From nobody Fri Nov 7 01:53:15 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F19BD1ACF70 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 01:53:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.494 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.494 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, CN_BODY_35=0.339, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aUI6Vh0wFTOa for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 01:53:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 619331ACF6F for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 01:53:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml405-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BOM84721; Fri, 07 Nov 2014 09:53:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML404-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.35) by lhreml405-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.242) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 09:53:05 +0000 Received: from NKGEML501-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.21]) by nkgeml404-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.35]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 17:52:57 +0800 From: Xiajinwei To: "arno@cs.vu.nl" , "Prof. Rui Santos Cruz Eng." Thread-Topic: [ppsp] Comment on base tracker protocol binary encoding Thread-Index: AQHP8cFuPnBVax7GLUSkdeRUzJUV55xDKuyAgAAo1ICAAAJ2AIAAO8yAgBFp8HA= Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 09:52:57 +0000 Message-ID: References: <544E02A0.9060100@cs.vu.nl> <51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB8624D461@nkgeml501-mbs.china.huawei.com> <544E35AF.3060906@cs.vu.nl> <74AA096A-8315-4348-88B2-BE6514379E45@ieee.org> <544E69E9.2020609@cs.vu.nl> In-Reply-To: <544E69E9.2020609@cs.vu.nl> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.138.41.164] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ppsp/mxecnSAd1l7sYUVjUYiE9JzX1WQ Cc: ppsp Subject: [ppsp] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogIENvbW1lbnQgb24gYmFzZSB0cmFja2VyIHBy?= =?gb2312?b?b3RvY29sIGJpbmFyeSBlbmNvZGluZw==?= X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2014 09:53:12 -0000 SGkgQXJubywNCg0KV2UgY2FuIG1vdmUgdGhlIHNwZWNpZmljIGVuY29kaW5nIGludG8gYXBwZW5k aWNlcywgaWYgc28sIHRoZSBjb250ZW50IGluIGFwcGVuZGl4IGlzIGp1c3QgaW5mb3JtYXRpdmUs IG5vdCBub3JtYXRpdmUuIEJ1dCBpbiBteSBtaW5kLCB0aGUgYWN0dWFsIGltcGxlbWVudGF0aW9u IG1heSBub3QgdXNlIHRoZSBjb2Rlcy4NCg0KQlINCkppbndlaQ0KDQoNCj4gLS0tLS3Tyrz+1K28 /i0tLS0tDQo+ILeivP7IyzogcHBzcCBbbWFpbHRvOnBwc3AtYm91bmNlc0BpZXRmLm9yZ10gtPqx 7SBBcm5vIEJha2tlcg0KPiC3osvNyrG85DogMjAxNMTqMTDUwjI3yNUgMjM6NTENCj4gytW8/sjL OiBQcm9mLiBSdWkgU2FudG9zIENydXogRW5nLg0KPiCzrcvNOiBwcHNwDQo+INb3zOI6IFJlOiBb cHBzcF0gQ29tbWVudCBvbiBiYXNlIHRyYWNrZXIgcHJvdG9jb2wgYmluYXJ5IGVuY29kaW5nDQo+ IA0KPiBPbiAyNy8xMC8yMDE0IDEzOjE3LCBQcm9mLiBSdWkgU2FudG9zIENydXogRW5nLiB3cm90 ZToNCj4gPiBUaGUgaWRlYSBmb3IgdGhlIG5ldyBzcGVjaWZpY2F0aW9uIG9mIHRoZSBwcm90b2Nv bCwgd2FzIHRvIGF2b2lkDQo+ID4gc3VnZ2VzdGlvbnMgb2YgZW5jb2RpbmcsIGxlYXZpbmcgdGhh dCB0byBpbXBsZW1lbnRhdGlvbi4NCj4gPiBUaGVlIG1haW4gcmVhc29ucyBmb3IgZGVsYXlpbmcg dGhlIGFwcHJvdmFsIHByb2Nlc3Mgb2YgcHJldmlvdXMNCj4gPiB2ZXJzaW9ucyBvZiB0aGUgZHJh ZnQgd2FzIGZvciBoYXZpbmcgaW5jbHVkZWQgc3VnZ2VzdGlvbnMgb2YgZW5jb2RpbmcNCj4gPiAo dGV4dCBvciBiaW5hcnkpLg0KPiA+DQo+IA0KPiBIaQ0KPiANCj4gSSBkaWQgbm90IGZvbGxvdyB0 aGUgd2hvbGUgZGlzY3Vzc2lvbiwgYnV0IHRoZSBkcmFmdCBzaG91bGQgYmUgc3VjaCB0aGF0DQo+ IGludGVyb3BlcmFibGUgaW1wbGVtZW50YXRpb25zIGNhbiBiZSBtYWRlLiBXZXJlbid0IHRoZSBl bmNvZGluZ3Mgc3VwcG9zZWQNCj4gdG8gZ28gaW50byBhcHBlbmRpY2VzPw0KPiANCj4gQ1UsDQo+ ICAgICBBcm5vDQo+IA0KPiBfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fXw0KPiBwcHNwIG1haWxpbmcgbGlzdA0KPiBwcHNwQGlldGYub3JnDQo+IGh0dHBzOi8v d3d3LmlldGYub3JnL21haWxtYW4vbGlzdGluZm8vcHBzcA0K From nobody Fri Nov 7 06:40:15 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E15B1A1BE9 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 06:40:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.25 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.25 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qYeBcb56deAQ for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 06:40:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailin.vu.nl (mailin.vu.nl [130.37.164.18]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F8671A1BA4 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 06:40:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from PEXHB011B.vu.local (130.37.236.65) by mailin.vu.nl (130.37.164.18) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.174.1; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 15:40:09 +0100 Received: from [145.100.100.60] (130.37.253.20) by mails.vu.nl (130.37.236.65) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.174.1; Fri, 7 Nov 2014 15:40:09 +0100 Message-ID: <545CD9DB.9070104@cs.vu.nl> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 15:40:27 +0100 From: Arno Bakker User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Xiajinwei , "Prof. Rui Santos Cruz Eng." References: <544E02A0.9060100@cs.vu.nl> <51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB8624D461@nkgeml501-mbs.china.huawei.com> <544E35AF.3060906@cs.vu.nl> <74AA096A-8315-4348-88B2-BE6514379E45@ieee.org> <544E69E9.2020609@cs.vu.nl> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="GB2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [130.37.253.20] Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ppsp/PL8pt8Q6ZOj7NT4erZ2so4S89lM Cc: ppsp Subject: Re: [ppsp] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogIENvbW1lbnQgb24gYmFzZSB0cmFja2VyIHBy?= =?gb2312?b?b3RvY29sIGJpbmFyeSBlbmNvZGluZw==?= X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: arno@cs.vu.nl List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2014 14:40:14 -0000 On 07/11/2014 10:52, Xiajinwei wrote: > Hi Arno, > > We can move the specific encoding into appendices, if so, the content > in appendix is just informative, not normative. But in my mind, the > actual implementation may not use the codes. > Hi IMHO, for people to build interoperable implementations at least one encoding needs to be mandatory to implement. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, For those who will do presentation (locally or remotely) during PPSP sessio= n, could you please send slides to Yunfei and I by Tuesday evening (Honolul= u time). 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Hi,

 

For those who will do presentat= ion (locally or remotely) during PPSP session, could you please send slides= to Yunfei and I by Tuesday evening (Honolulu time).

 

Thanks.

 

