From nobody Mon Feb 1 13:36:07 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA8A81B3724; Mon, 1 Feb 2016 13:36:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.903 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.903 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YfqQaIT8k2Tj; Mon, 1 Feb 2016 13:36:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [IPv6:2001:1900:3001:11::31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 788ED1B371E; Mon, 1 Feb 2016 13:36:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id EEC6B180011; Mon, 1 Feb 2016 13:35:56 -0800 (PST) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org X-PHP-Originating-Script: 1005:ams_util_lib.php From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Message-Id: <20160201213556.EEC6B180011@rfc-editor.org> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 13:35:56 -0800 (PST) Archived-At: Cc: drafts-update-ref@iana.org, ospf@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [OSPF] RFC 7770 on Extensions to OSPF for Advertising Optional Router Capabilities X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2016 21:36:06 -0000 A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 7770 Title: Extensions to OSPF for Advertising Optional Router Capabilities Author: A. Lindem, Ed., N. Shen, JP. Vasseur, R. Aggarwal, S. Shaffer Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: February 2016 Mailbox: acee@cisco.com, naiming@cisco.com, jpv@cisco.com, raggarwa_1@yahoo.com, sshaffer@akamai.com Pages: 15 Characters: 32855 Obsoletes: RFC 4970 I-D Tag: draft-ietf-ospf-rfc4970bis-07.txt URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7770 DOI: http://dx.doi.org/10.17487/RFC7770 It is useful for routers in an OSPFv2 or OSPFv3 routing domain to know the capabilities of their neighbors and other routers in the routing domain. This document proposes extensions to OSPFv2 and OSPFv3 for advertising optional router capabilities. The Router Information (RI) Link State Advertisement (LSA) is defined for this purpose. In OSPFv2, the RI LSA will be implemented with an Opaque LSA type ID. In OSPFv3, the RI LSA will be implemented with a unique LSA type function code. In both protocols, the RI LSA can be advertised at any of the defined flooding scopes (link, area, or autonomous system (AS)). This document obsoletes RFC 4970 by providing a revised specification that includes support for advertisement of multiple instances of the RI LSA and a TLV for functional capabilities. This document is a product of the Open Shortest Path First IGP Working Group of the IETF. This is now a Proposed Standard. STANDARDS TRACK: This document specifies an Internet Standards Track protocol for the Internet community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements. Please refer to the current edition of the Official Internet Protocol Standards (https://www.rfc-editor.org/standards) for the standardization state and status of this protocol. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. This announcement is sent to the IETF-Announce and rfc-dist lists. 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micalg=pgp-sha256 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "draft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discriminator@ietf.org" , OSPF WG List Subject: Re: [OSPF] More Comments on OSPF S-BFD Discriminator X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 19:16:47 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_93279AF2-0F34-4DF0-836C-CAD27B6121DF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F51973B2-8E0E-489D-852A-72C567E70E7B" --Apple-Mail=_F51973B2-8E0E-489D-852A-72C567E70E7B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi, Acee, Following up on your note below regarding = draft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discriminator, could you request publication and = send this document to the IESG? [BTW, its sibling document on ISIS is already in IESG ballot.] Thanks! =E2=80=94 Carlos. > On Nov 11, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) = wrote: >=20 > I was more concerned about the consumer of the information than the = IGPs. I did look at base S-BFD draft and I agree this unspecified. = Let=E2=80=99s go forward than with the proposed text and I will request = publication. >=20 > Thanks, > Acee >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_F51973B2-8E0E-489D-852A-72C567E70E7B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi, Acee,

Following up on your note below regarding = draft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discriminator, could you request publication and = send this document to the IESG?

[BTW, its sibling document on ISIS is = already in IESG ballot.]

Thanks!

=E2=80=94 Carlos.

On Nov 11, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> = wrote:

I was more concerned = about the consumer of the information than the IGPs. I did look at base = S-BFD draft and I agree this unspecified. Let=E2=80=99s go forward than = with the proposed text and I will request publication. 

Thanks,
Acee 



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"draft-ietf-ospf-yang@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: draft-ietf-ospf-yang-03 questions and doubts Thread-Index: AdE3NLGjjtMGuql0QfiSt+s9ulh9zgoPjYmA Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 19:38:51 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.6.0.151221 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.24.80.181] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D2D8C45173937myeungciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "ospf@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [OSPF] draft-ietf-ospf-yang-03 questions and doubts X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 19:38:58 -0000 --_000_D2D8C45173937myeungciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Alan, Thanks for the comments. As you have pointed out, there are OSPFv3 specific fields missing in the mo= del now. For example, instance ID and interface ID. We will add them in the= next update. As for the DR, DR is conceptually one of the neighbor. In OSPFv2, the DR's router ID and IP address are used in protocol operation= . While in OSPFv3, the DR's router ID and interface ID are used in protocol o= peration. According to OSPFv2 and OSPFv3 RFC, the interface structure should keep bot= h the DR's router ID and IP address. We have the following in the current model. grouping interface-operation { leaf dr { type inet:ipv4-address; description "Designated Router (DR) IP address."; } } grouping neighbor-operation { leaf dr { type yang:dotted-quad; description "Designated Router."; } } To better match the RFC and accommodate both OSPFv2 and OSPFv3 in a cleaner= way, we plan to make the following changes. grouping interface-operation { leaf dr-router-id { type yang:dotted-quad; description "Designated Router (DR) router ID."; } leaf dr-ip-address { type inet:ip-address; description "Designated Router (DR) IP address."; } } grouping neighbor-operation { leaf dr-router-id { type yang:dotted-quad; description "Neighbor's Designated Router (DR) router ID."; } leaf dr-ip-address { type inet:ip-address; description "Neighbor's Designated Router (DR) IP address."; } } If one need the DR's interface ID in the OSPFv3 case, it could be found by = locating the neighbor entry for the DR and get the interface ID (To be adde= d) field there. Comments welcome. Thanks, - Derek From: Alan Davey > Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 8:23 AM To: "draft-ietf-ospf-yang@ietf.org" <= draft-ietf-ospf-yang@ietf.org> Cc: "ospf@ietf.org" > Subject: draft-ietf-ospf-yang-03 questions and doubts Folks I have a doubt about draft-ietf-ospf-yang-03. Please let me know your thou= ghts on the following. The text is OSPFv2-specific in places. I think that it would be better to = define separate top-level groupings and containers for OSPFv2 and OSPFv3 an= d define common groupings and containers, where possible, that are used by = both. For example, grouping interface-operation contains the following, which is = incorrect for OSPFv3. - leaf dr with type ipv4-address - leaf bdr with type ipv4-address. I think that it would be better to define something along the following lin= es. - ospfv3-interface-operation { o uses interface-config o uses ospf-common-interface-operation o leaf dr { =A7 type if:interface-ref =A7 description: =B7 "The remote interface ID used by the Designated Route= r on =B7 this link. This is the interface index of the interf= ace local to the DR."; o etc - ospfv2-interface-operation { o uses interface-config o uses ospf-common-interface-operation o leaf dr { =A7 type inet:ipv4-address; =A7 description "Designated Router (DR) IP address."; o etc. Regards Alan Davey --_000_D2D8C45173937myeungciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <5EF8343153984E4E94A5C128EC07FA17@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Alan,

Thanks for the comments.
As you have pointed out, there are OSPFv3 specific fields missing in t= he model now. For example, instance ID and interface ID. We will add them i= n the next update.

As for the DR, DR is conceptually one of the neighbor. 
In OSPFv2, the DR's router ID and IP address are used in protocol oper= ation.
While in OSPFv3, the DR's router ID and interface ID are used in proto= col operation.
According to OSPFv2 and OSPFv3 RFC, the interface structure should kee= p both the DR's router ID and IP address.

We have the following in the current model.

  grouping interface-operation {
    leaf dr {
      type inet:ipv4-address;
      description "Designated Router (DR) IP addre= ss.";
    }
  }
  grouping neighbor-operation {
    leaf dr {
      type yang:dotted-quad;
      description
        "Designated Router.";
    }
  }

To better match the RFC and accommodate both OSPFv2 and OSPFv3 in a cl= eaner way, we plan to make the following changes.

  grouping interface-operation {
    leaf dr-router-id {
      type yang:dotted-quad;
      description
        "Designated Router (DR) router ID.&qu= ot;;
    }
    leaf dr-ip-address {
      type inet:ip-address;
      description "Designated Router (DR) IP addre= ss.";
    }
  }
  grouping neighbor-operation {
    leaf dr-router-id {
      type yang:dotted-quad;
      description
        "Neighbor's Designated Router (DR) ro= uter ID.";
    }
    leaf dr-ip-address {
      type inet:ip-address;
      description "Neighbor's Designated Router (D= R) IP address.";
    }
  }

If one need the DR's interface ID in the OSPFv3 case, it could be foun= d by locating the neighbor entry for the DR and get the interface ID (To be= added) field there.

Comments welcome.

Thanks,
- Derek

From: Alan Davey <Alan.Davey@metaswitch.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 8:= 23 AM
To: "draft-ietf-ospf-yang@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-ospf-yang@ietf.org= >
Cc: "ospf@ietf.org" <ospf@i= etf.org>
Subject: draft-ietf-ospf-yang-03 qu= estions and doubts

Folks

 

I have a doubt about draft-ietf-ospf-yang-03.  = Please let me know your thoughts on the following.

