From nobody Wed Mar 1 02:30:38 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EAF21294F2 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2017 02:29:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ydFEKV4jYrWb for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2017 02:29:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9BEE6128824 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2017 02:29:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 91F6AB8107B; Wed, 1 Mar 2017 02:29:53 -0800 (PST) To: jpv@cisco.com, jeanlouis.leroux@orange-ftgroup.com, akatlas@gmail.com, db3546@att.com, aretana@cisco.com, jonathan.hardwick@metaswitch.com, jpv@cisco.com, julien.meuric@orange.com X-PHP-Originating-Script: 30:errata_mail_lib.php From: RFC Errata System Message-Id: <20170301102953.91F6AB8107B@rfc-editor.org> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 02:29:53 -0800 (PST) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 01 Mar 2017 02:30:37 -0800 Cc: pce@ietf.org, text/plain@rfc-editor.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.orgContent-Type, afarrel@juniper.net, charset=UTF-8@rfc-editor.org Subject: [Pce] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC5440 (4956) X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2017 10:29:59 -0000 The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5440, "Path Computation Element (PCE) Communication Protocol (PCEP)". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5440&eid=4956 -------------------------------------- Type: Editorial Reported by: Adrian Farrel Section: 9.3 Original Text ------------- Corrected Text -------------- Notes ----- This section does not tell IANA the range for the Object-Types to be registered for each Object-Class, nor what to do with the values not assigned in this document. IANA has correctly recognised that the top value is 15, and that the values between those shown here and 15 should be marked as "Unassigned." However, there is confusion over the value 0 for an Object-Type. The old entries (arising from RFC 5440) do not mention 0. Newer entries for RFC 7470 and several I-Ds in the pipe mark 0 as Unassigned. For consistency, ALL 0 Object-Types should be marked "Reserved". (This might need an Errata Report against some other RFCs if you are particularly fussy, but I think we can do it all on this report.) Instructions: ------------- This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. -------------------------------------- RFC5440 (draft-ietf-pce-pcep-19) -------------------------------------- Title : Path Computation Element (PCE) Communication Protocol (PCEP) Publication Date : March 2009 Author(s) : JP. Vasseur, Ed., JL. Le Roux, Ed. Category : PROPOSED STANDARD Source : Path Computation Element Area : Routing Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From nobody Wed Mar 1 02:46:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75F32129481; Wed, 1 Mar 2017 02:45:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9hKGtWNLJLDl; Wed, 1 Mar 2017 02:45:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (asmtp2.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.249]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FB79128B38; Wed, 1 Mar 2017 02:45:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v21AjqOY008036; Wed, 1 Mar 2017 10:45:53 GMT Received: from 950129200 ([176.241.251.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v21AjmND007873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 1 Mar 2017 10:45:50 GMT From: "Adrian Farrel" To: , References: <20170301102953.91F6AB8107B@rfc-editor.org> In-Reply-To: <20170301102953.91F6AB8107B@rfc-editor.org> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 10:45:45 -0000 Message-ID: <051c01d29278$fe0ea870$fa2bf950$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQKxCW6E3Z0RTrbBt7XIjotCrRcr2Z/C3KAQ Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.1.0.1062-22914.006 X-TM-AS-Result: No--16.410-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--16.410-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: gjZGo2H/wj++9Go4BgFPZrU+IyHhkXf1QZXZg2I8JaZjO6DgT78oRZrt SdDRAyM+TGcP5NqJXx/HSHHTD75S5lWvXViLHnx3ws9cphnKwlHuHZGuwo6K7b0rWM4nIpJrE7L U8DtRFAD4wXsjg8XnKsrwwM67bcRV/rLeCVcPyeC1iGPZya8XhsWmFF22SfTeRq/Bt79tzN+ngZ ilSHWrT01i8No7236czde2f0e2yRxcSWfGD61zQfVFR4sC8dPyGbJMFqqIm9wQICTU2b8F2QB71 tCo2/1BxV8JyCZckKL+lJje/s5JwrhwokiLwJxbdmhRVoZE90Bu/Xr6CKXiN4wu2h+tn8c2Wrvr tnfQ0rgO1eozpdHlErkHrrFzEfAGrCnez62PEcq8coKUcaOOvVAI6wCVrE3vgrAXgr/AjP0klQ1 z0Pp6n02VeB+pSdNp2MeMv+72M8SYO0IZ/mjynxfY306nA3boj5hUmqusTPgNmPMcsvd5Fg42cI 60OgkFslVouE/7acIeYZj+jjPzyU1+zyfzlN7y/sToY2qzpx6x5amWK2anSPoLR4+zsDTtICGtr jObpPILQWMTpzR0XhRglk7uDBRUvRe/J9L+1sp0C8X1dAlpMY4p6wJP5WQZ Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC5440 (4956) X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2017 10:45:58 -0000 Looking at the IANA section for draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext-12.txt which is in flight with the IANA team, we discovered that the Object-Type value of 0 is not mentioned in nearly every entry at https://www.iana.org/assignments/pcep/pcep.xhtml#pcep-objects Looking back at RFC 5440 (and at some more recent RFCs) I think the intention was that an Object-Type of 0 should not be used (perhaps the first PCEP implementation was written in Pascal?). Thus, this Errata Report proposes that IANA be instructed to mark ALL Object-Type 0 entries as "Reserved". Largely speaking, this just fills in missing information, but it changes the 0 values for: LSP draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce (0 currently "Unassigned") SRP draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce (0 currently "Unassigned") VENDOR-INFORMATION RFC 7470 (0 is "Unassigned") BU draft-ietf-pce-pcep-service-aware (0 currently "Unassigned") It would also be wise to mark the unassigned Object Classes to read... OLD 36-255 Unassigned 1-15: Unassigned NEW 36-255 Unassigned 0: Reserved 1-15: Unassigned Since two of these documents are in late-stage RFC Editor processing, I suggest the ADs would do well to act SOON. Adrian > -----Original Message----- > From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of RFC Errata System > Sent: 01 March 2017 10:30 > To: jpv@cisco.com; jeanlouis.leroux@orange-ftgroup.com; akatlas@gmail.com; > db3546@att.com; aretana@cisco.com; jonathan.hardwick@metaswitch.com; > jpv@cisco.com; julien.meuric@orange.com > Cc: pce@ietf.org; text/plain@rfc-editor.org; rfc-editor@rfc-editor.orgContent- > Type; afarrel@juniper.net; charset=UTF-8@rfc-editor.org > Subject: [Pce] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC5440 (4956) > > The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5440, > "Path Computation Element (PCE) Communication Protocol (PCEP)". > > -------------------------------------- > You may review the report below and at: > http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5440&eid=4956 > > -------------------------------------- > Type: Editorial > Reported by: Adrian Farrel > > Section: 9.3 > > Original Text > ------------- > > > Corrected Text > -------------- > > > Notes > ----- > This section does not tell IANA the range for the Object-Types to be registered > for each Object-Class, nor what to do with the values not assigned in this > document. > > IANA has correctly recognised that the top value is 15, and that the values > between those shown here and 15 should be marked as "Unassigned." > > However, there is confusion over the value 0 for an Object-Type. The old entries > (arising from RFC 5440) do not mention 0. Newer entries for RFC 7470 and several > I-Ds in the pipe mark 0 as Unassigned. > > For consistency, ALL 0 Object-Types should be marked "Reserved". > > (This might need an Errata Report against some other RFCs if you are particularly > fussy, but I think we can do it all on this report.) > > Instructions: > ------------- > This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please > use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or > rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party > can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. > > -------------------------------------- > RFC5440 (draft-ietf-pce-pcep-19) > -------------------------------------- > Title : Path Computation Element (PCE) Communication Protocol (PCEP) > Publication Date : March 2009 > Author(s) : JP. Vasseur, Ed., JL. Le Roux, Ed. > Category : PROPOSED STANDARD > Source : Path Computation Element > Area : Routing > Stream : IETF > Verifying Party : IESG > > _______________________________________________ > Pce mailing list > Pce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce From nobody Thu Mar 2 00:04:16 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E22CB1294A8 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2017 00:04:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.222 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.222 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5vZvm0F2C6nw for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2017 00:04:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 39A0E1294AC for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2017 00:04:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DID42746; Thu, 02 Mar 2017 08:04:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from BLREML407-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.20.4.45) by lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.45) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.301.0; Thu, 2 Mar 2017 08:04:07 +0000 Received: from BLREML501-MBB.china.huawei.com ([10.20.5.200]) by BLREML407-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.20.4.45]) with mapi id 14.03.0301.000; Thu, 2 Mar 2017 13:33:55 +0530 From: Dhruv Dhody To: "pce@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Update to PCEP-LS Thread-Index: AdKTKxCQgMy1sF84T6GXz7FDl5ly5Q== Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 08:03:55 +0000 Message-ID: <23CE718903A838468A8B325B80962F9B8CA7BF20@blreml501-mbb> Accept-Language: en-GB, zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.18.149.39] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020204.58B7D1F9.0078, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 932ae9faa4cb1fd4970e964fbec51757 Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] Update to PCEP-LS X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2017 08:04:15 -0000 Hi WG,=20 Ramon provided comments on the PCEP-LS based on his implementation experien= ce. Thanks Ramon.=20 There are some changes in the draft - https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draf= t-dhodylee-pce-pcep-ls/=20 * Clarification of TLV format=20 * Protocol-ID for Unspecified, PCEP-LS and Reserved (0) added The email discussion is included below -=20 Regards, Dhruv >Hi Dhruv, Young > >I have started to implement a subset of PCEPLS and -- still lacking an >in-depth analysis -- I have a couple of questions (sorry if they are >obvious): > >- How do you withdraw a link / node (as in MP_UNREACH_NLRI). Section >9.2.10 refers to remove an attribute (I am still trying to understand the= =20 >case where I need to remove an attribute, in our use cases, we announce a= =20 >link, update its attributes, and we may withdraw it, but it is strange to= =20 >remove an attribute. Maybe it will come more natural when we get more=20 >insight on incremental updates). I considered sending an LS object with al= l=20 >the attributes following Sect 9.2.10 but I am not convinced. I was expecti= ng=20 >something like a flag in the LS object where I need to indicate e.g. the=20 >link descriptors and it conveys end-of-lifetime for the link/node. > [Dhruv]: Yes you are right, we have the R flag in LS object.=20 o R (Remove - 1 bit): On LSRpt messages the R Flag indicates that the node/link/prefix has been removed from the PCC and the PCE SHOULD remove from its database. Upon receiving an LS Report with the R Flag set to 1, the PCE SHOULD remove all state for the node/link/prefix identified by the LS Identifiers from its database. And only to remove an attribute, we use -=20 9.2.10. Removal of an Attribute One of a key objective of PCEP-LS is to encode and carry only the impacted attributes of a Node, a Link or a Prefix. To accommodate this requirement, incase of a removal of an attribute, the sub-TLV MUST be included with no 'value' field and length=3D0 to indicate that the attribute is removed. On receiving a sub-TLV with zero length, the receiver removes the attribute from the database. >- Much like in BGPLS I am lacking the ability to know the switching=20 >capability of a link (generalizing, ISCD / IACD). Is this intentional,=20 >focusing on packet switching? [Dhruv]: This is covered in - https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lee-pce-pce= p-ls-optical-00 [Ramon]: Thanks Dhruv, that was useful. Thanks for the pointer to optical (= works for us, but I was hoping to find ISCD Swcap etc. in a wider GMPLS awa= re context ;) In an "ideal world" I would have assumed pcepls pcepls-gmpls [or even inte= rgated both, but it was not the case with RFC5440, and pcepls-optical but I= MHO you can leave it as is :-) >- A small nit for me (ignore) is in RBNF I like to see ::=3D=20 > [ ] > >so seeing ::=3D [ ] has been=20 >"mentally" translated to > > ::=3D [ ] > ::=3D > >(I am aware both are equivalent and this is so common in RFC that I just=20 >deal with it...) [Dhruv]: As you noted we have a mixed bad, I would like to keep it as it is= for now!=20 [Ramon]: Sure,no need to change now. It may be likely that other objects ar= e added in the future (?) >- Typo Sect. 9.2.2 Tho allow -> To allow [Dhruv]: Ack >- I would be explicit in quoting RFC5440 in the TLV format and, more=20 >importantly, I would clearly state that the same TLV format is used for=20 >sub-TLVs (unless I missed it) specially with potential confusion reusing=20 >BGP-LS ? > >- In page 23 the table mentions BGP-LS TLV but only mentions the BGP_LS=20 >TLV for a few of them? On that note... It is fine either way, but I am=20 >curious on why not aligning with the actual values as well? [Dhruv]: We decided to point to IS-IS TLV when that exist, and for new TLVs= that were newly created in BGP-LS to point there.=20 We could point to BGP-LS for all, but BGP-LS would itself point to IS-IS ad= ding one more indirection :) [Ramon]: Not a big deal, alternatively you could consider putting the BGP-L= S TLV id for all, so from needing to consult IS-IS refs :) [Dhruv]: I wish there was more space in the table for me to do that!=20 > OTOH, this is not addressing why not pick the same values of TLVs as BGP = has? (I am fine with any value, but this question is a FAQ) [Dhruv]: With hindsight, yes that could have been done. But at the same tim= e since the padding/length rules are different between BGP and PCEP, one mu= st encode/decode these TLVs independently and maintaining an loose link be= tween them is better.=20 > >- Personally, I would like a protocol_id of 0, unspecified, because I am=20 >exporting a TED that is acutally constructed by multiple mechanisms. [Dhruv]: Correct, I have updated 0 as reserved (similar to BGP-LS). Is that= okay?=20 [Ramon]: I was thinking more of a "I don't care" value instead of a "reserv= ed" one (which I cannot use). But since BGP-LS has a "reserved" better stic= k to it. In other words, I may need to advertise a TED to a p-PCE where the= child PCE has constructed the TED from multiple sources without keeping tr= ack of it. Additionally, would you include a "pcep-ls" identifier? since you are consi= dering bpg-ls, why not pcep-ls? I am guessing recursive architectures or ev= en the parent PCE advertising the TED to a third party, with the p-PCE havi= ng learnt the topology=20 [Dhruv]: Added - Unspecified, PCEP-LS, Reserved.=20 > > >Surely more will come later ;) > >Best regards >Ramon From nobody Thu Mar 2 13:22:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51A0B129653; Thu, 2 Mar 2017 13:22:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.203 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.203 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gI3xRe41jbps; Thu, 2 Mar 2017 13:22:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15549120724; Thu, 2 Mar 2017 13:22:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 0A2ECB8204F; Thu, 2 Mar 2017 13:22:49 -0800 (PST) To: afarrel@juniper.net, jpv@cisco.com, jeanlouis.leroux@orange-ftgroup.com X-PHP-Originating-Script: 30:errata_mail_lib.php From: RFC Errata System Message-Id: <20170302212249.0A2ECB8204F@rfc-editor.org> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 13:22:49 -0800 (PST) Archived-At: Cc: text/plain@rfc-editor.org, charset=UTF-8@rfc-editor.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.orgContent-Type, pce@ietf.org, iesg@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] [Errata Verified] RFC5440 (4956) X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2017 21:22:50 -0000 The following errata report has been verified for RFC5440, "Path Computation Element (PCE) Communication Protocol (PCEP)". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5440&eid=4956 -------------------------------------- Status: Verified Type: Editorial Reported by: Adrian Farrel Date Reported: 2017-03-01 Verified by: Deborah Brungard (IESG) Section: 9.3 Original Text ------------- Corrected Text -------------- Notes ----- This section does not tell IANA the range for the Object-Types to be registered for each Object-Class, nor what to do with the values not assigned in this document. IANA has correctly recognised that the top value is 15, and that the values between those shown here and 15 should be marked as "Unassigned." However, there is confusion over the value 0 for an Object-Type. The old entries (arising from RFC 5440) do not mention 0. Newer entries for RFC 7470 and several I-Ds in the pipe mark 0 as Unassigned. For consistency, ALL 0 Object-Types should be marked "Reserved". (This might need an Errata Report against some other RFCs if you are particularly fussy, but I think we can do it all on this report.) -------------------------------------- RFC5440 (draft-ietf-pce-pcep-19) -------------------------------------- Title : Path Computation Element (PCE) Communication Protocol (PCEP) Publication Date : March 2009 Author(s) : JP. Vasseur, Ed., JL. Le Roux, Ed. Category : PROPOSED STANDARD Source : Path Computation Element Area : Routing Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From nobody Thu Mar 2 14:06:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0370812965D; Thu, 2 Mar 2017 14:06:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.62 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.62 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TA0r9KL4gfcO; Thu, 2 Mar 2017 14:06:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (asmtp1.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.248]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA102127076; Thu, 2 Mar 2017 14:06:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v22M5J7T009227; Thu, 2 Mar 2017 22:05:19 GMT Received: from 950129200 ([176.241.250.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v22M5Cuk009167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 2 Mar 2017 22:05:18 GMT From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A'" , , References: <20170301102953.91F6AB8107B@rfc-editor.org> <051c01d29278$fe0ea870$fa2bf950$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 22:05:10 -0000 Message-ID: <009901d293a1$13aa20a0$3afe61e0$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQKxCW6E3Z0RTrbBt7XIjotCrRcr2QHLlK5lAvYsCL+fnyCOkA== Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.1.0.1062-22918.003 X-TM-AS-Result: No--31.769-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--31.769-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: cxtZ8fwm3r+nykMun0J1wvzGgRFl5KWU9ISHwCrIdS8SgFpygcAX/5Bd izFox+J0+SvER6O0r5ssNm0J+q5LsNcUNjoF7YuVy18e5+drKgb429XtOfGeyrV5fSMRD1zqeM1 47MryH35lgb6w9ka1K9b0//bXvhi6j56IjTnLR+n+OTCJja0mcpY2vB9vav+tYzqlAJ20l4n26S E7G7MNiBIfN89RbqS9BfLlABwNVzjdM4TtXgVTNLbQFsbjObJekFv5mNlgMIOqwZnXbxgYm2lF7 OhYLlcteBYaRewfOXlPn1I0hklnc1ReggIkbjkiWteDSXCrUTRflOpBqBHTtxAgJNTZvwXZ4MZE pBAfSmKaBseApN9OtVDk9kJO2UVwtcCPfkIwcq57k1ZHmKLF7cnlJe2gk8vIN15VVRl9DpHMe5S rEnbSPIRT6XLu6hshvzSxIsufb9PuHXE92Wk6HEKcYi5Qw/RVl0+NZmn0J7izsWvjM94wd20tky t7B3wuWmJwRzc3pz1NUZn7Nqk7LenOhl8kAE66EPf7TDUOGooLitYSIrUiB+dTjSOFC/vqo8WMk QWv6iV95l0nVeyiuFig9kCpMEfCpcrytEMil+XEQdG7H66TyOk/y0w7JiZo Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC5440 (4956) X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2017 22:06:05 -0000 Thanks, very timely. I think you need to pass this on to IANA and ask them to act. Explicit communication needed because they don't follow Errata. Adrian > -----Original Message----- > From: BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A [mailto:db3546@att.com] > Sent: 02 March 2017 21:25 > To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; pce@ietf.org; rtg-ads@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [Pce] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC5440 (4956) > > Hi Adrian, > > Much thanks for the catch. I've verified - hopefully this meets your criteria for > SOON as I would not want to be an example in your draft:-) > > Deborah > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 5:46 AM > > To: pce@ietf.org; rtg-ads@ietf.org > > Subject: RE: [Pce] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC5440 (4956) > > > > Looking at the IANA section for draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext-12.txt which is > > in flight with the IANA team, we discovered that the Object-Type value of 0 is > > not mentioned in nearly every entry at > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https- > > 3A__www.iana.org_assignments_pcep_pcep.xhtml-23pcep- > > 2Dobjects&d=DQICAg&c=LFYZ- > > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=6UhGpW9lwi9dM7jYlxXD8w&m=zTpEpsMI7ID2Y51iuu > > MuyeVi5EQRlmaSiZu972Yo_5w&s=NE2thC9Tljil9xWVP8oIBIXIM2nY4X5Vel0ElRI > > B2zw&e= > > > > Looking back at RFC 5440 (and at some more recent RFCs) I think the intention > > was that an Object-Type of 0 should not be used (perhaps the first PCEP > > implementation was written in Pascal?). > > > > Thus, this Errata Report proposes that IANA be instructed to mark ALL > > Object-Type 0 entries as "Reserved". > > > > Largely speaking, this just fills in missing information, but it changes the 0 > > values for: > > > > LSP draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce (0 currently "Unassigned") > > SRP draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce (0 currently "Unassigned") > > VENDOR-INFORMATION RFC 7470 (0 is "Unassigned") > > BU draft-ietf-pce-pcep-service-aware (0 currently "Unassigned") > > > > It would also be wise to mark the unassigned Object Classes to read... > > OLD > > 36-255 Unassigned 1-15: Unassigned > > NEW > > 36-255 Unassigned 0: Reserved > > 1-15: Unassigned > > > > Since two of these documents are in late-stage RFC Editor processing, I suggest > > the ADs would do well to act SOON. > > > > Adrian > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of RFC Errata System > > > Sent: 01 March 2017 10:30 > > > To: jpv@cisco.com; jeanlouis.leroux@orange-ftgroup.com; > > akatlas@gmail.com; > > > db3546@att.com; aretana@cisco.com; jonathan.hardwick@metaswitch.com; > > > jpv@cisco.com; julien.meuric@orange.com > > > Cc: pce@ietf.org; text/plain@rfc-editor.org; rfc-editor@rfc- > > editor.orgContent- > > > Type; afarrel@juniper.net; charset=UTF-8@rfc-editor.org > > > Subject: [Pce] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC5440 (4956) > > > > > > The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5440, > > > "Path Computation Element (PCE) Communication Protocol (PCEP)". > > > > > > -------------------------------------- > > > You may review the report below and at: > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.rfc- > > 2Deditor.org_errata-5Fsearch.php-3Frfc-3D5440-26eid- > > 3D4956&d=DQICAg&c=LFYZ- > > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=6UhGpW9lwi9dM7jYlxXD8w&m=zTpEpsMI7ID2Y51iuu > > MuyeVi5EQRlmaSiZu972Yo_5w&s=nD7-oTxeqDLDwDFIhk- > > taL1kYPVOoqBVUEVETZwUdMk&e= > > > > > > -------------------------------------- > > > Type: Editorial > > > Reported by: Adrian Farrel > > > > > > Section: 9.3 > > > > > > Original Text > > > ------------- > > > > > > > > > Corrected Text > > > -------------- > > > > > > > > > Notes > > > ----- > > > This section does not tell IANA the range for the Object-Types to be > > registered > > > for each Object-Class, nor what to do with the values not assigned in this > > > document. > > > > > > IANA has correctly recognised that the top value is 15, and that the values > > > between those shown here and 15 should be marked as "Unassigned." > > > > > > However, there is confusion over the value 0 for an Object-Type. The old > > entries > > > (arising from RFC 5440) do not mention 0. Newer entries for RFC 7470 and > > several > > > I-Ds in the pipe mark 0 as Unassigned. > > > > > > For consistency, ALL 0 Object-Types should be marked "Reserved". > > > > > > (This might need an Errata Report against some other RFCs if you are > > particularly > > > fussy, but I think we can do it all on this report.) > > > > > > Instructions: > > > ------------- > > > This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please > > > use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or > > > rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party > > > can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. > > > > > > -------------------------------------- > > > RFC5440 (draft-ietf-pce-pcep-19) > > > -------------------------------------- > > > Title : Path Computation Element (PCE) Communication Protocol > > (PCEP) > > > Publication Date : March 2009 > > > Author(s) : JP. Vasseur, Ed., JL. Le Roux, Ed. > > > Category : PROPOSED STANDARD > > > Source : Path Computation Element > > > Area : Routing > > > Stream : IETF > > > Verifying Party : IESG > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pce mailing list > > > Pce@ietf.org > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https- > > 3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_pce&d=DQICAg&c=LFYZ- > > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=6UhGpW9lwi9dM7jYlxXD8w&m=zTpEpsMI7ID2Y51iuu > > MuyeVi5EQRlmaSiZu972Yo_5w&s=dNNwtvf5IuP6oBe28khBLWrQenNDCXUiFxT > > BBnzEZo0&e= From nobody Thu Mar 2 15:31:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1728B1293E1; Thu, 2 Mar 2017 15:31:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.522 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, KHOP_DYNAMIC=1.08, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gZ3qzScFvYAS; Thu, 2 Mar 2017 15:31:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com (mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com [67.231.149.140]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1725512706D; Thu, 2 Mar 2017 15:31:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0048589.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0048589.ppops.net-00191d01. (8.16.0.17/8.16.0.17) with SMTP id v22LOhhJ015179; Thu, 2 Mar 2017 16:25:42 -0500 Received: from alpi155.enaf.aldc.att.com (sbcsmtp7.sbc.com [144.160.229.24]) by m0048589.ppops.net-00191d01. with ESMTP id 28xu5c06px-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 02 Mar 2017 16:25:42 -0500 Received: from enaf.aldc.att.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpi155.enaf.aldc.att.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v22LPeMA009646; Thu, 2 Mar 2017 16:25:41 -0500 Received: from mlpi407.sfdc.sbc.com (mlpi407.sfdc.sbc.com [130.9.128.239]) by alpi155.enaf.aldc.att.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v22LPW2f009459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 2 Mar 2017 16:25:36 -0500 Received: from MISOUT7MSGHUBAA.ITServices.sbc.com (MISOUT7MSGHUBAA.itservices.sbc.com [130.9.129.145]) by mlpi407.sfdc.sbc.com (RSA Interceptor); Thu, 2 Mar 2017 21:25:22 GMT Received: from MISOUT7MSGUSRDE.ITServices.sbc.com ([169.254.5.162]) by MISOUT7MSGHUBAA.ITServices.sbc.com ([130.9.129.145]) with mapi id 14.03.0319.002; Thu, 2 Mar 2017 16:25:21 -0500 From: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" To: "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , "pce@ietf.org" , "rtg-ads@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Pce] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC5440 (4956) Thread-Index: AQHSknjCRx8RKAWNKkaonygQ1IpJ6KGAINWAgAHwxXA= Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 21:25:20 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20170301102953.91F6AB8107B@rfc-editor.org> <051c01d29278$fe0ea870$fa2bf950$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <051c01d29278$fe0ea870$fa2bf950$@olddog.co.uk> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.70.244.229] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-RSA-Inspected: yes X-RSA-Classifications: public X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:, , definitions=2017-03-02_17:, , signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_policy_notspam policy=outbound_policy score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 impostorscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1702020001 definitions=main-1703020186 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC5440 (4956) X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2017 23:31:18 -0000 Hi Adrian, Much thanks for the catch. I've verified - hopefully this meets your criter= ia for SOON as I would not want to be an example in your draft:-) Deborah > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 5:46 AM > To: pce@ietf.org; rtg-ads@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [Pce] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC5440 (4956) >=20 > Looking at the IANA section for draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext-12.txt whi= ch is > in flight with the IANA team, we discovered that the Object-Type value of= 0 is > not mentioned in nearly every entry at > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__www.iana.org_assignments_pcep_pcep.xhtml-23pcep- > 2Dobjects&d=3DDQICAg&c=3DLFYZ- > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3D6UhGpW9lwi9dM7jYlxXD8w&m=3DzTpEpsMI7ID2Y51iuu > MuyeVi5EQRlmaSiZu972Yo_5w&s=3DNE2thC9Tljil9xWVP8oIBIXIM2nY4X5Vel0ElRI > B2zw&e=3D >=20 > Looking back at RFC 5440 (and at some more recent RFCs) I think the inten= tion > was that an Object-Type of 0 should not be used (perhaps the first PCEP > implementation was written in Pascal?). >=20 > Thus, this Errata Report proposes that IANA be instructed to mark ALL > Object-Type 0 entries as "Reserved". >=20 > Largely speaking, this just fills in missing information, but it changes = the 0 > values for: >=20 > LSP draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce (0 currently "Unassigned") > SRP draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce (0 currently "Unassigned") > VENDOR-INFORMATION RFC 7470 (0 is "Unassigned") > BU draft-ietf-pce-pcep-service-aware (0 currently "Unassigned") >=20 > It would also be wise to mark the unassigned Object Classes to read... > OLD > 36-255 Unassigned 1-15: Unassigned > NEW > 36-255 Unassigned 0: Reserved > 1-15: Unassigned >=20 > Since two of these documents are in late-stage RFC Editor processing, I s= uggest > the ADs would do well to act SOON. >=20 > Adrian >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of RFC Errata System > > Sent: 01 March 2017 10:30 > > To: jpv@cisco.com; jeanlouis.leroux@orange-ftgroup.com; > akatlas@gmail.com; > > db3546@att.com; aretana@cisco.com; jonathan.hardwick@metaswitch.com; > > jpv@cisco.com; julien.meuric@orange.com > > Cc: pce@ietf.org; text/plain@rfc-editor.org; rfc-editor@rfc- > editor.orgContent- > > Type; afarrel@juniper.net; charset=3DUTF-8@rfc-editor.org > > Subject: [Pce] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC5440 (4956) > > > > The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5440, > > "Path Computation Element (PCE) Communication Protocol (PCEP)". > > > > -------------------------------------- > > You may review the report below and at: > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttp-3A__www.rfc- > 2Deditor.org_errata-5Fsearch.php-3Frfc-3D5440-26eid- > 3D4956&d=3DDQICAg&c=3DLFYZ- > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3D6UhGpW9lwi9dM7jYlxXD8w&m=3DzTpEpsMI7ID2Y51iuu > MuyeVi5EQRlmaSiZu972Yo_5w&s=3DnD7-oTxeqDLDwDFIhk- > taL1kYPVOoqBVUEVETZwUdMk&e=3D > > > > -------------------------------------- > > Type: Editorial > > Reported by: Adrian Farrel > > > > Section: 9.3 > > > > Original Text > > ------------- > > > > > > Corrected Text > > -------------- > > > > > > Notes > > ----- > > This section does not tell IANA the range for the Object-Types to be > registered > > for each Object-Class, nor what to do with the values not assigned in t= his > > document. > > > > IANA has correctly recognised that the top value is 15, and that the va= lues > > between those shown here and 15 should be marked as "Unassigned." > > > > However, there is confusion over the value 0 for an Object-Type. The ol= d > entries > > (arising from RFC 5440) do not mention 0. Newer entries for RFC 7470 an= d > several > > I-Ds in the pipe mark 0 as Unassigned. > > > > For consistency, ALL 0 Object-Types should be marked "Reserved". > > > > (This might need an Errata Report against some other RFCs if you are > particularly > > fussy, but I think we can do it all on this report.) > > > > Instructions: > > ------------- > > This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please > > use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or > > rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party > > can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. > > > > -------------------------------------- > > RFC5440 (draft-ietf-pce-pcep-19) > > -------------------------------------- > > Title : Path Computation Element (PCE) Communication Prot= ocol > (PCEP) > > Publication Date : March 2009 > > Author(s) : JP. Vasseur, Ed., JL. 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I could find 2 conflicts, there may be more. Is there a way the PCE WG can manage TLV values across drafts? For compatibility between vendors and different software release from same vendor - keeping these values unchanged is critical. 8.3. STATEFUL-PCE-CAPABILITY TLV *TBD11 (suggested* value 26) TRIGGERED-INITIAL-SYNC This document * TBD12 (suggested* value 28) TRIGGERED-RESYNC This document https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-segment-routing-08#section-9.4 - SR-PCE-CAPABILITY is 26 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-type-03#section-6.1 PATH-SETUP-TYPE is 28 Thanks, Girish On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 6:08 AM, wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element of the IETF. > > Title : Optimizations of Label Switched Path State > Synchronization Procedures for a Stateful PCE > Authors : Edward Crabbe > Ina Minei > Jan Medved > Robert Varga > Xian Zhang > Dhruv Dhody > Filename : draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync- > optimizations-09.txt > Pages : 25 > Date : 2017-02-28 > > Abstract: > A stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) has access to not only the > information disseminated by the network's Interior Gateway Protocol > (IGP), but also the set of active paths and their reserved resources > for its computation. The additional Label Switched Path (LSP) state > information allows the PCE to compute constrained paths while > considering individual LSPs and their interactions. This requires a > state synchronization mechanism between the PCE and the network, PCE > and path computation clients (PCCs), and between cooperating PCEs. > The basic mechanism for state synchronization is part of the stateful > PCE specification. This document presents motivations for > optimizations to the base state synchronization procedure and > specifies the required Path Computation Element Communication > Protocol (PCEP) extensions. > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-stateful- > sync-optimizations/ > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations-09 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pce-stateful- > sync-optimizations-09 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > Pce mailing list > Pce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce > --94eb2c189b968540010549d9afeb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Authors,

Suggested TLV values confl= ict with in other PCE drafts. I could find 2 conflicts, there may be more. = Is there a way the PCE WG can manage TLV values across drafts? For compatib= ility between vendors and different software release from same vendor - kee= ping these values unchanged is critical.
8.3.  STATEFUL-PCE-CA=
PABILITY TLV
    TBD11 (suggested value 26) TRIGGERED-INITIAL-SYNC    This document
    TBD12 (suggested value 28) TRIGGERED-RE=
SYNC          This document


https://tools.ietf.org/ht=
ml/draft-ietf-pce-segment-routing-08#section-9.4 - 
SR-PCE-CAPABILIT=
Y is 26

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-lsp-set=
up-type-03#section-6.1
PATH-SETUP-TYPE is 28

Thank=
s,
Girish
On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 6:08 AM, <inte= rnet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:
https://datatracker.ietf= .org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations/

There's also a htmlized version available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html= /draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations-09

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.or= g/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations-09


Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n
until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/

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List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2017 10:25:02 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_027D_01D294D1.89E15F50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This thread is an example of why some of us have ranted *endlessly* at = the PC working group to STOP PUTTING EXPLICIT VALUES FOR CODEPOINTS IN = INTERNET-DRAFTS. =20 Just don't do it. Stop. Now. Take them out? =20 Why do you do it? It does not help anyone. It makes things bad. =20 I am sure I even recall the chairs asking editors to take them out. Why = do we have WG drafts with explicit codepoints in them. =20 I am beyond frustrated with this :-) =20 Adrian =20 From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dhruv Dhody Sent: 04 March 2017 03:26 To: Girish Birajdar; draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations@ietf.org Cc: pce@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pce] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations-09.txt =20 Hi Girish,=20 =20 (1) You are comparing two different things -=20 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations-09= #section-8.3 is for bit inside the STATEFUL-PCE-CAPABILITY TLV i.e. bit no 26 where as = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-segment-routing-08#section-9.3= is for the TLV Type i.e TLV Type =3D 26 We have done our best to keep the codepoints align across all stateful = PCE drafts.=20 But note that these are only suggestions and final authority is with = IANA.=20 =20 (2) The IANA early allocation [RFC7120] is the best way to make sure = implementations use the right code points with no confusion.=20 Chairs have done that for the stateful PCE, SR, Initiated and path setup = type drafts. Those are visible at - = http://www.iana.org/assignments/pcep/pcep.xhtml. As this draft goes to the RFC editor, the IANA would block the = codepoints for this draft too. =20 (3) There is a draft asking for experimental code points in PCEP - = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dhody-pce-pcep-exp-codepoints-02 ; do = review and suggest if you find that useful for early experimentation of = ideas.=20 =20 Thanks!=20 Dhruv =20 From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Girish Birajdar Sent: 04 March 2017 02:20 To: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations@ietf.org Cc: pce@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pce] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations-09.txt =20 Dear Authors, Suggested TLV values conflict with in other PCE drafts. I could find 2 = conflicts, there may be more. Is there a way the PCE WG can manage TLV = values across drafts? For compatibility between vendors and different = software release from same vendor - keeping these values unchanged is = critical. 8.3. STATEFUL-PCE-CAPABILITY TLV TBD11 (suggested value 26) TRIGGERED-INITIAL-SYNC This document TBD12 (suggested value 28) TRIGGERED-RESYNC This document https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-segment-routing-08#section-9.4= -=20 SR-PCE-CAPABILITY is 26 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-type-03#section-6.1 PATH-SETUP-TYPE is 28 Thanks, Girish =20 On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 6:08 AM, wrote: A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element of the IETF. Title : Optimizations of Label Switched Path State = Synchronization Procedures for a Stateful PCE Authors : Edward Crabbe Ina Minei Jan Medved Robert Varga Xian Zhang Dhruv Dhody Filename : = draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations-09.txt Pages : 25 Date : 2017-02-28 Abstract: A stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) has access to not only the information disseminated by the network's Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP), but also the set of active paths and their reserved resources for its computation. The additional Label Switched Path (LSP) state information allows the PCE to compute constrained paths while considering individual LSPs and their interactions. This requires a state synchronization mechanism between the PCE and the network, PCE and path computation clients (PCCs), and between cooperating PCEs. The basic mechanism for state synchronization is part of the stateful PCE specification. This document presents motivations for optimizations to the base state synchronization procedure and specifies the required Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) extensions. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizatio= ns/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations-09= A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimiza= tions-09 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ Pce mailing list Pce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce =20 ------=_NextPart_000_027D_01D294D1.89E15F50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This thread is an example of why some of us have = ranted *endlessly* at the PC working group to STOP PUTTING EXPLICIT = VALUES FOR CODEPOINTS IN INTERNET-DRAFTS.

 

Just don't do it. Stop. Now. Take them = out?

 

Why do you do it? It does not help anyone. It = makes things bad.

 

I am sure I even recall the chairs asking editors = to take them out. Why do we have WG drafts with explicit codepoints in = them.

 

I am beyond frustrated with this = :-)

 

Adrian

 

From: Pce = [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dhruv = Dhody
Sent: 04 March 2017 03:26
To: Girish Birajdar; = draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations@ietf.org
Cc: = pce@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Pce] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations-09.txt

 

Hi Girish,

 

(1)    You are comparing two different things - =

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-stateful= -sync-optimizations-09#section-8.3

is for bit inside the STATEFUL-PCE-CAPABILITY TLV i.e. bit = no 26

where as https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-segment-routing-08#s= ection-9.3

is for the TLV Type i.e TLV Type =3D = 26

We have done our best to keep the codepoints align across = all stateful PCE drafts.

But note that these are only suggestions and final = authority is with IANA.

 

(2)    The IANA early allocation [RFC7120] is the best way to make = sure implementations use the right code points with no confusion. =

Chairs have done that for the stateful PCE, SR, Initiated = and path setup type drafts. Those are visible at - http://www.iana.= org/assignments/pcep/pcep.xhtml.

         As this = draft goes to the RFC editor, the IANA would block the codepoints for = this draft too.

 

(3)    There is a draft asking for experimental code points in = PCEP - https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dhody-pce-pcep-exp-codepoints-02= ; do review and suggest if you find that useful for early = experimentation of ideas.

 

Thanks!

Dhruv

 

From: Pce = [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Girish = Birajdar
Sent: 04 March 2017 02:20
To: = draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations@ietf.org
Cc: = pce@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Pce] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations-09.txt

 <= /o:p>

Dear = Authors,

Suggested = TLV values conflict with in other PCE drafts. I could find 2 conflicts, = there may be more. Is there a way the PCE WG can manage TLV values = across drafts? For compatibility between vendors and different software = release from same vendor - keeping these values unchanged is = critical.

8.3.  =
STATEFUL-PCE-CAPABILITY TLV
    TBD11 (suggested value 26) =
TRIGGERED-INITIAL-SYNC    This document
    TBD12 (suggested =
value 28) =
TRIGGERED-RESYNC          =
This document


https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-segment-routing-08#s=
ection-9.4 - 
SR-PCE-CAPABILITY is 26

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-type-03#sec=
tion-6.1
PATH-SETUP-TYPE is 28
Thanks,=

Girish<=
/o:p>

 <= /o:p>

On Tue, Feb = 28, 2017 at 6:08 AM, <internet-drafts@ietf.org> = wrote:


A New = Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories.
This draft is a work item of the Path Computation = Element of the IETF.

        Title  =          : Optimizations of Label Switched Path = State Synchronization Procedures for a Stateful PCE
    =     Authors         : Edward = Crabbe
                  =         Ina Minei
        =                   Jan = Medved
                  =         Robert Varga
        =                   Xian = Zhang
                  =         Dhruv Dhody
        = Filename        : = draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations-09.txt
    =     Pages           : = 25
        Date          =   : 2017-02-28

Abstract:
   A stateful Path = Computation Element (PCE) has access to not only the
  =  information disseminated by the network's Interior Gateway = Protocol
   (IGP), but also the set of active paths and = their reserved resources
   for its computation.  The = additional Label Switched Path (LSP) state
   information = allows the PCE to compute constrained paths while
  =  considering individual LSPs and their interactions.  This = requires a
   state synchronization mechanism between the = PCE and the network, PCE
   and path computation clients = (PCCs), and between cooperating PCEs.
   The basic = mechanism for state synchronization is part of the stateful
  =  PCE specification.  This document presents motivations = for
   optimizations to the base state synchronization = procedure and
   specifies the required Path Computation = Element Communication
   Protocol (PCEP) = extensions.



The IETF datatracker status page for this = draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-statefu= l-sync-optimizations/

There's also a htmlized version = available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-syn= c-optimizations-09

A diff from the previous version is = available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-pce-stat= eful-sync-optimizations-09


Please note that it may take a = couple of minutes from the time of submission
until the htmlized = version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

Internet-Drafts are also = available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/

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This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element of the IETF. Title : PCEP Extensions for PCE-initiated LSP Setup in a Stateful PCE Model Authors : Edward Crabbe Ina Minei Siva Sivabalan Robert Varga Filename : draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp-08.txt Pages : 18 Date : 2017-03-04 Abstract: The Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) provides mechanisms for Path Computation Elements (PCEs) to perform path computations in response to Path Computation Clients (PCCs) requests. The extensions for stateful PCE provide active control of Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Traffic Engineering Label Switched Paths (TE LSP) via PCEP, for a model where the PCC delegates control over one or more locally configured LSPs to the PCE. This document describes the creation and deletion of PCE-initiated LSPs under the stateful PCE model. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Mar 7 08:20:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 642C81295B2; Tue, 7 Mar 2017 07:54:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.47.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148890207036.23001.1916711186213420395@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2017 07:54:30 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp-09.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2017 15:54:30 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element of the IETF. Title : PCEP Extensions for PCE-initiated LSP Setup in a Stateful PCE Model Authors : Edward Crabbe Ina Minei Siva Sivabalan Robert Varga Filename : draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp-09.txt Pages : 18 Date : 2017-03-07 Abstract: The Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) provides mechanisms for Path Computation Elements (PCEs) to perform path computations in response to Path Computation Clients (PCCs) requests. The extensions for stateful PCE provide active control of Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Traffic Engineering Label Switched Paths (TE LSP) via PCEP, for a model where the PCC delegates control over one or more locally configured LSPs to the PCE. This document describes the creation and deletion of PCE-initiated LSPs under the stateful PCE model. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp-09 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-lsp-09 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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I have reviewed it to determine wh= ether it really is ready to be submitted to the IESG. This draft is an imp= ortant piece of work for the PCE working group and I would like to thank th= e authors for all their work on it so far, but unfortunately I don't think = it is ready for publication yet. Probably the biggest impediment to gettin= g drafts through the IESG is when the drafts lack clarity, and I feel that = more clarity needs to be brought to this draft before we take it forward. My comments are below. Best regards Jon General Comments This document does an important job in explaining how PCEs can best be used= to solve problems in inter-domain path computation. It is thorough and co= vers all the appropriate areas. The document seems repetitive and a bit bloated by text that is not really = relevant to the main purpose of the doc. Some parts of the text feel redun= dant (I have pointed them out explicitly below). Other parts of the text r= epeat statements that have already been made, or else just repeat informati= on from other documents. I have pointed out as many examples of this as I = can below but I would like the authors to review their text themselves and = try to remove the redundant bits of text. Some sections of this document waffle without making a clear point about in= ter-domain path computation. I've made specific comments below about passa= ges that I feel lack a clear point. But please could the authors review th= eir own text? The document needs to succinctly describe problems in inter-= domain path computation and point out the ways a PCE can help solve them. = If there are any parts of this document that do not fulfil that brief, plea= se consider removing them. Some sections of the document need to be reviewed by an English speaker for= grammar and clarity. I made quite a few comments below to clarify sentenc= es and improve the grammar, but I ran out of steam at around section 6. Pl= ease could one of the English speaking authors finish off the job? =20 Section 1 s/remotely initiated PCE, deployment scenarios/remotely initiated PCE deplo= yment scenarios/ s/it maybe necessary/it may be necessary/ " Once a path computation request is received, the PCC will send a request = to the PCE. " Sentence feels redundant. s/The PCE discovery mechanism [...] allow/The PCE discovery mechanism [...]= allows/ s/An Objective Function [...] specify the/An Objective Function [...] speci= fies the/ Section 1.6, I don't think you need to list all the OFs in RFC 5541, there'= s nothing special about them. Section 3 s/administered by separate Service Providers, it would break/administered b= y separate Service Providers. It would break/ s/ different Service Providers. Then cooperating PCEs/ different Service Pr= oviders, then cooperating PCEs/ s/ it can supply this information/ it can supply the destination domain/ s/egress domain/destination domain/ Section 4 Please define " simply-connected " or expand the term. I think you mean "c= onnected in a simple path with no branches and single links between all dom= ains". Section 4.2 text duplicates the text in section 3.1 1st paragraph. Please d= elete one of them. s/ are composed by/ are composed of/ s/ are usually interconnected between them/ are usually interconnected/ OLD A typical node degree ranges from 3 to 10 (4-5 is quite common), being the = node degree the number of neighbors per node. NEW The node degree (the number of neighbors per node) typically ranges from 3 = to 10 (4-5 is quite common). Second paragraph of 4.3 "Networks are sometimes..." is redundant. It has a= ll been said already. s/ Whenever an specific/ Whenever a specific/ Section 4.4 Again it feels like all of this has been said in section 3.1 al= ready, except the bit about SRLGs. I suggest combining these bits of text.= Perhaps section 3.1 should be removed. Section 4.5 "A non-comprehensive list" Is it important to give this list? = It seems to add nothing to the existing reference to RFC5540/6007 - suggest= removing it. s/ reach the destination domain, a domain sequence/ reach the destination d= omain. A domain sequence/ s/ is defined in [RFC3209], [RFC7897] specifies new/ is defined in [RFC3209= ]. [RFC7897] specifies new/ Section 5 5.1.1 " [RFC5441] provides a more optimal method to specify inclusion or ex= clusion of an ABR" - this is the BRPC RFC. It computes a more optimal path= in general. But please can you clarify how it optimizes " inclusion or ex= clusion of an ABR "? s/ an area must be include or exclude from/ an area must be included or exc= luded from/ s/ the indication of if a strict/ the indication of whether a strict/ s/ to compute diverse across/ to compute diverse paths across/ 5.1.3 What point are you making by listing these types of diversity?=20 Section 5.2 - I don't understand what point this section is making. I thin= k it says that an operator may know an intra-area path exists, but then req= uests an inter-area path anyway, but then looks at the response and says "I= don't like some of those areas" and so uses the intra-area path instead. = Really? I would have thought that they would just use the intra-area path = in the first place. Also this section seems to imply that the PCE provides= the area / AS IDs in the returned ERO, which I do not believe is the case. Section 6 There are several mistakes in English in this section. I started listing t= hem but ran out of time. Please have an English speaker review and overhau= l it. 6.1.1 I can't tell what this section is trying to say. Please make the poi= nt clearly. Section 7 Ditto - many English mistakes in this section. All the text in the first part of section 7 (before 7.1 starts) is redundan= t, i.e. has been said already. Please take it out. 7.1 " It could be helpful " ... this is too wishy-washy. Helpful under wha= t circumstances? " the TED must be populated. Inter-as connectivity information may be popul= ated " I think you mean MUST and MAY. This sentence is in the passive voi= ce which makes it hard to understand which entity must take the described a= ction. I.e. which entity populates that TED? 7.1 This section is unclear. What point is it trying to make? I think I c= an see two points in the text, but they are entangled and obscure. The fir= st point is that the TED may be provided by a variety of sources. The seco= nd point is that, when the IGPs provide the TED, they do not provide inform= ation on inter-AS TE and therefore this information must come from another = source. Please separate your points and make them clearly. 7.1.1 " As PCE algorithms rely on information contained in the TED " - redu= ndant, delete. 7.1.1 Final paragraph - as these LSPs are static, why can't they be provisi= oned statically in the TED? What happened to section 7.2? 7.3 " The management based solutions could also be used in conjunction with= the BRPC algorithm." I think what you are saying here is that BRPC may be= used to pre-plan an AS sequence whereas the actual path within domains is = not pre-planned and is instead computed using per-domain computation. Plea= se clarify. 7.3 This section ought to point out that in an inter-domain path, the opera= tors of each domain must agree to what extent paths must be pre-planned and= manually controlled. 7.4 What point is this section making? That has not already been said in R= FC 5152? s/RFC6805]/[RFC6805] 7.5 How is this different to 7.4? Note that per-domain path computation is= also "co-operative PCEs". 7.6 This section just repeats material from RFC 6805 so seems redundant in = this document. Section 8 Most of the introduction repeats points already made by the document and do= esn't need to be said again. The introduction to s8 should say something l= ike this. NEW=20 This section discusses the techniques that co-operating PCEs can use to compute inter-domain paths without each domain disclosing sensitive internal topology information (such as explicit nodes or links within the domain) to the other domains." s/allows explicit route information to used/allows explicit route informati= on to be used/ Section 10 s/path that satisfies/paths that satisfy/ I would retire the section heading for 10.1 and just make section 10 one fl= at section. Section 11 "Deployment of policy should also consider the need to be sensitive to comm= ercial and reliability information about domains and the interactions of s= ervices crossing domains." What does that mean? i.e. who needs to consid= er this, what exactly are they considering, what do they do about it, and h= ow does it relate to PCE? Section 12 Overlaps and duplicates significantly with section 7, especially section 7.= 1. Please combine the information in these sections. Section 13 "section 8.4 of [RFC5440] and will not be repeated here." Is this stray tex= t? Delete it? Sections 13.3 and 13.4 appear out of order (they appear after section 14). Section 13.4 mentions security procedures - this should be done in section = 14. Otherwise, section 13.4 just repeats stuff from RFC 5440 - not necessary. = Please delete it unless there is something specific to say about the inter-= AS case. Section 13.5 Just repeats stuff from RFC 5440 - not necessary. Please dele= te it unless there is something specific to say about the inter-AS case. Section 14 I think this section should also talk about how to establish the trust rela= tionship between domains and how PCEs can authenticate with each other. From nobody Tue Mar 7 11:23:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 396B412943D for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2017 11:23:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fI8bXk1LCQeK for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2017 11:23:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 12EE7129426 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2017 11:23:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml708-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DCJ08745; Tue, 07 Mar 2017 19:23:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SJCEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com (10.208.112.40) by lhreml708-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.49) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.301.0; Tue, 7 Mar 2017 19:23:49 +0000 Received: from SJCEML703-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.5.69]) by SJCEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.3.132]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Tue, 7 Mar 2017 11:23:37 -0800 From: Huaimo Chen To: "pce@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Some commetns/responses for draft-chen-pce-pcc-ted Thread-Index: AQHR/Wg752AP6CDTy0GRHufVhtugzKBhOl4AgAFJqxCAADkjgIAArZGwgAArhuCBJ1mtAA== Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 19:23:37 +0000 Message-ID: <5316A0AB3C851246A7CA5758973207D450149753@SJCEML703-CHM.china.huawei.com> References: <147197513470.30697.9830247130594037700.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <044d01d202c8$b28c7570$17a56050$@olddog.co.uk> <23CE718903A838468A8B325B80962F9B8C94CE75@blreml501-mbx> <006201d2038a$19430b00$4bc92100$@olddog.co.uk> <23CE718903A838468A8B325B80962F9B8C94D4D6@blreml501-mbx> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.212.244.61] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_5316A0AB3C851246A7CA5758973207D450149753SJCEML703CHMchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020201.58BF08C7.0281, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.5.69, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 0f9ca7c5b43f8076272c5add8f1475f8 Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] Some commetns/responses for draft-chen-pce-pcc-ted X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2017 19:23:55 -0000 --_000_5316A0AB3C851246A7CA5758973207D450149753SJCEML703CHMchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Everyone, The following is a summary of comments received during/after IETF 97 wi= th responses. Comments 1. Link id. Even though there is no IGP, I think that the user may= still configure the link ID, which can be uint32. It is the user's (or man= agement system's) responsibility to make sure the number is not conflict wi= th the other TE link IDs. [Response]: We will update the draft accordingly. Comments 2. Do you want to include SRLG also? [Response]: Yes, we will add some text to include SRLG. Comments 3. Can you change the title of the draft to Static PCEP Link State= ? [Response]: We will consider this. Best Regards, Huaimo --_000_5316A0AB3C851246A7CA5758973207D450149753SJCEML703CHMchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Everyone,

 

    = The following is a summary of comments received during/after IETF 97 with r= esponses.

 

Comments 1. Link id. Even though there is no IGP, I = think that the user may still configure the link ID, which can be uint32. I= t is the user's (or management system's) responsibility to make sure the nu= mber is not conflict with the other TE link IDs.

[Response]: We will update the draft accordingly.

 

Comments 2. Do you want to include SRLG also?

[Response]: Yes, we will add some text to include SR= LG.

 

Comments 3. Can you change the title of the draft to= Static PCEP Link State?

[Response]: We will consider this.

 

Best Regards,<= /o:p>

Huaimo

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X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.212.245.94] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020203.58C15EB9.0121, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.4.133, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 7c167469f3468ecc0da8e759d06dff73 Archived-At: Cc: "pce@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pce] Shepherd's review of draft-ietf-pce-inter-area-as-applicability-06 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2017 13:55:10 -0000 Hi Jon,=20 Great, a good review! This is really helpful. Will finalize the document ba= sed on your comments, and most recent updates from Dhruv. Our plan is to su= bmit the new version very quickly. We will find someone to perform a final = English review as you suggest.=20 Thanks! Quintin, and authors. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 17:27:43 +0000 From: Jonathan Hardwick To: "draft-ietf-pce-inter-area-as-applicability@ietf.org" Cc: "pce@ietf.org" Subject: [Pce] Shepherd's review of draft-ietf-pce-inter-area-as-applicability-06 Message-ID: =09 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Hello I am shepherding this draft, which has passed working group last call and i= s in the queue for sending to the IESG. I have reviewed it to determine wh= ether it really is ready to be submitted to the IESG. This draft is an imp= ortant piece of work for the PCE working group and I would like to thank th= e authors for all their work on it so far, but unfortunately I don't think = it is ready for publication yet. Probably the biggest impediment to gettin= g drafts through the IESG is when the drafts lack clarity, and I feel that = more clarity needs to be brought to this draft before we take it forward. My comments are below. Best regards Jon General Comments This document does an important job in explaining how PCEs can best be used= to solve problems in inter-domain path computation. It is thorough and co= vers all the appropriate areas. The document seems repetitive and a bit bloated by text that is not really = relevant to the main purpose of the doc. Some parts of the text feel redun= dant (I have pointed them out explicitly below). Other parts of the text r= epeat statements that have already been made, or else just repeat informati= on from other documents. I have pointed out as many examples of this as I = can below but I would like the authors to review their text themselves and = try to remove the redundant bits of text. Some sections of this document waffle without making a clear point about in= ter-domain path computation. I've made specific comments below about passa= ges that I feel lack a clear point. But please could the authors review th= eir own text? The document needs to succinctly describe problems in inter-= domain path computation and point out the ways a PCE can help solve them. = If there are any parts of this document that do not fulfil that brief, plea= se consider removing them. Some sections of the document need to be reviewed by an English speaker for= grammar and clarity. I made quite a few comments below to clarify sentenc= es and improve the grammar, but I ran out of steam at around section 6. Pl= ease could one of the English speaking authors finish off the job? =20 Section 1 s/remotely initiated PCE, deployment scenarios/remotely initiated PCE deplo= yment scenarios/ s/it maybe necessary/it may be necessary/ " Once a path computation request is received, the PCC will send a request = to the PCE. " Sentence feels redundant. s/The PCE discovery mechanism [...] allow/The PCE discovery mechanism [...]= allows/ s/An Objective Function [...] specify the/An Objective Function [...] speci= fies the/ Section 1.6, I don't think you need to list all the OFs in RFC 5541, there'= s nothing special about them. Section 3 s/administered by separate Service Providers, it would break/administered b= y separate Service Providers. It would break/ s/ different Service Providers. Then cooperating PCEs/ different Service Pr= oviders, then cooperating PCEs/ s/ it can supply this information/ it can supply the destination domain/ s/egress domain/destination domain/ Section 4 Please define " simply-connected " or expand the term. I think you mean "c= onnected in a simple path with no branches and single links between all dom= ains". Section 4.2 text duplicates the text in section 3.1 1st paragraph. Please d= elete one of them. s/ are composed by/ are composed of/ s/ are usually interconnected between them/ are usually interconnected/ OLD A typical node degree ranges from 3 to 10 (4-5 is quite common), being the = node degree the number of neighbors per node. NEW The node degree (the number of neighbors per node) typically ranges from 3 = to 10 (4-5 is quite common). Second paragraph of 4.3 "Networks are sometimes..." is redundant. It has a= ll been said already. s/ Whenever an specific/ Whenever a specific/ Section 4.4 Again it feels like all of this has been said in section 3.1 al= ready, except the bit about SRLGs. I suggest combining these bits of text.= Perhaps section 3.1 should be removed. Section 4.5 "A non-comprehensive list" Is it important to give this list? = It seems to add nothing to the existing reference to RFC5540/6007 - suggest= removing it. s/ reach the destination domain, a domain sequence/ reach the destination d= omain. A domain sequence/ s/ is defined in [RFC3209], [RFC7897] specifies new/ is defined in [RFC3209= ]. [RFC7897] specifies new/ Section 5 5.1.1 " [RFC5441] provides a more optimal method to specify inclusion or ex= clusion of an ABR" - this is the BRPC RFC. It computes a more optimal path= in general. But please can you clarify how it optimizes " inclusion or ex= clusion of an ABR "? s/ an area must be include or exclude from/ an area must be included or exc= luded from/ s/ the indication of if a strict/ the indication of whether a strict/ s/ to compute diverse across/ to compute diverse paths across/ 5.1.3 What point are you making by listing these types of diversity?=20 Section 5.2 - I don't understand what point this section is making. I thin= k it says that an operator may know an intra-area path exists, but then req= uests an inter-area path anyway, but then looks at the response and says "I= don't like some of those areas" and so uses the intra-area path instead. = Really? I would have thought that they would just use the intra-area path = in the first place. Also this section seems to imply that the PCE provides= the area / AS IDs in the returned ERO, which I do not believe is the case. Section 6 There are several mistakes in English in this section. I started listing t= hem but ran out of time. Please have an English speaker review and overhau= l it. 6.1.1 I can't tell what this section is trying to say. Please make the poi= nt clearly. Section 7 Ditto - many English mistakes in this section. All the text in the first part of section 7 (before 7.1 starts) is redundan= t, i.e. has been said already. Please take it out. 7.1 " It could be helpful " ... this is too wishy-washy. Helpful under wha= t circumstances? " the TED must be populated. Inter-as connectivity information may be popul= ated " I think you mean MUST and MAY. This sentence is in the passive voi= ce which makes it hard to understand which entity must take the described a= ction. I.e. which entity populates that TED? 7.1 This section is unclear. What point is it trying to make? I think I c= an see two points in the text, but they are entangled and obscure. The fir= st point is that the TED may be provided by a variety of sources. The seco= nd point is that, when the IGPs provide the TED, they do not provide inform= ation on inter-AS TE and therefore this information must come from another = source. Please separate your points and make them clearly. 7.1.1 " As PCE algorithms rely on information contained in the TED " - redu= ndant, delete. 7.1.1 Final paragraph - as these LSPs are static, why can't they be provisi= oned statically in the TED? What happened to section 7.2? 7.3 " The management based solutions could also be used in conjunction with= the BRPC algorithm." I think what you are saying here is that BRPC may be= used to pre-plan an AS sequence whereas the actual path within domains is = not pre-planned and is instead computed using per-domain computation. Plea= se clarify. 7.3 This section ought to point out that in an inter-domain path, the opera= tors of each domain must agree to what extent paths must be pre-planned and= manually controlled. 7.4 What point is this section making? That has not already been said in R= FC 5152? s/RFC6805]/[RFC6805] 7.5 How is this different to 7.4? Note that per-domain path computation is= also "co-operative PCEs". 7.6 This section just repeats material from RFC 6805 so seems redundant in = this document. Section 8 Most of the introduction repeats points already made by the document and do= esn't need to be said again. The introduction to s8 should say something l= ike this. NEW=20 This section discusses the techniques that co-operating PCEs can use to compute inter-domain paths without each domain disclosing sensitive internal topology information (such as explicit nodes or links within the domain) to the other domains." s/allows explicit route information to used/allows explicit route informati= on to be used/ Section 10 s/path that satisfies/paths that satisfy/ I would retire the section heading for 10.1 and just make section 10 one fl= at section. Section 11 "Deployment of policy should also consider the need to be sensitive to comm= ercial and reliability information about domains and the interactions of s= ervices crossing domains." What does that mean? i.e. who needs to consid= er this, what exactly are they considering, what do they do about it, and h= ow does it relate to PCE? Section 12 Overlaps and duplicates significantly with section 7, especially section 7.= 1. Please combine the information in these sections. Section 13 "section 8.4 of [RFC5440] and will not be repeated here." Is this stray tex= t? Delete it? Sections 13.3 and 13.4 appear out of order (they appear after section 14). Section 13.4 mentions security procedures - this should be done in section = 14. Otherwise, section 13.4 just repeats stuff from RFC 5440 - not necessary. = Please delete it unless there is something specific to say about the inter-= AS case. Section 13.5 Just repeats stuff from RFC 5440 - not necessary. Please dele= te it unless there is something specific to say about the inter-AS case. Section 14 I think this section should also talk about how to establish the trust rela= tionship between domains and how PCEs can authenticate with each other. 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X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.47.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148915303052.7513.10639889678383461187@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 05:37:10 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-00.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 13:37:10 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element of the IETF. Title : Extensions to the Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) for Point-to-Multipoint Traffic Engineering Label Switched Paths Authors : Quintin Zhao Dhruv Dhody Ramanjaneya Reddy Palleti Daniel King Fabien Verhaeghe Tomonori Takeda Julien Meuric Filename : draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-00.txt Pages : 40 Date : 2017-03-10 Abstract: Point-to-point Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) and Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Traffic Engineering Label Switched Paths (TE LSPs) may be established using signaling techniques, but their paths may first need to be determined. The Path Computation Element (PCE) has been identified as an appropriate technology for the determination of the paths of point-to-multipoint (P2MP) TE LSPs. This document describes extensions to the PCE communication Protocol (PCEP) to handle requests and responses for the computation of paths for P2MP TE LSPs. This document obsoletes RFC 6006. 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Dear PCE working group,

 

This email starts a working group last call for draf= t-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-00.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-rfc6= 006bis/

 

Please read the document and reply to the PCE mailin= g list whether you believe this document is ready to be published, or not (= including any comments on why not).  The last call will end on Monday 20 March.

 

Best regards

Jon, JP and Julien

 

 

--_000_BY2PR0201MB191090B5292E1309C1FFAD5C84200BY2PR0201MB1910_-- From nobody Sun Mar 12 04:14:46 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3685A1294FA; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 04:14:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.47.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148931728420.24678.6970461048154446724@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 04:14:44 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-pcep-yang-02.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 11:14:44 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element of the IETF. Title : A YANG Data Model for Path Computation Element Communications Protocol (PCEP) Authors : Dhruv Dhody Jonathan Hardwick Vishnu Pavan Beeram Jeff Tantsura Filename : draft-ietf-pce-pcep-yang-02.txt Pages : 109 Date : 2017-03-12 Abstract: This document defines a YANG data model for the management of Path Computation Element communications Protocol (PCEP) for communications between a Path Computation Client (PCC) and a Path Computation Element (PCE), or between two PCEs. The data model includes configuration data and state data (status information and counters for the collection of statistics). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-pcep-yang/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-pcep-yang-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pce-pcep-yang-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sun Mar 12 09:39:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6CAE129484; Sun, 12 Mar 2017 09:39:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.47.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148933675186.24775.13844033403545355980@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 09:39:11 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-p2mp-02.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 16:39:12 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element of the IETF. Title : Path Computation Element (PCE) Protocol Extensions for Stateful PCE usage for Point-to-Multipoint Traffic Engineering Label Switched Paths Authors : Udayasree Palle Dhruv Dhody Yosuke Tanaka Vishnu Pavan Beeram Filename : draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-p2mp-02.txt Pages : 32 Date : 2017-03-12 Abstract: The Path Computation Element (PCE) has been identified as an appropriate technology for the determination of the paths of point- to-multipoint (P2MP) TE LSPs. This document provides extensions required for Path Computation Element communication Protocol (PCEP) so as to enable the usage of a stateful PCE capability in supporting P2MP TE LSPs. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-p2mp/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-p2mp-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-p2mp-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Mar 13 02:19:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D612A129568; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 02:19:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.47.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148939679385.16946.836796978497765541@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 02:19:53 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-association-diversity-01.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 09:19:54 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element of the IETF. Title : Path Computation Element communication Protocol extension for signaling LSP diversity constraint Authors : Stephane Litkowski Siva Sivabalan Colby Barth Dhruv Dhody Filename : draft-ietf-pce-association-diversity-01.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2017-03-13 Abstract: This document introduces a simple mechanism to associate a group of Label Switched Paths (LSPs) via an extension to the Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) with the purpose of computing diverse paths for those LSPs. The proposed extension allows a PCC to advertise to a PCE the belonging of a particular LSP to a disjoint- group, thus the PCE knows that LSPs in the same group must be disjoint from each other. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-association-diversity/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-association-diversity-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pce-association-diversity-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Mar 13 02:24:30 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47D2D129561; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 02:24:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.619 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.619 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XKYbfQY56QLU; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 02:24:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.orange.com (mta239.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.66.39]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A16F812956A; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 02:24:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from opfedar06.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.8]) by opfedar25.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 5857E12032E; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 10:24:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.32]) by opfedar06.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 3526180068; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 10:24:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::65de:2f08:41e6:ebbe]) by OPEXCLILM32.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::8924:188:2124:a046%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0319.002; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 10:24:20 +0100 From: To: "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , 'Jonathan Hardwick' , "pce@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Pce] Poll for adoption: draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity Thread-Index: AdJsEC6GK+BxyT7iTTGAvLi/Px5JVgCcCtaAC1atn1A= Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 09:24:19 +0000 Message-ID: <30227_1489397061_58C66545_30227_737_1_9E32478DFA9976438E7A22F69B08FF921DD19F2A@OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <004101d26e88$c2902580$47b07080$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <004101d26e88$c2902580$47b07080$@olddog.co.uk> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.1] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity@ietf.org" , "pce-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Pce] Poll for adoption: draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 09:24:28 -0000 Hi Adrian, We just posted a v01 that tried to address your comments. Some encoding/procedures proposed still requires discussion for sure. Pleas= e let us know your feedback. We have an on going discussion with the authors of the base association gro= up draft. Your last point on security may be addressed by this document in = a next revision as we think that it is a more general item. Best regards, A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element of the IETF. Title : Path Computation Element communication Protocol e= xtension for signaling LSP diversity constraint Authors : Stephane Litkowski Siva Sivabalan Colby Barth Dhruv Dhody Filename : draft-ietf-pce-association-diversity-01.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2017-03-13 Abstract: This document introduces a simple mechanism to associate a group of Label Switched Paths (LSPs) via an extension to the Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) with the purpose of computing diverse paths for those LSPs. The proposed extension allows a PCC to advertise to a PCE the belonging of a particular LSP to a disjoint- group, thus the PCE knows that LSPs in the same group must be disjoint from each other. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-association-diversity/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-association-diversity-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-pce-association-diversity-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk]=20 Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 18:08 To: 'Jonathan Hardwick'; pce@ietf.org Cc: draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity@ietf.org; pce-chairs@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Pce] Poll for adoption: draft-litkowski-pce-association-diver= sity > This is start of a two week poll on making draft-litkowski-pce-association-diversity-01 a PCE working group document. Hi, I support the adoption of this draft, because it is clear that this functio= n needs to be provided. But my review throws up a few things that should be= worked on. None of my issues needs hold up adoption of the document so lon= g as we can agree to look at them as the work goes forward. Note that a few= of my comments might lead to reducing the available function, and other mi= ght suggest using existing mechanisms rather than adding new features. Thanks, Adrian =3D=3D=3D Could the Abstract make it a little clearer whether this signaling is to re= quest a PCE to compute diverse group of LSPs, request that a PCE compute th= e path of an LSP that is diverse from some other group of existing LSPs, in= dicate to a PCC that it must set up a group of diverse LSPs, indicate to a = PCC that an LSP that is to be set up must be diverse from some other group = of LSPs, or report from a PCC to a PCE that a group of LSPs are diverse. In other words, give some indication of what the feature is for. --- Similarly, the Introduction needs to give some more clue. When it says "use= d to signal" it fails to indicate who signals to whom and at what stage in = the process. --- The document needs to make it clear why the SVEC object is not a suitable a= pproach. I think this will follow from the previous two points but it is im= portant to mention SVEC and clarify the relationship to that object which h= as previously been used to enable "related" computations. --- The caption to Figure 1 might better read... Figure 1 - Disjoint paths with different head-ends and tail-ends --- "PCInit" should, I think, be "PCInitiate". --- I want to note that diverse paths can often only be successfully computed i= f they are computed as a batch. Therefore, a mechanism that allows one PCC = to request an LSP "disjoint from everything else in this group" is flawed u= nless the PCE has some way to know the whole of the group.=20 Otherwise, the PCE will compute the path of the LSP as the CSPF because the= group is empty and will later get a second request ("compute a second LSP = disjoint from the group") that it might not be able to satisfy. This proble= m is compounded by increasing the size of the group without the PCE even kn= owing whether it has information about the whole group. That fact does not detract from the protocol mechanism, but does, I think, = mean that the use case of two or more separate PCCs (LERs) requesting LSPs = to be diverse from the group is either more complex (it could use rerouting= to achieve the results after performing a "global concurrent reoptimizatio= n", or it could have additional protocol mechanisms to scope the group), or= subject to failures or suboptimal results. Note that SVEC, SVEC list, and GCO were previous attempts to address this s= pecific problem. Just as OFs were previous ways of expressing the computati= on result desired. --- In 4.1 you have... A disjoint group can have two or more LSPs. But a PCE may be limited in how many LSPs it can take into account when computing disjointness: usually PCEs are able to compute a pair of disjoint paths. If a PCE receives more LSPs in the group than it can handle in its computation algorithm, it SHOULD apply disjointness computation to only a subset of LSPs in the group. The subset of disjoint LSPs will be decided by the implementation. I think it would be good to strike ": usually PCEs are able to compute a pa= ir of disjoint paths". That is an implementation detail and actually has no= bearing on the protocol mechanism you define. That is, even if a PCE can o= nly compute one path, the "subset" of one will work.=20 (Personally, I think PCEs should be able to handle arbitrary groups, but I = understand some algorithms differ.) What is missing, however, is how the PCE in this case reports that it did n= ot perform the requested function, but still supplied paths. That is, the p= aths are not what was requested, but are supplied as though they were. I be= lieve the PCE MUST report this fact so that the PCC can decide whether or n= ot to use the paths. --- Similarly Associating a particular LSP to multiple disjoint groups is authorized from a protocol perspective, however there is no insurance that the PCE will be able to compute properly the multi-disjointness constraint. So the PCE that cannot handle this case needs to have a formal response tha= t lets the PCC know that something undesired has happened. --- What is the interaction of the P flag and the OF? If the OF says, for example, use the least load path, and yet the P flag is= set, what should the PCE do? Perhaps this is what your text is trying to talk about. Maybe then, this isn't specifically the "shortest path" flag, but is more a= "satisfy all constraints and objective functions first without considering= the diversity constraint" flag. Even so, you should talk about what happens if there are two paths that equ= ally satisfy the other constraints and OFs (consider ECMP) but where the us= e of one allows diversity, and the use of the other does not. (Hint: it is very easy to draw networks where this happens.) --- How does the strictness requirement interact with the case (above) of not b= eing able to compute for the full set at once? --- Suppose I ask for node disjoint but am willing to settle for link disjoint.= How do I express this? It would be {node, but not strict} + {link, strict} But I see no way to exp= ress this. --- If I say "not strict" can a PCE simply ignore me, or does it "do its best"?= And do you define "best" for a group of LSPs? Fewest LSPs that are disjoin= t? Fewest points of non-disjointness across the group?=20 Sounds like a few new OFs to me. And how does the PCE report what is not quite as requested? --- I think you have a new security consideration to include. There needs to be= some authorisation associated with a group. Otherwise a "rogue" PCC can sa= botage someone else's group by adding to it a strict request for an LSP tha= t cannot possibly be disjoint. This would, as I understand it cause the who= le group to be in error. ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages el= ectroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou = falsifie. Merci. 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From nobody Mon Mar 13 08:42:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70EDA12970F; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 08:30:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wWdau1SN2bzS; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 08:30:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0FAB41296F7; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 08:30:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id EB522B81169; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 08:30:34 -0700 (PDT) To: DHRUV.IETF@GMAIL.COM, qzhao@huawei.com, daniel@olddog.co.uk, fabien.verhaeghe@gmail.com, takeda.tomonori@lab.ntt.co.jp, zali@cisco.com, julien.meuric@orange-ftgroup.com X-PHP-Originating-Script: 30:errata_mail_lib.php From: RFC Errata System Message-Id: <20170313153034.EB522B81169@rfc-editor.org> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 08:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 08:42:18 -0700 Cc: text/plain@rfc-editor.org, charset=UTF-8@rfc-editor.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.orgContent-Type, pce@ietf.org, iesg@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] [Errata Verified] RFC6006 (4867) X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 15:30:44 -0000 The following errata report has been verified for RFC6006, "Extensions to the Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) for Point-to-Multipoint Traffic Engineering Label Switched Paths". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=6006&eid=4867 -------------------------------------- Status: Verified Type: Technical Reported by: DHRUV DHODY Date Reported: 2016-11-16 Verified by: Deborah Brungard (IESG) Section: 3.4 Original Text ------------- ::= where: ::= [] [] [] [] [] [] where: ::= [][] [] ::=[][] ::=[] Corrected Text -------------- ::= [] where: ::= [] [] [] ::=[] ::= [] [] [] [] [|] [] where: ::= [[]] [] ::=(|)[] ::=[] Notes ----- o Update the Routing Backus-Naur Form (RBNF) [RFC5511] for Request message format: * Update the request message to allows for the bundling of multiple path computation requests within a single Path Computation Request (PCReq) message. * Add in PCReq message. This object was missed in [RFC6006]. * Add BNC object in PCReq message. This object is required to support P2MP. It shares the same format as Include Route Object (IRO) but it is a different object. * Update the format to also allow Secondary Record Route object (SRRO). This object was missed in [RFC6006]. * Removed the BANDWIDTH Object followed by Record Route Object (RRO) from . As BANDWIDTH object doesn't need to follow for each RRO in the , there already exist BANDWIDTH object follow and is backward compatible with [RFC5440]. * Update the to allow optional BANDWIDTH object only if is included. Refer https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-palleti-pce-rfc6006bis/?include_text=1 -------------------------------------- RFC6006 (draft-ietf-pce-pcep-p2mp-extensions-11) -------------------------------------- Title : Extensions to the Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) for Point-to-Multipoint Traffic Engineering Label Switched Paths Publication Date : September 2010 Author(s) : Q. Zhao, Ed., D. King, Ed., F. Verhaeghe, T. Takeda, Z. Ali, J. Meuric Category : PROPOSED STANDARD Source : Path Computation Element Area : Routing Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From nobody Mon Mar 13 08:49:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96C5412941A; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 08:49:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.47.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148942019758.16995.6543410506680303093@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 08:49:57 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-03.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 15:49:57 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element of the IETF. Title : PCEP Extensions for MPLS-TE LSP Automatic Bandwidth Adjustment with Stateful PCE Authors : Dhruv Dhody Udayasree Palle Ravi Singh Rakesh Gandhi Luyuan Fang Filename : draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-03.txt Pages : 29 Date : 2017-03-13 Abstract: The Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) provides mechanisms for Path Computation Elements (PCEs) to perform path computations in response to Path Computation Clients (PCCs) requests. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-auto-bandwidth-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Mar 13 11:39:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3516D1294A0; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 11:39:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alvaro Retana To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.47.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148943037921.9243.15715481484070651192.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 11:39:39 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: pce@ietf.org, pce-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] Alvaro Retana's No Objection on draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations-09: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 18:39:39 -0000 Alvaro Retana has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations-09: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1) The Speaker Entity Identifier concerns me a lot because of the spoofing vector it introduces, and because I don't think the uniqueness is strongly specified. I understand that the risk of spoofing is limited to the State Timeout Interval, but that is a long time: at least 30 sec by default! It looks like the main use case is to avoid state synchronization after an IP address change -- are there other? (2) By making TCP-AO/TLS "RECOMMENDED", this document is not in line with RFC5440, where only TCP-MD5 is mandatory. I don't think the intent of this document is to Update RFC5440, is it? Also, why would the recommendations for this extension be different than those in draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce (which doesn't go beyond what RFC5440 mentions)? If you do keep the current recommendation, then draft-ietf-pce-pceps should be a Normative reference. From nobody Mon Mar 13 11:45:48 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B260129A49 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 11:45:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.619 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.619 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rmjKE0BIvjPZ for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 11:45:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.orange.com (mta239.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.66.39]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C75C8129A53 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 11:45:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from opfedar05.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.7]) by opfedar24.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 82726C034B for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 19:45:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.72]) by opfedar05.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 666C86006D for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 19:45:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.193.71.188] (10.168.234.3) by OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup (10.114.31.72) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.319.2; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 19:45:43 +0100 References: <148943003475.9191.3361887919331861137.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: "pce@ietf.org" From: Organization: Orange Labs X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <148943003475.9191.3361887919331861137.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Message-ID: <19223_1489430743_58C6E8D7_19223_9905_1_474c2147-deee-6fb3-c2b2-61062c485f15@orange.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 19:45:42 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <148943003475.9191.3361887919331861137.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [10.168.234.3] Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-dugeon-brpc-stateful-00.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 18:45:46 -0000 Hi all, Please find below a new draft that define a new Backward Recursive method to setup inter-domain LSP with PCInitiate message. Regards Olivier & Julien --- A new version of I-D, draft-dugeon-brpc-stateful-00.tx has been successfully submitted by Olivier Dugeon and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-dugeon-brpc-stateful Revision: 00 Title: A Backward Recursive PCE-initiated inter-domain LSP Setup Document date: 2017-03-13 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 16 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-dugeon-brpc-stateful-00.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dugeon-brpc-stateful/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dugeon-brpc-stateful-00 Abstract: The Path Computation Element (PCE) working group (WG) has produced a set of RFCs to standardize the behavior of the Path Computation Element as a tool to help MPLS-TE, GMPLS LSP tunnels and Segment Routing paths placement. This also include the ability to compute inter-domain LSPs or Segment Routing path following a distributed or hierarchical approach. In complement to the original stateless mode, a stateful mode has been added. In particular, the new PCInitiate message allows a PCE to directly ask a PCC to setup an MPLS-TE, GMPLS LSP tunnels or a Segment Routing path. However, once computed, the inter-domain LSPs or Segment Routing path are hard to setup in the underlying network. Especially, in operational network, RSVP-TE signaling is not enable between BGP border routers. But, such RSVP- TE signaling is mandatory to setup contiguous LSP tunnels or to stitch or nest independent LSP tunnels to form the end-to-end inter- domain LSP tunnels. This draft propose to combine a Backward Recursive method with PCInitiate message to setup independent LSP tunnels per domain and stitch or nest the different LSP tunnels to setup end-to-end inter-domain LSP tunnels without the need of inter- domain signaling between BGP border routers. 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From nobody Mon Mar 13 14:33:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E50E4129BB0; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 14:33:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BLf9fAQBf9aI; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 14:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (asmtp1.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.248]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF51A129BAF; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 14:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v2DLXJr3001541; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 21:33:20 GMT Received: from 950129200 ([176.241.251.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v2DLXGqS001462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 13 Mar 2017 21:33:18 GMT From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Alvaro Retana'" , "'The IESG'" References: <148943037921.9243.15715481484070651192.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <148943037921.9243.15715481484070651192.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 21:33:18 -0000 Message-ID: <02ef01d29c41$70f69060$52e3b120$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQFv2IiCCztNbLo8K4e0RY+HJjuGsaJY0KHw Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.1.0.1062-22940.003 X-TM-AS-Result: No--3.548-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--3.548-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: 5+1rHnqhWUQ4HKI/yaqRm3GBmLio+mJggbNN0R684zMfXPl3V+d6vtPP dZlHfSVUxcck74AN5jbhzlV9jQaVX44fe2Jm7VBSBEfU2vugRF27nrAU9KQxUS3QLWdUvx/Vo8W MkQWv6iV95l0nVeyiuBQF+BLVItD4C24oEZ6SpSmb4wHqRpnaDuBqRyZZAJrRmzr6akmmBa+XRH 5kekvI5KRgEO8WkmbJMTlP558VqHRag8TQQU6HT1sHJUN3YxTmS1HkWjarFZFMktihVgodleQ/b JqlQQ/copZ51QxAj3fx+wL7E8WTG+w2n3R9PgSO6gsmHm5e1+w= Archived-At: Cc: pce@ietf.org, draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations@ietf.org, pce-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pce] Alvaro Retana's No Objection on draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations-09: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 21:33:26 -0000 > (2) By making TCP-AO/TLS "RECOMMENDED", this document is not in line with > RFC5440, where only TCP-MD5 is mandatory. I don't think the intent of > this document is to Update RFC5440, is it? Also, why would the > recommendations for this extension be different than those in > draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce (which doesn't go beyond what RFC5440 > mentions)? If you do keep the current recommendation, then > draft-ietf-pce-pceps should be a Normative reference. It is (should be?) clear that moving PCEP on beyond MD5 is a Good Thing. Ideally, everyone just gets on with it and the security update is handled by draft-ietf-pce-pceps. But that I-D is chugging along in the WG for some reason. Do we want: 1. All output from the WG to be blocked waiting for draft-ietf-pce-pceps? 2. All I-Ds to continue to say "just do MD5 per RFC 5440"? 3. To write sensible text in the Security Considerations and get on with life? 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Tue, 14 Mar 2017 05:02:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind?= To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.47.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148949292925.12701.6850378178949921553.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 05:02:09 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: pce@ietf.org, draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext@ietf.org, pce-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-ie?= =?utf-8?q?tf-pce-inter-layer-ext-12=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 12:02:09 -0000 Mirja Kühlewind has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext-12: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Minor comments: 1) I guess the I flag in the INTER-LAYER Object is actually not needed as the present of the INTER-LAYER Object already indicates that inter-layer information is requested, but that is not an issue. 2) Is the INTER-LAYER Object Flags registry really needed, given the limited amount of flag space??? 3) Security Consideration: "Inter-layer traffic engineering with PCE may raise new security issues when PCE-PCE communication is done between different layer networks for inter-layer path computation." This text is not very helpful as this section is meant to be used to document these new issues. From nobody Tue Mar 14 05:21:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1CA412955C; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 05:21:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind?= To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.47.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148949410985.12643.5697125806192991238.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 05:21:49 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce@ietf.org, pce@ietf.org, pce-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-ie?= =?utf-8?q?tf-pce-stateful-pce-18=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 12:21:50 -0000 Mirja Kühlewind has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-18: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Minor comment: The U flag in the STATEFUL-PCE-CAPABILITY TLV is probably not necessary as the presents of this TVL already indicates that updates are supported; however not an issue. From nobody Tue Mar 14 10:09:02 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D26B513299F; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 10:09:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.62 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.62 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ei96vTzaK48V; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 10:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (asmtp3.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 995B11329A2; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 10:08:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v2EH8tx0026980; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 17:08:55 GMT Received: from 950129200 ([176.241.251.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v2EH8pBu026946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 14 Mar 2017 17:08:54 GMT Reply-To: From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "=?utf-8?Q?'Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind'?=" , "'The IESG'" Cc: , , References: <148949292925.12701.6850378178949921553.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <148949292925.12701.6850378178949921553.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 17:08:53 -0000 Message-ID: <050801d29ce5$ab5c4340$0214c9c0$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQJSXX0Bu+iu2Bc3eFbD7mnSL8i0S6CVC5CQ Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.1.0.1062-22942.001 X-TM-AS-Result: No--7.624-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--7.624-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: vEvJ7Rh1lGgtDLX17eHj6OYAh37ZsBDCC/ExpXrHizyYfLu5qIysvizs QurLskPGD/gYyqVMntmsBs95l0gCuR2P280ZiGmRf9ZzOyEuzmgUkWvaqUqLH27KnFvLjRh/i54 tFjy4TOADTDGMzJypOdIriLLTJFyci5WS7jKSSdFIRA38P/dwbiTzSFehhfJrUNzg/KvQ9bDLJp EAS0wAVsSGf3BWU6o0JAM20RFs/ZtEKOCB2yjJK3BRIrj8R47FQrO4XR6BRQMV1ftQZOqqL1gaJ 4K2OZueJrhQBA4SrAELpvH8JohUjBMI+YRurTF4ZvOUKDbiir4Zj1j4BNp7XPgnJH5vm2+g02TS vqRko5CggyGbhdV9xKU9XNQ4nII7o585keZI4UF8orCXAPNkJH0tCKdnhB581kTfEkyaZdz6C0e Ps7A07SAhra4zm6Tyz09iYaKqUple6WoSIk7yShUNRHYc9rhKlDygXh6zAtDQYNb5ClGHoUMMpr cbiest Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-i?= =?utf-8?q?etf-pce-inter-layer-ext-12=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 17:09:01 -0000 Hej Mirja, Thanks for the review. > Minor comments: > 1) I guess the I flag in the INTER-LAYER Object is actually not needed = as > the present of the INTER-LAYER Object already indicates that = inter-layer > information is requested, but that is not an issue. I think that this is true in a PCReq, but it may be helpful for an = implementation to always include the object but toggle the flag. But in a PCRep the difference (while semantically the same) can have = different inference. Thus... If a PCReq has the object with I=3D1 and the PCRep has the object with = I=3D0 we know that the responder considered providing an interlayer = path, but did not. If, instead, the object is absent from the PCRep we = can't be sure how seriously the responder considered the request = (although the result is still a mono-layer path). > 2) Is the INTER-LAYER Object Flags registry really needed, given the > limited amount of flag space??? I think so, yes. The registry is to stop collisions. I don't see how the size of the range makes much (any) difference. If you don't have a registry, anyone can grab any bit and there is a = requirement that everyone reads every draft to avoid collisions. > 3) Security Consideration: "Inter-layer traffic engineering with PCE = may > raise new security > issues when PCE-PCE communication is done between different layer > networks for inter-layer path computation." > This text is not very helpful as this section is meant to be used = to > document these new issues. I'm trying to avoid saying "this should be obvious to one skilled in the = art" since that always annoys me when the US patent office says it to = me. We could fill this out as... OLD Inter-layer traffic engineering with PCE may raise new security issues when PCE-PCE communication is done between different layer networks for inter-layer path computation. Security issues may also exist when a single PCE is granted full visibility of TE information that applies to multiple layers. Path-Key-based mechanism defined in [RFC5520] MAY be applied to address the topology confidentiality between different layers. NEW=20 Inter-layer traffic engineering with PCE may raise new security issues when PCE-PCE communication is done between different layer networks for inter-layer path computation because information about the networks at different layers will necessarily be exposed in computation results. Furthermore, a PCE in one layer might use=20 computation requests to "probe" for information about the network in the other layer.=20 =20 Security issues may also exist when a single PCE is granted full=20 visibility of TE information that applies to multiple layers. In both cases cited here, the security concerns are to do with=20 exposure of information about a network to parties outside that network. These concerns relate to the privacy of the commercial details of a network, but it should also be understood that=20 distributing information about networks extends the attack surface for those networks. Path-Key-based mechanism defined in [RFC5520] MAY be applied to address the topology confidentiality between different layers. END Thanks, Adrian From nobody Tue Mar 14 10:25:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B581329E1 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 10:25:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.903 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.903 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8rEXkhaFKLgO for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 10:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kuehlewind.net (kuehlewind.net [83.169.45.111]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA6BC1329DE for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 10:25:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19676 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2017 18:18:29 +0100 Received: from p5dec2824.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (HELO ?192.168.178.33?) (93.236.40.36) by kuehlewind.net with ESMTPSA (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted, authenticated); 14 Mar 2017 18:18:29 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\)) From: "Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)" In-Reply-To: <050801d29ce5$ab5c4340$0214c9c0$@olddog.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 18:18:28 +0100 Cc: The IESG , pce@ietf.org, draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext@ietf.org, pce-chairs@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <148949292925.12701.6850378178949921553.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <050801d29ce5$ab5c4340$0214c9c0$@olddog.co.uk> To: adrian@olddog.co.uk X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-i?= =?utf-8?q?etf-pce-inter-layer-ext-12=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 17:25:13 -0000 Hi Adrian, comments below. > Am 14.03.2017 um 18:08 schrieb Adrian Farrel : >=20 > Hej Mirja, > Thanks for the review. >=20 >> Minor comments: >> 1) I guess the I flag in the INTER-LAYER Object is actually not = needed as >> the present of the INTER-LAYER Object already indicates that = inter-layer >> information is requested, but that is not an issue. >=20 > I think that this is true in a PCReq, but it may be helpful for an = implementation to always include the object but toggle the flag. > But in a PCRep the difference (while semantically the same) can have = different inference. Thus... > If a PCReq has the object with I=3D1 and the PCRep has the object with = I=3D0 we know that the responder considered providing an interlayer = path, but did not. If, instead, the object is absent from the PCRep we = can't be sure how seriously the responder considered the request = (although the result is still a mono-layer path). Okay. >=20 >> 2) Is the INTER-LAYER Object Flags registry really needed, given the >> limited amount of flag space??? >=20 > I think so, yes. > The registry is to stop collisions. > I don't see how the size of the range makes much (any) difference. > If you don't have a registry, anyone can grab any bit and there is a = requirement that everyone reads every draft to avoid collisions. Given the flag field in this document is specified as reserved, any new = doc that specifies a new flag must update this document. Hopefully the = process works well enough to not cause collisions (I=E2=80=99m confident = of that).=20 The size matters, as I would expect that the number of documents that = update this part is rather limited and therefore this is a viable and = scalable approach. However, if you=E2=80=99d decide to keep the registry, you should not = specify the remaining flag part as reserved (otherwise you still have to = update this document even if you have a registry).=20 I would still recommend not to use a registry. >=20 >> 3) Security Consideration: "Inter-layer traffic engineering with PCE = may >> raise new security >> issues when PCE-PCE communication is done between different layer >> networks for inter-layer path computation." >> This text is not very helpful as this section is meant to be used = to >> document these new issues. >=20 > I'm trying to avoid saying "this should be obvious to one skilled in = the art" since that always annoys me when the US patent office says it = to me. >=20 > We could fill this out as... >=20 > OLD > Inter-layer traffic engineering with PCE may raise new security > issues when PCE-PCE communication is done between different layer > networks for inter-layer path computation. Security issues may also > exist when a single PCE is granted full visibility of TE information > that applies to multiple layers. >=20 > Path-Key-based mechanism defined in [RFC5520] MAY be applied to > address the topology confidentiality between different layers. > NEW=20 > Inter-layer traffic engineering with PCE may raise new security > issues when PCE-PCE communication is done between different layer > networks for inter-layer path computation because information about > the networks at different layers will necessarily be exposed in > computation results. Furthermore, a PCE in one layer might use=20 > computation requests to "probe" for information about the network > in the other layer.=20 >=20 > Security issues may also exist when a single PCE is granted full=20 > visibility of TE information that applies to multiple layers. >=20 > In both cases cited here, the security concerns are to do with=20 > exposure of information about a network to parties outside that > network. These concerns relate to the privacy of the commercial > details of a network, but it should also be understood that=20 > distributing information about networks extends the attack surface > for those networks. >=20 > Path-Key-based mechanism defined in [RFC5520] MAY be applied to > address the topology confidentiality between different layers. > END Thanks! Much better! Mirja >=20 > Thanks, > Adrian >=20 From nobody Tue Mar 14 10:48:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 064B5121A4E; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 10:48:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.62 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.62 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id omSICGaR4QYF; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 10:48:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (asmtp4.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.175]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D5D11213F8; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 10:48:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp4.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v2EHmYx8025940; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 17:48:34 GMT Received: from 950129200 ([176.241.250.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp4.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v2EHmR2T025900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 14 Mar 2017 17:48:31 GMT Reply-To: From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Mirja Kuehlewind \(IETF\)'" Cc: "'The IESG'" , , , References: <148949292925.12701.6850378178949921553.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <050801d29ce5$ab5c4340$0214c9c0$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 17:48:30 -0000 Message-ID: <052d01d29ceb$34c52a70$9e4f7f50$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQJSXX0Bu+iu2Bc3eFbD7mnSL8i0SwJ+XrLSAyjVRrmgZ9+6QA== Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.1.0.1062-22942.001 X-TM-AS-Result: No--17.532-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--17.532-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: 9d2LtCNB3NLFPjpj+KrQKfHkpkyUphL94+ZcrqvCDkFbkEkbM1T7y242 Q6gP826QzKFxRzy/yjyOMDjZHc3LHaC0aaspfVux2DrYMLc1SE9Aq6/y5AEOOrrfxlRjqBJ3EGJ Ca/oTwlmoh31FHtwN8AWjdQRVNqGGoNQxMWUln01hHpATwph+yJ2lNATqz9zPseONmEIl6cJReD 6gNYbuko5QJnWdA+oBCjCvKeSuT46uyr/sGF0bIIxVBvj1jbcjvioP2AtQrfdrMbakJN8OeWS3E R2lnaX2Sk67Wm2PpK0kAzbREWz9m0Qo4IHbKMkrnbUZkYTzXIYUnXiHKcH7S914Aqe8EzF8vIwx rppyySnF0wMQNKBsDwum8fwmiFSMEwj5hG6tMXhm85QoNuKKvhmPWPgE2ntcHL8D2Jlysh8iL1G 7EVY5TkZrarpjLj2L6DyfhJn+3QrN2MV4VLPrfuYAh37ZsBDCxaYUXbZJ9N4gcyGevtftJ6PFjJ EFr+oloTCA5Efyn8CNo+PRbWqfRJBlLa6MK1y4 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-i?= =?utf-8?q?etf-pce-inter-layer-ext-12=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 17:48:38 -0000 Hi, That was quick! > >> 2) Is the INTER-LAYER Object Flags registry really needed, given = the > >> limited amount of flag space??? > > > > I think so, yes. > > The registry is to stop collisions. > > I don't see how the size of the range makes much (any) difference. > > If you don't have a registry, anyone can grab any bit and there is a = requirement > that everyone reads every draft to avoid collisions. >=20 > Given the flag field in this document is specified as reserved, any = new doc that > specifies a new flag must update this document. Hopefully the process = works > well enough to not cause collisions (I=E2=80=99m confident of that). >=20 > The size matters, as I would expect that the number of documents that = update > this part is rather limited and therefore this is a viable and = scalable approach. >=20 > However, if you=E2=80=99d decide to keep the registry, you should not = specify the > remaining flag part as reserved (otherwise you still have to update = this document > even if you have a registry). >=20 > I would still recommend not to use a registry. There is a difference between "Reserved" in an IANA registry and = "reserved" in the text. I believe we have used a tried and tested wording (well, as long as I = can recall) where: - unassigned bits are described in the protocol as "reserved - must be = set to zero, should be ignored" - unassigned bits are flagged in the registry as "unassigned" Such a formula never requires an update to the base RFC. > >> 3) Security Consideration: "Inter-layer traffic engineering with = PCE may > >> raise new security > >> issues when PCE-PCE communication is done between different layer > >> networks for inter-layer path computation." > >> This text is not very helpful as this section is meant to be used = to > >> document these new issues. > > > > I'm trying to avoid saying "this should be obvious to one skilled in = the art" since > that always annoys me when the US patent office says it to me. > > > > We could fill this out as... > > > > OLD > > Inter-layer traffic engineering with PCE may raise new security > > issues when PCE-PCE communication is done between different layer > > networks for inter-layer path computation. Security issues may = also > > exist when a single PCE is granted full visibility of TE = information > > that applies to multiple layers. > > > > Path-Key-based mechanism defined in [RFC5520] MAY be applied to > > address the topology confidentiality between different layers. > > NEW > > Inter-layer traffic engineering with PCE may raise new security > > issues when PCE-PCE communication is done between different layer > > networks for inter-layer path computation because information = about > > the networks at different layers will necessarily be exposed in > > computation results. Furthermore, a PCE in one layer might use > > computation requests to "probe" for information about the network > > in the other layer. > > > > Security issues may also exist when a single PCE is granted full > > visibility of TE information that applies to multiple layers. > > > > In both cases cited here, the security concerns are to do with > > exposure of information about a network to parties outside that > > network. These concerns relate to the privacy of the commercial > > details of a network, but it should also be understood that > > distributing information about networks extends the attack surface > > for those networks. > > > > Path-Key-based mechanism defined in [RFC5520] MAY be applied to > > address the topology confidentiality between different layers. > > END >=20 > Thanks! Much better! OK. Perhaps that can get added as an RFC Editor note? Cheers, Adrian From nobody Tue Mar 14 18:05:48 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D98FC129562; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 18:05:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ben Campbell To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext@ietf.org, Jonathan Hardwick , pce-chairs@ietf.org, jonathan.hardwick@metaswitch.com, pce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.47.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148953994688.24339.9408979324263736038.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 18:05:46 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext-12: (with DISCUSS) X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 01:05:47 -0000 Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext-12: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- If I am reading things correctly, the security considerations just say the extensions in this draft may raise new security considerations, but doesn't say anything about what they might be. That's an incomplete analysis. What new considerations actually (not "may") exist? What potential attacks may be enabled by these extensions, if any? Are there things people can do to mitigate them? From nobody Wed Mar 15 03:31:01 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08B5129AAA; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 03:30:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0vkaw2J9TPjR; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 03:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (asmtp2.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.249]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5DB55129AA4; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 03:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v2FAUmLu018006; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 10:30:48 GMT Received: from 950129200 ([176.241.250.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v2FAUi6w017862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 15 Mar 2017 10:30:47 GMT Reply-To: From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Ben Campbell'" , "'The IESG'" Cc: , , References: <148953994688.24339.9408979324263736038.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <148953994688.24339.9408979324263736038.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 10:30:44 -0000 Message-ID: <06a601d29d77$36484260$a2d8c720$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQKq5WYp9n0syXwu5BwBw77KMfqMBZ/lItfw Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.1.0.1062-22942.006 X-TM-AS-Result: No--11.100-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--11.100-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: u7Yf2n7Ca/1jDV//SvkH3hfY306nA3bonophrTcsI7badW4iYSMjUae7 nmhJA6kzQRaE9eMcoEnvkzitR82DjVgUI/fv1wT0QpxiLlDD9FVpeZ1cXZibx5C2/laM/GzdqUh rlcYQ3LF57OZgMiSXUJvam7E/mkYpYWo9dIuk10BCvapcIkxJXwBzfxM7vRJxwD2aqq07wzqUfp ETB+BNoyhNXEjAH5maudbFHAHdHJPVDAMEwzgZ7JVIEKhlTKps78+iNzIXmPOYfLu5qIysvnI1N /jgHoE1APJewjr9WbYFzmXTkU7qqxgHZ8655DOPOX/V8P8ail3InWAWA4yE6bazRqvlkBL0q7rF UcuGp/EgBwKKRHe+rzNM2Q0/cJv/F1buRrs6Ib1fFn8clf+o2CHq+LWI+NADHGZa+XxKtq0= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext-12: (with DISCUSS) X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 10:30:55 -0000 Ben, Please see the text proposed to address Mirja's Comment. Thanks, Adrian > -----Original Message----- > From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ben Campbell > Sent: 15 March 2017 01:06 > To: The IESG > Cc: pce@ietf.org; draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext@ietf.org; pce-chairs@ietf.org > Subject: [Pce] Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext-12: (with > DISCUSS) > > Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext-12: Discuss > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > DISCUSS: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > If I am reading things correctly, the security considerations just say > the extensions in this draft may raise new security considerations, but > doesn't say anything about what they might be. That's an incomplete > analysis. What new considerations actually (not "may") exist? What > potential attacks may be enabled by these extensions, if any? Are there > things people can do to mitigate them? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pce mailing list > Pce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce From nobody Wed Mar 15 08:02:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A9713160F; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 08:02:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.88 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.88 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gqW3irJhl2eW; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 08:02:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94F0D13160A; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 08:01:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.39] (cpe-66-25-7-22.tx.res.rr.com [66.25.7.22]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id v2FF1gFK089334 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 15 Mar 2017 10:01:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-66-25-7-22.tx.res.rr.com [66.25.7.22] claimed to be [10.0.1.39] From: "Ben Campbell" To: "Adrian Farrel" Cc: "The IESG" , pce@ietf.org, draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext@ietf.org, pce-chairs@ietf.org Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 10:01:44 -0500 Message-ID: <8928FE44-8848-41D1-A77E-F4C38AA34950@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <06a601d29d77$36484260$a2d8c720$@olddog.co.uk> References: <148953994688.24339.9408979324263736038.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <06a601d29d77$36484260$a2d8c720$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.6r5347) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext-12: (with DISCUSS) X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 15:02:17 -0000 The proposed text resolved my discuss. I will clear on the assumption it will make it in. Thanks! Ben. On 15 Mar 2017, at 5:30, Adrian Farrel wrote: > Ben, > > Please see the text proposed to address Mirja's Comment. > > Thanks, > Adrian > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ben Campbell >> Sent: 15 March 2017 01:06 >> To: The IESG >> Cc: pce@ietf.org; draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext@ietf.org; >> pce-chairs@ietf.org >> Subject: [Pce] Ben Campbell's Discuss on >> draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext-12: > (with >> DISCUSS) >> >> Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for >> draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext-12: Discuss >> >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut >> this >> introductory paragraph, however.) >> >> >> Please refer to >> https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html >> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >> >> >> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext/ >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> DISCUSS: >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> If I am reading things correctly, the security considerations just >> say >> the extensions in this draft may raise new security considerations, >> but >> doesn't say anything about what they might be. That's an incomplete >> analysis. What new considerations actually (not "may") exist? What >> potential attacks may be enabled by these extensions, if any? Are >> there >> things people can do to mitigate them? >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pce mailing list >> Pce@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pce From nobody Wed Mar 15 08:04:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAA831315C9; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 08:04:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ben Campbell To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext@ietf.org, Jonathan Hardwick , pce-chairs@ietf.org, jonathan.hardwick@metaswitch.com, pce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.47.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148959025769.14229.9274729239697574438.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 08:04:17 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext-12: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 15:04:17 -0000 Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext-12: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The "enhanced" security considerations proposed in response to Mirja's comments resolve my discuss. I am clearing on the assumption it makes it into the draft. I've moved my discuss point into the comments for now: If I am reading things correctly, the security considerations just say the extensions in this draft may raise new security considerations, but doesn't say anything about what they might be. That's an incomplete analysis. What new considerations actually (not "may") exist? What potential attacks may be enabled by these extensions, if any? Are there things people can do to mitigate them? From nobody Wed Mar 15 09:47:22 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD3013171A; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 09:47:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Daniel Franke To: Cc: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations.all@ietf.org, pce@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.47.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148959642972.14125.7359898996904258228@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 09:47:09 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] Review of draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations-09 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 16:47:10 -0000 Reviewer: Daniel Franke Review result: Has Issues I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other last call comments. I believe this document is READY WITH a minor ISSUE addressed below. The Security Considerations section of this document, along with its companion draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-18, appears to do a thorough job of enumerating the ways in which the newly-introduced message types can contribute to the ability of misbehaving PCCs and PCEs to disrupt each other, with consequences that generally strike me as acceptable. It duly recommends that PCEP be run over an authenticated channel to prevent these messages from being spoofed by a third party. I am unsure how this final recommendation is going to be implemented in practice. RFC 5440 characterizes channel security for PCEP as a work-in-progress as of 2009, and I lack sufficient familiarity with this area to know if the status quo has improved since then in practice. The TCP authentication option, cited in RFC 5440 as WIP, is now RFC 5925, but I don't know whether anyone actually uses it for this application. TLS is mentioned as another alternative, but existing standards documents give insufficient instruction on how to implement this interoperably, since there is no mention of port allocations, a STARTTLS scheme, an ALPN identification sequence, or anything else that would explain how to go about initiating the TLS session. It looks like draft-ietf-pce-pceps intends to rectify this. Addressing whatever deficiencies exist in PCEP security mechanisms obviously falls well outside the scope of this particular document to address. Even if the administrator fails to provide channel security for PCEP as recommended, adding support for stateful sync optimizations will not leave the network meaningfully worse-off than it was already. However -- and here's the ISSUE -- as Alvaro Retana already sort of touched on, the introduction of the Speaker Entity ID TLV means that implementation of stateful sync optimizations can't be entirely agnostic with respect to the choice of channel security mechanism. Implementations need to verify that the Speaker Entity ID is consistent with the cryptographic identity of the channel peer in order to prevent one PCC from spoofing the identity of another. Until PCEP channel security matures a bit I'm not how much concrete advice we can give implementers on how to do this properly, but somewhere in the document there should at least be an observation that this check should be present. I also second Retana's desire for greater consistency between this document, draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce, and RFC 5440 as to which channel security mechanisms are recommended and/or required. PS - sorry about the last minute review. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Everyone, The following is a summary of thoughts/discussions about Hierarchical P= CE discovery during/after IETF 96. After an operator configure a PCE hierarchy, i.e., parent PCE and child= PCE relations in a PCE system, do we need to determine (or discover) the = PCE hierarchy in the PCE protocol level? After an operator configures a parent PCE and a child PCE over a sessio= n, this parent-child PCE relationship needs to be determined (or discovered= ) in the PCE protocol level. This is similar to existing OSPF and BGP proto= col regarding to OSPF adjacency and BGP peer determination (or discovery). After an expected adjacency between two OSPF routers is configured by a= n operator, the OSPF protocol (refer to RFC 2328, Section 7) will determine= whether the adjacency is allowed based on the parameters configured, and f= orms the OSPF adjacency after the determination accordingly. If some parame= ters configured on two ends of the expected adjacency do not match, the OSP= F protocol will detect the mismatch and will not form the expected adjacenc= y. After an expected peer relation between two BGP routers is configured b= y an operator, the BGP protocol (refer to RFC 4271, Section 8) will determi= ne whether the expected peer relationship is allowed based on the parameter= s configured, and forms the BGP peer relation after the determination accor= dingly. Only after determining that the parent-child PCE relation can be formed= and has been formed, a child PCE can send its parent PCE the information a= bout the child PCE. This is also similar to existing OSPF and BGP protocol= regarding to OSPF link state information advertisement over an OSPF adjace= ncy and BGP route distribution over a BGP peer session. Why not use auto-discovery for Hierarchical PCE? There are security concerns in some cases. For two PCEs belonging to two different service providers, there are se= curity concerns for automatically discovering the parent-child PCE relation= between them without any configuration. For PCEs belonging to the same service providers, it is possible for so= me auto-discovery to discover the parent-child PCE relations among these PC= Es with minimum configurations. But some rules for determining/selecting wh= ich PCEs will be parent PCEs and which PCEs are child PCEs need to be defin= ed first. Why use term "discovery"? Determination seems better. The hierarchy of PCEs in a hierarchical system is configured first, and= then is determined or confirmed in the PCE protocol level. Using term "dis= covery" of Hierarchical PCE seems not fit well. Term "determination" seems = better. Best Regards, Huaimo --_000_5316A0AB3C851246A7CA5758973207D45014BD58SJCEML703CHMchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Everyone,

 

    = The following is a summary of thoughts/discussions about Hierarchical PCE discovery during/a= fter IETF 96.

 

    After an operator configure a PCE= hierarchy, i.e., parent PCE and child PCE relations in a PCE system,  = ;do we need to determine (or discover) the PCE hierarchy in the PCE protoco= l level?

 

    After an operator configures a pa= rent PCE and a child PCE over a session, this parent-child PCE relationship= needs to be determined (or discovered) in the PCE protocol level. This is = similar to existing OSPF and BGP protocol regarding to OSPF adjacency and BGP peer determination (or discovery).

 

    After an expected adjacency betwe= en two OSPF routers is configured by an operator, the OSPF protocol (refer = to RFC 2328, Section 7) will determine whether the adjacency is allowed bas= ed on the parameters configured, and forms the OSPF adjacency after the determination accordingly. If some parameters configur= ed on two ends of the expected adjacency do not match, the OSPF protocol wi= ll detect the mismatch and will not form the expected adjacency.=

 

    After an expected peer relation b= etween two BGP routers is configured by an operator, the BGP protocol (refe= r to RFC 4271, Section 8) will determine whether the expected peer relation= ship is allowed based on the parameters configured, and forms the BGP peer relation after the determination accordingly.<= /o:p>

 

    Only after determining that the p= arent-child PCE relation can be formed and has been formed, a child PCE can= send its parent PCE the information about the child PCE.  This is als= o similar to existing OSPF and BGP protocol regarding to OSPF link state information advertisement over an OSPF adjacency and BG= P route distribution over a BGP peer session.

 

 

    = Why not use auto-discovery for Hierarchical PCE?

 

    = There are security concerns in some cases.

 

    = For two PCEs belonging to two different service providers, there are securi= ty concerns for automatically discovering the parent-child PCE relation bet= ween them without any configuration.

 

    = For PCEs belonging to the same service providers, it is possible for some a= uto-discovery to discover the parent-child PCE relations among these PCEs w= ith minimum configurations. But some rules for determining/selecting which PCEs will be parent PCEs and which PCEs are child PCEs need to be de= fined first.

 

 

    = Why use term “discovery”? Determination seems better.

 

    = The hierarchy of PCEs in a hierarchical system is configured first, and the= n is determined or confirmed in the PCE protocol level. Using term “d= iscovery” of Hierarchical PCE seems not fit well. Term “determi= nation” seems better.

 

 

 

Best Regards,<= /o:p>

Huaimo

--_000_5316A0AB3C851246A7CA5758973207D45014BD58SJCEML703CHMchi_-- From nobody Wed Mar 15 16:59:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B6CB12E8FA; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 16:59:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jari Arkko To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce@ietf.org, Julien Meuric , pce-chairs@ietf.org, julien.meuric@orange.com, pce@ietf.org, joel.halpern@ericsson.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.47.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148962236203.14193.4397304792139481552.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 16:59:22 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] Jari Arkko's No Objection on draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-18: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 23:59:22 -0000 Jari Arkko has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-18: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Joel Halpern's Gen-ART review caused some discussion, which probably should be reflected in the final document. From nobody Thu Mar 16 02:46:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20E0D1273B1; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 02:46:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Lionel Morand To: Cc: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce.all@ietf.org, pce@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.47.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148965756308.14230.13426886469262710918@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 02:46:03 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] Review of draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-18 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 09:46:03 -0000 Reviewer: Lionel Morand Review result: Has Issues I have reviewed this document as part of the Operational directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written with the intent of improving the operational aspects of the IETF drafts. Comments that are not addressed in last call may be included in AD reviews during the IESG review. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other last call comments. I've pointed out some "issues" that might not be real issues for people involved in PCE but that could be at least clarified for readers of this document. Detailed comments are provided below. Regards, Lionel ******************** 2. Terminology This document uses the following terms defined in [RFC5440]: PCC, PCE, PCEP Peer, PCEP Speaker. This document uses the following terms defined in [RFC4655]: TED. This document uses the following terms defined in [RFC3031]: LSP. This document uses the following terms defined in [I-D.ietf-pce-stateful-pce-app]: Stateful PCE, Passive Stateful PCE, Active Stateful PCE, Delegation, LSP State Database. [LM] I didn't find a clear definition of the LSP state, except through the definition of the LSP State database in ietf-pce-stateful-pce-app, i.e. The second is the LSP State Database (LSP-DB), in which a PCE stores attributes of all active LSPs in the network, such as their paths through the network, bandwidth/resource usage, switching types and LSP constraints. As this document heavily relies on this LSP state concept, it could be useful to (re-)define it in this document or to find a correct reference for it. 3.2. Objectives The objectives for the protocol extensions to support stateful PCE described in this document are as follows: [...] o Allow a PCC to delegate control of its LSPs to an active stateful PCE such that a given LSP is under the control of a single PCE at any given time. A PCC may revoke this delegation at any time during the lifetime of the LSP. If LSP delegation is revoked while the PCEP session is up, the PCC MUST notify the PCE about the revocation. A PCE may return an LSP delegation at any point during the lifetime of the PCEP session. [LM] I'm assuming that the PCE returning the delegation has also to notify the PCC. If so, maybe: "the If LSP delegation is returned by the PCE while the PCEP session is up, the PCE MUST notify the PCE about the revocation." [LM] the bullet point could be then splitted into two bullets, one for PCC, one for PCE. 5.4. Capability Advertisement During PCEP Initialization Phase, PCEP Speakers (PCE or PCC) advertise their support of stateful PCEP extensions. A PCEP Speaker includes the "Stateful PCE Capability" TLV, described in Section 7.1.1, in the OPEN Object to advertise its support for PCEP stateful extensions. The Stateful Capability TLV includes the 'LSP Update' Flag that indicates whether the PCEP Speaker supports LSP parameter updates. The presence of the Stateful PCE Capability TLV in PCC's OPEN Object indicates that the PCC is willing to send LSP State Reports whenever LSP parameters or operational status changes. The presence of the Stateful PCE Capability TLV in PCE's OPEN message indicates that the PCE is interested in receiving LSP State Reports whenever LSP parameters or operational status changes. [LM] is it "willing/interested for" or just a capability indication? It is not the same thing from a procedure point of view. The PCEP extensions for stateful PCEs MUST NOT be used if one or both PCEP Speakers have not included the Stateful PCE Capability TLV in their respective OPEN message. If the PCEP Speaker on the PCC supports the extensions of this draft but did not advertise this capability, then upon receipt of PCUpd message from the PCE, it MUST generate a PCErr with error-type 19 (Invalid Operation), error-value 2 (Attempted LSP Update Request if the stateful PCE capability was not advertised)(see Section 8.5) and it SHOULD terminate the PCEP session. If the PCEP Speaker on the PCE supports the extensions of this draft but did not advertise this capability, then upon receipt of a PCRpt message from the PCC, it MUST generate a PCErr with error- type 19 (Invalid Operation), error-value 5 (Attempted LSP State Report if active stateful PCE capability was not advertised) (see Section 8.5) and it SHOULD terminate the PCEP session. [LM] why the recommendation for closing the session if an explicit error is sent back? The session could remain open i.e. except stateful PCEP extensions,everything else would be fine. If the session termination is the right thing to do, as we are in a clear error case (as the PCEP speaker should not send the report or the update), the SHOULD should probably be a MUST hee. [LM] Is there any reason to use a specific error in such a case? The PCE could just behave as a PCE not supporting the feature. Why is it important for the supporting PCEP speaker to make the difference? The generic behavior described in RFC5440 is not enough? [LM] active/passive mode are not advertized in PCEP. s/if active stateful PCE capability was not advertised/if stateful PCE capability was not advertised >From RFC5440: "6.9. Reception of Unknown Messages A PCEP implementation that receives an unrecognized PCEP message MUST send a PCErr message with Error-value=2 (capability not supported). If a PCC/PCE receives unrecognized messages at a rate equal or greater than MAX-UNKNOWN-MESSAGES unknown message requests per minute, the PCC/PCE MUST send a PCEP CLOSE message with close value="Reception of an unacceptable number of unknown PCEP message". A RECOMMENDED value for MAX-UNKNOWN-MESSAGES is 5. The PCC/PCE MUST close the TCP session and MUST NOT send any further PCEP messages on the PCEP session." [LM] If it is the case, the error handling would be the same between a PCEP speaker supporting the feature but not advertizing it and a PCEP speaker not supporting the feature. And it would not be possible possible to use the specific error responses to infer the capability supported by the other node. Note that even if the update capability has not been advertised, a PCE can still accept LSP Status Reports from a PCC and build and maintain an up to date view of the state of the PCC's LSPs. [LM] I don't undersand. Is it not in contradiction with "If the PCEP Speaker on the PCE supports the extensions of this draft but did not advertise this capability, then upon receipt of a PCRpt message from the PCC, it MUST generate a PCErr with error- type 19 (Invalid Operation), error-value 5 (Attempted LSP State Report if active stateful PCE capability was not advertised) (see Section 8.5) and it SHOULD terminate the PCEP session." Or does it mean that there is another way than PCRpt message for the PCC to send LSP status reports to the PCE? [LM] In this section, it is not described how non-supporting PCEP speaker will hanlded the new TLV. It could be said that unrecognized TLVs will be ignored (as per RFC5440) and OPEN messages will be handled as per RFC5440 (if the comment above is accepted). [LM] Would it be useful to discover (using another TLV) whether the PCE is an active/passive stateful PCE, as in IGP-based capabilities discovery mechanism? 5.5. IGP Extensions for Stateful PCE Capabilities Advertisement When PCCs are LSRs participating in the IGP (OSPF or IS-IS), and PCEs are either LSRs or servers also participating in the IGP, an effective mechanism for PCE discovery within an IGP routing domain consists of utilizing IGP advertisements. [...] Note that while active and passive stateful PCE capabilities may be advertised during discovery, PCEP Speakers that wish to use stateful PCEP MUST negotiate stateful PCEP capabilities during PCEP session setup, as specified in the current document. A PCC MAY initiate stateful PCEP capability negotiation at PCEP session setup even if it did not receive any IGP PCE capability advertisements. [LM] As said above, an as stated in section 5.4: "The PCEP extensions for stateful PCEs MUST NOT be used if one or both PCEP Speakers have not included the Stateful PCE Capability TLV in their respective OPEN message." What is the real added-value of this IGP-based mechanism? Only to be able to identify active PCE/passive PCE mode? 5.6. State Synchronization [LM] "State" could be misleading. "LSP State Sync" would be more approriate/accurate I think. The purpose of State Synchronization is to provide a checkpoint-in- time state replica of a PCC's LSP state in a PCE. State Synchronization is performed immediately after the Initialization phase ([RFC5440]). During State Synchronization, a PCC first takes a snapshot of the state of its LSPs state, then sends the snapshot to a PCE in a sequence of LSP State Reports. Each LSP State Report sent during State Synchronization has the SYNC Flag in the LSP Object set to 1. The set of LSPs for which state is synchronized with a PCE is determined by advertised stateful PCEP capabilities and PCC's local configuration (see more details in Section 9.1). [LM] It seems that : "The set of LSPs for which state is synchronized" should be: "The set of LSPs for which state is to be synchronized" [LM] I don't see how the "advertised stateful PCEP capabilities" have an effect on the set of LSP to synchronize. The capabilities adv is only used to discover stateful PCE capabilities and see if the related PCEP extensions can be used. The identification of the LSPs to synchronize seems to be only based on policies configured in the PCC. The end of synchronization marker is a PCRpt message with the SYNC Flag set to 0 for an LSP Object with PLSP-ID equal to the reserved value 0 (see Section 7.3). In this case, the LSP Object SHOULD NOT include the SYMBOLIC-PATH-NAME TLV and SHOULD include the LSP- IDENTIFIERS TLV with the special value of all zeroes. The PCRpt message MUST include an empty ERO as its intended path and SHOULD NOT include the optional RRO object for its actual path. [LM] What is the reason for the use of "SHOULD" here, instead of "MUST"? If the PCC has no state to synchronize, it SHOULD only send the end of synchronization marker. [LM] Is it when there is no active LSP? If it is, it could be useful to clarify it. And it is maybe not so related to the text just before. It could be clarified in a separate paragraph. A PCE SHOULD NOT send PCUpd messages to a PCC before State Synchronization is complete. A PCC SHOULD NOT send PCReq messages to a PCE before State Synchronization is complete. This is to allow the PCE to get the best possible view of the network before it starts computing new paths. [LM] it is obviously assumed that this requirement is true for PCC/PCE explicitly advertizing support of stateful PCE capability. If the PCC encounters a problem which prevents it from completing the state transfer, it MUST send a PCErr message with error-type 20 (LSP State Synchronization Error) and error-value 5 (indicating an internal PCC error) to the PCE and terminate the session. [LM] s/state transfer/LSP state synchornization 5.7.1. Delegating an LSP A PCC delegates an LSP to a PCE by setting the Delegate flag in LSP State Report to 1. If the PCE does not accept the LSP Delegation, it MUST immediately respond with an empty LSP Update Request which has the Delegate flag set to 0. If the PCE accepts the LSP Delegation, it MUST set the Delegate flag to 1 when it sends an LSP Update Request for the delegated LSP (note that this may occur at a later time). The PCE MAY also immediately acknowledge a delegation by sending an empty LSP Update Request which has the Delegate flag set to 1. [LM] if the delegation is not aceepted by the PCE, I assume that the PCC should not set the Delegate flag in subsequent LSP state report. If it is, this could be clarified somewhere in this section. [..] Note that for an LSP to remain delegated to a PCE, the PCC MUST set the Delegate flag to 1 on each LSP Status Report sent to the PCE. [LM] s/each LSP Status Report/each LSP State Report for this LSP. 5.7.2.1. Explicit Revocation When a PCC decides that a PCE is no longer permitted to modify an LSP, it revokes that LSP's delegation to the PCE. A PCC may revoke an LSP delegation at any time during the LSP's life time. A PCC revoking an LSP delegation MAY immediately clear the LSP state provided by the PCE, but to avoid traffic loss, it SHOULD do so in a make-before-break fashion. [LM] After PCE delegation revocation, is there really a requirement for LSP state clean-up? The revocation is used to remove the authorization of LSP state update to the PCE but I don't see why the PCC would clear LSP state after revocation. The LSP state can be updated using operator-defined default parameters, right? If the PCC has received but not yet acted on PCUpd messages from the PCE for the LSP whose delegation is being revoked, then it SHOULD ignore these PCUpd messages when processing the message queue. All effects of all messages for which processing started before the revocation took place MUST be allowed to complete and the result MUST be given the same treatment as any LSP that had been previously delegated to the PCE (e.g. the state MAY be immediately cleared). [LM] If I correctly understood the text above, after revocation of the PCE delegation, - any PCUpd should be rejected and not ignored - the LSP state(s) that was delegated to the PCE cannot be changed until all the messages in the message queue have been processed. If I'm correct, the text above could be clarified. Any further PCUpd messages from the PCE are handled according to the PCUpd procedures described in this document. [LM] Not understood. Further PCUpd "will result in the PCC sending a PCErr message" as said after the figure. 5.7.2.2. Revocation on Redelegation Timeout When a PCC's PCEP session with a PCE terminates unexpectedly, the PCC MUST wait the time interval specified in Redelegation Timeout Interval before revoking LSP delegations to that PCE and attempting to redelegate LSPs to an alternate PCE. If a PCEP session with the original PCE can be reestablished before the Redelegation Timeout Interval timer expires, LSP delegations to the PCE remain intact. [LM] In case of PCEP session interruption, is there a requirement for the PCE to update delegated LSP states in order to ensure the synchronization between states in the PCE and in the PCC? Likewise, when a PCC's PCEP session with a PCE terminates unexpectedly, the PCC MUST wait for the State Timeout Interval before flushing any LSP state associated with that PCE. [LM] it should be clarified that the "flushing" applies only if there is no other PCE. Otherwise, see section 5.7.4 Note that the State Timeout Interval timer may expire before the PCC has redelegated the LSPs to another PCE, for example if a PCC is not connected to any active stateful PCE or if no connected active stateful PCE accepts the delegation. [LM] Not sure to understand. Is it "if a PCC is not connected to any OTHER active stateful PCE or if no OTHER connected active stateful PCE accepts the delegation? In this case, the PCC MUST flush any LSP state set by the PCE upon expiration of the State Timeout Interval and revert to operator-defined default parameters or behaviors. This operation SHOULD be done in a make-before-break fashion. [LM] I think it is important to make the distinction between PCC with only one PCE and PCC with N PCE. The "Note that" could be put in a separate section. The State Timeout Interval MUST be greater than or equal to the Redelegation Timeout Interval and MAY be set to infinity (meaning that until the PCC specifically takes action to change the parameters set by the PCE, they will remain intact). [LM] reading "the State Timeout Interval timer may expire before the PCC has redelegated the LSPs to another PCE" could be understood as STI timer < RTI timer. And here, it is stated STI timer >= RTI timer. Depending on the clarification on the previous comment, this text could be also clarified (or not) 5.7.3. Returning a Delegation In order to keep a delegation, a PCE MUST set the Delegate flag to 1 on each LSP Update Request sent to the PCC. A PCE that no longer wishes to update an LSP's parameters SHOULD return the LSP delegation back to the PCC by sending an empty LSP Update Request which has the Delegate flag set to 0. If a PCC receives an LSP Update Request with the Delegate flag set to 0 (whether the LSP Update Request is empty or not), it MUST treat this as a delegation return. +-+-+ +-+-+ |PCC| |PCE| +-+-+ +-+-+ | | |---PCRpt, Delegate=1--->| LSP delegated | . | | . | | . | |<--PCUpd, Delegate=0----| Delegation returned | | |---PCRpt, Delegate=0--->| No delegation for LSP | | Figure 6: Returning a Delegation If a PCC cannot delegate an LSP to a PCE (for example, if a PCC is not connected to any active stateful PCE or if no connected active stateful PCE accepts the delegation), the LSP delegation on the PCC will time out within a configurable Redelegation Timeout Interval and the PCC MUST flush any LSP state set by a PCE at the expiration of the State Timeout Interval. [LM] same comment: is it "for example, if a PCC is not connected to any OTHER active stateful PCE or if no OTHER connected active stateful PCE accepts the delegation"? [LM] "the PCC MUST flush any LSP state set" should be completed by "and revert to operator-defined default parameters or behaviors", right? 5.7.5. Redelegation on PCE Failure [...] If the PCE crashes but recovers within the Redelegation Timeout, both the delegation state and the LSP state are kept intact. [LM] "Recover" here seems to be associated with the PCEP session (as linked to the Redelegation Timeout), not with the LSP states maintained by the PCE. [LM] How can the PCC be ensured that the PCE has not been impacted by the stop/restart and that LSP states are intact? Is there any need for a sanity check? If the PCE crashes but does not recover within the Redelegation Timeout, the delegation state is returned to the PCC. If the PCC can redelegate the LSPs to another PCE, and that PCE accepts the delegations, there will be no change in LSP state. If the PCC cannot redelegate the LSPs to another PCE, then upon expiration of the State Timeout Interval, the state set by the PCE is flushed, which may cause change in the LSP state. [LM] the last sentence is difficult to understand. How to understand "flush the state MAY cause change in the LSP state"? It would like talking about two different states in the PCC. [LM] about "flushed", should we add "and revert to operator-defined default parameters or behaviors"? [...] If there is a standby PCE, the Redelegation Timeout may be set to 0 through policy on the PCC, causing the LSPs to be redelegated immediately to the PCC, which can delegate them immediately to the standby PCE. Assuming the State Timeout Interval is greater than the Redelegation Timeout, and assuming the standby PCE takes similar decisions as the failed PCE, the LSP state will be kept intact. [LM] the first "assuming" is not an assumption but a requirement, according to "The State Timeout Interval MUST be greater than or equal to the Redelegation Timeout Interval" 5.8.1. Passive Stateful PCE Path Computation Request/Response +-+-+ +-+-+ |PCC| |PCE| +-+-+ +-+-+ | | 1) Path computation |----- PCReq message --->| request sent to | |2) Path computation PCE | | request received, | | path computed | | |<---- PCRep message ----|3) Computed paths | (Positive reply) | sent to the PCC | (Negative reply) | 4) LSP Status change| | event | | | | 5) LSP Status Report|----- PCRpt message --->| sent to all | . | stateful PCEs | . | | . | 6) Repeat for each |----- PCRpt message --->| LSP status change| | | | Figure 7: Passive Stateful PCE Path Computation Request/Response [LM] in the figure, please use "state" instead of "status" 7.1. OPEN Object This document defines one new optional TLVs for use in the OPEN Object. s/one new optional TLVs/one new optional TLV 7.2. SRP Object The SRP (Stateful PCE Request Parameters) object MUST be carried within PCUpd messages and MAY be carried within PCRpt and PCErr messages. The SRP object is used to correlate between update requests sent by the PCE and the error reports and state reports sent by the PCC. [LM] Should we add the following text at the end of the section? "Optional TLVs may be included within the SRP object body. The specification of such TLVs is outside the scope of this document." 7.3. LSP Object [...] TLVs that may be included in the LSP Object are described in the following sections. [LM] I think that it is possible to add extra optional TLV, not defined in this document. This should be clarified if I'm correct. From nobody Thu Mar 16 05:00:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEC69129439; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 04:59:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Benoit Claise To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce@ietf.org, Julien Meuric , pce-chairs@ietf.org, julien.meuric@orange.com, pce@ietf.org, lionel.morand@orange.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.47.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148966559871.14189.11471082246335667132.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 04:59:58 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] Benoit Claise's No Objection on draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-18: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:59:59 -0000 Benoit Claise has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-18: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Below is Lionel's OPS DIR review. I've pointed out some "issues" that might not be real issues for people involved in PCE but that could be at least clarified for readers of this document. Detailed comments are provided below. Regards, Lionel ******************** 2. Terminology This document uses the following terms defined in [RFC5440]: PCC, PCE, PCEP Peer, PCEP Speaker. This document uses the following terms defined in [RFC4655]: TED. This document uses the following terms defined in [RFC3031]: LSP. This document uses the following terms defined in [I-D.ietf-pce-stateful-pce-app]: Stateful PCE, Passive Stateful PCE, Active Stateful PCE, Delegation, LSP State Database. [LM] I didn't find a clear definition of the LSP state, except through the definition of the LSP State database in ietf-pce-stateful-pce-app, i.e. The second is the LSP State Database (LSP-DB), in which a PCE stores attributes of all active LSPs in the network, such as their paths through the network, bandwidth/resource usage, switching types and LSP constraints. As this document heavily relies on this LSP state concept, it could be useful to (re-)define it in this document or to find a correct reference for it. 3.2. Objectives The objectives for the protocol extensions to support stateful PCE described in this document are as follows: [...] o Allow a PCC to delegate control of its LSPs to an active stateful PCE such that a given LSP is under the control of a single PCE at any given time. A PCC may revoke this delegation at any time during the lifetime of the LSP. If LSP delegation is revoked while the PCEP session is up, the PCC MUST notify the PCE about the revocation. A PCE may return an LSP delegation at any point during the lifetime of the PCEP session. [LM] I'm assuming that the PCE returning the delegation has also to notify the PCC. If so, maybe: "the If LSP delegation is returned by the PCE while the PCEP session is up, the PCE MUST notify the PCE about the revocation." [LM] the bullet point could be then splitted into two bullets, one for PCC, one for PCE. 5.4. Capability Advertisement During PCEP Initialization Phase, PCEP Speakers (PCE or PCC) advertise their support of stateful PCEP extensions. A PCEP Speaker includes the "Stateful PCE Capability" TLV, described in Section 7.1.1, in the OPEN Object to advertise its support for PCEP stateful extensions. The Stateful Capability TLV includes the 'LSP Update' Flag that indicates whether the PCEP Speaker supports LSP parameter updates. The presence of the Stateful PCE Capability TLV in PCC's OPEN Object indicates that the PCC is willing to send LSP State Reports whenever LSP parameters or operational status changes. The presence of the Stateful PCE Capability TLV in PCE's OPEN message indicates that the PCE is interested in receiving LSP State Reports whenever LSP parameters or operational status changes. [LM] is it "willing/interested for" or just a capability indication? It is not the same thing from a procedure point of view. The PCEP extensions for stateful PCEs MUST NOT be used if one or both PCEP Speakers have not included the Stateful PCE Capability TLV in their respective OPEN message. If the PCEP Speaker on the PCC supports the extensions of this draft but did not advertise this capability, then upon receipt of PCUpd message from the PCE, it MUST generate a PCErr with error-type 19 (Invalid Operation), error-value 2 (Attempted LSP Update Request if the stateful PCE capability was not advertised)(see Section 8.5) and it SHOULD terminate the PCEP session. If the PCEP Speaker on the PCE supports the extensions of this draft but did not advertise this capability, then upon receipt of a PCRpt message from the PCC, it MUST generate a PCErr with error- type 19 (Invalid Operation), error-value 5 (Attempted LSP State Report if active stateful PCE capability was not advertised) (see Section 8.5) and it SHOULD terminate the PCEP session. [LM] why the recommendation for closing the session if an explicit error is sent back? The session could remain open i.e. except stateful PCEP extensions,everything else would be fine. If the session termination is the right thing to do, as we are in a clear error case (as the PCEP speaker should not send the report or the update), the SHOULD should probably be a MUST hee. [LM] Is there any reason to use a specific error in such a case? The PCE could just behave as a PCE not supporting the feature. Why is it important for the supporting PCEP speaker to make the difference? The generic behavior described in RFC5440 is not enough? [LM] active/passive mode are not advertized in PCEP. s/if active stateful PCE capability was not advertised/if stateful PCE capability was not advertised >From RFC5440: "6.9. Reception of Unknown Messages A PCEP implementation that receives an unrecognized PCEP message MUST send a PCErr message with Error-value=2 (capability not supported). If a PCC/PCE receives unrecognized messages at a rate equal or greater than MAX-UNKNOWN-MESSAGES unknown message requests per minute, the PCC/PCE MUST send a PCEP CLOSE message with close value="Reception of an unacceptable number of unknown PCEP message". A RECOMMENDED value for MAX-UNKNOWN-MESSAGES is 5. The PCC/PCE MUST close the TCP session and MUST NOT send any further PCEP messages on the PCEP session." [LM] If it is the case, the error handling would be the same between a PCEP speaker supporting the feature but not advertizing it and a PCEP speaker not supporting the feature. And it would not be possible possible to use the specific error responses to infer the capability supported by the other node. Note that even if the update capability has not been advertised, a PCE can still accept LSP Status Reports from a PCC and build and maintain an up to date view of the state of the PCC's LSPs. [LM] I don't undersand. Is it not in contradiction with "If the PCEP Speaker on the PCE supports the extensions of this draft but did not advertise this capability, then upon receipt of a PCRpt message from the PCC, it MUST generate a PCErr with error- type 19 (Invalid Operation), error-value 5 (Attempted LSP State Report if active stateful PCE capability was not advertised) (see Section 8.5) and it SHOULD terminate the PCEP session." Or does it mean that there is another way than PCRpt message for the PCC to send LSP status reports to the PCE? [LM] In this section, it is not described how non-supporting PCEP speaker will hanlded the new TLV. It could be said that unrecognized TLVs will be ignored (as per RFC5440) and OPEN messages will be handled as per RFC5440 (if the comment above is accepted). [LM] Would it be useful to discover (using another TLV) whether the PCE is an active/passive stateful PCE, as in IGP-based capabilities discovery mechanism? 5.5. IGP Extensions for Stateful PCE Capabilities Advertisement When PCCs are LSRs participating in the IGP (OSPF or IS-IS), and PCEs are either LSRs or servers also participating in the IGP, an effective mechanism for PCE discovery within an IGP routing domain consists of utilizing IGP advertisements. [...] Note that while active and passive stateful PCE capabilities may be advertised during discovery, PCEP Speakers that wish to use stateful PCEP MUST negotiate stateful PCEP capabilities during PCEP session setup, as specified in the current document. A PCC MAY initiate stateful PCEP capability negotiation at PCEP session setup even if it did not receive any IGP PCE capability advertisements. [LM] As said above, an as stated in section 5.4: "The PCEP extensions for stateful PCEs MUST NOT be used if one or both PCEP Speakers have not included the Stateful PCE Capability TLV in their respective OPEN message." What is the real added-value of this IGP-based mechanism? Only to be able to identify active PCE/passive PCE mode? 5.6. State Synchronization [LM] "State" could be misleading. "LSP State Sync" would be more approriate/accurate I think. The purpose of State Synchronization is to provide a checkpoint-in- time state replica of a PCC's LSP state in a PCE. State Synchronization is performed immediately after the Initialization phase ([RFC5440]). During State Synchronization, a PCC first takes a snapshot of the state of its LSPs state, then sends the snapshot to a PCE in a sequence of LSP State Reports. Each LSP State Report sent during State Synchronization has the SYNC Flag in the LSP Object set to 1. The set of LSPs for which state is synchronized with a PCE is determined by advertised stateful PCEP capabilities and PCC's local configuration (see more details in Section 9.1). [LM] It seems that : "The set of LSPs for which state is synchronized" should be: "The set of LSPs for which state is to be synchronized" [LM] I don't see how the "advertised stateful PCEP capabilities" have an effect on the set of LSP to synchronize. The capabilities adv is only used to discover stateful PCE capabilities and see if the related PCEP extensions can be used. The identification of the LSPs to synchronize seems to be only based on policies configured in the PCC. The end of synchronization marker is a PCRpt message with the SYNC Flag set to 0 for an LSP Object with PLSP-ID equal to the reserved value 0 (see Section 7.3). In this case, the LSP Object SHOULD NOT include the SYMBOLIC-PATH-NAME TLV and SHOULD include the LSP- IDENTIFIERS TLV with the special value of all zeroes. The PCRpt message MUST include an empty ERO as its intended path and SHOULD NOT include the optional RRO object for its actual path. [LM] What is the reason for the use of "SHOULD" here, instead of "MUST"? If the PCC has no state to synchronize, it SHOULD only send the end of synchronization marker. [LM] Is it when there is no active LSP? If it is, it could be useful to clarify it. And it is maybe not so related to the text just before. It could be clarified in a separate paragraph. A PCE SHOULD NOT send PCUpd messages to a PCC before State Synchronization is complete. A PCC SHOULD NOT send PCReq messages to a PCE before State Synchronization is complete. This is to allow the PCE to get the best possible view of the network before it starts computing new paths. [LM] it is obviously assumed that this requirement is true for PCC/PCE explicitly advertizing support of stateful PCE capability. If the PCC encounters a problem which prevents it from completing the state transfer, it MUST send a PCErr message with error-type 20 (LSP State Synchronization Error) and error-value 5 (indicating an internal PCC error) to the PCE and terminate the session. [LM] s/state transfer/LSP state synchornization 5.7.1. Delegating an LSP A PCC delegates an LSP to a PCE by setting the Delegate flag in LSP State Report to 1. If the PCE does not accept the LSP Delegation, it MUST immediately respond with an empty LSP Update Request which has the Delegate flag set to 0. If the PCE accepts the LSP Delegation, it MUST set the Delegate flag to 1 when it sends an LSP Update Request for the delegated LSP (note that this may occur at a later time). The PCE MAY also immediately acknowledge a delegation by sending an empty LSP Update Request which has the Delegate flag set to 1. [LM] if the delegation is not aceepted by the PCE, I assume that the PCC should not set the Delegate flag in subsequent LSP state report. If it is, this could be clarified somewhere in this section. [..] Note that for an LSP to remain delegated to a PCE, the PCC MUST set the Delegate flag to 1 on each LSP Status Report sent to the PCE. [LM] s/each LSP Status Report/each LSP State Report for this LSP. 5.7.2.1. Explicit Revocation When a PCC decides that a PCE is no longer permitted to modify an LSP, it revokes that LSP's delegation to the PCE. A PCC may revoke an LSP delegation at any time during the LSP's life time. A PCC revoking an LSP delegation MAY immediately clear the LSP state provided by the PCE, but to avoid traffic loss, it SHOULD do so in a make-before-break fashion. [LM] After PCE delegation revocation, is there really a requirement for LSP state clean-up? The revocation is used to remove the authorization of LSP state update to the PCE but I don't see why the PCC would clear LSP state after revocation. The LSP state can be updated using operator-defined default parameters, right? If the PCC has received but not yet acted on PCUpd messages from the PCE for the LSP whose delegation is being revoked, then it SHOULD ignore these PCUpd messages when processing the message queue. All effects of all messages for which processing started before the revocation took place MUST be allowed to complete and the result MUST be given the same treatment as any LSP that had been previously delegated to the PCE (e.g. the state MAY be immediately cleared). [LM] If I correctly understood the text above, after revocation of the PCE delegation, - any PCUpd should be rejected and not ignored - the LSP state(s) that was delegated to the PCE cannot be changed until all the messages in the message queue have been processed. If I'm correct, the text above could be clarified. Any further PCUpd messages from the PCE are handled according to the PCUpd procedures described in this document. [LM] Not understood. Further PCUpd "will result in the PCC sending a PCErr message" as said after the figure. 5.7.2.2. Revocation on Redelegation Timeout When a PCC's PCEP session with a PCE terminates unexpectedly, the PCC MUST wait the time interval specified in Redelegation Timeout Interval before revoking LSP delegations to that PCE and attempting to redelegate LSPs to an alternate PCE. If a PCEP session with the original PCE can be reestablished before the Redelegation Timeout Interval timer expires, LSP delegations to the PCE remain intact. [LM] In case of PCEP session interruption, is there a requirement for the PCE to update delegated LSP states in order to ensure the synchronization between states in the PCE and in the PCC? Likewise, when a PCC's PCEP session with a PCE terminates unexpectedly, the PCC MUST wait for the State Timeout Interval before flushing any LSP state associated with that PCE. [LM] it should be clarified that the "flushing" applies only if there is no other PCE. Otherwise, see section 5.7.4 Note that the State Timeout Interval timer may expire before the PCC has redelegated the LSPs to another PCE, for example if a PCC is not connected to any active stateful PCE or if no connected active stateful PCE accepts the delegation. [LM] Not sure to understand. Is it "if a PCC is not connected to any OTHER active stateful PCE or if no OTHER connected active stateful PCE accepts the delegation? In this case, the PCC MUST flush any LSP state set by the PCE upon expiration of the State Timeout Interval and revert to operator-defined default parameters or behaviors. This operation SHOULD be done in a make-before-break fashion. [LM] I think it is important to make the distinction between PCC with only one PCE and PCC with N PCE. The "Note that" could be put in a separate section. The State Timeout Interval MUST be greater than or equal to the Redelegation Timeout Interval and MAY be set to infinity (meaning that until the PCC specifically takes action to change the parameters set by the PCE, they will remain intact). [LM] reading "the State Timeout Interval timer may expire before the PCC has redelegated the LSPs to another PCE" could be understood as STI timer < RTI timer. And here, it is stated STI timer >= RTI timer. Depending on the clarification on the previous comment, this text could be also clarified (or not) 5.7.3. Returning a Delegation In order to keep a delegation, a PCE MUST set the Delegate flag to 1 on each LSP Update Request sent to the PCC. A PCE that no longer wishes to update an LSP's parameters SHOULD return the LSP delegation back to the PCC by sending an empty LSP Update Request which has the Delegate flag set to 0. If a PCC receives an LSP Update Request with the Delegate flag set to 0 (whether the LSP Update Request is empty or not), it MUST treat this as a delegation return. +-+-+ +-+-+ |PCC| |PCE| +-+-+ +-+-+ | | |---PCRpt, Delegate=1--->| LSP delegated | . | | . | | . | |<--PCUpd, Delegate=0----| Delegation returned | | |---PCRpt, Delegate=0--->| No delegation for LSP | | Figure 6: Returning a Delegation If a PCC cannot delegate an LSP to a PCE (for example, if a PCC is not connected to any active stateful PCE or if no connected active stateful PCE accepts the delegation), the LSP delegation on the PCC will time out within a configurable Redelegation Timeout Interval and the PCC MUST flush any LSP state set by a PCE at the expiration of the State Timeout Interval. [LM] same comment: is it "for example, if a PCC is not connected to any OTHER active stateful PCE or if no OTHER connected active stateful PCE accepts the delegation"? [LM] "the PCC MUST flush any LSP state set" should be completed by "and revert to operator-defined default parameters or behaviors", right? 5.7.5. Redelegation on PCE Failure [...] If the PCE crashes but recovers within the Redelegation Timeout, both the delegation state and the LSP state are kept intact. [LM] "Recover" here seems to be associated with the PCEP session (as linked to the Redelegation Timeout), not with the LSP states maintained by the PCE. [LM] How can the PCC be ensured that the PCE has not been impacted by the stop/restart and that LSP states are intact? Is there any need for a sanity check? If the PCE crashes but does not recover within the Redelegation Timeout, the delegation state is returned to the PCC. If the PCC can redelegate the LSPs to another PCE, and that PCE accepts the delegations, there will be no change in LSP state. If the PCC cannot redelegate the LSPs to another PCE, then upon expiration of the State Timeout Interval, the state set by the PCE is flushed, which may cause change in the LSP state. [LM] the last sentence is difficult to understand. How to understand "flush the state MAY cause change in the LSP state"? It would like talking about two different states in the PCC. [LM] about "flushed", should we add "and revert to operator-defined default parameters or behaviors"? [...] If there is a standby PCE, the Redelegation Timeout may be set to 0 through policy on the PCC, causing the LSPs to be redelegated immediately to the PCC, which can delegate them immediately to the standby PCE. Assuming the State Timeout Interval is greater than the Redelegation Timeout, and assuming the standby PCE takes similar decisions as the failed PCE, the LSP state will be kept intact. [LM] the first "assuming" is not an assumption but a requirement, according to "The State Timeout Interval MUST be greater than or equal to the Redelegation Timeout Interval" 5.8.1. Passive Stateful PCE Path Computation Request/Response +-+-+ +-+-+ |PCC| |PCE| +-+-+ +-+-+ | | 1) Path computation |----- PCReq message --->| request sent to | |2) Path computation PCE | | request received, | | path computed | | |<---- PCRep message ----|3) Computed paths | (Positive reply) | sent to the PCC | (Negative reply) | 4) LSP Status change| | event | | | | 5) LSP Status Report|----- PCRpt message --->| sent to all | . | stateful PCEs | . | | . | 6) Repeat for each |----- PCRpt message --->| LSP status change| | | | Figure 7: Passive Stateful PCE Path Computation Request/Response [LM] in the figure, please use "state" instead of "status" 7.1. OPEN Object This document defines one new optional TLVs for use in the OPEN Object. s/one new optional TLVs/one new optional TLV 7.2. SRP Object The SRP (Stateful PCE Request Parameters) object MUST be carried within PCUpd messages and MAY be carried within PCRpt and PCErr messages. The SRP object is used to correlate between update requests sent by the PCE and the error reports and state reports sent by the PCC. [LM] Should we add the following text at the end of the section? "Optional TLVs may be included within the SRP object body. The specification of such TLVs is outside the scope of this document." 7.3. LSP Object [...] TLVs that may be included in the LSP Object are described in the following sections. [LM] I think that it is possible to add extra optional TLV, not defined in this document. This should be clarified if I'm correct. From nobody Thu Mar 16 05:48:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084E31270A0; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 05:47:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stephen Farrell To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce@ietf.org, Julien Meuric , pce-chairs@ietf.org, julien.meuric@orange.com, pce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.47.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148966847902.14238.14859265696017437332.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 05:47:59 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-18 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 12:47:59 -0000 Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-18: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. 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From nobody Thu Mar 16 05:48:22 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 132FD129487; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 05:48:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stephen Farrell To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce@ietf.org, Julien Meuric , pce-chairs@ietf.org, julien.meuric@orange.com, pce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.47.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148966849007.14242.13141291039786806721.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 05:48:10 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-18: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 12:48:10 -0000 Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-18: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- In 10.1, some references seem to be needed to say how to do that authentication and encryption. IIUC, that's a work in progress, or is that right? If so, when's it likely to be done and usable? From nobody Thu Mar 16 05:52:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3A811270A0; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 05:52:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stephen Farrell To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations@ietf.org, pce-chairs@ietf.org, jonathan.hardwick@metaswitch.com, pce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.47.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148966877379.14173.10795540658437667166.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 05:52:53 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] Stephen Farrell's No Objection on draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations-09: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 12:52:54 -0000 Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations-09: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. 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From nobody Mon Mar 20 02:05:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FEA7129BB3; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 18:17:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yl2FzVxifnsi; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 18:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11533129BAD; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 18:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (unknown [112.204.187.55]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B3E2D18013D1; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 02:17:18 +0100 (CET) To: "draft-izh-ccamp-flexe-fwk@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" , pce@ietf.org, TEAS WG , "routing-discussion@ietf.org" From: Loa Andersson Cc: "ccamp-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "Andrew G. Malis" , Ignas Bagdonas , "n.leymann@telekom.de" , Stewart Bryant , "draft-izh-ccamp-flexe-fwk@ietf.org" , Deborah A Brungard Message-ID: <943b685f-1403-09e4-fba2-b0d9d1ad64eb@pi.nu> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 09:17:14 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 02:05:33 -0700 Subject: [Pce] FlexE side meeting on Monday 17, at 18.30 - 20.00 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 01:17:27 -0000 Folks, On Monday March 27 in Zurich B , there will be a FlexE side meeting from 18:30-20:00. The meeting will be chaired bt Daniele Ceccarelli and Nic Leyman. The initiative for this meeting were taken within the group that works on a FlexE Framework document (draft-izh-ccamp- flexe-fwk), and has been sponsored by Deborah Brungard and the ccamp working group co-chairs. The intent is to bring people up to speed on the FlexE technology and try to understand what work will be appropriate to do in the IETF. The agenda will be: 1. FlexE background and origins: Haomian Zheng 2. FlexE Technology Deep Dive: Iftekhar Hussain 3. FlexE in the IETF: Mach Chen 4. Open Mic Each presentation is panned to last 20 min, and the Open Mic 30 min. /Daniele, Fatai and Loa -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Mon Mar 20 02:05:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BADD129B9B; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 18:29:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TpJBANgXTZBY; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 18:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E33A9129B98; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 18:29:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml708-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DCX99556; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 01:29:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML411-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.70) by lhreml708-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.49) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.301.0; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 01:29:01 +0000 Received: from DGGEML403-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.17.33) by nkgeml411-hub.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.70) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 09:28:58 +0800 Received: from DGGEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.147]) by DGGEML403-HUB.china.huawei.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0301.000; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 09:28:55 +0800 From: Fatai Zhang To: Loa Andersson , "draft-izh-ccamp-flexe-fwk@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" , "pce@ietf.org" , TEAS WG , "routing-discussion@ietf.org" , "ccamp@ietf.org" CC: Ignas Bagdonas , "ccamp-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , Deborah A Brungard , "Andrew G. 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WG:

 

We have posted updates to draft-raghu-pce-lsp-contro= l-request-02.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-raghu-pce-lsp-= control-request-02

 

 

The following are the changes :=

(1) Use case for load sharing when a new instance of= virtual PCE is instantiated 

(2) Security, Manageability and IANA Considerations<= o:p>

(3) Editorial Changes 

 

 

We appreciate any feedback/comments.

 

 

Thanks,

Chaitanya

 

Chaitanya Yadlapalli

Domain 2.0 Architectur= e & Design

732-420-7977

cy098d@att.com

 

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Mon, 20 Mar 2017 10:43:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.47.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: db3546@att.com, "Jonathan Hardwick" , pce@ietf.org, pce-chairs@ietf.org, jonathan.hardwick@metaswitch.com, "The IESG" , draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <149003178592.25021.7749213474167266886.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 10:43:05 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] Protocol Action: 'Extensions to the Path Computation Element communication Protocol (PCEP) for Inter-Layer MPLS and GMPLS Traffic Engineering' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext-12.txt) X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 17:43:06 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Extensions to the Path Computation Element communication Protocol (PCEP) for Inter-Layer MPLS and GMPLS Traffic Engineering' (draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext-12.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Path Computation Element Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Alvaro Retana, Alia Atlas and Deborah Brungard. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext/ Technical Summary The Path Computation Element (PCE) provides path computation functions in support of traffic engineering in Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) and Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) networks. MPLS and GMPLS networks may be constructed from layered service networks. It is advantageous for overall network efficiency to provide end-to-end traffic engineering across multiple network layers through a process called inter-layer traffic engineering. This document presents PCEP extensions for inter-layer traffic engineering. Working Group Summary There has been no particular controversy and the consensus behind the document is good. Document Quality Some implementations exist. There were a few detailed reviews during working group last call. Personnel Who is the Document Shepherd for this document? Jonathan Hardwick Who is the Responsible Area Director? Deborah Brungard IESG Notes for the RFC Editor In Section 2 "Those TE links exist at the layer/region boarder normally" should be "border" In Section 8 on Security Considerations: OLD Inter-layer traffic engineering with PCE may raise new security issues when PCE-PCE communication is done between different layer networks for inter-layer path computation. Security issues may also exist when a single PCE is granted full visibility of TE information that applies to multiple layers. Path-Key-based mechanism defined in [RFC5520] MAY be applied to address the topology confidentiality between different layers. NEW Inter-layer traffic engineering with PCE may raise new security issues when PCE-PCE communication is done between different layer networks for inter-layer path computation because information about the networks at different layers will necessarily be exposed in computation results. Furthermore, a PCE in one layer might use computation requests to "probe" for information about the network in the other layer. Security issues may also exist when a single PCE is granted full visibility of TE information that applies to multiple layers. In both cases cited here, the security concerns are to do with exposure of information about a network to parties outside that network. These concerns relate to the privacy of the commercial details of a network, but it should also be understood that distributing information about networks extends the attack surface for those networks. Path-Key-based mechanism defined in [RFC5520] MAY be applied to address the topology confidentiality between different layers. END From nobody Wed Mar 22 02:16:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357F01315D0 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 02:16:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.235 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.235 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9dLzk08he7_2 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 02:16:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p-mail1.rd.orange.com (p-mail1.rd.orange.com [161.106.1.2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C4C512932A for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 02:16:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p-mail1.rd.orange.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 152087CC098 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 10:16:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from FTRDCH01.rd.francetelecom.fr (unknown [10.194.32.11]) by p-mail1.rd.orange.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034D74102B0 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 10:16:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.193.71.173] (10.193.71.173) by FTRDCH01.rd.francetelecom.fr (10.194.32.11) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.3.319.2; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 10:16:00 +0100 To: References: <3c2491d4-6178-dbed-4f9a-a076e5f87f3a@orange.com> Reply-To: "pce-chairs@ietf.org" From: Julien Meuric Organization: Orange Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 10:16:00 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3c2491d4-6178-dbed-4f9a-a076e5f87f3a@orange.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] Building the PCE Agenda for IETF 98 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 09:16:04 -0000 Dear PCE WG, The agenda for our meeting on Monday is on-line: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/98/agenda/pce/ As you can see, the amount of slot requests largely exceeds the number of threads in progress on the _list_. The difference should not be so large: the _mailing list_ is open 24/7. As a result, we had to identify priorities by trying to balance between hot topics, new items, active discussion, recent face-to-face slots, etc. If your I-D is beyond schedule, the hope for spare time to present is tiny. Please, make use of the _mailing list_ to introduce your work or share your progress (which scheduled presenters should do as well). If you have a main stream slot, please send your slides to the chairs and secretary by _Friday 24_. Thank you, Jon, JP & Julien Feb. 27, 2017 - Julien Meuric: > Hi all, > > The PCE WG session in Chicago is tentatively scheduled on Monday > 3:20pm. If you need meeting time to progress some work, please send a > request to the chairs and secretary by Monday March 13, including: - > the associated I-D(s), - the expected presenter, - the requested > duration, - the motivation to request some face-to-face time as > opposed to using the mailing list to progress your work. > > Please note as well that Yang work should be directed to the joint > MPLS/TEAS/CCAMP/PCE session. It is currently scheduled on Friday > morning and Tarek, as the MPLS secretary, is taking care of the > corresponding agenda (see Tarek's thread). > > Regards, > > Jon, JP & Julien > From nobody Wed Mar 22 07:06:36 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64EEE128CDB; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 03:25:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7UthRdlJU1Ap; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 03:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D36A2129480; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 03:25:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.20.9.46] (unknown [46.218.58.213]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 03F6C18013DA; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 11:25:06 +0100 (CET) To: "draft-izh-ccamp-flexe-fwk@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" , pce@ietf.org, TEAS WG , "routing-discussion@ietf.org" References: <943b685f-1403-09e4-fba2-b0d9d1ad64eb@pi.nu> Cc: "ccamp-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "Andrew G. Malis" , Ignas Bagdonas , "n.leymann@telekom.de" , Stewart Bryant , Deborah A Brungard , "ccamp@ietf.org" , "mpls@ietf.org" From: Loa Andersson Message-ID: <3906fe87-3871-ce18-3fa1-235dc4fadbbf@pi.nu> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 18:25:04 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <943b685f-1403-09e4-fba2-b0d9d1ad64eb@pi.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 06:42:50 -0700 Subject: [Pce] Change of date and time: Re: FlexE side meeting at a new time -- Tuesday at 18:45 in Zurich B X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 10:25:15 -0000 Folks, The FlexE side meeting (see below) has been rescheduled the new time is Tuesday March 22 at 18:45 in Zurich B. Sorry for ant inconveniences. /Loa On 2017-03-17 09:17, Loa Andersson wrote: > Folks, > > On Monday March 27 in Zurich B , there will be a FlexE side meeting > from 18:30-20:00. The meeting will be chaired bt Daniele Ceccarelli > and Nic Leyman. The initiative for this meeting were taken within the > group that works on a FlexE Framework document (draft-izh-ccamp- > flexe-fwk), and has been sponsored by Deborah Brungard and the ccamp > working group co-chairs. > > The intent is to bring people up to speed on the FlexE technology and > try to understand what work will be appropriate to do in the IETF. > > The agenda will be: > > 1. FlexE background and origins: Haomian Zheng > 2. FlexE Technology Deep Dive: Iftekhar Hussain > 3. FlexE in the IETF: Mach Chen > 4. Open Mic > > Each presentation is panned to last 20 min, and the Open Mic 30 min. > > > /Daniele, Fatai and Loa -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Wed Mar 22 08:30:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B53841294A0 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 08:30:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.407 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.407 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTTPS_HTTP_MISMATCH=1.989, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.796, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gV5iwmFIb6F7 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 08:30:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com (mx0b-00191d01.pphosted.com [67.231.157.136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1099B129494 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2017 08:30:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0049459.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0049459.ppops.net-00191d01. 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Hi Co-Authors,

 

This draft looks interesting and I was wondering if = you guys will be talking about the use cases pertaining to this ID at the u= pcoming IETF.

 

Vinod

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Subject: [Pce] Ability for a Stateful PCE to request and obtain cont= rol of a LSP

 

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WG:

 

We have posted updates to draft-raghu-pce-lsp-contro= l-request-02.

https://tools.ietf.org/h= tml/draft-raghu-pce-lsp-control-request-02

 

 

The following are the changes :=

(1) Use case for load sharing when a new instance of= virtual PCE is instantiated 

(2) Security, Manageability and IANA Considerations<= o:p>

(3) Editorial Changes 

 

 

We appreciate any feedback/comments.

 

 

Thanks,

Chaitanya

 

Chaitanya Yadlapalli

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732-420-7977

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WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3906fe87-3871-ce18-3fa1-235dc4fadbbf@pi.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 01:32:31 -0700 Subject: Re: [Pce] Change of date and time: Re: FlexE side meeting at a new time -- Tuesday at 18:45 in Zurich B X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 08:07:29 -0000 All, Sorry to clog your in inboxes, but there is an error in the changes message. The meeting will take place: Tuesday March 28 at 18:45 in Zurich B ^^ /Loa On 2017-03-22 18:25, Loa Andersson wrote: > Folks, > > The FlexE side meeting (see below) has been rescheduled the new time > is Tuesday March 22 at 18:45 in Zurich B. > > Sorry for ant inconveniences. > > /Loa > > On 2017-03-17 09:17, Loa Andersson wrote: >> Folks, >> >> On Monday March 27 in Zurich B , there will be a FlexE side meeting >> from 18:30-20:00. The meeting will be chaired bt Daniele Ceccarelli >> and Nic Leyman. The initiative for this meeting were taken within the >> group that works on a FlexE Framework document (draft-izh-ccamp- >> flexe-fwk), and has been sponsored by Deborah Brungard and the ccamp >> working group co-chairs. >> >> The intent is to bring people up to speed on the FlexE technology and >> try to understand what work will be appropriate to do in the IETF. >> >> The agenda will be: >> >> 1. FlexE background and origins: Haomian Zheng >> 2. FlexE Technology Deep Dive: Iftekhar Hussain >> 3. FlexE in the IETF: Mach Chen >> 4. 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Hi Vinod,

 

Yes, this draft is on the PCE Agenda.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/98/agenda/pce/

 

Safe Travels!

Dhruv

 

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Subject: Re: [Pce] Ability for a Stateful PCE to request and obtain = control of a LSP

 

Hi Co-Authors,

 

This draft looks interesting an= d I was wondering if you guys will be talking about the use cases pertainin= g to this ID at the upcoming IETF.

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Vinod

AT&T Domain 2.0 Architecture & Design

 

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WG:

 

We have posted updates to draft= -raghu-pce-lsp-control-request-02.

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The following are the changes :=

(1) Use case for load sharing w= hen a new instance of virtual PCE is instantiated 

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(3) Editorial Changes 

 

 

We appreciate any feedback/comm= ents.

 

 

Thanks,

Chaitanya

 

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This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element of the IETF. Title : Optimizations of Label Switched Path State Synchronization Procedures for a Stateful PCE Authors : Edward Crabbe Ina Minei Jan Medved Robert Varga Xian Zhang Dhruv Dhody Filename : draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations-10.txt Pages : 25 Date : 2017-03-27 Abstract: A stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) has access to not only the information disseminated by the network's Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP), but also the set of active paths and their reserved resources for its computation. The additional Label Switched Path (LSP) state information allows the PCE to compute constrained paths while considering individual LSPs and their interactions. This requires a state synchronization mechanism between the PCE and the network, PCE and path computation clients (PCCs), and between cooperating PCEs. The basic mechanism for state synchronization is part of the stateful PCE specification. This document presents motivations for optimizations to the base state synchronization procedure and specifies the required Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) extensions. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations-10 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations-10 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations-10 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Section 3.2 -- "Thus the PCEP session is secured via TLS from the start before exchange of any other PCEP message including the Open message." This sentence comes after the reference to discovery procedures while it refers to when the startTLS message is to be used. This could be rephrased. -- "Securing via TLS of an existing PCEP session is not permitted, the session must be closed and re-established with TLS as per the procedure described in this document" Should the must be replaced by MUST? -- "If the PCEP speaker supports PCEPS but cannot establish a TLS connection for some reason" I believe that in that case both speakers must support PCEPS in order for them to send the startTLS and start TLS negotiation. Its unclear when those errors can be sent, shouldn't they be sent after the TLS negotiations have taken place? This comment is repeated in the next sections/comments. Section 3.3. -- "On receiving a StartTLS message from the PCEP peer (i.e. when the PCEP speaker has sent and received StartTLS message) it is ready to start TLS negotiation and establishment and move to steps described in Section 3.4." >From section 3.2 a peer MAY also send Error-Type set to [TBA2 by IANA] (PCEP StartTLS failure) and Error-value 3 (not without TLS) or 4 (ok without TLS). At which point of the PCEP session are the PCErr sent? is it in step 3 of section 3.4? -- "Once the TCP connection has been successfully established and the StartTLS message sent, the sender MUST start a timer called StartTLSWait timer, after the expiration of which, if no StartTLS message has been received, it sends a PCErr message and releases the TCP connection with Error-Type set to [TBA2 by IANA] and Error-value set to 5 (no StartTLS message received before the expiration of the StartTLSWait timer)." the following text would be more clear in my opinion "Once the TCP connection has been successfully established and the StartTLS message sent, the sender MUST start a timer called StartTLSWait timer, after the expiration of which, if no StartTLS message has been received, it MUST send a PCErr message and releases the TCP connection with Error-Type set to [TBA2 by IANA] and Error-value set to 5 (no StartTLS message received before the expiration of the StartTLSWait timer)." Section 3.5 -- "PCEPS implementations SHOULD provide mechanisms for associating peer identities with different levels of access and/or authoritativeness, and they MUST provide a mechanism for establish a default level for properly identified peers. " typo "for establish" -> "for establishing" "PCEPS implementations SHOULD provide mechanisms for associating peer identities with different levels of access and/or authoritativeness, and they MUST provide a mechanism for establishing a default level for properly identified peers. " -- " Implementations that want to support a wide variety of trust models should expose as many details of the presented certificate to the administrator as possible so that the trust model can be implemented by the administrator. " should -> SHOULD or it could be rephrased if its not the intent. -- "As a suggestion, at least the following parameters of the X.509 certificate should be exposed:" it can be rephrased as "At least the following parameters of the X.509 certificate SHOULD be exposed:" or "its RECOMMENDED that at least the following parameters of the X.509 certificate are exposed:" Section 3.6 -- Section 3.2 defines error-values for TLS negotiation failures, should they be used in that section? i.e the peer SHOULD send a PCErr and MUST terminate the session? Section 4. -- I am not sure if the second and third paragraph are relevant for PCEPS session establishement. Could you indicate what is the relation between PCEPS and dns resolution? Section 6.1 -- Following rfc5226, please clarify the request for new allocation and indicate which registry need to be updated, for instance: IANA is requested to allocate new message types within the "PCEP Messages" sub-registry of the PCEP Numbers registry, as follows: Value Meaning Reference TBA1 The Start TLS Message (StartTLS) This document Section 6.2 -- same as section 6.1, a possible text can be: IANA is requested to allocate new Error Types and Error Values within the " PCEP-ERROR Object Error Types and Values" sub-registry of the PCEP Numbers registry, as follows: Section 8.2 -- should the YANG modules also be updated? Thanks, Cyril --001a1135dafe85ce0a054bb96a39 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear authors, PCE WG

I am th= e shepherd for this document, Please find below my shepherd's review of= the aforementioned I-D.


* General<= /div>

The document does not need much work to to progres= s, they are mainly clarifications.

* Detailed comm= ents.

Section 3.2
--
"Thu= s the PCEP session is secured via TLS from the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0start= before exchange of any other PCEP message including the Open
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0message."

This sentence comes after= the reference to discovery procedures while it refers to when the startTLS= message is to be used.
This could be rephrased.
--
"Securing via TLS of an existing PCEP session is not
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0permitted, the session must be closed and re-established with = TLS as
=C2=A0 =C2=A0per the procedure described in this document&= quot;

=C2=A0Should the must be replaced by MUST?


--
"If the PCEP speak= er supports PCEPS but cannot establish a TLS
=C2=A0 =C2=A0connect= ion for some reason"

I believe that in that c= ase both speakers must support PCEPS in order for them to send the startTLS= and start TLS negotiation. Its unclear when those errors can be sent, shou= ldn't they be sent after the TLS negotiations have taken place?
This comment is repeated in the next sections/comments.

Section 3.3.

--
"On receiv= ing a StartTLS message from the PCEP
=C2=A0 =C2=A0peer (i.e. =C2= =A0when the PCEP speaker has sent and received StartTLS
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0message) it is ready to start TLS negotiation and establishment and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0move to steps described in Section 3.4."

From section 3.2 =C2=A0a peer MAY also send Error-Type se= t to [TBA2 by IANA] (PCEP StartTLS failure) and Error-value 3 (not without = TLS) or 4 (ok without TLS).
At which point of the PCEP session ar= e the PCErr sent? is it in step 3 of =C2=A0section 3.4?


--
"Once the TCP connection has been su= ccessfully established and the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0StartTLS message sent= , the sender MUST start a timer called
=C2=A0 =C2=A0StartTLSWait = timer, after the expiration of which, if no StartTLS
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0message has been received, it sends a PCErr message and releases the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0TCP connection with Error-Type set to [TBA2 by IANA] an= d Error-value
=C2=A0 =C2=A0set to 5 (no StartTLS message received= before the expiration of the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0StartTLSWait timer).&q= uot;

the following text would be more clear in my = opinion

"Once the TCP connection has been suc= cessfully established and the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0StartTLS message sent,= the sender MUST start a timer called
=C2=A0 =C2=A0StartTLSWait t= imer, after the expiration of which, if no StartTLS
=C2=A0 =C2=A0= message has been received, it MUST send a PCErr message and releases the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0TCP connection with Error-Type set to [TBA2 by IANA] a= nd Error-value
=C2=A0 =C2=A0set to 5 (no StartTLS message receive= d before the expiration of the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0StartTLSWait timer).&= quot;

Section 3.5



--
"PCEPS implementations SHOULD prov= ide mechanisms for
=C2=A0 =C2=A0associating peer identities with = different levels of access and/or
=C2=A0 =C2=A0authoritativeness,= and they MUST provide a mechanism for establish a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0d= efault level for properly identified peers. "

typo "for establish" -> "for establishing"

"PCEPS implementations SHOULD provide mechanisms for<= /div>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0associating peer identities with different levels of= access and/or
=C2=A0 =C2=A0authoritativeness, and they MUST prov= ide a mechanism for establishing a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0default level for= properly identified peers. "

--
" Implementations
=C2=A0 =C2=A0that want to sup= port a wide variety of trust models should expose as
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0many details of the presented certificate to the administrator as
<= div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0possible so that the trust model can be implemented by the=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0administrator. "

shou= ld -> SHOULD or it could be rephrased if its not the intent.
<= br>
--
"As a suggestion, at least the following pa= rameters of
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the X.509 certificate should be exposed:= "

it can be rephrased as=C2=A0
&quo= t;At least the following parameters of
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the X.509 cer= tificate SHOULD be exposed:"

or
"its RECOMMENDED that at least the following parameters of=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the X.509 certificate are exposed:"
=

Section 3.6
--

=
Section 3.2 defines error-values for TLS negotiation failures, should = they be used in that section? i.e the peer SHOULD send a PCErr and MUST ter= minate the session?


Section 4.

--
I am not sure if the second and third par= agraph are relevant for PCEPS session establishement. Could you indicate wh= at is the relation between PCEPS and dns resolution?


Section 6.1

--

Following rfc5226, please =C2=A0clarify the request for new allocat= ion and indicate which registry need to be updated, for instance:

=C2=A0IANA is requested to allocate new message types withi= n the "PCEP =C2=A0Messages" sub-registry of the PCEP Numbers regi= stry, as follows:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Value =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Meaning =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0Reference
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0TBA1 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The Start TLS Message (= StartTLS) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 This document

Section 6.2

--
same as section 6.1, a = possible text can be:

IANA is requested to allocat= e new Error Types and Error Values within
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the "= PCEP-ERROR Object Error Types and Values" sub-registry of the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0PCEP Numbers registry, as follows:



Section 8.2

--
should the YANG modules also be updated?

Thanks,=C2=A0
Cyril
--001a1135dafe85ce0a054bb96a39-- From nobody Mon Mar 27 12:47:48 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietf.org Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6234E129492; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 12:47:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.48.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: db3546@att.com, draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations@ietf.org, pce@ietf.org, pce-chairs@ietf.org, jonathan.hardwick@metaswitch.com, "The IESG" , rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <149064406139.30513.3990369064033287694.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 12:47:41 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] Protocol Action: 'Optimizations of Label Switched Path State Synchronization Procedures for a Stateful PCE' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations-10.txt) X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 19:47:41 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Optimizations of Label Switched Path State Synchronization Procedures for a Stateful PCE' (draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations-10.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Path Computation Element Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Alvaro Retana, Alia Atlas and Deborah Brungard. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-sync-optimizations/ Technical Summary A stateful Path Computation Element (PCE) is a PCE whose path computations take into account the resources and interactions of the currently active paths in the network. A stateful PCE uses a reliable state synchronization mechanism to learn the set of active paths from its Path Computation Clients (PCCs) and peer stateful PCEs. The basic state synchronization procedure is part of the stateful PCE specification. This draft describes various optional optimizations to the state synchronization procedure, and specifies the required Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) extensions. Working Group Summary There was some strong opposition from members of the WG to publishing these optimizations in the base stateful PCE specification, because they wanted to keep the base specification as streamlined as possible. The WG therefore decided instead to publish these optimizations separately from the base stateful PCE protocol. Apart from this, there were no particular points of contention in the WG process. The consensus behind publication of this document as a Standards Track RFC appears solid. Document Quality There are at least two implementations of the optimizations described in this document. The document has had several reviews by members of the working group. Personnel Jonathan Hardwick is the Document Shepherd. Deborah Brungard is the Responsible Area Director. 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nkgeml411-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.70]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:42:24 +0800 From: Qin Wu To: "pce@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Update of draft-wu-pce-traffic-steering-sfc-11 Thread-Index: AdKnUgUBBA4FGEDSRs+hJLcZREPjag== Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 23:42:23 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.47.145.172] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_B8F9A780D330094D99AF023C5877DABA9A80690Enkgeml513mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020204.58D9A366.00F0, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.2.8, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 92796c54ecd0be8d60c661f5425d4349 Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] Update of draft-wu-pce-traffic-steering-sfc-11 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Path 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Hi, All:

Didn't get time to introduce PCEP extension for SFC support:

Here is the update of draft-wu-pce-traffic-steering-sfc-11,

https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98/slides/s= lides-98-pce-42-pcep-extensions-for-sfc-00.pdf

This draft provides PCEP extension to address Path computation and class= ification requirements defined in RFC7665 and

I-D.ietf-sfc-control-plane. It is also aligned with SFC control pla= ne and teas WG pce central control drafts.

 

This draft has been around several IETF meetings and became stable when = several dependent documents have been solid as basis.

Before this meeting, we recieved a few comments from SFC chairs and= it has been addressed in v-(11).

We are happy to recieve additional comments if you have. Thanks!

 

-Qin

 

 

 

 

--_000_B8F9A780D330094D99AF023C5877DABA9A80690Enkgeml513mbschi_-- From nobody Mon Mar 27 17:50:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C7A312963F; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 17:50:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.22 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.22 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2kwkqAh6AjTk; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 17:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 620B5128C81; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 17:50:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml701-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DDP97266; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 00:50:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML414-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.75) by lhreml701-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.42) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.301.0; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 01:50:42 +0100 Received: from NKGEML513-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.8]) by nkgeml414-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.75]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 08:50:38 +0800 From: "Zhuangyan (Yan)" To: "pce@ietf.org" CC: "draft-zhuang-pce-stateful-pce-lsp-scheduling@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: PCEP extention for LSP scheduling Thread-Index: AdKnXVBAphsUqNA7QQqtTrWQrnEMxw== Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 00:50:38 +0000 Message-ID: <9B4BC45FDEDDD84F813E9E4A5BAF8785A95279A5@nkgeml513-mbs.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.47.145.238] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9B4BC45FDEDDD84F813E9E4A5BAF8785A95279A5nkgeml513mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A090202.58D9B363.006E, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.2.8, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: c0b0255de2e2ed9ab9baae2b6f7a6ef4 Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] PCEP extention for LSP scheduling X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 00:50:48 -0000 --_000_9B4BC45FDEDDD84F813E9E4A5BAF8785A95279A5nkgeml513mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, As presented this afternoon, the merged version of PCEP extension for LSP s= chedule is available now at: URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-zhuang-pce-state= ful-pce-lsp-scheduling-05.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhuang-pce-stateful-= pce-lsp-scheduling/ This is a work since IETF 93 with two drafts stating the solution and valua= ble comments on problem and motivation from f2f meeting/mailing list. For the problem and architecture discussion, it is discussed and solved in = teas draft at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-teas-schedul= ed-resources. And now the two draft also worked together to provide a solution in this me= rged version. Please take a look and feel free to let us know your comments. Thank you. Yan (on behalf of co-authors and contributors) --_000_9B4BC45FDEDDD84F813E9E4A5BAF8785A95279A5nkgeml513mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

 

As presented this afternoon, th= e merged version of PCEP extension for LSP schedule is available now at:

URL:    =         https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-zhuang-pce-stateful-pce-lsp-sche= duling-05.txt

Status:   &nb= sp;     https://datatracker.ietf.org/do= c/draft-zhuang-pce-stateful-pce-lsp-scheduling/

 

This is a work since IETF 93 wi= th two drafts stating the solution and valuable comments on problem and mot= ivation from f2f meeting/mailing list.

 

For the problem and architecture discussion, it is discussed and= solved in teas draft at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-teas-scheduled-resources.

And now the two draft also worked together to provide a solution= in this merged version.

 

Please take a look and feel free to let us know your comments.

 

Thank you.

 

Yan (on behalf of co-authors and contributors)=

 

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Please see inline... On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Cyril Margaria wrote: > Dear authors, PCE WG > > I am the shepherd for this document, Please find below my shepherd's > review of the aforementioned I-D. > > > * General > > The document does not need much work to to progress, they are mainly > clarifications. > > * Detailed comments. > > Section 3.2 > -- > "Thus the PCEP session is secured via TLS from the > start before exchange of any other PCEP message including the Open > message." > > This sentence comes after the reference to discovery procedures while it > refers to when the startTLS message is to be used. > This could be rephrased. > =E2=80=8B[Dhruv]: How about - This message MUST be the first PCEP message issued by the PCEP speaker, willing to use TLS. Note that, this includes th= e open message > -- > "Securing via TLS of an existing PCEP session is not > permitted, the session must be closed and re-established with TLS as > per the procedure described in this document" > > Should the must be replaced by MUST? > > > =E2=80=8B[Dhruv] Ack=E2=80=8B > -- > "If the PCEP speaker supports PCEPS but cannot establish a TLS > connection for some reason" > > I believe that in that case both speakers must support PCEPS in order for > them to send the startTLS and start TLS negotiation. Its unclear when tho= se > errors can be sent, shouldn't they be sent after the TLS negotiations hav= e > taken place? > This comment is repeated in the next sections/comments. > =E2=80=8B[Dhruv]: Yes, this is after startTLS messages have been exchanged,= and once the PCEP speaker finds out that the TLS connection cannot be established. We could reword this to - After the exchange of startTLS messages, if the PCEP speaker cannot establish a TLS connection for some reason... > > Section 3.3. > > -- > "On receiving a StartTLS message from the PCEP > peer (i.e. when the PCEP speaker has sent and received StartTLS > message) it is ready to start TLS negotiation and establishment and > move to steps described in Section 3.4." > > From section 3.2 a peer MAY also send Error-Type set to [TBA2 by IANA] > (PCEP StartTLS failure) and Error-value 3 (not without TLS) or 4 (ok > without TLS). > At which point of the PCEP session are the PCErr sent? is it in step 3 of > section 3.4? > > > =E2=80=8B[Dhruv]: Yes. It is the error handling part of step 3 IMHO. =E2=80= =8B > -- > "Once the TCP connection has been successfully established and the > StartTLS message sent, the sender MUST start a timer called > StartTLSWait timer, after the expiration of which, if no StartTLS > message has been received, it sends a PCErr message and releases the > TCP connection with Error-Type set to [TBA2 by IANA] and Error-value > set to 5 (no StartTLS message received before the expiration of the > StartTLSWait timer)." > > the following text would be more clear in my opinion > > =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B > "Once the TCP connection has been successfully established and the > StartTLS message sent, the sender MUST start a timer called > StartTLSWait timer, after the expiration of which, if no StartTLS > message has been received, it MUST send a PCErr message and releases t= he > TCP connection with Error-Type set to [TBA2 by IANA] and Error-value > set to 5 (no StartTLS message received before the expiration of the > StartTLSWait timer)." > =E2=80=8B[Dhruv]: Ack. =E2=80=8B > > Section 3.5 > > > > -- > "PCEPS implementations SHOULD provide mechanisms for > associating peer identities with different levels of access and/or > authoritativeness, and they MUST provide a mechanism for establish a > default level for properly identified peers. " > > typo " > =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B > for establish" -> "for > =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B > establishing" > > "PCEPS implementations SHOULD provide mechanisms for > associating peer identities with different levels of access and/or > authoritativeness, and they MUST provide a mechanism for establishing = a > default level for properly identified peers. " > > =E2=80=8B[Dhruv]: Ack. =E2=80=8B > -- > > " Implementations > that want to support a wide variety of trust models should expose as > many details of the presented certificate to the administrator as > possible so that the trust model can be implemented by the > administrator. " > > should -> SHOULD or it could be rephrased if its not the intent. > > =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B[Dhruv]: Ack. =E2=80=8B =E2=80=8B > -- > "As a suggestion, at least the following parameters of > the X.509 certificate should be exposed:" > > it can be rephrased as > " > =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B > At least the following parameters of > the X.509 certificate SHOULD be exposed:" > > or > > "its > =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B > RECOMMENDED that at least the following parameters of > the X.509 certificate are exposed:" > > > =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B[Dhruv]: Ack. =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B > Section 3.6 > -- > > Section 3.2 > =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B > defines error-values for TLS negotiation failures, should they be used in > that section? i.e the peer SHOULD send a PCErr and MUST terminate the > session? > > > =E2=80=8B[Dhruv]: Yes, updated the text to - In case the initial TLS negotiation or the peer identity check fails, according to the procedures listed in this document, the peer MUST send the PCErr message as per the Section 3.2 and then MUST terminate the session. > Section 4. > > -- > I am not sure if the second and third paragraph are relevant for PCEPS > session establishement. Could you indicate what is the relation between > PCEPS and dns resolution? > > =E2=80=8B[Dhruv=E2=80=8B]: If DNS is used to discover the PCE IP address, i= t can also specify if the PCE supports TLS via the NAPTR records, you can find an example of this in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wu-pce-dns-pce-discovery-09#section-6.2.1 Thus this is similar to learning the PCEPS capability via IGP. > > Section 6.1 > > -- > > Following rfc5226, please clarify the request for new allocation and > indicate which registry need to be updated, for instance: > > IANA is requested to allocate new message types within the "PCEP > Messages" sub-registry of the PCEP Numbers registry, as follows: > > Value Meaning > Reference > TBA1 The Start TLS Message (StartTLS) Thi= s > document > > Section 6.2 > > -- > same as section 6.1, a possible text can be: > > IANA is requested to allocate new Error Types and Error Values within > the " PCEP-ERROR Object Error Types and Values" sub-registry of the > PCEP Numbers registry, as follows: > > > > =E2=80=8B[Dhruv]: Ack=E2=80=8B > Section 8.2 > > -- > should the YANG modules also be updated? > > =E2=80=8B[Dhruv]: How about - =E2=80=8B =E2=80=8B An implementation SHOULD allow the operator to configure the PC= EPS capability as well as various TLS related parameters, as well as view the current TLS status for a PCEP session. To serve this purpose, the PCEP YANG module [I-D.ietf-pce-pcep-yang] can be extended to include TLS related configuration and state.=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8BThanks for your comments! =E2=80=8BI have attached the diff file. Working XML: https://github.com/dhruvdhody-huawei/ietf/blob/master/draft-ietf-pce-pceps-= 12.xml =E2=80=8BWe can update a new version after a confirmation from you! =E2=80= =8B =E2=80=8BRegards, Dhruv=E2=80=8B > > Thanks, > Cyril > --94eb2c0578c07d4460054bc2906c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Cyril,=C2=A0

Thanks= for being our shepherd and providing review comments. Please see inline...=

On Mon, Mar= 27, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Cyril Margaria <cyril.margaria@gmail.com= > wrote:
Dear authors, PCE WG

I am the s= hepherd for this document, Please find below my shepherd's review of th= e aforementioned I-D.


* General

The document does not need much work to to progress, = they are mainly clarifications.

* Detailed comment= s.

Section 3.2
--
"Thus t= he PCEP session is secured via TLS from the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0start be= fore exchange of any other PCEP message including the Open
=C2=A0= =C2=A0message."

This sentence comes after th= e reference to discovery procedures while it refers to when the startTLS me= ssage is to be used.
This could be rephrased.

=E2=80= =8B[Dhruv]: How about -=C2=A0

This message= MUST be the first PCEP message
issued by= the PCEP speaker, willing to use TLS. Note that, this includes the
open message


=C2=A0
--
"Securing via TLS of an existing PCEP sess= ion is not
=C2=A0 =C2=A0permitted, the session must be closed and= re-established with TLS as
=C2=A0 =C2=A0per the procedure descri= bed in this document"

=C2=A0Should the must b= e replaced by MUST?


<= div>
=E2=80=8B[Dhruv] Ack=E2= =80=8B

=C2=A0
--
"If the PC= EP speaker supports PCEPS but cannot establish a TLS
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0connection for some reason"

I believe that= in that case both speakers must support PCEPS in order for them to send th= e startTLS and start TLS negotiation. Its unclear when those errors can be = sent, shouldn't they be sent after the TLS negotiations have taken plac= e?
This comment is repeated in the next sections/comments.
<= /div>

=E2= =80=8B[Dhruv]: Yes, this is after startTLS messages have been exchanged, an= d once the PCEP speaker finds out that the = TLS connection cannot be established.=C2=A0

We could reword this to = -=C2=A0

After the exchange of startTLS = messages, if the PCEP speaker cannot establish a TLS connection
for some reason...=C2=A0
=C2=A0

Section 3.3.

--
"On receiving a StartTLS message from the PCEP
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0peer (i.e. =C2=A0when the PCEP speaker has sent and received StartTLS
=C2=A0 =C2=A0message) it is ready to start TLS negotiation and esta= blishment and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0move to steps described in Section 3.4= ."

From section 3.2 =C2=A0a peer MAY also sen= d Error-Type set to [TBA2 by IANA] (PCEP StartTLS failure) and Error-value = 3 (not without TLS) or 4 (ok without TLS).
At which point of the = PCEP session are the PCErr sent? is it in step 3 of =C2=A0section 3.4?



=E2=80=8B[Dhruv]: Yes. It is the error handling = part of step 3 IMHO. =E2=80=8B

=C2=A0
--
"Once the TCP connection has been successfully established an= d the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0StartTLS message sent, the sender MUST start a= timer called
=C2=A0 =C2=A0StartTLSWait timer, after the expirati= on of which, if no StartTLS
=C2=A0 =C2=A0message has been receive= d, it sends a PCErr message and releases the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0TCP con= nection with Error-Type set to [TBA2 by IANA] and Error-value
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0set to 5 (no StartTLS message received before the expiration of t= he
=C2=A0 =C2=A0StartTLSWait timer)."

the following text would be more clear in my opinion

=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B"Once the TCP connection has been successfully established and the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0StartTLS message sent, the sender MUST start a timer = called
=C2=A0 =C2=A0StartTLSWait timer, after the expiration of w= hich, if no StartTLS
=C2=A0 =C2=A0message has been received, it M= UST send a PCErr message and releases the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0TCP connec= tion with Error-Type set to [TBA2 by IANA] and Error-value
=C2=A0= =C2=A0set to 5 (no StartTLS message received before the expiration of the<= /div>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0StartTLSWait timer)."
<= div>
=E2=80=8B[Dhruv]: Ack. = =E2=80=8B

=C2=A0

Section 3.5



--
"PCEPS impl= ementations SHOULD provide mechanisms for
=C2=A0 =C2=A0associatin= g peer identities with different levels of access and/or
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0authoritativeness, and they MUST provide a mechanism for establish a<= /div>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0default level for properly identified peers. "<= /div>

typo "
=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B
for establish" -> "for
=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B
establishin= g"

"PCEPS implementations SHOULD provide= mechanisms for
=C2=A0 =C2=A0associating peer identities with dif= ferent levels of access and/or
=C2=A0 =C2=A0authoritativeness, an= d they MUST provide a mechanism for establishing a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0d= efault level for properly identified peers. "


=E2=80= =8B[Dhruv]: Ack. =E2=80=8B

=C2=A0
--
=

" Implementations
=C2=A0 =C2=A0that want= to support a wide variety of trust models should expose as
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0many details of the presented certificate to the administrator as=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0possible so that the trust model can be implemented= by the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0administrator. "

should -> SHOULD or it could be rephrased if its not the intent.


=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B[Dhruv]: Ack.= =E2=80=8B
=E2=80=8B

<= /div>
=C2=A0
--
"As a suggestion, at least = the following parameters of
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the X.509 certificate sh= ould be exposed:"

it can be rephrased as=C2= =A0
"
=E2=80= =8B=E2=80=8B
At least the following parameters of
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0the X.509 certificate SHOULD be exposed:"

= or

"its
=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B
RECOMMENDED that at least the following p= arameters of
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the X.509 certificate are exposed:"= ;



=E2=80=8B= =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B[Dhruv]: Ack. =E2= =80=8B=E2=80=8B

=C2=A0
Section 3.6
--

Section 3.2
=E2=80=8B=E2= =80=8B
defines error-values for TLS negotiation failures, should they = be used in that section? i.e the peer SHOULD send a PCErr and MUST terminat= e the session?


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=E2=80=8B[Dhruv]: Yes, update= d the text to -=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0In case= the initial TLS negotiation or the peer identity check fails,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0according to the procedures listed in th= is document, the peer MUST
=C2=A0 =C2=A0s= end the PCErr message as per the Section 3.2 and then MUST terminate
<= div class=3D"gmail_default">=C2=A0 =C2=A0the session.

=
=C2=A0
Section 4.

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I= am not sure if the second and third paragraph are relevant for PCEPS sessi= on establishement. Could you indicate what is the relation between PCEPS an= d dns resolution?


=E2=80=8B[Dhruv=E2=80=8B]: If DNS is used to discover the PCE= IP address, it can also specify if the PCE supports TLS via the NAPTR reco= rds, you can find an example of this in=C2=A0https://tools.iet= f.org/html/draft-wu-pce-dns-pce-discovery-09#section-6.2.1
=

Thus this is similar to learning t= he PCEPS capability via IGP.=C2=A0

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Section 6.1

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Following rfc5226, please =C2=A0clarify the request for new all= ocation and indicate which registry need to be updated, for instance:
=

=C2=A0IANA is requested to allocate new message types w= ithin the "PCEP =C2=A0Messages" sub-registry of the PCEP Numbers = registry, as follows:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Value =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Meaning =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0Reference
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0TBA1 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The Start TLS Message (= StartTLS) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 This document

Section 6.2

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same as section 6.1, a = possible text can be:

IANA is requested to allocat= e new Error Types and Error Values within
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the "= PCEP-ERROR Object Error Types and Values" sub-registry of the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0PCEP Numbers registry, as follows:




=E2=80=8B[Dhruv]: Ack=E2=80=8B

= =C2=A0
Section 8.2

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shoul= d the YANG modules also be updated?

=

=E2=80=8B[Dhruv]: How a= bout - =E2=80=8B

=E2=80= =8B=C2=A0 =C2=A0An implementation SHOULD al= low the operator to configure the PCEPS
=C2=A0 =C2=A0capability as well as various TLS related parameters,= as well as view
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the curr= ent TLS status for a PCEP session.=C2=A0 To serve this purpose,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the PCEP YANG module [I-D.ietf-pce-p= cep-yang] can be extended to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0include TLS related configuration and s= tate.=E2=80=8B



=E2=80=8BThanks for your comments! =E2=80=8BI = have attached the diff file.=C2=A0
Working XML:=C2=A0=E2=80=8BW= e can update a new version after a confirmation from you! =E2=80=8B


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FlexE background and origins: Haomian Zheng >> 2. FlexE Technology Deep Dive: Iftekhar Hussain >> 3. FlexE in the IETF: Mach Chen >> 4. Open Mic From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli Sent: marted=EC 28 marzo 2017 12:00 To: pce@ietf.org; TEAS WG ; routing-discussion@ietf.org; mpl= s@ietf.org; ccamp@ietf.org Cc: Ignas Bagdonas ; draft-izh-ccamp-flexe-fwk@ietf.org= ; N.Leymann@telekom.de Subject: [CCAMP] FlexE side meeting Hi everyone, a reminder for the FlexE side meeting and the link to Meetecho: When: Tuesday 18:45-20:15 Room: Zurich B Remote participation - Meetecho: http://www.meetecho.com/ietf98/CCAMP-FlexE BR Daniele, Nic, Loa --_000_VI1PR07MB1005A7B83B7605A5E10053BCF0320VI1PR07MB1005eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

…and the agenda

 

>> The agenda will be:=

>> 

>> 1. FlexE background= and origins: Haomian Zheng

>> 2. FlexE Technology= Deep Dive:   Iftekhar Hussain

>> 3. FlexE in the IET= F:            Mach C= hen

>> 4. Open Mic

 

 

From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli
Sent: marted=EC 28 marzo 2017 12:00
To: pce@ietf.org; TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>; routing-discussion@= ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org; ccamp@ietf.org
Cc: Ignas Bagdonas <ibagdona@gmail.com>; draft-izh-ccamp-flexe= -fwk@ietf.org; N.Leymann@telekom.de
Subject: [CCAMP] FlexE side meeting

 

Hi everyone,=

 

a = reminder for the FlexE side meeting and the link to Meetecho:

 

Wh= en: Tuesday 18:45-20:15

Ro= om: Zurich B

Re= mote participation - Meetecho: http://www.meetecho.= com/ietf98/CCAMP-FlexE

 

BR=
Daniele, Nic, Loa

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone, a reminder for the FlexE side meeting and the link to Meetecho: When: Tuesday 18:45-20:15 Room: Zurich B Remote participation - Meetecho: http://www.meetecho.com/ietf98/CCAMP-FlexE BR Daniele, Nic, Loa --_000_VI1PR07MB10054D43730534EB63F29DE6F0320VI1PR07MB1005eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi everyone,

 

a reminder for the FlexE side m= eeting and the link to Meetecho:

 

When: Tuesday 18:45-20:15<= /o:p>

Room: Zurich B

Remote participation - Meetecho= : http://www.meetecho.com/ietf98/CCAMP-FlexE

 

BR
Daniele, Nic, Loa

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Possibly a function of people preparing for IETF-98. Maybe just means that everyone thinks it is obvious to update the RFC and move on. Anyway, since I'm sitting in a WG meeting where the discussion is a little too esoteric even for me, here is a quick (but late) review. Cheers, Adrian === Unfortunate effect of a bis is that the author count has gone OTT. --- A bit odd to wipe the Acknowledgements of the people who contributed to RFC 6006. --- Why has Zafar disappeared from the Authors' Addresses (but remains on the front page)? --- Good job picking up the five errata that are on file. I was a little surprised to see some additional changes that have not been flagged to the WG nor noted anywhere in the document (e.g., in a changes section such as Appendix A). --- I see you added some text to 3.4. I see that this text is to explain the RBNF that follows, so that is probably OK. --- I must have missed the discussion of Errata Report 4867. Sorry about that. There are three issues, I think 1. Trying to pack all RBNF into the spec as though the RBNF was the normative definition of the message format. It isn't and was never intended to be. Doing this gets infinitely complicated as more objects are added. Doesn't mean what you have done is wrong, wrt svec-list, just not necessary. 2. Removal of from is wrong, I think. As I see it: You can apply to the whole by placing it after the . If you want one in an to have a different you can include a separate after the . I think you have *changed* the specification so that the way this function is achieved is to pull the that has a different out into a different . That's functional and can be changed if that is what people want and have discussed, but doing it with an Errata is a mistake because it was not an error in the document. 3. You also see to think that cannot be applied to the unless an is present. I think that is wrong, too. If it makes sense to have without an an why would you not allow each instance of to have its own ? This also seems to be a change of substance rather than an error in the document. Again, the WG is free to make this change, but surely not without discussion. --- I see you have added some text to 3.5. This also seems to be just explanation and is probably OK. --- The fix in 3.12 looks good, but was not flagged to the WG. From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hardwick Sent: 10 March 2017 13:55 To: pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] Working group last call for draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-00 Dear PCE working group, This email starts a working group last call for draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-00. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis/ Please read the document and reply to the PCE mailing list whether you believe this document is ready to be published, or not (including any comments on why not). The last call will end on Monday 20 March. Best regards Jon, JP and Julien ------=_NextPart_000_02BF_01D2A819.9282A550 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = Jon,

 

I see that WG last = call completed in silence. Possibly a function = of

people preparing for = IETF-98. Maybe just means that everyone thinks

it is obvious to = update the RFC and move on.

 

Anyway, since I'm = sitting in a WG meeting where the discussion is = a

little too esoteric = even for me, here is a quick (but late) review.

 

Cheers,

Adrian

 

=3D=3D=3D

 

Unfortunate effect of = a bis is that the author count has gone OTT.

 

---

 

A bit odd to wipe the = Acknowledgements of the people who contributed = to

RFC = 6006.

 

---

 

Why has Zafar = disappeared from the Authors' Addresses (but remains = on

the front = page)?

 

---

 

Good job picking up = the five errata that are on file.

I was a little = surprised to see some additional changes that have = not

been flagged to the WG = nor noted anywhere in the document (e.g., in a

changes section such = as Appendix A).

 

---

 

I see you added some = text to 3.4. I see that this text is to explain

the RBNF that follows, = so that is probably OK.

 

---

 

I must have missed the = discussion of Errata Report 4867. Sorry about

that.

 

There are three = issues, I think

1. Trying to pack all = RBNF into the spec as though the RBNF was the

   normative definition of = the message format. It isn't and was never

   intended to = be.

   Doing this gets = infinitely complicated as more objects are = added.

   Doesn't mean what you = have done is wrong, wrt svec-list, just not

   = necessary.

2. Removal of = <BANDWIDTH> from <RRO-List> is wrong, I = think.

   As I see = it:

     You can apply = <BANDWIDTH> to the whole <RRO-List> by placing = it

     after the = <RRO-List>.

     If you want = one <RRO> in an <RRO-List> to have a = different

     = <BANDWIDTH> you can include a separate <BANDWIDTH> = after the

     = <RRO>.

   I think you have = *changed* the specification so that the way this

   function is achieved is = to pull the <RRO> that has a different

   <BANDWIDTH> out = into a different <RRO-List>.

   That's functional and can = be changed if that is what people want

   and have discussed, but = doing it with an Errata is a mistake because

   it was not an error in = the document.

3. You also see to = think that <BANDWIDTH> cannot be applied to = the

   <END-POINTS> unless = an <RRO-LIST> is present. I think that is

   wrong, too.  If it makes sense to have = <END-POINTS> without an

   an <RRO-List> why = would you not allow each instance of = <END-POINTS>

   to have its own = <BANDWIDTH>? This also seems to be a change = of

   substance rather than an = error in the document. Again, the WG is

   free to make this change, = but surely not without discussion.

 

---

 

I see you have added = some text to 3.5. This also seems to be just

explanation and is = probably OK.

 

---

 

The fix in 3.12 looks = good, but was not flagged to the WG.

 

From: Pce = [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan = Hardwick
Sent: 10 March 2017 13:55
To: = pce@ietf.org
Subject: [Pce] Working group last call for = draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-00

 

Dear PCE = working group,

 

This email = starts a working group last call for = draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-00.

http= s://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis/

 

Please = read the document and reply to the PCE mailing list whether you believe = this document is ready to be published, or not (including any comments = on why not).  The last call will end on Monday 20 = March.

 

Best regards

Jon, = JP and Julien

 

 

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Adrian, Many thanks for your comments. I will let the document authors reply to yo= ur points, but I just wanted to clarify the process that we've followed. The draft, and a summary of the changes it introduced, was advertised to th= e working group with an email to the list on 3 Nov last year. The authors = followed this up with a presentation at IETF 97, where they asked for guida= nce on how to proceed with the issues they were raising. The options we co= nsidered were to either raise a new erratum or publish this bis-draft as a = new RFC. After discussion we decided to do both, which is why the proposed= changes are now in the errata system. I do understand your points and I t= end to agree on reflection that some of the changes in erratum 4867 are not= really suitable for an Errata Report. However I must stress that the erra= tum was raised _after_ the changes were announced and discussed, and there = did seem to be consensus behind those changes (or at least, no dissention). Best regards Jon From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] Sent: 28 March 2017 17:18 To: Jonathan Hardwick ; pce@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Pce] Working group last call for draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-00 Hi Jon, I see that WG last call completed in silence. Possibly a function of people preparing for IETF-98. Maybe just means that everyone thinks it is obvious to update the RFC and move on. Anyway, since I'm sitting in a WG meeting where the discussion is a little too esoteric even for me, here is a quick (but late) review. Cheers, Adrian =3D=3D=3D Unfortunate effect of a bis is that the author count has gone OTT. --- A bit odd to wipe the Acknowledgements of the people who contributed to RFC 6006. --- Why has Zafar disappeared from the Authors' Addresses (but remains on the front page)? --- Good job picking up the five errata that are on file. I was a little surprised to see some additional changes that have not been flagged to the WG nor noted anywhere in the document (e.g., in a changes section such as Appendix A). --- I see you added some text to 3.4. I see that this text is to explain the RBNF that follows, so that is probably OK. --- I must have missed the discussion of Errata Report 4867. Sorry about that. There are three issues, I think 1. Trying to pack all RBNF into the spec as though the RBNF was the normative definition of the message format. It isn't and was never intended to be. Doing this gets infinitely complicated as more objects are added. Doesn't mean what you have done is wrong, wrt svec-list, just not necessary. 2. Removal of from is wrong, I think. As I see it: You can apply to the whole by placing it after the . If you want one in an to have a different you can include a separate after the . I think you have *changed* the specification so that the way this function is achieved is to pull the that has a different out into a different . That's functional and can be changed if that is what people want and have discussed, but doing it with an Errata is a mistake because it was not an error in the document. 3. You also see to think that cannot be applied to the unless an is present. I think that is wrong, too. If it makes sense to have without an an why would you not allow each instance of to have its own ? This also seems to be a change of substance rather than an error in the document. Again, the WG is free to make this change, but surely not without discussion. --- I see you have added some text to 3.5. This also seems to be just explanation and is probably OK. --- The fix in 3.12 looks good, but was not flagged to the WG. From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hardwick Sent: 10 March 2017 13:55 To: pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] Working group last call for draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-00 Dear PCE working group, This email starts a working group last call for draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-0= 0. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis/ Please read the document and reply to the PCE mailing list whether you beli= eve this document is ready to be published, or not (including any comments = on why not). The last call will end on Monday 20 March. Best regards Jon, JP and Julien --_000_BY2PR0201MB19101CD8065B0857D3E8D78284320BY2PR0201MB1910_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Adrian,<= /span>

 

Many thanks for your c= omments.  I will let the document authors reply to your points, but I = just wanted to clarify the process that we’ve followed.

 

The draft, and a summa= ry of the changes it introduced, was advertised to the working group with a= n email to the list on 3 Nov last year.  The authors followed this up = with a presentation at IETF 97, where they asked for guidance on how to proceed with the issues they were raising.&nb= sp; The options we considered were to either raise a new erratum or publish= this bis-draft as a new RFC.  After discussion we decided to do both,= which is why the proposed changes are now in the errata system.  I do understand your points and I tend to agre= e on reflection that some of the changes in erratum 4867 are not really sui= table for an Errata Report.  However I must stress that the erratum wa= s raised _after_ the changes were announced and discussed, and there did seem to be consensus behind those changes (or= at least, no dissention).

 

Best regards

Jon<= /p>

 

 

From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk]
Sent: 28 March 2017 17:18
To: Jonathan Hardwick <Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com>; pce@= ietf.org
Subject: RE: [Pce] Working group last call for draft-ietf-pce-rfc600= 6bis-00

 

Hi Jon,

 

I see that WG last cal= l completed in silence. Possibly a function of

people preparing for I= ETF-98. Maybe just means that everyone thinks

it is obvious to updat= e the RFC and move on.

 

Anyway, since I'm sitt= ing in a WG meeting where the discussion is a

little too esoteric ev= en for me, here is a quick (but late) review.

 

Cheers,

Adrian

 

=3D=3D=3D

 

Unfortunate effect of = a bis is that the author count has gone OTT.

 

---<= /p>

 

A bit odd to wipe the = Acknowledgements of the people who contributed to

RFC 6006.

 

---<= /p>

 

Why has Zafar disappea= red from the Authors' Addresses (but remains on

the front page)?<= /o:p>

 

---<= /p>

 

Good job picking up th= e five errata that are on file.

I was a little surpris= ed to see some additional changes that have not

been flagged to the WG= nor noted anywhere in the document (e.g., in a

changes section such a= s Appendix A).

 

---<= /p>

 

I see you added some t= ext to 3.4. I see that this text is to explain

the RBNF that follows,= so that is probably OK.

 

---<= /p>

 

I must have missed the= discussion of Errata Report 4867. Sorry about

that.

 

There are three issues= , I think

1. Trying to pack all = RBNF into the spec as though the RBNF was the

   normative= definition of the message format. It isn't and was never=

   intended = to be.

   Doing thi= s gets infinitely complicated as more objects are added.<= /p>

   Doesn't m= ean what you have done is wrong, wrt svec-list, just not<= /p>

   necessary= .

2. Removal of <BAND= WIDTH> from <RRO-List> is wrong, I think.

   As I see = it:

   &nbs= p; You can apply <BANDWIDTH> to the whole <RRO-List> by placing= it

   &nbs= p; after the <RRO-List>.

   &nbs= p; If you want one <RRO> in an <RRO-List> to have a different

   &nbs= p; <BANDWIDTH> you can include a separate <BANDWIDTH> after the=

   &nbs= p; <RRO>.

   I think y= ou have *changed* the specification so that the way this<= /p>

   function = is achieved is to pull the <RRO> that has a different

   <BANDW= IDTH> out into a different <RRO-List>.

   That's fu= nctional and can be changed if that is what people want

   and have = discussed, but doing it with an Errata is a mistake because

   it was no= t an error in the document.

3. You also see to thi= nk that <BANDWIDTH> cannot be applied to the

   <END-P= OINTS> unless an <RRO-LIST> is present. I think that is=

   wrong, to= o.  If it makes sense to have <END-POINTS> without an=

   an <RR= O-List> why would you not allow each instance of <END-POINTS>=

   to have i= ts own <BANDWIDTH>? This also seems to be a change of

   substance= rather than an error in the document. Again, the WG is

   free to m= ake this change, but surely not without discussion.

 

---<= /p>

 

I see you have added s= ome text to 3.5. This also seems to be just

explanation and is pro= bably OK.

 

---<= /p>

 

The fix in 3.12 looks = good, but was not flagged to the WG.

 

From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hardwick
Sent: 10 March 2017 13:55
To: pce@ietf.org
Subject: [Pce] Working group last call for draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis= -00

 

Dear PCE working group,

 

This email starts a working group last call for draf= t-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-00.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-rfc6= 006bis/

 

Please read the document and reply to the PCE mailin= g list whether you believe this document is ready to be published, or not (= including any comments on why not).  The last call will end on Monday 20 March.

 

Best regards

Jon, JP and Julien

 

 

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As I said to you in private conversation, I think this is good work, in scope for the WG, and useful. The high revision number of the document reflects, I believe, that you saw the future and started the work quite a bit earlier than anyone was ready for. I think we are ready now. The one (small) thing I mentioned that I would like to see added to the draft is a small section that relates this work to draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-plane. It seems to me that everything is compatible and all we need to do is describe briefly how the pieces it together. If you like, I can suggest text. Thanks, Adrian From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Qin Wu Sent: 28 March 2017 00:42 To: pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] Update of draft-wu-pce-traffic-steering-sfc-11 Hi, All: Didn't get time to introduce PCEP extension for SFC support: Here is the update of draft-wu-pce-traffic-steering-sfc-11 , https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98/slides/slides-98-pce-42-pcep-extensions-for- sfc-00.pdf This draft provides PCEP extension to address Path computation and classification requirements defined in RFC7665 and I-D.ietf-sfc-control-plane. It is also aligned with SFC control plane and teas WG pce central control drafts. This draft has been around several IETF meetings and became stable when several dependent documents have been solid as basis. Before this meeting, we recieved a few comments from SFC chairs and it has been addressed in v-(11). We are happy to recieve additional comments if you have. Thanks! -Qin ------=_NextPart_000_02EF_01D2A820.D65BB580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks for the update, = Qin.

 

As I said to you in private conversation, I think = this is good work, in scope for the WG, and = useful.

The high revision number of the document reflects, = I believe, that you saw the future and started the work quite a bit = earlier than anyone was ready for. I think we are ready = now.

 

The one (small) thing I mentioned that I would = like to see added to the draft is a small section that relates this work = to draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-plane. It seems to me that everything = is compatible and all we need to do is describe briefly how the pieces = it together.

 

If you like, I can suggest = text.

 

Thanks,

Adrian

 

 

From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Qin = Wu
Sent: 28 March 2017 00:42
To: = pce@ietf.org
Subject: [Pce] Update of = draft-wu-pce-traffic-steering-sfc-11

 

= Hi, All:

= Didn't get time to introduce PCEP extension for SFC = support:

= Here is the update of draft-wu-pce-traffic-steering-sfc-11, =

= https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98/slides/sli= des-98-pce-42-pcep-extensions-for-sfc-00.pdf

= = This draft provides PCEP extension to address Path computation and = classification requirements defined in RFC7665 and =

= I-D.ietf-sfc-control-plane. It is also aligned with SFC control = plane and teas WG pce central control = drafts.

=  

= This draft has been around several IETF meetings and became stable when = several dependent documents have been solid as = basis.

= Before this meeting, we recieved a few comments from SFC chairs and = it has been addressed in v-(11).

= We are happy to recieve additional comments if you have. = Thanks!

=  

= -Qin

=  

=  

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Adrian:
Good feedback and happy to see your prop= osal,:-)

-Qin
Sent from HUAWEI AnyOffice
=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BA adrian
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BA Qin Wu; pce@ietf.org;
=D6=F7=CC=E2=A3=BA RE: [Pce] Update of draft-wu-pce-traffic-ste= ering-sfc-11
=CA=B1=BC=E4=A3=BA 2017-03-28 18:10:27


Thanks for the update, = Qin.

 

As I said to you in pri= vate conversation, I think this is good work, in scope for the WG, and usef= ul.

The high revision numbe= r of the document reflects, I believe, that you saw the future and started = the work quite a bit earlier than anyone was ready for. I think we are ready now.

 

The one (small) thing I= mentioned that I would like to see added to the draft is a small section t= hat relates this work to draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-plane. It seems to me that everything is compatible and all we need to do is desc= ribe briefly how the pieces it together.

 

If you like, I can sugg= est text.

 

Thanks,

Adrian

 

 

From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Qin Wu
Sent: 28 March 2017 00:42
To: pce@ietf.org
Subject: [Pce] Update of draft-wu-pce-traffic-steering-sfc-11=

 

--_000_etPan58daf9db6b8b4567476QinWudeiPhone_-- From nobody Tue Mar 28 17:04:12 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pce@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1051C126CE8; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 17:04:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.619 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.619 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RWc8AT3odZ_0; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 17:04:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (asmtp3.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA58B126579; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 17:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v2T042pp009984; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 01:04:02 +0100 Received: from 950129200 (dhcp-8535.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.133.53]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v2T03w5Z009938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 29 Mar 2017 01:03:59 +0100 Reply-To: From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Jonathan Hardwick'" , , References: <02be01d2a811$30babae0$923030a0$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 01:03:58 +0100 Message-ID: <033c01d2a81f$f96739b0$ec35ad10$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_033D_01D2A828.5B31BC30" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQKCqq4K0ytLtKzQnxfPKdNtt4uUogG4qmZFAMhPVJ2gNuCqEA== Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.1.0.1062-22972.003 X-TM-AS-Result: No--17.911-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--17.911-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: 8HTFlOrbAtGnykMun0J1wnuzDvI75j0s1kqyrcMalqW9Ah7SIEnrcRZ0 n9DHfDtemoTKpjV2t0VyvPxe5bGg6bOJOGbA9v7VMKPrF7dK57MHgh3sKJBzP8IPenBGRWaG0u5 faGP8ztQXXptLLKxb76tkhLT3eEBpXaS5Ieafe4NWjqaf7FeZ1SqqEq5TOz4fl9UVnK8KIxzl/e gxy8cL8EDaFWWORzZ2JF1f/jV7MRIURubF0OgaSBQSbXbv/SQmjX0BChis2L1q4coTktrGX/YlE Lq9U/AgANvoogc/1/exvbRpCgjdSfD8WL7IHVq/LXqeYLb/NKowfLxZBBiaTFpbYq2f4jz+na7F mSO7Oq8YCzTjCFJAqRZX+gsJvjz2KC6zcKg/n0CdtRmRhPNchsnlJe2gk8vIfJBMK2Oqf7HQPNG glLjPmbvwDLvfx/frk2+9mR42fTNceudB7LuNkFPjo7D4SFg4tDSfcMR+7ZPqLnOUXH9QdKYSzV NTx046OGyKtVnw1moUinIU8rdcsCv2N27ucWqcvR08UROkEAcsCc2iFTIxrVfXgfL55invu4tTC 8CkIPIOUr8so7QkcRRarxI0TMC+JVWqk0NljVzZR3/Wd6mSkwQ6UKoLsYDeyPRAwD/3abbGEfot TZgUJSGUFCT7zA3yv7FNEK281b/POb61tmLEGrxygpRxo469C4rWEiK1IgfNQVzhfYY5souMxQu B3m2ONtrqBJtuOX6BWjWj7hCG0qoO96Tfmapcndu3heVAxaMP4vBWNr0zgSA6eO+NDmAxJZ3D0z KPh7H10yQNuo1OJZfucML7iAp6c1BeS/J6aN+eAiCmPx4NwGmRqNBHmBvevqq8s2MNhPDPPeN6H N6d7E+N7oe5M1Kpzak0cL98ppOyLKNqab2zTh7Akrh4EZiQgL2WlEAm0tXbzo9J0bDp3w== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Pce] Working group last call for draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-00 X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 00:04:11 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_033D_01D2A828.5B31BC30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK. Got it. Thanks. Adrian -- Support an author and your imagination. Tales from the Wood - Eighteen new fairy tales. More Tales from the Wood - Eighteen MORE new fairy tales. https://www.feedaread.com/profiles/8604/ http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tales-Wood-Adrian-Farrel/dp/1786100924 Or buy from me direct. From: Jonathan Hardwick [mailto:Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com] Sent: 29 March 2017 00:00 To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; pce@ietf.org; draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Pce] Working group last call for draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-00 Hi Adrian, Many thanks for your comments. I will let the document authors reply to your points, but I just wanted to clarify the process that we've followed. The draft, and a summary of the changes it introduced, was advertised to the working group with an email to the list on 3 Nov last year. The authors followed this up with a presentation at IETF 97, where they asked for guidance on how to proceed with the issues they were raising. The options we considered were to either raise a new erratum or publish this bis-draft as a new RFC. After discussion we decided to do both, which is why the proposed changes are now in the errata system. I do understand your points and I tend to agree on reflection that some of the changes in erratum 4867 are not really suitable for an Errata Report. However I must stress that the erratum was raised _after_ the changes were announced and discussed, and there did seem to be consensus behind those changes (or at least, no dissention). Best regards Jon From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] Sent: 28 March 2017 17:18 To: Jonathan Hardwick ; pce@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Pce] Working group last call for draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-00 Hi Jon, I see that WG last call completed in silence. Possibly a function of people preparing for IETF-98. Maybe just means that everyone thinks it is obvious to update the RFC and move on. Anyway, since I'm sitting in a WG meeting where the discussion is a little too esoteric even for me, here is a quick (but late) review. Cheers, Adrian === Unfortunate effect of a bis is that the author count has gone OTT. --- A bit odd to wipe the Acknowledgements of the people who contributed to RFC 6006. --- Why has Zafar disappeared from the Authors' Addresses (but remains on the front page)? --- Good job picking up the five errata that are on file. I was a little surprised to see some additional changes that have not been flagged to the WG nor noted anywhere in the document (e.g., in a changes section such as Appendix A). --- I see you added some text to 3.4. I see that this text is to explain the RBNF that follows, so that is probably OK. --- I must have missed the discussion of Errata Report 4867. Sorry about that. There are three issues, I think 1. Trying to pack all RBNF into the spec as though the RBNF was the normative definition of the message format. It isn't and was never intended to be. Doing this gets infinitely complicated as more objects are added. Doesn't mean what you have done is wrong, wrt svec-list, just not necessary. 2. Removal of from is wrong, I think. As I see it: You can apply to the whole by placing it after the . If you want one in an to have a different you can include a separate after the . I think you have *changed* the specification so that the way this function is achieved is to pull the that has a different out into a different . That's functional and can be changed if that is what people want and have discussed, but doing it with an Errata is a mistake because it was not an error in the document. 3. You also see to think that cannot be applied to the unless an is present. I think that is wrong, too. If it makes sense to have without an an why would you not allow each instance of to have its own ? This also seems to be a change of substance rather than an error in the document. Again, the WG is free to make this change, but surely not without discussion. --- I see you have added some text to 3.5. This also seems to be just explanation and is probably OK. --- The fix in 3.12 looks good, but was not flagged to the WG. From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hardwick Sent: 10 March 2017 13:55 To: pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] Working group last call for draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-00 Dear PCE working group, This email starts a working group last call for draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-00. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis/ Please read the document and reply to the PCE mailing list whether you believe this document is ready to be published, or not (including any comments on why not). The last call will end on Monday 20 March. Best regards Jon, JP and Julien ------=_NextPart_000_033D_01D2A828.5B31BC30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

OK.

Got it. =

Thanks.

Adrian

--=

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Tales = from the Wood - Eighteen new fairy tales.

More = Tales from the Wood - Eighteen MORE new fairy = tales.

https:/= /www.feedaread.com/profiles/8604/

http://= www.amazon.co.uk/Tales-Wood-Adrian-Farrel/dp/1786100924=

Or buy = from me direct.

 

 

 

From: Jonathan = Hardwick [mailto:Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com]
Sent: 29 = March 2017 00:00
To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; pce@ietf.org; = draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [Pce] Working = group last call for = draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-00

 

Hi Adrian,

 

Many thanks for your = comments.  I will let the document authors reply to your points, = but I just wanted to clarify the process that we’ve = followed.

 

The draft, and a summary = of the changes it introduced, was advertised to the working group with = an email to the list on 3 Nov last year.  The authors followed this = up with a presentation at IETF 97, where they asked for guidance on how = to proceed with the issues they were raising.  The options we = considered were to either raise a new erratum or publish this bis-draft = as a new RFC.  After discussion we decided to do both, which is why = the proposed changes are now in the errata system.  I do understand = your points and I tend to agree on reflection that some of the changes = in erratum 4867 are not really suitable for an Errata Report.  = However I must stress that the erratum was raised _after_ the = changes were announced and discussed, and there did seem to be consensus = behind those changes (or at least, no = dissention).

 

Best = regards

Jon

 

 

From:= Adrian = Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk]
Sent: 28 March 2017 = 17:18
To: Jonathan Hardwick = <Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com>; = pce@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [Pce] Working group last call for = draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-00

 

Hi Jon,

 

I see that WG last call = completed in silence. Possibly a function of

people preparing for = IETF-98. Maybe just means that everyone thinks

it is obvious to update = the RFC and move on.

 

Anyway, since I'm = sitting in a WG meeting where the discussion is = a

little too esoteric even for me, here is a quick = (but late) review.

 

Cheers,

Adrian

 

=3D=3D=3D

 

Unfortunate effect of a = bis is that the author count has gone OTT.

 

---

 

A bit odd to wipe the = Acknowledgements of the people who contributed = to

RFC 6006.

 

---

 

Why has Zafar = disappeared from the Authors' Addresses (but remains = on

the front page)?

 

---

 

Good job picking up the = five errata that are on file.

I was a little surprised = to see some additional changes that have not

been flagged to the WG = nor noted anywhere in the document (e.g., in a

changes section such as = Appendix A).

 

---

 

I see you added some = text to 3.4. I see that this text is to explain

the RBNF that follows, = so that is probably OK.

 

---

 

I must have missed the = discussion of Errata Report 4867. Sorry about

that.

 

There are three issues, = I think

1. Trying to pack all RBNF into the spec as = though the RBNF was the

   normative definition of the message = format. It isn't and was never

   intended to = be.

   Doing this gets infinitely = complicated as more objects are added.

   Doesn't = mean what you have done is wrong, wrt svec-list, just = not

   necessary.

2. Removal of = <BANDWIDTH> from <RRO-List> is wrong, I = think.

   As I see = it:

     You can apply = <BANDWIDTH> to the whole <RRO-List> by placing = it

     after the = <RRO-List>.

     If you want one = <RRO> in an <RRO-List> to have a = different

     <BANDWIDTH> you = can include a separate <BANDWIDTH> after = the

     = <RRO>.

   I think you have *changed* the = specification so that the way this

   function is = achieved is to pull the <RRO> that has a = different

   <BANDWIDTH> out into a = different <RRO-List>.

   That's = functional and can be changed if that is what people = want

   and have discussed, but doing it = with an Errata is a mistake because

   it was not = an error in the document.

3. You also see to think = that <BANDWIDTH> cannot be applied to the

   = <END-POINTS> unless an <RRO-LIST> is present. I think that = is

   wrong, too.  If it makes sense = to have <END-POINTS> without an

   an = <RRO-List> why would you not allow each instance of = <END-POINTS>

   to have its own <BANDWIDTH>? = This also seems to be a change of

   substance = rather than an error in the document. Again, the WG = is

   free to make this change, but = surely not without discussion.

 

---

 

I see you have added = some text to 3.5. This also seems to be just

explanation and is = probably OK.

 

---

 

The fix in 3.12 looks = good, but was not flagged to the WG.

 

From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Jonathan Hardwick
Sent: 10 March 2017 = 13:55
To: pce@ietf.org
Subject: [Pce] = Working group last call for = draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-00

 

Dear PCE = working group,

 

This email = starts a working group last call for = draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-00.

http= s://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis/

 

Please = read the document and reply to the PCE mailing list whether you believe = this document is ready to be published, or not (including any comments = on why not).  The last call will end on Monday 20 = March.

 

Best regards

Jon, = JP and Julien

 

 

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See inline for details... From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel Sent: 28 March 2017 17:18 To: 'Jonathan Hardwick' ; pce@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pce] Working group last call for draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-00 Hi Jon, I see that WG last call completed in silence. Possibly a function of people preparing for IETF-98. Maybe just means that everyone thinks it is obvious to update the RFC and move on. Anyway, since I'm sitting in a WG meeting where the discussion is a little too esoteric even for me, here is a quick (but late) review. Cheers, Adrian =3D=3D=3D Unfortunate effect of a bis is that the author count has gone OTT. [Dhruv] Yes, I think this can be added in the shepherd report and hopefully= that should be fine. --- A bit odd to wipe the Acknowledgements of the people who contributed to RFC 6006. [Dhruv] Ack --- Why has Zafar disappeared from the Authors' Addresses (but remains on the front page)? [Dhruv] Oops, my mistake. Fixed. --- Good job picking up the five errata that are on file. I was a little surprised to see some additional changes that have not been flagged to the WG nor noted anywhere in the document (e.g., in a changes section such as Appendix A). --- I see you added some text to 3.4. I see that this text is to explain the RBNF that follows, so that is probably OK. --- I must have missed the discussion of Errata Report 4867. Sorry about that. There are three issues, I think 1. Trying to pack all RBNF into the spec as though the RBNF was the normative definition of the message format. It isn't and was never intended to be. Doing this gets infinitely complicated as more objects are added. Doesn't mean what you have done is wrong, wrt svec-list, just not necessary. 2. Removal of from is wrong, I think. As I see it: You can apply to the whole by placing it after the . If you want one in an to have a different you can include a separate after the . I think you have *changed* the specification so that the way this function is achieved is to pull the that has a different out into a different . That's functional and can be changed if that is what people want and have discussed, but doing it with an Errata is a mistake because it was not an error in the document. 3. You also see to think that cannot be applied to the unless an is present. I think that is wrong, too. If it makes sense to have without an an why would you not allow each instance of to have its own ? This also seems to be a change of substance rather than an error in the document. Again, the WG is free to make this change, but surely not without discussion. [Dhruv] https://tools.ietf.org//rfcdiff?url1=3DRFC6006&url2=3Ddraft-ietf-pc= e-rfc6006bis-00 [cid:image001.png@01D2A7FA.3C6C9FA0] - BANDWIDTH object is for the full P2MP tree i.e. for all destinatio= ns, we do not need different bandwidth for each destination/RRO. - The re-optimization bandwidth needs to be included only with the R= RO; this is same as RFC5440 So the changes in the RBNF were done to fix it. --- I see you have added some text to 3.5. This also seems to be just explanation and is probably OK. --- The fix in 3.12 looks good, but was not flagged to the WG. I will upload a new version as well. Thanks! Dhruv From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hardwick Sent: 10 March 2017 13:55 To: pce@ietf.org Subject: [Pce] Working group last call for draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-00 Dear PCE working group, This email starts a working group last call for draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-0= 0. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis/ Please read the document and reply to the PCE mailing list whether you beli= eve this document is ready to be published, or not (including any comments = on why not). The last call will end on Monday 20 March. Best regards Jon, JP and Julien --_000_23CE718903A838468A8B325B80962F9B8CABE6CDblreml501mbb_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi WG,

 

Adrian, Jon and I had = a quick chat (the benefit of getting comments during the IETF week).  =

See inline for details= …

 

From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel
Sent: 28 March 2017 17:18
To: 'Jonathan Hardwick' <Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com>; pc= e@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Pce] Working group last call for draft-ietf-pce-rfc600= 6bis-00

 

Hi Jon,=

&n= bsp;

I see t= hat WG last call completed in silence. Possibly a function of

people = preparing for IETF-98. Maybe just means that everyone thinks

it is o= bvious to update the RFC and move on.

&n= bsp;

Anyway,= since I'm sitting in a WG meeting where the discussion is a

little = too esoteric even for me, here is a quick (but late) review.

&n= bsp;

Cheers,=

Adrian<= o:p>

&n= bsp;

=3D=3D= =3D

&n= bsp;

Unfortu= nate effect of a bis is that the author count has gone OTT.

&n= bsp;

[= Dhruv] Yes, I think this can be added in the shepherd report and hopefully = that should be fine.

---

&n= bsp;

A bit o= dd to wipe the Acknowledgements of the people who contributed to=

RFC 600= 6.

&n= bsp;

[= Dhruv] Ack=

---

&n= bsp;

Why has= Zafar disappeared from the Authors' Addresses (but remains on

the fro= nt page)?

&n= bsp;

[= Dhruv] Oops, my mistake. Fixed.

---

&n= bsp;

Good jo= b picking up the five errata that are on file.

I was a= little surprised to see some additional changes that have not

been fl= agged to the WG nor noted anywhere in the document (e.g., in a

changes= section such as Appendix A).

&n= bsp;

---

&n= bsp;

I see y= ou added some text to 3.4. I see that this text is to explain

the RBN= F that follows, so that is probably OK.

&n= bsp;

---

&n= bsp;

I must = have missed the discussion of Errata Report 4867. Sorry about

that.

&n= bsp;

There a= re three issues, I think

1. Tryi= ng to pack all RBNF into the spec as though the RBNF was the

 &= nbsp; normative definition of the message format. It isn't and was never

 &= nbsp; intended to be.

 &= nbsp; Doing this gets infinitely complicated as more objects are added.

 &= nbsp; Doesn't mean what you have done is wrong, wrt svec-list, just not

 &= nbsp; necessary.

2. Remo= val of <BANDWIDTH> from <RRO-List> is wrong, I think.

 &= nbsp; As I see it:

 &= nbsp;   You can apply <BANDWIDTH> to the whole <RRO-List= > by placing it

 &= nbsp;   after the <RRO-List>.

 &= nbsp;   If you want one <RRO> in an <RRO-List> to hav= e a different

 &= nbsp;   <BANDWIDTH> you can include a separate <BANDWIDT= H> after the

 &= nbsp;   <RRO>.

 &= nbsp; I think you have *changed* the specification so that the way this

 &= nbsp; function is achieved is to pull the <RRO> that has a different<= o:p>

 &= nbsp; <BANDWIDTH> out into a different <RRO-List>.

 &= nbsp; That's functional and can be changed if that is what people want=

 &= nbsp; and have discussed, but doing it with an Errata is a mistake because<= o:p>

 &= nbsp; it was not an error in the document.

3. You = also see to think that <BANDWIDTH> cannot be applied to the

 &= nbsp; <END-POINTS> unless an <RRO-LIST> is present. I think tha= t is

 &= nbsp; wrong, too.  If it makes sense to have <END-POINTS> withou= t an

 &= nbsp; an <RRO-List> why would you not allow each instance of <END-= POINTS>

 &= nbsp; to have its own <BANDWIDTH>? This also seems to be a change of<= o:p>

 &= nbsp; substance rather than an error in the document. Again, the WG is=

 &= nbsp; free to make this change, but surely not without discussion.

&n= bsp;

[= Dhruv] https://tools.ietf.org//rfcdiff?url1=3DRFC6006&url2=3Ddraft-ietf-pce-rf= c6006bis-00

&n= bsp;

-        BANDWIDTH object is for the full P2MP tree i.e. for all destinations= , we do not need different bandwidth for each destination/RRO.

-        The re-optimization bandwidth needs to be included only with the RRO= ; this is same as RFC5440

&n= bsp;

S= o the changes in the RBNF were done to fix it.

 <= o:p>

---

&n= bsp;

I see y= ou have added some text to 3.5. This also seems to be just

explana= tion and is probably OK.

&n= bsp;

---

&n= bsp;

The fix= in 3.12 looks good, but was not flagged to the WG.

&n= bsp;

I= will upload a new version as well.

<= o:p> 

T= hanks!

D= hruv

&n= bsp;

From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hardwick
Sent: 10 March 2017 13:55
To: pce@ietf.org
Subject: [Pce] Working group last call for draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis= -00

 

Dear PCE working group,

 

This email starts a working gro= up last call for draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-00.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/do= c/draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis/

 

Please read the document and re= ply to the PCE mailing list whether you believe this document is ready to b= e published, or not (including any comments on why not).  The last cal= l will end on Monday 20 March.

 

Best regards<= /p>

Jon, JP and Julien

 

 

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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: pce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.48.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149075020058.1332.3447266433369563653@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 18:16:40 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Pce] I-D Action: draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-01.txt X-BeenThere: pce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Path Computation Element List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 01:16:41 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Path Computation Element of the IETF. Title : Extensions to the Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) for Point-to-Multipoint Traffic Engineering Label Switched Paths Authors : Quintin Zhao Dhruv Dhody Ramanjaneya Reddy Palleti Daniel King Fabien Verhaeghe Tomonori Takeda Zafar Ali Julien Meuric Filename : draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-01.txt Pages : 41 Date : 2017-03-28 Abstract: Point-to-point Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) and Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Traffic Engineering Label Switched Paths (TE LSPs) may be established using signaling techniques, but their paths may first need to be determined. The Path Computation Element (PCE) has been identified as an appropriate technology for the determination of the paths of point-to-multipoint (P2MP) TE LSPs. This document describes extensions to the PCE communication Protocol (PCEP) to handle requests and responses for the computation of paths for P2MP TE LSPs. 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Tales from the Wood - Eighteen new fairy tales. More Tales from the Wood - Eighteen MORE new fairy tales. https://www.feedaread.com/profiles/8604/ http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tales-Wood-Adrian-Farrel/dp/1786100924 Or buy from me direct. From: Dhruv Dhody [mailto:dhruv.dhody@huawei.com] Sent: 29 March 2017 01:55 To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'Jonathan Hardwick'; pce@ietf.org Cc: Dhruv Dhody Subject: RE: [Pce] Working group last call for draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-00 Hi WG, Adrian, Jon and I had a quick chat (the benefit of getting comments during the IETF week). See inline for details. From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel Sent: 28 March 2017 17:18 To: 'Jonathan Hardwick' ; pce@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pce] Working group last call for draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-00 Hi Jon, I see that WG last call completed in silence. Possibly a function of people preparing for IETF-98. Maybe just means that everyone thinks it is obvious to update the RFC and move on. Anyway, since I'm sitting in a WG meeting where the discussion is a little too esoteric even for me, here is a quick (but late) review. Cheers, Adrian === Unfortunate effect of a bis is that the author count has gone OTT. [Dhruv] Yes, I think this can be added in the shepherd report and hopefully that should be fine. --- A bit odd to wipe the Acknowledgements of the people who contributed to RFC 6006. [Dhruv] Ack --- Why has Zafar disappeared from the Authors' Addresses (but remains on the front page)? [Dhruv] Oops, my mistake. Fixed. --- Good job picking up the five errata that are on file. I was a little surprised to see some additional changes that have not been flagged to the WG nor noted anywhere in the document (e.g., in a changes section such as Appendix A). --- I see you added some text to 3.4. I see that this text is to explain the RBNF that follows, so that is probably OK. --- I must have missed the discussion of Errata Report 4867. Sorry about that. There are three issues, I think 1. Trying to pack all RBNF into the spec as though the RBNF was the normative definition of the message format. It isn't and was never intended to be. Doing this gets infinitely complicated as more objects are added. Doesn't mean what you have done is wrong, wrt svec-list, just not necessary. 2. Removal of from is wrong, I think. As I see it: You can apply to the whole by placing it after the . If you want one in an to have a different you can include a separate after the . I think you have *changed* the specification so that the way this function is achieved is to pull the that has a different out into a different . That's functional and can be changed if that is what people want and have discussed, but doing it with an Errata is a mistake because it was not an error in the document. 3. You also see to think that cannot be applied to the unless an is present. I think that is wrong, too. If it makes sense to have without an an why would you not allow each instance of to have its own ? This also seems to be a change of substance rather than an error in the document. Again, the WG is free to make this change, but surely not without discussion. [Dhruv] https://tools.ietf.org//rfcdiff?url1=RFC6006 &url2=draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-00 - BANDWIDTH object is for the full P2MP tree i.e. for all destinations, we do not need different bandwidth for each destination/RRO. - The re-optimization bandwidth needs to be included only with the RRO; this is same as RFC5440 So the changes in the RBNF were done to fix it. --- I see you have added some text to 3.5. This also seems to be just explanation and is probably OK. --- The fix in 3.12 looks good, but was not flagged to the WG. I will upload a new version as well. Thanks! 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Just an ack to Dhruv's = email

 

A

 

--=

Support= an author and your imagination.

Tales = from the Wood - Eighteen new fairy tales.

More = Tales from the Wood - Eighteen MORE new fairy = tales.

https:/= /www.feedaread.com/profiles/8604/

http://= www.amazon.co.uk/Tales-Wood-Adrian-Farrel/dp/1786100924=

Or buy = from me direct.

 

 

 

From: Dhruv Dhody = [mailto:dhruv.dhody@huawei.com]
Sent: 29 March 2017 = 01:55
To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'Jonathan Hardwick'; = pce@ietf.org
Cc: Dhruv Dhody
Subject: RE: [Pce] = Working group last call for = draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-00

 

Hi WG, =

 <= /p>

Adrian, Jon and I had a = quick chat (the benefit of getting comments during the IETF week). =  

See inline for = details…

 <= /p>

From:= Pce = [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian = Farrel
Sent: 28 March 2017 17:18
To: 'Jonathan = Hardwick' <Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com>; = pce@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Pce] Working group last call for = draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-00

 

Hi = Jon,

 

I see that WG last call = completed in silence. Possibly a function of

people preparing for = IETF-98. Maybe just means that everyone thinks

it is obvious to update = the RFC and move on.

 

Anyway, since I'm = sitting in a WG meeting where the discussion is = a

little too esoteric even for me, here is a quick = (but late) review.

 

Cheers,

Adrian

 

=3D=3D=3D

 

Unfortunate effect of a = bis is that the author count has gone OTT.

 

[Dhruv] Yes, I = think this can be added in the shepherd report and hopefully that should = be fine.

---

 

A bit odd to wipe the = Acknowledgements of the people who contributed = to

RFC 6006.

 

[Dhruv] = Ack

---

 

Why has Zafar = disappeared from the Authors' Addresses (but remains = on

the front page)?

 

[Dhruv] Oops, my = mistake. Fixed.

---

 

Good job picking up the = five errata that are on file.

I was a little surprised = to see some additional changes that have not

been flagged to the WG = nor noted anywhere in the document (e.g., in a

changes section such as = Appendix A).

 

---

 

I see you added some = text to 3.4. I see that this text is to explain

the RBNF that follows, = so that is probably OK.

 

---

 

I must have missed the = discussion of Errata Report 4867. Sorry about

that.

 

There are three issues, = I think

1. Trying to pack all RBNF into the spec as = though the RBNF was the

   normative definition of the message = format. It isn't and was never

   intended to = be.

   Doing this gets infinitely = complicated as more objects are added.

   Doesn't = mean what you have done is wrong, wrt svec-list, just = not

   necessary.

2. Removal of = <BANDWIDTH> from <RRO-List> is wrong, I = think.

   As I see = it:

     You can apply = <BANDWIDTH> to the whole <RRO-List> by placing = it

     after the = <RRO-List>.

     If you want one = <RRO> in an <RRO-List> to have a = different

     <BANDWIDTH> you = can include a separate <BANDWIDTH> after = the

     = <RRO>.

   I think you have *changed* the = specification so that the way this

   function is = achieved is to pull the <RRO> that has a = different

   <BANDWIDTH> out into a = different <RRO-List>.

   That's = functional and can be changed if that is what people = want

   and have discussed, but doing it = with an Errata is a mistake because

   it was not = an error in the document.

3. You also see to think = that <BANDWIDTH> cannot be applied to the

   = <END-POINTS> unless an <RRO-LIST> is present. I think that = is

   wrong, too.  If it makes sense = to have <END-POINTS> without an

   an = <RRO-List> why would you not allow each instance of = <END-POINTS>

   to have its own <BANDWIDTH>? = This also seems to be a change of

   substance = rather than an error in the document. Again, the WG = is

   free to make this change, but = surely not without discussion.

 

[Dhruv] https://tools.ietf.org//rfcdiff?url1=3DRFC6006&= url2=3Ddraft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-00

 

-        = BANDWIDTH object is for the = full P2MP tree i.e. for all destinations, we do not need different = bandwidth for each destination/RRO.

-        = The re-optimization bandwidth = needs to be included only with the RRO; this is same as RFC5440 =

 

So the changes in = the RBNF were done to fix it.

 

---

 

I see you have added = some text to 3.5. This also seems to be just

explanation and is = probably OK.

 

---

 

The fix in 3.12 looks = good, but was not flagged to the WG.

 

I will upload a = new version as well.

 

Thanks!

Dhruv

 

From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Jonathan Hardwick
Sent: 10 March 2017 = 13:55
To: pce@ietf.org
Subject: [Pce] = Working group last call for = draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-00

 

Dear PCE = working group,

 

This email = starts a working group last call for = draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis-00.

http= s://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-rfc6006bis/

 

Please = read the document and reply to the PCE mailing list whether you believe = this document is ready to be published, or not (including any comments = on why not).  The last call will end on Monday 20 = March.

 

Best regards

Jon, = JP and Julien

 

 

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Thanks= to all our scribes! Please let us know if you have any comments or correc= tions. https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98/minutes/minutes-98-pce-01 Best regards Jon and Julien =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D PCE Working Group Meeting IETF 98 (Chicago, IL) Working Group Chairs: Julien Meuric (julien.meuric@orange.com) JP Vasseur (jpv@cisco.com) Jonathan Hardwick (jonathan.hardwick@metaswitch.com) Working Group Secretary: Daniel King (daniel@olddog.co.uk) Responsible AD: Deborah Brungard (db3546@att.com) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Session I Time: March 27, 2017, 15:20-16:50 (3:20pm-4:50pm) Location: Zurich G, Swissotel, Chicago IL, USA With thanks to all our scribes! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- 1. Introduction --------------- 1.1. Administrivia, Agenda Bashing (chairs, 5 min) - The session is being co-chaired by Jon Hardwick and Julien Meuric. Unfortunately, JP was unable to travel to the IETF this time. - Agenda bashing: no agenda changes. 1.2. WG Status (chairs, 15 min) Jon Hardwick: Stateful PCE draft is with the IESG and pending an update; th= e authors have promised an update by 1 April (no joke). Jon Hardwick: LSP initiation draft is with the IESG and is pending routing directorate review before IETF last call can be issued. Jon Hardwick: Inter-area/AS applicability draft needs an update before we c= an submit it to the IESG. Authors are working on it. Jon Hardwick: PCEPS draft is now being shepherded by Cyril Margaria; he has posted some comments and needs to see a new revision before w= e can submit to othe IESG. Jon Hardwick: WSON-RWA draft has been shepherded by Daniele Ceccarelli (thanks Daniele!) and is now blocked on advancing by the base PCEP-GMPLS draft. Jon Hardwick: Base PCEP-GMPLS draft is pending a shepherd report from Julie= n. Jeff Tantsura: Segment Routing draft will be updated this week. Jon Hardwick: IANA early allocation for this and LSP-setup type drafts expi= res in August - we must publish before then. Dhruv Dhody: Stateful P2MP draft can be progressed after the 6006bis draft. Dhruv Dhody: We are discussing with association-group authors, to make sure= it could be prioritized, as multiple documents depend on it. Young Lee: The Stateful PCE GMPLS draft will be revived; Xian has moved on = but she will hand the pen to someone else. 2. Work in Progress ------------------- 2.1. PCEP Extension for LSP Diversity (Stephane Litkowski, 5 min) https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-association-diversity/ No questions. 2.2. Association-aware Computation (Stephane Litkowski, 10 min) https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-litkowski-pce-state-sync/ Andrew Dolganow: Why assume that the last state received is the final state= ? Message routes through the network may be different. If sessions are flaping then it may get out of sync. Stephane Litkowski: We had an idea to add a timestamp. Robin Li: In multiple failure scenarios, this may get out of sync. If the session between PCC and PCE is broken or if PCC is restarted. The impact on other protocols like netconf, BGP needs to be analyzed. Stephane Litkowski: You can not solve all the problems. Julien Meuric: Who has read the document? [Not many except authors] Julien Meuric: Please read document and respond to the list. 2.3. PCE's Control Request (Chaitanya Yadlapalli, 5 min) https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raghu-pce-lsp-control-request/ Julien Meuric: Please do not suggest a specific bit number. This is the rol= e of IANA. Just use TBD in your draft. Andrew Dolganow: Can you clarify the need for this, before you ask for a bi= t. Chaitanya Yadlapalli: We will try to clarify the use case in the I-D. Julien Meuric: Please update the document and reflect changes to the list. Julien Meuric: Who has read the document? [About 12-15] Who, of those that read the document, think this is a useful feature? [About the same] 2.4. Experimental Codepoints (Dhruv Dhody, 5 min) https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dhody-pce-pcep-exp-codepoints/ Andrew Dolganow: Good work. There will be expected behavior, can you descri= be how to interpret the experimental bits? Dhruv Dhody: Actually, I think this is already discussed in the PCEP RFC [RFC5440] Andrew Dolganow: Can you just clarify this. Dhruv Dhody: Yup Jon Hardwick: Poll, who read the I-D? [8] Who thinks we need this? [same number] 2.5. Stateful H-PCE and ACTN (Dhurv Dhody, 10 min) https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dhody-pce-applicability-actn/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dhodylee-pce-stateful-hpce/ Michael Scharf: [Slide 9] You extend PCEP (on MMI and MPI interface) for th= e VN concept, but it's not clear on the architecture. This is an ACTN issue, not directly related to the PCEP WG or PCEP I-D= . Dhruv Dhody: We will pick this up in the ACTN architecture I-Ds Jon Hardwick: Who read the ACTN applicability document [10] Who thinks we need this? [About the same] Jon Hardwick: Who has read the stateful H-PCE document [About 15] Who thinks we need this? [About the same, a few less] Jon Hardwick: We will confirm on the list. 3. New I-Ds ----------- 3.1. PCE-initiated BRPC LSP Setup (Julien Meuric, 10 min) https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dugeon-brpc-stateful/ Fatai Zhang: Interesting I-D. Are you trying to use PCEP to create end-to-e= nd connections across domains, i.e., like RSVP-TE. Julien Meuric: Yes. Fatai Zhang: Can we use these PCEP extensions for other applications? Julien Meuric: Yes, segment routing is a use case. Fatai Zhang: Could you use PCECC? Julien Meuric: I think there is some common ground. We should discuss. Dhruv Dhody: I like the I-D, I like the SL-label to be generic, so that it = can be useful for stateful H-PCE as well, and a PCECC-like approac= h might be better. Dhruv Dhody: We need to investigate the security aspects of stateful BRPC, where PCE relationship is on the peer level, not client-server= . Julien Meuric: Agree. Its a -00 version. 3.2. PCEP Extension for Associated Bidirectional LSPs (Rakesh Gandhi, 10 mi= n) https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-barth-pce-association-bidir/ Jon Hardwick: Who thinks this is a good I-D to have? [12] Good, we will need to see more dicussion on the list. 3.3. PCEP Extensions for PM Reporting (Rakesh Gandhi, 10 min) https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-gandhi-pce-pm/ Andrew Dolganow: Capability is useful, but adding telemetry data to PCEP wi= ll not scale. The PCE is responsible for path computation wh= ich is already compute intensive. You can't add real-time telemetry without overloading it. Rakesh Ghandi: Motivation is to use the same channel to get LSP state as we= ll as performance. Fatai Zhang: Relationship to PCEP-LS is not mentioned in the document. Jeff Tantsura: Same concerns as Andrew, do you measure at head-end or per n= ode. Rakesh Ghandi: This is for head-end PCC, and for the LSPs that PCE cares ab= out. 4. I-Ds Pending Further Discussion 4.1. Bandwidth Scheduling (Yan Zhuang, 5 min) https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhuang-pce-stateful-pce-lsp-scheduli= ng/ Yan Zhuang: The authors have now produced a merged document and are request= ing WG adoption. Julien Meuric: New version was only uploaded today, so we must give people = time to read and comment before polling for adoption. Please sen= d comments to the list. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- End of session 16:50. --_000_BY2PR0201MB1910C8F1C959DF028147AE5184350BY2PR0201MB1910_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The draft minutes for the PCE meeting at IETF 98 are= now available.  Thanks to all our scribes!  Please let us know i= f you have any comments or corrections.

https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98/minutes/minutes-9= 8-pce-01

 

Best regards

Jon and Julien

 

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PCE Working Gro= up Meeting

IETF 98 (Chicag= o, IL)

 

Working Group C= hairs:

   &n= bsp; Julien Meuric (julien.meuric@orange.com)

  &nb= sp;  JP Vasseur (jpv@cisco.com)

  &nb= sp;  Jonathan Hardwick (jonathan.hardwick@metaswitch.com)

 

Working Group S= ecretary:

  &nb= sp;  Daniel King (daniel@olddog.co.uk)

 

Responsible AD:=

  &nb= sp;  Deborah Brungard (db3546@att.com)

 

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

 

Session I<= /o:p>

 

Time:

  &nb= sp;  March 27, 2017, 15:20-16:50 (3:20pm-4:50pm)

 

Location:<= /o:p>

  &nb= sp;  Zurich G, Swissotel, Chicago IL, USA

 

With thanks to = all our scribes!

 

---------------= ----------------------------------------------------------------=

 

1. Introduction=

---------------=

 

1.1. Administri= via, Agenda Bashing (chairs, 5 min)

 

-  The ses= sion is being co-chaired by Jon Hardwick and Julien Meuric.

   Un= fortunately, JP was unable to travel to the IETF this time.

-  Agenda = bashing: no agenda changes.

 

 

1.2. WG Status = (chairs, 15 min)

 

Jon Hardwick: S= tateful PCE draft is with the IESG and pending an update; the

  &nb= sp;           authors hav= e promised an update by 1 April (no joke).

Jon Hardwick: L= SP initiation draft is with the IESG and is pending routing

  &nb= sp;           directorate= review before IETF last call can be issued.

Jon Hardwick: I= nter-area/AS applicability draft needs an update before we can

  &nb= sp;           submit it t= o the IESG. Authors are working on it.

Jon Hardwick: P= CEPS draft is now being shepherded by Cyril Margaria; he has

  &nb= sp;           posted some= comments and needs to see a new revision before we

  &nb= sp;           can submit = to othe IESG.

Jon Hardwick: W= SON-RWA draft has been shepherded by Daniele Ceccarelli

  &nb= sp;           (thanks Dan= iele!) and is now blocked on advancing by the base

  &nb= sp;           PCEP-GMPLS = draft.

Jon Hardwick: B= ase PCEP-GMPLS draft is pending a shepherd report from Julien.

Jeff Tantsura: = Segment Routing draft will be updated this week.

Jon Hardwick: I= ANA early allocation for this and LSP-setup type drafts expires<= /span>

  &nb= sp;           in August -= we must publish before then.

Dhruv Dhody: St= ateful P2MP draft can be progressed after the 6006bis draft.

Dhruv Dhody: We= are discussing with association-group authors, to make sure it<= /span>

  &nb= sp;          could be prioriti= zed, as multiple documents depend on it.

Young Lee: The = Stateful PCE GMPLS draft will be revived; Xian has moved on but<= /span>

  &nb= sp;        she will hand the pen to some= one else.

 

 

2. Work in Prog= ress

---------------= ----

 

2.1. PCEP Exten= sion for LSP Diversity (Stephane Litkowski, 5 min)

https://datatra= cker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-association-diversity/

 

No questions.

 

 

2.2. Associatio= n-aware Computation (Stephane Litkowski, 10 min)

https://datatra= cker.ietf.org/doc/draft-litkowski-pce-state-sync/

 

Andrew Dolganow= : Why assume that the last state received is the final state?

  &nb= sp;            =   Message routes through the network may be different.  If

  &nb= sp;            =   sessions are flaping then it may get out of sync.<= /p>

Stephane Litkow= ski: We had an idea to add a timestamp.

Robin Li: In mu= ltiple failure scenarios, this may get out of sync. If the

  &nb= sp;       session between PCC and PCE is brok= en or if PCC is restarted. The

  &nb= sp;       impact on other protocols like netc= onf, BGP needs to be analyzed.

Stephane Litkow= ski: You can not solve all the problems.

Julien Meuric: = Who has read the document?  [Not many except authors]

Julien Meuric: = Please read document and respond to the list.

 

 

2.3. PCE's Cont= rol Request (Chaitanya Yadlapalli, 5 min)

https://datatra= cker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raghu-pce-lsp-control-request/

 

Julien Meuric: = Please do not suggest a specific bit number. This is the role of=

  &nb= sp;            IANA.= Just use TBD in your draft.

Andrew Dolganow= : Can you clarify the need for this, before you ask for a bit.

Chaitanya Yadla= palli: We will try to clarify the use case in the I-D.

Julien Meuric: = Please update the document and reflect changes to the list.

Julien Meuric: = Who has read the document?  [About 12-15]

  &nb= sp;            Who, = of those that read the document, think this is a useful

  &nb= sp;            featu= re? [About the same]

 

 

2.4. Experiment= al Codepoints (Dhruv Dhody, 5 min)

https://datatra= cker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dhody-pce-pcep-exp-codepoints/

 

Andrew Dolganow= : Good work. There will be expected behavior, can you describe

  &nb= sp;            =   how to interpret the experimental bits?

Dhruv Dhody: Ac= tually, I think this is already discussed in the PCEP RFC=

  &nb= sp;          [RFC5440]

Andrew Dolganow= : Can you just clarify this.

Dhruv Dhody: Yu= p

Jon Hardwick: P= oll, who read the I-D? [8]

  &nb= sp;           Who thinks = we need this? [same number]

 

 

2.5. Stateful H= -PCE and ACTN (Dhurv Dhody, 10 min)

https://datatra= cker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dhody-pce-applicability-actn/

https://datatra= cker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dhodylee-pce-stateful-hpce/

 

Michael Scharf:= [Slide 9] You extend PCEP (on MMI and MPI interface) for the VN=

  &nb= sp;            = concept, but it's not clear on the architecture. This is an

  &nb= sp;            = ACTN issue, not directly related to the PCEP WG or PCEP I-D.

Dhruv Dhody: We= will pick this up in the ACTN architecture I-Ds

Jon Hardwick: W= ho read the ACTN applicability document [10]

  &nb= sp;           Who thinks = we need this? [About the same]

 

Jon Hardwick: W= ho has read the stateful H-PCE document [About 15]

  &nb= sp;           Who thinks = we need this? [About the same, a few less]

Jon Hardwick: W= e will confirm on the list.

 

 

3. New I-Ds

-----------

 

3.1. PCE-initia= ted BRPC LSP Setup (Julien Meuric, 10 min)

https://datatra= cker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dugeon-brpc-stateful/

 

Fatai Zhang: In= teresting I-D. Are you trying to use PCEP to create end-to-end

  &nb= sp;          connections acros= s domains, i.e., like RSVP-TE.

Julien Meuric: = Yes.

Fatai Zhang: Ca= n we use these PCEP extensions for other applications?

Julien Meuric: = Yes, segment routing is a use case.

Fatai Zhang: Co= uld you use PCECC?

Julien Meuric: = I think there is some common ground. We should discuss.

Dhruv Dhody: I = like the I-D, I like the SL-label to be generic, so that it can<= /span>

  &nb= sp;          be useful for sta= teful H-PCE as well, and a PCECC-like approach

  &nb= sp;          might be better.<= o:p>

Dhruv Dhody: We= need to investigate the security aspects of stateful BRPC,

  &nb= sp;          where PCE relatio= nship is on the peer level, not client-server.

Julien Meuric: = Agree. Its a -00 version.

 

 

3.2. PCEP Exten= sion for Associated Bidirectional LSPs (Rakesh Gandhi, 10 min)

https://datatra= cker.ietf.org/doc/draft-barth-pce-association-bidir/

 

Jon Hardwick: W= ho thinks this is a good I-D to have? [12]

  &nb= sp;           Good, we wi= ll need to see more dicussion on the list.

 

 

3.3. PCEP Exten= sions for PM Reporting (Rakesh Gandhi, 10 min)

https://datatra= cker.ietf.org/doc/draft-gandhi-pce-pm/

 

Andrew Dolganow= : Capability is useful, but adding telemetry data to PCEP will

  &nb= sp;            =   not scale.  The PCE is responsible for path computation which

  &nb= sp;            =   is already compute intensive.  You can't add real-time

  &nb= sp;            =   telemetry without overloading it.

Rakesh Ghandi: = Motivation is to use the same channel to get LSP state as well

  &nb= sp;            as pe= rformance.

Fatai Zhang: Re= lationship to PCEP-LS is not mentioned in the document.

Jeff Tantsura: = Same concerns as Andrew, do you measure at head-end or per node.=

Rakesh Ghandi: = This is for head-end PCC, and for the LSPs that PCE cares about.=

 

 

4. I-Ds Pending= Further Discussion

4.1. Bandwidth = Scheduling (Yan Zhuang, 5 min)

https://datatra= cker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhuang-pce-stateful-pce-lsp-scheduling/<= /span>

 

Yan Zhuang: The= authors have now produced a merged document and are requesting<= /span>

  &nb= sp;         WG adoption.=

Julien Meuric: = New version was only uploaded today, so we must give people time=

  &nb= sp;            to re= ad and comment before polling for adoption.  Please send

  &nb= sp;            comme= nts to the list.

 

 

---------------= ----------------------------------------------------------------=

 

End of session = 16:50.

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Ple= ase click on the link to see the complete minutes. Jon =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The draft minutes for the PCE meeting at IETF 98 are now available.=A0 Than= ks to all our scribes!=A0 Please let us know if you have any comments or co= rrections. https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98/minutes/minutes-98-pce-01 Best regards Jon and Julien =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D PCE Working Group Meeting IETF 98 (Chicago, IL) Working Group Chairs: =A0 =A0=A0=A0Julien Meuric (julien.meuric@orange.com) =A0=A0=A0=A0 JP Vasseur (jpv@cisco.com) =A0=A0=A0=A0 Jonathan Hardwick (jonathan.hardwick@metaswitch.com) Working Group Secretary: =A0=A0=A0=A0 Daniel King (daniel@olddog.co.uk) Responsible AD: =A0=A0=A0=A0 Deborah Brungard (db3546@att.com) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D Session I Time: =A0=A0=A0=A0 March 27, 2017, 15:20-16:50 (3:20pm-4:50pm) Location: =A0=A0=A0=A0 Zurich G, Swissotel, Chicago IL, USA With thanks to all our scribes! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- 1. Introduction --------------- 1.1. Administrivia, Agenda Bashing (chairs, 5 min) -=A0 The session is being co-chaired by Jon Hardwick and Julien Meuric. =A0=A0 Unfortunately, JP was unable to travel to the IETF this time. -=A0 Agenda bashing: no agenda changes. 1.2. WG Status (chairs, 15 min) Jon Hardwick: Stateful PCE draft is with the IESG and pending an update; th= e =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 authors have promised an update by = 1 April (no joke). Jon Hardwick: LSP initiation draft is with the IESG and is pending routing =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 directorate review before IETF last= call can be issued. Jon Hardwick: Inter-area/AS applicability draft needs an update before we c= an =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 submit it to the IESG. Authors are = working on it. Jon Hardwick: PCEPS draft is now being shepherded by Cyril Margaria; he has =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 posted some comments and needs to s= ee a new revision before we =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 can submit to othe IESG. Jon Hardwick: WSON-RWA draft has been shepherded by Daniele Ceccarelli =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 (thanks Daniele!) and is now blocke= d on advancing by the base =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 PCEP-GMPLS draft. Jon Hardwick: Base PCEP-GMPLS draft is pending a shepherd report from Julie= n. Jeff Tantsura: Segment Routing draft will be updated this week. Jon Hardwick: IANA early allocation for this and LSP-setup type drafts expi= res =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 in August - we must publish before = then. Dhruv Dhody: Stateful P2MP draft can be progressed after the 6006bis draft. Dhruv Dhody: We are discussing with association-group authors, to make sure= it =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 could be prioritized, as multiple docu= ments depend on it. Young Lee: The Stateful PCE GMPLS draft will be revived; Xian has moved on = but =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0she will hand the pen to someone else. 2. Work in Progress ------------------- 2.1. PCEP Extension for LSP Diversity (Stephane Litkowski, 5 min) https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-association-diversity/ No questions. 2.2. Association-aware Computation (Stephane Litkowski, 10 min) https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-litkowski-pce-state-sync/ Andrew Dolganow: Why assume that the last state received is the final state= ? =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Message routes through the= network may be different.=A0 If =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 sessions are flaping then = it may get out of sync. Stephane Litkowski: We had an idea to add a timestamp. Robin Li: In multiple failure scenarios, this may get out of sync. If the =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 session between PCC and PCE is broken or if PCC= is restarted. The =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 impact on other protocols like netconf, BGP nee= ds to be analyzed. Stephane Litkowski: You can not solve all the problems. Julien Meuric: Who has read the document?=A0 [Not many except authors] Julien Meuric: Please read document and respond to the list. 2.3. PCE's Control Request (Chaitanya Yadlapalli, 5 min) https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-raghu-pce-lsp-control-request/ Julien Meuric: Please do not suggest a specific bit number. This is the rol= e of =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 IANA. Just use TBD in your draft= . Andrew Dolganow: Can you clarify the need for this, before you ask for a bi= t. Chaitanya Yadlapalli: We will try to clarify the use case in the I-D. Julien Meuric: Please update the document and reflect changes to the list. Julien Meuric: Who has read the document?=A0 [About 12-15] =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Who, of those that read the docu= ment, think this is a useful =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 feature? [About the same] 2.4. Experimental Codepoints (Dhruv Dhody, 5 min) https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dhody-pce-pcep-exp-codepoints/ Andrew Dolganow: Good work. There will be expected behavior, can you descri= be =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 how to interpret the exper= imental bits? Dhruv Dhody: Actually, I think this is already discussed in the PCEP RFC =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 [RFC5440] Andrew Dolganow: Can you just clarify this. Dhruv Dhody: Yup Jon Hardwick: Poll, who read the I-D? [8] =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Who thinks we need this? [same numb= er] 2.5. Stateful H-PCE and ACTN (Dhurv Dhody, 10 min) https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dhody-pce-applicability-actn/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dhodylee-pce-stateful-hpce/ Michael Scharf: [Slide 9] You extend PCEP (on MMI and MPI interface) for th= e VN =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 concept, but it's not clear o= n the architecture. This is an =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ACTN issue, not directly rela= ted to the PCEP WG or PCEP I-D. Dhruv Dhody: We will pick this up in the ACTN architecture I-Ds Jon Hardwick: Who read the ACTN applicability document [10] =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Who thinks we need this? [About the= same] Jon Hardwick: Who has read the stateful H-PCE document [About 15] =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Who thinks we need this? [About the= same, a few less] Jon Hardwick: We will confirm on the list. 3. New I-Ds ----------- 3.1. PCE-initiated BRPC LSP Setup (Julien Meuric, 10 min) https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dugeon-brpc-stateful/ Fatai Zhang: Interesting I-D. Are you trying to use PCEP to create end-to-e= nd =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 connections across domains, i.e., like= RSVP-TE. Julien Meuric: Yes. Fatai Zhang: Can we use these PCEP extensions for other applications? Julien Meuric: Yes, segment routing is a use case. Fatai Zhang: Could you use PCECC? Julien Meuric: I think there is some common ground. We should discuss. Dhruv Dhody: I like the I-D, I like the SL-label to be generic, so that it = can =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 be useful for stateful H-PCE as well, = and a PCECC-like approach =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 might be better. Dhruv Dhody: We need to investigate the security aspects of stateful BRPC, =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 where PCE relationship is on the peer = level, not client-server. Julien Meuric: Agree. Its a -00 version. 3.2. PCEP Extension for Associated Bidirectional LSPs (Rakesh Gandhi, 10 mi= n) https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-barth-pce-association-bidir/ Jon Hardwick: Who thinks this is a good I-D to have? [12] =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Good, we will need to see more dicu= ssion on the list. 3.3. PCEP Extensions for PM Reporting (Rakesh Gandhi, 10 min) https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-gandhi-pce-pm/ Andrew Dolganow: Capability is useful, but adding telemetry data to PCEP wi= ll =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 not scale.=A0 The PCE is r= esponsible for path computation which =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 is already compute intensi= ve.=A0 You can't add real-time =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 telemetry without overload= ing it. Rakesh Ghandi: Motivation is to use the same channel to get LSP state as we= ll =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 as performance. Fatai Zhang: Relationship to PCEP-LS is not mentioned in the document. Jeff Tantsura: Same concerns as Andrew, do you measure at head-end or per n= ode. Rakesh Ghandi: This is for head-end PCC, and for the LSPs that PCE cares ab= out. 4. I-Ds Pending Further Discussion 4.1. Bandwidth Scheduling (Yan Zhuang, 5 min) https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhuang-pce-stateful-pce-lsp-scheduli= ng/ Yan Zhuang: The authors have now produced a merged document and are request= ing =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 WG adoption. Julien Meuric: New version was only uploaded today, so we must give people = time =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 to read and comment before polli= ng for adoption.=A0 Please send =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 comments to the list. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- End of session 16:50. 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone, thanks for the useful and productive meeting. I've uploaded the slides in the CCAMP page as well as the minutes (thanks t= o Andy for putting them together) https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/98/session/ccamp The recordings can be found at the following link http://recs.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/watch.jsp?recording=3DIETF98_CCAMP_Fl= exE&chapter=3Dchapter_1 Thanks Daniele & Nic From: Daniele Ceccarelli Sent: marted=EC 28 marzo 2017 12:10 To: Daniele Ceccarelli ; pce@ietf.org; TEA= S WG ; routing-discussion@ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org; ccamp@iet= f.org Cc: Ignas Bagdonas ; draft-izh-ccamp-flexe-fwk@ietf.org= ; N.Leymann@telekom.de Subject: RE: [CCAMP] FlexE side meeting ...and the agenda >> The agenda will be: >> >> 1. FlexE background and origins: Haomian Zheng >> 2. FlexE Technology Deep Dive: Iftekhar Hussain >> 3. FlexE in the IETF: Mach Chen >> 4. Open Mic From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli Sent: marted=EC 28 marzo 2017 12:00 To: pce@ietf.org; TEAS WG >; routing-discussion@ietf.org;= mpls@ietf.org; ccamp@ietf.org Cc: Ignas Bagdonas >; draft-i= zh-ccamp-flexe-fwk@ietf.org; N.L= eymann@telekom.de Subject: [CCAMP] FlexE side meeting Hi everyone, a reminder for the FlexE side meeting and the link to Meetecho: When: Tuesday 18:45-20:15 Room: Zurich B Remote participation - Meetecho: http://www.meetecho.com/ietf98/CCAMP-FlexE BR Daniele, Nic, Loa --_000_AM2PR07MB09940C2242BF984060E67A2AF0350AM2PR07MB0994eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi everyone,

 

thanks for the useful and produ= ctive meeting.

 

I’ve uploaded the slides = in the CCAMP page as well as the minutes (thanks to Andy for putting them t= ogether)

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/98/= session/ccamp

 

The recordings can be found at = the following link

http://recs.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/watch.jsp?recording=3DIETF98= _CCAMP_FlexE&chapter=3Dchapter_1

 

Thanks

Daniele & Nic

 

From: Daniele Ceccarelli
Sent: marted=EC 28 marzo 2017 12:10
To: Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>; pce@= ietf.org; TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>; routing-discussion@ietf.org; mpls@= ietf.org; ccamp@ietf.org
Cc: Ignas Bagdonas <ibagdona@gmail.com>; draft-izh-ccamp-flexe= -fwk@ietf.org; N.Leymann@telekom.de
Subject: RE: [CCAMP] FlexE side meeting

 

…and the agenda

 

>> The agenda will be:

>> 

>> 1. FlexE background and origins: Haomian Zheng<= /p>

>> 2. FlexE Technology Deep Dive:   Iftekhar Hussain<= /o:p>

>> 3. FlexE in the IETF:       &n= bsp;    Mach Chen

>> 4. Open Mic=

 

 

From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli
Sent: marted=EC 28 marzo 2017 12:00
To: pce@ietf.org; TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>; routing-discussion@ietf.org<= /a>; mpls@ietf.org; ccamp@ietf.org
Cc: Ignas Bagdonas <ibagdon= a@gmail.com>; draft-izh-ccamp-flexe= -fwk@ietf.org; N.Leymann@telekom.de
Subject: [CCAMP] FlexE side meeting

 

Hi everyone,=

 

a = reminder for the FlexE side meeting and the link to Meetecho:

 

Wh= en: Tuesday 18:45-20:15

Ro= om: Zurich B

Re= mote participation - Meetecho: http://www.meetecho.= com/ietf98/CCAMP-FlexE

 

BR=
Daniele, Nic, Loa

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