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The document format has been improved. (I also tried to add all who = participated in the phone conference as a "contributor". Let me know if I missed anyone.) The new documents can be found at: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/wd/wd-pmpportmib10-20050401.doc ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/wd/wd-pmpportmib10-20050401.pdf The ASN.1 source is at: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/wd/wd-pmpportmib10-20050401.mib Ron Bergman Ricoh Printing Systems America ------_=_NextPart_001_01C536DC.00397812 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Updated PortMon MIB per yesterday's phone conference

I have added the new objects provided = by Ira and as agreed in yesterday's phone conference.
The document format has been = improved.  (I also tried to add all who participated in the
phone conference as a = "contributor".  Let me know if I missed anyone.)

The new documents can be found = at:

     ft= p://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/wd/wd-pmpportmib10-20050401.doc

     ft= p://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/wd/wd-pmpportmib10-20050401.pdf

The ASN.1 source is at:

     ft= p://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/wd/wd-pmpportmib10-20050401.mib


        Ron Bergman
        Ricoh Printing Systems America

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There is additional text to be added to the body of the document (as opposed to the MIB) from these two issues - in next updated version. Note: This updated MIB no longer compiles, because these new objects have NOT been added to their respective conformance groups and because 'ppmPortEnabled' was left out of the 'PpmPortEntry' SEQUENCE clause for the table. Also, the indentation in ALL of the DESCRIPTION clauses is broken, so the MIB is hard to read. We need to fix these up in the next 'lcrc-' version. 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------=_NextPart_001_0001_D847B0C2.2EAC5820-- ------=_NextPart_000_0000_C261F2F0.7E9E8148-- From pmp-owner@pwg.org Mon Apr 4 12:05:11 2005 Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA21926 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 12:05:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by pwg.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.2) with SMTP id j34G51F27149 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 12:05:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Mon, 4 Apr 2005 12:04:24 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pwg.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.2) id j34G49t27081 for pmp-outgoing; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 12:04:09 -0400 (EDT) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5392F.E4D086F8" Subject: PMP> Corrected PortMon MIB Documents Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 09:03:51 -0700 Message-ID: <41A3AA9A3516CB418C179FFDEF9E5A821544C7@exchange2k.hitachi-ps.us> Thread-Topic: Corrected PortMon MIB Documents Thread-Index: AcU5L+T97+ASsd0vQMCZV4JIv1deFw== From: "Bergman, Ron" To: Sender: pmp-owner@pwg.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5392F.E4D086F8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Port Monitor MIB documents have been corrected fixing the format = errors and file names reported by Ira. Also, the conformance groups have been = updated to add the two new objects The new documents can be found at: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/wd/lcrc-pmpportmib10-20050404.doc ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/wd/lcrc-pmpportmib10-20050404.pdf The ASN.1 source is at: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/wd/lcrc-pmpportmib10-20050404.mib Ron Bergman Ricoh Printing Systems America ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5392F.E4D086F8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Corrected PortMon MIB Documents

The Port Monitor MIB documents have = been corrected fixing the format errors and
file names reported by Ira.  = Also, the conformance groups have been updated to
add the two new objects


The new documents can be found = at:

     = ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/wd/lcrc-pmpportmib10-20050404.doc

     = ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/wd/lcrc-pmpportmib10-20050404.pdf

The ASN.1 source is at:

     = ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/wd/lcrc-pmpportmib10-20050404.mib


        Ron Bergman
        Ricoh Printing Systems America

------_=_NextPart_001_01C5392F.E4D086F8-- From pwg-announce-owner@pwg.org Mon Apr 4 16:24:54 2005 Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA29795; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 16:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by pwg.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.2) with SMTP id j34KOjM29857; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 16:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Mon, 4 Apr 2005 16:21:45 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pwg.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.2) id j34KLcP29611 for pwg-announce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 16:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "McDonald, Ira" To: "'pwg-announce@pwg.org'" Subject: PWG-ANNOUNCE> FW: Enforcement of Updated IPR Boilerplate Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 13:21:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-pwg-announce@pwg.org Hi, See below - after 6 May 2005, the Internet-Drafts Editor will no longer publish any I-D without the full verbatim IPR text now required by RFC 3978 (March 2005). This text MUST NOT be amended or have appendages. It's draconian, IMHO, but it certainly cures the problem of vendors attempting after the fact to enforce patents applicable to implementation of IETF protocols. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -----Original Message----- From: ltru-bounces@lists.ietf.org [mailto:ltru-bounces@lists.ietf.org]On Behalf Of Randy Presuhn Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 2:07 PM To: LTRU Working Group; Disman Subject: [Ltru] Fw: Enforcement of Updated IPR Boilerplate Hi - Anyone submitting or planning to submit internet drafts, please take note! > From: "IETF Secretariat" > To: "IETF Announcement list" > Cc: ; ; > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:05 AM > Subject: Enforcement of Updated IPR Boilerplate > > As you may be aware, RFC 3667 (BCP 78), "IETF Rights in Contributions," > has been obsoleted by RFC 3978 (BCP 78), which was published in March > 2005, and which bears the same title. The major difference between the > two RFCs is that the IPR-related notices and disclaimers that the IETF > requires in all Internet-Drafts have been updated to correct anomalies. > > The updated versions of the required notices and disclaimers are specified > in Section 5, "Notices Required in IETF Documents," of RFC 3978, and in > Section 3, "IPR-Related Notices Required in Internet-Drafts," of the > recently revised "Guidelines to Authors of Internet-Drafts" > (http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-guidelines.html). The "Guidelines" document > also provides additional guidance regarding the placement of these notices. > > Currently, the IETF Secretariat accepts and posts Internet-Drafts that > include *either* the RFC 3667 or the RFC 3978 version of these notices. > However, as of 17:00 ET on Friday May 6, 2005, the Secretariat will > accept *only* those Internet-Drafts that comply with the requirements > of RFC 3978, and with the most recent version of the "Guidelines" > document. > > Please note that the required notices and disclaimers must be reproduced > verbatim since they have been legally reviewed and formally adopted as part > of the IETF process. The Secretariat will not accept deviations from the > specified text, nor will it correct the text. Any documents that do not > comply with the requirements will be returned to the submitter. > > The IETF Secretariat > > _______________________________________________ > IETF-Announce mailing list > IETF-Announce@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce _______________________________________________ Ltru mailing list Ltru@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ltru From pwg-announce-owner@pwg.org Mon Apr 4 20:57:15 2005 Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA01405; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 20:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by pwg.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.2) with SMTP id j350vD904725; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 20:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Mon, 4 Apr 2005 20:55:48 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pwg.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.2) id j350tfm04484 for pwg-announce-outgoing; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 20:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "McDonald, Ira" To: "'pwg-announce@pwg.org'" Subject: PWG-ANNOUNCE> FW: [Ltru] Fw: Protocol Action: 'Augmented BNF for Syntax Specifi cations: ABNF' to Draft Standard Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 17:55:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-pwg-announce@pwg.org Hi, RFC 2234 (ABNF) has been superseded by an IESG approved I-D (not yet published in a new RFC). 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This note also _proposes_ resolutions for each of the Last Call issues, including revised MIB objects. Additional revisions to the body of the PPM MIB document are also required, but specific text is not proposed. PWG members and other interested parties should review these resolutions and criticize them as needed. We will attempt to endorse resolutions of these issues in some subsequent Last Call telecon (probably in later April). Cheers, - Ira (co-editor of Printer Port Monitor MIB) Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ PPM-3-20050406 - Usage of 'PpmLocalizedStringTC' vs 'SnmpAdminString' Question: I wonder why you do not use SnmpAdminString (RFC3411) instead of defining own TC? [Bert Wijnen - 20050310 email] Discussion: This design choice was made by copying Printer MIB v2, for both 'ppmPortName' and 'ppmPortDescription' text string objects. But 'ppmPortDescription' (analogous to the Printer MIB v2 localized description objects) was deleted in draft v0.20 of the PPM MIB. Resolution: 3a) Add 'SnmpAdminString' (RFC 3411) to IMPORTS clause. 3b) Delete 'PpmLocalizedStringTC' textual convention. 3c) Change DESCRIPTION of 'ppmGeneralNaturalLanguage' and 'ppmPortName' to refer to 'SnmpAdminString' (RFC 3411). 3d) Change SYNTAX of 'ppmPortName' to 'SnmpAdminString'. 3e) Change section 6 'Internationalization Considerations' to refer to 'SnmpAdminString' (RFC 3411). 3f) Add RFC 3411 to section 8 'Normative References'. ppmGeneralNaturalLanguage OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX SnmpAdminString (SIZE (0..63)) MAX-ACCESS read-only STATUS current DESCRIPTION "The natural language tag (RFC 3066), specified in US-ASCII, for all localized text string objects defined in this MIB (syntax of 'SnmpAdminString'), or the empty string if not specified. For example, 'fr-CH' (French as written in Switzerland). Compatibility Note: At the time of publication of this MIB, language tags are restricted to US-ASCII. In order to support possible future evolution of languages tags (in a successor to RFC 3066) to allow non-ASCII characters, this object has been defined with a syntax of UTF-8 (RFC 3629). This natural language tag is necessary for support of correct glyph selection for text display, for support of text-to- speech, for support of correct sorting of text values, etc. If this object is empty, then the natural language for all localized text string objects in this MIB MUST default to 'en-US' (US English)." REFERENCE "prtGeneralCurrentLocalization in IETF Printer MIB (RFC 1759/3805). jobNaturalLanguageTag in IETF Job Monitoring MIB (RFC 2707)." DEFVAL { ''H } -- no natural language tag ::= { ppmGeneral 1 } ppmPortName OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX SnmpAdminString (SIZE (0..127)) MAX-ACCESS read-only STATUS current DESCRIPTION "A user friendly name for this port, in the locale specified by 'ppmGeneralNaturalLanguage'. May be used to facilitate user selection of a port on a multi-port network product. The value of this object SHOULD be unique (across all ports on this network product) and descriptive (e.g., 'ParallelPort1'). The syntax of this text string object is UTF-8 (RFC 3629), in order to support names that cannot be represented in US-ASCII." REFERENCE "prtGeneralPrinterName in IETF Printer MIB v2 (RFC 3805)." DEFVAL { ''H } -- port name not specified ::= { ppmPortEntry 2 } ------------------------------------------------------------------------ PPM-4-20050406 - Usage of 'DisplayString' syntax (US NVT ASCII) Question: I am also worried somewhat by the use of all the DisplaySTring types (US NVT ASCII). Does not seem to be of current time anymore and certainly does not seem to be future proof to me. [Bert Wijnen - 20050310 email] Discussion: 'ppmPortSnmpCommunityName' should be changed to 'OCTET STRING' (see PPM-5-20050406 below). 'ppmPortIEEE1284DeviceId' is constrained by IEEE to ASCII, but might change to ISO 10646/Unicode in the future. 'ppmPortServiceNameOrURI' is a mistake and should have been UTF-8, to directly support IRI (RFC 3987, January 2005). Resolution: 4a) Change SYNTAX of 'ppmPortIEEE1284DeviceId' to 'SnmpAdminString' and add warning about current ASCII restriction per IEEE 1284 to DESCRIPTION clause. 4b) Change SYNTAX of 'ppmPortServiceNameOrURI' to 'SnmpAdminString' and add explicit reference to RFC 3987 to DESCRIPTION clause. ppmPortIEEE1284DeviceId OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX SnmpAdminString (SIZE (0..255)) MAX-ACCESS read-only STATUS current DESCRIPTION "The IEEE 1284 device ID for this port, a set of capabilities (keys and values) specified in the US-ASCII charset and the format 'key1: value {, value }; ... keyN: value {,value };', as follows: (a) SPACE (0x20), TAB (0x09), VTAB (0x0B), CR (0x0D), NL (0x0A), and FF (0x0C) are allowed, but ignored when parsing (b) other control characters (less than 0x20) MUST NOT be used (c) COLON (0x3A), COMMA (0x2C), and SEMICOLON (0x3B) are delimiters and MUST NOT be included in any key or value (d) each key MUST be separated from value(s) using COLON (0x3A) (e) multiple values MUST BE separated using COMMA (0x2C) (f) each capability MUST BE delimited using SEMICOLON (0x3B) (g) all ports MUST include the following capabilities - MANUFACTURER (or abbreviation MFG) - MODEL (or abbreviation MDL) (h) all ports MAY include the following capabilities - COMMAND SET (or abbreviation CMD) - COMMENT - ACTIVE COMMAND SET For example (actually all on one line of text): MANUFACTURER:ACME Manufacturing; COMMAND SET:PCL,PJL,PS,XHTML-Print+xml; MODEL:LaserBeam 9; COMMENT:Anything you like; ACTIVE COMMAND SET:PCL; The value of this object MUST exactly match the IEEE 1284-2000 Device ID string, except that the length field MUST NOT be specified. The value MUST be assigned by the Printer vendor and MUST NOT be localized by the Print Service. Compatibility Note: At the time of publication of this MIB, IEEE device IDs are restricted to US-ASCII. In order to support possible future evolution of IEEE device IDs (in a successor to IEEE 1284-2000) to allow non-ASCII characters, this object has been defined with a syntax of UTF-8 (RFC 3629). If this object is empty, then the value of 'ppmPortProtocolType' SHOULD be used to load a generic driver." REFERENCE "Section 7.6 of IEEE 1284-2000." DEFVAL { ''H } -- no IEEE 1284 device ID ::= { ppmPortEntry 6 } ppmPortServiceNameOrURI OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX SnmpAdminString (SIZE (0..255)) MAX-ACCESS read-only STATUS current DESCRIPTION "The service name or URI for this port, specified in UTF-8 (RFC 3629), in the locale specified by 'ppmGeneralNaturalLanguage'. The service name is typically a 'queue name'. Use Models: When this MIB is implemented in a network printer or implemented in an external network adaptor (with one or more locally-attached printers), the service name is sufficient (because all of the addressable ports are at the same network host name). However, when this MIB is implemented in a network spooler, the full service URI is necessary to address each of the downstream network printers. Compatibility Note: At the time of publication of this MIB, the Microsoft tools do not support LPR queue names longer than 32 characters. Network administrators SHOULD NOT assign longer LPR queue names, to prevent interworking problems. Compatibility Note: At the time of publication of this MIB, IETF URI Generic Syntax (RFC 3986) requires that all non-ASCII characters be percent-encoded, while IETF Internationalized Resource Identifiers (RFC 3987) permits native UTF-8 resource identifiers and supplies mappings to and from standard URI. In order to support current use of IRI and possible future evolution of URI (in a successor to RFC 3986) to allow non-ASCII characters, this object has been defined with a syntax of UTF-8 (RFC 3629). Examples of well-formed service URI for print protocols include: - 'lpr://foo.example.com/public-printer' (where 'public- printer' is the LPR queue name portion) and - 'ipp://bar.example.com/printer/fox' If this object is non-empty, then it SHOULD NOT conflict with the default (IANA-registered) or explicit transport target port specified in 'ppmPortProtocolTargetPort'. In case of conflict, the URI value in 'ppmPortServiceNameOrURI' is authoritative (e.g., 'ipp://example.com:631/~smith/printer'). If this object is empty and 'ppmPortProtocolType' is 'chLPDServer(8)', the LPR queue name MUST default to 'LPR'." REFERENCE "IETF Line Printer Daemon Protocol (RFC 1179). 'lpr:' URL scheme in IANA-registered SLP Printer Schema at http://www.iana.org/assignments/svrloc-templates/ IPP/1.1: IPP URL Scheme (RFC 3510). printer-uri-supported in IPP/1.1 Model and Semantics (RFC 2911). printer-uri in LDAP Printer Schema (RFC 3712)." DEFVAL { ''H } -- no service name or URI ::= { ppmPortEntry 10 } ------------------------------------------------------------------------ PPM-5-20050406 - Usage and syntax of 'ppmPortSnmpCommunityName' Question: This 'ppmPortSnmpCommunityName' object seems pretty INSECURE, plus, a valid SNMP communityName is allowed to contain non-ASCII characters. So I find this very questionable stuff. [Bert Wijnen - 20050310 email] The CommunityString (in SNMPv1 and v2c) is intended as a (albeit) weak secret, and not to be a human-consumable string. Such has been the case since the origins of SNMP, and it has ALWAYS been an OCTET STRING. So any agent (and manager) is supposed to be able to handle any octet value (also those that are NOT in the NVT ASCII set). And by using a DisplayString in your MIB module, you seem to be telling compliant implementations that they would not be compliant with your MIB module. [Bert Wijnen - 20050314 email] Discussion: The use of 'DisplayString' was an editorial mistake. This object models current implementations of external network print adapters that expose 'MIB views' in SNMPv1 by using a separate SNMP read community name for each port (which typically corresponds to a different value of 'ppmPortHrDeviceIndex'). Given freely available packet sniffers that decode SNMP packets, no security is offered by SNMPv1 read community names anyway. Resolution: 5a) Keep the 'ppmPortSnmpCommunityName' object in the PPM MIB. 5b) Change the SYNTAX to 'OCTET STRING (SIZE (0..255))' (see above). 5c) Change the DESCRIPTION to explain the use model and to warn that community names do not provide any SNMP security at all. 5d) Change section 2.4.2 'External Network Adapter' to describe this simplistic model of SNMPv1 'MIB views'. ppmPortSnmpCommunityName OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX OCTET STRING (SIZE (0..255)) MAX-ACCESS read-only STATUS current DESCRIPTION "The SNMP read community name, an opaque binary string, for access to status information in IETF Host Resources MIB (RFC 1514/2790) and IETF Printer MIB (RFC 1759/3805) for this port via the value of 'ppmPortHrDeviceIndex' (i.e., a 'MIB view' of these two MIBs). Security Warning: Due to the widespread availability of free 'packet sniffers' (network traffic snooping applications) and SNMP packet decoders, SNMP community names no longer offers even weak security. This object SHOULD only be used to support 'MIB views'. Implementations SHOULD use SNMPv3 security to protect network resources from unauthorized monitoring. If this object is empty, then the SNMP read community name for this port (if any) SHOULD default to 'public' in US-ASCII." REFERENCE "snmpCommunityName in IETF SNMP Community MIB (RFC 3584)." DEFVAL { ''H } -- no SNMP read community name ::= { ppmPortEntry 8 } ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From pwg-announce-owner@pwg.org Thu Apr 7 01:49:42 2005 Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA23289; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 01:49:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by pwg.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.2) with SMTP id j375nek01224; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 01:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Thu, 7 Apr 2005 01:48:28 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pwg.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.2) id j375mKr00970 for pwg-announce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 01:48:20 -0400 (EDT) To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Subject: PWG-ANNOUNCE> New Topic(s) to be discussed at Tokyo Plenary MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build V70_M4_01112005 Beta 3NP January 11, 2005 Message-ID: From: Harry Lewis Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 23:48:14 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D03NM132/03/M/IBM(Release 6.53HF294 | January 28, 2005) at 04/06/2005 23:48:15, Serialize complete at 04/06/2005 23:48:15 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 001FE05F87256FDC_=" Sender: owner-pwg-announce@pwg.org This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 001FE05F87256FDC_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Be advised that there are some new topics which will be introduced during the FSG/PWG joint Plenary in Tokyo Wednesday afternoon. One or more of these topics may result in a Wednesday evening BOF if enough interest is expressed during the Plenary. 1. Projector Management BOF - It has been observed that projector equipment manufactures (ex. LCD projectors) are in a state similar to printer manufactures 10 years ago in that several major projector makers use SNMP for device management but all are using incompatible private MIBs. A standard MIB or, at least, common semantics may be very helpful in the industry. The PWG would be expanding its role into a broader set of "imaging" solutions if we were to host this project. 2. MFD Security Model. One PWG member has express a desire to introduce MFD Security Model concepts. Since the IEEE P2600 has been working in this area we will want to assure the PWG does not embark on a redundant effort. There may be elements of a standards MFD security model which are complimentary to P2600 and/or which belong in the PWG, however. 3. PWG Semantic Model / DMTF CIM mapping. We have been circling the wagons around this work effort but no one has built a campfire yet. Need to evaluate motive, requirements, resources, anticipated benefits etc and develop an action plan 4. Print Number (see Camas minutes ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/minutes/pwg_plenary_minutes_20050112.pdf .) The Print Number team (from China) indicated they may attend Tokyo but I haven't heard from them recently. We will add this to the (BOF) agenda if someone from Print Number attends. If you are interested in any of these topics I strongly encourage your participating in the Plenary and ask you to consider the potential for an evening BOF Wednesday April 13 in Tokyo. ---------------------------------------------- Harry Lewis IBM STSM Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group http://www.pwg.org IBM Printing Systems http://www.ibm.com/printers 303-924-5337 ---------------------------------------------- --=_alternative 001FE05F87256FDC_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Be advised that there are some new topics which will be introduced during the FSG/PWG joint Plenary in Tokyo Wednesday afternoon. One or more of these topics may result in a Wednesday evening BOF if enough interest is expressed during the Plenary.

