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This draft is a work item of the Packet Sampling Working Group of the IETF. Title : Information Model for Packet Sampling Exports Author(s) : T. Dietz, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-psamp-info-07.txt Pages : 48 Date : 2007-10-12 This memo defines an information model for the Packet Sampling (PSAMP) protocol. It is used by the PSAMP protocol for encoding sampled packet data and information related to the sampling process. As the PSAMP protocol is based on the IPFIX protocol, this information model is an extension to the IPFIX information model.Conventions used in this document The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119 [RFC2119]. 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Filename: draft-ietf-psamp-info Revision: 07 Title: Information Model for Packet Sampling Exports Creation_date: 2007-10-12 WG ID: psamp Number_of_pages: 48 Abstract: This memo defines an information model for the Packet Sampling (PSAMP) protocol. It is used by the PSAMP protocol for encoding sampled packet data and information related to the sampling process. As the PSAMP protocol is based on the IPFIX protocol, this information model is an extension to the IPFIX information model.Conventions used in this document The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119 [RFC2119]. The IETF Secretariat. _______________________________________________ PSAMP mailing list PSAMP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/psamp From psamp-bounces@ietf.org Fri Oct 12 06:56:42 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgIBg-0000Ob-0S; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:56:12 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgIBe-0000J8-Cy for psamp@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:56:10 -0400 Received: from kyoto.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.21]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IgIBd-0007zR-NI for psamp@ietf.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:56:10 -0400 Received: from [10.1.1.104] (mito.netlab.nec.de [195.37.70.39]) by kyoto.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 808B113CF81 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:56:08 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:56:05 +0200 From: Juergen Quittek To: psamp@ietf.org Message-ID: <17649B3411A298A0393020E1@n-quittek2.office> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.5 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 10ba05e7e8a9aa6adb025f426bef3a30 Subject: [PSAMP] WG Last call for draft-ietf-psamp-info-07 X-BeenThere: psamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "This mailing list is used for discussion within the IETF packet sampling \(PSAMP\) WG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: psamp-bounces@ietf.org Dear all, A new revision of the PSAMP information model has been posted today. Already the previous version was pretty stable. For the new version the authors have applied only minor fixes. Now it's time for working group last call on this document. Please read the draft and send us your comments to this list. Please also send a message if you have read the draft and are fine with it. WG last call starts today and will end on Friday, October 26. Thanks, Juergen --On 12.10.07 05:00 -0400 Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Packet Sampling Working Group of the IETF. > > > Title : Information Model for Packet Sampling Exports > Author(s) : T. Dietz, et al. > Filename : draft-ietf-psamp-info-07.txt > Pages : 48 > Date : 2007-10-12 > > This memo defines an information model for the Packet Sampling > (PSAMP) protocol. It is used by the PSAMP protocol for encoding > sampled packet data and information related to the sampling process. > As the PSAMP protocol is based on the IPFIX protocol, this > information model is an extension to the IPFIX information > model.Conventions used in this document > > The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", > "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this > document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119 [RFC2119]. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-psamp-info-07.txt > > To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to > i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of > the message. > You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce > to change your subscription settings. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the > username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After > logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then > "get draft-ietf-psamp-info-07.txt". > > A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in > http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. > > Send a message to: > mailserv@ietf.org. > In the body type: > "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-psamp-info-07.txt". > > NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in > MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this > feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" > command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or > a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers > exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with > "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split > up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on > how to manipulate these messages. > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > Internet-Draft. -- Juergen Quittek quittek@netlab.nec.de Tel: +49 6221 4342-115 NEC Europe Limited, Network Laboratories Fax: +49 6221 4342-155 Kurfuersten-Anlage 36, 69115 Heidelberg, Germany http://www.netlab.nec.de Registered Office: NEC House, 1 Victoria Road, London W3 6BL, UK Registered in England 2832014 _______________________________________________ PSAMP mailing list PSAMP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/psamp From psamp-bounces@ietf.org Mon Oct 22 05:43:02 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ijtmf-00087o-Tg; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 05:41:17 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ijtmd-00084Z-G4 for psamp@ietf.org; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 05:41:15 -0400 Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([195.37.70.40]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ijtmc-0003nk-Nr for psamp@ietf.org; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 05:41:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C1FA280006A8 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:41:14 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (atlas1.office) Received: from smtp0.netlab.nec.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas1.office [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id chF2gn0gEt5n for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:41:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mx1.office (mx1.office [10.1.1.23]) by smtp0.netlab.nec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 315D6280006A4 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:41:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 61.213.6.150 ([61.213.6.150]) by mx1.office ([10.1.1.23]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:41:09 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:14:44 +0900 Subject: Re: [PSAMP] WG Last call for draft-ietf-psamp-info-07 From: Juergen Quittek To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [PSAMP] WG Last call for draft-ietf-psamp-info-07 Thread-Index: AcgUg5ot2HCGGoB2Edy6CAAWy4a5Gw== In-Reply-To: <17649B3411A298A0393020E1@n-quittek2.office> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 2.6 (++) X-Scan-Signature: e1b0e72ff1bbd457ceef31828f216a86 X-BeenThere: psamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "This mailing list is used for discussion within the IETF packet sampling \(PSAMP\) WG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: psamp-bounces@ietf.org Dear all, The WGLC on this document lasts until the end of this week. However, I will not close the call without knowing of at least three solid reviews from non-authors. Please have a look at it and tell us what you think. Thanks, Juergen On 12.10.2007 12:56 Uhr "Juergen Quittek" wrote: > Dear all, > > A new revision of the PSAMP information model has been posted today. > Already the previous version was pretty stable. For the new version > the authors have applied only minor fixes. > > Now it's time for working group last call on this document. > > Please read the draft and send us your comments to this list. > Please also send a message if you have read the draft and are fine > with it. > > WG last call starts today and will end on Friday, October 26. > > Thanks, > > Juergen > > > --On 12.10.07 05:00 -0400 Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: > >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >> directories. >> This draft is a work item of the Packet Sampling Working Group of the IETF. >> >> >> Title : Information Model for Packet Sampling Exports >> Author(s) : T. Dietz, et al. >> Filename : draft-ietf-psamp-info-07.txt >> Pages : 48 >> Date : 2007-10-12 >> >> This memo defines an information model for the Packet Sampling >> (PSAMP) protocol. It is used by the PSAMP protocol for encoding >> sampled packet data and information related to the sampling process. >> As the PSAMP protocol is based on the IPFIX protocol, this >> information model is an extension to the IPFIX information >> model.Conventions used in this document >> >> The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", >> "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this >> document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119 [RFC2119]. >> >> A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-psamp-info-07.txt >> >> To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to >> i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of >> the message. >> You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce >> to change your subscription settings. >> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the >> username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After >> logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then >> "get draft-ietf-psamp-info-07.txt". >> >> A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in >> http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html >> or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt >> >> Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. >> >> Send a message to: >> mailserv@ietf.org. >> In the body type: >> "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-psamp-info-07.txt". >> >> NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in >> MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this >> feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" >> command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or >> a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers >> exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with >> "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split >> up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on >> how to manipulate these messages. >> >> Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader >> implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the >> Internet-Draft. > > _______________________________________________ PSAMP mailing list PSAMP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/psamp From psamp-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 24 05:34:46 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ikcbi-0004CX-GE; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 05:32:58 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ikcbg-0003zb-R9; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 05:32:56 -0400 Received: from mx06.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.3.3]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ikcbc-00071p-09; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 05:32:52 -0400 Received: from [134.2.172.138] (u-172-c138.cs.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.172.138]) by mx06.uni-tuebingen.de (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l9O9Wjb6010908; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:32:50 +0200 Message-ID: <471F110A.10609@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:31:54 +0200 From: Gerhard Muenz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juergen Quittek Subject: Re: [PSAMP] WG Last call for draft-ietf-psamp-info-07 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.2-11; AVE: 7.6.0.27; VDF: 7.0.0.127; host: mx06) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a7d2e37451f7f22841e3b6f40c67db0f Cc: psamp@ietf.org, "ipfix@ietf.org" X-BeenThere: psamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "This mailing list is used for discussion within the IETF packet sampling \(PSAMP\) WG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: psamp-bounces@ietf.org Dear all, I reviewed the PSAMP information model draft. I'll start with some small remarks before asking if anybody else shares my interest in an additional *Section IE (see below). ------- IPFIX information model does not have a terminology section, but the PSAMP information does. How comes this difference? On the other hand, you do not repeat the IE properties and the type space from the IPFIX documents. ------- In sections 1 and 5, you find occurrences of "information element(s)" => Information Element(s) ------- You find both writing: "IPFIX Information Model" and "IPFIX information model" but only "PSAMP information model" Try to be more consistent? ------- Section 3: IPFIX export protocol => IPFIX protocol ------- Section 3.2: small remark: Selection Process is the only process name in PSAMP/IPFIX that does not use the -ing form (ExportING Process etc.). Intended? ------- This concerns all "*Section" IEs: "If insufficient octets are available for the length specified in the Template, the Information Element MUST NOT be padded." What is the consequence? The Template cannot be used. Maybe make a clearer statement here? ------- section 9: "Specifically, the Information Elements pertaining to packet sections MUST target no more than the packet header, some subsequent bytes of the packet, and encapsulating headers if present. Full packet capture of arbitrary packet streams is explicitly out of scope, per [RFC2804]." What does "out of scope" mean? The PSAMP information model enables full packet capture and export, although it may not be the intended usage. Maybe formulation is based on a political decision. But if you compare it to Cisco's presentation of Flexible NetFlow, you find the following sentence: "Flexible NetFlow adds capabilities such as packet section export for deep packet inspection of security incidents." http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps6601/products_data_sheet0900aecd804b590b.html Similarly, I assume that in practice, PSAMP will be used for deep packet inspection as well. ------- Now comes my question about an additional IE for the export of transport layer payload section, which would complement the current set of *Section IEs. A technical argument against a transportPayloadSection IE is the PSAMP device might not be able to decode any transport protocol. Yet, in practice, only three transport protocols are used: TCP, UDP, SCTP. And IPFIX/PSAMP devices are able to decode these transport protocols anyway in order to extract transport header fields. So, the usage of the IE could be restricted to these transport protocols. I raised this question already in February 2006 on the mailing list: http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/psamp/current/msg00221.html At that time, nobody else seemed to be interested in this additional IE. Maybe the situation has changed in the meantime. Best regards, Gerhard Juergen Quittek wrote: > Dear all, > > The WGLC on this document lasts until the end of this week. > > However, I will not close the call without knowing of at least > three solid reviews from non-authors. > > Please have a look at it and tell us what you think. > > Thanks, > > Juergen > > > On 12.10.2007 12:56 Uhr "Juergen Quittek" wrote: > _______________________________________________ PSAMP mailing list PSAMP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/psamp From psamp-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 24 10:55:52 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IkhdW-0007GR-3J; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:55:10 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IkhdT-0007Ek-Qn; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:55:07 -0400 Received: from nj300815-nj-outbound.net.avaya.com ([198.152.12.100] helo=nj300815-nj-outbound.avaya.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IkhdS-0007IH-4B; Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:55:07 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,325,1188792000"; d="scan'208";a="73107235" Received: from 14.140.8.135.in-addr.arpa (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.14]) by nj300815-nj-outbound.avaya.com with ESMTP; 24 Oct 2007 10:55:06 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:55:02 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Last Call: draft-ietf-psamp-framework (A Framework for Packet Selection and Reporting) to Informational RFC Thread-Index: AcgUto1PilTlpT/tTc6GLaZx7bz8wgA3Ev9Q References: From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7da5a831c477fb6ef97f379a05fb683c Cc: psamp@ietf.org Subject: [PSAMP] RE: Last Call: draft-ietf-psamp-framework (A Framework for Packet Selection and Reporting) to Informational RFC X-BeenThere: psamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "This mailing list is used for discussion within the IETF packet sampling \(PSAMP\) WG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: psamp-bounces@ietf.org Here are my Technical and Editorial comments:=20 T1: page 19, Section 6.1 - =20 The Metering Process must support inclusion of the following in=20 each Packet Report, as a configurable option:=20 =20 (iii) a basic report on the packet, i.e., some number of=20 contiguous bytes from the start of the packet, including the=20 packet header (which includes link layer, network layer and=20 other encapsulation headers) and some subsequent bytes of=20 the packet payload.=20 In most cases I do not know how an IP-layer networking device like a router can access the link layer header.=20 T2: page 19, Section 6.2 - The value of the DSCP field is worth being added to (iv) T3: page 24, Section 9 - The manageability considerations should include not only information about how to configure the Metering Process, but also how to configure reporting and how to monitor the status of the observation points and of the collectors. Also, are there any alarms situations (congested collectors for example?) T4: Section 11.3 - for psamp-based Passive Performance Measurement to play a role in verification of SLAs, one needs to have the basic metering process parameters be included in the definition of the SLA and how SLA metrics are defined and measured T5: Section 12 Security Considerations - this section seems to me incomplete. For example RFC 3917 describes in its corresponding Security Considerations section the need to deal with the DoS and forgery threats. Similar information should be included here at least by reference - e.g. the need of authenticating collectors, protect against mis-configuration of the metering and reporting processes, etc.=20 E1: The two paragraphs before the Table of Contents should be deleted E2: The text after the Table of Comments until the start of Section 1 duplicates text on page 1 and should be deleted.=20 E3: Section 3.2 - 'Examples include: a line to which a probe is attached, a shared medium, such as an Ethernet-based LAN, a single port of a router, or a set of interfaces (physical or logical) of a router.' - what is a 'port of a router' - is it not equivalent with a physical interface? If so I suggest to make the terminology consistent E4: Section 3.9 - why does the 'most generic' Metering Process include a primitive selector. It seems to me that what is meant here is not the 'most generic' but the most simple or basic Metering Process.=20 E5: Section 4.2 - what means 'cognizant of privacy and anonymity issues'?=20 E6: Section 5.2 - I do not like the definition of systematic count based sampling. It would be better if it was stand-alone and not defined by similarity with systematic time based sampling. In any case, if it based on the later, the definition of systematic time based sampling should come first. Then there is a typo that makes the phrase even harder to understand s/expect / except.=20 E7: the list of filters for the Selection Process in Section 5.2, page 15: What do (iv) and (v) mean? Are these packets that failed Ingress filtering as per RFC2827 (iv) and packets that were detected as out of spec for (v)? Making this clear would help.=20 E8: page 18, Section 5.4 - 'The Attained Selection Fraction can be used to estimate the number bytes present in a portion of the Observed Packet Stream. Let b1, b2,..., bn be the bytes reported in each of the packets that reached the Collector ...' s/number bytes/number of bytes/ and s/be the bytes/be the number of bytes/ E9: page 24, Section 9 - s/writeable MIB module/MIB module with writeable objects/ E10: Section 10 - The first paragraph is duplicated E11: Section 10.2 - The first phrase in the section could be dropped E12: Section 10.2 - Expand ASIC Thanks and Regards, Dan =20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: The IESG [mailto:iesg-secretary@ietf.org]=20 > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 4:06 PM > To: IETF-Announce > Cc: psamp@ietf.org > Subject: Last Call: draft-ietf-psamp-framework (A Framework=20 > for Packet Selection and Reporting) to Informational RFC=20 >=20 > The IESG has received a request from the Packet Sampling WG=20 > (psamp) to consider the following document: >=20 > - 'A Framework for Packet Selection and Reporting ' > as an Informational RFC >=20 > The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and=20 > solicits final comments on this action. Please send=20 > substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by=20 > 2007-11-05. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to=20 > iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the=20 > beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. >=20 > The file can be obtained via > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-psamp-framework-12.txt >=20 >=20 > IESG discussion can be tracked via > https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/pidtracker.cgi?command=3Dvie > w_id&dTag=3D9292&rfc_flag=3D0 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > IETF-Announce mailing list > IETF-Announce@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce >=20 _______________________________________________ PSAMP mailing list PSAMP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/psamp From psamp-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 31 17:30:33 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1InL8j-0007Fx-5O; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:30:17 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ijxuz-0007AZ-Va; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 10:06:10 -0400 Received: from ns3.neustar.com ([156.154.24.138]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ijxuz-00034E-ON; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 10:06:09 -0400 Received: from stiedprstage1.ietf.org (stiedprstage1.va.neustar.com [10.31.47.10]) by ns3.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AB23175F0; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:05:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ietf by stiedprstage1.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IjxuP-00009T-VJ; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 10:05:33 -0400 X-test-idtracker: no To: IETF-Announce From: The IESG Message-Id: Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 10:05:33 -0400 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:30:14 -0400 Cc: psamp@ietf.org Subject: [PSAMP] Last Call: draft-ietf-psamp-framework (A Framework for Packet Selection and Reporting) to Informational RFC X-BeenThere: psamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: "This mailing list is used for discussion within the IETF packet sampling \(PSAMP\) WG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: psamp-bounces@ietf.org The IESG has received a request from the Packet Sampling WG (psamp) to consider the following document: - 'A Framework for Packet Selection and Reporting ' as an Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. 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The Transport Area directors asked to extend the deadline of this call, becasue they are vary busy right now and still want to perform a thorough review. So, all document editors, please do not revise your docuement until we have got feedback from the transport area review. Thanks, Juergen _______________________________________________ PSAMP mailing list PSAMP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/psamp om 217.235.175.165 ([217.235.175.165]) by mx1.office ([10.1.1.23]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:26:01 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.6.070618 Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:29:27 +0100 From: Juergen Quittek To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: extended IETF last call for first three PSAMP docs Thread-Index: AcgbynDOr1UAWoe9Edy8OgAWy4a5Gw== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 4.5 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 Subject: [PSAMP] extended IETF last call for first three PSAMP docs X-BeenThere: psamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "This mailing list is used for discussion within the IETF packet sampling \(PSAMP\) WG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: psamp-bounces@ietf.org Dear all, The first three of our doucments are under IETF last call. The Transport Area directors asked to extend the deadline of this call, becasue they are vary busy right now and still want to perform a thorough review. So, all document editors, please do not revise your docuement until we have got feedback from the transport area review. Thanks, Juergen _______________________________________________ PSAMP mailing list PSAMP@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/psamp From psamp-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 31 17:30:38 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1InL8j-0007GS-Db; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:30:17 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IjyYe-000634-Rx; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 10:47:08 -0400 Received: from ns4.neustar.com ([156.154.24.139]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IjyYe-0004ng-Jx; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 10:47:08 -0400 Received: from stiedprstage1.ietf.org (stiedprstage1.va.neustar.com [10.31.47.10]) by ns4.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B83F2AC7C; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:47:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ietf by stiedprstage1.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IjyYe-0000ma-Ah; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 10:47:08 -0400 X-test-idtracker: no To: IETF-Announce From: The IESG Message-Id: Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 10:47:08 -0400 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:30:14 -0400 Cc: psamp@ietf.org Subject: [PSAMP] Last Call: draft-ietf-psamp-sample-tech (Sampling and Filtering Techniques for IP Packet Selection) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: psamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: "This mailing list is used for discussion within the IETF packet sampling \(PSAMP\) WG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: psamp-bounces@ietf.org The IESG has received a request from the Packet Sampling WG (psamp) to consider the following document: - 'Sampling and Filtering Techniques for IP Packet Selection ' as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. 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