From zzhang@juniper.net Wed Mar 7 11:18:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18EA911E808E for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 11:18:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.135 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.135 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.464, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DnjkmFLRGISB for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 11:18:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from exprod7og123.obsmtp.com (exprod7og123.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.24]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C3F611E807F for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 11:18:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from P-EMHUB02-HQ.jnpr.net ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob123.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKT1e0nYJSm/3kDm5WqB35rqnsioIoaSr/@postini.com; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 11:18:56 PST Received: from P-CLDFE02-HQ.jnpr.net (172.24.192.60) by P-EMHUB02-HQ.jnpr.net (172.24.192.36) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.213.0; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 11:17:25 -0800 Received: from p-emfe02-wf.jnpr.net (172.28.145.25) by p-cldfe02-hq.jnpr.net (172.24.192.60) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.355.2; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 11:17:24 -0800 Received: from EMBX01-WF.jnpr.net ([fe80::1914:3299:33d9:e43b]) by p-emfe02-wf.jnpr.net ([fe80::c126:c633:d2dc:8090%11]) with mapi; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 14:17:19 -0500 From: "Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang" To: Acee Lindem , Abhay Roy Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 14:17:18 -0500 Thread-Topic: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-ospf-hybrid-bcast-and-p2mp-01.txt Thread-Index: Acz3EIyMfH6oYXNoSlGbpZzGNXNFCgFha+LA Message-ID: <13205C286662DE4387D9AF3AC30EF456D767DDA583@EMBX01-WF.jnpr.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "OSPF@ietf.org List" Subject: [OSPF] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-ospf-hybrid-bcast-and-p2mp-01.txt X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 19:18:57 -0000 Hi, We submitted a new version to address Acee's comments in his email http://w= ww.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ospf/current/msg06294.html. We believe that the document is ready for a WGLC, and would like to request= for the call. Thanks. Jeffrey -----Original Message----- From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org]=20 Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 1:33 PM To: Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang Cc: Lili Wang; Nischal Sheth Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-ospf-hybrid-bcast-and-p2mp= -01.txt A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-ospf-hybrid-bcast-and-p2mp-01.txt has been= successfully submitted by Jeffrey Zhang and posted to the IETF repository. Filename: draft-ietf-ospf-hybrid-bcast-and-p2mp Revision: 01 Title: OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interface Type Creation date: 2012-03-01 WG ID: ospf Number of pages: 16 Abstract: This document describes a mechanism to model a broadcast network as a hybrid of broadcast and point-to-multipoint networks for purposes of OSPF operation. Neighbor discovery and maintenance as well as LSA database synchronization are performed using the broadcast model, but the network is represented using the point-to-multipoint model in the router LSAs of the routers connected to it. This allows an accurate representation of the cost of communication between different routers on the network, while maintaining the network efficiency of broadcast operation. This approach is relatively simple and requires minimal changes to OSPF. = =20 The IETF Secretariat From acee.lindem@ericsson.com Fri Mar 9 13:46:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FCD421E805E for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 13:46:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.089, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lc7glUG85y8j for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 13:46:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from imr4.ericy.com (imr4.ericy.com [198.24.6.9]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C018D21E8041 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 13:46:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from eusaamw0711.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.178]) by imr4.ericy.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id q29LkCa9021604; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 15:46:14 -0600 Received: from EUSAACMS0702.eamcs.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.229]) by eusaamw0711.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.178]) with mapi; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 16:46:12 -0500 From: Acee Lindem To: "Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang" Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 16:46:10 -0500 Thread-Topic: OSPF WG Last Call for OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interface Type - draft-ietf-ospf-hybrid-bcast-and-p2mp-01.txt Thread-Index: Acz+PguYMjcN4LXmSq2uUGyFAAD7vA== Message-ID: References: <13205C286662DE4387D9AF3AC30EF456D767DDA583@EMBX01-WF.jnpr.net> In-Reply-To: <13205C286662DE4387D9AF3AC30EF456D767DDA583@EMBX01-WF.jnpr.