1. Projector Management BOF
  - It has been observed that projector equipment manufactures (ex. LCD projectors) are in a state similar to printer manufactures 10 years ago in that several major projector makers use SNMP for device management but all are using incompatible private MIBs. A standard MIB or, at least, common semantics may be very helpful in the industry. The PWG would be expanding its role into a broader set of "imaging" solutions if we were to host this project.

2. MFD Security Model. One PWG member has express a desire to introduce MFD Security Model concepts. Since the IEEE P2600 has been working in this area we will want to assure the PWG does not embark on a redundant effort. There may be elements of a standards MFD security model which are complimentary to P2600 and/or which belong in the PWG, however.

3. PWG Semantic Model / DMTF CIM mapping. We have been circling the wagons around this work effort but no one has built a campfire yet. Need to evaluate motive, requirements, resources, anticipated benefits etc and develop an action plan

4. Print Number (see Camas minutes ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/minutes/pwg_plenary_minutes_20050112.pdf.) The Print Number team (from China) indicated they may attend Tokyo but I haven't heard from them recently. We will add this to the (BOF) agenda if someone from Print Number attends.

If you are interested in any of these topics I strongly encourage your participating in the Plenary and ask you to consider the potential for an evening BOF Wednesday April 13 in Tokyo.
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Harry Lewis
IBM STSM
Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
http://www.pwg.org
IBM Printing Systems
http://www.ibm.com/printers
303-924-5337
---------------------------------------------- --=_alternative 001FE05F87256FDC_=-- From pwg-announce-owner@pwg.org Thu Apr 7 12:38:35 2005 Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA12731; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 12:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by pwg.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.2) with SMTP id j37GcPb08389; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 12:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Thu, 7 Apr 2005 12:32:58 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pwg.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.2) id j37GWoZ08125 for pwg-announce-outgoing; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 12:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "McDonald, Ira" To: "'pwg-announce@pwg.org'" Subject: PWG-ANNOUNCE> FW: Linux Std Base 3.0 Preview Release - Check it out! Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 09:32:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-pwg-announce@pwg.org FYI - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -----Original Message----- From: members-individual-bounces@base3.freestandards.org [mailto:members-individual-bounces@base3.freestandards.org]On Behalf Of Arthur F. Tyde III Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 8:16 PM To: aftyde@freestandards.org Subject: [Members-individual] LSB 3.0 Preview Release - Check it out! Re: LSB 3.0 Preview Release Dear Member, As promised in August 2004, the LSB workgroup announced on 3/31 a preview release of LSB 3.0. General availability of LSB 3 will follow three months later, including all tests and the certification program. The LSB Workgroup and the Free Standards Group is now soliciting broader community review. There will be a 15 day review period. This period runs from 2005-03-31 12:00:00 EST until 2005-04-15. When there are no open bugs against the Preview Release (PR), a Release Candidate (RC) will be issued, with a thirty day public review. You can review the release and provide your feedback here. http://www.linuxbase.org/LSBWiki/ReviewPlan3 As always, we very much appreciate your support! Thanks, Art... -- Arthur F. Tyde III Chief Technology Officer, Free Standards Group 2370 Market Street #157, San Francisco, CA 94114 USA Voice:+1-415-354-1787,Fax:+1-415-294-9033 mailto:aftyde@freestandards.org http://www.freestandards.org _______________________________________________ Members-individual mailing list Members-individual@mail.freestandards.org http://mail.freestandards.org/mailman/listinfo/members-individual From pmp-owner@pwg.org Thu Apr 7 16:13:37 2005 Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA03774 for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 16:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by pwg.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.2) with SMTP id j37KDWK12565 for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 16:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Thu, 7 Apr 2005 16:09:54 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pwg.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.2) id j37K9YZ12497 for pmp-outgoing; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 16:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C53BAD.B22F8039" Subject: PMP> Topics for Port Monitor MIB Meeting X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 13:09:25 -0700 Message-ID: <41A3AA9A3516CB418C179FFDEF9E5A821544D1@exchange2k.hitachi-ps.us> Thread-Topic: Topics for Port Monitor MIB Meeting Thread-Index: AcU7rbIvXOxMnMeFTWG1wp1i56yuAw== From: "Bergman, Ron" To: "Harry Lewis \(E-mail\)" Cc: Sender: pmp-owner@pwg.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C53BAD.B22F8039 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Harry, Since I am not able to attend the PWG meetings next week, here is my = suggestions for the Port Monitor MIB meeting agenda. 1. Review the agreed changes from the phone conference last week, which = added two new objects to the MIB. The latest document, containing these changes = is at: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/wd/lcrc-pmpportmib10-20050404.pdf (.doc = .mib) 2. Review the 3 new issues from Bert Wijnen in Ira's email dated 6 April = 2005. I have briefly read the proposed changes and do not have any objection. = The proposal does not add any new objects and should not affect any current = implementations (even though I suspect none exist). 3. Most Important! Agree to a plan to either have an interoperability = test or have Microsoft provide a "self certification" utility. I would certainly = prefer the latter, but there are definite advantages to a face-to-face test, even though it = will be a major pain. A "self certification" utility, if selected, would allow vendors = to test as quickly as they are able to generate the code, and not require a postponement = until a critical mass is ready. 4. Any other issues deemed appropriate. Ron Bergman Ricoh Printing Systems America ------_=_NextPart_001_01C53BAD.B22F8039 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Topics for Port Monitor MIB Meeting

Hi Harry,

Since I am not able to attend the PWG = meetings next week, here is my suggestions
for the Port Monitor MIB meeting = agenda.

