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The document was moved to the standards track 6 months back during the Berlin meeting. There have been no issues raised. The document was WG last called and now awaits shepherd review and write-up. There are no dependencies on other document and can be moved to the IESG. Happy 2017! Regards, Dhruv On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 9:43 AM, wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element of the IETF. > > Title : Secure Transport for PCEP > Authors : Diego R. Lopez > Oscar Gonzalez de Dios > Qin Wu > Dhruv Dhody > Filename : draft-ietf-pce-pceps-11.txt > Pages : 18 > Date : 2017-01-02 > > Abstract: > The Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) defines > the mechanisms for the communication between a Path Computation > Client (PCC) and a Path Computation Element (PCE), or among PCEs. > This document describe the usage of Transport Layer Security (TLS) to > enhance PCEP security, hence the PCEPS acronym proposed for it. The > additional security mechanisms are provided by the transport protocol > supporting PCEP, and therefore they do not affect the flexibility and > extensibility of PCEP. > > This document updates RFC 5440 regarding the PCEP initialization > phase specification. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-pceps/ > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-pceps-11 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pce-pceps-11 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > Pce mailing list > Pce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce > --001a1143e01671ecaa05452927e6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi WG, Chairs,

We have updated t= he version to avoid expiry.=C2=A0

<= /font>
The document was moved to the standards= track 6 months back during the Berlin meeting. There have been no issues r= aised.=C2=A0
The document was WG last c= alled and now awaits shepherd=C2=A0review and write-up. There are no depend= encies on other document and can be moved to the IESG.

Happy 2017!=C2=A0<= /font>

Dhruv

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 9:43 AM, = <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element of the IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= Secure Transport for PCEP
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Dieg= o R. Lopez
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Oscar Gonzalez de Dios
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Qin Wu
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Dhruv Dhody
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-pce-pceps-11.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 18
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2017-01-02

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) def= ines
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the mechanisms for the communication between a Path Computatio= n
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Client (PCC) and a Path Computation Element (PCE), or among PC= Es.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document describe the usage of Transport Layer Security (= TLS) to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0enhance PCEP security, hence the PCEPS acronym proposed for it= .=C2=A0 The
=C2=A0 =C2=A0additional security mechanisms are provided by the transport p= rotocol
=C2=A0 =C2=A0supporting PCEP, and therefore they do not affect the flexibil= ity and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0extensibility of PCEP.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document updates RFC 5440 regarding the PCEP initializati= on
=C2=A0 =C2=A0phase specification.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ie= tf-pce-pceps/

There's also a htmlized version available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-p= ceps-11

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3D= draft-ietf-pce-pceps-11


Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n
until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/

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the fact that one of the references is an I-D from 2014 sort of tells the tale. The UTA working group have worked over the idea of how to start TLS and RFC7525, RFC7672 and RFC7457 may now be relevant while draft-elie-nntp-tls-recommendations-03 is the most recent working over of that territory that I know of and I would regard that as the current standard. For example, he tackles the terminology of strict v implicit v mandatory TLS, which the RFC have muddied the waters on. So, ready for the IESG in 2015, now I am less clear. Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dhruv Dhody" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 4:32 AM Subject: Re: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-pceps-11.txt > Hi WG, Chairs, > > We have updated the version to avoid expiry. > > The document was moved to the standards track 6 months back during the > Berlin meeting. There have been no issues raised. > The document was WG last called and now awaits shepherd review and > write-up. There are no dependencies on other document and can be moved to > the IESG. > > Happy 2017! > > Regards, > Dhruv > > > > On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 9:43 AM, wrote: > > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > > directories. > > This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element of the IETF. > > > > Title : Secure Transport for PCEP > > Authors : Diego R. Lopez > > Oscar Gonzalez de Dios > > Qin Wu > > Dhruv Dhody > > Filename : draft-ietf-pce-pceps-11.txt > > Pages : 18 > > Date : 2017-01-02 > > > > Abstract: > > The Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) defines > > the mechanisms for the communication between a Path Computation > > Client (PCC) and a Path Computation Element (PCE), or among PCEs. > > This document describe the usage of Transport Layer Security (TLS) to > > enhance PCEP security, hence the PCEPS acronym proposed for it. The > > additional security mechanisms are provided by the transport protocol > > supporting PCEP, and therefore they do not affect the flexibility and > > extensibility of PCEP. > > > > This document updates RFC 5440 regarding the PCEP initialization > > phase specification. > > > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-pceps/ > > > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-pceps-11 > > > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pce-pceps-11 > > > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > >> _______________________________________________ > Pce mailing list > Pce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce > From nobody Tue Jan 3 03:22:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421C5129492; Tue, 3 Jan 2017 03:22:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kTBXbs3xzP6Z; Tue, 3 Jan 2017 03:22:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from EUR01-HE1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-he1eur01on0110.outbound.protection.outlook.com [104.47.0.110]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 29709129435; Tue, 3 Jan 2017 03:22:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from DB6PR0601MB2167.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.168.57.26) by DB6PR0601MB2167.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.168.57.26) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.1.817.10; Tue, 3 Jan 2017 11:22:00 +0000 Received: from DB6PR0601MB2167.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com ([10.168.57.26]) by DB6PR0601MB2167.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com ([10.168.57.26]) with mapi id 15.01.0817.009; Tue, 3 Jan 2017 11:22:00 +0000 From: "Diego R. 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quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: metaswitch.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 03 Jan 2017 17:52:32.1036 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 9d9e56eb-f613-4ddb-b27b-bfcdf14b2cdb X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BY2PR0201MB1911 Archived-At: Cc: "pce@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext@ietf.org" , "tomonori.takeda@ntt.com" Subject: Re: [Pce] Shepherd's review of draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext-11 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 17:52:37 -0000 Hi Adrian I think your proposed new text is good. Many thanks. Please submit the update and I will do the shepherd's report. Cheers Jon -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk]=20 Sent: 29 December 2016 18:52 To: Jonathan Hardwick Cc: pce@ietf.org; draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext@ietf.org; tomonori.takeda@= ntt.com Subject: RE: [Pce] Shepherd's review of draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext-11 > > Section 3.1 > > This text: > > > >=A0=A0 o=A0 However, when the I flag is set (one), the M flag is clear > > (zero), and the T flag is clear (zero), since triggered signaling > > is not allowed, virtual TE links must not be used in path > > computation. > > > > I don't think I agree with this interpretation.=A0 The virtual TE=20 > > links have been set up ahead of time, and are already in the link=20 > > state database for the client layer, I believe?=A0 If so, using them=20 > > for a client layer path should not require any additional triggered=20 > > signalling within the server layer.=A0 My understanding of this=20 > > combination of bits is that the computed path may use virtual TE=20 > > links in the client layer, but may not use loose hops across the=20 > > server layer, or specify nodes/links in the server layer as explicit=20 > > hops.=A0 Please tell me if > > I am misunderstanding this. >=20 > I think a virtual link may or may not already be set up in the=20 > underlying network. > That is, the link appears in the TED, but may be ready for use of may=20 > require triggered signalling before it can be used. In the PCReq the=20 > PCC can say "You must > supply a path that can only be used if it is pre-established" (T=3D0) or= =20 > "You can > supply a path that can be left unestablished requires triggered=20 > signalling if you > like" (T=3D1). >=20 > Given that interpretation, does your understanding change? >=20 > [Jon] Thanks for the clarification. I agree that the virtual link may=20 > or may not > already be set up. But I don't think it follows that "virtual TE=20 > links must not be > used in path computation" if T=3D0. If the PCE happens to know that a=20 > virtual TE link > is pre-established (as it may from the stateful PCE extensions), then=20 > I think the > PCE should be allowed to use it. Would it make sense to say "virtual=20 > TE links MUST NOT be used in path computation unless the PCE knows=20 > that they are already established"? I am going round and round on this :-( I, M, and T grrrrrrrr! Our case is I=3D1, M=3D0, T=3D0 meaning: - The PCE may perform inter-layer path computation and return an inter-laye= r path - A mono-layer path is requested - Triggered signaling is not allowed I read this to mean that the computation may look at more than one layer, b= ut that the returned path must be in only one layer. Therefore, the path ca= nnot dip into another layer, but could use a virtual link that spans that l= ayer. However, that virtual link must already exist and cannot be set up on= demand. So far, so good. Now, if the virtual link has been pre-established it will (presumably?) alr= eady appear in the TED for the upper layer, so I think you are right. OLD o However, when the I flag is set (one), the M flag is clear (zero), and the T flag is clear (zero), since triggered signaling is not allowed, virtual TE links must not be used in path computation. In addition, loose hops that span the lower-layer network must not be specified. Therefore, this is equivalent to the I flag being clear (zero). NEW o However, when the I flag is set (one), the M flag is clear (zero), and the T flag is clear (zero), since triggered signaling is not allowed, virtual TE links that have not been pre-signaled MUST NOT be used in path computation. In addition, loose hops that span the=20 lower-layer network MUST NOT be specified. Therefore, this is equivalent to the I flag being clear (zero). END > > I think we should strengthen the requirements of the following text: > > > > Reserved bits of the INTER-LAYER object SHOULD be transmitted as=20 > > zero and SHOULD be ignored on receipt.=A0 A PCE that forwards a path=20 > > computation request to other PCEs SHOULD preserve the settings of=20 > > reserved bits in the PCReq messages it sends and in the PCRep=20 > > messages it forwards to PCCs. > > > > as follows: > > > > Reserved bits of the INTER-LAYER object sent between a PCC and > >=A0PCE in the same domain MUST be transmitted as zero and SHOULD be=20 > >ignored on receipt.=A0 A PCE that forwards a path computation request=20 > >to other PCEs MUST preserve the settings of reserved bits in the=20 > >PCReq messages it sends and in the PCRep messages it forwards to PCCs. > > > > Otherwise, an implementation that chooses to ignore the SHOULDs=20 > > could break any new features that want to use the reserved bits. >=20 > I can go with your changed wording. But beware the people who say=20 > that, as a result of the "MUST" you can't build any protocol=20 > extensions :-) >=20 > [Jon] Thanks. I think the usage of "MUST" in such cases is normal and=20 > is consistent > with RFC 5440. Done? Cheers, Adrian From nobody Tue Jan 3 10:37:44 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5721E129A95; Tue, 3 Jan 2017 10:37:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.40.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148346866035.27950.13814813994912018169.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 10:37:40 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext-12.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 18:37:40 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element of the IETF. Title : Extensions to the Path Computation Element communication Protocol (PCEP) for Inter-Layer MPLS and GMPLS Traffic Engineering Authors : Eiji Oki Tomonori Takeda Adrian Farrel Fatai Zhang Filename : draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext-12.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2017-01-03 Abstract: The Path Computation Element (PCE) provides path computation functions in support of traffic engineering in Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) and Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) networks. MPLS and GMPLS networks may be constructed from layered service networks. It is advantageous for overall network efficiency to provide end-to-end traffic engineering across multiple network layers through a process called inter-layer traffic engineering. PCE is a candidate solution for such requirements. The PCE communication Protocol (PCEP) is designed as a communication protocol between Path Computation Clients (PCCs) and PCEs. This document presents PCEP extensions for inter-layer traffic engineering. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext-12 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext-12 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Jan 3 10:40:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F394E129AB3; Tue, 3 Jan 2017 10:40:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.62 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.62 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lH5bnEI-ynze; Tue, 3 Jan 2017 10:40:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (asmtp4.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.175]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7792F129ABB; Tue, 3 Jan 2017 10:40:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp4.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v03IeSAo014016; Tue, 3 Jan 2017 18:40:28 GMT Received: from 950129200 ([176.241.251.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp4.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v03IeNpg013964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 3 Jan 2017 18:40:26 GMT From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Jonathan Hardwick'" References: <069a01d24cd6$3cc06600$b6413200$@olddog.co.uk> <007c01d26204$b244f2e0$16ced8a0$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 18:40:25 -0000 Message-ID: <01f901d265f0$dbdb1450$93913cf0$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQJzd3mvtbwMjiEDFF8lFGvR+Tfx1wFD36K2AyJjJVYBzwnOqQKDiURZn58rdqA= Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.0.0.1202-22802.002 X-TM-AS-Result: No--28.554-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--28.554-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: gjZGo2H/wj8mMPeO88gK4OYAh37ZsBDCt3aeg7g/usAutoY2UtFqGJLh dzvM9HUPzUAvYp9mDrVe1AFSKjFQ87SYnj+K473ZfuyIS1Zjfrs6En2bnefhoJ0Koq3EzpuHjpl k8H4dyyQZujSVfCx0H7rNuGXOJ3gRKGWYAsXksciMVQb49Y23Iw6nbD+PGRKUyAm/eZWEOkq0nj 9xfM4ElLyOa0OQvjATDGI8K8tLsIjGeamlItyGaHV895e/Bd2JeJ1OirYwzAPGcoKvwj5q6G9Vu adbvLRcYu/D01RMwi5E48pCXoMz9KNmd7pYp+mt+/7/+WpTWHr/qP1IyFxdAptx6bI/EO4abeFL UQzPDHFu128ncnNF5n1A4Eld7N3vGdD3TGFR1dPThGbP9qB93ClayzmQ9QV01gisw2JKo8mxhfl aOLwMOoHUU3zwwvQ9QtjXdvasMHH2uFM7xPmS0WlHv4vQHqYTVX7TxgU0dK7IvQIyugvKdfTZex vEON4TchgWp5y4Yu0DCEjdICDyKDcpdZ3fQiLdEzQnFLEeMUlJ26wvUT/iUQU5rQ/jDZbqjoczm uoPCq2UTGVAhB5EbQ== Archived-At: Cc: pce@ietf.org, draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext@ietf.org, tomonori.takeda@ntt.com Subject: Re: [Pce] Shepherd's review of draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext-11 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 18:40:33 -0000 Done. Thanks. Adrian > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Hardwick [mailto:Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com] > Sent: 03 January 2017 17:53 > To: adrian@olddog.co.uk > Cc: pce@ietf.org; draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext@ietf.org; > tomonori.takeda@ntt.com > Subject: RE: [Pce] Shepherd's review of = draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext-11 >=20 > Hi Adrian >=20 > I think your proposed new text is good. Many thanks. > Please submit the update and I will do the shepherd's report. >=20 > Cheers > Jon >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] > Sent: 29 December 2016 18:52 > To: Jonathan Hardwick > Cc: pce@ietf.org; draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext@ietf.org; > tomonori.takeda@ntt.com > Subject: RE: [Pce] Shepherd's review of = draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext-11 >=20 > > > Section 3.1 > > > This text: > > > > > >=A0=A0 o=A0 However, when the I flag is set (one), the M flag is = clear > > > (zero), and the T flag is clear (zero), since triggered = signaling > > > is not allowed, virtual TE links must not be used in path > > > computation. > > > > > > I don't think I agree with this interpretation.=A0 The virtual TE > > > links have been set up ahead of time, and are already in the link > > > state database for the client layer, I believe?=A0 If so, using = them > > > for a client layer path should not require any additional = triggered > > > signalling within the server layer.=A0 My understanding of this > > > combination of bits is that the computed path may use virtual TE > > > links in the client layer, but may not use loose hops across the > > > server layer, or specify nodes/links in the server layer as = explicit > > > hops.=A0 Please > tell me if > > > I am misunderstanding this. > > > > I think a virtual link may or may not already be set up in the > > underlying > network. > > That is, the link appears in the TED, but may be ready for use of = may > > require triggered signalling before it can be used. In the PCReq the > > PCC can say "You > must > > supply a path that can only be used if it is pre-established" = (T=3D0) or > > "You > can > > supply a path that can be left unestablished requires triggered > > signalling if > you > > like" (T=3D1). > > > > Given that interpretation, does your understanding change? > > > > [Jon] Thanks for the clarification. I agree that the virtual link = may > > or may > not > > already be set up. But I don't think it follows that "virtual TE > > links must > not be > > used in path computation" if T=3D0. If the PCE happens to know that = a > > virtual > TE link > > is pre-established (as it may from the stateful PCE extensions), = then > > I think > the > > PCE should be allowed to use it. Would it make sense to say = "virtual > > TE links MUST NOT be used in path computation unless the PCE knows > > that they are already established"? >=20 > I am going round and round on this :-( >=20 > I, M, and T grrrrrrrr! >=20 > Our case is I=3D1, M=3D0, T=3D0 meaning: > - The PCE may perform inter-layer path computation and return an = inter-layer > path > - A mono-layer path is requested > - Triggered signaling is not allowed >=20 > I read this to mean that the computation may look at more than one = layer, but > that the returned path must be in only one layer. Therefore, the path = cannot dip > into another layer, but could use a virtual link that spans that = layer. However, that > virtual link must already exist and cannot be set up on demand. >=20 > So far, so good. >=20 > Now, if the virtual link has been pre-established it will = (presumably?) already > appear in the TED for the upper layer, so I think you are right. >=20 > OLD > o However, when the I flag is set (one), the M flag is clear = (zero), > and the T flag is clear (zero), since triggered signaling is not > allowed, virtual TE links must not be used in path computation. > In addition, loose hops that span the lower-layer network must = not > be specified. Therefore, this is equivalent to the I flag being > clear (zero). > NEW > o However, when the I flag is set (one), the M flag is clear = (zero), > and the T flag is clear (zero), since triggered signaling is not > allowed, virtual TE links that have not been pre-signaled MUST = NOT > be used in path computation. In addition, loose hops that span = the > lower-layer network MUST NOT be specified. Therefore, this is > equivalent to the I flag being clear (zero). > END >=20 > > > I think we should strengthen the requirements of the following = text: > > > > > > Reserved bits of the INTER-LAYER object SHOULD be transmitted as > > > zero and SHOULD be ignored on receipt.=A0 A PCE that forwards a = path > > > computation request to other PCEs SHOULD preserve the settings of > > > reserved bits in the PCReq messages it sends and in the PCRep > > > messages it forwards to PCCs. > > > > > > as follows: > > > > > > Reserved bits of the INTER-LAYER object sent between a PCC and > > >=A0PCE in the same domain MUST be transmitted as zero and SHOULD = be > > >ignored on receipt.=A0 A PCE that forwards a path computation = request > > >to other PCEs MUST preserve the settings of reserved bits in the > > >PCReq messages it sends and in the PCRep messages it forwards to = PCCs. > > > > > > Otherwise, an implementation that chooses to ignore the SHOULDs > > > could break any new features that want to use the reserved bits. > > > > I can go with your changed wording. But beware the people who say > > that, as a result of the "MUST" you can't build any protocol > > extensions :-) > > > > [Jon] Thanks. I think the usage of "MUST" in such cases is normal = and > > is > consistent > > with RFC 5440. >=20 > Done? >=20 > Cheers, > Adrian From nobody Wed Jan 4 04:47:05 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BE88129512; Wed, 4 Jan 2017 04:47:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=metaswitch.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6MZ7u8xrypYz; 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A copy of the shepherd's report is below, for your information. Cheers Jon =3D=3D=3D (1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard, Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)? Why is this the proper type of RFC? Is this type of RFC indicated in the title page header? Proposed Standard - indicated in the title page header. This is the correct type as the draft proposes extensions to the Path Computation Element Protocol (PCEP). (2) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up. Recent examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections: Technical Summary The Path Computation Element (PCE) provides path computation functions in support of traffic engineering in Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) and Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) networks. MPLS and GMPLS networks may be constructed from layered service networks. It is advantageous for overall network efficiency to provide end-to-end traffic engineering across multiple network layers through a process called inter-layer traffic engineering. This document presents PCEP extensions for inter-layer traffic engineering. Working Group Summary There has been no particular controversy and the consensus behind the document is good. Document Quality Some implementations exist. There were a few detailed reviews during working group last call. Personnel Jonathan Hardwick is the Document Shepherd. Deborah Brungard is the Responsible Area Director. (3) Briefly describe the review of this document that was performed by the Document Shepherd. If this version of the document is not ready for publication, please explain why the document is being forwarded to the IESG. I reviewed the text around the time of working group last call. In my opinion, the document is ready to be published. (4) Does the document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? No. (5) Do portions of the document need review from a particular or from broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, AAA, DNS, DHCP, XML, or internationalization? If so, describe the review that took place. No. (6) Describe any specific concerns or issues that the Document Shepherd has with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is uncomfortable with certain parts of the document, or has concerns whether there really is a need for it. In any event, if the WG has discussed those issues and has indicated that it still wishes to advance the document, detail those concerns here. None. (7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why. Yes. 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Dear WG

 

I have just submitted draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext= to the IESG for publication.  A copy of the shepherd’s report i= s below, for your information.

 

Cheers

Jon

 

=3D=3D=3D

 

(1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Propos= ed Standard,

Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or H= istoric)?  Why

is this the proper type of RFC?  Is this type o= f RFC indicated in the

title page header?

 

  Proposed Standard - indicated in the title pa= ge header.

  This is the correct type as the draft propose= s extensions

  to the Path Computation Element Protocol (PCE= P).

 

 

(2) The IESG approval announcement includes a Docume= nt Announcement

Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcemen= t Write-Up. Recent

examples can be found in the "Action" anno= uncements for approved

documents. The approval announcement contains the fo= llowing sections:

 

Technical Summary

 

  The Path Computation Element (PCE) provides p= ath computation

  functions in support of traffic engineering i= n Multiprotocol Label

  Switching (MPLS) and Generalized MPLS (GMPLS)= networks.

  MPLS and GMPLS networks may be constructed fr= om layered service

  networks.  It is advantageous for overal= l network efficiency to

  provide end-to-end traffic engineering across= multiple network layers

  through a process called inter-layer traffic = engineering.  This

  document presents PCEP extensions for inter-l= ayer traffic

  engineering.

 

 

Working Group Summary

 

  There has been no particular controversy and = the consensus behind

  the document is good.

 

 

Document Quality

 

  Some implementations exist.  There were = a few detailed reviews during

  working group last call.

 

 

Personnel

 

  Jonathan Hardwick is the Document Shepherd.&n= bsp; Deborah Brungard is the

  Responsible Area Director.

 

 

(3) Briefly describe the review of this document tha= t was performed by

the Document Shepherd.  If this version of the = document is not ready

for publication, please explain why the document is = being forwarded to

the IESG.

 

  I reviewed the text around the time of workin= g group last call.

  In my opinion, the document is ready to be pu= blished.

 

 

(4) Does the document Shepherd have any concerns abo= ut the depth or

breadth of the reviews that have been performed?

 

  No.

 

 

(5) Do portions of the document need review from a p= articular or from

broader perspective, e.g., security, operational com= plexity, AAA, DNS,

DHCP, XML, or internationalization? If so, describe = the review that

took place.

 

  No.

 

 

(6) Describe any specific concerns or issues that th= e Document Shepherd

has with this document that the Responsible Area Dir= ector and/or the

IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or = she is uncomfortable

with certain parts of the document, or has concerns = whether there really

is a need for it. In any event, if the WG has discus= sed those issues and

has indicated that it still wishes to advance the do= cument, detail those

concerns here.

 

  None.

 

 

(7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appro= priate IPR

disclosures required for full conformance with the p= rovisions of BCP 78

and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain = why.

 

  Yes.

 

 

(8) Has an IPR disclosure been filed that references= this document?

If so, summarize any WG discussion and conclusion re= garding the IPR

disclosures.

 

  No.

 

 

(9) How solid is the WG consensus behind this docume= nt? Does it

represent the strong concurrence of a few individual= s, with others

being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand a= nd agree with it?

 

  It has been carefully reviewed by a few inter= ested individuals.

  Most of the working group was silent during w= orking group last call,

  however this is probably due to the document = lifetime being long and

  the document being stable for over a year.&nb= sp; I judge there is enough

  consensus behind the document to publish it.<= o:p>

 

 

(10) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise in= dicated extreme

discontent? If so, please summarise the areas of con= flict in separate

email messages to the Responsible Area Director. (It= should be in a

separate email because this questionnaire is publicl= y available.)

 

  No.

 

 

(11) Identify any ID nits the Document Shepherd has = found in this

document. (See https://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ an= d the Internet-Drafts

Checklist). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this = check needs to be

thorough.

 

  Because the draft originates from before 10 N= ovember 2008, idnits reports

  the following warning.