 

The text is OSPFv2-specific in places.  I think= that it would be better to define separate top-level groupings and contain= ers for OSPFv2 and OSPFv3 and define common groupings and containers, where= possible, that are used by both.

 

For example, grouping interface-operation contains t= he following, which is incorrect for OSPFv3.

 

- &nb= sp;        leaf dr with type ipv4-address

- &nb= sp;        leaf bdr with type ipv4-address.

I think that it would be better to define something = along the following lines.

 

- &nb= sp;        ospfv3-interface-operation {

o   uses interface-config

o   uses ospf-common-interface-operation

o   leaf dr {

=A7  type if:interface-ref

=A7  description:

= =B7 = =B7 o   etc

- &nb= sp;        ospfv2-interface-operation {

o   uses interface-config

o   uses ospf-common-interface-operation

o   leaf dr {

=A7        &nbs= p;  type inet:ipv4-address;

=A7        &nbs= p;  description "Designated Router (DR) IP address.";

o   etc.

 

Regards

Alan Davey

 

 --_000_D2D8C45173937myeungciscocom_-- From nobody Thu Feb 4 11:47:50 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68CC81ACE96; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 11:47:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3vsS7lQdjThU; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 11:47:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.86.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C3A31ACE6D; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 11:47:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=10956; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1454615267; x=1455824867; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=UtGvLeZpdjkz/PorVj4ZyPJdun9qnillWeWtJQDroLo=; b=dEAtEd5BDq8trsEgQTjGn+jYuuc7sQBr9Ur9R7JnH+n6a6FxYpW25NAU lbuIk2sEepKeVu9fOJdIY/iNy02CRu3RJphm92anyx7cEyhiLL9CTTXjx Klvq4BQoH+G+hi5vAb+Bumx75v1lE9H6PJo4Jj6clUS5xo7bkiHVc1Vbx 8=; X-Files: signature.asc : 841 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0C1AgD8qbNW/5FdJa1egm5MUl4PBohVr?= =?us-ascii?q?m6CEw6BZiOFagKBPzgUAQEBAQEBAYEKhEEBAQEDASNWBQsCAQgRAwECAScDAgI?= =?us-ascii?q?hERQJCAIEDgUOh3gDCggOsWKKUA2EPwEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQ0EB?= =?us-ascii?q?IYSgW2CSoI3ghsNglMrgQ8FkmyEBQGCfYFjaoYRgXOBW40Whn+Db4NRAR4BQ4I?= =?us-ascii?q?DGYFIagGHLXwBAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.22,396,1449532800"; d="asc'?scan'208,217";a="68348286" Received: from rcdn-core-9.cisco.com ([173.37.93.145]) by rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 04 Feb 2016 19:47:46 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-003.cisco.com (xch-rtp-003.cisco.com [64.101.220.143]) by rcdn-core-9.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u14JlkSc029714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Feb 2016 19:47:46 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-020.cisco.com (64.101.220.160) by XCH-RTP-003.cisco.com (64.101.220.143) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 14:47:45 -0500 Received: from xch-rtp-020.cisco.com ([64.101.220.160]) by XCH-RTP-020.cisco.com ([64.101.220.160]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.009; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 14:47:45 -0500 From: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" Thread-Topic: [OSPF] More Comments on OSPF S-BFD Discriminator Thread-Index: AQHRX4CVRGRf7e6ISkyrMJZ6tz0da58cmAUAgAAGoYA= Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 19:47:45 +0000 Message-ID: References: <8ef4f51407804a91950ab126277368a6@XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.82.214.67] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_86106BFD-795C-45B9-8E51-70EB05635649"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "draft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discriminator@ietf.org" , OSPF WG List Subject: Re: [OSPF] More Comments on OSPF S-BFD Discriminator X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 19:47:49 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_86106BFD-795C-45B9-8E51-70EB05635649 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_DC75998D-13DA-425B-B565-BF2BE8E86B66" --Apple-Mail=_DC75998D-13DA-425B-B565-BF2BE8E86B66 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi, Acee, > On Feb 4, 2016, at 2:24 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: >=20 > Hi Carlos, >=20 > From: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" > > Date: Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 2:16 PM > To: Acee Lindem > > Cc: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" >, Manav Bhatia >, = "draft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discriminator@ietf.org = " = >, OSPF WG List = > > Subject: Re: [OSPF] More Comments on OSPF S-BFD Discriminator >=20 > Hi, Acee, >=20 > Following up on your note below regarding = draft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discriminator, could you request publication and = send this document to the IESG? >=20 > Has the document been updated with the proposed text? It hasn=E2=80=99t = been modified since Sept 24, 2015. >=20 Yes. The only text modification proposed and to be implemented was done = here: = https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discriminator-0= 2.txt = I do not believe there was anything else pending. Do you mean something = else? Thanks! Carlos. > Thanks, > Acee >=20 >=20 > [BTW, its sibling document on ISIS is already in IESG ballot.] >=20 > Thanks! >=20 > =E2=80=94 Carlos. >=20 >> On Nov 11, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) > wrote: >>=20 >> I was more concerned about the consumer of the information than the = IGPs. I did look at base S-BFD draft and I agree this unspecified. = Let=E2=80=99s go forward than with the proposed text and I will request = publication. >>=20 >> Thanks, >> Acee >>=20 >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_DC75998D-13DA-425B-B565-BF2BE8E86B66 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi, Acee,

On Feb 4, 2016, at 2:24 PM, = Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote:

Hi Carlos, 

From: "Carlos = Pignataro (cpignata)" <cpignata@cisco.com>
Date: Thursday, = February 4, 2016 at 2:16 PM
To: Acee Lindem = <acee@cisco.com> Cc: "Les Ginsberg = (ginsberg)" <ginsberg@cisco.com>, Manav Bhatia <manavbhatia@gmail.com>, "draft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discriminator@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discriminator@ietf.org>, OSPF WG = List <ospf@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [OSPF] = More Comments on OSPF S-BFD Discriminator

Hi, Acee,

Following up on your note below regarding = draft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discriminator, could you request publication and = send this document to the IESG?

Has the document been updated with the proposed text? It = hasn=E2=80=99t been modified since Sept 24, 2015. 


Yes. The only text modification proposed and to be = implemented was done here:

I do not = believe there was anything else pending. Do you mean something = else?

Thanks!

Carlos.

Thanks,
Acee


[BTW, its sibling document on ISIS is already in IESG = ballot.]

Thanks!

=E2=80=94 Carlos.

On Nov 11, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> = wrote:

I was more concerned about the consumer of the information than the = IGPs. I did look at base S-BFD draft and I agree this unspecified. = Let=E2=80=99s go forward than with the proposed text and I will request = publication. 

Thanks,
Acee 

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Can you do it if you have one with you? Cheers, Manav On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 1:17 AM, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) < cpignata@cisco.com> wrote: > Hi, Acee, > > On Feb 4, 2016, at 2:24 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > > Hi Carlos, > > From: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" > Date: Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 2:16 PM > To: Acee Lindem > Cc: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" , Manav Bhatia < > manavbhatia@gmail.com>, "draft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discriminator@ietf.org" < > draft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discriminator@ietf.org>, OSPF WG List > Subject: Re: [OSPF] More Comments on OSPF S-BFD Discriminator > > Hi, Acee, > > Following up on your note below regarding > draft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discriminator, could you request publication and sen= d > this document to the IESG? > > > Has the document been updated with the proposed text? It hasn=E2=80=99t b= een > modified since Sept 24, 2015. > > > Yes. The only text modification proposed and to be implemented was done > here: > > https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discriminator-= 02.txt > > I do not believe there was anything else pending. Do you mean something > else? > > Thanks! > > Carlos. > > Thanks, > Acee > > > [BTW, its sibling document on ISIS is already in IESG ballot.] > > Thanks! > > =E2=80=94 Carlos. > > On Nov 11, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > > I was more concerned about the consumer of the information than the IGPs. > I did look at base S-BFD draft and I agree this unspecified. Let=E2=80=99= s go > forward than with the proposed text and I will request publication. > > Thanks, > Acee > > > > > --001a11422c00a3c0a0052afcf5bf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Carlos,

I think we need to add the f= ollowing in the current version:

=E2=80=9CWhen multiple= S-BFD discriminators are advertised how a given discriminator is mapped to= a specific use case is out of scope for this document.=E2=80=9D

I dont have the xml with me that i can update. Can you do it if yo= u have one with you?

Cheers, Manav

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 a= t 1:17 AM, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) <cpignata@cisco.com>= wrote:
Hi, Acee,

O= n Feb 4, 2016, at 2:24 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote:

Hi Carlos,=C2=A0

From: "Carlos Pignataro (cpign= ata)" <cpig= nata@cisco.com>
Date: Thursday, February 4, 2016 at= 2:16 PM
To: Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com>
Cc: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)&q= uot; <ginsberg@c= isco.com>, Manav Bhatia <manavbhatia@gmail.com>, "draft-ietf-os= pf-sbfd-discriminator@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discriminator@ietf.org>, OSPF WG Li= st <ospf@ietf.org= >
Subject: Re: [OSPF] More Comments o= n OSPF S-BFD Discriminator

Hi, Acee,

Following up on your note below regarding draft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discrim= inator, could you request publication and send this document to the IESG?

