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To take in account the last IPPM meeting output, I will remove the = passive metrics stuffs from = http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ippm-multimetrics-04. These = performance metrics are performed on real applications traffic = transported by IETF-specified protocols. Are they an emanation of PSAMP = WG or of the (IETF-specified) protocol actually observed? Regards Emile > -----Message d'origine----- > De=A0: Al Morton [mailto:acmorton@att.com] > Envoy=E9=A0: vendredi 21 septembre 2007 15:24 > =C0=A0: pmol@ietf.org > Objet=A0: [PMOL] Draft Charter for discussion >=20 > Here's the initial draft of the charter. > Comments welcome, of course. >=20 > Al >=20 > Proposed Charter (0.0) >=20 > Performance Metrics at Other Layers WG (PMOL) >=20 > There are often uncertainties about the performance and > suitability of new technologies and applications for their intended > audience, and the Internet is no exception. Most uncertainties are > effectively addressed through quantified assessment of key performance > indicators. Standardized performance metrics add the desirable = features > of consistent implementation, interpretation, and comparison. >=20 > Although the IETF has two Working Groups dedicated to the development > of performance metrics, they each have strict limitations in their > charters: >=20 > - The Benchmarking Methodology WG has addressed a range of = networking > technologies and protocols in their long history (such as IEEE 802.3, > ATM, Frame Relay, and Routing Protocols), but the charter strictly > limits their performance characterizations to the laboratory = environment. >=20 > - The IP Performance Metrics WG has the mandate to develop metrics > applicable to live IP networks, but it is specifically prohibited from > developing metrics that characterize traffic (such as a VoIP stream). >=20 > The IETF also has current and completed activities related to the > reporting of application performance metrics (e.g. RAQMON) and is > also actively involved in the development of reliable transport > protocols which would affect the relationship between IP performance > and application performance. >=20 > Thus there is a gap in the currently chartered coverage of IETF WGs: > development of performance metrics for IP-based applications that > operate over UDP, TCP, SCTP, DCCP, Forward Error Correction (FEC) > and other robust transport protocols, and that can be used to > characterize traffic on live networks. >=20 > The working group will focus on the completion of two RFCs: >=20 > 1. A PMOL framework and guidelines memo that includes the motivation > of work to define performance metrics for applications transported > on IETF-specified protocols, and how that work fills a need and a = gap > in IETF-chartered work. The framework will describe the necessary > elements of performance metric drafts and the various types of = metrics > that may be prepared in this work. The framework will also address = the > need to specify the intended audience and the motivation for the > performance metrics. There will also be guidelines for a = performance > metric development process that includes entry criteria for > new proposals (how a proposal might be evaluated for possible > endorsement by a protocol development working group), and how a > successful proposal will be developed by PMOL WG in cooperation = with a > protocol development WG. >=20 > 2. A proof-of-concept RFC defining performance metrics for SIP, based = on > draft-malas-performance-metrics. 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