From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Wed Jul 31 13:06:40 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA07756 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 558463EC23; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:19:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54B303EC1C for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:19:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kanmx2.ca.alcatel.com (209.202.115.158) by hermes1.fth.net; 31 Jul 2002 19:07:12 +0200 Received: (qmail 19992 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2002 17:08:22 -0000 Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1); 31 Jul 2002 17:08:00 -0000 Received: from alcatel.com ([138.120.62.25]) by kanmail01.ca.newbridge.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA22F5; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:07:06 -0400 Date: 31 Jul 2002 13:07:01 -0400 Message-ID: <3D481935.1A3EAEF7@alcatel.com> From: "Cheng-Yin Lee" To: erosen@cisco.com Cc: jeremy.de_clercq@alcatel.be, ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com, cwang@smartpipes.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: draft-ietf-ppvpn-ce-based-02.txt References: <200207311448.KAA11208@erosen-u10.cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 729 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eric, Your suggestion that PE is manually configured is of course not desirable, perhaps because you view configuration as manual configuration only? As you suggested as well, creation of filters could be automated. This may be viewed as auto-configuration of PEs, and perhaps the filter/CE addresses could be obtained from the server used for CE auto-config. To be able to continue with a fruitful discussion, we need some kind of agreement or assumption on what protocol or mechanism could be used for auto-discovery/config... So why don't you suggest one that we could use for this discussion? regards cheng-yin Eric Rosen wrote: > Cheng-Yin> a filter for e.g. which allows only tunneled traffic to other > Cheng-Yin> CEs of the VPN may be configured on the PE as well. > > So you are proposing that each PE be manually configured with the IP > addresses of all the CEs that are members of any VPN that is attached to it? > I hope the applicability statement discussed the scalability of that > procedure! Also, make sure to indicate that the PEs must maintain state > which is specific to the VPNs. > > A more reasonable approach would be to have the PEs participate in some way > in the auto-discovery procedure, so that the creation of the filters could > be automated. I'm not sure how this would be done, given the kinds of > auto-discovery procedures that are discussed. Even so, that would still > eliminate the claim that the PEs have no per-VPN state. From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Wed Jul 31 14:07:56 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA11151 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 8519E3EC23; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:20:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D1143EC1C for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:20:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from blooper.utfors.se (195.58.103.125) by hermes1.fth.net; 31 Jul 2002 20:08:26 +0200 Received: from utfors.se ([195.58.105.99]) by blooper.utfors.se (Utfors AB) with ESMTP id g6VI705F007628; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:07:00 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: <3D482743.6080800@utfors.se> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:06:59 +0200 From: Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CARUGI Marco FTRD/DAC/LAN Cc: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com, rwilder@masergy.com, Scott Bradner , bwijnen@lucent.com, Alex Zinin , Internet Drafts Subject: Re: New PPVPN WG documents References: <8C19E3FBB6467846AFF97E366D34CB6029A521@LANMHS20.rd.francetelecom.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 730 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Marco, since I'm not in office and I think that miss Internet-Drafts will do this for us if we ask (politely ;) ). I sugget that the "promotions" are done that way. At least for the framework, since I don't plan changes just now. Natalia, hope I understood this correctly :) /Loa CARUGI Marco FTRD/DAC/LAN wrote: > All, > based on discussion before and during the Yokohama meeting , the > following drafts are promoted to WG documents. > Thanks to respective authors for submitting them again with new name > (suggestion in brackets). > > - draft-andersson-ppvpn-l2-framework-01.txt > (draft-ietf-ppvpn-l2-framework-00) > > - draft-luciani-ppvpn-vpn-discovery-02.txt > (draft-ietf-ppvpn-dnsvpn-discovery-00) > > - draft-bonica-l3vpn-auth-03.txt (draft-ietf-ppvpn-l3vpn-auth-00) > (relation with charter has been agreed by ADs) > > Marco > > > > > -- Loa Andersson Chief Architect, Utfors Research, Architecture and Future Lab (URAX) Utfors AB Råsundavägen 12 Box 525, 169 29 Solna Office +46 8 5270 2000 Office direct +46 8 5270 5038 Mobile +46 70 848 5038 Email loa.andersson@utfors.se WWW www.utfors.se From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Wed Jul 31 15:22:48 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA14298 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 74B813EC25; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:35:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6F743EC1C; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:35:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from p (200.190.99.42) by hermes1.fth.net; 31 Jul 2002 21:23:20 +0200 Received: from mx14.hotmail.com (host217-37-137-73.in-addr.btopenworld.com [217.37.137.73]) by p_fingerprint.fingerprint.com.br with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2656.59) id P9JH5C8X; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:20:52 -0300 Message-ID: <000068b3323b$0000118f$00001ffb@mx14.hotmail.com> To: Cc: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , From: "Floy Olen" Subject: Repair your credit right online! 13354 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:19:51 -1700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Reply-To: rrielultuopoed@hotmail.com X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 731 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable creditfix
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From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Wed Jul 31 20:02:47 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA22120 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id AC9263EC31; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 02:15:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 205A83EC1C for ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 02:15:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (207.217.120.232) by hermes1.fth.net; 1 Aug 2002 02:03:17 +0200 Received: from user-vcaurv3.dsl.mindspring.com ([216.175.111.227] helo=ANDREWLAPTOP) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17a3Qx-0006Xu-00; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:03:15 -0700 From: "Andrew Smith" To: "'Cheng-Yin Lee'" Cc: Subject: RE: draft-ietf-ppvpn-ce-based-02.txt Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:03:04 -0700 Message-ID: <055a01c238ee$d206d430$1400000a@ANDREWLAPTOP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3D481935.1A3EAEF7@alcatel.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 732 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think this discussion is getting way beyond what the WG is chartered to accomplish (http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/ppvpn-charter.html): "The effort will produce a small number of approaches that are based on collections of individual technologies that already exist (see below for specifics). The goal is to foster interoperability among implementations of a specific approach. Standardization of specific approaches will be gauged on (I)SP support. Note that it is not a goal of this WG to develop new protocols or extend existing ones. Rather, the purpose is to document and identify gaps and shortcomings in individual approaches with regards to the requirements. In the case that specific work items are identified, such work will be done in an appropriate WG. Taking on specific protocol work items in this WG will require rechartering." Andrew Smith -----Original Message----- From: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com [mailto:ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com] On Behalf Of Cheng-Yin Lee Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 10:07 AM To: erosen@cisco.com Cc: jeremy.de_clercq@alcatel.be; ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com; cwang@smartpipes.com Subject: Re: draft-ietf-ppvpn-ce-based-02.txt Eric, Your suggestion that PE is manually configured is of course not desirable, perhaps because you view configuration as manual configuration only? As you suggested as well, creation of filters could be automated. This may be viewed as auto-configuration of PEs, and perhaps the filter/CE addresses could be obtained from the server used for CE auto-config. To be able to continue with a fruitful discussion, we need some kind of agreement or assumption on what protocol or mechanism could be used for auto-discovery/config... So why don't you suggest one that we could use for this discussion? regards cheng-yin Eric Rosen wrote: > Cheng-Yin> a filter for e.g. which allows only tunneled traffic to > Cheng-Yin> other CEs of the VPN may be configured on the PE as well. > > So you are proposing that each PE be manually configured with > the IP addresses of all the CEs that are members of any VPN that is > attached to it? I hope the applicability statement discussed the > scalability of that procedure! Also, make sure to indicate that > the PEs must maintain state which is specific to the VPNs. > > A more reasonable approach would be to have the PEs participate in > some way in the auto-discovery procedure, so that the creation of > the filters could be automated. I'm not sure how this would be > done, given the kinds of auto-discovery procedures that are > discussed. Even so, that would still eliminate the claim that the > PEs have no per-VPN state. 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