Has the document been updated with the proposed text? It hasn=E2=80=99= t been modified since Sept 24, 2015.=C2=A0


Yes. The= only text modification proposed and to be implemented was done here:
=

I= do not believe there was anything else pending. Do you mean something else= ?

Thanks!

Carlos.

Thanks,
Acee


[BTW, its sibling document on ISIS is already in IESG ballot.]

Thanks!

=E2=80=94 Carlos.

On Nov 11, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote:

I was more concerned about the consumer of the information than the IGPs. I= did look at base S-BFD draft and I agree this unspecified. Let=E2=80=99s g= o forward than with the proposed text and I will request publication.=C2=A0=

Thanks,
Acee=C2=A0


--001a11422c00a3c0a0052afcf5bf-- From nobody Thu Feb 4 19:33:49 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC8771B3444; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 19:33:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wfghKMUaJ0Wm; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 19:33:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-6.cisco.com (alln-iport-6.cisco.com [173.37.142.93]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 85F1E1A8F3B; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 19:33:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=13342; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1454643226; x=1455852826; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=7OZ2ZpOWinPG5X2FOx1FqK6OqGAw9RE0CcJjQg2MvKk=; b=RWcMHBhJ9CLVw8BybzciMGHaKP764XdROo20ebWQF1Vy10y8sqciunDA rIF4ILXLUFSkjHLr66cLZAW94eLDm2Q5zgjYCTFnmNd9X3abrd3gaq89t APLOhyVqFYdcEhQtC9mNRw6vfvy8t5XRIz9fi5Ywl60NT9QQ9FdZsR6WL 0=; X-Files: signature.asc : 841 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0DCAgAzF7RW/4wNJK1egm5MUm0GiFWue?= =?us-ascii?q?IITDoFmI4VqAoE6OBQBAQEBAQEBgQqEQQEBAQMBI1YFCwIBCBEDAQIBJwMCAiE?= =?us-ascii?q?RFAkIAgQOBQ6HeAMKCA6xKIoaDYRHAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBDQQEh?= =?us-ascii?q?hKBbYJKgjeCGw2CUyuBDwWSbIQFAYJ9gWRqhhGBc4FbjRaFb4EPg2+DUQEeAUO?= =?us-ascii?q?CAxmBSGoBiH98AQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.22,398,1449532800"; d="asc'?scan'208,217";a="235086996" Received: from alln-core-7.cisco.com ([173.36.13.140]) by alln-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 05 Feb 2016 03:33:45 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-015.cisco.com (xch-rtp-015.cisco.com [64.101.220.155]) by alln-core-7.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u153Xjqr002076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Feb 2016 03:33:45 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-020.cisco.com (64.101.220.160) by XCH-RTP-015.cisco.com (64.101.220.155) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 22:33:44 -0500 Received: from xch-rtp-020.cisco.com ([64.101.220.160]) by XCH-RTP-020.cisco.com ([64.101.220.160]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.009; Thu, 4 Feb 2016 22:33:44 -0500 From: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" To: Manav Bhatia Thread-Topic: [OSPF] More Comments on OSPF S-BFD Discriminator Thread-Index: AQHRX4CVRGRf7e6ISkyrMJZ6tz0da58cmAUAgAAGoYCAAHcEAIAACy0A Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 03:33:44 +0000 Message-ID: References: <8ef4f51407804a91950ab126277368a6@XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.82.214.67] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_61477233-D1AB-4DA3-B963-37FE11ECC53C"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "draft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discriminator@ietf.org" , OSPF WG List Subject: Re: [OSPF] More Comments on OSPF S-BFD Discriminator X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 03:33:48 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_61477233-D1AB-4DA3-B963-37FE11ECC53C Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B2909AE8-9B5F-4F7A-9616-29A553D735A7" --Apple-Mail=_B2909AE8-9B5F-4F7A-9616-29A553D735A7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thank you Manav! I remember now :-) Done :-) https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discriminator-03 = Thanks, =E2=80=94 Carlos. > On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:53 PM, Manav Bhatia = wrote: >=20 > Hi Carlos, >=20 > I think we need to add the following in the current version: >=20 > =E2=80=9CWhen multiple S-BFD discriminators are advertised how a given = discriminator is mapped to a specific use case is out of scope for this = document.=E2=80=9D >=20 > I dont have the xml with me that i can update. Can you do it if you = have one with you? >=20 > Cheers, Manav >=20 > On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 1:17 AM, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) = > wrote: > Hi, Acee, >=20 >> On Feb 4, 2016, at 2:24 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) > wrote: >>=20 >> Hi Carlos, >>=20 >> From: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" > >> Date: Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 2:16 PM >> To: Acee Lindem > >> Cc: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" >, Manav Bhatia >, = "draft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discriminator@ietf.org = " = >, OSPF WG List = > >> Subject: Re: [OSPF] More Comments on OSPF S-BFD Discriminator >>=20 >> Hi, Acee, >>=20 >> Following up on your note below regarding = draft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discriminator, could you request publication and = send this document to the IESG? >>=20 >> Has the document been updated with the proposed text? It hasn=E2=80=99t= been modified since Sept 24, 2015. >>=20 >=20 > Yes. The only text modification proposed and to be implemented was = done here: > = https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discriminator-0= 2.txt = >=20 > I do not believe there was anything else pending. Do you mean = something else? >=20 > Thanks! >=20 > Carlos. >=20 >> Thanks, >> Acee >>=20 >>=20 >> [BTW, its sibling document on ISIS is already in IESG ballot.] >>=20 >> Thanks! >>=20 >> =E2=80=94 Carlos. >>=20 >>> On Nov 11, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) > wrote: >>>=20 >>> I was more concerned about the consumer of the information than the = IGPs. I did look at base S-BFD draft and I agree this unspecified. = Let=E2=80=99s go forward than with the proposed text and I will request = publication. >>>=20 >>> Thanks, >>> Acee >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_B2909AE8-9B5F-4F7A-9616-29A553D735A7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Thank you Manav! I remember now :-)

Done :-)

https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discri= minator-03

Thanks,

=E2=80=94 Carlos.

On = Feb 4, 2016, at 9:53 PM, Manav Bhatia <manavbhatia@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Carlos,

I think we need to add the following in = the current version:

=E2=80=9CWh= en multiple S-BFD discriminators are advertised how a given = discriminator is mapped to a specific use case is out of scope for this = document.=E2=80=9D

I = dont have the xml with me that i can update. Can you do it if you have = one with you?

Cheers, Manav

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 1:17 AM, = Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) <cpignata@cisco.com> wrote:
Hi, Acee,

On Feb 4, 2016, at 2:24 PM, Acee Lindem = (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote:

Hi Carlos, 

From: "Carlos = Pignataro (cpignata)" <cpignata@cisco.com>
Date: Thursday, = February 4, 2016 at 2:16 PM
To: Acee Lindem = <acee@cisco.com>
Cc: "Les Ginsberg = (ginsberg)" <ginsberg@cisco.com>, Manav Bhatia <manavbhatia@gmail.com>, "draft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discriminator@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discriminator@ietf.org>, OSPF WG = List <ospf@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [OSPF] = More Comments on OSPF S-BFD Discriminator

Hi, Acee,

Following up on your note below regarding = draft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discriminator, could you request publication and = send this document to the IESG?

Has the document been updated with the proposed text? It = hasn=E2=80=99t been modified since Sept 24, 2015. 


Yes. The only = text modification proposed and to be implemented was done = here:
https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-disc= riminator-02.txt

I do not believe there was anything else pending. Do you mean = something else?

Thanks!

Carlos.

Thanks,
Acee


[BTW, its sibling document on ISIS is already in IESG = ballot.]

Thanks!

=E2=80=94 Carlos.

On Nov 11, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote:

I was more concerned about the consumer of the information than the = IGPs. I did look at base S-BFD draft and I agree this unspecified. = Let=E2=80=99s go forward than with the proposed text and I will request = publication. 

