From iesg-secretary@ietf.org Fri Oct 5 11:04:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1537121F87D7; Fri, 5 Oct 2012 11:04:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.493 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.493 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.106, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PjZiYDFYVt75; Fri, 5 Oct 2012 11:04:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBBBF21F87DC; Fri, 5 Oct 2012 11:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.34 Message-ID: <20121005180431.31493.85787.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 11:04:31 -0700 Cc: pce mailing list , pce chair , RFC Editor Subject: [Pce] Document Action: 'The Application of the Path Computation Element Architecture to the Determination of a Sequence of Domains in MPLS and GMPLS' to Informational RFC (draft-ietf-pce-hierarchy-fwk-05.txt) X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 18:04:33 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'The Application of the Path Computation Element Architecture to the Determination of a Sequence of Domains in MPLS and GMPLS' (draft-ietf-pce-hierarchy-fwk-05.txt) as Informational RFC This document is the product of the Path Computation Element Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Stewart Bryant and Adrian Farrel. A URL of this Internet Draft is: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-hierarchy-fwk/ Technical Summary Computing optimum routes for Label Switched Paths (LSPs) across multiple domains in MPLS Traffic Engineering (MPLS-TE) and GMPLS networks presents a problem because no single point of path computation is aware of all of the links and resources in each domain. A solution may be achieved using the Path Computation Element (PCE) architecture. Where the sequence of domains is known a priori, various techniques can be employed to derive an optimum path. If the domains are simply-connected, or if the preferred points of interconnection are also known, the Per-Domain Path Computation technique can be used. Where there are multiple connections between domains and there is no preference for the choice of points of interconnection, the Backward Recursive Path Computation Procedure (BRPC) can be used to derive an optimal path. This document examines techniques to establish the optimum path when the sequence of domains is not known in advance. The document shows how the PCE architecture can be extended to allow the optimum sequence of domains to be selected, and the optimum end-to-end path to be derived through the use of a hierarchical relationship between domains. Working Group Summary There was nothing unusual to note in the progression of this document through the working group. Document Quality This is a well written document. Personnel Julien Meuric is the Document Shepherd. Stewart Bryant is the Responsible Area Director. RFC Editor Note Section 3 Para 2, s/TED/TED (Traffic Engineering Database)/ ==== Section 3 OLD Note that in the case that the domains are IGP areas, there is no link between the domains (the ABRs have a presence in both neighboring areas). The parent domain may choose to represent this in its TED as a virtual link that is unconstrained and has zero cost, but this is entirely an implementation issue. NEW Note that in the case that the domains are IGP areas, there is no link between the domains (the ABRs have a presence in both neighboring areas). The parent domain may choose to represent this in its traffic Engineering Database (TED) as a virtual link that is unconstrained and has zero cost, but this is entirely an implementation issue. END --- Section 4.1 OLD Deriving the optimal end-to-end domain path sequence is dependent on the policy applied during domain path computation. An Objective Function (OF) [RFC5541], or set of OFs, may be applied to define the policy being applied to the domain path computation. The OF specifies the desired outcome of the computation. It does not describe the algorithm to use. When computing end-to-end inter- domain paths, required OFs may include (see Section 1.3.1): o Minimum cost path o Minimum load path o Maximum residual bandwidth path o Minimize aggregate bandwidth consumption o Minimize or cap the number of transit domains o Disallow domain re-entry The objective function may be requested by the PCC, the ingress domain PCE (according to local policy), or applied by the parent PCE according to inter-domain policy. More than one OF (or a composite OF) may be chosen to apply to a single computation provided they are not contradictory. Composite OFs may include weightings and preferences for the fulfilment of pieces of the desired outcome. NEW The definition of "optimal" in the context of deriving an optimal end-to-end path is dependent on the choices that are made during the path selection. An Objective Function (OF) [RFC5541], or set of OFs, specify the intentions of the path computation and so define the "optimality" in the context of that computation. An OF specifies the desired outcome of a computation: it does not describe or demand the algorithm to use, and an implementation may apply any algorithm or set of algorithms to achieve the result indicated by the OF. OFs can be included in PCEP computation requests to satisfy the policies encoded or configured at the PCC, and a PCE may be subject to policy in determining whether it meets the OFs included in the computation request, or applies its own OFs. In inter-domain path computation, the selection of a domain sequence, the computation of each (per-domain) path fragment, and the determination of the end-to-end path may each be subject to different OFs and different policy. When computing end-to-end paths, OFs may include (see Section 1.3.1): o Minimum cost path o Minimum load path o Maximum residual bandwidth path o Minimize aggregate bandwidth consumption o Minimize or cap the number of transit domains o Disallow domain re-entry The objective function may be requested by the PCC, the ingress domain PCE (according to local policy), or applied by the parent PCE according to inter-domain policy. More than one OF (or a composite OF) may be chosen to apply to a single computation provided they are not contradictory. Composite OFs may include weightings and preferences for the fulfilment of pieces of the desired outcome. END From jvasseur@cisco.com Sat Oct 6 02:36:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA8F721F8678 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 02:36:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g2ywiN4h2GEJ for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 02:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com [173.37.86.75]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4745521F865D for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 02:36:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=158; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1349516215; x=1350725815; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:content-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=oaQ4Pd4ff4/X8h9F2XRN2yZAgMtSJqzWj3xmebo56OY=; b=SntVxrRNZUClpHLlwr3uczzSzXBU+6icPp6dZgP6Y95xQ95ixirEfT4Y KCiBevWYD4uwIyQwzLXd2rEahZxsmq2Q0TtiEcMcxec3anfrRlkpS12OM OqHpEaXLgPihBVbEEDphXxhc4tPCO9cjciuQO+Zk0VREPDYkXccMbgZMM c=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ag0KABP7b1CtJV2Z/2dsb2JhbABFvg8EA4ELgQiCIgEEEgEnUQEqFEInBBsah2OYG4Eon3KQbWADpDCBaYJtghc X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.80,543,1344211200"; d="scan'208";a="128941243" Received: from rcdn-core-2.cisco.com ([173.37.93.153]) by rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 06 Oct 2012 09:36:54 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x04.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x04.cisco.com [173.36.12.78]) by rcdn-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q969aswB023163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 09:36:54 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x02.cisco.com ([169.254.4.82]) by xhc-aln-x04.cisco.com ([173.36.12.78]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.001; Sat, 6 Oct 2012 04:36:53 -0500 From: "JP Vasseur (jvasseur)" To: "pce@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: PCE WG Agenda IETF85 Thread-Index: AQHNo6YeUUZI6IijBkiMqMAoNcmjZw== Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 09:36:52 +0000 Message-ID: <03B78081B371D44390ED6E7BADBB4A7721F9CAF5@xmb-rcd-x02.cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.21.79.165] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.1135-7.000.1014-19246.000 x-tm-as-result: No--30.463200-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <3CEEA0897F628C4793E101BAEEF9D015@cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [Pce] PCE WG Agenda IETF85 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 09:36:56 -0000 Dear all, The PCE WG will meet in Atlanta. 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JP.= From lberger@labn.net Tue Oct 9 12:48:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6395711E808D for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2012 12:48:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.049 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.049 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.112, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DcabhJzgmr-u for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2012 12:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com (oproxy9.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C1A3721F86A7 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2012 12:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18987 invoked by uid 0); 9 Oct 2012 19:48:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2012 19:48:31 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=+Bkn1ZSncNmJ+U5/7c8uWG4wvpKrXStPWxnSmMXa0kg=; b=A2wXJsz7h3KnnFvOZ0QOiFqKD9sT+n96q8rBOlHCp1N7A2++W4JPluXvd+HLYsZERJcS3iLd+oWIqN/nepHPGDv8F91s/QqwZm94kBjNn2DQRhoWX4ZckFxYkLXy1HPU; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:46945 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TLfn4-00071G-OC; Tue, 09 Oct 2012 13:48:30 -0600 Message-ID: <50747F8B.7040106@labn.net> Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 15:48:27 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pce@ietf.org References: <50733BED.8090304@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <50733BED.8090304@labn.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.4 X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <50733BED.8090304@labn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: pce-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: [Pce] Fwd: [CCAMP] WG Last Call: g709-framework, g709-info-model, ospf-g709v3, signaling-g709v3 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 19:48:32 -0000 PCE WG, The enclosed LC has started in the CCAMP WG. Please note that the 1st document explicitly discusses PCE and the others are of likely interest to the WG. Comments should be sent to CCAMP (and cross posted to PCE if really needed.) Lou -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [CCAMP] WG Last Call: g709-framework, g709-info-model, ospf-g709v3, signaling-g709v3 Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 16:47:41 -0400 From: Lou Berger To: CCAMP This mail begins a two week working group last call on: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-09 (Informational) http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-04 (Informational) http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3-03 (Standards Track) http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-04 (Standards Track) This working group last call ends on October 22. Comments should be sent to the CCAMP mailing list. Please remember to include the technical basis for any comments. 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Thank you, Lou (and Deborah) _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From dhruv.dhody@huawei.com Thu Oct 11 11:19:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19FC21F8672 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 11:19:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.85 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.85 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MSGID_MULTIPLE_AT=1.449, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9VGMxMXsGYlV for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 11:19:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4976A21F8665 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 11:19:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id AKN17440; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 18:19:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML402-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.241) by lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.7.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 19:17:27 +0100 Received: from SZXEML411-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.138) by lhreml402-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.241) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 19:17:47 +0100 Received: from htipl12857 (10.195.41.228) by szxeml411-hub.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.138) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.323.3; Fri, 12 Oct 2012 02:17:43 +0800 From: Dhruv Dhody To: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 23:47:38 +0530 Organization: htipl Message-ID: <005f01cda7dc$b31676d0$19436470$@dhody@huawei.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0060_01CDA80A.CCCEB2D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac2n1KqOlR+PPNlLT+SyTWcUXNrQEwABsoLg Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [10.195.41.228] X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Subject: [Pce] FW: New Version Notification for draft-dhody-pce-pcep-p2mp-per-destination-03.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: dhruv.dhody@huawei.com List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 18:19:09 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01CDA80A.CCCEB2D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear All, =20 We have uploaded a new revision to this ID.=20 =20 - removed the use of word "explicit-path" as it was contradicting its = meaning with respect to RSVP - explicitly specifying abstract nodes for inclusion or exclusion for a = subset of P2MP destinations - Clarify its use in Inter-domain core-tree based path computation =20 As usual comments are most welcome.... =20 Regards, Dhruv =20 -----Original Message----- From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org]=20 Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 10:50 PM To: dhruv.ietf@gmail.com Cc: dhruv.dhody@huawei.com; venugopalreddyk@huawei.com; = udayasree.palle@huawei.com Subject: New Version Notification for = draft-dhody-pce-pcep-p2mp-per-destination-03.txt =20 =20 A new version of I-D, draft-dhody-pce-pcep-p2mp-per-destination-03.txt has been successfully submitted by Dhruv Dhody and posted to the IETF repository. =20 Filename: draft-dhody-pce-pcep-p2mp-per-destination Revision: 03 Title: Supporting explicit inclusion or exclusion of abstract = nodes for a subset of P2MP destinations in Path Computation Element = Communication Protocol (PCEP). Creation date: 2012-10-11 WG ID: Individual Submission Number of pages: 12 URL: = http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-dhody-pce-pcep-p2mp-per-destina= tion-03.txt Status: = http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dhody-pce-pcep-p2mp-per-destination= Htmlized: = http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dhody-pce-pcep-p2mp-per-destination-03 Diff: = http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-dhody-pce-pcep-p2mp-per-destinat= ion-03 =20 Abstract: The ability to determine paths of point-to-multipoint (P2MP) Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) and Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Traffic Engineering Label Switched Paths (TE LSPs) is one the key requirements for Path Computation Element (PCE). [RFC6006] and [PCE-P2MP-PROCEDURES] describes these mechanisms for intra and inter domain path computation via PCE. =20 This document describes the need for explicitly specifying abstract nodes for inclusion or exclusion for a subset of destinations during the Point to Multipoint (P2MP) path computation via PCE. Further an extension to the PCE communication Protocol (PCEP) for P2MP is suggested to support this. =20 = =20 =20 =20 The IETF Secretariat =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01CDA80A.CCCEB2D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear = All,

 

We have uploaded a new revision to this ID. =

 

- removed the use of word "explicit-path" = as it was contradicting its meaning with respect to = RSVP

- explicitly specifying = abstract nodes for inclusion or exclusion for a subset of P2MP = destinations

- Clarify its use in = Inter-domain core-tree based path computation

 

As = usual comments are most welcome....