-ning

--_000_B0D29E0424F2DE47A0B36779EC666779661DA736nkgeml501mbschi_-- From nobody Wed Nov 12 18:23:23 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F6C91A1AF2 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:23:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fq6i9fyhQ7Ph for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:23:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wg0-x233.google.com (mail-wg0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70BD41A1B04 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:23:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wg0-f51.google.com with SMTP id l18so16051362wgh.10 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:23:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MA+83IheHfhguD38Tf3E0TwwShL973GiI/nxHKeLkF0=; b=s3yhuyW0yUjv2hFdiDsXgezORZotNONHarg8kl73AEcS7warJ1M0+dSRqCPboi6ixt b9MKLznaDfXXhU51k0Cmb9Rl14bhag+r3jhU/JlObnXSpxcVW0Fc9yyNnuJUZ/SzLe26 ybWgeJiSrWXfaMUTbiPcqg/hXdgRnK+eNmvAk2qlLSKGGDdZegoL6rI9JFKXDfr/ebb/ Gg5XJAZpbZLf7MaTUjpSTm09ST7X0C62l8AKagPxzh70NjjESBdEPX32ur7RyAGStceB Yys9pYnTLeP3GmfKYYYBtD/Pho0Gu++WPExRLJ2NTTZG8nDIr2cury4w5Pz/MfRLoSjs ZYWA== X-Received: by 10.194.19.4 with SMTP id a4mr67849592wje.3.1415845397276; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:23:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-9bef.meeting.ietf.org (t2001067c03700152b5ba6174cf38422e.eduroam.v6.meeting.ietf.org. [2001:67c:370:152:b5ba:6174:cf38:422e]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id l10sm23781411wif.20.2014.11.12.18.23.15 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:23:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54641612.5000109@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 16:23:14 -1000 From: Martin Stiemerling User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ppsp@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ppsp/GiZjXck7C0Uq0QuHJVRkOZag81A Subject: [ppsp] Winding down the PPSP working group X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 02:23:22 -0000 Dear all, I have observed the work of the PPSP working group for the last year and also the overall activity level of the working group, including the WG sessions at the various IETF meetings. The energy in the WG is extremely low which can be seen on the low amount of discussions going on the mailing list, despite the fact that there are outstanding issues to be discussed, e.g., the encoding of the base tracker protocol. Plus the very slow progress of most, but not all, WG documents. The base tracker protocol is still in roughly the same shape as 6 months ago and the work item "usage guide" is not handled as part of any working group draft. Therefore, I had a longer conversation with the chairs, where we discussed the current state of the working group, leading me to this conclusion: The WG as whole has still time to work on and potentially complete their work items, but this time is **very** limited: The work on the remaining work items has to start **now** and the main work must be done by end of February 2015. Let me know if there any questions or comments from your side. Thanks, Martin Stiemerling -- your responsible Area Director From nobody Wed Nov 12 18:27:14 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0701A1AD9 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:27:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6XIgIa45G3JN for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:27:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wg0-x22f.google.com (mail-wg0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCC461A1AD3 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:27:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wg0-f47.google.com with SMTP id a1so15733719wgh.20 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:27:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=w+BrDQKqXnqGLEamf02E/sjJKp6SKrRMCc85QQBWv1U=; b=SEAYp0NA7R4yD3SjsOGZvLdI/dsKqIMlaMPNQzpLYIHAnM0C2qDoX136i+GMqhelHB 9EcM7zSbFDCCgpyFPucuzYDwntCvbiYsyCWlTqxeLB6i9nZEQ7cPvtyvOmoZ1/1aPMlV Rll9I/IUucmfcInNe4eWS3psTvw5ZcLMyJxfsy8G/93vnqPiQec8Gn/fjBkPla+ub7/P vwgZT3dWhpQk12smWv38H6ihQgN/IxBoFyeYXSDBu8bE99k2a2q0VSQU78eMMC0QC2pv 6a3DjSGeOoxQpx56Rmj8qbu5UGibz+WYHR3Dav2l8irl8tyvrx9IsgFJV2e9sB9yj1+T NzGQ== X-Received: by 10.194.92.116 with SMTP id cl20mr13790982wjb.71.1415845628709; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:27:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-9bef.meeting.ietf.org (t2001067c03700152b5ba6174cf38422e.eduroam.v6.meeting.ietf.org. [2001:67c:370:152:b5ba:6174:cf38:422e]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id cv7sm33637661wjc.3.2014.11.12.18.27.04 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:27:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <546416F6.5000506@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 16:27:02 -1000 From: Martin Stiemerling User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Prof. Rui Santos Cruz Eng." References: <544E02A0.9060100@cs.vu.nl> <51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB8624D461@nkgeml501-mbs.china.huawei.com> <544E35AF.3060906@cs.vu.nl> <74AA096A-8315-4348-88B2-BE6514379E45@ieee.org> In-Reply-To: <74AA096A-8315-4348-88B2-BE6514379E45@ieee.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ppsp/0LSl4uqKqJ12mu2S1Zie3h6eOlU Cc: ppsp Subject: Re: [ppsp] Comment on base tracker protocol binary encoding X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 02:27:11 -0000 [writing as an individual, not as your Area Director] Sorry for getting so late to this email, but: Am 27.10.14 um 02:17 schrieb Prof. Rui Santos Cruz Eng.: > The idea for the new specification of the protocol, was to avoid > suggestions of encoding, leaving that to implementation. No encoding, means no protocol, means no standard. Get started on finding consensus on a protocol encoding right now. Otherwise, we can just abandon the tracker protocol draft. Martin From nobody Wed Nov 12 18:27:56 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 203301A1AD9 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:27:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.794 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.794 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KsoWwQFZawWs for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:27:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C544D1A1AD3 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:27:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml405-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BOS43245; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 02:27:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML404-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.35) by lhreml405-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.242) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 02:27:49 +0000 Received: from NKGEML501-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.21]) by nkgeml404-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.35]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 10:27:43 +0800 From: Zongning To: "ppsp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Call for WG consensus on Tracker Protocol encoding Thread-Index: Ac/+6XHitTUE4yIXTIW0IaBSD9/HLg== Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 02:27:42 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.47.138.215] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_B0D29E0424F2DE47A0B36779EC666779661DB7CEnkgeml501mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ppsp/u-zudCwl6aN4cK0A3D8WhXgsCs8 Subject: [ppsp] Call for WG consensus on Tracker Protocol encoding X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 02:27:54 -0000 --_000_B0D29E0424F2DE47A0B36779EC666779661DB7CEnkgeml501mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, all, Firstly, thanks to the co-authors of Base Tracker Protocol for persistently= moving the draft forward. Now the outstanding issue is that as a Standard Track document, we really N= EED to agree on a mandatory encoding for the interoperable on-the-wire Trac= ker Protocol. As discussed in the PPSP session today, we will start WGLC fo= r the draft, provided that we can reach a rough consensus on the encoding o= ption and the co-authors revise the draft accordingly. Currently we have two options mentioned in the draft - they are text based = and binary based. For an exemplary comparison, please see Section 3.1 in th= e draft. Could folks in the group give their opinions on which encoding opt= ion is preferred for Tracker Protocol, and why? People are welcome to give = other options beyond text and binary, but please do show us the reason for = choosing them. The during of this call will not last too long, before the co-chairs will m= ake a decision. So, please do contribute your technical expertise in this p= erspective, to enlight the group. Thanks. -Yunfei & Ning --_000_B0D29E0424F2DE47A0B36779EC666779661DB7CEnkgeml501mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, all,

 

Firstly, thanks to the co-autho= rs of Base Tracker Protocol for persistently moving the draft forward.=

 

Now the outstanding issue is th= at as a Standard Track document, we really NEED to agree on a mandatory enc= oding for the interoperable on-the-wire Tracker Protocol. As discussed in t= he PPSP session today, we will start WGLC for the draft, provided that we can reach a rough consensus on the en= coding option and the co-authors revise the draft accordingly.

 

Currently we have two options m= entioned in the draft – they are text based and binary based. For an = exemplary comparison, please see Section 3.1 in the draft. Could folks in t= he group give their opinions on which encoding option is preferred for Tracker Protocol, and why? People are welcome to g= ive other options beyond text and binary, but please do show us the reason = for choosing them.

 

The during of this call will no= t last too long, before the co-chairs will make a decision. So, please do c= ontribute your technical expertise in this perspective, to enlight the grou= p.

 

Thanks.

 

-Yunfei & Ning

--_000_B0D29E0424F2DE47A0B36779EC666779661DB7CEnkgeml501mbschi_-- From nobody Thu Nov 13 00:05:17 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 383971A3B9F for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 00:05:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.794 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.794 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M_OmTPLisvdX for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 00:04:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 429AA1A1C03 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 00:04:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml405-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BOS70054; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 08:04:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML401-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.32) by lhreml405-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.242) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 08:04:55 +0000 Received: from NKGEML501-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.21]) by nkgeml401-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.32]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 16:04:47 +0800 From: "Huangyihong (Rachel)" To: Zongning , "ppsp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Call for WG consensus on Tracker Protocol encoding Thread-Index: Ac/+6XHitTUE4yIXTIW0IaBSD9/HLgALRSJw Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 08:04:47 +0000 Message-ID: <51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB86251329@nkgeml501-mbs.china.huawei.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.138.41.144] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB86251329nkgeml501mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ppsp/5WoJ9aVmi2vxiPhzx8v4H13_mL0 Subject: Re: [ppsp] Call for WG consensus on Tracker Protocol encoding X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 08:05:03 -0000 --_000_51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB86251329nkgeml501mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, IMHO, text encoding makes more sense to me. It's prevalently used in applic= ation protocols over HTTP (e.g., alto protocol). And maybe we could use sta= ndard languages, like JSON or YANG to specify our messages (not just curren= t C language). As for the efficiency issue, it may be more efficient when = parsing the binary encoding than text encoding. But the advantage is very l= imited from my point of view. And I don't see such efficient issue raised = in current web servers (which accept text encoding). BR, Rachel From: ppsp [mailto:ppsp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Zongning Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 10:28 AM To: ppsp@ietf.org Subject: [ppsp] Call for WG consensus on Tracker Protocol encoding Hi, all, Firstly, thanks to the co-authors of Base Tracker Protocol for persistently= moving the draft forward. Now the outstanding issue is that as a Standard Track document, we really N= EED to agree on a mandatory encoding for the interoperable on-the-wire Trac= ker Protocol. As discussed in the PPSP session today, we will start WGLC fo= r the draft, provided that we can reach a rough consensus on the encoding o= ption and the co-authors revise the draft accordingly. Currently we have two options mentioned in the draft - they are text based = and binary based. For an exemplary comparison, please see Section 3.1 in th= e draft. Could folks in the group give their opinions on which encoding opt= ion is preferred for Tracker Protocol, and why? People are welcome to give = other options beyond text and binary, but please do show us the reason for = choosing them. The during of this call will not last too long, before the co-chairs will m= ake a decision. So, please do contribute your technical expertise in this p= erspective, to enlight the group. Thanks. -Yunfei & Ning --_000_51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB86251329nkgeml501mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi &nbs= p;all,