Thanks,
Acee 



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MLV:sfv; LANG:en; spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:23 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 05 Feb 2016 06:41:05.6671 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: bea78b3c-4cdb-4130-854a-1d193232e5f4 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BY1PR0501MB1381 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [OSPF] WG Adoption Call for "OSPF Stub Neighbors" X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 06:41:11 -0000 Hi, I have a few concerns on the necessity of this draft. 1. Necessity of protocol change The draft proposes to add the default route as part of router LSA but it is= not clear why this is required. The draft in sec 5.2 vaguely talks about without clarifying the real issue "We are introducing a new type of default route with a local behavior. The current use of default route as type 3 or as type 5 cannot solve some of the use cases and more specifically in the Data center topologies." If the spoke nodes are connecting only to the HUB (which is what hub and sp= oke topology is)then there is no way spoke would be learning OSPF routes=20 from other than the HUB. It doesn't look necessary to advertise default rou= tes in route LSAs 2. The draft doesn't talk about the other possible hub and spoke topologies= like hierarchical hub and spoke, Multiple interfaces connecting to one Hub, A group of spoke nodes con= necting to hub etc. There should be a section on topology Restrictions to identify what topologies this draft intends to suppor= t. 3. The draft proposes to advertise router-capability for this feature but = it is not clear how this information is used.=20 =20 4. The draft talks in-length about the normal LSA and modified LSA but it i= s not clear how to distinguish between the two. 5. The document uses first person language in many places which is not appr= opriate for an internet draft. 6. I am in agreement with Anton on the p2mp use case which is completely mi= ssed from the draft IMHO, the draft needs more work before being adopted by WG. Rgds Shraddha -----Original Message----- From: OSPF [mailto:ospf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 10:09 PM To: OSPF WG List Subject: [OSPF] WG Adoption Call for "OSPF Stub Neighbors" This draft was has gone through some refinements after being presented in H= awaii and in Yokohama there was some support of this protocol extension. Here is a URL for you convenience. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raza-ospf-stub-neighbor/ Please indicate your support (or concerns) for adopting this as a WG Docume= nt. The WG Adoption call will end in 2 weeks. 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More Comments on OSPF S-BFD Discriminator Thread-Index: AQHRX4CVRGRf7e6ISkyrMJZ6tz0da58cmAUAgAAGoYCAAHcEAIAACy0AgACeOQCAABUagA== Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 14:15:33 +0000 Message-ID: References: <8ef4f51407804a91950ab126277368a6@XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.150.54.100] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_759A4DB3-D446-493D-A427-F8635E6A45B3"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "draft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discriminator@ietf.org" , OSPF WG List Subject: Re: [OSPF] More Comments on OSPF S-BFD Discriminator X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 14:15:38 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_759A4DB3-D446-493D-A427-F8635E6A45B3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_0CFFA11C-8C52-4F48-981A-D17546FEDE8D" --Apple-Mail=_0CFFA11C-8C52-4F48-981A-D17546FEDE8D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thanks Acee. You were right. Text added now and rev++ posted. Thanks, =E2=80=94 Carlos. > On Feb 5, 2016, at 8:00 AM, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: >=20 > Carlos, Manav, > I remember now as well - this is the text I was referring to after = the discussion including Les. > Thanks, > Acee >=20 > From: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" > > Date: Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 10:33 PM > To: Manav Bhatia > > Cc: Acee Lindem >, "Les = Ginsberg (ginsberg)" >, = "draft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discriminator@ietf.org = " = >, OSPF WG List = > > Subject: Re: [OSPF] More Comments on OSPF S-BFD Discriminator >=20 > Thank you Manav! I remember now :-) >=20 > Done :-) >=20 > = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discriminator-03 = >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > =E2=80=94 Carlos. >=20 >> On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:53 PM, Manav Bhatia > wrote: >>=20 >> Hi Carlos, >>=20 >> I think we need to add the following in the current version: >>=20 >> =E2=80=9CWhen multiple S-BFD discriminators are advertised how a = given discriminator is mapped to a specific use case is out of scope for = this document.=E2=80=9D >>=20 >> I dont have the xml with me that i can update. Can you do it if you = have one with you? >>=20 >> Cheers, Manav >>=20 >> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 1:17 AM, Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) = > wrote: >> Hi, Acee, >>=20 >>> On Feb 4, 2016, at 2:24 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) > wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hi Carlos, >>>=20 >>> From: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" > >>> Date: Thursday, February 4, 2016 at 2:16 PM >>> To: Acee Lindem > >>> Cc: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" >, Manav Bhatia >, = "draft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discriminator@ietf.org = " = >, OSPF WG List = > >>> Subject: Re: [OSPF] More Comments on OSPF S-BFD Discriminator >>>=20 >>> Hi, Acee, >>>=20 >>> Following up on your note below regarding = draft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discriminator, could you request publication and = send this document to the IESG? >>>=20 >>> Has the document been updated with the proposed text? It hasn=E2=80=99= t been modified since Sept 24, 2015. >>>=20 >>=20 >> Yes. The only text modification proposed and to be implemented was = done here: >> = https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discriminator-0= 2.txt = >>=20 >> I do not believe there was anything else pending. Do you mean = something else? >>=20 >> Thanks! >>=20 >> Carlos. >>=20 >>> Thanks, >>> Acee >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> [BTW, its sibling document on ISIS is already in IESG ballot.] >>>=20 >>> Thanks! >>>=20 >>> =E2=80=94 Carlos. >>>=20 >>>> On Nov 11, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) > wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> I was more concerned about the consumer of the information than the = IGPs. I did look at base S-BFD draft and I agree this unspecified. = Let=E2=80=99s go forward than with the proposed text and I will request = publication. >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks, >>>> Acee >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_0CFFA11C-8C52-4F48-981A-D17546FEDE8D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Thanks Acee. You were right. Text added now and rev++ = posted.

Thanks,

=E2=80=94 Carlos.

On = Feb 5, 2016, at 8:00 AM, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> = wrote:

Carlos, Manav, 
 I remember now as well - this is the text I was = referring to after the discussion including Les. 
Thanks,
Acee 

From: "Carlos = Pignataro (cpignata)" <cpignata@cisco.com>
Date: Thursday, = February 4, 2016 at 10:33 PM
To: Manav Bhatia = <manavbhatia@gmail.com>
Cc: Acee Lindem = <acee@cisco.com>, = "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" <ginsberg@cisco.com>, "draft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discriminator@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discriminator@ietf.org>, OSPF WG = List <ospf@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [OSPF] = More Comments on OSPF S-BFD Discriminator

Thank you Manav! I remember now :-)

Done :-)

https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discri= minator-03

Thanks,

=E2=80=94 Carlos.

On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:53 PM, Manav Bhatia <manavbhatia@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Carlos,

I think we need to add the following in the current = version:

=E2=80=9CWhen multiple S-BFD discriminators are advertised how a given = discriminator is mapped to a specific use case is out of scope for this = document.=E2=80=9D

I dont have the xml with me that i can update. Can you = do it if you have one with you?

Cheers, Manav

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 1:17 AM, Carlos = Pignataro (cpignata) <cpignata@cisco.com> wrote:
Hi, Acee,

On Feb 4, 2016, at 2:24 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote:

Hi Carlos, 

From: "Carlos = Pignataro (cpignata)" <cpignata@cisco.com>
Date: Thursday, = February 4, 2016 at 2:16 PM
To: Acee Lindem = <acee@cisco.com>
Cc: "Les Ginsberg = (ginsberg)" <ginsberg@cisco.com>, Manav Bhatia <manavbhatia@gmail.com>, "draft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discriminator@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discriminator@ietf.org>, OSPF WG List <ospf@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [OSPF] = More Comments on OSPF S-BFD Discriminator

Hi, Acee,

Following up on your note below regarding = draft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discriminator, could you request publication and = send this document to the IESG?

Has the document been updated with the proposed text? It = hasn=E2=80=99t been modified since Sept 24, 2015. 
Yes. The only text modification proposed and to be = implemented was done here:
https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-disc= riminator-02.txt

I do not believe there was anything else pending. Do you = mean something else?

Thanks!

Carlos.

Thanks,
Acee


[BTW, its sibling document on ISIS is already in IESG = ballot.]

Thanks!

=E2=80=94 Carlos.

On Nov 11, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote:

I was more concerned about the consumer of the information than the = IGPs. I did look at base S-BFD draft and I agree this unspecified. = Let=E2=80=99s go forward than with the proposed text and I will request = publication. 

Thanks,
Acee 

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<0154264405f54697befe72915d18616f@XCH-ALN-001.cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.117.15.5] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D2DA354910D5FAaretanaciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: OSPF WG List , "rtg-bfd@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ospf-sbfd-discriminator@ietf.org" , "bfd-chairs@ietf.org" , "isis-wg@ietf.org list" Subject: Re: [OSPF] More Comments on OSPF S-BFD Discriminator X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 16:35:00 -0000 --_000_D2DA354910D5FAaretanaciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2/5/16, 11:00 AM, "OSPF on behalf of Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" on behalf of ginsberg@cisco.com<= mailto:ginsberg@cisco.com>> wrote: Les: Hi! There is no discussion ongoing nor any action item for the authors that I a= m aware of. I believe this state exists because we were waiting for discussion on the S= -BFD base draft to be resolved. If ADs require any additional updates they need to tell us - otherwise I th= ink this draft should move forward as is. As you well know, what is holding the ISIS draft is not work required from = you (the authors of that document) -- at least not to clear the DISCUSS. I am waiting for the BFD WG chairs to call consensus on the discussion rela= ted to the mapping, and on the authors of the base S-BFD document to provid= e an update reflecting that decision. It may have not been clear to everyo= ne what needed to happen as a result of the DISCUSS - I sent reminders to t= he chairs/authors a few minutes ago. Thanks for not letting us forget about making progress.. Alvaro. --_000_D2DA354910D5FAaretanaciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <8983755A9D102C41AD346B7F2FDD20C6@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 2/5/16, 11:00 AM, "OSPF on behalf of Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)&q= uot; <ospf-bounces@ietf.org= on behalf of ginsberg@cisco.com> wrote:

Les:

Hi!

There is no discussion ongoing nor any action item for the= authors that I am aware of.

I believe this state exists because we were waiting for di= scussion on the S-BFD base draft to be resolved.

 

If ADs require any additional updates they need to tell us= – otherwise I think this draft should move forward as is.=


As you well know, what is holding the ISIS draft is not work required = from you (the authors of that document) -- at least not to clear the DISCUS= S.

