the=20 fact that you require both xcindex and outsegmentindex to access the xctabl= e=20 (apart from insegment label and index) indicates that the two values m= ay be=20 different. or have I missed something...?

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Hi

If anyone has worked with the implementation of the m= pls-lsr=20 mib,please mail me separately.

Am trying to simulate a mpls vpn in hub-n-spoke topol= ogy.The=20 doubt I have is that I require my mplsXCIndex(mplsXCTable) to have differ= ent=20 values than the mplsOutSegmentIndex(Cisco implementation says keep same v= alues=20 for both).

So wish to confirm before going ahead.

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This draft is a work item of the Provider Provisioned Virtual Private Networks Working Group of the IETF. Title : PPVPN L2 Framework Author(s) : L. Andersson Filename : draft-ietf-ppvpn-l2-framework-00.txt Pages : Date : 01-Aug-02 This document provides a framework for Layer 2 Provider Provisioned Virtual Private Networks (PPVPNs). This framework is intended to aid in standardizing protocols and mechanisms to support interoperable Layer 2 PPVPNs. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ppvpn-l2-framework-00.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-ppvpn-l2-framework-00.txt". 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Eric Rosen wrote: > Acee> Here are my comments on draft-rosen-vpns-ospf-bgp-mpls-04.txt and > Acee> draft-rosen-ppvpn-ospf2547-area0-00.txt: > > Acee> General: > > Acee> - It would seem that these two drafts could be combined since > Acee> draft-rosen-ppvpn-ospf2547-area0-00.txt only contains a couple > Acee> paragraphs of unique information. This would also avoid all > Acee> references in draft-rosen-vpns-ospf-bgp-mpls-04.txt > > They were separated into two drafts since the "couple of paragraphs of > unique information" in the area 0 draft include a new use of one of the LSA > options bits, and hence needs discussion by the OSPF WG. The other draft > does not require any new use of any OSPF protocol field. True. There are a number of draft contending for this OSPF option bit (I think this only one getting traction as far as implementation and deployment). However, I think that draft-route-vpns-ospf-bgp-mpls-04.txt should be discussed by the OSPF WG as well since it has impacts how OSPF does route redistribution. > > Acee> - The PE router doesn't really have to be an ABR. It is already > Acee> "faking" that VPN redistributed routes are inter-area routes. It > Acee> can also set its router LSA B bit accordingly. Oh well, maybe this > Acee> could be considered an implementation detail. > > Would it be more accurate to say "the PE router acts, to the CE router, as > an ABR?" That's good. Or you might say "The PE router presents itself to the CE router as an ABR by setting the B bit in it's router LSA." > > Acee> draft-rosen-vpns-ospf-bgp-mpls-04.txt: > > Acee> - Page 4, second list item. Since the VPN routes are advertised as > Acee> type 3 LSAs, I believe you should say "inter-area routes" rather > Acee> than "intra-network routes". > > Intra-network routes is the requirement, inter-area routes is the solution. > > Acee> - Page 11 - Why is auto-configuration a "MUST"? > > I don't see where it says that. This text could be interpreted in multiple ways. 4.2.3.2. Creating Sham Links Sham links may be manually configured, or they may be auto- configured. Each VRF that is associated with a PE-CE link on which OSPF is running MUST be configurable as to whether auto-configuration of sham links to/from that VRF is allowed. The default MUST be "manual configuration". > > Acee> - Page 12, last paragraph - Don't you mean that the PE should not > Acee> install the route into the VRF routing table (since there should > Acee> already be a BGP route). This will insure it doesn't replace the > Acee> route and that it is not redistributed. > > The route has to be in the VRF or won't be used, but it should not be > redistributed via BGP. Ok - I agree that what is important is preventing redistribution of the route back into BGP. However,the VRF should already have an iBGP route (if it doesn't, how can you be sure the VPN backbone has the route?). New comment: Discuss sham link MTU including the fact that the "Interface MTU" field in Database Description packets should be set to 0 similar to virtual links. 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Andersson > Filename : draft-ietf-ppvpn-l2-framework-00.txt > Pages : > Date : 01-Aug-02 > > This document provides a framework for Layer 2 Provider Provisioned > Virtual Private Networks (PPVPNs). This framework is intended to aid in > standardizing protocols and mechanisms to support interoperable Layer 2 > PPVPNs. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ppvpn-l2-framework-00.txt > > To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to > ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username > "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. 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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 18:54:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 755 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, all. Can anyone knows when and where next PPVPN WG meeting is held? Atlanta??? and when??? 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This looks fine for ATM ACs where inbound and outbound circuits are required. How can we apply this to an Ethernet AC ? Thanks Paari From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Mon Aug 5 09:53:30 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA13318 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 6EA303EC1D; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:06:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6707E3EC12 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:06:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from funnel.cisco.com (161.44.168.79) by hermes1.fth.net; 5 Aug 2002 15:54:06 +0200 Received: from erosen-u10.cisco.com (erosen-u10.cisco.com [161.44.134.50]) by funnel.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA21418; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (erosen@localhost) by erosen-u10.cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/CISCO.WS.1.2) with ESMTP id JAA17143; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200208051354.JAA17143@erosen-u10.cisco.com> X-Authentication-Warning: erosen-u10.cisco.com: erosen owned process doing -bs To: "Paari" Cc: loa.andersson@utfors.se, ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Subject: Re: L2 Framework - Attachment Circuits In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 05 Aug 2002 17:05:21 +0530. Reply-To: erosen@cisco.com User-Agent: EMH/1.14.1 SEMI/1.14.3 (Ushinoya) FLIM/1.14.3 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Unebigory=F2mae?