Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id LAA00781 for ietf-pop3ext-bks; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:03:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from illyana.qualcomm.com (illyana.qualcomm.com [129.46.2.83]) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00777 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:03:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.46.219.133] (randy-mac.qualcomm.com [129.46.219.133]) by illyana.qualcomm.com (8.8.5/1.4/8.7.2/1.14) with ESMTP id LAA02505; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:06:17 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2FBF98FC7852CF11912A0000000000010C992515@DINO> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Eudora Pro v4.1 for Macintosh Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:56:27 -0700 To: "Mike Gahrns (Exchange)" , "'Randall Gellens'" , ietf-pop3ext@imc.org From: Randall Gellens Subject: RE: draft-gellens-pop3ext-07.txt Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Random-Signature-Tag: v1.0a10 Sender: owner-ietf-pop3ext@imc.org Precedence: bulk At 9:17 PM -0700 8/18/98, Mike Gahrns (Exchange) wrote: >The UIDL parameter may also fall in this category. I have heard that some >servers don't allow the UIDL command, because they don't want to have >clients leave mail on the server. If a site doesn't want users to leave mail on the server, disabling UIDL is a pretty crude way of doing it. It also makes it harder for clients to properly download and delete mail in the case of an aborted session. That said, I don't have strong feelings either way on per-user UIDL and LOGIN-DELAY. Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id VAA08739 for ietf-pop3ext-bks; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from doggate.exchange.microsoft.com (doggate.exchange.microsoft.com [131.107.88.55]) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA08735 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by doggate.exchange.microsoft.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:17:51 -0700 Message-ID: <2FBF98FC7852CF11912A0000000000010C992515@DINO> From: "Mike Gahrns (Exchange)" To: "'Randall Gellens'" , ietf-pop3ext@imc.org Subject: RE: draft-gellens-pop3ext-07.txt Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:17:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ietf-pop3ext@imc.org Precedence: bulk a minor comment on draft-07 Seems that LOGIN-DELAY is a parameter that one might reasonably want to set on a per-user basis. e.g. The common users might have a setting of 600 seconds, but the executives might be allowed to poll every minute. I know that we have a class of users that demand to get "instant" notification of messages arriving. Thus, under "possible differences" for LOGIN-DELAY, you might want to change no to yes, and then add the spiel you have under "EXPIRE" about if the server has a per-user setting. e.g. it SHOULD announce the more accurate version is in the transaction state and append the USER token to the LOGIN-DELAY. The server should advertise maximum possible Login delay in the AUTHORIZATION state. The UIDL parameter may also fall in this category. I have heard that some servers don't allow the UIDL command, because they don't want to have clients leave mail on the server. The ability to leave mail on the server, certainly could be a reasonable per-user setting. Using just EXPIRE 0 to indicate the client is not permitted to leave mail on the server won't work in this case won't work, because you'd be falsing advertising that the server supported UIDL. That said, unlike EXPIRE, where we currently have a per-user settings in our server, we do not have a per-user setting for LOGIN-DELAY and UIDL. Thus I don't feel strongly about the above. Since the doc is already structured for the per-user setting case of EXPIRE, it seemed that it would be simple to treat LOGIN-DELAY and UIDL similiarly to EXPIRE without really adding any more complexity to the doc. I thought I would throw the comment out to the list, since I could see these as being reasonable per-user settings. I definitely do not intend this to re-open the doc and re-start the design of it. If you feel that these would be reasonable per-user settings, then it may be worth doing a minor change to note that they might be. I do not want to open a pandora's box of new changes to the draft, so pls limit any comments as to whether it is reasonable that these two parameters might be settable per-user. -----Original Message----- From: Randall Gellens [mailto:randy@Qualcomm.Com] Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 6:26 PM To: ietf-pop3ext@imc.org Subject: draft-gellens-pop3ext-07.txt Version -07 of the POP3 Extensions draft was just sent in; it should be posted soon. If anyone wants it before then, let me know and I'll send a copy by email. Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id PAA06489 for ietf-pop3ext-bks; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:17:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from upm.edu.my (scc.upm.edu.my [202.184.17.1]) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA06485 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from inet.upm.edu.my by scc.upm.edu.my (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA07190; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 06:21:19 -0800 Received: from admin.upm.edu.my by inet.upm.edu.my (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA16260; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 06:20:13 -0800 Received: from dcrocker by admin.upm.edu.my (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id GAA28666; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 06:19:49 -0800 Message-Id: <199808191419.GAA28666@admin.upm.edu.my> X-Sender: dcrocker@mail.bayarea.