I am waiting for the BFD WG chairs to call consensus on the discussion= related to the mapping, and on the authors of the ba= se S-BFD document to provide an update reflecting that decision.  It m= ay have not been clear to everyone what needed to happen as a result of the= DISCUSS — I sent reminders to the chairs/authors a few minutes ago.

Thanks for not letting us forget about making progress..

Alvaro.
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Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2016 05:28:41 -0000 Y'all -- Some thoughts on the current OSPF stub neighbors draft. Some are grammar, later ones are content. == With the growing size of an OSPF-network, most large networks are now deploying OSPF in large hub and spoke topologies. Also in lot of cases L3 routing would be extended to Top of rack or even to a host running virtual machines. In any case these remote devices constitute a stub point in an OSPF network. These devices although being part of OSPF network will never be a transit point and thus do not need any topology information of the area nor do they require optimal routing calculations. This is too much text that's not needed. Something simpler would do, such as -- OSPF is often deployed on large scale hub and spoke or spine and leaf topologies. In both of these topologies, a large number of routers running OSPF will never transit traffic, and hence could be declared stub routers. == The spoke router in the case of a hub and spoke (or a host running OSPF) only need default route to the rest of the network, but they do need to send information about the connected network in the local site. In case of hosts they need to advertise routes in the virtual machines. This feels like too much text as well. Maybe -- OSPF stub routers only need to receive a default route to the rest of the network, and they need to send information about connected subnets or hosts (in the case of a virtual machine or hypervisor running OSPF). I actually don't know that I would agree with the idea that an OSPF stub only needs a default route -- in fact, you want a subset of routes rather than a defualt only, much like partials in BGP peering. The point is that the stub doesn't need any topology information, and it also doesn't need full reachability information. I'll have more comments on this in later sections. == OSPF as network protocol was designed for an environment where routers were of similar capabilities. To protect the larger network, area hierarchy was introduced. Network was typically broken up into a backbone area and several subordinate areas. This breakup of the topology into areas serves multiple purposes As OSPF has become pervasive protocol in the enterprise network it needs to evolve for large hub and spoke setups, these are typical retail environments. In a retail setup typical remote branch router does not have enough capacity to become part of a larger area, even if we break the network in large number of smaller areas. A remote router in one retail store does not need to have routes to all the router in other retail store that are part of its area setup. Too much explanation... There's no real tie between flooding domains (areas), "protecting the larger network," and the concept being presented here -- it just feels like random information. Something like this might help tie things together better -- OSPF networks are broken up into flooding domains, called areas, to manage the amount of control plane state carried to any individual router. Within a flooding domain, each router has a synchronized database containing full reachability and topology information within the area. At the area border, topology information is automatically removed from the information advertised by an OSPF router, and reachability information can be removed through route aggregation. This draft proposes removing all topology information transmitted to OSPF stub routers, and allowing the network administrator fine grained control over reachability information advertised to an OSPF stub router. == Also increasing the number of areas on ABR can burden the ABR, this is due to the creation of large number of summary LSA. Although this can be handled by creating the areas as stub with no summary. Even by creating smaller sized areas with stub no summary, it does not completely eliminate the problem of having unnecessary information from the prospective of intra area. I think what this is trying to say is -- "if you set up each remote as its own area, you incur a penalty in OSPF ABR processing." I would either introduce the alternate solution more fully, or just remove this. IMHO, it's not needed, so I would choose the simpler path and just remove it. == With the advent of virtualized hosts, hosts are now advertising an increasing number of new virtual machine routes. These prefixes need to be advertised by a router that is connected to the host. Traditionally the host would be connected to the router via a shared link between the two (host and router). The host is often sourcing subnets that are not connected to the common subnet between the host and routers. However, the hosts (or spokes) themselves just need a default route from the router(or hub) to reach rest of the network. The solutions using current features of the protocol are not scalable. The overhead of protocol info and flooding of large number of unnecessary information to low-end routers caps the number of spokes on a hub. The problem is made more urgent because of VMs and hypervisors -- ack. Again, though, either explain the problem completely, or leave it out. Again, IMHO, this isn't needed, so I would leave it out. It's simpler in the long run. == We presuppose familiarity with the contents of [RFC2328]. I don't think this is needed, myself... == Incremental deployment The introduction to this section feels like it could be simplified a good bit. Maybe something like -- The changes proposed in this draft impact the hub router in a hub and spoke or spine and leaf topology. The hub router is not required to be an area border router (ABR). From the perspective of the hub router's neighbors, the hub router will appear to be a normal OSPF router running an unmodified version of OSPF. Or something like that... ?? BTW, I'm not certain you're going to actually get away with not changing the remotes, but more on that in a moment. :-) == Vendors have implemented LSA filtering function on per neighbors basis specially for the purpose of scaling large full mesh environments. This section seems a little muddled to me... :-( First, there are two types of filtering here; one that blocks flooding across a particular link similar to a DR/DIS, the other which blocks the advertisment of specific reachability information in a type 3 (the inverse of route leaking in IS-IS). I think you're talking about the first one here, but I don't really understand how it applies to the problem at hand. If it's really a hub and spoke sort of topology, then each remote is only going to receive one copy of each LSA. If it's spine and leaf, then you can block flooding, but it's a bit harder than it seems, I think. You either need to have the one hub that is flooding towards the remotes list all the hubs that are connected to the remote, or you need to play some other game. For the remotes towards the hubs, there are a number of solutions here -- look at the old MANET work for something that's already been implemented in this space. == 4.1, 4.2, and 4.3 don't seem to be necessary to me... ?? == 5.1 Stub Neighbor Overview I'm a little confused by the special default route type. Specifically -- Why not just send a type 3 with only a default route, or only the subset of routes you want the stub to know about? Maybe this has been discussed before, but building a new TLV type seems like a lot of work for a limited range of functionality that could be provided in a way the protocol already knows about. How are you going to prevent the stub from reflooding the LSA it receives from the hub to any other device? Given the draft specifically says "the stub router doesn't need to be changed," there doesn't seem to be any way to solve this. You can assume the stub will only be connected to other modified hub routers, but this seems like a pretty dangerous assumption. What I think I'd do instead is introduce a new type 3 with a TTL. Then you could put whatever you want in it, and be assured the information won't be reflooded. Require the use of a tag for stub routers that don't support the new TTL field, rather than relying on correct network topology configuration. The point of control to prevent reflooding needs to be at the stub router, rather than the hub router. == I have more comments for the later sections, but I'd like to clear these up before moving into the rest of the draft. 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Message-ID: <56C35B58.8080301@orange.com> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 18:24:40 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: OSPF WG List Subject: [OSPF] Comment on draft-ppsenak-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse-01 X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 17:24:43 -0000 Hi Pete, I believe the new text in the section 5 of the aforementioned I-D is a nice improvement for the specification (thank you Chris). However, the current version still says "TE will use the information in the TE Opaque LSA and the non-TE applications will use the information in the OSPFv2 Extended Link Opaque LSA". Then remote LFA joins the party, and I wonder if it is a "TE application" or not. As "there is no IETF specification documenting" what would strictly fall under "TE application" or "non-TE application", and even no real need to define a strict boundary, I consider that sentence as over-specification and suggest to jusst drop it. That would let applications themselves look for that information where relevant/specified, whether they philosophically feel like being TE or not. What is more, I really think that the current wording is too loose in "it is expected that the information in these LSA [sic] would be identical". I do not see the drawback of having full alignment of values in case of duplication, but I see the operational risk of nightmare in case they are not. As a result, I suggest to rephrase into: "If the same link attribute is advertised in both LSAs, the information in these LSAs MUST be identical." Cheers, Julien From nobody Wed Feb 17 02:25:24 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F98D1B3881 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 02:25:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.507 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.507 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.006, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KXNoi0POfolb for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 02:25:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-4.cisco.com (aer-iport-4.cisco.com [173.38.203.54]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 207661B388A for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 02:25:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2255; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1455704721; x=1456914321; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=UuDsaoyz/+P1UoU40P6QKx8H532lPCL4D7EAoeX2/IA=; b=HiHdfqe0/6RracWT+rH7ESRz7IEWsnksdfFBWL9lGKofOYua7+v1+60o 3Y2F0TiYNS7ZDnhCumHJJYqOOog6NSVuTZKDpP75LvQiKQTG5zYc7WyTb VfoJhpQWAxDXOAOy1B1x0Kpvlgcr8Zyue7hin6nHjsiSKQUV6bb4gGrIG Q=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0CoBACfScRW/xbLJq1ewSeGDQKCCwEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAYELhEEBAQEDASMVQAEFCwsYAgIFFgsCAgkDAgECAUUGDQEHAQGIDgisBY8?= =?us-ascii?q?WAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBGHuFF4Q7hASDMYE6AQSScoQRjVmJIYVSjkdig?= =?us-ascii?q?2Q7iQ8BAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.22,459,1449532800"; d="scan'208";a="635549580" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-2.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 17 Feb 2016 10:25:18 +0000 Received: from [10.60.140.55] (ams-ppsenak-nitro6.cisco.com [10.60.140.55]) by aer-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u1HAPI8V016805; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 10:25:18 GMT Message-ID: <56C44A8E.7010300@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 11:25:18 +0100 From: Peter Psenak User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julien Meuric References: <56C35B58.8080301@orange.com> In-Reply-To: <56C35B58.8080301@orange.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: OSPF WG List Subject: Re: [OSPF] Comment on draft-ppsenak-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse-01 X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 10:25:23 -0000 Hi Julien, On 2/16/16 18:24 , Julien Meuric wrote: > Hi Pete, > > I believe the new text in the section 5 of the aforementioned I-D is a > nice improvement for the specification (thank you Chris). > > However, the current version still says "TE will use the information in > the TE Opaque LSA and the non-TE applications will use the information > in the OSPFv2 Extended Link Opaque LSA". Then remote LFA joins the > party, and I wonder if it is a "TE application" or not. clearly it is not. > As "there is no > IETF specification documenting" what would strictly fall under "TE > application" or "non-TE application", and even no real need to define a > strict boundary, I consider that sentence as over-specification and > suggest to jusst drop it. LFA has nothing to do with TE, it's obvious. And yes, we need a strict boundary between what is TE related and what is not. If we don't define it, then every implementation can choose what LSA to use, which would lead to the interoperability problems. The purpose of this draft is to define a single mechanism to advertise link attributes for non-TE applications. > That would let applications themselves look > for that information where relevant/specified, whether they > philosophically feel like being TE or not. TE application MUST only look at the TE Opaque LSA - that is specified already. Non-TE application SHOULD look at Extended Link LSA - that is what we want to specify in this draft. > > What is more, I really think that the current wording is too loose in > "it is expected that the information in these LSA [sic] would be > identical". I do not see the drawback of having full alignment of values > in case of duplication, but I see the operational risk of nightmare in > case they are not. As a result, I suggest to rephrase into: "If the same > link attribute is advertised in both LSAs, the information in these LSAs > MUST be identical." given the OSPF protocol operation above can not be guaranteed. LSAs arrive asynchronously and there can be intervals during which the consistency of the information between two different LSAs can not be guaranteed. thanks, Peter > > Cheers, > > Julien > > . > From nobody Thu Feb 18 03:28:27 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B14521B3E26; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 03:28:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3WA2GCBwR6Cg; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 03:28:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from na01-bl2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bl2on0128.outbound.protection.outlook.com [65.55.169.128]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A2F91B3E25; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Derek Thank you for your response, and apologies for the delay in getting back to= you. Have you considered distinct ospfv3-interface-operation and ospfv2-i= nterface-operation? Or even distinct "container ospfv2" and "container osp= fv3"? There are a number of differences between the Interface Data Structure defi= ned in RFC2328 and in RFC5340. In particular, the following. Do you plan = to add all of these differences to the interface-operation grouping? - DR and BDR identification. o As you wrote, section 9 of RFC2328 specifies that the Interface Data St= ructure includes the Router ID and IP address for the DR and BDR. o Section 4.1.2 of RFC5340 does not specify how to identify the DR and BD= R, but given the OSPFv3 protocol, it seems reasonable that the router ID an= d interface ID would be stored. - Section 4.1.2 of RFC5340 specifies a number of objects that do n= ot appear in the RFC2328 version of the Interface Data Structure, as follow= s. o Interface ID. o Instance ID. o List of LSAs with link-local scope. o List of IPv6 prefixes configured for the attached link. Regards Alan From: Derek Man-Kit Yeung (myeung) [mailto:myeung@cisco.com] Sent: 04 February 2016 19:39 To: Alan Davey ; draft-ietf-ospf-yang@ietf.org Cc: ospf@ietf.org Subject: Re: draft-ietf-ospf-yang-03 questions and doubts Hi Alan, Thanks for the comments. As you have pointed out, there are OSPFv3 specific fields missing in the mo= del now. For example, instance ID and interface ID. We will add them in the= next update. As for the DR, DR is conceptually one of the neighbor. In OSPFv2, the DR's router ID and IP address are used in protocol operation= . While in OSPFv3, the DR's router ID and interface ID are used in protocol o= peration. According to OSPFv2 and OSPFv3 RFC, the interface structure should keep bot= h the DR's router ID and IP address. We have the following in the current model. grouping interface-operation { leaf dr { type inet:ipv4-address; description "Designated Router (DR) IP address."; } } grouping neighbor-operation { leaf dr { type yang:dotted-quad; description "Designated Router."; } } To better match the RFC and accommodate both OSPFv2 and OSPFv3 in a cleaner= way, we plan to make the following changes. grouping interface-operation { leaf dr-router-id { type yang:dotted-quad; description "Designated Router (DR) router ID."; } leaf dr-ip-address { type inet:ip-address; description "Designated Router (DR) IP address."; } } grouping neighbor-operation { leaf dr-router-id { type yang:dotted-quad; description "Neighbor's Designated Router (DR) router ID."; } leaf dr-ip-address { type inet:ip-address; description "Neighbor's Designated Router (DR) IP address."; } } If one need the DR's interface ID in the OSPFv3 case, it could be found by = locating the neighbor entry for the DR and get the interface ID (To be adde= d) field there. Comments welcome. Thanks, - Derek From: Alan Davey > Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 8:23 AM To: "draft-ietf-ospf-yang@ietf.org" <= draft-ietf-ospf-yang@ietf.org> Cc: "ospf@ietf.org" > Subject: draft-ietf-ospf-yang-03 questions and doubts Folks I have a doubt about draft-ietf-ospf-yang-03. Please let me know your thou= ghts on the following. The text is OSPFv2-specific in places. I think that it would be better to = define separate top-level groupings and containers for OSPFv2 and OSPFv3 an= d define common groupings and containers, where possible, that are used by = both. For example, grouping interface-operation contains the following, which is = incorrect for OSPFv3. - leaf dr with type ipv4-address - leaf bdr with type ipv4-address. I think that it would be better to define something along the following lin= es. - ospfv3-interface-operation { o uses interface-config o uses ospf-common-interface-operation o leaf dr { ? type if:interface-ref ? description: * "The remote interface ID used by the Designated Router = on * this link. This is the interface index of the interfac= e local to the DR."; o etc - ospfv2-interface-operation { o uses interface-config o uses ospf-common-interface-operation o leaf dr { ? type inet:ipv4-address; ? description "Designated Router (DR) IP address."; o etc. Regards Alan Davey --_000_CY1PR0201MB1066110895F4C141E7779015F9AF0CY1PR0201MB1066_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Derek

