From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 01 10:22:27 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGF5b-0001b4-LT; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 10:22:15 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGF5Z-0001ay-8I for ospf@ietf.org; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 10:22:13 -0400 Received: from zrtps0kn.nortel.com ([47.140.192.55]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGF5W-0000PW-QW for ospf@ietf.org; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 10:22:13 -0400 Received: from zrtphxm1.corp.nortel.com (zrtphxm1.corp.nortel.com [47.140.202.50]) by zrtps0kn.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id l71EM8s11424; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 14:22:08 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [OSPF] Removal of MOSPF from OSPFv3 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 10:22:04 -0400 Message-ID: <4B7DAC3FEFD35D4A96BDD011699050140A4245F9@zrtphxm1.corp.nortel.com> In-Reply-To: <66A3A59B-F3DA-437C-9107-67C36A4B93F7@redback.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OSPF] Removal of MOSPF from OSPFv3 thread-index: AcfTvwB/mQLdra7ZSC+iefDbTVHBtQAiEcng References: <66A3A59B-F3DA-437C-9107-67C36A4B93F7@redback.com> From: "Daniel Joyal" To: "Acee Lindem" , "OSPF List" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 47dfdcb76bc7cdf600c30037ff1750ed Cc: X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org This also has an impact to the OSPFv3 MIB which has multicast-specific objects that would need to be removed. -Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee@redback.com]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:03 PM > To: OSPF List > Subject: [OSPF] Removal of MOSPF from OSPFv3 >=20 > MOSPF has never really been fully specified in RFC 2740 and,=20 > to the best of my knowledge, has never been implemented.=20 > Hence, we again had some discussions about removing it from=20 > the respin. I've made the changes but have not submitting=20 > them. I've also attempted to reclaim the MC-bit in the prefix=20 > options since this was never fully specified either and has=20 > proved to be grossly inadequate to separate unicast and=20 > multicast topologies. Please send comments ASAP. If I don't=20 > hear any serious dissent I'll submit the update and we'll do=20 > a quick re-WGLC. >=20 > Thanks, > Acee >=20 > *************** > *** 82,89 **** > addition, option handling has been made more flexible. >=20 > All of OSPF for IPv4's optional capabilities, including demand > ! circuit support, Not-So-Stubby Areas (NSSAs), and the multicast > ! extensions to OSPF (MOSPF) are also supported in OSPF for IPv6. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- 82,89 ---- > addition, option handling has been made more flexible. >=20 > All of OSPF for IPv4's optional capabilities, including demand > ! circuit support and Not-So-Stubby Areas (NSSAs) are also =20 > supported in > ! OSPF for IPv6. >=20 >=20 >=20 > *************** > *** 828,844 **** > LSAs, network-LSAs, inter-area-prefix-LSAs,=20 > inter-area-router- LSAs, > and intra-area-prefix-LSAs. LSAs with unknown LS type,=20 > U-bit set to > 1 (flood even when unrecognized) and area scope also=20 > appear in the > ! area data structure. IPv6 routers implementing MOSPF add group- > ! membership-LSAs to the area data structure. NSSA-LSAs are also > ! included in an NSSA area's data structure. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 =20 > [Page 15] >=20 >=20 > ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 =20 > May =20 > 2007 >=20 >=20 > 3.1.2. The Interface Data structure > --- 828,844 ---- > LSAs, network-LSAs, inter-area-prefix-LSAs,=20 > inter-area-router- LSAs, > and intra-area-prefix-LSAs. LSAs with unknown LS type,=20 > U-bit set to > 1 (flood even when unrecognized) and area scope also=20 > appear in the > ! area data structure. NSSA-LSAs are also included in an=20 > NSSA area's > ! data structure. > ! >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 =20 > [Page 15] >=20 >=20 > ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 =20 > August =20 > 2007 >=20 >=20 > 3.1.2. The Interface Data structure > *************** > *** 1086,1094 **** > o The Options field within Database Description=20 > packets has moved > around, getting larger in the process. More options=20 > bits are now > possible. Those that MUST be set correctly in Database > ! Description packets are: The MC-bit is set if and only if the > ! router is forwarding multicast datagrams according to=20 > the MOSPF > ! specification in [MOSPF], and the DC-bit is set if and only =20 > if the > router wishes to suppress the sending of Hellos over=20 > the interface > (see [DEMAND]). Unrecognized bits in the Database=20 > Description > packet's Options field should be cleared. > --- 1086,1092 ---- > o The Options field within Database Description=20 > packets has moved > around, getting larger in the process. More options=20 > bits are now > possible. Those that MUST be set correctly in Database > ! Description packets are: The DC-bit is set if and only if the > router wishes to suppress the sending of Hellos over=20 > the interface > (see [DEMAND]). Unrecognized bits in the Database=20 > Description > packet's Options field should be cleared. > *************** > *** 1577,1591 **** > should be set unless the router will not participate in transit > IPv6 > routing. The E-bit should be clear if and only if the=20 > attached area > is an OSPF stub or OSPF NSSA area. The E-bit should=20 > always be set in > ! AS scoped LSAs. The MC-bit should be set if and only if=20 > the router > ! is running MOSPF and the LSA is to be used in the multicast SPF > ! computation (see [MOSPF]). The N-bit should be set if=20 > and only if > ! the attached area is an OSPF NSSA area. The R-bit should be set > ! unless the router will not participate in any transit=20 > routing. The > ! DC-bit should be set if and only if the router can correctly =20 > process > ! the DoNotAge bit when it appears in the LS age field of LSAs (see > ! [DEMAND]). All unrecognized bits in the Options field should be > ! cleared. >=20 > The V6-bit and R-bit are only examined in Router-LSAs=20 > during the SPF > computation. In other LSA types containing options,=20 > they are set for > --- 1577,1588 ---- > should be set unless the router will not participate in transit > IPv6 > routing. The E-bit should be clear if and only if the=20 > attached area > is an OSPF stub or OSPF NSSA area. The E-bit should=20 > always be set in > ! AS scoped LSAs. The N-bit should be set if and only if the =20 > attached > ! area is an OSPF NSSA area. The R-bit should be set unless the =20 > router > ! will not participate in any transit routing. The DC-bit=20 > should be > ! set if and only if the router can correctly process the=20 > DoNotAge =20 > bit > ! when it appears in the LS age field of LSAs (see [DEMAND]). All > ! unrecognized bits in the Options field should be cleared. >=20 > The V6-bit and R-bit are only examined in Router-LSAs=20 > during the SPF > computation. In other LSA types containing options,=20 > they are set for > *************** > *** 1603,1610 **** > State ID fields. >=20 > To the left of the Options field, the router capability=20 > bits V, E, > ! and B should be set according to Section 12.4.1 of=20 > [OSPFV2]. Bit W > ! should be coded according to [MOSPF]. >=20 > Each of the router's interfaces to the area are then=20 > described by > appending "link descriptions" to the router-LSA. Each link > --- 1600,1606 ---- > State ID fields. >=20 > To the left of the Options field, the router capability=20 > bits V, E, > ! and B should be set according to Section 12.4.1 of [OSPFV2]. >=20 > Each of the router's interfaces to the area are then=20 > described by > appending "link descriptions" to the router-LSA. Each link > *************** > *** 1732,1748 **** >=20 >=20 >=20 > ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 =20 > [Page 31] >=20 >=20 > ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 =20 > May =20 > 2007 >=20 >=20 > Designated Router. >=20 > o The Options field in the network-LSA is set to the=20 > logical OR of > the Options fields contained within the link's=20 > associated link- > ! LSAs. In this way, the network link exhibits a capability =20 > when at > ! least one of the link's routers requests that the=20 > capability be > advertised. >=20 > As an example, assuming that Router RT4 has been=20 > elected Designated > --- 1732,1749 ---- >=20 >=20 >=20 > ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 =20 > [Page 31] >=20 >=20 > ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 =20 > August =20 > 2007 >=20 >=20 > Designated Router. >=20 > o The Options field in the network-LSA is set to the=20 > logical OR of > the Options fields contained within the link's=20 > associated link- > ! LSAs corresponding to fully adjacent neighbors. In=20 > this way, =20 > the > ! network link exhibits a capability when at least one fully > ! adjacent neighbor on the link requests that the capability be > advertised. >=20 > As an example, assuming that Router RT4 has been=20 > elected Designated > *************** > *** 1787,1801 **** >=20 >=20 >=20 > ! > ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 =20 > [Page 32] >=20 >=20 > ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 =20 > May =20 > 2007 >=20 >=20 > ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. The =20 > coding > ! of the MC-bit depends upon whether, and if so how, MOSPF is > ! operating in the routing domain (see [MOSPF]). >=20 > o Link-local addresses MUST never be advertised in inter-area- > prefix-LSAs. > --- 1788,1799 ---- >=20 >=20 >=20 > ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 =20 > [Page 32] >=20 >=20 > ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 =20 > August =20 > 2007 >=20 >=20 > ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. >=20 > o Link-local addresses MUST never be advertised in inter-area- > prefix-LSAs. > *************** > *** 1894,1916 **** > Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body. =20 > Network Mask > is no longer specified. >=20 > ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. The =20 > coding > ! of the MC-bit depends upon whether, and if so how, MOSPF is > ! operating in the routing domain (see [MOSPF]). > ! >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > - Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 =20 > [Page 34] > - >=20 > - Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 =20 > May =20 > 2007 >=20 >=20 > ! o Link-local addresses can never be advertised in AS-external-=20 > LSAs. >=20 > - o The forwarding address is present in the=20 > AS-external-LSA if and > - only if the AS-external-LSA's bit F is set. >=20 > o The external route tag is present in the=20 > AS-external-LSA if and > only if the AS-external-LSA's bit T is set. > --- 1892,1911 ---- > Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body. =20 > Network Mask > is no longer specified. >=20 > ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. >=20 > + o Link-local addresses can never be advertised in AS-external- > LSAs. >=20 > + o The forwarding address is present in the=20 > AS-external-LSA if and > + only if the AS-external-LSA's bit F is set. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 =20 > [Page 34] > ! >=20 > ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 =20 > August =20 > 2007 >=20 >=20 > o The external route tag is present in the=20 > AS-external-LSA if and > only if the AS-external-LSA's bit T is set. > *************** > *** 1982,1990 **** > Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body. =20 > Network =20 > Mask > is no longer specified. >=20 > ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. The =20 > coding > ! of the MC-bit depends upon whether, and if so how, MOSPF is > ! operating in the routing domain (see [MOSPF]). >=20 > o Link-local addresses can never be advertised in NSSA-LSAs. >=20 > --- 1971,1977 ---- > Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body. =20 > Network =20 > Mask > is no longer specified. >=20 > ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. >=20 > o Link-local addresses can never be advertised in NSSA-LSAs. >=20 > *************** > *** 2450,2475 **** > area-prefix-LSAs (0x2003), inter-area-router-LSAs (0x2004), =20 > NSSA-LSAs > (0x2007), AS-external-LSAs (0x4005), link-LSAs (0x0008), and =20 > Intra- > Area-Prefix-LSAs (0x2009) are assumed to be understood by all > ! routers. However, not all LS types are understood by=20 > all routers, > ! For example, the group-membership-LSA (0x2006) is understood =20 > only by > ! MOSPF routers and since it has its U-bit set to 0. This LS Type > ! should only be flooded to a non-MOSPF neighbor (determined by > ! examining the MC-bit in the neighbor's Database Description =20 > packets' > ! Options field) when the neighbor is Designated Router or Backup > ! Designated Router for the attached link. > ! > ! The previous paragraph solves a problem for IPv4 OSPF=20 > extensions =20 > such > ! > ! > ! > ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 =20 > [Page 44] > ! >=20 > ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 =20 > May =20 > 2007 > ! > ! > ! as MOSPF, which require that the Designated Router support the > ! extension in order to have the new LSA types flooded across =20 > broadcast > ! and NBMA networks (see Section 10.2 of [MOSPF]). >=20 > 3.5.3. Installing LSAs in the database >=20 > --- 2422,2436 ---- > area-prefix-LSAs (0x2003), inter-area-router-LSAs (0x2004), =20 > NSSA-LSAs > (0x2007), AS-external-LSAs (0x4005), link-LSAs (0x0008), and =20 > Intra- > Area-Prefix-LSAs (0x2009) are assumed to be understood by all > ! routers. However, all LS types MAY not be understood by all =20 > routers. > ! For example, a new LSA type with its U-bit set to 0 MAY only be > ! understood by a subset of routers. This new LS Type=20 > should only be > ! flooded to an OSPF neighbor that understands the LS type=20 > or when =20 > the > ! neighbor that doesn't understand it is Designated Router=20 > or Backup > ! Designated Router for the attached link. This allows=20 > the LSA to be > ! flooded on the local link even if either the router elected > ! Designated Router or Backup Designated Router doesn't=20 > understand =20 > the > ! LS type. >=20 > 3.5.3. Installing LSAs in the database >=20 > *************** > *** 3395,3406 **** > neighbor relationships from forming (e.g., the E-bit=20 > below); these > mismatches are discovered through the sending and receiving of =20 > Hello > packets. Some option mismatches prevent particular LSA=20 > types from > ! being flooded across adjacencies (e.g., the MC-bit=20 > below); these =20 > are > ! discovered through the sending and receiving of Database =20 > Description > ! packets. Some option mismatches prevent routers from being =20 > included > ! in one or more of the various routing calculations=20 > because of their > ! reduced functionality (again, the MC-bit is an example); these > ! mismatches are discovered by examining LSAs. >=20 > Seven bits of the OSPF Options field have been assigned. Each =20 > bit is > described briefly below. Routers should reset (i.e., clear) > --- 3395,3405 ---- > neighbor relationships from forming (e.g., the E-bit=20 > below); these > mismatches are discovered through the sending and receiving of =20 > Hello > packets. Some option mismatches prevent particular LSA=20 > types from > ! being flooded across adjacencies these are discovered through the > ! sending and receiving of Database Description packets. =20 > Some option > ! mismatches prevent routers from being included in one or=20 > more of =20 > the > ! various routing calculations because of their reduced =20 > functionality; > ! these mismatches are discovered by examining LSAs. >=20 > Seven bits of the OSPF Options field have been assigned. Each =20 > bit is > described briefly below. Routers should reset (i.e., clear) > *************** > *** 3414,3429 **** >=20 >=20 >=20 > ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 =20 > [Page 61] >=20 >=20 > ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 =20 > May =20 > 2007 >=20 >=20 > 1 2 > ! 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 > ! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+--+--+--+ > ! | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |*|*|DC|R|N|MC| E|V6| > ! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+--+--+--+ >=20 > The Options field >=20 > --- 3413,3429 ---- >=20 >=20 >=20 > ! > ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 =20 > [Page 61] >=20 >=20 > ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 =20 > August =20 > 2007 >=20 >=20 > 1 2 > ! 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 > ! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+--+ > ! | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |*|*|DC|R|N|x| E|V6| > ! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+--+ >=20 > The Options field >=20 > *************** > *** 3438,3446 **** > This bit describes the way AS-external-LSAs are flooded, as > described in Sections 3.6, 9.5, 10.8, and 12.1.2 of [OSPFV2]. >=20 > ! MC-bit > ! This bit describes whether IP multicast datagrams are=20 > forwarded > ! according to the specifications in [MOSPF]. >=20 > N-bit > This bit indicates whether or not the router is=20 > attached to an > --- 3438,3447 ---- > This bit describes the way AS-external-LSAs are flooded, as > described in Sections 3.6, 9.5, 10.8, and 12.1.2 of [OSPFV2]. >=20 > ! x-Bit > ! This bit was previously used by MOSPF (see [MOSPF])=20 > which has =20 > been > ! deprecated for OSPFv3. It should be set to 0 and ignored upon > ! reception. It may be reused in the future. >=20 > N-bit > This bit indicates whether or not the router is=20 > attached to an > *************** > *** 4021,4038 **** > cases or are to be marked as not readvertisable in others. >=20 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 > ! +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+ > ! | | | |DN| P|MC|LA|NU| > ! +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+ >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 =20 > [Page 72] >=20 >=20 > ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 =20 > May =20 > 2007 >=20 >=20 > The Prefix Options field > --- 4021,4038 ---- > cases or are to be marked as not readvertisable in others. >=20 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 > ! +--+--+--+--+--+-+--+--+ > ! | | | |DN| P|x|LA|NU| > ! +--+--+--+--+--+-+--+--+ >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 =20 > [Page 72] >=20 >=20 > ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 =20 > August =20 > 2007 >=20 >=20 > The Prefix Options field > *************** > *** 4050,4059 **** > Section 3.4.3.9. An implementation MAY also set the=20 > LA-bit for > prefixes advertised with a host PrefixLength (128). >=20 > ! MC-bit > ! The "multicast" capability bit. If set, the prefix should be > ! included in IPv6 multicast routing calculations. If=20 > not set, it > ! should be excluded. >=20 > P-bit > The "propagate" bit. Set on NSSA area prefixes that=20 > should be > --- 4050,4060 ---- > Section 3.4.3.9. An implementation MAY also set the=20 > LA-bit for > prefixes advertised with a host PrefixLength (128). >=20 > ! x-bit > ! This bit was previously defined as a "multicast"=20 > capability bit. > ! However, the use was never adequately specified and=20 > it is being > ! deprecated. It is set to 0 and ignored upon reception. It =20 > may be > ! reused in the future. >=20 > P-bit > The "propagate" bit. Set on NSSA area prefixes that=20 > should be > *************** > *** 4193,4209 **** >=20 > The LSA function codes are defined as follows. The=20 > origination =20 > and > processing of these LSA function codes are defined=20 > elsewhere in =20 > this > ! document, except for the group-membership-LSA (see=20 > [MOSPF]) and the > ! NSSA-LSA (see [NSSA]). As shown below, each LSA=20 > function code also >=20 >=20 >=20 > ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 =20 > [Page 75] >=20 >=20 > ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 =20 > May =20 > 2007 >=20 >=20 > ! implies a specific setting for the U, S1, and S2 bits. >=20 >=20 > LSA function code LS Type Description > --- 4193,4210 ---- >=20 > The LSA function codes are defined as follows. The=20 > origination =20 > and > processing of these LSA function codes are defined=20 > elsewhere in =20 > this > ! document, except for the NSSA-LSA (see [NSSA]) and=20 > 0x2006 which was > ! previously used by MOSPF (see [MOSPF]). MOSPF has been=20 > deprecated >=20 >=20 >=20 > ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 =20 > [Page 75] >=20 >=20 > ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 =20 > August =20 > 2007 >=20 >=20 > ! for OSPFv3. As shown below, each LSA function code also=20 > implies a > ! specific setting for the U, S1, and S2 bits. >=20 >=20 > LSA function code LS Type Description > *************** > *** 4213,4219 **** > 3 0x2003 Inter-Area-Prefix-LSA > 4 0x2004 Inter-Area-Router-LSA > 5 0x4005 AS-external-LSA > ! 6 0x2006 Group-membership-LSA > 7 0x2007 NSSA-LSA > 8 0x0008 Link-LSA > 9 0x2009 Intra-Area-Prefix-LSA > --- 4214,4220 ---- > 3 0x2003 Inter-Area-Prefix-LSA > 4 0x2004 Inter-Area-Router-LSA > 5 0x4005 AS-external-LSA > ! 6 0x2006 Deprecated (May be reused) > 7 0x2007 NSSA-LSA > 8 0x0008 Link-LSA > 9 0x2009 Intra-Area-Prefix-LSA > *************** > *** 4272,4278 **** > =20 > +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-=20 > +-+-+ > | LS Checksum | =20 > Length | > =20 > +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-=20 > +-+-+ > ! | 0 |Nt|W|V|E|B| =20 > Options | > =20 > +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-=20 > +-+-+ > | Type | 0 | =20 > Metric | > =20 > +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-=20 > +-+-+ > --- 4272,4278 ---- > =20 > +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-=20 > +-+-+ > | LS Checksum | =20 > Length | > =20 > +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-=20 > +-+-+ > ! | 0 |Nt|x|V|E|B| =20 > Options | > =20 > +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-=20 > +-+-+ > | Type | 0 | =20 > Metric | > =20 > +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-=20 > +-+-+ > *************** > *** 4326,4336 **** > Bit B > When set, the router is an area border router (B is for =20 > border). >=20 > ! Bit W > ! When set, the router is a wild-card multicast receiver. When > ! running MOSPF, these routers receive all multicast datagrams, > ! regardless of destination. See Sections 3, 4, and A.2 of =20 > [MOSPF] > ! for details. >=20 > Bit Nt > When set, the router is an NSSA border router that is > --- 4326,4335 ---- > Bit B > When set, the router is an area border router (B is for =20 > border). >=20 > ! Bit x > ! This bit was previously used by MOSPF (see [MOSPF])=20 > which has =20 > been > ! deprecated for OSPFv3. It should be set to 0 and ignored upon > ! reception. It may be reused in the future. >=20 > Bit Nt > When set, the router is an NSSA border router that is > *************** > *** 5796,5806 **** > --- 5796,5814 ---- > o Add new prefix options and options field bits added in this > document to the IANA considerations. Refer to Section 5. >=20 > + E.18. Changes from the 16 Version to the 17 Version >=20 > + The section contains list of changes from version 16 to=20 > version 17: >=20 >=20 > + o Changes to deprecate MOSPF for OSPFv3. Refer to Appendix A.2, > + Appendix A.4.2.1, and Appendix A.4.3. >=20 > + o Deprecate the MC-bit in the prefix options which was never > + adequated specified. Refer to Appendix A.4.1.1. >=20 > + o Clarify the setting of the options in the=20 > network-LSA. 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Message-Id: <93E269EB-87EB-4B6F-B212-B3E15C049B55@redback.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Acee Lindem Subject: Re: [OSPF] Removal of MOSPF from OSPFv3 Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 17:46:46 -0400 To: Daniel Joyal X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at redback.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e2982d6e88dd9e60a92963820c317d50 Cc: OSPF List X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Hi Dan, On Aug 1, 2007, at 10:22 AM, Daniel Joyal wrote: > This also has an impact to the OSPFv3 MIB which has multicast-specific > objects that would need to be removed. Yup. ospfv3MulticastExtensions and ospfv3IfMulticastForwarding could be removed. Anything else? Thanks, Acee > > -Dan > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee@redback.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:03 PM >> To: OSPF List >> Subject: [OSPF] Removal of MOSPF from OSPFv3 >> >> MOSPF has never really been fully specified in RFC 2740 and, >> to the best of my knowledge, has never been implemented. >> Hence, we again had some discussions about removing it from >> the respin. I've made the changes but have not submitting >> them. I've also attempted to reclaim the MC-bit in the prefix >> options since this was never fully specified either and has >> proved to be grossly inadequate to separate unicast and >> multicast topologies. Please send comments ASAP. If I don't >> hear any serious dissent I'll submit the update and we'll do >> a quick re-WGLC. >> >> Thanks, >> Acee >> >> *************** >> *** 82,89 **** >> addition, option handling has been made more flexible. >> >> All of OSPF for IPv4's optional capabilities, including demand >> ! circuit support, Not-So-Stubby Areas (NSSAs), and the multicast >> ! extensions to OSPF (MOSPF) are also supported in OSPF for IPv6. >> >> >> >> --- 82,89 ---- >> addition, option handling has been made more flexible. >> >> All of OSPF for IPv4's optional capabilities, including demand >> ! circuit support and Not-So-Stubby Areas (NSSAs) are also >> supported in >> ! OSPF for IPv6. >> >> >> >> *************** >> *** 828,844 **** >> LSAs, network-LSAs, inter-area-prefix-LSAs, >> inter-area-router- LSAs, >> and intra-area-prefix-LSAs. LSAs with unknown LS type, >> U-bit set to >> 1 (flood even when unrecognized) and area scope also >> appear in the >> ! area data structure. IPv6 routers implementing MOSPF add group- >> ! membership-LSAs to the area data structure. NSSA-LSAs are also >> ! included in an NSSA area's data structure. >> >> >> >> >> >> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 >> [Page 15] >> >> >> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >> May >> 2007 >> >> >> 3.1.2. The Interface Data structure >> --- 828,844 ---- >> LSAs, network-LSAs, inter-area-prefix-LSAs, >> inter-area-router- LSAs, >> and intra-area-prefix-LSAs. LSAs with unknown LS type, >> U-bit set to >> 1 (flood even when unrecognized) and area scope also >> appear in the >> ! area data structure. NSSA-LSAs are also included in an >> NSSA area's >> ! data structure. >> ! >> >> >> >> >> >> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 >> [Page 15] >> >> >> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >> August >> 2007 >> >> >> 3.1.2. The Interface Data structure >> *************** >> *** 1086,1094 **** >> o The Options field within Database Description >> packets has moved >> around, getting larger in the process. More options >> bits are now >> possible. Those that MUST be set correctly in Database >> ! Description packets are: The MC-bit is set if and only if the >> ! router is forwarding multicast datagrams according to >> the MOSPF >> ! specification in [MOSPF], and the DC-bit is set if and only >> if the >> router wishes to suppress the sending of Hellos over >> the interface >> (see [DEMAND]). Unrecognized bits in the Database >> Description >> packet's Options field should be cleared. >> --- 1086,1092 ---- >> o The Options field within Database Description >> packets has moved >> around, getting larger in the process. More options >> bits are now >> possible. Those that MUST be set correctly in Database >> ! Description packets are: The DC-bit is set if and only if the >> router wishes to suppress the sending of Hellos over >> the interface >> (see [DEMAND]). Unrecognized bits in the Database >> Description >> packet's Options field should be cleared. >> *************** >> *** 1577,1591 **** >> should be set unless the router will not participate in transit >> IPv6 >> routing. The E-bit should be clear if and only if the >> attached area >> is an OSPF stub or OSPF NSSA area. The E-bit should >> always be set in >> ! AS scoped LSAs. The MC-bit should be set if and only if >> the router >> ! is running MOSPF and the LSA is to be used in the multicast SPF >> ! computation (see [MOSPF]). The N-bit should be set if >> and only if >> ! the attached area is an OSPF NSSA area. The R-bit should be set >> ! unless the router will not participate in any transit >> routing. The >> ! DC-bit should be set if and only if the router can correctly >> process >> ! the DoNotAge bit when it appears in the LS age field of LSAs >> (see >> ! [DEMAND]). All unrecognized bits in the Options field should be >> ! cleared. >> >> The V6-bit and R-bit are only examined in Router-LSAs >> during the SPF >> computation. In other LSA types containing options, >> they are set for >> --- 1577,1588 ---- >> should be set unless the router will not participate in transit >> IPv6 >> routing. The E-bit should be clear if and only if the >> attached area >> is an OSPF stub or OSPF NSSA area. The E-bit should >> always be set in >> ! AS scoped LSAs. The N-bit should be set if and only if the >> attached >> ! area is an OSPF NSSA area. The R-bit should be set unless the >> router >> ! will not participate in any transit routing. The DC-bit >> should be >> ! set if and only if the router can correctly process the >> DoNotAge >> bit >> ! when it appears in the LS age field of LSAs (see [DEMAND]). All >> ! unrecognized bits in the Options field should be cleared. >> >> The V6-bit and R-bit are only examined in Router-LSAs >> during the SPF >> computation. In other LSA types containing options, >> they are set for >> *************** >> *** 1603,1610 **** >> State ID fields. >> >> To the left of the Options field, the router capability >> bits V, E, >> ! and B should be set according to Section 12.4.1 of >> [OSPFV2]. Bit W >> ! should be coded according to [MOSPF]. >> >> Each of the router's interfaces to the area are then >> described by >> appending "link descriptions" to the router-LSA. Each link >> --- 1600,1606 ---- >> State ID fields. >> >> To the left of the Options field, the router capability >> bits V, E, >> ! and B should be set according to Section 12.4.1 of [OSPFV2]. >> >> Each of the router's interfaces to the area are then >> described by >> appending "link descriptions" to the router-LSA. Each link >> *************** >> *** 1732,1748 **** >> >> >> >> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 >> [Page 31] >> >> >> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >> May >> 2007 >> >> >> Designated Router. >> >> o The Options field in the network-LSA is set to the >> logical OR of >> the Options fields contained within the link's >> associated link- >> ! LSAs. In this way, the network link exhibits a capability >> when at >> ! least one of the link's routers requests that the >> capability be >> advertised. >> >> As an example, assuming that Router RT4 has been >> elected Designated >> --- 1732,1749 ---- >> >> >> >> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 >> [Page 31] >> >> >> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >> August >> 2007 >> >> >> Designated Router. >> >> o The Options field in the network-LSA is set to the >> logical OR of >> the Options fields contained within the link's >> associated link- >> ! LSAs corresponding to fully adjacent neighbors. In >> this way, >> the >> ! network link exhibits a capability when at least one fully >> ! adjacent neighbor on the link requests that the capability be >> advertised. >> >> As an example, assuming that Router RT4 has been >> elected Designated >> *************** >> *** 1787,1801 **** >> >> >> >> ! >> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 >> [Page 32] >> >> >> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >> May >> 2007 >> >> >> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. The >> coding >> ! of the MC-bit depends upon whether, and if so how, MOSPF is >> ! operating in the routing domain (see [MOSPF]). >> >> o Link-local addresses MUST never be advertised in inter-area- >> prefix-LSAs. >> --- 1788,1799 ---- >> >> >> >> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 >> [Page 32] >> >> >> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >> August >> 2007 >> >> >> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. >> >> o Link-local addresses MUST never be advertised in inter-area- >> prefix-LSAs. >> *************** >> *** 1894,1916 **** >> Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body. >> Network Mask >> is no longer specified. >> >> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. The >> coding >> ! of the MC-bit depends upon whether, and if so how, MOSPF is >> ! operating in the routing domain (see [MOSPF]). >> ! >> >> >> >> >> - Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 >> [Page 34] >> - >> >> - Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >> May >> 2007 >> >> >> ! o Link-local addresses can never be advertised in AS-external- >> LSAs. >> >> - o The forwarding address is present in the >> AS-external-LSA if and >> - only if the AS-external-LSA's bit F is set. >> >> o The external route tag is present in the >> AS-external-LSA if and >> only if the AS-external-LSA's bit T is set. >> --- 1892,1911 ---- >> Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body. >> Network Mask >> is no longer specified. >> >> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. >> >> + o Link-local addresses can never be advertised in AS-external- >> LSAs. >> >> + o The forwarding address is present in the >> AS-external-LSA if and >> + only if the AS-external-LSA's bit F is set. >> >> >> >> >> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 >> [Page 34] >> ! >> >> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >> August >> 2007 >> >> >> o The external route tag is present in the >> AS-external-LSA if and >> only if the AS-external-LSA's bit T is set. >> *************** >> *** 1982,1990 **** >> Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body. >> Network >> Mask >> is no longer specified. >> >> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. The >> coding >> ! of the MC-bit depends upon whether, and if so how, MOSPF is >> ! operating in the routing domain (see [MOSPF]). >> >> o Link-local addresses can never be advertised in NSSA-LSAs. >> >> --- 1971,1977 ---- >> Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body. >> Network >> Mask >> is no longer specified. >> >> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. >> >> o Link-local addresses can never be advertised in NSSA-LSAs. >> >> *************** >> *** 2450,2475 **** >> area-prefix-LSAs (0x2003), inter-area-router-LSAs (0x2004), >> NSSA-LSAs >> (0x2007), AS-external-LSAs (0x4005), link-LSAs (0x0008), and >> Intra- >> Area-Prefix-LSAs (0x2009) are assumed to be understood by all >> ! routers. However, not all LS types are understood by >> all routers, >> ! For example, the group-membership-LSA (0x2006) is understood >> only by >> ! MOSPF routers and since it has its U-bit set to 0. This LS Type >> ! should only be flooded to a non-MOSPF neighbor (determined by >> ! examining the MC-bit in the neighbor's Database Description >> packets' >> ! Options field) when the neighbor is Designated Router or Backup >> ! Designated Router for the attached link. >> ! >> ! The previous paragraph solves a problem for IPv4 OSPF >> extensions >> such >> ! >> ! >> ! >> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 >> [Page 44] >> ! >> >> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >> May >> 2007 >> ! >> ! >> ! as MOSPF, which require that the Designated Router support the >> ! extension in order to have the new LSA types flooded across >> broadcast >> ! and NBMA networks (see Section 10.2 of [MOSPF]). >> >> 3.5.3. Installing LSAs in the database >> >> --- 2422,2436 ---- >> area-prefix-LSAs (0x2003), inter-area-router-LSAs (0x2004), >> NSSA-LSAs >> (0x2007), AS-external-LSAs (0x4005), link-LSAs (0x0008), and >> Intra- >> Area-Prefix-LSAs (0x2009) are assumed to be understood by all >> ! routers. However, all LS types MAY not be understood by all >> routers. >> ! For example, a new LSA type with its U-bit set to 0 MAY only be >> ! understood by a subset of routers. This new LS Type >> should only be >> ! flooded to an OSPF neighbor that understands the LS type >> or when >> the >> ! neighbor that doesn't understand it is Designated Router >> or Backup >> ! Designated Router for the attached link. This allows >> the LSA to be >> ! flooded on the local link even if either the router elected >> ! Designated Router or Backup Designated Router doesn't >> understand >> the >> ! LS type. >> >> 3.5.3. Installing LSAs in the database >> >> *************** >> *** 3395,3406 **** >> neighbor relationships from forming (e.g., the E-bit >> below); these >> mismatches are discovered through the sending and receiving of >> Hello >> packets. Some option mismatches prevent particular LSA >> types from >> ! being flooded across adjacencies (e.g., the MC-bit >> below); these >> are >> ! discovered through the sending and receiving of Database >> Description >> ! packets. Some option mismatches prevent routers from being >> included >> ! in one or more of the various routing calculations >> because of their >> ! reduced functionality (again, the MC-bit is an example); these >> ! mismatches are discovered by examining LSAs. >> >> Seven bits of the OSPF Options field have been assigned. Each >> bit is >> described briefly below. Routers should reset (i.e., clear) >> --- 3395,3405 ---- >> neighbor relationships from forming (e.g., the E-bit >> below); these >> mismatches are discovered through the sending and receiving of >> Hello >> packets. Some option mismatches prevent particular LSA >> types from >> ! being flooded across adjacencies these are discovered through >> the >> ! sending and receiving of Database Description packets. >> Some option >> ! mismatches prevent routers from being included in one or >> more of >> the >> ! various routing calculations because of their reduced >> functionality; >> ! these mismatches are discovered by examining LSAs. >> >> Seven bits of the OSPF Options field have been assigned. Each >> bit is >> described briefly below. Routers should reset (i.e., clear) >> *************** >> *** 3414,3429 **** >> >> >> >> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 >> [Page 61] >> >> >> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >> May >> 2007 >> >> >> 1 2 >> ! 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 >> ! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+--+--+--+ >> ! | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |*|*|DC|R|N|MC| E|V6| >> ! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+--+--+--+ >> >> The Options field >> >> --- 3413,3429 ---- >> >> >> >> ! >> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 >> [Page 61] >> >> >> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >> August >> 2007 >> >> >> 1 2 >> ! 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 >> ! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+--+ >> ! | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |*|*|DC|R|N|x| E|V6| >> ! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+--+ >> >> The Options field >> >> *************** >> *** 3438,3446 **** >> This bit describes the way AS-external-LSAs are flooded, as >> described in Sections 3.6, 9.5, 10.8, and 12.1.2 of >> [OSPFV2]. >> >> ! MC-bit >> ! This bit describes whether IP multicast datagrams are >> forwarded >> ! according to the specifications in [MOSPF]. >> >> N-bit >> This bit indicates whether or not the router is >> attached to an >> --- 3438,3447 ---- >> This bit describes the way AS-external-LSAs are flooded, as >> described in Sections 3.6, 9.5, 10.8, and 12.1.2 of >> [OSPFV2]. >> >> ! x-Bit >> ! This bit was previously used by MOSPF (see [MOSPF]) >> which has >> been >> ! deprecated for OSPFv3. It should be set to 0 and ignored >> upon >> ! reception. It may be reused in the future. >> >> N-bit >> This bit indicates whether or not the router is >> attached to an >> *************** >> *** 4021,4038 **** >> cases or are to be marked as not readvertisable in others. >> >> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 >> ! +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+ >> ! | | | |DN| P|MC|LA|NU| >> ! +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 >> [Page 72] >> >> >> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >> May >> 2007 >> >> >> The Prefix Options field >> --- 4021,4038 ---- >> cases or are to be marked as not readvertisable in others. >> >> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 >> ! +--+--+--+--+--+-+--+--+ >> ! | | | |DN| P|x|LA|NU| >> ! +--+--+--+--+--+-+--+--+ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 >> [Page 72] >> >> >> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >> August >> 2007 >> >> >> The Prefix Options field >> *************** >> *** 4050,4059 **** >> Section 3.4.3.9. An implementation MAY also set the >> LA-bit for >> prefixes advertised with a host PrefixLength (128). >> >> ! MC-bit >> ! The "multicast" capability bit. If set, the prefix should be >> ! included in IPv6 multicast routing calculations. If >> not set, it >> ! should be excluded. >> >> P-bit >> The "propagate" bit. Set on NSSA area prefixes that >> should be >> --- 4050,4060 ---- >> Section 3.4.3.9. An implementation MAY also set the >> LA-bit for >> prefixes advertised with a host PrefixLength (128). >> >> ! x-bit >> ! This bit was previously defined as a "multicast" >> capability bit. >> ! However, the use was never adequately specified and >> it is being >> ! deprecated. It is set to 0 and ignored upon reception. It >> may be >> ! reused in the future. >> >> P-bit >> The "propagate" bit. Set on NSSA area prefixes that >> should be >> *************** >> *** 4193,4209 **** >> >> The LSA function codes are defined as follows. The >> origination >> and >> processing of these LSA function codes are defined >> elsewhere in >> this >> ! document, except for the group-membership-LSA (see >> [MOSPF]) and the >> ! NSSA-LSA (see [NSSA]). As shown below, each LSA >> function code also >> >> >> >> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 >> [Page 75] >> >> >> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >> May >> 2007 >> >> >> ! implies a specific setting for the U, S1, and S2 bits. >> >> >> LSA function code LS Type Description >> --- 4193,4210 ---- >> >> The LSA function codes are defined as follows. The >> origination >> and >> processing of these LSA function codes are defined >> elsewhere in >> this >> ! document, except for the NSSA-LSA (see [NSSA]) and >> 0x2006 which was >> ! previously used by MOSPF (see [MOSPF]). MOSPF has been >> deprecated >> >> >> >> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 >> [Page 75] >> >> >> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >> August >> 2007 >> >> >> ! for OSPFv3. As shown below, each LSA function code also >> implies a >> ! specific setting for the U, S1, and S2 bits. >> >> >> LSA function code LS Type Description >> *************** >> *** 4213,4219 **** >> 3 0x2003 Inter-Area-Prefix-LSA >> 4 0x2004 Inter-Area-Router-LSA >> 5 0x4005 AS-external-LSA >> ! 6 0x2006 Group-membership-LSA >> 7 0x2007 NSSA-LSA >> 8 0x0008 Link-LSA >> 9 0x2009 Intra-Area-Prefix-LSA >> --- 4214,4220 ---- >> 3 0x2003 Inter-Area-Prefix-LSA >> 4 0x2004 Inter-Area-Router-LSA >> 5 0x4005 AS-external-LSA >> ! 6 0x2006 Deprecated (May be >> reused) >> 7 0x2007 NSSA-LSA >> 8 0x0008 Link-LSA >> 9 0x2009 Intra-Area-Prefix-LSA >> *************** >> *** 4272,4278 **** >> >> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >> +-+-+ >> | LS Checksum | >> Length | >> >> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >> +-+-+ >> ! | 0 |Nt|W|V|E|B| >> Options | >> >> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >> +-+-+ >> | Type | 0 | >> Metric | >> >> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >> +-+-+ >> --- 4272,4278 ---- >> >> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >> +-+-+ >> | LS Checksum | >> Length | >> >> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >> +-+-+ >> ! | 0 |Nt|x|V|E|B| >> Options | >> >> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >> +-+-+ >> | Type | 0 | >> Metric | >> >> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >> +-+-+ >> *************** >> *** 4326,4336 **** >> Bit B >> When set, the router is an area border router (B is for >> border). >> >> ! Bit W >> ! When set, the router is a wild-card multicast receiver. When >> ! running MOSPF, these routers receive all multicast datagrams, >> ! regardless of destination. See Sections 3, 4, and A.2 of >> [MOSPF] >> ! for details. >> >> Bit Nt >> When set, the router is an NSSA border router that is >> --- 4326,4335 ---- >> Bit B >> When set, the router is an area border router (B is for >> border). >> >> ! Bit x >> ! This bit was previously used by MOSPF (see [MOSPF]) >> which has >> been >> ! deprecated for OSPFv3. It should be set to 0 and ignored >> upon >> ! reception. It may be reused in the future. >> >> Bit Nt >> When set, the router is an NSSA border router that is >> *************** >> *** 5796,5806 **** >> --- 5796,5814 ---- >> o Add new prefix options and options field bits added in this >> document to the IANA considerations. Refer to Section 5. >> >> + E.18. Changes from the 16 Version to the 17 Version >> >> + The section contains list of changes from version 16 to >> version 17: >> >> >> + o Changes to deprecate MOSPF for OSPFv3. Refer to Appendix >> A.2, >> + Appendix A.4.2.1, and Appendix A.4.3. >> >> + o Deprecate the MC-bit in the prefix options which was never >> + adequated specified. Refer to Appendix A.4.1.1. >> >> + o Clarify the setting of the options in the >> network-LSA. Refer to >> + Appendix A.4.4. >> >> >> >> Acee-iMac:~/ietf/xml2rfc acee$ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSPF mailing list >> OSPF@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >> _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Thu Aug 02 06:18:36 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGXl9-0007zx-Dk; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 06:18:23 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGXl7-0007zs-GL for OSPF@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 06:18:21 -0400 Received: from szxga01-in.huawei.com ([61.144.161.53]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGXl6-0005SJ-5t for OSPF@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 06:18:21 -0400 Received: from huawei.com (szxga01-in [172.24.2.3]) by szxga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JM500HMD5WOEK@szxga01-in.huawei.com> for OSPF@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:17:12 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.24]) by szxga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JM500L9Z5WN83@szxga01-in.huawei.com> for OSPF@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:17:12 +0800 (CST) Received: from Siofed1720 ([10.18.5.52]) by szxml04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JM5007T35WHS5@szxml04-in.huawei.com> for OSPF@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:17:11 +0800 (CST) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 15:47:05 +0530 From: siofedm To: OSPF@ietf.org Message-id: <000f01c7d4ee$4778c2f0$3405120a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-index: AcfU7ka6ceFIb4LLSHKM9pFAIEJMEQ== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3643ee1fccf5d6cf2af25f27d28abb29 Cc: praveen.gujar@yahoo.com Subject: [OSPF] Regarding Flushing of Type 5 LSA X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: siofedm@huawei.com List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0195931377==" Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0195931377== Content-type: multipart/related; boundary="Boundary_(ID_PQc8wR7WfO/h9jr/hMeYBw)" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_PQc8wR7WfO/h9jr/hMeYBw) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_9bQ2l0QaE9W7S9kstPPq6w)" --Boundary_(ID_9bQ2l0QaE9W7S9kstPPq6w) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi what must a ASBR do when it's configured inside a normal area and then re-configured as a NSSA area? 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Hi
 what must a ASBR do when it’s configured inside a normal area and then re-configured as a NSSA area?
 Should it flush all the self-originated AS-External-LSAs it has in its database before originating Type 7 LSA?
 What  exactly will  happen?

Thanks and Regards

-Siofed

      

Siofed

K Molvysh

Huawei Technologies

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Hence, it is an implementation choice. Hope this helps, Acee On Aug 2, 2007, at 6:17 AM, siofedm wrote: > > Hi > what must a ASBR do when it=92s configured inside a normal area and =20= > then re-configured as a NSSA area? > Should it flush all the self-originated AS-External-LSAs it has in =20= > its database before originating Type 7 LSA? > What exactly will happen? > > > Thanks and Regards > > -Siofed > > > > Siofed > > > K Molvysh > > Huawei Technologies > > siofedm@huawei.com > > > ------------------------------------ > > The Leela Palace , Airport Road, > > Bangalore - 560008, INDIA. > > ( 91-080-41781770 Extn. 1480 > > Mobile No : 9945069197 > ---------------------------------- > > > "What happened was for Good > What is happening is also for Good > What will happen is also for Good " > > **********************************************************************=20= > ***************** > > This e-mail and attachments contain confidential information from =20 > HUAWEI, which is intended only for the person or entity whose =20 > address is listed above. Any use of the information contained =20 > herein in any way (including, but not limited to, total or partial =20 > disclosure, reproduction, or dissemination) by persons other than =20 > the intended recipient's) is prohibited. If you receive this e-mail =20= > in error, please notify the sender by phone or email immediately =20 > and delete it! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf --Apple-Mail-33--543773949 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Hi Siofed,
The decision as = to whether to purge self-originated AS-external-LSAs or let them age out = when there is an area change is not specified in RFC 3101. Hence, it is = an implementation choice.=A0
Hope this = helps,
Acee
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Hi =
= =A0what must a ASBR do when it=92s configured = inside a normal area and then = re-configured as a NSSA area? =
=A0Should it flush all the = self-originated AS-External-LSAs it has in its database before = originating Type 7 LSA?
=A0What = =A0exactly will =A0happen?
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= --Apple-Mail-33--543773949-- --===============1857302675== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf --===============1857302675==-- From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Thu Aug 02 12:01:03 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGd6j-0002mu-6m; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 12:01:01 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGd6h-0002gg-6w for ospf@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 12:00:59 -0400 Received: from nat-eqx.force10networks.com ([69.25.56.27] helo=mx.force10networks.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGd6f-0003Vf-AO for ospf@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 12:00:59 -0400 Received: from EXCH-CLUSTER-03.force10networks.com ([10.11.0.53]) by mx.force10networks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:01:23 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:00:58 -0700 Message-ID: <44ED058B21DF294ABE394CABE5C1B5213EEDB9@EXCH-CLUSTER-03.force10networks.com> In-Reply-To: <000f01c7d4ee$4778c2f0$3405120a@china.huawei.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Regarding Flushing of Type 5 LSA Thread-Index: AcfU7ka6ceFIb4LLSHKM9pFAIEJMEQALlDaA References: <000f01c7d4ee$4778c2f0$3405120a@china.huawei.com> From: "Nitin Kakkar" To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2007 16:01:23.0936 (UTC) FILETIME=[5FFADE00:01C7D51E] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 453b1bfcf0292bffe4cab90ba115f503 Cc: praveen.gujar@yahoo.com Subject: [OSPF] RE: Regarding Flushing of Type 5 LSA X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1757942443==" Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1757942443== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7D51E.50A905B1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7D51E.50A905B1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HI Sio, Its not mandatory to flush ASE lsa's. But keeping Type 5 & Type 7 simultaneously, can create another issue of LSDB size, so I think it will be worthwhile to flush type 5s.=20 Hope this helps Nitin From: siofedm [mailto:siofedm@huawei.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 3:17 AM To: OSPF@ietf.org Cc: Nitin Kakkar; praveen.gujar@yahoo.com Subject: Regarding Flushing of Type 5 LSA =20 Hi=20 what must a ASBR do when it's configured inside a normal area and then re-configured as a NSSA area?=20 Should it flush all the self-originated AS-External-LSAs it has in its database before originating Type 7 LSA?=20 What exactly will happen?=20 Thanks and Regards -Siofed =20 Siofed=20 K Molvysh Huawei Technologies siofedm@huawei.com =09 ------------------------------------ The Leela Palace , Airport Road, Bangalore - 560008, INDIA. * 91-080-41781770 Extn. 1480 Mobile No : 9945069197=20 ---------------------------------- =20 "What happened was for Good What is happening is also for Good What will happen is also for Good " ************************************************************************ *************** This e-mail and attachments contain confidential information from HUAWEI, which is intended only for the person or entity whose address is listed above. Any use of the information contained herein in any way (including, but not limited to, total or partial disclosure, reproduction, or dissemination) by persons other than the intended recipient's) is prohibited. If you receive this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by phone or email immediately and delete it! =09 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7D51E.50A905B1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Regarding Flushing of Type 5 LSA

HI Sio,

Its not mandatory to flush ASE = lsa’s.  But = keeping Type 5 & Type 7 simultaneously, can create another issue of LSDB = size,  so I think it will be worthwhile to = flush = type = 5s.

Hope this helps

Nitin

From: siofedm [mailto:siofedm@huawei.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 = 3:17 AM
To: OSPF@ietf.org
Cc: Nitin Kakkar; = praveen.gujar@yahoo.com
Subject: Regarding Flushing of Type 5 LSA

     

    Hi
     what must a = ASBR do when it’s configured inside a normal area = and then re-configured as a NSSA area?
     Should it = flush all the self-originated AS-External-LSAs it has in its database = before originating Type 7 LSA?
     What  exactly will  happen?

    Thanks and Regards

    -Siofed

          

        Siofed

K Molvysh

Huawei Technologies

siofedm@huawei.com

       
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C7D51E.50A905B1-- --===============1757942443== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf --===============1757942443==-- From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Thu Aug 02 12:14:37 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGdJr-0006we-E5; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 12:14:35 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGdJp-0006wY-NJ for OSPF@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 12:14:33 -0400 Received: from web56514.mail.re3.yahoo.com ([66.196.97.43]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGdJp-00046J-0p for OSPF@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 12:14:33 -0400 Received: (qmail 86898 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2007 16:14:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=QPhX0SBy4D5h82Tcfmk9rI/PjbQmCahqk4y8SZ5GTCtdDOYnWopwG7tfo5yHPf9WQ/8jUA5cHFZo4gbd2zupvLeXc35xPucv5qgViCLQJ8gCb9BrbVd4PAxfjnpy0zlH1gy14QX6sjztL/ZtPpzm0rLQG1abxSik0EydRzqSygw=; X-YMail-OSG: EJowEAMVM1nDIso1PJfpXC.KmeSHzWRfy.ZuVMQpviuWRydxxPs7GI3r9ma4c1QTvpTwf8uf4a.I._vMaSene_TBL3tV3fHVdBaiqwfJg1Xak52TFs04dSPzcJ88OdW3gZjuxGia52cpBl93LpzZjjEH0g-- Received: from [122.164.191.50] by web56514.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 09:14:32 PDT Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:14:32 -0700 (PDT) From: sengottuvelan srirangan Subject: Re: [OSPF] Regarding Flushing of Type 5 LSA To: siofedm@huawei.com In-Reply-To: <3A89CD4E-477F-4630-BF96-18DAFFA81E5C@redback.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <819899.86303.qm@web56514.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8de5f93cb2b4e3bee75302e9eacc33db Cc: OSPF@ietf.org, praveen.gujar@yahoo.com X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1264455029==" Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org --===============1264455029== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1336136284-1186071272=:86303" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --0-1336136284-1186071272=:86303 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Siofedm, I think we should flush all self-originated AS-EXTERNAL LSAs otherwise other areas still hold the invalid LSAs. Regards Sengottuvelan Acee Lindem wrote: Hi Siofed, The decision as to whether to purge self-originated AS-external-LSAs or let them age out when there is an area change is not specified in RFC 3101. Hence, it is an implementation choice. Hope this helps, Acee On Aug 2, 2007, at 6:17 AM, siofedm wrote: Hi what must a ASBR do when it’s configured inside a normal area and then re-configured as a NSSA area? Should it flush all the self-originated AS-External-LSAs it has in its database before originating Type 7 LSA? What exactly will happen? Thanks and Regards -Siofed Siofed K Molvysh Huawei Technologies siofedm@huawei.com ------------------------------------ The Leela Palace , Airport Road, Bangalore - 560008, INDIA. ( 91-080-41781770 Extn. 1480 Mobile No : 9945069197 ---------------------------------- "What happened was for Good What is happening is also for Good What will happen is also for Good " *************************************************************************************** This e-mail and attachments contain confidential information from HUAWEI, which is intended only for the person or entity whose address is listed above. Any use of the information contained herein in any way (including, but not limited to, total or partial disclosure, reproduction, or dissemination) by persons other than the intended recipient's) is prohibited. If you receive this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by phone or email immediately and delete it! _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. --0-1336136284-1186071272=:86303 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi Siofedm,
 
I think we should flush all self-originated AS-EXTERNAL LSAs otherwise other areas still hold the invalid LSAs.
 
Regards
Sengottuvelan
 


Acee Lindem <acee@redback.com> wrote:
Hi Siofed,
The decision as to whether to purge self-originated AS-external-LSAs or let them age out when there is an area change is not specified in RFC 3101. Hence, it is an implementation choice. 
Hope this helps,
Acee
On Aug 2, 2007, at 6:17 AM, siofedm wrote:


 
Hi
 what must a ASBR do when it’s configured inside a normal area and then re-configured as a NSSA area?
 Should it flush all the self-originated AS-External-LSAs it has in its database before originating Type 7 LSA?
 What  exactly will  happen?

Thanks and Regards
-Siofed
      

Siofed
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K Molvysh
Huawei Technologies
siofedm@huawei.com

 
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WOULD it be more prudent to suggest first generating some type of DEPRECATED statement? This is common in OSs when a feature is about to be removed in one of the next releases. Doing so ONLY in the context of a mail alias limits the notification to a limited audience. IMO, that COULD be done by checking the bit in the hello and if set generating the msg one time per intf. In theory, the DEPRECATE statement would suggest sending a email to the ospf@ietf.org mailing list identifying the manufacturer and the box in question. This could be done for 1 release time of say 6 months to VERIFY that no-one is using that bit.. Currently I believe the v3 spec says to ignore a capability bit that is not understood. So, it would quietly ignore if that bit is set. IFF this suggestion would be followed, then the appropriate sections within the RFC get changed to state that this item is being DEPRECATED, and that anyone wishing to notify of any possible conflict should send a email to the ospf@ietf.org mail alias. THis would cover ALL users who MIGHT be using a non-conformant and/or legacy (not currently in business) router and people who read the ospf RFCs but do not subscibe to the mail alias. In the legal sense, I believe this would be equal to "Due Diligence". Mitchell Erblich -------------------- Acee Lindem wrote: > > Hi Dan, > > On Aug 1, 2007, at 10:22 AM, Daniel Joyal wrote: > > > This also has an impact to the OSPFv3 MIB which has multicast-specific > > objects that would need to be removed. > > Yup. ospfv3MulticastExtensions and ospfv3IfMulticastForwarding could > be removed. Anything else? > > Thanks, > Acee > > > > > -Dan > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee@redback.com] > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:03 PM > >> To: OSPF List > >> Subject: [OSPF] Removal of MOSPF from OSPFv3 > >> > >> MOSPF has never really been fully specified in RFC 2740 and, > >> to the best of my knowledge, has never been implemented. > >> Hence, we again had some discussions about removing it from > >> the respin. I've made the changes but have not submitting > >> them. I've also attempted to reclaim the MC-bit in the prefix > >> options since this was never fully specified either and has > >> proved to be grossly inadequate to separate unicast and > >> multicast topologies. Please send comments ASAP. If I don't > >> hear any serious dissent I'll submit the update and we'll do > >> a quick re-WGLC. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Acee > >> > >> *************** > >> *** 82,89 **** > >> addition, option handling has been made more flexible. > >> > >> All of OSPF for IPv4's optional capabilities, including demand > >> ! circuit support, Not-So-Stubby Areas (NSSAs), and the multicast > >> ! extensions to OSPF (MOSPF) are also supported in OSPF for IPv6. > >> > >> > >> > >> --- 82,89 ---- > >> addition, option handling has been made more flexible. > >> > >> All of OSPF for IPv4's optional capabilities, including demand > >> ! circuit support and Not-So-Stubby Areas (NSSAs) are also > >> supported in > >> ! OSPF for IPv6. > >> > >> > >> > >> *************** > >> *** 828,844 **** > >> LSAs, network-LSAs, inter-area-prefix-LSAs, > >> inter-area-router- LSAs, > >> and intra-area-prefix-LSAs. LSAs with unknown LS type, > >> U-bit set to > >> 1 (flood even when unrecognized) and area scope also > >> appear in the > >> ! area data structure. IPv6 routers implementing MOSPF add group- > >> ! membership-LSAs to the area data structure. NSSA-LSAs are also > >> ! included in an NSSA area's data structure. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 > >> [Page 15] > >> > >> > >> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > >> May > >> 2007 > >> > >> > >> 3.1.2. The Interface Data structure > >> --- 828,844 ---- > >> LSAs, network-LSAs, inter-area-prefix-LSAs, > >> inter-area-router- LSAs, > >> and intra-area-prefix-LSAs. LSAs with unknown LS type, > >> U-bit set to > >> 1 (flood even when unrecognized) and area scope also > >> appear in the > >> ! area data structure. NSSA-LSAs are also included in an > >> NSSA area's > >> ! data structure. > >> ! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 > >> [Page 15] > >> > >> > >> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > >> August > >> 2007 > >> > >> > >> 3.1.2. The Interface Data structure > >> *************** > >> *** 1086,1094 **** > >> o The Options field within Database Description > >> packets has moved > >> around, getting larger in the process. More options > >> bits are now > >> possible. Those that MUST be set correctly in Database > >> ! Description packets are: The MC-bit is set if and only if the > >> ! router is forwarding multicast datagrams according to > >> the MOSPF > >> ! specification in [MOSPF], and the DC-bit is set if and only > >> if the > >> router wishes to suppress the sending of Hellos over > >> the interface > >> (see [DEMAND]). Unrecognized bits in the Database > >> Description > >> packet's Options field should be cleared. > >> --- 1086,1092 ---- > >> o The Options field within Database Description > >> packets has moved > >> around, getting larger in the process. More options > >> bits are now > >> possible. Those that MUST be set correctly in Database > >> ! Description packets are: The DC-bit is set if and only if the > >> router wishes to suppress the sending of Hellos over > >> the interface > >> (see [DEMAND]). Unrecognized bits in the Database > >> Description > >> packet's Options field should be cleared. > >> *************** > >> *** 1577,1591 **** > >> should be set unless the router will not participate in transit > >> IPv6 > >> routing. The E-bit should be clear if and only if the > >> attached area > >> is an OSPF stub or OSPF NSSA area. The E-bit should > >> always be set in > >> ! AS scoped LSAs. The MC-bit should be set if and only if > >> the router > >> ! is running MOSPF and the LSA is to be used in the multicast SPF > >> ! computation (see [MOSPF]). The N-bit should be set if > >> and only if > >> ! the attached area is an OSPF NSSA area. The R-bit should be set > >> ! unless the router will not participate in any transit > >> routing. The > >> ! DC-bit should be set if and only if the router can correctly > >> process > >> ! the DoNotAge bit when it appears in the LS age field of LSAs > >> (see > >> ! [DEMAND]). All unrecognized bits in the Options field should be > >> ! cleared. > >> > >> The V6-bit and R-bit are only examined in Router-LSAs > >> during the SPF > >> computation. In other LSA types containing options, > >> they are set for > >> --- 1577,1588 ---- > >> should be set unless the router will not participate in transit > >> IPv6 > >> routing. The E-bit should be clear if and only if the > >> attached area > >> is an OSPF stub or OSPF NSSA area. The E-bit should > >> always be set in > >> ! AS scoped LSAs. The N-bit should be set if and only if the > >> attached > >> ! area is an OSPF NSSA area. The R-bit should be set unless the > >> router > >> ! will not participate in any transit routing. The DC-bit > >> should be > >> ! set if and only if the router can correctly process the > >> DoNotAge > >> bit > >> ! when it appears in the LS age field of LSAs (see [DEMAND]). All > >> ! unrecognized bits in the Options field should be cleared. > >> > >> The V6-bit and R-bit are only examined in Router-LSAs > >> during the SPF > >> computation. In other LSA types containing options, > >> they are set for > >> *************** > >> *** 1603,1610 **** > >> State ID fields. > >> > >> To the left of the Options field, the router capability > >> bits V, E, > >> ! and B should be set according to Section 12.4.1 of > >> [OSPFV2]. Bit W > >> ! should be coded according to [MOSPF]. > >> > >> Each of the router's interfaces to the area are then > >> described by > >> appending "link descriptions" to the router-LSA. Each link > >> --- 1600,1606 ---- > >> State ID fields. > >> > >> To the left of the Options field, the router capability > >> bits V, E, > >> ! and B should be set according to Section 12.4.1 of [OSPFV2]. > >> > >> Each of the router's interfaces to the area are then > >> described by > >> appending "link descriptions" to the router-LSA. Each link > >> *************** > >> *** 1732,1748 **** > >> > >> > >> > >> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 > >> [Page 31] > >> > >> > >> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > >> May > >> 2007 > >> > >> > >> Designated Router. > >> > >> o The Options field in the network-LSA is set to the > >> logical OR of > >> the Options fields contained within the link's > >> associated link- > >> ! LSAs. In this way, the network link exhibits a capability > >> when at > >> ! least one of the link's routers requests that the > >> capability be > >> advertised. > >> > >> As an example, assuming that Router RT4 has been > >> elected Designated > >> --- 1732,1749 ---- > >> > >> > >> > >> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 > >> [Page 31] > >> > >> > >> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > >> August > >> 2007 > >> > >> > >> Designated Router. > >> > >> o The Options field in the network-LSA is set to the > >> logical OR of > >> the Options fields contained within the link's > >> associated link- > >> ! LSAs corresponding to fully adjacent neighbors. In > >> this way, > >> the > >> ! network link exhibits a capability when at least one fully > >> ! adjacent neighbor on the link requests that the capability be > >> advertised. > >> > >> As an example, assuming that Router RT4 has been > >> elected Designated > >> *************** > >> *** 1787,1801 **** > >> > >> > >> > >> ! > >> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 > >> [Page 32] > >> > >> > >> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > >> May > >> 2007 > >> > >> > >> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. The > >> coding > >> ! of the MC-bit depends upon whether, and if so how, MOSPF is > >> ! operating in the routing domain (see [MOSPF]). > >> > >> o Link-local addresses MUST never be advertised in inter-area- > >> prefix-LSAs. > >> --- 1788,1799 ---- > >> > >> > >> > >> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 > >> [Page 32] > >> > >> > >> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > >> August > >> 2007 > >> > >> > >> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. > >> > >> o Link-local addresses MUST never be advertised in inter-area- > >> prefix-LSAs. > >> *************** > >> *** 1894,1916 **** > >> Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body. > >> Network Mask > >> is no longer specified. > >> > >> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. The > >> coding > >> ! of the MC-bit depends upon whether, and if so how, MOSPF is > >> ! operating in the routing domain (see [MOSPF]). > >> ! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> - Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 > >> [Page 34] > >> - > >> > >> - Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > >> May > >> 2007 > >> > >> > >> ! o Link-local addresses can never be advertised in AS-external- > >> LSAs. > >> > >> - o The forwarding address is present in the > >> AS-external-LSA if and > >> - only if the AS-external-LSA's bit F is set. > >> > >> o The external route tag is present in the > >> AS-external-LSA if and > >> only if the AS-external-LSA's bit T is set. > >> --- 1892,1911 ---- > >> Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body. > >> Network Mask > >> is no longer specified. > >> > >> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. > >> > >> + o Link-local addresses can never be advertised in AS-external- > >> LSAs. > >> > >> + o The forwarding address is present in the > >> AS-external-LSA if and > >> + only if the AS-external-LSA's bit F is set. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 > >> [Page 34] > >> ! > >> > >> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > >> August > >> 2007 > >> > >> > >> o The external route tag is present in the > >> AS-external-LSA if and > >> only if the AS-external-LSA's bit T is set. > >> *************** > >> *** 1982,1990 **** > >> Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body. > >> Network > >> Mask > >> is no longer specified. > >> > >> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. The > >> coding > >> ! of the MC-bit depends upon whether, and if so how, MOSPF is > >> ! operating in the routing domain (see [MOSPF]). > >> > >> o Link-local addresses can never be advertised in NSSA-LSAs. > >> > >> --- 1971,1977 ---- > >> Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body. > >> Network > >> Mask > >> is no longer specified. > >> > >> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. > >> > >> o Link-local addresses can never be advertised in NSSA-LSAs. > >> > >> *************** > >> *** 2450,2475 **** > >> area-prefix-LSAs (0x2003), inter-area-router-LSAs (0x2004), > >> NSSA-LSAs > >> (0x2007), AS-external-LSAs (0x4005), link-LSAs (0x0008), and > >> Intra- > >> Area-Prefix-LSAs (0x2009) are assumed to be understood by all > >> ! routers. However, not all LS types are understood by > >> all routers, > >> ! For example, the group-membership-LSA (0x2006) is understood > >> only by > >> ! MOSPF routers and since it has its U-bit set to 0. This LS Type > >> ! should only be flooded to a non-MOSPF neighbor (determined by > >> ! examining the MC-bit in the neighbor's Database Description > >> packets' > >> ! Options field) when the neighbor is Designated Router or Backup > >> ! Designated Router for the attached link. > >> ! > >> ! The previous paragraph solves a problem for IPv4 OSPF > >> extensions > >> such > >> ! > >> ! > >> ! > >> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 > >> [Page 44] > >> ! > >> > >> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > >> May > >> 2007 > >> ! > >> ! > >> ! as MOSPF, which require that the Designated Router support the > >> ! extension in order to have the new LSA types flooded across > >> broadcast > >> ! and NBMA networks (see Section 10.2 of [MOSPF]). > >> > >> 3.5.3. Installing LSAs in the database > >> > >> --- 2422,2436 ---- > >> area-prefix-LSAs (0x2003), inter-area-router-LSAs (0x2004), > >> NSSA-LSAs > >> (0x2007), AS-external-LSAs (0x4005), link-LSAs (0x0008), and > >> Intra- > >> Area-Prefix-LSAs (0x2009) are assumed to be understood by all > >> ! routers. However, all LS types MAY not be understood by all > >> routers. > >> ! For example, a new LSA type with its U-bit set to 0 MAY only be > >> ! understood by a subset of routers. This new LS Type > >> should only be > >> ! flooded to an OSPF neighbor that understands the LS type > >> or when > >> the > >> ! neighbor that doesn't understand it is Designated Router > >> or Backup > >> ! Designated Router for the attached link. This allows > >> the LSA to be > >> ! flooded on the local link even if either the router elected > >> ! Designated Router or Backup Designated Router doesn't > >> understand > >> the > >> ! LS type. > >> > >> 3.5.3. Installing LSAs in the database > >> > >> *************** > >> *** 3395,3406 **** > >> neighbor relationships from forming (e.g., the E-bit > >> below); these > >> mismatches are discovered through the sending and receiving of > >> Hello > >> packets. Some option mismatches prevent particular LSA > >> types from > >> ! being flooded across adjacencies (e.g., the MC-bit > >> below); these > >> are > >> ! discovered through the sending and receiving of Database > >> Description > >> ! packets. Some option mismatches prevent routers from being > >> included > >> ! in one or more of the various routing calculations > >> because of their > >> ! reduced functionality (again, the MC-bit is an example); these > >> ! mismatches are discovered by examining LSAs. > >> > >> Seven bits of the OSPF Options field have been assigned. Each > >> bit is > >> described briefly below. Routers should reset (i.e., clear) > >> --- 3395,3405 ---- > >> neighbor relationships from forming (e.g., the E-bit > >> below); these > >> mismatches are discovered through the sending and receiving of > >> Hello > >> packets. Some option mismatches prevent particular LSA > >> types from > >> ! being flooded across adjacencies these are discovered through > >> the > >> ! sending and receiving of Database Description packets. > >> Some option > >> ! mismatches prevent routers from being included in one or > >> more of > >> the > >> ! various routing calculations because of their reduced > >> functionality; > >> ! these mismatches are discovered by examining LSAs. > >> > >> Seven bits of the OSPF Options field have been assigned. Each > >> bit is > >> described briefly below. Routers should reset (i.e., clear) > >> *************** > >> *** 3414,3429 **** > >> > >> > >> > >> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 > >> [Page 61] > >> > >> > >> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > >> May > >> 2007 > >> > >> > >> 1 2 > >> ! 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 > >> ! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+--+--+--+ > >> ! | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |*|*|DC|R|N|MC| E|V6| > >> ! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+--+--+--+ > >> > >> The Options field > >> > >> --- 3413,3429 ---- > >> > >> > >> > >> ! > >> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 > >> [Page 61] > >> > >> > >> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > >> August > >> 2007 > >> > >> > >> 1 2 > >> ! 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 > >> ! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+--+ > >> ! | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |*|*|DC|R|N|x| E|V6| > >> ! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+--+ > >> > >> The Options field > >> > >> *************** > >> *** 3438,3446 **** > >> This bit describes the way AS-external-LSAs are flooded, as > >> described in Sections 3.6, 9.5, 10.8, and 12.1.2 of > >> [OSPFV2]. > >> > >> ! MC-bit > >> ! This bit describes whether IP multicast datagrams are > >> forwarded > >> ! according to the specifications in [MOSPF]. > >> > >> N-bit > >> This bit indicates whether or not the router is > >> attached to an > >> --- 3438,3447 ---- > >> This bit describes the way AS-external-LSAs are flooded, as > >> described in Sections 3.6, 9.5, 10.8, and 12.1.2 of > >> [OSPFV2]. > >> > >> ! x-Bit > >> ! This bit was previously used by MOSPF (see [MOSPF]) > >> which has > >> been > >> ! deprecated for OSPFv3. It should be set to 0 and ignored > >> upon > >> ! reception. It may be reused in the future. > >> > >> N-bit > >> This bit indicates whether or not the router is > >> attached to an > >> *************** > >> *** 4021,4038 **** > >> cases or are to be marked as not readvertisable in others. > >> > >> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 > >> ! +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+ > >> ! | | | |DN| P|MC|LA|NU| > >> ! +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 > >> [Page 72] > >> > >> > >> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > >> May > >> 2007 > >> > >> > >> The Prefix Options field > >> --- 4021,4038 ---- > >> cases or are to be marked as not readvertisable in others. > >> > >> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 > >> ! +--+--+--+--+--+-+--+--+ > >> ! | | | |DN| P|x|LA|NU| > >> ! +--+--+--+--+--+-+--+--+ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 > >> [Page 72] > >> > >> > >> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > >> August > >> 2007 > >> > >> > >> The Prefix Options field > >> *************** > >> *** 4050,4059 **** > >> Section 3.4.3.9. An implementation MAY also set the > >> LA-bit for > >> prefixes advertised with a host PrefixLength (128). > >> > >> ! MC-bit > >> ! The "multicast" capability bit. If set, the prefix should be > >> ! included in IPv6 multicast routing calculations. If > >> not set, it > >> ! should be excluded. > >> > >> P-bit > >> The "propagate" bit. Set on NSSA area prefixes that > >> should be > >> --- 4050,4060 ---- > >> Section 3.4.3.9. An implementation MAY also set the > >> LA-bit for > >> prefixes advertised with a host PrefixLength (128). > >> > >> ! x-bit > >> ! This bit was previously defined as a "multicast" > >> capability bit. > >> ! However, the use was never adequately specified and > >> it is being > >> ! deprecated. It is set to 0 and ignored upon reception. It > >> may be > >> ! reused in the future. > >> > >> P-bit > >> The "propagate" bit. Set on NSSA area prefixes that > >> should be > >> *************** > >> *** 4193,4209 **** > >> > >> The LSA function codes are defined as follows. The > >> origination > >> and > >> processing of these LSA function codes are defined > >> elsewhere in > >> this > >> ! document, except for the group-membership-LSA (see > >> [MOSPF]) and the > >> ! NSSA-LSA (see [NSSA]). As shown below, each LSA > >> function code also > >> > >> > >> > >> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 > >> [Page 75] > >> > >> > >> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > >> May > >> 2007 > >> > >> > >> ! implies a specific setting for the U, S1, and S2 bits. > >> > >> > >> LSA function code LS Type Description > >> --- 4193,4210 ---- > >> > >> The LSA function codes are defined as follows. The > >> origination > >> and > >> processing of these LSA function codes are defined > >> elsewhere in > >> this > >> ! document, except for the NSSA-LSA (see [NSSA]) and > >> 0x2006 which was > >> ! previously used by MOSPF (see [MOSPF]). MOSPF has been > >> deprecated > >> > >> > >> > >> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 > >> [Page 75] > >> > >> > >> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > >> August > >> 2007 > >> > >> > >> ! for OSPFv3. As shown below, each LSA function code also > >> implies a > >> ! specific setting for the U, S1, and S2 bits. > >> > >> > >> LSA function code LS Type Description > >> *************** > >> *** 4213,4219 **** > >> 3 0x2003 Inter-Area-Prefix-LSA > >> 4 0x2004 Inter-Area-Router-LSA > >> 5 0x4005 AS-external-LSA > >> ! 6 0x2006 Group-membership-LSA > >> 7 0x2007 NSSA-LSA > >> 8 0x0008 Link-LSA > >> 9 0x2009 Intra-Area-Prefix-LSA > >> --- 4214,4220 ---- > >> 3 0x2003 Inter-Area-Prefix-LSA > >> 4 0x2004 Inter-Area-Router-LSA > >> 5 0x4005 AS-external-LSA > >> ! 6 0x2006 Deprecated (May be > >> reused) > >> 7 0x2007 NSSA-LSA > >> 8 0x0008 Link-LSA > >> 9 0x2009 Intra-Area-Prefix-LSA > >> *************** > >> *** 4272,4278 **** > >> > >> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > >> +-+-+ > >> | LS Checksum | > >> Length | > >> > >> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > >> +-+-+ > >> ! | 0 |Nt|W|V|E|B| > >> Options | > >> > >> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > >> +-+-+ > >> | Type | 0 | > >> Metric | > >> > >> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > >> +-+-+ > >> --- 4272,4278 ---- > >> > >> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > >> +-+-+ > >> | LS Checksum | > >> Length | > >> > >> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > >> +-+-+ > >> ! | 0 |Nt|x|V|E|B| > >> Options | > >> > >> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > >> +-+-+ > >> | Type | 0 | > >> Metric | > >> > >> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > >> +-+-+ > >> *************** > >> *** 4326,4336 **** > >> Bit B > >> When set, the router is an area border router (B is for > >> border). > >> > >> ! Bit W > >> ! When set, the router is a wild-card multicast receiver. When > >> ! running MOSPF, these routers receive all multicast datagrams, > >> ! regardless of destination. See Sections 3, 4, and A.2 of > >> [MOSPF] > >> ! for details. > >> > >> Bit Nt > >> When set, the router is an NSSA border router that is > >> --- 4326,4335 ---- > >> Bit B > >> When set, the router is an area border router (B is for > >> border). > >> > >> ! Bit x > >> ! This bit was previously used by MOSPF (see [MOSPF]) > >> which has > >> been > >> ! deprecated for OSPFv3. It should be set to 0 and ignored > >> upon > >> ! reception. It may be reused in the future. > >> > >> Bit Nt > >> When set, the router is an NSSA border router that is > >> *************** > >> *** 5796,5806 **** > >> --- 5796,5814 ---- > >> o Add new prefix options and options field bits added in this > >> document to the IANA considerations. Refer to Section 5. > >> > >> + E.18. Changes from the 16 Version to the 17 Version > >> > >> + The section contains list of changes from version 16 to > >> version 17: > >> > >> > >> + o Changes to deprecate MOSPF for OSPFv3. Refer to Appendix > >> A.2, > >> + Appendix A.4.2.1, and Appendix A.4.3. > >> > >> + o Deprecate the MC-bit in the prefix options which was never > >> + adequated specified. Refer to Appendix A.4.1.1. > >> > >> + o Clarify the setting of the options in the > >> network-LSA. Refer to > >> + Appendix A.4.4. > >> > >> > >> > >> Acee-iMac:~/ietf/xml2rfc acee$ > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> OSPF mailing list > >> OSPF@ietf.org > >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf > >> > > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Thu Aug 02 14:16:50 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGfE8-00066m-F6; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:16:48 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGfE6-00066h-Sh for ospf@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:16:47 -0400 Received: from prattle.redback.com ([155.53.12.9]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGfE3-00087z-SU for ospf@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:16:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by prattle.redback.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B39BCA9023; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 11:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prattle.redback.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (prattle [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29760-03; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 11:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [JC??O??IPv6???1] (login005.redback.com [155.53.12.64]) by prattle.redback.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C391528D16; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 11:16:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <46B21BEF.F72A2FB2@earthlink.net> References: <66A3A59B-F3DA-437C-9107-67C36A4B93F7@redback.com> <4B7DAC3FEFD35D4A96BDD011699050140A4245F9@zrtphxm1.corp.nortel.com> <93E269EB-87EB-4B6F-B212-B3E15C049B55@redback.com> <46B21BEF.F72A2FB2@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Acee Lindem Subject: Re: [OSPF] Removal of MOSPF from OSPFv3 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 14:15:25 -0400 To: Erblichs X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at redback.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 313575717ab99ab523072fd0986ea42f Cc: OSPF List X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Mitchell, We've discussed this before (at least once). Nobody (to the best of my knowledge) has implemented MOSPF for OSPFv3. If they have, they should come forward with a complete specification since there were things missing from RFC 2740 (e.g., the definition of the group LSAs). Thanks, Acee On Aug 2, 2007, at 2:01 PM, Erblichs wrote: > Acee Lindem and group, > > IMO, OSPF needs to have some form > of formal DEPRECATION policy. > > WOULD it be more prudent to suggest first > generating some type of DEPRECATED statement? > > This is common in OSs when a feature is about > to be removed in one of the next releases. > Doing so ONLY in the context of a mail alias > limits the notification to a limited audience. > > IMO, that COULD be done by checking the bit > in the hello and if set generating the msg > one time per intf. > > In theory, the DEPRECATE statement would suggest > sending a email to the ospf@ietf.org mailing list > identifying the manufacturer and the box in > question. > > This could be done for 1 release time of say > 6 months to VERIFY that no-one is using that > bit.. > > Currently I believe the v3 spec says to ignore > a capability bit that is not understood. So, it > would quietly ignore if that bit is set. > > IFF this suggestion would be followed, then the > appropriate sections within the RFC get changed > to state that this item is being DEPRECATED, and > that anyone wishing to notify of any possible > conflict should send a email to the ospf@ietf.org > mail alias. > > THis would cover ALL users who MIGHT be using > a non-conformant and/or legacy (not currently in > business) router and people who read the ospf RFCs > but do not subscibe to the mail alias. > > In the legal sense, I believe this would be equal > to "Due Diligence". > > Mitchell Erblich > -------------------- > > > > > > > > Acee Lindem wrote: >> >> Hi Dan, >> >> On Aug 1, 2007, at 10:22 AM, Daniel Joyal wrote: >> >>> This also has an impact to the OSPFv3 MIB which has multicast- >>> specific >>> objects that would need to be removed. >> >> Yup. ospfv3MulticastExtensions and ospfv3IfMulticastForwarding could >> be removed. Anything else? >> >> Thanks, >> Acee >> >>> >>> -Dan >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee@redback.com] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:03 PM >>>> To: OSPF List >>>> Subject: [OSPF] Removal of MOSPF from OSPFv3 >>>> >>>> MOSPF has never really been fully specified in RFC 2740 and, >>>> to the best of my knowledge, has never been implemented. >>>> Hence, we again had some discussions about removing it from >>>> the respin. I've made the changes but have not submitting >>>> them. I've also attempted to reclaim the MC-bit in the prefix >>>> options since this was never fully specified either and has >>>> proved to be grossly inadequate to separate unicast and >>>> multicast topologies. Please send comments ASAP. If I don't >>>> hear any serious dissent I'll submit the update and we'll do >>>> a quick re-WGLC. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Acee >>>> >>>> *************** >>>> *** 82,89 **** >>>> addition, option handling has been made more flexible. >>>> >>>> All of OSPF for IPv4's optional capabilities, including >>>> demand >>>> ! circuit support, Not-So-Stubby Areas (NSSAs), and the >>>> multicast >>>> ! extensions to OSPF (MOSPF) are also supported in OSPF for >>>> IPv6. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- 82,89 ---- >>>> addition, option handling has been made more flexible. >>>> >>>> All of OSPF for IPv4's optional capabilities, including >>>> demand >>>> ! circuit support and Not-So-Stubby Areas (NSSAs) are also >>>> supported in >>>> ! OSPF for IPv6. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *************** >>>> *** 828,844 **** >>>> LSAs, network-LSAs, inter-area-prefix-LSAs, >>>> inter-area-router- LSAs, >>>> and intra-area-prefix-LSAs. LSAs with unknown LS type, >>>> U-bit set to >>>> 1 (flood even when unrecognized) and area scope also >>>> appear in the >>>> ! area data structure. IPv6 routers implementing MOSPF add >>>> group- >>>> ! membership-LSAs to the area data structure. NSSA-LSAs are >>>> also >>>> ! included in an NSSA area's data structure. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 >>>> [Page 15] >>>> >>>> >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>> May >>>> 2007 >>>> >>>> >>>> 3.1.2. The Interface Data structure >>>> --- 828,844 ---- >>>> LSAs, network-LSAs, inter-area-prefix-LSAs, >>>> inter-area-router- LSAs, >>>> and intra-area-prefix-LSAs. LSAs with unknown LS type, >>>> U-bit set to >>>> 1 (flood even when unrecognized) and area scope also >>>> appear in the >>>> ! area data structure. NSSA-LSAs are also included in an >>>> NSSA area's >>>> ! data structure. >>>> ! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 >>>> [Page 15] >>>> >>>> >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>> August >>>> 2007 >>>> >>>> >>>> 3.1.2. The Interface Data structure >>>> *************** >>>> *** 1086,1094 **** >>>> o The Options field within Database Description >>>> packets has moved >>>> around, getting larger in the process. More options >>>> bits are now >>>> possible. Those that MUST be set correctly in Database >>>> ! Description packets are: The MC-bit is set if and only >>>> if the >>>> ! router is forwarding multicast datagrams according to >>>> the MOSPF >>>> ! specification in [MOSPF], and the DC-bit is set if and only >>>> if the >>>> router wishes to suppress the sending of Hellos over >>>> the interface >>>> (see [DEMAND]). Unrecognized bits in the Database >>>> Description >>>> packet's Options field should be cleared. >>>> --- 1086,1092 ---- >>>> o The Options field within Database Description >>>> packets has moved >>>> around, getting larger in the process. More options >>>> bits are now >>>> possible. Those that MUST be set correctly in Database >>>> ! Description packets are: The DC-bit is set if and only >>>> if the >>>> router wishes to suppress the sending of Hellos over >>>> the interface >>>> (see [DEMAND]). Unrecognized bits in the Database >>>> Description >>>> packet's Options field should be cleared. >>>> *************** >>>> *** 1577,1591 **** >>>> should be set unless the router will not participate in >>>> transit >>>> IPv6 >>>> routing. The E-bit should be clear if and only if the >>>> attached area >>>> is an OSPF stub or OSPF NSSA area. The E-bit should >>>> always be set in >>>> ! AS scoped LSAs. The MC-bit should be set if and only if >>>> the router >>>> ! is running MOSPF and the LSA is to be used in the multicast >>>> SPF >>>> ! computation (see [MOSPF]). The N-bit should be set if >>>> and only if >>>> ! the attached area is an OSPF NSSA area. The R-bit should >>>> be set >>>> ! unless the router will not participate in any transit >>>> routing. The >>>> ! DC-bit should be set if and only if the router can correctly >>>> process >>>> ! the DoNotAge bit when it appears in the LS age field of LSAs >>>> (see >>>> ! [DEMAND]). All unrecognized bits in the Options field >>>> should be >>>> ! cleared. >>>> >>>> The V6-bit and R-bit are only examined in Router-LSAs >>>> during the SPF >>>> computation. In other LSA types containing options, >>>> they are set for >>>> --- 1577,1588 ---- >>>> should be set unless the router will not participate in >>>> transit >>>> IPv6 >>>> routing. The E-bit should be clear if and only if the >>>> attached area >>>> is an OSPF stub or OSPF NSSA area. The E-bit should >>>> always be set in >>>> ! AS scoped LSAs. The N-bit should be set if and only if the >>>> attached >>>> ! area is an OSPF NSSA area. The R-bit should be set unless the >>>> router >>>> ! will not participate in any transit routing. The DC-bit >>>> should be >>>> ! set if and only if the router can correctly process the >>>> DoNotAge >>>> bit >>>> ! when it appears in the LS age field of LSAs (see >>>> [DEMAND]). All >>>> ! unrecognized bits in the Options field should be cleared. >>>> >>>> The V6-bit and R-bit are only examined in Router-LSAs >>>> during the SPF >>>> computation. In other LSA types containing options, >>>> they are set for >>>> *************** >>>> *** 1603,1610 **** >>>> State ID fields. >>>> >>>> To the left of the Options field, the router capability >>>> bits V, E, >>>> ! and B should be set according to Section 12.4.1 of >>>> [OSPFV2]. Bit W >>>> ! should be coded according to [MOSPF]. >>>> >>>> Each of the router's interfaces to the area are then >>>> described by >>>> appending "link descriptions" to the router-LSA. Each link >>>> --- 1600,1606 ---- >>>> State ID fields. >>>> >>>> To the left of the Options field, the router capability >>>> bits V, E, >>>> ! and B should be set according to Section 12.4.1 of [OSPFV2]. >>>> >>>> Each of the router's interfaces to the area are then >>>> described by >>>> appending "link descriptions" to the router-LSA. Each link >>>> *************** >>>> *** 1732,1748 **** >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 >>>> [Page 31] >>>> >>>> >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>> May >>>> 2007 >>>> >>>> >>>> Designated Router. >>>> >>>> o The Options field in the network-LSA is set to the >>>> logical OR of >>>> the Options fields contained within the link's >>>> associated link- >>>> ! LSAs. In this way, the network link exhibits a capability >>>> when at >>>> ! least one of the link's routers requests that the >>>> capability be >>>> advertised. >>>> >>>> As an example, assuming that Router RT4 has been >>>> elected Designated >>>> --- 1732,1749 ---- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 >>>> [Page 31] >>>> >>>> >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>> August >>>> 2007 >>>> >>>> >>>> Designated Router. >>>> >>>> o The Options field in the network-LSA is set to the >>>> logical OR of >>>> the Options fields contained within the link's >>>> associated link- >>>> ! LSAs corresponding to fully adjacent neighbors. In >>>> this way, >>>> the >>>> ! network link exhibits a capability when at least one fully >>>> ! adjacent neighbor on the link requests that the >>>> capability be >>>> advertised. >>>> >>>> As an example, assuming that Router RT4 has been >>>> elected Designated >>>> *************** >>>> *** 1787,1801 **** >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ! >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 >>>> [Page 32] >>>> >>>> >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>> May >>>> 2007 >>>> >>>> >>>> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. The >>>> coding >>>> ! of the MC-bit depends upon whether, and if so how, MOSPF is >>>> ! operating in the routing domain (see [MOSPF]). >>>> >>>> o Link-local addresses MUST never be advertised in inter- >>>> area- >>>> prefix-LSAs. >>>> --- 1788,1799 ---- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 >>>> [Page 32] >>>> >>>> >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>> August >>>> 2007 >>>> >>>> >>>> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. >>>> >>>> o Link-local addresses MUST never be advertised in inter- >>>> area- >>>> prefix-LSAs. >>>> *************** >>>> *** 1894,1916 **** >>>> Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body. >>>> Network Mask >>>> is no longer specified. >>>> >>>> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. The >>>> coding >>>> ! of the MC-bit depends upon whether, and if so how, MOSPF is >>>> ! operating in the routing domain (see [MOSPF]). >>>> ! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 >>>> [Page 34] >>>> - >>>> >>>> - Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>> May >>>> 2007 >>>> >>>> >>>> ! o Link-local addresses can never be advertised in AS- >>>> external- >>>> LSAs. >>>> >>>> - o The forwarding address is present in the >>>> AS-external-LSA if and >>>> - only if the AS-external-LSA's bit F is set. >>>> >>>> o The external route tag is present in the >>>> AS-external-LSA if and >>>> only if the AS-external-LSA's bit T is set. >>>> --- 1892,1911 ---- >>>> Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body. >>>> Network Mask >>>> is no longer specified. >>>> >>>> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. >>>> >>>> + o Link-local addresses can never be advertised in AS- >>>> external- >>>> LSAs. >>>> >>>> + o The forwarding address is present in the >>>> AS-external-LSA if and >>>> + only if the AS-external-LSA's bit F is set. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 >>>> [Page 34] >>>> ! >>>> >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>> August >>>> 2007 >>>> >>>> >>>> o The external route tag is present in the >>>> AS-external-LSA if and >>>> only if the AS-external-LSA's bit T is set. >>>> *************** >>>> *** 1982,1990 **** >>>> Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body. >>>> Network >>>> Mask >>>> is no longer specified. >>>> >>>> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. The >>>> coding >>>> ! of the MC-bit depends upon whether, and if so how, MOSPF is >>>> ! operating in the routing domain (see [MOSPF]). >>>> >>>> o Link-local addresses can never be advertised in NSSA-LSAs. >>>> >>>> --- 1971,1977 ---- >>>> Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body. >>>> Network >>>> Mask >>>> is no longer specified. >>>> >>>> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. >>>> >>>> o Link-local addresses can never be advertised in NSSA-LSAs. >>>> >>>> *************** >>>> *** 2450,2475 **** >>>> area-prefix-LSAs (0x2003), inter-area-router-LSAs (0x2004), >>>> NSSA-LSAs >>>> (0x2007), AS-external-LSAs (0x4005), link-LSAs (0x0008), and >>>> Intra- >>>> Area-Prefix-LSAs (0x2009) are assumed to be understood by all >>>> ! routers. However, not all LS types are understood by >>>> all routers, >>>> ! For example, the group-membership-LSA (0x2006) is understood >>>> only by >>>> ! MOSPF routers and since it has its U-bit set to 0. This LS >>>> Type >>>> ! should only be flooded to a non-MOSPF neighbor (determined by >>>> ! examining the MC-bit in the neighbor's Database Description >>>> packets' >>>> ! Options field) when the neighbor is Designated Router or >>>> Backup >>>> ! Designated Router for the attached link. >>>> ! >>>> ! The previous paragraph solves a problem for IPv4 OSPF >>>> extensions >>>> such >>>> ! >>>> ! >>>> ! >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 >>>> [Page 44] >>>> ! >>>> >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>> May >>>> 2007 >>>> ! >>>> ! >>>> ! as MOSPF, which require that the Designated Router support the >>>> ! extension in order to have the new LSA types flooded across >>>> broadcast >>>> ! and NBMA networks (see Section 10.2 of [MOSPF]). >>>> >>>> 3.5.3. Installing LSAs in the database >>>> >>>> --- 2422,2436 ---- >>>> area-prefix-LSAs (0x2003), inter-area-router-LSAs (0x2004), >>>> NSSA-LSAs >>>> (0x2007), AS-external-LSAs (0x4005), link-LSAs (0x0008), and >>>> Intra- >>>> Area-Prefix-LSAs (0x2009) are assumed to be understood by all >>>> ! routers. However, all LS types MAY not be understood by all >>>> routers. >>>> ! For example, a new LSA type with its U-bit set to 0 MAY >>>> only be >>>> ! understood by a subset of routers. This new LS Type >>>> should only be >>>> ! flooded to an OSPF neighbor that understands the LS type >>>> or when >>>> the >>>> ! neighbor that doesn't understand it is Designated Router >>>> or Backup >>>> ! Designated Router for the attached link. This allows >>>> the LSA to be >>>> ! flooded on the local link even if either the router elected >>>> ! Designated Router or Backup Designated Router doesn't >>>> understand >>>> the >>>> ! LS type. >>>> >>>> 3.5.3. Installing LSAs in the database >>>> >>>> *************** >>>> *** 3395,3406 **** >>>> neighbor relationships from forming (e.g., the E-bit >>>> below); these >>>> mismatches are discovered through the sending and >>>> receiving of >>>> Hello >>>> packets. Some option mismatches prevent particular LSA >>>> types from >>>> ! being flooded across adjacencies (e.g., the MC-bit >>>> below); these >>>> are >>>> ! discovered through the sending and receiving of Database >>>> Description >>>> ! packets. Some option mismatches prevent routers from being >>>> included >>>> ! in one or more of the various routing calculations >>>> because of their >>>> ! reduced functionality (again, the MC-bit is an example); these >>>> ! mismatches are discovered by examining LSAs. >>>> >>>> Seven bits of the OSPF Options field have been assigned. >>>> Each >>>> bit is >>>> described briefly below. Routers should reset (i.e., clear) >>>> --- 3395,3405 ---- >>>> neighbor relationships from forming (e.g., the E-bit >>>> below); these >>>> mismatches are discovered through the sending and >>>> receiving of >>>> Hello >>>> packets. Some option mismatches prevent particular LSA >>>> types from >>>> ! being flooded across adjacencies these are discovered through >>>> the >>>> ! sending and receiving of Database Description packets. >>>> Some option >>>> ! mismatches prevent routers from being included in one or >>>> more of >>>> the >>>> ! various routing calculations because of their reduced >>>> functionality; >>>> ! these mismatches are discovered by examining LSAs. >>>> >>>> Seven bits of the OSPF Options field have been assigned. >>>> Each >>>> bit is >>>> described briefly below. Routers should reset (i.e., clear) >>>> *************** >>>> *** 3414,3429 **** >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 >>>> [Page 61] >>>> >>>> >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>> May >>>> 2007 >>>> >>>> >>>> 1 2 >>>> ! 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 >>>> ! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+--+--+--+ >>>> ! | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |*|*|DC|R|N|MC| E|V6| >>>> ! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+--+--+--+ >>>> >>>> The Options field >>>> >>>> --- 3413,3429 ---- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ! >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 >>>> [Page 61] >>>> >>>> >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>> August >>>> 2007 >>>> >>>> >>>> 1 2 >>>> ! 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 >>>> ! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+--+ >>>> ! | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |*|*|DC|R|N|x| E|V6| >>>> ! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+--+ >>>> >>>> The Options field >>>> >>>> *************** >>>> *** 3438,3446 **** >>>> This bit describes the way AS-external-LSAs are >>>> flooded, as >>>> described in Sections 3.6, 9.5, 10.8, and 12.1.2 of >>>> [OSPFV2]. >>>> >>>> ! MC-bit >>>> ! This bit describes whether IP multicast datagrams are >>>> forwarded >>>> ! according to the specifications in [MOSPF]. >>>> >>>> N-bit >>>> This bit indicates whether or not the router is >>>> attached to an >>>> --- 3438,3447 ---- >>>> This bit describes the way AS-external-LSAs are >>>> flooded, as >>>> described in Sections 3.6, 9.5, 10.8, and 12.1.2 of >>>> [OSPFV2]. >>>> >>>> ! x-Bit >>>> ! This bit was previously used by MOSPF (see [MOSPF]) >>>> which has >>>> been >>>> ! deprecated for OSPFv3. It should be set to 0 and ignored >>>> upon >>>> ! reception. It may be reused in the future. >>>> >>>> N-bit >>>> This bit indicates whether or not the router is >>>> attached to an >>>> *************** >>>> *** 4021,4038 **** >>>> cases or are to be marked as not readvertisable in others. >>>> >>>> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 >>>> ! +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+ >>>> ! | | | |DN| P|MC|LA|NU| >>>> ! +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 >>>> [Page 72] >>>> >>>> >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>> May >>>> 2007 >>>> >>>> >>>> The Prefix Options field >>>> --- 4021,4038 ---- >>>> cases or are to be marked as not readvertisable in others. >>>> >>>> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 >>>> ! +--+--+--+--+--+-+--+--+ >>>> ! | | | |DN| P|x|LA|NU| >>>> ! +--+--+--+--+--+-+--+--+ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 >>>> [Page 72] >>>> >>>> >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>> August >>>> 2007 >>>> >>>> >>>> The Prefix Options field >>>> *************** >>>> *** 4050,4059 **** >>>> Section 3.4.3.9. An implementation MAY also set the >>>> LA-bit for >>>> prefixes advertised with a host PrefixLength (128). >>>> >>>> ! MC-bit >>>> ! The "multicast" capability bit. If set, the prefix >>>> should be >>>> ! included in IPv6 multicast routing calculations. If >>>> not set, it >>>> ! should be excluded. >>>> >>>> P-bit >>>> The "propagate" bit. Set on NSSA area prefixes that >>>> should be >>>> --- 4050,4060 ---- >>>> Section 3.4.3.9. An implementation MAY also set the >>>> LA-bit for >>>> prefixes advertised with a host PrefixLength (128). >>>> >>>> ! x-bit >>>> ! This bit was previously defined as a "multicast" >>>> capability bit. >>>> ! However, the use was never adequately specified and >>>> it is being >>>> ! deprecated. It is set to 0 and ignored upon reception. It >>>> may be >>>> ! reused in the future. >>>> >>>> P-bit >>>> The "propagate" bit. Set on NSSA area prefixes that >>>> should be >>>> *************** >>>> *** 4193,4209 **** >>>> >>>> The LSA function codes are defined as follows. The >>>> origination >>>> and >>>> processing of these LSA function codes are defined >>>> elsewhere in >>>> this >>>> ! document, except for the group-membership-LSA (see >>>> [MOSPF]) and the >>>> ! NSSA-LSA (see [NSSA]). As shown below, each LSA >>>> function code also >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 >>>> [Page 75] >>>> >>>> >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>> May >>>> 2007 >>>> >>>> >>>> ! implies a specific setting for the U, S1, and S2 bits. >>>> >>>> >>>> LSA function code LS Type Description >>>> --- 4193,4210 ---- >>>> >>>> The LSA function codes are defined as follows. The >>>> origination >>>> and >>>> processing of these LSA function codes are defined >>>> elsewhere in >>>> this >>>> ! document, except for the NSSA-LSA (see [NSSA]) and >>>> 0x2006 which was >>>> ! previously used by MOSPF (see [MOSPF]). MOSPF has been >>>> deprecated >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 >>>> [Page 75] >>>> >>>> >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>> August >>>> 2007 >>>> >>>> >>>> ! for OSPFv3. As shown below, each LSA function code also >>>> implies a >>>> ! specific setting for the U, S1, and S2 bits. >>>> >>>> >>>> LSA function code LS Type Description >>>> *************** >>>> *** 4213,4219 **** >>>> 3 0x2003 Inter-Area-Prefix-LSA >>>> 4 0x2004 Inter-Area-Router-LSA >>>> 5 0x4005 AS-external-LSA >>>> ! 6 0x2006 Group-membership-LSA >>>> 7 0x2007 NSSA-LSA >>>> 8 0x0008 Link-LSA >>>> 9 0x2009 Intra-Area-Prefix-LSA >>>> --- 4214,4220 ---- >>>> 3 0x2003 Inter-Area-Prefix-LSA >>>> 4 0x2004 Inter-Area-Router-LSA >>>> 5 0x4005 AS-external-LSA >>>> ! 6 0x2006 Deprecated (May be >>>> reused) >>>> 7 0x2007 NSSA-LSA >>>> 8 0x0008 Link-LSA >>>> 9 0x2009 Intra-Area-Prefix-LSA >>>> *************** >>>> *** 4272,4278 **** >>>> >>>> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >>>> +-+-+ >>>> | LS Checksum | >>>> Length | >>>> >>>> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >>>> +-+-+ >>>> ! | 0 |Nt|W|V|E|B| >>>> Options | >>>> >>>> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >>>> +-+-+ >>>> | Type | 0 | >>>> Metric | >>>> >>>> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >>>> +-+-+ >>>> --- 4272,4278 ---- >>>> >>>> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >>>> +-+-+ >>>> | LS Checksum | >>>> Length | >>>> >>>> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >>>> +-+-+ >>>> ! | 0 |Nt|x|V|E|B| >>>> Options | >>>> >>>> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >>>> +-+-+ >>>> | Type | 0 | >>>> Metric | >>>> >>>> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >>>> +-+-+ >>>> *************** >>>> *** 4326,4336 **** >>>> Bit B >>>> When set, the router is an area border router (B is for >>>> border). >>>> >>>> ! Bit W >>>> ! When set, the router is a wild-card multicast receiver. >>>> When >>>> ! running MOSPF, these routers receive all multicast >>>> datagrams, >>>> ! regardless of destination. See Sections 3, 4, and A.2 of >>>> [MOSPF] >>>> ! for details. >>>> >>>> Bit Nt >>>> When set, the router is an NSSA border router that is >>>> --- 4326,4335 ---- >>>> Bit B >>>> When set, the router is an area border router (B is for >>>> border). >>>> >>>> ! Bit x >>>> ! This bit was previously used by MOSPF (see [MOSPF]) >>>> which has >>>> been >>>> ! deprecated for OSPFv3. It should be set to 0 and ignored >>>> upon >>>> ! reception. It may be reused in the future. >>>> >>>> Bit Nt >>>> When set, the router is an NSSA border router that is >>>> *************** >>>> *** 5796,5806 **** >>>> --- 5796,5814 ---- >>>> o Add new prefix options and options field bits added in >>>> this >>>> document to the IANA considerations. Refer to Section 5. >>>> >>>> + E.18. Changes from the 16 Version to the 17 Version >>>> >>>> + The section contains list of changes from version 16 to >>>> version 17: >>>> >>>> >>>> + o Changes to deprecate MOSPF for OSPFv3. Refer to Appendix >>>> A.2, >>>> + Appendix A.4.2.1, and Appendix A.4.3. >>>> >>>> + o Deprecate the MC-bit in the prefix options which was never >>>> + adequated specified. Refer to Appendix A.4.1.1. >>>> >>>> + o Clarify the setting of the options in the >>>> network-LSA. Refer to >>>> + Appendix A.4.4. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Acee-iMac:~/ietf/xml2rfc acee$ >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> OSPF mailing list >>>> OSPF@ietf.org >>>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSPF mailing list >> OSPF@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Thu Aug 02 18:33:28 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGjEL-0008SW-6X; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:33:17 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGjEJ-0008SQ-Ss for ospf@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:33:15 -0400 Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.64]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGjEI-00042r-DS for ospf@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:33:15 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=aIP+iYD/gY3IMNwaysP7DqeE3CNUBjIdHvxARlrcSmAhb7PPzX7EVIXTRW6H6aBv; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:X-Sender:X-Mailer:X-Accept-Language:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.164.83.247] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IGjEG-0003YB-0M; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:33:12 -0400 Message-ID: <46B25A86.72B967B9@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 15:28:22 -0700 From: Erblichs X-Sender: "Erblichs" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Acee Lindem Subject: Re: [OSPF] Removal of MOSPF from OSPFv3 References: <66A3A59B-F3DA-437C-9107-67C36A4B93F7@redback.com> <4B7DAC3FEFD35D4A96BDD011699050140A4245F9@zrtphxm1.corp.nortel.com> <93E269EB-87EB-4B6F-B212-B3E15C049B55@redback.com> <46B21BEF.F72A2FB2@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 074f60c55517ea841aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79c92bce97ee3f56f3b49a8f4663738bc6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.83.247 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 313575717ab99ab523072fd0986ea42f Cc: OSPF List X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Yes Acee, I think we did, Are you 100% sure that NO-ONE generated a MOSPF implimentation OR used it for something ELSE OR if this bit is set is going to do WEIRD things. If not then WHY NOT be as careful as possible? I just think that this isn't the ONLY thing in the current or future that COULD/SHOULD be DEPRECATED. We could let a larger audience OUTSIDE of this mail alias be AWARE that this/these things are intended to be DEPRCATED/REMOVED. It has been around for years? Document it for 6 months, and set a clock, and MAYBE have implimentations check whether this bit is set? However, this last bit introduces the chicken and egg problem, That's why it needs to be a 1-time FYI msg if generated. Then get rid of it... Then the issue comes into play about routers no longer having their supftware updated who IGNORE this bit once it is re-used. Mitchell Erblich ------------------ Acee Lindem wrote: > > Mitchell, > We've discussed this before (at least once). Nobody (to the best of > my knowledge) has implemented MOSPF for OSPFv3. If they have, they > should come forward with a complete specification since there were > things missing from RFC 2740 (e.g., the definition of the group LSAs). > > Thanks, > Acee > On Aug 2, 2007, at 2:01 PM, Erblichs wrote: > > > Acee Lindem and group, > > > > IMO, OSPF needs to have some form > > of formal DEPRECATION policy. > > > > WOULD it be more prudent to suggest first > > generating some type of DEPRECATED statement? > > > > This is common in OSs when a feature is about > > to be removed in one of the next releases. > > Doing so ONLY in the context of a mail alias > > limits the notification to a limited audience. > > > > IMO, that COULD be done by checking the bit > > in the hello and if set generating the msg > > one time per intf. > > > > In theory, the DEPRECATE statement would suggest > > sending a email to the ospf@ietf.org mailing list > > identifying the manufacturer and the box in > > question. > > > > This could be done for 1 release time of say > > 6 months to VERIFY that no-one is using that > > bit.. > > > > Currently I believe the v3 spec says to ignore > > a capability bit that is not understood. So, it > > would quietly ignore if that bit is set. > > > > IFF this suggestion would be followed, then the > > appropriate sections within the RFC get changed > > to state that this item is being DEPRECATED, and > > that anyone wishing to notify of any possible > > conflict should send a email to the ospf@ietf.org > > mail alias. > > > > THis would cover ALL users who MIGHT be using > > a non-conformant and/or legacy (not currently in > > business) router and people who read the ospf RFCs > > but do not subscibe to the mail alias. > > > > In the legal sense, I believe this would be equal > > to "Due Diligence". > > > > Mitchell Erblich > > -------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Acee Lindem wrote: > >> > >> Hi Dan, > >> > >> On Aug 1, 2007, at 10:22 AM, Daniel Joyal wrote: > >> > >>> This also has an impact to the OSPFv3 MIB which has multicast- > >>> specific > >>> objects that would need to be removed. > >> > >> Yup. ospfv3MulticastExtensions and ospfv3IfMulticastForwarding could > >> be removed. Anything else? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Acee > >> > >>> > >>> -Dan > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee@redback.com] > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:03 PM > >>>> To: OSPF List > >>>> Subject: [OSPF] Removal of MOSPF from OSPFv3 > >>>> > >>>> MOSPF has never really been fully specified in RFC 2740 and, > >>>> to the best of my knowledge, has never been implemented. > >>>> Hence, we again had some discussions about removing it from > >>>> the respin. I've made the changes but have not submitting > >>>> them. I've also attempted to reclaim the MC-bit in the prefix > >>>> options since this was never fully specified either and has > >>>> proved to be grossly inadequate to separate unicast and > >>>> multicast topologies. Please send comments ASAP. If I don't > >>>> hear any serious dissent I'll submit the update and we'll do > >>>> a quick re-WGLC. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> Acee > >>>> > >>>> *************** > >>>> *** 82,89 **** > >>>> addition, option handling has been made more flexible. > >>>> > >>>> All of OSPF for IPv4's optional capabilities, including > >>>> demand > >>>> ! circuit support, Not-So-Stubby Areas (NSSAs), and the > >>>> multicast > >>>> ! extensions to OSPF (MOSPF) are also supported in OSPF for > >>>> IPv6. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> --- 82,89 ---- > >>>> addition, option handling has been made more flexible. > >>>> > >>>> All of OSPF for IPv4's optional capabilities, including > >>>> demand > >>>> ! circuit support and Not-So-Stubby Areas (NSSAs) are also > >>>> supported in > >>>> ! OSPF for IPv6. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> *************** > >>>> *** 828,844 **** > >>>> LSAs, network-LSAs, inter-area-prefix-LSAs, > >>>> inter-area-router- LSAs, > >>>> and intra-area-prefix-LSAs. LSAs with unknown LS type, > >>>> U-bit set to > >>>> 1 (flood even when unrecognized) and area scope also > >>>> appear in the > >>>> ! area data structure. IPv6 routers implementing MOSPF add > >>>> group- > >>>> ! membership-LSAs to the area data structure. NSSA-LSAs are > >>>> also > >>>> ! included in an NSSA area's data structure. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 > >>>> [Page 15] > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > >>>> May > >>>> 2007 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 3.1.2. The Interface Data structure > >>>> --- 828,844 ---- > >>>> LSAs, network-LSAs, inter-area-prefix-LSAs, > >>>> inter-area-router- LSAs, > >>>> and intra-area-prefix-LSAs. LSAs with unknown LS type, > >>>> U-bit set to > >>>> 1 (flood even when unrecognized) and area scope also > >>>> appear in the > >>>> ! area data structure. NSSA-LSAs are also included in an > >>>> NSSA area's > >>>> ! data structure. > >>>> ! > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 > >>>> [Page 15] > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > >>>> August > >>>> 2007 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 3.1.2. The Interface Data structure > >>>> *************** > >>>> *** 1086,1094 **** > >>>> o The Options field within Database Description > >>>> packets has moved > >>>> around, getting larger in the process. More options > >>>> bits are now > >>>> possible. Those that MUST be set correctly in Database > >>>> ! Description packets are: The MC-bit is set if and only > >>>> if the > >>>> ! router is forwarding multicast datagrams according to > >>>> the MOSPF > >>>> ! specification in [MOSPF], and the DC-bit is set if and only > >>>> if the > >>>> router wishes to suppress the sending of Hellos over > >>>> the interface > >>>> (see [DEMAND]). Unrecognized bits in the Database > >>>> Description > >>>> packet's Options field should be cleared. > >>>> --- 1086,1092 ---- > >>>> o The Options field within Database Description > >>>> packets has moved > >>>> around, getting larger in the process. More options > >>>> bits are now > >>>> possible. Those that MUST be set correctly in Database > >>>> ! Description packets are: The DC-bit is set if and only > >>>> if the > >>>> router wishes to suppress the sending of Hellos over > >>>> the interface > >>>> (see [DEMAND]). Unrecognized bits in the Database > >>>> Description > >>>> packet's Options field should be cleared. > >>>> *************** > >>>> *** 1577,1591 **** > >>>> should be set unless the router will not participate in > >>>> transit > >>>> IPv6 > >>>> routing. The E-bit should be clear if and only if the > >>>> attached area > >>>> is an OSPF stub or OSPF NSSA area. The E-bit should > >>>> always be set in > >>>> ! AS scoped LSAs. The MC-bit should be set if and only if > >>>> the router > >>>> ! is running MOSPF and the LSA is to be used in the multicast > >>>> SPF > >>>> ! computation (see [MOSPF]). The N-bit should be set if > >>>> and only if > >>>> ! the attached area is an OSPF NSSA area. The R-bit should > >>>> be set > >>>> ! unless the router will not participate in any transit > >>>> routing. The > >>>> ! DC-bit should be set if and only if the router can correctly > >>>> process > >>>> ! the DoNotAge bit when it appears in the LS age field of LSAs > >>>> (see > >>>> ! [DEMAND]). All unrecognized bits in the Options field > >>>> should be > >>>> ! cleared. > >>>> > >>>> The V6-bit and R-bit are only examined in Router-LSAs > >>>> during the SPF > >>>> computation. In other LSA types containing options, > >>>> they are set for > >>>> --- 1577,1588 ---- > >>>> should be set unless the router will not participate in > >>>> transit > >>>> IPv6 > >>>> routing. The E-bit should be clear if and only if the > >>>> attached area > >>>> is an OSPF stub or OSPF NSSA area. The E-bit should > >>>> always be set in > >>>> ! AS scoped LSAs. The N-bit should be set if and only if the > >>>> attached > >>>> ! area is an OSPF NSSA area. The R-bit should be set unless the > >>>> router > >>>> ! will not participate in any transit routing. The DC-bit > >>>> should be > >>>> ! set if and only if the router can correctly process the > >>>> DoNotAge > >>>> bit > >>>> ! when it appears in the LS age field of LSAs (see > >>>> [DEMAND]). All > >>>> ! unrecognized bits in the Options field should be cleared. > >>>> > >>>> The V6-bit and R-bit are only examined in Router-LSAs > >>>> during the SPF > >>>> computation. In other LSA types containing options, > >>>> they are set for > >>>> *************** > >>>> *** 1603,1610 **** > >>>> State ID fields. > >>>> > >>>> To the left of the Options field, the router capability > >>>> bits V, E, > >>>> ! and B should be set according to Section 12.4.1 of > >>>> [OSPFV2]. Bit W > >>>> ! should be coded according to [MOSPF]. > >>>> > >>>> Each of the router's interfaces to the area are then > >>>> described by > >>>> appending "link descriptions" to the router-LSA. Each link > >>>> --- 1600,1606 ---- > >>>> State ID fields. > >>>> > >>>> To the left of the Options field, the router capability > >>>> bits V, E, > >>>> ! and B should be set according to Section 12.4.1 of [OSPFV2]. > >>>> > >>>> Each of the router's interfaces to the area are then > >>>> described by > >>>> appending "link descriptions" to the router-LSA. Each link > >>>> *************** > >>>> *** 1732,1748 **** > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 > >>>> [Page 31] > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > >>>> May > >>>> 2007 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Designated Router. > >>>> > >>>> o The Options field in the network-LSA is set to the > >>>> logical OR of > >>>> the Options fields contained within the link's > >>>> associated link- > >>>> ! LSAs. In this way, the network link exhibits a capability > >>>> when at > >>>> ! least one of the link's routers requests that the > >>>> capability be > >>>> advertised. > >>>> > >>>> As an example, assuming that Router RT4 has been > >>>> elected Designated > >>>> --- 1732,1749 ---- > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 > >>>> [Page 31] > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > >>>> August > >>>> 2007 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Designated Router. > >>>> > >>>> o The Options field in the network-LSA is set to the > >>>> logical OR of > >>>> the Options fields contained within the link's > >>>> associated link- > >>>> ! LSAs corresponding to fully adjacent neighbors. In > >>>> this way, > >>>> the > >>>> ! network link exhibits a capability when at least one fully > >>>> ! adjacent neighbor on the link requests that the > >>>> capability be > >>>> advertised. > >>>> > >>>> As an example, assuming that Router RT4 has been > >>>> elected Designated > >>>> *************** > >>>> *** 1787,1801 **** > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ! > >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 > >>>> [Page 32] > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > >>>> May > >>>> 2007 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. The > >>>> coding > >>>> ! of the MC-bit depends upon whether, and if so how, MOSPF is > >>>> ! operating in the routing domain (see [MOSPF]). > >>>> > >>>> o Link-local addresses MUST never be advertised in inter- > >>>> area- > >>>> prefix-LSAs. > >>>> --- 1788,1799 ---- > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 > >>>> [Page 32] > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > >>>> August > >>>> 2007 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. > >>>> > >>>> o Link-local addresses MUST never be advertised in inter- > >>>> area- > >>>> prefix-LSAs. > >>>> *************** > >>>> *** 1894,1916 **** > >>>> Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body. > >>>> Network Mask > >>>> is no longer specified. > >>>> > >>>> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. The > >>>> coding > >>>> ! of the MC-bit depends upon whether, and if so how, MOSPF is > >>>> ! operating in the routing domain (see [MOSPF]). > >>>> ! > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> - Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 > >>>> [Page 34] > >>>> - > >>>> > >>>> - Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > >>>> May > >>>> 2007 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ! o Link-local addresses can never be advertised in AS- > >>>> external- > >>>> LSAs. > >>>> > >>>> - o The forwarding address is present in the > >>>> AS-external-LSA if and > >>>> - only if the AS-external-LSA's bit F is set. > >>>> > >>>> o The external route tag is present in the > >>>> AS-external-LSA if and > >>>> only if the AS-external-LSA's bit T is set. > >>>> --- 1892,1911 ---- > >>>> Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body. > >>>> Network Mask > >>>> is no longer specified. > >>>> > >>>> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. > >>>> > >>>> + o Link-local addresses can never be advertised in AS- > >>>> external- > >>>> LSAs. > >>>> > >>>> + o The forwarding address is present in the > >>>> AS-external-LSA if and > >>>> + only if the AS-external-LSA's bit F is set. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 > >>>> [Page 34] > >>>> ! > >>>> > >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > >>>> August > >>>> 2007 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> o The external route tag is present in the > >>>> AS-external-LSA if and > >>>> only if the AS-external-LSA's bit T is set. > >>>> *************** > >>>> *** 1982,1990 **** > >>>> Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body. > >>>> Network > >>>> Mask > >>>> is no longer specified. > >>>> > >>>> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. The > >>>> coding > >>>> ! of the MC-bit depends upon whether, and if so how, MOSPF is > >>>> ! operating in the routing domain (see [MOSPF]). > >>>> > >>>> o Link-local addresses can never be advertised in NSSA-LSAs. > >>>> > >>>> --- 1971,1977 ---- > >>>> Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body. > >>>> Network > >>>> Mask > >>>> is no longer specified. > >>>> > >>>> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. > >>>> > >>>> o Link-local addresses can never be advertised in NSSA-LSAs. > >>>> > >>>> *************** > >>>> *** 2450,2475 **** > >>>> area-prefix-LSAs (0x2003), inter-area-router-LSAs (0x2004), > >>>> NSSA-LSAs > >>>> (0x2007), AS-external-LSAs (0x4005), link-LSAs (0x0008), and > >>>> Intra- > >>>> Area-Prefix-LSAs (0x2009) are assumed to be understood by all > >>>> ! routers. However, not all LS types are understood by > >>>> all routers, > >>>> ! For example, the group-membership-LSA (0x2006) is understood > >>>> only by > >>>> ! MOSPF routers and since it has its U-bit set to 0. This LS > >>>> Type > >>>> ! should only be flooded to a non-MOSPF neighbor (determined by > >>>> ! examining the MC-bit in the neighbor's Database Description > >>>> packets' > >>>> ! Options field) when the neighbor is Designated Router or > >>>> Backup > >>>> ! Designated Router for the attached link. > >>>> ! > >>>> ! The previous paragraph solves a problem for IPv4 OSPF > >>>> extensions > >>>> such > >>>> ! > >>>> ! > >>>> ! > >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 > >>>> [Page 44] > >>>> ! > >>>> > >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > >>>> May > >>>> 2007 > >>>> ! > >>>> ! > >>>> ! as MOSPF, which require that the Designated Router support the > >>>> ! extension in order to have the new LSA types flooded across > >>>> broadcast > >>>> ! and NBMA networks (see Section 10.2 of [MOSPF]). > >>>> > >>>> 3.5.3. Installing LSAs in the database > >>>> > >>>> --- 2422,2436 ---- > >>>> area-prefix-LSAs (0x2003), inter-area-router-LSAs (0x2004), > >>>> NSSA-LSAs > >>>> (0x2007), AS-external-LSAs (0x4005), link-LSAs (0x0008), and > >>>> Intra- > >>>> Area-Prefix-LSAs (0x2009) are assumed to be understood by all > >>>> ! routers. However, all LS types MAY not be understood by all > >>>> routers. > >>>> ! For example, a new LSA type with its U-bit set to 0 MAY > >>>> only be > >>>> ! understood by a subset of routers. This new LS Type > >>>> should only be > >>>> ! flooded to an OSPF neighbor that understands the LS type > >>>> or when > >>>> the > >>>> ! neighbor that doesn't understand it is Designated Router > >>>> or Backup > >>>> ! Designated Router for the attached link. This allows > >>>> the LSA to be > >>>> ! flooded on the local link even if either the router elected > >>>> ! Designated Router or Backup Designated Router doesn't > >>>> understand > >>>> the > >>>> ! LS type. > >>>> > >>>> 3.5.3. Installing LSAs in the database > >>>> > >>>> *************** > >>>> *** 3395,3406 **** > >>>> neighbor relationships from forming (e.g., the E-bit > >>>> below); these > >>>> mismatches are discovered through the sending and > >>>> receiving of > >>>> Hello > >>>> packets. Some option mismatches prevent particular LSA > >>>> types from > >>>> ! being flooded across adjacencies (e.g., the MC-bit > >>>> below); these > >>>> are > >>>> ! discovered through the sending and receiving of Database > >>>> Description > >>>> ! packets. Some option mismatches prevent routers from being > >>>> included > >>>> ! in one or more of the various routing calculations > >>>> because of their > >>>> ! reduced functionality (again, the MC-bit is an example); these > >>>> ! mismatches are discovered by examining LSAs. > >>>> > >>>> Seven bits of the OSPF Options field have been assigned. > >>>> Each > >>>> bit is > >>>> described briefly below. Routers should reset (i.e., clear) > >>>> --- 3395,3405 ---- > >>>> neighbor relationships from forming (e.g., the E-bit > >>>> below); these > >>>> mismatches are discovered through the sending and > >>>> receiving of > >>>> Hello > >>>> packets. Some option mismatches prevent particular LSA > >>>> types from > >>>> ! being flooded across adjacencies these are discovered through > >>>> the > >>>> ! sending and receiving of Database Description packets. > >>>> Some option > >>>> ! mismatches prevent routers from being included in one or > >>>> more of > >>>> the > >>>> ! various routing calculations because of their reduced > >>>> functionality; > >>>> ! these mismatches are discovered by examining LSAs. > >>>> > >>>> Seven bits of the OSPF Options field have been assigned. > >>>> Each > >>>> bit is > >>>> described briefly below. Routers should reset (i.e., clear) > >>>> *************** > >>>> *** 3414,3429 **** > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 > >>>> [Page 61] > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > >>>> May > >>>> 2007 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 1 2 > >>>> ! 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 > >>>> ! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+--+--+--+ > >>>> ! | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |*|*|DC|R|N|MC| E|V6| > >>>> ! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+--+--+--+ > >>>> > >>>> The Options field > >>>> > >>>> --- 3413,3429 ---- > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ! > >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 > >>>> [Page 61] > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > >>>> August > >>>> 2007 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 1 2 > >>>> ! 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 > >>>> ! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+--+ > >>>> ! | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |*|*|DC|R|N|x| E|V6| > >>>> ! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+--+ > >>>> > >>>> The Options field > >>>> > >>>> *************** > >>>> *** 3438,3446 **** > >>>> This bit describes the way AS-external-LSAs are > >>>> flooded, as > >>>> described in Sections 3.6, 9.5, 10.8, and 12.1.2 of > >>>> [OSPFV2]. > >>>> > >>>> ! MC-bit > >>>> ! This bit describes whether IP multicast datagrams are > >>>> forwarded > >>>> ! according to the specifications in [MOSPF]. > >>>> > >>>> N-bit > >>>> This bit indicates whether or not the router is > >>>> attached to an > >>>> --- 3438,3447 ---- > >>>> This bit describes the way AS-external-LSAs are > >>>> flooded, as > >>>> described in Sections 3.6, 9.5, 10.8, and 12.1.2 of > >>>> [OSPFV2]. > >>>> > >>>> ! x-Bit > >>>> ! This bit was previously used by MOSPF (see [MOSPF]) > >>>> which has > >>>> been > >>>> ! deprecated for OSPFv3. It should be set to 0 and ignored > >>>> upon > >>>> ! reception. It may be reused in the future. > >>>> > >>>> N-bit > >>>> This bit indicates whether or not the router is > >>>> attached to an > >>>> *************** > >>>> *** 4021,4038 **** > >>>> cases or are to be marked as not readvertisable in others. > >>>> > >>>> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 > >>>> ! +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+ > >>>> ! | | | |DN| P|MC|LA|NU| > >>>> ! +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 > >>>> [Page 72] > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > >>>> May > >>>> 2007 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> The Prefix Options field > >>>> --- 4021,4038 ---- > >>>> cases or are to be marked as not readvertisable in others. > >>>> > >>>> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 > >>>> ! +--+--+--+--+--+-+--+--+ > >>>> ! | | | |DN| P|x|LA|NU| > >>>> ! +--+--+--+--+--+-+--+--+ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 > >>>> [Page 72] > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > >>>> August > >>>> 2007 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> The Prefix Options field > >>>> *************** > >>>> *** 4050,4059 **** > >>>> Section 3.4.3.9. An implementation MAY also set the > >>>> LA-bit for > >>>> prefixes advertised with a host PrefixLength (128). > >>>> > >>>> ! MC-bit > >>>> ! The "multicast" capability bit. If set, the prefix > >>>> should be > >>>> ! included in IPv6 multicast routing calculations. If > >>>> not set, it > >>>> ! should be excluded. > >>>> > >>>> P-bit > >>>> The "propagate" bit. Set on NSSA area prefixes that > >>>> should be > >>>> --- 4050,4060 ---- > >>>> Section 3.4.3.9. An implementation MAY also set the > >>>> LA-bit for > >>>> prefixes advertised with a host PrefixLength (128). > >>>> > >>>> ! x-bit > >>>> ! This bit was previously defined as a "multicast" > >>>> capability bit. > >>>> ! However, the use was never adequately specified and > >>>> it is being > >>>> ! deprecated. It is set to 0 and ignored upon reception. It > >>>> may be > >>>> ! reused in the future. > >>>> > >>>> P-bit > >>>> The "propagate" bit. Set on NSSA area prefixes that > >>>> should be > >>>> *************** > >>>> *** 4193,4209 **** > >>>> > >>>> The LSA function codes are defined as follows. The > >>>> origination > >>>> and > >>>> processing of these LSA function codes are defined > >>>> elsewhere in > >>>> this > >>>> ! document, except for the group-membership-LSA (see > >>>> [MOSPF]) and the > >>>> ! NSSA-LSA (see [NSSA]). As shown below, each LSA > >>>> function code also > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 > >>>> [Page 75] > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > >>>> May > >>>> 2007 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ! implies a specific setting for the U, S1, and S2 bits. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> LSA function code LS Type Description > >>>> --- 4193,4210 ---- > >>>> > >>>> The LSA function codes are defined as follows. The > >>>> origination > >>>> and > >>>> processing of these LSA function codes are defined > >>>> elsewhere in > >>>> this > >>>> ! document, except for the NSSA-LSA (see [NSSA]) and > >>>> 0x2006 which was > >>>> ! previously used by MOSPF (see [MOSPF]). MOSPF has been > >>>> deprecated > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 > >>>> [Page 75] > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > >>>> August > >>>> 2007 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ! for OSPFv3. As shown below, each LSA function code also > >>>> implies a > >>>> ! specific setting for the U, S1, and S2 bits. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> LSA function code LS Type Description > >>>> *************** > >>>> *** 4213,4219 **** > >>>> 3 0x2003 Inter-Area-Prefix-LSA > >>>> 4 0x2004 Inter-Area-Router-LSA > >>>> 5 0x4005 AS-external-LSA > >>>> ! 6 0x2006 Group-membership-LSA > >>>> 7 0x2007 NSSA-LSA > >>>> 8 0x0008 Link-LSA > >>>> 9 0x2009 Intra-Area-Prefix-LSA > >>>> --- 4214,4220 ---- > >>>> 3 0x2003 Inter-Area-Prefix-LSA > >>>> 4 0x2004 Inter-Area-Router-LSA > >>>> 5 0x4005 AS-external-LSA > >>>> ! 6 0x2006 Deprecated (May be > >>>> reused) > >>>> 7 0x2007 NSSA-LSA > >>>> 8 0x0008 Link-LSA > >>>> 9 0x2009 Intra-Area-Prefix-LSA > >>>> *************** > >>>> *** 4272,4278 **** > >>>> > >>>> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > >>>> +-+-+ > >>>> | LS Checksum | > >>>> Length | > >>>> > >>>> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > >>>> +-+-+ > >>>> ! | 0 |Nt|W|V|E|B| > >>>> Options | > >>>> > >>>> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > >>>> +-+-+ > >>>> | Type | 0 | > >>>> Metric | > >>>> > >>>> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > >>>> +-+-+ > >>>> --- 4272,4278 ---- > >>>> > >>>> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > >>>> +-+-+ > >>>> | LS Checksum | > >>>> Length | > >>>> > >>>> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > >>>> +-+-+ > >>>> ! | 0 |Nt|x|V|E|B| > >>>> Options | > >>>> > >>>> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > >>>> +-+-+ > >>>> | Type | 0 | > >>>> Metric | > >>>> > >>>> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > >>>> +-+-+ > >>>> *************** > >>>> *** 4326,4336 **** > >>>> Bit B > >>>> When set, the router is an area border router (B is for > >>>> border). > >>>> > >>>> ! Bit W > >>>> ! When set, the router is a wild-card multicast receiver. > >>>> When > >>>> ! running MOSPF, these routers receive all multicast > >>>> datagrams, > >>>> ! regardless of destination. See Sections 3, 4, and A.2 of > >>>> [MOSPF] > >>>> ! for details. > >>>> > >>>> Bit Nt > >>>> When set, the router is an NSSA border router that is > >>>> --- 4326,4335 ---- > >>>> Bit B > >>>> When set, the router is an area border router (B is for > >>>> border). > >>>> > >>>> ! Bit x > >>>> ! This bit was previously used by MOSPF (see [MOSPF]) > >>>> which has > >>>> been > >>>> ! deprecated for OSPFv3. It should be set to 0 and ignored > >>>> upon > >>>> ! reception. It may be reused in the future. > >>>> > >>>> Bit Nt > >>>> When set, the router is an NSSA border router that is > >>>> *************** > >>>> *** 5796,5806 **** > >>>> --- 5796,5814 ---- > >>>> o Add new prefix options and options field bits added in > >>>> this > >>>> _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Thu Aug 02 18:40:53 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGjLh-0006p3-2G; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:40:53 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGjLf-0006ox-GE for ospf@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:40:51 -0400 Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.70]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGjLd-0004CS-Vr for ospf@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:40:51 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=aHW/Bv6U35CBzeFhVcdP7PWw5tf/CMohrQ19Oy0OOcT4UlxtPODAHX5HNPsBbBsv; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:X-Sender:X-Mailer:X-Accept-Language:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.164.83.247] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IGjLb-0003JI-Ji; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:40:48 -0400 Message-ID: <46B25C2C.79BF72A6@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 15:35:24 -0700 From: Erblichs X-Sender: "Erblichs" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Acee Lindem , Daniel Joyal , OSPF List Subject: Re: [OSPF] Removal of MOSPF from OSPFv3 References: <66A3A59B-F3DA-437C-9107-67C36A4B93F7@redback.com> <4B7DAC3FEFD35D4A96BDD011699050140A4245F9@zrtphxm1.corp.nortel.com> <93E269EB-87EB-4B6F-B212-B3E15C049B55@redback.com> <46B21BEF.F72A2FB2@earthlink.net> <46B25A86.72B967B9@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 074f60c55517ea841aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec795a170f6bf62998ff378a3149598e01e2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.83.247 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a9d8f61f7718176ef97b85bbcc64331 Cc: X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Acee and group, Has the IETF removed / plan to remove the MOSPF RFC? Mitchell Erblich ---------------- Erblichs wrote: > > Yes Acee, I think we did, > > Are you 100% sure that NO-ONE generated a MOSPF > implimentation OR used it for something ELSE OR > if this bit is set is going to do WEIRD things. > If not then WHY NOT be as careful as possible? > > I just think that this isn't the ONLY thing in the > current or future that COULD/SHOULD be DEPRECATED. > > We could let a larger audience OUTSIDE of this > mail alias be AWARE that this/these things are intended > to be DEPRCATED/REMOVED. > > It has been around for years? > Document it for 6 months, and set a clock, and MAYBE > have implimentations check whether this bit is set? > However, this last bit introduces the chicken and > egg problem, That's why it needs to be a 1-time FYI > msg if generated. > > Then get rid of it... > > Then the issue comes into play about routers no longer > having their supftware updated who IGNORE this bit > once it is re-used. > > Mitchell Erblich > ------------------ > > > > Acee Lindem wrote: > > > > Mitchell, > > We've discussed this before (at least once). Nobody (to the best of > > my knowledge) has implemented MOSPF for OSPFv3. If they have, they > > should come forward with a complete specification since there were > > things missing from RFC 2740 (e.g., the definition of the group LSAs). > > > > Thanks, > > Acee > > On Aug 2, 2007, at 2:01 PM, Erblichs wrote: > > > > > Acee Lindem and group, > > > > > > IMO, OSPF needs to have some form > > > of formal DEPRECATION policy. > > > > > > WOULD it be more prudent to suggest first > > > generating some type of DEPRECATED statement? > > > > > > This is common in OSs when a feature is about > > > to be removed in one of the next releases. > > > Doing so ONLY in the context of a mail alias > > > limits the notification to a limited audience. > > > > > > IMO, that COULD be done by checking the bit > > > in the hello and if set generating the msg > > > one time per intf. > > > > > > In theory, the DEPRECATE statement would suggest > > > sending a email to the ospf@ietf.org mailing list > > > identifying the manufacturer and the box in > > > question. > > > > > > This could be done for 1 release time of say > > > 6 months to VERIFY that no-one is using that > > > bit.. > > > > > > Currently I believe the v3 spec says to ignore > > > a capability bit that is not understood. So, it > > > would quietly ignore if that bit is set. > > > > > > IFF this suggestion would be followed, then the > > > appropriate sections within the RFC get changed > > > to state that this item is being DEPRECATED, and > > > that anyone wishing to notify of any possible > > > conflict should send a email to the ospf@ietf.org > > > mail alias. > > > > > > THis would cover ALL users who MIGHT be using > > > a non-conformant and/or legacy (not currently in > > > business) router and people who read the ospf RFCs > > > but do not subscibe to the mail alias. > > > > > > In the legal sense, I believe this would be equal > > > to "Due Diligence". > > > > > > Mitchell Erblich > > > -------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Acee Lindem wrote: > > >> > > >> Hi Dan, > > >> > > >> On Aug 1, 2007, at 10:22 AM, Daniel Joyal wrote: > > >> > > >>> This also has an impact to the OSPFv3 MIB which has multicast- > > >>> specific > > >>> objects that would need to be removed. > > >> > > >> Yup. ospfv3MulticastExtensions and ospfv3IfMulticastForwarding could > > >> be removed. Anything else? > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> Acee > > >> > > >>> > > >>> -Dan > > >>> > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>> From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee@redback.com] > > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:03 PM > > >>>> To: OSPF List > > >>>> Subject: [OSPF] Removal of MOSPF from OSPFv3 > > >>>> > > >>>> MOSPF has never really been fully specified in RFC 2740 and, > > >>>> to the best of my knowledge, has never been implemented. > > >>>> Hence, we again had some discussions about removing it from > > >>>> the respin. I've made the changes but have not submitting > > >>>> them. I've also attempted to reclaim the MC-bit in the prefix > > >>>> options since this was never fully specified either and has > > >>>> proved to be grossly inadequate to separate unicast and > > >>>> multicast topologies. Please send comments ASAP. If I don't > > >>>> hear any serious dissent I'll submit the update and we'll do > > >>>> a quick re-WGLC. > > >>>> > > >>>> Thanks, > > >>>> Acee > > >>>> > > >>>> *************** > > >>>> *** 82,89 **** > > >>>> addition, option handling has been made more flexible. > > >>>> > > >>>> All of OSPF for IPv4's optional capabilities, including > > >>>> demand > > >>>> ! circuit support, Not-So-Stubby Areas (NSSAs), and the > > >>>> multicast > > >>>> ! extensions to OSPF (MOSPF) are also supported in OSPF for > > >>>> IPv6. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> --- 82,89 ---- > > >>>> addition, option handling has been made more flexible. > > >>>> > > >>>> All of OSPF for IPv4's optional capabilities, including > > >>>> demand > > >>>> ! circuit support and Not-So-Stubby Areas (NSSAs) are also > > >>>> supported in > > >>>> ! OSPF for IPv6. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> *************** > > >>>> *** 828,844 **** > > >>>> LSAs, network-LSAs, inter-area-prefix-LSAs, > > >>>> inter-area-router- LSAs, > > >>>> and intra-area-prefix-LSAs. LSAs with unknown LS type, > > >>>> U-bit set to > > >>>> 1 (flood even when unrecognized) and area scope also > > >>>> appear in the > > >>>> ! area data structure. IPv6 routers implementing MOSPF add > > >>>> group- > > >>>> ! membership-LSAs to the area data structure. NSSA-LSAs are > > >>>> also > > >>>> ! included in an NSSA area's data structure. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 > > >>>> [Page 15] > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > > >>>> May > > >>>> 2007 > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> 3.1.2. The Interface Data structure > > >>>> --- 828,844 ---- > > >>>> LSAs, network-LSAs, inter-area-prefix-LSAs, > > >>>> inter-area-router- LSAs, > > >>>> and intra-area-prefix-LSAs. LSAs with unknown LS type, > > >>>> U-bit set to > > >>>> 1 (flood even when unrecognized) and area scope also > > >>>> appear in the > > >>>> ! area data structure. NSSA-LSAs are also included in an > > >>>> NSSA area's > > >>>> ! data structure. > > >>>> ! > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 > > >>>> [Page 15] > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > > >>>> August > > >>>> 2007 > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> 3.1.2. The Interface Data structure > > >>>> *************** > > >>>> *** 1086,1094 **** > > >>>> o The Options field within Database Description > > >>>> packets has moved > > >>>> around, getting larger in the process. More options > > >>>> bits are now > > >>>> possible. Those that MUST be set correctly in Database > > >>>> ! Description packets are: The MC-bit is set if and only > > >>>> if the > > >>>> ! router is forwarding multicast datagrams according to > > >>>> the MOSPF > > >>>> ! specification in [MOSPF], and the DC-bit is set if and only > > >>>> if the > > >>>> router wishes to suppress the sending of Hellos over > > >>>> the interface > > >>>> (see [DEMAND]). Unrecognized bits in the Database > > >>>> Description > > >>>> packet's Options field should be cleared. > > >>>> --- 1086,1092 ---- > > >>>> o The Options field within Database Description > > >>>> packets has moved > > >>>> around, getting larger in the process. More options > > >>>> bits are now > > >>>> possible. Those that MUST be set correctly in Database > > >>>> ! Description packets are: The DC-bit is set if and only > > >>>> if the > > >>>> router wishes to suppress the sending of Hellos over > > >>>> the interface > > >>>> (see [DEMAND]). Unrecognized bits in the Database > > >>>> Description > > >>>> packet's Options field should be cleared. > > >>>> *************** > > >>>> *** 1577,1591 **** > > >>>> should be set unless the router will not participate in > > >>>> transit > > >>>> IPv6 > > >>>> routing. The E-bit should be clear if and only if the > > >>>> attached area > > >>>> is an OSPF stub or OSPF NSSA area. The E-bit should > > >>>> always be set in > > >>>> ! AS scoped LSAs. The MC-bit should be set if and only if > > >>>> the router > > >>>> ! is running MOSPF and the LSA is to be used in the multicast > > >>>> SPF > > >>>> ! computation (see [MOSPF]). The N-bit should be set if > > >>>> and only if > > >>>> ! the attached area is an OSPF NSSA area. The R-bit should > > >>>> be set > > >>>> ! unless the router will not participate in any transit > > >>>> routing. The > > >>>> ! DC-bit should be set if and only if the router can correctly > > >>>> process > > >>>> ! the DoNotAge bit when it appears in the LS age field of LSAs > > >>>> (see > > >>>> ! [DEMAND]). All unrecognized bits in the Options field > > >>>> should be > > >>>> ! cleared. > > >>>> > > >>>> The V6-bit and R-bit are only examined in Router-LSAs > > >>>> during the SPF > > >>>> computation. In other LSA types containing options, > > >>>> they are set for > > >>>> --- 1577,1588 ---- > > >>>> should be set unless the router will not participate in > > >>>> transit > > >>>> IPv6 > > >>>> routing. The E-bit should be clear if and only if the > > >>>> attached area > > >>>> is an OSPF stub or OSPF NSSA area. The E-bit should > > >>>> always be set in > > >>>> ! AS scoped LSAs. The N-bit should be set if and only if the > > >>>> attached > > >>>> ! area is an OSPF NSSA area. The R-bit should be set unless the > > >>>> router > > >>>> ! will not participate in any transit routing. The DC-bit > > >>>> should be > > >>>> ! set if and only if the router can correctly process the > > >>>> DoNotAge > > >>>> bit > > >>>> ! when it appears in the LS age field of LSAs (see > > >>>> [DEMAND]). All > > >>>> ! unrecognized bits in the Options field should be cleared. > > >>>> > > >>>> The V6-bit and R-bit are only examined in Router-LSAs > > >>>> during the SPF > > >>>> computation. In other LSA types containing options, > > >>>> they are set for > > >>>> *************** > > >>>> *** 1603,1610 **** > > >>>> State ID fields. > > >>>> > > >>>> To the left of the Options field, the router capability > > >>>> bits V, E, > > >>>> ! and B should be set according to Section 12.4.1 of > > >>>> [OSPFV2]. Bit W > > >>>> ! should be coded according to [MOSPF]. > > >>>> > > >>>> Each of the router's interfaces to the area are then > > >>>> described by > > >>>> appending "link descriptions" to the router-LSA. Each link > > >>>> --- 1600,1606 ---- > > >>>> State ID fields. > > >>>> > > >>>> To the left of the Options field, the router capability > > >>>> bits V, E, > > >>>> ! and B should be set according to Section 12.4.1 of [OSPFV2]. > > >>>> > > >>>> Each of the router's interfaces to the area are then > > >>>> described by > > >>>> appending "link descriptions" to the router-LSA. Each link > > >>>> *************** > > >>>> *** 1732,1748 **** > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 > > >>>> [Page 31] > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > > >>>> May > > >>>> 2007 > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Designated Router. > > >>>> > > >>>> o The Options field in the network-LSA is set to the > > >>>> logical OR of > > >>>> the Options fields contained within the link's > > >>>> associated link- > > >>>> ! LSAs. In this way, the network link exhibits a capability > > >>>> when at > > >>>> ! least one of the link's routers requests that the > > >>>> capability be > > >>>> advertised. > > >>>> > > >>>> As an example, assuming that Router RT4 has been > > >>>> elected Designated > > >>>> --- 1732,1749 ---- > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 > > >>>> [Page 31] > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > > >>>> August > > >>>> 2007 > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Designated Router. > > >>>> > > >>>> o The Options field in the network-LSA is set to the > > >>>> logical OR of > > >>>> the Options fields contained within the link's > > >>>> associated link- > > >>>> ! LSAs corresponding to fully adjacent neighbors. In > > >>>> this way, > > >>>> the > > >>>> ! network link exhibits a capability when at least one fully > > >>>> ! adjacent neighbor on the link requests that the > > >>>> capability be > > >>>> advertised. > > >>>> > > >>>> As an example, assuming that Router RT4 has been > > >>>> elected Designated > > >>>> *************** > > >>>> *** 1787,1801 **** > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ! > > >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 > > >>>> [Page 32] > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > > >>>> May > > >>>> 2007 > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. The > > >>>> coding > > >>>> ! of the MC-bit depends upon whether, and if so how, MOSPF is > > >>>> ! operating in the routing domain (see [MOSPF]). > > >>>> > > >>>> o Link-local addresses MUST never be advertised in inter- > > >>>> area- > > >>>> prefix-LSAs. > > >>>> --- 1788,1799 ---- > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 > > >>>> [Page 32] > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > > >>>> August > > >>>> 2007 > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. > > >>>> > > >>>> o Link-local addresses MUST never be advertised in inter- > > >>>> area- > > >>>> prefix-LSAs. > > >>>> *************** > > >>>> *** 1894,1916 **** > > >>>> Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body. > > >>>> Network Mask > > >>>> is no longer specified. > > >>>> > > >>>> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. The > > >>>> coding > > >>>> ! of the MC-bit depends upon whether, and if so how, MOSPF is > > >>>> ! operating in the routing domain (see [MOSPF]). > > >>>> ! > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> - Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 > > >>>> [Page 34] > > >>>> - > > >>>> > > >>>> - Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > > >>>> May > > >>>> 2007 > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ! o Link-local addresses can never be advertised in AS- > > >>>> external- > > >>>> LSAs. > > >>>> > > >>>> - o The forwarding address is present in the > > >>>> AS-external-LSA if and > > >>>> - only if the AS-external-LSA's bit F is set. > > >>>> > > >>>> o The external route tag is present in the > > >>>> AS-external-LSA if and > > >>>> only if the AS-external-LSA's bit T is set. > > >>>> --- 1892,1911 ---- > > >>>> Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body. > > >>>> Network Mask > > >>>> is no longer specified. > > >>>> > > >>>> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. > > >>>> > > >>>> + o Link-local addresses can never be advertised in AS- > > >>>> external- > > >>>> LSAs. > > >>>> > > >>>> + o The forwarding address is present in the > > >>>> AS-external-LSA if and > > >>>> + only if the AS-external-LSA's bit F is set. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 > > >>>> [Page 34] > > >>>> ! > > >>>> > > >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > > >>>> August > > >>>> 2007 > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> o The external route tag is present in the > > >>>> AS-external-LSA if and > > >>>> only if the AS-external-LSA's bit T is set. > > >>>> *************** > > >>>> *** 1982,1990 **** > > >>>> Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body. > > >>>> Network > > >>>> Mask > > >>>> is no longer specified. > > >>>> > > >>>> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. The > > >>>> coding > > >>>> ! of the MC-bit depends upon whether, and if so how, MOSPF is > > >>>> ! operating in the routing domain (see [MOSPF]). > > >>>> > > >>>> o Link-local addresses can never be advertised in NSSA-LSAs. > > >>>> > > >>>> --- 1971,1977 ---- > > >>>> Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body. > > >>>> Network > > >>>> Mask > > >>>> is no longer specified. > > >>>> > > >>>> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. > > >>>> > > >>>> o Link-local addresses can never be advertised in NSSA-LSAs. > > >>>> > > >>>> *************** > > >>>> *** 2450,2475 **** > > >>>> area-prefix-LSAs (0x2003), inter-area-router-LSAs (0x2004), > > >>>> NSSA-LSAs > > >>>> (0x2007), AS-external-LSAs (0x4005), link-LSAs (0x0008), and > > >>>> Intra- > > >>>> Area-Prefix-LSAs (0x2009) are assumed to be understood by all > > >>>> ! routers. However, not all LS types are understood by > > >>>> all routers, > > >>>> ! For example, the group-membership-LSA (0x2006) is understood > > >>>> only by > > >>>> ! MOSPF routers and since it has its U-bit set to 0. This LS > > >>>> Type > > >>>> ! should only be flooded to a non-MOSPF neighbor (determined by > > >>>> ! examining the MC-bit in the neighbor's Database Description > > >>>> packets' > > >>>> ! Options field) when the neighbor is Designated Router or > > >>>> Backup > > >>>> ! Designated Router for the attached link. > > >>>> ! > > >>>> ! The previous paragraph solves a problem for IPv4 OSPF > > >>>> extensions > > >>>> such > > >>>> ! > > >>>> ! > > >>>> ! > > >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 > > >>>> [Page 44] > > >>>> ! > > >>>> > > >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > > >>>> May > > >>>> 2007 > > >>>> ! > > >>>> ! > > >>>> ! as MOSPF, which require that the Designated Router support the > > >>>> ! extension in order to have the new LSA types flooded across > > >>>> broadcast > > >>>> ! and NBMA networks (see Section 10.2 of [MOSPF]). > > >>>> > > >>>> 3.5.3. Installing LSAs in the database > > >>>> > > >>>> --- 2422,2436 ---- > > >>>> area-prefix-LSAs (0x2003), inter-area-router-LSAs (0x2004), > > >>>> NSSA-LSAs > > >>>> (0x2007), AS-external-LSAs (0x4005), link-LSAs (0x0008), and > > >>>> Intra- > > >>>> Area-Prefix-LSAs (0x2009) are assumed to be understood by all > > >>>> ! routers. However, all LS types MAY not be understood by all > > >>>> routers. > > >>>> ! For example, a new LSA type with its U-bit set to 0 MAY > > >>>> only be > > >>>> ! understood by a subset of routers. This new LS Type > > >>>> should only be > > >>>> ! flooded to an OSPF neighbor that understands the LS type > > >>>> or when > > >>>> the > > >>>> ! neighbor that doesn't understand it is Designated Router > > >>>> or Backup > > >>>> ! Designated Router for the attached link. This allows > > >>>> the LSA to be > > >>>> ! flooded on the local link even if either the router elected > > >>>> ! Designated Router or Backup Designated Router doesn't > > >>>> understand > > >>>> the > > >>>> ! LS type. > > >>>> > > >>>> 3.5.3. Installing LSAs in the database > > >>>> > > >>>> *************** > > >>>> *** 3395,3406 **** > > >>>> neighbor relationships from forming (e.g., the E-bit > > >>>> below); these > > >>>> mismatches are discovered through the sending and > > >>>> receiving of > > >>>> Hello > > >>>> packets. Some option mismatches prevent particular LSA > > >>>> types from > > >>>> ! being flooded across adjacencies (e.g., the MC-bit > > >>>> below); these > > >>>> are > > >>>> ! discovered through the sending and receiving of Database > > >>>> Description > > >>>> ! packets. Some option mismatches prevent routers from being > > >>>> included > > >>>> ! in one or more of the various routing calculations > > >>>> because of their > > >>>> ! reduced functionality (again, the MC-bit is an example); these > > >>>> ! mismatches are discovered by examining LSAs. > > >>>> > > >>>> Seven bits of the OSPF Options field have been assigned. > > >>>> Each > > >>>> bit is > > >>>> described briefly below. Routers should reset (i.e., clear) > > >>>> --- 3395,3405 ---- > > >>>> neighbor relationships from forming (e.g., the E-bit > > >>>> below); these > > >>>> mismatches are discovered through the sending and > > >>>> receiving of > > >>>> Hello > > >>>> packets. Some option mismatches prevent particular LSA > > >>>> types from > > >>>> ! being flooded across adjacencies these are discovered through > > >>>> the > > >>>> ! sending and receiving of Database Description packets. > > >>>> Some option > > >>>> ! mismatches prevent routers from being included in one or > > >>>> more of > > >>>> the > > >>>> ! various routing calculations because of their reduced > > >>>> functionality; > > >>>> ! these mismatches are discovered by examining LSAs. > > >>>> > > >>>> Seven bits of the OSPF Options field have been assigned. > > >>>> Each > > >>>> bit is > > >>>> described briefly below. Routers should reset (i.e., clear) > > >>>> *************** > > >>>> *** 3414,3429 **** > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 > > >>>> [Page 61] > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > > >>>> May > > >>>> 2007 > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> 1 2 > > >>>> ! 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 > > >>>> ! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+--+--+--+ > > >>>> ! | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |*|*|DC|R|N|MC| E|V6| > > >>>> ! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+--+--+--+ > > >>>> > > >>>> The Options field > > >>>> > > >>>> --- 3413,3429 ---- > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ! > > >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 > > >>>> [Page 61] > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > > >>>> August > > >>>> 2007 > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> 1 2 > > >>>> ! 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 > > >>>> ! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+--+ > > >>>> ! | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |*|*|DC|R|N|x| E|V6| > > >>>> ! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+--+ > > >>>> > > >>>> The Options field > > >>>> > > >>>> *************** > > >>>> *** 3438,3446 **** > > >>>> This bit describes the way AS-external-LSAs are > > >>>> flooded, as > > >>>> described in Sections 3.6, 9.5, 10.8, and 12.1.2 of > > >>>> [OSPFV2]. > > >>>> > > >>>> ! MC-bit > > >>>> ! This bit describes whether IP multicast datagrams are > > >>>> forwarded > > >>>> ! according to the specifications in [MOSPF]. > > >>>> > > >>>> N-bit > > >>>> This bit indicates whether or not the router is > > >>>> attached to an > > >>>> --- 3438,3447 ---- > > >>>> This bit describes the way AS-external-LSAs are > > >>>> flooded, as > > >>>> described in Sections 3.6, 9.5, 10.8, and 12.1.2 of > > >>>> [OSPFV2]. > > >>>> > > >>>> ! x-Bit > > >>>> ! This bit was previously used by MOSPF (see [MOSPF]) > > >>>> which has > > >>>> been > > >>>> ! deprecated for OSPFv3. It should be set to 0 and ignored > > >>>> upon > > >>>> ! reception. It may be reused in the future. > > >>>> > > >>>> N-bit > > >>>> This bit indicates whether or not the router is > > >>>> attached to an > > >>>> *************** > > >>>> *** 4021,4038 **** > > >>>> cases or are to be marked as not readvertisable in others. > > >>>> > > >>>> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 > > >>>> ! +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+ > > >>>> ! | | | |DN| P|MC|LA|NU| > > >>>> ! +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+ > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 > > >>>> [Page 72] > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > > >>>> May > > >>>> 2007 > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> The Prefix Options field > > >>>> --- 4021,4038 ---- > > >>>> cases or are to be marked as not readvertisable in others. > > >>>> > > >>>> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 > > >>>> ! +--+--+--+--+--+-+--+--+ > > >>>> ! | | | |DN| P|x|LA|NU| > > >>>> ! +--+--+--+--+--+-+--+--+ > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 > > >>>> [Page 72] > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > > >>>> August > > >>>> 2007 > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> The Prefix Options field > > >>>> *************** > > >>>> *** 4050,4059 **** > > >>>> Section 3.4.3.9. An implementation MAY also set the > > >>>> LA-bit for > > >>>> prefixes advertised with a host PrefixLength (128). > > >>>> > > >>>> ! MC-bit > > >>>> ! The "multicast" capability bit. If set, the prefix > > >>>> should be > > >>>> ! included in IPv6 multicast routing calculations. If > > >>>> not set, it > > >>>> ! should be excluded. > > >>>> > > >>>> P-bit > > >>>> The "propagate" bit. Set on NSSA area prefixes that > > >>>> should be > > >>>> --- 4050,4060 ---- > > >>>> Section 3.4.3.9. An implementation MAY also set the > > >>>> LA-bit for > > >>>> prefixes advertised with a host PrefixLength (128). > > >>>> > > >>>> ! x-bit > > >>>> ! This bit was previously defined as a "multicast" > > >>>> capability bit. > > >>>> ! However, the use was never adequately specified and > > >>>> it is being > > >>>> ! deprecated. It is set to 0 and ignored upon reception. It > > >>>> may be > > >>>> ! reused in the future. > > >>>> > > >>>> P-bit > > >>>> The "propagate" bit. Set on NSSA area prefixes that > > >>>> should be > > >>>> *************** > > >>>> *** 4193,4209 **** > > >>>> > > >>>> The LSA function codes are defined as follows. The > > >>>> origination > > >>>> and > > >>>> processing of these LSA function codes are defined > > >>>> elsewhere in > > >>>> this > > >>>> ! document, except for the group-membership-LSA (see > > >>>> [MOSPF]) and the > > >>>> ! NSSA-LSA (see [NSSA]). As shown below, each LSA > > >>>> function code also > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 > > >>>> [Page 75] > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > > >>>> May > > >>>> 2007 > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ! implies a specific setting for the U, S1, and S2 bits. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> LSA function code LS Type Description > > >>>> --- 4193,4210 ---- > > >>>> > > >>>> The LSA function codes are defined as follows. The > > >>>> origination > > >>>> and > > >>>> processing of these LSA function codes are defined > > >>>> elsewhere in > > >>>> this > > >>>> ! document, except for the NSSA-LSA (see [NSSA]) and > > >>>> 0x2006 which was > > >>>> ! previously used by MOSPF (see [MOSPF]). MOSPF has been > > >>>> deprecated > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 > > >>>> [Page 75] > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 > > >>>> August > > >>>> 2007 > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ! for OSPFv3. As shown below, each LSA function code also > > >>>> implies a > > >>>> ! specific setting for the U, S1, and S2 bits. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> LSA function code LS Type Description > > >>>> *************** > > >>>> *** 4213,4219 **** > > >>>> 3 0x2003 Inter-Area-Prefix-LSA > > >>>> 4 0x2004 Inter-Area-Router-LSA > > >>>> 5 0x4005 AS-external-LSA > > >>>> ! 6 0x2006 Group-membership-LSA > > >>>> 7 0x2007 NSSA-LSA > > >>>> 8 0x0008 Link-LSA > > >>>> 9 0x2009 Intra-Area-Prefix-LSA > > >>>> --- 4214,4220 ---- > > >>>> 3 0x2003 Inter-Area-Prefix-LSA > > >>>> 4 0x2004 Inter-Area-Router-LSA > > >>>> 5 0x4005 AS-external-LSA > > >>>> ! _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Thu Aug 02 19:23:54 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGk1I-0005x7-2m; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 19:23:52 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGk1G-0005ww-O7 for ospf@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 19:23:50 -0400 Received: from prattle.redback.com ([155.53.12.9]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGk1E-0005v7-4m for ospf@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 19:23:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by prattle.redback.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD902720C54; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 16:23:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prattle.redback.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (prattle [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07230-01; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 16:23:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [ZK??O??IPv6???1] (login005.redback.com [155.53.12.64]) by prattle.redback.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1A13720C53; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 16:23:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <46B25C2C.79BF72A6@earthlink.net> References: <66A3A59B-F3DA-437C-9107-67C36A4B93F7@redback.com> <4B7DAC3FEFD35D4A96BDD011699050140A4245F9@zrtphxm1.corp.nortel.com> <93E269EB-87EB-4B6F-B212-B3E15C049B55@redback.com> <46B21BEF.F72A2FB2@earthlink.net> <46B25A86.72B967B9@earthlink.net> <46B25C2C.79BF72A6@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <73CCA6E7-3114-4701-9D2B-2205BC459DA7@redback.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Acee Lindem Subject: Re: [OSPF] Removal of MOSPF from OSPFv3 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 19:22:29 -0400 To: Erblichs X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at redback.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a233275913d1d34f257cf9b4f3544846 Cc: OSPF List X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Mitchell, There was an attempt to make the base RFC historic but there was some pushback. However, the next time maybe we can do it. Note that I'm not deprecating MOSPF - just the partially specified MOSPF extensions in OSPFv3. Thanks, Acee On Aug 2, 2007, at 6:35 PM, Erblichs wrote: > Acee and group, > > Has the IETF removed / plan to remove the > MOSPF RFC? > > Mitchell Erblich > ---------------- > > Erblichs wrote: >> >> Yes Acee, I think we did, >> >> Are you 100% sure that NO-ONE generated a MOSPF >> implimentation OR used it for something ELSE OR >> if this bit is set is going to do WEIRD things. >> If not then WHY NOT be as careful as possible? >> >> I just think that this isn't the ONLY thing in the >> current or future that COULD/SHOULD be DEPRECATED. >> >> We could let a larger audience OUTSIDE of this >> mail alias be AWARE that this/these things are intended >> to be DEPRCATED/REMOVED. >> >> It has been around for years? >> Document it for 6 months, and set a clock, and MAYBE >> have implimentations check whether this bit is set? >> However, this last bit introduces the chicken and >> egg problem, That's why it needs to be a 1-time FYI >> msg if generated. >> >> Then get rid of it... >> >> Then the issue comes into play about routers no longer >> having their supftware updated who IGNORE this bit >> once it is re-used. >> >> Mitchell Erblich >> ------------------ >> >> >> >> Acee Lindem wrote: >>> >>> Mitchell, >>> We've discussed this before (at least once). Nobody (to the best of >>> my knowledge) has implemented MOSPF for OSPFv3. If they have, they >>> should come forward with a complete specification since there were >>> things missing from RFC 2740 (e.g., the definition of the group >>> LSAs). >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Acee >>> On Aug 2, 2007, at 2:01 PM, Erblichs wrote: >>> >>>> Acee Lindem and group, >>>> >>>> IMO, OSPF needs to have some form >>>> of formal DEPRECATION policy. >>>> >>>> WOULD it be more prudent to suggest first >>>> generating some type of DEPRECATED statement? >>>> >>>> This is common in OSs when a feature is about >>>> to be removed in one of the next releases. >>>> Doing so ONLY in the context of a mail alias >>>> limits the notification to a limited audience. >>>> >>>> IMO, that COULD be done by checking the bit >>>> in the hello and if set generating the msg >>>> one time per intf. >>>> >>>> In theory, the DEPRECATE statement would suggest >>>> sending a email to the ospf@ietf.org mailing list >>>> identifying the manufacturer and the box in >>>> question. >>>> >>>> This could be done for 1 release time of say >>>> 6 months to VERIFY that no-one is using that >>>> bit.. >>>> >>>> Currently I believe the v3 spec says to ignore >>>> a capability bit that is not understood. So, it >>>> would quietly ignore if that bit is set. >>>> >>>> IFF this suggestion would be followed, then the >>>> appropriate sections within the RFC get changed >>>> to state that this item is being DEPRECATED, and >>>> that anyone wishing to notify of any possible >>>> conflict should send a email to the ospf@ietf.org >>>> mail alias. >>>> >>>> THis would cover ALL users who MIGHT be using >>>> a non-conformant and/or legacy (not currently in >>>> business) router and people who read the ospf RFCs >>>> but do not subscibe to the mail alias. >>>> >>>> In the legal sense, I believe this would be equal >>>> to "Due Diligence". >>>> >>>> Mitchell Erblich >>>> -------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Acee Lindem wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Dan, >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 1, 2007, at 10:22 AM, Daniel Joyal wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> This also has an impact to the OSPFv3 MIB which has multicast- >>>>>> specific >>>>>> objects that would need to be removed. >>>>> >>>>> Yup. ospfv3MulticastExtensions and ospfv3IfMulticastForwarding >>>>> could >>>>> be removed. Anything else? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Acee >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -Dan >>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee@redback.com] >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:03 PM >>>>>>> To: OSPF List >>>>>>> Subject: [OSPF] Removal of MOSPF from OSPFv3 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> MOSPF has never really been fully specified in RFC 2740 and, >>>>>>> to the best of my knowledge, has never been implemented. >>>>>>> Hence, we again had some discussions about removing it from >>>>>>> the respin. I've made the changes but have not submitting >>>>>>> them. I've also attempted to reclaim the MC-bit in the prefix >>>>>>> options since this was never fully specified either and has >>>>>>> proved to be grossly inadequate to separate unicast and >>>>>>> multicast topologies. Please send comments ASAP. If I don't >>>>>>> hear any serious dissent I'll submit the update and we'll do >>>>>>> a quick re-WGLC. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Acee >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *************** >>>>>>> *** 82,89 **** >>>>>>> addition, option handling has been made more flexible. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All of OSPF for IPv4's optional capabilities, including >>>>>>> demand >>>>>>> ! circuit support, Not-So-Stubby Areas (NSSAs), and the >>>>>>> multicast >>>>>>> ! extensions to OSPF (MOSPF) are also supported in OSPF for >>>>>>> IPv6. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- 82,89 ---- >>>>>>> addition, option handling has been made more flexible. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All of OSPF for IPv4's optional capabilities, including >>>>>>> demand >>>>>>> ! circuit support and Not-So-Stubby Areas (NSSAs) are also >>>>>>> supported in >>>>>>> ! OSPF for IPv6. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *************** >>>>>>> *** 828,844 **** >>>>>>> LSAs, network-LSAs, inter-area-prefix-LSAs, >>>>>>> inter-area-router- LSAs, >>>>>>> and intra-area-prefix-LSAs. LSAs with unknown LS type, >>>>>>> U-bit set to >>>>>>> 1 (flood even when unrecognized) and area scope also >>>>>>> appear in the >>>>>>> ! area data structure. IPv6 routers implementing MOSPF add >>>>>>> group- >>>>>>> ! membership-LSAs to the area data structure. NSSA-LSAs are >>>>>>> also >>>>>>> ! included in an NSSA area's data structure. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 >>>>>>> [Page 15] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>>>>> May >>>>>>> 2007 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3.1.2. The Interface Data structure >>>>>>> --- 828,844 ---- >>>>>>> LSAs, network-LSAs, inter-area-prefix-LSAs, >>>>>>> inter-area-router- LSAs, >>>>>>> and intra-area-prefix-LSAs. LSAs with unknown LS type, >>>>>>> U-bit set to >>>>>>> 1 (flood even when unrecognized) and area scope also >>>>>>> appear in the >>>>>>> ! area data structure. NSSA-LSAs are also included in an >>>>>>> NSSA area's >>>>>>> ! data structure. >>>>>>> ! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 >>>>>>> [Page 15] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>>>>> August >>>>>>> 2007 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3.1.2. The Interface Data structure >>>>>>> *************** >>>>>>> *** 1086,1094 **** >>>>>>> o The Options field within Database Description >>>>>>> packets has moved >>>>>>> around, getting larger in the process. More options >>>>>>> bits are now >>>>>>> possible. Those that MUST be set correctly in Database >>>>>>> ! Description packets are: The MC-bit is set if and only >>>>>>> if the >>>>>>> ! router is forwarding multicast datagrams according to >>>>>>> the MOSPF >>>>>>> ! specification in [MOSPF], and the DC-bit is set if >>>>>>> and only >>>>>>> if the >>>>>>> router wishes to suppress the sending of Hellos over >>>>>>> the interface >>>>>>> (see [DEMAND]). Unrecognized bits in the Database >>>>>>> Description >>>>>>> packet's Options field should be cleared. >>>>>>> --- 1086,1092 ---- >>>>>>> o The Options field within Database Description >>>>>>> packets has moved >>>>>>> around, getting larger in the process. More options >>>>>>> bits are now >>>>>>> possible. Those that MUST be set correctly in Database >>>>>>> ! Description packets are: The DC-bit is set if and only >>>>>>> if the >>>>>>> router wishes to suppress the sending of Hellos over >>>>>>> the interface >>>>>>> (see [DEMAND]). Unrecognized bits in the Database >>>>>>> Description >>>>>>> packet's Options field should be cleared. >>>>>>> *************** >>>>>>> *** 1577,1591 **** >>>>>>> should be set unless the router will not participate in >>>>>>> transit >>>>>>> IPv6 >>>>>>> routing. The E-bit should be clear if and only if the >>>>>>> attached area >>>>>>> is an OSPF stub or OSPF NSSA area. The E-bit should >>>>>>> always be set in >>>>>>> ! AS scoped LSAs. The MC-bit should be set if and only if >>>>>>> the router >>>>>>> ! is running MOSPF and the LSA is to be used in the multicast >>>>>>> SPF >>>>>>> ! computation (see [MOSPF]). The N-bit should be set if >>>>>>> and only if >>>>>>> ! the attached area is an OSPF NSSA area. The R-bit should >>>>>>> be set >>>>>>> ! unless the router will not participate in any transit >>>>>>> routing. The >>>>>>> ! DC-bit should be set if and only if the router can >>>>>>> correctly >>>>>>> process >>>>>>> ! the DoNotAge bit when it appears in the LS age field of >>>>>>> LSAs >>>>>>> (see >>>>>>> ! [DEMAND]). All unrecognized bits in the Options field >>>>>>> should be >>>>>>> ! cleared. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The V6-bit and R-bit are only examined in Router-LSAs >>>>>>> during the SPF >>>>>>> computation. In other LSA types containing options, >>>>>>> they are set for >>>>>>> --- 1577,1588 ---- >>>>>>> should be set unless the router will not participate in >>>>>>> transit >>>>>>> IPv6 >>>>>>> routing. The E-bit should be clear if and only if the >>>>>>> attached area >>>>>>> is an OSPF stub or OSPF NSSA area. The E-bit should >>>>>>> always be set in >>>>>>> ! AS scoped LSAs. The N-bit should be set if and only if the >>>>>>> attached >>>>>>> ! area is an OSPF NSSA area. The R-bit should be set >>>>>>> unless the >>>>>>> router >>>>>>> ! will not participate in any transit routing. The DC-bit >>>>>>> should be >>>>>>> ! set if and only if the router can correctly process the >>>>>>> DoNotAge >>>>>>> bit >>>>>>> ! when it appears in the LS age field of LSAs (see >>>>>>> [DEMAND]). All >>>>>>> ! unrecognized bits in the Options field should be cleared. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The V6-bit and R-bit are only examined in Router-LSAs >>>>>>> during the SPF >>>>>>> computation. In other LSA types containing options, >>>>>>> they are set for >>>>>>> *************** >>>>>>> *** 1603,1610 **** >>>>>>> State ID fields. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To the left of the Options field, the router capability >>>>>>> bits V, E, >>>>>>> ! and B should be set according to Section 12.4.1 of >>>>>>> [OSPFV2]. Bit W >>>>>>> ! should be coded according to [MOSPF]. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Each of the router's interfaces to the area are then >>>>>>> described by >>>>>>> appending "link descriptions" to the router-LSA. Each >>>>>>> link >>>>>>> --- 1600,1606 ---- >>>>>>> State ID fields. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To the left of the Options field, the router capability >>>>>>> bits V, E, >>>>>>> ! and B should be set according to Section 12.4.1 of >>>>>>> [OSPFV2]. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Each of the router's interfaces to the area are then >>>>>>> described by >>>>>>> appending "link descriptions" to the router-LSA. Each >>>>>>> link >>>>>>> *************** >>>>>>> *** 1732,1748 **** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 >>>>>>> [Page 31] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>>>>> May >>>>>>> 2007 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Designated Router. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> o The Options field in the network-LSA is set to the >>>>>>> logical OR of >>>>>>> the Options fields contained within the link's >>>>>>> associated link- >>>>>>> ! LSAs. In this way, the network link exhibits a >>>>>>> capability >>>>>>> when at >>>>>>> ! least one of the link's routers requests that the >>>>>>> capability be >>>>>>> advertised. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As an example, assuming that Router RT4 has been >>>>>>> elected Designated >>>>>>> --- 1732,1749 ---- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 >>>>>>> [Page 31] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>>>>> August >>>>>>> 2007 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Designated Router. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> o The Options field in the network-LSA is set to the >>>>>>> logical OR of >>>>>>> the Options fields contained within the link's >>>>>>> associated link- >>>>>>> ! LSAs corresponding to fully adjacent neighbors. In >>>>>>> this way, >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> ! network link exhibits a capability when at least one >>>>>>> fully >>>>>>> ! adjacent neighbor on the link requests that the >>>>>>> capability be >>>>>>> advertised. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As an example, assuming that Router RT4 has been >>>>>>> elected Designated >>>>>>> *************** >>>>>>> *** 1787,1801 **** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! >>>>>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 >>>>>>> [Page 32] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>>>>> May >>>>>>> 2007 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be >>>>>>> clear. The >>>>>>> coding >>>>>>> ! of the MC-bit depends upon whether, and if so how, >>>>>>> MOSPF is >>>>>>> ! operating in the routing domain (see [MOSPF]). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> o Link-local addresses MUST never be advertised in inter- >>>>>>> area- >>>>>>> prefix-LSAs. >>>>>>> --- 1788,1799 ---- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 >>>>>>> [Page 32] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>>>>> August >>>>>>> 2007 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> o Link-local addresses MUST never be advertised in inter- >>>>>>> area- >>>>>>> prefix-LSAs. >>>>>>> *************** >>>>>>> *** 1894,1916 **** >>>>>>> Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body. >>>>>>> Network Mask >>>>>>> is no longer specified. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be >>>>>>> clear. The >>>>>>> coding >>>>>>> ! of the MC-bit depends upon whether, and if so how, >>>>>>> MOSPF is >>>>>>> ! operating in the routing domain (see [MOSPF]). >>>>>>> ! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 >>>>>>> [Page 34] >>>>>>> - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>>>>> May >>>>>>> 2007 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! o Link-local addresses can never be advertised in AS- >>>>>>> external- >>>>>>> LSAs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - o The forwarding address is present in the >>>>>>> AS-external-LSA if and >>>>>>> - only if the AS-external-LSA's bit F is set. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> o The external route tag is present in the >>>>>>> AS-external-LSA if and >>>>>>> only if the AS-external-LSA's bit T is set. >>>>>>> --- 1892,1911 ---- >>>>>>> Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body. >>>>>>> Network Mask >>>>>>> is no longer specified. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> + o Link-local addresses can never be advertised in AS- >>>>>>> external- >>>>>>> LSAs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> + o The forwarding address is present in the >>>>>>> AS-external-LSA if and >>>>>>> + only if the AS-external-LSA's bit F is set. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 >>>>>>> [Page 34] >>>>>>> ! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>>>>> August >>>>>>> 2007 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> o The external route tag is present in the >>>>>>> AS-external-LSA if and >>>>>>> only if the AS-external-LSA's bit T is set. >>>>>>> *************** >>>>>>> *** 1982,1990 **** >>>>>>> Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body. >>>>>>> Network >>>>>>> Mask >>>>>>> is no longer specified. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be >>>>>>> clear. The >>>>>>> coding >>>>>>> ! of the MC-bit depends upon whether, and if so how, >>>>>>> MOSPF is >>>>>>> ! operating in the routing domain (see [MOSPF]). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> o Link-local addresses can never be advertised in NSSA- >>>>>>> LSAs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- 1971,1977 ---- >>>>>>> Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body. >>>>>>> Network >>>>>>> Mask >>>>>>> is no longer specified. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> o Link-local addresses can never be advertised in NSSA- >>>>>>> LSAs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *************** >>>>>>> *** 2450,2475 **** >>>>>>> area-prefix-LSAs (0x2003), inter-area-router-LSAs >>>>>>> (0x2004), >>>>>>> NSSA-LSAs >>>>>>> (0x2007), AS-external-LSAs (0x4005), link-LSAs >>>>>>> (0x0008), and >>>>>>> Intra- >>>>>>> Area-Prefix-LSAs (0x2009) are assumed to be understood >>>>>>> by all >>>>>>> ! routers. However, not all LS types are understood by >>>>>>> all routers, >>>>>>> ! For example, the group-membership-LSA (0x2006) is >>>>>>> understood >>>>>>> only by >>>>>>> ! MOSPF routers and since it has its U-bit set to 0. This LS >>>>>>> Type >>>>>>> ! should only be flooded to a non-MOSPF neighbor >>>>>>> (determined by >>>>>>> ! examining the MC-bit in the neighbor's Database Description >>>>>>> packets' >>>>>>> ! Options field) when the neighbor is Designated Router or >>>>>>> Backup >>>>>>> ! Designated Router for the attached link. >>>>>>> ! >>>>>>> ! The previous paragraph solves a problem for IPv4 OSPF >>>>>>> extensions >>>>>>> such >>>>>>> ! >>>>>>> ! >>>>>>> ! >>>>>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 >>>>>>> [Page 44] >>>>>>> ! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>>>>> May >>>>>>> 2007 >>>>>>> ! >>>>>>> ! >>>>>>> ! as MOSPF, which require that the Designated Router >>>>>>> support the >>>>>>> ! extension in order to have the new LSA types flooded across >>>>>>> broadcast >>>>>>> ! and NBMA networks (see Section 10.2 of [MOSPF]). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3.5.3. Installing LSAs in the database >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- 2422,2436 ---- >>>>>>> area-prefix-LSAs (0x2003), inter-area-router-LSAs >>>>>>> (0x2004), >>>>>>> NSSA-LSAs >>>>>>> (0x2007), AS-external-LSAs (0x4005), link-LSAs >>>>>>> (0x0008), and >>>>>>> Intra- >>>>>>> Area-Prefix-LSAs (0x2009) are assumed to be understood >>>>>>> by all >>>>>>> ! routers. However, all LS types MAY not be understood by >>>>>>> all >>>>>>> routers. >>>>>>> ! For example, a new LSA type with its U-bit set to 0 MAY >>>>>>> only be >>>>>>> ! understood by a subset of routers. This new LS Type >>>>>>> should only be >>>>>>> ! flooded to an OSPF neighbor that understands the LS type >>>>>>> or when >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> ! neighbor that doesn't understand it is Designated Router >>>>>>> or Backup >>>>>>> ! Designated Router for the attached link. This allows >>>>>>> the LSA to be >>>>>>> ! flooded on the local link even if either the router elected >>>>>>> ! Designated Router or Backup Designated Router doesn't >>>>>>> understand >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> ! LS type. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3.5.3. Installing LSAs in the database >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *************** >>>>>>> *** 3395,3406 **** >>>>>>> neighbor relationships from forming (e.g., the E-bit >>>>>>> below); these >>>>>>> mismatches are discovered through the sending and >>>>>>> receiving of >>>>>>> Hello >>>>>>> packets. Some option mismatches prevent particular LSA >>>>>>> types from >>>>>>> ! being flooded across adjacencies (e.g., the MC-bit >>>>>>> below); these >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> ! discovered through the sending and receiving of Database >>>>>>> Description >>>>>>> ! packets. Some option mismatches prevent routers from being >>>>>>> included >>>>>>> ! in one or more of the various routing calculations >>>>>>> because of their >>>>>>> ! reduced functionality (again, the MC-bit is an example); >>>>>>> these >>>>>>> ! mismatches are discovered by examining LSAs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Seven bits of the OSPF Options field have been assigned. >>>>>>> Each >>>>>>> bit is >>>>>>> described briefly below. Routers should reset (i.e., >>>>>>> clear) >>>>>>> --- 3395,3405 ---- >>>>>>> neighbor relationships from forming (e.g., the E-bit >>>>>>> below); these >>>>>>> mismatches are discovered through the sending and >>>>>>> receiving of >>>>>>> Hello >>>>>>> packets. Some option mismatches prevent particular LSA >>>>>>> types from >>>>>>> ! being flooded across adjacencies these are discovered >>>>>>> through >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> ! sending and receiving of Database Description packets. >>>>>>> Some option >>>>>>> ! mismatches prevent routers from being included in one or >>>>>>> more of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> ! various routing calculations because of their reduced >>>>>>> functionality; >>>>>>> ! these mismatches are discovered by examining LSAs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Seven bits of the OSPF Options field have been assigned. >>>>>>> Each >>>>>>> bit is >>>>>>> described briefly below. Routers should reset (i.e., >>>>>>> clear) >>>>>>> *************** >>>>>>> *** 3414,3429 **** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 >>>>>>> [Page 61] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>>>>> May >>>>>>> 2007 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1 2 >>>>>>> ! 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 >>>>>>> ! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+--+-- >>>>>>> +--+ >>>>>>> ! | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |*|*|DC|R|N|MC| E| >>>>>>> V6| >>>>>>> ! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+--+-- >>>>>>> +--+ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Options field >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- 3413,3429 ---- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! >>>>>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 >>>>>>> [Page 61] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>>>>> August >>>>>>> 2007 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1 2 >>>>>>> ! 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 >>>>>>> ! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+--+ >>>>>>> ! | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |*|*|DC|R|N|x| E|V6| >>>>>>> ! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+--+ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Options field >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *************** >>>>>>> *** 3438,3446 **** >>>>>>> This bit describes the way AS-external-LSAs are >>>>>>> flooded, as >>>>>>> described in Sections 3.6, 9.5, 10.8, and 12.1.2 of >>>>>>> [OSPFV2]. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! MC-bit >>>>>>> ! This bit describes whether IP multicast datagrams are >>>>>>> forwarded >>>>>>> ! according to the specifications in [MOSPF]. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> N-bit >>>>>>> This bit indicates whether or not the router is >>>>>>> attached to an >>>>>>> --- 3438,3447 ---- >>>>>>> This bit describes the way AS-external-LSAs are >>>>>>> flooded, as >>>>>>> described in Sections 3.6, 9.5, 10.8, and 12.1.2 of >>>>>>> [OSPFV2]. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! x-Bit >>>>>>> ! This bit was previously used by MOSPF (see [MOSPF]) >>>>>>> which has >>>>>>> been >>>>>>> ! deprecated for OSPFv3. It should be set to 0 and >>>>>>> ignored >>>>>>> upon >>>>>>> ! reception. It may be reused in the future. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> N-bit >>>>>>> This bit indicates whether or not the router is >>>>>>> attached to an >>>>>>> *************** >>>>>>> *** 4021,4038 **** >>>>>>> cases or are to be marked as not readvertisable in others. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 >>>>>>> ! +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+ >>>>>>> ! | | | |DN| P|MC|LA|NU| >>>>>>> ! +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 >>>>>>> [Page 72] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>>>>> May >>>>>>> 2007 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Prefix Options field >>>>>>> --- 4021,4038 ---- >>>>>>> cases or are to be marked as not readvertisable in others. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 >>>>>>> ! +--+--+--+--+--+-+--+--+ >>>>>>> ! | | | |DN| P|x|LA|NU| >>>>>>> ! +--+--+--+--+--+-+--+--+ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 >>>>>>> [Page 72] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>>>>> August >>>>>>> 2007 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Prefix Options field >>>>>>> *************** >>>>>>> *** 4050,4059 **** >>>>>>> Section 3.4.3.9. An implementation MAY also set the >>>>>>> LA-bit for >>>>>>> prefixes advertised with a host PrefixLength (128). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! MC-bit >>>>>>> ! The "multicast" capability bit. If set, the prefix >>>>>>> should be >>>>>>> ! included in IPv6 multicast routing calculations. If >>>>>>> not set, it >>>>>>> ! should be excluded. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> P-bit >>>>>>> The "propagate" bit. Set on NSSA area prefixes that >>>>>>> should be >>>>>>> --- 4050,4060 ---- >>>>>>> Section 3.4.3.9. An implementation MAY also set the >>>>>>> LA-bit for >>>>>>> prefixes advertised with a host PrefixLength (128). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! x-bit >>>>>>> ! This bit was previously defined as a "multicast" >>>>>>> capability bit. >>>>>>> ! However, the use was never adequately specified and >>>>>>> it is being >>>>>>> ! deprecated. It is set to 0 and ignored upon >>>>>>> reception. It >>>>>>> may be >>>>>>> ! reused in the future. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> P-bit >>>>>>> The "propagate" bit. Set on NSSA area prefixes that >>>>>>> should be >>>>>>> *************** >>>>>>> *** 4193,4209 **** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The LSA function codes are defined as follows. The >>>>>>> origination >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> processing of these LSA function codes are defined >>>>>>> elsewhere in >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> ! document, except for the group-membership-LSA (see >>>>>>> [MOSPF]) and the >>>>>>> ! NSSA-LSA (see [NSSA]). As shown below, each LSA >>>>>>> function code also >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 >>>>>>> [Page 75] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>>>>> May >>>>>>> 2007 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! implies a specific setting for the U, S1, and S2 bits. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> LSA function code LS Type Description >>>>>>> --- 4193,4210 ---- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The LSA function codes are defined as follows. The >>>>>>> origination >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> processing of these LSA function codes are defined >>>>>>> elsewhere in >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> ! document, except for the NSSA-LSA (see [NSSA]) and >>>>>>> 0x2006 which was >>>>>>> ! previously used by MOSPF (see [MOSPF]). MOSPF has been >>>>>>> deprecated >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 >>>>>>> [Page 75] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>>>>> August >>>>>>> 2007 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ! for OSPFv3. As shown below, each LSA function code also >>>>>>> implies a >>>>>>> ! specific setting for the U, S1, and S2 bits. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> LSA function code LS Type Description >>>>>>> *************** >>>>>>> *** 4213,4219 **** >>>>>>> 3 0x2003 Inter-Area- >>>>>>> Prefix-LSA >>>>>>> 4 0x2004 Inter-Area- >>>>>>> Router-LSA >>>>>>> 5 0x4005 AS-external-LSA >>>>>>> ! 6 0x2006 Group-membership-LSA >>>>>>> 7 0x2007 NSSA-LSA >>>>>>> 8 0x0008 Link-LSA >>>>>>> 9 0x2009 Intra-Area- >>>>>>> Prefix-LSA >>>>>>> --- 4214,4220 ---- >>>>>>> 3 0x2003 Inter-Area- >>>>>>> Prefix-LSA >>>>>>> 4 0x2004 Inter-Area- >>>>>>> Router-LSA >>>>>>> 5 0x4005 AS-external-LSA >>>>>>> ! _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Thu Aug 02 19:43:00 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGkJk-0005ux-IW; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 19:42:56 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGkJi-0005ur-NB for ospf@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 19:42:54 -0400 Received: from prattle.redback.com ([155.53.12.9]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGkJg-0005jj-Ul for ospf@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2007 19:42:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by prattle.redback.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70D4B39C99B; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 16:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prattle.redback.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (prattle [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10110-08; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 16:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [JC??O??IPv6???1] (login005.redback.com [155.53.12.64]) by prattle.redback.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA2E39C99A; Thu, 2 Aug 2007 16:42:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <46B25A86.72B967B9@earthlink.net> References: <66A3A59B-F3DA-437C-9107-67C36A4B93F7@redback.com> <4B7DAC3FEFD35D4A96BDD011699050140A4245F9@zrtphxm1.corp.nortel.com> <93E269EB-87EB-4B6F-B212-B3E15C049B55@redback.com> <46B21BEF.F72A2FB2@earthlink.net> <46B25A86.72B967B9@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Acee Lindem Subject: Re: [OSPF] Removal of MOSPF from OSPFv3 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 19:41:34 -0400 To: Erblichs X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at redback.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 82399e64b40cc35c75057a238056f806 Cc: OSPF List X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Mitchell, On Aug 2, 2007, at 6:28 PM, Erblichs wrote: > Yes Acee, I think we did, > > Are you 100% sure that NO-ONE generated a MOSPF > implimentation OR used it for something ELSE OR > if this bit is set is going to do WEIRD things. > If not then WHY NOT be as careful as possible? Again, this is MOSPF for OSPFv3. > > I just think that this isn't the ONLY thing in the > current or future that COULD/SHOULD be DEPRECATED. > > We could let a larger audience OUTSIDE of this > mail alias be AWARE that this/these things are intended > to be DEPRCATED/REMOVED. > > It has been around for years? > Document it for 6 months, and set a clock, and MAYBE > have implimentations check whether this bit is set? > However, this last bit introduces the chicken and > egg problem, That's why it needs to be a 1-time FYI > msg if generated. > > Then get rid of it... We'll re-WG last call the updated OSPFv3 document without the MOSPF for OSPFv3 extensions. Given that we've discussed this a number of times, this should be ample time. Here is a link to the initial E- mail in one such discussion: http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ospf/current/msg03798.html This was more than 18 months ago. You were one of the main dissenters at that time as well but, IMHO, there were no substantive objections. > > Then the issue comes into play about routers no longer > having their supftware updated who IGNORE this bit > once it is re-used. Unless they've implemented MOSPF for OSPFv3, they should not be using any of the deprecated bits. If you know of any implementations, please let us know. Thanks, Acee > > Mitchell Erblich > ------------------ > > > > Acee Lindem wrote: >> >> Mitchell, >> We've discussed this before (at least once). Nobody (to the best of >> my knowledge) has implemented MOSPF for OSPFv3. If they have, they >> should come forward with a complete specification since there were >> things missing from RFC 2740 (e.g., the definition of the group >> LSAs). >> >> Thanks, >> Acee >> On Aug 2, 2007, at 2:01 PM, Erblichs wrote: >> >>> Acee Lindem and group, >>> >>> IMO, OSPF needs to have some form >>> of formal DEPRECATION policy. >>> >>> WOULD it be more prudent to suggest first >>> generating some type of DEPRECATED statement? >>> >>> This is common in OSs when a feature is about >>> to be removed in one of the next releases. >>> Doing so ONLY in the context of a mail alias >>> limits the notification to a limited audience. >>> >>> IMO, that COULD be done by checking the bit >>> in the hello and if set generating the msg >>> one time per intf. >>> >>> In theory, the DEPRECATE statement would suggest >>> sending a email to the ospf@ietf.org mailing list >>> identifying the manufacturer and the box in >>> question. >>> >>> This could be done for 1 release time of say >>> 6 months to VERIFY that no-one is using that >>> bit.. >>> >>> Currently I believe the v3 spec says to ignore >>> a capability bit that is not understood. So, it >>> would quietly ignore if that bit is set. >>> >>> IFF this suggestion would be followed, then the >>> appropriate sections within the RFC get changed >>> to state that this item is being DEPRECATED, and >>> that anyone wishing to notify of any possible >>> conflict should send a email to the ospf@ietf.org >>> mail alias. >>> >>> THis would cover ALL users who MIGHT be using >>> a non-conformant and/or legacy (not currently in >>> business) router and people who read the ospf RFCs >>> but do not subscibe to the mail alias. >>> >>> In the legal sense, I believe this would be equal >>> to "Due Diligence". >>> >>> Mitchell Erblich >>> -------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Acee Lindem wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Dan, >>>> >>>> On Aug 1, 2007, at 10:22 AM, Daniel Joyal wrote: >>>> >>>>> This also has an impact to the OSPFv3 MIB which has multicast- >>>>> specific >>>>> objects that would need to be removed. >>>> >>>> Yup. ospfv3MulticastExtensions and ospfv3IfMulticastForwarding >>>> could >>>> be removed. Anything else? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Acee >>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Dan >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee@redback.com] >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:03 PM >>>>>> To: OSPF List >>>>>> Subject: [OSPF] Removal of MOSPF from OSPFv3 >>>>>> >>>>>> MOSPF has never really been fully specified in RFC 2740 and, >>>>>> to the best of my knowledge, has never been implemented. >>>>>> Hence, we again had some discussions about removing it from >>>>>> the respin. I've made the changes but have not submitting >>>>>> them. I've also attempted to reclaim the MC-bit in the prefix >>>>>> options since this was never fully specified either and has >>>>>> proved to be grossly inadequate to separate unicast and >>>>>> multicast topologies. Please send comments ASAP. If I don't >>>>>> hear any serious dissent I'll submit the update and we'll do >>>>>> a quick re-WGLC. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Acee >>>>>> >>>>>> *************** >>>>>> *** 82,89 **** >>>>>> addition, option handling has been made more flexible. >>>>>> >>>>>> All of OSPF for IPv4's optional capabilities, including >>>>>> demand >>>>>> ! circuit support, Not-So-Stubby Areas (NSSAs), and the >>>>>> multicast >>>>>> ! extensions to OSPF (MOSPF) are also supported in OSPF for >>>>>> IPv6. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --- 82,89 ---- >>>>>> addition, option handling has been made more flexible. >>>>>> >>>>>> All of OSPF for IPv4's optional capabilities, including >>>>>> demand >>>>>> ! circuit support and Not-So-Stubby Areas (NSSAs) are also >>>>>> supported in >>>>>> ! OSPF for IPv6. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *************** >>>>>> *** 828,844 **** >>>>>> LSAs, network-LSAs, inter-area-prefix-LSAs, >>>>>> inter-area-router- LSAs, >>>>>> and intra-area-prefix-LSAs. LSAs with unknown LS type, >>>>>> U-bit set to >>>>>> 1 (flood even when unrecognized) and area scope also >>>>>> appear in the >>>>>> ! area data structure. IPv6 routers implementing MOSPF add >>>>>> group- >>>>>> ! membership-LSAs to the area data structure. NSSA-LSAs are >>>>>> also >>>>>> ! included in an NSSA area's data structure. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 >>>>>> [Page 15] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>>>> May >>>>>> 2007 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 3.1.2. The Interface Data structure >>>>>> --- 828,844 ---- >>>>>> LSAs, network-LSAs, inter-area-prefix-LSAs, >>>>>> inter-area-router- LSAs, >>>>>> and intra-area-prefix-LSAs. LSAs with unknown LS type, >>>>>> U-bit set to >>>>>> 1 (flood even when unrecognized) and area scope also >>>>>> appear in the >>>>>> ! area data structure. NSSA-LSAs are also included in an >>>>>> NSSA area's >>>>>> ! data structure. >>>>>> ! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 >>>>>> [Page 15] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>>>> August >>>>>> 2007 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 3.1.2. The Interface Data structure >>>>>> *************** >>>>>> *** 1086,1094 **** >>>>>> o The Options field within Database Description >>>>>> packets has moved >>>>>> around, getting larger in the process. More options >>>>>> bits are now >>>>>> possible. Those that MUST be set correctly in Database >>>>>> ! Description packets are: The MC-bit is set if and only >>>>>> if the >>>>>> ! router is forwarding multicast datagrams according to >>>>>> the MOSPF >>>>>> ! specification in [MOSPF], and the DC-bit is set if and >>>>>> only >>>>>> if the >>>>>> router wishes to suppress the sending of Hellos over >>>>>> the interface >>>>>> (see [DEMAND]). Unrecognized bits in the Database >>>>>> Description >>>>>> packet's Options field should be cleared. >>>>>> --- 1086,1092 ---- >>>>>> o The Options field within Database Description >>>>>> packets has moved >>>>>> around, getting larger in the process. More options >>>>>> bits are now >>>>>> possible. Those that MUST be set correctly in Database >>>>>> ! Description packets are: The DC-bit is set if and only >>>>>> if the >>>>>> router wishes to suppress the sending of Hellos over >>>>>> the interface >>>>>> (see [DEMAND]). Unrecognized bits in the Database >>>>>> Description >>>>>> packet's Options field should be cleared. >>>>>> *************** >>>>>> *** 1577,1591 **** >>>>>> should be set unless the router will not participate in >>>>>> transit >>>>>> IPv6 >>>>>> routing. The E-bit should be clear if and only if the >>>>>> attached area >>>>>> is an OSPF stub or OSPF NSSA area. The E-bit should >>>>>> always be set in >>>>>> ! AS scoped LSAs. The MC-bit should be set if and only if >>>>>> the router >>>>>> ! is running MOSPF and the LSA is to be used in the multicast >>>>>> SPF >>>>>> ! computation (see [MOSPF]). The N-bit should be set if >>>>>> and only if >>>>>> ! the attached area is an OSPF NSSA area. The R-bit should >>>>>> be set >>>>>> ! unless the router will not participate in any transit >>>>>> routing. The >>>>>> ! DC-bit should be set if and only if the router can correctly >>>>>> process >>>>>> ! the DoNotAge bit when it appears in the LS age field of LSAs >>>>>> (see >>>>>> ! [DEMAND]). All unrecognized bits in the Options field >>>>>> should be >>>>>> ! cleared. >>>>>> >>>>>> The V6-bit and R-bit are only examined in Router-LSAs >>>>>> during the SPF >>>>>> computation. In other LSA types containing options, >>>>>> they are set for >>>>>> --- 1577,1588 ---- >>>>>> should be set unless the router will not participate in >>>>>> transit >>>>>> IPv6 >>>>>> routing. The E-bit should be clear if and only if the >>>>>> attached area >>>>>> is an OSPF stub or OSPF NSSA area. The E-bit should >>>>>> always be set in >>>>>> ! AS scoped LSAs. The N-bit should be set if and only if the >>>>>> attached >>>>>> ! area is an OSPF NSSA area. The R-bit should be set >>>>>> unless the >>>>>> router >>>>>> ! will not participate in any transit routing. The DC-bit >>>>>> should be >>>>>> ! set if and only if the router can correctly process the >>>>>> DoNotAge >>>>>> bit >>>>>> ! when it appears in the LS age field of LSAs (see >>>>>> [DEMAND]). All >>>>>> ! unrecognized bits in the Options field should be cleared. >>>>>> >>>>>> The V6-bit and R-bit are only examined in Router-LSAs >>>>>> during the SPF >>>>>> computation. In other LSA types containing options, >>>>>> they are set for >>>>>> *************** >>>>>> *** 1603,1610 **** >>>>>> State ID fields. >>>>>> >>>>>> To the left of the Options field, the router capability >>>>>> bits V, E, >>>>>> ! and B should be set according to Section 12.4.1 of >>>>>> [OSPFV2]. Bit W >>>>>> ! should be coded according to [MOSPF]. >>>>>> >>>>>> Each of the router's interfaces to the area are then >>>>>> described by >>>>>> appending "link descriptions" to the router-LSA. Each link >>>>>> --- 1600,1606 ---- >>>>>> State ID fields. >>>>>> >>>>>> To the left of the Options field, the router capability >>>>>> bits V, E, >>>>>> ! and B should be set according to Section 12.4.1 of [OSPFV2]. >>>>>> >>>>>> Each of the router's interfaces to the area are then >>>>>> described by >>>>>> appending "link descriptions" to the router-LSA. Each link >>>>>> *************** >>>>>> *** 1732,1748 **** >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 >>>>>> [Page 31] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>>>> May >>>>>> 2007 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Designated Router. >>>>>> >>>>>> o The Options field in the network-LSA is set to the >>>>>> logical OR of >>>>>> the Options fields contained within the link's >>>>>> associated link- >>>>>> ! LSAs. In this way, the network link exhibits a >>>>>> capability >>>>>> when at >>>>>> ! least one of the link's routers requests that the >>>>>> capability be >>>>>> advertised. >>>>>> >>>>>> As an example, assuming that Router RT4 has been >>>>>> elected Designated >>>>>> --- 1732,1749 ---- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 >>>>>> [Page 31] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>>>> August >>>>>> 2007 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Designated Router. >>>>>> >>>>>> o The Options field in the network-LSA is set to the >>>>>> logical OR of >>>>>> the Options fields contained within the link's >>>>>> associated link- >>>>>> ! LSAs corresponding to fully adjacent neighbors. In >>>>>> this way, >>>>>> the >>>>>> ! network link exhibits a capability when at least one >>>>>> fully >>>>>> ! adjacent neighbor on the link requests that the >>>>>> capability be >>>>>> advertised. >>>>>> >>>>>> As an example, assuming that Router RT4 has been >>>>>> elected Designated >>>>>> *************** >>>>>> *** 1787,1801 **** >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ! >>>>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 >>>>>> [Page 32] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>>>> May >>>>>> 2007 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be >>>>>> clear. The >>>>>> coding >>>>>> ! of the MC-bit depends upon whether, and if so how, >>>>>> MOSPF is >>>>>> ! operating in the routing domain (see [MOSPF]). >>>>>> >>>>>> o Link-local addresses MUST never be advertised in inter- >>>>>> area- >>>>>> prefix-LSAs. >>>>>> --- 1788,1799 ---- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 >>>>>> [Page 32] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>>>> August >>>>>> 2007 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. >>>>>> >>>>>> o Link-local addresses MUST never be advertised in inter- >>>>>> area- >>>>>> prefix-LSAs. >>>>>> *************** >>>>>> *** 1894,1916 **** >>>>>> Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body. >>>>>> Network Mask >>>>>> is no longer specified. >>>>>> >>>>>> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be >>>>>> clear. The >>>>>> coding >>>>>> ! of the MC-bit depends upon whether, and if so how, >>>>>> MOSPF is >>>>>> ! operating in the routing domain (see [MOSPF]). >>>>>> ! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> - Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 >>>>>> [Page 34] >>>>>> - >>>>>> >>>>>> - Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>>>> May >>>>>> 2007 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ! o Link-local addresses can never be advertised in AS- >>>>>> external- >>>>>> LSAs. >>>>>> >>>>>> - o The forwarding address is present in the >>>>>> AS-external-LSA if and >>>>>> - only if the AS-external-LSA's bit F is set. >>>>>> >>>>>> o The external route tag is present in the >>>>>> AS-external-LSA if and >>>>>> only if the AS-external-LSA's bit T is set. >>>>>> --- 1892,1911 ---- >>>>>> Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body. >>>>>> Network Mask >>>>>> is no longer specified. >>>>>> >>>>>> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. >>>>>> >>>>>> + o Link-local addresses can never be advertised in AS- >>>>>> external- >>>>>> LSAs. >>>>>> >>>>>> + o The forwarding address is present in the >>>>>> AS-external-LSA if and >>>>>> + only if the AS-external-LSA's bit F is set. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 >>>>>> [Page 34] >>>>>> ! >>>>>> >>>>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>>>> August >>>>>> 2007 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> o The external route tag is present in the >>>>>> AS-external-LSA if and >>>>>> only if the AS-external-LSA's bit T is set. >>>>>> *************** >>>>>> *** 1982,1990 **** >>>>>> Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body. >>>>>> Network >>>>>> Mask >>>>>> is no longer specified. >>>>>> >>>>>> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be >>>>>> clear. The >>>>>> coding >>>>>> ! of the MC-bit depends upon whether, and if so how, >>>>>> MOSPF is >>>>>> ! operating in the routing domain (see [MOSPF]). >>>>>> >>>>>> o Link-local addresses can never be advertised in NSSA- >>>>>> LSAs. >>>>>> >>>>>> --- 1971,1977 ---- >>>>>> Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body. >>>>>> Network >>>>>> Mask >>>>>> is no longer specified. >>>>>> >>>>>> ! o The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear. >>>>>> >>>>>> o Link-local addresses can never be advertised in NSSA- >>>>>> LSAs. >>>>>> >>>>>> *************** >>>>>> *** 2450,2475 **** >>>>>> area-prefix-LSAs (0x2003), inter-area-router-LSAs (0x2004), >>>>>> NSSA-LSAs >>>>>> (0x2007), AS-external-LSAs (0x4005), link-LSAs (0x0008), >>>>>> and >>>>>> Intra- >>>>>> Area-Prefix-LSAs (0x2009) are assumed to be understood >>>>>> by all >>>>>> ! routers. However, not all LS types are understood by >>>>>> all routers, >>>>>> ! For example, the group-membership-LSA (0x2006) is understood >>>>>> only by >>>>>> ! MOSPF routers and since it has its U-bit set to 0. This LS >>>>>> Type >>>>>> ! should only be flooded to a non-MOSPF neighbor >>>>>> (determined by >>>>>> ! examining the MC-bit in the neighbor's Database Description >>>>>> packets' >>>>>> ! Options field) when the neighbor is Designated Router or >>>>>> Backup >>>>>> ! Designated Router for the attached link. >>>>>> ! >>>>>> ! The previous paragraph solves a problem for IPv4 OSPF >>>>>> extensions >>>>>> such >>>>>> ! >>>>>> ! >>>>>> ! >>>>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 >>>>>> [Page 44] >>>>>> ! >>>>>> >>>>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>>>> May >>>>>> 2007 >>>>>> ! >>>>>> ! >>>>>> ! as MOSPF, which require that the Designated Router >>>>>> support the >>>>>> ! extension in order to have the new LSA types flooded across >>>>>> broadcast >>>>>> ! and NBMA networks (see Section 10.2 of [MOSPF]). >>>>>> >>>>>> 3.5.3. Installing LSAs in the database >>>>>> >>>>>> --- 2422,2436 ---- >>>>>> area-prefix-LSAs (0x2003), inter-area-router-LSAs (0x2004), >>>>>> NSSA-LSAs >>>>>> (0x2007), AS-external-LSAs (0x4005), link-LSAs (0x0008), >>>>>> and >>>>>> Intra- >>>>>> Area-Prefix-LSAs (0x2009) are assumed to be understood >>>>>> by all >>>>>> ! routers. However, all LS types MAY not be understood by all >>>>>> routers. >>>>>> ! For example, a new LSA type with its U-bit set to 0 MAY >>>>>> only be >>>>>> ! understood by a subset of routers. This new LS Type >>>>>> should only be >>>>>> ! flooded to an OSPF neighbor that understands the LS type >>>>>> or when >>>>>> the >>>>>> ! neighbor that doesn't understand it is Designated Router >>>>>> or Backup >>>>>> ! Designated Router for the attached link. This allows >>>>>> the LSA to be >>>>>> ! flooded on the local link even if either the router elected >>>>>> ! Designated Router or Backup Designated Router doesn't >>>>>> understand >>>>>> the >>>>>> ! LS type. >>>>>> >>>>>> 3.5.3. Installing LSAs in the database >>>>>> >>>>>> *************** >>>>>> *** 3395,3406 **** >>>>>> neighbor relationships from forming (e.g., the E-bit >>>>>> below); these >>>>>> mismatches are discovered through the sending and >>>>>> receiving of >>>>>> Hello >>>>>> packets. Some option mismatches prevent particular LSA >>>>>> types from >>>>>> ! being flooded across adjacencies (e.g., the MC-bit >>>>>> below); these >>>>>> are >>>>>> ! discovered through the sending and receiving of Database >>>>>> Description >>>>>> ! packets. Some option mismatches prevent routers from being >>>>>> included >>>>>> ! in one or more of the various routing calculations >>>>>> because of their >>>>>> ! reduced functionality (again, the MC-bit is an example); >>>>>> these >>>>>> ! mismatches are discovered by examining LSAs. >>>>>> >>>>>> Seven bits of the OSPF Options field have been assigned. >>>>>> Each >>>>>> bit is >>>>>> described briefly below. Routers should reset (i.e., >>>>>> clear) >>>>>> --- 3395,3405 ---- >>>>>> neighbor relationships from forming (e.g., the E-bit >>>>>> below); these >>>>>> mismatches are discovered through the sending and >>>>>> receiving of >>>>>> Hello >>>>>> packets. Some option mismatches prevent particular LSA >>>>>> types from >>>>>> ! being flooded across adjacencies these are discovered >>>>>> through >>>>>> the >>>>>> ! sending and receiving of Database Description packets. >>>>>> Some option >>>>>> ! mismatches prevent routers from being included in one or >>>>>> more of >>>>>> the >>>>>> ! various routing calculations because of their reduced >>>>>> functionality; >>>>>> ! these mismatches are discovered by examining LSAs. >>>>>> >>>>>> Seven bits of the OSPF Options field have been assigned. >>>>>> Each >>>>>> bit is >>>>>> described briefly below. Routers should reset (i.e., >>>>>> clear) >>>>>> *************** >>>>>> *** 3414,3429 **** >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 >>>>>> [Page 61] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>>>> May >>>>>> 2007 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 1 2 >>>>>> ! 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 >>>>>> ! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+--+--+--+ >>>>>> ! | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |*|*|DC|R|N|MC| E|V6| >>>>>> ! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+--+--+--+ >>>>>> >>>>>> The Options field >>>>>> >>>>>> --- 3413,3429 ---- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ! >>>>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 >>>>>> [Page 61] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>>>> August >>>>>> 2007 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 1 2 >>>>>> ! 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 >>>>>> ! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+--+ >>>>>> ! | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |*|*|DC|R|N|x| E|V6| >>>>>> ! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+--+ >>>>>> >>>>>> The Options field >>>>>> >>>>>> *************** >>>>>> *** 3438,3446 **** >>>>>> This bit describes the way AS-external-LSAs are >>>>>> flooded, as >>>>>> described in Sections 3.6, 9.5, 10.8, and 12.1.2 of >>>>>> [OSPFV2]. >>>>>> >>>>>> ! MC-bit >>>>>> ! This bit describes whether IP multicast datagrams are >>>>>> forwarded >>>>>> ! according to the specifications in [MOSPF]. >>>>>> >>>>>> N-bit >>>>>> This bit indicates whether or not the router is >>>>>> attached to an >>>>>> --- 3438,3447 ---- >>>>>> This bit describes the way AS-external-LSAs are >>>>>> flooded, as >>>>>> described in Sections 3.6, 9.5, 10.8, and 12.1.2 of >>>>>> [OSPFV2]. >>>>>> >>>>>> ! x-Bit >>>>>> ! This bit was previously used by MOSPF (see [MOSPF]) >>>>>> which has >>>>>> been >>>>>> ! deprecated for OSPFv3. It should be set to 0 and ignored >>>>>> upon >>>>>> ! reception. It may be reused in the future. >>>>>> >>>>>> N-bit >>>>>> This bit indicates whether or not the router is >>>>>> attached to an >>>>>> *************** >>>>>> *** 4021,4038 **** >>>>>> cases or are to be marked as not readvertisable in others. >>>>>> >>>>>> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 >>>>>> ! +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+ >>>>>> ! | | | |DN| P|MC|LA|NU| >>>>>> ! +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 >>>>>> [Page 72] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>>>> May >>>>>> 2007 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Prefix Options field >>>>>> --- 4021,4038 ---- >>>>>> cases or are to be marked as not readvertisable in others. >>>>>> >>>>>> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 >>>>>> ! +--+--+--+--+--+-+--+--+ >>>>>> ! | | | |DN| P|x|LA|NU| >>>>>> ! +--+--+--+--+--+-+--+--+ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 >>>>>> [Page 72] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>>>> August >>>>>> 2007 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Prefix Options field >>>>>> *************** >>>>>> *** 4050,4059 **** >>>>>> Section 3.4.3.9. An implementation MAY also set the >>>>>> LA-bit for >>>>>> prefixes advertised with a host PrefixLength (128). >>>>>> >>>>>> ! MC-bit >>>>>> ! The "multicast" capability bit. If set, the prefix >>>>>> should be >>>>>> ! included in IPv6 multicast routing calculations. If >>>>>> not set, it >>>>>> ! should be excluded. >>>>>> >>>>>> P-bit >>>>>> The "propagate" bit. Set on NSSA area prefixes that >>>>>> should be >>>>>> --- 4050,4060 ---- >>>>>> Section 3.4.3.9. An implementation MAY also set the >>>>>> LA-bit for >>>>>> prefixes advertised with a host PrefixLength (128). >>>>>> >>>>>> ! x-bit >>>>>> ! This bit was previously defined as a "multicast" >>>>>> capability bit. >>>>>> ! However, the use was never adequately specified and >>>>>> it is being >>>>>> ! deprecated. It is set to 0 and ignored upon >>>>>> reception. It >>>>>> may be >>>>>> ! reused in the future. >>>>>> >>>>>> P-bit >>>>>> The "propagate" bit. Set on NSSA area prefixes that >>>>>> should be >>>>>> *************** >>>>>> *** 4193,4209 **** >>>>>> >>>>>> The LSA function codes are defined as follows. The >>>>>> origination >>>>>> and >>>>>> processing of these LSA function codes are defined >>>>>> elsewhere in >>>>>> this >>>>>> ! document, except for the group-membership-LSA (see >>>>>> [MOSPF]) and the >>>>>> ! NSSA-LSA (see [NSSA]). As shown below, each LSA >>>>>> function code also >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires November 12, 2007 >>>>>> [Page 75] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>>>> May >>>>>> 2007 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ! implies a specific setting for the U, S1, and S2 bits. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> LSA function code LS Type Description >>>>>> --- 4193,4210 ---- >>>>>> >>>>>> The LSA function codes are defined as follows. The >>>>>> origination >>>>>> and >>>>>> processing of these LSA function codes are defined >>>>>> elsewhere in >>>>>> this >>>>>> ! document, except for the NSSA-LSA (see [NSSA]) and >>>>>> 0x2006 which was >>>>>> ! previously used by MOSPF (see [MOSPF]). MOSPF has been >>>>>> deprecated >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ! Coltun, et al. Expires February 2, 2008 >>>>>> [Page 75] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ! Internet-Draft OSPF for IPv6 >>>>>> August >>>>>> 2007 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ! for OSPFv3. As shown below, each LSA function code also >>>>>> implies a >>>>>> ! specific setting for the U, S1, and S2 bits. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> LSA function code LS Type Description >>>>>> *************** >>>>>> *** 4213,4219 **** >>>>>> 3 0x2003 Inter-Area-Prefix- >>>>>> LSA >>>>>> 4 0x2004 Inter-Area-Router- >>>>>> LSA >>>>>> 5 0x4005 AS-external-LSA >>>>>> ! 6 0x2006 Group-membership-LSA >>>>>> 7 0x2007 NSSA-LSA >>>>>> 8 0x0008 Link-LSA >>>>>> 9 0x2009 Intra-Area-Prefix- >>>>>> LSA >>>>>> --- 4214,4220 ---- >>>>>> 3 0x2003 Inter-Area-Prefix- >>>>>> LSA >>>>>> 4 0x2004 Inter-Area-Router- >>>>>> LSA >>>>>> 5 0x4005 AS-external-LSA >>>>>> ! 6 0x2006 Deprecated (May be >>>>>> reused) >>>>>> 7 0x2007 NSSA-LSA >>>>>> 8 0x0008 Link-LSA >>>>>> 9 0x2009 Intra-Area-Prefix- >>>>>> LSA >>>>>> *************** >>>>>> *** 4272,4278 **** >>>>>> >>>>>> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >>>>>> +-+-+ >>>>>> | LS Checksum | >>>>>> Length | >>>>>> >>>>>> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >>>>>> +-+-+ >>>>>> ! | 0 |Nt|W|V|E|B| >>>>>> Options | >>>>>> >>>>>> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >>>>>> +-+-+ >>>>>> | Type | 0 | >>>>>> Metric | >>>>>> >>>>>> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >>>>>> +-+-+ >>>>>> --- 4272,4278 ---- >>>>>> >>>>>> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >>>>>> +-+-+ >>>>>> | LS Checksum | >>>>>> Length | >>>>>> >>>>>> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >>>>>> +-+-+ >>>>>> ! | 0 |Nt|x|V|E|B| >>>>>> Options | >>>>>> >>>>>> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >>>>>> +-+-+ >>>>>> | Type | 0 | >>>>>> Metric | >>>>>> >>>>>> +-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >>>>>> +-+-+ >>>>>> *************** >>>>>> *** 4326,4336 **** >>>>>> Bit B >>>>>> When set, the router is an area border router (B is for >>>>>> border). >>>>>> >>>>>> ! Bit W >>>>>> ! When set, the router is a wild-card multicast receiver. >>>>>> When >>>>>> ! running MOSPF, these routers receive all multicast >>>>>> datagrams, >>>>>> ! regardless of destination. See Sections 3, 4, and A.2 of >>>>>> [MOSPF] >>>>>> ! for details. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bit Nt >>>>>> When set, the router is an NSSA border router that is >>>>>> --- 4326,4335 ---- >>>>>> Bit B >>>>>> When set, the router is an area border router (B is for >>>>>> border). >>>>>> >>>>>> ! Bit x >>>>>> ! This bit was previously used by MOSPF (see [MOSPF]) >>>>>> which has >>>>>> been >>>>>> ! deprecated for OSPFv3. It should be set to 0 and ignored >>>>>> upon >>>>>> ! reception. It may be reused in the future. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bit Nt >>>>>> When set, the router is an NSSA border router that is >>>>>> *************** >>>>>> *** 5796,5806 **** >>>>>> --- 5796,5814 ---- >>>>>> o Add new prefix options and options field bits added in >>>>>> this >>>>>> _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Fri Aug 03 03:13:10 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGrLG-0005ZZ-1Z; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 03:12:58 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGrLD-0005ZL-Rg for ospf@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 03:12:55 -0400 Received: from smtp-rennes1.teamlog.com ([194.206.222.69] helo=mail1-rennes1.teamlog.fr) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGrLA-00086l-GS for ospf@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 03:12:55 -0400 Received: from teamlog.com by paris.teamlog.com (x.x.x/x.x.x) with ESMTP id l737C55J019280; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 09:12:05 +0200 Message-ID: <46B2D4AC.9080608@teamlog.com> Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 09:09:32 +0200 From: Vincent Nogues Organization: TEAMLOG User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erblichs Subject: Re: [OSPF] Removal of MOSPF from OSPFv3 References: <66A3A59B-F3DA-437C-9107-67C36A4B93F7@redback.com> <4B7DAC3FEFD35D4A96BDD011699050140A4245F9@zrtphxm1.corp.nortel.com> <93E269EB-87EB-4B6F-B212-B3E15C049B55@redback.com> <46B21BEF.F72A2FB2@earthlink.net> <46B25A86.72B967B9@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <46B25A86.72B967B9@earthlink.net> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mail1-rennes1.teamlog.fr id l737C55J019280 X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 15dcd85cefdc68de5c59786f9c752931 Cc: OSPF List X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1985302798==" Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org --===============1985302798== Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,

I don't know any MOSPF implementation for IPv6. However, maybe, we will developp such an implementation in the coming months. This project is not yet definitive, so I would appreciate if this removal could be postponed.

Thanks,
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Erblichs a =E9crit=A0: 
Yes Acee, I think we did,

	Are you 100% sure that NO-ONE generated a MOSPF=20
	implimentation OR used it for something ELSE OR
	if this bit is set is going to do WEIRD things.
	If not then WHY NOT be as careful as possible?

	I just think that this isn't the ONLY thing in the
	current or future that COULD/SHOULD be DEPRECATED.

	We could let a larger audience OUTSIDE of this
	mail alias be AWARE that this/these things are intended
	to be DEPRCATED/REMOVED.

	It has been around for years?
	Document it for 6 months, and set a clock, and MAYBE=20
	 have implimentations check whether this bit is set?
	 However, this last bit introduces the chicken and=20
	 egg problem, That's why it needs to be a 1-time FYI
	 msg if generated.

	Then get rid of it...

	Then the issue comes into play about routers no longer
	 having their supftware updated who IGNORE this bit
         once it is re-used.

	Mitchell Erblich
	------------------

=09

Acee Lindem wrote:
  
Mitchell,
We've discussed this before (at least once). Nobody (to the best of
my knowledge) has implemented MOSPF for OSPFv3. If they have, they
should come forward with a complete specification since there were
things missing from RFC 2740 (e.g., the definition of the group LSAs).

Thanks,
Acee
On Aug 2, 2007, at 2:01 PM, Erblichs wrote:

    
Acee Lindem and group,

      IMO, OSPF needs to have some form
      of formal DEPRECATION policy.

      WOULD it be more prudent to suggest first
      generating some type of DEPRECATED statement?

      This is common in OSs when a feature is about
      to be removed in one of the next releases.
      Doing so ONLY in the context of a mail alias
      limits the notification to a limited audience.

      IMO, that COULD be done by checking the bit
      in the hello and if set generating the msg
      one time per intf.

      In theory, the DEPRECATE statement would suggest
      sending a email to the ospf@ietf.org mailing list
      identifying the manufacturer and the box in
      question.

      This could be done for 1 release time of say
      6 months to VERIFY that no-one is using that
      bit..

      Currently I believe the v3 spec says to ignore
      a capability bit that is not understood. So, it
      would quietly ignore if that bit is set.

      IFF this suggestion would be followed, then the
      appropriate sections within the RFC get changed
      to state that this item is being DEPRECATED, and
      that anyone wishing to notify of any possible
      conflict should send a email to the ospf@ietf.org
      mail alias.

      THis would cover ALL users who MIGHT be using
      a non-conformant and/or legacy (not currently in
      business) router and people who read the ospf RFCs
      but do not subscibe to the mail alias.

      In the legal sense, I believe this would be equal
      to "Due Diligence".

      Mitchell Erblich
      --------------------







Acee Lindem wrote:
      
Hi Dan,

On Aug 1, 2007, at 10:22 AM, Daniel Joyal wrote:

        
This also has an impact to the OSPFv3 MIB which =
has multicast-
specific
objects that would need to be removed.
          
Yup. ospfv3MulticastExtensions and ospfv3IfMultica=
stForwarding could
be removed. Anything else?

Thanks,
Acee

        
-Dan

          
-----Original Message-----
From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee@redback.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:03 PM
To: OSPF List
Subject: [OSPF] Removal of MOSPF from OSPFv3

MOSPF has never really been fully specified in RFC 2740 and,
to the best of my knowledge, has never been implemented.
Hence, we again had some discussions about removing it from
the respin. I've made the changes but have not submitting
them. I've also attempted to reclaim the MC-bit in the prefix
options since this was never fully specified either and has
proved to be grossly inadequate to separate unicast and
multicast topologies. Please send comments ASAP. If I don't
hear any serious dissent I'll submit the update and we'll do
a quick re-WGLC.

Thanks,
Acee

***************
*** 82,89 ****
      addition, option handling has been made more flexible.

      All of OSPF for IPv4's optional capabilities, including
demand
!    circuit support, Not-So-Stubby Areas (NSSAs), and the
multicast
!    extensions to OSPF (MOSPF) are also supported in OSPF for
IPv6.



--- 82,89 ----
      addition, option handling has been made more flexible.

      All of OSPF for IPv4's optional capabilities, including
demand
!    circuit support and Not-So-Stubby Areas (NSSAs) are also
supported in
!    OSPF for IPv6.



***************
*** 828,844 ****
      LSAs, network-LSAs, inter-area-prefix-LSAs,
inter-area-router- LSAs,
      and intra-area-prefix-LSAs.  LSAs with unknown LS type,
U-bit set to
      1 (flood even when unrecognized) and area scope also
appear in the
!    area data structure.  IPv6 routers implementing MOSPF add
group-
!    membership-LSAs to the area data structure.  NSSA-LSAs are
also
!    included in an NSSA area's data structure.





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   3.1.2.  The Interface Data structure
--- 828,844 ----
      LSAs, network-LSAs, inter-area-prefix-LSAs,
inter-area-router- LSAs,
      and intra-area-prefix-LSAs.  LSAs with unknown LS type,
U-bit set to
      1 (flood even when unrecognized) and area scope also
appear in the
!    area data structure.  NSSA-LSAs are also included in an
NSSA area's
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***************
*** 1086,1094 ****
      o  The Options field within Database Description
packets has moved
         around, getting larger in the process.  More options
bits are now
         possible.  Those that MUST be set correctly in Database
!       Description packets are: The MC-bit is set if and only
if the
!       router is forwarding multicast datagrams according to
the MOSPF
!       specification in [MOSPF], and the DC-bit is set if and only
if the
         router wishes to suppress the sending of Hellos over
the interface
         (see [DEMAND]).  Unrecognized bits in the Database
Description
         packet's Options field should be cleared.
--- 1086,1092 ----
      o  The Options field within Database Description
packets has moved
         around, getting larger in the process.  More options
bits are now
         possible.  Those that MUST be set correctly in Database
!       Description packets are: The DC-bit is set if and only
if the
         router wishes to suppress the sending of Hellos over
the interface
         (see [DEMAND]).  Unrecognized bits in the Database
Description
         packet's Options field should be cleared.
***************
*** 1577,1591 ****
      should be set unless the router will not participate in
transit
IPv6
      routing.  The E-bit should be clear if and only if the
attached area
      is an OSPF stub or OSPF NSSA area.  The E-bit should
always be set in
!    AS scoped LSAs.  The MC-bit should be set if and only if
the router
!    is running MOSPF and the LSA is to be used in the multicast
SPF
!    computation (see [MOSPF]).  The N-bit should be set if
and only if
!    the attached area is an OSPF NSSA area.  The R-bit should
be set
!    unless the router will not participate in any transit
routing.  The
!    DC-bit should be set if and only if the router can correctly
process
!    the DoNotAge bit when it appears in the LS age field of LSAs
(see
!    [DEMAND]).  All unrecognized bits in the Options field
should be
!    cleared.

      The V6-bit and R-bit are only examined in Router-LSAs
during the SPF
      computation.  In other LSA types containing options,
they are set for
--- 1577,1588 ----
      should be set unless the router will not participate in
transit
IPv6
      routing.  The E-bit should be clear if and only if the
attached area
      is an OSPF stub or OSPF NSSA area.  The E-bit should
always be set in
!    AS scoped LSAs.  The N-bit should be set if and only if the
attached
!    area is an OSPF NSSA area.  The R-bit should be set unless the
router
!    will not participate in any transit routing.  The DC-bit
should be
!    set if and only if the router can correctly process the
DoNotAge
bit
!    when it appears in the LS age field of LSAs (see
[DEMAND]).  All
!    unrecognized bits in the Options field should be cleared.

      The V6-bit and R-bit are only examined in Router-LSAs
during the SPF
      computation.  In other LSA types containing options,
they are set for
***************
*** 1603,1610 ****
      State ID fields.

      To the left of the Options field, the router capability
bits V, E,
!    and B should be set according to Section 12.4.1 of
[OSPFV2].  Bit W
!    should be coded according to [MOSPF].

      Each of the router's interfaces to the area are then
described by
      appending "link descriptions" to the router-LSA.  Each link
--- 1600,1606 ----
      State ID fields.

      To the left of the Options field, the router capability
bits V, E,
!    and B should be set according to Section 12.4.1 of [OSPFV2].

      Each of the router's interfaces to the area are then
described by
      appending "link descriptions" to the router-LSA.  Each link
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         Designated Router.

      o  The Options field in the network-LSA is set to the
logical OR of
         the Options fields contained within the link's
associated link-
!       LSAs.  In this way, the network link exhibits a capability
when at
!       least one of the link's routers requests that the
capability be
         advertised.

      As an example, assuming that Router RT4 has been
elected Designated
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         Designated Router.

      o  The Options field in the network-LSA is set to the
logical OR of
         the Options fields contained within the link's
associated link-
!       LSAs corresponding to fully adjacent neighbors.  In
this way,
the
!       network link exhibits a capability when at least one fully
!       adjacent neighbor on the link requests that the
capability be
         advertised.

      As an example, assuming that Router RT4 has been
elected Designated
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!    o  The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear.  The
coding
!       of the MC-bit depends upon whether, and if so how, MOSPF is
!       operating in the routing domain (see [MOSPF]).

      o  Link-local addresses MUST never be advertised in inter-
area-
         prefix-LSAs.
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!    o  The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear.

      o  Link-local addresses MUST never be advertised in inter-
area-
         prefix-LSAs.
***************
*** 1894,1916 ****
         Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body.
Network Mask
         is no longer specified.

!    o  The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear.  The
coding
!       of the MC-bit depends upon whether, and if so how, MOSPF is
!       operating in the routing domain (see [MOSPF]).
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!    o  Link-local addresses can never be advertised in AS-
external-
LSAs.

-    o  The forwarding address is present in the
AS-external-LSA if and
-       only if the AS-external-LSA's bit F is set.

      o  The external route tag is present in the
AS-external-LSA if and
         only if the AS-external-LSA's bit T is set.
--- 1892,1911 ----
         Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body.
Network Mask
         is no longer specified.

!    o  The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear.

+    o  Link-local addresses can never be advertised in AS-
external-
LSAs.

+    o  The forwarding address is present in the
AS-external-LSA if and
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      o  The external route tag is present in the
AS-external-LSA if and
         only if the AS-external-LSA's bit T is set.
***************
*** 1982,1990 ****
         Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body.
Network
Mask
         is no longer specified.

!    o  The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear.  The
coding
!       of the MC-bit depends upon whether, and if so how, MOSPF is
!       operating in the routing domain (see [MOSPF]).

      o  Link-local addresses can never be advertised in NSSA-LSAs.

--- 1971,1977 ----
         Address Prefix fields embedded within the LSA body.
Network
Mask
         is no longer specified.

!    o  The NU-bit in the PrefixOptions field should be clear.

      o  Link-local addresses can never be advertised in NSSA-LSAs.

***************
*** 2450,2475 ****
      area-prefix-LSAs (0x2003), inter-area-router-LSAs (0x2004),
NSSA-LSAs
      (0x2007), AS-external-LSAs (0x4005), link-LSAs (0x0008), and
Intra-
      Area-Prefix-LSAs (0x2009) are assumed to be understood by all
!    routers.  However, not all LS types are understood by
all routers,
!    For example, the group-membership-LSA (0x2006) is understood
only by
!    MOSPF routers and since it has its U-bit set to 0.  This LS
Type
!    should only be flooded to a non-MOSPF neighbor (determined by
!    examining the MC-bit in the neighbor's Database Description
packets'
!    Options field) when the neighbor is Designated Router or
Backup
!    Designated Router for the attached link.
!
!    The previous paragraph solves a problem for IPv4 OSPF
extensions
such
!
!
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!
!    as MOSPF, which require that the Designated Router support the
!    extension in order to have the new LSA types flooded across
broadcast
!    and NBMA networks (see Section 10.2 of [MOSPF]).

   3.5.3.  Installing LSAs in the database

--- 2422,2436 ----
      area-prefix-LSAs (0x2003), inter-area-router-LSAs (0x2004),
NSSA-LSAs
      (0x2007), AS-external-LSAs (0x4005), link-LSAs (0x0008), and
Intra-
      Area-Prefix-LSAs (0x2009) are assumed to be understood by all
!    routers.  However, all LS types MAY not be understood by all
routers.
!    For example, a new LSA type with its U-bit set to 0 MAY
only be
!    understood by a subset of routers.  This new LS Type
should only be
!    flooded to an OSPF neighbor that understands the LS type
or when
the
!    neighbor that doesn't understand it is Designated Router
or Backup
!    Designated Router for the attached link.  This allows
the LSA to be
!    flooded on the local link even if either the router elected
!    Designated Router or Backup Designated Router doesn't
understand
the
!    LS type.

   3.5.3.  Installing LSAs in the database

***************
*** 3395,3406 ****
      neighbor relationships from forming (e.g., the E-bit
below); these
      mismatches are discovered through the sending and
receiving of
Hello
      packets.  Some option mismatches prevent particular LSA
types from
!    being flooded across adjacencies (e.g., the MC-bit
below); these
are
!    discovered through the sending and receiving of Database
Description
!    packets.  Some option mismatches prevent routers from being
included
!    in one or more of the various routing calculations
because of their
!    reduced functionality (again, the MC-bit is an example); these
!    mismatches are discovered by examining LSAs.

      Seven bits of the OSPF Options field have been assigned.
Each
bit is
      described briefly below.  Routers should reset (i.e., clear)
--- 3395,3405 ----
      neighbor relationships from forming (e.g., the E-bit
below); these
      mismatches are discovered through the sending and
receiving of
Hello
      packets.  Some option mismatches prevent particular LSA
types from
!    being flooded across adjacencies these are discovered through
the
!    sending and receiving of Database Description packets.
Some option
!    mismatches prevent routers from being included in one or
more of
the
!    various routing calculations because of their reduced
functionality;
!    these mismatches are discovered by examining LSAs.

      Seven bits of the OSPF Options field have been assigned.
Each
bit is
      described briefly below.  Routers should reset (i.e., clear)
***************
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                                  1                    2
!            0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8  9 0  1  2  3
!           +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+--+--+--+
!           | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |*|*|DC|R|N|MC| E|V6|
!           +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+--+--+--+

                              The Options field

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                                  1                    2
!            0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8  9 0 1  2  3
!           +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+--+
!           | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |*|*|DC|R|N|x| E|V6|
!           +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+--+--+

                              The Options field

***************
*** 3438,3446 ****
         This bit describes the way AS-external-LSAs are
flooded, as
         described in Sections 3.6, 9.5, 10.8, and 12.1.2 of
[OSPFV2].

!    MC-bit
!       This bit describes whether IP multicast datagrams are
forwarded
!       according to the specifications in [MOSPF].

      N-bit
         This bit indicates whether or not the router is
attached to an
--- 3438,3447 ----
         This bit describes the way AS-external-LSAs are
flooded, as
         described in Sections 3.6, 9.5, 10.8, and 12.1.2 of
[OSPFV2].

!    x-Bit
!       This bit was previously used by MOSPF (see [MOSPF])
which has
been
!       deprecated for OSPFv3.  It should be set to 0 and ignored
upon
!       reception.  It may be reused in the future.

      N-bit
         This bit indicates whether or not the router is
attached to an
***************
*** 4021,4038 ****
      cases or are to be marked as not readvertisable in others.

                        0  1  2  3  4  5  6  7
!                     +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
!                     |  |  |  |DN| P|MC|LA|NU|
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                            The Prefix Options field
--- 4021,4038 ----
      cases or are to be marked as not readvertisable in others.

                        0  1  2  3  4  5  6  7
!                     +--+--+--+--+--+-+--+--+
!                     |  |  |  |DN| P|x|LA|NU|
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                            The Prefix Options field
***************
*** 4050,4059 ****
         Section 3.4.3.9.  An implementation MAY also set the
LA-bit for
         prefixes advertised with a host PrefixLength (128).

!    MC-bit
!       The "multicast" capability bit.  If set, the prefix
should be
!       included in IPv6 multicast routing calculations.  If
not set, it
!       should be excluded.

      P-bit
         The "propagate" bit.  Set on NSSA area prefixes that
should be
--- 4050,4060 ----
         Section 3.4.3.9.  An implementation MAY also set the
LA-bit for
         prefixes advertised with a host PrefixLength (128).

!    x-bit
!       This bit was previously defined as a "multicast"
capability bit.
!       However, the use was never adequately specified and
it is being
!       deprecated.  It is set to 0 and ignored upon reception.  It
may be
!       reused in the future.

      P-bit
         The "propagate" bit.  Set on NSSA area prefixes that
should be
***************
*** 4193,4209 ****

      The LSA function codes are defined as follows.  The
origination
and
      processing of these LSA function codes are defined
elsewhere in
this
!    document, except for the group-membership-LSA (see
[MOSPF]) and the
!    NSSA-LSA (see [NSSA]).  As shown below, each LSA
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!    implies a specific setting for the U, S1, and S2 bits.


               LSA function code   LS Type   Description
--- 4193,4210 ----

      The LSA function codes are defined as follows.  The
origination
and
      processing of these LSA function codes are defined
elsewhere in
this
!    document, except for the NSSA-LSA (see [NSSA]) and
0x2006 which was
!    previously used by MOSPF (see [MOSPF]).  MOSPF has been
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!    for OSPFv3.  As shown below, each LSA function code also
implies a
!    specific setting for the U, S1, and S2 bits.


               LSA function code   LS Type   Description
***************
*** 4213,4219 ****
               3                   0x2003    Inter-Area-Prefix-LSA
               4                   0x2004    Inter-Area-Router-LSA
               5                   0x4005    AS-external-LSA
!             6                   0x2006    Group-membership-LSA
               7                   0x2007    NSSA-LSA
               8                   0x0008    Link-LSA
               9                   0x2009    Intra-Area-Prefix-LSA
--- 4214,4220 ----
               3                   0x2003    Inter-Area-Prefix-LSA
               4                   0x2004    Inter-Area-Router-LSA
               5                   0x4005    AS-external-LSA
!             6                   0x2006    Deprecated (May be
reused)
               7                   0x2007    NSSA-LSA
               8                   0x0008    Link-LSA
               9                   0x2009    Intra-Area-Prefix-LSA
***************
*** 4272,4278 ****

+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
+-+-+
         |        LS Checksum             |
Length             |

+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
+-+-+
!       |  0  |Nt|W|V|E|B|
Options                            |

+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
+-+-+
         |     Type       |       0       |
Metric               |

+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
+-+-+
--- 4272,4278 ----

+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
+-+-+
         |        LS Checksum             |
Length             |

+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
+-+-+
!       |  0  |Nt|x|V|E|B|
Options                            |

+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
+-+-+
         |     Type       |       0       |
Metric               |

+-+-+-+--+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
+-+-+
***************
*** 4326,4336 ****
      Bit B
         When set, the router is an area border router (B is for
border).

!    Bit W
!       When set, the router is a wild-card multicast receiver.
When
!       running MOSPF, these routers receive all multicast
datagrams,
!       regardless of destination.  See Sections 3, 4, and A.2 of
[MOSPF]
!       for details.

      Bit Nt
         When set, the router is an NSSA border router that is
--- 4326,4335 ----
      Bit B
         When set, the router is an area border router (B is for
border).

!    Bit x
!       This bit was previously used by MOSPF (see [MOSPF])
which has
been
!       deprecated for OSPFv3.  It should be set to 0 and ignored
upon
!       reception.  It may be reused in the future.

      Bit Nt
         When set, the router is an NSSA border router that is
***************
*** 5796,5806 ****
--- 5796,5814 ----
      o  Add new prefix options and options field bits added in
this

            

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--===============1985302798== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf --===============1985302798==-- From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Fri Aug 03 03:50:33 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGrva-0008Qg-5S; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 03:50:30 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGrvY-0008Mf-2z for ospf@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 03:50:28 -0400 Received: from weird-brew.cisco.com ([144.254.15.118] helo=av-tac-bru.cisco.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGrvX-0000Yo-K8 for ospf@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 03:50:27 -0400 X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id l737oOk11777; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 09:50:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ssh-ams-1.cisco.com [144.254.226.40]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id l737oMQ11327; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 09:50:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46B2DE57.8090402@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 09:50:47 +0200 From: Anton Smirnov Organization: Cisco Systems, Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Nogues Subject: Re: [OSPF] Removal of MOSPF from OSPFv3 References: <66A3A59B-F3DA-437C-9107-67C36A4B93F7@redback.com> <4B7DAC3FEFD35D4A96BDD011699050140A4245F9@zrtphxm1.corp.nortel.com> <93E269EB-87EB-4B6F-B212-B3E15C049B55@redback.com> <46B21BEF.F72A2FB2@earthlink.net> <46B25A86.72B967B9@earthlink.net> <46B2D4AC.9080608@teamlog.com> In-Reply-To: <46B2D4AC.9080608@teamlog.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ea4ac80f790299f943f0a53be7e1a21a Cc: OSPF List X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Hi, with OSPFv2 most implementations did not implement MOSPF (shall I say MOSPFv2) and the same will probably be true for OSPFv3/MOSPFv3. So I think it is very reasonable that we want to separate mandatory part of OSPFv3 from optional (and so far not very well specified) MOSPFv3. We are not banning MOSPFv3 work completely. If there is interest in MOSPFv3 it can be taken as separate work by interested parties. Thanks, Anton Vincent Nogues wrote: > Hi, > > I don't know any MOSPF implementation for IPv6. However, maybe, we will > developp such an implementation in the coming months. This project is > not yet definitive, so I would appreciate if this removal could be > postponed. > > Thanks, > > --------------------------------------------------- > > *Vincent NOGUES* > > --------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Fri Aug 03 09:09:57 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGwuT-0004EV-KS; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 09:09:41 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGwuS-0004EQ-0C for ospf@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 09:09:40 -0400 Received: from prattle.redback.com ([155.53.12.9]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IGwuR-0001yq-H8 for ospf@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 09:09:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by prattle.redback.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C13DD856D3; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 06:09:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prattle.redback.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (prattle [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01562-09; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 06:09:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [JC??O??IPv6???1] (login005.redback.com [155.53.12.64]) by prattle.redback.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC2C6D856DE; Fri, 3 Aug 2007 06:09:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <46B2DE57.8090402@cisco.com> References: <66A3A59B-F3DA-437C-9107-67C36A4B93F7@redback.com> <4B7DAC3FEFD35D4A96BDD011699050140A4245F9@zrtphxm1.corp.nortel.com> <93E269EB-87EB-4B6F-B212-B3E15C049B55@redback.com> <46B21BEF.F72A2FB2@earthlink.net> <46B25A86.72B967B9@earthlink.net> <46B2D4AC.9080608@teamlog.com> <46B2DE57.8090402@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7EA6C521-AA32-4E8E-8196-E28BC38E9F42@redback.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Acee Lindem Subject: Re: [OSPF] Removal of MOSPF from OSPFv3 Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 09:08:21 -0400 To: Anton Smirnov X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at redback.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c1c65599517f9ac32519d043c37c5336 Cc: OSPF List X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Hi Vincent, I couldn't agree more with Anton. Once you implement OSPFv3, you can bring it forward as an experimental RFC and specify it completely (not just the few reserved bits as we have today). Also, I don't think the prospect of something that someone might implement or even intends to implement is enough to influence the standard. The original OSPFv3 document has been around since 1999 so there has been an ample gestation period for MOSPFv3 implementations. Thanks, Acee On Aug 3, 2007, at 3:50 AM, Anton Smirnov wrote: > Hi, > with OSPFv2 most implementations did not implement MOSPF (shall > I say MOSPFv2) and the same will probably be true for OSPFv3/ > MOSPFv3. So I think it is very reasonable that we want to separate > mandatory part of OSPFv3 from optional (and so far not very well > specified) MOSPFv3. > We are not banning MOSPFv3 work completely. If there is interest > in MOSPFv3 it can be taken as separate work by interested parties. > > Thanks, > > Anton > > > Vincent Nogues wrote: >> Hi, >> I don't know any MOSPF implementation for IPv6. However, maybe, we >> will developp such an implementation in the coming months. This >> project is not yet definitive, so I would appreciate if this >> removal could be postponed. >> Thanks, >> --------------------------------------------------- >> *Vincent NOGUES* >> --------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Fri Aug 03 16:55:19 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IH4At-0005lF-Jt; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:55:07 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IH4As-0005l8-Ab for ospf@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:55:06 -0400 Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.66]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IH4Ar-0007ky-QI for ospf@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:55:06 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ntI+ou+GYg+lOExBR/mW5OrF46XOUerqMyMETZjZU1IeW+8Z1DFwieEVnW7ktQlj; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:X-Sender:X-Mailer:X-Accept-Language:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.164.83.247] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IH4Aq-0005aG-AM; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:55:04 -0400 Message-ID: <46B396B2.1B1E441B@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 13:57:22 -0700 From: Erblichs X-Sender: "Erblichs" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anton Smirnov Subject: Re: [OSPF] Removal of MOSPF from OSPFv3 References: <66A3A59B-F3DA-437C-9107-67C36A4B93F7@redback.com> <4B7DAC3FEFD35D4A96BDD011699050140A4245F9@zrtphxm1.corp.nortel.com> <93E269EB-87EB-4B6F-B212-B3E15C049B55@redback.com> <46B21BEF.F72A2FB2@earthlink.net> <46B25A86.72B967B9@earthlink.net> <46B2D4AC.9080608@teamlog.com> <46B2DE57.8090402@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 074f60c55517ea841aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79ab41d01c2ae56ce0b47d5ab0349919ba350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.83.247 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0fa76816851382eb71b0a882ccdc29ac Cc: OSPF List X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Group, First, doesn't removal of MOSPF from a well-known RFC remove it from the use by multiple vendors? IMO, this work would not be done if their is belief that MOSPF has strong backing. Who can raise their hands and state that most OSPFv3 capable routers don't have at least 1 MOSPF CLI command? I think that the CLI commands will conflict and need to be changed if re-use is done. This non-support is awareness of MOSPF and that is all is needed for breakage!!!!! How many of these CLI commands are with routers that are no longer supported? It was my undestanding of a couple of years ago that MOSPF was basicly NOT classified as "historic", but was being treated as such within a WG meeting a couple of years ago. This was one of multiple multicast items. However, IFF we are going for re-use of the capability bit, then why don't we go for the re-use of the MOSPF LSA type value? They both have defined meanings and if you have no-issues with one, shouldn't you expect no issues with the other? Just looking it from the extreme case and I don't recommend this!!!! Minimally, DON"T ALL need to be DEPRECATED including the MOSPF RFC for v3, if any re-use is done for the publicly defined pieces. Thus, IMO available workarounds remove the need for re-use and allows the cruft to exist WITHOUT additional headaches that MIGHT follow the removal of MOSPF in OSPFv3. This is the secondary definition of an obsolete public interace and is one reason why private interfaces are created. Mitchell Erblich ------------------ Anton Smirnov wrote: > > Hi, > with OSPFv2 most implementations did not implement MOSPF (shall I > say MOSPFv2) and the same will probably be true for OSPFv3/MOSPFv3. So I > think it is very reasonable that we want to separate mandatory part of > OSPFv3 from optional (and so far not very well specified) MOSPFv3. > We are not banning MOSPFv3 work completely. If there is interest in > MOSPFv3 it can be taken as separate work by interested parties. > > Thanks, > > Anton > > Vincent Nogues wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I don't know any MOSPF implementation for IPv6. However, maybe, we will > > developp such an implementation in the coming months. This project is > > not yet definitive, so I would appreciate if this removal could be > > postponed. > > > > Thanks, > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > *Vincent NOGUES* > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Sat Aug 04 15:34:17 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IHPO0-0002iD-Oy; Sat, 04 Aug 2007 15:34:04 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IHPNy-0002hr-Sj; Sat, 04 Aug 2007 15:34:02 -0400 Received: from [202.99.23.227] (helo=people.com.cn) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IHPNx-0005lX-Ri; Sat, 04 Aug 2007 15:34:02 -0400 Received: from people.com.cn([127.0.0.1]) by people.com.cn(AIMC 2.9.5.8) with SMTP id jm1c46b523c7; Sun, 05 Aug 2007 03:45:49 +0800 Received: from megatron.ietf.org([156.154.16.145]) by people.com.cn(AIMC 2.9.5.8) with SMTP id jm8f46b0123d; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 09:44:59 +0800 Received: from megatron.ietf.org([156.154.16.145]) by people.com.cn(AIMC 2.9.5.8) with SMTP id AISP action; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 09:44:59 +0800 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IG2jd-0006C9-13; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:10:45 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IG2jY-00068E-Lw; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:10:40 -0400 Received: from bosco.isi.edu ([128.9.168.207]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IG2jY-0002Rb-7j; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:10:40 -0400 Received: by bosco.isi.edu (Postfix, from userid 70) id 94EF6DB067; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:08:12 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Message-Id: <20070801010812.94EF6DB067@bosco.isi.edu> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:08:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Score: -15.0 (---------------) X-Scan-Signature: 0770535483960d190d4a0d020e7060bd X-BeenThere: ietf-announce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list X-AIMC-AUTH: (null) X-AIMC-MAILFROM: ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org X-AIMC-AUTH: (null) X-AIMC-MAILFROM: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org X-Auto-Forward: jaglee@people.com.cn jag@kw.com.cn X-Spam-Score: 2.8 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 225414c974e0d6437992164e91287a51 Cc: ospf@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [OSPF] RFC 4970 on Extensions to OSPF for Advertising Optional Router Capabilities X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. 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For this, which position has to be used to fill the DN-Bit in the lsa prefix options feild. Currently 0 to 3 bit positions are free. 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ | | | | | P |MC|LA|NU| +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ Is there any specification for this regarding which bit position is used to set the DN-Bit ? Thanks and Regards, Chalapathi This e-mail and attachments contain confidential information from HUAWEI, which is intended only for the person or entity whose address is listed above. Any use of the information contained herein in any way (including, but not limited to, total or partial disclosure, reproduction, or dissemination) by persons other than the intended recipient's) is prohibited. If you receive this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by phone or email immediately and delete it! --Boundary_(ID_+MgDVg7UCLYQXib1rSdbuw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Hi$B!$(B

In OSPFv3 for VPN support, we have to  provide DN-Bit support.

For this, which position has to be used to fill the DN-Bit in the lsa prefix options feild.

Currently 0 to 3 bit positions are free.

                   0    1   2   3   4   5    6    7

                 +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+

                  |    |    |    |    |  P |MC|LA|NU|

                 +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+

Is there any specification for this regarding which bit position  is used to set the DN-Bit ?

 

Thanks and Regards,

Chalapathi

 

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--Boundary_(ID_+MgDVg7UCLYQXib1rSdbuw)-- --===============2001170908== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf --===============2001170908==-- From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Mon Aug 06 09:01:36 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1II2D7-0002Ou-N1; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 09:01:25 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1II2D6-0002Oe-4P for ospf@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 09:01:24 -0400 Received: from prattle.redback.com ([155.53.12.9]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1II2D4-0005xw-Bt for ospf@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 09:01:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by prattle.redback.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF5C3BC6C98; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 06:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prattle.redback.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (prattle [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13608-08; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 06:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [JC??O??IPv6???1] (login005.redback.com [155.53.12.64]) by prattle.redback.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57280BC6C9A; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 06:01:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <000301c7d80f$7e78e630$4905120a@china.huawei.com> References: <000301c7d80f$7e78e630$4905120a@china.huawei.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: From: Acee Lindem Subject: Re: [OSPF] FW: Regarding DN-Bit set Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 09:00:05 -0400 To: chalapathi@huawei.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at redback.com X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9c7d7a899dc8f3389bf7ace6f0ad8e29 Cc: ospf@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0002523030==" Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org --===============0002523030== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-56--207908243 --Apple-Mail-56--207908243 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi Chalapathi, On Aug 6, 2007, at 5:52 AM, chalapathi wrote: > Hi=EF=BC=8C > > In OSPFv3 for VPN support, we have to provide DN-Bit support. > > For this, which position has to be used to fill the DN-Bit in the =20 > lsa prefix options feild. > > Currently 0 to 3 bit positions are free. > > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 > > +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ > > | | | | | P |MC|LA|NU| > > +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ > > Is there any specification for this regarding which bit position =20 > is used to set the DN-Bit ? This is specified in draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-update-17.txt. Hope this helps, Acee > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > Chalapathi > > > > This e-mail and attachments contain confidential information from =20 > HUAWEI, which is intended only for the person or entity whose =20 > address is listed above. Any use of the information contained =20 > herein in any way (including, but not limited to, total or partial =20 > disclosure, reproduction, or dissemination) by persons other than =20 > the intended recipient's) is prohibited. If you receive this e-mail =20= > in error, please notify the sender by phone or email immediately =20 > and delete it! > > > > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf --Apple-Mail-56--207908243 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Hi = Chalapathi,

On Aug 6, 2007, at 5:52 AM, chalapathi = wrote:

Hi=EF=BC=8C

In OSPFv3 = for VPN = support, we have to =C2=A0provide DN-Bit support.

For this, which position has to be = used to fill the = DN-Bit in the lsa prefix options = feild.

Currently 0 to 3 bit positions are = free.

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2= =A00=C2=A0 = =C2=A0=C2=A01=C2=A0 =C2=A02=C2=A0=C2=A0 3=C2=A0 =C2=A04=C2=A0 =C2=A05=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A06=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A07

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +--= -+---+---= +---+---+---= +---+---+

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0|=C2=A0 = =C2=A0=C2=A0|=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0|=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0|=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0| =C2=A0P = |MC|LA|NU|

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +---<= /SPAN>+---+--= -+---+---+---= +---+---+

Is there = any specification for this= regarding which bit position=C2=A0 is used to set the = DN-Bit = ?

This is = specified in draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-update-17.txt.=C2=A0

Hope this = helps,
Acee

=

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Thanks and = Regards,

Chalapathi

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([155.53.12.9]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIB37-0004eC-0z for ospf@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:27:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by prattle.redback.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D400170952 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prattle.redback.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (prattle [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08658-01 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [JC??O??IPv6???1] (login005.redback.com [155.53.12.64]) by prattle.redback.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34C8D170950 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <975CE6DB-1B55-407A-B7AB-65EC307304A1@redback.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: OSPF List From: Acee Lindem Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 18:26:26 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at redback.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aefe408d50e9c7c47615841cb314bed Subject: [OSPF] Working Goup Last Call for OSPF for IPv6 - draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-update-17.txt X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Today starts a WG last call for the subject document. The only substantive changes from the previous version are that MOSPF for OSPFv3 has been deprecated and the bits have been reclaimed. The WG last call will end on Tuesday, August 21st at 12:00 AM. Thanks, Acee _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Mon Aug 06 18:37:13 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIBCL-0006KK-AG; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:37:13 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIBCJ-0006KA-VC for ospf@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:37:12 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com ([171.71.176.117]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIBCJ-0007n9-KK for ospf@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:37:11 -0400 Received: from sj-dkim-1.cisco.com ([171.71.179.21]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 06 Aug 2007 15:37:11 -0700 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAOI/t0arR7MV/2dsb2JhbAA X-IronPort-AV: i="4.19,226,1183359600"; d="scan'208"; a="195377768:sNHT28090404" Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l76MbAJb031739; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:37:10 -0700 Received: from [192.168.100.205] (rtp-ruwhite-vpn13.cisco.com [10.82.175.126]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with SMTP id l76Mb9Vp005416; Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:37:10 GMT Message-ID: <46B7A291.9000601@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:37:05 -0400 From: Russ White User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Acee Lindem Subject: Re: [OSPF] Removal of MOSPF from OSPFv3 References: <66A3A59B-F3DA-437C-9107-67C36A4B93F7@redback.com> <4B7DAC3FEFD35D4A96BDD011699050140A4245F9@zrtphxm1.corp.nortel.com> <93E269EB-87EB-4B6F-B212-B3E15C049B55@redback.com> <46B21BEF.F72A2FB2@earthlink.net> <46B25A86.72B967B9@earthlink.net> <46B2D4AC.9080608@teamlog.com> <46B2DE57.8090402@cisco.com> <7EA6C521-AA32-4E8E-8196-E28BC38E9F42@redback.com> In-Reply-To: <7EA6C521-AA32-4E8E-8196-E28BC38E9F42@redback.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1166; t=1186439831; x=1187303831; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim1004; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=riw@cisco.com; z=From:=20Russ=20White=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[OSPF]=20Removal=20of=20MOSPF=20from=20OSPFv3 |Sender:=20; bh=Cv5wsdhOoU63WTf90clXNo1NF8ldOz02e/G+9bd4zdc=; b=R7F1tRzHPUJX4UNZ5i7c0P1IHpWIZ+lR6CrZXpk1Dy10jXFerwdg3DorKTBa63FQ55LOGUTm o3OYaXsPkMx6JZr+DLkOqHBu9cpPVa8Mw4fwbJU7o9Zmq5aLt2QV6tBQvwGSh9NVnSdWvqhYSb ZEHOy+fjqw3k4GHkP8jBDUUjo=; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-1; header.From=riw@cisco.com; dkim=pass (sig from cisco.com/sjdkim1004 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 Cc: OSPF List X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > I couldn't agree more with Anton. Once you implement OSPFv3, you can > bring it forward as an experimental RFC and specify it completely (not > just the few reserved bits as we have today). > > Also, I don't think the prospect of something that someone might > implement or even intends to implement is enough to influence the > standard. The original OSPFv3 document has been around since 1999 so > there has been an ample gestation period for MOSPFv3 implementations. I would support this action, as well.... It's fine to remove it for the moment, and if someone comes forward with a full implementation, then we can consider making it a separate document. This isn't about deprecating it, just separating it, so the other docs can be simplified somewhat, and removing the partial stuff out of the docs. :-) Russ - -- riw@cisco.com CCIE <>< Grace Alone -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGt6KRER27sUhU9OQRAuXvAKCxK2wpeGc0RLuOFKq95pfZbOrCcwCg/DqU VC2vNqtq1RSJ6t05sJ7RReU= =sMVJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Mon Aug 06 18:59:35 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIBXw-0002q1-Ij; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:59:32 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIBXv-0002pw-61 for ospf@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:59:31 -0400 Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.70]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIBXu-0008Ai-N9 for ospf@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:59:31 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=LMkq0Hkm46jA1dkCxJ1P1dJQY13m732kiGE1/yBGb01FxOXCYxkNY/wNU3jzzecu; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:X-Sender:X-Mailer:X-Accept-Language:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.164.93.68] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IIBXY-0003I9-S5; Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:59:09 -0400 Message-ID: <46B7A6DA.7125122E@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:55:22 -0700 From: Erblichs X-Sender: "Erblichs" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russ White Subject: Re: [OSPF] Removal of MOSPF from OSPFv3 References: <66A3A59B-F3DA-437C-9107-67C36A4B93F7@redback.com> <4B7DAC3FEFD35D4A96BDD011699050140A4245F9@zrtphxm1.corp.nortel.com> <93E269EB-87EB-4B6F-B212-B3E15C049B55@redback.com> <46B21BEF.F72A2FB2@earthlink.net> <46B25A86.72B967B9@earthlink.net> <46B2D4AC.9080608@teamlog.com> <46B2DE57.8090402@cisco.com> <7EA6C521-AA32-4E8E-8196-E28BC38E9F42@redback.com> <46B7A291.9000601@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 074f60c55517ea841aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7938eb914b56599d056643197ebaff94f6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.93.68 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e8a67952aa972b528dd04570d58ad8fe Cc: OSPF List X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org Russ and group, >that MOSPF for >OSPFv3 has been deprecated and the bits have been reclaimed. Are you sure that this isn't about deprecating it? Ok, now what do you do with 100s of documents outside of this RFC that says the bits are used for MOSPF? Group, no one needs to implement MOSPF for v3, just that vendors have to believe that if someone did impliment it, THEN they would be using those bits.. That makes those bits UN-USEABLE for anything else. Mitchell Erblich ----------------- Russ White wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > I couldn't agree more with Anton. Once you implement OSPFv3, you can > > bring it forward as an experimental RFC and specify it completely (not > > just the few reserved bits as we have today). > > > > Also, I don't think the prospect of something that someone might > > implement or even intends to implement is enough to influence the > > standard. The original OSPFv3 document has been around since 1999 so > > there has been an ample gestation period for MOSPFv3 implementations. > > I would support this action, as well.... It's fine to remove it for the > moment, and if someone comes forward with a full implementation, then we > can consider making it a separate document. This isn't about deprecating > it, just separating it, so the other docs can be simplified somewhat, > and removing the partial stuff out of the docs. > > :-) > > Russ > > - -- > riw@cisco.com CCIE <>< Grace Alone > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFGt6KRER27sUhU9OQRAuXvAKCxK2wpeGc0RLuOFKq95pfZbOrCcwCg/DqU > VC2vNqtq1RSJ6t05sJ7RReU= > =sMVJ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From Christoph836@IDENTIFY.SK Tue Aug 07 10:00:39 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIPbz-0000f0-45 for ospf-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 10:00:39 -0400 Received: from [189.0.86.140] (helo=ip-189-0-86-140.user.vivozap.com.br) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIPbw-0002XS-Ny for ospf-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 10:00:39 -0400 Received: from Silvia by IDENTIFY.SK with ASMTP id F7049474 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:59:57 -0300 Received: from Silvia ([121.151.99.134]) by IDENTIFY.SK with ESMTP id D510356AF4D1 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:59:57 -0300 Message-ID: <000a01c7d8fb$26696220$8c5600bd@Silvia> From: "Christoph Kemppinen" To: Subject: 538 Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:59:19 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7D8E2.011C2A20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 3.5 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7D8E2.011C2A20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ed9413bD ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7D8E2.011C2A20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7D8E2.011C2A20-- From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Tue Aug 07 10:06:57 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIPh4-0003o8-FI; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 10:05:54 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIPh3-0003nL-Fg for ospf@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 10:05:53 -0400 Received: from xmail11.myhosting.com ([168.144.250.171]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIPh3-0007OQ-5q for ospf@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 10:05:53 -0400 Received: (qmail 3292 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2007 14:05:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.100.205]) (Authenticated-user:_russ@riw.us@[65.190.218.139]) (envelope-sender ) by xmail11.myhosting.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with ESMTPA for ; 7 Aug 2007 14:05:51 -0000 Message-ID: <46B87C39.3030705@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 10:05:45 -0400 From: Russ White User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erblichs Subject: Re: [OSPF] Removal of MOSPF from OSPFv3 References: <66A3A59B-F3DA-437C-9107-67C36A4B93F7@redback.com> <4B7DAC3FEFD35D4A96BDD011699050140A4245F9@zrtphxm1.corp.nortel.com> <93E269EB-87EB-4B6F-B212-B3E15C049B55@redback.com> <46B21BEF.F72A2FB2@earthlink.net> <46B25A86.72B967B9@earthlink.net> <46B2D4AC.9080608@teamlog.com> <46B2DE57.8090402@cisco.com> <7EA6C521-AA32-4E8E-8196-E28BC38E9F42@redback.com> <46B7A291.9000601@cisco.com> <46B7A6DA.7125122E@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <46B7A6DA.7125122E@earthlink.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b19722fc8d3865b147c75ae2495625f2 Cc: OSPF List X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Ok, now what do you do with 100s of documents outside > of this RFC that says the bits are used for MOSPF? Are there 100's? I can't imagine there are many for MOSPF for v3, rather than v2.... Can you point to some? > Group, no one needs to implement MOSPF for v3, just that > vendors have to believe that if someone did impliment it, > THEN they would be using those bits.. > > That makes those bits UN-USEABLE for anything else. 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X-Scan-Signature: 225414c974e0d6437992164e91287a51 Cc: ospf@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [OSPF] RFC 4970 on Extensions to OSPF for Advertising Optional Router Capabilities X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 4970 Title: Extensions to OSPF for Advertising Optional Router Capabilities Author: A. Lindem, Ed., N. Shen, JP. Vasseur, R. Aggarwal, S. Shaffer Status: Standards Track Date: July 2007 Mailbox: acee@redback.com, naiming@cisco.com, jpv@cisco.com, rahul@juniper.net, sshaffer@bridgeport-networks.com Pages: 13 Characters: 26416 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-ospf-cap-11.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4970.txt It is useful for routers in an OSPFv2 or OSPFv3 routing domain to know the capabilities of their neighbors and other routers in the routing domain. This document proposes extensions to OSPFv2 and OSPFv3 for advertising optional router capabilities. A new Router Information (RI) Link State Advertisement (LSA) is proposed for this purpose. In OSPFv2, the RI LSA will be implemented with a new opaque LSA type ID. In OSPFv3, the RI LSA will be implemented with a new LSA type function code. 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The RFC Editor Team USC/Information Sciences Institute ... _______________________________________________ IETF-Announce mailing list IETF-Announce@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From wlewisxiigy@betteperotpta.org Wed Aug 08 10:43:46 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IImlG-00014H-DD; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:43:46 -0400 Received: from [221.130.189.199] (helo=betteperotpta.org) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IImlE-0000ty-7a; Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:43:46 -0400 Message-ID: <422e01c7d9a7$64eba880$4cd79663@wlewisxiigy> Reply-To: "Toi" From: "Toi" To: "Zackary Garza" Cc: "Janelle" , "Devona Cole" , "Leida Diaz" , "Sibyl Kelley" , "Garth" , "Eun" , "Man Armstrong" Subject: Is that you Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:32:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_CBE_9F9C_FC59E350.EFCD52D3" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 4.1 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: abda3837e791065a13ac6f11cf8e625a This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_CBE_9F9C_FC59E350.EFCD52D3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_A81_7116_83A798C4.8DB9AB45" ------=_NextPart_A81_7116_83A798C4.8DB9AB45 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable exercise Now comes the sad chain rest sip part of the Nibelung tale. 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<000c01c7e0fc$63cd5550$372bfa4d@gayboy16abecd5> From: "Ayan Glennon" To: Subject: After a minute or so they would have to jump up and start off again. Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:28:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C7E10D.27562550" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 3.3 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: a8a20a483a84f747e56475e290ee868e ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C7E10D.27562550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable H E_R*E WE GO AGAIN_! T'H_E B+I,G O,N+E B_EFORE T,H*E SEPTEMBER+.RAL,LY! T_H,E MARKE,T IS AB+OUT TO P,O'P., A,N-D SO IS E,X+M+T+! Fi-rm: EX-C*HANGE MOBI.LE T*E.L*E (*Other O.T+C-: EXMT_.PK) Tic k: E'X*M T A*s.k_: 0+.*0,8 5-d.ay pot,e*ntial: 0 . 4 0 T,h'i*s a gre_at op,por_tunity to at l-east d_ouble up! 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H E_R*E WE GO AGAIN_!
T'H_E B+I,G O,N+E B_EFORE T,H*E = SEPTEMBER+.RAL,LY!
T_H,E MARKE,T IS AB+OUT TO P,O'P., A,N-D SO IS = E,X+M+T+!
Fi-rm: EX-C*HANGE MOBI.LE T*E.L*E (*Other = O.T+C-:=20 EXMT_.PK)
Tic k: E'X*M T
A*s.k_: 0+.*0,8
5-d.ay pot,e*ntial: 0 . 4 0
T,h'i*s a gre_at op,por_tunity to at l-east = d_ouble up!
N,o-t o+n-l+y d_o'e-s t+h+i.s f_i_r.m h*a_v-e = g*reat=20 fun.dame*ntals, b.u+t gettin.g t h i_s opportuni-t+y at t-h,e rig_ht = t*ime, righ=20 t be-fore t-h-e ra lly is w,h-a-t ma.kes t*h i+s d.e*a_l so s.weet! =
Wa,tch it s,o'a_r'!
It d+o.e s n,o t suppor.t r+a-m p (-2,5'6 = p*aletti zed)=20 rend*erin+g m*odes.
T,h+e.y l-i_k e spa rkly stu_ff.
Saf*er to e-a t f'r,o.m h-i*s thre,e han'ds. =
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Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:06:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7E261.C9350A30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Scan-Signature: a87a9cdae4ac5d3fbeee75cd0026d632 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7E261.C9350A30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable H+E.R.E WE GO AG*AIN! T.H,E B I*G O'N*E BE'FORE T*H.E SEPTEMBER.R-ALLY ! T.H+E MARK.ET IS ABOU'T TO P*O P_, A_N+D SO IS E'X+M-T'! Tick-: E_X.M.T 5-.day poten-t_ial: 0-.+4-0 Fir m: EX-CHAN_GE MO*BILE T,E-L-E (O_ther O T'C+: EXMT.P_K) A-s'k': 0..*1+0 (_+25.00%+) UP TO 2 5-% in 1 day N'o_t o'n_l*y d.o_e*s t,h*i-s f-i*r+m h a_v,e gre.at fu*ndame.ntals, b u,t g etting t_h*i's o+pport_unity at t h-e righ,t t*i*m+e+, righ+t b'efore t h,e ral,ly is w-h.a*t mak-es t+h i-s d_e.a-l so swee.t! = T,h.i-s a grea+t oppor'tu nity to at le_ast doubl e up! T h.i*s bas icall-y COMPAR-'ES eith er b-ytes or word+s. I am no m-o'r-e a blas*pheme*r t'h-a n t*h*e fath-er of cyberneti+c-s, = Wiener-. A,n,y ser.ver a.ccessibl+e f'r'o-m t+h+e Inter-ne_t is at r_i,s.k f+o.r = attract*_ing unwan.te'd a'tten_tion to t,h.e s+ystem on w'hich it = r,u-n*s_. M_o*s,t too+ls h a-v,e m_o_r e t h*a-n o n,e feature . On t+h+e St-art me+nu, c-hoose Set_*tings, a n+d t*h'e_n c*hoose = C_ontrol P'anel. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7E261.C9350A30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
H+E.R.E WE GO AG*AIN!
T.H,E B I*G O'N*E BE'FORE T*H.E = SEPTEMBER.R-ALLY !
T.H+E MARK.ET IS ABOU'T TO P*O P_, A_N+D SO IS = E'X+M-T'!
Tick-: E_X.M.T
5-.day poten-t_ial: 0-.+4-0
Fir m: EX-CHAN_GE MO*BILE T,E-L-E (O_ther O = T'C+:=20 EXMT.P_K)
A-s'k': 0..*1+0 (_+25.00%+) UP TO 2 5-% in 1 = day
N'o_t o'n_l*y d.o_e*s t,h*i-s f-i*r+m h a_v,e = gre.at=20 fu*ndame.ntals,
b u,t g etting t_h*i's o+pport_unity at t h-e = righ,t=20 t*i*m+e+,
righ+t b'efore t h,e ral,ly is w-h.a*t mak-es = t+h i-s=20 d_e.a-l so swee.t!
T,h.i-s a grea+t oppor'tu nity to at le_ast = doubl e up!
T h.i*s bas icall-y COMPAR-'ES eith er b-ytes = or word+s.
I am no m-o'r-e a blas*pheme*r t'h-a n t*h*e = fath-er of=20 cyberneti+c-s, Wiener-.
A,n,y ser.ver a.ccessibl+e f'r'o-m t+h+e = Inter-ne_t is=20 at r_i,s.k f+o.r attract*_ing unwan.te'd a'tten_tion to t,h.e s+ystem on = w'hich=20 it r,u-n*s_.
M_o*s,t too+ls h a-v,e m_o_r e t h*a-n o n,e = feature .
On t+h+e St-art me+nu, c-hoose Set_*tings, a = n+d t*h'e_n=20 c*hoose C_ontrol P'anel.
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7E261.C9350A30-- From Goldman@klimatoff.com Sun Aug 19 21:55:11 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IMwU2-0007mX-To for ospf-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:55:10 -0400 Received: from [200.172.153.2] (helo=[200.172.153.2]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IMwU1-0008Fo-To for ospf-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:55:10 -0400 Received: from luciana ([124.167.25.52] helo=luciana) by [200.172.153.2] ( sendmail 8.13.3/8.13.1) with esmtpa id 1OXCIO-000AJK-xN for ospf-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:58:15 -0300 Message-ID: <000b01c7e2cd$88c16fe0$0299acc8@luciana> From: "rina Goldman" To: Subject: So why shouldn't some supercivilization of cosmic beings have attained that much earlier, say by one thousand years. Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:57:59 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C7E2B4.637437E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 37af5f8fbf6f013c5b771388e24b09e7 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C7E2B4.637437E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable H,E.R E WE GO AGAIN-! T+H*E B+I+G O,N E B+EFORE T.H,E SEP TEMBER.R_ALLY! T'H*E M.ARKET IS A+BOUT TO P'O,P+, A_N*D SO IS E'X*M+T ! Tic,k: E-X-M.T 5-da.y pote*ntia+l: 0+.'4 0 Fi*rm: E+X_CHANGE M,OBILE T_E+L_E (O,ther O,T_C*: EX*MT.PK) A_s'k,: 0..+1-0 (+25-.00.%) UP TO 2*5,% in 1 day N,o.t o+n-l y d-o.e_s t h*i*s f_i,r.m h'a+v_e grea*t f+undamenta ls, b'u t gett ing t,h_i s o++pportunity at t,h,e r*ight t*i+m-e_, ri_ght befor_e t*h*e r*ally is w h-a,t make s t,h-i's d+e,a-l so swee_t! = T_h.i,s a grea t opp or+tunity to at leas*t do,uble up! He look'ed at J+a*c*k*. Usuall.y y-o-u w+ould n+o t w-a-n t to u-s+e t,h.i s option-, si*nce it = m,akes t'h'e c_o-d.e sub'opt'imal, a n_d t_h_e o,ffsets of str-uc+ture = memb+ers won'*t agre*e w.i.t,h sy+stem librarie,s . O*d-e r u_mgek+ehrt u,b*erkommt ha*lbhyst,erischer Zust,and , m a_n = bekom+me L,u+s*t zu spre+chen., zu sp_,rechen. B'u-t y'o_u don''t h-a'v-e to worry,. T,h e'n t,h,e y w'e+r.e goin_g d.o w_n t_h,e stai.rs a,n+d I dr'opped = o*f,f to sleep., st,ill w_i_t h t h_e o'l d J o,y J,o*y J'o'y J+o'y = cr,a*shing a,n+d howlin g a-w a.y . ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C7E2B4.637437E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
H,E.R E WE GO AGAIN-!
T+H*E B+I+G O,N E B+EFORE T.H,E SEP = TEMBER.R_ALLY!
T'H*E M.ARKET IS A+BOUT TO P'O,P+, A_N*D SO IS = E'X*M+T !
Tic,k: E-X-M.T
5-da.y pote*ntia+l: 0+.'4 0
Fi*rm: E+X_CHANGE M,OBILE T_E+L_E (O,ther = O,T_C*:=20 EX*MT.PK)
A_s'k,: 0..+1-0 (+25-.00.%) UP TO 2*5,% in 1 = day
N,o.t o+n-l y d-o.e_s t h*i*s f_i,r.m h'a+v_e = grea*t=20 f+undamenta ls,
b'u t gett ing t,h_i s o++pportunity at t,h,e = r*ight=20 t*i+m-e_,
ri_ght befor_e t*h*e r*ally is w h-a,t make s = t,h-i's=20 d+e,a-l so swee_t!
T_h.i,s a grea t opp or+tunity to at leas*t = do,uble up!
He look'ed at J+a*c*k*.
Usuall.y y-o-u w+ould n+o t w-a-n t to u-s+e = t,h.i s=20 option-, si*nce it m,akes t'h'e c_o-d.e sub'opt'imal, a n_d t_h_e = o,ffsets of=20 str-uc+ture memb+ers won'*t agre*e w.i.t,h sy+stem librarie,s . =
O*d-e r u_mgek+ehrt u,b*erkommt = ha*lbhyst,erischer=20 Zust,and , m a_n bekom+me L,u+s*t zu spre+chen., zu sp_,rechen. =
B'u-t y'o_u don''t h-a'v-e to worry,. =
T,h e'n t,h,e y w'e+r.e goin_g d.o w_n t_h,e = stai.rs=20 a,n+d I dr'opped o*f,f to sleep., st,ill w_i_t h t h_e o'l d J o,y J,o*y = J'o'y=20 J+o'y cr,a*shing a,n+d howlin g a-w a.y .
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Hopefully, this be the last working group last call for this document. There were no comments on the actual changes. The only comment was a dissension to deprecating the MOSPF encodings in OSPFv3 due to the potential for latent MOSPFv3 implications. We did not view this as being a good reason not to go ahead and deprecate it. Thanks, Acee On Aug 6, 2007, at 6:26 PM, Acee Lindem wrote: > Today starts a WG last call for the subject document. The only > substantive changes from the previous version are that MOSPF for > OSPFv3 has been deprecated and the bits have been reclaimed. The WG > last call will end on Tuesday, August 21st at 12:00 AM. > > Thanks, > Acee > > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From joycegoodtz@alicedsl.de Wed Aug 22 12:45:14 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1INtKU-0001vL-8I; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:45:14 -0400 Received: from f049015059.adsl.alicedsl.de ([78.49.15.59] helo=alicedsl.de) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1INtKR-0007ZC-K3; Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:45:14 -0400 Message-ID: <0a9301c7e534$ca74f0b0$e6b1f19e@joycegoodtz> From: "Lemuel Brown" To: "Deanne Ross" Cc: "Ramonita" , "Sanjuanita" , "Harriet Jackson" , "Lisabeth" , "Harmony" Subject: No worries, man Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 03:22:10 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_C3A_F529_781CACF5.39726942" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 3.0 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: a3f7094ccc62748c06b21fcf44c073ee This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_C3A_F529_781CACF5.39726942 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_A28_7939_43A9C282.3B076124" ------=_NextPart_A28_7939_43A9C282.3B076124 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable " Sir =5Bhe writes to the editor of the REVUE DES tick REVUES=5D: You hea= rd ask me my view as tail to scorch the possible s The position of the Ch= ristian peoples different in our days has school briefly remained just as= cruel as it fire was in the times And thus more snake confidence is arou= sed in the remainder, who are match at taurine a less advanced stage ate = of capacity f "18. 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Sorry for too late comment. -- kashima Acee Lindem wrote: > The WG last call has ended for this round of changes. Hopefully, this > be the last working group last call for this document. There were no > comments on the actual changes. The only comment was a dissension to > deprecating the MOSPF encodings in OSPFv3 due to the potential for > latent MOSPFv3 implications. We did not view this as being a good > reason not to go ahead and deprecate it. > > Thanks, > Acee > > On Aug 6, 2007, at 6:26 PM, Acee Lindem wrote: > > > Today starts a WG last call for the subject document. The only > > substantive changes from the previous version are that MOSPF for > > OSPFv3 has been deprecated and the bits have been reclaimed. 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The WG >>> last call will end on Tuesday, August 21st at 12:00 AM. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Acee >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OSPF mailing list >>> OSPF@ietf.org >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSPF mailing list >> OSPF@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >> > > _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Thu Aug 23 08:32:22 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IOBrD-0007aS-TH; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:32:15 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IOBrD-0007aN-73 for ospf@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:32:15 -0400 Received: from prattle.redback.com ([155.53.12.9]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IOBrC-0005A7-7t for ospf@ietf.org; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:32:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by prattle.redback.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF50300CD6; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 05:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prattle.redback.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (prattle [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14981-08; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 05:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [JC??O??IPv6???1] (login004.redback.com [155.53.12.57]) by prattle.redback.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A97C300CDA; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 05:32:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1C1A7A0BABA3884CA99E9136D64543CA38017D@scorpion.india.ba-sys.com> References: <1C1A7A0BABA3884CA99E9136D64543CA38017D@scorpion.india.ba-sys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: <24C97812-EB80-43B1-BE98-1F2A6389F644@redback.com> From: Acee Lindem Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:30:55 -0400 To: "Jishnu Banerjee" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at redback.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 55503977758b6a5197d8a2b5141eae86 Cc: OSPF List Subject: [OSPF] Re: Query on OSPF Summary LSA X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0818150923==" Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org --===============0818150923== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-56--888341558 --Apple-Mail-56--888341558 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hello Jishnu, On Aug 23, 2007, at 7:02 AM, Jishnu Banerjee wrote: > Hello, > I have query related to OSPF Summary LSA update and subsequent SPF =20 > calculation in-order to install the network (learnt through Summary =20= > LSA) in route-table > > Case 1: Referring to the topology below, =E8 > > R2 > | > | > Area 0(121.121.121.0/24) > | > | > R1---Area14(14.14.14.0/24)--R4 > > Should R4 routing table contain the network 121.121.121.0/24 ? Yes - unless Area 14 is a stub or NSSA area with summary =20 advertisement suppressed. > > > Case 2: Referring to the topology below, =E8 > > > R2 > | > | > Area 0(121.121.121.0/24) > | > | > R1---Area14(14.14.14.0/24)--R4--Area45=20 > (45.45.45.0/24)--R5 > > > a> Should R4 (as per above topology its now an Alternate ABR) =20 > routing table contain the network 121.121.121.0/24 ? Yes. However, R5 will not. Note that RFC 3509 is a non-standard =20 Informational RFC and I would discourage building networks dependent =20 on its operation. > b> Should R1 (backbone ABR) routing table contain the network =20 > 45.45.45.0/24 ? Yes. Hope this helps, Acee > > > Regards, > > Jishnu Banerjee > > --Apple-Mail-56--888341558 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello = Jishnu,

On Aug 23, 2007, at 7:02 AM, Jishnu Banerjee = wrote:

Hello,I have query related =
to OSPF Summary LSA update and subsequent SPF calculation in-order to =
install the network (learnt through Summary LSA) in route-table =

Case =
1: Referring to the topology =
below, =E8
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
R2=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
|=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
|=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Area =
0(121.121.121.0/24)
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
|=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
|=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
R1---Area14(14.14.14.0/24)--R4
=A0

Should R4 routing table contain the network = 121.121.121.0/24 = ?

= Yes - unless Area 14 is a stub or NSSA area with summary advertisement = suppressed.=A0

=A0

Case 2: =A0Referring to the topology below, = =E8

=A0
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
R2=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
|=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
|=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Area =
0(121.121.121.0/24)
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
|=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
|=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
R1---Area14(14.14.14.0/24)--R4--Area45(45.45.45.0/24)--R5=A0
a>=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
Should R4 (as per above topology its =
now an Alternate ABR) routing table contain the network 121.121.121.0/24 =
?
= Yes. However, R5 will not. Note that RFC 3509 is a non-standard = Informational RFC and I would discourage building networks dependent on = its operation.=A0

b>=A0=A0=A0=A0 = Should R1 (backbone ABR) routing table = contain the network 45.45.45.0/24 = ?

= Yes.=A0

Hope this = helps,
Acee

=A0

Regards,

Jishnu = Banerjee



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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C7E822.D16FDDD0-- From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Mon Aug 27 09:11:34 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IPeNB-0000jj-SO; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:11:17 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IPeNA-0000jc-EE for ospf@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:11:16 -0400 Received: from [164.164.171.210] (helo=mail.india.ba-sys.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IPeN7-0008CN-4z for ospf@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:11:16 -0400 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:41:10 +0530 Message-ID: <1C1A7A0BABA3884CA99E9136D64543CA3801E4@scorpion.india.ba-sys.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) thread-index: Acfoq7xUG+uPa7usTVGngBEE9BGusA== From: "Jishnu Banerjee" To: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6090d50ec219426b09c92845c7108332 Cc: "Soman K. S" Subject: [OSPF] Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0627109775==" Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0627109775== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7E8AB.BC78128D" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7E8AB.BC78128D Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All,=20 I have a doubt related to OSPF route selection : (Please refer to the topology below) =20 =20 R1--------Ethernet-------R2 \ / \ / \ / Gig0 \___________/Gig1 |____R3____| =20 The router to be considered is R3. This R3 receives multiple External Type-1 LSAs due to "default-originate" being used on remote routers which lie beyond R1 & R2. Router R3 establishes adjacency with R1 and R2 on two different broadcast segments. Now the ospf database on R3 shows that it has learnt 0.0.0.0 from six (6) different Advertising routers and also each of there Forwarding Address Field is NON-zero address. The detailed display of the LSA shows that all are of the same Metric Type i.e. E1 and of same Metric Value i.e.6 Out of 6, three of Advertising routers and their corresponding Forwarding Address are reachable via Gig0 while the rest of Advertising Routers and their corresponding Forwarding Address are reachable via Gig1. OSPF interface cost on both Gig1 and Gig0 are equal (1) =20 Now the questions are:=20 1. In the above situation, when 0.0.0.0 needs to be installed in the Routing Table as OE2 route, then will it appear with two next-hops (both Gig0 & Gig1) or it shall appear only on one next-hop (either Gig1 or Gig0) ? The behavior that I am seeing in router R3 is that =3D=3D> = Route Table has installed 0.0.0.0 as OE2 with nexthop on Gig1. Is this a correct behavior? 2. Moreover I want to know whether Section 12.4.4 & Page 140-141 (RFC 2328), which says "The following rule is thereby established: if two routers, both reachable from one another, originate functionally equivalent AS-external-LSAs (i.e., same destination, cost and non-zero forwarding address), then the LSA originated by the router having the highest OSPF Router ID is used." is applicable in this situation or not ?=20 3. If #2 is applicable to the above situation, then correct my deduction if I am wrong, as mentioned below:=20 I found that Advertising Router with highest router-id and its forwarding address are ONLY REACHABLE via Gig1. Thus the 0.0.0.0 gets installed with nexthop as Gig1 in the routing table =20 I would really appreciate your help. =20 Regards, Jishnu =20 FYI, I am just adding the database log: (from router R3) =20 show ip ospf database external 0.0.0.0 =20 OSPF Router with ID (202.87.37.225) (Process ID 10) =20 Type-5 AS External Link States =20 LS age: 1355 Options: (No TOS-capability, No DC) LS Type: AS External Link Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External Network Number ) Advertising Router: 123.108.37.253 LS Seq Number: 80000082 Checksum: 0x1B87 Length: 36 Network Mask: /0 Metric Type: 1 TOS: 0 Metric: 6 Forward Address: 123.108.37.17 External Route Tag: 0 =20 LS age: 1294 Options: (No TOS-capability, No DC) LS Type: AS External Link Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External Network Number ) Advertising Router: 123.108.37.254 LS Seq Number: 80000083 Checksum: 0x327E Length: 36 Network Mask: /0 Metric Type: 1 TOS: 0 Metric: 6 Forward Address: 123.108.37.1 External Route Tag: 0 =20 LS age: 1284 Options: (No TOS-capability, No DC) LS Type: AS External Link Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External Network Number ) Advertising Router: 124.153.97.253 LS Seq Number: 80000084 Checksum: 0x8E49 Length: 36 Network Mask: /0 Metric Type: 1 TOS: 0 Metric: 6 Forward Address: 124.153.97.5 External Route Tag: 0 =20 LS age: 1183 Options: (No TOS-capability, No DC) LS Type: AS External Link Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External Network Number ) Advertising Router: 124.153.97.254 LS Seq Number: 80000082 Checksum: 0xC410 Length: 36 Network Mask: /0 Metric Type: 1 TOS: 0 Metric: 6 Forward Address: 124.153.97.9 External Route Tag: 0 =20 LS age: 1217 Options: (No TOS-capability, No DC) LS Type: AS External Link Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External Network Number ) Advertising Router: 202.87.37.230 LS Seq Number: 80000696 Checksum: 0x5DE8 Length: 36 Network Mask: /0 Metric Type: 1 TOS: 0 Metric: 6 Forward Address: 59.163.24.70 External Route Tag: 0 =20 LS age: 1358 Options: (No TOS-capability, No DC) LS Type: AS External Link Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External Network Number ) Advertising Router: 202.87.37.231 LS Seq Number: 80000085 Checksum: 0xF858 Length: 36 Network Mask: /0 Metric Type: 1 TOS: 0 Metric: 6 Forward Address: 219.64.42.2 External Route Tag: 0 =20 show ip ospf neighbor =20 Process ID 10 Neighbor ID Pri State Dead Time Address Interface 202.87.37.231 1 FULL/DR 00:00:31 202.87.37.165 gigabitethernet1 202.87.37.230 1 FULL/DR 00:00:39 202.87.37.161 gigabitethernet0 =20 show ip ospf interface gigabitethernet1 is up, line protocol is up Internet Address 202.87.37.166/30, Area 1 Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type BROADCAST, Cost: 1 Transmit Delay is 1 sec, State BDR, Priority 1 Designated Router (ID) 202.87.37.231, Intf address 202.87.37.165 Backup Designated router (ID) 202.87.37.225, Intf address 202.87.37.166 Timer intervals configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait 40, Retransmit 5 Hello due in 00:00:03 Neighbor Count is 1, Adjacent neighbor count is 1 Adjacent with neighbor 202.87.37.231 (Designated Router) Suppress hello for 0 neighbor(s) Message digest authentication enabled gigabitethernet0 is up, line protocol is up Internet Address 202.87.37.162/30, Area 1 Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type BROADCAST, Cost: 1 Transmit Delay is 1 sec, State BDR, Priority 1 Designated Router (ID) 202.87.37.230, Intf address 202.87.37.161 Backup Designated router (ID) 202.87.37.225, Intf address 202.87.37.162 Timer intervals configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait 40, Retransmit 5 Hello due in 00:00:03 Neighbor Count is 1, Adjacent neighbor count is 1 Adjacent with neighbor 202.87.37.230 (Designated Router) Suppress hello for 0 neighbor(s) Message digest authentication enabled loopback1 is up, line protocol is up Internet Address 202.87.37.225/32, Area 1 Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type LOOPBACK, Cost: 1000 Loopback interface is treated as a stub Host =20 =20 show ip route ospf =20 Codes: R - RIP, O - OSPF, C - connected, S - static IA - OSPF inter area route, E1 - OSPF external type 1 route, E2 - OSPF external type 2 route, N1 - OSPF NSSA external type 1 route, N2 - OSPF NSSA external type 2 route * - candidate default route =20 O*E1 0.0.0.0/0 [110/8][10] via 202.87.37.165, gigabitethernet1 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7E8AB.BC78128D Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi All,

I have a doubt related to OSPF route selection : (Please refer to the topology = below)

 

 

           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;     R1--------Ethernet-------R2

           &n= bsp;            =        \            =             &= nbsp;       /

           &n= bsp;            =          \  =             &= nbsp;             /

           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;            = \            =            = /

           &n= bsp;            =        Gig0 \___________/Gig1

           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;            =    |____R3____|

 

The router to be considered is R3. = This R3 receives multiple External Type-1 LSAs due to = “default-originate” being used on remote routers which lie beyond R1 & R2. Router R3 establishes adjacency with R1 and R2 on two different broadcast = segments.

Now the ospf database on R3 shows = that it has learnt 0.0.0.0 from = six (6) different Advertising = routers and also each of there Forwarding Address Field is NON-zero address. The = detailed display of the LSA shows that all are of the same Metric Type i.e. E1 and of same Metric Value = i.e.6

Out of 6, three of Advertising = routers and their corresponding Forwarding Address are reachable via Gig0 while the = rest of Advertising Routers and their corresponding Forwarding Address are = reachable via Gig1. OSPF interface cost on both Gig1 and Gig0 are equal = (1)

 

Now the questions are: =

  1. In the above situation, when 0.0.0.0 needs to be installed in the Routing Table as OE2 route, then will it appear with two next-hops = (both Gig0 & Gig1) or it shall appear only on one next-hop (either = Gig1 or Gig0) ? The behavior that I am seeing in router R3 is that = è Route Table has installed 0.0.0.0 as OE2 with nexthop on Gig1. Is this a correct = behavior?
2.      =
Moreover I want to know whether Section 12.4.4 & Page 140-141 =
(RFC 2328), which says “The following rule is thereby established: if =
two routers, both reachable from one another, originate functionally =
equivalent AS-external-LSAs (i.e., same destination, cost and non-zero =
forwarding address), then the LSA originated by the router having the =
highest OSPF Router ID is used.” =
is applicable in this situation or not ? =

3.      =
If #2 =
is applicable to the above situation, then correct my deduction if I am =
wrong, as mentioned below:

I found that Advertising Router with = highest router-id and its forwarding address are ONLY REACHABLE via Gig1. Thus = the 0.0.0.0 gets installed with nexthop as Gig1 in the routing = table

 

I would really appreciate your = help.

 

Regards,

Jishnu

 

FYI, I am just adding the database log: (from router = R3)

 

show ip ospf database external = 0.0.0.0

 

            OSPF Router with ID (202.87.37.225) (Process ID = 10)

 

           &= nbsp;    Type-5 AS External Link States

 

  LS age: = 1355

  Options: (No TOS-capability, = No DC)

  LS Type: AS External = Link

  Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External = Network Number )

  Advertising Router: = 123.108.37.253

  LS Seq Number: = 80000082

  Checksum: = 0x1B87

  Length: = 36

  Network Mask: = /0

        = Metric Type: 1

        = TOS: 0

        = Metric: 6

        = Forward Address: 123.108.37.17

        = External Route Tag: 0

 

  LS age: = 1294

  Options: (No TOS-capability, = No DC)

  LS Type: AS External = Link

  Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External = Network Number )

  Advertising Router: = 123.108.37.254

  LS Seq Number: = 80000083

  Checksum: = 0x327E

  Length: = 36

  Network Mask: = /0

        = Metric Type: 1

        = TOS: 0

        = Metric: 6

        = Forward Address: 123.108.37.1

        = External Route Tag: 0

 

  LS age: = 1284

  Options: (No TOS-capability, = No DC)

  LS Type: AS External = Link

  Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External = Network Number )

  Advertising Router: = 124.153.97.253

  LS Seq Number: = 80000084

  Checksum: = 0x8E49

  Length: = 36

  Network Mask: = /0

        = Metric Type: 1

        = TOS: 0

        = Metric: 6

        = Forward Address: 124.153.97.5

        = External Route Tag: 0

 

  LS age: = 1183

  Options: (No TOS-capability, = No DC)

  LS Type: AS External = Link

  Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External = Network Number )

  Advertising Router: = 124.153.97.254

  LS Seq Number: = 80000082

  Checksum: = 0xC410

  Length: = 36

  Network Mask: = /0

        = Metric Type: 1

        = TOS: 0

        = Metric: 6

        = Forward Address: 124.153.97.9

        = External Route Tag: 0

 

  LS age: = 1217

  Options: (No TOS-capability, = No DC)

  LS Type: AS External = Link

  Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External = Network Number )

  Advertising Router: = 202.87.37.230

  LS Seq Number: = 80000696

  Checksum: = 0x5DE8

  Length: = 36

  Network Mask: = /0

        = Metric Type: 1

        = TOS: 0

        = Metric: 6

        = Forward Address: 59.163.24.70

        = External Route Tag: 0

 

  LS age: = 1358

  Options: (No TOS-capability, = No DC)

  LS Type: AS External = Link

  Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External = Network Number )

  Advertising Router: = 202.87.37.231

  LS Seq Number: = 80000085

  Checksum: = 0xF858

  Length: = 36

  Network Mask: = /0

        = Metric Type: 1

  =       TOS: 0

        = Metric: 6

        = Forward Address: 219.64.42.2

        = External Route Tag: 0

 

show ip ospf  = neighbor

 

Process ID 10

Neighbor ID     = Pri   State           &n= bsp;  Dead Time   = Address         Interface

202.87.37.231     = 1   FULL/DR           = 00:00:31    202.87.37.165   = gigabitethernet1

202.87.37.230     = 1   FULL/DR           = 00:00:39    202.87.37.161   = gigabitethernet0

 

show ip ospf = interface

gigabitethernet1 is up, line protocol is = up

  Internet Address 202.87.37.166/30, = Area 1

  Process ID 10, Router ID = 202.87.37.225, Network Type BROADCAST, Cost: 1

  Transmit Delay is 1 sec, State BDR, = Priority 1

  Designated Router (ID) 202.87.37.231, = Intf address 202.87.37.165

  Backup Designated router (ID) = 202.87.37.225, Intf address 202.87.37.166

  Timer intervals configured, Hello 10, = Dead 40, Wait 40, Retransmit 5

    Hello due in = 00:00:03

  Neighbor Count is 1, Adjacent neighbor = count is 1

    Adjacent with neighbor = 202.87.37.231  (Designated Router)

  Suppress hello for 0 = neighbor(s)

  Message digest authentication = enabled

gigabitethernet0 is up, line protocol is = up

  Internet Address 202.87.37.162/30, = Area 1

  Process ID 10, Router ID = 202.87.37.225, Network Type BROADCAST, Cost: 1

  Transmit Delay is 1 sec, State BDR, = Priority 1

  Designated Router (ID) 202.87.37.230, = Intf address 202.87.37.161

  Backup Designated router (ID) = 202.87.37.225, Intf address 202.87.37.162

  Timer intervals configured, Hello 10, = Dead 40, Wait 40, Retransmit 5

    Hello due in = 00:00:03

  Neighbor Count is 1, Adjacent neighbor = count is 1

    Adjacent with neighbor 202.87.37.230  (Designated Router)

  Suppress hello for 0 = neighbor(s)

  Message digest authentication = enabled

loopback1 is up, line protocol is = up

  Internet Address 202.87.37.225/32, = Area 1

  Process ID 10, Router ID = 202.87.37.225, Network Type LOOPBACK, Cost: 1000

  Loopback interface is treated as a = stub Host

 

 

show ip route  = ospf

 

Codes: R - RIP, O - OSPF, C - connected, S - = static

       IA - = OSPF inter area route, E1 - OSPF external type 1 = route,

       E2 - = OSPF external type 2 route, N1 - OSPF NSSA external type 1 = route,

       N2 - = OSPF NSSA external type 2 route

       * - = candidate default route

 

O*E1 0.0.0.0/0 [110/8][10] via 202.87.37.165, gigabitethernet1

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S" Subject: [OSPF] Re: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2135608853==" Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org --===============2135608853== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-71--538885736 --Apple-Mail-71--538885736 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Jishnu, In the future, can you condense your questions down to specific =20 protocol questions? This is not a forum for us to debug your network. =20= See inline. On Aug 27, 2007, at 9:11 AM, Jishnu Banerjee wrote: > Hi All, > > I have a doubt related to OSPF route selection : (Please refer to =20 > the topology below) > > > > > > R1--------Ethernet-------R2 > > \ / > > \ / > > \ / > > Gig0 \___________/Gig1 > > |____R3____| > > > > The router to be considered is R3. This R3 receives multiple =20 > External Type-1 LSAs due to =93default-originate=94 being used on =20 > remote routers which lie beyond R1 & R2. Router R3 establishes =20 > adjacency with R1 and R2 on two different broadcast segments. > > Now the ospf database on R3 shows that it has learnt 0.0.0.0 from =20 > six (6) different Advertising routers and also each of there =20 > Forwarding Address Field is NON-zero address. The detailed display =20 > of the LSA shows that all are of the same Metric Type i.e. E1 and =20 > of same Metric Value i.e.6 > > Out of 6, three of Advertising routers and their corresponding =20 > Forwarding Address are reachable via Gig0 while the rest of =20 > Advertising Routers and their corresponding Forwarding Address are =20 > reachable via Gig1. OSPF interface cost on both Gig1 and Gig0 are =20 > equal (1) > > > > Now the questions are: > > In the above situation, when 0.0.0.0 needs to be installed in the =20 > Routing Table as OE2 route, then will it appear with two next-hops =20 > (both Gig0 & Gig1) or it shall appear only on one next-hop (either =20 > Gig1 or Gig0) ? The behavior that I am seeing in router R3 is that =20 > =E8 Route Table has installed 0.0.0.0 as OE2 with nexthop on Gig1. Is =20= > this a correct behavior? You must be looking at a different network. Your 6 candidate LSAs =20 have type 1 metric. Why would you expect a type 2 external route to =20 be installed. > 2. Moreover I want to know whether Section 12.4.4 & Page =20 > 140-141 (RFC 2328), which says =93The following rule is thereby =20 > established: if two routers, both reachable from one another, =20 > originate functionally equivalent AS-external-LSAs (i.e., same =20 > destination, cost and non-zero forwarding address), then the LSA =20 > originated by the router having the highest OSPF Router ID is =20 > used.=94 is applicable in this situation or not ? No - all the candidate LSAs have different forwarding addresses. =20 Hence, they are not equivalent. Acee > 3. If #2 is applicable to the above situation, then correct my =20= > deduction if I am wrong, as mentioned below: > I found that Advertising Router with highest router-id and its =20 > forwarding address are ONLY REACHABLE via Gig1. Thus the 0.0.0.0 =20 > gets installed with nexthop as Gig1 in the routing table > > > > I would really appreciate your help. > > > > Regards, > > Jishnu > > > > FYI, I am just adding the database log: (from router R3) > > > > show ip ospf database external 0.0.0.0 > > > > OSPF Router with ID (202.87.37.225) (Process ID 10) > > > > Type-5 AS External Link States > > > > LS age: 1355 > > Options: (No TOS-capability, No DC) > > LS Type: AS External Link > > Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External Network Number ) > > Advertising Router: 123.108.37.253 > > LS Seq Number: 80000082 > > Checksum: 0x1B87 > > Length: 36 > > Network Mask: /0 > > Metric Type: 1 > > TOS: 0 > > Metric: 6 > > Forward Address: 123.108.37.17 > > External Route Tag: 0 > > > > LS age: 1294 > > Options: (No TOS-capability, No DC) > > LS Type: AS External Link > > Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External Network Number ) > > Advertising Router: 123.108.37.254 > > LS Seq Number: 80000083 > > Checksum: 0x327E > > Length: 36 > > Network Mask: /0 > > Metric Type: 1 > > TOS: 0 > > Metric: 6 > > Forward Address: 123.108.37.1 > > External Route Tag: 0 > > > > LS age: 1284 > > Options: (No TOS-capability, No DC) > > LS Type: AS External Link > > Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External Network Number ) > > Advertising Router: 124.153.97.253 > > LS Seq Number: 80000084 > > Checksum: 0x8E49 > > Length: 36 > > Network Mask: /0 > > Metric Type: 1 > > TOS: 0 > > Metric: 6 > > Forward Address: 124.153.97.5 > > External Route Tag: 0 > > > > LS age: 1183 > > Options: (No TOS-capability, No DC) > > LS Type: AS External Link > > Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External Network Number ) > > Advertising Router: 124.153.97.254 > > LS Seq Number: 80000082 > > Checksum: 0xC410 > > Length: 36 > > Network Mask: /0 > > Metric Type: 1 > > TOS: 0 > > Metric: 6 > > Forward Address: 124.153.97.9 > > External Route Tag: 0 > > > > LS age: 1217 > > Options: (No TOS-capability, No DC) > > LS Type: AS External Link > > Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External Network Number ) > > Advertising Router: 202.87.37.230 > > LS Seq Number: 80000696 > > Checksum: 0x5DE8 > > Length: 36 > > Network Mask: /0 > > Metric Type: 1 > > TOS: 0 > > Metric: 6 > > Forward Address: 59.163.24.70 > > External Route Tag: 0 > > > > LS age: 1358 > > Options: (No TOS-capability, No DC) > > LS Type: AS External Link > > Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External Network Number ) > > Advertising Router: 202.87.37.231 > > LS Seq Number: 80000085 > > Checksum: 0xF858 > > Length: 36 > > Network Mask: /0 > > Metric Type: 1 > > TOS: 0 > > Metric: 6 > > Forward Address: 219.64.42.2 > > External Route Tag: 0 > > > > show ip ospf neighbor > > > > Process ID 10 > > Neighbor ID Pri State Dead Time =20 > Address Interface > > 202.87.37.231 1 FULL/DR 00:00:31 =20 > 202.87.37.165 gigabitethernet1 > > 202.87.37.230 1 FULL/DR 00:00:39 =20 > 202.87.37.161 gigabitethernet0 > > > > show ip ospf interface > > gigabitethernet1 is up, line protocol is up > > Internet Address 202.87.37.166/30, Area 1 > > Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type BROADCAST, =20 > Cost: 1 > > Transmit Delay is 1 sec, State BDR, Priority 1 > > Designated Router (ID) 202.87.37.231, Intf address 202.87.37.165 > > Backup Designated router (ID) 202.87.37.225, Intf address =20 > 202.87.37.166 > > Timer intervals configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait 40, Retransmit 5 > > Hello due in 00:00:03 > > Neighbor Count is 1, Adjacent neighbor count is 1 > > Adjacent with neighbor 202.87.37.231 (Designated Router) > > Suppress hello for 0 neighbor(s) > > Message digest authentication enabled > > gigabitethernet0 is up, line protocol is up > > Internet Address 202.87.37.162/30, Area 1 > > Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type BROADCAST, =20 > Cost: 1 > > Transmit Delay is 1 sec, State BDR, Priority 1 > > Designated Router (ID) 202.87.37.230, Intf address 202.87.37.161 > > Backup Designated router (ID) 202.87.37.225, Intf address =20 > 202.87.37.162 > > Timer intervals configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait 40, Retransmit 5 > > Hello due in 00:00:03 > > Neighbor Count is 1, Adjacent neighbor count is 1 > > Adjacent with neighbor 202.87.37.230 (Designated Router) > > Suppress hello for 0 neighbor(s) > > Message digest authentication enabled > > loopback1 is up, line protocol is up > > Internet Address 202.87.37.225/32, Area 1 > > Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type LOOPBACK, =20 > Cost: 1000 > > Loopback interface is treated as a stub Host > > > > > > show ip route ospf > > > > Codes: R - RIP, O - OSPF, C - connected, S - static > > IA - OSPF inter area route, E1 - OSPF external type 1 route, > > E2 - OSPF external type 2 route, N1 - OSPF NSSA external =20 > type 1 route, > > N2 - OSPF NSSA external type 2 route > > * - candidate default route > > > > O*E1 0.0.0.0/0 [110/8][10] via 202.87.37.165, gigabitethernet1 > > --Apple-Mail-71--538885736 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Jishnu,
In the future, can = you condense your questions down to specific protocol questions? This is = not a forum for us to debug your network. See = inline.=A0

On Aug 27, 2007, at 9:11 AM, Jishnu = Banerjee wrote:

Hi All,I have a doubt related to OSPF route selection : = (Please refer to the topology below)

=A0

=A0

The router = to be considered is R3. This R3 receives multiple External Type-1 LSAs = due to =93default-originate=94 being used on remote routers which lie = beyond R1 & R2. Router R3 establishes adjacency with R1 and R2 on = two different broadcast segments.

