From acmorton@att.com Tue Mar 27 06:40:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pmol@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pmol@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D6021F8A24 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 06:40:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.401 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.401 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.395, BAYES_00=-2.599, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.803, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IRHYMKgQ5uKz for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 06:40:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nbfkord-smmo04.seg.att.com (nbfkord-smmo04.seg.att.com [209.65.160.86]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B9E721F8A25 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 06:40:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown [144.160.20.145] (EHLO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) by nbfkord-smmo04.seg.att.com(mxl_mta-6.11.0-8) over TLS secured channel with ESMTP id 263c17f4.0.659675.00-315.1829360.nbfkord-smmo04.seg.att.com (envelope-from ); Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:40:51 +0000 (UTC) X-MXL-Hash: 4f71c36356b084eb-b8f5b5cb6e17f24a74483373a7c7cb86801e71db Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q2RDeouc012103 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:40:50 -0400 Received: from sflint02.pst.cso.att.com (sflint02.pst.cso.att.com [144.154.234.229]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q2RDek4R012087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:40:47 -0400 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by sflint02.pst.cso.att.com (RSA Interceptor) for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:40:17 -0400 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q2RDeHud017722 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:40:17 -0400 Received: from mailgw1.maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q2RDe9dW016967 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:40:10 -0400 Message-Id: <201203271340.q2RDe9dW016967@alpd052.aldc.att.com> Received: from acmt.att.com (vpn-135-70-4-199.vpn.west.att.com[135.70.4.199](misconfigured sender)) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with SMTP id <20120327133719gw1004orble>; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:37:21 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.4.199] X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:41:14 -0400 To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , From: Al Morton In-Reply-To: References: <201201161446.q0GEkPPo010569@alpd052.aldc.att.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-RSA-Inspected: yes X-RSA-Classifications: public X-RSA-Action: allow X-Spam: [F=0.2000000000; CM=0.500; S=0.200(2010122901)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [144.160.20.145] X-AnalysisOut: [v=1.0 c=1 a=KvXet7NwhCwA:10 a=HGOELgx6o6gA:10 a=ofMgfj31e3] X-AnalysisOut: [cA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ZRNLZ4dFUbCvG8] X-AnalysisOut: [UMqPvVAA==:17 a=j2XmgXPN4kYgjzx9BDwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10] Subject: Re: [PMOL] Thoughts on how we operate as a Directorate X-BeenThere: pmol@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance Metrics Directorate list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:40:52 -0000 At 11:49 AM 1/23/2012, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: >Probably going beyond the name of the document is desirable - looking >into the content for strings like 'performance metrics', 'performance >monitoring', etc. could reveal things that are missed by just scanning >the titles. So, now that we've all had a chance to wade through docs in our normal working areas: Has anyone seen a draft we should be reviewing/considering? Let us all know, and we'll take the next steps, Al From yaakov_s@rad.com Tue Mar 27 07:57:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pmol@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pmol@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9734821E8217 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:57:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.398 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.398 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.200, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1sEsq7-x+2oR for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rad.co.il (mailrelay01-q.rad.co.il [80.74.100.150]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C9A21E808B for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Internal Mail-Server by MailRelay01 (envelope-from yaakov?s@rad.com) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP; 27 Mar 2012 16:43:17 +0200 Received: from EXRAD5.ad.rad.co.il ([192.114.24.28]) by EXRAD5.ad.rad.co.il ([192.114.24.28]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:57:16 +0200 From: Yaakov Stein To: Al Morton , "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , "pmol@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [PMOL] Thoughts on how we operate as a Directorate Thread-Index: AQHNDB9BT1u7vUDtwU+tVtkGc/SkNpZ+N7rg Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 14:57:16 +0000 Message-ID: <07F7D7DED63154409F13298786A2ADC90432C289@EXRAD5.ad.rad.co.il> References: <201201161446.q0GEkPPo010569@alpd052.aldc.att.com> <201203271340.q2RDe9dW016967@alpd052.aldc.att.com> In-Reply-To: <201203271340.q2RDe9dW016967@alpd052.aldc.att.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [207.232.33.112] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Commtouch-Refid: str=0001.0A090209.4F71D54D.00C4,ss=1,fgs=0 Subject: Re: [PMOL] Thoughts on how we operate as a Directorate X-BeenThere: pmol@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance Metrics Directorate list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 14:57:22 -0000 Other than draft-tempia-opsawg-p3m, which we have discussed before,=20 I would suggest looking into the work proposed in MPLS on performance-based= path selection=20 (e.g., draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path). Had we been ready earlier, we would have taken a look at what became RFC 6374 and 6375, but that is now water under the bridge. I checked the OAM proposal in trill (draft-ietf-trill-rbridge-oam)=20 and it is pure FM OAM, with no PM features. At least for now. Y(J)S -----Original Message----- From: pmol-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pmol-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Al = Morton Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 15:41 To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); pmol@ietf.org Subject: Re: [PMOL] Thoughts on how we operate as a Directorate At 11:49 AM 1/23/2012, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: >Probably going beyond the name of the document is desirable - looking >into the content for strings like 'performance metrics', 'performance >monitoring', etc. could reveal things that are missed by just scanning >the titles. So, now that we've all had a chance to wade through docs in our normal working areas: Has anyone seen a draft we should be reviewing/considering? Let us all know, and we'll take the next steps, Al _______________________________________________ PMOL mailing list PMOL@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pmol From acmorton@att.com Tue Mar 27 08:40:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pmol@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pmol@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 190DC21E8243 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 08:40:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.391 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.391 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.405, BAYES_00=-2.599, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.803, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s3okXLt2-7K1 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 08:40:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nbfkord-smmo04.seg.att.com (nbfkord-smmo04.seg.att.com [209.65.160.86]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD7C21E80A9 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 08:40:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown [144.160.20.145] (EHLO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) by nbfkord-smmo04.seg.att.com(mxl_mta-6.11.0-8) over TLS secured channel with ESMTP id 97fd17f4.0.718513.00-231.1999003.nbfkord-smmo04.seg.att.com (envelope-from ); Tue, 27 Mar 2012 15:40:44 +0000 (UTC) X-MXL-Hash: 4f71df7c687f6883-819007086280c457509636f16c17abdcc289870c Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q2RFefW9007594 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:40:41 -0400 Received: from sflint02.pst.cso.att.com (sflint02.pst.cso.att.com [144.154.234.229]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q2RFeZDu007315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:40:36 -0400 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by sflint02.pst.cso.att.com (RSA Interceptor) for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:40:18 -0400 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q2RFeIF5020284 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:40:18 -0400 Received: from mailgw1.maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q2RFeAH5019723 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:40:10 -0400 Message-Id: <201203271540.q2RFeAH5019723@alpd052.aldc.att.com> Received: from acmt.att.com (vpn-135-70-155-188.vpn.mwst.att.com[135.70.155.188](misconfigured sender)) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with SMTP id <20120327153721gw1004orcce>; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 15:37:22 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.155.188] X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:41:16 -0400 To: Yaakov Stein , "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , "pmol@ietf.org" From: Al Morton In-Reply-To: <07F7D7DED63154409F13298786A2ADC90432C289@EXRAD5.ad.rad.co. il> References: <201201161446.q0GEkPPo010569@alpd052.aldc.att.com> <201203271340.q2RDe9dW016967@alpd052.aldc.att.com> <07F7D7DED63154409F13298786A2ADC90432C289@EXRAD5.ad.rad.co.il> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-RSA-Inspected: yes X-RSA-Classifications: public X-RSA-Action: allow X-Spam: [F=0.2000000000; CM=0.500; S=0.200(2010122901)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [144.160.20.145] X-AnalysisOut: [v=1.0 c=1 a=JLaPI83JyfUA:10 a=HGOELgx6o6gA:10 a=ofMgfj31e3] X-AnalysisOut: [cA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ZRNLZ4dFUbCvG8] X-AnalysisOut: [UMqPvVAA==:17 a=mChUsBncw728q1M4LQ4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10] Subject: Re: [PMOL] Thoughts on how we operate as a Directorate X-BeenThere: pmol@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance Metrics Directorate list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 15:40:45 -0000 Any volunteers to review? At 10:57 AM 3/27/2012, Yaakov Stein wrote: >Other than draft-tempia-opsawg-p3m, which we have discussed before, >I would suggest looking into the work proposed in MPLS on >performance-based path selection >(e.g., draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path). From vinayakh@gmail.com Tue Mar 27 09:12:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pmol@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: pmol@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15EAC21F84D8 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:12:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pkHHVRV7fMqx for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-f44.google.com (mail-vb0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8683E21F84CF for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vbbez10 with SMTP id ez10so51257vbb.31 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:12:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=vWGUyeO8V/7JCa8/ZtDnPK/F7gdftu0KbxUvQZ1b+pQ=; b=aPwdAUVks5R5PwqEyTUZl2HcN+1k0XjbpOXtdz/Yez57Nkp+sl1vb+MVq1cyiKxbun O6tHMbKYUYlNyRRZ54n7pCCglhxqBo8hdzpq3RM4FU0ff06L5i7+bWdCDoUA3nYwnypo 7/Blew8uXS0+cbJ0Bq/SWfi7hQQrFRrXrq1WhD1yWvlBtrlQ55QwqF2urgFnRB0riUvo spE4XaVPkaEdkjQJZVKIokWreh7oAYjDRh9BTUPSBvxTXFoqy4CRb8lozenXSr0R0qju BM9bRkwfk6JTuxr11Ii1tJMP1vvxoNtHakJ0pGSgfduz7tmvj+mgED9jsX65sQzufprX D3lA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.93.203 with SMTP id cw11mr2609369vdb.71.1332864740085; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.36.148 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:12:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201203271540.q2RFeAH5019723@alpd052.aldc.att.com> References: <201201161446.q0GEkPPo010569@alpd052.aldc.att.com> <201203271340.q2RDe9dW016967@alpd052.aldc.att.com> <07F7D7DED63154409F13298786A2ADC90432C289@EXRAD5.ad.rad.co.il> <201203271540.q2RFeAH5019723@alpd052.aldc.att.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:42:20 +0530 Message-ID: From: Vinayak Hegde To: Al Morton Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: "pmol@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [PMOL] Thoughts on how we operate as a Directorate X-BeenThere: pmol@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance Metrics Directorate list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:12:21 -0000 I can review both drafts by this weekend. Regards Vinayak On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:11 PM, Al Morton wrote: > > Any volunteers to review? > > > > At 10:57 AM 3/27/2012, Yaakov Stein wrote: >> >> Other than draft-tempia-opsawg-p3m, which we have discussed before, >> I would suggest looking into the work proposed in MPLS on >> performance-based path selection >> (e.g., draft-atlas-mpls-te-express-path). > > > _______________________________________________ > PMOL mailing list > PMOL@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pmol