 

Thank you for your res= ponse, and apologies for the delay in getting back to you.  Have you c= onsidered distinct ospfv3-interface-operation and ospfv2-interface-operatio= n?  Or even distinct “container ospfv2” and “container ospfv3”?

 

There are a number of = differences between the Interface Data Structure defined in RFC2328 and in = RFC5340.  In particular, the following.  Do you plan to add all o= f these differences to the interface-operation grouping?

 

-&n= bsp;         DR and BDR ide= ntification.

o   As you wrote, = section 9 of RFC2328 specifies that the Interface Data Structure includes t= he Router ID and IP address for the DR and BDR.

o   Section 4.1.2 = of RFC5340 does not specify how to identify the DR and BDR, but given the O= SPFv3 protocol, it seems reasonable that the router ID and interface ID wou= ld be stored.

-&n= bsp;         Section 4.1.2 = of RFC5340 specifies a number of objects that do not appear in the RFC2328 = version of the Interface Data Structure, as follows.

o   Interface ID.<= o:p>

o   Instance ID.

o   List of LSAs w= ith link-local scope.

o   List of IPv6 p= refixes configured for the attached link.

 

Regards

Alan=

 

From: Derek Man-Kit Yeung (myeung) [mailto:myeung@cisco.com]
Sent: 04 February 2016 19:39
To: Alan Davey <Alan.Davey@metaswitch.com>; draft-ietf-ospf-ya= ng@ietf.org
Cc: ospf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: draft-ietf-ospf-yang-03 questions and doubts=

 

Hi Alan= ,

&n= bsp;

Thanks = for the comments.

As you = have pointed out, there are OSPFv3 specific fields missing in the model now= . For example, instance ID and interface ID. We will add them in the next u= pdate.

&n= bsp;

As for = the DR, DR is conceptually one of the neighbor. 

In OSPF= v2, the DR's router ID and IP address are used in protocol operation.<= /o:p>

While i= n OSPFv3, the DR's router ID and interface ID are used in protocol operatio= n.

Accordi= ng to OSPFv2 and OSPFv3 RFC, the interface structure should keep both the D= R's router ID and IP address.

&n= bsp;

We have= the following in the current model.

&n= bsp;

  = grouping interface-operation {

  =   leaf dr {

  =     type inet:ipv4-address;

  =     description "Designated Router (DR) IP address.";

  =   }

  = }

  = grouping neighbor-operation {

  =   leaf dr {

  =     type yang:dotted-quad;

  =     description

  =       "Designated Router.";

  =   }

  = }

&n= bsp;

To bett= er match the RFC and accommodate both OSPFv2 and OSPFv3 in a cleaner way, w= e plan to make the following changes.

