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Hi Ning and all,

I have read the survey draft, bellow is my comments for your reference:


1. Would it be useful to include the popular web-based video sharing
website in the survey? For example, YouTube and www.youku.com (popular in
China) etc?
2. How about also include survey of the client-side implementation? Since
most of the popular video sharing online service is web-based, the
deployment of ppsp protocol in the browser side could be critical for the
successful adoption of ppsp by the industry.

Regards,
Dapeng Liu

------------------------------

Hi,

A new revision of PPSP survey has been uploaded. Please review and comments!

-Ning

> -----Original Message-----
> From: internet-drafts at ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts <internet-drafts> at ietf.org]
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 9:53 AM
> To: ppsp-chairs at tools.ietf.org; draft-ietf-ppsp-survey at tools.ietf.org;
> martin.stiemerling at neclab.eu
> Subject: New Version Notification - draft-ietf-ppsp-survey-04.txt
>
>
> A new version (-04) has been submitted for draft-ietf-ppsp-survey:
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ppsp-survey-04.txt
>
>
> The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ppsp-survey/
>
> Diff from previous version:
> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ppsp-survey-04
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> IETF Secretariat.


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<div>Hi Ning and all,</div><div><br></div><div>I have read the survey draft=
, bellow is my comments for your=A0reference:</div><ul style=3D"font-family=
:Simsun;font-size:medium"></ul><div>1. Would it be useful to include the po=
pular web-based video sharing website in the survey? For example, YouTube a=
nd <a href=3D"http://www.youku.com">www.youku.com</a> (popular in China) et=
c?</div>
<div>2. How about also include survey of the client-side implementation? Si=
nce most of the popular video sharing online service is web-based, the depl=
oyment of ppsp protocol in the browser side could be critical for the succe=
ssful adoption of ppsp by the industry.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Dapeng Liu</div><br><hr style=3D"fon=
t-family:Simsun;font-size:medium"><pre style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap;word-w=
rap:break-word;width:1266.296875px">Hi,

A new revision of PPSP survey has been uploaded. Please review and comments=
!

-Ning

&gt; -----Original Message-----
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rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts">mailto:internet-drafts</a>=
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&gt; Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 9:53 AM
&gt; To: ppsp-chairs at <a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org">tools.ietf.org</a=
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rg</a>;
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&gt; Subject: New Version Notification - draft-ietf-ppsp-survey-04.txt
&gt;=20
&gt;=20
&gt; A new version (-04) has been submitted for draft-ietf-ppsp-survey:
&gt; <a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-=
ietf-ppsp-survey-04.txt">http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pps=
p-survey-04.txt</a>
&gt;=20
&gt;=20
&gt; The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is:
&gt; <a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-iet=
f-ppsp-survey/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ppsp-survey/</a=
>
&gt;=20
&gt; Diff from previous version:
&gt; <a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-i=
etf-ppsp-survey-04">http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ppsp-surv=
ey-04</a>
&gt;=20
&gt; IETF Secretariat.</pre><div><br></div>-- <br><br>------<br>Best Regard=
s,<br>Dapeng Liu

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<DIV>Hi Arno and all, (Speaking as the co-author)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanks for the comments and Ning will update the=20
requirements part in next week.</DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B>&nbsp;<A href=3D"mailto:arno@cs.vu.nl">Arno Bakker</A></D=
IV>
<DIV><B>Date:</B>&nbsp;2013-02-27&nbsp;22:08</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B>&nbsp;<A href=3D"mailto:ppsp@ietf.org">ppsp@ietf.org</A></D=
IV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B>&nbsp;Re: [ppsp] New Version Notification for=20
draft-ietf-ppsp-problem-statement-13.txt</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>On&nbsp;26/02/2013&nbsp;16:31,&nbsp;stefano&nbsp;previdi&nbsp;wrote:<=
/DIV>
<DIV>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;&nbsp;Please,&nbsp;have&nbsp;a&nbsp;look&nbsp;at&nbsp;the&nbsp;dr=
aft:</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-=
ppsp-problem-statement-13.txt</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;&nbsp;and&nbsp;come&nbsp;back&nbsp;to&nbsp;the&nbsp;list&nbsp;wit=
h&nbsp;any&nbsp;comment.</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Hi&nbsp;all</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I&nbsp;have&nbsp;the&nbsp;following&nbsp;comments:</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>*&nbsp;PPSP.OAM.REQ-1:&nbsp;PPSP&nbsp;MUST&nbsp;be&nbsp;sufficiently&=
nbsp;configurable&nbsp;for&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>installation&nbsp;and&nbsp;initial&nbsp;setup.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I&nbsp;don't&nbsp;get&nbsp;the&nbsp;reference&nbsp;to&nbsp;"initial&n=
bsp;setup"&nbsp;there.&nbsp;I&nbsp;suggest</DIV>
<DIV>to&nbsp;make&nbsp;the&nbsp;requirement&nbsp;"sufficiently&nbsp;config=
urable"&nbsp;(which&nbsp;is&nbsp;=20
</DIV>
<DIV>what&nbsp;we&nbsp;strived&nbsp;for&nbsp;with&nbsp;different&nbsp;chun=
k&nbsp;addressing,&nbsp;content</DIV>
<DIV>protection&nbsp;methods)&nbsp;and&nbsp;state&nbsp;that&nbsp;the&nbsp;=
configuration&nbsp;should</DIV>
<DIV>allow&nbsp;the&nbsp;proxy-based&nbsp;and&nbsp;end-client&nbsp;scenari=
os.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>*&nbsp;PPSP.OAM.REQ-2:&nbsp;PPSP&nbsp;MUST&nbsp;implement&nbsp;a&nbsp=
;set&nbsp;of&nbsp;configuration&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>parameters&nbsp;with&nbsp;default&nbsp;values.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>IMHO&nbsp;the&nbsp;descriptive&nbsp;text&nbsp;doesn't&nbsp;add&nbsp;a=
nything&nbsp;and&nbsp;suggest&nbsp;it</DIV>
<DIV>be&nbsp;removed.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>*&nbsp;PPSP.OAM.REQ-3:&nbsp;PPSP&nbsp;MUST&nbsp;be&nbsp;capable&nbsp;=
of&nbsp;controlling&nbsp;traffic&nbsp;load&nbsp;to</DIV>
<DIV>existing&nbsp;networks.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I&nbsp;suggest&nbsp;to&nbsp;rephrase&nbsp;this&nbsp;to&nbsp;"PPSP&nbs=
p;SHOULD&nbsp;allow&nbsp;steering&nbsp;by</DIV>
<DIV>network-load&nbsp;management&nbsp;protocols."&nbsp;Current&nbsp;phras=
ing&nbsp;I&nbsp;find</DIV>
<DIV>unclear&nbsp;and&nbsp;very&nbsp;restrictive&nbsp;with&nbsp;the&nbsp;M=
UST&nbsp;clause.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>*&nbsp;PPSP.OAM.REQ-4:&nbsp;PPSP&nbsp;MUST&nbsp;support&nbsp;diagnost=
ic&nbsp;operations.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Typo:&nbsp;"correct&nbsp;operations"&nbsp;-&gt;&nbsp;"correct&nbsp;op=
eration"</DIV>
<DIV>Typo:&nbsp;"*The*&nbsp;PPSP&nbsp;tracker&nbsp;should"</DIV>
<DIV>Rephrase:&nbsp;"obtained&nbsp;chunks&nbsp;in&nbsp;due&nbsp;time"&nbsp=
;-&gt;&nbsp;"whether&nbsp;it&nbsp;obtained</DIV>
<DIV>chunks&nbsp;in&nbsp;time".</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>*&nbsp;PPSP.OAM.REQ-5:&nbsp;PPSP&nbsp;MUST&nbsp;facilitate&nbsp;achie=
ving&nbsp;quality&nbsp;acceptable&nbsp;to</DIV>
<DIV>streaming&nbsp;application.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I&nbsp;have&nbsp;problems&nbsp;with&nbsp;the&nbsp;last&nbsp;paragraph=
&nbsp;about&nbsp;scalable</DIV>
<DIV>streaming.&nbsp;To&nbsp;me,&nbsp;it&nbsp;suggests&nbsp;scalable&nbsp;=
streaming&nbsp;should&nbsp;be</DIV>
<DIV>supported.&nbsp;I&nbsp;suggest&nbsp;to&nbsp;rephrase&nbsp;to&nbsp;"PP=
SP&nbsp;implementations&nbsp;MAY</DIV>
<DIV>use&nbsp;techniques&nbsp;such&nbsp;as&nbsp;scalable&nbsp;streaming&nb=
sp;to&nbsp;handle&nbsp;bandwidth</DIV>
<DIV>shortages&nbsp;without&nbsp;disrupting&nbsp;playback."</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Typo:&nbsp;"to&nbsp;streaming&nbsp;application"&nbsp;-&gt;&nbsp;"to&n=
bsp;*the*&nbsp;streaming&nbsp;..."=20
</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>*&nbsp;PPSP.OAM.REQ-6:&nbsp;PPSP&nbsp;MUST&nbsp;support&nbsp;remote&n=
bsp;management&nbsp;using</DIV>
<DIV>centralized&nbsp;server,&nbsp;i.e.&nbsp;PPSP&nbsp;tracker.&nbsp;A&nbs=
p;basic&nbsp;set&nbsp;of&nbsp;management</DIV>
<DIV>information&nbsp;MUST&nbsp;be&nbsp;implemented&nbsp;by&nbsp;PPSP&nbsp=
;tracker.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The&nbsp;wording&nbsp;suggests&nbsp;a&nbsp;centralized&nbsp;design&nb=
sp;where&nbsp;all&nbsp;management</DIV>
<DIV>operations&nbsp;are&nbsp;done&nbsp;via&nbsp;the&nbsp;tracker.&nbsp;Th=
is&nbsp;image&nbsp;is&nbsp;not&nbsp;correct</DIV>
<DIV>IMHO.&nbsp;A&nbsp;tracker&nbsp;service&nbsp;can&nbsp;play&nbsp;an&nbs=
p;important&nbsp;role&nbsp;in&nbsp;managing</DIV>
<DIV>a&nbsp;swarm.&nbsp;E.g.&nbsp;it&nbsp;can&nbsp;be&nbsp;used&nbsp;to&nb=
sp;control&nbsp;publication&nbsp;of&nbsp;a&nbsp;swarm,</DIV>
<DIV>or&nbsp;to&nbsp;monitor&nbsp;the&nbsp;health&nbsp;of&nbsp;the&nbsp;sw=
arm.&nbsp;Hence&nbsp;it&nbsp;should&nbsp;have&nbsp;a</DIV>
<DIV>standard&nbsp;management&nbsp;interface&nbsp;that&nbsp;supports&nbsp;=
such&nbsp;functionality.</DIV>
<DIV>This&nbsp;interface&nbsp;should&nbsp;take&nbsp;into&nbsp;account&nbsp=
;that&nbsp;the&nbsp;tracker</DIV>
<DIV>*service*&nbsp;may&nbsp;be&nbsp;implemented&nbsp;by&nbsp;multiple&nbs=
p;*servers*.&nbsp;However,</DIV>
<DIV>PPSP&nbsp;should&nbsp;also&nbsp;support&nbsp;tracker-less&nbsp;design=
s&nbsp;and&nbsp;should&nbsp;define</DIV>
<DIV>a&nbsp;management&nbsp;interface&nbsp;for&nbsp;(farms&nbsp;of)&nbsp;P=
PSP&nbsp;seeders.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I&nbsp;suggest&nbsp;to&nbsp;rephrase&nbsp;the&nbsp;requirement&nbsp;s=
o&nbsp;that&nbsp;the&nbsp;tracker</DIV>
<DIV>service&nbsp;and&nbsp;PPSP&nbsp;seeders&nbsp;should&nbsp;have&nbsp;a&=
nbsp;remote&nbsp;management</DIV>
<DIV>interface.&nbsp;Current&nbsp;descriptive&nbsp;text&nbsp;should&nbsp;b=
e&nbsp;tweaked&nbsp;to</DIV>
<DIV>explain&nbsp;the&nbsp;unique&nbsp;position&nbsp;of&nbsp;the&nbsp;trac=
ker&nbsp;(sees&nbsp;both&nbsp;clients</DIV>
<DIV>and&nbsp;PPSP&nbsp;seeders).</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>*&nbsp;PPSP.OAM.REQ-9:&nbsp;PPSP&nbsp;MUST&nbsp;support&nbsp;accounti=
ng&nbsp;management&nbsp;when&nbsp;content</DIV>
<DIV>provider&nbsp;wants&nbsp;to&nbsp;charge&nbsp;clients&nbsp;for&nbsp;ce=
rtain&nbsp;content.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I&nbsp;suggest&nbsp;to&nbsp;change&nbsp;the&nbsp;"MUST"&nbsp;to&nbsp;=
a&nbsp;"MAY"&nbsp;or&nbsp;"SHOULD&nbsp;allow</DIV>
<DIV>accounting&nbsp;management".</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>CU,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Arno</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>_______________________________________________</DIV>
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