&n= bsp;

IMHO, t= ext encoding makes more sense to me. It’s prevalently used in applica= tion protocols over HTTP (e.g., alto protocol). And maybe we could use stan= dard languages, like JSON or YANG to specify our messages (not just current C language). As for the efficiency issue,&n= bsp; it may be more efficient when parsing the binary encoding than text en= coding. But the advantage is very limited from my point of view. And I don&= #8217;t see such  efficient issue raised in current web servers (which accept text encoding).

&n= bsp;

BR,

Rachel<= o:p>

&n= bsp;

From: ppsp [mailto= :ppsp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Zongning
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 10:28 AM
To: ppsp@ietf.org
Subject: [ppsp] Call for WG consensus on Tracker Protocol encoding

 

Hi, all,

 

Firstly, thanks to the co-autho= rs of Base Tracker Protocol for persistently moving the draft forward.=

 

Now the outstanding issue is th= at as a Standard Track document, we really NEED to agree on a mandatory enc= oding for the interoperable on-the-wire Tracker Protocol. As discussed in t= he PPSP session today, we will start WGLC for the draft, provided that we can reach a rough consensus on the en= coding option and the co-authors revise the draft accordingly.

 

Currently we have two options m= entioned in the draft – they are text based and binary based. For an = exemplary comparison, please see Section 3.1 in the draft. Could folks in t= he group give their opinions on which encoding option is preferred for Tracker Protocol, and why? People are welcome to g= ive other options beyond text and binary, but please do show us the reason = for choosing them.

 

The during of this call will no= t last too long, before the co-chairs will make a decision. So, please do c= ontribute your technical expertise in this perspective, to enlight the grou= p.

 

Thanks.

 

-Yunfei & Ning

--_000_51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB86251329nkgeml501mbschi_-- From nobody Thu Nov 13 05:14:12 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77ADF1A871A for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 05:14:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9yiLByU27LE2 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 05:14:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-la0-x230.google.com (mail-la0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9CF141A8710 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 05:14:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-la0-f48.google.com with SMTP id gq15so13421484lab.35 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 05:14:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=Cqoh4Q6UU53fUn+oGuiR0UZBbrrWCO2iqylLSNaWDXc=; b=Co22RNknWWRwULuaaj9ny8H010uGk0dv3SHaMIi4DDNEM92cQCsZblglmTOppQIZoW 8hqRXtY6JB9sLOpWx7mB8pj+YcPz8eIpggXHuVZ2sWPZyComE9JhCVPa93+ZoXagNSsc 4hqVHT0U4l6ZDTCTcVEdZ8xidUPqbtayM/J/FOX7H6iztLfwr88gHif/W1GXmK8hlklZ YR55ASQvPfQgnWQ7WsbFJQNWedkVS3oa1Fi42y34TgORo1zQYspG3xi3SkZg08wuDnve +zz7wTNWnsEL9uqX9pc5nVQ3dZ7VccQUm0wvzcGY2WuLUxonAXk41r3hyFiY2TCidLtr /Rag== X-Received: by 10.112.138.39 with SMTP id qn7mr2348135lbb.57.1415884443747; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 05:14:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB86251329@nkgeml501-mbs.china.huawei.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jo=C3=A3o_Pedro_Taveira?= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 13:14:03 +0000 Message-ID: To: "Huangyihong (Rachel)" , Zongning , "ppsp@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e011614ec500d950507bd4915 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ppsp/grykJTCOAa5k9ygMlHYBv3rYiUA Subject: Re: [ppsp] Call for WG consensus on Tracker Protocol encoding X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 13:14:10 -0000 --089e011614ec500d950507bd4915 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi to all, About the specification language to used, I don't prefer this or other language. Arno already sugested XDR and Rachel sugested JSON or YANG. I think that base protocol is well defined in high level point of view. The main issue is on-the-wired encoding. Personally, I prefer binary encoded protocols. They are compact, and if well defined, they are simple and very efficient. The problem is that they are complex to use and/or implement. The Tracker Protocol should be text encoded (imho, JSON) on-the-wired over HTTP, for now. This will allow faster testing and adoption. Since messages are historically defined in a hierarchical way from XML sharing elements, we will be able to discuss binaries hierarchical structures (e.g. mp4box or something like icmp) to get a binary encoding that match current abstract protocol. For now, I think we should use JSON over HTTP. Best Regards, Jo=C3=A3o Pedro Taveira On Thu Nov 13 2014 at 8:05:21 AM Huangyihong (Rachel) < rachel.huang@huawei.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > > > IMHO, text encoding makes more sense to me. It=E2=80=99s prevalently used= in > application protocols over HTTP (e.g., alto protocol). And maybe we could > use standard languages, like JSON or YANG to specify our messages (not ju= st > current C language). As for the efficiency issue, it may be more efficie= nt > when parsing the binary encoding than text encoding. But the advantage is > very limited from my point of view. And I don=E2=80=99t see such efficie= nt issue > raised in current web servers (which accept text encoding). > > > > BR, > > Rachel > > > > *From:* ppsp [mailto:ppsp-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Zongning > *Sent:* Thursday, November 13, 2014 10:28 AM > *To:* ppsp@ietf.org > *Subject:* [ppsp] Call for WG consensus on Tracker Protocol encoding > > > > Hi, all, > > > > Firstly, thanks to the co-authors of Base Tracker Protocol for > persistently moving the draft forward. > > > > Now the outstanding issue is that as a Standard Track document, we really > NEED to agree on a mandatory encoding for the interoperable on-the-wire > Tracker Protocol. As discussed in the PPSP session today, we will start > WGLC for the draft, provided that we can reach a rough consensus on the > encoding option and the co-authors revise the draft accordingly. > > > > Currently we have two options mentioned in the draft =E2=80=93 they are t= ext based > and binary based. For an exemplary comparison, please see Section 3.1 in > the draft. Could folks in the group give their opinions on which encoding > option is preferred for Tracker Protocol, and why? People are welcome to > give other options beyond text and binary, but please do show us the reas= on > for choosing them. > > > > The during of this call will not last too long, before the co-chairs will > make a decision. So, please do contribute your technical expertise in thi= s > perspective, to enlight the group. > > > > Thanks. > > > > -Yunfei & Ning > _______________________________________________ > ppsp mailing list > ppsp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ppsp > --089e011614ec500d950507bd4915 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi to all,

About the specification language to used, I d= on't prefer this or other language. Arno already sugested XDR and Rache= l sugested JSON or YANG. I think that base protocol is well defined in high= level point of view. The main issue is on-the-wired encoding.=C2=A0
Personally, I prefer binary encoded protocols. They are compact, and if we= ll defined, they are simple and very efficient. The problem is that they ar= e complex to use and/or implement.

The Tracker Protocol should be te= xt encoded=C2=A0(imho, JSON) on-the-wired over HTTP, for now. This will all= ow faster testing and adoption. Since messages are historically defined in = a hierarchical way from XML sharing elements, we will be able to discuss bi= naries hierarchical structures (e.g. mp4box or something like icmp) to get = a binary encoding that match current abstract protocol.

For now, I think we should use JSON over HTTP.

Best Regards,
Jo=C3=A3o Pedro Taveira

On Thu Nov 13 2014 at 8:05:21 AM Huangyihong (Rachel) <= rachel.huang@huawei.com> = wrote:

Hi =C2= =A0all,

= =C2=A0

IMHO, t= ext encoding makes more sense to me. It=E2=80=99s prevalently used in appli= cation protocols over HTTP (e.g., alto protocol). And maybe we could use st= andard languages, like JSON or YANG to specify our messages (not just current C language). As for the efficiency issue,= =C2=A0 it may be more efficient when parsing the binary encoding than text = encoding. But the advantage is very limited from my point of view. And I do= n=E2=80=99t see such =C2=A0efficient issue raised in current web servers (which accept text encoding).

= =C2=A0

BR,<= /u>

Rachel<= u>

= =C2=A0

From: ppsp [mailto= :ppsp-bounces@ie= tf.org] On Behalf Of Zongning
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 10:28 AM
To: ppsp@ietf.org=
Subject: [ppsp] Call for WG consensus on Tracker Protocol encoding

=

=C2=A0

Hi, all,

=C2=A0

Firstly, thanks to the co-autho= rs of Base Tracker Protocol for persistently moving the draft forward.

=C2=A0

Now the outstanding issue is th= at as a Standard Track document, we really NEED to agree on a mandatory enc= oding for the interoperable on-the-wire Tracker Protocol. As discussed in t= he PPSP session today, we will start WGLC for the draft, provided that we can reach a rough consensus on the en= coding option and the co-authors revise the draft accordingly.

=C2=A0

Currently we have two options m= entioned in the draft =E2=80=93 they are text based and binary based. For a= n exemplary comparison, please see Section 3.1 in the draft. Could folks in= the group give their opinions on which encoding option is preferred for Tracker Protocol, and why? People are welcome to g= ive other options beyond text and binary, but please do show us the reason = for choosing them.

=C2=A0

The during of this call will no= t last too long, before the co-chairs will make a decision. So, please do c= ontribute your technical expertise in this perspective, to enlight the grou= p.

=C2=A0

Thanks.

=C2=A0

-Yunfei & Ning

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[95.93.148.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id wl1sm35643005wjb.4.2014.11.13.05.49.54 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 13 Nov 2014 05:49:55 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7BC4A28D-3FF4-4014-A07A-99DE458D8837" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.0 \(1990.1\)) From: "Prof. Rui Santos Cruz Eng." In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 13:49:53 +0000 Message-Id: References: To: Zongning X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1990.1) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ppsp/G-Iz7c6qxmuwV4QNnQRMT0jJRCE Cc: "Joao P. Taveira" , Gu Yingjie , "ppsp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [ppsp] Call for WG consensus on Tracker Protocol encoding X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 13:50:08 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_7BC4A28D-3FF4-4014-A07A-99DE458D8837 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Folks, The current version of the Base Tracker Protocol draft had followed all = previous recommendations of the WG, and, as you may recall, the initial = specifications described a text-based encoding (HTTP/XML) that could = even be represented in binary form on the wire. Later, it was recommended in the WG to "specify the protocol" not using = a specific encoding method as it would seem as mandatory, and that was = done using a syntax and format for the Protocol messages defined with a = C-like syntax, similar to the presentation language used to defined TLS, = just to =E2=80=9Cdocument=E2=80=9D the protocol. Consequently, the = encoding =E2=80=9Cexamples" (HTTP/XML) for the protocol were removed = from the document, remaining only in part 4 of the draft the mention: =E2=80=9CPPSP-TP is a message-oriented request/response protocol. The = messages can be encoded using binary type or text type, which can be = indicated in the Content-Type field in HTTP/1.1 [RFC2616], but that = definition is not in the scope of this specification.=E2=80=9D=20 I personally welcome the chance given by the WG to have a mandatory = encoding specification for the protocol, and I am convinced that it = would be just a question of getting the consensus on using one of the = following: 1. HTTP/XML: just pure text but also directly representable in binary = format on the wire (in "real-time") using current well known methods and = standards. 2. HTTP/JSON: just pure text but also directly representable in binary = format on the wire (in "real-time=E2=80=9D) using current well known = methods and standards. None of those require special work from what was described and = exemplified in earlier versions of the draft (HTTP/XML), just a simple = transcription of previous text to the current document, or a = transcription of the previous text but with a conversion of the messages = body to JSON (XML to JSON is straightforward). As other co-authors also mentioned, a pure binary format, although = apparently more =E2=80=9Cefficient=E2=80=9D on the wire, would bring = unnecessary complexity to the implementation, usage and extensibility. Thanks.=20 Regards, Dr. Rui Santos Cruz, Ph.D. rui.cruz@ieee.org IST/INESC-ID/INOV - Lisbon, Portugal __________________________________________ ppsp mailing list ppsp@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ppsp > On 13 Nov 2014, at 02:27, Zongning wrote: >=20 > Hi, all, > =20 > Firstly, thanks to the co-authors of Base Tracker Protocol for = persistently moving the draft forward. > =20 > Now the outstanding issue is that as a Standard Track document, we = really NEED to agree on a mandatory encoding for the interoperable = on-the-wire Tracker Protocol. As discussed in the PPSP session today, we = will start WGLC for the draft, provided that we can reach a rough = consensus on the encoding option and the co-authors revise the draft = accordingly. > =20 > Currently we have two options mentioned in the draft =E2=80=93 they = are text based and binary based. For an exemplary comparison, please see = Section 3.1 in the draft. Could folks in the group give their opinions = on which encoding option is preferred for Tracker Protocol, and why? = People are welcome to give other options beyond text and binary, but = please do show us the reason for choosing them. > =20 > The during of this call will not last too long, before the co-chairs = will make a decision. So, please do contribute your technical expertise = in this perspective, to enlight the group. > =20 > Thanks. > =20 > -Yunfei & Ning > _______________________________________________ > ppsp mailing list > ppsp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ppsp = --Apple-Mail=_7BC4A28D-3FF4-4014-A07A-99DE458D8837 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi Folks,

The current version of the Base Tracker Protocol draft had = followed all previous recommendations of the WG, and, as you may recall, = the initial specifications described a text-based encoding (HTTP/XML) = that could even be represented in binary form on the wire.

Later, it was = recommended in the WG to "specify the protocol" not using a specific = encoding method as it would seem as mandatory, and that was done using a = syntax and format for the Protocol messages defined with a C-like = syntax, similar to the presentation language used to defined TLS, = just to =E2=80=9Cdocument=E2=80=9D the protocol. Consequently, the = encoding =E2=80=9Cexamples" (HTTP/XML) for the protocol were removed = from the document, remaining only in part 4 of the draft the = mention:

=E2=80=9CPPSP-TP is a message-oriented request/response = protocol.  The messages can be encoded = using binary type or text type, which can be indicated in the = Content-Type field in HTTP/1.1 [RFC2616], but that definition is not in = the scope of this specification.=E2=80=9D 

I personally welcome the chance given = by the WG to have a mandatory encoding specification for the protocol, = and I am convinced that it would be just a question of getting the = consensus on using one of the following:

1. HTTP/XML: just pure text but also = directly representable in binary format on the wire (in "real-time") = using current well known methods and standards.
2. = HTTP/JSON: just pure text but also directly representable in binary = format on the wire (in "real-time=E2=80=9D) using current well known = methods and standards.

None of those require special work from what was described = and exemplified in earlier versions of the draft (HTTP/XML), just a = simple transcription of previous text to the current document, or a = transcription of the previous text but with a conversion of the messages = body to JSON (XML to JSON is straightforward).

As other co-authors also mentioned, a = pure binary format, although apparently more =E2=80=9Cefficient=E2=80=9D = on the wire, would bring unnecessary complexity to the implementation, = usage and extensibility.

Thanks. 

Regards,

Dr. Rui Santos Cruz, Ph.D.
rui.cruz@ieee.org

IST/INESC-ID/INOV - Lisbon, Portugal
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On 13 Nov 2014, at 02:27, Zongning <zongning@huawei.com>= wrote:

Hi, all,
 
Firstly, thanks = to the co-authors of Base Tracker Protocol for persistently moving the = draft forward.
 
Now the = outstanding issue is that as a Standard Track document, we really NEED = to agree on a mandatory encoding for the interoperable on-the-wire = Tracker Protocol. As discussed in the PPSP session today, we will start = WGLC for the draft, provided that we can reach a rough consensus on the = encoding option and the co-authors revise the draft accordingly.
 
Currently we = have two options mentioned in the draft =E2=80=93 they are text based = and binary based. For an exemplary comparison, please see Section 3.1 in = the draft. Could folks in the group give their opinions on which = encoding option is preferred for Tracker Protocol, and why? People are = welcome to give other options beyond text and binary, but please do show = us the reason for choosing them.
 
The during of = this call will not last too long, before the co-chairs will make a = decision. So, please do contribute your technical expertise in this = perspective, to enlight the group.
 
Thanks.
 
-Yunfei & = Ning
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= --Apple-Mail=_7BC4A28D-3FF4-4014-A07A-99DE458D8837-- From nobody Thu Nov 13 05:51:53 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE891A871F for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 05:51:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.193 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.193 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YZ5vxhzPqS1h for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 05:51:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from lmv.inov.pt (lmv.inov.pt [146.193.64.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3608E1A875D for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 05:51:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from msnsurface ([194.210.232.242]) (authenticated bits=0) by lmv.inov.pt (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id sADDorSW028434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 13 Nov 2014 13:50:53 GMT From: "Mario Nunes" To: "=?utf-8?Q?'Jo=C3=A3o_Pedro_Taveira'?=" , "'Huangyihong \(Rachel\)'" , "'Zongning'" , References: <51E6A56BD6A85142B9D172C87FC3ABBB86251329@nkgeml501-mbs.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 13:50:55 -0000 Organization: INOV Message-ID: <001901cfff48$d8e83ae0$8ab8b0a0$@inov.pt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01CFFF48.D8ECF5D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 15.0 Thread-Index: AQLUwHeA1mhaz0Gwuvo5VWPgyIX6YgHrUnTdAeppMtmaNl/9YA== Content-Language: pt X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (lmv.inov.pt [146.193.64.2]); Thu, 13 Nov 2014 13:50:55 +0000 (WET) X-INOV-EmailServer-Information: Please contact the Email service provider for more information X-INOV-EmailServer: Found to be clean X-INOV-EmailServer-From: mario.nunes@inov.pt Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ppsp/rpQKRRKLu4QX3BHNjLMOMzQlOME Subject: Re: [ppsp] Call for WG consensus on Tracker Protocol encoding X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: mario.nunes@inov.pt List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 13:51:46 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CFFF48.D8ECF5D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all =20 I support Joao=E2=80=99s, opinion on text based messages. =20 In ITU-T there is a long record of binary encoding due to bandwidth = constrains but in IETF there is a large support for text based, due to = its higher readability and simplicity for debugging. =20 Concerning the syntax of the messages I see at least three alternatives: =20 - SDP=20 - XML - JSON =20 SDP is very successful e.g. for SIP but is not used for new protocols = for some time now =20 Between XML and JSONB I definitely support JSON for a number of reasons, = namely because it is ligher and more readable than XML, and has more = support in IETF, as you can read in this article: =20 = http://www.internetsociety.org/articles/using-json-ietf-protocols =20 Best regard M=C3=A1rio Nunes =20 From: ppsp [mailto:ppsp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jo=C3=A3o Pedro = Taveira Sent: 13 de novembro de 2014 13:14 To: Huangyihong (Rachel); Zongning; ppsp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [ppsp] Call for WG consensus on Tracker Protocol encoding =20 Hi to all, =20 About the specification language to used, I don't prefer this or other = language. Arno already sugested XDR and Rachel sugested JSON or YANG. I = think that base protocol is well defined in high level point of view. = The main issue is on-the-wired encoding.=20 Personally, I prefer binary encoded protocols. They are compact, and if = well defined, they are simple and very efficient. The problem is that = they are complex to use and/or implement. The Tracker Protocol should be text encoded (imho, JSON) on-the-wired = over HTTP, for now. This will allow faster testing and adoption. Since = messages are historically defined in a hierarchical way from XML sharing = elements, we will be able to discuss binaries hierarchical structures = (e.g. mp4box or something like icmp) to get a binary encoding that match = current abstract protocol. =20 For now, I think we should use JSON over HTTP. =20 Best Regards, Jo=C3=A3o Pedro Taveira =20 On Thu Nov 13 2014 at 8:05:21 AM Huangyihong (Rachel) = > wrote: Hi all, =20 IMHO, text encoding makes more sense to me. It=E2=80=99s prevalently = used in application protocols over HTTP (e.g., alto protocol). And maybe = we could use standard languages, like JSON or YANG to specify our = messages (not just current C language). As for the efficiency issue, it = may be more efficient when parsing the binary encoding than text = encoding. But the advantage is very limited from my point of view. And I = don=E2=80=99t see such efficient issue raised in current web servers = (which accept text encoding).=20 =20 BR, Rachel =20 From: ppsp [mailto:ppsp-bounces@ietf.org = ] On Behalf Of Zongning Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 10:28 AM To: ppsp@ietf.org =20 Subject: [ppsp] Call for WG consensus on Tracker Protocol encoding =20 Hi, all, =20 Firstly, thanks to the co-authors of Base Tracker Protocol for = persistently moving the draft forward. =20 Now the outstanding issue is that as a Standard Track document, we = really NEED to agree on a mandatory encoding for the interoperable = on-the-wire Tracker Protocol. As discussed in the PPSP session today, we = will start WGLC for the draft, provided that we can reach a rough = consensus on the encoding option and the co-authors revise the draft = accordingly. =20 Currently we have two options mentioned in the draft =E2=80=93 they are = text based and binary based. For an exemplary comparison, please see = Section 3.1 in the draft. Could folks in the group give their opinions = on which encoding option is preferred for Tracker Protocol, and why? = People are welcome to give other options beyond text and binary, but = please do show us the reason for choosing them. =20 The during of this call will not last too long, before the co-chairs = will make a decision. So, please do contribute your technical expertise = in this perspective, to enlight the group. =20 Thanks. =20 -Yunfei & Ning _______________________________________________ ppsp mailing list ppsp@ietf.org =20 https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ppsp ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CFFF48.D8ECF5D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all

 

I support Joao=E2=80=99s, opinion on text = based messages.

 

In ITU-T there is a long record of binary = encoding due to bandwidth constrains but in IETF there is a large = support for text based, due to its higher readability and simplicity for = debugging.

 

Concerning the syntax of the messages I = see at least three alternatives:

 

- SDP

- XML

- JSON

 

SDP is very successful e.g. for SIP but is = not used for new protocols for some time now

 

Between XML and JSONB I definitely support = JSON for a number of reasons, =C2=A0namely because it is ligher and more = readable than XML, and has more support in IETF, as you can read in this = article:

 

http://www.internetsociety.org/articles/using-json-ietf-p= rotocols

 

Best regard

M=C3=A1rio Nunes

 

From: ppsp = [mailto:ppsp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jo=C3=A3o Pedro = Taveira
Sent: 13 de novembro de 2014 13:14
To: = Huangyihong (Rachel); Zongning; ppsp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: = [ppsp] Call for WG consensus on Tracker Protocol = encoding

 

Hi to = all,

 

About the specification language to used, I don't = prefer this or other language. Arno already sugested XDR and Rachel = sugested JSON or YANG. I think that base protocol is well defined in = high level point of view. The main issue is on-the-wired = encoding. 

Personally, I prefer binary encoded protocols. = They are compact, and if well defined, they are simple and very = efficient. The problem is that they are complex to use and/or = implement.

The Tracker Protocol should be text = encoded (imho, JSON) on-the-wired over HTTP, for now. This will = allow faster testing and adoption. Since messages are historically = defined in a hierarchical way from XML sharing elements, we will be able = to discuss binaries hierarchical structures (e.g. mp4box or something = like icmp) to get a binary encoding that match current abstract = protocol.

 

For now, I think we should use JSON over = HTTP.

 

Best Regards,

Jo=C3=A3o Pedro Taveira

 

On Thu = Nov 13 2014 at 8:05:21 AM Huangyihong (Rachel) <rachel.huang@huawei.com> = wrote:

Hi =  all,

 

IMHO, = text encoding makes more sense to me. It=E2=80=99s prevalently used in = application protocols over HTTP (e.g., alto protocol). And maybe we = could use standard languages, like JSON or YANG to specify our messages = (not just current C language). As for the efficiency issue,  it may = be more efficient when parsing the binary encoding than text encoding. = But the advantage is very limited from my point of view. And I = don=E2=80=99t see such  efficient issue raised in current web = servers (which accept text encoding).

 

BR,

Rachel

 

From: ppsp [mailto:ppsp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Zongning
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 10:28 = AM
To: ppsp@ietf.org
Subject: [ppsp] Call for = WG consensus on Tracker Protocol encoding

 

Hi, all,

 

Firstly, thanks to the = co-authors of Base Tracker Protocol for persistently moving the draft = forward.

 

Now the outstanding = issue is that as a Standard Track document, we really NEED to agree on a = mandatory encoding for the interoperable on-the-wire Tracker Protocol. = As discussed in the PPSP session today, we will start WGLC for the = draft, provided that we can reach a rough consensus on the encoding = option and the co-authors revise the draft accordingly.

 

Currently we have two = options mentioned in the draft =E2=80=93 they are text based and binary = based. For an exemplary comparison, please see Section 3.1 in the draft. = Could folks in the group give their opinions on which encoding option is = preferred for Tracker Protocol, and why? People are welcome to give = other options beyond text and binary, but please do show us the reason = for choosing them.

 

The during of this = call will not last too long, before the co-chairs will make a decision. = So, please do contribute your technical expertise in this perspective, = to enlight the group.

 

Thanks.

 

-Yunfei & = Ning

_______________________________________________
ppsp= mailing list
ppsp@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ppsp

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<001901cfff48$d8e83ae0$8ab8b0a0$@inov.pt> In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 03:42:43 +0800 Message-ID: <002601cfff7a$0145d340$03d179c0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01CFFFBD.0F691340" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac/+6XHitTUE4yIXTIW0IaBSD9/HLgALRSJwAAtM+nv//4QfgP//G3ng//4zR7A= Content-Language: zh-cn Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ppsp/FnAb20F8cneAO48sGsTOWiVPiIM Subject: Re: [ppsp] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiAgQ2FsbCBmb3IgV0cgY29uc2Vuc3VzIG9uIFRy?= =?utf-8?q?acker_Protocol_encoding?= X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 19:43:15 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01CFFFBD.0F691340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I prefer text encoding too, and JSON would be the one for me. =20 Lingli =20 From: ppsp [mailto:ppsp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Xiajinwei Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 3:36 AM To: mario.nunes@inov.pt; 'Jo=C3=A3o Pedro Taveira'; Huangyihong = (Rachel); Zongning; ppsp@ietf.org Subject: [ppsp] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: Call for WG consensus on Tracker = Protocol encoding =20 I am personally inclined to the text encoding as it is more legible for = readers. Using XML, JSON or YANG is all OK for me. =20 Jinwei =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: ppsp [mailto:ppsp-bounces@ietf.org] = =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Mario Nunes =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: = 2014=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=8813=E6=97=A5 21:51 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: 'Jo=C3=A3o Pedro Taveira'; Huangyihong = (Rachel); Zongning; ppsp@ietf.org =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [ppsp] Call for WG consensus on Tracker Protocol = encoding =20 Hi all =20 I support Joao=E2=80=99s, opinion on text based messages. =20 In ITU-T there is a long record of binary encoding due to bandwidth = constrains but in IETF there is a large support for text based, due to = its higher readability and simplicity for debugging. =20 Concerning the syntax of the messages I see at least three alternatives: =20 - SDP=20 - XML - JSON =20 SDP is very successful e.g. for SIP but is not used for new protocols = for some time now =20 Between XML and JSONB I definitely support JSON for a number of reasons, = namely because it is ligher and more readable than XML, and has more = support in IETF, as you can read in this article: =20 = http://www.internetsociety.org/articles/using-json-ietf-protocols =20 Best regard M=C3=A1rio Nunes =20 =20 From: ppsp [mailto:ppsp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jo=C3=A3o Pedro = Taveira Sent: 13 de novembro de 2014 13:14 To: Huangyihong (Rachel); Zongning; ppsp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [ppsp] Call for WG consensus on Tracker Protocol encoding =20 Hi to all, =20 About the specification language to used, I don't prefer this or other = language. Arno already sugested XDR and Rachel sugested JSON or YANG. I = think that base protocol is well defined in high level point of view. = The main issue is on-the-wired encoding.=20 Personally, I prefer binary encoded protocols. They are compact, and if = well defined, they are simple and very efficient. The problem is that = they are complex to use and/or implement. The Tracker Protocol should be text encoded (imho, JSON) on-the-wired = over HTTP, for now. This will allow faster testing and adoption. Since = messages are historically defined in a hierarchical way from XML sharing = elements, we will be able to discuss binaries hierarchical structures = (e.g. mp4box or something like icmp) to get a binary encoding that match = current abstract protocol. =20 For now, I think we should use JSON over HTTP. =20 Best Regards, Jo=C3=A3o Pedro Taveira =20 On Thu Nov 13 2014 at 8:05:21 AM Huangyihong (Rachel) = wrote: Hi all, =20 IMHO, text encoding makes more sense to me. It=E2=80=99s prevalently = used in application protocols over HTTP (e.g., alto protocol). And maybe = we could use standard languages, like JSON or YANG to specify our = messages (not just current C language). As for the efficiency issue, it = may be more efficient when parsing the binary encoding than text = encoding. But the advantage is very limited from my point of view. And I = don=E2=80=99t see such efficient issue raised in current web servers = (which accept text encoding).=20 =20 BR, Rachel =20 From: ppsp [mailto:ppsp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Zongning Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 10:28 AM To: ppsp@ietf.org Subject: [ppsp] Call for WG consensus on Tracker Protocol encoding =20 Hi, all, =20 Firstly, thanks to the co-authors of Base Tracker Protocol for = persistently moving the draft forward. =20 Now the outstanding issue is that as a Standard Track document, we = really NEED to agree on a mandatory encoding for the interoperable = on-the-wire Tracker Protocol. As discussed in the PPSP session today, we = will start WGLC for the draft, provided that we can reach a rough = consensus on the encoding option and the co-authors revise the draft = accordingly. =20 Currently we have two options mentioned in the draft =E2=80=93 they are = text based and binary based. For an exemplary comparison, please see = Section 3.1 in the draft. Could folks in the group give their opinions = on which encoding option is preferred for Tracker Protocol, and why? = People are welcome to give other options beyond text and binary, but = please do show us the reason for choosing them. =20 The during of this call will not last too long, before the co-chairs = will make a decision. So, please do contribute your technical expertise = in this perspective, to enlight the group. =20 Thanks. =20 -Yunfei & Ning _______________________________________________ ppsp mailing list ppsp@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ppsp ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01CFFFBD.0F691340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I prefer text encoding too, and JSON would be the one for = me.

 

Lingli

 

From:= ppsp = [mailto:ppsp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Xiajinwei
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 3:36 = AM
To: mario.nunes@inov.pt; 'Jo=C3=A3o Pedro Taveira'; = Huangyihong (Rachel); Zongning; ppsp@ietf.org
Subject: [ppsp] = =E7=AD=94=E5=A4= =8D: Call for = WG consensus on Tracker Protocol = encoding

 

I am personally inclined to the text encoding as it is more legible = for readers. Using XML, JSON or YANG is all OK for = me.

 

Jinwei

 

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB= =B6=E4=BA=BA: ppsp = [mailto:ppsp-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1= =A8 Mario = Nunes
=E5=8F=91=E9=80= =81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: = 2014=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=8813=E6=97=A5 = 21:51
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: 'Jo=C3=A3o Pedro Taveira'; = Huangyihong (Rachel); Zongning; = ppsp@ietf.org
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [ppsp] Call for WG = consensus on Tracker Protocol = encoding

 

Hi all

 

I support Joao=E2=80=99s, opinion on text based = messages.

 

In ITU-T there is a long record of binary encoding due to bandwidth = constrains but in IETF there is a large support for text based, due to = its higher readability and simplicity for = debugging.

 

Concerning the syntax of the messages I see at least three = alternatives:

 

- SDP

- XML

- JSON

 

SDP is very successful e.g. for SIP but is not used for new protocols = for some time now

 

Between XML and JSONB I definitely support JSON for a number of = reasons,  namely because it is ligher and more readable than XML, = and has more support in IETF, as you can read in this = article:

 

http://www.= internetsociety.org/articles/using-json-ietf-protocols<= span lang=3DEN-US = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= D'>

 

Best regard

M=C3=A1rio Nunes

 

 

From: ppsp [mailto:ppsp-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Jo=C3=A3o Pedro Taveira
Sent: 13 de = novembro de 2014 13:14
To: Huangyihong (Rachel); Zongning; ppsp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: = [ppsp] Call for WG consensus on Tracker Protocol = encoding

 

Hi to all,

 

About the specification language to = used, I don't prefer this or other language. Arno already sugested XDR = and Rachel sugested JSON or YANG. I think that base protocol is well = defined in high level point of view. The main issue is on-the-wired = encoding. 

Personally, I prefer binary encoded protocols. = They are compact, and if well defined, they are simple and very = efficient. The problem is that they are complex to use and/or = implement.

The Tracker Protocol should be text = encoded (imho, JSON) on-the-wired over HTTP, for now. This will = allow faster testing and adoption. Since messages are historically = defined in a hierarchical way from XML sharing elements, we will be able = to discuss binaries hierarchical structures (e.g. mp4box or something = like icmp) to get a binary encoding that match current abstract = protocol.

 

For now, I think we should use JSON = over HTTP.

 

Best = Regards,

Jo=C3=A3o Pedro Taveira

 

On Thu Nov 13 2014 at 8:05:21 AM = Huangyihong (Rachel) <rachel.huang@huawei.com> = wrote:

Hi  all,

 

IMHO, text encoding makes more = sense to me. It=E2=80=99s prevalently used in application protocols over = HTTP (e.g., alto protocol). And maybe we could use standard languages, = like JSON or YANG to specify our messages (not just current C language). = As for the efficiency issue,  it may be more efficient when parsing = the binary encoding than text encoding. But the advantage is very = limited from my point of view. And I don=E2=80=99t see such =  efficient issue raised in current web servers (which accept text = encoding).

 

BR,

Rachel

 

From:= ppsp = [mailto:ppsp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Zongning
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 10:28 = AM
To: ppsp@ietf.org
Subject: [ppsp] Call for = WG consensus on Tracker Protocol encoding

<= div style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm = 0cm 4.0pt'>

 

Hi, all,

 

Firstly, thanks to the co-authors of Base Tracker Protocol = for persistently moving the draft forward.

 

Now the outstanding issue is that as a Standard Track = document, we really NEED to agree on a mandatory encoding for the = interoperable on-the-wire Tracker Protocol. As discussed in the PPSP = session today, we will start WGLC for the draft, provided that we can = reach a rough consensus on the encoding option and the co-authors revise = the draft accordingly.

 

Currently we have two options mentioned in the draft = =E2=80=93 they are text based and binary based. For an exemplary = comparison, please see Section 3.1 in the draft. Could folks in the = group give their opinions on which encoding option is preferred for = Tracker Protocol, and why? People are welcome to give other options = beyond text and binary, but please do show us the reason for choosing = them.

 

The during of this call will not last too long, before the = co-chairs will make a decision. So, please do contribute your technical = expertise in this perspective, to enlight the group.

 

Thanks.

 

-Yunfei & Ning

_______________________________________________
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ppsp@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ppsp

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Hi,

Text = encoding make sense for me. JSON can be used.

 

Roni = Even

 

 

 

From:= = ppsp [mailto:ppsp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Zongning
Sent: 13 November, 2014 4:28 AM
To: = ppsp@ietf.org
Subject: [ppsp] Call for WG consensus on Tracker = Protocol encoding

 

Hi, = all,

 

Firstly, = thanks to the co-authors of Base Tracker Protocol for persistently = moving the draft forward.

 

Now the = outstanding issue is that as a Standard Track document, we really NEED = to agree on a mandatory encoding for the interoperable on-the-wire = Tracker Protocol. As discussed in the PPSP session today, we will start = WGLC for the draft, provided that we can reach a rough consensus on the = encoding option and the co-authors revise the draft = accordingly.

 

Currently = we have two options mentioned in the draft – they are text based = and binary based. For an exemplary comparison, please see Section 3.1 in = the draft. Could folks in the group give their opinions on which = encoding option is preferred for Tracker Protocol, and why? People are = welcome to give other options beyond text and binary, but please do show = us the reason for choosing them.

 

The during = of this call will not last too long, before the co-chairs will make a = decision. So, please do contribute your technical expertise in this = perspective, to enlight the group.

 

Thanks.

 

-Yunfei = & Ning

------=_NextPart_000_0255_01CFFF8E.C7AD0E40-- From nobody Thu Nov 13 15:41:48 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC9D71AE2EA for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 15:41:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.028 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.028 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RELAY_IS_221=2.222, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.594, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BPnltI5CzyZS for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 15:41:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from cmccmta1.chinamobile.com (cmccmta1.chinamobile.com [221.176.66.79]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E86C91AE2EC for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2014 15:41:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from spf.mail.chinamobile.com (unknown[172.16.121.1]) by rmmx-syy-dmz-app01-12001 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee1546541b1ec3-4b2e2; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 07:41:41 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee1546541b1ec3-4b2e2 X-RM-SPAM-FLAG: 00000000 Received: from cmccPC (unknown[31.133.167.36]) by rmsmtp-syy-appsvr01-12001 (RichMail) with SMTP id 2ee1546541b1b3d-c241f; Fri, 14 Nov 2014 07:41:41 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee1546541b1b3d-c241f From: =?UTF-8?B?6YKT54G16I6JL0xpbmdsaSBEZW5n?= To: "'Zongning'" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 07:41:39 +0800 Message-ID: <00b001cfff9b$6109f510$231ddf30$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B1_01CFFFDE.6F2D3510" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac/+6XHitTUE4yIXTIW0IaBSD9/HLgAsWk8A Content-Language: zh-cn Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ppsp/GZjaw9EwvsB3c9kruoj8gUaRavY Subject: Re: [ppsp] Call for WG consensus on Tracker Protocol encoding X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 23:41:47 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01CFFFDE.6F2D3510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Chairs, =20 Speaking as one of the co-authors for the base tracker protocol, we are = happy to take whatever the group feels right. But would you mind setting a clear time limit for this poll?=20 =20 Thanks, Lingli =20 From: ppsp [mailto:ppsp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Zongning Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 10:28 AM To: ppsp@ietf.org Subject: [ppsp] Call for WG consensus on Tracker Protocol encoding =20 Hi, all, =20 Firstly, thanks to the co-authors of Base Tracker Protocol for = persistently moving the draft forward. =20 Now the outstanding issue is that as a Standard Track document, we = really NEED to agree on a mandatory encoding for the interoperable = on-the-wire Tracker Protocol. As discussed in the PPSP session today, we = will start WGLC for the draft, provided that we can reach a rough = consensus on the encoding option and the co-authors revise the draft = accordingly. =20 Currently we have two options mentioned in the draft =E2=80=93 they are = text based and binary based. For an exemplary comparison, please see = Section 3.1 in the draft. Could folks in the group give their opinions = on which encoding option is preferred for Tracker Protocol, and why? = People are welcome to give other options beyond text and binary, but = please do show us the reason for choosing them. =20 The during of this call will not last too long, before the co-chairs = will make a decision. So, please do contribute your technical expertise = in this perspective, to enlight the group. =20 Thanks. =20 -Yunfei & Ning ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01CFFFDE.6F2D3510 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Chairs,

 

Speaking as = one of the co-authors for the base tracker protocol, we are happy to = take whatever the group feels right.

But would = you mind setting a clear time limit for this poll? =

 

Thanks,

Lingli

 

From:= ppsp = [mailto:ppsp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Zongning
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 10:28 = AM
To: ppsp@ietf.org
Subject: [ppsp] Call for WG = consensus on Tracker Protocol = encoding

 

Hi, all,

 

Firstly, thanks to the co-authors of Base Tracker Protocol = for persistently moving the draft forward.

 

Now the outstanding issue is that = as a Standard Track document, we really NEED to agree on a mandatory = encoding for the interoperable on-the-wire Tracker Protocol. As = discussed in the PPSP session today, we will start WGLC for the draft, = provided that we can reach a rough consensus on the encoding option and = the co-authors revise the draft accordingly.

 

Currently we have two options = mentioned in the draft =E2=80=93 they are text based and binary based. = For an exemplary comparison, please see Section 3.1 in the draft. Could = folks in the group give their opinions on which encoding option is = preferred for Tracker Protocol, and why? People are welcome to give = other options beyond text and binary, but please do show us the reason = for choosing them.

 

The during of this call will not last too long, before the = co-chairs will make a decision. So, please do contribute your technical = expertise in this perspective, to enlight the = group.

 

Thanks.

 

-Yunfei & = Ning

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encoding here too! JR On 13/11/2014 03:11 p.m.=2C Roni Even wrote: > > Hi=2C > > Text encoding make sense for me. JSON can be used. > > Roni Even > > *From:*ppsp [mailto:ppsp-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Zongning > *Sent:* 13 November=2C 2014 4:28 AM > *To:* ppsp@ietf.org > *Subject:* [ppsp] Call for WG consensus on Tracker Protocol encoding > > Hi=2C all=2C > > Firstly=2C thanks to the co-authors of Base Tracker Protocol for=20 > persistently moving the draft forward. > > Now the outstanding issue is that as a Standard Track document=2C we=20 > really NEED to agree on a mandatory encoding for the interoperable=20 > on-the-wire Tracker Protocol. As discussed in the PPSP session today=2C=20 > we will start WGLC for the draft=2C provided that we can reach a rough=20 > consensus on the encoding option and the co-authors revise the draft=20 > accordingly. > > Currently we have two options mentioned in the draft -- they are text=20 > based and binary based. For an exemplary comparison=2C please see=20 > Section 3.1 in the draft. Could folks in the group give their opinions=20 > on which encoding option is preferred for Tracker Protocol=2C and why?=20 > People are welcome to give other options beyond text and binary=2C but=20 > please do show us the reason for choosing them. > > The during of this call will not last too long=2C before the co-chairs=20 > will make a decision. So=2C please do contribute your technical=20 > expertise in this perspective=2C to enlight the group. > > Thanks. > > -Yunfei & Ning > > > > _______________________________________________ > ppsp mailing list > ppsp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ppsp --=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Javier Rodriguez Por una mayor y mejor Internet(1995). Internet libre=2C abierta=2C inclusiva y gratuita para todos (2013). Fundador de: eCOML@C=2C GAC=2C LimaNet =2C Axisnet=2C redPE. 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Text encoding here too!

JR


On 13/11/2014 03:11 p.m., Roni Even wrote:

Hi,

Text encoding make sense for me. JSON can be used.

 

Roni Even

 

 

 

From: ppsp [mailto:ppsp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Zongning
Sent: 13 November, 2014 4:28 AM
To: ppsp@ietf.org
Subject: [ppsp] Call for WG consensus on Tracker Protocol encoding

 

Hi, all,

 

Firstly, thanks to the co-authors of Base Tracker Protocol for persistently moving the draft forward.

 

Now the outstanding issue is that as a Standard Track document, we really NEED to agree on a mandatory encoding for the interoperable on-the-wire Tracker Protocol. As discussed in the PPSP session today, we will start WGLC for the draft, provided that we can reach a rough consensus on the encoding option and the co-authors revise the draft accordingly.

 

Currently we have two options mentioned in the draft – they are text based and binary based. For an exemplary comparison, please see Section 3.1 in the draft. Could folks in the group give their opinions on which encoding option is preferred for Tracker Protocol, and why? People are welcome to give other options beyond text and binary, but please do show us the reason for choosing them.

 

The during of this call will not last too long, before the co-chairs will make a decision. So, please do contribute your technical expertise in this perspective, to enlight the group.

 

Thanks.

 

-Yunfei & Ning



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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, folks, During the call for consensus on Tracker Protocol encoding, we have seen th= at most of the people including the co-authors of Tracker Protocol I-D pref= er to adopt text based encoding. As co-chairs, Yunfei and I have concluded that Tracker Protocol should have= text based encoding as mandatory, and other encoding methods as optional. We therefore request the co-authors of Tracker Protocol I-D to revise the d= raft to reflect this conclusion, and send out the new revision for review, = by *early of December*. Thanks. Yunfei & Ning, as co-chairs. --_000_B0D29E0424F2DE47A0B36779EC666779661F2C70nkgeml501mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, folks,

 

During the call for consensus o= n Tracker Protocol encoding, we have seen that most of the people including= the co-authors of Tracker Protocol I-D prefer to adopt text based encoding= .

As co-chairs, Yunfei and I have= concluded that Tracker Protocol should have text based encoding as mandato= ry, and other encoding methods as optional.

 

We therefore request the co-aut= hors of Tracker Protocol I-D to revise the draft to reflect this conclusion= , and send out the new revision for review, by *early of December*.<= o:p>

 

Thanks.

 

Yunfei & Ning, as co-chairs= .

--_000_B0D29E0424F2DE47A0B36779EC666779661F2C70nkgeml501mbschi_-- From nobody Mon Nov 24 14:21:57 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F171A7D80 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 14:21:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UVJXFpxLaSJK for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 14:21:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wi0-f174.google.com (mail-wi0-f174.google.com [209.85.212.174]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 86E381A6FF5 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 14:21:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wi0-f174.google.com with SMTP id h11so7240187wiw.13 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 14:21:51 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id:references:to; bh=YncKi3SLOlhzKXqzSztyZN8d6dFGRa+K5ZTqYIMCxxs=; b=YC/gZhp3uDl4RUU0nOPTehdCLk1xQXJ43vDb6rXQ0Cyim31UzBBjn0nbgNPj7twEMD OuvPmcinQANor3SpKPz6c6MirIB5JZJC4K/DUoWEppzgZ5dJKtsciCvqzJtGugPiRlfk Ed0FQVCWDtAtQs2sbv8m68DK3nDhEtwyLWXaZU7zdXkZrSrfPJqgkR3vr+sCLfcSz5xm 9jY4zNUK+Uyl79sTB77TXCOOs64j+exETvTnpKzvi7h+NSpfwNf+hr/s4Yizzentprm8 3wIn1I1F8hVUTQl9DpaKK5blPXjnWGjCxu4Yus4zJ0PDUFUVv18kedZ9bRJJ1Xd0fDiP 9YqA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnCh7e5G/cxg7jfzMJKjUDUP0E/DQ6Cgug2KmKBJCfDJDDt/qqS3SflY78oH4dZgGlN4N/v X-Received: by 10.180.11.97 with SMTP id p1mr9772942wib.22.1416867711242; Mon, 24 Nov 2014 14:21:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from airia.home (a95-93-148-247.cpe.netcabo.pt. [95.93.148.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id vy7sm22840723wjc.27.2014.11.24.14.21.50 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 24 Nov 2014 14:21:50 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C4A4CE79-DD5D-4AD0-973D-5862037F5B57" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.1 \(1993\)) From: "Prof. Rui Santos Cruz Eng." In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 22:21:48 +0000 Message-Id: References: To: Zongning X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1993) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ppsp/7acFDdAN9TmPITDEifRY_l-02TM Cc: "ppsp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [ppsp] Tracker Protocol Encoding X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 22:21:55 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_C4A4CE79-DD5D-4AD0-973D-5862037F5B57 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, We will surely revise the draft to include the mandatory text based = encoding specification. Regards, Dr. Rui Santos Cruz, Ph.D. rui.cruz@ieee.org IST/INESC-ID/INOV - Lisbon, Portugal __________________________________________ ppsp mailing list ppsp@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ppsp > On 24 Nov 2014, at 09:17, Zongning wrote: >=20 > Hi, folks, > =20 > During the call for consensus on Tracker Protocol encoding, we have = seen that most of the people including the co-authors of Tracker = Protocol I-D prefer to adopt text based encoding. > As co-chairs, Yunfei and I have concluded that Tracker Protocol should = have text based encoding as mandatory, and other encoding methods as = optional. > =20 > We therefore request the co-authors of Tracker Protocol I-D to revise = the draft to reflect this conclusion, and send out the new revision for = review, by *early of December*. > =20 > Thanks. > =20 > Yunfei & Ning, as co-chairs. > _______________________________________________ > ppsp mailing list > ppsp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ppsp = --Apple-Mail=_C4A4CE79-DD5D-4AD0-973D-5862037F5B57 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hi,

We = will surely revise the draft to include the mandatory text based = encoding specification.



Regards,

Dr. Rui Santos Cruz, Ph.D.
rui.cruz@ieee.org

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On 24 Nov 2014, at 09:17, Zongning <zongning@huawei.com>= wrote:

Hi, folks,
 
During the call = for consensus on Tracker Protocol encoding, we have seen that most of = the people including the co-authors of Tracker Protocol I-D prefer to = adopt text based encoding.
As co-chairs, Yunfei and I have concluded that Tracker = Protocol should have text based encoding as mandatory, and other = encoding methods as optional.
 
We therefore = request the co-authors of Tracker Protocol I-D to revise the draft to = reflect this conclusion, and send out the new revision for review, by = *early of December*.
 
Thanks.
 
Yunfei & = Ning, as co-chairs.
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= --Apple-Mail=_C4A4CE79-DD5D-4AD0-973D-5862037F5B57-- From nobody Sun Nov 30 17:10:52 2014 Return-Path: <13120174@bjtu.edu.cn> X-Original-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ppsp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 778711A00B6 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 17:10:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.238 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.238 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT=1.449, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KkFAN6OyYsFU for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 17:10:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from bjtu.edu.cn (mail.bjtu.edu.cn [218.249.29.198]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 002CD1A0011 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 17:10:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by ajax-webmail-Jdweb4 (Coremail) ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 09:10:17 +0800 (GMT+08:00) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 09:10:17 +0800 (GMT+08:00) From: "Mi Zhang" <13120174@bjtu.edu.cn> To: ppsp Message-ID: <7bd5a699.83e.14a0365e81c.Coremail.13120174@bjtu.edu.cn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7734_2051071314.1417396217882" X-Originating-IP: [211.71.67.110] X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Coremail Webmail Server Version XT2.1.11 dev build 20140513(27092.6055.6128) Copyright (c) 2002-2014 www.mailtech.cn bjtu-test X-SendMailWithSms: false X-CM-TRANSID: eJ5wygBXX4f5v3tUmTQBAA--.702W X-CM-SenderInfo: artrjiarxuquxmwxhvlgxou0/1tbiAgMFB1Ryp0IXYgABs0 X-Coremail-Antispam: 1Ur529EdanIXcx71UUUUU7IcSsGvfJ3iIAIbVAYjsxI4VWUJw CS07vEb4IE77IF4wCS07vE1I0E4x80FVAKz4kxMIAIbVAFxVCaYxvI4VCIwcAKzIAtYxBI daVFxhVjvjDU= Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ppsp/foguKNV1emSBZV0vZSBTCGYNYEQ Subject: [ppsp] Call for Comments on Usage of PPSP X-BeenThere: ppsp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: discussing to draw up peer to peer streaming protocol List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 01:10:35 -0000 ------=_Part_7734_2051071314.1417396217882 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GBK Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Deal all: We have updated a new version of PPSP Usage. Your review and further comments are well appreciated. More importantly, we would like to know whether the current overall framework is reasonable and meets the WG item. Please let us know if something is missing. Thanks. BR Mi Zhang ------=_Part_7734_2051071314.1417396217882 Content-Type: text/html; charset=GBK Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Deal all:

    We have updated a new version of PPSP Usage. Your review and further comments are well appreciated.

    More importantly, we would like to know whether the current overall framework is reasonable and meets the WG item. Please let us know if something is missing.

    Thanks.


BR

Mi Zhang

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