From lars.eggert@nokia.com Thu Feb 17 05:39:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E32F3A6CCE for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 05:39:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.173 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.173 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.426, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zIP1LnzRNmlw for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 05:39:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgw-da01.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [147.243.128.24]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 517E03A6C8B for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 05:39:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (esdhcp030222.research.nokia.com [172.21.30.222]) by mgw-da01.nokia.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id p1HDdeAU013078 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:39:41 +0200 From: Lars Eggert X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.5 at fit.nokia.com Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-72--332286197; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:39:37 +0200 Message-Id: <46332DB2-7846-4C46-952F-CA8C351CA91B@nokia.com> To: pcn@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (mail.fit.nokia.com); Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:39:37 +0200 (EET) X-Nokia-AV: Clean Subject: [PCN] WG energy X-BeenThere: pcn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: PCN WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 13:39:13 -0000 --Apple-Mail-72--332286197 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, David is on vacation, so let me step in as AD for the moment. I'm getting concerned with the slower and slower progress of your work = items, to the point where I begin to question whether the WG has the = energy left to complete the chartered work in a reasonable amount of = time. Please get the ball rolling again. We'd much prefer to close the WG = after the work items are published. 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-0800 (PST) Received: from ewi977 (ewi977.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.12.129]) by denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id p1HDoWqm017104; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 14:50:35 +0100 (MET) From: "Georgios Karagiannis" To: "'Lars Eggert'" , References: <46332DB2-7846-4C46-952F-CA8C351CA91B@nokia.com> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 14:50:29 +0100 Message-ID: <62E9452E20094DC3BD6FFC7444F6D89F@dynamic.ewi.utwente.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Thread-Index: AcvOqCwbpueRWWR5RnKmQCTd1ocD3QAASYLw In-Reply-To: <46332DB2-7846-4C46-952F-CA8C351CA91B@nokia.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 130.89.10.11 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0rc3 (denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.10.11]); Thu, 17 Feb 2011 14:50:46 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: [PCN] WG energy X-BeenThere: pcn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: PCN WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 13:50:22 -0000 Hi Lars We are working on updating the signaling draft and the pcn encoding comparison draft! They will be submitted before the deadline associated with the IETF in Prague! Please note that I will come to the IETF in Prague! Best regards, Georgios > -----Original Message----- > From: pcn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pcn-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Lars Eggert > Sent: donderdag 17 februari 2011 14:40 > To: pcn@ietf.org > Subject: [PCN] WG energy > > Hi, > > David is on vacation, so let me step in as AD for the moment. > > I'm getting concerned with the slower and slower progress of > your work items, to the point where I begin to question > whether the WG has the energy left to complete the chartered > work in a reasonable amount of time. > > Please get the ball rolling again. We'd much prefer to close > the WG after the work items are published. > > Thanks, > Lars > From lars.eggert@nokia.com Thu Feb 17 06:01:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 859EF3A6E10 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 06:01:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.185 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.185 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.414, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jsT7dpQ4wi+v for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 06:01:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgw-da01.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [147.243.128.24]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F0433A6DFE for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 06:01:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (esdhcp030222.research.nokia.com [172.21.30.222]) by mgw-da01.nokia.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id p1HE24ph007137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:02:06 +0200 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.5 at fit.nokia.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-74--330945478; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Lars Eggert In-Reply-To: <62E9452E20094DC3BD6FFC7444F6D89F@dynamic.ewi.utwente.nl> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:01:57 +0200 Message-Id: <7EF0F22B-B9C3-4D1C-8EA9-4E765246580A@nokia.com> References: <46332DB2-7846-4C46-952F-CA8C351CA91B@nokia.com> <62E9452E20094DC3BD6FFC7444F6D89F@dynamic.ewi.utwente.nl> To: Georgios Karagiannis X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (mail.fit.nokia.com); Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:01:58 +0200 (EET) X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: pcn@ietf.org Subject: Re: [PCN] WG energy X-BeenThere: pcn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: PCN WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 14:01:48 -0000 --Apple-Mail-74--330945478 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, On 2011-2-17, at 15:50, Georgios Karagiannis wrote: > We are working on updating the signaling draft and the pcn encoding > comparison draft! > They will be submitted before the deadline associated with the IETF in > Prague! good to know, thanks. (But I note that PCN isn't meeting in Prague and that IDs can be = submitted at any time... This goes for all authors, btw.) 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; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 10:05:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C597952F8 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:06:26 +0100 (MET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-tuebingen.de Received: from mx3.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx3.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XCy7dCo5kCAk for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:06:24 +0100 (MET) Received: from zcs-bs.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (zcs-bs.Informatik.Uni-Tuebingen.De [134.2.12.62]) by mx3.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25F46528B for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:06:23 +0100 (MET) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (HSI-KBW-095-208-114-108.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de [95.208.114.108]) by zcs-bs.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C9A15511AE for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:06:23 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D5D63A0.1060801@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:06:24 +0100 From: Michael Menth User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pcn@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [PCN] PCN meeting in Prague? X-BeenThere: pcn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: PCN WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:06:00 -0000 Hi all, I just learned occasionally from Lars' email that PCN isn't meeting in Prague. Really? I've not heard about that before. I'll be there and would like to meet. I think we should meet if sufficiently many people are there anyway, discuss remaining issues and fix them. BTW, what are the open points? I'm not aware of them. What's the state of the docs and what needs to be done? Best wishes, Michael -- Prof. Dr. habil. Michael Menth University of Tuebingen Faculty of Science Department of Computer Science Chair of Communication Networks Sand 13, 72076 Tuebingen, Germany phone: (+49)-7071/29-70505 fax: (+49)-7071/29-5220 mailto:menth@uni-tuebingen.de http://www-kn.