&n= bsp;

  = grouping interface-operation {

  =   leaf dr-router-id {

  =     type yang:dotted-quad;

  =     description

  =       "Designated Router (DR) router ID.";

  =   }

  =   leaf dr-ip-address {

  =     type inet:ip-address;

  =     description "Designated Router (DR) IP address.";

  =   }

  = }

  = grouping neighbor-operation {

  =   leaf dr-router-id {

  =     type yang:dotted-quad;

  =     description

  =       "Neighbor's Designated Router (DR) router ID.&quo= t;;

  =   }

  =   leaf dr-ip-address {

  =     type inet:ip-address;

  =     description "Neighbor's Designated Router (DR) IP addres= s.";

  =   }

  = }

&n= bsp;

If one = need the DR's interface ID in the OSPFv3 case, it could be found by locatin= g the neighbor entry for the DR and get the interface ID (To be added) fiel= d there.

&n= bsp;

Comment= s welcome.

&n= bsp;

Thanks,=

- Derek=

&n= bsp;

From: Alan Davey <Alan.Davey@metaswitch.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 8:23 AM
To: "draft-iet= f-ospf-yang@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-ospf-yang@ietf.org>
Cc: "ospf@ietf.org" &= lt;ospf@ietf.org>
Subject: draft-ietf-ospf-yang-03 questions and doubts

&n= bsp;

Folks<= /p>

 =

I have a doubt about dra= ft-ietf-ospf-yang-03.  Please let me know your thoughts on the followi= ng.

 =

The text is OSPFv2-speci= fic in places.  I think that it would be better to define separate top= -level groupings and containers for OSPFv2 and OSPFv3 and define common gro= upings and containers, where possible, that are used by both.

 =

For example, grouping in= terface-operation contains the following, which is incorrect for OSPFv3.

 =

-&nbs= p;         leaf dr with typ= e ipv4-address

-&nbs= p;         leaf bdr with ty= pe ipv4-address.

 

I think that it would be= better to define something along the following lines.

 =

-&nbs= p;         ospfv3-interface= -operation {

o   uses interface-c= onfig

o   uses ospf-common= -interface-operation

o   leaf dr {

§  type if:interfac= e-ref

§  description:

·           &nbs= p;       "The remote interface ID u= sed by the Designated Router on

·           &nbs= p;       this link.  This is the in= terface index of the interface local to the DR.";

o   etc

-&nbs= p;         ospfv2-interface= -operation {

o   uses interface-c= onfig

o   uses ospf-common= -interface-operation

o   leaf dr {

§    &nbs= p;      type inet:ipv4-address;

§    &nbs= p;      description "Designated Router (= DR) IP address.";

