ESMTP id n2P0BTBa026531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:11:30 -0700 Message-Id: <771B7C0F-2F16-4DAE-A513-E601C18EF86B@kumari.net> From: Warren Kumari To: Joel Jaeggli In-Reply-To: <49C91A88.9050305@bogus.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-9--212832097; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:11:29 -0400 References: <49C91A88.9050305@bogus.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Cc: opsec wg mailing list Subject: Re: [OPSEC] Current Agenda for meeting Tuesday 1710 PDT X-BeenThere: opsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: opsec wg mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:10:48 -0000 --Apple-Mail-9--212832097 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mar 24, 2009, at 1:38 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > current agenda follows... > > Opsec IETF 74 Agenda > > Agenda Bashing > > RJ Atkinson (20 Min) > > practical active attacks on IGPs that some folks might not > realise exist. > > Vishwas Manral and Manav Bhatia (20 Min) > > draft-ietf-opsec-routing-protocols-crypto-issues-00 > > draft-bhatia-manral-igp-crypto-requirements > > Chair (5) > > draft-ietf-opsec-blackhole-urpf-02 > > Fernando Gont (chair 5) > > draft-ietf-opsec-ip-security > > draft-gont-tcp-security > > draft-ietf-opsec-icmp-filtering > > I tested the conference bridge this morning and it appears to work > adequately, we'll see, If you're planning on joining via that channel, > can you let me know? > > the salient details are: > > sip: > conference@sipphone.com > room number 54306360 > > pstn: > +1 605 475 8515 > room number 54306360 Is anyone having any luck with the conference? I get "invalid conference room number" W > > _______________________________________________ > OPSEC mailing list > OPSEC@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsec -- Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger. -- J.R.R. 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) id 1LmGmD-0004EH-Sp; Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:15:26 +0000 Message-Id: <8D8FD2DA-DFD2-43CB-AF7A-5BBED39B280D@hopcount.ca> From: Joe Abley To: Warren Kumari In-Reply-To: <771B7C0F-2F16-4DAE-A513-E601C18EF86B@kumari.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:15:23 -0700 References: <49C91A88.9050305@bogus.com> <771B7C0F-2F16-4DAE-A513-E601C18EF86B@kumari.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Cc: opsec wg mailing list Subject: Re: [OPSEC] Current Agenda for meeting Tuesday 1710 PDT X-BeenThere: opsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: opsec wg mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:14:39 -0000 On 24-Mar-2009, at 17:11, Warren Kumari wrote: >> the salient details are: >> >> sip: >> conference@sipphone.com >> room number 54306360 >> >> pstn: >> +1 605 475 8515 >> room number 54306360 > > Is anyone having any luck with the conference? I get "invalid > conference room number" Typo, sorry. Use 5430630. Joe From warren@kumari.net Tue Mar 24 17:17:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E0CE3A69CA for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:17:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7lbG6hlkauft for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:17:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-out.google.com (smtp-out.google.com [216.239.45.13]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E82F3A69E1 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:17:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zps76.corp.google.com (zps76.corp.google.com [172.25.146.76]) by smtp-out.google.com with ESMTP id n2P0IC5a024543; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:18:12 -0700 Received: from dhcp-172-29-124-174.ame.corp.google.com (dhcp-172-29-124-174.ame.corp.google.com [172.29.124.174]) (authenticated bits=0) by zps76.corp.google.com with ESMTP id n2P0I7fW008141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:18:10 -0700 Message-Id: From: Warren Kumari To: Joe Abley In-Reply-To: <8D8FD2DA-DFD2-43CB-AF7A-5BBED39B280D@hopcount.ca> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-10--212433568; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:18:07 -0400 References: <49C91A88.9050305@bogus.com> <771B7C0F-2F16-4DAE-A513-E601C18EF86B@kumari.net> <8D8FD2DA-DFD2-43CB-AF7A-5BBED39B280D@hopcount.ca> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Cc: opsec wg mailing list Subject: Re: [OPSEC] Current Agenda for meeting Tuesday 1710 PDT X-BeenThere: opsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: opsec wg mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:17:27 -0000 --Apple-Mail-10--212433568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mar 24, 2009, at 8:15 PM, Joe Abley wrote: > > On 24-Mar-2009, at 17:11, Warren Kumari wrote: > >>> the salient details are: >>> >>> sip: >>> conference@sipphone.com >>> room number 54306360 >>> >>> pstn: >>> +1 605 475 8515 >>> room number 54306360 >> >> Is anyone having any luck with the conference? I get "invalid >> conference room number" > > Typo, sorry. Use 5430630. Yay, works now... Voice quality is (understandably) horrid, but better than expected... W > > > > Joe > -- "Go on, prove me wrong. Destroy the fabric of the universe. 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Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090330161501.918F03A6AD6@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: opsec@ietf.org Subject: [OPSEC] I-D Action:draft-ietf-opsec-blackhole-urpf-03.txt X-BeenThere: opsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: opsec wg mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:15:01 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Operational Security Capabilities for IP Network Infrastructure Working Group of the IETF. Title : Remote Triggered Black Hole filtering with uRPF Author(s) : W. Kumari, D. McPherson Filename : draft-ietf-opsec-blackhole-urpf-03.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2009-03-30 Remote Triggered Black Hole (RTBH) filtering is a popular and effective technique for the mitigation of denial-of-service attacks. This document expands upon destination-based RTBH filtering by outlining a method to enable filtering by source address as well. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-opsec-blackhole-urpf-03.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-opsec-blackhole-urpf-03.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2009-03-30090751.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From A.Hoenes@tr-sys.de Mon Mar 30 14:05:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3C5B28C147 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:05:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.974 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.974 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.565, BAYES_05=-1.11, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oI96ezlbYFC4 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WOTAN.TR-Sys.de (gateway.tr-sys.de [213.178.172.147]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D63F23A6C9B for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:05:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ZEUS.TR-Sys.de by w. with ESMTP ($Revision: 1.37.109.26 $/16.3) id AA095907040; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 23:04:00 +0200 Received: (from ah@localhost) by z.TR-Sys.de (8.9.3 (PHNE_25183)/8.7.3) id XAA18237; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 23:03:50 +0200 (MESZ) From: Alfred =?hp-roman8?B?SM5uZXM=?= Message-Id: <200903302103.XAA18237@TR-Sys.de> To: warren@kumari.net, danny@arbor.net Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 23:03:50 +0200 (MESZ) X-Mailer: ELM [$Revision: 1.17.214.3 $] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=hp-roman8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: opsec@ietf.org Subject: [OPSEC] draft-ietf-opsec-blackhole-urpf-03 X-BeenThere: opsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: opsec wg mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:05:08 -0000 Authors, thanks for faithfully taking care of my change suggestions, leading to draft-ietf-opsec-blackhole-urpf-03 . Quickly following up to this version, I only got stuck at a minor formatting flaw in Section 4.2, where the table in step 7.2 is poorly formatted. (This could be deferred to the RFC Editor.) Otherwise, I have no more 'complaints'. :-) I now recommend going ahead with this draft for RFC publication. Kind regards, Alfred HÎnes. -- +------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ | TR-Sys Alfred Hoenes | Alfred Hoenes Dipl.-Math., Dipl.-Phys. | | Gerlinger Strasse 12 | Phone: (+49)7156/9635-0, Fax: -18 | | D-71254 Ditzingen | E-Mail: ah@TR-Sys.de | +------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ From christopher.morrow@gmail.com Mon Mar 30 14:08:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: opsec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54AA53A6BC6 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:08:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.875 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.875 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.375, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z99Gr+NGoCGn for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.30]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77FF53A6BB9 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so3139017yxm.49 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:09:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=fFERrUeJTipYcuyfMLcHWuinUzY0uVOX0Onwy7/QORs=; b=HB0QdwvIIu5gyBPOXSEuVm4Z8L28YcgayOjROC9EODcxC4VygK/l5NKgXa5ZvVVLC/ R9wuGu1arz7GS9oPNGVB8L2lfYx7Jiru2TaXaFuy8+j1i6F30p4MjI1a9fTSwz/8AHZv HQB66TPql0cgV9ANSZftNMCEnZdKeuYfII2Cc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=CHAt51vV7wBOc23dC5b4Ta3Af1S9deRDwR7RcHvTr92Q0HQBIOFIjJyfNWuenFGTwg +k2gfcfnAmMGvph8RkYcnsjC/i0HDmUKcTzxrmamz9wBO3Ryn1Wznbiy6fNNyyf4fe13 EBnuTwUqyBsb3j3a5slGA8zJELol8RxPA/ymY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: christopher.morrow@gmail.com Received: by 10.100.32.6 with SMTP id f6mr749747anf.68.1238447366533; Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:09:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200903302103.XAA18237@TR-Sys.de> References: <200903302103.XAA18237@TR-Sys.de> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:09:26 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: f1ad48b534c8692c Message-ID: <75cb24520903301409t4f9cb6a5w4ff49ae70befcea1@mail.gmail.com> From: Christopher Morrow To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Alfred_H=CEnes?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: danny@arbor.net, opsec@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSEC] draft-ietf-opsec-blackhole-urpf-03 X-BeenThere: opsec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: opsec wg mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:08:29 -0000 I'd also say push this to LC in the WG... Joe/Joel? -Chris On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Alfred H=CEnes wrote: > Authors, > thanks for faithfully taking care of my change suggestions, > leading to =A0draft-ietf-opsec-blackhole-urpf-03 . > > Quickly following up to this version, I only got stuck at a minor > formatting flaw in Section 4.2, where the table in step 7.2 is > poorly formatted. =A0(This could be deferred to the RFC Editor.) > > Otherwise, I have no more 'complaints'. =A0 :-) > > I now recommend going ahead with this draft for RFC publication. > > Kind regards, > =A0Alfred H=CEnes. > > -- > > +------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ > | TR-Sys Alfred Hoenes =A0 | =A0Alfred Hoenes =A0 Dipl.-Math., Dipl.-Phys= . =A0| > | Gerlinger Strasse 12 =A0 | =A0Phone: (+49)7156/9635-0, Fax: -18 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 | > | D-71254 =A0Ditzingen =A0 =A0 | =A0E-Mail: =A0ah@TR-Sys.de =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 | > +------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ > > _______________________________________________ > OPSEC mailing list > OPSEC@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsec >