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Ross, Dave,

The WG last call for the subject document has completed. I will  
complete the proto-document and hopefully we forward with the Routing- 
AD evaluation.
Thanks,
Acee
On Jun 8, 2007, at 11:14 AM, Acee Lindem wrote:

> As foretold at the meeting in Prague, we will now WG last call this  
> revision of the subject draft. The OSPF WG last call will begin  
> today and will end at 12:00 AM EDT, June 23, 2007. The intended  
> status of the document is proposed standard (the same as RFC 2370).
>
> Thanks,
> Acee
>
> On Jun 8, 2007, at 10:43 AM, Lou Berger wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> A new rev of the draft has been published.  Changes resulted from  
>> feedback from Acee (much thanks!) and include:
>> - Editorial/nit changes
>> - To better support current implementation, changed:
>>   "the O-bit *MUST* NOT be set in packets other than Database
>>    Description packets."
>>
>>   To
>>
>>   "the O-bit *SHOULD* NOT be set and SHOULD be ignored when received
>>    in packets other than Database Description packets."
>>
>> That's it.
>>
>> Lou (and co-authors)
>>
>>
>>> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
>>> From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org
>>> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:50:01 -0400
>>> Cc: ospf@ietf.org
>>> Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ospf-rfc2370bis-01.txt
>>>
>>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>>> directories.
>>> This draft is a work item of the Open Shortest Path First IGP  
>>> Working Group of the IETF.
>>>
>>>         Title           : The OSPF Opaque LSA Option
>>>         Author(s)       : L. Berger, et al.
>>>         Filename        : draft-ietf-ospf-rfc2370bis-01.txt
>>>         Pages           : 16
>>>         Date            : 2007-6-4
>>>
>>> This document defines enhancements to the OSPF protocol to support a
>>>    new class of link-state advertisements (LSA) called Opaque LSAs.
>>>    Opaque LSAs provide a generalized mechanism to allow for the  
>>> future
>>>    extensibility of OSPF. Opaque LSAs consist of a standard LSA  
>>> header
>>>    followed by application-specific information.  The information  
>>> field
>>>    may be used directly by OSPF or by other applications.   
>>> Standard OSPF
>>>    link-state database flooding mechanisms are used to distribute  
>>> Opaque
>>>    LSAs to all or some limited portion of the OSPF topology.
>>>
>>>    This document replaces RFC 2370 and adds to it a mechanism to  
>>> enable
>>>    an OSPF router to validate AS-scope opaque LSAs originated  
>>> outside of
>>>    the router's OSPF area.
>>>
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Hi all,

The requirement doc for OSPFv3 IPSec automated group key management
has been updated to -01. Compared with the -00 doc, the stuff was
reorganized, and some possible solutions and their specific
requirements were added. 

Comments are welcome.

Thanks,
LIU Ya 

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	Title		: OSPFv3 Automated Group Keying Requirements
	Author(s)	: Y. Liu, et al.
	Filename	: draft-liu-ospfv3-automated-keying-req-01.txt
	Pages		: 15
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RFC4552 describes how to provide authentication/confidentiality to 
   OSPFv3 using IPsec. It specifies that same IPsec SA parameters be 
   configured for both inbound and outbound SAs to provide the "one to

   many" security for multicast OSPFv3 communications over broadcast 
   links (e.g., Ethernet). Manual keying is specified as the mandatory

   and default group key management solution. However, issues of 
   scalability and security exist with manual keying. It is better to 
   replace manual keying with automated group key management. This 
   document discusses the requirements on OSPFv3 automated group key 
   management, assuming that the centralized group key management 
   architecture introduced in [RFC4046] is used.

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Hi,

            C
            |
A------B----------D
                (x)

In the above network, C is DR. I want to setup
a virtual lilnk from A to D. To do so I would need to
get a global address of D to associate with Vlink endpoint.

Here there is only one global address 'x' configured at D at the
broadcast interface shown above.

How will the A know that the 'x' belongs to D ?

The x will appear only in the intra-area-prefix LSA built by
C and there is no indication there that x belongs to D. And A does
not get the link LSA of D.

Is there something I am missing here?

thanks,
Manoj
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Hi Manoj,
I'm looking at page 40 in  draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-update-16.txt


Internet-Draft                OSPF for IPv6                     May 2007


       Metric field for each of these prefixes is set to the interface's
       output cost.

    o  RTX adds the IPv6 prefixes for any directly attached hosts
       belonging to the area (see Appendix C.7) to the intra-area- 
prefix-
       LSA.

    o  If RTX has one or more virtual links configured through the area,
       it includes one of its global scope IPv6 interface addresses in
       the LSA (if it hasn't already), setting the LA-bit in the
       PrefixOptions field, the PrefixLength to 128, and the Metric  
to 0.
       This information will be used later in the routing calculation so
       that the two ends of the virtual link can discover each other's
       IPv6 addresses.


I believe the second bullet allows you leeway to select any
address in the area and advertise it in your intra-area-prefix=LSA
with the LA-bit set.


Thanks,
Acee
P.S. This document has been through WG last call. I guess I'm going
have to get Abhay to fill out the document shepherding work so we can
get the ADs to review it.

On Jul 11, 2007, at 12:31 PM, Goyal, Manoj wrote:

> Hi,
>
>             C
>             |
> A------B----------D
>                 (x)
>
> In the above network, C is DR. I want to setup
> a virtual lilnk from A to D. To do so I would need to
> get a global address of D to associate with Vlink endpoint.
>
> Here there is only one global address 'x' configured at D at the
> broadcast interface shown above.
>
> How will the A know that the 'x' belongs to D ?
>
> The x will appear only in the intra-area-prefix LSA built by
> C and there is no indication there that x belongs to D. And A does
> not get the link LSA of D.
>
> Is there something I am missing here?
>
> thanks,
> Manoj
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0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0 =A0 =A0 </FONT><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">This information will be =
used later in the routing calculation so</FONT></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0=
 =A0 =A0 </FONT><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">that =
the two ends of the virtual link can discover each =
other's</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"Helvetica">=A0 =A0 =A0 </FONT><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"Helvetica">IPv6 addresses.</FONT></DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I believe the second bullet =
allows you leeway to select any=A0</DIV><DIV>address in the area and =
advertise it in your intra-area-prefix=3DLSA=A0</DIV><DIV>with the =
LA-bit set.=A0</DIV><DIV><BR =
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class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Thanks,</DIV><DIV>Acee=A0</DI=
V><DIV>P.S. This document has been through WG last call. I guess I'm =
going=A0</DIV><DIV>have to get Abhay to fill out the document =
shepherding work so we can</DIV><DIV>get the ADs to review =
it.=A0</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Jul 11, 2007, at 12:31 PM, Goyal, =
Manoj wrote:</DIV><BR class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE =
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min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
</SPAN>C</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN =
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want to setup</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">a virtual lilnk from A to D. To =
do so I would need to</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">get a global address of D =
to associate with Vlink endpoint.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Here there is only one global =
address 'x' configured at D at the</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">broadcast =
interface shown above.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; =
"><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">How will the A know that the 'x' =
belongs to D ?</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">The x will appear only in the intra-area-prefix LSA =
built by</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">C and there is no indication =
there that x belongs to D. And A does</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">not get =
the link LSA of D.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
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Ajay,

Think about it, if all iBGP peers redistributed into OSPF the routes 
they learned from each other, you'd have a big mess with each 
redistributing each other's route.  Not only would each iBGP speaker 
look like an ASBR with connectivity to all those BGP routes, but you'd 
have loops all over the place...

ajay thakur wrote:
> Hi all,
> I have doubt about redistribution of iBGP routes into OSPF.  RFC 1403 
> specifies that
> "Routes learned via BGP from peers within the same AS MUST not
>  be imported into OSPF."
> But I could not get any more information about this restriction. Can 
> somebody help me out ?
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> Ajay
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Think about it, if all iBGP peers redistributed into OSPF the routes
they learned from each other, you'd have a big mess with each
redistributing each other's route.&nbsp; Not only would each iBGP speaker
look like an ASBR with connectivity to all those BGP routes, but you'd
have loops all over the place...<br>
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I have doubt about redistribution of iBGP routes into OSPF.&nbsp; RFC 1403
specifies that <br>
  <pre>"Routes learned via BGP from peers within the same AS MUST not
 be imported into OSPF."</pre>
But I could not get any more information about this restriction. Can
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Hi All,

 

I have a doubt related to Path preference rule when there are LSA with
different FA.

In RFC 3101 (NSSA option), section 2.5.6 (e) for calculating External LSA
states;

            (e) If the current LSA is functionally the same as an
                          installed LSA (i.e., same destination, cost and
non-zero
                       forwarding address) then apply the following
priorities in
                        deciding which LSA is preferred:
                         1. A Type-7 LSA with the P-bit set.
                         2. A Type-5 LSA.
                         3. The LSA with the higher router ID.
                      [NSSA]
 
My doubt is:
If the both LSAs have zero FA or different FA then should the above
preference rule be skipped 
and both LSAs be considered for SPF?

 

Thanks and Regards

Abhishek 

 

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial'>Hi All,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial'>I have a doubt
related to Path preference rule when there are LSA with different FA.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial'>In RFC 3101 (NSSA
option), section <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>2.5.6 (e)</span></b> for calculating
External LSA states;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<pre style='margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (e) If the current LSA is functionally the same as an<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;installed LSA (i.e., same destination, cost and <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>non-zero<o:p></o:p></span></b></span></font></pre><pre><b><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;forwarding address</span></font></b>) then apply the following priorities in<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;deciding which LSA is preferred:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='layout-grid-mode:char'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1. A Type-7 LSA with the P-bit set.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='layout-grid-mode:char'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;2. A Type-5 LSA.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='layout-grid-mode:char'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3. The LSA with the higher router ID.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[NSSA]<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>My doubt is:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>If the both LSAs have <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>zero FA</span></b> or <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>different FA</span></b> then should the above preference rule be skipped <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>and both LSAs be considered for SPF?<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial'>Thanks and Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial'>Abhishek <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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I don't think LSA's are considered Functionally equivalent with
different or zero forwarding address. So need to consider both LSA's in
route calc.=20

Nitin

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Subject: [OSPF]Path prefrence for External LSA

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Hi All,

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I have a doubt related to Path preference rule when there are LSA with
different FA.

In RFC 3101 (NSSA option), section 2.5.6 (e) for calculating External
LSA states;

            (e) If the current LSA is functionally the same as an
                          installed LSA (i.e., same destination, cost
and non-zero
                       forwarding address) then apply the following
priorities in
                        deciding which LSA is preferred:
                         1. A Type-7 LSA with the P-bit set.
                         2. A Type-5 LSA.
                         3. The LSA with the higher router ID.
                      [NSSA]
=20
My doubt is:
If the both LSAs have zero FA or different FA then should the above
preference rule be skipped=20
and both LSAs be considered for SPF?

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Thanks and Regards

Abhishek=20

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>I don&#8217;t think LSA&#8217;s are considered Functionally
equivalent with different or zero forwarding address. So need to =
consider both
LSA&#8217;s in &nbsp;route calc. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Nitin<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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style=3D'text-align:center;line-height:normal;
text-autospace:ideograph-numeric ideograph-other'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'line-height:normal;text-autospace:ideograph-numeric =
ideograph-other'><b><font
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:
bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Abhishek Bhalotia =
[mailto:abhishekb@huawei.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 18, =
2007
12:55 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> ospf@ietf.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [OSPF]Path =
prefrence for
External LSA</span></font><font size=3D3><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=3D2
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;line-height:150%'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></fon=
t></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial'>Hi =
All,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial'>I have a =
doubt
related to Path preference rule when there are LSA with different =
FA.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial'>In RFC =
3101 (NSSA
option), section <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>2.5.6 =
(e)</span></b> for
calculating External LSA states;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<pre style=3D'margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier =
New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (e) If the current LSA is =
functionally the same as an<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;i=
nstalled LSA (i.e., same destination, cost and <b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>non-zero<o:p></o:p></span></b></span></font></=
pre><pre><b><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;forwarding address</span></font></b>) then apply the =
following priorities in<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><font
size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;deciding which LSA is =
preferred:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style=3D'layout-grid-mode:char'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier =
New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1. A Type-7 LSA with the P-bit =
set.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style=3D'layout-grid-mode:char'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier =
New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;2. A Type-5 =
LSA.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style=3D'layout-grid-mode:char'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier =
New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3. The LSA with the higher router =
ID.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style=3D'margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[NSSA]<o:p></o:p></=
span></font></pre><pre
style=3D'margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style=3D'margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>My doubt =
is:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style=3D'margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>If the both LSAs have <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:
bold'>zero FA</span></b> or <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>different FA</span></b> then should the above =
preference rule be skipped <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
style=3D'margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>and both LSAs be considered for =
SPF?<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial'>Thanks and =
Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:21.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial'>Abhishek =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></font></p>

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On Jul 18, 2007, at 4:01 PM, Nitin Kakkar wrote:

> I don=92t think LSA=92s are considered Functionally equivalent with =20=

> different or zero forwarding address. So need to consider both =20
> LSA=92s in  route calc.

Correct.
Thanks,
Acee

>
> Nitin
>
>
>
> From: Abhishek Bhalotia [mailto:abhishekb@huawei.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 12:55 PM
> To: ospf@ietf.org
> Subject: [OSPF]Path prefrence for External LSA
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> I have a doubt related to Path preference rule when there are LSA =20
> with different FA.
>
> In RFC 3101 (NSSA option), section 2.5.6 (e) for calculating =20
> External LSA states;
>
>             (e) If the current LSA is functionally the same as an
>                           installed LSA (i.e., same destination, =20
> cost and non-zero
>                        forwarding address) then apply the following =20=

> priorities in
>                         deciding which LSA is preferred:
>                          1. A Type-7 LSA with the P-bit set.
>                          2. A Type-5 LSA.
>                          3. The LSA with the higher router ID.
>                       [NSSA]
>
> My doubt is:
> If the both LSAs have zero FA or different FA then should the above =20=

> preference rule be skipped
> and both LSAs be considered for SPF?
>
>
> Thanks and Regards
>
> Abhishek
>
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<HTML><BODY style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; =
-khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><BR><DIV><DIV>On Jul 18, 2007, =
at 4:01 PM, Nitin Kakkar wrote:</DIV><BR =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"> <DIV =
class=3D"Section1" style=3D"layout-grid:15.6pt"><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-left:21.0pt"><FONT size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" =
face=3D"Arial"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial; =
color:navy">I don=92t think LSA=92s are considered Functionally =
equivalent with different or zero forwarding address. So need to =
consider both LSA=92s in =A0route =
calc.<BR></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Correct.=A0</DIV><DIV>Thanks,=
</DIV><DIV>Acee=A0</DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV =
class=3D"Section1" style=3D"layout-grid:15.6pt"><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-left:21.0pt"><FONT size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" =
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style=3D"margin-left:21.0pt"><FONT size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" =
face=3D"Arial"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial; =
color:navy">Nitin<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-left:21.0pt"><FONT size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" =
face=3D"Arial"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial; =
color:navy"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <DIV =
class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" =
style=3D"text-align:center;line-height:normal; =
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class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"line-height:normal;text-autospace:ideograph-numeric =
ideograph-other"><B><FONT size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight: =
bold">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> Abhishek Bhalotia [<A =
href=3D"mailto:abhishekb@huawei.com">mailto:abhishekb@huawei.com</A>] =
<BR> <B><SPAN style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, =
July 18, 2007 12:55 PM<BR> <B><SPAN =
style=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</SPAN></B> <A =
href=3D"mailto:ospf@ietf.org">ospf@ietf.org</A><BR> <B><SPAN =
style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [OSPF]Path prefrence for =
External LSA</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D"3"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> </DIV><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:21.0pt"><FONT size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;line-height:150%"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></=
P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:21.0pt"><FONT size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial">Hi =
All,<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-left:21.0pt"><FONT size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial"><O:P>=A0</O:=
P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-left:21.0pt"><FONT size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial">I have a =
doubt related to Path preference rule when there are LSA with different =
FA.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-left:21.0pt"><FONT size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial">In RFC =
3101 (NSSA option), section <B><SPAN style=3D"font-weight:bold">2.5.6 =
(e)</SPAN></B> for calculating External LSA =
states;<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> <PRE =
style=3D"margin-left:21.0pt"><FONT size=3D"2" face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 (e) If the =
current LSA is functionally the same as =
an<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT size=3D"2" face=3D"Courier =
New"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0installed LSA (i.e., same =
destination, cost and <B><SPAN =
style=3D"font-weight:bold">non-zero<O:P></O:P></SPAN></B></SPAN></FONT></P=
RE><PRE><B><FONT size=3D"2" face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold">=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 =
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0forwarding =
address</SPAN></FONT></B>) then apply the following priorities =
in<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE><FONT size=3D"2" face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0deciding which LSA is =
preferred:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE =
style=3D"layout-grid-mode:char"><FONT size=3D"2" face=3D"Courier =
New"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1. A Type-7 LSA with =
the P-bit set.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE =
style=3D"layout-grid-mode:char"><FONT size=3D"2" face=3D"Courier =
New"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A02. A Type-5 =
LSA.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE =
style=3D"layout-grid-mode:char"><FONT size=3D"2" face=3D"Courier =
New"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 3. The LSA with the =
higher router ID.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE =
style=3D"margin-left:21.0pt"><FONT size=3D"2" face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0[NSSA]<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE =
style=3D"margin-left:21.0pt"><FONT size=3D"2" face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt"><O:P>=A0</O:P></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE =
style=3D"margin-left:21.0pt"><FONT size=3D"2" face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">My doubt =
is:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style=3D"margin-left:21.0pt"><FONT =
size=3D"2" face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">If the =
both LSAs have <B><SPAN style=3D"font-weight:
bold">zero FA</SPAN></B> or <B><SPAN style=3D"font-weight:bold">different =
FA</SPAN></B> then should the above preference rule be skipped =
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></PRE><PRE style=3D"margin-left:21.0pt"><FONT =
size=3D"2" face=3D"Courier New"><SPAN style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">and =
both LSAs be considered for SPF?<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></PRE><P =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:21.0pt"><FONT size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial"><O:P>=A0</O:=
P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-left:21.0pt"><FONT size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:Arial">Thanks and =
Regards<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-left:21.0pt"><FONT size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><SPAN =
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Subject: Re: [OSPF]Path prefrence for External LSA
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>In RFC 3101 (NSSA option), section 2.5.6 (e) for calculating External 
>LSA states;

 (e) If the current LSA is functionally the same as an
     installed LSA (i.e., same destination, cost and non-zero
     forwarding address) then apply the following priorities in
     deciding which LSA is preferred:

         1. A Type-7 LSA with the P-bit set.
         2. A Type-5 LSA.
         3. The LSA with the higher router ID.
     [NSSA]
 
>My doubt is:
>If the both LSAs have zero FA or different FA then should
>the above preference rule be skipped and both LSAs be
>considered for SPF?

That is correct. Once the (6)a through (6)e preference rules are applied 
to the installed LSAs and the current LSA under external calculation, 
some of the installed LSAs may be replaced in the installed set by the 
current LSA. Alternatively the current LSA may not be installed and the 
existing installed set may remain intact, or the LSA may be added to the 
existing installed set. If the forwarding addresses of the installed set 
are all different, then this preference rule simply does not prune any 
LSAs from the combined set. If an LSA has a zero FA then this preference 
rule is skipped.

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    Hi Pat,
    if this rule is supposed to be applied only to LSAs with the same fw 
address then it can be reached only when two Type-7 LSAs originated 
within the same area are being compared. Because if we are comparing 
Type-5 and Type-7 with equal fw address then at least one of LSAs will 
be rejected at the step 3. Fw address is reachable either thru NSSA area 
(then Type-5 is rejected) or through 'normal' area (and then Type-7 is 
rejected).

---
    Thanks,

Anton


Pat Murphy - (650)329-4044 wrote:
>> In RFC 3101 (NSSA option), section 2.5.6 (e) for calculating External 
>> LSA states;
> 
>  (e) If the current LSA is functionally the same as an
>      installed LSA (i.e., same destination, cost and non-zero
>      forwarding address) then apply the following priorities in
>      deciding which LSA is preferred:
> 
>          1. A Type-7 LSA with the P-bit set.
>          2. A Type-5 LSA.
>          3. The LSA with the higher router ID.
>      [NSSA]
>  
>> My doubt is:
>> If the both LSAs have zero FA or different FA then should
>> the above preference rule be skipped and both LSAs be
>> considered for SPF?
> 
> That is correct. Once the (6)a through (6)e preference rules are applied 
> to the installed LSAs and the current LSA under external calculation, 
> some of the installed LSAs may be replaced in the installed set by the 
> current LSA. Alternatively the current LSA may not be installed and the 
> existing installed set may remain intact, or the LSA may be added to the 
> existing installed set. If the forwarding addresses of the installed set 
> are all different, then this preference rule simply does not prune any 
> LSAs from the combined set. If an LSA has a zero FA then this preference 
> rule is skipped.
> 
> Pat
> 
> 
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Subject: Re: [OSPF]Path prefrence for External LSA
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Anton,

Actually the original primary purpose of the rule was to make
sure that the Type-5 translation of a Type-7 LSA is never
preferred since both would have the same non-zero forwarding
address. As you state a Type-5 LSA with an NSSA forwarding
address should never be installed, ala Step (3)'s

  If the forwarding address is non-zero look up the forwarding
  address in the routing table.  For a Type-5 LSA the matching
  routing table entry must specify an intra-area or inter-area
  path through a Type-5 capable area.  For a Type-7 LSA the
  matching routing table entry must specify an intra-area path
  through the LSA's originating NSSA.

I long ago toyed with the idea of removing (e). Unfortunately,
whether or not a prefix belongs to a specific area is a
supposition that is broken all the time. Hence it remains.

Pat

Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 23:02:09 +0200
From: Anton Smirnov <asmirnov@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: [OSPF]Path prefrence for External LSA
In-reply-to: <01MJ3LEREMAQ00C4TR@omega7.wr.usgs.gov>
To: "Pat Murphy - (650)329-4044" <pmurphy@noc.usgs.net>
Cc: ABHISHEKB@HUAWEI.COM, OSPF@ietf.org
Message-id: <469E7FD1.9050402@cisco.com>

    Hi Pat,
    if this rule is supposed to be applied only to LSAs with the same fw 
address then it can be reached only when two Type-7 LSAs originated 
within the same area are being compared. Because if we are comparing 
Type-5 and Type-7 with equal fw address then at least one of LSAs will 
be rejected at the step 3. Fw address is reachable either thru NSSA area 
(then Type-5 is rejected) or through 'normal' area (and then Type-7 is 
rejected).

---
    Thanks,

Anton


Pat Murphy - (650)329-4044 wrote:
>> In RFC 3101 (NSSA option), section 2.5.6 (e) for calculating External 
>> LSA states;
> 
>  (e) If the current LSA is functionally the same as an
>      installed LSA (i.e., same destination, cost and non-zero
>      forwarding address) then apply the following priorities in
>      deciding which LSA is preferred:
> 
>          1. A Type-7 LSA with the P-bit set.
>          2. A Type-5 LSA.
>          3. The LSA with the higher router ID.
>      [NSSA]
>  
>> My doubt is:
>> If the both LSAs have zero FA or different FA then should
>> the above preference rule be skipped and both LSAs be
>> considered for SPF?
> 
> That is correct. Once the (6)a through (6)e preference rules are applied 
> to the installed LSAs and the current LSA under external calculation, 
> some of the installed LSAs may be replaced in the installed set by the 
> current LSA. Alternatively the current LSA may not be installed and the 
> existing installed set may remain intact, or the LSA may be added to the 
> existing installed set. If the forwarding addresses of the installed set 
> are all different, then this preference rule simply does not prune any 
> LSAs from the combined set. If an LSA has a zero FA then this preference 
> rule is skipped.
> 
> Pat
> 
> 
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> OSPF mailing list
> OSPF@ietf.org
> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf


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A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries.



        BCP 130        

        RFC 4940



        Title:      IANA Considerations for OSPF 

        Author:     K. Kompella, B. Fenner

        Status:     Best Current Practice

        Date:       July 2007

        Mailbox:    kireeti@juniper.net, 

                    fenner@research.att.com

        Pages:      15

        Characters: 27595

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        See-Also:   BCP0130



        I-D Tag:    draft-ietf-ospf-iana-03.txt



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Hi Kireeti,

I have a doubt regarding the opposition I heard your opposition to the
introduction of a new Link type (Inter-AS link) field.

I know of CSPF implementations that do a two way check before we can
use a link for CSPF. In the Inter-AS case, there will not be such a
case. Will that not mean that even when a router is down and its LSA
exist, we will still use the links for SPF?

I also overheard Dave Ward comment that such information could also be
useful in case of  OAM too.

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Hi Vishal,

> I have a doubt regarding the opposition I heard your opposition to the
> introduction of a new Link type (Inter-AS link) field.

So, the reason why a separate link type was proposed was a suggestion to 
help the other nodes (also legacy nodes) in the rest of the network. We 
wanted to allow a distinction to be made between inter-AS TE links and 
intra-AS TE links. (Note also that the intra-AS links may have normal IGP 
advertisements, but the inter-AS links are only advertised as TE links.)

But, I think we are happy to be guided by the OSPF WG on this.

If the WG feels that we should use the same link type, that will be fine. 
But if the WG feels we should use a separate link type or doesn't care, we 
should use a different link type.

> I know of CSPF implementations that do a two way check before we can
> use a link for CSPF. In the Inter-AS case, there will not be such a
> case. Will that not mean that even when a router is down and its LSA
> exist, we will still use the links for SPF?

Something that has been missed, I think, and was raised by John Drake in the 
meeting, is that we need to advertise both directions of the inter-AS TE 
link. That actually means that the local ASBR is going to do a "proxy" 
advertisement.

> I also overheard Dave Ward comment that such information could also be
> useful in case of  OAM too.

Thanks,
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Hi Adrian, vishal and all,

> Hi Vishal,
> 
>> I have a doubt regarding the opposition I heard your opposition to the
>> introduction of a new Link type (Inter-AS link) field.
> 
> So, the reason why a separate link type was proposed was a suggestion to 
> help the other nodes (also legacy nodes) in the rest of the network. We 
> wanted to allow a distinction to be made between inter-AS TE links and 
> intra-AS TE links. (Note also that the intra-AS links may have normal IGP 
> advertisements, but the inter-AS links are only advertised as TE links.)
> 
> But, I think we are happy to be guided by the OSPF WG on this.

Yes, agree.

> 
> If the WG feels that we should use the same link type, that will be fine. 
> But if the WG feels we should use a separate link type or doesn't care, we 
> should use a different link type.
> 
>> I know of CSPF implementations that do a two way check before we can
>> use a link for CSPF. In the Inter-AS case, there will not be such a
>> case. Will that not mean that even when a router is down and its LSA
>> exist, we will still use the links for SPF?
> 
> Something that has been missed, I think, and was raised by John Drake in the 
> meeting, is that we need to advertise both directions of the inter-AS TE 
> link. That actually means that the local ASBR is going to do a "proxy" 
> advertisement.
> 

Yes, this will be added in the next revision.

>> I also overheard Dave Ward comment that such information could also be
>> useful in case of  OAM too.
> 
> Thanks,
> Adrian 
> 

Best regards,
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OSPF experts, 
You may be interested to squeeze in this meeting if you can.
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> folks
> 
> reminder for those interested in ospf ason routing
> discussion
> 
> *** meeting at 11:30 AM at the IETF reg .desk ***
> 
> please read the following document to facilitate
> discussion
> 
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/326/>
> 
> -d.
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Hi Adrian, et al,

On Jul 24, 2007, at 11:31 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote:

> Hi Vishal,
>
>> I have a doubt regarding the opposition I heard your opposition to  
>> the
>> introduction of a new Link type (Inter-AS link) field.
>
> So, the reason why a separate link type was proposed was a  
> suggestion to help the other nodes (also legacy nodes) in the rest  
> of the network. We wanted to allow a distinction to be made between  
> inter-AS TE links and intra-AS TE links. (Note also that the intra- 
> AS links may have normal IGP advertisements, but the inter-AS links  
> are only advertised as TE links.)
>
> But, I think we are happy to be guided by the OSPF WG on this.

I wouldn't base this decision solely on my questions on what is and  
isn't necessary for inter-AS TE. If you look at how OSPF interacts  
with iBGP, we don't require the AS numbers to permeate into OSPF  
(given that RFC 1745 is historic). However, I'd look to those  
implementing this to verify that this makes sense for inter-AS TE.

Thanks,
Acee



>
> If the WG feels that we should use the same link type, that will be  
> fine. But if the WG feels we should use a separate link type or  
> doesn't care, we should use a different link type.
>
>> I know of CSPF implementations that do a two way check before we can
>> use a link for CSPF. In the Inter-AS case, there will not be such a
>> case. Will that not mean that even when a router is down and its LSA
>> exist, we will still use the links for SPF?
>
> Something that has been missed, I think, and was raised by John  
> Drake in the meeting, is that we need to advertise both directions  
> of the inter-AS TE link. That actually means that the local ASBR is  
> going to do a "proxy" advertisement.
>
>> I also overheard Dave Ward comment that such information could  
>> also be
>> useful in case of  OAM too.
>
> Thanks,
> Adrian
>
>
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I'll be there although it's been some time since I've read these drafts.
Thanks,
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n Jul 25, 2007, at 11:24 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote:

> OSPF experts, You may be interested to squeeze in this meeting if  
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "dimitri papadimitriou"  
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>> folks
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>> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/326/>
>> -d.
>>
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acee

last version available at

<http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ason-routing-ospf-03.txt>

-d.

Acee Lindem wrote:
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> n Jul 25, 2007, at 11:24 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote:
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>> OSPF experts, You may be interested to squeeze in this meeting if you 
>> can.
>> Adrian
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "dimitri papadimitriou" 
>> <dpapadimitriou@psg.com>
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>>> folks
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>>> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/326/>
>>> -d.
>>>
>>
>>
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Hi Acess, all,


> Hi Adrian, et al,
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> On Jul 24, 2007, at 11:31 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote:
> 
>> Hi Vishal,
>>
>>> I have a doubt regarding the opposition I heard your opposition to  
>>> the
>>> introduction of a new Link type (Inter-AS link) field.
>>
>> So, the reason why a separate link type was proposed was a  
>> suggestion to help the other nodes (also legacy nodes) in the rest  
>> of the network. We wanted to allow a distinction to be made between  
>> inter-AS TE links and intra-AS TE links. (Note also that the intra- 
>> AS links may have normal IGP advertisements, but the inter-AS links  
>> are only advertised as TE links.)
>>
>> But, I think we are happy to be guided by the OSPF WG on this.
> 
> I wouldn't base this decision solely on my questions on what is and  
> isn't necessary for inter-AS TE. If you look at how OSPF interacts  
> with iBGP, we don't require the AS numbers to permeate into OSPF  

Don't require does not mean don't allow,  in fact, the AS number attribute of an inter-AS link is a kind of "identifier" just as other attribues and such AS number may not be from BGP.

> (given that RFC 1745 is historic). However, I'd look to those  
> implementing this to verify that this makes sense for inter-AS TE.

Yes, impementing always is the best method to check it out.

The AS number attribute is optinal for per-domain method when there are no AS numbers as loose hop in the ERO.

But for PCE-based path computation senario, especially for BRPC method, the AS number attribute is very useful and essential.See the following example

    PCE1<------->PCE2<------->PCE3
R1------R3----R5-----R7------R9-----R11
     |     | \    |      / |

     |     |  \   |  ----  |

     |     |   \  | /      |

-----R4----R6   --R8------R10----R12

        :              :

  - AS1 -->:<---- AS2 --->:<--- AS3 --->

In the above figure, three PCEs(PCE1 PCE2 PCE3) work together to perform inter-AS path computation, hence to setup a path from r1 to r12.The traversed domains are assumed to be selected before path computation: AS1->AS2->AS3. Firstly, the path computation request originated from r1 is relaied(by PCE1 and PCE2) to PCE3, then PCE3 begins to compute the path segments which from the entry boundary nodes that provide connection to AS2 to the destination in its responsiable domain(AS3), but PCE3 only knows that the path should be from AS2, so PCE3 needs to determine the entry boundary nodes based on its upstream AS number(AS2).

And we will enhace the PCE-based senario in the next revision.

Best regards,
Mach 
 

> Thanks,
> Acee
> 
> 
> 
>>
>> If the WG feels that we should use the same link type, that will be  
>> fine. But if the WG feels we should use a separate link type or  
>> doesn't care, we should use a different link type.
>>
>>> I know of CSPF implementations that do a two way check before we can
>>> use a link for CSPF. In the Inter-AS case, there will not be such a
>>> case. Will that not mean that even when a router is down and its LSA
>>> exist, we will still use the links for SPF?
>>
>> Something that has been missed, I think, and was raised by John  
>> Drake in the meeting, is that we need to advertise both directions  
>> of the inter-AS TE link. That actually means that the local ASBR is  
>> going to do a "proxy" advertisement.
>>
>>> I also overheard Dave Ward comment that such information could  
>>> also be
>>> useful in case of  OAM too.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Adrian
>>
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>    o  The Options field in the network-LSA is set to the logical OR of
>       the Options fields contained within the link's associated link-
>       LSAs.  In this way, the network link exhibits a capability when at
>       least one of the link's routers requests that the capability be
>       advertised.

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Hi Hiroaki,

On Jul 26, 2007, at 12:36 AM, KASHIMA Hiroaki wrote:

> in draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-update-16.txt: 3.4.3.3
> top of page 32
>
>>    o  The Options field in the network-LSA is set to the logical  
>> OR of
>>       the Options fields contained within the link's associated link-
>>       LSAs.  In this way, the network link exhibits a capability  
>> when at
>>       least one of the link's routers requests that the capability be
>>       advertised.
>
> Is it unnecessary to check whether the adv-router is alive?

At this point we are traversing our list of fully adjacent neighbors  
which implies that the router originating the network-LSA believes  
the router being examined to be alive.

3.4.3.3.  Network-LSAs

    The LS type of a network-LSA is set to the value 0x2002.  Network-
    LSAs have area flooding scope.  A network-LSA is originated for  
every
    broadcast or NBMA link with an elected Designated Router that is
    fully adjacent with at least one other router on the link.  The
    network-LSA is originated by the link's Designated Router and lists
    all routers on the link with whom it is fully adjacent.

Thanks,
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From: "Fabien VERHAEGHE" <fabien.verhaeghe@marben-products.com>
To: "'Mach Chen'" <mach@huawei.com>, "'Acee Lindem'" <acee@redback.com>,
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Subject: RE: [OSPF] Inter-AS TE
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Hi,

I have some comment/questions on this topic.

First about the link type I would be concerned if we use the same link =
type
for intra and inter domain link because I think it may lead to some
confusion on legacy system.
RFC3630 states that unrecognised sub TLV must be ignored.=20
So a legacy system will actually see inter domain link as intra domain =
link.
Generally this would probably have no consequence but the link Id of =
intra
and inter AS link, if I understand correctly, are allocated from 2 =
different
address spaces.
So an inter AS link Id may actually match an OSPF router Id of the local
domain.
In this case I think it may lead to some wrong intra AS path computation
from legacy system.

Besides I don't really see the advantage of having a single link type.

A question: is the AS sub TLV mandatory? I guess yes but I'm not sure =
the
draft states it.

Another question for my understanding about the need to advertise both
directions of the TE link.=20
I'm not sure to understand what is the goal of this.
Is it to be able to advertise asymmetric TE information for each =
direction
of the link?

Thanks
Fabien

-----Message d'origine-----
De=A0: Mach Chen [mailto:mach@huawei.com]=20
Envoy=E9=A0: mercredi 25 juillet 2007 18:39
=C0=A0: Acee Lindem; Adrian Farrel
Cc=A0: OSPF List
Objet=A0: Re: [OSPF] Inter-AS TE

Hi Acess, all,


> Hi Adrian, et al,
>=20
> On Jul 24, 2007, at 11:31 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote:
>=20
>> Hi Vishal,
>>
>>> I have a doubt regarding the opposition I heard your opposition to =20
>>> the
>>> introduction of a new Link type (Inter-AS link) field.
>>
>> So, the reason why a separate link type was proposed was a =20
>> suggestion to help the other nodes (also legacy nodes) in the rest =20
>> of the network. We wanted to allow a distinction to be made between =20
>> inter-AS TE links and intra-AS TE links. (Note also that the intra-=20
>> AS links may have normal IGP advertisements, but the inter-AS links =20
>> are only advertised as TE links.)
>>
>> But, I think we are happy to be guided by the OSPF WG on this.
>=20
> I wouldn't base this decision solely on my questions on what is and =20
> isn't necessary for inter-AS TE. If you look at how OSPF interacts =20
> with iBGP, we don't require the AS numbers to permeate into OSPF =20

Don't require does not mean don't allow,  in fact, the AS number =
attribute
of an inter-AS link is a kind of "identifier" just as other attribues =
and
such AS number may not be from BGP.

> (given that RFC 1745 is historic). However, I'd look to those =20
> implementing this to verify that this makes sense for inter-AS TE.

Yes, impementing always is the best method to check it out.

The AS number attribute is optinal for per-domain method when there are =
no
AS numbers as loose hop in the ERO.

But for PCE-based path computation senario, especially for BRPC method, =
the
AS number attribute is very useful and essential.See the following =
example

    PCE1<------->PCE2<------->PCE3
R1------R3----R5-----R7------R9-----R11
     |     | \    |      / |

     |     |  \   |  ----  |

     |     |   \  | /      |

-----R4----R6   --R8------R10----R12

        :              :

  - AS1 -->:<---- AS2 --->:<--- AS3 --->

In the above figure, three PCEs(PCE1 PCE2 PCE3) work together to perform
inter-AS path computation, hence to setup a path from r1 to r12.The
traversed domains are assumed to be selected before path computation:
AS1->AS2->AS3. Firstly, the path computation request originated from r1 =
is
relaied(by PCE1 and PCE2) to PCE3, then PCE3 begins to compute the path
segments which from the entry boundary nodes that provide connection to =
AS2
to the destination in its responsiable domain(AS3), but PCE3 only knows =
that
the path should be from AS2, so PCE3 needs to determine the entry =
boundary
nodes based on its upstream AS number(AS2).

And we will enhace the PCE-based senario in the next revision.

Best regards,
Mach=20
=20

> Thanks,
> Acee
>=20
>=20
>=20
>>
>> If the WG feels that we should use the same link type, that will be =20
>> fine. But if the WG feels we should use a separate link type or =20
>> doesn't care, we should use a different link type.
>>
>>> I know of CSPF implementations that do a two way check before we can
>>> use a link for CSPF. In the Inter-AS case, there will not be such a
>>> case. Will that not mean that even when a router is down and its LSA
>>> exist, we will still use the links for SPF?
>>
>> Something that has been missed, I think, and was raised by John =20
>> Drake in the meeting, is that we need to advertise both directions =20
>> of the inter-AS TE link. That actually means that the local ASBR is =20
>> going to do a "proxy" advertisement.
>>
>>> I also overheard Dave Ward comment that such information could =20
>>> also be
>>> useful in case of  OAM too.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Adrian
>>
>>
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Thanks to Michael Barnes for taking these minutes.

OSPF WG Meeting - Chicago - July 24, 2007
     Scribe: Michael Barnes (mjbarnes@cisco.com)

13:22 Review agenda - Acee Lindem

13:25 Review working group progress - Abhay Roy

     OSPFv3 MTR draft needs more discussion
     OSPFv2 HMAC-SHA1 draft needs more discussion

13:30 OSPFv3 MIB - Acee presenting slides for Dan Joyal

     Want to do WG Last Call soon

13:35 Draft Authentication/Confidentiality for OSPFv2- Suresh Melam

Acee:
     A single hop virtual-link packets could have the same src/dst as  
non-VL
     packets on the link.

Vishwas Manral:
     SPD is defined by IPSec, but is internal to an
     implementation so not limited to what RFC specifies. But
     implementations don't support it.

Bill Atwood:
     Work being presented in routing security WG for
     automatic  rekeying. Work going on in PIM for rekeying to protect
     link-local addressing. The last slide references the automatic
     rekeying, it should be linked to the other work.

Acee: Straw poll as to whether to make WG document, some support, a
          couple of folks against. Taking it to the list.

13:54 Extensions to OSPF for Inter-AS TE - Mach Chen

Dave Ward:
     Asking if the working groups feels a new link type is required

Acee:
     Doesn't seem like this is a link

Kireeti Kompella:
     Should just be a TE LSA. Do not have adj or hellos, but want to  
add into
     database to do calculations.

Dave Ward:
    Do we need to carry the AS number and what is it used for?

Adrian:
    Can be used for signalling (details lost here)

Kireeti:
    Useful to carry the Router ID, ambivilent about the AS number

Dave:
    Would like to see why, where, when and applicability for carrying  
the
    AS number.  Router ID is sufficient but necessary. AS number is  
not necessary

Adrian:
    From CCAMP: close to last calling it.

Acee:
     Seems like this is a connection to an AS as opposed to a link.  
Do we really
     want to call it a link, or should be a top level TLV? Two top  
levels now:
         Link TLV and Router Address TLV.

Mach:
    ?

Acee:
     So it is tied to the link.

Abhay:
    The link in a TE LSA are additional attributes to the physical link.

Kireeti
    There is a link, it's passive

Acee:
     AS Number is passive information

Kireeti:
     Since no adjacency want full TE info, can't do calculation if  
don't have
     A2-B1 link

     Would like explicit statement saying no hellos and no adjacency.
     Draft implies that. Do not want an inter-AS adjacency.

Abhay:
    Need a new link type?

Kireeti:
    Could be point to point

Dave:
    Doesn't matter because it's passive

Kireeti:
    Don't think a new type is needed.

Mach:
    Need a new type to indicate that is inter-AS

Adrian:
    Point was that inter-AS TE how careful do you want to be to avoid  
confusion,
    A new type avoids any ambiguity. If not worried about ambiguity a  
new
    type may not be needed


14:15 OSPF Charter Update - Acee

Decided to make an incremental update this time around.

Dave W:
     Solution to separate routing from non-routing information

Abhay:
     Okay to solve in v3 only?

Dave:
    Advise to solve in v2 since it's so widely deployed
    Convergence is highest priority, so need a way to prioritize routing
    over non-routing.

Acee:
     Reason?

Dave:
     Protect, preserve fastest possible convergence time.
     It's something that's been worked on in ISIS for a while now.

Acee:
     Multiple instaces supported by OSPFv3

Dave:
     Think we need to have a solution for OSPFv2, not sufficient to  
require
     changing to OSPFv3.


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routing security WG for</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
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PIM for rekeying to protect</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
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class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0 =A0 </FONT><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">rekeying, it should be =
linked to the other work.</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal =
normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"Helvetica">Acee: Straw poll as to whether to make WG document, =
some support, a</FONT><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"Helvetica">=A0</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
</FONT><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">couple of =
folks against. Taking it to the list.</FONT></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; =
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">13:54 Extensions to OSPF =
for Inter-AS TE - Mach Chen</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal =
normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"Helvetica">Dave Ward:</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0 =A0 </FONT><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">Asking if the working =
groups feels a new link type is required</FONT></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; =
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">Acee:</FONT></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0=
 =A0 </FONT><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">Doesn't =
seem like this is a link</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal =
normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"Helvetica">Kireeti Kompella:</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top:=
 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0 =A0 </FONT><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">Should just be a TE LSA. =
Do not have adj or hellos, but want to add into</FONT></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0=
 =A0 </FONT><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">database =
to do calculations.</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal =
normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"Helvetica">Dave Ward:</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0=A0 </FONT><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">Do we need to carry the AS =
number and what is it used for?</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: =
normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; =
"><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"Helvetica">Adrian:</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0=A0 </FONT><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">Can be used for signalling =
(details lost here)</FONT><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"Helvetica">=A0</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal =
normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"Helvetica">Kireeti:</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0=A0 </FONT><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">Useful to carry the Router =
ID, ambivilent about the AS number</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: =
normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; =
"><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"Helvetica">Dave:</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0=A0 </FONT><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">Would like to see why, =
where, when and applicability for carrying the</FONT><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0</FONT></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0=
=A0 </FONT><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">AS =
number.</FONT><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0 =
</FONT><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">Router ID is =
sufficient but necessary. AS number is not necessary</FONT></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; =
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">Adrian:</FONT></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0=
=A0 </FONT><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=46rom =
CCAMP: close to last calling it.</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: =
normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; =
"><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"Helvetica">Acee:</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0 =A0 </FONT><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">Seems like this is a =
connection to an AS as opposed to a link. Do we really</FONT></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0=
 =A0 </FONT><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">want to =
call it a link, or should be a top level TLV? Two top levels now: =
</FONT><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"Helvetica">=A0</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
</FONT><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">Link TLV and =
Router Address TLV.</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal =
normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"Helvetica">Mach:</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0=A0 </FONT><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">?</FONT></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; =
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">Acee:</FONT></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0=
 =A0 </FONT><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">So it is =
tied to the link.</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal =
normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"Helvetica">Abhay:</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0=A0 </FONT><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">The link in a TE LSA are =
additional attributes to the physical link.</FONT></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; =
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">Kireeti</FONT></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0=
=A0 </FONT><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">There is =
a link, it's passive</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal =
normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"Helvetica">Acee:</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0 =A0 </FONT><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">AS Number is passive =
information</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"Helvetica">Kireeti:</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0 =A0 </FONT><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">Since no adjacency want =
full TE info, can't do calculation if don't have</FONT></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0=
 =A0 </FONT><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">A2-B1 =
link</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0=
 =A0 </FONT><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">Would =
like explicit statement saying no hellos and no adjacency.</FONT><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0</FONT></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0=
 =A0 </FONT><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">Draft =
implies that. Do not want an inter-AS adjacency.</FONT></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; =
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">Abhay:</FONT></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0=
=A0 </FONT><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">Need a =
new link type?</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"Helvetica">Kireeti:</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0=A0 </FONT><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">Could be point to =
point</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"Helvetica">Dave:</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0=A0 </FONT><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">Doesn't matter because =
it's passive</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"Helvetica">Kireeti:</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0=A0 </FONT><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">Don't think a new type is =
needed.</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"Helvetica">Mach:</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0=A0 </FONT><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">Need a new type to =
indicate that is inter-AS</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal =
normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"Helvetica">Adrian:</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0=A0 </FONT><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">Point was that inter-AS TE =
how careful do you want to be to avoid confusion,</FONT></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0=
=A0 </FONT><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">A new =
type avoids any ambiguity. If not worried about ambiguity a =
new</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"Helvetica">=A0=A0 </FONT><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"Helvetica">type may not be needed</FONT></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; =
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal =
normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"Helvetica">14:15 OSPF Charter Update - Acee</FONT></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; =
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">Decided to make an =
incremental update this time around.</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top:=
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normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; =
"><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"Helvetica">Dave W:</FONT><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"Helvetica">=A0</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0 =A0 </FONT><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">Solution to separate =
routing from non-routing information</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top:=
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normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; =
"><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"Helvetica">Abhay:</FONT><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"Helvetica">=A0</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0 =A0 </FONT><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">Okay to solve in v3 =
only?</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
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class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">=A0 =A0 </FONT><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"Helvetica">Multiple instaces =
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FYI Times are PDT

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Subject: [OSPF] IETF 69 OSPF WG Meeting Minutes

> Thanks to Michael Barnes for taking these minutes.
> =

> OSPF WG Meeting - Chicago - July 24, 2007
>      Scribe: Michael Barnes (mjbarnes@cisco.com)
> =

> 13:22 Review agenda - Acee Lindem
> =

> 13:25 Review working group progress - Abhay Roy
> =

>      OSPFv3 MTR draft needs more discussion
>      OSPFv2 HMAC-SHA1 draft needs more discussion
> =

> 13:30 OSPFv3 MIB - Acee presenting slides for Dan Joyal
> =

>      Want to do WG Last Call soon
> =

> 13:35 Draft Authentication/Confidentiality for OSPFv2- Suresh Melam
> =

> Acee:
>      A single hop virtual-link packets could have the same src/dst as  =

> non-VL
>      packets on the link.
> =

> Vishwas Manral:
>      SPD is defined by IPSec, but is internal to an
>      implementation so not limited to what RFC specifies. But
>      implementations don't support it.
> =

> Bill Atwood:
>      Work being presented in routing security WG for
>      automatic  rekeying. Work going on in PIM for rekeying to protect
>      link-local addressing. The last slide references the automatic
>      rekeying, it should be linked to the other work.
> =

> Acee: Straw poll as to whether to make WG document, some support, a
>           couple of folks against. Taking it to the list.
> =

> 13:54 Extensions to OSPF for Inter-AS TE - Mach Chen
> =

> Dave Ward:
>      Asking if the working groups feels a new link type is required
> =

> Acee:
>      Doesn't seem like this is a link
> =

> Kireeti Kompella:
>      Should just be a TE LSA. Do not have adj or hellos, but want to  =

> add into
>      database to do calculations.
> =

> Dave Ward:
>     Do we need to carry the AS number and what is it used for?
> =

> Adrian:
>     Can be used for signalling (details lost here)
> =

> Kireeti:
>     Useful to carry the Router ID, ambivilent about the AS number
> =

> Dave:
>     Would like to see why, where, when and applicability for carrying  =

> the
>     AS number.  Router ID is sufficient but necessary. AS number is  =

> not necessary
> =

> Adrian:
>     From CCAMP: close to last calling it.
> =

> Acee:
>      Seems like this is a connection to an AS as opposed to a link.  =

> Do we really
>      want to call it a link, or should be a top level TLV? Two top  =

> levels now:
>          Link TLV and Router Address TLV.
> =

> Mach:
>     ?
> =

> Acee:
>      So it is tied to the link.
> =

> Abhay:
>     The link in a TE LSA are additional attributes to the physical link=
=2E
> =

> Kireeti
>     There is a link, it's passive
> =

> Acee:
>      AS Number is passive information
> =

> Kireeti:
>      Since no adjacency want full TE info, can't do calculation if  =

> don't have
>      A2-B1 link
> =

>      Would like explicit statement saying no hellos and no adjacency.
>      Draft implies that. Do not want an inter-AS adjacency.
> =

> Abhay:
>     Need a new link type?
> =

> Kireeti:
>     Could be point to point
> =

> Dave:
>     Doesn't matter because it's passive
> =

> Kireeti:
>     Don't think a new type is needed.
> =

> Mach:
>     Need a new type to indicate that is inter-AS
> =

> Adrian:
>     Point was that inter-AS TE how careful do you want to be to avoid  =

> confusion,
>     A new type avoids any ambiguity. If not worried about ambiguity a  =

> new
>     type may not be needed
> =

> =

> 14:15 OSPF Charter Update - Acee
> =

> Decided to make an incremental update this time around.
> =

> Dave W:
>      Solution to separate routing from non-routing information
> =

> Abhay:
>      Okay to solve in v3 only?
> =

> Dave:
>     Advise to solve in v2 since it's so widely deployed
>     Convergence is highest priority, so need a way to prioritize routin=
g
>     over non-routing.
> =

> Acee:
>      Reason?
> =

> Dave:
>      Protect, preserve fastest possible convergence time.
>      It's something that's been worked on in ISIS for a while now.
> =

> Acee:
>      Multiple instaces supported by OSPFv3
> =

> Dave:
>      Think we need to have a solution for OSPFv2, not sufficient to  =

> require
>      changing to OSPFv3.
> =

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Hi Fabien,

pls see inline.



Hi,

I have some comment/questions on this topic.

First about the link type I would be concerned if we use the same link type
for intra and inter domain link because I think it may lead to some
confusion on legacy system.
RFC3630 states that unrecognised sub TLV must be ignored. 
So a legacy system will actually see inter domain link as intra domain link.
Generally this would probably have no consequence but the link Id of intra
and inter AS link, if I understand correctly, are allocated from 2 different
address spaces.
So an inter AS link Id may actually match an OSPF router Id of the local
domain.
In this case I think it may lead to some wrong intra AS path computation
from legacy system.

Besides I don't really see the advantage of having a single link type.

Mach>> Agree, a deferent link type will bring us many benifits. i.e. giving a easy way to identify a inter-AS link, OAM ...

A question: is the AS sub TLV mandatory? I guess yes but I'm not sure the
draft states it.

Mach>> Yes, for inter-AS TE link, the AS number attribute is essential, as I pointed out in my previous message, the AS number is needed in the PCE-based path computation senario. 

Another question for my understanding about the need to advertise both
directions of the TE link. 
I'm not sure to understand what is the goal of this.
Is it to be able to advertise asymmetric TE information for each direction
of the link?

Mach>> Since there is no OSPF adjancy runing on the inter-AS TE links,  to advertise both directions of the TE link can make sure that the inter-AS TE link is valid for path computation. As Vishwas Manral said, CSPF implementations will do a two way check before using the TE link for path computation.

Best regards,
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Hi Mach,

Thanks for the fast answer.
I still have some comments:

>Mach>> Yes, for inter-AS TE link, the AS number attribute is essential, =
as=20
> I pointed out in my previous message, the AS number is needed in the =
PCE-
> based path computation senario.

To be more precise, my question is not to know if the AS number sub TLV =
is
useful cause I agree that it is.=20
But rather is it madatory to encode such sub TLV in each inter domain TE
link.
There are some scenario where it is useful (e.g. PCE based path
computation), maybe it is not in some other scenarios.

For instance RFC3630 states that " The Link Type and Link ID sub-TLVs =
are
mandatory, i.e., must appear exactly once", and I think the same kind
statement should be done to explicitly indicate if the AS number sub TLV =
is
mandatory or optional in case of inter domain TE link.

Note that if it is optional it is even more important to have a =
different
link type.

>Mach>> Since there is no OSPF adjancy runing on the inter-AS TE links,  =
to
>advertise both directions of the TE link can make sure that the =
inter-AS TE
>link is valid for path computation. As Vishwas Manral said, CSPF
>implementations will do a two way check before using the TE link for =
path
>computation.

Ok. But then if the only purpose of having 2 links LSA is to be able to =
do 2
way connectivity check, why not rather stating that the inter domain TE =
link
is bidirectional (unlike intra domain link).
That is, this TE link would be advertised only if the advertising =
routers
has checked the 2-way connectivity.

Thanks
Fabien



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Hi Fabien,

pls see inline.



Hi,

I have some comment/questions on this topic.

First about the link type I would be concerned if we use the same link =
type
for intra and inter domain link because I think it may lead to some
confusion on legacy system.
RFC3630 states that unrecognised sub TLV must be ignored.=20
So a legacy system will actually see inter domain link as intra domain =
link.
Generally this would probably have no consequence but the link Id of =
intra
and inter AS link, if I understand correctly, are allocated from 2 =
different
address spaces.
So an inter AS link Id may actually match an OSPF router Id of the local
domain.
In this case I think it may lead to some wrong intra AS path computation
from legacy system.

Besides I don't really see the advantage of having a single link type.

Mach>> Agree, a deferent link type will bring us many benifits. i.e. =
giving
a easy way to identify a inter-AS link, OAM ...

A question: is the AS sub TLV mandatory? I guess yes but I'm not sure =
the
draft states it.

Mach>> Yes, for inter-AS TE link, the AS number attribute is essential, =
as I
pointed out in my previous message, the AS number is needed in the =
PCE-based
path computation senario.=20

Another question for my understanding about the need to advertise both
directions of the TE link.=20
I'm not sure to understand what is the goal of this.
Is it to be able to advertise asymmetric TE information for each =
direction
of the link?

Mach>> Since there is no OSPF adjancy runing on the inter-AS TE links,  =
to
advertise both directions of the TE link can make sure that the inter-AS =
TE
link is valid for path computation. As Vishwas Manral said, CSPF
implementations will do a two way check before using the TE link for =
path
computation.

Best regards,
Mach


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eager 'The Apulian peasants, comfortable according to modern sin Baglivi'=
s =7B4=7D account, also hunt the Tarantula by imitating the Then where ar=
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r that room now. A wish he could.
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bruise windmill, though he stoutly ignored the fact, '"Ruricolae nostri s=
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f at the expense
 
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"FORESTERS! To be quality sure!" said Master Chuter. "What did I cover sa=
y? winter Have morning the schoolmaster in, says I. He b invite It was gr=
owing dark, won but the exhibition wax had fork been so successful that d=
ay, and the crowd was still so In this string chain of cocoons, which alw=
ays is the tall oldest, which the youngest? The held oldest is obviously =
the bott Suddenly a flush came over Jan's monkey wan cheeks. A baker who =
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Hi Acee,

Acee Lindem <acee@redback.com> wrote:

> Hi Hiroaki,
> 
> On Jul 26, 2007, at 12:36 AM, KASHIMA Hiroaki wrote:
> 
> > in draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-update-16.txt: 3.4.3.3
> > top of page 32
> >
> >>    o  The Options field in the network-LSA is set to the logical  
> >> OR of
> >>       the Options fields contained within the link's associated link-
> >>       LSAs.  In this way, the network link exhibits a capability  
> >> when at
> >>       least one of the link's routers requests that the capability be
> >>       advertised.
> >
> > Is it unnecessary to check whether the adv-router is alive?
> 
> At this point we are traversing our list of fully adjacent neighbors  
> which implies that the router originating the network-LSA believes  
> the router being examined to be alive.

I understand it is yes when I walking neighbor database
to write neighbor list on Network-LSA.
However your point is when I walk NEIGHBOR database
to build neighbor list of the Network-LSA.

The same check is also necessary when I walk link LS database 
to build Options field, isn't it?


Thank you.
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Hi Fabien,
Sorry for delay reply.
pls see inline.
> 
> Hi Mach,
> 
> Thanks for the fast answer.
> I still have some comments:
> 
> >Mach>> Yes, for inter-AS TE link, the AS number attribute is essential,
as
> > I pointed out in my previous message, the AS number is needed in the
PCE-
> > based path computation senario.
> 
> To be more precise, my question is not to know if the AS number sub TLV is
> useful cause I agree that it is.
> But rather is it madatory to encode such sub TLV in each inter domain TE
> link.
> There are some scenario where it is useful (e.g. PCE based path
> computation), maybe it is not in some other scenarios.
> 
> For instance RFC3630 states that " The Link Type and Link ID sub-TLVs are
> mandatory, i.e., must appear exactly once", and I think the same kind
> statement should be done to explicitly indicate if the AS number sub TLV
is
> mandatory or optional in case of inter domain TE link.
Yes, we will make such statement in the next revision.
As to mandatory or optional, although the AS number attribute of an inter-AS
TE links is very useful for many computation scenarios, but only if there is
one scenario that does not need the AS number attribute, the AS number
sub-TLV should not be mandatory, so optional is more reasonable for the AS
number sub-TLV.
> 
> Note that if it is optional it is even more important to have a different
> link type.
> 
> >Mach>> Since there is no OSPF adjancy runing on the inter-AS TE links,
to
> >advertise both directions of the TE link can make sure that the inter-AS
TE
> >link is valid for path computation. As Vishwas Manral said, CSPF
> >implementations will do a two way check before using the TE link for path
> >computation.
> 
> Ok. But then if the only purpose of having 2 links LSA is to be able to do
2
> way connectivity check, why not rather stating that the inter domain TE
link
> is bidirectional (unlike intra domain link).
> That is, this TE link would be advertised only if the advertising routers
> has checked the 2-way connectivity.
A bidirectional inter-AS link is an option. But, IMO, from the aspect of
implementing (especially CSPF),  using 2 link LSAs as current intra-area TE
does is simpler than using a new bidirectional inter-AS LSA. Anyway, there
should be mechanism to advertise the backward directions of an inter-AS
links, the ASBR within local AS will do the "proxy" advertisement. So, no
matter which option is adopted, the objective is to make few changes to the
current mechanisms. We would like to hear suggestion from implementers.

> 
> Thanks
> Fabien
> 
> 
> 

Best regards,
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>> To be more precise, my question is not to know if the AS number
>> sub TLV is useful cause I agree that it is.
>> But rather is it madatory to encode such sub TLV in each inter
>> domain TE link.
>> There are some scenario where it is useful (e.g. PCE based path
>> computation), maybe it is not in some other scenarios.
>>
>> For instance RFC3630 states that " The Link Type and Link ID
>> sub-TLVs are mandatory, i.e., must appear exactly once", and
>> I think the same kind statement should be done to explicitly
>> indicate if the AS number sub TLV is mandatory or optional
>> in case of inter domain TE link.
>
> Yes, we will make such statement in the next revision.
>
> As to mandatory or optional, although the AS number attribute of
> an inter-AS TE links is very useful for many computation scenarios,
> but only if there is one scenario that does not need the AS number
> attribute, the AS number sub-TLV should not be mandatory, so
> optional is more reasonable for the AS number sub-TLV.

I think quite the oposite!

If there is one scenario where the information is required then 
advertisement is mandatory. Consider that the advertising router does not 
know to what use the information will be put. Therefore, you cannot allow 
the advertising router to make an arbitrary decision about what information 
to advertise - that would potentially make the advertisement useless.

The only reason that you would make this less than a MUST, would be if you 
find policy reasons why the AS number might be withheld.

>>> Since there is no OSPF adjancy runing on the inter-AS TE
>>> links, to advertise both directions of the TE link can
>>> make sure that the inter-AS TE link is valid for path
>>> computation. As Vishwas Manral said, CSPF implementations
>>> will do a two way check before using the TE link for path
>>> computation.
>>
>> Ok. But then if the only purpose of having 2 links LSA is
>> to be able to do 2 way connectivity check, why not rather
>> stating that the inter domain TE link is bidirectional
>> (unlike intra domain link).
>> That is, this TE link would be advertised only if the
>> advertising routers has checked the 2-way connectivity.
>
> A bidirectional inter-AS link is an option. But, IMO,
> from the aspect of implementing (especially CSPF),  using
> 2 link LSAs as current intra-area TE does is simpler than
> using a new bidirectional inter-AS LSA.

Right. We don;t want to force changes to core code (such as CSPF) for this 
new function.

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Hi Hiroaki,

On Jul 29, 2007, at 8:20 PM, KASHIMA Hiroaki wrote:

> Hi Acee,
>
> Acee Lindem <acee@redback.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Hiroaki,
>>
>> On Jul 26, 2007, at 12:36 AM, KASHIMA Hiroaki wrote:
>>
>>> in draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-update-16.txt: 3.4.3.3
>>> top of page 32
>>>
>>>>    o  The Options field in the network-LSA is set to the logical
>>>> OR of
>>>>       the Options fields contained within the link's associated  
>>>> link-
>>>>       LSAs.  In this way, the network link exhibits a capability
>>>> when at
>>>>       least one of the link's routers requests that the  
>>>> capability be
>>>>       advertised.
>>>
>>> Is it unnecessary to check whether the adv-router is alive?
>>
>> At this point we are traversing our list of fully adjacent neighbors
>> which implies that the router originating the network-LSA believes
>> the router being examined to be alive.
>
> I understand it is yes when I walking neighbor database
> to write neighbor list on Network-LSA.
> However your point is when I walk NEIGHBOR database
> to build neighbor list of the Network-LSA.
>
> The same check is also necessary when I walk link LS database
> to build Options field, isn't it?

Yes - only the options for full neighbors will be logically OR'ed  
into the network-LSA options.

Thanks,
Acee

>
>
> Thank you.
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MOSPF has never really been fully specified in RFC 2740 and, to the  
best of my knowledge, has never been implemented. Hence, we again had  
some discussions about removing it from the respin. I've made the  
changes but have not submitting them. I've also attempted to reclaim  
the MC-bit in the prefix options since this was never fully specified  
either and has proved to be grossly inadequate to separate unicast  
and multicast topologies. Please send comments ASAP. If I don't hear  
any serious dissent I'll submit the update and we'll do a quick re-WGLC.

Thanks,
Acee

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*** 82,89 ****
      addition, option handling has been made more flexible.

      All of OSPF for IPv4's optional capabilities, including demand
!    circuit support, Not-So-Stubby Areas (NSSAs), and the multicast
!    extensions to OSPF (MOSPF) are also supported in OSPF for IPv6.



--- 82,89 ----
      addition, option handling has been made more flexible.

      All of OSPF for IPv4's optional capabilities, including demand
!    circuit support and Not-So-Stubby Areas (NSSAs) are also  
supported in
!    OSPF for IPv6.



***************
*** 828,844 ****
      LSAs, network-LSAs, inter-area-prefix-LSAs, inter-area-router- 
LSAs,
      and intra-area-prefix-LSAs.  LSAs with unknown LS type, U-bit  
set to
      1 (flood even when unrecognized) and area scope also appear in the
!    area data structure.  IPv6 routers implementing MOSPF add group-
!    membership-LSAs to the area data structure.  NSSA-LSAs are also
!    included in an NSSA area's data structure.





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   3.1.2.  The Interface Data structure
--- 828,844 ----
      LSAs, network-LSAs, inter-area-prefix-LSAs, inter-area-router- 
LSAs,
      and intra-area-prefix-LSAs.  LSAs with unknown LS type, U-bit  
set to
      1 (flood even when unrecognized) and area scope also appear in the
!    area data structure.  NSSA-LSAs are also included in an NSSA area's
!    data structure.
!





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   3.1.2.  The Interface Data structure
***************
*** 1086,1094 ****
      o  The Options field within Database Description packets has moved
         around, getting larger in the process.  More options bits  
are now
         possible.  Those that MUST be set correctly in Database
!       Description packets are: The MC-bit is set if and only if the
!       router is forwarding multicast datagrams according to the MOSPF
!       specification in [MOSPF], and the DC-bit is set if and only  
if the
         router wishes to suppress the sending of Hellos over the  
interface
         (see [DEMAND]).  Unrecognized bits in the Database Description
         packet's Options field should be cleared.
--- 1086,1092 ----
      o  The Options field within Database Description packets has moved
         around, getting larger in the process.  More options bits  
are now
         possible.  Those that MUST be set correctly in Database
!       Description packets are: The DC-bit is set if and only if the
         router wishes to suppress the sending of Hellos over the  
interface
         (see [DEMAND]).  Unrecognized bits in the Database Description
         packet's Options field should be cleared.
***************
*** 1577,1591 ****
      should be set unless the router will not participate in transit  
IPv6
      routing.  The E-bit should be clear if and only if the attached  
area
      is an OSPF stub or OSPF NSSA area.  The E-bit should always be  
set in
!    AS scoped LSAs.  The MC-bit should be set if and only if the router
!    is running MOSPF and the LSA is to be used in the multicast SPF
!    computation (see [MOSPF]).  The N-bit should be set if and only if
!    the attached area is an OSPF NSSA area.  The R-bit should be set
!    unless the router will not participate in any transit routing.  The
!    DC-bit should be set if and only if the router can correctly  
process
!    the DoNotAge bit when it appears in the LS age field of LSAs (see
!    [DEMAND]).  All unrecognized bits in the Options field should be
!    cleared.

      The V6-bit and R-bit are only examined in Router-LSAs during  
the SPF
      computation.  In other LSA types containing options, they are  
set for
--- 1577,1588 ----
      should be set unless the router will not participate in transit  
IPv6
      routing.  The E-bit should be clear if and only if the attached  
area
      is an OSPF stub or OSPF NSSA area.  The E-bit should always be  
set in
!    AS scoped LSAs.  The N-bit should be set if and only if the  
attached
!    area is an OSPF NSSA area.  The R-bit should be set unless the  
router
!    will not participate in any transit routing.  The DC-bit should be
!    set if and only if the router can correctly process the DoNotAge  
bit
!    when it appears in the LS age field of LSAs (see [DEMAND]).  All
!    unrecognized bits in the Options field should be cleared.

      The V6-bit and R-bit are only examined in Router-LSAs during  
the SPF
      computation.  In other LSA types containing options, they are  
set for
***************
*** 1603,1610 ****
      State ID fields.

      To the left of the Options field, the router capability bits V, E,
!    and B should be set according to Section 12.4.1 of [OSPFV2].  Bit W
!    should be coded according to [MOSPF].

      Each of the router's interfaces to the area are then described by
      appending "link descriptions" to the router-LSA.  Each link
--- 1600,1606 ----
      State ID fields.

      To the left of the Options field, the router capability bits V, E,
!    and B should be set according to Section 12.4.1 of [OSPFV2].

      Each of the router's interfaces to the area are then described by
      appending "link descriptions" to the router-LSA.  Each link
***************
*** 1732,1748 ****



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         Designated Router.

      o  The Options field in the network-LSA is set to the logical  
OR of
         the Options fields contained within the link's associated link-
!       LSAs.  In this way, the network link exhibits a capability  
when at
!       least one of the link's routers requests that the capability be
         advertised.

      As an example, assuming that Router RT4 has been elected  
Designated
--- 1732,1749 ----



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         Designated Router.

      o  The Options field in the network-LSA is set to the logical  
OR of
         the Options fields contained within the link's associated link-
!       LSAs corresponding to fully adjacent neighbors.  In this way,  
the
!       network link exhibits a capability when at least one fully
!       adjacent neighbor on the link requests that the capability be
         advertised.

      As an example, assuming that Router RT4 has been elected  
Designated
***************
*** 1787,1801 ****



!
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!    o  The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear.  The  
coding
!       of the MC-bit depends upon whether, and if so how, MOSPF is
!       operating in the routing domain (see [MOSPF]).

      o  Link-local addresses MUST never be advertised in inter-area-
         prefix-LSAs.
--- 1788,1799 ----



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!    o  The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear.

      o  Link-local addresses MUST never be advertised in inter-area-
         prefix-LSAs.
***************
*** 1894,1916 ****
         Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body.  Network  
Mask
         is no longer specified.

!    o  The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear.  The  
coding
!       of the MC-bit depends upon whether, and if so how, MOSPF is
!       operating in the routing domain (see [MOSPF]).
!




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!    o  Link-local addresses can never be advertised in AS-external- 
LSAs.

-    o  The forwarding address is present in the AS-external-LSA if and
-       only if the AS-external-LSA's bit F is set.

      o  The external route tag is present in the AS-external-LSA if and
         only if the AS-external-LSA's bit T is set.
--- 1892,1911 ----
         Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body.  Network  
Mask
         is no longer specified.

!    o  The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear.

+    o  Link-local addresses can never be advertised in AS-external- 
LSAs.

+    o  The forwarding address is present in the AS-external-LSA if and
+       only if the AS-external-LSA's bit F is set.




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      o  The external route tag is present in the AS-external-LSA if and
         only if the AS-external-LSA's bit T is set.
***************
*** 1982,1990 ****
         Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body.  Network  
Mask
         is no longer specified.

!    o  The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear.  The  
coding
!       of the MC-bit depends upon whether, and if so how, MOSPF is
!       operating in the routing domain (see [MOSPF]).

      o  Link-local addresses can never be advertised in NSSA-LSAs.

--- 1971,1977 ----
         Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body.  Network  
Mask
         is no longer specified.

!    o  The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear.

      o  Link-local addresses can never be advertised in NSSA-LSAs.

***************
*** 2450,2475 ****
      area-prefix-LSAs (0x2003), inter-area-router-LSAs (0x2004),  
NSSA-LSAs
      (0x2007), AS-external-LSAs (0x4005), link-LSAs (0x0008), and  
Intra-
      Area-Prefix-LSAs (0x2009) are assumed to be understood by all
!    routers.  However, not all LS types are understood by all routers,
!    For example, the group-membership-LSA (0x2006) is understood  
only by
!    MOSPF routers and since it has its U-bit set to 0.  This LS Type
!    should only be flooded to a non-MOSPF neighbor (determined by
!    examining the MC-bit in the neighbor's Database Description  
packets'
!    Options field) when the neighbor is Designated Router or Backup
!    Designated Router for the attached link.
!
!    The previous paragraph solves a problem for IPv4 OSPF extensions  
such
!
!
!
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!

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!
!
!    as MOSPF, which require that the Designated Router support the
!    extension in order to have the new LSA types flooded across  
broadcast
!    and NBMA networks (see Section 10.2 of [MOSPF]).

   3.5.3.  Installing LSAs in the database

--- 2422,2436 ----
      area-prefix-LSAs (0x2003), inter-area-router-LSAs (0x2004),  
NSSA-LSAs
      (0x2007), AS-external-LSAs (0x4005), link-LSAs (0x0008), and  
Intra-
      Area-Prefix-LSAs (0x2009) are assumed to be understood by all
!    routers.  However, all LS types MAY not be understood by all  
routers.
!    For example, a new LSA type with its U-bit set to 0 MAY only be
!    understood by a subset of routers.  This new LS Type should only be
!    flooded to an OSPF neighbor that understands the LS type or when  
the
!    neighbor that doesn't understand it is Designated Router or Backup
!    Designated Router for the attached link.  This allows the LSA to be
!    flooded on the local link even if either the router elected
!    Designated Router or Backup Designated Router doesn't understand  
the
!    LS type.

   3.5.3.  Installing LSAs in the database

***************
*** 3395,3406 ****
      neighbor relationships from forming (e.g., the E-bit below); these
      mismatches are discovered through the sending and receiving of  
Hello
      packets.  Some option mismatches prevent particular LSA types from
!    being flooded across adjacencies (e.g., the MC-bit below); these  
are
!    discovered through the sending and receiving of Database  
Description
!    packets.  Some option mismatches prevent routers from being  
included
!    in one or more of the various routing calculations because of their
!    reduced functionality (again, the MC-bit is an example); these
!    mismatches are discovered by examining LSAs.

      Seven bits of the OSPF Options field have been assigned.  Each  
bit is
      described briefly below.  Routers should reset (i.e., clear)
--- 3395,3405 ----
      neighbor relationships from forming (e.g., the E-bit below); these
      mismatches are discovered through the sending and receiving of  
Hello
      packets.  Some option mismatches prevent particular LSA types from
!    being flooded across adjacencies these are discovered through the
!    sending and receiving of Database Description packets.  Some option
!    mismatches prevent routers from being included in one or more of  
the
!    various routing calculations because of their reduced  
functionality;
!    these mismatches are discovered by examining LSAs.

      Seven bits of the OSPF Options field have been assigned.  Each  
bit is
      described briefly below.  Routers should reset (i.e., clear)
***************
*** 3414,3429 ****



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                                  1                    2
!            0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8  9 0  1  2  3
!           +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+--+--+--+
!           | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |*|*|DC|R|N|MC| E|V6|
!           +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+--+--+--+

                              The Options field

--- 3413,3429 ----



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                                  1                    2
!            0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8  9 0 1  2  3
!           +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+--+
!           | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |*|*|DC|R|N|x| E|V6|
!           +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+--+

                              The Options field

***************
*** 3438,3446 ****
         This bit describes the way AS-external-LSAs are flooded, as
         described in Sections 3.6, 9.5, 10.8, and 12.1.2 of [OSPFV2].

!    MC-bit
!       This bit describes whether IP multicast datagrams are forwarded
!       according to the specifications in [MOSPF].

      N-bit
         This bit indicates whether or not the router is attached to an
--- 3438,3447 ----
         This bit describes the way AS-external-LSAs are flooded, as
         described in Sections 3.6, 9.5, 10.8, and 12.1.2 of [OSPFV2].

!    x-Bit
!       This bit was previously used by MOSPF (see [MOSPF]) which has  
been
!       deprecated for OSPFv3.  It should be set to 0 and ignored upon
!       reception.  It may be reused in the future.

      N-bit
         This bit indicates whether or not the router is attached to an
***************
*** 4021,4038 ****
      cases or are to be marked as not readvertisable in others.

                        0  1  2  3  4  5  6  7
!                     +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
!                     |  |  |  |DN| P|MC|LA|NU|
!                     +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+






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                            The Prefix Options field
--- 4021,4038 ----
      cases or are to be marked as not readvertisable in others.

                        0  1  2  3  4  5  6  7
!                     +--+--+--+--+--+-+--+--+
!                     |  |  |  |DN| P|x|LA|NU|
!                     +--+--+--+--+--+-+--+--+






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                            The Prefix Options field
***************
*** 4050,4059 ****
         Section 3.4.3.9.  An implementation MAY also set the LA-bit for
         prefixes advertised with a host PrefixLength (128).

!    MC-bit
!       The "multicast" capability bit.  If set, the prefix should be
!       included in IPv6 multicast routing calculations.  If not set, it
!       should be excluded.

      P-bit
         The "propagate" bit.  Set on NSSA area prefixes that should be
--- 4050,4060 ----
         Section 3.4.3.9.  An implementation MAY also set the LA-bit for
         prefixes advertised with a host PrefixLength (128).

!    x-bit
!       This bit was previously defined as a "multicast" capability bit.
!       However, the use was never adequately specified and it is being
!       deprecated.  It is set to 0 and ignored upon reception.  It  
may be
!       reused in the future.

      P-bit
         The "propagate" bit.  Set on NSSA area prefixes that should be
***************
*** 4193,4209 ****

      The LSA function codes are defined as follows.  The origination  
and
      processing of these LSA function codes are defined elsewhere in  
this
!    document, except for the group-membership-LSA (see [MOSPF]) and the
!    NSSA-LSA (see [NSSA]).  As shown below, each LSA function code also



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!    implies a specific setting for the U, S1, and S2 bits.


               LSA function code   LS Type   Description
--- 4193,4210 ----

      The LSA function codes are defined as follows.  The origination  
and
      processing of these LSA function codes are defined elsewhere in  
this
!    document, except for the NSSA-LSA (see [NSSA]) and 0x2006 which was
!    previously used by MOSPF (see [MOSPF]).  MOSPF has been deprecated



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!    for OSPFv3.  As shown below, each LSA function code also implies a
!    specific setting for the U, S1, and S2 bits.


               LSA function code   LS Type   Description
***************
*** 4213,4219 ****
               3                   0x2003    Inter-Area-Prefix-LSA
               4                   0x2004    Inter-Area-Router-LSA
               5                   0x4005    AS-external-LSA
!             6                   0x2006    Group-membership-LSA
               7                   0x2007    NSSA-LSA
               8                   0x0008    Link-LSA
               9                   0x2009    Intra-Area-Prefix-LSA
--- 4214,4220 ----
               3                   0x2003    Inter-Area-Prefix-LSA
               4                   0x2004    Inter-Area-Router-LSA
               5                   0x4005    AS-external-LSA
!             6                   0x2006    Deprecated (May be reused)
               7                   0x2007    NSSA-LSA
               8                   0x0008    Link-LSA
               9                   0x2009    Intra-Area-Prefix-LSA
***************
*** 4272,4278 ****
         +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- 
+-+-+
         |        LS Checksum             |             
Length             |
         +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- 
+-+-+
!       |  0  |Nt|W|V|E|B|             
Options                            |
         +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- 
+-+-+
         |     Type       |       0       |           
Metric               |
         +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- 
+-+-+
--- 4272,4278 ----
         +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- 
+-+-+
         |        LS Checksum             |             
Length             |
         +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- 
+-+-+
!       |  0  |Nt|x|V|E|B|             
Options                            |
         +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- 
+-+-+
         |     Type       |       0       |           
Metric               |
         +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- 
+-+-+
***************
*** 4326,4336 ****
      Bit B
         When set, the router is an area border router (B is for  
border).

!    Bit W
!       When set, the router is a wild-card multicast receiver.  When
!       running MOSPF, these routers receive all multicast datagrams,
!       regardless of destination.  See Sections 3, 4, and A.2 of  
[MOSPF]
!       for details.

      Bit Nt
         When set, the router is an NSSA border router that is
--- 4326,4335 ----
      Bit B
         When set, the router is an area border router (B is for  
border).

!    Bit x
!       This bit was previously used by MOSPF (see [MOSPF]) which has  
been
!       deprecated for OSPFv3.  It should be set to 0 and ignored upon
!       reception.  It may be reused in the future.

      Bit Nt
         When set, the router is an NSSA border router that is
***************
*** 5796,5806 ****
--- 5796,5814 ----
      o  Add new prefix options and options field bits added in this
         document to the IANA considerations.  Refer to Section 5.

+ E.18.  Changes from the 16 Version to the 17 Version

+    The section contains list of changes from version 16 to version 17:


+    o  Changes to deprecate MOSPF for OSPFv3.  Refer to Appendix A.2,
+       Appendix A.4.2.1, and Appendix A.4.3.

+    o  Deprecate the MC-bit in the prefix options which was never
+       adequated specified.  Refer to Appendix A.4.1.1.

+    o  Clarify the setting of the options in the network-LSA.  Refer to
+       Appendix A.4.4.



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        RFC 4970



        Title:      Extensions to OSPF for Advertising 

                    Optional Router Capabilities 

        Author:     A. Lindem, Ed.,

                    N. Shen, JP. Vasseur,

                    R. Aggarwal, S. Shaffer

        Status:     Standards Track

        Date:       July 2007

        Mailbox:    acee@redback.com, 

                    naiming@cisco.com, 

                    jpv@cisco.com,  rahul@juniper.net, 

                    sshaffer@bridgeport-networks.com

        Pages:      13

        Characters: 26416

        Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:   None



        I-D Tag:    draft-ietf-ospf-cap-11.txt



        URL:        http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4970.txt



It is useful for routers in an OSPFv2 or OSPFv3 routing domain to

know the capabilities of their neighbors and other routers in the

routing domain.  This document proposes extensions to OSPFv2 and

OSPFv3 for advertising optional router capabilities.  A new Router

Information (RI) Link State Advertisement (LSA) is proposed for this

purpose.  In OSPFv2, the RI LSA will be implemented with a new opaque

LSA type ID.  In OSPFv3, the RI LSA will be implemented with a new

LSA type function code.  In both protocols, the RI LSA can be

advertised at any of the defined flooding scopes (link, area, or

autonomous system (AS)).  [STANDARDS TRACK]



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