=) APEL/10.3 Emacs/21.2 (sparc-sun-solaris2.6) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.3 - "Ushinoya") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 09:54:05 -0400 From: Eric Rosen X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 763 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Paari> In the draft draft-ietf-ppvpn-l2-framework-00.txt Paari> In section 3.2.1 Attachment Circuits Paari> There is reference to ingress and egress ACs. Paari> This looks fine for ATM ACs where inbound and outbound circuits are Paari> required. Paari> How can we apply this to an Ethernet AC ? What is meant is the following. With respect to a given frame, its ingress AC is the AC that carries it from CE to PE, and its egress AC is the AC that carries it from PE to CE. From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Mon Aug 5 09:57:28 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA13543 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id D36CD3EC1D; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:10:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBF973EC12 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:10:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from funnel.cisco.com (161.44.168.79) by hermes1.fth.net; 5 Aug 2002 15:58:03 +0200 Received: from erosen-u10.cisco.com (erosen-u10.cisco.com [161.44.134.50]) by funnel.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA21674; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (erosen@localhost) by erosen-u10.cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/CISCO.WS.1.2) with ESMTP id JAA17748; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 09:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200208051358.JAA17748@erosen-u10.cisco.com> X-Authentication-Warning: erosen-u10.cisco.com: erosen owned process doing -bs To: "Andrew Smith" Cc: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Subject: Re: Administrative management boundaries in (RE: draft-ietf-ppvpn-ce-based-02.txt ) In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 02 Aug 2002 20:55:29 -0700. <06a301c23aa1$9ed41500$1400000a@ANDREWLAPTOP> Reply-To: erosen@cisco.com User-Agent: EMH/1.14.1 SEMI/1.14.3 (Ushinoya) FLIM/1.14.3 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Unebigory=F2mae?=) APEL/10.3 Emacs/21.2 (sparc-sun-solaris2.6) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.3 - "Ushinoya") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 09:58:02 -0400 From: Eric Rosen X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 764 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Andrew> in order to have a healthy relationship between provider and Andrew> customer you have to establish clean administrative management Andrew> boundaries. 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From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Mon Aug 5 10:03:43 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA14004 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 7D09D3EC1E; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:16:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDB753EC12 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:16:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from cisco.com (192.122.173.199) by hermes1.fth.net; 5 Aug 2002 16:04:17 +0200 Received: from pelangovpc ([10.77.201.78]) by cisco.com (8.8.8/2.6/Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA27928; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:32:14 +0530 (IST) From: "Paari" To: Cc: , Subject: RE: L2 Framework - Attachment Circuits Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:34:06 +0530 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <200208051354.JAA17143@erosen-u10.cisco.com> Importance: Normal X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 765 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Eric, But my question was unlike the ATM, Ethernet requires only one Attachment Circuit for both inbound and outbound traffic. Isn't it ? Thanks Paari -----Original Message----- From: Eric Rosen [mailto:erosen@cisco.com] Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 7:24 PM To: Paari Cc: loa.andersson@utfors.se; ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Subject: Re: L2 Framework - Attachment Circuits Paari> In the draft draft-ietf-ppvpn-l2-framework-00.txt Paari> In section 3.2.1 Attachment Circuits Paari> There is reference to ingress and egress ACs. Paari> This looks fine for ATM ACs where inbound and outbound circuits are Paari> required. Paari> How can we apply this to an Ethernet AC ? What is meant is the following. With respect to a given frame, its ingress AC is the AC that carries it from CE to PE, and its egress AC is the AC that carries it from PE to CE. From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Mon Aug 5 10:09:54 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA14423 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 299BE3EC24; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:22:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BF923EC12 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:22:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from funnel.cisco.com (161.44.168.79) by hermes1.fth.net; 5 Aug 2002 16:10:31 +0200 Received: from erosen-u10.cisco.com (erosen-u10.cisco.com [161.44.134.50]) by funnel.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA22583; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (erosen@localhost) by erosen-u10.cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/CISCO.WS.1.2) with ESMTP id KAA19015; Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200208051410.KAA19015@erosen-u10.cisco.com> X-Authentication-Warning: erosen-u10.cisco.com: erosen owned process doing -bs To: "Paari" Cc: loa.andersson@utfors.se, ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Subject: Re: L2 Framework - Attachment Circuits In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 05 Aug 2002 19:34:06 +0530. 