o   etc.<= /span>

 =

Regards

Alan Davey

 =

--_000_CY1PR0201MB1066110895F4C141E7779015F9AF0CY1PR0201MB1066_-- From nobody Thu Feb 18 07:48:02 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E45BF1B2AC0 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 07:48:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.89 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.89 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.006, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LP2lIlZtACqb for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 07:47:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from p-mail2.rd.orange.com (p-mail2.rd.orange.com [161.106.1.3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D0C71AD190 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 07:47:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from p-mail2.rd.orange.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id AA2C5E30080; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:47:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from FTRDCH01.rd.francetelecom.fr (unknown [10.194.32.11]) by p-mail2.rd.orange.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5373EE3007F; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:47:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.193.71.204] (10.193.71.204) by FTRDCH01.rd.francetelecom.fr (10.194.32.11) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.3.266.1; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:47:58 +0100 To: Peter Psenak References: <56C35B58.8080301@orange.com> <56C44A8E.7010300@cisco.com> From: Julien Meuric Organization: Orange Message-ID: <56C5E7AD.4060508@orange.com> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:47:57 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56C44A8E.7010300@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: OSPF WG List Subject: Re: [OSPF] Comment on draft-ppsenak-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse-01 X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 15:48:01 -0000 Hi Peter, Feb. 17, 2016 - ppsenak@cisco.com: > Hi Julien, > > On 2/16/16 18:24 , Julien Meuric wrote: >> Hi Pete, >> >> I believe the new text in the section 5 of the aforementioned I-D is a >> nice improvement for the specification (thank you Chris). >> >> However, the current version still says "TE will use the information in >> the TE Opaque LSA and the non-TE applications will use the information >> in the OSPFv2 Extended Link Opaque LSA". Then remote LFA joins the >> party, and I wonder if it is a "TE application" or not. > > clearly it is not. [JM] OK > >> As "there is no >> IETF specification documenting" what would strictly fall under "TE >> application" or "non-TE application", and even no real need to define a >> strict boundary, I consider that sentence as over-specification and >> suggest to jusst drop it. > > LFA has nothing to do with TE, it's obvious. [JM] I tend to agree on that, though not fully on the "obvious". > > And yes, we need a strict boundary between what is TE related and what > is not. If we don't define it, then every implementation can choose what > LSA to use, which would lead to the interoperability problems. The > purpose of this draft is to define a single mechanism to advertise link > attributes for non-TE applications. [JM] Yes, each application specification should state where among OSPF LSAs it gets these link parameters from. But it does not require to split application space between TE and non-TE: - applications per se should not be concerned about that split, this is protocol-related and should be addressed at the end of the specification chain (i.e., "this parameters is to be used for...", not "this use case falls into category X"); - this is OSPF-specific: when considering IS-IS, this is not an issue; - the LFA example already contradicts the rule you suggest, tempering the backward compatibility text could avoid this situation. > >> That would let applications themselves look >> for that information where relevant/specified, whether they >> philosophically feel like being TE or not. > > TE application MUST only look at the TE Opaque LSA - that is specified > already. [JM] I would be cautious on "only". E.g., RFC 7770 can be applicable, though not TE. > > Non-TE application SHOULD look at Extended Link LSA - that is what we > want to specify in this draft. [JM] I am still confused with this "TE/non-TE application" rough summary, but I think we could find an agreement by saying that opaque LSAs (including TE) are to be used by so-called "TE application", and that extended link LSA should be preferred by the others. > >> >> What is more, I really think that the current wording is too loose in >> "it is expected that the information in these LSA [sic] would be >> identical". I do not see the drawback of having full alignment of values >> in case of duplication, but I see the operational risk of nightmare in >> case they are not. As a result, I suggest to rephrase into: "If the same >> link attribute is advertised in both LSAs, the information in these LSAs >> MUST be identical." > > given the OSPF protocol operation above can not be guaranteed. LSAs > arrive asynchronously and there can be intervals during which the > consistency of the information between two different LSAs can not be > guaranteed. [JM] We fully agree on that. To make sure this is not creating an ambiguity, you may rephrase as: "If the same link attribute is advertised in both LSAs, the information packed in these LSAs by advertising routers MUST be identical." Thanks, Julien > > thanks, > Peter > >> >> Cheers, >> >> Julien >> >> . >> > From nobody Thu Feb 18 14:36:30 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0B391A1B45 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 14:36:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.507 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.507 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.006, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cyVKIA0yy2xL for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 14:36:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-1.cisco.com (aer-iport-1.cisco.com [173.38.203.51]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D6621A1AAD for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 14:36:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=5349; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1455834987; x=1457044587; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=X6LL1Tr/aXOp/YeI1b7wKvk/NYggboCqsu3oRYT63Bk=; b=FMZoiMrCNFilJOSxXKd8TJDnHfzEfb+OkO/b0FdDsKbLEAC3kgZebtYD RO9B+YCtXJ1Hdam//wvFo6qK+3PIek8fPW9GfinTt8jswbnwh61dkJqgz kPWeGQLvCQUF1g+7cmGv66+rf21uHk/fdsxxhEMy3DjBTgUw+Cvw7jNwT 4=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0DOAQAuRsZW/xbLJq1ehHm6JgENgWeGD?= =?us-ascii?q?QKCIxQBAQEBAQEBZCeEQQEBAQMBIxVAAQULCxgCAgUWCwICCQMCAQIBRQYNAQU?= =?us-ascii?q?CAQGIDgitE48eAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBGHuFF4Q7hASDMYE6AQSXBY1ag?= =?us-ascii?q?VyEQ4MChVKORx4BAUKDZDsuiR8BAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.22,467,1449532800"; d="scan'208";a="649421857" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-2.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 18 Feb 2016 22:36:24 +0000 Received: from [10.60.140.55] (ams-ppsenak-nitro6.cisco.com [10.60.140.55]) by aer-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u1IMaOw6010901; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 22:36:24 GMT Message-ID: <56C64768.1010808@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 23:36:24 +0100 From: Peter Psenak User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julien Meuric References: <56C35B58.8080301@orange.com> <56C44A8E.7010300@cisco.com> <56C5E7AD.4060508@orange.com> In-Reply-To: <56C5E7AD.4060508@orange.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: OSPF WG List Subject: Re: [OSPF] Comment on draft-ppsenak-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse-01 X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 22:36:29 -0000 Hi Julien, please see inline :(##PP) On 2/18/16 16:47 , Julien Meuric wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Feb. 17, 2016 - ppsenak@cisco.com: >> Hi Julien, >> >> On 2/16/16 18:24 , Julien Meuric wrote: >>> Hi Pete, >>> >>> I believe the new text in the section 5 of the aforementioned I-D is a >>> nice improvement for the specification (thank you Chris). >>> >>> However, the current version still says "TE will use the information in >>> the TE Opaque LSA and the non-TE applications will use the information >>> in the OSPFv2 Extended Link Opaque LSA". Then remote LFA joins the >>> party, and I wonder if it is a "TE application" or not. >> >> clearly it is not. > > [JM] OK > >> >>> As "there is no >>> IETF specification documenting" what would strictly fall under "TE >>> application" or "non-TE application", and even no real need to define a >>> strict boundary, I consider that sentence as over-specification and >>> suggest to jusst drop it. >> >> LFA has nothing to do with TE, it's obvious. > > [JM] I tend to agree on that, though not fully on the "obvious". > >> >> And yes, we need a strict boundary between what is TE related and what >> is not. If we don't define it, then every implementation can choose what >> LSA to use, which would lead to the interoperability problems. The >> purpose of this draft is to define a single mechanism to advertise link >> attributes for non-TE applications. > > [JM] Yes, each application specification should state where among OSPF ##PP let me disagree. Applications do not decide which LSAs to use. It's the protocol extension that is made for an application and application needs to follow it. And for TE application it has been done by RFC3630. > LSAs it gets these link parameters from. But it does not require to > split application space between TE and non-TE: > - applications per se should not be concerned about that split, this is > protocol-related and should be addressed at the end of the specification > chain (i.e., "this parameters is to be used for...", not "this use case > falls into category X"); > - this is OSPF-specific: when considering IS-IS, this is not an issue; ##PP well, let's not get into that discussion here. > - the LFA example already contradicts the rule you suggest, tempering > the backward compatibility text could avoid this situation. ##PP the text we added in the Backward Compatibility is not meant to standardized the non standard behavior by any means. > >> >>> That would let applications themselves look >>> for that information where relevant/specified, whether they >>> philosophically feel like being TE or not. >> >> TE application MUST only look at the TE Opaque LSA - that is specified >> already. > > [JM] I would be cautious on "only". E.g., RFC 7770 can be applicable, > though not TE. ##PP I do not see what RFC 7770 has to do with link attributes. RFC7770 is about advertising optional router capabilities, which is completely orthogonal to this draft. > >> >> Non-TE application SHOULD look at Extended Link LSA - that is what we >> want to specify in this draft. > > [JM] I am still confused with this "TE/non-TE application" rough > summary, but I think we could find an agreement by saying that opaque > LSAs (including TE) are to be used by so-called "TE application", and > that extended link LSA should be preferred by the others. ##PP Extended Link LSA is an Opaque LSA as well. You need to specify which Opaque LSA is to be used by TE and which for the rest of apps. > >> >>> >>> What is more, I really think that the current wording is too loose in >>> "it is expected that the information in these LSA [sic] would be >>> identical". I do not see the drawback of having full alignment of values >>> in case of duplication, but I see the operational risk of nightmare in >>> case they are not. As a result, I suggest to rephrase into: "If the same >>> link attribute is advertised in both LSAs, the information in these LSAs >>> MUST be identical." >> >> given the OSPF protocol operation above can not be guaranteed. LSAs >> arrive asynchronously and there can be intervals during which the >> consistency of the information between two different LSAs can not be >> guaranteed. > > [JM] We fully agree on that. To make sure this is not creating an > ambiguity, you may rephrase as: > "If the same link attribute is advertised in both LSAs, the information > packed in these LSAs by advertising routers MUST be identical." ##PP I'm still not sure we want to enforce that even on the router that generates these. Different apps may use different values of certain link attribute. Take an SRLG as an example. You may have SRLG values on the link used only by GMPLS/optical plane. These values have meaning only in the context of the GMPLS/optical. You do not want LFA to use these values, because their meaning is different and irrelevant for LFA, you may define a different set of values used by LFA. In general, by mandating the same values in both LSAs we are creating an unnecessary limitation that I'm not convinced about. thanks, Peter > > Thanks, > > Julien > >> >> thanks, >> Peter >> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Julien >>> >>> . >>> >> > . > From nobody Fri Feb 19 16:44:51 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ospf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 218931B36BD for ; Fri, 19 Feb 2016 16:44:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.507 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.507 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.006, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5gACC0iSybuy for ; Fri, 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[OSPF] Comment on draft-ppsenak-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse-01 Thread-Index: AQHRaN7xjIo+aS0wwkCugeJWKKQ8MZ8x9c97gAIPQwA= Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2016 00:44:40 +0000 Message-ID: References: <56C35B58.8080301@orange.com> <56C44A8E.7010300@cisco.com> <56C5E7AD.4060508@orange.com> In-Reply-To: <56C5E7AD.4060508@orange.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.24.53.250] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: <8D29F87AA114764D9151B40B8BE795A7@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: OSPF WG List Subject: Re: [OSPF] Comment on draft-ppsenak-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse-01 X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: 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FTRDCH01.rd.francetelecom.fr (unknown [10.194.32.11]) by r-mail2.rd.orange.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED93A5D8A50; Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:08:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.193.71.204] (10.193.71.204) by FTRDCH01.rd.francetelecom.fr (10.194.32.11) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.3.266.1; Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:08:41 +0100 To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" References: <56C35B58.8080301@orange.com> <56C44A8E.7010300@cisco.com> <56C5E7AD.4060508@orange.com> From: Julien Meuric Organization: Orange Message-ID: <56CC2199.6080701@orange.com> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 10:08:41 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: OSPF WG List Subject: Re: [OSPF] Comment on draft-ppsenak-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse-01 X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 09:08:45 -0000 Hi Acee, Feb. 20, 2016 - acee@cisco.com: > Hi Julien, [snip] >>>> What is more, I really think that the current wording is too loose in >>>> "it is expected that the information in these LSA [sic] would be >>>> identical". I do not see the drawback of having full alignment of >>>> values >>>> in case of duplication, but I see the operational risk of nightmare in >>>> case they are not. As a result, I suggest to rephrase into: "If the >>>> same >>>> link attribute is advertised in both LSAs, the information in these >>>> LSAs >>>> MUST be identical." >>> >>> given the OSPF protocol operation above can not be guaranteed. LSAs >>> arrive asynchronously and there can be intervals during which the >>> consistency of the information between two different LSAs can not be >>> guaranteed. >> >> [JM] We fully agree on that. To make sure this is not creating an >> ambiguity, you may rephrase as: >> "If the same link attribute is advertised in both LSAs, the information >> packed in these LSAs by advertising routers MUST be identical." > > Are we sure on this? Today we can have an OSPF metric that is independent > of the OSPF TE Metric - why wouldn’t we want the same flexibility with > SRLG? [JM] From my perspective, I concur. Metrics are purely administrative parameters: it makes sense to allow operators to use different routing decision between SPF and TE. Conversely, SRLGs are supposed to abstract the underlying infrastructure to enable diverse routing: this gives a clear semantic on the SRLG link parameter. I do not see any value in using two different infrastructure descriptions, while I see some risk of operational mess in case one forget to update one of the parameter sets. I also believe that if double SRLG capability had been an operator's requirement, we would have started from there and confronted that to both IGPs. This is a different motivation here. 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boundary="56d0e63d_66ff8e5a_111" Archived-At: Cc: OSPF WG List Subject: Re: [OSPF] Comment on draft-ppsenak-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse-01 X-BeenThere: ospf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: The Official IETF OSPG WG Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 23:56:55 -0000 --56d0e63d_66ff8e5a_111 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi Acee, Peter, Julien, On 23 =46ebruary, 2016 at 12:06:10 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) (acee=40cisco.c= om) wrote: =23=23PP=C2=A0 I'm still not sure we want to enforce that even on the router that=C2=A0 generates these. Different apps may use different values of certain link=C2= =A0 attribute. Take an SRLG as an example. You may have SRLG values on the=C2= =A0 link used only by GMPLS/optical plane. These values have meaning only in=C2= =A0 the context of the GMPLS/optical. You do not want L=46A to use these=C2=A0= values, because their meaning is different and irrelevant for L=46A, you=C2= =A0 may define a different set of values used by L=46A.=C2=A0 I tend to agree with Julien here, this sounds problematic from a manageme= nt perspective. If I something that is a physical property of the link (w= hich a SRLG is); and I run =E2=80=9CTE=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cnon-TE=E2=80= =9D applications on my network - i.e., a L=46A and RSVP-TE tunnels, then = I now need to maintain both the lists being identical, such that the exte= nded link attribute SRLG classification matches the TE attribute=E2=80=99= s values. This sounds complex (what happens when they get out of sync); w= ith no huge up-side to duplicating them. Even if we do want to have one a= pplication work differently to another w.r.t SRLGs, then why would we not= do this with the policy that is used when making a path placement decisi= on, rather than by splitting them into different attributes=3F IMHO, a nice solution here is that we have each set of information mainta= ined in one place in the protocol; if this has historically been in the T= E attribute, then I do not necessarily see a good reason to try and move = it. Going forward, we should discuss for new extensions whether these att= ributes are solely useful for traffic engineering; or whether they are mo= re general purpose, Metric gives us a good example here - the TE metric i= s *only* relevant to traffic engineering path placement, whereas the metr= ic is relevant to L=46A, standard IP applications, and can be relevant to= TE.=C2=A0 I would also rather see this than duplicating the same content of attribu= tes across two different LSAs. This creates ambiguity as to which one was= actually used by the consuming application on the network element for a = particular protocol. Best, r. --56d0e63d_66ff8e5a_111 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline