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Hi Thomas,

just a small issue:
since it was decided for IPFIX to write MilliSeconds etc. with small s
instead of capital S, this should also be changed in the next version of
PSAMP-INFO.

Regards,
Tanja=20

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Subject: Re: [ipfix] spelling/editorial change to time data types

Brian,=20

	All,=20
=09
	May be a bit late for this, and may also be a bit pedantic, but
I'd like to advocate correcting the spelling of the data type names:=20
=09
	       3.1.11. dateTimeMilliSeconds  . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. .  12=20
	       3.1.12. dateTimeMicroSeconds  . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. .  12=20
	       3.1.13. dateTimeNanoSeconds . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. .  12=20
=09
	and their associated information elements:=20
=09
	       5.8.3.  flowStartMilliSeconds . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. .  58=20
	       5.8.4.  flowEndMilliSeconds . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. .  58=20
	       5.8.5.  flowStartMicroSeconds . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. .  58=20
	       5.8.6.  flowEndMicroSeconds . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. .  58=20
	       5.8.7.  flowStartNanoSeconds  . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. .  58=20
	       5.8.8.  flowEndNanoSeconds  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. .  59=20
	       5.8.9.  flowStartDeltaMicroSeconds  . . . . . . . . . . .
. .  59=20
	       5.8.10. flowEndDeltaMicroSeconds  . . . . . . . . . . . .
. .  59=20
	       5.8.11. systemInitTimeMilliSeconds  . . . . . . . . . . .
. .  59=20
	       5.10.4. flowDurationMilliSeconds  . . . . . . . . . . . .
. .  67=20
	       5.10.5. flowDurationMicroSeconds  . . . . . . . . . . . .
. .  68=20
=09
	in IPFIX-INFO 11 and normative references thereto in IPFIX-PROTO
17:=20
=09
	     6.1.7
dateTimeMilliSeconds.....................................30=20
	     6.1.8
dateTimeNanoSeconds......................................30=20
	     6.1.9
dateTimeMicroSeconds.....................................30=20
=09
	Addition of an SI prefix does not cause a word break, as implied
by the interCap spelling of these identifiers. Suggested correction is
to make the "s" in seconds lower-case. This change would of course not
apply to dateTimeSeconds, as there _is_ a word break before "Seconds" in
that case.=20
=09
	(Incidentially, I discovered this problem while testing our
implementation, attempting to find the flowStartMilliseconds (properly
spelled) IE in our IE registry, which caused a runtime error. Other
implementors and users of IPFIX may also run into the same problem in
the future, hence this suggestion.)=20
=09
	Also, there are references to flowStartDeltaUseconds and
flowEndDeltaUseconds in PROTO 19; these should be changed to
"DeltaMicroseconds".=20
=09


Good catch!
As there were no positive reaction from this community to change the "S"
of seconds to lower case, I changed [IPFIX-PROTO] to
flowStartDeltaMicroSeconds and flowEndDeltaMicroSeconds... to be
consistent with [IPFIX-INFO].

Regards, Benoit.



	Regards,=20
=09
	Brian=20
=09



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There are also references to the time data types and information  
element names in PSAMP-PROTO; these should be changed as well.

Regards,

Brian

On May 5, 2006, at 10:48 AM, Tanja Zseby wrote:

> Hi Thomas,
>
> just a small issue:
> since it was decided for IPFIX to write MilliSeconds etc. with small s
> instead of capital S, this should also be changed in the next  
> version of
> PSAMP-INFO.
>
> Regards,
> Tanja
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: majordomo listserver [mailto:majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu] On
> Behalf Of Benoit Claise
> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 11:38 AM
> To: Brian Trammell
> Cc: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu
> Subject: Re: [ipfix] spelling/editorial change to time data types
>
> Brian,
>
> 	All,
> 	
> 	May be a bit late for this, and may also be a bit pedantic, but
> I'd like to advocate correcting the spelling of the data type names:
> 	
> 	       3.1.11. dateTimeMilliSeconds  . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> . .  12
> 	       3.1.12. dateTimeMicroSeconds  . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> . .  12
> 	       3.1.13. dateTimeNanoSeconds . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> . .  12
> 	
> 	and their associated information elements:
> 	
> 	       5.8.3.  flowStartMilliSeconds . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> . .  58
> 	       5.8.4.  flowEndMilliSeconds . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> . .  58
> 	       5.8.5.  flowStartMicroSeconds . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> . .  58
> 	       5.8.6.  flowEndMicroSeconds . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> . .  58
> 	       5.8.7.  flowStartNanoSeconds  . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> . .  58
> 	       5.8.8.  flowEndNanoSeconds  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> . .  59
> 	       5.8.9.  flowStartDeltaMicroSeconds  . . . . . . . . . . .
> . .  59
> 	       5.8.10. flowEndDeltaMicroSeconds  . . . . . . . . . . . .
> . .  59
> 	       5.8.11. systemInitTimeMilliSeconds  . . . . . . . . . . .
> . .  59
> 	       5.10.4. flowDurationMilliSeconds  . . . . . . . . . . . .
> . .  67
> 	       5.10.5. flowDurationMicroSeconds  . . . . . . . . . . . .
> . .  68
> 	
> 	in IPFIX-INFO 11 and normative references thereto in IPFIX-PROTO
> 17:
> 	
> 	     6.1.7
> dateTimeMilliSeconds.....................................30
> 	     6.1.8
> dateTimeNanoSeconds......................................30
> 	     6.1.9
> dateTimeMicroSeconds.....................................30
> 	
> 	Addition of an SI prefix does not cause a word break, as implied
> by the interCap spelling of these identifiers. Suggested correction is
> to make the "s" in seconds lower-case. This change would of course not
> apply to dateTimeSeconds, as there _is_ a word break before  
> "Seconds" in
> that case.
> 	
> 	(Incidentially, I discovered this problem while testing our
> implementation, attempting to find the flowStartMilliseconds (properly
> spelled) IE in our IE registry, which caused a runtime error. Other
> implementors and users of IPFIX may also run into the same problem in
> the future, hence this suggestion.)
> 	
> 	Also, there are references to flowStartDeltaUseconds and
> flowEndDeltaUseconds in PROTO 19; these should be changed to
> "DeltaMicroseconds".
> 	
>
>
> Good catch!
> As there were no positive reaction from this community to change  
> the "S"
> of seconds to lower case, I changed [IPFIX-PROTO] to
> flowStartDeltaMicroSeconds and flowEndDeltaMicroSeconds... to be
> consistent with [IPFIX-INFO].
>
> Regards, Benoit.
>
>
>
> 	Regards,
> 	
> 	Brian
> 	
>
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Tanja,

> just a small issue:
> since it was decided for IPFIX to write MilliSeconds etc. with small s
> instead of capital S, this should also be changed in the next version of
> PSAMP-INFO.

I believe I still have the PSAMP-INFO edit token, so I made this change.

I also changed references to the datatype "dateTimeMicroSeconds" into 
"dateTimeMicroseconds". However, I left "dateTimeSeconds" unchanged.

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Brian,
> There are also references to the time data types and information 
> element names in PSAMP-PROTO; these should be changed as well.
Good point.
In order to avoid any mistake, I will wait for the next version of 
[IPFIX-INFO] to be out before applying any change.