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Nadeau" Subject: Re: mpls-lsr mib doubt Cc: , In-Reply-To: <012e01c23a03$efc9fc20$f80f050a@mahindrabt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 769 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com >Hi >If anyone has worked with the implementation of the mpls-lsr mib,please >mail me separately. >Am trying to simulate a mpls vpn in hub-n-spoke topology.The doubt I have >is that I require my >mplsXCIndex(mplsXCTable) to have different values than the >mplsOutSegmentIndex(Cisco implementation says keep same values for both). In general, the mplsOutSegmentIndex and mplsXCIndex values are defined as two unsigned 32-bit quantities that are chosen by the implementation (or manager if allowing writes). In my case, we implemented the outSegmentIndex to be the same as the XCIndex to make our implementation easier. 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Nadeau" Subject: Re: MIB Question Cc: mpls@UU.NET, , pwe3@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <9FBD322B7824D511B36900508BF93C9C04D2A6AA@zcard031.ca.norte l.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 770 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com [Cross-posting as this discussion has applicability to all three WGs.] At 02:37 PM 8/2/2002 -0400, David Allan wrote: >I've been rummaging through MTU related stuff and not that there is >no-where that record MTU discards (either MPLS MIBs or Interfaces group >MIB). Agree that for IP, it's a big yawn and probably means someone is >doing MTU discovery and is a non-problem. > >Issues is PWs where there is no payload fragmentation and VPNs where the >packet payload has no provider routable addresses in it (no ICMP reply >possible). IMHO the "use a big MTU" stipulation won't hold up forever, and >some token effort to prepare for the future may be in order. > >Seems to me that it would be useful to have a counter in the LSR MIB for >non-IP MTU discards (maybe with a threshold trap although I'll let my >betters comment further) so that at least some indication of a problem was >possible as currently packets simply "black hole". I'd suggest that the >non-IP category would also include stack depth > 1 (e.g. 2547) as ideally >path MTU handling for a VPN should be a PE problem. Dave, The MPLS-LSR MIB does contain counters that an implementation may count MTU errors: mplsInSegmentErrors, mplsInSegmentDiscards, mplsOutSegmentErrors, and mplsOutSegmentDiscards. However, I do agree that MTU discards are not explicitly counted. In the non-PW and non-VPN cases, I have not seen any requirements to-date to add such counters from providers, thus we have not added any. One question, you mention this within the context of PW/VPN. 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*** From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Thu Aug 15 08:16:25 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA22102 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 8605A3EC4F; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:29:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8C933EC30 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:29:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ietf.org (132.151.1.176) by hermes1.fth.net; 15 Aug 2002 14:17:07 +0200 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA21961; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200208151215.IAA21961@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-To: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ppvpn-as-vr-00.txt Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:15:47 -0400 Sender: nsyracus@cnri.reston.va.us X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 800 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Provider Provisioned Virtual Private Networks Working Group of the IETF. Title : Applicability Statement for Virtual Router-based Layer 3 PPVPN approaches Author(s) : A. Nagarajan et al. Filename : draft-ietf-ppvpn-as-vr-00.txt Pages : 19 Date : 14-Aug-02 This document is an applicability statement for Layer 3 Provider Provisioned VPNs (L3 PPVPNs) that is based on Virtual Router (VR) approaches. This document describes how VR-based approaches meet the key requirements that are outlined in the PPVPN Applicability Statements Guideline document. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ppvpn-as-vr-00.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20020814134936.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ppvpn-l3vpn-auth-00.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ppvpn-l3vpn-auth-00.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20020814134936.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Thu Aug 15 13:20:18 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA05512 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 896E43EC4F; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 19:33:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E083EC37 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 19:33:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hawk.CrescentNetworks.com (66.105.92.144) by hermes1.fth.net; 15 Aug 2002 19:21:00 +0200 Received: from kstumpf (t3dhcp93.in.crescentnets.com [192.168.50.93]) by hawk.CrescentNetworks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA26203; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:19:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "James V. Luciani" To: "Dean Frohwerk" , "'Marcel Cavalcanti De Castro'" , Subject: RE: Comparison between Virtual Router and BGP/MPLS Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:19:26 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0170_01C2445E.60EBDCC0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <710197BD5AF9D4119E4400508BCFA136042F2F7E@zcard04u.ca.nortel.com> X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 802 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0170_01C2445E.60EBDCC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit RE: Comparison between Virtual Router and BGP/MPLSThe applicability statement is also useful in this regard: draft-ietf-ppvpn-as-vr-00.txt Also see draft-ietf-ppvpn-vr-mib-0?.txt for the management information -----Original Message----- From: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com [mailto:ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com]On Behalf Of Dean Frohwerk Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:40 AM To: 'Marcel Cavalcanti De Castro'; ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Subject: RE: Comparison between Virtual Router and BGP/MPLS I am not exactly sure what you are looking for but the documents below should serve as a starting point. You could also explore the vendors sites that use this technology, there are a number of them. draft-ietf-ppvpn-vpn-vr-03.txt Network based IP VPN Architecture using Virtual Routers RFC 2764 Framework for IP Based Virtual Private Networks (description of VPNs including VR) draft-ietf-ppvpn-bgpvpn-auto-02.txt Using BGP as an Auto-Discovery Mechanism for Network-based VPNs (VR and MPLS/BGP) Dean Frohwerk -----Original Message----- From: Marcel Cavalcanti De Castro [mailto:castro@dt.fee.unicamp.br] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:24 AM To: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Subject: Comparison between Virtual Router and BGP/MPLS I would like to do a comparison between the arquitecture of VPN using VR and using BGP/MPLS(RFC2547bis), but I have some problems to find documents about the Virtual Router. Could anybody tell me where can I find documents in this topic, or projects that have been using this tecnology? I need documents that explore it showing how messages are exchanged, something that I can use to do a specification. Thanks for your attention Regards ----------------------------------------------------------- Marcel Cavalcanti de Castro Departamento de Telemática - DT Universidade Estadual de Campinas - UNICAMP ----------------------------------------------------------- ------=_NextPart_000_0170_01C2445E.60EBDCC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Comparison between Virtual Router and BGP/MPLS</TITL= E> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2716.2200" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV>The=20 applicability statement is also useful in this regard:</DIV> <DIV> draft-ietf-ppvpn-as-vr-00.txt</DI= V> <DIV>Also=20 see</DIV> <DIV> draft-ietf-ppvpn-vr-mib-0?.txt</D= IV> <DIV><F= ONT=20 face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff>for the management=20 information</DIV> <DIV><SPAN= =20 class=3D279161517-15082002> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN=20 class=3D279161517-15082002> -----Original Message----- Fr= om:=20 ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com=20 [mailto:ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com]On Behalf Of Dean=20 Frohwerk Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:40 AM To: 'M= arcel=20 Cavalcanti De Castro'; ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Subject: RE:= =20 Comparison between Virtual Router and BGP/MPLS </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px soli= d"> I am not exactly sure what you are looking for but the= =20 documents below should serve as a starting point. You could also ex= plore=20 the vendors sites that use this technology, there are a number of=20 them. draft-ietf-ppvpn-vpn-vr-03.txt =20 Network based IP VPN Architecture us= ing=20 Virtual Routers RFC 2764=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Framework for IP Based Virtual= =20 Private Networks (description of VPNs including VR) draft-ietf-ppvpn-bgpvpn-auto-02.txt Using BGP as an=20 Auto-Discovery Mechanism for Network-based VPNs (VR and MPLS/BGP) = Dean=20 Frohwerk = ; &n= bsp; = ; =20 <FONT=20 size=3D2> &nbs= p; =20 -----Original Message----- <FONT=20 size=3D2>From: Marcel Cavalcanti De Castro [<A=20 href=3D"mailto:castro@dt.fee.unicamp.br">mailto:castro@dt.fee.unicamp.br<= /A>]=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:24 AM <FO= NT=20 size=3D2>To: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Subj= ect:=20 Comparison between Virtual Router and BGP/MPLS I would like= to do=20 a comparison between the arquitecture of VPN us= ing VR=20 and using BGP/MPLS(RFC2547bis), but I have some problems to find= =20 documents about the Virtual Router.=20 Could anybo= dy tell=20 me where can I find documents in this topic, or= =20 projects that have been using this tecnology?=20 I ne= ed=20 documents that explore it showing how messages are <FONT=20 size=3D2>exchanged, something that I can use to do a specification.</FONT= >=20 Thanks for = your=20 attention <FONT=20 size=3D2>Regards =20 </FON= T> <FONT=20 size=3D2>-----------------------------------------------------------</FON= T>=20 <FONT=20 size=3D2> &nbs= p; =20 Marcel Cavalcanti de Castro <FONT=20 size=3D2> &nbs= p;=20 Departamento de Telem=E1tica - DT <FONT=20 size=3D2> Universidade Estadual de Ca= mpinas=20 - UNICAMP <FONT=20 size=3D2>-----------------------------------------------------------</FON= T>=20 </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0170_01C2445E.60EBDCC0-- From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Fri Aug 16 12:30:11 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA21804 for <ppvpn-archive@odin.ietf.org>; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id D30993EC1A; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:43:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8DD63EC12 for <ppvpn@cerbere.minitel.net>; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:43:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from correo.adinet.com.uy (206.99.44.29) by hermes1.fth.net; 16 Aug 2002 18:30:55 +0200 Received: from adinet.com.uy (200.61.110.21) by correo.adinet.com.uy (5.5.052) id 3D58014D000757FF; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:21:49 -0300 Message-ID: <3D58014D000757FF@correo.adinet.com.uy> (added by postmaster@adinet.com.uy) From: "La Sociedad Digital" <ilim@adinet.com.uy> To: (La Sociedad Digital) Subject: Presentacion de La Sociedad Digital. 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Kind Regards, Noel Parnis Technology Systems Architecture, Vodafone UK, Speen Court, Oxford Road, Newbury, Berkshire, RG14 1PB Tel: (+44) 01635 67 3995 Mobile: (+44) 07766 558732 From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Mon Aug 19 07:31:56 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA28243 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 07:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 6F8643EC1B; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:44:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2DAA3EC14 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:44:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fsnt.future.futsoft.com (203.197.140.35) by hermes1.fth.net; 19 Aug 2002 13:32:41 +0200 Received: from kailash.future.futsoft.com (unverified) by fsnt.future.futsoft.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:01:54 +0530 Received: from sailendram (sailendram.future.futsoft.com [10.4.8.18]) by kailash.future.futsoft.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g7JBWFvr027187; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:02:16 +0530 Reply-To: From: "sailendra mahanty" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Question Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:39:13 +0530 Message-Id: <005301c24770$db79d860$1208040a@future.futsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 808 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you can find at http://www.watersprings.org/pub/id/draft-harrison-mpls-oam-req-01.txt Rgds, -sail -----Original Message----- From: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com [mailto:ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com]On Behalf Of Noel.Parnis@vodafone.co.uk Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 4:17 PM To: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Subject: Question Can anybody tell me how I can get access to the latest version of the harrison draft: harrison-mpls-oam-req, which I understand is expired but would like to have a look at? Thank you. Kind Regards, Noel Parnis Technology Systems Architecture, Vodafone UK, Speen Court, Oxford Road, Newbury, Berkshire, RG14 1PB Tel: (+44) 01635 67 3995 Mobile: (+44) 07766 558732 *************************************************************************** This message is proprietary to Future Software Limited (FSL) and is intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged or confidential information and should not be circulated or used for any purpose other than for what it is intended. If you have received this message in error, please notify the originator immediately. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that you are strictly prohibited from using, copying, altering, or disclosing the contents of this message. FSL accepts no responsibility for loss or damage arising from the use of the information transmitted by this email including damage from virus. *************************************************************************** From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Mon Aug 19 17:15:47 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA16007 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 0E6FA3EC18; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:28:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3D093EC11 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 23:28:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from almso2.proxy.att.com (192.128.166.71) by hermes1.fth.net; 19 Aug 2002 23:16:32 +0200 Received: from attrh0i.attrh.att.com ([135.37.94.54]) by almso2.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-4.0) with ESMTP id g7JKogUr002280 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from occlust04evs1.ugd.att.com (135.71.164.12) by attrh0i.attrh.att.com (6.5.019) id 3CE53F4A029234AD for ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:16:26 -0400 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Subject: Proposal for MPLS-VPN-MIB enhancements Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:16:26 -0400 Message-ID: <28F05913385EAC43AF019413F674A0170189B8F2@OCCLUST04EVS1.ugd.att.com> Thread-Topic: tewg-mib, mpls mibs Thread-Index: AcIujeDpsK4tcg6ZRqGISbEzRLRQGwZM1pLg From: "Lai, Wai S (Waisum), ALASO" To: X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 809 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ietf.org id RAA16007 I would like to propose the following enhancements for consideration in draft-ietf-ppvpn-mpls-vpn-mib-04: (1) Currently, there is the mplsNumVrfRouteMaxThreshExceeded notification when the VRF maximum route threshold is exceeded. It is suggested to add a counter for the number of routes dropped due to such threshold being exceeded. The reporting of such a count is useful for capacity planning and for threshold tunning purposes. (2) In the mplsVpnVrfRouteTargetTable table, it appears that there is no explicit mapping between the route targets (RT) and their associated Route Distinguisher (RD). It is suggested to add such association between VRF, RD, and RT in this table. Comments are welcome. Thanks, Wai Sum. From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Tue Aug 20 11:29:44 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA17407 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 4C3C03EC19; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:42:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25AD93EC11 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:42:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from chandgate.mahindrabt.com (203.124.156.98) by hermes1.fth.net; 20 Aug 2002 17:30:32 +0200 Received: from mahindrabt.com (mailscan.chand.mahindrabt.com [10.3.0.15]) by chandgate.mahindrabt.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id UAA18072 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:50:09 +0530 X-SMTP-Sending-IP: 10.3.0.2 Received: from intranet.chand.mahindrabt.com by mahindrabt.com ; 20 Aug 2002 20:52:55 +0530 Received: from mahindrabt.com ([10.3.8.144]) by intranet.chand.mahindrabt.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23681 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:50:04 +0530 Message-ID: <3D625E2E.5F866E41@mahindrabt.com> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:50:14 +0530 From: Sanjeev Sagar Mudumba X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Subject: Regarding the LSR Mib Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 810 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Can any one tell me any documents/source where I can find the behaviour of the attributes of mplsInSegmentTable, mplsOutSegmentTable and mplsXCTable when an LSP comes up/goes down. regards, -Sanjeev ************************************************************** Scanned by eScan Content-Security and Anti-Virus Software. 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Nadeau" Subject: Re: Regarding the LSR Mib Cc: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com In-Reply-To: <3D625E2E.5F866E41@mahindrabt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 811 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Do you mean in addition to the draft of the MIB? --Tom >Can any one tell me any documents/source where I can find the behaviour >of the attributes of mplsInSegmentTable, mplsOutSegmentTable and >mplsXCTable when an LSP comes up/goes down. > >regards, >-Sanjeev > >************************************************************** >Scanned by eScan Content-Security and Anti-Virus Software. >Visit http://www.mwti.net for more info on eScan and MailScan. >************************************************************** > > >********************************************************* >Disclaimer > >This message (including any attachments) contains >confidential information intended for a specific >individual and purpose, and is protected by law. >If you are not the intended recipient, you should >delete this message and are hereby notified that >any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this >message, or the taking of any action based on it, >is strictly prohibited. > >********************************************************* >Visit us at http://www.mahindrabt.