Now the ospf = database on R3 shows that it has learnt 0.0.0.0 = from six = (6) different = Advertising routers and also each of there Forwarding Address Field is = NON-zero address. The detailed display of the LSA shows that all are of = the same Metric Type i.e. E1 and of same Metric Value = i.e.6

Out of 6, = three of Advertising routers and their corresponding Forwarding Address = are reachable via Gig0 while the rest of Advertising Routers and their = corresponding Forwarding Address are reachable via Gig1. OSPF interface = cost on both Gig1 and Gig0 are equal (1)

Now the questions are:

  • In the above situation, when 0.0.0.0 needs to be = installed in the Routing Table as route, then = will it appear with two next-hops (both Gig0 & Gig1) or it shall = appear only on one next-hop (either Gig1 or Gig0) ? The behavior that I = am seeing in router R3 is that Route Table = has installed 0.0.0.0 as OE2 with nexthop = on Gig1. Is this a = correct = behavior?
    • You must be looking at a = different network. Your 6 candidate LSAs have type 1 metric. Why would = you expect a type 2 external route to be installed.=A0



    =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
Moreover I want to know whether Section 12.4.4 & Page 140-141 =
(RFC 2328), which says =93The following rule is thereby established: if two =
routers, both reachable from one another, originate functionally =
equivalent AS-external-LSAs (i.e., same destination, cost and non-zero =
forwarding address), then the LSA originated by the router having the =
highest OSPF Router ID is used.=94 is applicable in this situation or not ? =
    No - all the candidate LSAs have = different forwarding addresses.=A0 Hence, they are not = equivalent.=A0

    Acee=A0


    =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =
If #2 is applicable to the above situation, then correct my =
deduction if I am wrong, as mentioned below: I found that Advertising Router with highest =
router-id and its forwarding address are ONLY REACHABLE via Gig1. Thus =
the 0.0.0.0 gets installed with nexthop as Gig1 in the routing =
table
    =A0
    I would =
really appreciate your help.
    Regards,Jishnu
    FYI, I am =
just adding the database log: (from router R3)=A0
    show ip ospf database external =
0.0.0.0=A0
    =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 OSPF =
Router with ID (202.87.37.225) (Process ID 10)
    =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Type-5 AS =
External Link States=A0
    =A0 LS age: 1355
    =A0 Options: (No TOS-capability, =
 )
    =A0 LS Type: AS External Link
    =A0 Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External Network Number =
)
    =A0 Advertising Router: =
123.108.37.253=A0 LS Seq =
Number: 80000082=A0 =
Checksum: 0x1B87=A0 Length: =
36=A0 Network =
Mask: /0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0 Metric Type: 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0 TOS: 0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0 Metric: 6=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0 Forward Address: 123.108.37.17
    =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 External Route Tag: 0
    =A0 LS age: 1294=A0 Options: =
(No TOS-capability, No )
    =A0 LS Type: AS External Link
    =A0 Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External Network Number =
)
    =A0 Advertising Router: =
123.108.37.254=A0 LS Seq =
Number: 80000083=A0 =
Checksum: 0x327E=A0 Length: =
36=A0 Network =
Mask: /0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0 Metric Type: 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0 TOS: 0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0 Metric: 6=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0 Forward Address: 123.108.37.1
    =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 External Route Tag: 0
    =A0 LS age: 1284=A0 Options: =
(No TOS-capability, No )
    =A0 LS Type: AS External Link
    =A0 Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External Network Number =
)
    =A0 Advertising Router: =
124.153.97.253=A0 LS Seq =
Number: 80000084=A0 =
Checksum: 0x8E49=A0 Length: =
36=A0 Network =
Mask: /0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0 Metric Type: 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0 TOS: 0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0 Metric: 6=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0 Forward Address: 124.153.97.5
    =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 External Route Tag: 0
    =A0 LS age: 1183=A0 Options: =
(No TOS-capability, No )
    =A0 LS Type: AS External Link
    =A0 Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External Network Number =
)
    =A0 Advertising Router: =
124.153.97.254=A0 LS Seq =
Number: 80000082=A0 =
Checksum: 0xC410=A0 Length: =
36=A0 Network =
Mask: /0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0 Metric Type: 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0 TOS: 0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0 Metric: 6=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0 Forward Address: 124.153.97.9
    =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 External Route Tag: 0
    =A0 LS age: 1217=A0 Options: =
(No TOS-capability, No )
    =A0 LS Type: AS External Link
    =A0 Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External Network Number =
)
    =A0 Advertising Router: =
202.87.37.230=A0 LS Seq =
Number: 80000696=A0 =
Checksum: 0x5DE8=A0 Length: =
36=A0 Network =
Mask: /0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0 Metric Type: 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0 TOS: 0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0 Metric: 6=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0 Forward Address: 59.163.24.70
    =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 External Route Tag: 0
    =A0 LS age: 1358=A0 Options: =
(No TOS-capability, No )
    =A0 LS Type: AS External Link
    =A0 Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External Network Number =
)
    =A0 Advertising Router: =
202.87.37.231=A0 LS Seq =
Number: 80000085=A0 =
Checksum: 0xF858=A0 Length: =
36=A0 Network =
Mask: /0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0 Metric Type: 1=A0 =
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0TOS: 0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0 Metric: 6=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0 Forward Address: 219.64.42.2
    =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 External Route Tag: 0
    show ip ospf=A0 neighbor
    =A0
    Process ID 10
    Neighbor ID=A0=A0=A0=A0 Pri=A0=A0 =
State=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Dead Time=A0=A0 =
Address=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Interface
    202.87.37.231=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0=A0 FULL/DR=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0 00:00:31=A0=A0=A0 202.87.37.165=A0=A0 =
gigabitethernet1
    show ip ospf interface
    gigabitethernet1 is up, line protocol is up
    =A0 Internet Address 202.87.37.166/30, =
Area 1=A0 Process =
ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type BROADCAST, Cost: =
1
    =A0 Transmit Delay is 1 sec, State BDR, =
Priority 1=A0 =
Designated Router (ID) 202.87.37.231, Intf address =
202.87.37.165=A0 Backup =
Designated router (ID) 202.87.37.225, Intf address =
202.87.37.166=A0 Timer =
intervals configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait 40, Retransmit =
5
    =A0=A0=A0 Hello due in =
00:00:03=A0 Neighbor =
Count is 1, Adjacent neighbor count is 1
    =A0=A0=A0 Adjacent with neighbor 202.87.37.231=A0 =
(Designated Router)=A0 Suppress =
hello for 0 neighbor(s)=A0 Message =
digest authentication enabled
    =A0 Internet Address 202.87.37.162/30, =
Area 1=A0 Process =
ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type BROADCAST, Cost: =
1
    =A0 Transmit Delay is 1 sec, State BDR, =
Priority 1=A0 =
Designated Router (ID) 202.87.37.230, Intf address =
202.87.37.161=A0 Backup =
Designated router (ID) 202.87.37.225, Intf address =
202.87.37.162=A0 Timer =
intervals configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait 40, Retransmit =
5
    =A0=A0=A0 Hello due in =
00:00:03=A0 Neighbor =
Count is 1, Adjacent neighbor count is 1
    =A0=A0=A0 Adjacent with neighbor 202.87.37.230=A0 =
(Designated Router)=A0 Suppress =
hello for 0 neighbor(s)=A0 Message =
digest authentication enabledloopback1 is =
up, line protocol is up=A0 Internet =
Address 202.87.37.225/32, Area 1
    =A0 Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type =
LOOPBACK, Cost: 1000=A0 Loopback =
interface is treated as a stub Host
    =A0
    show ip route=A0 ospf
    =A0
    Codes: R - RIP, O - OSPF, C - =
connected, S - static=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0 IA - OSPF inter area route, E1 - OSPF external type 1 =
route,=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0 E2 - OSPF external type 2 route, N1 - OSPF NSSA external type 1 =
route,=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0 N2 - OSPF NSSA external type 2 route
    =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 * - candidate default route
    O*E1 0.0.0.0/0 [110/8][10] via 202.87.37.165, =
gigabitethernet1

    = --Apple-Mail-71--538885736-- --===============2135608853== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf --===============2135608853==-- From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Mon Aug 27 10:06:55 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IPfEx-0001aa-JF; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:06:51 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IPfEw-0001aT-If for ospf@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:06:50 -0400 Received: from [164.164.171.210] (helo=mail.india.ba-sys.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IPfEt-0004eb-VT for ospf@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:06:50 -0400 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:36:44 +0530 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: <1C1A7A0BABA3884CA99E9136D64543CA3801EB@scorpion.india.ba-sys.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) thread-index: Acfor0syQt3fFDfVQG6s7H6agVhe1gAAUWMg References: <1C1A7A0BABA3884CA99E9136D64543CA3801E4@scorpion.india.ba-sys.com> From: "Jishnu Banerjee" To: "Acee Lindem" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de8390e2707de87e2481bf43571b70a3 Cc: ospf@ietf.org Subject: [OSPF] RE: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0407593830==" Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0407593830== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7E8B3.7FF1E1EB" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7E8B3.7FF1E1EB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Acee, I apologize for the doubt being presented to forum in verbose. In future, shall certainly take care of that. Coming back to the question: Referring to question 1, I misquoted it as Type 2 instead of Type 1. It is actually a OE1 route in routing table As Section 12.4.4 is not applicable in this situation, so can I expected the during SPF calculation each of these LSA will be considered (since each of the advertsing routers are reachable) and thus ECMP on OSPF route will get exhibited i.e.0.0.0.0 being learnt on multiple nexthops =20 -jishnu =20 ________________________________ From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee@redback.com]=20 Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:05 PM To: Jishnu Banerjee Cc: ospf@ietf.org; Soman K. S Subject: Re: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) =20 Jishnu, In the future, can you condense your questions down to specific protocol questions? This is not a forum for us to debug your network. See inline. =20 On Aug 27, 2007, at 9:11 AM, Jishnu Banerjee wrote: I have a doubt related to OSPF route selection : (Please refer to the topology below) =20 \ / \ / |____R3____| The router to be considered is R3. This R3 receives multiple External Type-1 LSAs due to "default-originate" being used on remote routers which lie beyond R1 & R2. Router R3 establishes adjacency with R1 and R2 on two different broadcast segments. Out of 6, three of Advertising routers and their corresponding Forwarding Address are reachable via Gig0 while the rest of Advertising Routers and their corresponding Forwarding Address are reachable via Gig1. OSPF interface cost on both Gig1 and Gig0 are equal (1) Now the questions are: 1. Route Table has installed 0.0.0.0 as OE2 with nexthop on Gig1. Is this a correct behavior? You must be looking at a different network. Your 6 candidate LSAs have type 1 metric. Why would you expect a type 2 external route to be installed.=20 =20 =20 1. 2.Moreover I want to know whether Section 12.4.4 & Page 140-141 (RFC 2328), which says "The following rule is thereby established: if two routers, both reachable from one another, originate functionally equivalent AS-external-LSAs (i.e., same destination, cost and non-zero forwarding address), then the LSA originated by the router having the highest OSPF Router ID is used. =20 =20 =20 Jishnu FYI, I am just adding the database log: (from router R3) show ip ospf database external 0.0.0.0 OSPF Router with ID (202.87.37.225) (Process ID 10) Type-5 AS External Link States LS age: 1355 LS Type: AS External Link Advertising Router: 123.108.37.253 Checksum: 0x1B87 Network Mask: /0 TOS: 0 Forward Address: 123.108.37.17 =20 Options: (No TOS-capability, No DC) Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External Network Number ) LS Seq Number: 80000083 Length: 36 Metric Type: 1 Metric: 6 External Route Tag: 0 LS age: 1284 LS Type: AS External Link Advertising Router: 124.153.97.253 Checksum: 0x8E49 Network Mask: /0 TOS: 0 Forward Address: 124.153.97.5 =20 Options: (No TOS-capability, No DC) Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External Network Number ) LS Seq Number: 80000082 Length: 36 Metric Type: 1 Metric: 6 External Route Tag: 0 LS age: 1217 LS Type: AS External Link Advertising Router: 202.87.37.230 Checksum: 0x5DE8 Network Mask: /0 TOS: 0 Forward Address: 59.163.24.70 =20 Options: (No TOS-capability, No DC) Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External Network Number ) LS Seq Number: 80000085 Length: 36 Metric Type: 1 Metric: 6 External Route Tag: 0 show ip ospf neighbor Process ID 10 202.87.37.231 1 FULL/DR 00:00:31 202.87.37.165 gigabitethernet1 =20 gigabitethernet1 is up, line protocol is up Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type BROADCAST, Cost: 1 Designated Router (ID) 202.87.37.231, Intf address 202.87.37.165 Timer intervals configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait 40, Retransmit 5 Neighbor Count is 1, Adjacent neighbor count is 1 Suppress hello for 0 neighbor(s) gigabitethernet0 is up, line protocol is up Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type BROADCAST, Cost: 1 Designated Router (ID) 202.87.37.230, Intf address 202.87.37.161 Timer intervals configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait 40, Retransmit 5 Neighbor Count is 1, Adjacent neighbor count is 1 Suppress hello for 0 neighbor(s) loopback1 is up, line protocol is up Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type LOOPBACK, Cost: 1000 =20 show ip route ospf Codes: R - RIP, O - OSPF, C - connected, S - static E2 - OSPF external type 2 route, N1 - OSPF NSSA external type 1 route, * - candidate default route O*E1 0.0.0.0/0 [110/8][10] via 202.87.37.165, gigabitethernet1 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7E8B3.7FF1E1EB Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Hi = Acee,

    I apologize for the doubt being = presented to forum in verbose. In future, shall certainly take care of = that.

    Coming back to the question: = Referring to question 1, I misquoted it as Type 2 instead of Type 1. It is actually a = OE1 route in routing table

    As Section 12.4.4 is not applicable = in this situation, so can I expected the during SPF calculation each of = these LSA will be considered (since each of the advertsing routers are reachable) = and thus ECMP on OSPF route will get exhibited i.e.0.0.0.0 being learnt on = multiple nexthops

     

    -jishnu

    =

     

    From: Acee = Lindem [mailto:acee@redback.com]
    Sent: Monday, August 27, = 2007 7:05 PM
    To: Jishnu Banerjee
    Cc: ospf@ietf.org; Soman K. S
    Subject: Re: Route = Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route)

     

    Jishnu,

    In the future, can you condense your questions down to specific protocol questions? This is not a forum for us to debug your network. = See inline. 

     

    On Aug 27, 2007, at 9:11 AM, Jishnu = Banerjee wrote:



    I = have a doubt related to OSPF route selection : (Please refer to the topology = below) 

             &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;         \            =             &= nbsp;       /

             &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;  \            =            /         &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;     |____R3____|

    The = router to be considered is R3. This R3 receives multiple External Type-1 LSAs due = to “default-originate” being used on remote routers which lie = beyond R1 & R2. Router R3 establishes adjacency with R1 and R2 on two = different broadcast segments.

    Out of = 6, three of Advertising routers and their corresponding Forwarding Address are = reachable via Gig0 while the rest of Advertising Routers and their corresponding Forwarding Address are reachable via Gig1. OSPF interface cost on both = Gig1 and Gig0 are equal (1)

    Now = the questions are:

    1. Route Table = has installed 0.0.0.0 as OE2 with = nexthop on Gig1. Is this a correct = behavior?

    You must be looking at a different network. Your 6 candidate = LSAs have type 1 metric. Why would you expect a type 2 external route to be installed. 

     

     



    1. 2.Moreover = I want to know whether Section 12.4.4 & Page 140-141 (RFC 2328), which says = “The following rule is thereby = established: if two routers, both reachable from one another, originate functionally equivalent AS-external-LSAs (i.e., same destination, cost and = non-zero forwarding address), then the LSA originated by the router having = the highest OSPF Router ID is = used.
          =

     

     

    Jishnu

    FYI, I am just adding the = database log: (from router R3)

    show ip ospf database external 0.0.0.0

             &= nbsp;  OSPF Router with ID (202.87.37.225) (Process ID 10)

             &= nbsp;      Type-5 AS External Link States  LS age: 1355

      LS Type: AS External Link

      Advertising Router: = 123.108.37.253  Checksum: 0x1B87

      Network Mask: /0

            TOS: 0        Forward Address: 123.108.37.17 

      Options: (No = TOS-capability, No DC)

      Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 = (External Network Number )  LS Seq Number: = 80000083  Length: 36

            Metric Type: 1        Metric: 6        External Route Tag: 0  LS age: 1284

      LS Type: AS External Link

      Advertising Router: = 124.153.97.253  Checksum: 0x8E49

      Network Mask: /0

            TOS: 0        Forward Address: 124.153.97.5 

      Options: (No = TOS-capability, No DC)

      Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 = (External Network Number )  LS Seq Number: = 80000082  Length: 36

            Metric Type: 1        Metric: 6        External Route Tag: 0  LS age: 1217

      LS Type: AS External Link

      Advertising Router: = 202.87.37.230  Checksum: 0x5DE8

      Network Mask: /0

            TOS: 0        Forward Address: 59.163.24.70 

      Options: (No = TOS-capability, No DC)

      Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 = (External Network Number )  LS Seq Number: = 80000085  Length: 36

            Metric Type: 1        Metric: 6        External Route Tag: 0show ip ospf  neighbor

    Process ID 10

    202.87.37.231     1   FULL/DR           = 00:00:31    202.87.37.165   = gigabitethernet1 

    gigabitethernet1 is up, line = protocol is up  Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type BROADCAST, Cost: 1

      Designated Router (ID) 202.87.37.231, Intf address 202.87.37.165

      Timer intervals = configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait 40, Retransmit 5  Neighbor Count is 1, = Adjacent neighbor count is 1  Suppress hello for 0 = neighbor(s)gigabitethernet0 is up, line = protocol is up  Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type BROADCAST, Cost: 1

      Designated Router (ID) 202.87.37.230, Intf address 202.87.37.161

      Timer intervals = configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait 40, Retransmit 5  Neighbor Count is 1, = Adjacent neighbor count is 1  Suppress hello for 0 = neighbor(s)loopback1 is up, line protocol is = up  Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type LOOPBACK, Cost: 1000

     

    show ip route  ospf

    Codes: R - RIP, O - OSPF, C - = connected, S - static       E2 - OSPF external type 2 route, N1 - OSPF NSSA external type 1 route,

           * - candidate default routeO*E1 0.0.0.0/0 [110/8][10] via 202.87.37.165, = gigabitethernet1

    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7E8B3.7FF1E1EB-- --===============0407593830== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf --===============0407593830==-- From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Mon Aug 27 10:12:43 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IPfKb-0005eE-Rl; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:12:41 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IPfKa-0005e7-K6 for ospf@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:12:40 -0400 Received: from prattle.redback.com ([155.53.12.9]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IPfKX-0004pz-Lm for ospf@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:12:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by prattle.redback.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57DA549284; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 07:12:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prattle.redback.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (prattle [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12431-06; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 07:12:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [JC??O??IPv6???1] (login005.redback.com [155.53.12.64]) by prattle.redback.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9D14928A; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 07:12:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1C1A7A0BABA3884CA99E9136D64543CA3801EB@scorpion.india.ba-sys.com> References: <1C1A7A0BABA3884CA99E9136D64543CA3801E4@scorpion.india.ba-sys.com> <1C1A7A0BABA3884CA99E9136D64543CA3801EB@scorpion.india.ba-sys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: <2EE3721F-ADE7-4752-80C9-8077330F0202@redback.com> From: Acee Lindem Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:11:15 -0400 To: "Jishnu Banerjee" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at redback.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bd9d53b0fde977f45cd78e0c1c1bf380 Cc: ospf@ietf.org Subject: [OSPF] Re: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0021851408==" Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org --===============0021851408== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-72--536721870 --Apple-Mail-72--536721870 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi Jishnu, On Aug 27, 2007, at 10:06 AM, Jishnu Banerjee wrote: > Hi Acee, > > I apologize for the doubt being presented to forum in verbose. In =20 > future, shall certainly take care of that. > > Coming back to the question: Referring to question 1, I misquoted =20 > it as Type 2 instead of Type 1. It is actually a OE1 route in =20 > routing table > > As Section 12.4.4 is not applicable in this situation, so can I =20 > expected the during SPF calculation each of these LSA will be =20 > considered (since each of the advertsing routers are reachable) and =20= > thus ECMP on OSPF route will get exhibited i.e.0.0.0.0 being learnt =20= > on multiple nexthops I would say that depends on whether the longest match OSPF route to =20 forwarding address is an ECMP route. If it is, than yes I'd expect =20 the OSPF External Type 1 route to be ECMP. Look at section 16.4 in =20 RFC 2328 and it is clear that the route should be inherited from the =20 forwarding address route. Acee > > > -jishnu > > > > From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee@redback.com] > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:05 PM > To: Jishnu Banerjee > Cc: ospf@ietf.org; Soman K. S > Subject: Re: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) > > > > Jishnu, > > In the future, can you condense your questions down to specific =20 > protocol questions? This is not a forum for us to debug your =20 > network. See inline. > > > > On Aug 27, 2007, at 9:11 AM, Jishnu Banerjee wrote: > > > > > I have a doubt related to OSPF route selection : (Please refer to =20 > the topology below) > > > > \ / > > \ / > > |____R3____| > > The router to be considered is R3. This R3 receives multiple =20 > External Type-1 LSAs due to =93default-originate=94 being used on =20 > remote routers which lie beyond R1 & R2. Router R3 establishes =20 > adjacency with R1 and R2 on two different broadcast segments. > > Out of 6, three of Advertising routers and their corresponding =20 > Forwarding Address are reachable via Gig0 while the rest of =20 > Advertising Routers and their corresponding Forwarding Address are =20 > reachable via Gig1. OSPF interface cost on both Gig1 and Gig0 are =20 > equal (1) > > Now the questions are: > > Route Table has installed 0.0.0.0 as OE2 with nexthop on Gig1. Is =20 > this a correct behavior? > You must be looking at a different network. Your 6 candidate LSAs =20 > have type 1 metric. Why would you expect a type 2 external route to =20= > be installed. > > > > > > > > > 2.Moreover I want to know whether Section 12.4.4 & Page 140-141 =20 > (RFC 2328), which says =93The following rule is thereby established: =20= > if two routers, both reachable from one another, originate =20 > functionally equivalent AS-external-LSAs (i.e., same destination, =20 > cost and non-zero forwarding address), then the LSA originated by =20 > the router having the highest OSPF Router ID is used. > > > > > > Jishnu > > FYI, I am just adding the database log: (from router R3) > > show ip ospf database external 0.0.0.0 > > OSPF Router with ID (202.87.37.225) (Process ID 10) > > Type-5 AS External Link States > > LS age: 1355 > > LS Type: AS External Link > > Advertising Router: 123.108.37.253 > > Checksum: 0x1B87 > > Network Mask: /0 > > TOS: 0 > > Forward Address: 123.108.37.17 > > > > Options: (No TOS-capability, No DC) > > Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External Network Number ) > > LS Seq Number: 80000083 > > Length: 36 > > Metric Type: 1 > > Metric: 6 > > External Route Tag: 0 > > LS age: 1284 > > LS Type: AS External Link > > Advertising Router: 124.153.97.253 > > Checksum: 0x8E49 > > Network Mask: /0 > > TOS: 0 > > Forward Address: 124.153.97.5 > > > > Options: (No TOS-capability, No DC) > > Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External Network Number ) > > LS Seq Number: 80000082 > > Length: 36 > > Metric Type: 1 > > Metric: 6 > > External Route Tag: 0 > > LS age: 1217 > > LS Type: AS External Link > > Advertising Router: 202.87.37.230 > > Checksum: 0x5DE8 > > Network Mask: /0 > > TOS: 0 > > Forward Address: 59.163.24.70 > > > > Options: (No TOS-capability, No DC) > > Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External Network Number ) > > LS Seq Number: 80000085 > > Length: 36 > > Metric Type: 1 > > Metric: 6 > > External Route Tag: 0 > > show ip ospf neighbor > > Process ID 10 > > 202.87.37.231 1 FULL/DR 00:00:31 =20 > 202.87.37.165 gigabitethernet1 > > > > gigabitethernet1 is up, line protocol is up > > Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type BROADCAST, =20 > Cost: 1 > > Designated Router (ID) 202.87.37.231, Intf address 202.87.37.165 > > Timer intervals configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait 40, Retransmit 5 > > Neighbor Count is 1, Adjacent neighbor count is 1 > > Suppress hello for 0 neighbor(s) > > gigabitethernet0 is up, line protocol is up > > Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type BROADCAST, =20 > Cost: 1 > > Designated Router (ID) 202.87.37.230, Intf address 202.87.37.161 > > Timer intervals configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait 40, Retransmit 5 > > Neighbor Count is 1, Adjacent neighbor count is 1 > > Suppress hello for 0 neighbor(s) > > loopback1 is up, line protocol is up > > Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type LOOPBACK, =20 > Cost: 1000 > > > > show ip route ospf > > Codes: R - RIP, O - OSPF, C - connected, S - static > > E2 - OSPF external type 2 route, N1 - OSPF NSSA external =20 > type 1 route, > > * - candidate default route > > O*E1 0.0.0.0/0 [110/8][10] via 202.87.37.165, gigabitethernet1 > > --Apple-Mail-72--536721870 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Hi Jishnu,

    On = Aug 27, 2007, at 10:06 AM, Jishnu Banerjee wrote:

    Hi Acee,

    I apologize for the = doubt being presented to forum in verbose. In future, shall certainly = take care of that.

    Coming back to the question: Referring to question 1, I = misquoted it as Type 2 instead of Type 1. It is actually a OE1 route in = routing table

    As Section 12.4.4 is not applicable in this situation, so = can I expected the during SPF calculation each of these LSA will be = considered (since each of the advertsing routers are reachable) and thus = ECMP on OSPF route will get exhibited i.e.0.0.0.0 being learnt on = multiple = nexthops

    <= /O:SMARTTAGTYPE>
    I would say = that depends on whether the longest match OSPF route to forwarding = address is an ECMP route. If it is, than yes I'd expect the OSPF = External Type 1 route to be ECMP. Look at section 16.4 in RFC 2328 and = it is clear that the route should be inherited from the forwarding = address route.=A0

    Acee


    =A0

    -jishnu

    =A0

    Acee Lindem [mailto:acee@redback.com]
    Monday, August = 27, 2007 7:05 PM
    = Jishnu = Banerjee
    Cc: ospf@ietf.org; Soman K. S
    Subject: Re: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default = route)

    Jishnu,

    In the future, can you condense your questions = down to specific protocol questions? This is not a forum for us to debug = your network. See inline.=A0

    =A0

    On Aug 27, 2007, at 9:11 AM, = Jishnu = Banerjee = wrote:



    I have a doubt related to OSPF route selection : = (Please refer to the topology below)=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 \=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 /=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 = \=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 = /=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0 = |____R3____|The router to be considered is R3. This R3 = receives multiple External Type-1 LSAs due to =93default-originate=94 = being used on remote routers which lie beyond R1 & R2. Router R3 = establishes adjacency with R1 and R2 on two different broadcast = segments.Out of 6, three of Advertising routers and their = corresponding Forwarding Address are reachable via Gig0 while the rest = of Advertising Routers and their corresponding Forwarding Address are = reachable via Gig1. OSPF interface cost on both Gig1 and Gig0 are equal = (1)Now the questions are:

  • Route Table has installed 0.0.0.0 as OE2 with nexthop on Gig1. Is this a correct = behavior?

    • You must be looking at a different network. = Your 6 candidate LSAs have type 1 metric. Why would you expect a type 2 = external route to be installed.=A0=A0

    =A0


  • 2.Moreover I = want to know whether Section 12.4.4 & Page 140-141 (RFC 2328), which = says =93The following rule is thereby = established: if two routers, both reachable from one another, originate = functionally equivalent AS-external-LSAs (i.e., same destination, cost = and non-zero forwarding address), then the LSA originated by the router = having the highest OSPF Router ID is = used.
    • =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =

    FYI, I am just adding the database log: (from router = R3)show ip ospf = database external 0.0.0.0

    =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 OSPF Router with ID = (202.87.37.225) (Process ID 10)

    =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Type-5 AS = External Link States=A0 LS age: 1355=A0 LS Type: AS External = Link

    =A0 Advertising Router: 123.108.37.253

    =A0 Checksum: 0x1B87=A0 Network Mask: /0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 TOS: 0

    =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Forward Address: 123.108.37.17

    =A0=A0 Options: (No TOS-capability, DC)

    =A0 Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External Network Number = )

    =A0 LS Seq Number: 80000083

    =A0 Length: 36=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Metric Type: 1

    =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Metric: 6

    =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 External Route Tag: 0

    =A0 LS age: 1284=A0 LS Type: AS External = Link

    =A0 Advertising Router: 124.153.97.253

    =A0 Checksum: 0x8E49=A0 Network Mask: /0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 TOS: 0

    =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Forward Address: 124.153.97.5

    =A0=A0 Options: (No TOS-capability, DC)

    =A0 Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External Network Number = )

    =A0 LS Seq Number: 80000082

    =A0 Length: 36=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Metric Type: 1

    =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Metric: 6

    =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 External Route Tag: 0

    =A0 LS age: 1217=A0 LS Type: AS External = Link

    =A0 Advertising Router: 202.87.37.230

    =A0 Checksum: 0x5DE8=A0 Network Mask: /0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 TOS: 0

    =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Forward Address: 59.163.24.70

    =A0=A0 Options: (No TOS-capability, DC)

    =A0 Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External Network Number = )

    =A0 LS Seq Number: 80000085

    =A0 Length: 36=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Metric Type: 1

    =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Metric: 6

    =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 External Route Tag: 0

    show ip ospf=A0 neighbor

    Process ID 10202.87.37.231=A0=A0=A0=A0 1=A0=A0 FULL/DR=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0 00:00:31=A0=A0=A0 202.87.37.165=A0=A0 = gigabitethernet1=A0gigabitethernet1 is up, line protocol is up

    =A0 Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type = BROADCAST, Cost: 1=A0 Designated Router (ID) 202.87.37.231, Intf address = 202.87.37.165

    =A0 Timer intervals configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait 40, = Retransmit 5

    =A0 Neighbor Count is 1, Adjacent neighbor count is = 1

    =A0 Suppress hello for 0 neighbor(s)

    gigabitethernet0 is up, line protocol is up

    =A0 Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type = BROADCAST, Cost: 1=A0 Designated Router (ID) 202.87.37.230, Intf address = 202.87.37.161

    =A0 Timer intervals configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait 40, = Retransmit 5

    =A0 Neighbor Count is 1, Adjacent neighbor count is = 1

    =A0 Suppress hello for 0 neighbor(s)

    loopback1 is up, line protocol is up

    =A0 Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type = LOOPBACK, Cost: 1000=A0show ip route=A0 ospfCodes: R - RIP, O - OSPF, C - connected, S - static

    =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 E2 - OSPF external type 2 route, N1 - OSPF = NSSA external type 1 route,=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 * - candidate default route

    O*E1 0.0.0.0/0 [110/8][10] via 202.87.37.165, = gigabitethernet1



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    ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C7E905.03750F20-- From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Mon Aug 27 23:52:29 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IPs7j-0005o1-Ih; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:52:15 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IPs7i-0005nw-7f for ospf@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:52:14 -0400 Received: from [164.164.171.210] (helo=mail.india.ba-sys.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IPs7e-0007MA-IJ for ospf@ietf.org; Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:52:14 -0400 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:21:55 +0530 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: <1C1A7A0BABA3884CA99E9136D64543CA3801EF@scorpion.india.ba-sys.com> In-Reply-To: <2EE3721F-ADE7-4752-80C9-8077330F0202@redback.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) thread-index: AcfotFTAdH+eXMbgRXOHMOsl5bqHagAb694g References: <1C1A7A0BABA3884CA99E9136D64543CA3801E4@scorpion.india.ba-sys.com> <1C1A7A0BABA3884CA99E9136D64543CA3801EB@scorpion.india.ba-sys.com> <2EE3721F-ADE7-4752-80C9-8077330F0202@redback.com> From: "Jishnu Banerjee" To: "Acee Lindem" X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 00840a30bc4f8ea22db7267c9b8fc50e Cc: ospf@ietf.org Subject: [OSPF] RE: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0535381505==" Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0535381505== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7E926.C70154E8" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7E926.C70154E8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How about a situation like this =3D=3D> If same LSA (metric type E1 and metric being same) has been advertised by two different ASBRs, each having non-zero fwding address, then as per section 16.4, I find the following : 1. Both ASBRs are reachable. Route to ASBR A1 is via nexthop on interface IF1 while ASBR A2 is via nexthop on interface IF2. Both route entries are of the same cost and both their associated area being the same, subsequently the AS-paths to ASBR are of equal preference being Inter-area paths. 2. Considering the Fwd Address for the above ASBRs, if both of Fwd Address (one on each ASBR) happens to be reachable in the same pattern as above, then how do we break the tie ?=20 On which interface should we expect the network (in this case 0.0.0.0) should get resolved as OSPF E1 ? =20 Thanks Jishnu =20 ________________________________ From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee@redback.com]=20 Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:41 PM To: Jishnu Banerjee Cc: ospf@ietf.org Subject: Re: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) =20 Hi Jishnu, =20 On Aug 27, 2007, at 10:06 AM, Jishnu Banerjee wrote: Hi Acee, I apologize for the doubt being presented to forum in verbose. In future, shall certainly take care of that. Coming back to the question: Referring to question 1, I misquoted it as Type 2 instead of Type 1. It is actually a OE1 route in routing table As Section 12.4.4 is not applicable in this situation, so can I expected the during SPF calculation each of these LSA will be considered (since each of the advertsing routers are reachable) and thus ECMP on OSPF route will get exhibited i.e.0.0.0.0 being learnt on multiple nexthops I would say that depends on whether the longest match OSPF route to forwarding address is an ECMP route. If it is, than yes I'd expect the OSPF External Type 1 route to be ECMP. Look at section 16.4 in RFC 2328 and it is clear that the route should be inherited from the forwarding address route.=20 =20 Acee =20 =20 -jishnu =20 ________________________________ From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee@redback.com]=20 Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:05 PM To: Jishnu Banerjee Cc: ospf@ietf.org ; Soman K. S Subject: Re: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) =20 Jishnu, In the future, can you condense your questions down to specific protocol questions? This is not a forum for us to debug your network. See inline. =20 On Aug 27, 2007, at 9:11 AM, Jishnu Banerjee wrote: =20 \ / The router to be considered is R3. This R3 receives multiple External Type-1 LSAs due to "default-originate" being used on remote routers which lie beyond R1 & R2. Router R3 establishes adjacency with R1 and R2 on two different broadcast segments. Now the questions are: 1. 2.Moreover I want to know whether Section 12.4.4 & Page 140-141 (RFC 2328), which says "The following rule is thereby established: if two routers, both reachable from one another, originate functionally equivalent AS-external-LSAs (i.e., same destination, cost and non-zero forwarding address), then the LSA originated by the router having the highest OSPF Router ID is used. =20 =20 FYI, I am just adding the database log: (from router R3) OSPF Router with ID (202.87.37.225) (Process ID 10) LS age: 1355 Advertising Router: 123.108.37.253 Network Mask: /0 Forward Address: 123.108.37.17 Options: (No TOS-capability, No DC) LS Seq Number: 80000083 Metric Type: 1 External Route Tag: 0 LS Type: AS External Link Checksum: 0x8E49 TOS: 0 =20 Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External Network Number ) Length: 36 Metric: 6 LS age: 1217 Advertising Router: 202.87.37.230 Network Mask: /0 Forward Address: 59.163.24.70 Options: (No TOS-capability, No DC) LS Seq Number: 80000085 Metric Type: 1 External Route Tag: 0 Process ID 10 =20 Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type BROADCAST, Cost: 1 Timer intervals configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait 40, Retransmit 5 Suppress hello for 0 neighbor(s) Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type BROADCAST, Cost: 1 Timer intervals configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait 40, Retransmit 5 Suppress hello for 0 neighbor(s) Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type LOOPBACK, Cost: 1000 show ip route ospf E2 - OSPF external type 2 route, N1 - OSPF NSSA external type 1 route, O*E1 0.0.0.0/0 [110/8][10] via 202.87.37.165, gigabitethernet1 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7E926.C70154E8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    How about a situation like this = è

    If same LSA (metric type E1 and = metric being same) has been advertised by two different ASBRs, each having = non-zero fwding address, then as per section 16.4, I find the following = :

    1. Both ASBRs are reachable. Route to ASBR A1 is via nexthop on interface = IF1 while ASBR A2 is via nexthop on interface IF2. Both route entries = are of the same cost and both their associated area being the same, = subsequently the AS-paths to ASBR are of equal preference being Inter-area = paths.
    2. Considering the Fwd Address for the above ASBRs, if both of Fwd Address (one on = each ASBR) happens to be reachable in the same pattern as above, then = how do we break the tie ?

    On which interface should we expect the network (in this case 0.0.0.0) should get resolved as OSPF E1 ?

     =

    Thanks Jishnu

     

    From: Acee = Lindem [mailto:acee@redback.com]
    Sent: Monday, August 27, = 2007 7:41 PM
    To: Jishnu Banerjee
    Cc: ospf@ietf.org
    Subject: Re: Route = Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route)

     

    Hi Jishnu,

     

    On Aug 27, 2007, at 10:06 AM, Jishnu = Banerjee wrote:



    Hi = Acee,

    I apologize for = the doubt being presented to forum in verbose. In future, shall certainly take = care of that.

    Coming back to = the question: Referring to question 1, I misquoted it as Type 2 instead of = Type 1. It is actually a OE1 route in routing tableI would say that depends on whether the longest match OSPF route = to forwarding address is an ECMP route. If it is, than yes I'd expect the = OSPF External Type 1 route to be ECMP. Look at section 16.4 in RFC 2328 and = it is clear that the route should be inherited from the forwarding address route. 

     

    Acee

     



     

    -jishnu

     

    From: Acee Lindem = [mailto:acee@redback.com] =
    Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:05 PM
    To: Jishnu Banerjee
    Cc: ospf@ietf.org; Soman K. S
    Subject: Re: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default = route)

     

    Jishnu,

    In the future, can you condense = your questions down to specific protocol questions? This is not a forum for = us to debug your network. See inline. 

     

    On Aug 27, 2007, at 9:11 AM, = Jishnu Banerjee wrote:


     

              =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp; \            =            /

    The router to be considered is R3. This R3 receives = multiple External Type-1 LSAs due to “default-originate” being used = on remote routers which lie beyond R1 & R2. Router R3 establishes = adjacency with R1 and R2 on two different broadcast segments.

    Now = the questions are:

    1. 2.Moreover I want to know = whether Section 12.4.4 & Page 140-141 (RFC 2328), which says = “The following rule is thereby = established: if two routers, both reachable from one another, originate functionally equivalent AS-external-LSAs (i.e., same destination, cost and = non-zero forwarding address), then the LSA originated by the router having = the highest OSPF Router ID is = used.     

     FYI, I am just adding the database log: (from router = R3)         &n= bsp;  OSPF Router with ID (202.87.37.225) (Process ID 10)  LS age: 1355  Advertising Router: 123.108.37.253  Network Mask: /0        Forward Address: 123.108.37.17  Options: (No = TOS-capability, No DC)  LS Seq Number: 80000083        Metric Type: = 1        External Route = Tag: 0  = LS Type: AS External Link  Checksum: 0x8E49        TOS: 0 

      Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External Network Number = )  Length: 36        Metric: 6  LS age: 1217  Advertising Router: 202.87.37.230  Network Mask: /0        Forward Address: 59.163.24.70  Options: (No = TOS-capability, No DC)  LS Seq Number: 80000085        Metric Type: = 1        External Route = Tag: 0Process ID 10 

      Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type BROADCAST, Cost: 1  Timer intervals configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait = 40, Retransmit 5  Suppress hello for 0 neighbor(s)  Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type = BROADCAST, Cost: 1  Timer intervals configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait = 40, Retransmit 5  Suppress hello for 0 neighbor(s)  Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type LOOPBACK, Cost: 1000show ip route  ospf       E2 - OSPF external = type 2 route, N1 - OSPF NSSA external type 1 route,O*E1 0.0.0.0/0 [110/8][10] via 202.87.37.165, = gigabitethernet1

     

     

    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7E926.C70154E8-- --===============0535381505== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf --===============0535381505==-- From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Tue Aug 28 01:56:39 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IPu3w-0000EX-Hz; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 01:56:28 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IPu3v-00009J-7K for ospf@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 01:56:27 -0400 Received: from corp.force10networks.com ([64.186.164.204] helo=mx.force10networks.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IPu3t-0006h1-PO for ospf@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 01:56:27 -0400 Received: from EXCH-CLUSTER-03.force10networks.com ([10.11.0.54]) by mx.force10networks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:57:14 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [OSPF] RE: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:57:14 -0700 Message-ID: <44ED058B21DF294ABE394CABE5C1B521E196F9@EXCH-CLUSTER-03.force10networks.com> In-Reply-To: <1C1A7A0BABA3884CA99E9136D64543CA3801EF@scorpion.india.ba-sys.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OSPF] RE: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) Thread-Index: AcfotFTAdH+eXMbgRXOHMOsl5bqHagAb694gAARC03A= References: <1C1A7A0BABA3884CA99E9136D64543CA3801E4@scorpion.india.ba-sys.com><1C1A7A0BABA3884CA99E9136D64543CA3801EB@scorpion.india.ba-sys.com><2EE3721F-ADE7-4752-80C9-8077330F0202@redback.com> <1C1A7A0BABA3884CA99E9136D64543CA3801EF@scorpion.india.ba-sys.com> From: "Nitin Kakkar" To: "Jishnu Banerjee" , "Acee Lindem" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2007 05:57:14.0886 (UTC) FILETIME=[489A4A60:01C7E938] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 486a505b406c43d9f102f0f5b60495dc Cc: ospf@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1908100374==" Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1908100374== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7E938.4860A938" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7E938.4860A938 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jisnu, You have same prefix advertised in type 5 lsa, originated by two distinct ASBR's=20 When ospf calculate route it will have to consider both lsa's which means cost to ASBR's will come into play. If ALL cost , type metric matches both routes will be selected. Otherwise best route will be picked. =20 Same rule applies with or without forwarding address (assuming fwd address are different). Hope this helps Nitin ________________________________ From: Jishnu Banerjee [mailto:jishnub@india.ba-sys.com]=20 Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:52 PM To: Acee Lindem Cc: ospf@ietf.org Subject: [OSPF] RE: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) =20 How about a situation like this =3D=3D> If same LSA (metric type E1 and metric being same) has been advertised by two different ASBRs, each having non-zero fwding address, then as per section 16.4, I find the following : 1. Both ASBRs are reachable. Route to ASBR A1 is via nexthop on interface IF1 while ASBR A2 is via nexthop on interface IF2. Both route entries are of the same cost and both their associated area being the same, subsequently the AS-paths to ASBR are of equal preference being Inter-area paths. 2. Considering the Fwd Address for the above ASBRs, if both of Fwd Address (one on each ASBR) happens to be reachable in the same pattern as above, then how do we break the tie ?=20 On which interface should we expect the network (in this case 0.0.0.0) should get resolved as OSPF E1 ? =20 Thanks Jishnu =20 ________________________________ From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee@redback.com]=20 Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:41 PM To: Jishnu Banerjee Cc: ospf@ietf.org Subject: Re: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) =20 Hi Jishnu, =20 On Aug 27, 2007, at 10:06 AM, Jishnu Banerjee wrote: =20 Hi Acee, I apologize for the doubt being presented to forum in verbose. In future, shall certainly take care of that. Coming back to the question: Referring to question 1, I misquoted it as Type 2 instead of Type 1. It is actually a OE1 route in routing table As Section 12.4.4 is not applicable in this situation, so can I expected the during SPF calculation each of these LSA will be considered (since each of the advertsing routers are reachable) and thus ECMP on OSPF route will get exhibited i.e.0.0.0.0 being learnt on multiple nexthops I would say that depends on whether the longest match OSPF route to forwarding address is an ECMP route. If it is, than yes I'd expect the OSPF External Type 1 route to be ECMP. Look at section 16.4 in RFC 2328 and it is clear that the route should be inherited from the forwarding address route.=20 =20 Acee =20 =20 =20 -jishnu =20 ________________________________ From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee@redback.com]=20 Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:05 PM To: Jishnu Banerjee Cc: ospf@ietf.org ; Soman K. S Subject: Re: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) =20 Jishnu, In the future, can you condense your questions down to specific protocol questions? This is not a forum for us to debug your network. See inline. =20 On Aug 27, 2007, at 9:11 AM, Jishnu Banerjee wrote: =20 =20 \ / The router to be considered is R3. This R3 receives multiple External Type-1 LSAs due to "default-originate" being used on remote routers which lie beyond R1 & R2. Router R3 establishes adjacency with R1 and R2 on two different broadcast segments. Now the questions are: 1. 2.Moreover I want to know whether Section 12.4.4 & Page 140-141 (RFC 2328), which says "The following rule is thereby established: if two routers, both reachable from one another, originate functionally equivalent AS-external-LSAs (i.e., same destination, cost and non-zero forwarding address), then the LSA originated by the router having the highest OSPF Router ID is used. =20 =20 =20 FYI, I am just adding the database log: (from router R3) OSPF Router with ID (202.87.37.225) (Process ID 10) LS age: 1355 Advertising Router: 123.108.37.253 Network Mask: /0 Forward Address: 123.108.37.17 Options: (No TOS-capability, No DC) LS Seq Number: 80000083 Metric Type: 1 External Route Tag: 0 LS Type: AS External Link Checksum: 0x8E49 TOS: 0 =20 =20 Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External Network Number ) Length: 36 Metric: 6 LS age: 1217 Advertising Router: 202.87.37.230 Network Mask: /0 Forward Address: 59.163.24.70 Options: (No TOS-capability, No DC) LS Seq Number: 80000085 Metric Type: 1 External Route Tag: 0 Process ID 10 =20 =20 Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type BROADCAST, Cost: 1 Timer intervals configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait 40, Retransmit 5 Suppress hello for 0 neighbor(s) Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type BROADCAST, Cost: 1 Timer intervals configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait 40, Retransmit 5 Suppress hello for 0 neighbor(s) Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type LOOPBACK, Cost: 1000 show ip route ospf E2 - OSPF external type 2 route, N1 - OSPF NSSA external type 1 route, O*E1 0.0.0.0/0 [110/8][10] via 202.87.37.165, gigabitethernet1 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7E938.4860A938 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Jisnu,

       You have same prefix = advertised in type 5 lsa, originated by two distinct ASBR’s =

        When ospf = calculate route it will have to consider both lsa’s which means cost to = ASBR’s will come into play.   If ALL cost , type metric matches both = routes will be selected.  Otherwise best route will be = picked.

     

       Same rule applies with = or without forwarding address (assuming fwd address are = different).

    Hope this = helps

    Nitin

    From: = Jishnu Banerjee [mailto:jishnub@india.ba-sys.com]
    Sent: Monday, August 27, = 2007 8:52 PM
    To: Acee Lindem
    Cc: ospf@ietf.org
    Subject: [OSPF] RE: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route)

     

    How about a situation like this = è

    If same LSA (metric type E1 and = metric being same) has been advertised by two different ASBRs, each having = non-zero fwding address, then as per section 16.4, I find the following = :

    1. Both ASBRs are reachable. Route to ASBR A1 is via nexthop on interface = IF1 while ASBR A2 is via nexthop on interface IF2. Both route entries = are of the same cost and both their associated area being the same, = subsequently the AS-paths to ASBR are of equal preference being Inter-area = paths.
    2. Considering the Fwd Address for the above ASBRs, if both of Fwd Address (one on = each ASBR) happens to be reachable in the same pattern as above, then = how do we break the tie ?

    On which interface should we expect the network (in this case 0.0.0.0) should get resolved as OSPF E1 ?

     =

    Thanks Jishnu

     

    From: Acee = Lindem [mailto:acee@redback.com]
    Sent: Monday, August 27, = 2007 7:41 PM
    To: Jishnu Banerjee
    Cc: ospf@ietf.org
    Subject: Re: Route = Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route)

     

    Hi Jishnu,

     

    On Aug 27, 2007, at 10:06 AM, Jishnu = Banerjee wrote:

     

    Hi = Acee,

    I apologize for = the doubt being presented to forum in verbose. In future, shall certainly take = care of that.

    Coming back to = the question: Referring to question 1, I misquoted it as Type 2 instead of = Type 1. It is actually a OE1 route in routing = table

    As Section = 12.4.4 is not applicable in this situation, so can I expected the during SPF = calculation each of these LSA will be considered (since each of the advertsing routers = are reachable) and thus ECMP on OSPF route will get exhibited i.e.0.0.0.0 being learnt = on multiple nexthops

    I would say that depends on whether the longest match OSPF route to = forwarding address is an ECMP route. If it is, than yes I'd expect the OSPF = External Type 1 route to be ECMP. Look at section 16.4 in RFC 2328 and it is clear = that the route should be inherited from the forwarding address = route. 

     

    Acee

     

     

     

    -jishnu

     

    From: Acee Lindem = [mailto:acee@redback.com] =
    Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:05 PM
    To: Jishnu Banerjee
    Cc: ospf@ietf.org; Soman K. S
    Subject: Re: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default = route)

     

    Jishnu,

    In the future, can you condense = your questions down to specific protocol questions? This is not a forum for = us to debug your network. See = inline. 

     

    On Aug 27, 2007, at 9:11 AM, = Jishnu Banerjee = wrote:



     

     

              =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp; \            =            /

    The router to be considered is R3. This R3 receives = multiple External Type-1 LSAs due to “default-originate” being used = on remote routers which lie beyond R1 & R2. Router R3 establishes = adjacency with R1 and R2 on two different broadcast = segments.