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail-170-835052695"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "OSPF@ietf.org List" Subject: [OSPF] OSPF WG Last Call for OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interface Type - draft-ietf-ospf-hybrid-bcast-and-p2mp-01.txt X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 21:46:16 -0000 --Apple-Mail-170-835052695 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This starts the WG last call for the subject document. Please review the = document and post any comments to this list by 12:00 AM PDT, March 24th, = 2012.=20 For your convenience, here is a URL for the new version: http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ospf-hybrid-bcast-and-p2mp-01.txt Thanks, Acee and Abhay On Mar 7, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang wrote: > Hi, >=20 > We submitted a new version to address Acee's comments in his email = http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ospf/current/msg06294.html. >=20 > We believe that the document is ready for a WGLC, and would like to = request for the call. >=20 > Thanks. > Jeffrey >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 1:33 PM > To: Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang > Cc: Lili Wang; Nischal Sheth > Subject: New Version Notification for = draft-ietf-ospf-hybrid-bcast-and-p2mp-01.txt >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-ospf-hybrid-bcast-and-p2mp-01.txt has = been successfully submitted by Jeffrey Zhang and posted to the IETF = repository. >=20 > Filename: draft-ietf-ospf-hybrid-bcast-and-p2mp > Revision: 01 > Title: OSPF Hybrid Broadcast and P2MP Interface Type > Creation date: 2012-03-01 > WG ID: ospf > Number of pages: 16 >=20 > Abstract: > This document describes a mechanism to model a broadcast network as = a > hybrid of broadcast and point-to-multipoint networks for purposes of > OSPF operation. Neighbor discovery and maintenance as well as LSA > database synchronization are performed using the broadcast model, = but > the network is represented using the point-to-multipoint model in = the > router LSAs of the routers connected to it. This allows an accurate > representation of the cost of communication between different = routers > on the network, while maintaining the network efficiency of = broadcast > operation. 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<0A9DC2F8-AA23-4ED6-87CB-A70850A0BDAD@ericsson.com> References: <1331551556.55267.YahooMailNeo@web193202.mail.sg3.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1331551556.55267.YahooMailNeo@web193202.mail.sg3.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail-3-1065377522"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "draft-acee-ospf-ospfv3-autoconfig@tools.ietf.org" , "OSPF@ietf.org List" , Lorenzo Colitti Subject: Re: [OSPF] draft-acee-ospf-ospfv3-autoconfig X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 13:45:10 -0000 --Apple-Mail-3-1065377522 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-1065377481 --Apple-Mail-2-1065377481 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Saurabh,=20 Thanks for reviewing both revisions of the draft. This draft was = presented at the HOMENET WG meeting at IETF 82. Lorenzo Colitti = suggested that if we were going to need to have an alternate Router-ID = selection mechanism in the event of a collision, why not just use that = single mechanism for the initial Router-ID selection? Jari and I = discussed this comment and decided to incorporate it into the draft.=20 Thanks, Acee On Mar 12, 2012, at 7:25 AM, Saurabh Srivastava wrote: > =20 > Hi There, > =20 > I was going through the previous version of the draft, the proposed = OSPFv3 Router ID Selection process was from MAC address on the router's = Ethernet interface. > =20 > In later version, its has been proposed to be selected from a = pseudo-random number. > =20 > I wonder, what problem you foresee if the router ID is chosen from MAC = address ? > =20 > Thanks in anticipation > =20 > Regards > =20 > Saurabh Srivastava > NEC India Private Limited --Apple-Mail-2-1065377481 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hi Saurabh, 

Thanks for reviewing both revisions of the draft. This draft was presented at the HOMENET WG meeting at IETF 82. Lorenzo Colitti suggested that if we were going to need to have an alternate Router-ID selection mechanism in the event of a collision, why not just use that single mechanism for the initial Router-ID selection? Jari and I discussed this comment and decided to incorporate it into the draft. 

Thanks,
Acee
On Mar 12, 2012, at 7:25 AM, Saurabh Srivastava wrote:

 
Hi There,
 
I was going through the previous version of the draft, the proposed OSPFv3 Router ID Selection process was from MAC address on the router's Ethernet interface.
 
In later version, its has been proposed to be selected from a pseudo-random number.
 
I wonder, what problem you foresee if the router ID is chosen from MAC address ?