 

Regards,

Dhruv

 

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Subject: New Version Notification for = draft-dhody-pce-pcep-p2mp-per-destination-03.txt

 

 

A new = version of I-D, = draft-dhody-pce-pcep-p2mp-per-destination-03.txt

has been successfully submitted by Dhruv Dhody and = posted to the

IETF = repository.

 

Filename:=C2=A0=C2=A0 = draft-dhody-pce-pcep-p2mp-per-destination

Revision:=C2=A0=C2=A0 03

Title:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Supporting explicit inclusion or exclusion of = abstract nodes for a subset of P2MP destinations in Path Computation = Element Communication Protocol (PCEP).

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Abstract:

=C2=A0=C2=A0 The ability to determine paths of = point-to-multipoint (P2MP)

=C2=A0=C2=A0 Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) = and Generalized MPLS (GMPLS)

=C2=A0=C2=A0 Traffic Engineering Label Switched = Paths (TE LSPs) is one the key

=C2=A0=C2=A0 requirements for Path Computation = Element (PCE).=C2=A0 [RFC6006] and

=C2=A0=C2=A0 [PCE-P2MP-PROCEDURES] describes these = mechanisms for intra and inter

=C2=A0=C2=A0 domain path computation via = PCE.

 

=C2=A0=C2=A0 This document describes the need for = explicitly specifying abstract

=C2=A0=C2=A0 nodes for inclusion or exclusion for a = subset of destinations during

=C2=A0=C2=A0 the Point to Multipoint (P2MP) path = computation via PCE.=C2=A0 Further an

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------=_NextPart_000_0060_01CDA80A.CCCEB2D0-- From jvasseur@cisco.com Sun Oct 14 23:13:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F013121F85AC for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 23:13:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.355 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.355 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.244, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Uc9dt52Lh9NF for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 23:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com [173.37.86.80]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC5621F8526 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 23:13:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1212; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1350281599; x=1351491199; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=Tj9Su62n9DFwNK3GDYidwhWqlP5Ob48j5IFT9kF4gkQ=; b=IPLH+eco6LBhy2FBUH0q7+pUcY9bRcDO1Nq8o7ses6+8lLrOdSjTKQWY N4IQFaycsk9uW3/p8uUelrfGuIwlD/C3+Oss6vHdthOT6Qo56tjdeecQV IVOJpxkiA4BSqMz6UcasVCl665T9j5djCx+D0xXATjWkvrOWWz5DwJ5UL Y=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.80,587,1344211200"; d="scan'208";a="128542289" Received: from rcdn-core-4.cisco.com ([173.37.93.155]) by rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com with ESMTP; 15 Oct 2012 06:13:19 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x09.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x09.cisco.com [173.37.183.83]) by rcdn-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q9F6DIfb023540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 15 Oct 2012 06:13:18 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x02.cisco.com ([169.254.4.118]) by xhc-rcd-x09.cisco.com ([173.37.183.83]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.001; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 01:13:18 -0500 From: "JP Vasseur (jvasseur)" To: Peng JIANG Thread-Topic: About draft-kumaki-murai-pce-pcep-extension-l3vpn Thread-Index: AQHNqpwrLLJVcRZD/0mGX2pPgTECZw== Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 06:13:17 +0000 Message-ID: <03B78081B371D44390ED6E7BADBB4A7721FE06A3@xmb-rcd-x02.cisco.com> References: <201210151120.AHI81244.QFtBOHJK@kddi.com> In-Reply-To: <201210151120.AHI81244.QFtBOHJK@kddi.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.60.114.231] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.1135-7.000.1014-19274.004 x-tm-as-result: No--35.433100-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <9F78660D58CA234086195677FB3EFE0A@cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "" , "" Subject: Re: [Pce] About draft-kumaki-murai-pce-pcep-extension-l3vpn X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 06:13:20 -0000 Dear Jiang-san, On Oct 15, 2012, at 4:20 AM, Peng JIANG wrote: > Dear JP, >=20 > I am one of the co-authors of draft-kumaki-murai-pce-pcep- > extension-l3vpn. This draft defines the PCEP extensions for the=20 > dynamic creation of MPLS TE LSPs between BGP/MPLS IP-VPN sites. >=20 > We have been waiting for the signaling protocol(draft-kumaki- > murai-l3vpn-rsvp-te) to be standarized. Now, the IESG Last Call=20 > has finished and we are now waiting for the Go-Ahead sign of the > sponsor AD. >=20 > Since the signaling protocol standardization is almost finished=20 > now, we are considering progressing the PCEP extension draft to=20 > a WG item. >=20 > It has been a while since we last present the WG. Do you think=20 > it is proper that we remind the WG on the list about the=20 > contents of the PCEP extension together with the progress of the > signaling protocol and then ask for WG last call? I think we=20 > have agreed to progress the PCEP extension once the signaling=20 > protocol standardization is finished. >=20 JP> Yes I believe that it is now time to get back to the PCE WG for a last = presentation. Thanks! JP. > Best Regards, > Peng JIANG > KDDI From pe-jiang@kddi.com Sun Oct 14 19:20:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E45A021F853F for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 19:20:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qhFONLkXx0hh for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 19:20:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from UTMC1103.kddi.com (athena.kddi.com [210.141.112.39]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6933B21F853E for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 19:20:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from UTMC1131 (unknown [10.5.16.192]) by UTMC1103.kddi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A818E2999; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 11:20:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from UTMC1123.kddi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.kddi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17D2F25F2; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 11:20:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from UTMC1113.kddi.com (unknown [10.5.16.13]) by UTMC1123.kddi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4C5325EF; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 11:20:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from KDDI-0806PC0671 ([10.200.129.117] [10.200.129.117]) by post-ims.kddi.com with ESMTPA; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 11:20:50 +0900 To: jpv@cisco.com From: Peng JIANG Message-Id: <201210151120.AHI81244.QFtBOHJK@kddi.com> X-Mailer: Winbiff [Version 2.51 PL3] X-Accept-Language: ja,en,zh Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 11:20:50 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-WAuditID: 1210151120510030109143 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 01:13:05 -0700 Cc: pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] About draft-kumaki-murai-pce-pcep-extension-l3vpn X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 02:20:56 -0000 Dear JP, I am one of the co-authors of draft-kumaki-murai-pce-pcep- extension-l3vpn. This draft defines the PCEP extensions for the dynamic creation of MPLS TE LSPs between BGP/MPLS IP-VPN sites. We have been waiting for the signaling protocol(draft-kumaki- murai-l3vpn-rsvp-te) to be standarized. Now, the IESG Last Call has finished and we are now waiting for the Go-Ahead sign of the sponsor AD. Since the signaling protocol standardization is almost finished now, we are considering progressing the PCEP extension draft to a WG item. It has been a while since we last present the WG. Do you think it is proper that we remind the WG on the list about the contents of the PCEP extension together with the progress of the signaling protocol and then ask for WG last call? I think we have agreed to progress the PCEP extension once the signaling protocol standardization is finished. Best Regards, Peng JIANG KDDI From pe-jiang@kddi.com Mon Oct 15 00:38:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6127B21F8469 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 00:38:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xzx7lacq+S7J for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 00:38:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from UTMC1102.kddi.com (athena.kddi.com [210.141.112.39]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFD1921F845C for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 00:38:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from UTMC1134 (unknown [10.5.16.201]) by UTMC1102.kddi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 109C62DD9; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 16:38:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from UTMC1122.kddi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.kddi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4F195745; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 16:38:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from UTMC1117.kddi.com (unknown [10.5.16.29]) by UTMC1122.kddi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A28365743; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 16:38:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from KDDI-0806PC0671 ([10.200.129.117] [10.200.129.117]) by post-ims.kddi.com with ESMTPA; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 16:38:26 +0900 To: jvasseur@cisco.com, pe-jiang@kddi.com From: Peng JIANG References: <201210151120.AHI81244.QFtBOHJK@kddi.com> <03B78081B371D44390ED6E7BADBB4A7721FE06A3@xmb-rcd-x02.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <03B78081B371D44390ED6E7BADBB4A7721FE06A3@xmb-rcd-x02.cisco.com> Message-Id: <201210151638.AGF34889.JOKQtBHF@kddi.com> X-Mailer: Winbiff [Version 2.51 PL3] X-Accept-Language: ja,en,zh Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 16:38:25 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-WAuditID: 1210151638260000414721 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 01:13:06 -0700 Cc: ta-miyasaka@kddi.com, pce@ietf.org, jpv@cisco.com Subject: Re: [Pce] About draft-kumaki-murai-pce-pcep-extension-l3vpn X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 07:38:32 -0000 Dear JP, Cc: KDDI Miyasaka-san Thank you very much for your quick reply. > JP> Yes I believe that it is now time to get back to the PCE WG for a last presentation. Thank you very much for your suggestion. We would like to request a presentation slot for 5 or 10 minutes. Could you please assign one to us? My colleague Miyasaka-san will attend IETF85 and he is willing to make this presentation. Best Regards, Peng JIANG KDDI > Dear Jiang-san, > > On Oct 15, 2012, at 4:20 AM, Peng JIANG wrote: > > > Dear JP, > > > > I am one of the co-authors of draft-kumaki-murai-pce-pcep- > > extension-l3vpn. This draft defines the PCEP extensions for the > > dynamic creation of MPLS TE LSPs between BGP/MPLS IP-VPN sites. > > > > We have been waiting for the signaling protocol(draft-kumaki- > > murai-l3vpn-rsvp-te) to be standarized. Now, the IESG Last Call > > has finished and we are now waiting for the Go-Ahead sign of the > > sponsor AD. > > > > Since the signaling protocol standardization is almost finished > > now, we are considering progressing the PCEP extension draft to > > a WG item. > > > > It has been a while since we last present the WG. Do you think > > it is proper that we remind the WG on the list about the > > contents of the PCEP extension together with the progress of the > > signaling protocol and then ask for WG last call? I think we > > have agreed to progress the PCEP extension once the signaling > > protocol standardization is finished. > > > > JP> Yes I believe that it is now time to get back to the PCE WG for a last presentation. > > Thanks! > > JP. > > > Best Regards, > > Peng JIANG > > KDDI > > _______________________________________________ > Pce mailing list > Pce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce > From internet-drafts@ietf.org Mon Oct 15 15:07:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56DA621F8B07; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 15:07:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.562 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.562 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.037, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UxiYrXmQEGAa; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 15:07:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1899721F8ABB; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 15:07:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.34 Message-ID: <20121015220750.1293.41373.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 15:07:50 -0700 Cc: pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-02.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 22:07:51 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element Working Group of= the IETF. Title : PCEP Extensions for Stateful PCE Author(s) : Edward Crabbe Jan Medved Ina Minei Robert Varga Filename : draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-02.txt Pages : 49 Date : 2012-10-15 Abstract: The Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) provides mechanisms for Path Computation Elements (PCEs) to perform path computations in response to Path Computation Clients (PCCs) requests. Although PCEP explicitly makes no assumptions regarding the information available to the PCE, it also makes no provisions for synchronization or PCE control of timing and sequence of path computations within and across PCEP sessions. This document describes a set of extensions to PCEP to enable stateful control of MPLS-TE and GMPLS tunnels via PCEP. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-02 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From zhang.xian@huawei.com Thu Oct 18 02:23:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2914321F8419 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 02:23:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.321 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.321 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.925, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_32=0.6, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org 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([10.82.67.91]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 17:23:25 +0800 From: "Zhangxian (Xian)" To: "pce@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-02.txt Thread-Index: AQHNqyGQmVtQ8M+huk+M7zW57+1t+Je9Dj8A Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 09:23:24 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.66.105.102] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Subject: [Pce] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-02.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 09:23:35 -0000 SGksIFBDRSdlciwNCg0KICAgIEkganVzdCBub3RpY2VkIHRoYXQgdGhpcyBXRyBkb2N1bWVudCBo YXMgYmVlbiB1cGRhdGVkIHdpdGhvdXQgYW55IFdHIGRlY2lzaW9ucy9kaXNjdXNzaW9ucy4gQXMg 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 17:44:05 -0000 --14dae9340f65e1d06804cc58eea0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xian, This is not accurate I'm afraid. We have presented the original (pre-split) draft at almost every meeting for the past several years, and have had WG consensus on it's acceptance as a WG document on both list and in meetings. as well as We have discussed the split at the last three consecutive IETF meetings, and explicitly asked the chairs in Vancouver. This document is simply the core framework split from the /already accepted/ working group document, and the chairs had agreed to accept the core document as a draft given that the parent doc had already been accepted and (assuming near content parity). So yeah, there's been quite a bit of discussion on this over a number of years. :P I'm not sure that issuing an applicability draft first is mandatory SOP; there are a number of drafts that simply have an applicability section within the draft (as ours does): presenting applicability, requirements and framework sequentially. With regard to our (now public) conversation, you've misinterpreted. Last IETF we discussed moving the applicability section into the a single document with you (without conclusion I might note), which has nothing to do with this draft. We tentatively agreed to move ahead with merging the already extant applicability section of our draft into yours as well as assuming co-authorship. We also agreed that the *framework* must provide the capability to create general extensions for MPLS & GMPLS etc (thus /passing mention/ of GMPLS AND the reference to *YOUR* document. cheersm -ed On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 2:23 AM, Zhangxian (Xian) wr= ote: > Hi, PCE'er, > > I just noticed that this WG document has been updated without any WG > decisions/discussions. As I recall, there is no sufficient discussion > during last IETF meeting, nor any public email discussion, with regard to > how to proceed with this WG document. As a young engineer involved in IET= F > work, a standard way for updating a WG document, from what I observe, > should it be that any modifications are based on the WG discussion? > > During last IETF meeting, I presented a proposal with regard to > "stateful PCE" work. To state again, we would like to see this work follo= ws > a standard PCE WG procedure. By saying a standard procedure, I mean that > "stateful PCE" should be driven by applicability/framework/requirements, > then protocol extensions. Just to give a few examples which is currently > listed as PCE WG drafts as well as RFCs: pcep extension for gmpls, > inter-layer, hierarchical PCE and P2MP etc. All of them moved forward wit= h > applicability/framework/requirements first. There must be a valid reason > for this rationale, right? I do not see why we should treat this draft as > an exception. > > Unfortunately, we were not given sufficient time for a WG discussion > on our proposal. However, as suggested by Ed., a bunch of us (Ramon, Osca= r, > Fatai, Young and me) had an offline discussion with him, and the group > roughly agreed to move forward to the direction that we proposed above. > > However, I don=E2=80=99t see this draft is moving to that direction f= rom the > updated WG draft, even though one of our suggestions (i.e., GMPLS should = be > covered) is partially captured in the updated WG draft. > > Therefore, I would like to request more discussion in the PCE list on > how to move forward stateful PCE topic. > > > Regards, > > Xian > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pce-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: 2012=E5=B9=B410=E6=9C=8816=E6=97=A5 6:08 > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: pce@ietf.org > Subject: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-02.txt > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element Working Group > of the IETF. > > Title : PCEP Extensions for Stateful PCE > Author(s) : Edward Crabbe > Jan Medved > Ina Minei > Robert Varga > Filename : draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-02.txt > Pages : 49 > Date : 2012-10-15 > > Abstract: > The Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) provides > mechanisms for Path Computation Elements (PCEs) to perform path > computations in response to Path Computation Clients (PCCs) requests. > > Although PCEP explicitly makes no assumptions regarding the > information available to the PCE, it also makes no provisions for > synchronization or PCE control of timing and sequence of path > computations within and across PCEP sessions. This document > describes a set of extensions to PCEP to enable stateful control of > MPLS-TE and GMPLS tunnels via PCEP. > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-02 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-02 > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > Pce mailing list > Pce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce > _______________________________________________ > Pce mailing list > Pce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce > --14dae9340f65e1d06804cc58eea0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Xian,

This is not accurate I'm afraid. = =C2=A0We have presented the original (pre-split) draft at almost every meet= ing for the past several years, and have had WG consensus on it's accep= tance as a WG document on both list and in meetings. as well as =C2=A0We ha= ve discussed the split at the last three=C2=A0consecutive=C2=A0IETF meeting= s, and explicitly asked the chairs in Vancouver. =C2=A0This document is sim= ply the core framework split from the /already accepted/ working group docu= ment, and the chairs had agreed to accept the core document as a draft give= n that the parent doc had already been accepted and (assuming near content = parity).

So yeah, there's been quite a bit of discussion on = this over a number of years. :P

I'm not sure t= hat issuing an applicability draft first is mandatory SOP; =C2=A0there are = a number of drafts that simply have an applicability section within the dra= ft (as ours does): presenting applicability,=C2=A0requirements and=C2=A0fra= mework sequentially. =C2=A0

With regard to our (now public) conversation, you'v= e misinterpreted. =C2=A0=C2=A0Last IETF we discussed moving the applicabili= ty section into the a single document with you (without conclusion I might = note), which has nothing to do with this draft.=C2=A0=C2=A0We tentatively a= greed to move ahead with merging the already extant applicability section o= f our draft into yours as well as assuming co-authorship. =C2=A0We also agr= eed that the *framework* must provide the capability to create general exte= nsions for MPLS & GMPLS etc (thus /passing mention/ of GMPLS AND the re= ference to *YOUR* document.

cheersm

=C2=A0 -ed
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On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 2:23 AM, Zhangxian (Xian) <zhang.xia= n@huawei.com> wrote:
Hi, PCE'er,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I just noticed that this WG document has been updated without= any WG decisions/discussions. As I recall, there is no sufficient discussi= on during last IETF meeting, nor any public email discussion, with regard t= o how to proceed with this WG document. As a young engineer involved in IET= F work, a standard way for updating a WG document, from what I observe, sho= uld it be that any modifications are based on the WG discussion?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 During last IETF meeting, I presented a proposal with regard = to "stateful PCE" work. To state again, we would like to see this= work follows a standard PCE WG procedure. By saying a standard procedure, = I mean that "stateful PCE" should be driven by applicability/fram= ework/requirements, then protocol extensions. Just to give a few examples w= hich is currently listed as PCE WG drafts as well as RFCs: pcep extension f= or gmpls, inter-layer, hierarchical PCE and P2MP etc. All of them moved for= ward with applicability/framework/requirements first. There must be a valid= reason for this rationale, right? I do not see why we should treat this dr= aft as an exception.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Unfortunately, we were not given sufficient time for a WG dis= cussion on our proposal. However, as suggested by Ed., a bunch of us (Ramon= , Oscar, Fatai, Young and me) had an offline discussion with him, and the g= roup roughly agreed to move forward to the direction that we proposed above= .

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 However, I don=E2=80=99t see this draft is moving to that dir= ection from the updated WG draft, even though one of our suggestions (i.e.,= GMPLS should be covered) is partially captured in the updated WG draft.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Therefore, I would like to request more discussion in the PCE= list on how to move forward stateful PCE topic.


Regards,

Xian


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
=C2=A0This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element Working Gro= up of the IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : PCEP= Extensions for Stateful PCE
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Author(s) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : Edward Crabbe<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jan Medved
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Ina Minei
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Robert Varga
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: draft-iet= f-pce-stateful-pce-02.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : 49 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 2012-10-15

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) pro= vides
=C2=A0 =C2=A0mechanisms for Path Computation Elements (PCEs) to perform pat= h
=C2=A0 =C2=A0computations in response to Path Computation Clients (PCCs) re= quests.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Although PCEP explicitly makes no assumptions regarding the =C2=A0 =C2=A0information available to the PCE, it also makes no provisions = for
=C2=A0 =C2=A0synchronization or PCE control of timing and sequence of path<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0computations within and across PCEP sessions. =C2=A0This docum= ent
=C2=A0 =C2=A0describes a set of extensions to PCEP to enable stateful contr= ol of
=C2=A0 =C2=A0MPLS-TE and GMPLS tunnels via PCEP.



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--14dae9340f65e1d06804cc58eea0-- From internet-drafts@ietf.org Thu Oct 18 14:19:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F2221F8534; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:19:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id psh4qfD1l6ZM; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E416521F843B; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:19:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.34 Message-ID: <20121018211907.12154.46088.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:19:07 -0700 Cc: pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-wson-routing-wavelength-08.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 21:19:11 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element Working Group of= the IETF. Title : PCEP Requirements for WSON Routing and Wavelength Assign= ment Author(s) : Young Lee Greg Bernstein Jonas Martensson Tomonori Takeda Takehiro Tsuritani Oscar Gonzalez de Dios Filename : draft-ietf-pce-wson-routing-wavelength-08.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2012-10-18 Abstract: This memo provides application-specific requirements for the Path Computation Element communication Protocol (PCEP) for the support of Wavelength Switched Optical Networks (WSON). Lightpath provisioning in WSONs requires a routing and wavelength assignment (RWA) process. From a path computation perspective, wavelength assignment is the process of determining which wavelength can be used on each hop of a path and forms an additional routing constraint to optical light path computation. Requirements for Optical impairments will be addressed in a separate document. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-wson-routing-wavelength There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-wson-routing-wavelength-08 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-pce-wson-routing-wavelength-08 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From ramon.casellas@cttc.es Sat Oct 20 00:00:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9339921F8744 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 00:00:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7stzrA+YWqYR for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 00:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from villa.puc.rediris.es (unknown [IPv6:2001:720:418:ca00::7]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB52B21F873A for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 00:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [84.88.62.208] (helo=leo) by villa.puc.rediris.es with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TPT2K-0002RX-Co for pce@ietf.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 08:59:56 +0200 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (62.83.140.15.dyn.user.ono.com [62.83.140.15]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by leo (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BF2C01FC1B for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 08:59:53 +0200 (CEST) X-Envelope-From: ramon.casellas@cttc.es Message-ID: <50824BE9.408@cttc.es> Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 08:59:53 +0200 From: Ramon Casellas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "pce@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SPF-Received: 4 X-Spamina-Bogosity: Unsure Subject: [Pce] stateful PCE - moving forward & next steps X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 07:00:02 -0000 Dear PCErs, We've taken this issue off-list and discussed. A summary of our agreed upon next steps follows for WG review: 1/ - We have agreed to merge the applicability portion of the existing WG draft (draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce) with Xian’s presented draft on this very same aspect. This new joint/merged draft, temporarily referred to as draft-zhang-pce-stateful-pce-app-03, will tentatively be ready for IETF86. It will be informational in nature, highlighting the benefits and use cases of a stateful PCE. While this split is by no means mandatory, it does address some comments raised during WG adoption. Selected text and wording from to current framework draft draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-02 will be moved to the applicability, notably in sections 2 and 3. 2/ - draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-02 is relatively mature, and a significant amount of time has been invested on it. It has been recently updated to acknowledge/reflect that PCEP (and consequently any PCEP functional extensions) needs to be extended to fully cover GMPLS networks in a way similar to how RFC5440 is extended by draft-ietf-pce-gmpls. This draft already covers most refined details such as protocol procedures & messages, LSP identifiers, LSP descriptive names, etc., while leaving technology specific aspects aside. 2.a – it is worth noting that, although draft-zhang-pce-stateful-app will surely need to follow regular draft procedures, the chairs explicitly agreed to accept the post-split framework as a working group document given the acceptance of the original stateful doc. 3/ Since one of the additional comments during the WG adoption poll (e.g., by yours truly and others) was that, in its previous form, draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce did not cover GMPLS extensions and could limit its applicability in transport networks, specific “solutions” documents addressing extensions will be developed. They will be based on the framework and will refer to it. -A consequence of this is that draft "Current Path Computation Element (PCE) Protocol Extension for Stateful PCE Usage in GMPLS Networks", aka draft-zhang-pce-pcep-stateful-pce-gmpls-01.txt will be rewritten to follow the new apps & fwk and will define encodings e.g. at the "message level" (such as extended RBNF for a PCRpt message considering GMPLS-specific extensions). -Likewise, for RSVP-TE covering non-GMPLS cases & networks, a new draft has just been submitted and will be presented (draft-crabbe-pce-stateful-pce-mpls-te-00) -Within reasonable standard procedures, the GMPLS solutions draft can just point at the relevant sections within draft-crabbe-pce-stateful-pce-mpls-te-00 and complete where appropriate / necessary. 4/ Other stateful-PCE based applications will be identified in the future. Our suggested procedure will consist on extending the basic framework document by means of other drafts that complement it and build upon the core framework. Thank you, Ramon, on behalf of the stateful-PCErs -- Ramon Casellas, Ph.D. Research Associate - Optical Networking Area -- http://wikiona.cttc.es CTTC - Centre Tecnològic de Telecomunicacions de Catalunya, PMT Ed B4 Av. Carl Friedrich Gauss, 7 - 08860 Castelldefels (Barcelona) - Spain Tel.: +34 93 645 29 00 -- Fax. +34 93 645 29 01 From zhang.xian@huawei.com Sun Oct 21 19:55:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85A7D21F85B0 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 19:55:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.083 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.083 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.762, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vyiYHspV3p-I for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 19:55:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA84021F8489 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 19:55:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 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bG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9wY2UNCg== From internet-drafts@ietf.org Mon Oct 22 12:29:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E2721F84C4; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 12:29:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.538 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.538 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.061, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YPIRHHz6qnK2; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 12:29:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0315321F84AB; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 12:29:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.34 Message-ID: <20121022192920.30185.1087.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 12:29:20 -0700 Cc: pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-gmpls-pcep-extensions-07.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 19:29:20 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element Working Group of= the IETF. Title : PCEP extensions for GMPLS Author(s) : Cyril Margaria Oscar Gonzalez de Dios Fatai Zhang Filename : draft-ietf-pce-gmpls-pcep-extensions-07.txt Pages : 42 Date : 2012-10-22 Abstract: This memo provides extensions for the Path Computation Element communication Protocol (PCEP) for the support of GMPLS control plane. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-gmpls-pcep-extensions There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-gmpls-pcep-extensions-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-pce-gmpls-pcep-extensions-07 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From julien.meuric@orange.com Thu Oct 25 02:39:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A9621F8992 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 02:39:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xCzFp1OVtTvM for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 02:39:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com (p-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com [195.101.245.15]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7BBD21F8498 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 02:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 8DEEC7E4002; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:39:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ftrdsmtp1.rd.francetelecom.fr (unknown [10.192.128.46]) by p-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8447E7D4001; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:39:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ftrdmel10.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.192.128.44]) by ftrdsmtp1.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:39:32 +0200 Received: from [10.193.71.236] ([10.193.71.236]) by ftrdmel10.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:39:31 +0200 Message-ID: <508908D1.8070204@orange.com> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:39:29 +0200 From: Julien Meuric Organization: France Telecom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121011 Thunderbird/16.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ramon Casellas References: <50824BE9.408@cttc.es> In-Reply-To: <50824BE9.408@cttc.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2012 09:39:31.0820 (UTC) FILETIME=[A2B3AAC0:01CDB294] Cc: "pce@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pce] stateful PCE - moving forward & next steps X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 09:39:35 -0000 Hi Ramon, hi contributors from shadow. We appreciate the effort of all those who are working on this work. It will be interesting to discuss the progress during our meeting in Atlanta. In the meantime, do not hesitate to share with the WG using the mailing list, like your message below. One 1st comment at this stage: you seem to suggest that the idea is to have separate document for MPLS-TE and GMPLS, but you do not give rationale. Apart from our history of RFC 5440 + draft-ietf-pce-gmpls (even with its scope, the former had a hard time), is there a particular reason for this choice? Do you expect much difference between those 2 kinds of extensions? Also keep in mind that GMPLS includes PSC... Thank you, Julien On 10/20/2012 08:59, Ramon Casellas wrote: > Dear PCErs, > > We've taken this issue off-list and discussed. A summary of our agreed > upon next steps follows for WG review: > > 1/ - We have agreed to merge the applicability portion of the existing > WG draft (draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce) with Xian’s presented draft on > this very same aspect. This new joint/merged draft, temporarily > referred to as draft-zhang-pce-stateful-pce-app-03, will tentatively > be ready for IETF86. It will be informational in nature, highlighting > the benefits and use cases of a stateful PCE. While this split is by > no means mandatory, it does address some comments raised during WG > adoption. Selected text and wording from to current framework draft > draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-02 will be moved to the applicability, > notably in sections 2 and 3. > > 2/ - draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-02 is relatively mature, and a > significant amount of time has been invested on it. It has been > recently updated to acknowledge/reflect that PCEP (and consequently > any PCEP functional extensions) needs to be extended to fully cover > GMPLS networks in a way similar to how RFC5440 is extended by > draft-ietf-pce-gmpls. This draft already covers most refined details > such as protocol procedures & messages, LSP identifiers, LSP > descriptive names, etc., while leaving technology specific aspects aside. > > 2.a – it is worth noting that, although draft-zhang-pce-stateful-app > will surely need to follow regular draft procedures, the chairs > explicitly agreed to accept the post-split framework as a working > group document given the acceptance of the original stateful doc. > > 3/ Since one of the additional comments during the WG adoption poll > (e.g., by yours truly and others) was that, in its previous form, > draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce did not cover GMPLS extensions and could > limit its applicability in transport networks, specific “solutions” > documents addressing extensions will be developed. They will be based > on the framework and will refer to it. > > -A consequence of this is that draft "Current Path Computation Element > (PCE) Protocol Extension for Stateful PCE Usage in GMPLS Networks", > aka draft-zhang-pce-pcep-stateful-pce-gmpls-01.txt will be rewritten > to follow the new apps & fwk and will define encodings e.g. at the > "message level" (such as extended RBNF for a PCRpt message considering > GMPLS-specific extensions). > > -Likewise, for RSVP-TE covering non-GMPLS cases & networks, a new > draft has just been submitted and will be presented > (draft-crabbe-pce-stateful-pce-mpls-te-00) > > -Within reasonable standard procedures, the GMPLS solutions draft can > just point at the relevant sections within > draft-crabbe-pce-stateful-pce-mpls-te-00 and complete where > appropriate / necessary. > > > 4/ Other stateful-PCE based applications will be identified in the > future. Our suggested procedure will consist on extending the basic > framework document by means of other drafts that complement it and > build upon the core framework. > > > > Thank you, > > Ramon, on behalf of the stateful-PCErs > > > From ramon.casellas@cttc.es Thu Oct 25 11:38:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DD6521F8916 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:38:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dp0ITfgLCZWP for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from navarro.puc.rediris.es (unknown [IPv6:2001:720:418:ca01::131]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B191D21F88CD for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:37:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [84.88.62.208] (helo=leo) by navarro.puc.rediris.es with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TRSOA-0001k5-MJ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 20:42:42 +0200 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (62.83.140.15.dyn.user.ono.com [62.83.140.15]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by leo (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 304B020120; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 20:37:54 +0200 (CEST) X-Envelope-From: ramon.casellas@cttc.es Message-ID: <50898706.5060005@cttc.es> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 20:37:58 +0200 From: Ramon Casellas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julien Meuric References: <50824BE9.408@cttc.es> <508908D1.8070204@orange.com> In-Reply-To: <508908D1.8070204@orange.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SPF-Received: 4 X-Spamina-Bogosity: Ham Cc: "pce@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pce] stateful PCE - moving forward & next steps X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 18:38:00 -0000 El 25/10/2012 11:39, Julien Meuric escribió: > > One 1st comment at this stage: you seem to suggest that the idea is to > have separate document for MPLS-TE and GMPLS, but you do not give > rationale. Apart from our history of RFC 5440 + draft-ietf-pce-gmpls > (even with its scope, the former had a hard time), is there a > particular reason for this choice? Do you expect much difference > between those 2 kinds of extensions? Also keep in mind that GMPLS > includes PSC... > Dear Julien, all Thanks for the feedback, I understand your point about GMPLS and, if I recall correctly, one of the reasons mentioned in previous internal discussions was the relative maturity of one (RFC5440) with regard to the other (draft-ietf-pce-gmpls). We can indeed discuss the different alternatives during IETF85, with all the involved parties, authors, and the WG. Although, initially, I had a slight preference to integrate GMPLS, (as I mentioned a while ago in my review of Ed's earlier drafts), I am fine either way. Maybe Ed, Jan, Ina, Fatai, Young, Xian or Oscar can comment on this? Thanks and best regards, R. From edc@google.com Thu Oct 25 11:46:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDAE621F8830 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:46:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.843 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.843 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.533, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SARE_HTML_USL_OBFU=1.666, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SJ3aOXAMjoFj for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:46:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ia0-f172.google.com (mail-ia0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC2021F8620 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:46:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ia0-f172.google.com with SMTP id o25so1781499iad.31 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:46:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:x-system-of-record; bh=NAe/eZ1jqMaL69UPFc+T5nZUOlObpxWYpZN+0rhBLYQ=; b=PojSqtYySV4vNx2RTIkTN+fBvdzfZNDPuvHxvxInFPZlPS1aEL5CijYsMxRf+Kllv5 w3sIxT2u0Rds1tUVpt+Qd+xx9BKJQ6keFu5x8hZqlNUzo6N/4I+EyvQE4C1RrA/9ATQG C8WVRmFFP3g7TS/i/kFYh3MNHAZLfByKnSaado7bjH2gg1jW01ZO7d2Z89Bd6XUPumbj L7Ov31e6VAi9IK2rpW4pFIskHFFTnhJqzD3C3g9TtQb+M2TrAozDCQD1LSITKo16KPLL ok1UvAR7B5hVXyxHpvEMnnkSQXMoVlsl0tl/RwdpMflGqHTjRLdxnoqzP8G/Fy0cdsri freA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:x-system-of-record:x-gm-message-state; bh=NAe/eZ1jqMaL69UPFc+T5nZUOlObpxWYpZN+0rhBLYQ=; b=GD8PU/b0sQsuoCJ9by9zifs55CzXsq/rG8sw18SI3icBZwYReKbtu/SWATXTawrKFO uP444hFkFj9Zs8tP+k/QpAWqAORhn7a4SGivsmDcQb9YFnDb0ariB3wGFr2sgoQgzRGI /GOFQoyLZ38odQAwWo67eGl9wn5/7lmjk99iHKRAr6TZnZA4T4jhFsAu9nwXxMEuw4EL +dmDPu3bwi7hroW9GItZGp/jtGow7BtTGh3jfRheJsxOLredrXNsv00sZXpkDQHiRepj 2+yNlmdVivWJTTMgTakr6rQLOG+h2w7fonsOo6RoHBM7VMyIlBEa+uT8pcrGXfZpW5Gu hXeg== Received: by 10.50.7.232 with SMTP id m8mr6894276iga.48.1351190774922; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:46:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.101.227 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:45:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <50898706.5060005@cttc.es> References: <50824BE9.408@cttc.es> <508908D1.8070204@orange.com> <50898706.5060005@cttc.es> From: Edward Crabbe Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:45:34 -0700 Message-ID: To: Ramon Casellas Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04462dd229bf4f04cce69ee8 X-System-Of-Record: true X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnBeiYsLdhGeJTIgoEuR6CIXhsuyDnXQfdGu63hDDrgg0SdZs746+V5K7Jlg09yjxqWKrqEPYUW8N2dVfUIVr0IQHtljU+rwrPcod7XHd5ygJ2CLsC1zTT/f1MhltOulNLMV+5CMRm7LUklgAxQe4dbFyrpd5/61dYh2BD8QW09UcuDcdikXOhYoERIzk6afa8XP8BY Cc: "pce@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pce] stateful PCE - moving forward & next steps X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 18:46:17 -0000 --f46d04462dd229bf4f04cce69ee8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey guys; I'm not sure whether we're discussing the separation of extension drafts or the framework draft here. The framework draft will provide mechanisms to support both extensions. The extensions are separated because they are supporting very different use cases and it is significantly cleaner from a documentation maintenance and organization perspective. best, -ed On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Ramon Casellas wr= ote: > El 25/10/2012 11:39, Julien Meuric escribi=F3: > > >> One 1st comment at this stage: you seem to suggest that the idea is to >> have separate document for MPLS-TE and GMPLS, but you do not give >> rationale. Apart from our history of RFC 5440 + draft-ietf-pce-gmpls (ev= en >> with its scope, the former had a hard time), is there a particular reaso= n >> for this choice? Do you expect much difference between those 2 kinds of >> extensions? Also keep in mind that GMPLS includes PSC... >> >> Dear Julien, all > > Thanks for the feedback, I understand your point about GMPLS and, if I > recall correctly, one of the reasons mentioned in previous internal > discussions was the relative maturity of one (RFC5440) with regard to the > other (draft-ietf-pce-gmpls). > > We can indeed discuss the different alternatives during IETF85, with all > the involved parties, authors, and the WG. Although, initially, I had a > slight preference to integrate GMPLS, (as I mentioned a while ago in my > review of Ed's earlier drafts), I am fine either way. > > Maybe Ed, Jan, Ina, Fatai, Young, Xian or Oscar can comment on this? > > Thanks and best regards, > R. > > > ______________________________**_________________ > Pce mailing list > Pce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/**listinfo/pce > --f46d04462dd229bf4f04cce69ee8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey guys;

I'm not sure whether we're discu= ssing the separation of extension drafts or the framework draft here. =A0Th= e framework draft will provide mechanisms to support both extensions. =A0Th= e extensions are separated because they are supporting very different use c= ases and it is significantly cleaner from a documentation maintenance and o= rganization perspective. =A0

best,
=A0 -ed

On= Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Ramon Casellas <ramon.casellas@cttc.e= s> wrote:
El 25/10/2012 11:39, Julien Meuric escribi= =F3:


One 1st comment at this stage: you seem to suggest that the idea is to have= separate document for MPLS-TE and GMPLS, but you do not give rationale. Ap= art from our history of RFC 5440 + draft-ietf-pce-gmpls (even with its scop= e, the former had a hard time), is there a particular reason for this choic= e? Do you expect much difference between those 2 kinds of extensions? Also = keep in mind that GMPLS includes PSC...

Dear Julien, all

Thanks for the feedback, I understand your point about GMPLS and, if I reca= ll correctly, one of the reasons mentioned in previous internal discussions= was the relative maturity of one (RFC5440) with regard to the other (draft= -ietf-pce-gmpls).

We can indeed discuss the different alternatives during IETF85, with all th= e involved parties, authors, and the WG. =A0Although, initially, I had a sl= ight preference to integrate GMPLS, (as I mentioned a while ago in my revie= w of Ed's earlier drafts), I am fine either way.

Maybe Ed, Jan, Ina, Fatai, Young, Xian or Oscar can comment on this?

Thanks and best regards,
R.


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--f46d04462dd229bf4f04cce69ee8-- From cyril.margaria@nsn.com Thu Oct 25 12:40:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A1A321F8584 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 12:40:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.351 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.351 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.248, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ctMv8nAq+Wxr for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 12:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (demumfd001.nsn-inter.net [93.183.12.32]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36B9E21F8578 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 12:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demuprx017.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.56]) by demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q9PJeMn3009219 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 21:40:22 +0200 Received: from DEMUEXC047.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.32.93]) by demuprx017.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q9PJeGYE001938 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 21:40:22 +0200 Received: from DEMUEXC013.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.128.24]) by DEMUEXC047.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 25 Oct 2012 21:39:41 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 21:39:41 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20121022192920.30185.1087.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-gmpls-pcep-extensions-07.txt Thread-Index: Ac2wi4xN35l640AUTYGPS+YbQ2LyIgCXEaig References: <20121022192920.30185.1087.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: "Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2012 19:39:41.0915 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A641AB0:01CDB2E8] X-purgate-type: clean X-purgate-Ad: Categorized by eleven eXpurgate (R) http://www.eleven.de X-purgate: clean X-purgate: This mail is considered clean (visit http://www.eleven.de for further information) X-purgate-size: 1992 X-purgate-ID: 151667::1351194022-000048BF-75B9CCCB/0-0/0-0 Subject: Re: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-gmpls-pcep-extensions-07.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 19:40:27 -0000 Dear PCErs This revision includes editorial clarifications based on the feedback we = received.=20 We think that the encoding and procedures are stable and we would like = the WG to review=20 the document before we ask for Last call.=20 Your time and comments will be highly appreciated.=20 Best regards / Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Cyril Margaria > -----Original Message----- > From: pce-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > ext internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 9:29 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: pce@ietf.org > Subject: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-gmpls-pcep-extensions-07.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element Working > Group of the IETF. >=20 > Title : PCEP extensions for GMPLS > Author(s) : Cyril Margaria > Oscar Gonzalez de Dios > Fatai Zhang > Filename : draft-ietf-pce-gmpls-pcep-extensions-07.txt > Pages : 42 > Date : 2012-10-22 >=20 > Abstract: > This memo provides extensions for the Path Computation Element > communication Protocol (PCEP) for the support of GMPLS control > plane. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-gmpls-pcep-extensions >=20 > There's also a htmlized version available at: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-gmpls-pcep-extensions-07 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > = http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-pce-gmpls-pcep-extensions- > 07 >=20 >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Pce mailing list > Pce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce From leeyoung@huawei.com Thu Oct 25 14:18:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8EB621F8829 for ; 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Thu, 25 Oct 2012 22:17:55 +0100 Received: from dfweml511-mbs.china.huawei.com ([169.254.15.149]) by dfweml404-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.203]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 14:17:51 -0700 From: Leeyoung To: Julien Meuric , Ramon Casellas Thread-Topic: [Pce] stateful PCE - moving forward & next steps Thread-Index: AQHNrpCPq/y4vSpIKEWwtrbPyiw43JfKQXmAgABMIjA= Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 21:17:50 +0000 Message-ID: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E17290975A0@dfweml511-mbs.china.huawei.com> References: <50824BE9.408@cttc.es> <508908D1.8070204@orange.com> In-Reply-To: <508908D1.8070204@orange.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.47.131.35] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: "pce@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pce] stateful PCE - moving forward & next steps X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 21:18:38 -0000 Hi Julien Thanks for providing your useful feedback on the issues of the separation o= f MPLS-TE version from GMPLS version of the solution draft for the stateful= PCE.=20 I think the separation was tentatively agreed by the authors of the two sep= arate documents due to the differing interest of the authors who have diffe= rent implementation needs (one for packet network; the other for transport = network). I don't know if this would be a valid reason for the separation, = but we are willing to hear from the WG feedback.=20 Thanks. Young -----Original Message----- From: pce-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Julie= n Meuric Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 4:39 AM To: Ramon Casellas Cc: pce@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pce] stateful PCE - moving forward & next steps Hi Ramon, hi contributors from shadow. We appreciate the effort of all those who are working on this work. It=20 will be interesting to discuss the progress during our meeting in=20 Atlanta. In the meantime, do not hesitate to share with the WG using the=20 mailing list, like your message below. One 1st comment at this stage: you seem to suggest that the idea is to=20 have separate document for MPLS-TE and GMPLS, but you do not give=20 rationale. Apart from our history of RFC 5440 + draft-ietf-pce-gmpls=20 (even with its scope, the former had a hard time), is there a particular=20 reason for this choice? Do you expect much difference between those 2=20 kinds of extensions? Also keep in mind that GMPLS includes PSC... Thank you, Julien On 10/20/2012 08:59, Ramon Casellas wrote: > Dear PCErs, > > We've taken this issue off-list and discussed. A summary of our agreed=20 > upon next steps follows for WG review: > > 1/ - We have agreed to merge the applicability portion of the existing=20 > WG draft (draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce) with Xian's presented draft on=20 > this very same aspect. This new joint/merged draft, temporarily=20 > referred to as draft-zhang-pce-stateful-pce-app-03, will tentatively=20 > be ready for IETF86. It will be informational in nature, highlighting=20 > the benefits and use cases of a stateful PCE. While this split is by=20 > no means mandatory, it does address some comments raised during WG=20 > adoption. Selected text and wording from to current framework draft=20 > draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-02 will be moved to the applicability,=20 > notably in sections 2 and 3. > > 2/ - draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-02 is relatively mature, and a=20 > significant amount of time has been invested on it. It has been=20 > recently updated to acknowledge/reflect that PCEP (and consequently=20 > any PCEP functional extensions) needs to be extended to fully cover=20 > GMPLS networks in a way similar to how RFC5440 is extended by=20 > draft-ietf-pce-gmpls. This draft already covers most refined details=20 > such as protocol procedures & messages, LSP identifiers, LSP=20 > descriptive names, etc., while leaving technology specific aspects aside. > > 2.a - it is worth noting that, although draft-zhang-pce-stateful-app=20 > will surely need to follow regular draft procedures, the chairs=20 > explicitly agreed to accept the post-split framework as a working=20 > group document given the acceptance of the original stateful doc. > > 3/ Since one of the additional comments during the WG adoption poll=20 > (e.g., by yours truly and others) was that, in its previous form,=20 > draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce did not cover GMPLS extensions and could=20 > limit its applicability in transport networks, specific "solutions"=20 > documents addressing extensions will be developed. They will be based=20 > on the framework and will refer to it. > > -A consequence of this is that draft "Current Path Computation Element=20 > (PCE) Protocol Extension for Stateful PCE Usage in GMPLS Networks",=20 > aka draft-zhang-pce-pcep-stateful-pce-gmpls-01.txt will be rewritten=20 > to follow the new apps & fwk and will define encodings e.g. at the=20 > "message level" (such as extended RBNF for a PCRpt message considering=20 > GMPLS-specific extensions). > > -Likewise, for RSVP-TE covering non-GMPLS cases & networks, a new=20 > draft has just been submitted and will be presented=20 > (draft-crabbe-pce-stateful-pce-mpls-te-00) > > -Within reasonable standard procedures, the GMPLS solutions draft can=20 > just point at the relevant sections within=20 > draft-crabbe-pce-stateful-pce-mpls-te-00 and complete where=20 > appropriate / necessary. > > > 4/ Other stateful-PCE based applications will be identified in the=20 > future. Our suggested procedure will consist on extending the basic=20 > framework document by means of other drafts that complement it and=20 > build upon the core framework. > > > > Thank you, > > Ramon, on behalf of the stateful-PCErs > > > _______________________________________________ Pce mailing list Pce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce From zhang.xian@huawei.com Thu Oct 25 18:28:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ED8521F87BD for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 18:28:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.338 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.338 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.508, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 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(Xian)" To: Julien Meuric , Ramon Casellas Thread-Topic: [Pce] stateful PCE - moving forward & next steps Thread-Index: AQHNrpCObCDiBvXRZkOdWOhWHP6m0ZfJRgSAgAGKE+A= Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 01:27:54 +0000 Message-ID: References: <50824BE9.408@cttc.es> <508908D1.8070204@orange.com> In-Reply-To: <508908D1.8070204@orange.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.66.105.102] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: "pce@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pce] stateful PCE - moving forward & next steps X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 01:28:12 -0000 SGksIERlYXIgSnVsaWVuIGFuZCBhbGwsIA0KDQogICBJTUhPLCB0aGUgc3RhdGVmdWwgUENFUCBw 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c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:x-system-of-record:x-gm-message-state; bh=HifcZ0UwZJMpa8+r6e/sPVqwoeVNQmv5+55ZeJ26YkU=; b=aipo1geMY8gm0f0bRj5svJ8A4POqMxd+Hs1Vzo3B7qE9Qzm7MDD4noPyOTd5AZyxm8 u6+t9Eud37sTUVeyLzBBEf7Saxm/kgLC5NKi61NIqGa8qVYg6j+cKOapbFk7bgj7acrB pyzN896MRcNkcdJAOKPWDe4XE865yDDtqJbf/FBq3iy/oafWaaZMJ9O3ddXPYWXa6kFZ 5y36OzE0LH/O5BPFkJy/+tf97Gdel3pHUC/dX6j+WETryP2Cc+/D7jqZbZl9ibfrq1gJ Fzg0kmrwahLCmvS25tbU7pVh07G9wZuZbj7h+hm2u3sfvLWVa3IBVGuUSiC4uhL84smK DLrg== Received: by 10.50.7.232 with SMTP id m8mr577992iga.48.1351217199543; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 19:06:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.101.227 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 19:05:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <50824BE9.408@cttc.es> <508908D1.8070204@orange.com> From: Edward Crabbe Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 19:05:59 -0700 Message-ID: To: "Zhangxian (Xian)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04462dd23175ec04ccecc5f7 X-System-Of-Record: true X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkSPolOAX/uUaRJwVXiZUh1agjR4lOSHhU3bklG/BfKHceGH40nqQ8mmH2lnFUo52sq5zIlGYRmDDQb0q+DivE0eJvGR0OjbUXYwghAU8/nGZN4Trj5Zj9VV+s5wfl94uOjS/iBja0BPgkOD149IiLvE/tTTp2x0QaC+DZSMEsCQYzjl06LPKJ09Yjwmi2fPn+fCEOa Cc: "pce@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pce] stateful PCE - moving forward & next steps X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 02:06:44 -0000 --f46d04462dd23175ec04ccecc5f7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I completely disagree. I think it makes a great deal of sense from both organizational and an implementation perspectives. As a designer of these protocols, it makes a great deal of sense to separate different extensions into different documents. This improves readability, makes draft revision simpler, decreases overall complexity for draft readers and just makes great deal of sense from an organizational perspective. As a consumer of these protocols, I may want to encourage vendors to implement one of these features without forcing them to implement both. (in fact this is the case for Google; as a company we do not care about GMPLS, we /do/ very much care about MPLS-TE.) On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Zhangxian (Xian) wr= ote: > Hi, Dear Julien and all, > > IMHO, the stateful PCEP protocol extensions for both MPLS and GMPLS > have lots in common. So, my understanding is that there should be one > extension document. However, the preference of different parties diverges= . > It would be good if we can hear more from the experts on the list which i= s > a better way to proceed. > > Regards, > > Xian > > -----Original Message----- > From: pce-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Julien Meuric > Sent: 2012=E5=B9=B410=E6=9C=8825=E6=97=A5 17:39 > To: Ramon Casellas > Cc: pce@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Pce] stateful PCE - moving forward & next steps > > Hi Ramon, hi contributors from shadow. > > We appreciate the effort of all those who are working on this work. It > will be interesting to discuss the progress during our meeting in > Atlanta. In the meantime, do not hesitate to share with the WG using the > mailing list, like your message below. > > One 1st comment at this stage: you seem to suggest that the idea is to > have separate document for MPLS-TE and GMPLS, but you do not give > rationale. Apart from our history of RFC 5440 + draft-ietf-pce-gmpls > (even with its scope, the former had a hard time), is there a particular > reason for this choice? Do you expect much difference between those 2 > kinds of extensions? Also keep in mind that GMPLS includes PSC... > > Thank you, > > Julien > > > On 10/20/2012 08:59, Ramon Casellas wrote: > > Dear PCErs, > > > > We've taken this issue off-list and discussed. A summary of our agreed > > upon next steps follows for WG review: > > > > 1/ - We have agreed to merge the applicability portion of the existing > > WG draft (draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce) with Xian=E2=80=99s presented dr= aft on > > this very same aspect. This new joint/merged draft, temporarily > > referred to as draft-zhang-pce-stateful-pce-app-03, will tentatively > > be ready for IETF86. It will be informational in nature, highlighting > > the benefits and use cases of a stateful PCE. While this split is by > > no means mandatory, it does address some comments raised during WG > > adoption. Selected text and wording from to current framework draft > > draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-02 will be moved to the applicability, > > notably in sections 2 and 3. > > > > 2/ - draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-02 is relatively mature, and a > > significant amount of time has been invested on it. It has been > > recently updated to acknowledge/reflect that PCEP (and consequently > > any PCEP functional extensions) needs to be extended to fully cover > > GMPLS networks in a way similar to how RFC5440 is extended by > > draft-ietf-pce-gmpls. This draft already covers most refined details > > such as protocol procedures & messages, LSP identifiers, LSP > > descriptive names, etc., while leaving technology specific aspects asid= e. > > > > 2.a =E2=80=93 it is worth noting that, although draft-zhang-pce-statefu= l-app > > will surely need to follow regular draft procedures, the chairs > > explicitly agreed to accept the post-split framework as a working > > group document given the acceptance of the original stateful doc. > > > > 3/ Since one of the additional comments during the WG adoption poll > > (e.g., by yours truly and others) was that, in its previous form, > > draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce did not cover GMPLS extensions and could > > limit its applicability in transport networks, specific =E2=80=9Csoluti= ons=E2=80=9D > > documents addressing extensions will be developed. They will be based > > on the framework and will refer to it. > > > > -A consequence of this is that draft "Current Path Computation Element > > (PCE) Protocol Extension for Stateful PCE Usage in GMPLS Networks", > > aka draft-zhang-pce-pcep-stateful-pce-gmpls-01.txt will be rewritten > > to follow the new apps & fwk and will define encodings e.g. at the > > "message level" (such as extended RBNF for a PCRpt message considering > > GMPLS-specific extensions). > > > > -Likewise, for RSVP-TE covering non-GMPLS cases & networks, a new > > draft has just been submitted and will be presented > > (draft-crabbe-pce-stateful-pce-mpls-te-00) > > > > -Within reasonable standard procedures, the GMPLS solutions draft can > > just point at the relevant sections within > > draft-crabbe-pce-stateful-pce-mpls-te-00 and complete where > > appropriate / necessary. > > > > > > 4/ Other stateful-PCE based applications will be identified in the > > future. Our suggested procedure will consist on extending the basic > > framework document by means of other drafts that complement it and > > build upon the core framework. > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > Ramon, on behalf of the stateful-PCErs > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pce mailing list > Pce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce > > _______________________________________________ > Pce mailing list > Pce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce > > --f46d04462dd23175ec04ccecc5f7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I completely disagree. =C2=A0I think it makes a great deal of sense from bo= th organizational and an implementation perspectives.

As a des= igner of these protocols, it makes a great deal of sense to separate differ= ent extensions into different documents. =C2=A0This improves readability, m= akes draft revision simpler, decreases overall complexity for draft readers= and just makes great deal of sense from an organizational perspective.=C2= =A0

As a consumer of these protocols, I may want to en= courage vendors to implement one of these features without forcing them to = implement both.=C2=A0
(in fact this is the case for Google; as a = company we do not care about GMPLS, we /do/ very much care about MPLS-TE.) = =C2=A0

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Zhangxian (= Xian) <zhang.xian@huawei.com> wrote:
Hi, Dear Julien and all,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0IMHO, the stateful PCEP protocol extensions for both MPLS and = GMPLS have lots in common. So, my understanding is that there should be one= extension document. However, the preference of different parties diverges.= It would be good if we can hear more from the experts on the list which is= a better way to proceed.

Regards,

Xian

-----Original Message-----
From: pce-bounces@ietf.org [mai= lto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Be= half Of Julien Meuric
Sent: 2012=E5=B9=B410=E6=9C=8825=E6=97=A5 17= :39
To: Ramon Casellas
Cc: pce@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Pce] stateful PCE - moving forward & next steps

Hi Ramon, hi contributors fro= m shadow.

We appreciate the effort of all those who are working on this work. It
will be interesting to discuss the progress during our meeting in
Atlanta. In the meantime, do not hesitate to share with the WG using the mailing list, like your message below.

One 1st comment at this stage: you seem to suggest that the idea is to
have separate document for MPLS-TE and GMPLS, but you do not give
rationale. Apart from our history of RFC 5440 + draft-ietf-pce-gmpls
(even with its scope, the former had a hard time), is there a particular reason for this choice? Do you expect much difference between those 2
kinds of extensions? Also keep in mind that GMPLS includes PSC...

Thank you,

Julien


On 10/20/2012 08:59, Ramon Casellas wrote:
> Dear PCErs,
>
> We've taken this issue off-list and discussed. A summary of our ag= reed
> upon next steps follows for WG review:
>
> 1/ - We have agreed to merge the applicability portion of the existing=
> WG draft (draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce) with Xian=E2=80=99s presented d= raft on
> this very same aspect. This new joint/merged draft, temporarily
> referred to as draft-zhang-pce-stateful-pce-app-03, will tentatively > be ready for IETF86. It will be informational in nature, highlighting<= br> > the benefits and use cases of a stateful PCE. While this split is by > no means mandatory, it does address some comments raised during WG
> adoption. Selected text and wording from to current framework draft > draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-02 will be moved to the applicability,
> notably in sections 2 and 3.
>
> 2/ - draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-02 is relatively mature, and a
> significant amount of time has been invested on it. It has been
> recently updated to acknowledge/reflect that PCEP (and consequently > any PCEP functional extensions) needs to be extended to fully cover > GMPLS networks in a way similar to how RFC5440 is extended by
> draft-ietf-pce-gmpls. This draft already covers most refined details > such as protocol procedures & messages, LSP identifiers, LSP
> descriptive names, etc., while leaving technology specific aspects asi= de.
>
> 2.a =E2=80=93 it is worth noting that, although draft-zhang-pce-statef= ul-app
> will surely need to follow regular draft procedures, the chairs
> explicitly agreed to accept the post-split framework as a working
> group document given the acceptance of the original stateful doc.
>
> 3/ Since one of the additional comments during the WG adoption poll > (e.g., by yours truly and others) was that, in its previous form,
> draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce did not cover GMPLS extensions and could > limit its applicability in transport networks, specific =E2=80=9Csolut= ions=E2=80=9D
> documents addressing extensions will be developed. They will be based<= br> > on the framework and will refer to it.
>
> -A consequence of this is that draft "Current Path Computation El= ement
> (PCE) Protocol Extension for Stateful PCE Usage in GMPLS Networks"= ;,
> aka draft-zhang-pce-pcep-stateful-pce-gmpls-01.txt will be rewritten > to follow the new apps & fwk and will define encodings e.g. at the=
> "message level" (such as extended RBNF for a PCRpt message c= onsidering
> GMPLS-specific extensions).
>
> -Likewise, for RSVP-TE covering non-GMPLS cases & networks, a new<= br> > draft has just been submitted and will be presented
> (draft-crabbe-pce-stateful-pce-mpls-te-00)
>
> -Within reasonable standard procedures, the GMPLS solutions draft can<= br> > just point at the relevant sections within
> draft-crabbe-pce-stateful-pce-mpls-te-00 and complete where
> appropriate / necessary.
>
>
> 4/ Other stateful-PCE based applications will be identified in the
> future. Our suggested procedure will consist on extending the basic > framework document by means of other drafts that complement it and
> build upon the core framework.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Ramon, on behalf of the stateful-PCErs
>
>
>

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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f502df475de6904ccf56595 X-System-Of-Record: true X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnbk7+kQJH1PW4Uvvh/0tARkyAUwLpx0CUT4qOFQYXjls4hHexaQIDIwQcHSguiTdI46AL5DtXFTJFq9esareZztUtH8LKsfgaKdKz+QSD1UQhxpdv974xX9qeypdFJ0af2kbO/DUqezNzoX8EnG6qTEznvl0s9VRdHLpQR3Akw+WIRMycTQ4s4ic1NPQFlPH4YF0IA Cc: "pce@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pce] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiBzdGF0ZWZ1bCBQQ0UgLSBtb3ZpbmcgZm9yd2Fy?= =?utf-8?q?d_=26_next_steps?= X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 12:24:09 -0000 --e89a8f502df475de6904ccf56595 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oscar; Comments in-line; In the case of current Working Group stateful PCE solution > (draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-02), the focus is mainly on the new function= s > to be supported: Capability Negotiation, State Synchronization, LSP Stat= e > Report , LSP Control Delegation, LSP Update Request, etc All these set of > functions are independent whether it is a MPLS-TE or a GMPLS tunnel. Thus= , > I don't see why the scope should be limited to MPLS-TE. Thank you very much for being specific about which draft you are referring to! The framework draft, draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-02, is obviously NOT limited to MPLS-TE. This draft is intended to support extensions for MPLS-TE, GMPLS and other potential extensions going forward. This has been the case from the beginning. Please see my previous email about the /framework/ draft supporting MPLS-TE & GMPLS as well as the several off list discussions we've had regarding same. An (re)illustration of the proposed document set relationships is included below: applicability draft | | core framework draft | | /|\ ____/ | \____ / | \ / | RSVP-TE / | / | GMPLS | | other extensions note that this is *not* a timeseries. :P > Would those functions be different in GMPLS and needed separate messages > and objects, I would agree in separating the solution. For example, in th= e > current draft, there are very few objects which are MPLS-TE specific. That is intentional. Again, you are referring to the framework draft, which was intended to support both from the beginning. AFAIK we are discussing the separate extension drafts. If we are NOT discussing the separate extensions draft then we are in violent agreement: the framework should, and does support both. > I have gone through the document several times to see the points which > could be different in GMPLS, and I could not find them (maybe I miss > something here, so If you think the number of specific MPLS-TE /GMPLS > objects will be significant, please give the examples). All the new > messages apply for both MPLS-TE and GMPLS, without the need of any change= . > Yes, this was deliberate. Please see my previous email in the thread regarding extension vs framework. > For other applications of the stateful PCE, GMPLS and MPLS-TE may > go in separate documents if there are many differences between them, and > the documents are cleaner with separate extensions. > > "(in fact this is the case for Google; as a company we do not care about > GMPLS, we /do/ very much care about MPLS-TE.) " > > Sorry, Ed, but the argument of a specific company position of wha= t > cares or not is by no means acceptable. Please, limit the arguments to > technical and not political. > Oh, I agree that the specific google instance has no bearing here; this isn't a political argument and is true no matter what company we're talking about, vendor or customer. The longer form of the argument is as follows: If you combine the *extension* drafts, you end up with both features being glommed together in one spec. If a specific vendor is in one market or the other and does not require the full spec, OR a specific customer has need of only one of the two and is pushing a vendor to implement it, combining the two into a single draft either adds additional work in unnecessarily implementing both or potentially increases the difficulty for the implementor in disentangling the two and claiming RFC compliance. Having separate *extension* drafts inherently provides the split that exists the two markets in reality. best, -ed ________________________________ > > Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. Puede consultar > nuestra pol=EDtica de env=EDo y recepci=F3n de correo electr=F3nico en el= enlace > situado m=E1s abajo. > This message is intended exclusively for its addressee. 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=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 In the case of current Working Group stateful PCE solution = (draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-02), the focus is mainly on the new functions = to be supported: Capability Negotiation, =A0State Synchronization, LSP Stat= e Report , LSP Control Delegation, LSP Update Request, etc All these set of= functions are independent whether it is a MPLS-TE or a GMPLS tunnel. Thus,= I don't see why the scope should be limited to MPLS-TE.

Thank you very much for being specific about which draf= t you are referring to! =A0The framework draft, draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce= -02,=A0is obviously NOT limited to MPLS-TE. =A0This draft is intended to su= pport extensions for MPLS-TE, GMPLS and other potential extensions going fo= rward. =A0This has been the case from the beginning. =A0Please see my previ= ous email about the /framework/ draft supporting MPLS-TE & GMPLS as wel= l as the several off list discussions we've had regarding same. =A0An (= re)illustration of the proposed document set relationships is included belo= w:

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=A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 other extensions=A0

<= div>note that this is *not* a t= imeseries. :P

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Would those functions be diff= erent in GMPLS and needed separate messages and objects, I would agree in s= eparating the solution. For example, in the current draft, there are very f= ew objects which are MPLS-TE specific.

That is intentional. =A0Again, you are referring to the= framework draft, which was intended to support both from the beginning. = =A0
AFAIK we are discussing the separate extension drafts. =A0If = we are NOT discussing the separate extensions draft then we are in violent = agreement: the framework should, and does support both. =A0
=A0
I have gone through the docum= ent several times to see the points which could be different in GMPLS, and = I could not find them (maybe I miss something here, so If you think the num= ber of specific MPLS-TE /GMPLS objects will be significant, please give the= examples). All the new messages apply for both MPLS-TE and GMPLS, without = the need of any change.

Yes, this was deliberate. =A0Please see my= previous email in the thread regarding extension vs framework.
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=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 For other applications of the stateful PCE, GMPLS and MPLS-= TE may go in separate documents if there are many differences between them,= and the documents are cleaner with separate extensions.

"(in fact this is the case for Google; as a company we do not care abo= ut GMPLS, we /do/ very much care about MPLS-TE.) =A0"

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Sorry, Ed, but the argument of a specific company pos= ition of what cares or not is by no means acceptable. Please, limit the arg= uments to technical and not political.