 

  -- The document seems to lack a disclaimer fo= r pre-RFC5378 work, but may

     have content which was firs= t submitted before 10 November 2008.  If you

     have contacted all the orig= inal authors and they are all willing to grant

     the BCP78 rights to the IET= F Trust, then this is fine, and you can ignore

     this comment.  If not,= you may need to add the pre-RFC5378 disclaimer.

     (See the Legal Provisions d= ocument at

     http://trustee.ietf.org/lic= ense-info for more information.)

 

  However, the document states in its preamble:=

 

     This Internet-Draft is subm= itted in full conformance with the

     provisions of BCP 78 and BC= P 79.

 

  Thus my understanding is that the authors hav= e granted the BCP78 rights

  to the IETF trust.

 

 

(12) Describe how the document meets any required fo= rmal review

criteria, such as the MIB Doctor, media type, and UR= I type reviews.

 

  N/A.

 

 

(13) Have all references within this document been i= dentified as

either normative or informative?

 

  Yes.

 

 

(14) Are there normative references to documents tha= t are not ready for

advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If= such normative

references exist, what is the plan for their complet= ion?

 

  There is a normative reference to [I-D.ietf-p= ce-stateful-pce] but this

  has recently been submitted to the IESG for p= ublication.

  There is a normative reference to [I-D.ietf-p= ce-pce-initiated-lsp] but

  this will soon be submitted to the IESG for p= ublication (pending

  responses to an IPR poll).

 

 

(15) Are there downward normative references referen= ces (see RFC 3967)?

If so, list these downward references to support the= Area Director in

the Last Call procedure.

 

  No.

 

 

(16) Will publication of this document change the st= atus of any

existing RFCs? Are those RFCs listed on the title pa= ge header, listed

in the abstract, and discussed in the introduction? = If the RFCs are not

listed in the Abstract and Introduction, explain why= , and point to the

part of the document where the relationship of this = document to the

other RFCs is discussed. If this information is not = in the document,

explain why the WG considers it unnecessary.

 

  No.

 

 

(17) Describe the Document Shepherd's review of the = IANA considerations

section, especially with regard to its consistency w= ith the body of the

document. Confirm that all protocol extensions that = the document makes

are associated with the appropriate reservations in = IANA registries.

Confirm that any referenced IANA registries have bee= n clearly

identified. Confirm that newly created IANA registri= es include a

detailed specification of the initial contents for t= he registry, that

allocations procedures for future registrations are = defined, and a

reasonable name for the new registry has been sugges= ted (see RFC 5226).

 

  IANA actions are clearly specified, covering = all protocol extensions.

  One new PCEP registry is created and is fully= specified.

 

 

(18) List any new IANA registries that require Exper= t Review for future

allocations. Provide any public guidance that the IE= SG would find

useful in selecting the IANA Experts for these new r= egistries.

 

  None.

 

 

(19) Describe reviews and automated checks performed= by the Document

Shepherd to validate sections of the document writte= n in a formal

language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitio= ns, etc.

 

  None.

--_000_BY2PR0201MB1910EF766EA866551D36F7F084610BY2PR0201MB1910_-- From nobody Wed Jan 4 09:27:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A13E31293D8; Wed, 4 Jan 2017 09:27:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Meeting Session Request Tool\"" To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.40.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148355087162.13050.6753900772415895114.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2017 09:27:51 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: julien.meuric@orange-ftgroup.com, pce@ietf.org, pce-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] pce - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 98 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2017 17:27:51 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Julien Meuric, a Chair of the pce working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Path Computation Element Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Julien Meuric Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 100 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: ccamp mpls i2rs spring teas Second Priority: sfc rtgwg pals isis ospf idr nfvrg detnet Third Priority: roll 6tisch manet lwig bess bfd bier sdnrg Special Requests: We'll use an MPLS slot as a joint session between a few WGs, including PCE. --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Wed Jan 4 10:53:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 328E91295D5 for ; 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Wed, 04 Jan 2017 10:53:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.12.177.146 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Jan 2017 10:53:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <070be8c6-1954-0414-7cb4-27c048c173c0@hq.sk> References: <13d1bd3c-5abc-136c-87e1-5fd9c3b4bffb@orange.com> <070be8c6-1954-0414-7cb4-27c048c173c0@hq.sk> From: Ina Minei Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 10:53:27 -0800 Message-ID: To: Robert Varga Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113757fcda39620545494cf6 Archived-At: Cc: draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp@ietf.org, "pce@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pce] Last IPR Check for draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2017 18:53:30 -0000 --001a113757fcda39620545494cf6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Ina On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Robert Varga wrote: > On 11/18/2016 03:36 PM, Julien Meuric wrote: > > Dear authors of the aforementioned I-D, > > > > Could you please share with the mailing list whether you are aware of > > any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp and, if so, if > > it has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules? (See RFCs 3979= , > > 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details.) If you are not aware of any IPR > > that applies, please reply saying =E2=80=9CI am not aware of any IPR th= at > > applies to this draft=E2=80=9D. > > > > A feedback from each of you is required to move the document to the IES= G. > > I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. > > Regards, > Robert > > --001a113757fcda39620545494cf6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.=C2= =A0

Ina=C2=A0

=
On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Robert Varga <nite@hq= .sk> wrote:
On 11/18/2016 03:36 PM, Julien Meuric wrote:
> Dear authors of the aforementioned I-D,
>
> Could you please share with the mailing list whether you are aware of<= br> > any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp and, if = so, if
> it has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules? (See RFCs 397= 9,
> 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details.)=C2=A0 If you are not aware of a= ny IPR
> that applies, please reply saying =E2=80=9CI am not aware of any IPR t= hat
> applies to this draft=E2=80=9D.
>
> A feedback from each of you is required to move the document to the IE= SG.

I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.

Regards,
Robert


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I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.
=

On Wed, Jan= 4, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Ina Minei <inaminei@google.com> wrot= e:
I am= not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.=C2=A0

Ina=C2=A0

On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Rober= t Varga <nite@hq.sk> wrote:
On 11/18/2016 03:36 PM, Julien Meuric wrote:
> Dear authors of the aforementioned I-D,
>
> Could you please share with the mailing list whether you are aware of<= br> > any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp and, if = so, if
> it has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules? (See RFCs 397= 9,
> 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details.)=C2=A0 If you are not aware of a= ny IPR
> that applies, please reply saying =E2=80=9CI am not aware of any IPR t= hat
> applies to this draft=E2=80=9D.
>
> A feedback from each of you is required to move the document to the IE= SG.

I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.

Regards,
Robert



--001a114d580cbfa246054549a08d-- From nobody Wed Jan 4 12:10:02 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D767B129A9F for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:10:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -17.622 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-17.622 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qxMO3aBp53SQ for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:09:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-3.cisco.com (alln-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.142.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 915F0129695 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:09:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1786; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1483560599; x=1484770199; h=from:to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version: content-transfer-encoding; bh=o5KZ9Ar2O9TyqciGibuew+xkPsynMRxzYWDtrfgnu2I=; b=m+Oj7S7QDVaSSzIHCPWBH76ym0gFxkJ5SYetO/u3cVKqT4tXyG7RPL5E HQ0rR9fqM108wjUp7YlLs2oEOfaG731atFLhIm/skxemYFQhFYO78xSFR Lg9ssps/6nEAAK4HWbqtBvO/ic46wd59br8iXaTcYO0+FDW1t/lW86POy I=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0BsAQD7VW1Y/4ENJK1eGgEBAQECAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QgBAQEBgyoOAQEBAQEfgQ6ONKlqggiHej8UAQIBAQEBAQEBYyiFEgQRXBoCJgJ?= =?us-ascii?q?pAwgBAYhfDZ91kAGBazqKKTKBC4U6ggIIgleEMGKCOYJeBZALin6RQYolhjSSQ?= =?us-ascii?q?B84gSuGL4kGAQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.33,317,1477958400"; d="scan'208";a="367898852" Received: from alln-core-9.cisco.com ([173.36.13.129]) by alln-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 04 Jan 2017 20:09:58 +0000 Received: from [161.44.192.56] (dhcp-kta1-161-44-192-56.cisco.com [161.44.192.56]) (authenticated bits=0) by alln-core-9.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v04K9w3Z002578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:09:58 GMT From: Aaron Itskovich To: pce@ietf.org Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 15:07:39 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated-User: aitskovi Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2017 20:10:01 -0000 I suggest to add indication that PCE Initiated LSP is orphan to LSP object in PCReport message. This information will be useful in facilitating takeover of an orphan LSP by redundant PCE server. Option 1) Adding bit to the LSP flags (L-bit "parentless/orphan") that will be set in the LSP object of the PCReport message sent when PCE Initiated LSP becomes orphan as result of connection loss to the PCE server that initiated this LSP or because such PCE server returns LSP delegation to the PCC to initiate transfer of LSP "ownership" to another PCE server. Option 2) Adding bit to the LSP flags (D2-bit ) that is set when such LSP is delegated to any PCE server. In this option PCE receiving report will be able to derive when PCE Initiated LSP is in orphan state when C flag in the report is set and the new D2-bit is not set. This proposal (regardless which option 1 or 2 is used ) alows PCC to propagate "orphan" state for the PCE initiated LSP to all PCE servers. It will help to trigger takeover of a PCE initiated LSP. The existing alternative is to rely on the PCE server to server communication for detection of such events which is prone to errors. For example: - loss of communication between PCE-A and PCE-B may be interpreted as "takeover" trigger which is not necessarily true as PCE-A<->PCC connection may still be up. - In case where PCE-A <-> PCC connection is down and both PCC <-> PCE-B and PCE-A <-> PCE-B connections are up we will need each PCE server to distribute information about connection with it's clients to all peers The suggestion frees PCE server from the need to propagate it's client connection status to all other PCE servers. 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MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: metaswitch.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 05 Jan 2017 15:24:13.6492 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 9d9e56eb-f613-4ddb-b27b-bfcdf14b2cdb X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BY2PR0201MB1911 Archived-At: Cc: "draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth@ietf.org" , "pce-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: [Pce] Poll for adoption: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-09 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2017 15:24:19 -0000 --_000_BY2PR0201MB191078869D7F31052330053284600BY2PR0201MB1910_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, This is start of a two week poll on making draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-aut= o-bandwidth-09 a PCE working group document. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidt= h/ Please review the draft and send an email to the list indicating "yes/suppo= rt" or "no/do not support". If indicating no, please state your reasons. = If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd like to see address= ed once the document is a WG document. The poll ends on Thursday January 19. Thanks, Jon, JP and Julien --_000_BY2PR0201MB191078869D7F31052330053284600BY2PR0201MB1910_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

All,

 

This is start of a two week poll on making draft-= dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-09 a PCE working group document.=

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/d= raft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth/

 

Please review the draft and send an email to the = list indicating “yes/support” or “no/do not support”= ;.  If indicating no, please state your reasons.  If yes, please = also feel free to provide comments you'd like to see addressed once the document is a WG document.

 

The poll ends on Thursday January 19.<= /p>

 

Thanks,

Jon, JP and Julien

 

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: metaswitch.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 05 Jan 2017 16:25:24.1630 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 9d9e56eb-f613-4ddb-b27b-bfcdf14b2cdb X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BY2PR0201MB1910 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2017 16:25:28 -0000 Hi Aaron Thanks for the comment. There are no procedures defined that would allow a= PCE to initiate a take-over of an LSP from a PCC. Rather, the PCC must de= legate the LSP to an appropriate PCE (if the LSP is initiated by a PCE then= it must initially be delegated to that PCE). The cases you mention would = be resolved by the PCC making a local decision whether or not to re-delegat= e the LSP to an alternative PCE. So, I am not sure that the "orphan" flag would be useful to the PCE, at lea= st not for the purpose that you describe. Best regards Jon -----Original Message----- From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Itskovich Sent: 04 January 2017 20:08 To: pce@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pce] draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp I suggest to add indication that PCE Initiated LSP is orphan to LSP object = in PCReport message. This information will be useful in facilitating takeov= er of an orphan LSP by redundant PCE server. Option 1) Adding bit to the LSP flags (L-bit "parentless/orphan") that will= be set in the LSP object of the PCReport message sent when PCE Initiated L= SP becomes orphan as result of connection loss to the PCE server that initi= ated this LSP or because such PCE server returns LSP delegation to the PCC = to initiate transfer of LSP "ownership" to another PCE server. Option 2) Adding bit to the LSP flags (D2-bit ) that is set when such LSP i= s delegated to any PCE server. In this option PCE receiving report will be = able to derive when PCE Initiated LSP is in orphan state when C flag in the= report is set and the new D2-bit is not set. This proposal (regardless which option 1 or 2 is used ) alows PCC to propag= ate "orphan" state for the PCE initiated LSP to all PCE servers. =20 It will help to trigger takeover of a PCE initiated LSP. The existing alter= native is to rely on the PCE server to server communication for detection o= f such events which is prone to errors. For example: - loss of communication between PCE-A and PCE-B may be interpreted as = "takeover" trigger which is not necessarily true as PCE-A<->PCC connection = may still be up. - In case where PCE-A <-> PCC connection is down and both PCC <-> PCE-= B and PCE-A <-> PCE-B connections are up we will need each PCE server to d= istribute information about connection with it's clients to all peers The suggestion frees PCE server from the need to propagate it's client conn= ection status to all other PCE servers. Let me know what you think Thanks Aaron _______________________________________________ Pce mailing list Pce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce From nobody Thu Jan 5 11:32:26 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65E81129630 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2017 11:32:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -17.622 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-17.622 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hbla0X3nsGGT for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2017 11:32:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-3.cisco.com (alln-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.142.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 82B9C1295D5 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2017 11:32:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=4233; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1483644743; x=1484854343; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:mime-version: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/xq9zqMVjqr0nKhStL0t5n4Q+uCJyQ16KQZ/wI50Ykk=; b=VD7UZsWU5M0k7M6EhRKQ1hwzQI7MuFDTRuyiJOD49JztmQfQ6DK/zeb2 h6vW5/fQmb2pNKR2dWL06t+WlkhjncFkT8Xxq+QzF8V8YCuoHIeCRgZ0v APnUVd6e26VJsk52FswFpCPvwz1OfUCXhX0oCfw9SSoaHGxoRXnrc/jmR g=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0ATAQBjnm5Y/5xdJa1dGQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBBwEBAQEBgyoOAQEBAQEfX4EMjVeURpUnggkfC4V4AoFKPxQBAgEBAQEBAQF?= =?us-ascii?q?jKIRoAQEBBAEBJRE2FwQLEQQBAQEnBycfCQgGAQkDBgIBAYhfDQ6xXzqKGAEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBARgFhkWCAoJfhDCFfAEEkA+LAZFDgXaILyOGEpJ?= =?us-ascii?q?GHziBIRoVM4ZBVYhmAQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.33,322,1477958400"; d="scan'208";a="368345474" Received: from rcdn-core-5.cisco.com ([173.37.93.156]) by alln-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 05 Jan 2017 19:32:22 +0000 Received: from [161.44.192.56] (dhcp-kta1-161-44-192-56.cisco.com [161.44.192.56]) (authenticated bits=0) by rcdn-core-5.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v05JWKes031644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 5 Jan 2017 19:32:22 GMT To: Jonathan Hardwick , "pce@ietf.org" References: From: Aaron Itskovich Message-ID: <6abff8b0-3b68-c17c-dfaf-3e636292ed3b@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 14:30:02 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated-User: aitskovi Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2017 19:32:25 -0000 Hi Jon, Thanks for your reply. My interpretation of the following section of the existing draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp is that PCC cannot just re-delegate PCE initiated LSP to a PCE. In case of PCEP session failure, control over PCE-initiated LSPs reverts to the PCC at the expiration of the redelegation timeout. At this point, the LSP is an "orphan" until the expiration of the State Timeout timer. To obtain control of a PCE-initiated LSP, a PCE (either the original or one of its backups) sends a PCInitiate message, including just the SRP and LSP objects, and carrying the PLSP-ID of the LSP it wants to take control of. Receipt of a PCInitiate message with a non-zero PLSP-ID normally results in the generation of a PCErr. If the LSP is an orphan, the PCC MUST NOT generate an error and MUST redelegate the LSP to the PCE. The State Timeout timer for the LSP is stopped upon the re-delegation. I read it as PCC is not free to delegate PCE initiated LSP even in orphan state, it rather waits (using State Timer) for other PCE server to "adopt" such "orphan" LSP. This behavior is different for the PCE initiated LSPs vs PCC initiated LSPs. Hence my suggestion was a mechanism that will help redundant PCE servers to discover PCE initiated LSPs that enter "orphan" state and trigger "adoption" process which is different then the just re-delegation. Thanks Aaron On 2017-01-05 11:25 AM, Jonathan Hardwick wrote: > Hi Aaron > > Thanks for the comment. There are no procedures defined that would allow a PCE to initiate a take-over of an LSP from a PCC. Rather, the PCC must delegate the LSP to an appropriate PCE (if the LSP is initiated by a PCE then it must initially be delegated to that PCE). The cases you mention would be resolved by the PCC making a local decision whether or not to re-delegate the LSP to an alternative PCE. > > So, I am not sure that the "orphan" flag would be useful to the PCE, at least not for the purpose that you describe. > > Best regards > Jon > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Itskovich > Sent: 04 January 2017 20:08 > To: pce@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Pce] draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp > > > I suggest to add indication that PCE Initiated LSP is orphan to LSP object in PCReport message. This information will be useful in facilitating takeover of an orphan LSP by redundant PCE server. > > Option 1) Adding bit to the LSP flags (L-bit "parentless/orphan") that will be set in the LSP object of the PCReport message sent when PCE Initiated LSP becomes orphan as result of connection loss to the PCE server that initiated this LSP or because such PCE server returns LSP delegation to the PCC to initiate transfer of LSP "ownership" to another PCE server. > > Option 2) Adding bit to the LSP flags (D2-bit ) that is set when such LSP is delegated to any PCE server. In this option PCE receiving report will be able to derive when PCE Initiated LSP is in orphan state when C flag in the report is set and the new D2-bit is not set. > > > This proposal (regardless which option 1 or 2 is used ) alows PCC to propagate "orphan" state for the PCE initiated LSP to all PCE servers. > It will help to trigger takeover of a PCE initiated LSP. The existing alternative is to rely on the PCE server to server communication for detection of such events which is prone to errors. > > For example: > > - loss of communication between PCE-A and PCE-B may be interpreted as "takeover" trigger which is not necessarily true as PCE-A<->PCC connection may still be up. > - In case where PCE-A <-> PCC connection is down and both PCC <-> PCE-B and PCE-A <-> PCE-B connections are up we will need each PCE server to distribute information about connection with it's clients to all peers > > The suggestion frees PCE server from the need to propagate it's client connection status to all other PCE servers. > > Let me know what you think > > Thanks > Aaron > > _______________________________________________ > Pce mailing list > Pce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce From nobody Fri Jan 6 01:21:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F7512940E; Fri, 6 Jan 2017 01:21:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UnhOXV84ktj3; Fri, 6 Jan 2017 01:21:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wm0-x22e.google.com (mail-wm0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19AB7129AE6; Fri, 6 Jan 2017 01:21:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wm0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id c85so17784540wmi.1; Fri, 06 Jan 2017 01:21:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=g3LFtGv8lRlcog/HJufzWVVjregbluVDz4VDsOb4agw=; b=BpQYt9SXi/IKAhTBqywmOfPCAhh7Y3D8zC+19zkIYDoUYlU9H8i8SOETwrajndvVMt PnPvsY8bz4ubEgJdAjfnLnu+e7We+ITE3k5IcRV5vc+4MAIMhijbH6NxkOu/sCklmAL4 0PwlKsDUB3KY9SrIL5qtPnpA3ID+Xc8/tJi2WZ/qh0mEDIUURwO118vbzKlVJaRpDTVx i4y4I//suXJmUxJzUJRA2r7wXgcwpnlxX3imajKLl/mz4TKgHaRlsuGCtFkqyCNA5n0g AYFBtAhSB8hn8YFi4+ndw0+MfneNAIZdUGTngpuh/tW3JJgEgX4Gc2qZ2L2+OR+GPNRm +HdQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=g3LFtGv8lRlcog/HJufzWVVjregbluVDz4VDsOb4agw=; b=fJAsdOUvOv1So7h1BKXR7F/BrqvRdC0ywxEjKf4Qf9lXbcUmCkROXYaSukawgXTk9w j5roIqI4ZM37zFVxufHXCdAbB7EvLiJW3w8M6Qb6faeOZz1GnoCynXCCk9bSVBBUTCSa lMcg2b+Kam8fcp1oYBwfL7WLp7xzmWMccgGAU2xbsJMOLAO7HVqwmEivOHF93F6u7Sn3 xrfOQxafi13OQS2I7oJ0AW6QSAO65fg+BMxqALDM1l2xpGoJ5Qmui6zOgdoVG0G+sK/y /L+m4YbQlyTqU5QoIx3HzD6YU5oCL01xO6PhLQbLi4gEiFIPlTxnSWsWfRt/T2Hymj6K iHxA== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXIecrxwGRhFC/0aPQpBfVl0KEhHCVoGSjCEXL/i+1taCffoEedzZj6eXIdKJ7VzVhV+kyFFsPccV4oIlw== X-Received: by 10.28.31.23 with SMTP id f23mr2973200wmf.94.1483694462539; Fri, 06 Jan 2017 01:21:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.139.198 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Jan 2017 01:21:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Dhruv Dhody Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 14:51:01 +0530 Message-ID: To: Jonathan Hardwick Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114b41a0651df905456989a8 Archived-At: Cc: "draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth@ietf.org" , "pce@ietf.org" , "pce-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pce] Poll for adoption: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-09 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 09:21:06 -0000 --001a114b41a0651df905456989a8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes/Support. Regards, Dhruv (as co-author) On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 8:54 PM, Jonathan Hardwick < Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com> wrote: > All, > > > > This is start of a two week poll on making draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-a= uto-bandwidth-09 > a PCE working group document. > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dhody-pce-stateful- > pce-auto-bandwidth/ > > > > Please review the draft and send an email to the list indicating > =E2=80=9Cyes/support=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cno/do not support=E2=80=9D. If= indicating no, please state your > reasons. If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd like to > see addressed once the document is a WG document. > > > > The poll ends on Thursday January 19. > > > > Thanks, > > Jon, JP and Julien > > > --001a114b41a0651df905456989a8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Regards,
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On Thu, = Jan 5, 2017 at 8:54 PM, Jonathan Hardwick <Jonathan.Hardwic= k@metaswitch.com> wrote:

All,

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This is start of a two week= poll on making draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-09 a PCE w= orking group document.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dhody-pce-stateful-p= ce-auto-bandwidth/

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Please review the draft and= send an email to the list indicating =E2=80=9Cyes/support=E2=80=9D or =E2= =80=9Cno/do not support=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 If indicating no, please state your= reasons.=C2=A0 If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd= like to see addressed once the document is a WG document.

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Thanks,

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Yes/Support.

 

Regards,

Udayasree

 

From: Jonathan= Hardwick [mailto:Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com]
Sent: 2017=C4=EA1=D4=C25<= span lang=3D"ZH-CN" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:SimSun">=C8=D5 20:54
To: pce@ietf.org
Cc: pce-chairs@ietf.org; draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth= @ietf.org
Subject: Poll for adoption: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwi= dth-09

 

All,

 

This is start of a two week = poll on making draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-09 a PCE working= group document.

https://datat= racker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth/

 

Please review the draft and = send an email to the list indicating =A1=B0yes/support=A1=B1 or =A1=B0no/do= not support=A1=B1.  If indicating no, please state your reasons. = ; If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd like to see addressed once the document is a WG document.

 

The poll ends on Thursday Ja= nuary 19.

 

Thanks,

Jon, JP and Julien

 

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RFC 8051 Title: Applicability of a Stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) Author: X. Zhang, Ed., I. Minei, Ed. Status: Informational Stream: IETF Date: January 2017 Mailbox: zhang.xian@huawei.com, inaminei@google.com Pages: 24 Characters: 58011 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-app-08.txt URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8051 DOI: 10.17487/RFC8051 A stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) maintains information about Label Switched Path (LSP) characteristics and resource usage within a network in order to provide traffic-engineering calculations for its associated Path Computation Clients (PCCs). This document describes general considerations for a stateful PCE deployment and examines its applicability and benefits, as well as its challenges and limitations, through a number of use cases. PCE Communication Protocol (PCEP) extensions required for stateful PCE usage are covered in separate documents. 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Thanks, Rakesh On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Jonathan Hardwick < Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com> wrote: > All, > > > > This is start of a two week poll on making draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-a= uto-bandwidth-09 > a PCE working group document. > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pc > e-auto-bandwidth/ > > > > Please review the draft and send an email to the list indicating > =E2=80=9Cyes/support=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cno/do not support=E2=80=9D. If= indicating no, please state your > reasons. If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd like to > see addressed once the document is a WG document. > > > > The poll ends on Thursday January 19. > > > > Thanks, > > Jon, JP and Julien > > > --001a11448384bb485c0545747ebe Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

Yes/support (as a co-author).

=
Thanks,
Rakesh


On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 10:2= 4 AM, Jonathan Hardwick <Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.= com> wrote:

All,

=C2=A0

This is start of a two week poll on making draft-dhody-pce-s= tateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-09 a PCE working group document.<= /u>

https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth/<= /u>

=C2=A0

Please review the draft and send an email to the list indica= ting =E2=80=9Cyes/support=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cno/do not support=E2=80=9D.= =C2=A0 If indicating no, please state your reasons.=C2=A0 If yes, please al= so feel free to provide comments you'd like to see addressed once the document is a WG document.

=C2=A0

The poll ends on Thursday January 19.

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Jon, JP and Julien

=C2=A0


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comment. As you point out, the current I-D has taken a timer-based approach: - while State Timeout is not expired, decision is at the PCE level, any PCE with ID knowledge may claim control (not necessarily granted); - once State Timeout is expired, the PCC gets the decision. What you are proposing could be a valuable enhancement, but at this stage we would prefer to send this version that has been there and implemented for a while. As a result, your proposal would deserve a new extension draft, focusing on take-over negotiation, which could be discussed with the WG. Please feel free to proceed. Best regards, Julien Jan. 05, 2017 - aitskovi@cisco.com: > Hi Jon, > > Thanks for your reply. > My interpretation of the following section of the existing > draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp is > that PCC cannot just re-delegate PCE initiated LSP to a PCE. > > > > In case of PCEP session failure, control over PCE-initiated LSPs > reverts to the PCC at the expiration of the redelegation timeout. At > this point, the LSP is an "orphan" until the expiration of the State > Timeout timer. To obtain control of a PCE-initiated LSP, a PCE > (either the original or one of its backups) sends a PCInitiate > message, including just the SRP and LSP objects, and carrying the > PLSP-ID of the LSP it wants to take control of. Receipt of a > PCInitiate message with a non-zero PLSP-ID normally results in the > generation of a PCErr. If the LSP is an orphan, the PCC MUST NOT > generate an error and MUST redelegate the LSP to the PCE. The State > Timeout timer for the LSP is stopped upon the re-delegation. > > > I read it as PCC is not free to delegate PCE initiated LSP even in > orphan state, > it rather waits (using State Timer) for other PCE server to "adopt" such > "orphan" LSP. > This behavior is different for the PCE initiated LSPs vs PCC initiated > LSPs. > Hence my suggestion was a mechanism that will help redundant PCE servers to > discover PCE initiated LSPs that enter "orphan" state and trigger > "adoption" > process which is different then the just re-delegation. > > Thanks > Aaron > > > On 2017-01-05 11:25 AM, Jonathan Hardwick wrote: >> Hi Aaron >> >> Thanks for the comment. There are no procedures defined that would >> allow a PCE to initiate a take-over of an LSP from a PCC. Rather, the >> PCC must delegate the LSP to an appropriate PCE (if the LSP is >> initiated by a PCE then it must initially be delegated to that PCE). >> The cases you mention would be resolved by the PCC making a local >> decision whether or not to re-delegate the LSP to an alternative PCE. >> >> So, I am not sure that the "orphan" flag would be useful to the PCE, >> at least not for the purpose that you describe. >> >> Best regards >> Jon >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Itskovich >> Sent: 04 January 2017 20:08 >> To: pce@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [Pce] draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp >> >> >> I suggest to add indication that PCE Initiated LSP is orphan to LSP >> object in PCReport message. This information will be useful in >> facilitating takeover of an orphan LSP by redundant PCE server. >> >> Option 1) Adding bit to the LSP flags (L-bit "parentless/orphan") that >> will be set in the LSP object of the PCReport message sent when PCE >> Initiated LSP becomes orphan as result of connection loss to the PCE >> server that initiated this LSP or because such PCE server returns LSP >> delegation to the PCC to initiate transfer of LSP "ownership" to >> another PCE server. >> >> Option 2) Adding bit to the LSP flags (D2-bit ) that is set when such >> LSP is delegated to any PCE server. In this option PCE receiving >> report will be able to derive when PCE Initiated LSP is in orphan >> state when C flag in the report is set and the new D2-bit is not set. >> >> >> This proposal (regardless which option 1 or 2 is used ) alows PCC to >> propagate "orphan" state for the PCE initiated LSP to all PCE servers. >> It will help to trigger takeover of a PCE initiated LSP. The existing >> alternative is to rely on the PCE server to server communication for >> detection of such events which is prone to errors. >> >> For example: >> >> - loss of communication between PCE-A and PCE-B may be >> interpreted as "takeover" trigger which is not necessarily true as >> PCE-A<->PCC connection may still be up. >> - In case where PCE-A <-> PCC connection is down and both PCC >> <-> PCE-B and PCE-A <-> PCE-B connections are up we will need each >> PCE server to distribute information about connection with it's >> clients to all peers >> >> The suggestion frees PCE server from the need to propagate it's client >> connection status to all other PCE servers. >> >> Let me know what you think >> >> Thanks >> Aaron >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pce mailing list >> Pce@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce > > _______________________________________________ > Pce mailing list > Pce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce > From nobody Mon Jan 9 05:45:45 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F68C12949D for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: metaswitch.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 09 Jan 2017 13:45:40.0997 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 9d9e56eb-f613-4ddb-b27b-bfcdf14b2cdb X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BY2PR0201MB1911 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2017 13:45:44 -0000 Hi Aaron Thanks. So actually, I need to backtrack and agree that there is a mechani= sm defined for a backup PCE to request that an orphaned LSP is delegated to= it - I had missed that. I am not sure that this implies that the PCC cannot re-delegate of its own = free will. It would be useful to have that clarified in the draft. However, given this mechanism exists, it does raise the question about how = PCEs should properly cooperate in terms of how orphaned LSPs are detected a= nd who should request ownership. I know that there is work ongoing in the = following draft which discusses co-operation between redundant PCEs. I am = not sure whether your idea is best discussed in the context of that draft o= r in draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp. Perhaps the authors could chime in? https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-litkowski-pce-state-sync-00.txt Best regards Jon -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Itskovich [mailto:aitskovi@cisco.com]=20 Sent: 05 January 2017 19:30 To: Jonathan Hardwick ; pce@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pce] draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp Hi Jon, Thanks for your reply. My interpretation of the following section of the existing draft-ietf-pce-p= ce-initiated-lsp is that PCC cannot just re-delegate PCE initiated LSP to a= PCE. In case of PCEP session failure, control over PCE-initiated LSPs reverts to the PCC at the expiration of the redelegation timeout. At this point, the LSP is an "orphan" until the expiration of the State Timeout timer. To obtain control of a PCE-initiated LSP, a PCE (either the original or one of its backups) sends a PCInitiate message, including just the SRP and LSP objects, and carrying the PLSP-ID of the LSP it wants to take control of. Receipt of a PCInitiate message with a non-zero PLSP-ID normally results in the generation of a PCErr. If the LSP is an orphan, the PCC MUST NOT generate an error and MUST redelegate the LSP to the PCE. The State Timeout timer for the LSP is stopped upon the re-delegation. I read it as PCC is not free to delegate PCE initiated LSP even in orphan s= tate, it rather waits (using State Timer) for other PCE server to "adopt" s= uch "orphan" LSP. This behavior is different for the PCE initiated LSPs vs PCC initiated LSPs= . Hence my suggestion was a mechanism that will help redundant PCE servers to= discover PCE initiated LSPs that enter "orphan" state and trigger "adoptio= n" process which is different then the just re-delegation. Thanks Aaron On 2017-01-05 11:25 AM, Jonathan Hardwick wrote: > Hi Aaron > > Thanks for the comment. There are no procedures defined that would allow= a PCE to initiate a take-over of an LSP from a PCC. Rather, the PCC must = delegate the LSP to an appropriate PCE (if the LSP is initiated by a PCE th= en it must initially be delegated to that PCE). The cases you mention woul= d be resolved by the PCC making a local decision whether or not to re-deleg= ate the LSP to an alternative PCE. > > So, I am not sure that the "orphan" flag would be useful to the PCE, at l= east not for the purpose that you describe. > > Best regards > Jon > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Itskovich > Sent: 04 January 2017 20:08 > To: pce@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Pce] draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp > > > I suggest to add indication that PCE Initiated LSP is orphan to LSP objec= t in PCReport message. This information will be useful in facilitating take= over of an orphan LSP by redundant PCE server. > > Option 1) Adding bit to the LSP flags (L-bit "parentless/orphan") that wi= ll be set in the LSP object of the PCReport message sent when PCE Initiated= LSP becomes orphan as result of connection loss to the PCE server that ini= tiated this LSP or because such PCE server returns LSP delegation to the PC= C to initiate transfer of LSP "ownership" to another PCE server. > > Option 2) Adding bit to the LSP flags (D2-bit ) that is set when such LSP= is delegated to any PCE server. In this option PCE receiving report will b= e able to derive when PCE Initiated LSP is in orphan state when C flag in t= he report is set and the new D2-bit is not set. > > > This proposal (regardless which option 1 or 2 is used ) alows PCC to prop= agate "orphan" state for the PCE initiated LSP to all PCE servers. > It will help to trigger takeover of a PCE initiated LSP. The existing alt= ernative is to rely on the PCE server to server communication for detection= of such events which is prone to errors. > > For example: > > - loss of communication between PCE-A and PCE-B may be interpreted = as "takeover" trigger which is not necessarily true as PCE-A<->PCC connecti= on may still be up. > - In case where PCE-A <-> PCC connection is down and both PCC=20 > <-> PCE-B and PCE-A <-> PCE-B connections are up we will need each=20 > PCE server to distribute information about connection with it's=20 > clients to all peers > > The suggestion frees PCE server from the need to propagate it's client co= nnection status to all other PCE servers. > > Let me know what you think > > Thanks > Aaron > > _______________________________________________ > Pce mailing list > Pce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce From nobody Mon Jan 9 08:13:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FC331296B0 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 08:13:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.733 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.733 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tWew8vQFvL9D for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 08:13:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from r-mail2.rd.orange.com (r-mail2.rd.orange.com [217.108.152.42]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EF261296BE for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 08:13:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from r-mail2.rd.orange.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 4F2335D8A67; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 17:13:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from FTRDCH01.rd.francetelecom.fr (unknown [10.194.32.11]) by r-mail2.rd.orange.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45BBD5D8994; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 17:13:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.193.71.173] (10.193.71.173) by FTRDCH01.rd.francetelecom.fr (10.194.32.11) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.3.319.2; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 17:13:05 +0100 To: Jonathan Hardwick , Aaron Itskovich , "pce@ietf.org" , Cyril Margaria References: <6abff8b0-3b68-c17c-dfaf-3e636292ed3b@cisco.com> From: Julien Meuric Organization: Orange Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 17:13:05 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2017 16:13:14 -0000 Hi, This topic was tackled a while ago in the context of draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/pce/wn4gGwZnTZS53pbyg1eCHw3YMVE It looks like the I-D would benefit from clarification on this matter before sending it to the IESG. Authors, what to do you think? Aaron (Cyril?), while keeping feature extensions for another document (cf. Dhruv's proposal), would you have some clarification text to propose here? Thanks, Julien Jan. 09, 2017 - Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com: > Hi Aaron > > Thanks. So actually, I need to backtrack and agree that there is a mechanism defined for a backup PCE to request that an orphaned LSP is delegated to it - I had missed that. > > I am not sure that this implies that the PCC cannot re-delegate of its own free will. It would be useful to have that clarified in the draft. > > However, given this mechanism exists, it does raise the question about how PCEs should properly cooperate in terms of how orphaned LSPs are detected and who should request ownership. I know that there is work ongoing in the following draft which discusses co-operation between redundant PCEs. I am not sure whether your idea is best discussed in the context of that draft or in draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp. Perhaps the authors could chime in? > https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-litkowski-pce-state-sync-00.txt > > Best regards > Jon > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Aaron Itskovich [mailto:aitskovi@cisco.com] > Sent: 05 January 2017 19:30 > > Hi Jon, > > Thanks for your reply. > My interpretation of the following section of the existing draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp is that PCC cannot just re-delegate PCE initiated LSP to a PCE. > > > > In case of PCEP session failure, control over PCE-initiated LSPs > reverts to the PCC at the expiration of the redelegation timeout. At > this point, the LSP is an "orphan" until the expiration of the State > Timeout timer. To obtain control of a PCE-initiated LSP, a PCE > (either the original or one of its backups) sends a PCInitiate > message, including just the SRP and LSP objects, and carrying the > PLSP-ID of the LSP it wants to take control of. Receipt of a > PCInitiate message with a non-zero PLSP-ID normally results in the > generation of a PCErr. If the LSP is an orphan, the PCC MUST NOT > generate an error and MUST redelegate the LSP to the PCE. The State > Timeout timer for the LSP is stopped upon the re-delegation. > > > I read it as PCC is not free to delegate PCE initiated LSP even in orphan state, it rather waits (using State Timer) for other PCE server to "adopt" such "orphan" LSP. > This behavior is different for the PCE initiated LSPs vs PCC initiated LSPs. > Hence my suggestion was a mechanism that will help redundant PCE servers to discover PCE initiated LSPs that enter "orphan" state and trigger "adoption" > process which is different then the just re-delegation. > > Thanks > Aaron > > > On 2017-01-05 11:25 AM, Jonathan Hardwick wrote: >> Hi Aaron >> >> Thanks for the comment. There are no procedures defined that would allow a PCE to initiate a take-over of an LSP from a PCC. Rather, the PCC must delegate the LSP to an appropriate PCE (if the LSP is initiated by a PCE then it must initially be delegated to that PCE). The cases you mention would be resolved by the PCC making a local decision whether or not to re-delegate the LSP to an alternative PCE. >> >> So, I am not sure that the "orphan" flag would be useful to the PCE, at least not for the purpose that you describe. >> >> Best regards >> Jon >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Itskovich >> Sent: 04 January 2017 20:08 >> To: pce@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [Pce] draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp >> >> >> I suggest to add indication that PCE Initiated LSP is orphan to LSP object in PCReport message. This information will be useful in facilitating takeover of an orphan LSP by redundant PCE server. >> >> Option 1) Adding bit to the LSP flags (L-bit "parentless/orphan") that will be set in the LSP object of the PCReport message sent when PCE Initiated LSP becomes orphan as result of connection loss to the PCE server that initiated this LSP or because such PCE server returns LSP delegation to the PCC to initiate transfer of LSP "ownership" to another PCE server. >> >> Option 2) Adding bit to the LSP flags (D2-bit ) that is set when such LSP is delegated to any PCE server. In this option PCE receiving report will be able to derive when PCE Initiated LSP is in orphan state when C flag in the report is set and the new D2-bit is not set. >> >> >> This proposal (regardless which option 1 or 2 is used ) alows PCC to propagate "orphan" state for the PCE initiated LSP to all PCE servers. >> It will help to trigger takeover of a PCE initiated LSP. The existing alternative is to rely on the PCE server to server communication for detection of such events which is prone to errors. >> >> For example: >> >> - loss of communication between PCE-A and PCE-B may be interpreted as "takeover" trigger which is not necessarily true as PCE-A<->PCC connection may still be up. >> - In case where PCE-A <-> PCC connection is down and both PCC >> <-> PCE-B and PCE-A <-> PCE-B connections are up we will need each >> PCE server to distribute information about connection with it's >> clients to all peers >> >> The suggestion frees PCE server from the need to propagate it's client connection status to all other PCE servers. >> >> Let me know what you think >> >> Thanks >> Aaron >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pce mailing list >> Pce@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce > > From nobody Mon Jan 9 16:34:02 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 601DB129462; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 16:34:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.40.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148400844038.24931.7516482960665722388.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2017 16:34:00 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-association-group-02.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 00:34:00 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element of the IETF. Title : PCEP Extensions for Establishing Relationships Between Sets of LSPs Authors : Ina Minei Edward Crabbe Siva Sivabalan Hariharan Ananthakrishnan Xian Zhang Yosuke Tanaka Filename : draft-ietf-pce-association-group-02.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2017-01-09 Abstract: This document introduces a generic mechanism to create a grouping of LSPs in the context of a PCE. This grouping can then be used to define associations between sets of LSPs or between a set of LSPs and a set of attributes (such as configuration parameters or behaviors), and is equally applicable to the active and passive modes of a stateful PCE as well as a stateless PCE. 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Y= es/Support.

<= o:p> 

T= hanks,

H= imanshu

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From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On= Behalf Of Jonathan Hardwick
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 10:24 AM
To: pce@ietf.org
Cc: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth@ietf.org; pce-chairs= @ietf.org
Subject: [Pce] Poll for adoption: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-= bandwidth-09

 

All,

 

This is start of a two week = poll on making draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-09 a PCE working= group document.

https://datat= racker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth/

 

Please review the draft and = send an email to the list indicating “yes/support” or “no= /do not support”.  If indicating no, please state your reasons.&= nbsp; If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd like to see addressed once the document is a WG document.

 

The poll ends on Thursday Ja= nuary 19.

 

Thanks,

Jon, JP and Julien

 

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If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd like to see a= ddressed once the document is a WG document. =20 The poll ends on Thursday January 19. =20 Thanks, Jon, JP and Julien =20 _______________________________________________ Pce mailing list Pce@ietf.o= rg https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce=20 --B_3566891795_2016304480 Content-type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Yes/support.=C2=A0

 

Phil

 

From: Pce <pce-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Jonathan Hardwi= ck <Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com>
Date: Thursday, Januar= y 5, 2017 at 10:24
To: "pce@ietf.org" <pce@ietf.org&g= t;
Cc: "draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth@ietf.org&= quot; <draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth@ietf.org>, "pc= e-chairs@ietf.org" <pce-chairs@ietf.org>
Subject: [Pce]= Poll for adoption: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-09

 

All,

 

This= is start of a two week poll on making draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-ban= dwidth-09 a PCE working group document.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-= dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth/

 

Please review the draft and send an email to the list in= dicating “yes/support” or “no/do not support”.  = ;If indicating no, please state your reasons.  If yes, please also feel= free to provide comments you'd like to see addressed once the document is a= WG document.

&= nbsp;

The poll = ends on Thursday January 19.

 

Thanks,

J= on, JP and Julien

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--B_3566891795_2016304480-- From nobody Tue Jan 10 08:40:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68284129532; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 08:40:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.418 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.418 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HK_RANDOM_ENVFROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fy5WpN3sQEY3; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 08:40:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 812D4129500; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 08:40:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id CYO11187; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 16:40:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from DFWEML701-CAH.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.175) by lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.130) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.301.0; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 16:40:42 +0000 Received: from DFWEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.178]) by dfweml701-cah.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.175]) with mapi id 14.03.0301.000; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 08:40:24 -0800 From: Leeyoung To: Jonathan Hardwick , "pce@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Pce] Poll for adoption: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-09 Thread-Index: AdJnZ5Q70JvzTR/tS1eyDhyWcO0DJQD+KFNA Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 16:40:23 +0000 Message-ID: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E172A8EDC24@dfweml501-mbx> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.218.137.165] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E172A8EDC24dfweml501mbx_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A090205.58750E8B.00F4, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: f68355c07288afdbcadd6c15ed319cc3 Archived-At: Cc: "draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth@ietf.org" , "pce-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pce] Poll for adoption: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-09 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 16:40:48 -0000 --_000_7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E172A8EDC24dfweml501mbx_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes/Support, Young From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hardwick Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 9:24 AM To: pce@ietf.org Cc: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth@ietf.org; pce-chairs@ietf.o= rg Subject: [Pce] Poll for adoption: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwid= th-09 All, This is start of a two week poll on making draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-aut= o-bandwidth-09 a PCE working group document. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidt= h/ Please review the draft and send an email to the list indicating "yes/suppo= rt" or "no/do not support". If indicating no, please state your reasons. = If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd like to see address= ed once the document is a WG document. The poll ends on Thursday January 19. Thanks, Jon, JP and Julien --_000_7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E172A8EDC24dfweml501mbx_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes/Support,

 

Young

 

From: Pce [mai= lto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hardwick
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 9:24 AM
To: pce@ietf.org
Cc: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth@ietf.org; pce-chairs= @ietf.org
Subject: [Pce] Poll for adoption: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-= bandwidth-09

 

All,

 

This is start of a two week = poll on making draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-09 a PCE working= group document.

https://datat= racker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth/

 

Please review the draft and = send an email to the list indicating “yes/support” or “no= /do not support”.  If indicating no, please state your reasons.&= nbsp; If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd like to see addressed once the document is a WG document.

 

The poll ends on Thursday Ja= nuary 19.

 

Thanks,

Jon, JP and Julien

 

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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3566888780_1284324153 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Yes/support =20 =20 Cheers, Jeff =20 =20 From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hardwick Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 9:24 AM To: pce@ietf.org Cc: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth@ietf.org; pce-chairs@ietf.o= rg Subject: [Pce] Poll for adoption: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwid= th-09 =20 All, =20 This is start of a two week poll on making draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-aut= o-bandwidth-09 a PCE working group document. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidt= h/ =20 Please review the draft and send an email to the list indicating =E2=80=9Cyes/sup= port=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cno/do not support=E2=80=9D. If indicating no, please state your rea= sons. If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd like to see a= ddressed once the document is a WG document. =20 The poll ends on Thursday January 19. =20 Thanks, Jon, JP and Julien =20 --B_3566888780_1284324153 Content-type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Yes/support

 

 

= Cheers,

Jeff

 

 

From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jonath= an Hardwick
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 9:24 AM
To:= pce@ietf.org
Cc: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth@ietf= .org; pce-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [Pce] Poll for adoption: draft-= dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-09

 

All,

 

This is start of a = two week poll on making draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-09 a PCE= working group document.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dhody-pce-statef= ul-pce-auto-bandwidth/

 

Please review the draft and send an email to the list indicating “ye= s/support” or “no/do not support”.  If indicating no,= please state your reasons.  If yes, please also feel free to provide c= omments you'd like to see addressed once the document is a WG document.

 

The poll ends on Thursday Jan= uary 19.

 <= /span>

Thanks,

Jon, JP and Julien

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes/support Daniele From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hardwick Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 9:24 AM To: pce@ietf.org Cc: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth@ietf.org; pce-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] Poll for adoption: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwid= th-09 All, This is start of a two week poll on making draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-aut= o-bandwidth-09 a PCE working group document. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidt= h/ Please review the draft and send an email to the list indicating "yes/suppo= rt" or "no/do not support". If indicating no, please state your reasons. = If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd like to see address= ed once the document is a WG document. The poll ends on Thursday January 19. Thanks, Jon, JP and Julien --_000_AM2PR07MB099433B9E99ABE6000DD64BAF0660AM2PR07MB0994eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes/support

 

Daniele 

 

&n= bsp;

From: Pc= e [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hardwick
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 9:24 AM
To: pce@ietf.org
Cc: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth@ietf.org; pce-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [Pce] Poll for adoption: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-= bandwidth-09

 

All,

 

This is start of a two week = poll on making draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-09 a PCE working= group document.

https://datat= racker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth/

 

Please review the draft and = send an email to the list indicating “yes/support” or “no= /do not support”.  If indicating no, please state your reasons.&= nbsp; If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd like to see addressed once the document is a WG document.

 

The poll ends on Thursday Ja= nuary 19.

 

Thanks,

Jon, JP and Julien

 

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Yes/Support.

 

Best wishes,

Haomian

 

=B7=A2= =BC=FE=C8=CB: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED Jonathan= Hardwick
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=D6=F7=CC=E2: [Pce] Poll for adoption: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-09

 

All,

 

This is start of a two week = poll on making draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-09 a PCE working= group document.

https://datat= racker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth/

 

Please review the draft and = send an email to the list indicating =A1=B0yes/support=A1=B1 or =A1=B0no/do= not support=A1=B1.  If indicating no, please state your reasons. = ; If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd like to see addressed once the document is a WG document.

 

The poll ends on Thursday Ja= nuary 19.

 

Thanks,

Jon, JP and Julien

 

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From: Olivier Dugeon Organization: Orange Labs Message-ID: <3509d46e-b86d-6305-e050-57685b9da75f@orange.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 16:13:40 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------6A225938DDB2F4BECB1BD41D" Archived-At: Cc: "draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity@ietf.org" , "pce-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pce] Poll for adoption: draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 15:13:46 -0000 --------------6A225938DDB2F4BECB1BD41D Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes/support Olivier Le 11/01/2017 =C3=A0 14:44, Jonathan Hardwick a =C3=A9crit : > > This is start of a two week poll on making draft-litkowski-pce-associat= ion-diversity-01 a PCE working group document. > > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity-01.tx= t > > =20 > > Please review the draft and send an email to the list indicating =E2=80= =9Cyes/support=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cno/do not support=E2=80=9D. If indic= ating no, please state your reasons. If yes, please also feel free to pr= ovide comments you'd like to see addressed once the document is a WG docu= ment. > > =20 > > The poll ends on Wednesday January 25. > > =20 > > Thanks, > > Jon, JP and Julien > > =20 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pce mailing list > Pce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce --------------6A225938DDB2F4BECB1BD41D Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes/support

Olivier


Le 11/01/2017 =C3=A0 14:44, Jonathan Hardwick a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:

This is start of a two week poll on making= draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity-01 a PCE working group document.

https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversit= y-01.txt

=C2=A0

Please review the draft and send an email to the list indicating =E2=80=9Cyes/support=E2=80=9D or =E2= =80=9Cno/do not support=E2=80=9D. =C2=A0If indicating no, please state your rea= sons.=C2=A0 If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd like to see addressed once the document is a WG document.

=C2=A0

The poll ends on Wednesday January 25.<= o:p>

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Jon, JP and Julien

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Yes/Support

On 11 January 2017 at 10:13, Olivier Dugeon <oliv= ier.dugeon@orange.com> wrote:
=20 =20 =20

Yes/support

Olivier


Le 11/01/2017 =C3= =A0 14:44, Jonathan Hardwick a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
=20 =20 =20

This is start of a two week poll on making draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity-01 a PCE working group document.

https://www.ietf= .org/id/draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity-01.txt

=C2=A0

Please review the dr= aft and send an email to the list indicating =E2=80=9Cyes/support=E2=80=9D or =E2= =80=9Cno/do not support=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 If indicating no, please state your reaso= ns.=C2=A0 If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd like to see addressed once the document is a WG document.

=C2=A0=

The poll ends on Wed= nesday January 25.

=C2=A0=

Thanks,

Jon, JP and Julien

=C2=A0



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--001a11487ff454bf4f0545d565a9-- From nobody Wed Jan 11 10:10:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 050901294E3; Wed, 11 Jan 2017 10:10:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -17.72 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-17.72 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ajZubAZZ-qs7; Wed, 11 Jan 2017 10:10:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com [173.37.86.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D01F129698; Wed, 11 Jan 2017 10:10:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=5762; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1484158200; x=1485367800; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=6Up3WFlgGYPim9zo5pOr2flPRyVBxczajToARIim8HM=; b=Dv7toFXD/3NzSU06glVUI2RJyOLxeTfUJyebm47G5B4DF/360+PadX3J zNKUgSd3nttZ8FB4BnfNOhza2/QCfToz3pQ5bR1n2xeh/k5fq+jb6dExc npJ/2YwIyMooPtith30y/peoC68JZ+eoiv7xYw8ImgVgzyjZOBZZsYn1e I=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0AZAQCcdHZY/5BdJa1dGQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBBwEBAQEBgnFKAQEBAQEfX4ENB41QkhOPfIUrggsshXYCggQ/FAECAQEBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAWMohGkBAQEELUwQAgEIEQQBASgHMhQJCAEBBAENBQiIeA6zFYoUAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBGAWLJoQYEQFShTAFlSaGBAGRSYIAhQyILYE1kmABHzh?= =?us-ascii?q?wURU6hi9zAYY3gSEBgQwBAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.33,346,1477958400"; d="scan'208,217";a="191278064" Received: from rcdn-core-8.cisco.com ([173.37.93.144]) by rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 11 Jan 2017 18:09:48 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-010.cisco.com (xch-aln-010.cisco.com [173.36.7.20]) by rcdn-core-8.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v0BI9mwT017198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Jan 2017 18:09:48 GMT Received: from xch-aln-011.cisco.com (173.36.7.21) by XCH-ALN-010.cisco.com (173.36.7.20) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Wed, 11 Jan 2017 12:09:47 -0600 Received: from xch-aln-011.cisco.com ([173.36.7.21]) by XCH-ALN-011.cisco.com ([173.36.7.21]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Wed, 11 Jan 2017 12:09:47 -0600 From: "Siva Sivabalan (msiva)" To: Jonathan Hardwick , "pce@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Poll for adoption: draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity Thread-Index: AdJsEC6GK+BxyT7iTTGAvLi/Px5JVgAJNySg Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 18:09:47 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [161.44.213.115] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_f1b9bd65dfdf4fbf81301656eaa8dea8XCHALN011ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity@ietf.org" , "pce-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pce] Poll for adoption: draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 18:10:02 -0000 --_000_f1b9bd65dfdf4fbf81301656eaa8dea8XCHALN011ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support. From: Jonathan Hardwick [mailto:Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 8:45 AM To: pce@ietf.org Cc: pce-chairs@ietf.org; draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity@ietf.org Subject: Poll for adoption: draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity This is start of a two week poll on making draft-litkowski-pce-association-= diversity-01 a PCE working group document. https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity-01.txt Please review the draft and send an email to the list indicating "yes/suppo= rt" or "no/do not support". If indicating no, please state your reasons. = If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd like to see address= ed once the document is a WG document. The poll ends on Wednesday January 25. Thanks, Jon, JP and Julien --_000_f1b9bd65dfdf4fbf81301656eaa8dea8XCHALN011ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Support.

 

From: Jonathan Hardwick [mailto:Jonathan.Hard= wick@metaswitch.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 8:45 AM
To: pce@ietf.org
Cc: pce-chairs@ietf.org; draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity@i= etf.org
Subject: Poll for adoption: draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversit= y

 

This is start of a two week pol= l on making draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity-01 a PCE working grou= p document.

https://www.ietf.org/= id/draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity-01.txt

 

Please review the draft and = send an email to the list indicating “yes/support” or “no= /do not support”.  If indicating no, please state your reasons.&= nbsp; If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd like to see addressed once the document is a WG document.

 

The poll ends on Wednesday J= anuary 25.

 

Thanks,

Jon, JP and Julien

 

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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3566974291_967120537 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable yes/support =20 =20 Cheers, Jeff =20 From: Jonathan Hardwick [mailto:Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 8:45 AM To: pce@ietf.org Cc: pce-chairs@ietf.org; draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity@ietf.org Subject: Poll for adoption: draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity =20 This is start of a two week poll on making draft-litkowski-pce-association-= diversity-01 a PCE working group document. https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity-01.txt =20 Please review the draft and send an email to the list indicating =E2=80=9Cyes/sup= port=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cno/do not support=E2=80=9D. If indicating no, please state your rea= sons. If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd like to see a= ddressed once the document is a WG document. =20 The poll ends on Wednesday January 25. =20 Thanks, Jon, JP and Julien =20 _______________________________________________ Pce mailing list Pce@ietf.o= rg https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce=20 --B_3566974291_967120537 Content-type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

yes/support

 

 

= Cheers,

Jeff

 

From: Jonathan Hardwick [m= ailto:Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January = 11, 2017 8:45 AM
To: pce@ietf.org
Cc: pce-chairs@ietf.or= g; draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity@ietf.org
Subject: Pol= l for adoption: draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity

 

This is start of a two week poll on making draft-litkowski-pce-assoc= iation-diversity-01 a PCE working group document.

https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-litkowsk= i-pce-association-diversity-01.txt

 

Please review the draft and send an email to the list indicating = “yes/support” or “no/do not support”.  If indic= ating no, please state your reasons.  If yes, please also feel free to = provide comments you'd like to see addressed once the document is a WG docum= ent.

 

The poll ends on Wed= nesday January 25.

 

Thanks= ,

Jon, JP and Ju= lien

 <= o:p>

_______________________________________________ Pce mailin= g list Pce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce

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msiva@cisco.com

Tel: +1 613 254 3782

Cisco Systems, Inc.=

2000 Innovation Drive
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From: Siva Sivabalan (msiva)
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 1:10 PM
To: 'Jonathan Hardwick' <Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com>; pc= e@ietf.org
Cc: pce-chairs@ietf.org; draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity@i= etf.org
Subject: RE: Poll for adoption: draft-litkowski-pce-association-dive= rsity

 

Support.

 

From: Jonathan Hardwick [mailto:Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com= ]
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 8:45 AM
To: pce@ietf.org
Cc: pce-chairs@ietf.org; = draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity@ietf.org
Subject: Poll for adoption: draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversit= y

 

This is start of a two week pol= l on making draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity-01 a PCE working grou= p document.

https://www.ietf.org/= id/draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity-01.txt

 

Please review the draft and = send an email to the list indicating “yes/support” or “no= /do not support”.  If indicating no, please state your reasons.&= nbsp; If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd like to see addressed once the document is a WG document.

 

The poll ends on Wednesday J= anuary 25.

 

Thanks,

Jon, JP and Julien

 

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The document suggest local policies to decide the computation beha= vior, I would prefer to have normative text for better inter-operability. I= think this point was also discussed during the IETF meeting. b. Also It would be helpful if we keep the proposal aligned to existin= g PCEP objects and mechanism i. SVEC= Flags (which are strict) [RFC5440] ii. OF co= des (which allow maximizing diversity, with no strictness guarantee) [draft= -dhody-pce-of-diverse] c. I would propose following encoding change i. Sing= le disjoint association type (instead of 4) ii. Add f= lags in DISJOINTNESS-INFORMATION-TLV for node, link, srlg (similar to SVEC = - strict) iii. Add O= F-Code also in the TLV (2) I am not sure about this text in the section 3 - o Configuration: in case the PCC is performing the path computation but the PCE (without computation engine) is managing the LSP parameters, the PCE should add the disjoint-group within the PCUpdate message to communicate to the PCC the disjointness constraint. * I don't think the use of PCUpd in this way would be aligned to th= e Stateful PCE draft. Perhaps this needs to be discussed on its own. (3) Some text should be added to suggest how this would work along with = the protection association draft [draft-ananthakrishnan-pce-stateful-path-p= rotection]. IMHO both association group should be used together when we wou= ld like to specify the diversity requirement of the protection LSP. Some te= xt could be added here. Based on the discussion with authors, I can provide text if required. Regards, Dhruv From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hardwick Sent: 11 January 2017 19:15 To: pce@ietf.org Cc: draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity@ietf.org; pce-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] Poll for adoption: draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity This is start of a two week poll on making draft-litkowski-pce-association-= diversity-01 a PCE working group document. https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity-01.txt Please review the draft and send an email to the list indicating "yes/suppo= rt" or "no/do not support". If indicating no, please state your reasons. = If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd like to see address= ed once the document is a WG document. The poll ends on Wednesday January 25. Thanks, Jon, JP and Julien --_000_23CE718903A838468A8B325B80962F9B8CA546EFblreml501mbb_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi WG, Authors,

 

Yes/Support   (but I have some concerns, that can be addr= essed once the document is a WG document)

 

(1)    Strictness

a.       The document suggest local policies to decide the computation = behavior, I would prefer to have normative text for better inter-operabilit= y. I think this point was also discussed during the IETF meeting.

b.      Also It would be helpful if we keep the proposal aligned to ex= isting PCEP objects and mechanism

          =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =    i.  = ;    SVEC Flags (which are strict) [RFC5440]

          =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;             ii. &nbs= p;    OF codes (which allow maximizing diversit= y, with no strictness guarantee) [draft-dhody-pce-of-diverse]

c.       I would propose following encoding change

          =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =    i.  = ;    Single disjoint association type (instead = of 4)

          =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;             ii. &nbs= p;    Add flags in DISJOINTNESS-INFORMATION-TLV= for node, link, srlg (similar to SVEC - strict)

          =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            iii. &nb= sp;    Add OF-Code also in the TLV

 

(2)    I am not sure about this text in the section 3 -

   o  Configuration: in case the PCC is perfo= rming the path computation

      but the PCE (without computation e= ngine) is managing the LSP

      parameters, the PCE should add the= disjoint-group within the

      PCUpdate message to communicate to= the PCC the disjointness

      constraint.

 

·     &= nbsp;   I don’t think the use of PCUpd in this way would be alig= ned to the Stateful PCE draft. Perhaps this needs to be discussed on its ow= n.

 

(3)    Some text should be added to suggest how this would work along= with the protection association draft [draft-ananthakrishnan-pce-stateful-= path-protection]. IMHO both association group should be used together when we would like to specify the diversity = requirement of the protection LSP. Some text could be added here.

 

Based on the discussion with authors, I can provide text if required.

 

Regards,

Dhruv

 

From:<= /span> Pce [mailto:pce-bounc= es@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hardwick
Sent: 11 January 2017 19:15
To: pce@ietf.org
Cc: draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity@ietf.org; pce-chairs@i= etf.org
Subject: [Pce] Poll for adoption: draft-litkowski-pce-association-di= versity

 

This is start of a two week pol= l on making draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity-01 a PCE working grou= p document.

https://www.ietf.org/= id/draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity-01.txt

 

Please review the draft and = send an email to the list indicating “yes/support” or “no= /do not support”.  If indicating no, please state your reasons.&= nbsp; If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd like to see addressed once the document is a WG document.

 

The poll ends on Wednesday J= anuary 25.

 

Thanks,

Jon, JP and Julien

 

--_000_23CE718903A838468A8B325B80962F9B8CA546EFblreml501mbb_-- From nobody Thu Jan 12 01:02:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B8A11294D0; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 01:02:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.117 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.117 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oRO3NQHAjaaZ; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 01:02:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from relais-inet.orange.com (mta239.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.66.39]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D018129440; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 01:02:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from opfedar02.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.4]) by opfedar23.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 9807E1607D5; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 10:02:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.24]) by opfedar02.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 63055180079; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 10:02:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::65de:2f08:41e6:ebbe]) by OPEXCLILM7D.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::9044:c5ee:4dd2:4f16%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0319.002; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 10:02:44 +0100 From: To: Dhruv Dhody , Jonathan Hardwick , "pce@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Poll for adoption: draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity Thread-Index: AdJsEC6GK+BxyT7iTTGAvLi/Px5JVgAh3+TQAAaLJbA= Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 09:02:43 +0000 Message-ID: <31378_1484211764_58774634_31378_1835_7_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921DC8E6AF@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <23CE718903A838468A8B325B80962F9B8CA546EF@blreml501-mbb> In-Reply-To: <23CE718903A838468A8B325B80962F9B8CA546EF@blreml501-mbb> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.3] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921DC8E6AFOPEXCLILMA4corp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity@ietf.org" , "pce-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pce] Poll for adoption: draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 09:02:49 -0000 --_000_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921DC8E6AFOPEXCLILMA4corp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dhruv, Thanks for your support and comments. We will take care of them. The first point that I want to highlight is about the choice of having 4 di= fferent association types. This helps to ensure consistency in the requests and prevents two head ends= to request a different disjoint type for the same group-id. Brgds, From: Dhruv Dhody [mailto:dhruv.dhody@huawei.com] Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 08:37 To: Jonathan Hardwick; pce@ietf.org Cc: draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity@ietf.org; pce-chairs@ietf.org Subject: RE: Poll for adoption: draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity Hi WG, Authors, Yes/Support (but I have some concerns, that can be addressed once the doc= ument is a WG document) (1) Strictness a. The document suggest local policies to decide the computation beha= vior, I would prefer to have normative text for better inter-operability. I= think this point was also discussed during the IETF meeting. b. Also It would be helpful if we keep the proposal aligned to existin= g PCEP objects and mechanism i. SVEC= Flags (which are strict) [RFC5440] ii. OF co= des (which allow maximizing diversity, with no strictness guarantee) [draft= -dhody-pce-of-diverse] c. I would propose following encoding change i. Sing= le disjoint association type (instead of 4) ii. Add f= lags in DISJOINTNESS-INFORMATION-TLV for node, link, srlg (similar to SVEC = - strict) iii. Add O= F-Code also in the TLV (2) I am not sure about this text in the section 3 - o Configuration: in case the PCC is performing the path computation but the PCE (without computation engine) is managing the LSP parameters, the PCE should add the disjoint-group within the PCUpdate message to communicate to the PCC the disjointness constraint. * I don't think the use of PCUpd in this way would be aligned to th= e Stateful PCE draft. Perhaps this needs to be discussed on its own. (3) Some text should be added to suggest how this would work along with = the protection association draft [draft-ananthakrishnan-pce-stateful-path-p= rotection]. IMHO both association group should be used together when we wou= ld like to specify the diversity requirement of the protection LSP. Some te= xt could be added here. Based on the discussion with authors, I can provide text if required. Regards, Dhruv From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hardwick Sent: 11 January 2017 19:15 To: pce@ietf.org Cc: draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity@ietf.org; pce-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] Poll for adoption: draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity This is start of a two week poll on making draft-litkowski-pce-association-= diversity-01 a PCE working group document. https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity-01.txt Please review the draft and send an email to the list indicating "yes/suppo= rt" or "no/do not support". If indicating no, please state your reasons. = If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd like to see address= ed once the document is a WG document. 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Hi Dhruv,

 

Thanks for your suppor= t and comments. We will take care of them.

The first point that I= want to highlight is about the choice of having 4 different association ty= pes.

This helps to ensure c= onsistency in the requests and prevents two head ends to request a differen= t disjoint type for the same group-id.

 

Brgds,

 

 

From: Dhruv Dh= ody [mailto:dhruv.dhody@huawei.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 08:37
To: Jonathan Hardwick; pce@ietf.org
Cc: draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity@ietf.org; pce-chairs@i= etf.org
Subject: RE: Poll for adoption: draft-litkowski-pce-association-dive= rsity

 

Hi WG, Authors,

 

Yes/Support   (but I have some concerns, that can be addr= essed once the document is a WG document)

 

(1)    Strictness =

a.    &n= bsp;  The documen= t suggest local policies to decide the computation behavior, I would prefer= to have normative text for better inter-operability. I think this point wa= s also discussed during the IETF meeting.

b.    &n= bsp; Also It wou= ld be helpful if we keep the proposal aligned to existing PCEP objects and = mechanism

   = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;          i.   &nb= sp;  SVEC Flags = (which are strict) [RFC5440]

   = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;        ii.<= span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","= ;serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">   &n= bsp;  OF codes (w= hich allow maximizing diversity, with no strictness guarantee) [draft-dhody= -pce-of-diverse]

c.    &n= bsp;  I would pro= pose following encoding change

   = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;          i.   &nb= sp;  Single disj= oint association type (instead of 4)

   = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;        ii.<= span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","= ;serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">   &n= bsp;  Add flags i= n DISJOINTNESS-INFORMATION-TLV for node, link, srlg (similar to SVEC - stri= ct)

   = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;       iii.=    &= nbsp;  Add OF-Code= also in the TLV

 

(2)    I am not su= re about this text in the section 3 -

   o  Configuration: in case the PCC is perfor= ming the path computation

      but the PCE (without computation en= gine) is managing the LSP

      parameters, the PCE should add the = disjoint-group within the

      PCUpdate message to communicate to = the PCC the disjointness

      constraint.

 

·&= nbsp;        I don’= ;t think the use of PCUpd in this way would be aligned to the Stateful PCE = draft. Perhaps this needs to be discussed on its own.

 

(3)    Some text s= hould be added to suggest how this would work along with the protection ass= ociation draft [draft-ananthakrishnan-pce-stateful-path-protection]. IMHO b= oth association group should be used together when we would like to specify the diversity requirement of the pr= otection LSP. Some text could be added here.

 

Based on the discussion with authors, I can provide text if required.

 

Regards,

Dhruv

 

From:<= /span> Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hardwick
Sent: 11 January 2017 19:15
To: pce@ietf.org
Cc: draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity@ietf.org; pce-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [Pce] Poll for adoption: draft-litkowski-pce-association-di= versity

 

This is start of a two week pol= l on making draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity-01 a PCE working grou= p document.

https://www.ietf.org/= id/draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity-01.txt

 

Please review the draft and = send an email to the list indicating “yes/support” or “no= /do not support”.  If indicating no, please state your reasons.&= nbsp; If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd like to see addressed once the document is a WG document.

 

The poll ends on Wednesday J= anuary 25.

 

Thanks,

Jon, JP and Julien

 

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Yes/support.

Thanks,
R= akesh


On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Jonathan Hardwick <= Jonat= han.Hardwick@metaswitch.com> wrote:

This is start of a two week poll on making draft-lit= kowski-pce-association-diversity-01 a PCE working group document.

https://www.ietf.org/id/= draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity-01.txt

=C2=A0

Please review the draft and = send an email to the list indicating =E2=80=9Cyes/support=E2=80=9D or =E2= =80=9Cno/do not support=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 If indicating no, please state your= reasons.=C2=A0 If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd= like to see addressed once the document is a WG document.

=C2=A0

The poll ends on Wednesday J= anuary 25.

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Jon, JP and Julien=

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--001a1147ccbc35c30a0545e61894-- From nobody Sat Jan 14 09:08:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE3F112A0BB; Sat, 14 Jan 2017 09:08:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.62 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.62 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2erH84TyBF0p; Sat, 14 Jan 2017 09:08:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (asmtp4.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.175]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9AA9F12A0C5; Sat, 14 Jan 2017 09:08:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp4.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v0EH7wvJ017076; Sat, 14 Jan 2017 17:07:58 GMT Received: from 950129200 ([176.241.250.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp4.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v0EH7m4B017004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 14 Jan 2017 17:07:53 GMT From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Jonathan Hardwick'" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 17:07:49 -0000 Message-ID: <004101d26e88$c2902580$47b07080$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQNBVD59+MhBSIkY2hdQaFF1zQsj+Z5aZMdg Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.0.0.1202-22824.001 X-TM-AS-Result: No--22.466-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--22.466-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: DuKherWvI/s4HKI/yaqRmzvHaQgTaZi1I5K4Cd+0ao+638ZUY6gSd7LC tVro66hEoLbpuI0GLLoLLLWyLNkDmggpNt5EgFbMjWe5HOFKvuNReWnUUdhI9US/boWSGMtdBpN qUzwLvveJSOhdg/zYvkJ0IOaBXZ9Cd/V8JZegTXx9VGUj7w7LWaKaxHqGRwkCdNxgM+eE6PuraR WKBb9AMhhA4i/E6gavFFncGI2jHrUTRq2fvEtvbfyAR9DgC/hHPDF83jDxHQx9WQH9y/pSXWwky XryxSCwKXCF5iSVu5/cTVbrLGOa8G94Ipa1otxoGFMYlDUzwr2vcy86YYn6dpy1Yc8tPkV9XZg0 0w4rO/Cz4YE8YS+Zv+Fpmtf3dxkpSOWjYlTyoLFoMLOoNHsM9lAI6wCVrE3vbcPp/oilssi6LjO twJ3mNDeWDqLpvQDvlw4DIGTD74y1JENQO/Nrk5VRzPxemJL01zuqJnnszJW2j4OtFB4kB2tUyg sbhDwBp3nmW8jBg80uHj4hEbVJ/Pbm8/oFDEvNQ1OcCEvT+bdHnik1cEYK6ThaF8iENa8s24H2d EGtAs1fGX74JXktl2UDkWJz/Pib2rvYheZgBXsR0Wxq9RAoB6Ydrl3ZqJaPSZV6zWnCdrndZJDQ nC+AAZJ80X5yg07A8Ktro0yfOAUj7bz1f6A1G4+YSzwl92XTJPNIV6GF8mseftaqB4qCMKPFjJE Fr+olfeZdJ1Xsorg65tgsJWcFUbxAi7jPoeEQftwZ3X11IV0= Archived-At: Cc: draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity@ietf.org, pce-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pce] Poll for adoption: draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 17:08:08 -0000 > This is start of a two week poll on making draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity-01 a PCE working group document. Hi, I support the adoption of this draft, because it is clear that this function needs to be provided. But my review throws up a few things that should be worked on. None of my issues needs hold up adoption of the document so long as we can agree to look at them as the work goes forward. Note that a few of my comments might lead to reducing the available function, and other might suggest using existing mechanisms rather than adding new features. Thanks, Adrian === Could the Abstract make it a little clearer whether this signaling is to request a PCE to compute diverse group of LSPs, request that a PCE compute the path of an LSP that is diverse from some other group of existing LSPs, indicate to a PCC that it must set up a group of diverse LSPs, indicate to a PCC that an LSP that is to be set up must be diverse from some other group of LSPs, or report from a PCC to a PCE that a group of LSPs are diverse. In other words, give some indication of what the feature is for. --- Similarly, the Introduction needs to give some more clue. When it says "used to signal" it fails to indicate who signals to whom and at what stage in the process. --- The document needs to make it clear why the SVEC object is not a suitable approach. I think this will follow from the previous two points but it is important to mention SVEC and clarify the relationship to that object which has previously been used to enable "related" computations. --- The caption to Figure 1 might better read... Figure 1 - Disjoint paths with different head-ends and tail-ends --- "PCInit" should, I think, be "PCInitiate". --- I want to note that diverse paths can often only be successfully computed if they are computed as a batch. Therefore, a mechanism that allows one PCC to request an LSP "disjoint from everything else in this group" is flawed unless the PCE has some way to know the whole of the group. Otherwise, the PCE will compute the path of the LSP as the CSPF because the group is empty and will later get a second request ("compute a second LSP disjoint from the group") that it might not be able to satisfy. This problem is compounded by increasing the size of the group without the PCE even knowing whether it has information about the whole group. That fact does not detract from the protocol mechanism, but does, I think, mean that the use case of two or more separate PCCs (LERs) requesting LSPs to be diverse from the group is either more complex (it could use rerouting to achieve the results after performing a "global concurrent reoptimization", or it could have additional protocol mechanisms to scope the group), or subject to failures or suboptimal results. Note that SVEC, SVEC list, and GCO were previous attempts to address this specific problem. Just as OFs were previous ways of expressing the computation result desired. --- In 4.1 you have... A disjoint group can have two or more LSPs. But a PCE may be limited in how many LSPs it can take into account when computing disjointness: usually PCEs are able to compute a pair of disjoint paths. If a PCE receives more LSPs in the group than it can handle in its computation algorithm, it SHOULD apply disjointness computation to only a subset of LSPs in the group. The subset of disjoint LSPs will be decided by the implementation. I think it would be good to strike ": usually PCEs are able to compute a pair of disjoint paths". That is an implementation detail and actually has no bearing on the protocol mechanism you define. That is, even if a PCE can only compute one path, the "subset" of one will work. (Personally, I think PCEs should be able to handle arbitrary groups, but I understand some algorithms differ.) What is missing, however, is how the PCE in this case reports that it did not perform the requested function, but still supplied paths. That is, the paths are not what was requested, but are supplied as though they were. I believe the PCE MUST report this fact so that the PCC can decide whether or not to use the paths. --- Similarly Associating a particular LSP to multiple disjoint groups is authorized from a protocol perspective, however there is no insurance that the PCE will be able to compute properly the multi-disjointness constraint. So the PCE that cannot handle this case needs to have a formal response that lets the PCC know that something undesired has happened. --- What is the interaction of the P flag and the OF? If the OF says, for example, use the least load path, and yet the P flag is set, what should the PCE do? Perhaps this is what your text is trying to talk about. Maybe then, this isn't specifically the "shortest path" flag, but is more a "satisfy all constraints and objective functions first without considering the diversity constraint" flag. Even so, you should talk about what happens if there are two paths that equally satisfy the other constraints and OFs (consider ECMP) but where the use of one allows diversity, and the use of the other does not. (Hint: it is very easy to draw networks where this happens.) --- How does the strictness requirement interact with the case (above) of not being able to compute for the full set at once? --- Suppose I ask for node disjoint but am willing to settle for link disjoint. How do I express this? It would be {node, but not strict} + {link, strict} But I see no way to express this. --- If I say "not strict" can a PCE simply ignore me, or does it "do its best"? And do you define "best" for a group of LSPs? Fewest LSPs that are disjoint? Fewest points of non-disjointness across the group? Sounds like a few new OFs to me. And how does the PCE report what is not quite as requested? --- I think you have a new security consideration to include. There needs to be some authorisation associated with a group. Otherwise a "rogue" PCC can sabotage someone else's group by adding to it a strict request for an LSP that cannot possibly be disjoint. This would, as I understand it cause the whole group to be in error. From nobody Tue Jan 17 11:40:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5327712947E for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 11:40:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=hq.sk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2AUnvpo4acEo for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 11:40:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.hq.sk (hq.sk [81.89.59.181]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2FB612957C for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 11:40:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.137.2.13] (46.229.239.158.host.vnet.sk [46.229.239.158]) by mail.hq.sk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6F3752418D0; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 20:40:25 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=hq.sk; s=mail; t=1484682025; bh=FXhG4yYC2njVlrJMeQdYOuC9s6Q/ALRaEVddH0nOrEc=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=UhqFuLIUBl6mAgscn4mCb2HTavRBeZEjkqocIoi68FnsBcVWDcOL/EkWL9cVQjKZ2 cpkPyQEYAa/8XP32ruEKi2BCTkETE0Dhc0f5Zs7b5ek3hxQsaDMOWBX4A7d7bw6nU+ kmApRm+OWc2vv4vjaZTKihGi6B7vS7vmwuxTxEBA= To: Jonathan Hardwick , Aaron Itskovich , "pce@ietf.org" , Julien Meuric References: <6abff8b0-3b68-c17c-dfaf-3e636292ed3b@cisco.com> From: Robert Varga Message-ID: <7fba772a-4e3d-5c66-4e12-f2f70131847b@hq.sk> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 20:40:16 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="iOMPA2PjGkxavWGes2K1W22tkbm5f4dJj" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 19:40:30 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --iOMPA2PjGkxavWGes2K1W22tkbm5f4dJj Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="S7w2VStjBnGlNkwqMoLCE8U1vBl13wsxA"; protected-headers="v1" From: Robert Varga To: Jonathan Hardwick , Aaron Itskovich , "pce@ietf.org" , Julien Meuric Message-ID: <7fba772a-4e3d-5c66-4e12-f2f70131847b@hq.sk> Subject: Re: [Pce] draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp References: <6abff8b0-3b68-c17c-dfaf-3e636292ed3b@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: --S7w2VStjBnGlNkwqMoLCE8U1vBl13wsxA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 01/09/2017 02:45 PM, Jonathan Hardwick wrote: > Hi Aaron Hello Jon, > Thanks. So actually, I need to backtrack and agree that there is a mec= hanism defined for a backup PCE to request that an orphaned LSP is delega= ted to it - I had missed that. >=20 > I am not sure that this implies that the PCC cannot re-delegate of its = own free will. It would be useful to have that clarified in the draft. Note that Redelegation Timeout Interval is a PCC-local value, which the PCC can alter dynamically based on its internal state at any moment (as per pce-stateful-pce section 2). pce-stateful-pce does not change the fact that the PCC is in control over an LSP's state. With pce-pce-initiated-lsp the set of options available to a PCC with respect to having a say in LSP's shape, form and existence is limited and involves trade-offs, but at the end of the day PCC can always assume control of an LSP. Specifically it can (without implying it should) legally execute the following sequence based solely on its local policy: 1) terminate the PCEP session with the primary PCE 2) reduce Redelegation Timeout Interval to 0, effectively expiring it 3) delegate the (now orphan) LSP to a currently-connected backup PCE 4) restore Redelegation Timeout Internal back to normal Step 3 can alternatively involve reducing State Timeout Interval, at which point the PCC is in complete control of the LSP (can delete it or revert it to operator-defined default per section 2). > However, given this mechanism exists, it does raise the question about = how PCEs should properly cooperate in terms of how orphaned LSPs are dete= cted and who should request ownership. pce-stateful-pce was designed with PCC being central authority over LSP state and how it relates to connected PCEs. With pce-pce-initiated-lsp there are multiple options how a set of redundant PCEs can be realized. It may also involve a lot complex implementation-specific trade-offs, for example in load-balancing, hence we chose to leave inter-PCE arbitration out of scope. As outlined above, a PCC implementation with a sufficiently smart local policy can still act as a coordinator, although quite a limited one. Regards, Robert --S7w2VStjBnGlNkwqMoLCE8U1vBl13wsxA-- --iOMPA2PjGkxavWGes2K1W22tkbm5f4dJj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIoBAEBCgASBQJYfnMmCxxuaXRlQGhxLnNrAAoJECsDwSqgzwDTxeEQAIOrFfz6 y9/MHoNL7Thg8npFvAv2xVpI7hsWjIJ9LlmcQU4LLQNIkGm6mu1Y0SM5Mzsam5qh EqDxTyxgh0upddr8Btg8alSv65tpbqamEEUbx2zwxRYvuboiDfUNStN6N2KObrMA OaqYrdZmGLrZcBECQv2tkWZp73nv7eTR6EICeImfu99+hCHXM4tz+CGjKx0jjLwe I1ufTL4VLkeXabQZcaODItq85tsCnBxETVwQauFmPiuVRgjPUcYnWcMANJM/CjV5 qPBEoNRixcns/jVNk3CMCw/k7e4a3P09mnoypqFyBEaUkl2+FnGh0XFvyzctz1sz rhNUEvdPunoRNFTElQdNKWhsdQhv8mutU2U07tUsKAHU7sJE6F6S6XFa1sy6NV/S qo/5Ee17UHSylqndu+UjQQzPHCpBWo+UC7rlrrarlZLh345P2RntCyeMqd6PNpt4 8psoBKTKvY5Es7Lk4ktAbCmcBuqruosRV7B59DonR+o14sNctjS2+vJ0OOjGWfAE IeVRbgQyYUiLB5nMIjrkHSDddry8tKKR0k3CHBtTr/G/N1s2U8gtd8q1zzhfY5Vu Xns89b89qtFIw2ist95vE8Yf0xTPdbmw32xIzyi/JiE8HH0L7se1RI3UCHOmXegs 1tlaHxz10HLmIF7oYNQLOblyJBZ13yGJjowR =wC+s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --iOMPA2PjGkxavWGes2K1W22tkbm5f4dJj-- From nobody Wed Jan 18 08:00:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E37B129456 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2017 08:00:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.919 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.919 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P7vhJ_aBKoGc for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2017 08:00:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.webfaction.com (mail6.webfaction.com [74.55.86.74]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD6C0129436 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2017 08:00:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.134] (unknown [24.6.106.73]) by smtp.webfaction.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22883219ABDF for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2017 16:00:49 +0000 (UTC) To: pce@ietf.org From: Greg Bernstein Message-ID: <3e579b63-99b7-d3a2-9d18-fcbd968a5ab3@grotto-networking.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 08:00:49 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------D642D4EFC319526D5C764C64" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] Working group last call (including final IPR check) for draft-ietf-pce-wson-rwa-ext X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 16:00:53 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D642D4EFC319526D5C764C64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Greg Bernstein *From:*Jonathan Hardwick *Sent:* 30 November 2016 11:35 *To:* 'leeyoung@huawei.com' >; 'ramon.casellas@cttc.es' >; 'zhangfatai@huawei.com' >; 'Cyril Margaria' >; Greg Bernstein >; 'Oscar González de Dios' > *Cc:* pce-chairs@ietf.org ; 'Daniele Ceccarelli' > *Subject:* FW: Working group last call (including final IPR check) for draft-ietf-pce-wson-rwa-ext Dear authors Please remember to reply to the IPR poll below (copying the PCE list) by 6 December. Many thanks Jon --------------D642D4EFC319526D5C764C64 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.

Greg Bernstein

From: Jonathan Hardwick
Sent: 30 November 2016 11:35
To: 'leeyoung@huawei.com' <leeyoung@huawei.com>; 'ramon.casellas@cttc.es' <ramon.casellas@cttc.es>; 'zhangfatai@huawei.com' <zhangfatai@huawei.com>; 'Cyril Margaria' <cyril.margaria@gmail.com>; Greg Bernstein <gregb@grotto-networking.com>; 'Oscar González de Dios' <oscar.gonzalezdedios@telefonica.com>
Cc: pce-chairs@ietf.org; 'Daniele Ceccarelli' <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>
Subject: FW: Working group last call (including final IPR check) for draft-ietf-pce-wson-rwa-ext

 

Dear authors

 

Please remember to reply to the IPR poll below (copying the PCE list) by 6 December.

 

Many thanks

Jon

 
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Wed, 18 Jan 2017 20:14:19 GMT From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Jonathan Hardwick'" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 20:14:21 -0000 Message-ID: <04d801d271c7$75a51770$60ef4650$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_04D9_01D271C7.75AA2080" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIr/eg1Q9mZk8qgpXnDhlnKP/1QeKCLKcTg Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.0.0.1202-22832.002 X-TM-AS-Result: No--11.930-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--11.930-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: 8HTFlOrbAtHaOWCt37RI5txajlW+zwxC6Jj6zYvfFARq4coTktrGX3iC e8dVoQXoem7Q0/BfQ0idtXuGCMK7bi/aTczbsnfWsyNb+yeIRApAq6/y5AEOOjcS3AT+4zzmM+p +NpswZmqJQNchOWKA0AFpW8YpqUTnTBoKJVzWO8JbuDP8ZuCmXuPmXK6rwg5Bq8z7POX8FJOGkY lEJW/HpPjtCmIiy79jK60WoPcsLkcsYcQhsLi5b9/wYmMFcJSIzUNrsfquv4gwp/4s3hUlGDcuo 3EoNtwLPdJs51vPe8klmxw7mfzDLjIis6myWdj62MMmxTWvrZu/yN2q8U674tqCxkzSpW/X3O10 Rw/K4HToveWDnoc1EMrwwM67bcRVBVwP6b8+JkgdxBAG5/hkW/ltVCXwDZiOVL6geaPy6nNnLab I67VZfJx4qSW9CqMu7yN7I89ZnPWkOIY39zkh2AArNgt5xpQYXEjKf9fhKae638ZUY6gSd435bh tr3DJiRcH8vHuusswyhzimQryyp03NdyQQY/k0020eWoALA9dezmeoa8MJ8yNGK7UC7ElMa3I1H yduQXReZvbG18jEQAIFofE49tCvMRXV8lvz/l3XIwmz2YEJxVHB9PagRph0HGRbGDv0rgiI+yd4 8zjY3fVqKYoVu7XrJcCLAhZvOaLVBhnhEFJQQ70dPFETpBAHecvjbu/xDjqKvtIv3yXJCf3tbKD JQoHTTRlO4YqBQoetx+zrfgtm8e+9lv9tq/TYlVHM/F6YkvQUOnkJcyxUv8fHH/M5FHNaEWXAmF VxJU77zAFKdlvdc0LaCyddTYfYRF8J0whn5t2eAiCmPx4NwGmRqNBHmBvevqq8s2MNhPDB6hM9Z 2+oTAgba0jhlfsrywk6UeWv0A+6GYyzFQwovoXG3TnjfylwRpFPVAZ/ON6RE3vvGIUle4YDLCi3 jHJb4VirBQgxPzecGB6i9KnSVCQTZWLe2jFG5Qfb5tjQgYQ= Archived-At: Cc: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth@ietf.org, pce-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pce] Poll for adoption: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-09 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 20:14:28 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_04D9_01D271C7.75AA2080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jon, chairs, I think this is something we should be working on and I think that this draft will be a reasonable starting point although I do have some issues for discussion. I think we can handle the issues at any time (including after adoption). Thanks, Adrian - - - - - - It might be nice if the Abstract gave a very simple explanation of "automatic bandwidth adjustment". You have text in the Introduction you could use. --- There are three bullets at the end of Section 1, but I lack the context to understand whether this is a list of possible approaches, a list of steps, or something else. --- I note that this revision seems to have dropped the ability for a PCC to report samples to the PCE and have the PCE do all of the work of determining whether auth-bandwidth adjustments are needed/desirable before performing the various path computations. There is a clear benefit in pushing the responsibility for deciding when adjustments are needed to the PCC. This distributes the load of monitoring the LSPs down to the PCCs and frees up the PCE as well as reducing the load on PCEP communications. However, ... Exactly when to adjust an LSP (and the scaling consequences discussed in 4.3) could be better left to a PCE. That is, a PCE could be flexible in its interpretation of thresholds enabling it to trigger adjustment early if it believes there is a good reason (for example, doing a set of parallel recomputations) or late (for example, when it knows that an adjustment would be disruptive to the network and can see the changes that lead to an adjustment request). When this is delegated to the PCC, the PCC cannot see the impact on other LSPs, and the PCE cannot tell whether the request for adjust the LSP is critical or moderate. Clearly there are options and trade-offs, and different pain points. Was there a logic to this edit? (BTW - Having a way for the PCC to report measurements to the PCE does not necessarily imply using a PCRpt for that purpose.) Note that in 4.2 you have The PCEP peer which is in-charge of calculating the bandwidth to be adjusted, will adjust the bandwidth of the LSP to the highest sampled traffic rate (MaxAvgBw) amongst the set of bandwidth samples collected over the adjustment-interval. I think that *in*your*current*revision* "The PCEP peer" means "the PCC" and that "the PCC" is congruent to the "LSP head end". Similarly, when you took text out in this revision, I think you missed updating 4.3 where you have... If a PCE gets overwhelmed, it can notify the PCC to temporarily suspend its auto-bandwidth reporting (see Section 5.6). ...yet the PCC does not (now) do auto-bandwidth reporting. --- I think the table in Section 3 slightly misses the point. The statement "No new extensions are needed" is currently applied to "PCC Initiated", but I think there may be confusion in the delegated case. That is, once delegated, a PCC *could* send a request for adjustment, but neither the PCC nor the PCE may really be expecting that. They may expect something more similar to the PCE-initiated case. Thus, at the time of delegation, the PCE needs to be able to say "yes, delegated, but I want you to monitor the LSP with these parameters." Maybe, also, at the time of delegation the PCC should be letting the PCE know what monitoring it is planning on doing. --- 4.1 has... Auto-Bandwidth feature allows an LSP to automatically and dynamically adjust its reserved bandwidth over time, i.e. without network operator intervention. Well, of course, the LSP does no such thing. Probably the head-end LSR does that. --- Did you consider allowing a different Adjustment-Interval for adjustment up and adjustment down (with them defaulting to the same value)? --- 4.2 has All thresholds in this document could be represented in both absolute value and percentage, and could be used together. I looked but couldn't find. If absolute and percentage are both supplied and imply different thresholds, which one is used? Could be as simple as "the first threshold hit", but this could lead to some flaps that are not obvious to someone staring at either the up/down percentage thresholds or at the up/down absolute values. --- 5.2 has For PCE-Initiated LSP ([I-D.ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp]), this TLV is included in the LSPA Object with PCInitiate message. For delegated LSPs, this TLV is carried in PCRpt message in LSPA Object. I *think* that a PCUpd can also carry these to allow a PCE to direct the PCC to use different parameters with the LSP. --- 5.2 The TLV is encoded in all PCEP messages for the LSP till the auto bandwidth adjustment feature is enabled, the absence of the TLV indicate the PCEP speaker wish to disable the feature. Does this mean The TLV is encoded in all PCEP messages for the LSP while the auto bandwidth adjustment feature is enabled, the absence of the TLV indicate the PCEP speaker wish to disable the feature. ?? --- 5.2 Length: Variable How true! But what does it encode? --- Do you need section 5.7 for PCUpd? --- You have... This document defines AUTO-BANDWIDTH-CAPABILITY TLV, AUTO-BANDWIDTH-ATTRIBUTE TLV which do not add any new security concerns beyond those discussed in [RFC5440] and [I-D.ietf-pce-stateful-pce]. Some deployments may find the reporting of the auto-bandwidth information as extra sensitive and thus SHOULD employ suitable PCEP security mechanisms like TCP-AO or [I-D.ietf-pce-pceps]. Are you sure there are no additional security concerns as stated in your first paragraph. Doesn't your second paragraph say that there *are* additional concerns: in particular that things be deduced from the fact of, the timing of, and the amount of adjustments? So even if the messages are protected from spoofing or modification, that wouldn't be enough. --- 7.2. Information and Data Models [RFC7420] describes the PCEP MIB, there are no new MIB Objects defined in this document. What you say is true. But do you think there is a need for an augmentation for the new features? What about YANG? --- 7.6. Impact On Network Operations Mechanisms defined in this document do not have any impact on network operations in addition to those already listed in [RFC5440]. Really? Haven't you described a mechanism specifically designed to change the way that the network is operated? Haven't you also described problems (and mitigations) that could cause PCC and PCE to be swamped? --- 8.2 "IETF Consensus" is now called "IETF Review". You also need a reference to RFC 5226. --- 8.3. AUTO-BANDWIDTH-ATTRIBUTE Sub-TLV You need to define the allocation policy for this new registry. --- The absence of TBD2 and TBD3 is not critical, but cause IANA and the RFC editor to ask you a question. From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hardwick Sent: 05 January 2017 15:24 To: pce@ietf.org Cc: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth@ietf.org; pce-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] Poll for adoption: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-09 All, This is start of a two week poll on making draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-09 a PCE working group document. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth/ Please review the draft and send an email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not support". If indicating no, please state your reasons. If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd like to see addressed once the document is a WG document. The poll ends on Thursday January 19. Thanks, Jon, JP and Julien ------=_NextPart_000_04D9_01D271C7.75AA2080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Jon, = chairs,

 

I think this is = something we should be working on and I think that this draft will be a = reasonable starting point although I do have some issues for = discussion.  I think we can = handle the issues at any time (including after = adoption).

 

Thanks,

Adrian

 

- - - - - = -

 

It might be nice if = the Abstract gave a very simple explanation of 

"automatic = bandwidth adjustment". You have text in the Introduction =

you could = use.

 

---

 

There are three = bullets at the end of Section 1, but I lack the = context

to understand whether = this is a list of possible approaches, a list of

steps, or something = else.

 

---

 

I note that this = revision seems to have dropped the ability for a = PCC

to report samples to = the PCE and have the PCE do all of the work of

determining whether = auth-bandwidth adjustments are needed/desirable

before performing the = various path computations.

 

There is a clear = benefit in pushing the responsibility for deciding = when

adjustments are needed = to the PCC. This distributes the load of

monitoring the LSPs = down to the PCCs and frees up the PCE as well as =

reducing the load on = PCEP communications. However, ...

 

Exactly when to adjust = an LSP (and the scaling consequences discussed = in

4.3) could be better = left to a PCE. That is, a PCE could be flexible = in

its interpretation of = thresholds enabling it to trigger adjustment = early

if it believes there = is a good reason (for example, doing a set of

parallel = recomputations) or late (for example, when it knows that an =

adjustment would be = disruptive to the network and can see the = changes

that lead to an = adjustment request). When this is delegated to the = PCC,

the PCC cannot see the = impact on other LSPs, and the PCE cannot tell

whether the request = for adjust the LSP is critical or moderate.

 

Clearly there are = options and trade-offs, and different pain = points.

Was there a logic to = this edit?

 

(BTW - Having a way = for the PCC to report measurements to the PCE

does not necessarily = imply using a PCRpt for that purpose.)

 

Note that in 4.2 you = have

   The = PCEP

   peer which is in-charge = of calculating the bandwidth to be adjusted,

   will adjust the bandwidth = of the LSP to the highest sampled traffic

   rate (MaxAvgBw) amongst = the set of bandwidth samples collected over

   the = adjustment-interval.

I think that = *in*your*current*revision* "The PCEP peer" means "the = PCC"

and that "the = PCC" is congruent to the "LSP head = end".

 

Similarly, when you = took text out in this revision, I think you = missed

updating 4.3 where you = have...

   If a PCE gets = overwhelmed, it can notify the PCC to = temporarily

   suspend its = auto-bandwidth reporting (see Section 5.6).

...yet the PCC does = not (now) do auto-bandwidth reporting.

 

---

 

I think the table in = Section 3 slightly misses the point. The = statement

"No new = extensions are needed" is currently applied to "PCC = Initiated",

but I think there may = be confusion in the delegated case. That is, = once

delegated, a PCC = *could* send a request for adjustment, but neither = the

PCC nor the PCE may = really be expecting that. They may expect = something

more similar to the = PCE-initiated case. Thus, at the time of = delegation,

the PCE needs to be = able to say "yes, delegated, but I want you to =

monitor the LSP with = these parameters." Maybe, also, at the time = of

delegation the PCC = should be letting the PCE know what monitoring it = is

planning on = doing.

 

---

 

4.1 = has...

   Auto-Bandwidth feature = allows an LSP to automatically and dynamically

   adjust its reserved = bandwidth over time, i.e. without network

   operator = intervention.

Well, of course, the = LSP does no such thing. Probably the head-end = LSR

does = that.

 

---

 

Did you consider = allowing a different Adjustment-Interval for = adjustment

up and adjustment down = (with them defaulting to the same value)?

 

---

 

4.2 = has

 

   All thresholds in this = document could be represented in both absolute

   value and percentage, and = could be used together.

 

I looked but couldn't = find. If absolute and percentage are both = supplied

and imply different = thresholds, which one is used? Could be as simple = as

"the first = threshold hit", but this could lead to some flaps that are =

not obvious to someone = staring at either the up/down percentage

thresholds or at the = up/down absolute values.

 

---

 

5.2 = has

   For PCE-Initiated LSP = ([I-D.ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp]), this TLV is

   included in the LSPA = Object with PCInitiate message.  = For delegated

   LSPs, this TLV is carried = in PCRpt message in LSPA Object.    =

I *think* that a PCUpd = can also carry these to allow a PCE to direct = the

PCC to use different = parameters with the LSP.

 

---

 

5.2

   The TLV is encoded in all = PCEP messages for the LSP till the auto

   bandwidth adjustment = feature is enabled, the absence of the TLV

   indicate the PCEP speaker = wish to disable the feature.  

Does this = mean

   The TLV is encoded in all = PCEP messages for the LSP while the auto

   bandwidth adjustment = feature is enabled, the absence of the TLV

   indicate the PCEP speaker = wish to disable the feature.  

??

 

---

 

5.2

   Length: = Variable

How = true!

But what does it = encode?

 

---

 

Do you need section = 5.7 for PCUpd?

 

---

 

You = have...

  This document defines = AUTO-BANDWIDTH-CAPABILITY TLV,

   AUTO-BANDWIDTH-ATTRIBUTE = TLV which do not add any new security

   concerns beyond those = discussed in [RFC5440] and

   = [I-D.ietf-pce-stateful-pce].

 

   Some deployments may find = the reporting of the auto-bandwidth

   information as extra = sensitive and thus SHOULD employ suitable PCEP

   security mechanisms like = TCP-AO or [I-D.ietf-pce-pceps].

 

Are you sure there are = no additional security concerns as stated in

your first paragraph. = Doesn't your second paragraph say that there

*are* additional = concerns: in particular that things be deduced from = the

fact of, the timing = of, and the amount of adjustments? So even if the =

messages are protected = from spoofing or modification, that wouldn't be

enough.

 

---

 

7.2.  Information and Data = Models

 

   [RFC7420] describes the = PCEP MIB, there are no new MIB Objects

   defined in this = document.

 

What you say is true. = But do you think there is a need for an

augmentation for the = new features?

 

What about = YANG?

 

---

 

7.6.  Impact On Network = Operations

 

   Mechanisms defined in = this document do not have any impact on network

   operations in addition to = those already listed in [RFC5440].

 

Really?

Haven't you described = a mechanism specifically designed to change the

way that the network = is operated? Haven't you also described problems =

(and mitigations) that = could cause PCC and PCE to be swamped?

 

---

 

8.2

 

"IETF = Consensus" is now called "IETF Review". You also need a = reference

to RFC = 5226.

 

---

 

8.3.  AUTO-BANDWIDTH-ATTRIBUTE = Sub-TLV

 

You need to define the = allocation policy for this new registry.

 

---

 

The absence of TBD2 = and TBD3 is not critical, but cause IANA and the

RFC editor to ask you = a question.

 

 

From: Pce = [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan = Hardwick
Sent: 05 January 2017 15:24
To: = pce@ietf.org
Cc: = draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth@ietf.org; = pce-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [Pce] Poll for adoption: = draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-09

 

All,

 

This = is start of a two week poll on making = draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-09 a PCE working group = document.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dhody-pce-stateful-p= ce-auto-bandwidth/

 

Please = review the draft and send an email to the list indicating = “yes/support” or “no/do not support”.  If = indicating no, please state your reasons.  If yes, please also feel = free to provide comments you'd like to see addressed once the document = is a WG document.

 

The = poll ends on Thursday January 19.

 

Thanks,

Jon, = JP and Julien

 

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SCL:1; SRVR:BY2PR0201MB1909; H:BY2PR0201MB1910.namprd02.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: metaswitch.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BY2PR0201MB1910E6FAD85AC8733817579A84710BY2PR0201MB1910_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: metaswitch.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 20 Jan 2017 08:45:51.2108 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 9d9e56eb-f613-4ddb-b27b-bfcdf14b2cdb X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BY2PR0201MB1909 Archived-At: Cc: "pce-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pce] Poll for adoption: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-09 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: 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This WG adoption poll has ended, with the res= ult that the document will be adopted by the PCE working group. Authors, please resubmit this document as draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-auto-= bandwidth-00 (with no other changes). As there were some comments during W= G adoption, please address those comments and post any necessary updates in= a version -01. Best regards Jon From: Jonathan Hardwick [mailto:Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com] Sent: 05 January 2017 15:24 To: pce@ietf.org Cc: pce-chairs@ietf.org; draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth@ietf.o= rg Subject: Poll for adoption: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-09 All, This is start of a two week poll on making draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-aut= o-bandwidth-09 a PCE working group document. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidt= h/ Please review the draft and send an email to the list indicating "yes/suppo= rt" or "no/do not support". If indicating no, please state your reasons. = If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd like to see address= ed once the document is a WG document. The poll ends on Thursday January 19. Thanks, Jon, JP and Julien --_000_BY2PR0201MB1910E6FAD85AC8733817579A84710BY2PR0201MB1910_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks all for your re= plies.  This WG adoption poll has ended, with the result that the docu= ment will be adopted by the PCE working group.

 

Authors, please resubm= it this document as draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-00 (with no = other changes).  As there were some comments during WG adoption, pleas= e address those comments and post any necessary updates in a version -01.

 

Best regards

Jon<= /p>

 

 

From: Jonathan Hardwick [mailto:Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com]
Sent: 05 January 2017 15:24
To: pce@ietf.org
Cc: pce-chairs@ietf.org; draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth= @ietf.org
Subject: Poll for adoption: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwi= dth-09

 

All,

 

This is start of a two week poll on making draft-= dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-09 a PCE working group document.=

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/d= raft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth/

 

Please review the draft and send an email to the = list indicating “yes/support” or “no/do not support”= ;.  If indicating no, please state your reasons.  If yes, please = also feel free to provide comments you'd like to see addressed once the document is a WG document.

 

The poll ends on Thursday January 19.<= /p>

 

Thanks,

Jon, JP and Julien

 

--_000_BY2PR0201MB1910E6FAD85AC8733817579A84710BY2PR0201MB1910_-- From nobody Fri Jan 20 06:04:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DE7A129451; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 06:04:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.057 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.057 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tXRsvBIqJ-G0; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 06:04:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpida-esg-02.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 23047129434; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 06:04:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from fr712umx3.dmz.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.245.210.42]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id 956EFA513491A; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 14:04:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fr711usmtp1.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr711usmtp1.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.122]) by fr712umx3.dmz.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO-o) with ESMTP id v0KE4mST012876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Jan 2017 14:04:49 GMT Received: from FR711WXCHHUB01.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr711wxchhub01.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.111]) by fr711usmtp1.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id v0KE4SHt012212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Jan 2017 14:04:47 GMT Received: from [135.224.216.124] (135.239.27.40) by FR711WXCHHUB01.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (135.239.2.111) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.301.0; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 15:04:39 +0100 From: Martin Vigoureux To: "" Message-ID: <524a6dfd-9164-1788-bd52-96cb9b429ffe@nokia.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 15:04:38 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: [135.239.27.40] Archived-At: Cc: draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext.all@ietf.org, "rtg-dir@ietf.org" , pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext-12.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 14:04:58 -0000 Hello, I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see ​http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or by updating the draft. Document: draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext-12.txt Reviewer: Martin Vigoureux Review Date: 2017-01-20 IETF LC End Date: n/a Intended Status: Standards Track Summary: This document is ready for publication. I have found couple of items that made me raise questions, though. Comments: The Document is very well written. Great care has been taken to provide the reader with all the necessary information and pointers for him/her to apprehend the technology elements which are specified. Both protocol specification and clear elements of procedure are provided which is good. Minor Issues: It is important to optimize network resource utilization globally, i.e., taking into account all layers, rather than optimizing resource utilization at each layer independently. This allows better network efficiency to be achieved. Would the authors know at least a publication, which could be referenced, in support of that statement? I don't necessarily disagree with it but I find that it would nicely complement the view. [RFC4206] defines a way to signal ... [RFC5623] describes models for inter-... [RFC6457] describes two sub-options .... HTMLization does not work on references when they are the first element of a paragraph. Maybe something for the tools' team. In any case, not critical and not worth reworking the sentences unless you are as maniac as me :-) You state: If the I flag is clear (zero), the M flag has no meaning and MUST be ignored. But you don't have any similar statement regarding I and T. Is that on purpose or would one be useful? Somehow related to that, I was wondering if there is any value in sending the INTER-LAYER object when I=0? As a corollary, is the I bit really useful? The REQ-ADAP-CAP object MAY be used in a PCReq message in a mono- layer network to specify a requested adaptation capability for both ends of the LSP. In this case, it MAY be carried without an INTER- LAYER Object. Reading the last sentence makes me think that in the other cases an INTER-LAYER Object MUST/SHOULD be present. I am going too far or would some clarification on that aspect be valuable? For example Section 4.1 is very clear about SWITCH & INTER -LAYER Objects. I guess it wouldn't hurt to expand OF on its first use: multiple OF objects I am not sure to understand this request: IANA is further requested to update the registry to show an assignment action of "IETF Consensus" as already documented in [RFC5440]. Could you elaborate? Are you asking IANA to change the assignment policy from "IETF Review" to "IETF Consensus"? If so I doubt this will happen since rfc5226, which you cite just above, says: IETF Review - (Formerly called "IETF Consensus" .... Regards, Martin From nobody Fri Jan 20 08:07:43 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C0C129AB7; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 08:07:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.62 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.62 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WbPbbM_Q681v; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 08:07:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (asmtp4.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.175]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D786712952D; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 08:07:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp4.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v0KG7W28020062; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 16:07:32 GMT Received: from 950129200 (50-76-52-225-ip-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.76.52.225]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp4.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v0KG7TBi020017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 20 Jan 2017 16:07:31 GMT From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Martin Vigoureux'" References: <524a6dfd-9164-1788-bd52-96cb9b429ffe@nokia.com> <19a98256cf68448197dbd5079111d49a@CY1PR0501MB2123.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> In-Reply-To: <19a98256cf68448197dbd5079111d49a@CY1PR0501MB2123.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 16:07:31 -0000 Message-ID: <081701d27337$50278b10$f076a130$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIguMHbV6SXwVueWFY2wyl5RguU9wJNms3xoJJ/yUA= Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.0.0.1202-22836.000 X-TM-AS-Result: No--11.608-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--11.608-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: u6ojmU07PKyqMZyz/RcGLuYAh37ZsBDCC/ExpXrHizz59IBHxKATb7dS eVZoai78Wv/RkPjO2H0oUpSIkvX5ap0vJJSZAWSSbvssW25GCBbEGBoHKd3a+X3hz57t9Yhwuwh qyc+q/JAbzi07l/+dHdFHzHVGz8gvKkwc1Yff1hAD2WXLXdz+AR83WxJo1IH1l+ZBTXCZGmozLM GWJa7zPwMQDDSpB+Bx3PBy+rJWmxBSSF3F2so9XhVDUaMzgz8YMC4zO7d4kaOrzPs85fwUk0OHa +nTDG0HkxuhHxfBv/OO358OlUf8zypevf41rSE7syNb+yeIRAoJDfFL7Mvp7Vvo8FSqar5ShKVO 6/CLdSdT/CEZPF4SzyHzHP+9WUlI5W9n1Vmnd4S9HTxRE6QQB2XdsHc3/fPGr5aAJxq+KoaDhGD dScGhc/RrJbExYmVg34dKRbp5+DoyRohotsnq58qXjImgj58bYQXxsZnRwoL4sp4xDuD8bM+cwC LpvDnEiyBSsdIvw+ietuUPqzH1Dxw7NWRnX+2cwVaayvK71l8Gwd8wUY9uM7rtDe4+j0ojV0GBE fj+2WpM8zBWJVv1Jb8YJ5NCO7lmOpITOJG3CaVb+El1PZzoVnJrB0Cu3DDnaOWLD7G8i13zb5km gp405TUt7MTMAnjdGszLh/Rt5m/6+7mjV+YfuZ4CIKY/Hg3AWQy9YC5qGvz6APa9i04WGCq2rl3 dzGQ1ByZPZn1YaT8UenUimWsu2ouKkcTRMFa3uNhtfwbMu2Fc+WjZmu5M7g== Archived-At: Cc: rtg-ads@ietf.org, rtg-dir@ietf.org, pce@ietf.org, draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext.all@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pce] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext-12.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 16:07:38 -0000 Martin, Many thanks. > Minor Issues: > > It is important to optimize network resource utilization globally, > i.e., taking into account all layers, rather than optimizing = resource > utilization at each layer independently. This allows better = network > efficiency to be achieved. > Would the authors know at least a publication, which could be > referenced, in support of that statement? I don't necessarily disagree > with it but I find that it would nicely complement the view. I'm sure there are lots of learned journals, but I don't have one to = hand. I will trawl briefly (maybe something in the GCO RFC or in the other = documents on inter-layer TE (such as the requirements work that led to = this). > [RFC4206] defines a way to signal ... > [RFC5623] describes models for inter-... > [RFC6457] describes two sub-options .... > HTMLization does not work on references when they are the first = element > of a paragraph. Maybe something for the tools' team. In any case, not > critical and not worth reworking the sentences unless you are as = maniac > as me :-) I raised a defect in the tools tracker to save you the time ;-) > You state: > If the I flag is clear (zero), the M flag has no meaning and MUST = be > ignored. > But you don't have any similar statement regarding I and T. Is that on > purpose or would one be useful? I find... If the I flag is clear (zero), the T flag has no meaning and MUST be ignored. At the top of page 7 > Somehow related to that, I was wondering if there is any value in > sending the INTER-LAYER object when I=3D0? > As a corollary, is the I bit really useful? Right, there are five cases that can be signalled I M T 0 x x=20 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 1 0 1 1 1 It is true that I=3D0 is morally equivalent to not including the = INTER-LAYER object. However, in an inter-layer environment it may be an = easier approach to always use the object. In particular, when the object is used in a PCReq with I=3D1 then it is = more easy to understand for a PCRep to include the object with I=3D0 = than to drop the object. > The REQ-ADAP-CAP object MAY be used in a PCReq message in a mono- > layer network to specify a requested adaptation capability for = both > ends of the LSP. In this case, it MAY be carried without an = INTER- > LAYER Object. > Reading the last sentence makes me think that in the other cases an > INTER-LAYER Object MUST/SHOULD be present. I am going too far or would > some clarification on that aspect be valuable? > For example Section 4.1 is very clear about SWITCH & INTER -LAYER = Objects. You're going too far with your Cartesian Logic :-) "If I become a zombie I MAY track you down and eat your brains" does not = say either "If I don't become a zombie I MUST NOT eat your brains" or = "If I don't become a zombie I MUST eat your brains". I think we once had "The REQ-ADAP-CAP object MAY also be used..." but = the word "also" is superfluous (even if possibly helpful). > I guess it wouldn't hurt to expand OF on its first use: > multiple OF objects RFC 5541 calls it the "OF Object" so I think we're good. 5541 does clarify as "The PCEP OF (Objective Function) object" we could = do that. > I am not sure to understand this request: > IANA is further requested to update the registry to show an > assignment action of "IETF Consensus" as already documented in > [RFC5440]. > Could you elaborate? Are you asking IANA to change the assignment = policy > from "IETF Review" to "IETF Consensus"? If so I doubt this will happen > since rfc5226, which you cite just above, says: > IETF Review - (Formerly called "IETF Consensus" .... Nope. At the time of writing (a million years ago) the registry specifies was = missing an assignment policy for some reason. Section 9.8 of RFC 5440 defined the registry and asked for "IETF = Consensus" so the absence was a bug in the registry. Also, at that time, the other registries used "IETF Consensus" = consistent with RFC 5440. So our text merely repaired the registry. However, since then (no change log available for IANA registries) IANA = has updated the whole PCEP registry to use the RFC 5226 language. At the = same time, they appear to have filled in the missing policy. So, bottom line, we should strike this paragraph. Best, Adrian -- Support an author and your imagination. Tales from the Wood - Eighteen new fairy tales. More Tales from the Wood - Eighteen MORE new fairy tales. https://www.feedaread.com/profiles/8604/ http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tales-Wood-Adrian-Farrel/dp/1786100924 Or buy from me direct. 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<524a6dfd-9164-1788-bd52-96cb9b429ffe@nokia.com> <19a98256cf68448197dbd5079111d49a@CY1PR0501MB2123.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> <081701d27337$50278b10$f076a130$@olddog.co.uk> From: Martin Vigoureux Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 11:42:18 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <081701d27337$50278b10$f076a130$@olddog.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: [135.239.27.41] Archived-At: Cc: rtg-ads@ietf.org, rtg-dir@ietf.org, pce@ietf.org, draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext.all@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pce] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext-12.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 10:42:53 -0000 Hello Adrian, thanks for your answer. Looks all good to me. I'll buy myself a new pair of glasses and thanks for the ticket. Cheers, Martin Le 20/01/2017 à 17:07, Adrian Farrel a écrit : > Martin, > > Many thanks. > >> Minor Issues: >> >> It is important to optimize network resource utilization globally, >> i.e., taking into account all layers, rather than optimizing resource >> utilization at each layer independently. This allows better network >> efficiency to be achieved. >> Would the authors know at least a publication, which could be >> referenced, in support of that statement? I don't necessarily disagree >> with it but I find that it would nicely complement the view. > > I'm sure there are lots of learned journals, but I don't have one to hand. > I will trawl briefly (maybe something in the GCO RFC or in the other documents on inter-layer TE (such as the requirements work that led to this). > >> [RFC4206] defines a way to signal ... >> [RFC5623] describes models for inter-... >> [RFC6457] describes two sub-options .... >> HTMLization does not work on references when they are the first element >> of a paragraph. Maybe something for the tools' team. In any case, not >> critical and not worth reworking the sentences unless you are as maniac >> as me :-) > > I raised a defect in the tools tracker to save you the time ;-) > >> You state: >> If the I flag is clear (zero), the M flag has no meaning and MUST be >> ignored. >> But you don't have any similar statement regarding I and T. Is that on >> purpose or would one be useful? > > I find... > If the I flag is clear (zero), the T flag has no meaning and MUST be > ignored. > > At the top of page 7 > >> Somehow related to that, I was wondering if there is any value in >> sending the INTER-LAYER object when I=0? >> As a corollary, is the I bit really useful? > > Right, there are five cases that can be signalled > > I M T > 0 x x > 1 0 0 > 1 0 1 > 1 1 0 > 1 1 1 > > It is true that I=0 is morally equivalent to not including the INTER-LAYER object. However, in an inter-layer environment it may be an easier approach to always use the object. > > In particular, when the object is used in a PCReq with I=1 then it is more easy to understand for a PCRep to include the object with I=0 than to drop the object. > >> The REQ-ADAP-CAP object MAY be used in a PCReq message in a mono- >> layer network to specify a requested adaptation capability for both >> ends of the LSP. In this case, it MAY be carried without an INTER- >> LAYER Object. >> Reading the last sentence makes me think that in the other cases an >> INTER-LAYER Object MUST/SHOULD be present. I am going too far or would >> some clarification on that aspect be valuable? >> For example Section 4.1 is very clear about SWITCH & INTER -LAYER Objects. > > You're going too far with your Cartesian Logic :-) > > "If I become a zombie I MAY track you down and eat your brains" does not say either "If I don't become a zombie I MUST NOT eat your brains" or "If I don't become a zombie I MUST eat your brains". > > I think we once had "The REQ-ADAP-CAP object MAY also be used..." but the word "also" is superfluous (even if possibly helpful). > >> I guess it wouldn't hurt to expand OF on its first use: >> multiple OF objects > > RFC 5541 calls it the "OF Object" so I think we're good. > 5541 does clarify as "The PCEP OF (Objective Function) object" we could do that. > >> I am not sure to understand this request: >> IANA is further requested to update the registry to show an >> assignment action of "IETF Consensus" as already documented in >> [RFC5440]. >> Could you elaborate? Are you asking IANA to change the assignment policy >> from "IETF Review" to "IETF Consensus"? If so I doubt this will happen >> since rfc5226, which you cite just above, says: >> IETF Review - (Formerly called "IETF Consensus" .... > > Nope. > At the time of writing (a million years ago) the registry specifies was missing an assignment policy for some reason. > Section 9.8 of RFC 5440 defined the registry and asked for "IETF Consensus" so the absence was a bug in the registry. > Also, at that time, the other registries used "IETF Consensus" consistent with RFC 5440. > So our text merely repaired the registry. > > However, since then (no change log available for IANA registries) IANA has updated the whole PCEP registry to use the RFC 5226 language. At the same time, they appear to have filled in the missing policy. > > So, bottom line, we should strike this paragraph. > > Best, > Adrian > -- > Support an author and your imagination. > Tales from the Wood - Eighteen new fairy tales. > More Tales from the Wood - Eighteen MORE new fairy tales. > https://www.feedaread.com/profiles/8604/ > http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tales-Wood-Adrian-Farrel/dp/1786100924 > Or buy from me direct. > > > > From nobody Mon Jan 23 23:40:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7515A126CD8; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 23:40:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.40.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148524365347.29469.7685604452141820126.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 23:40:53 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations-08.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 07:40:53 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element of the IETF. Title : Optimizations of Label Switched Path State Synchronization Procedures for a Stateful PCE Authors : Edward Crabbe Ina Minei Jan Medved Robert Varga Xian Zhang Dhruv Dhody Filename : draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations-08.txt Pages : 23 Date : 2017-01-23 Abstract: A stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) has access to not only the information disseminated by the network's Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP), but also the set of active paths and their reserved resources for its computation. The additional Label Switched Path (LSP) state information allows the PCE to compute constrained paths while considering individual LSPs and their interactions. This requires a reliable state synchronization mechanism between the PCE and the network, PCE and path computation clients (PCCs), and between cooperating PCEs. The basic mechanism for state synchronization is part of the stateful PCE specification. This draft presents motivations for optimizations to the base state synchronization procedure and specifies the required Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) extensions. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations-08 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations-08 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Jan 23 23:58:12 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19DEB12957C for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 23:58:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.42 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.42 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F31UPF6Qhjuv for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 23:58:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 666AA12957A for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 23:58:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id CZJ31903; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 07:58:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from BLREML407-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.20.4.45) by lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.130) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.301.0; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 07:58:00 +0000 Received: from BLREML501-MBB.china.huawei.com ([10.20.5.200]) by BLREML407-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.20.4.45]) with mapi id 14.03.0301.000; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 13:27:27 +0530 From: Dhruv Dhody To: "pce@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations-08.txt Thread-Index: AQHSdhVOU/tgq5QDl0WihPA5hUoNWaFHPpZQ Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 07:57:26 +0000 Message-ID: <23CE718903A838468A8B325B80962F9B8CA5F905@blreml501-mbb> References: <148524365347.29469.7685604452141820126.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <148524365347.29469.7685604452141820126.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-GB, zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.18.149.39] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A090205.5887090F.0050, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 5aa0fc1e0e872312dc14449872a14f87 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations-08.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 07:58:12 -0000 Hi WG,=20 This update handles the comments made during the Routing Directorate Review= [https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pce/current/msg05049.html]. Regards, Dhruv -----Original Message----- From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.o= rg Sent: 24 January 2017 13:11 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations-08.tx= t A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element of the IETF. Title : Optimizations of Label Switched Path State Synchr= onization Procedures for a Stateful PCE Authors : Edward Crabbe Ina Minei Jan Medved Robert Varga Xian Zhang Dhruv Dhody Filename : draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations-08.txt Pages : 23 Date : 2017-01-23 Abstract: A stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) has access to not only the information disseminated by the network's Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP), but also the set of active paths and their reserved resources for its computation. The additional Label Switched Path (LSP) state information allows the PCE to compute constrained paths while considering individual LSPs and their interactions. This requires a reliable state synchronization mechanism between the PCE and the network, PCE and path computation clients (PCCs), and between cooperating PCEs. The basic mechanism for state synchronization is part of the stateful PCE specification. This draft presents motivations for optimizations to the base state synchronization procedure and specifies the required Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) extensions. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations= / There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations-08 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizati= ons-08 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ Pce mailing list Pce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce From nobody Tue Jan 24 00:28:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6E201294BE; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 00:28:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.40.4 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148524651367.12548.9717679158861519440.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 00:28:33 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-00.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 08:28:34 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element of the IETF. Title : PCEP Extensions for MPLS-TE LSP Automatic Bandwidth Adjustment with Stateful PCE Authors : Dhruv Dhody Udayasree Palle Ravi Singh Rakesh Gandhi Luyuan Fang Filename : draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-00.txt Pages : 25 Date : 2017-01-24 Abstract: The Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) provides mechanisms for Path Computation Elements (PCEs) to perform path computations in response to Path Computation Clients (PCCs) requests. The stateful PCE extensions allow stateful control of Multi-Protocol Label Switching (MPLS) Traffic Engineering Label Switched Paths (TE LSPs) using PCEP. This document describes PCEP extensions for automatic bandwidth adjustment when employing an Active Stateful PCE for both PCE- initiated and PCC-initiated LSPs. 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Oscar. Forwarding this to the PCE list for the public record. Best regards Jon From: Oscar Gonz=E1lez de Dios [mailto:oscar.gonzalezdedios@telefonica.com] Sent: 24 January 2017 17:11 To: Jonathan Hardwick ; leeyoung@huawei.c= om; ramon.casellas@cttc.es; zhangfatai@huawei.com; Cyril Margaria ; Greg Bernstein Cc: pce-chairs@ietf.org; Daniele Ceccarelli Subject: Re: Working group last call (including final IPR check) for draft-= ietf-pce-wson-rwa-ext Hi Jonathan, all First of all, sorry for the huge delay in replying to the IPR poll I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. As coauthor of the draft draft-ietf-pce-wson-rwa-ext, I believe this docume= nt is ready to be published. Thanks and Best Regards, =D3scar De: Jonathan Hardwick > Fecha: mi=E9rcoles, 30 de noviembre de 2016, 12:34 Para: Leeyoung >, Ramon Cas= ellas >, Fatai Zhang = >, Cyril Margaria >, Greg Bernstein >, Oscar Gonzal= ez de Dios > CC: "pce-chairs@ietf.org" >, Daniele Ceccarelli > Asunto: FW: Working group last call (including final IPR check) for draft-i= etf-pce-wson-rwa-ext Dear authors Please remember to reply to the IPR poll below (copying the PCE list) by 6 = December. Many thanks Jon From: Jonathan Hardwick [mailto:Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com] Sent: 22 November 2016 17:31 To: pce@ietf.org; draft-ietf-pce-wson-rwa-ext@ietf.org= Cc: pce-chairs@ietf.org; Daniele Ceccarelli > Subject: Working group last call (including final IPR check) for draft-ietf= -pce-wson-rwa-ext Dear PCE working group, This email starts a working group last call for draft-ietf-pce-wson-rwa-ext= -05. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-wson-rwa-ext/ Please read the document and reply to the PCE mailing list whether you beli= eve this document is ready to be published, or not (including any comments = on why not). The last call will end on Tuesday 6 December. We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to dr= aft-ietf-pce-wson-rwa-ext-05, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in comp= liance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more det= ails) prior to moving forward. If you are a document author, please respon= d to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant u= ndisclosed IPR. The document won't progress without answers from all the au= thors. No IPR disclosures currently exist against this document. Many thanks Jon, Julien and JP --_000_BY2PR0201MB191034DA0E26BC798A751D7684750BY2PR0201MB1910_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks Oscar.  Fo= rwarding this to the PCE list for the public record.

Best regards

Jon<= /p>

 

From: Oscar Gonz=E1lez de Dios [mailto:oscar.gonzalezdedios@telefonica.c= om]
Sent: 24 January 2017 17:11
To: Jonathan Hardwick <Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com>; leey= oung@huawei.com; ramon.casellas@cttc.es; zhangfatai@huawei.com; Cyril Marga= ria <cyril.margaria@gmail.com>; Greg Bernstein <gregb@grotto-netwo= rking.com>
Cc: pce-chairs@ietf.org; Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@e= ricsson.com>
Subject: Re: Working group last call (including final IPR check) for= draft-ietf-pce-wson-rwa-ext

 

Hi Jonathan, all

 

First of all, sorry for the huge delay in replying to the IPR poll=

 

I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this= draft.

 

As coauthor of the draft draft-ietf-pce-wson-rwa-ext= , I believe this document is ready to be published.

 

 Thanks and Best Regards,

 

=D3scar 

&n= bsp;

De: Jonathan Hardwick <Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com>
Fecha: mi=E9rcoles, 30 de noviembre de 2016, 12:34
Para: Leeyoung <leeyoung@h= uawei.com>, Ramon Casellas <ramon.casellas@cttc.es>, Fatai Zhang <zhangfatai@huawei.com>, Cyril Margaria <cyril.margaria@gm= ail.com>, Greg Bernstein <gregb@grotto-networking.com>, Oscar Gonzalez de Dios <oscar.gonzalezdedios@te= lefonica.com>
CC: "pce-chairs@ietf.org= " <pce-chairs@ietf.org>, Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>
Asunto: FW: Working group last call (including final IPR check) for = draft-ietf-pce-wson-rwa-ext

&n= bsp;

Dear authors

 

Please remember to rep= ly to the IPR poll below (copying the PCE list) by 6 December.

 

Many thanks

Jon

 

 

From: Jonathan Hardwick [mailto:Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com]
Sent: 22 November 2016 17:31
To: pce@ietf.org; draft-ietf-pce-wson-rwa-ext@ietf.org
Cc: pce-chairs@ietf.org; = Daniele Ceccarelli <d= aniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>
Subject: Working group last call (including final IPR check) for dra= ft-ietf-pce-wson-rwa-ext

 =

Dear PCE working group,<= o:p>

 =

This email starts a work= ing group last call for draft-ietf-pce-wson-rwa-ext-05.

https://datatracker.ietf.= org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-wson-rwa-ext/

 =

Please read the document= and reply to the PCE mailing list whether you believe this document is rea= dy to be published, or not (including any comments on why not).  The l= ast call will end on Tuesday 6 December.

 =

We are also polling for = knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to draft-ietf-pce-wson-rwa-ex= t-05, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rul= es (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) prior to moving forward.  If you are a document aut= hor, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware= of any relevant undisclosed IPR. The document won't progress without answe= rs from all the authors.  No IPR disclosures currently exist against this document.

 =

Many thanks

Jon, Julien and JP<= /o:p>

 =

 =

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Hi Jonathan,

I am not aware of = any IPR that applies to this draft.

As a co-author, I = believe the document is ready for publication.

&n= bsp;

&n= bsp;

Thanks<= o:p>

&n= bsp;

Fatai

 

De: Jonathan Hardwick <<= a href=3D"mailto:Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com">Jonathan.Hardwick@metasw= itch.com>
Fecha: mi=A8=A6rcoles, 30 de noviembre de 2016, 12:34
Para: Leeyoung <leeyoung@h= uawei.com>, Ramon Casellas <ramon.casellas@cttc.es>, Fatai Zhang <zhangfatai@huawei.com>, Cyril Margaria <cyril.margaria@gm= ail.com>, Greg Bernstein <gregb@grotto-networking.com>, Oscar Gonzalez de Dios <oscar.gonzalezdedios@te= lefonica.com>
CC: "pce-chairs@ietf.org= " <pce-chairs@ietf.org>, Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>
Asunto: FW: Working group last call (including final IPR check) for = draft-ietf-pce-wson-rwa-ext

 

Dear au= thors

 <= /span>

Please = remember to reply to the IPR poll below (copying the PCE list) by 6 Decembe= r.

 <= /span>

Many th= anks

Jon

 <= /span>

 <= /span>

From:<= /span> Jonathan Hardwick [mailto:Jonathan.Hardwick@= metaswitch.com]
Sent: 22 November 2016 17:31
To: pce@ietf.org; draft-ietf-pce-wson-rwa-ext@ietf.org
Cc: pce-chairs@ietf.org; = Daniele Ceccarelli <d= aniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>
Subject: Working group last call (including final IPR check) for dra= ft-ietf-pce-wson-rwa-ext

 

Dear PCE = working group,

 

This emai= l starts a working group last call for draft-ietf-pce-wson-rwa-ext-05.

https://= datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-wson-rwa-ext/

 

Please re= ad the document and reply to the PCE mailing list whether you believe this = document is ready to be published, or not (including any comments on why no= t).  The last call will end on Tuesday 6 December.

 

We are al= so polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to draft-ietf-= pce-wson-rwa-ext-05, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance wi= th IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details) prior to moving forward.  If you are = a document author, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not= you are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR. The document won't progress= without answers from all the authors.  No IPR disclosures currently exist against this document.

 

Many than= ks

Jon, Juli= en and JP

 

 

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boundary="_000_BY2PR0201MB1910D3995DFEF23812F375F284770BY2PR0201MB1910_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: metaswitch.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 26 Jan 2017 10:33:05.7537 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 9d9e56eb-f613-4ddb-b27b-bfcdf14b2cdb X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BY2PR0201MB1912 Archived-At: Cc: "draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity@ietf.org" , "pce-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pce] Poll for adoption: draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 10:33:11 -0000 --_000_BY2PR0201MB1910D3995DFEF23812F375F284770BY2PR0201MB1910_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks all for your replies. This WG adoption poll has ended, with the res= ult that the document will be adopted by the PCE working group. Authors, please resubmit this document as draft-ietf-pce-association-divers= ity-00 (with no other changes). As there were some comments during WG adop= tion, please address those comments and post any necessary updates in a ver= sion -01. Best regards Jon From: Jonathan Hardwick Sent: 11 January 2017 13:45 To: pce@ietf.org Cc: pce-chairs@ietf.org; 'draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity@ietf.or= g' Subject: Poll for adoption: draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity This is start of a two week poll on making draft-litkowski-pce-association-= diversity-01 a PCE working group document. https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity-01.txt Please review the draft and send an email to the list indicating "yes/suppo= rt" or "no/do not support". If indicating no, please state your reasons. = If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd like to see address= ed once the document is a WG document. The poll ends on Wednesday January 25. Thanks, Jon, JP and Julien --_000_BY2PR0201MB1910D3995DFEF23812F375F284770BY2PR0201MB1910_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks all for your re= plies.  This WG adoption poll has ended, with the result that the docu= ment will be adopted by the PCE working group.

 

Authors, please resubm= it this document as draft-ietf-pce-association-diversity-00 (with no other = changes).  As there were some comments during WG adoption, please addr= ess those comments and post any necessary updates in a version -01.

 

Best regards

Jon<= /p>

 

 

From: Jonathan Hardwick
Sent: 11 January 2017 13:45
To: pce@ietf.org
Cc: pce-chairs@ietf.org; 'draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity@= ietf.org' <draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity@ietf.org>
Subject: Poll for adoption: draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversit= y

 

This is start of a two week poll on making draft-lit= kowski-pce-association-diversity-01 a PCE working group document.

https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-litkowski-pc= e-association-diversity-01.txt

 

Please review the draft and send an email to the = list indicating “yes/support” or “no/do not support”= ;.  If indicating no, please state your reasons.  If yes, please = also feel free to provide comments you'd like to see addressed once the document is a WG document.

 

The poll ends on Wednesday January 25.=

 

Thanks,

Jon, JP and Julien

 

--_000_BY2PR0201MB1910D3995DFEF23812F375F284770BY2PR0201MB1910_-- From nobody Fri Jan 27 02:35:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F1AF129494; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 02:35:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.41.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148551334805.17974.351795453371405933.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 02:35:48 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-association-diversity-00.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 10:35:48 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element of the IETF. Title : Path Computation Element communication Protocol extension for signaling LSP diversity constraint Authors : Stephane Litkowski Siva Sivabalan Colby Barth Filename : draft-ietf-pce-association-diversity-00.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2017-01-27 Abstract: This document introduces a simple mechanism to signal path diversity for a group of Label Switched Paths (LSPs) via an extension to the Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-association-diversity/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-association-diversity-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Jan 27 23:55:05 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DCE7129444; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 23:55:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.017 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.017 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_COMMENT_SAVED_URL=1.391, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_HTML_ATTACH=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4-QFESN7MU-6; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 23:54:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D7421293FB; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 23:54:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml705-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DFJ29756; Sat, 28 Jan 2017 07:54:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from BLREML408-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.20.4.47) by lhreml705-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.168) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.301.0; Sat, 28 Jan 2017 07:54:47 +0000 Received: from BLREML501-MBB.china.huawei.com ([10.20.5.200]) by BLREML408-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.20.4.47]) with mapi id 14.03.0301.000; Sat, 28 Jan 2017 13:24:37 +0530 From: Dhruv Dhody To: "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , "'Jonathan Hardwick'" , "pce@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Pce] Poll for adoption: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-09 Thread-Index: AdJnZ5Q70JvzTR/tS1eyDhyWcO0DJQKMcZOAAeGIHYA= Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2017 07:54:36 +0000 Message-ID: <23CE718903A838468A8B325B80962F9B8CA6247C@blreml501-mbb> References: <04d801d271c7$75a51770$60ef4650$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <04d801d271c7$75a51770$60ef4650$@olddog.co.uk> Accept-Language: en-GB, zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.18.77.201] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_005_23CE718903A838468A8B325B80962F9B8CA6247Cblreml501mbb_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020204.588C4E4B.017C, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 23306873fab4aca67084db16cd5f7edb Archived-At: Cc: "draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth@ietf.org" , "pce-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pce] Poll for adoption: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-09 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2017 07:55:04 -0000 --_005_23CE718903A838468A8B325B80962F9B8CA6247Cblreml501mbb_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_23CE718903A838468A8B325B80962F9B8CA6247Cblreml501mbb_" --_000_23CE718903A838468A8B325B80962F9B8CA6247Cblreml501mbb_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Adrian, Thanks for your support and comments. Apologies for the delay in the reply.= See inline... From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel Sent: 19 January 2017 01:44 To: 'Jonathan Hardwick' ; pce@ietf.org Cc: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth@ietf.org; pce-chairs@ietf.o= rg Subject: Re: [Pce] Poll for adoption: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-ban= dwidth-09 Hi Jon, chairs, I think this is something we should be working on and I think that this dra= ft will be a reasonable starting point although I do have some issues for d= iscussion. I think we can handle the issues at any time (including after a= doption). Thanks, Adrian - - - - - - It might be nice if the Abstract gave a very simple explanation of "automatic bandwidth adjustment". You have text in the Introduction you could use. [Dhruv] Done! Automatic bandwidth adjustment allows automatic and dynamic adjustment of the reserved bandwidth allocation of an TE LSP based on the volume of traffic flowing through it. --- There are three bullets at the end of Section 1, but I lack the context to understand whether this is a list of possible approaches, a list of steps, or something else. [Dhruv] I reworded the text and converted into a paragraph. The PCC (head-end of the LSP) monitors the traffic flowing through the LSP and calculates the new adjusted bandwidth. The PCC reports the calculated bandwidth to be adjusted to the PCE. This is similar to a passive stateful PCE model, while the passive stateful PCE uses path request/reply mechanism, the active stateful PCE uses report/update mechanism to adjust the LSP bandwidth. In case of PCE- initiated LSP, the PCC is requested during the LSP initiation to monitor and calculate the new adjusted bandwidth. --- I note that this revision seems to have dropped the ability for a PCC to report samples to the PCE and have the PCE do all of the work of determining whether auth-bandwidth adjustments are needed/desirable before performing the various path computations. There is a clear benefit in pushing the responsibility for deciding when adjustments are needed to the PCC. This distributes the load of monitoring the LSPs down to the PCCs and frees up the PCE as well as reducing the load on PCEP communications. However, ... Exactly when to adjust an LSP (and the scaling consequences discussed in 4.3) could be better left to a PCE. That is, a PCE could be flexible in its interpretation of thresholds enabling it to trigger adjustment early if it believes there is a good reason (for example, doing a set of parallel recomputations) or late (for example, when it knows that an adjustment would be disruptive to the network and can see the changes that lead to an adjustment request). When this is delegated to the PCC, the PCC cannot see the impact on other LSPs, and the PCE cannot tell whether the request for adjust the LSP is critical or moderate. Clearly there are options and trade-offs, and different pain points. Was there a logic to this edit? [Dhruv] You are right, we have not dropped the model, only decided to pursu= e the second model in a different draft "draft-gandhi-pce-pm-04" which deal= s with reporting parameters to the PCE including bandwidth Utilizations, as= well as delay, jitter etc. This would be in-line with other RFCs in OSPF, = IS-IS and PCE which deals with these parameters together. (BTW - Having a way for the PCC to report measurements to the PCE does not necessarily imply using a PCRpt for that purpose.) [Dhruv] That is true. In this draft we are focusing on changes in PCEP. If PCE is using some othe= r mechanism to learn, it can still use the existing PCUpd mechanism to upda= te the bandwidth. Note that in 4.2 you have The PCEP peer which is in-charge of calculating the bandwidth to be adjusted, will adjust the bandwidth of the LSP to the highest sampled traffic rate (MaxAvgBw) amongst the set of bandwidth samples collected over the adjustment-interval. I think that *in*your*current*revision* "The PCEP peer" means "the PCC" and that "the PCC" is congruent to the "LSP head end". [Dhruv] Ack and Updated. Similarly, when you took text out in this revision, I think you missed updating 4.3 where you have... If a PCE gets overwhelmed, it can notify the PCC to temporarily suspend its auto-bandwidth reporting (see Section 5.6). ...yet the PCC does not (now) do auto-bandwidth reporting. [Dhruv] It is updated to "reporting of the new bandwidth to be adjusted" to= be clear. --- I think the table in Section 3 slightly misses the point. The statement "No new extensions are needed" is currently applied to "PCC Initiated", but I think there may be confusion in the delegated case. That is, once delegated, a PCC *could* send a request for adjustment, but neither the PCC nor the PCE may really be expecting that. They may expect something more similar to the PCE-initiated case. Thus, at the time of delegation, the PCE needs to be able to say "yes, delegated, but I want you to monitor the LSP with these parameters." Maybe, also, at the time of delegation the PCC should be letting the PCE know what monitoring it is planning on doing. [Dhruv] Agree and updated. --- 4.1 has... Auto-Bandwidth feature allows an LSP to automatically and dynamically adjust its reserved bandwidth over time, i.e. without network operator intervention. Well, of course, the LSP does no such thing. Probably the head-end LSR does that. [Dhruv] Ack. Updated to - Auto-Bandwidth feature allows automatic and dynamic adjustment of the reserved bandwidth of an LSP over time, i.e. without network operator intervention. --- Did you consider allowing a different Adjustment-Interval for adjustment up and adjustment down (with them defaulting to the same value)? [Dhruv] No, it is not supported by most of the vendors. They keep the same = interval but allow setting of different values for the overflow and underfl= ow threshold/count. Do you feel that this should be added? --- 4.2 has All thresholds in this document could be represented in both absolute value and percentage, and could be used together. I looked but couldn't find. If absolute and percentage are both supplied and imply different thresholds, which one is used? Could be as simple as "the first threshold hit", but this could lead to some flaps that are not obvious to someone staring at either the up/down percentage thresholds or at the up/down absolute values. [Dhruv] In section 5.2.3 (and similarly 5.2.5) states - An implementation MAY include both sub-TLVs for the absolute value and the percentage, in which case the bandwidth is adjusted when either of the adjustment threshold conditions are met. Which is similar to what you state. Do you suggest we add some guidelines to provide information on which thres= hold is met by logging? Or do you feel strongly about this and we should use only one format? --- 5.2 has For PCE-Initiated LSP ([I-D.ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp]), this TLV is included in the LSPA Object with PCInitiate message. For delegated LSPs, this TLV is carried in PCRpt message in LSPA Object. I *think* that a PCUpd can also carry these to allow a PCE to direct the PCC to use different parameters with the LSP. [Dhruv] Yes that should be clarified. I have added text. This was earlier m= entioned further down in the same section. --- 5.2 The TLV is encoded in all PCEP messages for the LSP till the auto bandwidth adjustment feature is enabled, the absence of the TLV indicate the PCEP speaker wish to disable the feature. Does this mean The TLV is encoded in all PCEP messages for the LSP while the auto bandwidth adjustment feature is enabled, the absence of the TLV indicate the PCEP speaker wish to disable the feature. ?? [Dhruv] Yes, updated. --- 5.2 Length: Variable How true! But what does it encode? [Dhruv] Ack and Updated. --- Do you need section 5.7 for PCUpd? [Dhruv] Added. --- You have... This document defines AUTO-BANDWIDTH-CAPABILITY TLV, AUTO-BANDWIDTH-ATTRIBUTE TLV which do not add any new security concerns beyond those discussed in [RFC5440] and [I-D.ietf-pce-stateful-pce]. Some deployments may find the reporting of the auto-bandwidth information as extra sensitive and thus SHOULD employ suitable PCEP security mechanisms like TCP-AO or [I-D.ietf-pce-pceps]. Are you sure there are no additional security concerns as stated in your first paragraph. Doesn't your second paragraph say that there *are* additional concerns: in particular that things be deduced from the fact of, the timing of, and the amount of adjustments? So even if the messages are protected from spoofing or modification, that wouldn't be enough. [Dhruv] You are right, updated. This document defines AUTO-BANDWIDTH-CAPABILITY TLV, AUTO-BANDWIDTH-ATTRIBUTE TLV which does not add any new security concerns beyond those discussed in [RFC5440] and [I-D.ietf-pce-stateful-pce] in itself. Some deployments may find the auto-bandwidth information as extra sensitive and could be used to influence path computation and setup with adverse effect. Additionally snooping of PCEP messages with such data or using PCEP messages for network reconnaissance, may give an attacker sensitive information about the operations of the network. Thus, such deployment should employ suitable PCEP security mechanisms like TCP Authentication Option (TCP-AO) [RFC5925] or [I-D.ietf-pce-pceps]. --- 7.2. Information and Data Models [RFC7420] describes the PCEP MIB, there are no new MIB Objects defined in this document. What you say is true. But do you think there is a need for an augmentation for the new features? What about YANG? [Dhruv] Updated. A Management Information Base (MIB) module for modeling PCEP is described in [RFC7420]. However, the preferred mechanism for configuration is through a YANG model [I-D.ietf-pce-pcep-yang]. This SHOULD be enhanced to provide controls and indicators for support of auto-bandwidth feature. Support for various configuration knobs as well as counters of messages sent/received containing the TLVs (defined in this document) should be added. --- 7.6. Impact On Network Operations Mechanisms defined in this document do not have any impact on network operations in addition to those already listed in [RFC5440]. Really? Haven't you described a mechanism specifically designed to change the way that the network is operated? Haven't you also described problems (and mitigations) that could cause PCC and PCE to be swamped? [Dhruv] Updated. In order to avoid any unacceptable impact on network operations, an implementation SHOULD allow a limit to be placed on the number of LSPs that can be enabled with auto-bandwidth feature, and MAY allow a limit to be placed on the rate of messages sent by a PCEP speaker and received from a peer related to auto-bandwidth. It MAY also allow sending a notification when the PCEP speaker is overwhelmed or a rate threshold is reached. --- 8.2 "IETF Consensus" is now called "IETF Review". You also need a reference to RFC 5226. [Dhruv] Ack. --- 8.3. AUTO-BANDWIDTH-ATTRIBUTE Sub-TLV You need to define the allocation policy for this new registry. [Dhruv] Added --- The absence of TBD2 and TBD3 is not critical, but cause IANA and the RFC editor to ask you a question. [Dhruv] Ack. Thanks again for your detailed review. I am attaching a diff. Regards, Dhruv From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hardwick Sent: 05 January 2017 15:24 To: pce@ietf.org Cc: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth@ietf.org; pce-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] Poll for adoption: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwid= th-09 All, This is start of a two week poll on making draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-aut= o-bandwidth-09 a PCE working group document. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidt= h/ Please review the draft and send an email to the list indicating "yes/suppo= rt" or "no/do not support". If indicating no, please state your reasons. = If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd like to see address= ed once the document is a WG document. The poll ends on Thursday January 19. Thanks, Jon, JP and Julien --_000_23CE718903A838468A8B325B80962F9B8CA6247Cblreml501mbb_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Adr= ian,

&= nbsp;

Thanks= for your support and comments. Apologies for the delay in the reply. See i= nline…

&= nbsp;

From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel
Sent: 19 January 2017 01:44
To: 'Jonathan Hardwick' <Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com>; pc= e@ietf.org
Cc: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth@ietf.org; pce-chairs= @ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Pce] Poll for adoption: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-a= uto-bandwidth-09

 

Hi Jon,= chairs,

&n= bsp;

I think= this is something we should be working on and I think that this draft will= be a reasonable starting point although I do have some issues for discussi= on.  I think we can handle the issues at any time (including after adoption).