 
Thanks in anticipation
 
Regards
 
Saurabh Srivastava
NEC India Private Limited

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BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gH1FnfwUmN5L for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 13:32:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imr4.ericy.com (imr4.ericy.com [198.24.6.9]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C46E11E8099 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 13:32:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eusaamw0706.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.31]) by imr4.ericy.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id q2CKW3FL003122 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:32:07 -0500 Received: from EUSAACMS0702.eamcs.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.229]) by eusaamw0706.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.31]) with mapi; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:32:04 -0400 From: Acee Lindem To: OSPF List Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:31:14 -0400 Thread-Topic: Draft Agenda for Paris OSPF WG Meeting Posted Thread-Index: Ac0Ajy9n2TG9buPYQXSTLbwigJqXpA== Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [OSPF] Draft Agenda for Paris OSPF WG Meeting Posted X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 20:32:08 -0000 I put the presentations more or less in order of increasing chance of discu= ssion. Please read the drafts.=20 http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/agenda/agenda-83-ospf.txt Thanks, Acee = From acee.lindem@ericsson.com Wed Mar 14 14:28:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A3ED21F8885 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:28:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.219 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.219 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.220, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_92=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z3lizb7qCpkV for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:28:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imr3.ericy.com (imr3.ericy.com [198.24.6.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C2021F8876 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eusaamw0706.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.31]) by imr3.ericy.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q2ELSCFi021955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Mar 2012 16:28:12 -0500 Received: from EUSAACMS0702.eamcs.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.229]) by eusaamw0706.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.31]) with mapi; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 17:28:10 -0400 From: Acee Lindem To: Shishio Tsuchiya Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 17:28:09 -0400 Thread-Topic: [OSPF] status of draft-ietf-ospf-rfc3137bis Thread-Index: Ac0CKVtTDT1y+jIZT7y+OfxMY32fqQ== Message-ID: References: <4F471A4C.1020107@cisco.com> <233E5A64-2E97-4F22-9D92-6C072952EE20@ericsson.com> <4F4C7F16.3040004@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4F4C7F16.3040004@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail-68--881511795"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "ospf@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ospf-rfc3137bis@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [OSPF] status of draft-ietf-ospf-rfc3137bis X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:28:16 -0000 --Apple-Mail-68--881511795 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii [Speaking as a WG member] Hi Shishio, I guess I didn't read this close enough the first time.=20 On Feb 28, 2012, at 2:15 AM, Shishio Tsuchiya wrote: > Acee > Thank you for information. > But a lot of vendors already supported the high link metric to = announce as stub. > Therefore I think the draft should describe both of high link metric = and R-bit. > What do you think if the author add only one or two sentence which = mentioned exist of R-bit to current internet draft? Due to its simplicity, I think the R-bit should be the preferred option. = Since all OSPFv3 implementations should support the R-bit, there are no = compatibility issues. Does everyone agree?=20 The only value I can see in using the high-link metric is that it allows = the existing implementations you cite to say they conform this draft. = Is that worth having two mechanisms?=20 Thanks, Acee=20 >=20 > Regards, > -Shishio >=20 > (2012/02/28 7:23), Acee Lindem wrote: >> Hi Shishio, >> If I remember correctly, there was discussion as to whether to just = use the R-bit rather than the high link metric for OSPFv3. Given the = goals of the draft, I'd be in favor of this change. >> Thanks, >> Acee >> On Feb 24, 2012, at 12:04 AM, Shishio Tsuchiya wrote: >>=20 >>> Hi >>> After this draft be WG documents,it expired. >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-rfc3137bis/ >>>=20 >>> Was there any objection? or just maintenance issue? >>>=20 >>> Regards, >>> -Shishio >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OSPF mailing list >>> OSPF@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >>=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-68--881511795 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIM8jCCBDQw ggMcoAMCAQICECFWwVQHDV12M/Sr0yNv0sYwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwOTERMA8GA1UECgwIRXJp Y3Nzb24xJDAiBgNVBAMMG0VyaWNzc29uIE5MIEluZGl2aWR1YWwgQ0EwMTAeFw0xMDEwMDEyMDA0 NTlaFw0xMzEwMDEyMDA0NDhaMG8xETAPBgNVBAoMCEVyaWNzc29uMR8wHQYDVQQDDBZBY2VlIExp 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shtsuchi@cisco.com Wed Mar 14 20:02:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A492A11E8087 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 20:02:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.162 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.162 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.837, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_92=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 61JqU4OZpopj for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 20:02:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bgl-iport-2.cisco.com (bgl-iport-2.cisco.com [72.163.197.26]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA24C11E8074 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 20:02:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=shtsuchi@cisco.com; l=2545; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1331780564; 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<4F471A4C.1020107@cisco.com> <233E5A64-2E97-4F22-9D92-6C072952EE20@ericsson.com> <4F4C7F16.3040004@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ospf@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ospf-rfc3137bis@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [OSPF] status of draft-ietf-ospf-rfc3137bis X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 03:02:48 -0000 Acee Thank you for reply. 2012/03/15 6:28), Acee Lindem wrote: > [Speaking as a WG member] > > Hi Shishio, > > I guess I didn't read this close enough the first time. > > On Feb 28, 2012, at 2:15 AM, Shishio Tsuchiya wrote: > >> Acee >> Thank you for information. >> But a lot of vendors already supported the high link metric to announce as stub. >> Therefore I think the draft should describe both of high link metric and R-bit. >> What do you think if the author add only one or two sentence which mentioned exist of R-bit to current internet draft? > > Due to its simplicity, I think the R-bit should be the preferred option. > Since all OSPFv3 implementations should support the R-bit, there are no compatibility issues. Does everyone agree? Yes,I strong agree that OSPFv3 should support the R-bit. It's described on rfc5340. My draft described two mode R-bit and high link metric. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-shishio-ospf-ospfv3-stub I thought Alvaro's the draft should describe only high link metric. http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/slides/ospf-2.pdf > > The only value I can see in using the high-link metric is that it allows the existing implementations you cite to say they conform this draft. > Is that worth having two mechanisms? I could not find any difference essentially in 2 modes when I wrote the draft and discuss about this topic. But merit of high-link metric are -easy to implementation : most of vendor already supported this mode. -same operation OSPFv2 and OSPFv3: the operator needs to check metric value.(do not need to know new bit) I agree R-bit should be preferred option, but I think the draft should describe high-link metric also. Regards, -Shishio > > Thanks, > Acee > > >> >> Regards, >> -Shishio >> >> (2012/02/28 7:23), Acee Lindem wrote: >>> Hi Shishio, >>> If I remember correctly, there was discussion as to whether to just use the R-bit rather than the high link metric for OSPFv3. Given the goals of the draft, I'd be in favor of this change. >>> Thanks, >>> Acee >>> On Feb 24, 2012, at 12:04 AM, Shishio Tsuchiya wrote: >>> >>>> Hi >>>> After this draft be WG documents,it expired. >>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-rfc3137bis/ >>>> >>>> Was there any objection? or just maintenance issue? >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> -Shishio >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> OSPF mailing list >>>> OSPF@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >>> >> >> > From acee.lindem@ericsson.com Thu Mar 15 07:44:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2524B21F86F7 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 07:44:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.912 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.912 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.513, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_31=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_92=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aWdKI+CjVMfj for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 07:44:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imr4.ericy.com (imr4.ericy.com [198.24.6.9]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B6E421F8455 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 07:44:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eusaamw0711.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.178]) by imr4.ericy.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id q2FEhw7s016784; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:44:51 -0500 Received: from EUSAACMS0702.eamcs.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.229]) by eusaamw0711.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.178]) with mapi; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 10:44:49 -0400 From: Acee Lindem To: Shishio Tsuchiya Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 10:44:48 -0400 Thread-Topic: [OSPF] status of draft-ietf-ospf-rfc3137bis Thread-Index: Ac0Cuix/TJdYeYEUQduPVL5e+Xaxtg== Message-ID: <20C678C1-E925-408B-B67B-22DC399AB8E1@ericsson.com> References: <4F471A4C.1020107@cisco.com> <233E5A64-2E97-4F22-9D92-6C072952EE20@ericsson.com> <4F4C7F16.3040004@cisco.com> <4F615BD0.4010601@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4F615BD0.4010601@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail-6--819313561"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "ospf@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ospf-rfc3137bis@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [OSPF] status of draft-ietf-ospf-rfc3137bis X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 14:44:53 -0000 --Apple-Mail-6--819313561 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Shishio, I just looked at the expired draft and it doesn't include any discussion = of the R-bit.=20 http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ospf-rfc3137bis-00.txt Can you put that in the next revision?=20 Thanks, Acee On Mar 14, 2012, at 11:02 PM, Shishio Tsuchiya wrote: > Acee > Thank you for reply. > 2012/03/15 6:28), Acee Lindem wrote: >> [Speaking as a WG member] >>=20 >> Hi Shishio, >>=20 >> I guess I didn't read this close enough the first time. >>=20 >> On Feb 28, 2012, at 2:15 AM, Shishio Tsuchiya wrote: >>=20 >>> Acee >>> Thank you for information. >>> But a lot of vendors already supported the high link metric to = announce as stub. >>> Therefore I think the draft should describe both of high link metric = and R-bit. >>> What do you think if the author add only one or two sentence which = mentioned exist of R-bit to current internet draft? >>=20 >> Due to its simplicity, I think the R-bit should be the preferred = option.=20 >> Since all OSPFv3 implementations should support the R-bit, there are = no compatibility issues. Does everyone agree? >=20 > Yes,I strong agree that OSPFv3 should support the R-bit. > It's described on rfc5340. > My draft described two mode R-bit and high link metric. > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-shishio-ospf-ospfv3-stub >=20 > I thought Alvaro's the draft should describe only high link metric. > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/slides/ospf-2.pdf >=20 >>=20 >> The only value I can see in using the high-link metric is that it = allows the existing implementations you cite to say they conform this = draft. =20 >> Is that worth having two mechanisms? >=20 > I could not find any difference essentially in 2 modes when I wrote = the draft and discuss about this topic. > But merit of high-link metric are > -easy to implementation : most of vendor already supported this mode. > -same operation OSPFv2 and OSPFv3: the operator needs to check metric = value.(do not need to know new bit) >=20 > I agree R-bit should be preferred option, but I think the draft should = describe high-link metric also. >=20 > Regards, > -Shishio >=20 >>=20 >> Thanks, >> Acee >>=20 >>=20 >>>=20 >>> Regards, >>> -Shishio >>>=20 >>> (2012/02/28 7:23), Acee Lindem wrote: >>>> Hi Shishio, >>>> If I remember correctly, there was discussion as to whether to just = use the R-bit rather than the high link metric for OSPFv3. Given the = goals of the draft, I'd be in favor of this change. >>>> Thanks, >>>> Acee >>>> On Feb 24, 2012, at 12:04 AM, Shishio Tsuchiya wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> Hi >>>>> After this draft be WG documents,it expired. >>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-rfc3137bis/ >>>>>=20 >>>>> Was there any objection? or just maintenance issue? >>>>>=20 >>>>> Regards, >>>>> -Shishio >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> OSPF mailing list >>>>> OSPF@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-6--819313561 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIM8jCCBDQw ggMcoAMCAQICECFWwVQHDV12M/Sr0yNv0sYwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwOTERMA8GA1UECgwIRXJp Y3Nzb24xJDAiBgNVBAMMG0VyaWNzc29uIE5MIEluZGl2aWR1YWwgQ0EwMTAeFw0xMDEwMDEyMDA0 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r6/r90BAjvNQHOOX6aGtu0oRIkBU3T42AAAAAAAA --Apple-Mail-6--819313561-- From michael_barnes@usa.net Thu Mar 15 14:59:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A3E621E8010 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 14:59:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.532 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.532 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=2.067] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2rqFXHxbHb9i for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 14:59:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01.mbox.net [165.212.64.31]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D674A21E8026 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 14:59:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01-lo [127.0.0.1]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B11B72AC793; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 21:59:49 +0000 (GMT) X-USANET-Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net [127.0.0.1] by cmsout01.mbox.net via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.72B) with ESMTP id 001qcoV8U6320M01; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 21:59:46 -0000 X-USANET-Routed: 3 gwsout-vs Q:bmvirus Received: from cmsapps01.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.136] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.72B) with ESMTP id XID209qcoV8U9674X01; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 21:59:45 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.136 IN michael_barnes@usa.net cmsapps01.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID209qcoV8U9674X01 Received: from web01.cms.usa.net [165.212.8.201] by cmsapps01.cms.usa.net (ESMTP/michael_barnes@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.72B) with ESMTP id 161qcoV8t7568M36; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 21:59:45 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 165.212.8.201 AUTO michael_barnes@usa.net web01.cms.usa.net Received: from 198.144.206.23 [198.144.206.23] by web01.cms.usa.net (USANET web-mailer C8.MAIN.3.77G); Thu, 15 Mar 2012 21:59:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 14:59:45 -0700 From: "Michael Barnes" To: X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (C8.MAIN.3.77G) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <507qcoV7t4416S01.1331848785@web01.cms.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Z-USANET-MsgId: XID161qcoV8t7568X36 Cc: draft-ietf-ospf-rfc3137bis@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [OSPF] status of draft-ietf-ospf-rfc3137bis X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 21:59:53 -0000 I agree with Shishio that high-link metric should certainly be covered. T= here are some cases where one method may be preferred to the other, so network= operators should have the choice. Regards, Michael ------ Original Message ------ Received: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:02:57 PM PDT From: Shishio Tsuchiya To: acee.lindem@ericsson.comCc: ospf@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ospf-rfc3137bis@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [OSPF] status of draft-ietf-ospf-rfc3137bis > I could not find any difference essentially in 2 modes when I wrote the= draft and discuss about this topic. > But merit of high-link metric are > -easy to implementation : most of vendor already supported this mode. > -same operation OSPFv2 and OSPFv3: the operator needs to check metric value.(do not need to know new bit) > = > I agree R-bit should be preferred option, but I think the draft should describe high-link metric also. > = > Regards, > -Shishio From acee.lindem@ericsson.com Fri Mar 16 13:33:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD54021F85C0 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 13:33:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.098, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tH2qbM4Rgrko for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 13:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imr4.ericy.com (imr4.ericy.com [198.24.6.9]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 356F521F85BE for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 13:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eusaamw0706.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.31]) by imr4.ericy.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id q2GKXiik001234; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 15:33:46 -0500 Received: from EUSAACMS0702.eamcs.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.229]) by eusaamw0706.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.31]) with mapi; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 16:33:40 -0400 From: Acee Lindem To: Michael Barnes Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 16:33:38 -0400 Thread-Topic: [OSPF] status of draft-ietf-ospf-rfc3137bis Thread-Index: Ac0DtBIxCkvl9fLATyqMdxYXsrFM/A== Message-ID: References: <507qcoV7t4416S01.1331848785@web01.cms.usa.net> In-Reply-To: <507qcoV7t4416S01.1331848785@web01.cms.usa.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail-2--711983327"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "ospf@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ospf-rfc3137bis@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [OSPF] status of draft-ietf-ospf-rfc3137bis X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 20:33:55 -0000 --Apple-Mail-2--711983327 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ok - it seems I'm outnumbered and I should concede to documenting both = options. I'd like to see the R-Bit as well. The draft is expired and = hopefully this will be covered in the revision.=20 Thanks, Acee=20 On Mar 15, 2012, at 5:59 PM, Michael Barnes wrote: > I agree with Shishio that high-link metric should certainly be = covered. There > are some cases where one method may be preferred to the other, so = network > operators should have the choice. >=20 > Regards, > Michael >=20 > ------ Original Message ------ > Received: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:02:57 PM PDT > From: Shishio Tsuchiya > To: acee.lindem@ericsson.comCc: ospf@ietf.org, > draft-ietf-ospf-rfc3137bis@tools.ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OSPF] status of draft-ietf-ospf-rfc3137bis >=20 >=20 >> I could not find any difference essentially in 2 modes when I wrote = the > draft and discuss about this topic. >> But merit of high-link metric are >> -easy to implementation : most of vendor already supported this mode. >> -same operation OSPFv2 and OSPFv3: the operator needs to check metric > value.(do not need to know new bit) >>=20 >> I agree R-bit should be preferred option, but I think the draft = should > describe high-link metric also. >>=20 >> Regards, >> -Shishio >=20 > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > 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RFC 6549 Title: OSPFv2 Multi-Instance Extensions Author: A. Lindem, A. Roy, S. Mirtorabi Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: March 2012 Mailbox: acee.lindem@ericsson.com, akr@cisco.com, sina@cisco.com Pages: 9 Characters: 16639 Updates: RFC2328 I-D Tag: draft-ietf-ospf-multi-instance-09.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6549.txt OSPFv3 includes a mechanism to support multiple instances of the protocol running on the same interface. OSPFv2 can utilize such a mechanism in order to support multiple routing domains on the same subnet. This document defines the OSPFv2 Instance ID to enable separate OSPFv2 protocol instances on the same interface. Unlike OSPFv3 where the Instance ID can be used for multiple purposes, such as putting the same interface in multiple areas, the OSPFv2 Instance ID is reserved for identifying protocol instances. This document updates RFC 2328. 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The RFC Editor Team Association Management Solutions, LLC From acee.lindem@ericsson.com Fri Mar 23 15:34:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE1A21F85DA for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 15:34:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.507 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.507 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.092, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bvblECFj6RWq for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 15:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imr4.ericy.com (imr4.ericy.com [198.24.6.9]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43B6E21F85D8 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 15:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eusaamw0707.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.32]) by imr4.ericy.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id q2NMY8xJ001811 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 17:34:10 -0500 Received: from EUSAACMS0702.eamcs.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.229]) by eusaamw0707.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.32]) with mapi; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 18:34:07 -0400 From: Acee Lindem To: Acee Lindem Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 18:34:07 -0400 Thread-Topic: [OSPF] OSPF WG Last Call for "Hiding Transit-only Networks in OSPF " - Thread-Index: Ac0JRQ8HHCU2PhkxT4an1+R1Dk0WtA== Message-ID: References: <84AB6152-7E34-4E21-9D2E-32DB3ACD93DE@ericsson.com> <529797C2-F390-4224-A1DC-EBDC5142BC9F@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <529797C2-F390-4224-A1DC-EBDC5142BC9F@ericsson.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: OSPF List Subject: Re: [OSPF] OSPF WG Last Call for "Hiding Transit-only Networks in OSPF " - X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 22:34:11 -0000 The OSPF WG last call has ended. There was a comment related to OSPFv3 whic= h Alvaro will update the draft to reflect.=20 Thanks, Acee=20 On Feb 8, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Acee Lindem wrote: > As I have heard no objections, I'm beginning the 2 week OSPF Working Grou= p last call for draft-ietf-ospf-prefix-hiding-02.txt. > Please review the draft and post your last call comments prior to 12:00 A= M PDT on February 23nd, 2012.=20 > Here is a URL for your convenience:=20 >=20 > http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ospf-prefix-hiding-02.txt >=20 > Thanks, > Acee=20 >=20 > On Jan 26, 2012, at 11:19 AM, Acee Lindem wrote: >=20 >> As WG co-chair, I have reviewed this document and believe it is ready fo= r OSPF WG last call. Any other opinions?=20 >> There is at least one implementation. Here is a URL for you convenience: >>=20 >> http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ospf-prefix-hiding-01.txt >>=20 >> There is an IPR disclosure on this draft: >>=20 >> http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1423/ >>=20 >> I will start WG last call next week if I don't hear any objections. >>=20 >> Thanks, >> Acee >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> OSPF mailing list >> OSPF@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >=20 > _______________________________________________ > OSPF mailing list > OSPF@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf From shtsuchi@cisco.com Mon Mar 26 04:43:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC84121F86AD for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 04:43:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_31=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_92=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OL0oHmjyYywQ for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 04:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 960D321F86C4 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 04:42:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=shtsuchi@cisco.com; l=3195; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1332762167; x=1333971767; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NfARkeL3eBsTv3qUhPARRN8w7tM0yEvmW3J4e5AxUwE=; b=cs/XjXTX1y5nmAAOl5wiQEwI89vXywA0wVx3MBCTh2+XZWNR/VwpySIf VX85yrs5uzh+HY4SGE1Cven5nPkCuQpvobtdQ2qW0ViJuyFHOkU1dfXsR rDQ2uUw8AfpsXHLhtS+5XFyP7UrbRI6jbxEG/ZW/TIK00fQMttBf0hSu2 c=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,650,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="133349102" Received: from ams-core-3.cisco.com ([144.254.72.76]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 26 Mar 2012 11:42:42 +0000 Received: from [10.55.81.69] (dhcp-10-55-81-69.cisco.com [10.55.81.69]) by ams-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q2QBgejD031410; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:42:41 GMT Message-ID: <4F705631.2080709@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:42:41 +0200 From: Shishio Tsuchiya User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120312 Thunderbird/11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: acee.lindem@ericsson.com References: <4F471A4C.1020107@cisco.com> <233E5A64-2E97-4F22-9D92-6C072952EE20@ericsson.com> <4F4C7F16.3040004@cisco.com> <4F615BD0.4010601@cisco.com> <20C678C1-E925-408B-B67B-22DC399AB8E1@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <20C678C1-E925-408B-B67B-22DC399AB8E1@ericsson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ospf@ietf.org, draft-ietf-ospf-rfc3137bis@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [OSPF] status of draft-ietf-ospf-rfc3137bis X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:43:01 -0000 Acee I had discussed Alvaro and co-authors about this by mail. Alvaro will update the draft after this ietf. Regards, -Shishio (2012/03/15 15:44), Acee Lindem wrote: > Hi Shishio, > > I just looked at the expired draft and it doesn't include any discussion of the R-bit. > > http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ospf-rfc3137bis-00.txt > > Can you put that in the next revision? > > Thanks, > Acee > > On Mar 14, 2012, at 11:02 PM, Shishio Tsuchiya wrote: > >> Acee >> Thank you for reply. >> 2012/03/15 6:28), Acee Lindem wrote: >>> [Speaking as a WG member] >>> >>> Hi Shishio, >>> >>> I guess I didn't read this close enough the first time. >>> >>> On Feb 28, 2012, at 2:15 AM, Shishio Tsuchiya wrote: >>> >>>> Acee >>>> Thank you for information. >>>> But a lot of vendors already supported the high link metric to announce as stub. >>>> Therefore I think the draft should describe both of high link metric and R-bit. >>>> What do you think if the author add only one or two sentence which mentioned exist of R-bit to current internet draft? >>> >>> Due to its simplicity, I think the R-bit should be the preferred option. >>> Since all OSPFv3 implementations should support the R-bit, there are no compatibility issues. Does everyone agree? >> >> Yes,I strong agree that OSPFv3 should support the R-bit. >> It's described on rfc5340. >> My draft described two mode R-bit and high link metric. >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-shishio-ospf-ospfv3-stub >> >> I thought Alvaro's the draft should describe only high link metric. >> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/slides/ospf-2.pdf >> >>> >>> The only value I can see in using the high-link metric is that it allows the existing implementations you cite to say they conform this draft. >>> Is that worth having two mechanisms? >> >> I could not find any difference essentially in 2 modes when I wrote the draft and discuss about this topic. >> But merit of high-link metric are >> -easy to implementation : most of vendor already supported this mode. >> -same operation OSPFv2 and OSPFv3: the operator needs to check metric value.(do not need to know new bit) >> >> I agree R-bit should be preferred option, but I think the draft should describe high-link metric also. >> >> Regards, >> -Shishio >> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Acee >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> -Shishio >>>> >>>> (2012/02/28 7:23), Acee Lindem wrote: >>>>> Hi Shishio, >>>>> If I remember correctly, there was discussion as to whether to just use the R-bit rather than the high link metric for OSPFv3. Given the goals of the draft, I'd be in favor of this change. >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Acee >>>>> On Feb 24, 2012, at 12:04 AM, Shishio Tsuchiya wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi >>>>>> After this draft be WG documents,it expired. >>>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-rfc3137bis/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Was there any objection? or just maintenance issue? >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> -Shishio >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> OSPF mailing list >>>>>> OSPF@ietf.org >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > From acee.lindem@ericsson.com Mon Mar 26 05:52:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA28121F863B for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 05:52:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.509 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.509 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.090, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eYemq9qLToAn for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 05:52:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imr4.ericy.com (imr4.ericy.com [198.24.6.9]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FBB621F8613 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 05:52:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eusaamw0712.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.181]) by imr4.ericy.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id q2QCqKPL025160 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 07:52:21 -0500 Received: from EUSAACMS0702.eamcs.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.83]) by eusaamw0712.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.181]) with mapi; Mon, 26 Mar 2012 08:52:15 -0400 From: Acee Lindem To: OSPF List Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 08:52:13 -0400 Thread-Topic: Note Taker for OSPF WG Meeting Thread-Index: Ac0LT0SF2xiFCISbSlWYIkpph3dHQg== Message-ID: <80672ED4-3B40-4FFB-8C2E-64AD434E3348@ericsson.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [OSPF] Note Taker for OSPF WG Meeting X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:52:22 -0000 Please unicast Abhay or myself if you can be the scribe at the OSPF WG meet= ing.=20 Acee=