Regards, Benoit.
>
> Regards,
>
> Brian
>
> On May 5, 2006, at 10:48 AM, Tanja Zseby wrote:
>
>> Hi Thomas,
>>
>> just a small issue:
>> since it was decided for IPFIX to write MilliSeconds etc. with small s
>> instead of capital S, this should also be changed in the next version of
>> PSAMP-INFO.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tanja
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: majordomo listserver [mailto:majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu] On
>> Behalf Of Benoit Claise
>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 11:38 AM
>> To: Brian Trammell
>> Cc: ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu
>> Subject: Re: [ipfix] spelling/editorial change to time data types
>>
>> Brian,
>>
>>     All,
>>     
>>     May be a bit late for this, and may also be a bit pedantic, but
>> I'd like to advocate correcting the spelling of the data type names:
>>     
>>            3.1.11. dateTimeMilliSeconds  . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>> . .  12
>>            3.1.12. dateTimeMicroSeconds  . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>> . .  12
>>            3.1.13. dateTimeNanoSeconds . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>> . .  12
>>     
>>     and their associated information elements:
>>     
>>            5.8.3.  flowStartMilliSeconds . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>> . .  58
>>            5.8.4.  flowEndMilliSeconds . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>> . .  58
>>            5.8.5.  flowStartMicroSeconds . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>> . .  58
>>            5.8.6.  flowEndMicroSeconds . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>> . .  58
>>            5.8.7.  flowStartNanoSeconds  . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>> . .  58
>>            5.8.8.  flowEndNanoSeconds  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>> . .  59
>>            5.8.9.  flowStartDeltaMicroSeconds  . . . . . . . . . . .
>> . .  59
>>            5.8.10. flowEndDeltaMicroSeconds  . . . . . . . . . . . .
>> . .  59
>>            5.8.11. systemInitTimeMilliSeconds  . . . . . . . . . . .
>> . .  59
>>            5.10.4. flowDurationMilliSeconds  . . . . . . . . . . . .
>> . .  67
>>            5.10.5. flowDurationMicroSeconds  . . . . . . . . . . . .
>> . .  68
>>     
>>     in IPFIX-INFO 11 and normative references thereto in IPFIX-PROTO
>> 17:
>>     
>>          6.1.7
>> dateTimeMilliSeconds.....................................30
>>          6.1.8
>> dateTimeNanoSeconds......................................30
>>          6.1.9
>> dateTimeMicroSeconds.....................................30
>>     
>>     Addition of an SI prefix does not cause a word break, as implied
>> by the interCap spelling of these identifiers. Suggested correction is
>> to make the "s" in seconds lower-case. This change would of course not
>> apply to dateTimeSeconds, as there _is_ a word break before "Seconds" in
>> that case.
>>     
>>     (Incidentially, I discovered this problem while testing our
>> implementation, attempting to find the flowStartMilliseconds (properly
>> spelled) IE in our IE registry, which caused a runtime error. Other
>> implementors and users of IPFIX may also run into the same problem in
>> the future, hence this suggestion.)
>>     
>>     Also, there are references to flowStartDeltaUseconds and
>> flowEndDeltaUseconds in PROTO 19; these should be changed to
>> "DeltaMicroseconds".
>>     
>>
>>
>> Good catch!
>> As there were no positive reaction from this community to change the "S"
>> of seconds to lower case, I changed [IPFIX-PROTO] to
>> flowStartDeltaMicroSeconds and flowEndDeltaMicroSeconds... to be
>> consistent with [IPFIX-INFO].
>>
>> Regards, Benoit.
>>
>>
>>
>>     Regards,
>>     
>>     Brian
>>     
>>
>>
>>
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Brian,
<blockquote cite="midE8BBDC90-3674-4F98-B8DD-1BFF5D6E12B0@cert.org"
 type="cite">There are also references to the time data types and
information element names in PSAMP-PROTO; these should be changed as
well.
  <br>
</blockquote>
Good point.<br>
In order to avoid any mistake, I will wait for the next version of
[IPFIX-INFO] to be out before applying any change.<br>
<br>
Regards, Benoit.<br>
<blockquote cite="midE8BBDC90-3674-4F98-B8DD-1BFF5D6E12B0@cert.org"
 type="cite"><br>
Regards,
  <br>
  <br>
Brian
  <br>
  <br>
On May 5, 2006, at 10:48 AM, Tanja Zseby wrote:
  <br>
  <br>
  <blockquote type="cite">Hi Thomas,
    <br>
    <br>
just a small issue:
    <br>
since it was decided for IPFIX to write MilliSeconds etc. with small s
    <br>
instead of capital S, this should also be changed in the next version
of
    <br>
PSAMP-INFO.
    <br>
    <br>
Regards,
    <br>
Tanja
    <br>
    <br>
-----Original Message-----
    <br>
From: majordomo listserver [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu">mailto:majordomo@mil.doit.wisc.edu</a>] On
    <br>
Behalf Of Benoit Claise
    <br>
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 11:38 AM
    <br>
To: Brian Trammell
    <br>
Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu">ipfix@net.doit.wisc.edu</a>
    <br>
Subject: Re: [ipfix] spelling/editorial change to time data types
    <br>
    <br>
Brian,
    <br>
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;All,
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;May be a bit late for this, and may also be a bit pedantic, but
    <br>
I'd like to advocate correcting the spelling of the data type names:
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3.1.11. dateTimeMilliSeconds&nbsp; . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
    <br>
. .&nbsp; 12
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3.1.12. dateTimeMicroSeconds&nbsp; . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
    <br>
. .&nbsp; 12
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3.1.13. dateTimeNanoSeconds . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
    <br>
. .&nbsp; 12
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;and their associated information elements:
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 5.8.3.&nbsp; flowStartMilliSeconds . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
    <br>
. .&nbsp; 58
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 5.8.4.&nbsp; flowEndMilliSeconds . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
    <br>
. .&nbsp; 58
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 5.8.5.&nbsp; flowStartMicroSeconds . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
    <br>
. .&nbsp; 58
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 5.8.6.&nbsp; flowEndMicroSeconds . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
    <br>
. .&nbsp; 58
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 5.8.7.&nbsp; flowStartNanoSeconds&nbsp; . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
    <br>
. .&nbsp; 58
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 5.8.8.&nbsp; flowEndNanoSeconds&nbsp; . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
    <br>
. .&nbsp; 59
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 5.8.9.&nbsp; flowStartDeltaMicroSeconds&nbsp; . . . . . . . . . . .
    <br>
. .&nbsp; 59
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 5.8.10. flowEndDeltaMicroSeconds&nbsp; . . . . . . . . . . . .
    <br>
. .&nbsp; 59
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 5.8.11. systemInitTimeMilliSeconds&nbsp; . . . . . . . . . . .
    <br>
. .&nbsp; 59
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 5.10.4. flowDurationMilliSeconds&nbsp; . . . . . . . . . . . .
    <br>
. .&nbsp; 67
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 5.10.5. flowDurationMicroSeconds&nbsp; . . . . . . . . . . . .
    <br>
. .&nbsp; 68
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;in IPFIX-INFO 11 and normative references thereto in IPFIX-PROTO
    <br>
17:
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 6.1.7
    <br>
dateTimeMilliSeconds.....................................30
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 6.1.8
    <br>
dateTimeNanoSeconds......................................30
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 6.1.9
    <br>
dateTimeMicroSeconds.....................................30
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Addition of an SI prefix does not cause a word break, as implied
    <br>
by the interCap spelling of these identifiers. Suggested correction is
    <br>
to make the "s" in seconds lower-case. This change would of course not
    <br>
apply to dateTimeSeconds, as there _is_ a word break before "Seconds"
in
    <br>
that case.
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(Incidentially, I discovered this problem while testing our
    <br>
implementation, attempting to find the flowStartMilliseconds (properly
    <br>
spelled) IE in our IE registry, which caused a runtime error. Other
    <br>
implementors and users of IPFIX may also run into the same problem in
    <br>
the future, hence this suggestion.)
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Also, there are references to flowStartDeltaUseconds and
    <br>
flowEndDeltaUseconds in PROTO 19; these should be changed to
    <br>
"DeltaMicroseconds".
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
Good catch!
    <br>
As there were no positive reaction from this community to change the
"S"
    <br>
of seconds to lower case, I changed [IPFIX-PROTO] to
    <br>
flowStartDeltaMicroSeconds and flowEndDeltaMicroSeconds... to be
    <br>
consistent with [IPFIX-INFO].
    <br>
    <br>
Regards, Benoit.
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Regards,
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Brian
    <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
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Paul,
> Dear all,
>
> This text in IPFIX-ARCH:
>
>    * IPFIX Device
>
>       An IPFIX Device hosts at least one Observation Point, a Metering
>       Process and an Exporting Process.
>
> seems to say that there is one one MP and one EP, which is clearly
> wrong. eg, Figure 3 shows one IPFIX device with multiple OPs, multiple
> MPs and multiple EPs:
>
>    +------------------------+
>    |IPFIX Device(i)         |
>    |[Observation Point(s)]  |
>    |[Metering Process(es)]  |
>    |[Exporting Process(es)] |
>    +------------------------+
>
> The text should say
>
>       An IPFIX Device hosts at least one Observation Point, at least
>       one Metering Process and at least one Exporting Process.
I agree. I modified [IPFIX-PROTO].
Some PSAMP drafts should be modified as well, if I recall correctly

Regards, Benoit.

>
>
> Figure 4 doesn't make clear whether there may be multiple exporters
> associated with each MP. I believe that should be possible to provide
> redundancy, for export over different transports, to convey the MP
> output to multiple collectors, or even to impliment different export
> protocols.
>
> Without being spelt out in the text, the way it's drawn does seem to
> constrain each MP to just one EP. I don't see any architectural reason
> for that.
>
> Cheers.


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