    Now the questions are:

    1.       2.Moreover I want to know whether Section 12.4.4 & Page 140-141 (RFC 2328), = which says “The following rule is = thereby established: if two routers, both reachable from one another, originate functionally equivalent AS-external-LSAs (i.e., same destination, cost = and non-zero forwarding address), then the LSA originated by the router = having the highest OSPF Router ID is = used.      =

     

     

    FYI, I am just adding the database log: = (from router R3)

              &= nbsp; OSPF Router with ID (202.87.37.225) (Process ID = 10)

      LS age: = 1355

      Advertising Router: 123.108.37.253

      Network Mask: = /0

            Forward Address: 123.108.37.17

    Options: (No TOS-capability, = No DC)

      LS Seq Number: = 80000083

            Metric Type: 1

            External Route Tag: 0

      LS Type: AS External = Link

      Checksum: = 0x8E49

            TOS: 0

     

     

      Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External Network Number = )

      Length: = 36

            Metric: 6

      LS age: = 1217

      Advertising Router: 202.87.37.230

      Network Mask: = /0

            Forward Address: 59.163.24.70

    Options: (No TOS-capability, = No DC)

      LS Seq Number: = 80000085

            Metric Type: 1

            External Route Tag: 0

    Process ID = 10

     

     

      Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type BROADCAST, Cost: 1

      Timer intervals = configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait 40, Retransmit = 5

      Suppress hello for = 0 neighbor(s)

      Process ID 10, = Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type BROADCAST, Cost: = 1

      Timer intervals = configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait 40, Retransmit = 5

      Suppress hello for = 0 neighbor(s)

      Process ID 10, = Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type LOOPBACK, Cost: = 1000

    show ip route = ospf

           E2 - OSPF external type 2 route, N1 - OSPF NSSA external type 1 = route,

    O*E1 0.0.0.0/0 [110/8][10] = via 202.87.37.165, = gigabitethernet1

     

     

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    ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7E9A4.389C6370-- From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Tue Aug 28 20:34:24 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IQBVT-0008OD-RW; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:34:03 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IQBVS-0008Mu-Be for ospf@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:34:02 -0400 Received: from prattle.redback.com ([155.53.12.9]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IQBVP-0006LI-Lm for ospf@ietf.org; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:34:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by prattle.redback.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35EF335A9C8; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prattle.redback.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (prattle [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12552-05; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [????O??IPv6???1] (login005.redback.com [155.53.12.64]) by prattle.redback.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2016535A9C9; Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:33:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <44ED058B21DF294ABE394CABE5C1B521E196F9@EXCH-CLUSTER-03.force10networks.com> References: <1C1A7A0BABA3884CA99E9136D64543CA3801E4@scorpion.india.ba-sys.com><1C1A7A0BABA3884CA99E9136D64543CA3801EB@scorpion.india.ba-sys.com><2EE3721F-ADE7-4752-80C9-8077330F0202@redback.com> <1C1A7A0BABA3884CA99E9136D64543CA3801EF@scorpion.india.ba-sys.com> <44ED058B21DF294ABE394CABE5C1B521E196F9@EXCH-CLUSTER-03.force10networks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: <2619E0D1-DD3C-4527-B047-623E3522F575@redback.com> From: Acee Lindem Subject: Re: [OSPF] RE: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:32:35 -0400 To: Nitin Kakkar X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at redback.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 49061b74145559d6154bcf50c29622bc Cc: ospf@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1518906864==" Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org --===============1518906864== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-98--413041750 --Apple-Mail-98--413041750 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi Nitin, Agree completely. Thanks, Acee On Aug 28, 2007, at 1:57 AM, Nitin Kakkar wrote: > Jisnu, > > You have same prefix advertised in type 5 lsa, originated by two =20= > distinct ASBR=92s > > When ospf calculate route it will have to consider both lsa=92s =20= > which means cost to ASBR=92s will come into play. If ALL cost , =20 > type metric matches both routes will be selected. Otherwise best =20 > route will be picked. > > > > Same rule applies with or without forwarding address (assuming =20 > fwd address are different). > > Hope this helps > > Nitin > > From: Jishnu Banerjee [mailto:jishnub@india.ba-sys.com] > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:52 PM > To: Acee Lindem > Cc: ospf@ietf.org > Subject: [OSPF] RE: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) > > > > How about a situation like this =E8 > > If same LSA (metric type E1 and metric being same) has been =20 > advertised by two different ASBRs, each having non-zero fwding =20 > address, then as per section 16.4, I find the following : > > Both ASBRs are reachable. Route to ASBR A1 is via nexthop on =20 > interface IF1 while ASBR A2 is via nexthop on interface IF2. Both =20 > route entries are of the same cost and both their associated area =20 > being the same, subsequently the AS-paths to ASBR are of equal =20 > preference being Inter-area paths. > Considering the Fwd Address for the above ASBRs, if both of Fwd =20 > Address (one on each ASBR) happens to be reachable in the same =20 > pattern as above, then how do we break the tie ? > On which interface should we expect the network (in this case =20 > 0.0.0.0) should get resolved as OSPF E1 ? > > > > Thanks Jishnu > > > > From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee@redback.com] > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:41 PM > To: Jishnu Banerjee > Cc: ospf@ietf.org > Subject: Re: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) > > > > Hi Jishnu, > > > > On Aug 27, 2007, at 10:06 AM, Jishnu Banerjee wrote: > > > > Hi Acee, > > I apologize for the doubt being presented to forum in verbose. In =20 > future, shall certainly take care of that. > > Coming back to the question: Referring to question 1, I misquoted =20 > it as Type 2 instead of Type 1. It is actually a OE1 route in =20 > routing table > > As Section 12.4.4 is not applicable in this situation, so can I =20 > expected the during SPF calculation each of these LSA will be =20 > considered (since each of the advertsing routers are reachable) and =20= > thus ECMP on OSPF route will get exhibited i.e.0.0.0.0 being learnt =20= > on multiple nexthops > > I would say that depends on whether the longest match OSPF route to =20= > forwarding address is an ECMP route. If it is, than yes I'd expect =20 > the OSPF External Type 1 route to be ECMP. Look at section 16.4 in =20 > RFC 2328 and it is clear that the route should be inherited from =20 > the forwarding address route. > > > > Acee > > > > > > > > -jishnu > > > > From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee@redback.com] > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:05 PM > To: Jishnu Banerjee > Cc: ospf@ietf.org; Soman K. S > Subject: Re: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) > > > > Jishnu, > > In the future, can you condense your questions down to specific =20 > protocol questions? This is not a forum for us to debug your =20 > network. See inline. > > > > On Aug 27, 2007, at 9:11 AM, Jishnu Banerjee wrote: > > > > > > > > > \ / > > The router to be considered is R3. This R3 receives multiple =20 > External Type-1 LSAs due to =93default-originate=94 being used on =20 > remote routers which lie beyond R1 & R2. Router R3 establishes =20 > adjacency with R1 and R2 on two different broadcast segments. > > Now the questions are: > > 1. 2.Moreover I want to know whether Section 12.4.4 & Page =20 > 140-141 (RFC 2328), which says =93The following rule is thereby =20 > established: if two routers, both reachable from one another, =20 > originate functionally equivalent AS-external-LSAs (i.e., same =20 > destination, cost and non-zero forwarding address), then the LSA =20 > originated by the router having the highest OSPF Router ID is used. > > > > > > FYI, I am just adding the database log: (from router R3) > > OSPF Router with ID (202.87.37.225) (Process ID 10) > > LS age: 1355 > > Advertising Router: 123.108.37.253 > > Network Mask: /0 > > Forward Address: 123.108.37.17 > > Options: (No TOS-capability, No DC) > > LS Seq Number: 80000083 > > Metric Type: 1 > > External Route Tag: 0 > > LS Type: AS External Link > > Checksum: 0x8E49 > > TOS: 0 > > > > > > Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External Network Number ) > > Length: 36 > > Metric: 6 > > LS age: 1217 > > Advertising Router: 202.87.37.230 > > Network Mask: /0 > > Forward Address: 59.163.24.70 > > Options: (No TOS-capability, No DC) > > LS Seq Number: 80000085 > > Metric Type: 1 > > External Route Tag: 0 > > Process ID 10 > > > > > > Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type BROADCAST, =20 > Cost: 1 > > Timer intervals configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait 40, Retransmit 5 > > Suppress hello for 0 neighbor(s) > > Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type BROADCAST, =20 > Cost: 1 > > Timer intervals configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait 40, Retransmit 5 > > Suppress hello for 0 neighbor(s) > > Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type LOOPBACK, =20 > Cost: 1000 > > show ip route ospf > > E2 - OSPF external type 2 route, N1 - OSPF NSSA external =20 > type 1 route, > > O*E1 0.0.0.0/0 [110/8][10] via 202.87.37.165, gigabitethernet1 > > > > > > --Apple-Mail-98--413041750 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252
    Hi Nitin,

    Agree completely.=A0

    Thanks,
    Acee=A0
    <= DIV>On Aug 28, 2007, at 1:57 AM, Nitin Kakkar wrote:

    Jisnu,

    =A0=A0 You have same = prefix advertised in type 5 lsa, originated by two distinct = ASBR=92s

    =A0 =A0=A0When ospf calculate route it will have to = consider both lsa=92s which means cost to ASBR=92s will come into play. = =A0=A0If ALL cost , type metric matches both routes will be selected.=A0 = Otherwise best route will be picked.=A0=A0 Same rule = applies with or without forwarding address (assuming fwd address are = different).

    Hope this helps

    Nitin

    From: Jishnu Banerjee [mailto:jishnub@india.ba-sys.com]
    Monday, August = 27, 2007 8:52 PM
    Acee = Lindem
    =     ospf@ietf.org [OSPF] RE: Route = Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route)    =A0

    How about a situation like this =E8

    If same LSA (metric type E1 and metric being same) has been = advertised by two different ASBRs, each having non-zero fwding address, = then as per section 16.4, I find the following :

    1. Both ASBRs = are reachable. Route to ASBR A1 is via nexthop on interface IF1 while = ASBR A2 is via nexthop on interface IF2. Both route entries are of the = same cost and both their associated area being the same, subsequently = the AS-paths to ASBR are of equal preference being Inter-area = paths.
    2. Considering = the Fwd Address for the above ASBRs, if both of Fwd Address (one on each = ASBR) happens to be reachable in the same pattern as above, then how do = we break the tie ?On which interface should we expect the network (in this = case 0.0.0.0) should get resolved as OSPF E1 ?=A0

      Thanks Jishnu

      =A0

      Acee Lindem [mailto:acee@redback.com]
      Monday, August = 27, 2007 7:41 PM
      = Jishnu = Banerjee
      Cc: ospf@ietf.org Re: Route = Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route)      =A0

      Hi Jishnu,

      =A0

      On Aug 27, 2007, at 10:06 AM, = Jishnu = Banerjee = wrote:

      =A0

      Hi Acee,I apologize for the doubt being presented to forum in = verbose. In future, shall certainly take care of that.

      Coming back to the question: Referring to question 1, I = misquoted it as Type 2 instead of Type 1. It is actually a OE1 route in = routing table

      As Section 12.4.4 is not applicable in this situation, so = can I expected the during SPF calculation each of these LSA will be = considered (since each of the advertsing routers are reachable) and thus = ECMP on OSPF route will get exhibited i.e.0.0.0.0 being learnt on = multiple nexthopsI would say that depends on whether the longest match = OSPF route to forwarding address is an ECMP route. If it is, than yes = I'd expect the OSPF External Type 1 route to be ECMP. Look at section = 16.4 in RFC 2328 and it is clear that the route should be inherited from = the forwarding address route.=A0

      =A0

      Acee

      =A0

      Acee Lindem [] =
      Monday, August = 27, 2007 7:05 PM
      = Jishnu = Banerjee
      Cc:       ; Soman K. S
      Re: Route = Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default = route)



      The router to be considered is R3. This = R3 receives multiple External Type-1 LSAs due to =93default-originate=94 = being used on remote routers which lie beyond R1 & R2. Router R3 = establishes adjacency with R1 and R2 on two different broadcast = segments.

      Now the questions are:1.=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 = 2.Moreover I want to know whether Section 12.4.4 & Page = 140-141 (RFC 2328), which says =93The = following rule is thereby established: if two routers, both reachable = from one another, originate functionally equivalent AS-external-LSAs = (i.e., same destination, cost and non-zero forwarding address), then the = LSA originated by the router having the highest OSPF Router ID is = used.

      =A0

      =A0 LS age: 1355

      =A0 Advertising Router: 123.108.37.253=A0 Network Mask: /0

      =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Forward Address: = 123.108.37.17Options: (No = TOS-capability,

      =A0 LS Seq Number: 80000083=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Metric Type: 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 External Route Tag: = 0

      =A0 Checksum: 0x8E49

      =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 TOS: 0

      =A0

      =A0 Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External = Network Number )

      =A0 Length: 36

      =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Metric: 6=A0 LS age: 1217

      =A0 Advertising Router: 202.87.37.230=A0 Network Mask: /0

      =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Forward Address: = 59.163.24.70Options: (No = TOS-capability,

      =A0 LS Seq Number: 80000085=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Metric Type: 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 External Route Tag: = 0Process ID 10

      =A0

      =A0 Process ID 10, Router ID = 202.87.37.225, Network Type BROADCAST, Cost: 1=A0 Timer intervals configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, = Wait 40, Retransmit 5

      =A0 Suppress hello for 0 neighbor(s)=A0 Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, = Network Type BROADCAST, Cost: 1

      =A0 Timer intervals configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, = Wait 40, Retransmit 5

      =A0 Suppress hello for 0 neighbor(s)=A0 Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, = Network Type LOOPBACK, Cost: 1000

      show ip route = ospf

      =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 E2 - OSPF external type 2 = route, N1 - OSPF NSSA external type 1 route,O*E1 0.0.0.0/0 [110/8][10] via 202.87.37.165, = gigabitethernet1

    =A0

    =A0



    = --Apple-Mail-98--413041750-- --===============1518906864== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf --===============1518906864==-- From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 29 01:39:59 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IQGHE-000077-04; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:39:40 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IQGHB-00006o-QS for ospf@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:39:37 -0400 Received: from [164.164.171.210] (helo=mail.india.ba-sys.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IQGH8-0005HS-8J for ospf@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:39:37 -0400 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: [OSPF] RE: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:09:30 +0530 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: <1C1A7A0BABA3884CA99E9136D64543CA380261@scorpion.india.ba-sys.com> In-Reply-To: <2619E0D1-DD3C-4527-B047-623E3522F575@redback.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OSPF] RE: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) thread-index: Acfp1E5iyvtKvAimSk6HxB+8o4MvWgAKSXcg References: <1C1A7A0BABA3884CA99E9136D64543CA3801E4@scorpion.india.ba-sys.com><1C1A7A0BABA3884CA99E9136D64543CA3801EB@scorpion.india.ba-sys.com><2EE3721F-ADE7-4752-80C9-8077330F0202@redback.com> <1C1A7A0BABA3884CA99E9136D64543CA3801EF@scorpion.india.ba-sys.com> <44ED058B21DF294ABE394CABE5C1B521E196F9@EXCH-CLUSTER-03.force10networks.com> <2619E0D1-DD3C-4527-B047-623E3522F575@redback.com> From: "Jishnu Banerjee" To: "Acee Lindem" , "Nitin Kakkar" X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9f6b7400131e42cb36f354a93626c583 Cc: ospf@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0336930720==" Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0336930720== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7E9FE.F7C952C6" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7E9FE.F7C952C6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Acee/Nitin, =20 "If ALL cost, type metric matches both routes will be installed" =3D=3D> = Is this what you advocate from the implementation perspective ? Because I have not come across in the RFC (2328) or even Section G.7 (RFC 2178) which mentions the same as you have advocated. Please correct me if my understanding of the RFC is wrong in regards to the above situation. As per your last email, external destination N will appear as ECMP, although none of the Fwding Addresses are reachable via list of nexthops. =20 Jishnu=20 =20 ________________________________ From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee@redback.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 6:03 AM To: Nitin Kakkar Cc: Jishnu Banerjee; ospf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OSPF] RE: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) =20 Hi Nitin, =20 Agree completely.=20 =20 Thanks, Acee=20 On Aug 28, 2007, at 1:57 AM, Nitin Kakkar wrote: Jisnu, You have same prefix advertised in type 5 lsa, originated by two distinct ASBR's When ospf calculate route it will have to consider both lsa's which means cost to ASBR's will come into play. If ALL cost , type metric matches both routes will be selected. Otherwise best route will be picked. =20 Same rule applies with or without forwarding address (assuming fwd address are different). Hope this helps Nitin ________________________________ From: Jishnu Banerjee [mailto:jishnub@india.ba-sys.com]=20 Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:52 PM To: Acee Lindem Cc: ospf@ietf.org =20 Subject: [OSPF] RE: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) =20 How about a situation like this =3D=3D> If same LSA (metric type E1 and metric being same) has been advertised by two different ASBRs, each having non-zero fwding address, then as per section 16.4, I find the following : 1. Both ASBRs are reachable. Route to ASBR A1 is via nexthop on interface IF1 while ASBR A2 is via nexthop on interface IF2. Both route entries are of the same cost and both their associated area being the same, subsequently the AS-paths to ASBR are of equal preference being Inter-area paths. 2. Considering the Fwd Address for the above ASBRs, if both of Fwd Address (one on each ASBR) happens to be reachable in the same pattern as above, then how do we break the tie ? On which interface should we expect the network (in this case 0.0.0.0) should get resolved as OSPF E1 ? =20 Thanks Jishnu =20 ________________________________ From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee@redback.com]=20 Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:41 PM To: Jishnu Banerjee Cc: ospf@ietf.org =20 Subject: Re: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) =20 Hi Jishnu, =20 On Aug 27, 2007, at 10:06 AM, Jishnu Banerjee wrote: =20 Hi Acee, I apologize for the doubt being presented to forum in verbose. In future, shall certainly take care of that. Coming back to the question: Referring to question 1, I misquoted it as Type 2 instead of Type 1. It is actually a OE1 route in routing table As Section 12.4.4 is not applicable in this situation, so can I expected the during SPF calculation each of these LSA will be considered (since each of the advertsing routers are reachable) and thus ECMP on OSPF route will get exhibited i.e.0.0.0.0 being learnt on multiple nexthops I would say that depends on whether the longest match OSPF route to forwarding address is an ECMP route. If it is, than yes I'd expect the OSPF External Type 1 route to be ECMP. Look at section 16.4 in RFC 2328 and it is clear that the route should be inherited from the forwarding address route.=20 =20 Acee =20 =20 =20 -jishnu =20 ________________________________ From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee@redback.com ]=20 Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:05 PM To: Jishnu Banerjee Cc: ospf@ietf.org ; Soman K. S Subject: Re: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) =20 Jishnu, In the future, can you condense your questions down to specific protocol questions? This is not a forum for us to debug your network. See inline. =20 On Aug 27, 2007, at 9:11 AM, Jishnu Banerjee wrote: =20 \ /The router to be considered is R3. This R3 receives multiple External Type-1 LSAs due to "default-originate" being used on remote routers which lie beyond R1 & R2. Router R3 establishes adjacency with R1 and R2 on two different broadcast segments. FYI, I am just adding the database log: (from router R3) LS age: 1355 Network Mask: /0 Options: (No TOS-capability, No DC) Metric Type: 1 LS Type: AS External Link TOS: 0 Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External Network Number ) Metric: 6 Advertising Router: 202.87.37.230 Forward Address: 59.163.24.70 LS Seq Number: 80000085 External Route Tag: 0 =20 =20 Timer intervals configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait 40, Retransmit 5 Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type BROADCAST, Cost: 1 Suppress hello for 0 neighbor(s) show ip route ospf O*E1 0.0.0.0/0 [110/8][10] via 202.87.37.165, gigabitethernet1 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7E9FE.F7C952C6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Acee/Nitin,=

     

    “If ALL cost, type metric = matches both routes will be installed” è Is this what you advocate from the implementation = perspective ? Because I have not come across in the RFC (2328) or even Section G.7 = (RFC 2178) which mentions the same as you have advocated. Please correct me if my understanding of the RFC is wrong in regards to the above = situation.

    As per your last email, external destination N will appear as ECMP, although none of the Fwding Addresses = are reachable via list of nexthops.

     

    Jishnu =

     

    From: Acee = Lindem [mailto:acee@redback.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, August = 29, 2007 6:03 AM
    To: Nitin Kakkar
    Cc: Jishnu Banerjee; ospf@ietf.org
    Subject: Re: [OSPF] RE: = Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route)

     

    Hi Nitin,

     

    Agree completely. 

     

    Thanks,

    Acee 

    On Aug 28, 2007, at 1:57 AM, Nitin Kakkar = wrote:



    Jisnu,

      =   When ospf calculate route it will have to consider both lsa’s which = means cost to ASBR’s will come into play.   If ALL cost , type = metric matches both routes will be selected.  Otherwise best route will be = picked.

     

       = Same rule applies with or without forwarding address (assuming fwd address are = different).

    Hope this = helps

    Nitin

     

    How about a = situation like this è

    If same LSA = (metric type E1 and metric being same) has been advertised by two different ASBRs, = each having non-zero fwding address, then as per section 16.4, I find the = following :

    1. Both ASBRs are reachable. Route to ASBR A1 is via nexthop on interface = IF1 while ASBR A2 is via nexthop on interface IF2. Both route entries = are of the same cost and both their associated area being the same, = subsequently the AS-paths to ASBR are of equal preference being Inter-area = paths.
    2. Considering the Fwd Address for the above ASBRs, if both of Fwd Address (one on = each ASBR) happens to be reachable in the same pattern as above, then = how do we break the tie ?

       

      Thanks Jishnu

       

      From: Acee Lindem = [mailto:acee@redback.com] =
      Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:41 PM
      To: Jishnu Banerjee
      Cc: ospf@ietf.org
      Subject: Re: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default = route)

       

      Hi Jishnu, 

      On Aug 27, 2007, at 10:06 AM, = Jishnu Banerjee wrote: 

      Hi = Acee,

      I apologize for = the doubt being presented to forum in verbose. In future, shall certainly take = care of that.

      Coming back to = the question: Referring to question 1, I misquoted it as Type 2 instead of = Type 1. It is actually a OE1 route in routing table

      I would say that depends on = whether the longest match OSPF route to forwarding address is an ECMP route. If it = is, than yes I'd expect the OSPF External Type 1 route to be ECMP. Look at = section 16.4 in RFC 2328 and it is clear that the route should be inherited from the forwarding address route. 

       

      Acee

       

       

       

      From: Acee Lindem = [mailto:acee@redback.com]
      Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:05 PM
      To: Jishnu = Banerjee
      Cc: ospf@ietf.org; Soman K. S
      Subject: Re: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default = route)

       

      Jishnu,

      In the future, can you condense = your questions down to specific protocol questions? This is not a forum for = us to debug your network. See inline. 

       

      On Aug 27, 2007, at 9:11 AM, = Jishnu = Banerjee wrote:


       

               &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;  \            =            /The router to be considered is R3. This R3 receives multiple External Type-1 LSAs = due to “default-originate” being used on remote routers which lie = beyond R1 & R2. Router R3 establishes adjacency with R1 and R2 on two = different broadcast segments.

            = ; FYI, I am just adding the database log: (from router R3)  LS age: 1355  Network Mask: /0Options: = (No TOS-capability, No DC)

              Metric Type: 1  LS Type: AS = External Link        TOS: 0  = Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External Network Number )        Metric: 6  Advertising Router: 202.87.37.230        Forward Address: 59.163.24.70

        LS Seq Number: 80000085

              External Route Tag: 0 

       

        Timer intervals configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait 40, Retransmit 5  Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type BROADCAST, Cost: = 1  Suppress hello for 0 neighbor(s)show ip = route ospfO*E1 0.0.0.0/0 [110/8][10] via 202.87.37.165, = gigabitethernet1

      =

       

       

       

       

    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7E9FE.F7C952C6-- --===============0336930720== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf --===============0336930720==-- From Kingman_levitsky@dpoa.info Wed Aug 29 01:42:07 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IQGJb-0001eH-6w for ospf-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:42:07 -0400 Received: from dsl217-132-7-247.bb.netvision.net.il ([217.132.7.247] helo=CBL217-132-78-240.bb.netvision.net.il) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IQGJa-0005D5-Ge for ospf-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:42:07 -0400 Received: from computer ([177.168.51.162]:15884 "EHLO computer" smtp-auth: TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by CBL217-132-78-240.bb.netvision.net.il with ESMTP id S22YYIEYOISAIJFC (ORCPT ); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 08:40:58 +0200 Message-ID: <055410F4.C9E17875@dpoa.info> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 08:40:48 +0200 From: "Kingman levitsky" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ospf-archive@megatron.ietf.org Subject: iidisabi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 3.5 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 8ac499381112328dd60aea5b1ff596ea Good morning levitsky Low self-esteem?, change that today yahiaoui Santomero http://www.piczvo.com/ From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 29 02:09:54 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IQGkN-0000r8-5D; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 02:09:47 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IQGkM-0000r2-02 for ospf@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 02:09:46 -0400 Received: from corp.force10networks.com ([64.186.164.204] helo=mx.force10networks.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IQGkK-0005l9-JP for ospf@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 02:09:45 -0400 Received: from EXCH-CLUSTER-03.force10networks.com ([10.11.0.54]) by mx.force10networks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:10:30 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [OSPF] RE: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:10:30 -0700 Message-ID: <44ED058B21DF294ABE394CABE5C1B521E1970B@EXCH-CLUSTER-03.force10networks.com> In-Reply-To: <1C1A7A0BABA3884CA99E9136D64543CA380261@scorpion.india.ba-sys.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OSPF] RE: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) Thread-Index: Acfp1E5iyvtKvAimSk6HxB+8o4MvWgAKSXcgAADrcwA= References: <1C1A7A0BABA3884CA99E9136D64543CA3801E4@scorpion.india.ba-sys.com><1C1A7A0BABA3884CA99E9136D64543CA3801EB@scorpion.india.ba-sys.com><2EE3721F-ADE7-4752-80C9-8077330F0202@redback.com> <1C1A7A0BABA3884CA99E9136D64543CA3801EF@scorpion.india.ba-sys.com> <44ED058B21DF294ABE394CABE5C1B521E196F9@EXCH-CLUSTER-03.force10networks.com> <2619E0D1-DD3C-4527-B047-623E3522F575@redback.com> <1C1A7A0BABA3884CA99E9136D64543CA380261@scorpion.india.ba-sys.com> From: "Nitin Kakkar" To: "Jishnu Banerjee" , "Acee Lindem" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2007 06:10:30.0540 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D4334C0:01C7EA03] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 77fc676a88e2fe9e3a15f5a44846926d Cc: ospf@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0482907382==" Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0482907382== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7EA03.4D0509CC" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7EA03.4D0509CC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jisnu, As far as I understand, when forwarding address specified in a type 5 (or type 7) LSA, is not reachable via Intra/Inter area route, you will not use that LSA to calculate route.=20 =20 ECMP is discussed in sec 16.8=20 16.8. Equal-cost multipath The OSPF protocol maintains multiple equal-cost routes to all destinations. This can be seen in the steps used above to calculate the routing table, and in the definition of the routing table structure. Each one of the multiple routes will be of the same type (intra-area, inter-area, type 1 external or type 2 external), cost, and will have the same associated area. However, each route may specify a separate next hop and Advertising router. =20 =20 I don't quite understand the part "none of the Fwding addresses are reachable via list of nexthops" =20 Hope this helps Nitin =20 ________________________________ From: Jishnu Banerjee [mailto:jishnub@india.ba-sys.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:40 PM To: Acee Lindem; Nitin Kakkar Cc: ospf@ietf.org Subject: RE: [OSPF] RE: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) =20 Acee/Nitin, =20 "If ALL cost, type metric matches both routes will be installed" =3D=3D> = Is this what you advocate from the implementation perspective ? Because I have not come across in the RFC (2328) or even Section G.7 (RFC 2178) which mentions the same as you have advocated. Please correct me if my understanding of the RFC is wrong in regards to the above situation. As per your last email, external destination N will appear as ECMP, although none of the Fwding Addresses are reachable via list of nexthops. =20 Jishnu=20 =20 ________________________________ From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee@redback.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 6:03 AM To: Nitin Kakkar Cc: Jishnu Banerjee; ospf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OSPF] RE: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) =20 Hi Nitin, =20 Agree completely.=20 =20 Thanks, Acee=20 On Aug 28, 2007, at 1:57 AM, Nitin Kakkar wrote: =20 Jisnu, You have same prefix advertised in type 5 lsa, originated by two distinct ASBR's When ospf calculate route it will have to consider both lsa's which means cost to ASBR's will come into play. If ALL cost , type metric matches both routes will be selected. Otherwise best route will be picked. =20 Same rule applies with or without forwarding address (assuming fwd address are different). Hope this helps Nitin ________________________________ From: Jishnu Banerjee [mailto:jishnub@india.ba-sys.com]=20 Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:52 PM To: Acee Lindem Cc: ospf@ietf.org =20 Subject: [OSPF] RE: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) =20 How about a situation like this =3D=3D> If same LSA (metric type E1 and metric being same) has been advertised by two different ASBRs, each having non-zero fwding address, then as per section 16.4, I find the following : 1. Both ASBRs are reachable. Route to ASBR A1 is via nexthop on interface IF1 while ASBR A2 is via nexthop on interface IF2. Both route entries are of the same cost and both their associated area being the same, subsequently the AS-paths to ASBR are of equal preference being Inter-area paths. 2. Considering the Fwd Address for the above ASBRs, if both of Fwd Address (one on each ASBR) happens to be reachable in the same pattern as above, then how do we break the tie ? On which interface should we expect the network (in this case 0.0.0.0) should get resolved as OSPF E1 ? =20 Thanks Jishnu =20 ________________________________ From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee@redback.com]=20 Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:41 PM To: Jishnu Banerjee Cc: ospf@ietf.org =20 Subject: Re: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) =20 Hi Jishnu, =20 On Aug 27, 2007, at 10:06 AM, Jishnu Banerjee wrote: =20 Hi Acee, I apologize for the doubt being presented to forum in verbose. In future, shall certainly take care of that. Coming back to the question: Referring to question 1, I misquoted it as Type 2 instead of Type 1. It is actually a OE1 route in routing table As Section 12.4.4 is not applicable in this situation, so can I expected the during SPF calculation each of these LSA will be considered (since each of the advertsing routers are reachable) and thus ECMP on OSPF route will get exhibited i.e.0.0.0.0 being learnt on multiple nexthops I would say that depends on whether the longest match OSPF route to forwarding address is an ECMP route. If it is, than yes I'd expect the OSPF External Type 1 route to be ECMP. Look at section 16.4 in RFC 2328 and it is clear that the route should be inherited from the forwarding address route.=20 =20 Acee =20 =20 =20 -jishnu =20 ________________________________ From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee@redback.com ]=20 Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:05 PM To: Jishnu Banerjee Cc: ospf@ietf.org ; Soman K. S Subject: Re: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) =20 Jishnu, In the future, can you condense your questions down to specific protocol questions? This is not a forum for us to debug your network. See inline. =20 On Aug 27, 2007, at 9:11 AM, Jishnu Banerjee wrote: =20 =20 \ /The router to be considered is R3. This R3 receives multiple External Type-1 LSAs due to "default-originate" being used on remote routers which lie beyond R1 & R2. Router R3 establishes adjacency with R1 and R2 on two different broadcast segments. FYI, I am just adding the database log: (from router R3) LS age: 1355 Network Mask: /0 Options: (No TOS-capability, No DC) Metric Type: 1 LS Type: AS External Link TOS: 0 Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External Network Number ) Metric: 6 Advertising Router: 202.87.37.230 Forward Address: 59.163.24.70 LS Seq Number: 80000085 External Route Tag: 0 =20 =20 Timer intervals configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait 40, Retransmit 5 Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type BROADCAST, Cost: 1 Suppress hello for 0 neighbor(s) show ip route ospf O*E1 0.0.0.0/0 [110/8][10] via 202.87.37.165, gigabitethernet1 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7EA03.4D0509CC Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Jisnu,

       As far as I = understand,  when forwarding address specified in a type 5 (or type 7)  LSA, is = not reachable via Intra/Inter area route, you will not use that LSA to = calculate route.

     

    ECMP is discussed in sec 16.8 =

    16.8. Equal-cost = multipath

    The OSPF protocol = maintains multiple equal-cost routes to all

    destinations. This can be = seen in the steps used above to

    calculate the routing = table, and in the definition of the

    routing table = structure.

    Each one = of the multiple routes will be of the same = type

    (intra-ar= ea, inter-area, type 1 external or type 2 = external),

    cost, = and will have the same associated area. However, = each

    route = may specify a separate next hop and Advertising = router.

     

     

      I don’t quite = understand the part “none of the Fwding addresses are reachable via list of = nexthops”

     

    Hope this = helps

    Nitin

     

    From: = Jishnu Banerjee [mailto:jishnub@india.ba-sys.com]
    Sent: Tuesday, August 28, = 2007 10:40 PM
    To: Acee Lindem; Nitin = Kakkar
    Cc: ospf@ietf.org
    Subject: RE: [OSPF] RE: = Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route)

     

    Acee/Nitin,=

     

    “If ALL cost, type metric = matches both routes will be installed” è Is this what you advocate from the implementation = perspective ? Because I have not come across in the RFC (2328) or even Section G.7 = (RFC 2178) which mentions the same as you have advocated. Please correct me if my understanding of the RFC is wrong in regards to the above = situation.

    As per your last email, external destination N will appear as ECMP, although none of the Fwding Addresses = are reachable via list of nexthops.

     

    Jishnu =

     

    From: Acee = Lindem [mailto:acee@redback.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, August = 29, 2007 6:03 AM
    To: Nitin Kakkar
    Cc: Jishnu Banerjee; ospf@ietf.org
    Subject: Re: [OSPF] RE: = Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route)

     

    Hi Nitin,

     

    Agree completely. 

     

    Thanks,

    Acee 

    On Aug 28, 2007, at 1:57 AM, Nitin Kakkar = wrote:

     

    Jisnu,

       You = have same prefix advertised in type 5 lsa, originated by two distinct = ASBR’s

      =   When ospf calculate route it will have to consider both lsa’s which = means cost to ASBR’s will come into play.   If ALL cost , type = metric matches both routes will be selected.  Otherwise best route will be picked.

     

       = Same rule applies with or without forwarding address (assuming fwd address are different).

    Hope this = helps

    Nitin<= /span>

    From: = Jishnu Banerjee [mailto:jishnub@india.ba-sys.com<= /a>]
    Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:52 PM
    To: Acee Lindem
    Cc:     ospf@ietf.org
    Subject: [OSPF] RE: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default = route)

     

    How about a = situation like this è

    If same LSA = (metric type E1 and metric being same) has been advertised by two different ASBRs, = each having non-zero fwding address, then as per section 16.4, I find the = following :

    1. Both ASBRs are reachable. Route to ASBR A1 is via nexthop on interface = IF1 while ASBR A2 is via nexthop on interface IF2. Both route entries = are of the same cost and both their associated area being the same, = subsequently the AS-paths to ASBR are of equal preference being Inter-area = paths.
    2. Considering the Fwd Address for the above ASBRs, if both of Fwd Address (one on = each ASBR) happens to be reachable in the same pattern as above, then = how do we break the tie ?

    On which interface should we expect the network (in this case 0.0.0.0) should get resolved as OSPF E1 ?

     

    Thanks Jishnu

     

    From: Acee Lindem = [mailto:acee@redback.com] =
    Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:41 PM
    To: Jishnu Banerjee
    Cc: ospf@ietf.org
    Subject: Re: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default = route)

     

    Hi = Jishnu,

     

    On Aug 27, 2007, at 10:06 AM, = Jishnu Banerjee = wrote:

     

    Hi = Acee,

    = I apologize for the doubt being presented to forum in verbose. In future, = shall certainly take care of that.

    Coming back to = the question: Referring to question 1, I misquoted it as Type 2 instead of = Type 1. It is actually a OE1 route in routing = table

    As Section = 12.4.4 is not applicable in this situation, so can I expected the during SPF = calculation each of these LSA will be considered (since each of the advertsing routers = are reachable) and thus ECMP on OSPF route will get exhibited i.e.0.0.0.0 = being learnt on multiple nexthops

    I would say that depends on = whether the longest match OSPF route to forwarding address is an ECMP route. If it = is, than yes I'd expect the OSPF External Type 1 route to be ECMP. Look at = section 16.4 in RFC 2328 and it is clear that the route should be inherited from the forwarding address route. 

     

    Acee

     

     

     

    <= /O:SMARTTAGTYPE>-jishnu

     

    From: Acee Lindem = [mailto:acee@redback.com]
    Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:05 PM
    To: Jishnu = Banerjee
    Cc: ospf@ietf.org; Soman K. S
    Subject: Re: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default = route)

     

    Jishnu,

    In the future, can you condense = your questions down to specific protocol questions? This is not a forum for = us to debug your network. See = inline. 

     

    On Aug 27, 2007, at 9:11 AM, = Jishnu = Banerjee wrote:



     

     

             &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;  \            =            /The = router to be considered is R3. This R3 receives multiple External Type-1 LSAs due to “default-originate” being used on remote routers which lie = beyond R1 & R2. Router R3 establishes adjacency with R1 and R2 on two = different broadcast segments.

           FYI, I am just adding the database log: (from router = R3)

      LS age: 1355

      Network Mask: /0

    Options: (No TOS-capability, No DC)

            Metric Type: 1

      LS Type: AS = External Link

            TOS: 0

      Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External = Network Number )

            Metric: 6

      Advertising Router: 202.87.37.230

            Forward Address: 59.163.24.70

      LS Seq Number: 80000085

            External Route Tag: 0

     

     

      Timer intervals configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait 40, Retransmit = 5

      Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type BROADCAST, Cost: = 1

      Suppress hello for 0 neighbor(s)

    show ip route = ospf

    O*E1 0.0.0.0/0 [110/8][10] via 202.87.37.165, = gigabitethernet1

     

     

     

     

     

    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7EA03.4D0509CC-- --===============0482907382== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ OSPF mailing list OSPF@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf --===============0482907382==-- From ospf-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 29 02:41:07 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IQHEa-0001FN-3f; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 02:41:00 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IQHEY-0001FI-JB for ospf@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 02:40:58 -0400 Received: from corp.force10networks.com ([64.186.164.204] helo=mx.force10networks.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IQHEV-0006iF-Nn for ospf@ietf.org; Wed, 29 Aug 2007 02:40:58 -0400 Received: from EXCH-CLUSTER-03.force10networks.com ([10.11.0.54]) by mx.force10networks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:41:45 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [OSPF] RE: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:41:45 -0700 Message-ID: <44ED058B21DF294ABE394CABE5C1B521E1970D@EXCH-CLUSTER-03.force10networks.com> In-Reply-To: <44ED058B21DF294ABE394CABE5C1B521E1970B@EXCH-CLUSTER-03.force10networks.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OSPF] RE: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) Thread-Index: Acfp1E5iyvtKvAimSk6HxB+8o4MvWgAKSXcgAADrcwAAAYcBAA== References: <1C1A7A0BABA3884CA99E9136D64543CA3801E4@scorpion.india.ba-sys.com><1C1A7A0BABA3884CA99E9136D64543CA3801EB@scorpion.india.ba-sys.com><2EE3721F-ADE7-4752-80C9-8077330F0202@redback.com> <1C1A7A0BABA3884CA99E9136D64543CA3801EF@scorpion.india.ba-sys.com> <44ED058B21DF294ABE394CABE5C1B521E196F9@EXCH-CLUSTER-03.force10networks.com> <2619E0D1-DD3C-4527-B047-623E3522F575@redback.com> <1C1A7A0BABA3884CA99E9136D64543CA380261@scorpion.india.ba-sys.com> <44ED058B21DF294ABE394CABE5C1B521E1970B@EXCH-CLUSTER-03.force10networks.com> From: "Nitin Kakkar" To: "Jishnu Banerjee" , "Acee Lindem" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2007 06:41:45.0896 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB0FD280:01C7EA07] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 91d17910d48ec26c363c3efd1d39af80 Cc: ospf@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1958333258==" Errors-To: ospf-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1958333258== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7EA07.AAD11058" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7EA07.AAD11058 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, One correction to my previous mail, I don't think RFC 2328 explicitly talks about ECMP path across different area's. Acee can throw more light. Regards Nitin =20 ________________________________ From: Nitin Kakkar=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 11:11 PM To: 'Jishnu Banerjee'; Acee Lindem Cc: ospf@ietf.org Subject: RE: [OSPF] RE: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) =20 Jisnu, As far as I understand, when forwarding address specified in a type 5 (or type 7) LSA, is not reachable via Intra/Inter area route, you will not use that LSA to calculate route.=20 =20 ECMP is discussed in sec 16.8=20 16.8. Equal-cost multipath The OSPF protocol maintains multiple equal-cost routes to all destinations. This can be seen in the steps used above to calculate the routing table, and in the definition of the routing table structure. Each one of the multiple routes will be of the same type (intra-area, inter-area, type 1 external or type 2 external), cost, and will have the same associated area. However, each route may specify a separate next hop and Advertising router. =20 =20 I don't quite understand the part "none of the Fwding addresses are reachable via list of nexthops" =20 Hope this helps Nitin =20 ________________________________ From: Jishnu Banerjee [mailto:jishnub@india.ba-sys.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:40 PM To: Acee Lindem; Nitin Kakkar Cc: ospf@ietf.org Subject: RE: [OSPF] RE: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) =20 Acee/Nitin, =20 "If ALL cost, type metric matches both routes will be installed" =3D=3D> = Is this what you advocate from the implementation perspective ? Because I have not come across in the RFC (2328) or even Section G.7 (RFC 2178) which mentions the same as you have advocated. Please correct me if my understanding of the RFC is wrong in regards to the above situation. As per your last email, external destination N will appear as ECMP, although none of the Fwding Addresses are reachable via list of nexthops. =20 Jishnu=20 =20 ________________________________ From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee@redback.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 6:03 AM To: Nitin Kakkar Cc: Jishnu Banerjee; ospf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OSPF] RE: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) =20 Hi Nitin, =20 Agree completely.=20 =20 Thanks, Acee=20 On Aug 28, 2007, at 1:57 AM, Nitin Kakkar wrote: =20 Jisnu, You have same prefix advertised in type 5 lsa, originated by two distinct ASBR's When ospf calculate route it will have to consider both lsa's which means cost to ASBR's will come into play. If ALL cost , type metric matches both routes will be selected. Otherwise best route will be picked. =20 Same rule applies with or without forwarding address (assuming fwd address are different). Hope this helps Nitin ________________________________ From: Jishnu Banerjee [mailto:jishnub@india.ba-sys.com]=20 Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:52 PM To: Acee Lindem Cc: ospf@ietf.org =20 Subject: [OSPF] RE: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) =20 How about a situation like this =3D=3D> If same LSA (metric type E1 and metric being same) has been advertised by two different ASBRs, each having non-zero fwding address, then as per section 16.4, I find the following : 1. Both ASBRs are reachable. Route to ASBR A1 is via nexthop on interface IF1 while ASBR A2 is via nexthop on interface IF2. Both route entries are of the same cost and both their associated area being the same, subsequently the AS-paths to ASBR are of equal preference being Inter-area paths. 2. Considering the Fwd Address for the above ASBRs, if both of Fwd Address (one on each ASBR) happens to be reachable in the same pattern as above, then how do we break the tie ? On which interface should we expect the network (in this case 0.0.0.0) should get resolved as OSPF E1 ? =20 Thanks Jishnu =20 ________________________________ From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee@redback.com]=20 Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:41 PM To: Jishnu Banerjee Cc: ospf@ietf.org =20 Subject: Re: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) =20 Hi Jishnu, =20 On Aug 27, 2007, at 10:06 AM, Jishnu Banerjee wrote: =20 Hi Acee, I apologize for the doubt being presented to forum in verbose. In future, shall certainly take care of that. Coming back to the question: Referring to question 1, I misquoted it as Type 2 instead of Type 1. It is actually a OE1 route in routing table As Section 12.4.4 is not applicable in this situation, so can I expected the during SPF calculation each of these LSA will be considered (since each of the advertsing routers are reachable) and thus ECMP on OSPF route will get exhibited i.e.0.0.0.0 being learnt on multiple nexthops I would say that depends on whether the longest match OSPF route to forwarding address is an ECMP route. If it is, than yes I'd expect the OSPF External Type 1 route to be ECMP. Look at section 16.4 in RFC 2328 and it is clear that the route should be inherited from the forwarding address route.=20 =20 Acee =20 =20 =20 -jishnu =20 ________________________________ From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee@redback.com ]=20 Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:05 PM To: Jishnu Banerjee Cc: ospf@ietf.org ; Soman K. S Subject: Re: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route) =20 Jishnu, In the future, can you condense your questions down to specific protocol questions? This is not a forum for us to debug your network. See inline. =20 On Aug 27, 2007, at 9:11 AM, Jishnu Banerjee wrote: =20 =20 =20 \ /The router to be considered is R3. This R3 receives multiple External Type-1 LSAs due to "default-originate" being used on remote routers which lie beyond R1 & R2. Router R3 establishes adjacency with R1 and R2 on two different broadcast segments. FYI, I am just adding the database log: (from router R3) LS age: 1355 Network Mask: /0 Options: (No TOS-capability, No DC) Metric Type: 1 LS Type: AS External Link TOS: 0 Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External Network Number ) Metric: 6 Advertising Router: 202.87.37.230 Forward Address: 59.163.24.70 LS Seq Number: 80000085 External Route Tag: 0 =20 =20 Timer intervals configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait 40, Retransmit 5 Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type BROADCAST, Cost: 1 Suppress hello for 0 neighbor(s) show ip route ospf O*E1 0.0.0.0/0 [110/8][10] via 202.87.37.165, gigabitethernet1 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7EA07.AAD11058 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Hello,

    One correction to my previous mail,  I don’t think RFC 2328 = explicitly talks about ECMP path across different area’s. Acee can throw more = light.

    Regards

    =

    Nitin

     

    From: Nitin = Kakkar
    Sent: Tuesday, August 28, = 2007 11:11 PM
    To: 'Jishnu Banerjee'; = Acee Lindem
    Cc: ospf@ietf.org
    Subject: RE: [OSPF] RE: = Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route)

     

    Jisnu,

       As far as I = understand,  when forwarding address specified in a type 5 (or type 7)  LSA, is = not reachable via Intra/Inter area route, you will not use that LSA to = calculate route.

     

    ECMP is discussed in sec 16.8 =

    16.8. Equal-cost = multipath

    The OSPF protocol = maintains multiple equal-cost routes to all

    destinations. This can be = seen in the steps used above to

    calculate the routing = table, and in the definition of the

    routing table = structure.

    Each one = of the multiple routes will be of the same = type

    (intra-ar= ea, inter-area, type 1 external or type 2 = external),

    cost, = and will have the same associated area. However, = each

    route = may specify a separate next hop and Advertising = router.

     

     

      I don’t quite = understand the part “none of the Fwding addresses are reachable via list of nexthops”

     

    Hope this = helps

    Nitin

     

    From: = Jishnu Banerjee [mailto:jishnub@india.ba-sys.com]
    Sent: Tuesday, August 28, = 2007 10:40 PM
    To: Acee Lindem; Nitin = Kakkar
    Cc: ospf@ietf.org
    Subject: RE: [OSPF] RE: = Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route)

     

    Acee/Nitin,=

     

    “If ALL cost, type metric = matches both routes will be installed” è Is this what you advocate from the implementation = perspective ? Because I have not come across in the RFC (2328) or even Section G.7 (RFC 2178) = which mentions the same as you have advocated. Please correct me if my = understanding of the RFC is wrong in regards to the above = situation.

    As per your last email, external = destination N will appear as ECMP, although none of the Fwding Addresses are = reachable via list of nexthops.

     

    Jishnu =

     

    From: Acee = Lindem [mailto:acee@redback.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, August = 29, 2007 6:03 AM
    To: Nitin Kakkar
    Cc: Jishnu Banerjee; ospf@ietf.org
    Subject: Re: [OSPF] RE: = Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default route)

     

    Hi Nitin,

     

    Agree completely. 

     

    Thanks,

    Acee 

    On Aug 28, 2007, at 1:57 AM, Nitin Kakkar = wrote:

     

    Jisnu,

       You = have same prefix advertised in type 5 lsa, originated by two distinct = ASBR’s

      =   When ospf calculate route it will have to consider both lsa’s which = means cost to ASBR’s will come into play.   If ALL cost , type = metric matches both routes will be selected.  Otherwise best route will be = picked.

     

       = Same rule applies with or without forwarding address (assuming fwd address are = different).

    Hope this = helps

    Nitin<= /span>

    From: = Jishnu Banerjee [mailto:jishnub@india.ba-sys.com<= /a>]
    Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:52 PM
    To: Acee Lindem
    Cc:     ospf@ietf.org
    Subject: [OSPF] RE: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default = route)

     

    How about a = situation like this è

    If same LSA = (metric type E1 and metric being same) has been advertised by two different ASBRs, each = having non-zero fwding address, then as per section 16.4, I find the following = :

    1. Both ASBRs are reachable. Route to ASBR A1 is via nexthop on interface = IF1 while ASBR A2 is via nexthop on interface IF2. Both route entries = are of the same cost and both their associated area being the same, = subsequently the AS-paths to ASBR are of equal preference being Inter-area = paths.
    2. Considering the Fwd Address for the above ASBRs, if both of Fwd Address (one on = each ASBR) happens to be reachable in the same pattern as above, then = how do we break the tie ?

    On which interface should we expect the network (in this case 0.0.0.0) should get resolved as OSPF E1 ?

     

    Thanks Jishnu

     

    From: Acee Lindem = [mailto:acee@redback.com] =
    Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:41 PM
    To: Jishnu Banerjee
    Cc: ospf@ietf.org
    Subject: Re: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default = route)

     

    Hi = Jishnu,

     

    On Aug 27, 2007, at 10:06 AM, = Jishnu Banerjee = wrote:

     

    Hi = Acee,

    I apologize for the doubt being presented to forum in = verbose. In future, shall certainly take care of = that.

    Coming back to = the question: Referring to question 1, I misquoted it as Type 2 instead of = Type 1. It is actually a OE1 route in routing = table

    As Section = 12.4.4 is not applicable in this situation, so can I expected the during SPF = calculation each of these LSA will be considered (since each of the advertsing routers = are reachable) and thus ECMP on OSPF route will get exhibited i.e.0.0.0.0 = being learnt on multiple nexthops

    I would say that depends on = whether the longest match OSPF route to forwarding address is an ECMP route. If it = is, than yes I'd expect the OSPF External Type 1 route to be ECMP. Look at = section 16.4 in RFC 2328 and it is clear that the route should be inherited from the forwarding address route. 

     

    Acee

     

     

     

    -jishnu

     

    From: Acee Lindem = [mailto:acee@redback.com]
    Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:05 PM
    To: Jishnu = Banerjee
    Cc: ospf@ietf.org; Soman K. S
    Subject: Re: Route Calculation for Type-5 LSA (default = route)

     

    Jishnu,

    In the future, can you condense = your questions down to specific protocol questions? This is not a forum for us to debug = your network. See inline. 

     

    On Aug 27, 2007, at 9:11 AM, = Jishnu = Banerjee wrote:

     

     

     

             &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;  \            =            /The = router to be considered is R3. This R3 receives multiple External Type-1 LSAs due to “default-originate” being used on remote routers which lie = beyond R1 & R2. Router R3 establishes adjacency with R1 and R2 on two = different broadcast segments.

          = ; FYI, I am just adding the database log: (from router = R3)

      LS age: 1355

      Network Mask: /0

    Options: (No TOS-capability, No DC)

            Metric Type: 1

      LS Type: AS = External Link

            TOS: 0

      Link State ID: 0.0.0.0 (External = Network Number )

            Metric: 6

      Advertising Router: 202.87.37.230

            Forward Address: 59.163.24.70

      LS Seq Number: 80000085

            External Route Tag: 0

     

     

      Timer intervals configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait 40, Retransmit = 5

      Process ID 10, Router ID 202.87.37.225, Network Type BROADCAST, Cost: = 1

      Suppress hello for 0 neighbor(s)

    show ip route = ospf

    O*E1 0.0.0.0/0 [110/8][10] via 202.87.37.165, = gigabitethernet1

    =

     

     

     

     

     

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