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mathematics is the supreme nostalgia of our time. 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Nadeau" Cc: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Subject: Re: Regarding the LSR Mib References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020820113950.05dd1910@bucket.cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 814 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes. "Thomas D. 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Nadeau" Subject: Re: Regarding the LSR Mib Cc: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com In-Reply-To: <3D6317AC.6897A6FF@mahindrabt.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020820113950.05dd1910@bucket.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 816 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Try here: http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/mpls-charter.html --Tom >Yes. > >"Thomas D. 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The purpose of my introduction is that I am M.Ayoof= or the first son of Frank Ayoofor ,a farmer in Zimbabwe who was recently mu= rdered in the land dispute in my country. I got your contact through networ= k online hence decided to write you. Before the death of my father, he had taken me to Johannesburg to deposit the sum of US8.5 million (Eight million, Five Hundred thousand Unit= ed States dollars), in one of the private security company, as he foresaw t= he looming danger in Zimbabwe this money was deposited in a box as gem ston= es to avoid much demurrage from security company. This amount was meant for= the purchase of new machines and chemicals for the Farms and establishment= of new farms in Swaziland. This land problem came when Zimbabwean President Mr.Robert Mugabe introduced a new Land Act Reform wholly affecting the rich white farmers and some few black farmers, and this resulted to the killing and mob action by Zimbabwean war veterans and some lunatics in the society. In fact a lot of people were killed because of this Land reform Act for which my father was one of the victims. It is against this background that, I and my family fled Zimbabwe for fear of our lives and are currently staying in the Netherlands where we are seeking political asylum and moreso have decided to transfer my father=92s money to a more reliable foreign account. since the law of Netherlands prohibits a refugee (asylum seeker) to open any bank account or to be involved in any financial transaction throughout the territorial zone of Netherlands, As the eldest son of my father, I am saddled with the responsibility of seeking a genuine foreign account where this money could be transferred without the knowledge of my government who are bent on taking everything we have got. The South African government seems to be playing along with th= em. 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Thanks, GOD BLESS YOU Yours Faithfully Ayoofor=20=20 --7284f1d5-6a40-4773-b114-801944836244-- From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Wed Aug 21 13:34:52 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA18775 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:34:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 8E2843EC1D; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:47:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8261F3EC12 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:47:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from rtp-msg-core-1.cisco.com (161.44.11.97) by hermes1.fth.net; 21 Aug 2002 19:35:41 +0200 Received: from bucket.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rtp-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g7LHZh6Z001835; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tnadeau-w2k.cisco.com (che-vpn1-30.cisco.com [10.86.240.30]) by bucket.cisco.com (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id ABL90398; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020821132928.049fda90@bucket.cisco.com> X-Sender: tnadeau@bucket.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:35:34 -0400 To: "Lai, Wai S (Waisum), ALASO" From: "Thomas D. Nadeau" Subject: Re: Proposal for MPLS-VPN-MIB enhancements Cc: In-Reply-To: <28F05913385EAC43AF019413F674A0170189B8F2@OCCLUST04EVS1.ugd .att.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 819 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com >I would like to propose the following enhancements for consideration in >draft-ietf-ppvpn-mpls-vpn-mib-04: > >(1) Currently, there is the mplsNumVrfRouteMaxThreshExceeded >notification >when the VRF maximum route threshold is exceeded. It is suggested to >add >a counter for the number of routes dropped due to such threshold being >exceeded. The reporting of such a count is useful for capacity planning >and for threshold tunning purposes. What practical purpose do you see in counting routes that are not added beyond knowing that you have exceed that operator-defined threshold? >(2) In the mplsVpnVrfRouteTargetTable table, it appears that there is no >explicit mapping between the route targets (RT) and their associated >Route Distinguisher (RD). It is suggested to add such association between >VRF, RD, and RT in this table. What do you mean by an explicit mapping -- an index? The current RouteTarget table contains the associated RD for each RT entry: MplsVpnVrfRouteTargetEntry ::= SEQUENCE { mplsVpnVrfRouteTargetIndex Unsigned32, mplsVpnVrfRouteTargetType INTEGER, mplsVpnVrfRouteTarget MplsVpnRouteDistinguisher, mplsVpnVrfRouteTargetDescr DisplayString, mplsVpnVrfRouteTargetRowStatus RowStatus } --Tom >Comments are welcome. >Thanks, Wai Sum. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mathematics is the supreme nostalgia of our time. 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IT IS UP TO YOU NOW!!! MORETES TIMONIALS My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody and I live in Chicago. I am an accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received this program I grumbled to Jody about receiving junk mail. I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I knew it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and few days later she jumped in with both fee. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old I told you so on her when the thing didn't work. Well, the laugh was on me! Within 3 weeks she had received 50 responses. Within the next 45 days she received total $147,200.00..all cash! I was shocked. I have joined Jody in her hobby. Mitchell Wolf C.P.A., Chicago, Illinois ========================================= Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative as I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back. I was surprised when I found my medium size post office box crammed with orders. I made $319,210.00 in the first 12 weeks. The nice thing about this deal is that it does not matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return and so big. Dan Sondstrum Alberta, CA ========================================= I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I should have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed again by someone else. 11 months passed then it luckily came again I did not delete this one! I made more than $490,000.00 on my first try and all the money came within 22 weeks. Susan De Suza, New York, N.Y. ========================================= It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money with little cost to you. I followed the simple instructions carefully and within 10 days the money started to come in. My first month I made $20,560.00 and by the end of the third month my total cash count was $362,840.00. Life is beautiful, Thanks to the Internet. Fred Dellaca, Westport, New Zealand ========================================= ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM! ========================================= If you have any questions of the legality of this program contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices, Federal Trade Commission, Bureau of Consumer Protection, and Washington, D.C. ========================================= ONE TIME MAILING, NO NEED TO REMOVE ======================================== From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Thu Aug 22 02:51:28 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA16797 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 02:51:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 07CD33EC1C; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:04:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62A843EC12 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:04:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mailcity.com (209.185.123.96) by hermes1.fth.net; 22 Aug 2002 08:52:16 +0200 Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailcity.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 06:52:01 -0000 To: smabutu2001@lycos.com Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:52:01 +0100 From: "sadebe mabutu" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: smabutu2001@lycos.com X-Mailer: MailCity Service X-Priority: 3 Subject: CONFIDENTIAL BUSINESS PROPOSAL X-Sender-Ip: 212.87.127.249 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: smabutu2001@mailcity.com X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 821 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit AMSTERDAM THE NETHERLANDS CONFIDENTIAL BUSINESS PROPOSAL You may be surprised to receive this letter from me since you do not know me personally. 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From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Thu Aug 22 11:39:05 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA29343 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 29F0C3EC1D; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:52:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A653EC14 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:52:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from almso2.proxy.att.com (192.128.166.71) by hermes1.fth.net; 22 Aug 2002 17:39:53 +0200 Received: from attrh3i.attrh.att.com ([135.71.62.12]) by almso2.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-4.0) with ESMTP id g7MEwWVh008502 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from occlust04evs1.ugd.att.com (135.71.164.13) by attrh3i.attrh.att.com (6.5.019) id 3CE519BE02CA716F for ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:39:52 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: Proposal for MPLS-VPN-MIB enhancements Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:39:51 -0400 Message-ID: <134900A98B3D474BABDE990759B2762702CD1AD9@OCCLUST04EVS1.ugd.att.com> Thread-Topic: tewg-mib, mpls mibs Thread-Index: AcIujeDpsK4tcg6ZRqGISbEzRLRQGwZM1pLgAIuLf7A= From: "Van Der Linde, Harmen, ALCNS" To: "Lai, Wai S (Waisum), ALASO" Cc: X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 823 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ietf.org id LAA29343 Wai, Regarding: > I would like to propose the following enhancements for > consideration in draft-ietf-ppvpn-mpls-vpn-mib-04: > > (1) Currently, there is the mplsNumVrfRouteMaxThreshExceeded > notification when the VRF maximum route threshold is exceeded. > It is suggested to add a counter for the number of routes dropped > due to such threshold being exceeded. The reporting of such a > count is useful for capacity planning and for threshold tunning purposes. For capacity planning one would typically analyze resource usage statistics such as performance and utilization counts instead of exception counts like nr of routes exceeded in this case. Can you explain why, for traffic engineering purposes, you want to know about the nr of dropped VRF routes instead of simply monitoring the actual nr of VRF routes? Maintaining the nr of dropped VRF routes seems to be rather expensive in terms of memory/implementation and I don't see how that can be justified. Note that route-limit threshold values are usually set as a fixed percentage and are not derived from the nr of VRF routes or nr of dropped VRF routes. regards, Harmen --------------------------------------------------- Harmen van der Linde AT&T - Frame Relay Network Mgnt Platform Planning Room C2-3C34 200 Laurel Ave Middletown, NJ 07748 Work: 732-420-1916 Home: 732-706-2838 Cell: 732-809-3007 --------------------------------------------------- From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Thu Aug 22 12:21:37 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA01431 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 7CE143EC25; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:34:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE6743EC14 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:34:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pirosan.star2.net (63.110.140.40) by hermes1.fth.net; 22 Aug 2002 18:22:28 +0200 Received: from jotux@usb (unverified [67.192.230.95]) by pirosan.star2.net (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.200) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:25:37 -0700 Message-ID: <4123-22002842242255990@jotux@usb> From: simple4u2do@hotmail.com To: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Subject: IT'S SO SIMPLE...... Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 00:22:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 824 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ietf.org id MAA01431 Dear Future Friend: I'll make you a promise. READ THIS TO THE END! Follow what it says to the letter and you will not worry whether a RECESSION is coming or not, who is President, or whether you keep your current job or not.ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Yes, I know what you are thinking. I never responded to one of these before either. One day though, something just said you throw away $25.00 going to a movie for 2 hours. What the heck. Believe me, no matter where you believe those feelings come from, I thank goodness every day that I had that feeling. 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I followed the simple instructions and walaa.3 weeks later the money started to come in. First month I only made $240.00 but the next 2 months after that I made a total of $290,000.00. So far, in the past 8 months by re-entering the program, I have made over $710,000.00 and I am playing it again. The key to success in this program is to follow the simple steps and NOT change anything. More testimonials later but first: PRINT THIS NOW FOR YOUR FUTURE REFERENCE======= $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ If you would like to make at least $500,000 every 4 to 5 months easily and comfortably, please read the following, THEN READ IT AGAIN and AGAIN!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ FOLLOW THE SIMPLE INSTRUCTION BELOW AND YOUR FINANCIAL DREAMS WILL COME TRUE, GUARANTEED! INSTRUCTIONS: Order all 5 reports shown on the list below For each report, send $5 CASH, THE NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING and YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS to the person whose name appears ON THAT LIST next to the report. MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE TOP LEFT CORNER in case of any mail problems. WHEN YOU PLACE YOUR ORDER, MAKE SURE YOU ORDER EACH OF THE 5 REPORTS You will need all 5 reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. YOUR TOTAL COST $5 X 5 = $25.00 Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the 5 reports from these 5 different individuals. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. Also, make a floppy of these reports and keep it on your desk in case something happens to your computer. IMPORTANT DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than what is instructed below in step 1 through 6 or you will loose out on the majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you will also see how it does not work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter it, it will NOT work!!! People have tried to put their friends/relatives names on all five thinking they could get all they money. But it doesn't work this way. Believe us, some have tried to be greedy and then nothing happened. So Do Not try to change anything other than what is instructed. Because if you do, it will not work for you. Remember, honesty reaps the reward!!! This IS a legitimate BUSINESS. You are offering a product for sale and getting paid for it. Treat it as such and you will be VERY profitable in a short period of time. 1. 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Dare to think for a moment what would happen if everyone or half or even 4th of those people mailed 100,000 e-mails each or more? There are over 150 million people on the Internet worldwide and counting, with thousands more coming on line every day. Believe me, many people will do just that and more! METHOD #2: BY PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET ========================================= Advertising on the net is very, very inexpensive and there are hundreds if FREE places to advertise. Placing a lot of free ads on the Internet will easily get a larger response. We strongly suggest you start with Method #1 and add Method #2 as you go along. For every $5 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the Report they ordered. That's it. Always provide same day service on all orders. This will guarantee that the e-mail they send out, with your name and address on it, will be prompt because they cannot advertise until they receive the report. ========AVAILABLE REPORTS============ The reason for the cash is not because this is illegal or somehow wrong. It is simply about time. Time for checks or credit cards to be cleared or approved, etc. Concealing it is simply so no one can SEE there is money in the envelope and steal it before it gets to you. ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY. Notes: Always send $5 cash (U.S. CURRENCY) for each Report. Checks NOT accepted. Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least 2 sheets of paper. On one of those sheets of paper write the NUMBER & NAME of the Report you are ordering, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS and your name and postal address. 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I am meck mahabile, the first son of sominu mahabile,the most popular black farmer in Zimbabwe who was recently murdered in the land dispute in my country. I got your contact through network online hence decided to write you. Before the death of my father, he had taken me to Johannesburg to deposit the sum of US8.5 million (Eight million, Five Hundred thousand United States dollars), in one of the private security company, as he foresaw the looming danger in Zimbabwe this money was deposited in a box as gem stones to avoid much demurrage from security company. This amount was meant for the purchase of new machines and chemicals for the Farms and establishment of new farms in Swaziland. This land problem came when Zimbabwean President Mr. Robert Mugabe introduced a new Land Act Reform wholly affecting the rich white farmers and some few black farmers, and this resulted to the killing and mob action by Zimbabwean war veterans and some lunatics in the society. 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