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de From philip.eardley@bt.com Thu Feb 17 10:12:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B4203A6DA0 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 10:12:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.739 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.739 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.307, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gcMN1NZlL44E for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 10:12:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpe1.intersmtp.com (smtp62.intersmtp.COM [62.239.224.235]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F01BF3A6D60 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 10:12:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from EVMHT68-UKRD.domain1.systemhost.net (10.36.3.105) by RDW083A006ED62.smtp-e2.hygiene.service (10.187.98.11) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.106.1; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:12:46 +0000 Received: from EMV65-UKRD.domain1.systemhost.net ([169.254.1.86]) by EVMHT68-UKRD.domain1.systemhost.net ([10.36.3.105]) with mapi; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:12:46 +0000 From: To: , Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:12:45 +0000 Thread-Topic: [PCN] PCN meeting in Prague? Thread-Index: AcvOzW5ptydVmD8ZQVW9ksv0rcyisQAACP5A Message-ID: <9510D26531EF184D9017DF24659BB87F3279CF852D@EMV65-UKRD.domain1.systemhost.net> References: <4D5D63A0.1060801@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> In-Reply-To: <4D5D63A0.1060801@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [PCN] PCN meeting in Prague? X-BeenThere: pcn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: PCN WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:12:17 -0000 Would be excellent to meet in prague (i think i'm going) and discuss how to= fix any issues=20 I believe the status is something like: 3-in-1 encoding Needs decision about whether standards or experimental, otherwise done i th= ink. =09 Edge behaviours (CL & SM) David H sent a 2nd batch of comments just before Christmas. I guess these n= eed to be worked in. Encoding comparison Done i think, except for a few minor changes now that bob's tunnelling draf= t is an rfc, and to reflect that only the 3-in-1 encoding is still live.=20 Signalling requirements i put in quite a lot of comments some time ago. I guess these need to be wo= rked in - sadly i don't have time to do the work, sorry/=20 phil -----Original Message----- From: pcn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pcn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Micha= el Menth Sent: 17 February 2011 18:06 To: pcn@ietf.org Subject: [PCN] PCN meeting in Prague? Hi all, I just learned occasionally from Lars' email that PCN isn't meeting in=20 Prague. Really? I've not heard about that before. I'll be there and would like to meet. I think we should meet if=20 sufficiently many people are there anyway, discuss remaining issues and=20 fix them. BTW, what are the open points? I'm not aware of them. What's=20 the state of the docs and what needs to be done? Best wishes, Michael --=20 Prof. Dr. habil. Michael Menth University of Tuebingen Faculty of Science Department of Computer Science Chair of Communication Networks Sand 13, 72076 Tuebingen, Germany phone: (+49)-7071/29-70505 fax: (+49)-7071/29-5220 mailto:menth@uni-tuebingen.de http://www-kn.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de _______________________________________________ PCN mailing list PCN@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pcn From tom111.taylor@bell.net Thu Feb 17 11:24:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 103F63A6DE3 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 11:24:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.796 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.796 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.803, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Nd0pF1X48QHy for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 11:24:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from blu0-omc1-s31.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc1-s31.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.42]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 578DB3A6AAE for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 11:24:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from BLU0-SMTP92 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s31.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 17 Feb 2011 11:24:31 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [174.94.11.167] X-Originating-Email: [tom111.taylor@bell.net] Message-ID: Received: from [192.168.2.17] ([174.94.11.167]) by BLU0-SMTP92.blu0.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 17 Feb 2011 11:24:31 -0800 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 14:24:31 -0500 From: Tom Taylor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pcn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Feb 2011 19:24:31.0376 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D34E100:01CBCED8] Subject: [PCN] Edge behaviour drafts X-BeenThere: pcn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: PCN WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:24:01 -0000 I kind of burned out through a combination of things over the last couple of months. I'm starting to get my energy back, so I should be able to get moving on the edge behaviour drafts again. Some of what David is asking for is beyond my expertise, so I'll be be submitting the updates with "Text required" editor's notes. Tom Taylor From lars.eggert@nokia.com Thu Feb 17 12:14:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27A013A6EA3 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 12:14:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.691 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.691 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.092, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YZ5g7jF7brZx for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 12:14:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgw-da02.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [147.243.128.26]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 541B63A6A00 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2011 12:14:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (esdhcp030222.research.nokia.com [172.21.30.222]) by mgw-da02.nokia.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id p1HKFBBB000524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Feb 2011 22:15:12 +0200 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.5 at fit.nokia.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-84--308555063; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Lars Eggert In-Reply-To: <4D5D63A0.1060801@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 22:15:08 +0200 Message-Id: References: <4D5D63A0.1060801@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> To: Michael Menth X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (mail.fit.nokia.com); Thu, 17 Feb 2011 22:15:09 +0200 (EET) X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: pcn@ietf.org Subject: Re: [PCN] PCN meeting in Prague? X-BeenThere: pcn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: PCN WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 20:14:43 -0000 --Apple-Mail-84--308555063 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 2011-2-17, at 20:06, Michael Menth wrote: > I just learned occasionally from Lars' email that PCN isn't meeting in = Prague. Really? I've not heard about that before. The deadline to request slots was Monday, and (I think) I did not see a = request. 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TobysHP (host81-158-50-164.range81-158.btcentralplus.com [81.158.50.164]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LnX10-1QHQE11u7K-00hbGL; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:43:55 +0100 From: "Toby Moncaster" To: "'Lars Eggert'" , "'Michael Menth'" References: <4D5D63A0.1060801@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:43:54 -0000 Message-ID: <000f01cbcf50$5be24580$13a6d080$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 thread-index: AcvO32UisDr5GcUvSFumJzY8qkYK6gAcDB3Q Content-Language: en-gb X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:YcYP9+pBA5H3Tmd6yoj6GDzf1bBIFV5rHnDW7M2X0o4 tzHaJoa149qnw3bD7+H8pzwy7kJgcDaWYtgjqFX/LHN7VLlVPa rOCRDgXteP26rcJ/dx8VhNm2m9NCzYAL7UZe/80OOmDKRkFZkQ F6G3rGIRYVsFOG8UEptGwDzgahe/J2WTC7WqSEEjmyUOYHvydB +ESA1htH5j5Fp/SB3kAST8fdJ13INReNwn7rSVs95c= Cc: pcn@ietf.org Subject: Re: [PCN] PCN meeting in Prague? X-BeenThere: pcn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: PCN WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:43:28 -0000 It would have been nice if the WG had been consulted as to whether they wanted a meeting in Prague or not... As far as I am aware it is up to WG chairs to establish whether there is a need for a meeting and to act accordingly? Over half the energy in PCN is in Europe and so not having a meeting seems unfortunate, especially since there was no meeting in Beijing. Toby > -----Original Message----- > From: pcn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pcn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Lars Eggert > Sent: 17 February 2011 20:15 > To: Michael Menth > Cc: pcn@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [PCN] PCN meeting in Prague? > > On 2011-2-17, at 20:06, Michael Menth wrote: > > I just learned occasionally from Lars' email that PCN isn't meeting > in Prague. Really? I've not heard about that before. > > The deadline to request slots was Monday, and (I think) I did not see a > request. > > Lars From menth@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de Fri Feb 18 01:47:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A25613A6F1B for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:47:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.801 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, HELO_MISMATCH_DE=1.448] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8XI5FqSw8Aes for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:47:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx3.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (mx3.Informatik.Uni-Tuebingen.De [134.2.12.26]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id BD3103A6F03 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 01:47:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx3.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7F7352C7; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:48:23 +0100 (MET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-tuebingen.de Received: from mx3.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx3.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MurFIgctlcwY; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:48:21 +0100 (MET) Received: from zcs-pu.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (zcs-pu.Informatik.Uni-Tuebingen.De [134.2.12.61]) by mx3.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9279D5260; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:48:21 +0100 (MET) Received: from [134.2.11.131] (chaos.Informatik.Uni-Tuebingen.De [134.2.11.131]) by zcs-pu.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DBAFE17F1D; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:48:21 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D5E4067.1040100@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:48:23 +0100 From: Michael Menth User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Toby Moncaster References: <4D5D63A0.1060801@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> <000f01cbcf50$5be24580$13a6d080$@com> In-Reply-To: <000f01cbcf50$5be24580$13a6d080$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: pcn@ietf.org Subject: Re: [PCN] PCN meeting in Prague? X-BeenThere: pcn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: PCN WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:47:56 -0000 ... and there was no meeting in Maastricht before, so we had no official meeting for at least one year. Michael Am 18.02.2011 10:43, schrieb Toby Moncaster: > It would have been nice if the WG had been consulted as to whether they > wanted a meeting in Prague or not... As far as I am aware it is up to WG > chairs to establish whether there is a need for a meeting and to act > accordingly? > > Over half the energy in PCN is in Europe and so not having a meeting seems > unfortunate, especially since there was no meeting in Beijing. > > Toby > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pcn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pcn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of >> Lars Eggert >> Sent: 17 February 2011 20:15 >> To: Michael Menth >> Cc: pcn@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [PCN] PCN meeting in Prague? >> >> On 2011-2-17, at 20:06, Michael Menth wrote: >>> I just learned occasionally from Lars' email that PCN isn't meeting >> in Prague. Really? I've not heard about that before. >> >> The deadline to request slots was Monday, and (I think) I did not see a >> request. >> >> Lars -- Prof. Dr. habil. Michael Menth University of Tuebingen Faculty of Science Department of Computer Science Chair of Communication Networks Sand 13, 72076 Tuebingen, Germany phone: (+49)-7071/29-70505 fax: (+49)-7071/29-5220 mailto:menth@uni-tuebingen.de http://www-kn.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de From lars.eggert@nokia.com Fri Feb 18 02:34:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FC4F3A6E81 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 02:34:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.689 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.689 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.090, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j12l7CkzM4OD for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 02:34:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgw-da02.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [147.243.128.26]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3E473A6DEC for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 02:34:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (esdhcp030222.research.nokia.com [172.21.30.222]) by mgw-da02.nokia.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id p1IAZDa8029109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:35:14 +0200 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.5 at fit.nokia.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-89--256961691; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Lars Eggert In-Reply-To: <000f01cbcf50$5be24580$13a6d080$@com> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:35:01 +0200 Message-Id: <8C59C583-FD0F-4C3B-8B67-D7555781DD1B@nokia.com> References: <4D5D63A0.1060801@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> <000f01cbcf50$5be24580$13a6d080$@com> To: Toby Moncaster X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (mail.fit.nokia.com); Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:35:07 +0200 (EET) X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: pcn@ietf.org Subject: Re: [PCN] PCN meeting in Prague? X-BeenThere: pcn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: PCN WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:34:43 -0000 --Apple-Mail-89--256961691 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, On 2011-2-18, at 11:43, Toby Moncaster wrote: > It would have been nice if the WG had been consulted as to whether = they > wanted a meeting in Prague or not... As far as I am aware it is up to = WG > chairs to establish whether there is a need for a meeting and to act > accordingly? yes. If the chairs tell me that they want a slot, I'll try my best with the = secretariat to make that happen. (But so far I haven't heard from them.) 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-0800 (PST) Received: from ewi977 (ewi977.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.12.129]) by denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id p1IBFoq4010971; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:15:53 +0100 (MET) From: "Georgios Karagiannis" To: "'Michael Menth'" , "'Toby Moncaster'" References: <4D5D63A0.1060801@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de><000f01cbcf50$5be24580$13a6d080$@com> <4D5E4067.1040100@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:16:11 +0100 Message-ID: <5B8519464F3C491CA9FCBF6686D53166@dynamic.ewi.utwente.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcvPURffnx6rYDquStOyaZsy0QxDKgADBXMg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 In-Reply-To: <4D5E4067.1040100@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 130.89.10.11 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0rc3 (denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.10.11]); Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:16:02 +0100 (MET) Cc: pcn@ietf.org Subject: Re: [PCN] PCN meeting in Prague? X-BeenThere: pcn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: PCN WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 11:15:33 -0000 Dear all I am also in favour of having a PCN meeting in Prague! Best regards, Georgios > -----Original Message----- > From: pcn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pcn-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Michael Menth > Sent: vrijdag 18 februari 2011 10:48 > To: Toby Moncaster > Cc: pcn@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [PCN] PCN meeting in Prague? > > ... and there was no meeting in Maastricht before, so we had > no official meeting for at least one year. > > Michael > > Am 18.02.2011 10:43, schrieb Toby Moncaster: > > It would have been nice if the WG had been consulted as to whether > > they wanted a meeting in Prague or not... As far as I am > aware it is > > up to WG chairs to establish whether there is a need for a > meeting and > > to act accordingly? > > > > Over half the energy in PCN is in Europe and so not having > a meeting > > seems unfortunate, especially since there was no meeting in Beijing. > > > > Toby > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: pcn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pcn-bounces@ietf.org] > On Behalf Of > >> Lars Eggert > >> Sent: 17 February 2011 20:15 > >> To: Michael Menth > >> Cc: pcn@ietf.org > >> Subject: Re: [PCN] PCN meeting in Prague? > >> > >> On 2011-2-17, at 20:06, Michael Menth wrote: > >>> I just learned occasionally from Lars' email that PCN > isn't meeting > >> in Prague. Really? I've not heard about that before. > >> > >> The deadline to request slots was Monday, and (I think) I > did not see > >> a request. > >> > >> Lars > > -- > Prof. Dr. habil. Michael Menth > University of Tuebingen > Faculty of Science > Department of Computer Science > Chair of Communication Networks > Sand 13, 72076 Tuebingen, Germany > phone: (+49)-7071/29-70505 > fax: (+49)-7071/29-5220 > mailto:menth@uni-tuebingen.de > http://www-kn.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de > > _______________________________________________ > PCN mailing list > PCN@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pcn > From sob@harvard.edu Fri Feb 18 06:40:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96FC83A6DC6 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 06:40:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.478 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.478 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.121, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0wbHcAw4XtQ4 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 06:40:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from newdev.eecs.harvard.edu (newdev.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.60.212]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD7953A6CAC for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 06:40:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by newdev.eecs.harvard.edu (Postfix, from userid 501) id ACD8E8728D0; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:40:40 -0500 (EST) To: pcn@ietf.org Message-Id: <20110218144040.ACD8E8728D0@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:40:40 -0500 (EST) From: sob@harvard.edu (Scott O. Bradner) Subject: [PCN] PCN meeting in Prague? X-BeenThere: pcn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: PCN WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:40:08 -0000 ther ehad been so little activity on the list and so little response to a call for slots last time that I did not think there was enough energy for a session in Prague - but if folks think there is enough to talk about and Lars can fight successfuly for a room & time lets do it so please use the list to figure out an agenda Scott From lars.eggert@nokia.com Fri Feb 18 06:45:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27AD13A6F9B for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 06:45:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.412, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BEkg5x05kmQJ for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 06:45:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgw-da01.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [147.243.128.24]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68BF63A6DBC for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 06:45:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (esdhcp030222.research.nokia.com [172.21.30.222]) by mgw-da01.nokia.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id p1IEkLHv012724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:46:23 +0200 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.5 at fit.nokia.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-105--241897434; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Lars Eggert In-Reply-To: <20110218144040.ACD8E8728D0@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:46:05 +0200 Message-Id: References: <20110218144040.ACD8E8728D0@newdev.eecs.harvard.edu> To: "Scott O. Bradner" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (mail.fit.nokia.com); Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:46:11 +0200 (EET) X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: pcn@ietf.org Subject: Re: [PCN] PCN meeting in Prague? X-BeenThere: pcn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: PCN WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:45:55 -0000 --Apple-Mail-105--241897434 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, On 2011-2-18, at 16:40, Scott O. Bradner wrote: > but if folks think there is enough to talk about and > Lars can fight successfuly for a room & time lets do it Scott, can you put in a room request with the secretariat tool? Everyone: since the request is late, there is a higher-than-normal = chance that the meeting will be on Friday. Please plan your travel = accordingly. 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Eardley: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your RFC entitled "Pre-Congestion Notification (PCN) Architecture" (RFC5559) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2011-02-21 and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1496/). The title of the IPR disclosure is "Telefonaktiebolaget LM Ericsson (publ)'s Statement about IPR related to RFC 5559." The IETF Secretariat From karagian@cs.utwente.nl Wed Feb 23 01:54:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C5AF3A69CA for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 01:54:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.504 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.504 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qmnHY9gvck6J for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 01:54:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl (denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.10.11]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C6CE3A67F2 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 01:54:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from ewi977 (ewi977.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.12.129]) by denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id p1N9snjq025596; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:54:52 +0100 (MET) From: "Georgios Karagiannis" To: References: <20110222155159.8A02B3A6892@core3.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:54:46 +0100 Message-ID: <65C7AD3731364375A43AA7A9573701BC@dynamic.ewi.utwente.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 In-Reply-To: <20110222155159.8A02B3A6892@core3.amsl.com> Thread-Index: AcvSqk5KQrApDSsNQYStmP6mM5UOqAAlJl1w X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 130.89.10.11 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0rc3 (denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.10.11]); Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:55:00 +0100 (MET) Cc: pcn@ietf.org Subject: Re: [PCN] IPR Disclosure: Telefonaktiebolaget LM Ericsson (publ)'sStatement about IPR related to RFC 5559 X-BeenThere: pcn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: PCN WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:54:17 -0000 Hi all This is a strange IPR disclosure. Please note that I was not involved in any way on making or writing this IPR! Best regards, Georgios > -----Original Message----- > From: pcn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pcn-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of IETF Secretariat > Sent: dinsdag 22 februari 2011 16:52 > To: philip.eardley@bt.com > Cc: housley@vigilsec.com; pcn@ietf.org; ipr-announce@ietf.org > Subject: [PCN] IPR Disclosure: Telefonaktiebolaget LM > Ericsson (publ)'sStatement about IPR related to RFC 5559 > > Dear Philip Eardley: > > An IPR disclosure that pertains to your RFC entitled > "Pre-Congestion Notification (PCN) Architecture" (RFC5559) > was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2011-02-21 and has > been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights > Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1496/). The > title of the IPR disclosure is "Telefonaktiebolaget LM > Ericsson (publ)'s Statement about IPR related to RFC 5559." > > The IETF Secretariat > > > _______________________________________________ > PCN mailing list > PCN@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pcn > From Ruediger.Geib@telekom.de Thu Feb 24 07:27:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6E723A68E3 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 07:27:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wKgGbeavGqJi for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 07:27:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from tcmail73.telekom.de (tcmail73.telekom.de [217.243.239.135]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56FAE3A68D5 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 07:27:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from he110889.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([10.134.92.130]) by tcmail71.telekom.de with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 24 Feb 2011 16:27:54 +0100 Received: from HE111648.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([169.254.5.253]) by HE110889.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([fe80::841f:f92c:15ca:8526%16]) with mapi; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:27:41 +0100 From: To: Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:27:40 +0100 Thread-Topic: IPR Disclosure: LM Ericsson IPR related to RFC 5559 Thread-Index: AcvSqk4ywb6b6uJRRWyBura/6GvhgQBiyDVA Message-ID: <580BEA5E3B99744AB1F5BFF5E9A3C67D016E16FD5E@HE111648.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> References: <20110222155159.8A02B3A6892@core3.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20110222155159.8A02B3A6892@core3.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US, de-DE Content-Language: de-DE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, de-DE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: pcn@ietf.org Subject: [PCN] IPR Disclosure: LM Ericsson IPR related to RFC 5559 X-BeenThere: pcn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: PCN WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:27:13 -0000 Phil, I've had a brief glance on it. The patent claims are about mechanisms simil= ar to PCN and Conex (congestion marks, though seemingly excess marking only, two thresholds, co= ngestion feedback and traffic reduction and monitoring). The patent was filed in November 2006. I've checked my personal 2006 records and found that draft-briscoe-tsvwg-cl= -architecture-04.txt was published on 25. October 2006, meaning there have been earlier publishe= d versions with Bob's ideas. The patent is linked to Ericssons RMD, which saw some publications in 2002. Regards, Ruediger -----Original Message----- From: pcn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pcn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of IETF = Secretariat Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 4:52 PM To: philip.eardley@bt.com Cc: housley@vigilsec.com; pcn@ietf.org; ipr-announce@ietf.org Subject: [PCN] IPR Disclosure: Telefonaktiebolaget LM Ericsson (publ)'s Sta= tement about IPR related to RFC 5559 Dear Philip Eardley: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your RFC entitled "Pre-Congestion Notification (PCN) Architecture" (RFC5559) was submitted to the IETF Secret= ariat on 2011-02-21 and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Propert= y Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1496/). The title of = the IPR disclosure is "Telefonaktiebolaget LM Ericsson (publ)'s Statement about= IPR related to RFC 5559." The IETF Secretariat _______________________________________________ PCN mailing list PCN@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pcn From jmpolk@cisco.com Thu Feb 24 11:31:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 196823A6807 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:31:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.577 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.577 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.022, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TU6xAGmoVWwP for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:31:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com (sj-iport-4.cisco.com [171.68.10.86]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 418D83A6802 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:31:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=jmpolk@cisco.com; l=1966; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1298575922; x=1299785522; h=message-id:date:to:from:subject:cc:in-reply-to: references:mime-version; bh=kRjw8p1jNcT96I/utOzVxFQnS1Wgta6C682zpBWCcWQ=; b=PDeE4EG0lRJMHoneV52o0bMIV4jFVcxfrzo3wbzh5eJv4mTv8udOMMzG jjZtwJe23o7nKUWyvoTwZFLe0w0AvvLI5ldiD/h0dojiih7m05sanNDVr 4L7IhX5u3m2zwTr52C5xjhmmNLhKxpVzc2O+f+0TsTLwZm4hiHTnNNpZN Q=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvwAADtBZk2rR7Hu/2dsb2JhbACXXI5Uc6IfnAKFYASFEA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.62,219,1297036800"; d="scan'208";a="265019186" Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com ([171.71.177.238]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 24 Feb 2011 19:31:53 +0000 Received: from jmpolk-wxp01.cisco.com (rcdn-jmpolk-8711.cisco.com [10.99.80.18]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p1OJVqj4006144; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:31:52 GMT Message-Id: <201102241931.p1OJVqj4006144@sj-core-5.cisco.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:31:51 -0600 To: , From: "James M. Polk" In-Reply-To: <580BEA5E3B99744AB1F5BFF5E9A3C67D016E16FD5E@HE111648.emea1. cds.t-internal.com> References: <20110222155159.8A02B3A6892@core3.amsl.com> <580BEA5E3B99744AB1F5BFF5E9A3C67D016E16FD5E@HE111648.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: pcn@ietf.org Subject: Re: [PCN] IPR Disclosure: LM Ericsson IPR related to RFC 5559 X-BeenThere: pcn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: PCN WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:31:14 -0000 Indeed - this topic with supporting documents were submitted well before November 2006 in TSVWG, so I don't understand the basis for Ericsson's claims here. James At 09:27 AM 2/24/2011, Ruediger.Geib@telekom.de wrote: >Phil, > >I've had a brief glance on it. The patent claims are about >mechanisms similar to PCN and Conex >(congestion marks, though seemingly excess marking only, two >thresholds, congestion feedback >and traffic reduction and monitoring). > >The patent was filed in November 2006. > >I've checked my personal 2006 records and found that >draft-briscoe-tsvwg-cl-architecture-04.txt >was published on 25. October 2006, meaning there have been earlier >published versions with >Bob's ideas. > >The patent is linked to Ericssons RMD, which saw some publications in 2002. > >Regards, > >Ruediger > >-----Original Message----- >From: pcn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pcn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf >Of IETF Secretariat >Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 4:52 PM >To: philip.eardley@bt.com >Cc: housley@vigilsec.com; pcn@ietf.org; ipr-announce@ietf.org >Subject: [PCN] IPR Disclosure: Telefonaktiebolaget LM Ericsson >(publ)'s Statement about IPR related to RFC 5559 > >Dear Philip Eardley: > >An IPR disclosure that pertains to your RFC entitled "Pre-Congestion >Notification (PCN) Architecture" (RFC5559) was submitted to the IETF >Secretariat >on 2011-02-21 and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property >Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1496/). The title of the >IPR disclosure is "Telefonaktiebolaget LM Ericsson (publ)'s >Statement about IPR >related to RFC 5559." > >The IETF Secretariat > > >_______________________________________________ >PCN mailing list >PCN@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pcn >_______________________________________________ >PCN mailing list >PCN@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pcn From toby@moncaster.com Fri Feb 25 01:33:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 418953A67E7 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:33:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.050, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LMUJn6HUznKh for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:33:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33643A67CF for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:33:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from TobysHP (host81-158-50-164.range81-158.btcentralplus.com [81.158.50.164]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M2HkO-1Q9SyJ2ks8-00sUos; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:34:00 +0100 From: "Toby Moncaster" To: "'James M. Polk'" , , References: <20110222155159.8A02B3A6892@core3.amsl.com> <580BEA5E3B99744AB1F5BFF5E9A3C67D016E16FD5E@HE111648.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <201102241931.p1OJVqj4006144@sj-core-5.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <201102241931.p1OJVqj4006144@sj-core-5.cisco.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:34:01 -0000 Message-ID: <003501cbd4cf$22ebab20$68c30160$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcvUWYbdcWSgo7uVSieJl7c1zVHNggAdN18Q Content-Language: en-gb X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:STEEw6+s7kLcjcK29gsI6ABI5Lty0ruauTekAVQSKpw 2bYMpVNrn/6FBb7pceDub+nTdG+LopJdyH55H+KV2mOVx6Iqc5 QTubS4Uh6ue9lxu282hJ/VKgbRNausyGSAQDVSq4vYcsk1Rjkh C5OQSxcU3Mf4KCj5o6/RJ/4nuRDURWCqovcgo+OolkUi2t7mXu h1hk3m/PbtAT74FUbVQchXXUkvHMSRK+eh0kMSU42o= Cc: pcn@ietf.org Subject: Re: [PCN] IPR Disclosure: LM Ericsson IPR related to RFC 5559 X-BeenThere: pcn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: PCN WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:33:10 -0000 I certainly couldn't see anything in this that was novel... One can only presume they are trying to pull a fast one. It seems extremely worrying that it has been granted already... Suggest the patent examiners at the European Patent Office weren't up to their usual high standards. Toby > -----Original Message----- > From: pcn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pcn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > James M. Polk > Sent: 24 February 2011 19:32 > To: Ruediger.Geib@telekom.de; philip.eardley@bt.com > Cc: pcn@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [PCN] IPR Disclosure: LM Ericsson IPR related to RFC 5559 > > Indeed - this topic with supporting documents were submitted well > before November 2006 in TSVWG, so I don't understand the basis for > Ericsson's claims here. > > James > > At 09:27 AM 2/24/2011, Ruediger.Geib@telekom.de wrote: > >Phil, > > > >I've had a brief glance on it. The patent claims are about > >mechanisms similar to PCN and Conex > >(congestion marks, though seemingly excess marking only, two > >thresholds, congestion feedback > >and traffic reduction and monitoring). > > > >The patent was filed in November 2006. > > > >I've checked my personal 2006 records and found that > >draft-briscoe-tsvwg-cl-architecture-04.txt > >was published on 25. October 2006, meaning there have been earlier > >published versions with > >Bob's ideas. > > > >The patent is linked to Ericssons RMD, which saw some publications in > 2002. > > > >Regards, > > > >Ruediger > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: pcn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pcn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > >Of IETF Secretariat > >Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 4:52 PM > >To: philip.eardley@bt.com > >Cc: housley@vigilsec.com; pcn@ietf.org; ipr-announce@ietf.org > >Subject: [PCN] IPR Disclosure: Telefonaktiebolaget LM Ericsson > >(publ)'s Statement about IPR related to RFC 5559 > > > >Dear Philip Eardley: > > > >An IPR disclosure that pertains to your RFC entitled "Pre-Congestion > >Notification (PCN) Architecture" (RFC5559) was submitted to the IETF > >Secretariat > >on 2011-02-21 and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual > Property > >Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1496/). The > title of the > >IPR disclosure is "Telefonaktiebolaget LM Ericsson (publ)'s > >Statement about IPR > >related to RFC 5559." > > > >The IETF Secretariat > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PCN mailing list > >PCN@ietf.org > >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pcn > >_______________________________________________ > >PCN mailing list > >PCN@ietf.org > >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pcn > > _______________________________________________ > PCN mailing list > PCN@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pcn From slblake@petri-meat.com Sun Feb 27 19:41:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 107383A699F for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2011 19:41:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.11 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.11 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id On-Q46vYwYai for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2011 19:41:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from elom.tchmachines.com (elom.tchmachines.com [208.76.80.198]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B8B73A6998 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2011 19:41:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from cpe-174-097-227-047.nc.res.rr.com ([174.97.227.47]) by elom.tchmachines.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ptu0Y-0004Wt-Eh for pcn@ietf.org; Sun, 27 Feb 2011 22:42:50 -0500 From: Steven Blake To: pcn@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 22:42:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1298864570.13423.10.camel@tachyon> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 (2.28.3-1.fc12) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - elom.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - petri-meat.com Subject: [PCN] Agenda for Prague X-BeenThere: pcn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: PCN WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 03:41:59 -0000 PCN is scheduled to meet in Prague: PCN Session 1 (1 hour) Friday, Afternoon Session II 1415-1515 Room Name: Karlin II & III Please note the following important dates: * 2011-02-28 (Monday): Working Group Chair approval for initial document (Version -00) submissions appreciated by 17:00 PT (01:00 Tuesday, March 1 UTC). * 2011-03-04 (Friday): Final agenda to be published. * 2011-03-07 (Monday): Internet Draft Cut-off for initial document (-00) submission by 17:00 PT (01:00 Tuesday, March 8 UTC), upload using IETF ID Submission Tool. * 2011-03-14 (Monday): Internet Draft final submission cut-off by 17:00 PT (01:00 Tuesday, March 15 UTC), upload using IETF ID Submission Tool. * 2011-03-16 (Wednesday): Draft Working Group agendas due by 17:00 PT (01:00 Thursday, March 17 UTC), upload using IETF Meeting Materials Management Tool. * 2011-03-18 (Friday): Early Bird registration and payment cut-off at 17:00 PT (01:00 Saturday, March 19 UTC). * 2011-03-21 (Monday): Revised Working Group agendas due by 17:00 PT (01:00 Tuesday, March 22 UTC), upload using IETF Meeting Materials Management Tool. Please send meeting agenda requests to the list, or to the chairs. Regards, // Steve From slblake@petri-meat.com Sun Feb 27 19:47:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF2BA3A6A80 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2011 19:47:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.855 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.855 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.745, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xnG09fdKAjs1 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2011 19:47:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from elom.tchmachines.com (elom.tchmachines.com [208.76.80.198]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D45E33A694A for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2011 19:47:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from cpe-174-097-227-047.nc.res.rr.com ([174.97.227.47]) by elom.tchmachines.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ptu6Q-0006id-Kz for pcn@ietf.org; Sun, 27 Feb 2011 22:48:54 -0500 From: Steven Blake To: "pcn@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 22:48:54 -0500 Message-ID: <1298864934.13423.15.camel@tachyon> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 (2.28.3-1.fc12) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - elom.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - petri-meat.com Subject: [PCN] WGLC for draft-ietf-pcn-3-in-1-encoding-04 as Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: pcn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: PCN WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 03:47:56 -0000 There were two ayes and no nays for re-categorizing http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pcn-3-in-1-encoding-04 as a Proposed Standard, so we will proceed along that path. This begins a two-week WGLC for this draft, to end Monday March 14. Please send comments to the list. Regards, // Steve From slblake@petri-meat.com Sun Feb 27 19:58:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F763A6A94 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2011 19:58:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.227 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.227 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.372, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UFWoi2V+1yMI for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2011 19:58:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from elom.tchmachines.com (elom.tchmachines.com [208.76.80.198]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D3AF3A6A80 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2011 19:58:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from cpe-174-097-227-047.nc.res.rr.com ([174.97.227.47]) by elom.tchmachines.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PtuH1-0001oK-Rp for pcn@ietf.org; Sun, 27 Feb 2011 22:59:52 -0500 From: Steven Blake To: pcn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 22:59:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1298865591.13423.19.camel@tachyon> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 (2.28.3-1.fc12) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - elom.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - petri-meat.com Subject: [PCN] WG draft status X-BeenThere: pcn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: PCN WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 03:58:54 -0000 Authors & editors, Where are we regarding the other four WG drafts in progress? http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/pcn/ Regards, // Steve From toby@moncaster.com Mon Feb 28 01:16:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D70463A6AF6 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2011 01:16:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.17 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.17 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.079, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tCMQmoYZDRiM for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2011 01:16:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9793A6AF7 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2011 01:16:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from TobysHP (host81-158-50-164.range81-158.btcentralplus.com [81.158.50.164]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LfGuG-1QMhHG2476-00pIye; Mon, 28 Feb 2011 10:17:07 +0100 From: "Toby Moncaster" To: "'Steven Blake'" , "'pcn'" References: <1298865591.13423.19.camel@tachyon> In-Reply-To: <1298865591.13423.19.camel@tachyon> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 09:17:05 -0000 Message-ID: <000901cbd728$45442a70$cfcc7f50$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 thread-index: AcvW+/XZNsGAnM35SE6tK48qTmbKPwAK5ZmA Content-Language: en-gb X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:2zowCa9CQNNCA6iwmo0HVCTvX+dCKbIw/j56L+G1uvN Ft4pWoznXK0rn/oBBZt+T1p1+RDPj8kRU+RGtlMI93BX4pQt7+ flupTkwjZqxzZqEkWeIQJWc0zw2hIJiazlfl08DXXcpkZ2lrOH 8BVJ/Tzb+Efyj8otUrDCguYh32WmYlNXjsJVZ4CAAjPq+b1+mp +cV4Qd6Bd9Rzm12Vd1f/MFKMhjitHlSegyvqAbsZSc= Subject: Re: [PCN] WG draft status X-BeenThere: pcn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: PCN WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 09:16:12 -0000 Hi Steve, I think the status is as follows: 2 * Edge Behavior Drafts - Tom Taylor is doing some updates on these following AD comments. I believe he is intending to send versions to the ML with some blanks for us to fill in... Encoding Comparison Draft - I did a minor update which Georgios should be posting soon (I hope). The draft is rather messy but since it is purely of historical interest (and is destined for informational) I don't want to spend too much WG effort on improving it. Signalling Requirements Draft - I think we are waiting to see if Georgios will submit a new version that takes into account Phil's extensive list of comments. It certainly needs work before it can progress anywhere. Toby > -----Original Message----- > From: pcn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pcn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Steven Blake > Sent: 28 February 2011 04:00 > To: pcn > Subject: [PCN] WG draft status > > Authors & editors, > > Where are we regarding the other four WG drafts in progress? > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/pcn/ > > > Regards, > > // Steve > > _______________________________________________ > PCN mailing list > PCN@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pcn From karagian@cs.utwente.nl Mon Feb 28 01:36:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E0923A6AF3 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2011 01:36:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.504 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.504 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3KE2h5nLohXm for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2011 01:36:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl (denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.10.11]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B993A6AF1 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2011 01:36:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from ewi977 (ewi977.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.12.129]) by denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id p1S9bOBa012015; Mon, 28 Feb 2011 10:37:27 +0100 (MET) From: "Georgios Karagiannis" To: "'Toby Moncaster'" , "'Steven Blake'" , "'pcn'" References: <1298865591.13423.19.camel@tachyon> <000901cbd728$45442a70$cfcc7f50$@com> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 10:37:21 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <000901cbd728$45442a70$cfcc7f50$@com> Thread-Index: AcvW+/XZNsGAnM35SE6tK48qTmbKPwAK5ZmAAADH2CA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 130.89.10.11 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0rc3 (denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.10.11]); Mon, 28 Feb 2011 10:37:38 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: [PCN] WG draft status X-BeenThere: pcn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: PCN WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 09:36:42 -0000 Hi Steve, Hi Toby, Hi all A new version of the signaling draft and encoding comparison draft will be submitted befroe the submission deadline. For the signaling draft I will present the updates (+/- 10 minutes), for the encoding comparison draft, either mr or Toby can present them (we will also need +/- 10 minutes)! Best regards, Georgios > -----Original Message----- > From: pcn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pcn-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Toby Moncaster > Sent: maandag 28 februari 2011 10:17 > To: 'Steven Blake'; 'pcn' > Subject: Re: [PCN] WG draft status > > Hi Steve, > > I think the status is as follows: > > 2 * Edge Behavior Drafts - Tom Taylor is doing some updates > on these following AD comments. I believe he is intending to > send versions to the ML with some blanks for us to fill in... > > Encoding Comparison Draft - I did a minor update which > Georgios should be posting soon (I hope). The draft is rather > messy but since it is purely of historical interest (and is > destined for informational) I don't want to spend too much WG > effort on improving it. > > Signalling Requirements Draft - I think we are waiting to see > if Georgios will submit a new version that takes into account > Phil's extensive list of comments. It certainly needs work > before it can progress anywhere. > > Toby > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pcn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pcn-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of > > Steven Blake > > Sent: 28 February 2011 04:00 > > To: pcn > > Subject: [PCN] WG draft status > > > > Authors & editors, > > > > Where are we regarding the other four WG drafts in progress? > > > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/pcn/ > > > > > > Regards, > > > > // Steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PCN mailing list > > PCN@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pcn > > _______________________________________________ > PCN mailing list > PCN@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pcn > From toby@moncaster.com Mon Feb 28 02:01:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A5F3A6AFC for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2011 02:01:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.18 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.18 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.069, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZqEWy5Ho16yl for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2011 02:01:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.8]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84F243A6AF2 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2011 02:01:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from TobysHP (host81-158-50-164.range81-158.btcentralplus.com [81.158.50.164]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Me5Bm-1Pf4dV0tEU-00PQzu; Mon, 28 Feb 2011 11:02:02 +0100 From: "Toby Moncaster" To: "'Georgios Karagiannis'" , "'Steven Blake'" , "'pcn'" References: <1298865591.13423.19.camel@tachyon> <000901cbd728$45442a70$cfcc7f50$@com> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 10:01:58 -0000 Message-ID: <001801cbd72e$8b913d50$a2b3b7f0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 thread-index: AcvW+/XZNsGAnM35SE6tK48qTmbKPwAK5ZmAAADH2CAAAPB2wA== Content-Language: en-gb X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:dBekn2/PhXELxn0G3jbKn7p+IeBqgWF1FawfdINCoy6 iGIMfAPHrdw92+YMeOJcfwUovwzmO0xi6seDTX3jjyeqAr7sfU SYhU8GN8si30Iwll+u4VF4jzLyykcFZ9FBRr4//RZyH1GqVglF Ar+0w/zV4Wmde/XBjCJuE4GWA4N9mKQqaNc24YfpKU+wcFRfeP j0Zu6Ikqk4MQnpCYUGMqZnYAbnOMZsMDswsePbgoT4= Subject: Re: [PCN] WG draft status X-BeenThere: pcn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: PCN WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 10:01:12 -0000 At present I am not sure if I will be in Prague, and I certainly won't be there on the Friday... > -----Original Message----- > From: Georgios Karagiannis [mailto:karagian@cs.utwente.nl] > Sent: 28 February 2011 09:37 > To: 'Toby Moncaster'; 'Steven Blake'; 'pcn' > Subject: RE: [PCN] WG draft status > > Hi Steve, Hi Toby, Hi all > > A new version of the signaling draft and encoding comparison draft will > be > submitted befroe the submission deadline. > > For the signaling draft I will present the updates (+/- 10 minutes), > for the > encoding comparison draft, either mr or Toby can present them (we will > also > need +/- 10 minutes)! > > Best regards, > Georgios > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pcn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pcn-bounces@ietf.org] On > > Behalf Of Toby Moncaster > > Sent: maandag 28 februari 2011 10:17 > > To: 'Steven Blake'; 'pcn' > > Subject: Re: [PCN] WG draft status > > > > Hi Steve, > > > > I think the status is as follows: > > > > 2 * Edge Behavior Drafts - Tom Taylor is doing some updates > > on these following AD comments. I believe he is intending to > > send versions to the ML with some blanks for us to fill in... > > > > Encoding Comparison Draft - I did a minor update which > > Georgios should be posting soon (I hope). The draft is rather > > messy but since it is purely of historical interest (and is > > destined for informational) I don't want to spend too much WG > > effort on improving it. > > > > Signalling Requirements Draft - I think we are waiting to see > > if Georgios will submit a new version that takes into account > > Phil's extensive list of comments. It certainly needs work > > before it can progress anywhere. > > > > Toby > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: pcn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pcn-bounces@ietf.org] On > > Behalf Of > > > Steven Blake > > > Sent: 28 February 2011 04:00 > > > To: pcn > > > Subject: [PCN] WG draft status > > > > > > Authors & editors, > > > > > > Where are we regarding the other four WG drafts in progress? > > > > > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/pcn/ > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > // Steve > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PCN mailing list > > > PCN@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pcn > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PCN mailing list > > PCN@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pcn > > From Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Mon Feb 28 13:45:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pcn@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55C2A3A6C61; Mon, 28 Feb 2011 13:45:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.044, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zaW7Hwuvphoo; Mon, 28 Feb 2011 13:45:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64F143A69FE; Mon, 28 Feb 2011 13:45:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.12 Message-ID: <20110228214502.1856.13074.idtracker@localhost> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 13:45:02 -0800 Cc: pcn@ietf.org Subject: [PCN] I-D Action:draft-ietf-pcn-encoding-comparison-04.txt X-BeenThere: pcn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: PCN WG list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 21:45:03 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Congestion and Pre-Congestion Notification Working Group of the IETF. Title : Pre-Congestion Notification Encoding Comparison Author(s) : K. Chan, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-pcn-encoding-comparison-04.txt Pages : 37 Date : 2011-02-28 The objective of Pre-Congestion Notification (PCN) is to protect the quality of service (QoS) of inelastic flows within a Diffserv domain. On every link in the PCN domain, the overall rate of the PCN-traffic is metered, and PCN-packets are appropriately marked when certain configured rates are exceeded. Egress nodes provide decision points with information about the PCN-marks of PCN-packets which allows them to take decisions about whether to admit or block a new flow request, and to terminate some already admitted flows during serious pre- congestion. The PCN Working Group explored a number of approaches for encoding this pre-congestion information into the IP header. 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