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Hello all,<BR><BR>Is there a IPv6 Configuration Protocol Options in
IPv6CP?<BR>If there is no IPv6 Configuration Protocol Option then I'd like
to know how to get IPv6 DNS address&nbsp;when negotiate PPP.<BR>(I found
draft document which is filed as "PPP IPV6 Control Protocol Extensions for
DNS Server Addresses". But,&nbsp;it&nbsp;was expired at December 2004 and
not published as RFC.)<BR><BR>I expect your prompt reply.<BR>



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At 01:42 AM 5/10/2004, Mykim wrote:
>Hello all,
>
>Is there a IPv6 Configuration Protocol Options in IPv6CP?
>If there is no IPv6 Configuration Protocol Option then I'd like to know 
>how to get IPv6 DNS address when negotiate PPP.

Use DHCP.

>(I found draft document which is filed as "PPP IPV6 Control Protocol 
>Extensions for DNS Server Addresses". But, it was expired at December 2004 
>and not published as RFC.)

It was rejected by the working group.  The consensus was that it duplicated 
the existing capability already provided by DHCP.

John


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pppext-admin@ietf.org <mailto:pppext-admin@ietf.org> writes:

> At 01:42 AM 5/10/2004, Mykim wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> Is there a IPv6 Configuration Protocol Options in IPv6CP?
>> If there is no IPv6 Configuration Protocol Option then I'd like to
>> know how to get IPv6 DNS address when negotiate PPP.
> 
> Use DHCP.
> 
>> (I found draft document which is filed as "PPP IPV6 Control Protocol
>> Extensions for DNS Server Addresses". But, it was expired at
>> December 2004 and not published as RFC.)
> 
> It was rejected by the working group.  The consensus was that it
> duplicated the existing capability already provided by DHCP.

One might add that the IETF is rapidly duplicating the capability
already provided by ISO/OSI: that of valuing intellectual purity over
running networks; if this continues, one might also expect a similar
slide into irrelevance and the twilight obscurity of textbook footnotes.
OF course, CDMA2000 vendors won't throw away backward compatibility with
their installed base just because the IETF says "use DHCP", nor does
this edict change the reasons that they didn't implement DHCP in the
first place.  I expect that what will happen is that 3GPP2 will simply
define a new vendor-specific option and use PPP.  The WG will have
washed its hands, to the effect that an even larger percentage of PPP
implementations will be non-standard.

> 
> John
> 
> 
>> I expect your prompt reply.
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~gwz

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> this edict change the reasons that they didn't implement DHCP in the
> first place.

The reasons that DHCP was not implemented for IPv4 do not apply to IPv6.
It is widely expected that "stateless DHCPv6" servers will be implemented
on NASen, so that there is no need to deploy DHCPv6 servers in the
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Bernard Aboba <mailto:aboba@internaut.com> writes:

>> this edict change the reasons that they didn't implement DHCP in the
>> first place.
> 
> The reasons that DHCP was not implemented for IPv4 do not apply to
> IPv6. 

I honestly don't know what reason(s) 3GPP2 had for not using DHCP
w/IPv4.  However, I'm pretty sure that whatever those reasons were, they
can't be changed by proclamation. ;-)

> It is widely expected that "stateless DHCPv6" servers will be
> implemented on NASen, so that there is no need to deploy DHCPv6
> servers in the network.   

Hope this helps,

~gwz

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safety deserve neither..." 
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Thank you for your reply.<BR><BR>In CDMA 2000 environmant, MS(Mobile
Station) that uses IPv6 gets IPv6 address&nbsp;by&nbsp; negotiating
PPP(IPv6CP) with PDSN(Packet Data Serving Node).<BR>In this
case,&nbsp;how&nbsp;can MS get IPv6 DNS address? (If MS not use DHCP)<BR>If
MS has to get IPv6 DNS address by using DHCP, does&nbsp;DHCP
server&nbsp;have to exist&nbsp;in CDMA 2000 network?<BR><BR>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">--------- Original Message --------<BR>sender:
"John Bray" &lt;bray@cisco.com&gt;<BR>To: "Mykim"
&lt;mykim@softteleware.com&gt;<BR>Cc: pppext@ietf.org<BR>subject: Re:
[Pppext] Is there a IPv6 Configuration Protocol Options for DNS IP
address?<BR>Date: 11/05/04 10:23<BR><BR><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>At
01:42 AM 5/10/2004, Mykim wrote:<BR>&gt;Hello all,<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Is there a
IPv6 Configuration Protocol Options in IPv6CP?<BR>&gt;If there is no IPv6
Configuration Protocol Option then I'd like to know <BR>&gt;how to get IPv6
DNS address when negotiate PPP.<BR><BR>Use DHCP.<BR><BR>&gt;(I found draft
document which is filed as "PPP IPV6 Control Protocol <BR>&gt;Extensions for
DNS Server Addresses". But, it was expired at December 2004 <BR>&gt;and not
published as RFC.)<BR><BR>It was rejected by the working group. The
consensus was that it duplicated <BR>the existing capability already
provided by DHCP.<BR><BR>John<BR><BR><BR>&gt;I expect your prompt
reply.<BR>&gt;_______________________________________________ Pppext mailing
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Subject: Re: [Pppext] Is there a IPv6 Configuration Protocol Options for DNS IP
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Mykim writes:
> Thank you for your reply.<BR><BR>In CDMA 2000 environmant, MS(Mobile
> Station) that uses IPv6 gets IPv6 address&nbsp;by&nbsp; negotiating
> PPP(IPv6CP) with PDSN(Packet Data Serving Node).<BR>In this
> case,&nbsp;how&nbsp;can MS get IPv6 DNS address? (If MS not use DHCP)<BR>If

Why doesn't it use DHCP?

> MS has to get IPv6 DNS address by using DHCP, does&nbsp;DHCP
> server&nbsp;have to exist&nbsp;in CDMA 2000 network?<BR><BR>

The "server" in this case is extraordinarily trivial: all it needs to
be able to do is receive a DHCPINFORM message from the client and send
DHCPACK in response.

Having the same system that terminates the PPP connection also
providing DHCP service would make a lot of sense -- no extra hardware,
and a trivial amount of software; likely the same amount of software
that would have been required to add the DNS server address options to
PPP.

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Hi,
       I have a implementation of ppp that supports multi-class extensions to
MLPPP. I wish to inter-op this s/w with some other implementation. If anybody
is aware of an implementation that supports multi-class exts to MP, please do
let me know.

Regards
Ajay


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