&n= bsp;

Thanks,=

Adrian<= o:p>

&n= bsp;

- - - -= - -

&n= bsp;

It migh= t be nice if the Abstract gave a very simple explanation of 

"a= utomatic bandwidth adjustment". You have text in the Introduction

you cou= ld use.

&n= bsp;

[Dhruv]  Done!

 

Automatic bandwidt= h adjustment allows automatic and dynamic

adjustment of the = reserved bandwidth allocation of an TE LSP based on

the volume of traffic flowing through it.=

 

---

&n= bsp;

There a= re three bullets at the end of Section 1, but I lack the context=

to unde= rstand whether this is a list of possible approaches, a list of<= /span>

steps, = or something else.

 

 

[Dhruv] I reworded the text and c= onverted into a paragraph.

 

The PCC (head-end = of the LSP) monitors the traffic flowing through

the LSP and calcul= ates the new adjusted bandwidth.  The PCC reports

the calculated ban= dwidth to be adjusted to the PCE. This is similar

to a passive state= ful PCE model, while the passive stateful PCE uses

path request/reply= mechanism, the active stateful PCE uses

report/update mech= anism to adjust the LSP bandwidth. In case of PCE-

initiated LSP, the= PCC is requested during the LSP initiation to

monitor and calculate the new adjusted bandwid= th.

&n= bsp;

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&n= bsp;

I note = that this revision seems to have dropped the ability for a PCC

to repo= rt samples to the PCE and have the PCE do all of the work of

determi= ning whether auth-bandwidth adjustments are needed/desirable

before = performing the various path computations.

&n= bsp;

There i= s a clear benefit in pushing the responsibility for deciding when

adjustm= ents are needed to the PCC. This distributes the load of

monitor= ing the LSPs down to the PCCs and frees up the PCE as well as

reducin= g the load on PCEP communications. However, ...

&n= bsp;

Exactly= when to adjust an LSP (and the scaling consequences discussed in

4.3) co= uld be better left to a PCE. That is, a PCE could be flexible in=

its int= erpretation of thresholds enabling it to trigger adjustment early

if it b= elieves there is a good reason (for example, doing a set of

paralle= l recomputations) or late (for example, when it knows that an

adjustm= ent would be disruptive to the network and can see the changes

that le= ad to an adjustment request). When this is delegated to the PCC,=

the PCC= cannot see the impact on other LSPs, and the PCE cannot tell

whether= the request for adjust the LSP is critical or moderate.<= /p>

&n= bsp;

Clearly= there are options and trade-offs, and different pain points.

Was the= re a logic to this edit?

 

[Dhruv] You are right, we have no= t dropped the model, only decided to pursue the second model in a different= draft “draft-gandhi-pce-pm-04” which deals with reporting parameters to the PCE including bandwidth Utilizations, as well = as delay, jitter etc. This would be in-line with other RFCs in OSPF, IS-IS = and PCE which deals with these parameters together.  

 

(BTW - = Having a way for the PCC to report measurements to the PCE

does no= t necessarily imply using a PCRpt for that purpose.)

 

[Dhruv] That is true.

In this draft we are focusing on = changes in PCEP. If PCE is using some other mechanism to learn, it can stil= l use the existing PCUpd mechanism to update the bandwidth.

&n= bsp;

Note th= at in 4.2 you have

 &= nbsp; The PCEP

 &= nbsp; peer which is in-charge of calculating the bandwidth to be adjusted,<= o:p>

 &= nbsp; will adjust the bandwidth of the LSP to the highest sampled traffic

 &= nbsp; rate (MaxAvgBw) amongst the set of bandwidth samples collected over

 &= nbsp; the adjustment-interval.

I think= that *in*your*current*revision* "The PCEP peer" means "the = PCC"

and tha= t "the PCC" is congruent to the "LSP head end".

 

 

[Dhruv] Ack and Updated.

&n= bsp;

Similar= ly, when you took text out in this revision, I think you missed<= /span>

updatin= g 4.3 where you have...

 &= nbsp; If a PCE gets overwhelmed, it can notify the PCC to temporarily<= /o:p>

 &= nbsp; suspend its auto-bandwidth reporting (see Section 5.6).

...yet = the PCC does not (now) do auto-bandwidth reporting.

 

[Dhruv] It is updated to “r= eporting of the new bandwidth to be adjusted” to be clear.

&n= bsp;

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&n= bsp;

I think= the table in Section 3 slightly misses the point. The statement=

"N= o new extensions are needed" is currently applied to "PCC Initiat= ed",

but I t= hink there may be confusion in the delegated case. That is, once=

delegat= ed, a PCC *could* send a request for adjustment, but neither the=

PCC nor= the PCE may really be expecting that. They may expect something=

more si= milar to the PCE-initiated case. Thus, at the time of delegation,

the PCE= needs to be able to say "yes, delegated, but I want you to

monitor= the LSP with these parameters." Maybe, also, at the time of

delegat= ion the PCC should be letting the PCE know what monitoring it is=

plannin= g on doing.

 

 

[Dhruv] Agree and updated.

 

&n= bsp;

---

&n= bsp;

4.1 has= ...

 &= nbsp; Auto-Bandwidth feature allows an LSP to automatically and dynamically=

 &= nbsp; adjust its reserved bandwidth over time, i.e. without network

 &= nbsp; operator intervention.

Well, o= f course, the LSP does no such thing. Probably the head-end LSR<= /span>

does th= at.

 

[Dhruv] Ack. Updated to –

 

Auto-Bandwidth fea= ture allows automatic and dynamic adjustment of the

reserved bandwidth= of an LSP over time, i.e. without network operator

intervention.

&n= bsp;

---

&n= bsp;

Did you= consider allowing a different Adjustment-Interval for adjustment

up and = adjustment down (with them defaulting to the same value)?=

 

 

[Dhruv] No, it is not supported b= y most of the vendors. They keep the same interval but allow setting of dif= ferent values for the overflow and underflow threshold/count. Do you feel that this should be added?

&n= bsp;

---

&n= bsp;

4.2 has=

&n= bsp;

 &= nbsp; All thresholds in this document could be represented in both absolute=

 &= nbsp; value and percentage, and could be used together.

&n= bsp;

I looke= d but couldn't find. If absolute and percentage are both supplied

and imp= ly different thresholds, which one is used? Could be as simple as

"t= he first threshold hit", but this could lead to some flaps that are

not obv= ious to someone staring at either the up/down percentage

thresho= lds or at the up/down absolute values.

 

 

[Dhru= v] In section 5.2.3 (and similarly 5.2.5) states –

=  

= An implementation MAY include both

sub-TLVs for the a= bsolute value and the percentage, in which case the

bandwidth is adjus= ted when either of the adjustment threshold

  conditions are met.

&n= bsp;

Which is similar to what you stat= e.

Do you suggest we add some guidel= ines to provide information on which threshold is met by logging?

Or do you feel strongly about thi= s and we should use only one format?

 

---

&n= bsp;

5.2 has=

 &= nbsp; For PCE-Initiated LSP ([I-D.ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp]), this TLV is=

 &= nbsp; included in the LSPA Object with PCInitiate message.  For delega= ted

 &= nbsp; LSPs, this TLV is carried in PCRpt message in LSPA Object.  = ; 

I *thin= k* that a PCUpd can also carry these to allow a PCE to direct the

PCC to = use different parameters with the LSP.

&n= bsp;

[Dhruv] Yes that should be clarif= ied. I have added text. This was earlier mentioned further down in the same= section.

---

&n= bsp;

5.2

 &= nbsp; The TLV is encoded in all PCEP messages for the LSP till the auto

 &= nbsp; bandwidth adjustment feature is enabled, the absence of the TLV<= /o:p>

 &= nbsp; indicate the PCEP speaker wish to disable the feature.  

Does th= is mean

 &= nbsp; The TLV is encoded in all PCEP messages for the LSP while the auto

 &= nbsp; bandwidth adjustment feature is enabled, the absence of the TLV<= /o:p>

 &= nbsp; indicate the PCEP speaker wish to disable the feature.  

??=

&n= bsp;

[Dhruv] Yes, updated.

---

&n= bsp;

5.2

 &= nbsp; Length: Variable

How tru= e!

But wha= t does it encode?

 

 

[Dhruv] Ack and Updated.

&n= bsp;

---

&n= bsp;

Do you = need section 5.7 for PCUpd?

 

 

[Dhruv] Added.

&n= bsp;

---

&n= bsp;

You hav= e...

  = This document defines AUTO-BANDWIDTH-CAPABILITY TLV,

 &= nbsp; AUTO-BANDWIDTH-ATTRIBUTE TLV which do not add any new security

 &= nbsp; concerns beyond those discussed in [RFC5440] and

 &= nbsp; [I-D.ietf-pce-stateful-pce].

&n= bsp;

 &= nbsp; Some deployments may find the reporting of the auto-bandwidth

 &= nbsp; information as extra sensitive and thus SHOULD employ suitable PCEP

 &= nbsp; security mechanisms like TCP-AO or [I-D.ietf-pce-pceps].

&n= bsp;

Are you= sure there are no additional security concerns as stated in

your fi= rst paragraph. Doesn't your second paragraph say that there

*are* a= dditional concerns: in particular that things be deduced from the

fact of= , the timing of, and the amount of adjustments? So even if the

message= s are protected from spoofing or modification, that wouldn't be<= /span>

enough.=

 

[Dhruv] You are right, updated.

 

   AUTO-= BANDWIDTH-ATTRIBUTE TLV which does not add any new security

   conce= rns beyond those discussed in [RFC5440] and

   [I-D.= ietf-pce-stateful-pce] in itself. Some deployments may find the<= /span>

   auto-= bandwidth information as extra sensitive and could be used to

   influ= ence path computation and setup with adverse effect.

   = Additionally snooping of PCEP messages with such data or using PCEP

   messa= ges for network reconnaissance, may give an attacker sensitive

   infor= mation about the operations of the network. Thus, such

   deplo= yment should employ suitable PCEP security mechanisms like TCP

    Authentication Option (TCP-= AO) [RFC5925] or [I-D.ietf-pce-pceps].

&n= bsp;

---

&n= bsp;

7.2.&nb= sp; Information and Data Models

&n= bsp;

 &= nbsp; [RFC7420] describes the PCEP MIB, there are no new MIB Objects

 &= nbsp; defined in this document.

&n= bsp;

What yo= u say is true. But do you think there is a need for an

augment= ation for the new features?

&n= bsp;

What ab= out YANG?

 

 

[Dhruv] Updated.  

 

   descr= ibed in [RFC7420]. However, the preferred mechanism for

   confi= guration is through a YANG model [I-D.ietf-pce-pcep-yang]. This<= /span>

   SHOUL= D be enhanced to provide controls and indicators for support of<= /span>

   auto-= bandwidth feature. Support for various configuration knobs as

   well = as counters of messages sent/received containing the TLVs=

   (defined in this document) should= be added.

&n= bsp;

---

&n= bsp;

7.6.&nb= sp; Impact On Network Operations

&n= bsp;

 &= nbsp; Mechanisms defined in this document do not have any impact on network=

 &= nbsp; operations in addition to those already listed in [RFC5440].

&n= bsp;

Really?=

Haven't= you described a mechanism specifically designed to change the

way tha= t the network is operated? Haven't you also described problems

(and mi= tigations) that could cause PCC and PCE to be swamped?

&n= bsp;

[Dhruv] Updated.  

 

   imple= mentation SHOULD allow a limit to be placed on the number of

   LSPs = that can be enabled with auto-bandwidth feature, and MAY allow a=

   limit= to be placed on the rate of messages sent by a PCEP speaker and=

   recei= ved from a peer related to auto-bandwidth. It MAY also allow

   sendi= ng a notification when the PCEP speaker is overwhelmed or a rate=

    threshold is reached.<= /o:p>

---

&n= bsp;

8.2

&n= bsp;

"I= ETF Consensus" is now called "IETF Review". You also need a = reference

to RFC = 5226.

&n= bsp;

[Dhruv] Ack.

---

&n= bsp;

8.3.&nb= sp; AUTO-BANDWIDTH-ATTRIBUTE Sub-TLV

&n= bsp;

You nee= d to define the allocation policy for this new registry.<= /p>

 

[Dhruv] Added

&n= bsp;

---

&n= bsp;

The abs= ence of TBD2 and TBD3 is not critical, but cause IANA and the

RFC edi= tor to ask you a question.

 

[Dhruv] Ack.

 

Thanks again for your detailed re= view. I am attaching a diff.

 

Regards,

Dhruv

&n= bsp;

&n= bsp;

From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hardwick
Sent: 05 January 2017 15:24
To: pce@ietf.org
Cc: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth@ietf.org; pce-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [Pce] Poll for adoption: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-= bandwidth-09

 

All,

 

This is start of a two week = poll on making draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-09 a PCE working= group document.

https://datat= racker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth/

 

Please review the draft and = send an email to the list indicating “yes/support” or “no= /do not support”.  If indicating no, please state your reasons.&= nbsp; If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd like to see addressed once the document is a WG document.

 

The poll ends on Thursday Ja= nuary 19.

 

Thanks,

Jon, JP and Julien

 

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X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2017 17:04:55 -0000 Hey Dhruv, Thanks for the careful response. I've snipped down to couple of points. Best, Adrian >> I note that this revision seems to have dropped the ability for a PCC >> to report samples to the PCE and have the PCE do all of the work of >> determining whether auth-bandwidth adjustments are needed/desirable >> before performing the various path computations. [snip] > [Dhruv] You are right, we have not dropped the model, only decided to = pursue > the second model in a different draft =93draft-gandhi-pce-pm-04=94 = which deals > with reporting parameters to the PCE including bandwidth Utilizations, = as well > as delay, jitter etc. This would be in-line with other RFCs in OSPF, = IS-IS and PCE > which deals with these parameters together. =A0 OK. Understood. Maybe a simple note and pointer to the other I-D = (Informative reference) would be helpful and stop future reviewers asking similar = questions. >> --- >> Did you consider allowing a different Adjustment-Interval for = adjustment >> up and adjustment down (with them defaulting to the same value)? > > [Dhruv] No, it is not supported by most of the vendors. ROFL It's not even a WG draft yet. > They keep the same interval but allow setting of different values for = the > overflow and underflow threshold/count. Do you feel that this should > be added?=20 Not sure. If I was writing the code, I would certainly have used two = different timers because that is cheap and easy and flexible. Whether I would have = exposed both as configurable in the first release is debatable. If I was deploying I think I would want to experiment with making = changes more sticky in one direction than in the other direction. How important that = is might depend on how expensive it is to increase b/w once it has been reduced, = and how likely it is that an increase might fail. >>--- >> 4.2 has >> >> All thresholds in this document could be represented in both absolute >> value and percentage, and could be used together. >> >> I looked but couldn't find. If absolute and percentage are both = supplied >> and imply different thresholds, which one is used? Could be as simple = as >> "the first threshold hit", but this could lead to some flaps that are = >> not obvious to someone staring at either the up/down percentage=20 >> thresholds or at the up/down absolute values. > > [Dhruv] In section 5.2.3 (and similarly 5.2.5) states =96=20 > > An implementation MAY include both > sub-TLVs for the absolute value and the percentage, in which case the > bandwidth is adjusted when either of the adjustment threshold >=A0 conditions are met. > > Which is similar to what you state.=20 > Do you suggest we add some guidelines to provide information on which > threshold is met by logging?=20 > Or do you feel strongly about this and we should use only one format?=20 I think that this may be flexibility too far. I can't see a way that = this would break anything, but might lead to "unexpected" results. For example... Up % =3D 1% Down % =3D 10% Up absolute =3D 1 GB Down absolute =3D 1 MB This would cause wibbles, but maybe that is what the operator has asked = for. But maybe nothing more to say. From nobody Sun Jan 29 08:14:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD0E9129431; Sun, 29 Jan 2017 08:14:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.41.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148570649083.853.3537090108810667378.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 08:14:50 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-01.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 16:14:51 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element of the IETF. Title : PCEP Extensions for MPLS-TE LSP Automatic Bandwidth Adjustment with Stateful PCE Authors : Dhruv Dhody Udayasree Palle Ravi Singh Rakesh Gandhi Luyuan Fang Filename : draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-01.txt Pages : 26 Date : 2017-01-29 Abstract: The Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) provides mechanisms for Path Computation Elements (PCEs) to perform path computations in response to Path Computation Clients (PCCs) requests. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sun Jan 29 08:17:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 332BF129555; Sun, 29 Jan 2017 08:17:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.42 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.42 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cW38jiMTG8UG; Sun, 29 Jan 2017 08:17:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E55E2129513; Sun, 29 Jan 2017 08:17:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id CZR13897; Sun, 29 Jan 2017 16:17:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from BLREML405-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.20.4.41) by lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.130) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.301.0; Sun, 29 Jan 2017 16:17:06 +0000 Received: from BLREML501-MBB.china.huawei.com ([10.20.5.200]) by BLREML405-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.20.4.41]) with mapi id 14.03.0301.000; Sun, 29 Jan 2017 21:46:34 +0530 From: Dhruv Dhody To: "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , "'Jonathan Hardwick'" , "pce@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Pce] Poll for adoption: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-09 Thread-Index: AdJnZ5Q70JvzTR/tS1eyDhyWcO0DJQKMcZOAAeGIHYAADsFGgAA7Caow Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 16:16:33 +0000 Message-ID: <23CE718903A838468A8B325B80962F9B8CA62780@blreml501-mbb> References: <04d801d271c7$75a51770$60ef4650$@olddog.co.uk> <23CE718903A838468A8B325B80962F9B8CA6247C@blreml501-mbb> <082c01d27988$9c30e950$d492bbf0$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <082c01d27988$9c30e950$d492bbf0$@olddog.co.uk> Accept-Language: en-GB, zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.18.79.122] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A090204.588E1584.002E, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: f68355c07288afdbcadd6c15ed319cc3 Archived-At: Cc: "draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth@ietf.org" , "pce-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pce] Poll for adoption: draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-09 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 16:17:13 -0000 Hi Adrian,=20 Thanks for your further response. I have uploaded a new version with two is= sues open.=20 Please see inline.=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] > Sent: 28 January 2017 22:35 > To: Dhruv Dhody ; 'Jonathan Hardwick' > ; pce@ietf.org > Cc: pce-chairs@ietf.org; > draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [Pce] Poll for adoption: > draft-dhody-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-09 >=20 > Hey Dhruv, >=20 > Thanks for the careful response. >=20 > I've snipped down to couple of points. >=20 > Best, > Adrian >=20 > >> I note that this revision seems to have dropped the ability for a PCC > >> to report samples to the PCE and have the PCE do all of the work of > >> determining whether auth-bandwidth adjustments are needed/desirable > >> before performing the various path computations. >=20 > [snip] >=20 > > [Dhruv] You are right, we have not dropped the model, only decided to > > pursue the second model in a different draft "draft-gandhi-pce-pm-04" > > which deals with reporting parameters to the PCE including bandwidth > > Utilizations, as well as delay, jitter etc. This would be in-line with > > other RFCs in OSPF, IS-IS and > PCE > > which deals with these parameters together. >=20 > OK. Understood. Maybe a simple note and pointer to the other I-D (Informa= tive > reference) would be helpful and stop future reviewers asking similar > questions. >=20 [Dhruv] Done!=20 > >> --- > >> Did you consider allowing a different Adjustment-Interval for > >> adjustment up and adjustment down (with them defaulting to the same va= lue)? > > > > [Dhruv] No, it is not supported by most of the vendors. >=20 > ROFL > It's not even a WG draft yet. >=20 [Dhruv] :) I meant, for the existing implementation of auto-bandwidth featu= re with local CSPF. Anyways... =20 > > They keep the same interval but allow setting of different values for > > the overflow and underflow threshold/count. Do you feel that this > > should be added? >=20 > Not sure. If I was writing the code, I would certainly have used two diff= erent > timers because that is cheap and easy and flexible. Whether I would have > exposed both as configurable in the first release is debatable. >=20 > If I was deploying I think I would want to experiment with making changes > more sticky in one direction than in the other direction. How important t= hat > is might depend on how expensive it is to increase b/w once it has been r= educed, > and how likely it is that an increase might fail. >=20 [Dhruv] Understood. I will keep this point open in the current version and = gather feedback from my co-authors as well as operators, before updating. = =20 > >>--- > >> 4.2 has > >> > >> All thresholds in this document could be represented in both absolute > >> value and percentage, and could be used together. > >> > >> I looked but couldn't find. If absolute and percentage are both > >> supplied and imply different thresholds, which one is used? Could be > >> as simple as "the first threshold hit", but this could lead to some > >> flaps that are not obvious to someone staring at either the up/down > >> percentage thresholds or at the up/down absolute values. > > > > [Dhruv] In section 5.2.3 (and similarly 5.2.5) states - > > > > An implementation MAY include both > > sub-TLVs for the absolute value and the percentage, in which case the > >bandwidth is adjusted when either of the adjustment threshold > >=A0 conditions are met. > > > > Which is similar to what you state. > > Do you suggest we add some guidelines to provide information on which > > threshold is met by logging? > > Or do you feel strongly about this and we should use only one format? >=20 > I think that this may be flexibility too far. I can't see a way that this > would break anything, but might lead to "unexpected" results. For example= ... >=20 > Up % =3D 1% > Down % =3D 10% > Up absolute =3D 1 GB > Down absolute =3D 1 MB >=20 > This would cause wibbles, but maybe that is what the operator has asked f= or. >=20 > But maybe nothing more to say. >=20 >=20 [Dhruv] Personally I am fine either way. I will update once I get a confirm= ation from my co-authors.=20 Thanks again for your reviews.=20 Regards, Dhruv=20