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Oh, I agree that the specific google instance has no bearing her= e; =A0this isn't a political argument and is true no matter what compan= y we're talking about, vendor or customer. =A0The longer form of the ar= gument is as follows:=A0

If you combine the *extension* drafts, you end up with = both features being glommed together in one spec. =A0If a specific vendor i= s in one market or the other and does not require the full spec, OR a speci= fic customer has need of only one of the two and is pushing a vendor to imp= lement it, combining the two into a single draft either adds=A0additional= =A0work in=A0unnecessarily implementing both or=A0potentially increases the= difficulty for the implementor in disentangling the two and claiming RFC c= ompliance. =A0Having separate *extension* drafts inherently provides the sp= lit that exists the two markets in reality. =A0

best,

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<001801cdb456$73f4e9b0$5bdebd10$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01CDB45E.D5F98F00" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQH4jSZLcGjqDKJBz8CB28Alfb6ikgHjUlNCASj6zQYBqxMsy5dR1i9A Content-Language: en-gb Cc: pce@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pce] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogc3RhdGVmdWwgUENFIC0gbW92aW5nIGZvcndhcmQg?= =?gb2312?b?JiBuZXh0IHN0ZXBz?= X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 15:19:43 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CDB45E.D5F98F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, =20 Speaking as an individual contributor... =20 I like Ed's picture, but I would offer an insert *if* it is possible. = Maybe there is a generic extensions document to be broken out and inserted in = the picture below "core framework draft" and before the fork into the = various targeted extensions drafts. =20 This might be over-cooking the problem because the generic could be = included in the first targeted extensions draft, and those could make reference. = However, consider poor old Ed having to point at a GMPLS-specific document in = order to tell his MPLS-TE vendor what to implement. =20 I appreciate that it is not always possible to consider the generic when = there is only one specific use case. But here we know that there are two in = the pipe so we can at least give some thought to it.=20 =20 A =20 =20 From: pce-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Edward Crabbe Sent: 26 October 2012 13:23 To: Oscar Gonz=A8=A2lez de Dios Cc: pce@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pce] =B4=F0=B8=B4: stateful PCE - moving forward & next = steps =20 Oscar;=20 =20 Comments in-line; In the case of current Working Group stateful PCE solution (draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-02), the focus is mainly on the new = functions to be supported: Capability Negotiation, State Synchronization, LSP State = Report , LSP Control Delegation, LSP Update Request, etc All these set of = functions are independent whether it is a MPLS-TE or a GMPLS tunnel. Thus, I don't see = why the scope should be limited to MPLS-TE. =20 Thank you very much for being specific about which draft you are = referring to! The framework draft, draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-02, is obviously NOT = limited to MPLS-TE. This draft is intended to support extensions for MPLS-TE, = GMPLS and other potential extensions going forward. This has been the case from = the beginning. Please see my previous email about the /framework/ draft = supporting MPLS-TE & GMPLS as well as the several off list discussions we've had = regarding same. An (re)illustration of the proposed document set relationships is included below: =20 applicability draft =20 | =20 | core framework draft =20 | | /|\ ____/ | \____ =20 / | \ / | RSVP-TE =20 / | / | GMPLS | =20 | other extensions=20 =20 note that this is *not* a timeseries. :P =20 =20 Would those functions be different in GMPLS and needed separate messages = and objects, I would agree in separating the solution. For example, in the = current draft, there are very few objects which are MPLS-TE specific. =20 That is intentional. Again, you are referring to the framework draft, = which was intended to support both from the beginning. =20 AFAIK we are discussing the separate extension drafts. If we are NOT = discussing the separate extensions draft then we are in violent agreement: the = framework should, and does support both. =20 =20 I have gone through the document several times to see the points which = could be different in GMPLS, and I could not find them (maybe I miss something = here, so If you think the number of specific MPLS-TE /GMPLS objects will be = significant, please give the examples). All the new messages apply for both MPLS-TE = and GMPLS, without the need of any change. =20 Yes, this was deliberate. Please see my previous email in the thread = regarding extension vs framework. =20 =20 =20 For other applications of the stateful PCE, GMPLS and MPLS-TE = may go in separate documents if there are many differences between them, and the = documents are cleaner with separate extensions. "(in fact this is the case for Google; as a company we do not care about = GMPLS, we /do/ very much care about MPLS-TE.) " Sorry, Ed, but the argument of a specific company position of = what cares or not is by no means acceptable. Please, limit the arguments to = technical and not political. =20 =20 Oh, I agree that the specific google instance has no bearing here; this = isn't a political argument and is true no matter what company we're talking = about, vendor or customer. The longer form of the argument is as follows:=20 =20 If you combine the *extension* drafts, you end up with both features = being glommed together in one spec. If a specific vendor is in one market or = the other and does not require the full spec, OR a specific customer has = need of only one of the two and is pushing a vendor to implement it, combining = the two into a single draft either adds additional work in unnecessarily = implementing both or potentially increases the difficulty for the implementor in disentangling the two and claiming RFC compliance. Having separate = *extension* drafts inherently provides the split that exists the two markets in = reality. =20 =20 best, =20 -ed =20 =20 =20 ________________________________ Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. Puede consultar = nuestra pol=A8=AAtica de env=A8=AAo y recepci=A8=AEn de correo electr=A8=AEnico = en el enlace situado m=A8=A2 s abajo. This message is intended exclusively for its addressee. We only send and = receive email on the basis of the terms set out at: http://www.tid.es/ES/PAGINAS/disclaimer.aspx _______________________________________________ Pce mailing list Pce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01CDB45E.D5F98F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

 

Speaking as an individual = contributor...

 

I like Ed's picture, but I = would offer an insert *if* it is possible. Maybe there is a generic = extensions document to be broken out and inserted in the picture below = "core framework draft" and before the fork into the various = targeted extensions drafts.

 

This might be over-cooking the = problem because the generic could be included in the first targeted = extensions draft, and those could make reference. However, consider poor = old Ed having to point at a GMPLS-specific document in order to tell his = MPLS-TE vendor what to implement.

 

I appreciate that it is not = always possible to consider the generic when there is only one specific = use case. But here we know that there are two in the pipe so we can at = least give some thought to it.

 

A

 

 

From: = pce-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Edward Crabbe
Sent: 26 October 2012 13:23
To: = Oscar Gonz=A8=A2lez de Dios
Cc: = pce@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Pce] =B4=F0=B8=B4: stateful PCE - = moving forward & next steps

 

Oscar; 

 

Comments = in-line;

  =       In the case of current Working Group stateful PCE = solution (draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-02), the focus is mainly on the = new functions to be supported: Capability Negotiation,  State = Synchronization, LSP State Report , LSP Control Delegation, LSP Update = Request, etc All these set of functions are independent whether it is a = MPLS-TE or a GMPLS tunnel. Thus, I don't see why the scope should be = limited to MPLS-TE.

 

Thank you very much for being specific about which = draft you are referring to!  The framework draft, = draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-02, is obviously NOT limited to = MPLS-TE.  This draft is intended to support extensions for MPLS-TE, = GMPLS and other potential extensions going forward.  This has been = the case from the beginning.  Please see my previous email about = the /framework/ draft supporting MPLS-TE & GMPLS as well as the = several off list discussions we've had regarding same.  An = (re)illustration of the proposed document set relationships is included = below:

 

      applicability = draft        

              = ;              |            =             =   

              = |
     core framework draft   =   
              = |
              |
    =          /|\
        = ____/ | \____              
  =      /      |     =  \
      /       |   =  RSVP-TE       
     /   =      |
    /         = |
 GMPLS        |       =               

              = |
        other extensions 

 

note that this is *not* a timeseries. :P

 

 

Would = those functions be different in GMPLS and needed separate messages and = objects, I would agree in separating the solution. For example, in the = current draft, there are very few objects which are MPLS-TE = specific.

 

That is intentional.  Again, you are referring to = the framework draft, which was intended to support both from the = beginning.  

AFAIK we = are discussing the separate extension drafts.  If we are NOT = discussing the separate extensions draft then we are in violent = agreement: the framework should, and does support both. =  

 

I have = gone through the document several times to see the points which could be = different in GMPLS, and I could not find them (maybe I miss something = here, so If you think the number of specific MPLS-TE /GMPLS objects will = be significant, please give the examples). All the new messages apply = for both MPLS-TE and GMPLS, without the need of any = change.

 

Yes, this was deliberate.  Please see my previous = email in the thread regarding extension vs = framework.

 

 

 


        For other applications = of the stateful PCE, GMPLS and MPLS-TE may go in separate documents if = there are many differences between them, and the documents are cleaner = with separate extensions.


"(in fact this is the case for = Google; as a company we do not care about GMPLS, we /do/ very much care = about MPLS-TE.)  "

        Sorry, Ed, but the = argument of a specific company position of what cares or not is by no = means acceptable. Please, limit the arguments to technical and not = political.

 

 

Oh, I agree that the specific google instance has no = bearing here;  this isn't a political argument and is true no = matter what company we're talking about, vendor or customer.  The = longer form of the argument is as = follows: 

 

If you combine the *extension* drafts, you end up with = both features being glommed together in one spec.  If a specific = vendor is in one market or the other and does not require the full spec, = OR a specific customer has need of only one of the two and is pushing a = vendor to implement it, combining the two into a single draft either = adds additional work in unnecessarily implementing both = or potentially increases the difficulty for the implementor in = disentangling the two and claiming RFC compliance.  Having separate = *extension* drafts inherently provides the split that exists the two = markets in reality.  

 

best,

 

  -ed

 

 

 

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ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1565921F8485 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 06:48:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 07B21B1E002; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 06:42:14 -0700 (PDT) To: msiva@cisco.com, jdparker@cisco.com, sboutros@cisco.com, ke-kumaki@kddi.com, stbryant@cisco.com, adrian@olddog.co.uk, jpv@cisco.com, julien.meuric@orange.com From: RFC Errata System Message-Id: <20121030134214.07B21B1E002@rfc-editor.org> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 06:42:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 07:39:46 -0700 Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, pce@ietf.org, dana.kutenicsova@pantheon.sk Subject: [Pce] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5455 (3396) X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 13:48:18 -0000 The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5455, "Diffserv-Aware Class-Type Object for the Path Computation Element Communication Protocol". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5455&eid=3396 -------------------------------------- Type: Technical Reported by: Dana Kutenicsova Section: 3.2 Original Text ------------- ::= [] [] [] [] [] [] [] Corrected Text -------------- ::= [] [] [] [] [[]] [] [] Notes ----- Reoptimization BANDWIDTH object was allowed to appear as BANDWIDTH to RRO in PCReq message in draft-ietfd-pce-pcep-10, which became RFC5440. This change was never reflected in the history of RFC5455. Instructions: ------------- This errata is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party (IESG) can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. -------------------------------------- RFC5455 (draft-ietf-pce-dste-02) -------------------------------------- Title : Diffserv-Aware Class-Type Object for the Path Computation Element Communication Protocol Publication Date : March 2009 Author(s) : S. Sivabalan, Ed., J. Parker, S. Boutros, K. Kumaki Category : PROPOSED STANDARD Source : Path Computation Element Area : Routing Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From julien.meuric@orange.com Wed Oct 31 02:41:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2E6121F872C for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 02:41:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.649 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.649 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, J_CHICKENPOX_32=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id upCHAGpCf8sS for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 02:41:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from r-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com (r-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com [217.108.152.41]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3240921F8718 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 02:41:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from r-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 40695DE4004 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:42:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from ftrdsmtp2.rd.francetelecom.fr (unknown [10.192.128.47]) by r-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32F0CDE4002 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:42:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from ftrdmel10.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.192.128.44]) by ftrdsmtp2.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:41:00 +0100 Received: from [10.193.116.63] ([10.193.116.63]) by ftrdmel10.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:41:00 +0100 Message-ID: <5090F229.3080608@orange.com> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:40:57 +0100 From: Julien Meuric Organization: France Telecom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121011 Thunderbird/16.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "pce@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Oct 2012 09:41:00.0530 (UTC) FILETIME=[D60E3D20:01CDB74B] Subject: [Pce] PCE Meeting in Atlanta X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:41:02 -0000 Hi PCE'rs. You may have noticed that a draft agenda for our meeting during IETF 85 is online: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/85/agenda/pce/ Any comments should be sent to the chairs. Presenters are requested to send their slides by Sunday 4th. Thanks, JP & Julien