1. Review the agreed changes from the = phone conference last week, which added two
new objects to the MIB.  The = latest document, containing these changes is at:

  = ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/wd/lcrc-pmpportmib10-20050404.pdf = (.doc .mib)

2. Review the 3 new issues from Bert = Wijnen in Ira's email dated 6 April 2005.  I
have briefly read the proposed changes = and do not have any objection.  The proposal
does not add any new objects and = should not affect any current implementations
(even though I suspect none = exist).

3. Most Important!  Agree to a = plan to either have an interoperability test or have
Microsoft provide a "self = certification" utility.  I would certainly prefer the latter, = but
there are definite advantages to a = face-to-face test, even though it will be a major
pain.  A "self = certification" utility, if selected, would allow vendors to test as = quickly
as they are able to generate the code, = and not require a postponement until a
critical mass is ready.

4. Any other issues deemed = appropriate.

        Ron Bergman
        Ricoh Printing Systems America

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Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:53:06 -0700 Message-ID: <0B1BB7EBFD223F4B93E30A09BD3126D10CBD12C4@WIN-MSG-10.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> Thread-Topic: [PMP] Time of Tokyo meeting/conf call?? thread-index: AcU+tu8zvHCcWyeARuSRGeGhnZ4dgA== From: "Mike Fenelon" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2005 16:53:54.0998 (UTC) FILETIME=[0BED8560:01C53EB7] Sender: pmp-owner@pwg.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C53EB7.0C6F3B3A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What time (adjusted to the US) is the Tokyo Port Monitor MIB discussion?? I want to call in. =20 And what will the number be?? =20 Thanks,=20 =20 Mike Fenelon Microsoft =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C53EB7.0C6F3B3A Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What time (adjusted to the US) is the Tokyo Port = Monitor MIB discussion?? I want to call in.

 

And what will the number be??

 

Thanks,

 

Mike Fenelon
Microsoft

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C53EB7.0C6F3B3A-- From pmp-owner@pwg.org Mon Apr 11 18:08:15 2005 Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA06212 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 18:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by pwg.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.2) with SMTP id j3BM7fJ21335 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 18:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 18:06:38 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pwg.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.2) id j3BM6S421271 for pmp-outgoing; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 18:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "McDonald, Ira" To: "'Mike Fenelon'" , pmp@pwg.org Subject: RE: PMP> [PMP] Time of Tokyo meeting/conf call?? Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:46:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C53EDF.B11CF5EE" Sender: pmp-owner@pwg.org This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C53EDF.B11CF5EE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Hi Mike, There is NOT a plan for any conference call for the Tokyo Port Mon MIB discussion. The topic is scheduled for the afternoon in Tokyo (middle of the night in the US). Harry Lewis thought that you were travelling to Tokyo for the discussion in person. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -----Original Message----- From: pmp-owner@pwg.org [mailto:pmp-owner@pwg.org]On Behalf Of Mike Fenelon Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 12:53 PM To: pmp@pwg.org Subject: PMP> [PMP] Time of Tokyo meeting/conf call?? What time (adjusted to the US) is the Tokyo Port Monitor MIB discussion?? I want to call in. And what will the number be?? Thanks, Mike Fenelon Microsoft ------_=_NextPart_001_01C53EDF.B11CF5EE Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1"
Hi Mike,
 
There is NOT a plan for any conference call for the Tokyo Port Mon MIB
discussion.  The topic is scheduled for the afternoon in Tokyo (middle of
the night in the US).  Harry Lewis thought that you were travelling to Tokyo
for the discussion in person.
 
Cheers,
- Ira
 

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839
phone: +1-906-494-2434
email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com

-----Original Message-----
From: pmp-owner@pwg.org [mailto:pmp-owner@pwg.org]On Behalf Of Mike Fenelon
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 12:53 PM
To: pmp@pwg.org
Subject: PMP> [PMP] Time of Tokyo meeting/conf call??

What time (adjusted to the US) is the Tokyo Port Monitor MIB discussion?? I want to call in.

 

And what will the number be??

 

Thanks,

 

Mike Fenelon
Microsoft

 

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Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:26:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C53F84.C8308CF3" Sender: pmp-owner@pwg.org This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C53F84.C8308CF3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Hi Mike, I just looked up time deltas between US and Japan this week. Meeting times would be: Thursday 1pm to 5pm - Tokyo - Port Mon MIB review, then MIB certification topic Thursday 12am to 4am - US Eastern Daylight Time Wednesday 9pm to Thursday 1am - US Pacific Daylight Time The Port Mon MIB review may last up to the full four hours (the MIB certification topic is 'as time is available'). Bill Wagner and I are in the US EDT zone. Mike, Ivan, and Ron are in the US PDT zone. Harry Lewis would have to set up the US-based IEEE conference bridge and arrange for a speaker phone in the Epson conference room in Japan. I would prefer NOT to have this conference call, because it would be a hardship for my wife to have me on a headset half the night (and she works early Thursday morning). Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -----Original Message----- From: Mike Fenelon [mailto:mfenelon@windows.microsoft.com] Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 6:10 PM To: McDonald, Ira; Harry Lewis Subject: RE: PMP> [PMP] Time of Tokyo meeting/conf call?? Sorry all, but I was just there 2 weeks ago for other issues and couldn't swing going back again for a 2 hr meeting. I don't have any problem simply calling a number at the meeting room/hotel at what ever hour needed.. I think. Thanks, Mike Fenelon Microsoft _____ From: McDonald, Ira [mailto:imcdonald@sharplabs.com] Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 2:47 PM To: Mike Fenelon; pmp@pwg.org Subject: RE: PMP> [PMP] Time of Tokyo meeting/conf call?? Hi Mike, There is NOT a plan for any conference call for the Tokyo Port Mon MIB discussion. The topic is scheduled for the afternoon in Tokyo (middle of the night in the US). Harry Lewis thought that you were travelling to Tokyo for the discussion in person. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -----Original Message----- From: pmp-owner@pwg.org [mailto:pmp-owner@pwg.org]On Behalf Of Mike Fenelon Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 12:53 PM To: pmp@pwg.org Subject: PMP> [PMP] Time of Tokyo meeting/conf call?? What time (adjusted to the US) is the Tokyo Port Monitor MIB discussion?? I want to call in. And what will the number be?? Thanks, Mike Fenelon Microsoft ------_=_NextPart_001_01C53F84.C8308CF3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1"
Hi Mike,
 
I just looked up time deltas between US and Japan this week.
 
Meeting times would be:
 
Thursday 1pm to 5pm - Tokyo - Port Mon MIB review, then MIB certification topic
Thursday 12am to 4am - US Eastern Daylight Time
Wednesday 9pm to Thursday 1am - US Pacific Daylight Time
 
The Port Mon MIB review may last up to the full four hours (the MIB certification
topic is 'as time is available').
 
Bill Wagner and I are in the US EDT zone.
 
Mike, Ivan, and Ron are in the US PDT zone.
 
Harry Lewis would have to set up the US-based IEEE conference bridge and
arrange for a speaker phone in the Epson conference room in Japan.
 
I would prefer NOT to have this conference call, because it would be a hardship
for my wife to have me on a headset half the night (and she works early Thursday
morning).
 
Cheers,
- Ira
 

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839
phone: +1-906-494-2434
email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Fenelon [mailto:mfenelon@windows.microsoft.com]
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 6:10 PM
To: McDonald, Ira; Harry Lewis
Subject: RE: PMP> [PMP] Time of Tokyo meeting/conf call??

Sorry all, but I was just there 2 weeks ago for other issues and couldn't swing going back again for a 2 hr meeting.

 

I don't have any problem simply calling a number at the meeting room/hotel at what ever hour needed.. I think.

 

Thanks,

 

Mike Fenelon

Microsoft

From: McDonald, Ira [mailto:imcdonald@sharplabs.com]
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 2:47 PM
To: Mike Fenelon; pmp@pwg.org
Subject: RE: PMP> [PMP] Time of Tokyo meeting/conf call??

 

Hi Mike,

 

There is NOT a plan for any conference call for the Tokyo Port Mon MIB

discussion.  The topic is scheduled for the afternoon in Tokyo (middle of

the night in the US).  Harry Lewis thought that you were travelling to Tokyo

for the discussion in person.

 

Cheers,

- Ira

 

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839
phone: +1-906-494-2434
email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com

-----Original Message-----
From: pmp-owner@pwg.org [mailto:pmp-owner@pwg.org]On Behalf Of Mike Fenelon
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 12:53 PM
To: pmp@pwg.org
Subject: PMP> [PMP] Time of Tokyo meeting/conf call??

What time (adjusted to the US) is the Tokyo Port Monitor MIB discussion?? I want to call in.

 

And what will the number be??

 

Thanks,

 

Mike Fenelon
Microsoft

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C53F84.C8308CF3-- From pmp-owner@pwg.org Tue Apr 12 16:21:19 2005 Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA04936 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by pwg.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.2) with SMTP id j3CKKmn05158 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:20:01 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pwg.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.2) id j3CKJlK05093 for pmp-outgoing; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:19:47 -0400 (EDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C53F9C.EA91B7B2" Subject: PMP> RE: [Urgent] Time of Tokyo Port MIB meeting/conf call?? Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 13:19:22 -0700 Message-ID: <0B1BB7EBFD223F4B93E30A09BD3126D10CC457D7@WIN-MSG-10.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> Thread-Topic: [Urgent] Time of Tokyo Port MIB meeting/conf call?? thread-index: AcU/hOIxXOMAqvNkSySaSMQCuTCuLwAFo1Ug From: "Mike Fenelon" To: "McDonald, Ira" , "Harry Lewis" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2005 20:19:23.0372 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA9FDAC0:01C53F9C] Sender: pmp-owner@pwg.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C53F9C.EA91B7B2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Even with the late hour I want to call in.. I also talked to Ira and he wants to call also. Could you please setup a the phone bridge so we can participate?? =20 Mike Fenelon Microsoft =20 ________________________________ From: McDonald, Ira [mailto:imcdonald@sharplabs.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:27 AM To: Mike Fenelon; McDonald, Ira; Harry Lewis; 'pmp@pwg.org' Subject: RE: [Urgent] Time of Tokyo Port MIB meeting/conf call?? =20 Hi Mike, =20 I just looked up time deltas between US and Japan this week. =20 Meeting times would be: =20 Thursday 1pm to 5pm - Tokyo - Port Mon MIB review, then MIB certification topic Thursday 12am to 4am - US Eastern Daylight Time Wednesday 9pm to Thursday 1am - US Pacific Daylight Time =20 The Port Mon MIB review may last up to the full four hours (the MIB certification topic is 'as time is available'). =20 Bill Wagner and I are in the US EDT zone. =20 Mike, Ivan, and Ron are in the US PDT zone. =20 Harry Lewis would have to set up the US-based IEEE conference bridge and arrange for a speaker phone in the Epson conference room in Japan. =20 I would prefer NOT to have this conference call, because it would be a hardship for my wife to have me on a headset half the night (and she works early Thursday morning). =20 Cheers, - Ira =20 Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com=20 -----Original Message----- From: Mike Fenelon [mailto:mfenelon@windows.microsoft.com] Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 6:10 PM To: McDonald, Ira; Harry Lewis Subject: RE: PMP> [PMP] Time of Tokyo meeting/conf call?? Sorry all, but I was just there 2 weeks ago for other issues and couldn't swing going back again for a 2 hr meeting. =20 I don't have any problem simply calling a number at the meeting room/hotel at what ever hour needed.. I think. =20 Thanks, =20 Mike Fenelon Microsoft =09 ________________________________ From: McDonald, Ira [mailto:imcdonald@sharplabs.com]=20 Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 2:47 PM To: Mike Fenelon; pmp@pwg.org Subject: RE: PMP> [PMP] Time of Tokyo meeting/conf call?? =20 Hi Mike, =20 There is NOT a plan for any conference call for the Tokyo Port Mon MIB discussion. The topic is scheduled for the afternoon in Tokyo (middle of the night in the US). Harry Lewis thought that you were travelling to Tokyo for the discussion in person. =20 Cheers, - Ira =20 Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com=20 -----Original Message----- From: pmp-owner@pwg.org [mailto:pmp-owner@pwg.org]On Behalf Of Mike Fenelon Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 12:53 PM To: pmp@pwg.org Subject: PMP> [PMP] Time of Tokyo meeting/conf call?? What time (adjusted to the US) is the Tokyo Port Monitor MIB discussion?? I want to call in. =20 And what will the number be?? =20 Thanks,=20 =20 Mike Fenelon Microsoft =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C53F9C.EA91B7B2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Even with the late hour I want to = call in.. I also talked to Ira and he wants to call also. Could you please = setup a the phone bridge so we can participate??

 

Mike Fenelon
Microsoft

 

From: = McDonald, Ira [mailto:imcdonald@sharplabs.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, = 2005 10:27 AM
To: Mike Fenelon; = McDonald, Ira; Harry Lewis; 'pmp@pwg.org'
Subject: RE: [Urgent] = Time of Tokyo Port MIB meeting/conf call??

 

Hi Mike,

 

I just looked up time deltas = between US and Japan this week.

 

Meeting times would = be:

 

Thursday 1pm to 5pm - Tokyo - Port = Mon MIB review, then MIB certification topic

Thursday 12am to 4am - US Eastern = Daylight Time

Wednesday 9pm to Thursday 1am - US = Pacific Daylight Time

 

The Port Mon MIB = review may last up to the full four hours (the MIB certification

topic is 'as time is = available').

 

Bill Wagner and I are in the US EDT = zone.

 

Mike, Ivan, and Ron are in the = US PDT zone.

 

Harry Lewis would have to set up = the US-based IEEE conference bridge and

arrange for a speaker phone in the = Epson conference room in Japan.

 

I would prefer NOT to have this = conference call, because it would be a hardship

for my wife to have me on a headset = half the night (and she works early Thursday

morning).

 

Cheers,

- Ira

 

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839
phone: +1-906-494-2434
email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com

-----Original = Message-----
From: Mike Fenelon [mailto:mfenelon@windows.microsoft.com]
Sent: Monday, April 11, = 2005 6:10 PM
To: McDonald, Ira; Harry = Lewis
Subject: RE: PMP> = [PMP] Time of Tokyo meeting/conf call??

Sorry all, but I was just there 2 = weeks ago for other issues and couldn't swing going back again for a 2 hr = meeting.

 

I don't have any problem simply = calling a number at the meeting room/hotel at what ever hour needed.. I = think.

 

Thanks,

 

Mike Fenelon

Microsoft

From: McDonald, Ira [mailto:imcdonald@sharplabs.com]
Sent: Monday, April 11, = 2005 2:47 PM
To: Mike Fenelon; = pmp@pwg.org
Subject: RE: PMP> = [PMP] Time of Tokyo meeting/conf call??

 

Hi = Mike,

 

There is NOT a = plan for any conference call for the Tokyo Port Mon MIB

discussion. = The topic is scheduled for the afternoon in Tokyo (middle = of

the night in the US).  Harry Lewis thought that you were travelling to = Tokyo

for the = discussion in person.

 

Cheers,

- = Ira

 

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software = Architect)
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839
phone: +1-906-494-2434
email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com

-----Original Message-----
From: pmp-owner@pwg.org [mailto:pmp-owner@pwg.org]On Behalf = Of Mike Fenelon
Sent: Monday, April 11, = 2005 12:53 PM
To: pmp@pwg.org
Subject: PMP> [PMP] = Time of Tokyo meeting/conf call??

What time (adjusted to the = US) is the Tokyo Port Monitor MIB discussion?? I want to call = in.

 

And what will the number = be??

 

Thanks,

 

Mike Fenelon
Microsoft

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C53F9C.EA91B7B2-- From pmp-owner@pwg.org Tue Apr 12 19:12:59 2005 Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA22614 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:12:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by pwg.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.2) with SMTP id j3CND0q06757 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:12:31 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pwg.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.2) id j3CNC5C06698 for pmp-outgoing; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:12:05 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <0B1BB7EBFD223F4B93E30A09BD3126D10CC457D7@WIN-MSG-10.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> To: "Mike Fenelon" Cc: "McDonald, Ira" , pmp@pwg.org, Ron.Bergman@rpsa.ricoh.com, wamwagner@comcast.net Subject: PMP> Tokyo Port MIB conf call INFO MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build V70_M4_01112005 Beta 3NP January 11, 2005 Message-ID: From: Harry Lewis Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:11:31 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D03NM132/03/M/IBM(Release 6.53HF294 | January 28, 2005) at 04/12/2005 17:11:33, Serialize complete at 04/12/2005 17:11:33 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 007F605A87256FE1_=" Sender: pmp-owner@pwg.org This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 007F605A87256FE1_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" We are seeking compromise, here. I am opening the call window because of the amount of progress that has been made on the Port MIB recently and the goal to move it formal approval in a timely fashion. On balance, Epson has been very gracious - already, incurring expenses related to hosting. While it may seem small, I will not ask Epson to foot the bill for an extended international phone conference in addition. We will limit this call to 2 hrs. It will begin Wednesday 9pm PDT (Thursday 1pm in Tokyo). Dial In: 1-866-365-4406 Toll #: 1-303-248-9655 Passcode: 2635888# NOTE: If Tokyo is not on line within 15 min of start, consider that there was technical difficulty and the call was aborted. NOTE: These arrangements are pending final approval by our host - Epson. ---------------------------------------------- Harry Lewis IBM STSM Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group http://www.pwg.org IBM Printing Systems http://www.ibm.com/printers 303-924-5337 ---------------------------------------------- "Mike Fenelon" Sent by: pmp-owner@pwg.org 04/12/2005 02:19 PM To "McDonald, Ira" , Harry Lewis/Boulder/IBM@IBMUS, cc Subject PMP> RE: [Urgent] Time of Tokyo Port MIB meeting/conf call?? Even with the late hour I want to call in.. I also talked to Ira and he wants to call also. Could you please setup a the phone bridge so we can participate?? Mike Fenelon Microsoft From: McDonald, Ira [mailto:imcdonald@sharplabs.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:27 AM To: Mike Fenelon; McDonald, Ira; Harry Lewis; 'pmp@pwg.org' Subject: RE: [Urgent] Time of Tokyo Port MIB meeting/conf call?? Hi Mike, I just looked up time deltas between US and Japan this week. Meeting times would be: Thursday 1pm to 5pm - Tokyo - Port Mon MIB review, then MIB certification topic Thursday 12am to 4am - US Eastern Daylight Time Wednesday 9pm to Thursday 1am - US Pacific Daylight Time The Port Mon MIB review may last up to the full four hours (the MIB certification topic is 'as time is available'). Bill Wagner and I are in the US EDT zone. Mike, Ivan, and Ron are in the US PDT zone. Harry Lewis would have to set up the US-based IEEE conference bridge and arrange for a speaker phone in the Epson conference room in Japan. I would prefer NOT to have this conference call, because it would be a hardship for my wife to have me on a headset half the night (and she works early Thursday morning). Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -----Original Message----- From: Mike Fenelon [mailto:mfenelon@windows.microsoft.com] Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 6:10 PM To: McDonald, Ira; Harry Lewis Subject: RE: PMP> [PMP] Time of Tokyo meeting/conf call?? Sorry all, but I was just there 2 weeks ago for other issues and couldn't swing going back again for a 2 hr meeting. I don't have any problem simply calling a number at the meeting room/hotel at what ever hour needed.. I think. Thanks, Mike Fenelon Microsoft From: McDonald, Ira [mailto:imcdonald@sharplabs.com] Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 2:47 PM To: Mike Fenelon; pmp@pwg.org Subject: RE: PMP> [PMP] Time of Tokyo meeting/conf call?? Hi Mike, There is NOT a plan for any conference call for the Tokyo Port Mon MIB discussion. The topic is scheduled for the afternoon in Tokyo (middle of the night in the US). Harry Lewis thought that you were travelling to Tokyo for the discussion in person. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -----Original Message----- From: pmp-owner@pwg.org [mailto:pmp-owner@pwg.org]On Behalf Of Mike Fenelon Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 12:53 PM To: pmp@pwg.org Subject: PMP> [PMP] Time of Tokyo meeting/conf call?? What time (adjusted to the US) is the Tokyo Port Monitor MIB discussion?? I want to call in. And what will the number be?? Thanks, Mike Fenelon Microsoft --=_alternative 007F605A87256FE1_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
We are seeking compromise, here. I am opening the call window because of the amount of progress that has been made on the Port MIB recently and the goal to move it formal approval in a timely fashion. On balance, Epson has been very gracious - already, incurring expenses related to hosting. While it may seem small, I will not ask Epson to foot the bill for an extended international phone conference in addition.

We will limit this call to 2 hrs. It will begin Wednesday 9pm PDT (Thursday 1pm in Tokyo).

Dial In: 1-866-365-4406
Toll #: 1-303-248-9655
Passcode: 2635888#

NOTE: If Tokyo is not on line within 15 min of start, consider that there was technical difficulty and the call was aborted.
NOTE: These arrangements are pending final approval by our host - Epson.
----------------------------------------------
Harry Lewis
IBM STSM
Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
http://www.pwg.org
IBM Printing Systems
http://www.ibm.com/printers
303-924-5337
----------------------------------------------


"Mike Fenelon" <mfenelon@windows.microsoft.com>
Sent by: pmp-owner@pwg.org

04/12/2005 02:19 PM

To
"McDonald, Ira" <imcdonald@sharplabs.com>, Harry Lewis/Boulder/IBM@IBMUS, <pmp@pwg.org>
cc
Subject
PMP> RE: [Urgent] Time of Tokyo Port MIB meeting/conf call??





Even with the late hour I want to call in.. I also talked to Ira and he wants to call also. Could you please setup a the phone bridge so we can participate??
 
Mike Fenelon
Microsoft
 


From: McDonald, Ira [mailto:imcdonald@sharplabs.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:27 AM
To: Mike Fenelon; McDonald, Ira; Harry Lewis; 'pmp@pwg.org'
Subject: RE: [Urgent] Time of Tokyo Port MIB meeting/conf call??
 
Hi Mike,
 
I just looked up time deltas between US and Japan this week.
 
Meeting times would be:
 
Thursday 1pm to 5pm - Tokyo - Port Mon MIB review, then MIB certification topic
Thursday 12am to 4am - US Eastern Daylight Time
Wednesday 9pm to Thursday 1am - US Pacific Daylight Time
 
The Port Mon MIB review may last up to the full four hours (the MIB certification
topic is 'as time is available').
 
Bill Wagner and I are in the US EDT zone.
 
Mike, Ivan, and Ron are in the US PDT zone.
 
Harry Lewis would have to set up the US-based IEEE conference bridge and
arrange for a speaker phone in the Epson conference room in Japan.
 
I would prefer NOT to have this conference call, because it would be a hardship
for my wife to have me on a headset half the night (and she works early Thursday
morning).
 
Cheers,
- Ira
 

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839
phone: +1-906-494-2434
email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Fenelon [mailto:mfenelon@windows.microsoft.com]
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 6:10 PM
To: McDonald, Ira; Harry Lewis
Subject: RE: PMP> [PMP] Time of Tokyo meeting/conf call??
Sorry all, but I was just there 2 weeks ago for other issues and couldn't swing going back again for a 2 hr meeting.
 
I don't have any problem simply calling a number at the meeting room/hotel at what ever hour needed.. I think.
 
Thanks,
 
Mike Fenelon
Microsoft



From: McDonald, Ira [mailto:imcdonald@sharplabs.com]
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 2:47 PM
To: Mike Fenelon; pmp@pwg.org
Subject: RE: PMP> [PMP] Time of Tokyo meeting/conf call??
 
Hi Mike,
 
There is NOT a plan for any conference call for the Tokyo Port Mon MIB
discussion.  The topic is scheduled for the afternoon in Tokyo (middle of
the night in the US).  Harry Lewis thought that you were travelling to Tokyo
for the discussion in person.
 
Cheers,
- Ira
 

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839
phone: +1-906-494-2434
email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com
-----Original Message-----
From: pmp-owner@pwg.org [mailto:pmp-owner@pwg.org]On Behalf Of Mike Fenelon
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 12:53 PM
To: pmp@pwg.org
Subject: PMP> [PMP] Time of Tokyo meeting/conf call??
What time (adjusted to the US) is the Tokyo Port Monitor MIB discussion?? I want to call in.
 
And what will the number be??
 
Thanks,
 
Mike Fenelon
Microsoft
 
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------=_NextPart_001_0001_39418A17.D25B0452-- ------=_NextPart_000_0000_EF8AF868.A809AF94-- From pmp-owner@pwg.org Thu Apr 14 10:53:50 2005 Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA21525 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by pwg.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.2) with SMTP id j3EEria24074 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:52:22 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pwg.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.2) id j3EEpn623921 for pmp-outgoing; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "McDonald, Ira" To: "'pwg-announce@pwg.org'" , "'pmp@pwg.org'" Subject: PMP> Minutes of Port MIB Review at April PWG Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 07:51:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: pmp-owner@pwg.org Hi, Thursday (14 April 2005) [Please send any comments/corrections to 'pmp@pwg.org' - thanks] MINUTES OF PRINTER PORT MONITOR MIB REVIEW ATTENDEES: Paul Danbold (Apple) Lee Farrell (Canon) Harry Lewis (IBM, PWG Chair) Jerry Thrasher (Lexmark) Craig Whittle (Sharp) other attendees in Tokyo (Jerry Thrasher to complete this list) * Ron Bergman (Ricoh, PMP WG Chair, co-editor) * Mike Fenelon (Microsoft, co-editor) * Ira McDonald (High North, co-editor) * Stuart Rowley (Kyocera) * = on telephone SUMMARY: (1) Reviewed and approved PPM-1 and PPM-2 (Ron Bergman & Bill Wagner) - previous Last Call teleconference on 31 March 2005 - see resolutions in Ira McDonald's email of 31 March 2005 - see (A1) below (2) Reviewed and approved PPM-3, PPM-4, and PPM-5 (Bert Wijnen) - previous email discussion in early March 2005 - see resolutions in Ira McDonald's email of 6 April 2005 - see (A1) below (3) Assign 'enterprises pwg(2699) mibs(1) ppmMIB(2)' (Jerry Thrasher) - to register Port MIB in PWG-assigned ASN.1 OID space - see (A2) below (3) Request to restore ppmPortPrtChannelIndex (Paul Danbold - Apple) - to disambiguate (for example) Text vs Binary LPR channels - see (A3) below (4) Request to restore ppmPortDescription (Paul Danbold - Apple) - to support localized configuration info (but NOT port status) - see (A4) below (5) Discussed certification and interoperability testing - Testing Editor to coordinate tests and sanitize test results - see (A6) below - OS vendors (Microsoft, Apple, others) to develop test tools - see (A7) below - Printer vendors to perform self-testing and binary testing - see (A8) below - Interoperability test in July at PWG (hosted by Apple) - see (A9) below ACTION ITEMS: A1) Ira McDonald (co-editor) - editorial - write up body of document changes for PPM-1 to PPM-5 - background, relationship to MIBs, internationalization, security - due: 20 April 2005 A2) Jerry Thrasher (PWG Secretary) - housekeeping - assign the arc 'enterprises pwg(2699) mibs(1) ppmMIB(2)' - fix at (2) for near-term stability of test tools and prototypes - see Don Wright's previous document on PWG ASN.1 OID assignments - due: 1 May 2005 A3) Ira McDonald (co-editor) - editorial - restore ppmPortPrtChannelIndex (Paul Danbold - Apple) - write up PPM-6 w/ rationale - due: 20 April 2005 A4) Ira McDonald (co-editor) - editorial - restore ppmPortDescription (Paul Danbold - Apple) - write up PPM-7 w/ rationale - due: 20 April 2005 A5) Printer Port Monitor MIB Editors - Last Call process - incorporate Last Call resolutions - issue final LCRC redline version of Port MIB - due: 31 May 2005 A6) Craig Whittle (Testing Editor) - coordination of testing - develop test criteria, coordinate tests, sanitize test results - publish public summary after (A8) below - due: June/July 2005 A7) OS Vendors (Microsoft, Apple, others) - certification testing - develop test criteria, develop test tools, certify printers - due: June/July 2005 A8) Printer Vendors - certification testing - self-certify printers, report test results to Testing Editor - due: June/July 2005 A9) Paul Danbold (Apple) - interoperability testing - host interoperability testing at PWG face-to-face in San Francisco - due: July 2005 A10) PWG Secretary - Formal Approval process - issue Formal Approval clean version of Port MIB - announce Formal Approval - due: TBD - July after interoperability testing??? Cheers, - Ira (co-editor of Printer Port Monitor MIB) Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com From pwg-announce-owner@pwg.org Thu Apr 14 10:56:14 2005 Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA21749; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by pwg.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.2) with SMTP id j3EEtxh24335; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:52:22 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pwg.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.2) id j3EEppE23929 for pwg-announce-outgoing; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "McDonald, Ira" To: "'pwg-announce@pwg.org'" , "'pmp@pwg.org'" Subject: PWG-ANNOUNCE> Minutes of Port MIB Review at April PWG Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 07:51:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-pwg-announce@pwg.org Hi, Thursday (14 April 2005) [Please send any comments/corrections to 'pmp@pwg.org' - thanks] MINUTES OF PRINTER PORT MONITOR MIB REVIEW ATTENDEES: Paul Danbold (Apple) Lee Farrell (Canon) Harry Lewis (IBM, PWG Chair) Jerry Thrasher (Lexmark) Craig Whittle (Sharp) other attendees in Tokyo (Jerry Thrasher to complete this list) * Ron Bergman (Ricoh, PMP WG Chair, co-editor) * Mike Fenelon (Microsoft, co-editor) * Ira McDonald (High North, co-editor) * Stuart Rowley (Kyocera) * = on telephone SUMMARY: (1) Reviewed and approved PPM-1 and PPM-2 (Ron Bergman & Bill Wagner) - previous Last Call teleconference on 31 March 2005 - see resolutions in Ira McDonald's email of 31 March 2005 - see (A1) below (2) Reviewed and approved PPM-3, PPM-4, and PPM-5 (Bert Wijnen) - previous email discussion in early March 2005 - see resolutions in Ira McDonald's email of 6 April 2005 - see (A1) below (3) Assign 'enterprises pwg(2699) mibs(1) ppmMIB(2)' (Jerry Thrasher) - to register Port MIB in PWG-assigned ASN.1 OID space - see (A2) below (3) Request to restore ppmPortPrtChannelIndex (Paul Danbold - Apple) - to disambiguate (for example) Text vs Binary LPR channels - see (A3) below (4) Request to restore ppmPortDescription (Paul Danbold - Apple) - to support localized configuration info (but NOT port status) - see (A4) below (5) Discussed certification and interoperability testing - Testing Editor to coordinate tests and sanitize test results - see (A6) below - OS vendors (Microsoft, Apple, others) to develop test tools - see (A7) below - Printer vendors to perform self-testing and binary testing - see (A8) below - Interoperability test in July at PWG (hosted by Apple) - see (A9) below ACTION ITEMS: A1) Ira McDonald (co-editor) - editorial - write up body of document changes for PPM-1 to PPM-5 - background, relationship to MIBs, internationalization, security - due: 20 April 2005 A2) Jerry Thrasher (PWG Secretary) - housekeeping - assign the arc 'enterprises pwg(2699) mibs(1) ppmMIB(2)' - fix at (2) for near-term stability of test tools and prototypes - see Don Wright's previous document on PWG ASN.1 OID assignments - due: 1 May 2005 A3) Ira McDonald (co-editor) - editorial - restore ppmPortPrtChannelIndex (Paul Danbold - Apple) - write up PPM-6 w/ rationale - due: 20 April 2005 A4) Ira McDonald (co-editor) - editorial - restore ppmPortDescription (Paul Danbold - Apple) - write up PPM-7 w/ rationale - due: 20 April 2005 A5) Printer Port Monitor MIB Editors - Last Call process - incorporate Last Call resolutions - issue final LCRC redline version of Port MIB - due: 31 May 2005 A6) Craig Whittle (Testing Editor) - coordination of testing - develop test criteria, coordinate tests, sanitize test results - publish public summary after (A8) below - due: June/July 2005 A7) OS Vendors (Microsoft, Apple, others) - certification testing - develop test criteria, develop test tools, certify printers - due: June/July 2005 A8) Printer Vendors - certification testing - self-certify printers, report test results to Testing Editor - due: June/July 2005 A9) Paul Danbold (Apple) - interoperability testing - host interoperability testing at PWG face-to-face in San Francisco - due: July 2005 A10) PWG Secretary - Formal Approval process - issue Formal Approval clean version of Port MIB - announce Formal Approval - due: TBD - July after interoperability testing??? Cheers, - Ira (co-editor of Printer Port Monitor MIB) Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com From pmp-owner@pwg.org Thu Apr 14 14:25:24 2005 Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA09149 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by pwg.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.2) with SMTP id j3EIPH729052 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:25:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:24:54 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pwg.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.2) id j3EIOhh28990 for pmp-outgoing; Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5411F.337EE0C3" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Subject: PMP> OID Registrations Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:24:31 -0700 Message-ID: <41A3AA9A3516CB418C179FFDEF9E5A821544EF@exchange2k.hitachi-ps.us> Thread-Topic: OID Registrations Thread-Index: AcVBHzNlRogNPgaCRq6fT+LhBwFnuQ== From: "Bergman, Ron" To: Cc: "Harry Lewis \(E-mail\)" , "Ira McDonald \(E-mail 3\)" , Sender: pmp-owner@pwg.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5411F.337EE0C3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jerry, I found the Email from Don with the OID allocation proposal but I cannot find in any of the minutes where it was approved and who was to create=20 the registration document. I recall it being discussed in a meeting but do not remember if anyone was assigned to followup. From Don's email in the JMP archives dated 14 Nov 1997, subject: "Job MIB - trials and tribulations" To be consistant, we might even want to do something like: ......2699.1........ MIBS ..... 2699.1.1.1...... Job Mib ..... 2699.1.1.2 ..... Future Job Mib extensions ..... 2699.1.2.1 ..... Finisher Mib ..... 2699.1.2.2 ..... Finisher Mib extensions ..... 2699.1.3.1 ..... Hey, how about... Printer Mib ..... 2699.1.3.2 ..... Printer MIB extensions ..... 2699.1.3.2 ..... Printer MIB extensions ......2699.2........ PROTOCOLS ......2699.2.1...... IPP ..... 2699.2.1.1 ..... IPP Operations (as suggested by someone, below) ..... 2699.2.1.2 ..... IPP Attributes ......2699.2.2....... Some Other Protocol ......2699.3........ SOMETHING_ELSE_BESIDES_MIBS_AND_PROTOCOLS The actual current official assignments are: ......2699.1........ MIBS ..... 2699.1.1....... jobMonMIB ..... 2699.1.1.1...... jobmonMIBObjects ..... 2699.1.1.2 ..... jobmonMIBNotifications ..... 2699.1.1.2 ..... jobmonMIBConformance ..... 2699.1.2....... Port Monitor MIB ......2699.2........ PROTOCOLS where the third level is assigned by the project, not the PWG. So the present PWG OID assignment tree is: ......2699.1........ MIBS ..... 2699.1.1....... Job Monitoring MIB (jobMonMIB, RFC 2707) ..... 2699.1.2....... Port Monitor MIB (ppmMIB, TBA) ..... 2699.1.3....... (TBA) ......2699.2........ PROTOCOLS ..... 2699.2.2....... (TBA) ..... 2699.3....... (TBA) Now, all we need is a home for this information. Ron ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5411F.337EE0C3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OID Registrations

Jerry,

I found the Email from Don with the OID = allocation proposal but I cannot
find in any of the minutes where it = was approved and who was to create
the registration document.  I = recall it being discussed in a meeting but
do not remember if anyone was assigned = to followup.

From Don's email in the JMP archives = dated 14 Nov 1997, subject:
"Job MIB - trials and = tribulations"

To be consistant, we might even = want to do something like:
......2699.1........ MIBS
..... 2699.1.1.1...... Job Mib
..... 2699.1.1.2 ..... Future Job Mib extensions
..... 2699.1.2.1 ..... Finisher Mib
..... 2699.1.2.2 ..... Finisher Mib extensions
..... 2699.1.3.1 ..... Hey, how about... Printer Mib
..... 2699.1.3.2 ..... Printer MIB extensions
..... 2699.1.3.2 ..... Printer MIB extensions
......2699.2........ PROTOCOLS
......2699.2.1...... IPP
..... 2699.2.1.1 ..... IPP Operations (as suggested by someone, = below)
..... 2699.2.1.2 ..... IPP Attributes
......2699.2.2....... Some Other Protocol
......2699.3........ SOMETHING_ELSE_BESIDES_MIBS_AND_PROTOCOLS
The actual current official = assignments are:
......2699.1........ MIBS
..... 2699.1.1....... jobMonMIB
..... 2699.1.1.1...... jobmonMIBObjects
..... 2699.1.1.2 ..... jobmonMIBNotifications
..... 2699.1.1.2 ..... jobmonMIBConformance
..... 2699.1.2....... Port Monitor MIB
......2699.2........ PROTOCOLS
where the third level is assigned by = the project, not the PWG.

So the present PWG OID assignment tree = is:

......2699.1........ MIBS
..... 2699.1.1....... Job Monitoring MIB  (jobMonMIB, RFC 2707)
..... 2699.1.2....... Port Monitor MIB  (ppmMIB, TBA)
..... 2699.1.3....... (TBA)
......2699.2........ PROTOCOLS
..... 2699.2.2....... (TBA)
..... 2699.3....... (TBA)
Now, all we need is a home for this = information.

        Ron


------_=_NextPart_001_01C5411F.337EE0C3-- From pmp-owner@pwg.org Fri Apr 15 11:21:55 2005 Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA08823 for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by pwg.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.2) with SMTP id j3FFLbc07432 for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:20:49 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pwg.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.2) id j3FFKd607370 for pmp-outgoing; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "McDonald, Ira" To: "'Bergman, Ron'" , thrasher@lexmark.com Cc: "Harry Lewis (E-mail)" , "McDonald, Ira" , pmp@pwg.org Subject: PMP> RE: OID Registrations Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:20:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C541CE.9C4E0ED3" Sender: pmp-owner@pwg.org This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C541CE.9C4E0ED3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Hi Ron, Glad you could find Don's email. I spent a long time searching the PWG server in HTTP and FTP without finding anything yesterday. By the way, Don's original proposal that put Job MIB down two-levels was formally invalid. When the IETF designates an arc for an enterprise (e.g., 'pwg(2699)), an immediate subordinate arc must contains MIB module registrations (remember the parent arc belongs to the IETF, who get to make the MIB rules). NONE of the other uses (Protocols, IPP, etc.) have ever materialized. The eventual OID registrations document SHOULD be in plaintext and stored in 'pub/pwg/general/registrations' (or some similarly obvious sub-directory of 'pub/pwg/general'. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bergman, Ron [mailto:Ron.Bergman@rpsa.ricoh.com] Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 2:25 PM To: thrasher@lexmark.com Cc: Harry Lewis (E-mail); Ira McDonald (E-mail 3); pmp@pwg.org Subject: OID Registrations Jerry, I found the Email from Don with the OID allocation proposal but I cannot find in any of the minutes where it was approved and who was to create the registration document. I recall it being discussed in a meeting but do not remember if anyone was assigned to followup. From Don's email in the JMP archives dated 14 Nov 1997, subject: "Job MIB - trials and tribulations" To be consistant, we might even want to do something like: ......2699.1........ MIBS ..... 2699.1.1.1...... Job Mib ..... 2699.1.1.2 ..... Future Job Mib extensions ..... 2699.1.2.1 ..... Finisher Mib ..... 2699.1.2.2 ..... Finisher Mib extensions ..... 2699.1.3.1 ..... Hey, how about... Printer Mib ..... 2699.1.3.2 ..... Printer MIB extensions ..... 2699.1.3.2 ..... Printer MIB extensions ......2699.2........ PROTOCOLS ......2699.2.1...... IPP ..... 2699.2.1.1 ..... IPP Operations (as suggested by someone, below) ..... 2699.2.1.2 ..... IPP Attributes ......2699.2.2....... Some Other Protocol ......2699.3........ SOMETHING_ELSE_BESIDES_MIBS_AND_PROTOCOLS The actual current official assignments are: ......2699.1........ MIBS ..... 2699.1.1....... jobMonMIB ..... 2699.1.1.1...... jobmonMIBObjects ..... 2699.1.1.2 ..... jobmonMIBNotifications ..... 2699.1.1.2 ..... jobmonMIBConformance ..... 2699.1.2....... Port Monitor MIB ......2699.2........ PROTOCOLS where the third level is assigned by the project, not the PWG. So the present PWG OID assignment tree is: ......2699.1........ MIBS ..... 2699.1.1....... Job Monitoring MIB (jobMonMIB, RFC 2707) ..... 2699.1.2....... Port Monitor MIB (ppmMIB, TBA) ..... 2699.1.3....... (TBA) ......2699.2........ PROTOCOLS ..... 2699.2.2....... (TBA) ..... 2699.3....... (TBA) Now, all we need is a home for this information. Ron ------_=_NextPart_001_01C541CE.9C4E0ED3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" OID Registrations
Hi Ron,
 
Glad you could find Don's email.  I spent a long time searching the PWG server
in HTTP and FTP without finding anything yesterday.
 
By the way, Don's original proposal that put Job MIB down two-levels was formally
invalid.  When the IETF designates an arc for an enterprise (e.g., 'pwg(2699)),
an immediate subordinate arc must contains MIB module registrations (remember
the parent arc belongs to the IETF, who get to make the MIB rules).
 
NONE of the other uses (Protocols, IPP, etc.) have ever materialized.
 
The eventual OID registrations document SHOULD be in plaintext and stored
in 'pub/pwg/general/registrations' (or some similarly obvious sub-directory of
'pub/pwg/general'.
 
Cheers,
- Ira
 

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839
phone: +1-906-494-2434
email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Bergman, Ron [mailto:Ron.Bergman@rpsa.ricoh.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 2:25 PM
To: thrasher@lexmark.com
Cc: Harry Lewis (E-mail); Ira McDonald (E-mail 3); pmp@pwg.org
Subject: OID Registrations

Jerry,

I found the Email from Don with the OID allocation proposal but I cannot
find in any of the minutes where it was approved and who was to create
the registration document.  I recall it being discussed in a meeting but
do not remember if anyone was assigned to followup.

From Don's email in the JMP archives dated 14 Nov 1997, subject:
"Job MIB - trials and tribulations"

To be consistant, we might even want to do something like:
......2699.1........ MIBS
..... 2699.1.1.1...... Job Mib
..... 2699.1.1.2 ..... Future Job Mib extensions
..... 2699.1.2.1 ..... Finisher Mib
..... 2699.1.2.2 ..... Finisher Mib extensions
..... 2699.1.3.1 ..... Hey, how about... Printer Mib
..... 2699.1.3.2 ..... Printer MIB extensions
..... 2699.1.3.2 ..... Printer MIB extensions
......2699.2........ PROTOCOLS
......2699.2.1...... IPP
..... 2699.2.1.1 ..... IPP Operations (as suggested by someone, below)
..... 2699.2.1.2 ..... IPP Attributes
......2699.2.2....... Some Other Protocol
......2699.3........ SOMETHING_ELSE_BESIDES_MIBS_AND_PROTOCOLS
The actual current official assignments are:
......2699.1........ MIBS
..... 2699.1.1....... jobMonMIB
..... 2699.1.1.1...... jobmonMIBObjects
..... 2699.1.1.2 ..... jobmonMIBNotifications
..... 2699.1.1.2 ..... jobmonMIBConformance
..... 2699.1.2....... Port Monitor MIB
......2699.2........ PROTOCOLS

where the third level is assigned by the project, not the PWG.

So the present PWG OID assignment tree is:

......2699.1........ MIBS
..... 2699.1.1....... Job Monitoring MIB  (jobMonMIB, RFC 2707)
..... 2699.1.2....... Port Monitor MIB  (ppmMIB, TBA)
..... 2699.1.3....... (TBA)
......2699.2........ PROTOCOLS
..... 2699.2.2....... (TBA)
..... 2699.3....... (TBA)

Now, all we need is a home for this information.

        Ron


------_=_NextPart_001_01C541CE.9C4E0ED3-- From pmp-owner@pwg.org Fri Apr 15 11:54:51 2005 Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA15652 for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:54:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by pwg.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.2) with SMTP id j3FFsob08217 for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:54:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:52:23 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pwg.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.2) id j3FFplq08128 for pmp-outgoing; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C541D2.FF6628F0" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Subject: PMP> RE: OID Registrations Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:51:33 -0700 Message-ID: <41A3AA9A3516CB418C179FFDEF9E5A821544F3@exchange2k.hitachi-ps.us> Thread-Topic: OID Registrations Thread-Index: AcVBzqsUpu07WpnRS265DaknhXehQgAAWBlw From: "Bergman, Ron" To: "McDonald, Ira" , Cc: "Harry Lewis \(E-mail\)" , Sender: pmp-owner@pwg.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C541D2.FF6628F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ira, =20 Note that Don's proposal was constructed primarily of examples. The = only real assignment at that time was 2699.1.1 to the Job MIB. His example of 2699.1.1.1 and 2699.1.1.2 = were just examples as to how the Job MIB could use the assignment. As I explained in the "actual = current assignments", the usage in the MIB was somewhat different. =20 The Protocols arc was reserved in case an OID was ever needed for PWG = protocols, such as IPP. As you pointed out, this has not been used. It may be a good idea to add = IPP to the Protocols registration section. I don't recall if this was ever a formal proposal or just = another example. So the assignment tree would then be: =20 ......2699.1........ MIBS ..... 2699.1.1....... Job Monitoring MIB (jobMonMIB, RFC 2707) ..... 2699.1.2....... Port Monitor MIB (ppmMIB, TBA) ..... 2699.1.3....... (TBA) ......2699.2........ PROTOCOLS ..... 2699.2.1....... Internet Printing Protocol (IPP, RFC 2910, 2911) ..... 2699.2.1.1 ..... IPP Operations ..... 2699.2.1.2 ..... IPP Attributes ..... 2699.2.2....... (TBA) ..... 2699.3....... (TBA) I am sure that Jerry will take the initiative, when he returns from = Japan, to make this information available in an obvious place on the PWG FTP site. (He indicated in the call that = it was part of his task as secretary.) =20 Ron -----Original Message----- From: McDonald, Ira [mailto:imcdonald@sharplabs.com] Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 8:20 AM To: Bergman, Ron; thrasher@lexmark.com Cc: Harry Lewis (E-mail); McDonald, Ira; pmp@pwg.org Subject: RE: OID Registrations Hi Ron, =20 Glad you could find Don's email. I spent a long time searching the PWG = server in HTTP and FTP without finding anything yesterday. =20 By the way, Don's original proposal that put Job MIB down two-levels was = formally invalid. When the IETF designates an arc for an enterprise (e.g., = 'pwg(2699)), an immediate subordinate arc must contains MIB module registrations = (remember the parent arc belongs to the IETF, who get to make the MIB rules). =20 NONE of the other uses (Protocols, IPP, etc.) have ever materialized. =20 The eventual OID registrations document SHOULD be in plaintext and = stored in 'pub/pwg/general/registrations' (or some similarly obvious = sub-directory of 'pub/pwg/general'. =20 Cheers, - Ira =20 Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com=20 -----Original Message----- From: Bergman, Ron [mailto:Ron.Bergman@rpsa.ricoh.com] Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 2:25 PM To: thrasher@lexmark.com Cc: Harry Lewis (E-mail); Ira McDonald (E-mail 3); pmp@pwg.org Subject: OID Registrations Jerry,=20 I found the Email from Don with the OID allocation proposal but I cannot = find in any of the minutes where it was approved and who was to create=20 the registration document. I recall it being discussed in a meeting but = do not remember if anyone was assigned to followup.=20 From Don's email in the JMP archives dated 14 Nov 1997, subject:=20 "Job MIB - trials and tribulations"=20 To be consistant, we might even want to do something like:=20 ......2699.1........ MIBS ..... 2699.1.1.1...... Job Mib ..... 2699.1.1.2 ..... Future Job Mib extensions ..... 2699.1.2.1 ..... Finisher Mib ..... 2699.1.2.2 ..... Finisher Mib extensions ..... 2699.1.3.1 ..... Hey, how about... Printer Mib ..... 2699.1.3.2 ..... Printer MIB extensions ..... 2699.1.3.2 ..... Printer MIB extensions ......2699.2........ PROTOCOLS ......2699.2.1...... IPP ..... 2699.2.1.1 ..... IPP Operations (as suggested by someone, below) ..... 2699.2.1.2 ..... IPP Attributes ......2699.2.2....... Some Other Protocol ......2699.3........ SOMETHING_ELSE_BESIDES_MIBS_AND_PROTOCOLS=20 The actual current official assignments are:=20 ......2699.1........ MIBS ..... 2699.1.1....... jobMonMIB ..... 2699.1.1.1...... jobmonMIBObjects ..... 2699.1.1.2 ..... jobmonMIBNotifications ..... 2699.1.1.2 ..... jobmonMIBConformance ..... 2699.1.2....... Port Monitor MIB ......2699.2........ PROTOCOLS where the third level is assigned by the project, not the PWG.=20 So the present PWG OID assignment tree is:=20 ......2699.1........ MIBS ..... 2699.1.1....... Job Monitoring MIB (jobMonMIB, RFC 2707) ..... 2699.1.2....... Port Monitor MIB (ppmMIB, TBA) ..... 2699.1.3....... (TBA) ......2699.2........ PROTOCOLS ..... 2699.2.2....... (TBA) ..... 2699.3....... (TBA) Now, all we need is a home for this information.=20 Ron=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C541D2.FF6628F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OID Registrations
Ira,
 
Note=20 that Don's proposal was constructed primarily of examples.  The = only real=20 assignment at that time
was=20 2699.1.1 to the Job MIB.  His example of 2699.1.1.1 and 2699.1.1.2 = were=20 just examples as to how
the=20 Job MIB could use the assignment.  As I explained in the "actual = current=20 assignments", the usage
in the=20 MIB was somewhat different.
 
The=20 Protocols arc was reserved in case an OID was ever needed for PWG = protocols,=20 such as IPP.  As
you=20 pointed out, this has not been used.  It may be a good idea to add = IPP to=20 the Protocols registration
section.  I don't recall if this was ever a formal = proposal or just=20 another example.  So the assignment
tree=20 would then be:
 
......2699.1........ MIBS
..... 2699.1.1....... Job = Monitoring=20 MIB  (jobMonMIB, RFC 2707)
..... 2699.1.2....... Port Monitor = MIB =20 (ppmMIB, TBA)
..... 2699.1.3....... (TBA)
......2699.2........=20 PROTOCOLS
..... 2699.2.1....... Internet Printing Protocol (IPP, RFC = 2910,=20 2911)
..... 2699.2.1.1 ..... IPP = Operations
.....=20 2699.2.1.2 ..... IPP Attributes
..... 2699.2.2....... (TBA)
.....=20 2699.3....... (TBA)

I am sure that Jerry will take the = initiative,=20 when he returns from Japan, to make this information=20 available
in an=20 obvious place on the PWG FTP site.  (He indicated in the call that = it was=20 part of his task as secretary.)
 
    Ron
-----Original Message-----
From: McDonald, Ira=20 [mailto:imcdonald@sharplabs.com]
Sent: Friday, April 15, = 2005 8:20=20 AM
To: Bergman, Ron; thrasher@lexmark.com
Cc: = Harry Lewis=20 (E-mail); McDonald, Ira; pmp@pwg.org
Subject: RE: OID=20 Registrations

Hi=20 Ron,
 
Glad=20 you could find Don's email.  I spent a long time searching the = PWG=20 server
in=20 HTTP and FTP without finding anything yesterday.
 
By=20 the way, Don's original proposal that put Job MIB down = two-levels was=20 formally
invalid.  When the IETF designates an arc for an = enterprise (e.g.,=20 'pwg(2699)),
an=20 immediate subordinate arc must contains MIB module registrations=20 (remember
the=20 parent arc belongs to the IETF, who get to make the MIB=20 rules).
 
NONE=20 of the other uses (Protocols, IPP, etc.) have ever=20 materialized.
 
The=20 eventual OID registrations document SHOULD be in plaintext and=20 stored
in=20 'pub/pwg/general/registrations' (or some similarly obvious = sub-directory=20 of
'pub/pwg/general'.
 
Cheers,
-=20 Ira
 

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Blue = Roof=20 Music / High North Inc
PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI =20 49839
phone: +1-906-494-2434
email: = imcdonald@sharplabs.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Bergman, Ron=20 [mailto:Ron.Bergman@rpsa.ricoh.com]
Sent: Thursday, April = 14, 2005=20 2:25 PM
To: thrasher@lexmark.com
Cc: Harry Lewis = (E-mail); Ira McDonald (E-mail 3); pmp@pwg.org
Subject: = OID=20 Registrations

Jerry,

I found the Email from Don with the = OID=20 allocation proposal but I cannot
find in=20 any of the minutes where it was approved and who was to create=20
the registration = document.  I recall=20 it being discussed in a meeting but
do=20 not remember if anyone was assigned to followup.

From Don's email in the JMP archives = dated 14 Nov=20 1997, subject:
"Job MIB - = trials and=20 tribulations"

To be consistant, we might = even want to=20 do something like:
......2699.1........ MIBS
..... 2699.1.1.1...... Job = Mib
.....=20 2699.1.1.2 ..... Future Job Mib extensions
..... 2699.1.2.1 ..... = Finisher Mib
..... 2699.1.2.2 ..... Finisher Mib = extensions
.....=20 2699.1.3.1 ..... Hey, how about... Printer Mib
..... 2699.1.3.2 = .....=20 Printer MIB extensions
..... 2699.1.3.2 ..... Printer MIB=20 extensions
......2699.2........ PROTOCOLS
......2699.2.1...... = IPP
..... 2699.2.1.1 ..... IPP Operations (as suggested by = someone,=20 below)
..... 2699.2.1.2 ..... IPP = Attributes
......2699.2.2.......=20 Some Other Protocol
......2699.3........=20 SOMETHING_ELSE_BESIDES_MIBS_AND_PROTOCOLS
The actual current official assignments are: =
......2699.1........ MIBS
..... = 2699.1.1.......=20 jobMonMIB
..... 2699.1.1.1...... jobmonMIBObjects
..... = 2699.1.1.2=20 ..... jobmonMIBNotifications
..... 2699.1.1.2 .....=20 jobmonMIBConformance
..... 2699.1.2....... Port Monitor=20 MIB
......2699.2........ PROTOCOLS

where the third level is assigned by the project, not the = PWG.=20

So the present PWG OID assignment = tree is:=20

......2699.1........ MIBS
.....=20 2699.1.1....... Job Monitoring MIB  (jobMonMIB, RFC = 2707)
.....=20 2699.1.2....... Port Monitor MIB  (ppmMIB, TBA)
.....=20 2699.1.3....... (TBA)
......2699.2........ PROTOCOLS
.....=20 2699.2.2....... (TBA)
..... 2699.3....... = (TBA)

Now, all we need is a home for this = information.=20

        Ron


------_=_NextPart_001_01C541D2.FF6628F0-- From pmp-owner@pwg.org Fri Apr 15 12:52:55 2005 Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA20889 for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by pwg.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.2) with SMTP id j3FGqjF09181 for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:49:55 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pwg.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.2) id j3FGmjv09096 for pmp-outgoing; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C541DA.F8562BC0" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Subject: PMP> Adding ppmPortDescription to Port Mon MIB Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:48:37 -0700 Message-ID: <41A3AA9A3516CB418C179FFDEF9E5A821544F4@exchange2k.hitachi-ps.us> Thread-Topic: Adding ppmPortDescription to Port Mon MIB Thread-Index: AcVB2vhOCI9ImJ2NShiilATNElTmqA== From: "Bergman, Ron" To: Cc: "Harry Lewis \(E-mail\)" , "Ira McDonald \(E-mail 3\)" , , , Sender: pmp-owner@pwg.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C541DA.F8562BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I remembered this morning why we decided, several months back, to remove = this object. Since the MIB contained both a desciptive name and a description, it was = agreed that the two objects were redundant. To clarify this situation I recommend = that the object ppmPortName be changed to ppmPortDescriptiveName or ppmPortDescription, = rather than go back to the original redundant pair. ppPortName is a natural language string with up to 127 characters. For = Paul Danbold's example I could provide a name such as: "Networked LPR port providing binary PostScript printing for use by = marketing" This is less than 80 characters and should be more than sufficient to = satisfy Paul's requirement. Also, in addition to a possible name change, it must be noted that this = object is expected to be administratively configured using an out-of-band method. Paul, please indicate if this is sufficient. Ron Bergman Ricoh Printing Systems America ------_=_NextPart_001_01C541DA.F8562BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Adding ppmPortDescription to Port Mon MIB

I remembered this morning why we = decided, several months back, to remove this object.
Since the MIB contained both a = desciptive name and a description, it was agreed that
the two objects were redundant.  = To clarify this situation I recommend that the object
ppmPortName be changed to = ppmPortDescriptiveName or ppmPortDescription, rather
than go back to the original redundant = pair.

ppPortName is a natural language string = with up to 127 characters.  For Paul Danbold's
example I could provide a name such = as:

        "Networked LPR port providing binary PostScript = printing for use by marketing"

This is less than 80 characters and = should be more than sufficient to satisfy Paul's
requirement.

Also, in addition to a possible name = change, it must be noted that this object is
expected to be administratively = configured using an out-of-band method.

Paul, please indicate if this is = sufficient.

        Ron Bergman
        Ricoh Printing Systems America

------_=_NextPart_001_01C541DA.F8562BC0-- From pwg-announce-owner@pwg.org Fri Apr 15 16:05:55 2005 Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA16406; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by pwg.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.2) with SMTP id j3FK5cK11123; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:58:36 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pwg.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.2) id j3FJwRx10811 for pwg-announce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C541F5.7B952BB6" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Subject: PWG-ANNOUNCE> Port Monitor MIB Last Call ends April 25 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:58:24 -0700 Message-ID: <41A3AA9A3516CB418C179FFDEF9E5A821544F8@exchange2k.hitachi-ps.us> Thread-Topic: Port Monitor MIB Last Call ends April 25 Thread-Index: AcVB9XubPVoRLDyUQ42YjwUQMDJ5WQ== From: "Bergman, Ron" To: Sender: owner-pwg-announce@pwg.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C541F5.7B952BB6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The last call period for the Port Monitor MIB is scheduled to close on April 25th. Please send any comments to the pmp@pwg.org list. Do not respond directly to the PWG-ANNOUNCE list. The latest documents can be found at: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/wd/icrc-pmpportmib10-20050404.pdf (.doc = .mib) Ron Bergman Print MIB WG Chairman Ricoh Printing Systems America ------_=_NextPart_001_01C541F5.7B952BB6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Port Monitor MIB Last Call ends April 25

The last call period for the Port = Monitor MIB is scheduled to close
on April 25th.  Please send any = comments to the pmp@pwg.org list.

Do not respond directly to the = PWG-ANNOUNCE list.

The latest documents can be found = at:

        = ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/wd/icrc-pmpportmib10-20050404.pdf = (.doc  .mib)

        Ron Bergman
        Print MIB WG Chairman
        Ricoh Printing Systems America

------_=_NextPart_001_01C541F5.7B952BB6-- From pwg-announce-owner@pwg.org Fri Apr 15 16:55:40 2005 Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA24210; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:55:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by pwg.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.2) with SMTP id j3FKtMH13481; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:46:36 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pwg.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.2) id j3FKkVX13020 for pwg-announce-outgoing; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C541F5.7B952BB6" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Subject: PWG-ANNOUNCE> Port Monitor MIB Last Call ends April 25 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:58:24 -0700 Message-ID: <41A3AA9A3516CB418C179FFDEF9E5A821544F8@exchange2k.hitachi-ps.us> Thread-Topic: Port Monitor MIB Last Call ends April 25 Thread-Index: AcVB9XubPVoRLDyUQ42YjwUQMDJ5WQ== From: "Bergman, Ron" To: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on checkmail2.ppp.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: X Sender: owner-pwg-announce@pwg.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C541F5.7B952BB6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The last call period for the Port Monitor MIB is scheduled to close on April 25th. Please send any comments to the pmp@pwg.org list. Do not respond directly to the PWG-ANNOUNCE list. The latest documents can be found at: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/wd/icrc-pmpportmib10-20050404.pdf (.doc = .mib) Ron Bergman Print MIB WG Chairman Ricoh Printing Systems America ------_=_NextPart_001_01C541F5.7B952BB6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Port Monitor MIB Last Call ends April 25

The last call period for the Port = Monitor MIB is scheduled to close
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        Ron Bergman
        Print MIB WG Chairman
        Ricoh Printing Systems America

------_=_NextPart_001_01C541F5.7B952BB6-- From pmp-owner@pwg.org Fri Apr 15 17:01:13 2005 Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA24874 for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by pwg.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.2) with SMTP id j3FL0hh14432 for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pwg.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:00:01 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pwg.org (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.2) id j3FKxjW14233 for pmp-outgoing; Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "McDonald, Ira" To: "'Bergman, Ron'" , "McDonald, Ira" , thrasher@lexmark.com Cc: "Harry Lewis (E-mail)" , pmp@pwg.org Subject: PMP> RE: OID Registrations Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:59:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C541FD.FF4BD822" Sender: pmp-owner@pwg.org This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C541FD.FF4BD822 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Hi, Right, so 2699.1.3 woul.d presumably be assigned to the Counter MIB (the only other MIB we're currently working on). It would be good to register both IPP (IETF RFC 2910/2911) and PSI (PWG 5104.2) in the Protocols section. I would suggest adding a new section (but not under Protocols) for LDAP attributes and datatypes (which MUST have globally unique OIDs over the wire - even in string encoding, they send the dotted decimal OIDs rather than attribute names or datatype names). We used IBM's LDAP arc for the LDAP Printer Schema (RFC 3712), but it would have been helpful (for stability through drafts) to have used the PWG's arc. Cheers, - Ira PS - I seriously suggest that we create a directory '/pub/pwg/registrations' or '/pub/pwg/assignments' (like IANA's root) that contains files and subdirectories for any and all PWG-approved registrations. I prefer it beside 'general' and 'standards' and 'candidates' - it's the right level of visibility to the casual FTP browser. Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bergman, Ron [mailto:Ron.Bergman@rpsa.ricoh.com] Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 11:52 AM To: McDonald, Ira; thrasher@lexmark.com Cc: Harry Lewis (E-mail); pmp@pwg.org Subject: RE: OID Registrations Ira, Note that Don's proposal was constructed primarily of examples. The only real assignment at that time was 2699.1.1 to the Job MIB. His example of 2699.1.1.1 and 2699.1.1.2 were just examples as to how the Job MIB could use the assignment. As I explained in the "actual current assignments", the usage in the MIB was somewhat different. The Protocols arc was reserved in case an OID was ever needed for PWG protocols, such as IPP. As you pointed out, this has not been used. It may be a good idea to add IPP to the Protocols registration section. I don't recall if this was ever a formal proposal or just another example. So the assignment tree would then be: ......2699.1........ MIBS ..... 2699.1.1....... Job Monitoring MIB (jobMonMIB, RFC 2707) ..... 2699.1.2....... Port Monitor MIB (ppmMIB, TBA) ..... 2699.1.3....... (TBA) ......2699.2........ PROTOCOLS ..... 2699.2.1....... Internet Printing Protocol (IPP, RFC 2910, 2911) ..... 2699.2.1.1 ..... IPP Operations ..... 2699.2.1.2 ..... IPP Attributes ..... 2699.2.2....... (TBA) ..... 2699.3....... (TBA) I am sure that Jerry will take the initiative, when he returns from Japan, to make this information available in an obvious place on the PWG FTP site. (He indicated in the call that it was part of his task as secretary.) Ron -----Original Message----- From: McDonald, Ira [mailto:imcdonald@sharplabs.com] Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 8:20 AM To: Bergman, Ron; thrasher@lexmark.com Cc: Harry Lewis (E-mail); McDonald, Ira; pmp@pwg.org Subject: RE: OID Registrations Hi Ron, Glad you could find Don's email. I spent a long time searching the PWG server in HTTP and FTP without finding anything yesterday. By the way, Don's original proposal that put Job MIB down two-levels was formally invalid. When the IETF designates an arc for an enterprise (e.g., 'pwg(2699)), an immediate subordinate arc must contains MIB module registrations (remember the parent arc belongs to the IETF, who get to make the MIB rules). NONE of the other uses (Protocols, IPP, etc.) have ever materialized. The eventual OID registrations document SHOULD be in plaintext and stored in 'pub/pwg/general/registrations' (or some similarly obvious sub-directory of 'pub/pwg/general'. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bergman, Ron [mailto:Ron.Bergman@rpsa.ricoh.com] Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 2:25 PM To: thrasher@lexmark.com Cc: Harry Lewis (E-mail); Ira McDonald (E-mail 3); pmp@pwg.org Subject: OID Registrations Jerry, I found the Email from Don with the OID allocation proposal but I cannot find in any of the minutes where it was approved and who was to create the registration document. I recall it being discussed in a meeting but do not remember if anyone was assigned to followup. From Don's email in the JMP archives dated 14 Nov 1997, subject: "Job MIB - trials and tribulations" To be consistant, we might even want to do something like: ......2699.1........ MIBS ..... 2699.1.1.1...... Job Mib ..... 2699.1.1.2 ..... Future Job Mib extensions ..... 2699.1.2.1 ..... Finisher Mib ..... 2699.1.2.2 ..... Finisher Mib extensions ..... 2699.1.3.1 ..... Hey, how about... Printer Mib ..... 2699.1.3.2 ..... Printer MIB extensions ..... 2699.1.3.2 ..... Printer MIB extensions ......2699.2........ PROTOCOLS ......2699.2.1...... IPP ..... 2699.2.1.1 ..... IPP Operations (as suggested by someone, below) ..... 2699.2.1.2 ..... IPP Attributes ......2699.2.2....... Some Other Protocol ......2699.3........ SOMETHING_ELSE_BESIDES_MIBS_AND_PROTOCOLS The actual current official assignments are: ......2699.1........ MIBS ..... 2699.1.1....... jobMonMIB ..... 2699.1.1.1...... jobmonMIBObjects ..... 2699.1.1.2 ..... jobmonMIBNotifications ..... 2699.1.1.2 ..... jobmonMIBConformance ..... 2699.1.2....... Port Monitor MIB ......2699.2........ PROTOCOLS where the third level is assigned by the project, not the PWG. So the present PWG OID assignment tree is: ......2699.1........ MIBS ..... 2699.1.1....... Job Monitoring MIB (jobMonMIB, RFC 2707) ..... 2699.1.2....... Port Monitor MIB (ppmMIB, TBA) ..... 2699.1.3....... (TBA) ......2699.2........ PROTOCOLS ..... 2699.2.2....... (TBA) ..... 2699.3....... (TBA) Now, all we need is a home for this information. Ron ------_=_NextPart_001_01C541FD.FF4BD822 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" OID Registrations
Hi,
 
Right, so 2699.1.3 woul.d presumably be assigned to the Counter MIB (the only
other MIB we're currently working on).
 
It would be good to register both IPP (IETF RFC 2910/2911) and PSI (PWG 5104.2)
in the Protocols section. 
 
I would suggest adding a new section (but not under Protocols) for LDAP attributes
and datatypes (which MUST have globally unique OIDs over the wire - even in string
encoding, they send the dotted decimal OIDs rather than attribute names or datatype 
names).  We used IBM's LDAP arc for the LDAP Printer Schema (RFC 3712), but it
would have been helpful (for stability through drafts) to have used the PWG's arc.
 
Cheers,
- Ira
 
PS - I seriously suggest that we create a directory '/pub/pwg/registrations'
or '/pub/pwg/assignments' (like IANA's root) that contains files and subdirectories
for any and all PWG-approved registrations.  I prefer it beside 'general' and
'standards' and 'candidates' - it's the right level of visibility to the casual FTP
browser.

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839
phone: +1-906-494-2434
email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Bergman, Ron [mailto:Ron.Bergman@rpsa.ricoh.com]
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 11:52 AM
To: McDonald, Ira; thrasher@lexmark.com
Cc: Harry Lewis (E-mail); pmp@pwg.org
Subject: RE: OID Registrations

Ira,
 
Note that Don's proposal was constructed primarily of examples.  The only real assignment at that time
was 2699.1.1 to the Job MIB.  His example of 2699.1.1.1 and 2699.1.1.2 were just examples as to how
the Job MIB could use the assignment.  As I explained in the "actual current assignments", the usage
in the MIB was somewhat different.
 
The Protocols arc was reserved in case an OID was ever needed for PWG protocols, such as IPP.  As
you pointed out, this has not been used.  It may be a good idea to add IPP to the Protocols registration
section.  I don't recall if this was ever a formal proposal or just another example.  So the assignment
tree would then be:
 
......2699.1........ MIBS
..... 2699.1.1....... Job Monitoring MIB  (jobMonMIB, RFC 2707)
..... 2699.1.2....... Port Monitor MIB  (ppmMIB, TBA)
..... 2699.1.3....... (TBA)
......2699.2........ PROTOCOLS
..... 2699.2.1....... Internet Printing Protocol (IPP, RFC 2910, 2911)
..... 2699.2.1.1 ..... IPP Operations
..... 2699.2.1.2 ..... IPP Attributes
..... 2699.2.2....... (TBA)
..... 2699.3....... (TBA)

I am sure that Jerry will take the initiative, when he returns from Japan, to make this information available
in an obvious place on the PWG FTP site.  (He indicated in the call that it was part of his task as secretary.)
 
    Ron
-----Original Message-----
From: McDonald, Ira [mailto:imcdonald@sharplabs.com]
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 8:20 AM
To: Bergman, Ron; thrasher@lexmark.com
Cc: Harry Lewis (E-mail); McDonald, Ira; pmp@pwg.org
Subject: RE: OID Registrations

Hi Ron,
 
Glad you could find Don's email.  I spent a long time searching the PWG server
in HTTP and FTP without finding anything yesterday.
 
By the way, Don's original proposal that put Job MIB down two-levels was formally
invalid.  When the IETF designates an arc for an enterprise (e.g., 'pwg(2699)),
an immediate subordinate arc must contains MIB module registrations (remember
the parent arc belongs to the IETF, who get to make the MIB rules).
 
NONE of the other uses (Protocols, IPP, etc.) have ever materialized.
 
The eventual OID registrations document SHOULD be in plaintext and stored
in 'pub/pwg/general/registrations' (or some similarly obvious sub-directory of
'pub/pwg/general'.
 
Cheers,
- Ira
 

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839
phone: +1-906-494-2434
email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Bergman, Ron [mailto:Ron.Bergman@rpsa.ricoh.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 2:25 PM
To: thrasher@lexmark.com
Cc: Harry Lewis (E-mail); Ira McDonald (E-mail 3); pmp@pwg.org
Subject: OID Registrations

Jerry,

I found the Email from Don with the OID allocation proposal but I cannot
find in any of the minutes where it was approved and who was to create
the registration document.  I recall it being discussed in a meeting but
do not remember if anyone was assigned to followup.

From Don's email in the JMP archives dated 14 Nov 1997, subject:
"Job MIB - trials and tribulations"

To be consistant, we might even want to do something like:
......2699.1........ MIBS
..... 2699.1.1.1...... Job Mib
..... 2699.1.1.2 ..... Future Job Mib extensions
..... 2699.1.2.1 ..... Finisher Mib
..... 2699.1.2.2 ..... Finisher Mib extensions
..... 2699.1.3.1 ..... Hey, how about... Printer Mib
..... 2699.1.3.2 ..... Printer MIB extensions
..... 2699.1.3.2 ..... Printer MIB extensions
......2699.2........ PROTOCOLS
......2699.2.1...... IPP
..... 2699.2.1.1 ..... IPP Operations (as suggested by someone, below)
..... 2699.2.1.2 ..... IPP Attributes
......2699.2.2....... Some Other Protocol
......2699.3........ SOMETHING_ELSE_BESIDES_MIBS_AND_PROTOCOLS
The actual current official assignments are:
......2699.1........ MIBS
..... 2699.1.1....... jobMonMIB
..... 2699.1.1.1...... jobmonMIBObjects
..... 2699.1.1.2 ..... jobmonMIBNotifications
..... 2699.1.1.2 ..... jobmonMIBConformance
..... 2699.1.2....... Port Monitor MIB
......2699.2........ PROTOCOLS

where the third level is assigned by the project, not the PWG.

So the present PWG OID assignment tree is:

......2699.1........ MIBS
..... 2699.1.1....... Job Monitoring MIB  (jobMonMIB, RFC 2707)
..... 2699.1.2....... Port Monitor MIB  (ppmMIB, TBA)
..... 2699.1.3....... (TBA)
......2699.2........ PROTOCOLS
..... 2699.2.2....... (TBA)
..... 2699.3....... (TBA)

Now, all we need is a home for this information.

        Ron


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