From lars.eggert@nokia.com Mon Feb 16 01:52:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B7128C0F6 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 01:52:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6BGsix3DD+VL for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 01:52:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:2060:40:1::123]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8AFA28C0F3 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 01:52:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from net-74.nrpn.net (net-74.nrpn.net [192.89.6.74]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.fit.nokia.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n1G9qJVX015255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:52:40 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from lars.eggert@nokia.com) Message-Id: <813D636F-9F70-487C-B908-EAEFF8A74240@nokia.com> From: Lars Eggert To: ppsp@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-47-920206518; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:52:40 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (mail.fit.nokia.com [212.213.221.39]); Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:52:40 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/8995/Mon Feb 16 05:40:05 2009 on fit.nokia.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [ppsp] bar BOF X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:52:38 -0000 --Apple-Mail-47-920206518 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, will there again be a bar BOF in SF? If yes and you want a room, please let me know ASAP. 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charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Lars, Thanks so much for your kindly reminding.You are so considerate.We plan to have another bar bof in SF and I will meet with pplive and huawei for PPSP this week for the detailed contents we'd like to discuss in this bar bof.So would you please help us to reserve a room in SF. Many thanks for your help and see you in SF. Best regards! Sincerely yours, Yunfei 2009-02-16 ***************************************************** Yunfei Zhang, Ph.D. R&D, CHINA MOBILE COMMUNICATIONS CORPORATION Tel: +86 10 158016966688 ext. 3247 Fax: +86 10 63601087 MOBILE: 1360-1032-119 ***************************************************** 2009/2/16, Lars Eggert : > > Hi, > > will there again be a bar BOF in SF? If yes and you want a room, please let > me know ASAP. > > Lars > _______________________________________________ > ppsp mailing list > ppsp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ppsp > > > --0015174be172cff77f04630641ef Content-Type: text/html; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Lars,
  Thanks so much for your kindly reminding.You are so= considerate.We plan to have another bar bof in SF and I will meet with ppl= ive and huawei for PPSP this week for the detailed contents we'd like t= o discuss in this bar bof.So would you please help us to reserve a room in = SF.
  Many thanks for your help and see you in SF.
  =A1=A1&n= bsp;   
        =  
       

  Best regards!
  Sincerely yours,
  Yunfei
&nb= sp;     2009-02-16
*********************************= ********************

Yunfei Zhang, Ph.D.

R&D, CHINA MOBILE COMMUNICATIONS CORPORATION

Tel: +86 10 158016966688 ext. 3247

Fax: +86 10 63601087

MOBILE: 1360-1032-119

*****************************************************



2009/2/16, Lars Eggert <lars.eggert@nokia.com>:
Hi,

will there again be a= bar BOF in SF? If yes and you want a room, please let me know ASAP.

Lars
_______________________________________________
ppsp mail= ing list
ppsp@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ppsp<= br>


--0015174be172cff77f04630641ef-- From hishigh@gmail.com Fri Feb 20 23:41:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0DAF3A6873 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 23:41:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_73=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VYmQCCMCeuXn for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 23:41:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B943A682B for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 23:41:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id d3so185276nfc.39 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 23:41:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=fu+S0fccK494ywh9jo8ze12uqbkTrnIu03ceygmsEB8=; b=wGFDYp3cIiy4yxNoBVTceH7+N/nhZ8wpzLjhrFkDSABvBhq18WmskTB4HPJpgnOeaX Nq2z/i9VPL0U/qH9lpd0WIrR0o4Iay4qTr+V7b8SEkTh2dqFDjsofjKPYFYKzUvBKReD udpZcGxGBQa+hGh+Nbjl0oTcvt+Y6FLSeM9vg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=nD0q5m0DLm/B1XyCc764I+T10in1Jrl3w1BBcKd+anRfJGj9L/eSdkkduJnyEwIKws braNFWBQ6UR1nUYI6I7d+rmPrCHOJc5/C5/DRvDLw7nSGKPhWHWerlrAexqszm/Xz54d X+sFFgakQ20RLNkk782geuSi6IF/C+XvdzbxY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.27.20 with SMTP id a20mr1368737eba.76.1235202113883; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 23:41:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8bd755250902202341m426b9095m9506901e332c042e@mail.gmail.com> References: <813D636F-9F70-487C-B908-EAEFF8A74240@nokia.com> <8bd755250902160200m660f452kecadcf47455bcdb6@mail.gmail.com> <618e24240902161525w31a6aae7g390ecae4857316b3@mail.gmail.com> <8bd755250902202341m426b9095m9506901e332c042e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 15:41:53 +0800 Message-ID: <8bd755250902202341h320447d8ufb4669d85cb3b42d@mail.gmail.com> From: yunfei zhang To: "ppsp@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c0df0394efa046368e75a Subject: [ppsp] Fwd: bar BOF X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 07:41:41 -0000 --0015174c0df0394efa046368e75a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll post the minutes after the meeting(The meeting is postponed to the nex= t week due to time conflict).Wish to see you in SanFrancisco,Victor. Yunfei 2009/2/17, Victor Pascual =C1vila : > > 2009/2/16 yunfei zhang : > > Thanks so much for your kindly reminding.You are so considerate.We pl= an > to > > have another bar bof in SF and I will meet with pplive and huawei for > PPSP > > this week for the detailed contents we'd like to discuss in this bar bo= f. > > I'd be delighted if you would share the minutes of the meeting. > > Thanks, > -- > Victor Pascual =C1vila > --0015174c0df0394efa046368e75a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'll post the minutes after the meeting(The meeting is postponed t= o the next week due to time conflict).Wish to see you in SanFrancisco,Victo= r.
 
           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;   Yunfei

 
2009/2/17, Victor Pascual =C1vila <victor.pascual.avila@gmail.co= m>:=20
2009/2/16 yunfei zhang <hishigh@gmail.com>:
>   Thanks so much for your kindly reminding.You are so consid= erate.We plan to
> have another bar bof in SF and I will meet with pp= live and huawei for PPSP
> this week for the detailed contents we'= ;d like to discuss in this bar bof.

I'd be delighted if you would share the minutes of the meeting.
=
Thanks,
--
Victor Pascual =C1vila

--0015174c0df0394efa046368e75a-- From victor.pascual.avila@gmail.com Sat Feb 21 01:00:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73B2C3A688F for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 01:00:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id STlx7H5+WwlM for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 01:00:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.25]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA673A6873 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 01:00:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 25so192857eya.31 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 01:01:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=bcKhda472ngP66toWlR5HEaOOCP6HwyJxgdF19Y2e0I=; b=nd50YgoWJEHXlHMQfRrCqAN3aKUqfvVHCL2Uo0WB61fLY6FtNf6b5iQemxnyuwxXa5 DbixKInS3AeEkpwHdWRY7hhKLNqdpb6s161R4Q79m9QcDnIv0a+ug5xgrWXphFLjwddo oZz6lUVt6KXSpjtxYRVYqFqfxweNnShdK04yw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BMcr7IZY9ofE9YuRq2jd4iud6qn+6UMXKz76i2cc4IQFvujF8b6srP18BXWtcM6nLY /m5XKV4IHcWDa4Lhr+bWE6/wuI/nGtc+y8Sq23YzGqCn8XTZiempFeQJlf30goJelyOv HJqrJdXheCFYsJan/w1v9E33AXQVa1DKBU48w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.41.14 with SMTP id o14mr1407507ebo.134.1235206866054; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 01:01:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <499FBF8D.3070800@ericsson.com> References: <499FBF8D.3070800@ericsson.com> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 10:01:06 +0100 Message-ID: <618e24240902210101g72d6f2e7o15f5f629f352deff@mail.gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Victor_Pascual_=C3=81vila?= To: Gonzalo Camarillo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: ppsp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [ppsp] Draft on P2P architectures X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 09:00:53 -0000 Hi Gonzalo, On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote: > Folks, > > the IAB has just submitted the following draft: > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-p2p-archs-00.txt > > Comments from people involved in this mailing list are especially > appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Gonzalo it is an interesting document indeed. Thanks for the notice! Cheers, --=20 Victor Pascual =C3=81vila From hishigh@gmail.com Sun Feb 22 18:44:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 428EF3A6ABF for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:44:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_81=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LIHv9MuOYKYO for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:44:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B303A3A69E3 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:44:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id d3so333209nfc.39 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:45:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=m+E2+7tf3QXRofVZk3/x+KnaRvqxh5dN10VzhtGiodA=; b=WRwWd5VcA9fdsmpq/QVqOI/691pNHPL7cXUYEGKgi21P6Q2CKXPSRB/uSdVE4xtDyW ZF2j+5Vulu28AIVe4v1YnWWhkDmXv/eQjbvRAaMkp5oRr6bMwu0WPY56D8EcY5uf7dxl psxdlal7RX6RdcRhTxC3S5vo5YYDwgxWkyNPQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=M80QS7id9+uw2w2p29PLNAwkQd1qV7ae6Nv7FOyDOjOZ68eYe01bqMLKE4o5bfZCIT CFFhOvvoB2G4RLwvkSWRTVA48tp+bZgjgqxSAv/SgdvGmKooWgCmYrynAxJ4TR1FwC+S 1gwewb3flx1d4M+S8D0V5K1h4hfH89yodcOAs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.141.17 with SMTP id o17mr3043455ebd.89.1235357104159; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:45:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:45:04 +0800 Message-ID: <8bd755250902221845k1a552edu392964964b4015f3@mail.gmail.com> From: yunfei zhang To: "ppsp@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174bf0f85d3aa304638cfd9a Subject: [ppsp] a reference draft of PPSP X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 02:44:58 -0000 --0015174bf0f85d3aa304638cfd9a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all, ETRI guys submitted a draft of an IPTV Usage for RELOAD in P2PSIP WG( http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-softgear-p2psip-iptv-00.txt). Please see for reference. I have read the draft already and think it's a good starting point to discuss.In the author's view, the basic IPTV system architecture is client/server mode and only the search and registration of IPTV program information uses RELOAD.However I don't think the main problem to be solved in current IPTV can be answered by the solutions presented in this draft.In contrast,I believe that the main problem of IPTV (esp. for the live program) lies in what we discussed in the last PPSP bar bof ,i.e., how to balance the efficiency of delivery the programs and the scalability as well as realiability of the system. Different from VoIP which involves just locating the callee (bascially can use p2p)and direct call (bascially can use end-to-end communcication)between the two persons, IPTV and other p2p streaming applications involves more parties and more complex transcations both in signaling and in transmission among them. A general client/sever IPTV architecture with p2p type STATIC program inforamtion search is of little use. Just two cents. Yunfei --0015174bf0f85d3aa304638cfd9a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear all,
    ETRI guys submitted a  draft of an IPTV U= sage for RELOAD in P2PSIP WG(http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/dra= ft-softgear-p2psip-iptv-00.txt). Please see for reference.
    I have read the draft already and think it's a = good starting point to discuss.In the author's view, the basic IPTV sys= tem architecture is client/server mode and only the search and registration= of IPTV program information uses RELOAD.However I don't think the main= problem to be solved in current IPTV can be answered by the solutions= presented in this draft.In contrast,I believe that the main problem of IPT= V (esp. for the live program) lies in what we discussed in the last PP= SP bar bof ,i.e., how to balance the efficiency of delivery the programs an= d the scalability as well as realiability of the system. 
    Different from VoIP which involves just locating th= e callee (bascially can use p2p)and direct call (bascially can use end-to-e= nd communcication)between the two persons, IPTV and other p2p streaming app= lications involves more parties and more complex transcations both in signa= ling and in transmission among them. A general client/sever IPTV architectu= re with p2p type STATIC program inforamtion search is of little use.
     Just two cents.
 
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--0015174bf0f85d3aa304638cfd9a-- From hishigh@gmail.com Sun Feb 22 23:13:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F17B3A681D for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:13:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.241 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.241 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.057, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jgY3Ek+jZA6V for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:13:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.27]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E3EA3A6806 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:13:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 25so377310eya.31 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:13:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=+JUW9TDx5JFfofM/Cnibb4T7rKoCoTV4f6EoQz9hEkQ=; b=DDJTJDlwtWUcrNIdG8/kPZRPVW2Gi51xqsYjCKEVbMVWYEo8GMValkIAJ82xczT9C2 3qZ7yBUU+zJt2PblC52ZWC+wpZfQtYqdA0ceGccgnd9CJDx/uGYZmBPcVcm5a1eWiiPd 8WdIp8qzUlyRTVISLzSEB5aPadmVK5vKKue9s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=S+KA9BwGKTnJjDTP9pRP6i7F7HwSPuzMlRrBY8PJyBPfxCZ/lRsY/k1yYEcYDniT6w 9dqQkDnQY3SAdVhgLpyQ3S/43ZD0Mdorcnt/16wtq68i6xtV9mhQ6gTt/hjb/xQS8HXD vfPE1Yo0a2daM8FZz/Vpw0I6BgJvioHZtHmck= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.58.17 with SMTP id g17mr3203772eba.149.1235373233003; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:13:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <618e24240902210101g72d6f2e7o15f5f629f352deff@mail.gmail.com> References: <499FBF8D.3070800@ericsson.com> <618e24240902210101g72d6f2e7o15f5f629f352deff@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:13:52 +0800 Message-ID: <8bd755250902222313h5b43ce80y10f4eaccd8e31385@mail.gmail.com> From: yunfei zhang To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Victor_Pascual_=C1vila?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c0ecab7dfd4046390be80 Cc: ppsp@ietf.org, Gonzalo Camarillo Subject: Re: [ppsp] Draft on P2P architectures X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 07:13:38 -0000 --0015174c0ecab7dfd4046390be80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Happily to find my paper is cited in this draft:)Thanks,Gonzalo,I do think there needs a common understanding on p2p both in industrial and acamedic field esp. in mobile internet and NGI times where distributed manageable p2= p tech with good business model is very important.I'd like to contribute some extra text on this draft. Yunfei 2009/2/21, Victor Pascual =C1vila : > > Hi Gonzalo, > > On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo > wrote: > > Folks, > > > > the IAB has just submitted the following draft: > > > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-p2p-archs-00.txt > > > > Comments from people involved in this mailing list are especially > > appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Gonzalo > > it is an interesting document indeed. Thanks for the notice! > > Cheers, > -- > Victor Pascual =C1vila > _______________________________________________ > ppsp mailing list > ppsp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ppsp > --0015174c0ecab7dfd4046390be80 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Happily to find my paper is cited in this draft:)Thanks,Gonzalo,I do t= hink there needs a common understanding on p2p both in industrial and acame= dic field esp. in mobile internet and NGI times where distributed manageabl= e p2p tech with good business model is very important.I'd like to contr= ibute some extra text on this draft.
 
 
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2009/2/21, Victor Pascual =C1vila <victor.pascual.avila@gmail.co= m>:
Hi Gonzalo,

On Sat, Feb 2= 1, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo
<Gonzalo.Camarillo@ericsson.com> wrote:
> Folks,
>
> the IAB has just submitted the following draft:=
>
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-p2p-archs-00= .txt
>
> Comments from people involved in this mailing list are especia= lly
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gonzalo
it is an interesting document indeed. Thanks for the notice!

Cheers,
--
Victor Pascual =C1vila
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ppsp mailing list
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--0015174c0ecab7dfd4046390be80-- From gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com Sat Feb 21 00:47:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC6853A6C3E for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 00:47:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HO8urL3D05R9 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 00:47:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se (mailgw3.ericsson.se [193.180.251.60]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C72963A6B8B for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 00:47:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 0835A20492; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 09:47:15 +0100 (CET) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3c-ab285bb00000127c-22-499fbf92f09f Received: from esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.253.124]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id E04A2203C1; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 09:47:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.177]) by esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 21 Feb 2009 09:47:14 +0100 Received: from [164.48.166.41] ([164.48.166.41]) by esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 21 Feb 2009 09:47:14 +0100 Message-ID: <499FBF8D.3070800@ericsson.com> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 10:47:09 +0200 From: Gonzalo Camarillo User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ppsp@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2009 08:47:14.0271 (UTC) FILETIME=[FE372EF0:01C99400] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:20:15 -0800 Subject: [ppsp] Draft on P2P architectures X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 08:47:01 -0000 Folks, the IAB has just submitted the following draft: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-p2p-archs-00.txt Comments from people involved in this mailing list are especially appreciated. Thanks, Gonzalo From gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com Mon Feb 23 01:16:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B840828C1F3 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 01:16:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VQQ3HEnHwcID for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 01:16:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se (mailgw3.ericsson.se [193.180.251.60]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF0FD28C0EE for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 01:16:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 2EBC820DDA; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:16:37 +0100 (CET) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3c-ada8abb00000127c-b1-49a269752a0d Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 10DE0206B1; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:16:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.172]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:16:36 +0100 Received: from [131.160.37.44] ([131.160.37.44]) by esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:16:36 +0100 Message-ID: <49A26973.50405@ericsson.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:16:35 +0200 From: Gonzalo Camarillo User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: yunfei zhang References: <499FBF8D.3070800@ericsson.com> <618e24240902210101g72d6f2e7o15f5f629f352deff@mail.gmail.com> <8bd755250902222313h5b43ce80y10f4eaccd8e31385@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8bd755250902222313h5b43ce80y10f4eaccd8e31385@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2009 09:16:36.0673 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D83E310:01C99597] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:20:15 -0800 Cc: ppsp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [ppsp] Draft on P2P architectures X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:16:21 -0000 Hi, all comments are welcome. Thanks, Gonzalo yunfei zhang wrote: > Happily to find my paper is cited in this draft:)Thanks,Gonzalo,I do > think there needs a common understanding on p2p both in industrial and > acamedic field esp. in mobile internet and NGI times where distributed > manageable p2p tech with good business model is very important.I'd like > to contribute some extra text on this draft. > > > Yunfei > > > 2009/2/21, Victor Pascual Ávila >: > > Hi Gonzalo, > > On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo > > wrote: > > Folks, > > > > the IAB has just submitted the following draft: > > > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-p2p-archs-00.txt > > > > Comments from people involved in this mailing list are especially > > appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Gonzalo > > it is an interesting document indeed. Thanks for the notice! > > Cheers, > -- > Victor Pascual Ávila > _______________________________________________ > ppsp mailing list > ppsp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ppsp > >