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.44 (Beta) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:58:35 -0700 To: Chris Newman From: Dave Crocker Subject: Re: mailrev BOF Cc: ietf-pop3ext@imc.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ietf-pop3ext@imc.org Precedence: bulk At 12:05 PM 8/18/98 -0700, Chris Newman wrote: >Thursday, August 27 at 0900-1130 Damn. That's directly opposite the fax-over-email working group. tsk. tsk. >Timekeeper: volunteer needed who is willing to cut people off at the knees? d/ _________________________________________________________________________ Dave CROCKER Tel: +1 408 246 8253 BRANDENBURG CONSULTING Tel: +60 19 3299 445 675 Spruce Drive P. O. Box 296, UPM Sunnyvale, CA 94086 www.brandenburg.com Serdang, Selangor 43400 United States Fax: +1 408 273 6464 Malaysia Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id MAA04990 for ietf-pop3ext-bks; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from THOR.INNOSOFT.COM (SYSTEM@THOR.INNOSOFT.COM [192.160.253.66]) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA04986 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elwood.innosoft.com ("port 37779"@ELWOOD.INNOSOFT.COM) by INNOSOFT.COM (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3049) with SMTP id <01J0QY6P8RK48WWEDL@INNOSOFT.COM> for ietf-pop3ext@imc.org; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:04:03 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:05:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Newman Subject: mailrev BOF To: ietf-pop3ext@imc.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Originator-Info: login-id=chris; server=THOR.INNOSOFT.COM Sender: owner-ietf-pop3ext@imc.org Precedence: bulk Here is a BOF which should interest participants on this mailing list. The pop3 extensions proposal and POP3 SASL revision are on the agenda for brief review and a sense of rough concensus. ---- Review of Short Mail-related Extension Proposals (mailrev) Thursday, August 27 at 0900-1130 ================================ Chair: Chris Newman Timekeeper: volunteer needed who is willing to cut people off Note Taker: volunteer needed DESCRIPTION: Thare are a number of short mail-related individual submissions which appear not to require the review of a full working group, but would benefit from some review and a sense of rough concensus. Each draft on the agenda will be allocated a fixed (and enforced) time limit for a brief presentation and technical debate. At the end of the time limit, the rough concensus of the room will be measured to see if the draft in question should go standards track expediously, standards track with revisions, experimental, punt to WG, defer or discourage. The success of this effort is likely to depend on the number of participants who read the drafts in advance. Most of these drafts are short. Draft authors are requested to prepare one overhead transparency to summarize their proposals. Some of the drafts listed below could get IESG approval prior to the BOF, in which case they will be dropped from the agenda. The purpose of including drafts in last call on the list is that if they're not approved by the time the BOF occurs, then the BOF may give review feedback to ADs which could help speed approval. Gzip tar file of documents on agenda: AGENDA: Time Limit Presenter Pages Draft Title intro 5 Chair review 8 Gunnar Lindburg 21 draft-lindberg-anti-spam-mta-04.txt! concensus 2 Chair review 10 Randy Gellens 14 draft-gellens-submit-11.txt! concensus 2 Chair review 5 John Myers 6 draft-myers-sasl-pop3-05.txt concensus 2 Chair review 5 Randy Gellens 17 draft-gellens-pop3ext-07.txt! concensus 2 Chair review 8 Jacob Palme 14? draft-ietf-mailext-new-fields-13.txt! concensus 2 Chair review 5 Chris Newman 6 draft-newman-msgheader-originfo-05.txt! concensus 2 Chair review 8 Jacob Palme 16? draft-ietf-drums-MHRegistry-03.txt concensus 2 Chair review 8 Randy Gellens 8 draft-gellens-on-demand-05.txt concensus 2 Chair review 5 Ned Freed 7 draft-freed-gatesec-02.txt concensus 2 Chair review 5 L. Lundblade 4 draft-lundblade-1pass-mult-alt-01.txt concensus 2 Chair review 8 Chris Newman 10 draft-newman-auth-resp-00.txt concensus 2 Chair review 5 Ned Freed 10 draft-newman-deliver-00.txt concensus 2 Chair review 3 Chris Newman 4 draft-newman-mime-cdisp-metadata-01.txt concensus 2 Chair review 5 Ned Freed 11 draft-freed-bsmtp-01.txt concensus 2 Chair review 5 Randy Gellens 7 draft-gellens-format-00.txt concensus 2 Chair conclude 15 Chair What's missing from mail standards that IETF could do next? ! - document is in last call ? - document lacks page numbers, estimate included Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id SAA12451 for ietf-pop3ext-bks; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:34:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from apprentice.qualcomm.com (apprentice.qualcomm.com [129.46.2.86]) by mail.proper.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA12447 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:34:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.46.219.133] (randy-mac.qualcomm.com [129.46.219.133]) by apprentice.qualcomm.com (8.8.5/1.4/8.7.2/1.14) with ESMTP id SAA23491 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:36:41 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Eudora Pro v4.1 for Macintosh Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:25:43 -0700 To: ietf-pop3ext@imc.org From: Randall Gellens Subject: draft-gellens-pop3ext-07.txt Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Random-Signature-Tag: v1.0a10 Sender: owner-ietf-pop3ext@imc.org Precedence: bulk Version -07 of the POP3 Extensions draft was just sent in; it should be posted soon. If anyone wants it before then, let me know and I'll send a copy by email.